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An Image Of A Scene Cut From PROMETHEUS!! + Cool Prosthetic Shots!!
A shot of a sequences not featured in the theatrical cut of PROMETHEUS comes to us via PrometheusForum.Net. The picture reveals an "Elder" Engineer (left - played by Matthew Rook) along with that other guy who does that thing which does whatever at the beginning(?) of the movie.
The same article also features some awesome behind-the-scenes shots of Engineer prosthetics-in-progress, both Alabaster and Biomech/Geigery Space Jockey versions.
I wish they'd asked permission before emulating my body type for the film - now I'm confused for an Engineer whenever I go out into public. Really! I am!
(crickets)
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hope its in the bluray
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OH yeah.
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I knew it!
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June 15, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST
Despite his claims to the contrary,I hope Scott has a kick-ass Directors Cut in the works
by Jobacca
PROMETHEUS is like...60% awesome. There are some glaring plot holes and ridiculous decisions made by characters though....hoping theres a lot of deleted scenes that work out the kinks.
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June 15, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST
SO DOES THIS MEAN THE ELDER ENGINEER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OTHER GUY'S DEATH?
by Astronut
I read something about this the other day... something about the second engineer being involved with this guy's death. That this guy's death is like a sacrifice or something? Hmm. Wonder what other cool stuff we're gonna see in the 20-minute extended home video release......! These pics are from the Art of Prometheus book, right?
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June 15, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST
Seems underwear got passed down to us in their DNA too
by No Respectable Gentleman
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June 15, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST
So the Engineers were the Therns from John Carter of Mars".
by cookylamoo
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...motivation for the Engineers, it's really a waste of time. I enjoyed the heck out of the movie, but that's a fatal flaw that should be addressed.
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June 15, 2012, 10:19 a.m. CST
"... at last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi, at last we will have our revenge."
by Roman Troy Moronie
Just sayin'.
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The images are not from the Art of PROMETHEUS book. However, a number of panels of concept art from that sequence *are* represented in the book...
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I wonder why they got all grumpy and tried to kill us humans? Come to think of it, I hate humans too!! You are all bastards!! :-)
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Thought the pensive Humliens looking for a story.
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June 15, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST
Ten bucks says all the cut scenes raise more questions than they answer
by Logan_1973
Which seems to be the m.o. for this film. Can't wait for THAT talkback!
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June 15, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST
So these ones dress differently than the ones on the moon
by Phil Connors
Hmmm....
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June 15, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST
So these are Jedi engineers and the other ones are Sