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Hans Zimmer Is Handling The Musical Stylings Of MAN OF STEEL!!
The Kidd here...
In a rather unsurprising move, Hans Zimmer has officially been called upon to score next summer's reboot of the Superman franchise, MAN OF STEEL.
Variety broke the story that Zimmer, who's worked on all three of Nolan's Batman films and INCEPTION, has gotten the nod over longtime Zack Snyder collaborator Tyler Bates. This would mark the first Snyder film Bates hasn't been a part of, as he'd previously scored DAWN OF THE DEAD, 300, WATCHMEN and SUCKER PUNCH.
I don't expect to hear any fraction of John Williams' original SUPERMAN score, and, yet while Williams' theme is quite iconic, Warner Bros. really needs a fresh take on the material if they're going to make this work. That's not going to happen by bringing back the Williams' theme or recycling ideas from the beloved Donner films. A lot of us didn't know how Zimmer would be able to move us past Danny Elfman's BATMAN score, but somehow he managed. Perhaps he's got something similar up his sleeve for MAN OF STEEL.
-Billy Donnelly
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(tuba fart)
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ASS! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!
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June 18, 2012, 8:57 p.m. CST
Elfman's Batman score isn't as iconic as Williams Superman score
by GeorgieBoy
Sucky suit, sucky music... I fear for this movie. Was watching Superman II the other night. The music, suit, and Reeve charisma will *NEVER* be bettered. Never.
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...wouldn't have made the film any better, but I'd enjoy listening to the music more.
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Casting Brian Cox as Superman was an inspired choice. He's gonna fill out those tights well.
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...Looking more forward to MoS than I was 10 minutes ago.
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Seriously. What's the appeal? One of the greatest parts of The Dark Knight is when the Joker shows up in the tractor trailer and the score disappears. I don't understand the love of Zimmer's Batman work. Nothing memorable for me.
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...and his white supremacist view of the world.
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This guy couldn't write a decent theme if his life depended on it. He's awful. Doesn't matter anyway, I don't think the movie is going to be good. Unless Shannon does a Ledger, and hits Zod out of the park.
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http://news-briefs.ew.com/2012/06/18/susan-tyrrell-dies/
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Two hours of keyboard farts and scratchy violin bullshit. I hope they bring it on home with a big Celine Dion number for the closing credits. Or maybe a nice "Superman Rap" by Tag Team.
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June 18, 2012, 9:04 p.m. CST
I don't understand the love for the 70's/80's Superman. After the first half of S1, it turns to poor camp. Season 1 of the 50's TV show is the best version thus far.
by planetran_fan
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David Goyer, a hack who has badmouthed Superman on several occasions, is the writer. Snyder, who doesn't have a clue about subtlety or authentic emotion, is the director. And Hans Zimmer, who doesn't write charming, uplifting scores, is the composer. Superman should be big, bright, inspiring, and larger than life, not Nolan's Dark Knight with the ability of flight. But I'm sure the fanboys who don't have a clue what Superman is about will eat this misguided crap up.
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June 18, 2012, 9:07 p.m. CST
The World's Greatest Superhero deserves the best and nothing is better than John Williams' masterful score.
by The Krypton Kid
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It is entirely lacking in any sort of memorable theme unlike Elfman's all. Of course, when you're up against Williams, you're pretty much fucked anyway.
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June 18, 2012, 9:08 p.m. CST
Can't imagine anyone topping Williams' score but
by richardHarrisonsSteamedCrabs
I agree they need a fresh take to help the movie stand on its own. I'm conflicted as the original score is so iconic, but then so is Reeve. I guess they should just go for it. Pity it is another origin story though. Should be fun and adventurous though, fuck all this angst shit. It's okay for Batman but Spiderman and Superman should have a lighter touch shouldn't they?
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So we can only hope that a movie like Man of Steel, which better deliver on the action and adventure, will have him flex a whole different set of musical muscles. Sounds like a good idea. Man of Steel need to knock the crap out of us REAL GOOD.
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Arkham city
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No theme....for ANY OTHER MOVIE.....will ever top it.
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ditto.
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Save that for any straight to dvd Smallville movies.
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They already nailed it so there's no need to change it. The style of Bond movies has changed over the years, especially with Craig's new gritty Bond, yet the theme is always there in some capacity. Just because you can change something, doesn't mean you should.
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June 18, 2012, 9:24 p.m. CST
If only there were a word we could use for "tense ness"
by jazzdownunder
I nominate "tension"... any objections ? No ? Ok, motion carried. As you were.
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June 18, 2012, 9:24 p.m. CST
Hans Zimmer's score will be the least of this movie's problems.
by hank henshaw
He is very versatile, but lately all his work sounds the same. So, we all kinda know how the score will sound. This movie has bigger problems going against it than the BWRRAAAAAMMMMMM BWWRAAAMMMM score it will have.
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Just a subtle little flow of the beginning of the theme, just at the right moment, slowly played. A reminder of all the great history Superman has. Daa, daa, duh, da, da...daaaa, daa, dum. And maybe a little of the rumbling crescendo that follows it. Great, great score. Superman, Jaws, Raiders, Star Wars...Young John Williams will never be topped. Any snot nosed ignorant hipster douche that feels the need to call him an overrated hack, as appears to be necessary when discussing any movie legend in these talkbacks, can directly go f**k themselves. Da, Da, Daaaaah.
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June 18, 2012, 9:29 p.m. CST
I'm more curious about whether if Snyder will be allowed, or not, to pick odd pop-music songs for montages and shit.
by hank henshaw
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Those movies are way overrated anyway.
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Will he be overseeing all the moves made for future films? If he did accept a contract like that what wonders do we have in store for a possible JL.
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"make it go kinda like, da-da-da-duuuuundt dundt-da-da-doowong...dundt-ba-da-doo-daaaah..."
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Has anyone seen my cousin ajit? He slept over last night but i have not seen him since. I am worried for him
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June 18, 2012, 9:42 p.m. CST
Thank god it's not that bland composer, Tyler Bates.
by Christian Sylvain
This movie might have a chance. Though Hans Zimmer aint exactly blowing my skirt up.
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So he can at least have a speaking role in a Superman movie. Maybe, he can just be on a corner and call for a taxi.
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Johnny Williams' theme has become as much a part of Superman's myth as his red cape, the aversion to Kryptonite, or his love of Lois Lane. In the original comics, Superman could not fly, (able to LEAP tall buildings in a single bound) but could you imagine a movie without him having that ability? That music is just as integral. I can't imagine him without it.
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June 18, 2012, 9:49 p.m. CST
but can zimmer make music that goes really really fast and then really r e a l l y s--l--o--w-- ?
by vulturess
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I got my son the Lego Batman game and have been hearing it all week. That was really a phenomenal score. I am not sure I appreciated it as much as I should have in 1989
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I'm sorry to say I am not interested anymore in thus movie, and I'm one of the biggest Superman fans there is.
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June 18, 2012, 9:58 p.m. CST
And still not one fucking plot detail...
by The_Guy_Who_Invented_Coca_Cola
...are they ashamed that their new movie is just another origin story or "Supes fights Lex Luthor and/or aliens"?
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-Namaste-
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To compare, Danny Elfman did awesome with Batman- Spiderman? Not so much. Not sure a composer has two great superhero scores in him.
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ugh! I push post too fast!
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Zimmer is slightly less of a hack
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June 18, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST
Hans Zimmer said the iconic John Williams theme IS THE Superman theme and could'nt be topped on the other hand....
by AL Green
If the movie is'nt up to par maybe you would'nt want his theme to be associated with it though III and IV has tryed.
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There is the Batman/Dark Knight Hans Zimmer, and there is also the Gladiator and The Pacific version of Hans Zimmer. Seriously, tell me Zimmer's score for Gladiator and the main title music he did for The Pacific aren't memorable themes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7O5LE9ZM0k&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P47yvI7SWM
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June 18, 2012, 10:31 p.m. CST
I'm optimistic about the movie but are'nt they racing to get it made mostly before some legal rights to it expire?
by AL Green
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June 18, 2012, 10:35 p.m. CST
I am neutral to negative upon hearing this news. Then again, I am a grown man without that much invested in a comic book character mostly designed for children.
by Greggers
I think I remember the composer for SUPERMAN RETURNS giving an interview where he condescendingly remarked that yeah, the Williams score for Superman was great and all -- *for its time* -- and he would pull bits and pieces from it as he made a modern soundtrack. A modern soundtrack? What the fuck is that? Percussion with hints of melody around the edges? Has cinematic musical design advance so much in the past 30 years that actual music that enhances and supports the emotional life of a scene is useless and outdated? Eh, but I have to keep reminding myself that this movie isn't really for me, but for kids like I was when I first saw the 1978 SUPERMAN. I have my Superman, and it was awesome, and I can watch it on blu-ray anytime I need to see it. So go ahead Hans Zimmer, make the music that this movie needs to have. I'll probably be off somewhere else watching MIDNIGHT IN PARIS or something.
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haha, thanks for that! tension...I like it. :) I also hope they stay away from the modern day music montage sequence...
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"No Superman theme, no flying, this isn't Superman"- supermans Where did that news come from?
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June 18, 2012, 10:44 p.m. CST
I say they shoulda went with James Newton Howard , Waterworld and The Postman are brilliant
by AL Green
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June 18, 2012, 10:47 p.m. CST
"WB really needs a fresh take on the material if they're going to make this work" - WRONG!!
by Banshee7
Chilli above nailed it. Williams Superman theme is iconic.So is Elfman's Batman. I don't understand why James Bond is the only franchise that's "allowed" to use it's iconic theme. Zimmer can and SHOULD use Williams theme.
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June 18, 2012, 10:47 p.m. CST
the first thing that comes to mind this could be a goldenthal to elfman type sound with the batman movies kinda samey but electronicy
by AL Green
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this is great news! do justice to the character and to the movie as a whole and we'll be set. that is of course providing that the movie is good. when the superman animated series came out in '96 i was surprised at how much i didn't miss william's theme, considering how much that music is ingrained in my psyche.. there was superman before william's theme, and there will be superman after.
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June 18, 2012, 10:50 p.m. CST
Williams is to Superman what Norman/Barry is to Bond
by You Have MY Voice
The Williams theme is as iconic as Superman. Superman is more iconic than James Bond. Why the fuck shouldn't the Williams theme be used? The Bond films use the same theme every time they reboot in every era they're rebooted. No one pitches a bitch and says they can't move past Pierce Brosnan because of the music. Of all the things that should be jettisoned, the theme shouldn't be. The Williams theme iconically encapsulates Superman better than anything Zimmer could come up with. And Zimmer has admitted it. It doesn't necessarily need to be the main theme, but to not use it at all is almost disrespectful.
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June 18, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST
We should be talking about the completion of Bryan Singers trilogy not a reboot
by AL Green
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June 18, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST
ya know I just read an article about talk of a twilight reboot and we have'nt finished this thing yet
by AL Green
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June 18, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST
and here's the score! "ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba bada ba ba ba...."
by cgih8r
" da da da da dadun dun dun dun dun dun dunnit fuda mun mun mun ey ey ey ey "
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June 18, 2012, 11:01 p.m. CST
"...BLAAAAAH!...........BLLLLAAAAAAHH!!!........BLLEEAAAAAHH!!!
by cgih8r
yup Zimmer's a genius
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We've had five movies that were very similar. I really look forward to something that isn't campy, or has an ugly Lois Lane, or a super baby, or fucking Lex Luthor... Chris Reeve is dead, Richard Donner is dead (to me) so it's time to move on. Forget the past and throw something really fantastic at us. If it doesn't work, we can tear them to pieces with our hands and teeth, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until I see it.
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June 18, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST
I bet there will be subtle references to Williams' score.
by Royston Lodge
Zimmer's score for Batman Begins has subtle references to Danny Elfman's 1989 score, so I don't see why he can't do something similar for Supes.
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June 18, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST
Having said that, I'm glad they're not rehashing Williams.
by DoctorWho?
Sign of the times...praising someone for NOT rehashing something for a change.
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June 18, 2012, 11:16 p.m. CST
Good Idea, Good cast, good composer this movie is going to be Good!
by AL Green
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June 18, 2012, 11:17 p.m. CST
Williams score was perfect but the new Superman has to have it's own identity.
by bohdi71
Superman Returns tried to replicate the old donner movies and look how badly that turned out. (altho it's story was stupid, who's going to buy property on a rock??)
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June 18, 2012, 11:18 p.m. CST
...and Thomas Newman should invent a new theme for James Bond!
by StarQrtrs
Oh fuck that, even I don't believe that bullshit. While I love Zimmer's score for Batman, this is a MASSIVE mistake. No Superman theme, then it's not superman.
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As iconic as the Williams theme is, and I love the Williams theme, this is a new Superman that needs a new theme. Lois & Clark had its own theme, Superman: The Animated Series had its own theme (for which Shirley Walker did a great job), and even Smallville had its own heroic theme by the last few seasons. So there's no reason to claim that EVERY Superman movie MUST use the Williams theme. Superman Returns appropriated used the Williams theme because that film was intended to tie in to the Reeve films. But a new movie with no ties to those films needs to have its own sound. I enjoyed Zimmer's take on Batman and I look forward to hearing his take on Superman. Hopefully, I won't be disappointed.
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I'm sorry, but how are there people who think Zimmer's Batman stuff is any good? I suppose it gets the job done without angering you, but equal to or better than Elfman? Are you people joking?
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...been my secret hope that ole Zimmer would be brought aboard for the score...anticipation just went through the roof!!! Chris Nolan, Producer, FT-muthafuckin'-W!
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June 18, 2012, 11:25 p.m. CST
The Joker 'theme' featurette on the special edition of Dark Knight...
by bluebalrog
...when you listen to how Zimmer approaches distinct thematic elements from a psychological perspective, in service to translating it musically, and to know how he pulled off a musical representation of the Joker's presence...Superman is going to soar to new musical heights!...and this is from someone who fucking loves John Williams' original score!
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June 18, 2012, 11:33 p.m. CST
Zimmer was quoted saying he wasn't gonna change the William's theme.
by Chris
He said he didn't feel comfortable changing "the 9th symphony" so I'm gonna assume he's keeping the theme.
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I know you remember the Wesley Snipes skydiving movie right? Great and often imitated score from Zimmer on this ok 90's flick.
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June 19, 2012, 12:10 a.m. CST
No matter what Zimmer does, it'll please some and piss off others
by wcolbert
C'est la vie... Such is working in the film industry. The guy could drop the most masterful and heroic sounding score ever put to a super hero film (doubtful, given the benchmark John Williams has set and the 35 years it has been part of the public consciousness)...and a good percentage of the talkbackers would act as if Zimmer himself kicked down their door and raped their dog, Grandmother, and goldfish in slow motion whilest the Inception soundtrack blared oppressingly, then took a steaming shit on the doorstep on the way out. I hope it's a little less drab than the last few scores. Needs to be epic, massive in scale, like a new age clash of the titans sort of feel. Something suitable to a larger than life battle with the world itself literally at stake. And yeah...what's missing from modern scores is the memorable themes - the ones you can immediately recognize, hum to someone, and they'll get it, too. Can't say that about the Batman theme, Inception, or really anything that's come out in a long time - that's also the problem plaguing the game industry of late - Nobuo Uematsu's Final Fantasy compositions of the 90's were massive achievements and many could easily have been used in films as well. Now...nothing is memorable.
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I just wish with all of the changes they would keep the "S" on the cape. Because now, Superman and Thor from the back look like they're wearing the same outfit.
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June 19, 2012, 12:52 a.m. CST
I could have sworn they already announced this months ago
by Triple_J_72
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June 19, 2012, 1:06 a.m. CST
"...would be able to move us past Danny Elfman's BATMAN score, but somehow he managed"
by TopHat
No he didn't. There is no theme for the Nolan films. Just the generic sounds we hear in every other mainstream blockbuster. This is yet another step into the "realistic" superhero movies Warner Bros. is forcing upon us. Honestly, what has to happen before movie bloggers will admit in posting that this studio obviously doesn't know how to make superhero films? (Nolan made the Batman films work, not Warner Bros.)
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Nice to see they're taking a few risks with the material and not just trying to relive the glory days i.e. Superman Returns.
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I saw that featurette and it's true he really did a great job creating that theme for Joker. But that was co-created with James Newton Howard, so maybe they should co-create for Man of Steel too... Probably wouldn't hurt.
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Followed by Gladiator. Followed by Pirates of the Carribbean. Followed by Inception.
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Can anyone remember one note from that movie? A good score is amazing and really helps ingrain the film in your mind, but you can get away with a forgettable one. And Zimmer's won't be forgettable. His Inception theme should have won the Oscar, but then, I love the Social Network's score too. made me realize how bullshit the Oscars is. Why cant two movies win if they're both amazing?
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June 19, 2012, 1:46 a.m. CST
As for Snyder...I don't think we'll get a Superman for the generations out of him
by wcolbert
BUT I think he'll deliver a watchable, if not good film. I look forward to seeing the result. He's simply never delivered a truly GREAT film - this is not a man who is ever going to make a Schindler's List or what have you - by that I mean nothing too profound or powerful. And he is a little too in love with time dialation. It gets to be annoying after the 50th time. 300 I enjoyed...but I wouldnt put it in my top 10 films ever list by any means. Simply did a good job at adapting a graphic novel (which I think is really his nich - adapting the flashy and grungy in comics - hopefully that will work well here). Sucker Punch was just a huge mess. I get what he was trying to do, and it was by no means the WORST film I've ever seen, but it's a classic example of a director trying to make a "deep" film the sum of it's superficial parts (hot girls and cgi explosions). Watchmen...just watched it, finally. I'd heard bad things - but honestly I don't see what the big deal was. It was what it was, and from someone who has never heard of the comics or read them, I personally enjoyed it - though I dont know if it's one of those I'd necessarily feel the need to watch multiple times. With Snyder you get this sense of a guy who's trying to make the film smarter than he has the capabilty of doing. It's OK if you are not a brilliant director who can bring depth and character along with the action. It's OK for some films to just be popcorn fluff. I predict a good film - but one that, like all of his films, feels like he was trying to stuff 9 hours worth of film into one and ended up cutting a lot of stuff out. Personally, I'd rather have seen Snyder take on the Godzilla film with Legendary. I'm even more unsure about the guy who's directing that, having only directed one low budget flick in his life.
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New score for the whole movie, but at the end, we hear a crystal clear trumpet, and it's the Krypton theme. Have a few epic shots of Superman flying heroically or whatever. it would be nice. Why? Because the Williams score is associated with the character itself, not just the 78 movie and sequels.
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I think you people are forgetting the man scored the Lion King...which is probably one of the best scores in film. In my opinion.
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Though I certainly believe that the fantastic John William's score should be left to the ages, and that something new should be done, I am by no means a fan of Zimmer's completely unmemorable "atmospheric" approach to film scoring. Still, I'm at a loss as to whom I'd give the job to.
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June 19, 2012, 2:47 a.m. CST
Coming next year : a bland, pointless retread of two movies that you've already seen (but now crushed into one for your convenience, with CGI effects) set to non descript, theme-less background music, which will really piss you off because the film featur
by Keith Maniac
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June 19, 2012, 3:07 a.m. CST
Who cares, this movie is going to be complete shit anyway.
by kwisatzhaderach
Zack Snyder is a graphics guy, not a film director. His films so far have been COMPLETELY empty of drama.
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A lot.
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June 19, 2012, 3:25 a.m. CST
I can remember/hum/whistle many a Williams theme/score..
by Sigourneys_Beaver
Not so Zimmer though. And yet he's done some BIG films. Maybe he's not as good as Williams. Just saying.
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June 19, 2012, 3:44 a.m. CST
WB will fold and go with the Williams theme in about 6 months.
by TheManWhoCan
Sure, people will be humming it going into the movie. they own the rights . whats the problem? Zimmer is meh. WB knows this, and the fanboys who think the decision to NOT use one of the most iconic scores in movie history form only a fraction of the audience , Williams is too mush safe a bet and WB arnt going to risk it .
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Check it out. It's balls to the walls awesome. What the movie should be. (Hopefully they go into the "is Supes relevant question")
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The original Superman theme *is* iconic. It was a masterpiece and ranks alongside any of Williams' movie themes, but ... Man Of Steel is NOT a Reeve movie. It's not a Donner movie and it's not a Williams movie. We've already had a new Superman movie tied far too closely to those that have gone before and that movie doesn't hold up very well in hindsight. Man Of Steel, for better or worse, is going to be it's own beast and it needs it's own score. Zimmer has shown that he can change his style for different movies. The Gladiator score is far different from the Batman Begins score. But, then again, this is AICN where people decide how good a movie is before they ever put their asses on the seat in front of the screen.
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June 19, 2012, 4:17 a.m. CST
If I see the Williams score described as "iconic" one more time....
by TheyPeedOnYourFuckingRug
The rise of the word "iconic" over the last decade is the most brain-dead offense perpetrated on the English language in centuries. It is a meaningless, embarrassingly overused word that makes us all stupider every time we see it. In this case, neither the Superman score nor any other piece of music can be "iconic" because AN ICON IS A VISUAL REPRESENTATION.
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June 19, 2012, 4:29 a.m. CST
i watched Superman 2 the other day... the score kind of sucks now...
by antonphd
i loved it when i was a kid, but it's got a kind of 70s saturday morning cartoon flavor to it that has gotten annoying and the movie... it's kind of Clas of the Titans bad now that I'm 38 instead of 3 or 8. I could go for something new from Zimmer.
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June 19, 2012, 5:05 a.m. CST
hum your favorite Hans Zimmer theme right now!.....
by LHombreSiniestro
..........uhhh......hmmm.....well, there's.....uh..... Oh wait! BWOOOMMMMMMM.....BWOOOOOOOMMMMM....BWOOOOOOMMMMMM!
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June 19, 2012, 5:07 a.m. CST
Actually NOT the first time Snyder uses a different composer
by Johannes Kääpä
Because "The Owl Movie" was scored by David Hirschfelder...
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha aha haaaa... Not unless someone put a gun to Welling's head or hires Routh. That POS is dead. Good. And the "S11" comic is a Superman comic with Welling's face on it.
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Goddamn my hate for Welling.
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Zimmer could be great. It's going to be a new score (and always was going to be). The Williams score belongs with the Reeve movies.
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Make it happen WB...
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Ie those saying snarky things like "hum your favourite Zimmer theme now". PLAINLY you've never played any Metal Gear Solid. Because that's what I started humming. Anyway, who says someone needs lots of good 'themes' in order to be considered a good composer? I mean, outside of ALIENS, how many James Horner 'themes' do you regularly hum? People love the theme tune to Magnum P.I - does that mean that the guy who composed it is as good a composer as John Williams? How many of you even know his name without looking it up? Is Jan Hammer up there with Williams on account of that one awesome theme (you know which one)? Seriously!
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Just to be pedantic - Tenseness IS a word!!!
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are you a fool?
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Always confusing him with Harry G Williams. I'll get me coat!
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Supes II was Ken Thorne and was a cheap knock-off. To deny that Supes the movie doesn't have an incredible soundtrack with layers and layers of themes, action, heart and grandeur means you must have broccoli in their ears.
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...you'll still get at least the Williams Krypton fanfare in the first MOS trailer. Bank on it.
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June 19, 2012, 7:10 a.m. CST
I like Zimmer, but I wouldn't say his Batman score was better than Elfman's
by Wcwlkr
Elfman's Batman score was on a whole nother level. Zimmer's was decent but no even close to being better than Elfman's
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June 19, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST
The Lion King. If anyone questions the genius that Zimmer is, listen to the Disney film's score. He can make iconic music.
by AxeEmAll
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June 19, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST
Not just Lion King (thanks axeemall cause I was about to go there)
by thepoohguy
But also Pirates of the Caribbean. Tell me that score isn't incredible as well. Trust me, when you think pirates, you hear that theme song in your head.
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Just saying.
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Just dreaming here...but it would be awesome if Nolan did a nod to Supes at some point in the film.
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I buy very, very few movie soundtracks. But I have Inception, Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight on my iTunes, and I love them. This is great news!
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Zimmer's inception score
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I mean come on this movie will flop regardless who is excited to see it apart from studio plants??? Just like Amazing Spider Man will flop hard so will this there is no market for it far too many bland uninspired comic book movies around WB learned nothing from Green Lantern they deserve to lose big $$$ here & will do. Should have retained Routh/Singer & developed what they had sowed the seeds for in Superman Returns (which was excellent just lacking a little more action due to all the money wasted on the pre production & endless producers who all needed paying!).
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASQqjK47c04&feature=player_embedded
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but as most scores suck today, (The Avengers was so forgettable) it makes no difference who is scoring. John Williams score for War Horse was dull despite the movie being very good.
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Superman II had at least one great theme, the opening after Zod screams "Jor El!" After that it was merely serviceable... not terrible, but not Williams great. Love those early films so much, but I'm excited as to how Superman will play in the new century, new decade. I love the idea of having all this new music, but at the end of the film before the credits role, let's hear the simple trumpet of the Kryton theme. A simple nod is all...
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who the fuck said that? Fuck off.
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When you think about it a little more beyond the simple knee-jerk reaction, this movie's already looking awful. I hope I'm unexpectedly surprised and shit though...
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...the Bond theme/Williams Superman theme analogy is apt. I love that Singer kept the music for Superman Returns, and am bummed that he ended up putting out such a curious, unsatisfactory rehash of the first film's plot. It killed that reboot and, sorry to say, killed the use of the Williams music.
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Because they're all inspired (stolen) from Holst's The Planets and Dvorak's New World Symphony.
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I love me some Williams. But it's still true.
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Try Rain Man and Driving Miss Daisy! Been humming those for decades.
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I dont care what anyone says, that movie is perfection. The score is Williams best score IMO. However, I am indifferent if Williams ICONIC score is used or not. I see both sides of the argument, so I am open. I always have the original Reeve movie(s) to watch. This new movie will be different, and that is a good thing. However the original movie with Reeve cannot be topped. I dont need action, I actually believed Reeve was Superman. And that is what still hooks me to this day. Old score or new score....this movie all rides on Cavill's performance as Superman. He can punch Zod all he wants to...if his performance doesnt surpass Reeve's, the movie will fail.
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Read on this talkback that Superman will not actually fly? WTF?? Is that true?..has it been reverted back to just leaping tall buildings and that shit? If so, already EPIC FAIL.
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At World's End is incredibly underrated... Listen to "Drink Up Me Hearties..." It's pretty epic... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRp3O7LmwS0
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Pirates: At World's End's SCORE is incredibly underrated...
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Snyder has just said he won't be using strings/ropes to pull off the effect, that he's basically using CGI for any super powered effect of Superman (which is a shame because whatever flaws you may have with SR, Singer and crew developed a really great rope/pulley system that nailed a lot of the flying scenes).
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With The Planet Krypton may be the best teaser ever made... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAZ_KJfZfBQ
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He flies really fast around the Earth causing time to go backwards. Unless you can successfully argue that's a perfectly reasonable plot device, don't say that movie cannot be topped.
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June 19, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST
It's not a shame that they're not using strings for him flying
by wcolbert
Not at all. One of the best things to come out of the Iron Man movie was the decision to look at stark's movement in the air from a physics standpoint - when they had him in a harness pulled around by wires, it looked like they had him being pulled by wires. So they built a rig which would lift him from his FEET (where the propulsion was coming from), which not only fit the physics more closely, but LOOKED better for it. I always imagined Supe's flight as being not too dissimilar from the method of flight used in Dragonball Z - pushing off from the ground using your energy, and directing it out of your feet. If someone could fly, and the only part of their body being lifted is the parts where the harness is attached, it results in an unnatural look in flight, particularly making any kind of maneuvering look incredibly obvious. This is why the Matrix Smith/Neo fight still looked like wire-fu - you can just plain tell. The 70's Supes film is no different - while a great achievement for its day, it IS obvious in the way he turns in the air that he IS on strings. losing the wires also opens up a whole range of movements that wouldnt otherwise be possible because the wires would be in the way or get fouled up. So there's nothing wrong with a gyroscopic flight rig. When someone takes off from the ground, it shouldnt look like they're being PULLED up, but PUSHING down and away. Anyway...I think Zimmer can do a good score (Lion King, Pirates), but I'd have preferred John Williams himself or Harry Gregson-Williams (Enemy of the State, Metal Gear Solid 4) - who is one of the most capable we have.
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June 19, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST
Would you replace The Lone Ranger's William Tell Overture
by NativeGaijin
on the upcoming reboot just to give it a fresh start? I sure wouldn't. In most people's minds, the Superman and 007 themes are just as closely tied to the respective characters. Zimmer will have to come up with one hell of a piece of music to break that connection.
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June 19, 2012, 11:53 a.m. CST
And could we please get a damned edit button on this site!
by NativeGaijin
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Yep, because if there's one thing fans of Superman will hate, it's hearing quite possibly the greatest theme music of all time attached to a new movie and new story. Ridiculous. It's like the story when Lucas wanted new opening music for his SW prequels, and Williams told him "I've got just the thing", and played a tape of the original theme. Don't screw with perfection.
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Seems almost silly to repeat what everyone else has already said, but I have to agree with the ever-rising chorus of voices 100%. Simply put, there is NO reason why Zimmer can't compose and original score for the overwhelming bulk of the film... ...And yet for the opening credits -- or for THE most heroic or Superman-y moment in the movie -- there's also NO reason why you couldn't break out the Williams' theme given that it's become indelibly bonded to the character and in terms of films and scoring it's literally become transcendental and flat-out ICONIC. As others have noted, the Williams' theme is on a level of the Norman BOND theme. And it's not like they ever felt to toss that aside as actors came and went, or as even the tone of the films changed (jokey Roger Moore versus bad ass Daniel Craig). So just tossing the theme aside so you can pretend you're a fucking "hipster" by claiming you're doing something "new" or "cool" is just flat out RETARDED and totally LAME. Which is why today the Kidd earns the rank of "Fucking Idiot" for making the silly assertion they need to drop the theme "if they're going to make this work." NEWS FLASH for The Kidd -- what's going to "make this work" is making a GOOD movie. GOOD acting, GOOD story, GOOD direction, GOOD production values...etc, etc, etc. On the flip side, the Williams' theme is already a proven and time-tested GOLD STANDARD thing relative to the Superman mythos, so clearly IT would NEVER be a problem.
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June 19, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST
NOT a Zimmer fan. Nothing he has done sticks in my head.
by squirtloaf
Seriously...and this is coming from a guy who listens to John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith like they were pop albums.<br><br><br> If they want something darker than the original Williams stuff, they should go for Dvorak's New World Symphony (which is basically where Elfman's Batman theme came from ANYWAY).<br><br><br>It's properly heroic, about America and the place of the immigrant making its way in it, and, unlike Zimmer, the themes are CATCHY AS ALL HECK.
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June 19, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST
Of course the New World Symphony is catchy, it's (one of) the basis for Star Wars' music!
by Royston Lodge
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It'd be nice to let some new blood into big movies these days. All films are being scored by the same hand full of composers. Howard Shore. Thomas Newman. Hanz Zimmerman. James Newton Howard. Danny Elfman.
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http://filmcycle.wordpress.com/2012/06/19/ambivalence-thy-name-is-zimmer-6192012/
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June 19, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST
Enough with the fucking Williams theme. Its over. Like OVER OVER. Move the fuck on. Jesus.
by dahveed1972
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June 19, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST
Zimmer's fine. Not iconic, but his music is effective at setting a tone. No problem here.
by dahveed1972
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June 19, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST
And I agree it seems like the same handful of composers are getting all the marquee gigs these days. kinda sucks.
by dahveed1972
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxjYmeYPKrA
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June 19, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST
BAHM-BAHM-BAHM...BAHM-BAHM-BAHM (rinse and repeat for 4m)
by Pixelsmack
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I'm not saying we need a note for note rehash of his work in the new film, but when people think Superman, his music comes to mind. Why not pull a James Bond or Star Trek and have references blended into the score at appropriate moments? It honors what has come before while still being able to do something new.
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http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/man-of-steel-to-look-like-a-superman-comic.php He flies. But expect slow-mo Snyder vision again.
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I like the idea of bringing it in a little, and maybe a little of the romance theme (if you could read my mind) as well. <br><br><br> There was one episode of Smallville, even, where they brough Cristopher Reeve in, and there was just a little *echo* of the Williams Superman theme, and it was ~chilling~, but wonderful. Tears all around.<br><br><br> This is the thing Williams did so well~leitmotif, and where Zimmer and everyone else since Williams pretty much FAILS.<br><br><br> It was actually one of the *huge* missed opportunities with Avengers...they had, what...6 movies to set up individual themes for the characters which could then have been woven through whenever oone or another was emphasised...and they just...didn't.<br><br><br>SERIOUS lack of "big-picture" thinking there.
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as long as Zack Snyder is in the director's chair. Its doomed.
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Didn't Snyder direct that? Tyler Bates didn't score that either. This will the second film they haven't collaborated on.
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Didn't Snyder direct that? Tyler Bates didn't score that either. This will the second film they haven't collaborated on.
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Sounds cool. Myself, I don't have an issue with Zack's use of slo-mo. We've seen it everywhere since The Matrix. I think for a Superman movie where they're trying to get a comic book feel it may actually work.
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I absolutely agree with you on leitmotifs. I was thinking the exact same thing when watching The Avengers.
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June 19, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST
This news is sooooo OLDDD! We knew Zimmer was going to do this when the film was announced!!
by Can
And no Zimmer cannot surpass Williams score....he might, just might, equal it...we'll see.
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FUCK WB, FUCK SNYDER, and FUCK ZIMMER!!!!
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All of the top of the line talent involved in this movie, yet the trolls have so much insight that it's going to suck, even before they see one single frame of film. Now they go so far as to knock Hans Zimmer, one of the most prolific and respected composers in the business. Just because he's scoring a Superman film. You people are so bored, you absolutely need something to bitch about. But please, do continue...I need the laughs.
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The hell with that, he represents the boring drone music of Hollywood's current music taste and I was hoping against hope they would do something different. Instead we'll get the umpteenmillionth evolution of his Crimson Tide music. Laugh your ass off, buddy.
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I'm guessing a lot of you haven't listended to many of his soundtracks. darshn22 was correct about POTC: At World's End. While the movie wasn't as epic as many wanted...the score was simply incredible. I'm a huge John Williams fan and Danny Elfman. But since the POTC series, I've added Zimmer to that upper 3 on my list...he replaced James Horner. His use of vocals and symphony is amazing. Someone mentioned the Lion King, too. This man knows how to make Epic scores!! The Dark Knight and Batman Begins scores also are involving and thought provoking. Loved them both!! I know Williams has gotten too far up there to do another Superman movie and only comes back to cater to any new Spielberg movies. We're lucky to have Zimmer score this new Superman movie!! MORE than lucky!! Just listen to this for 8 minutes and tell me it's not glorious!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAxQ6n9dgUE It takes a tad to build up...but when it does it's something I can only hope for to be in a new Superman movie.
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June 19, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST
LOL @ "All of the top of the line talent involved in this movie"
by squirtloaf
...because talented people can never make shitty decisions. <br><br><br><br> The one thing that gives me hope about this is Cavill. Snyder got lucky once, Zimmer is mediocre, the costume design so far is abysmally commonplace~it all just adds up to no overall vision, nobody in charge with a feel for the character.<br><br><br><br> "Dark, griity Superman"=going with the trend...more lowest common denominator Hollywood bullshit instead of any actual ~imagination~.<br><br><br><br>...aside from Cavill.
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Use the John Williams' Superman them if they're smart. The same James Bond theme has been used for 50 years , 23 movies and reboots... And I believe the Superman score is just as or more iconic than Bond's
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If you listen to almost all the variations of the Superman theme each one seems to be built on the themes of the past. Start with the radio program then the Fleischer cartoons, The 50's TV show, Williams theme and the Animated are all a progression. Let's hope Zimmer does something like that. If not then pray for the Williams theme. That said the movie sounds and looks like crap so far anyway.
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Many Directors direct their composers to set the tone of the movie to fit their story. Zimmerman wasn't going to do a flashy cartoony Batman theme during a Nolan visioned Batman. His music fit with the storyline and that's what it's all about. Zimmerman gave POTC a score that fit a Pirate life and adventure. Open and wide...like the sea. His Batman scores fit the ticking time bomb of Gotham and more than, "Bwwwahhhh....HHHAAAAA". It had soft moments and hard core supspensful moments that scores are supposed to have. Elman's Batman was more "heroic" and themed all characters. Although beautiful...you can't compare it if he scored Batman Begins or TDK instead. Probably would have more along the lines of a spookier tone. It still wouldn't have worked. JW's score on Superman fit the time and feel of the earlier films. Heroic, grand and actually could have had lyrics!! In JW's main Superman the "SuperMAAAANNN...HE FLIES WITH A CAPE!!" "All the bad guys ruuuunnn...and try to ESCAPE!" "But they CAAAAAN't..... ...because he's SUPERMAAAAN!! ----and sometimes---- "he's Clark Keeeennnt".
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And I doubt he would completely abandon Williams theme.
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You bring up some good points, I think mostly we just disagree about the style of Superman's flight. I know its an evolution of jumping for the character, and while I liked the Matrix's take on flying, I also liked how Singer separated Superman's flight from that. To me, I don't like the idea of his flight as a power move that extends from his feet, I really enjoyed the way Singer portrayed it as making Superman this kind of graceful creature that just takes to the,and almost seems to naturally belong in the air. I remember watching the behind the scenes for that flick and they created a real impressive pulley/green screen system that let them do that, and give flight the full range of motion (not just up and down but genuinely moving him through the air and being able to stop and turn him). New technology means new effects, so I'm not too hung up on them moving on from this, but it is one of the things I appreciated from Singer's flick. And my concern is that I had interpreted Snyder's quote to mean they were just going to make a CGI Superman for flight, which is why I thought it was a bummer. If you're right and they're using a gyroscopic rig to capture Cahill's motion and green screening that, that eases my mind quite a bit.
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June 19, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST
If you think Hans Zimmer can't deliver an epic, thrilling score for a movie about a man that flies, then watch this....
by BlutoBlutarsky
Mind you, the movie this is from pretty much sucks, but this scene, and the music that starts at 1:20 of this clip is brilliant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qMNxVVQhzM I rest my case.
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Still think this movie will suck balls!
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June 19, 2012, 11:17 p.m. CST
God Damn some of you people shouldn't be allowed to have opinions, Zimmer is a genious
by vini77
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Have you seen a Snyder film before? Shit. Have you seen Cavill 'act'? Shit.
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June 20, 2012, 6:52 a.m. CST
First of all Tyler Bates is a plagiarist(ie his 300 score). 2nd Zimmer is shit here's why
by ndally
He owns a company called Remote Control this is where johnn Powell and other composers got their start(like the dude who did the transformers scores). All they do is ghost write for Zimmer, who takes full credit, and once theyve kissed enough Zimmer ass they are given projects of their own. Plus listen to the Pirates of Carribean theme and the gladiator theme. Very similar yet different composers. Klaus bladet scored pirates 1 and Zimmer gladiator. Klaus worked @ remote control.
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June 20, 2012, 6:56 a.m. CST
Tyler Bates ripped of Elliot Goldenthals Titus score for 300. He was sued for it
by ndally
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2 words: Duuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn DUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!! Ok, they aren't words, but that's exactly why I LOVE the Nolan Batman score. I loved it from the first moments of Batman Begins when everyone else was bitching that it "wasn't catchy and iconic like the Elfman score". Elfman's score was great, but not for the Nolan franchise. "Dunnnn-DUUUUNNNNN" is a 2-note key change, yet it's powerful, very powerful. It's amazing and beautiful in it's simplicity. I'm not sure how you *can't* like it.
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I did think the flight was handled quite well in Singer's Superman - in part because they did use some new techniques (including, if memory serves, a gyro-rig which Routh actually laid on for some scenes rather than being lifted..I could be wrong but I swear I saw a behind the scenes with something like that) - whatever they did, it was a far cry better than what they did in the Matrix. Personally I just really like the way they handle his takeoffs in some of the animated movies (Just watched Superman vs The Elite, which was awesome) - there's sort of a shockwave effect as he takes off from the ground when he's going somewhere in a hurry - if he's just lightly taking off, then he simply lifts off as if suddenly placed in zero G. THAT's maybe the balance they should go for - look at the way people on the vomit comet (as the craft is so named) suddenly, with no pulling motion, lift off of the floor when they do zero G training runs- because for them it's almost like gravity ceases to exist - just a different motion that I cant quite describe. As long as he's not relegated to leaping tall buildings in a single bound, I'll be happy
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Assheads. How about Heat? Fucking score rocked. You bunch of grapesmugglers.
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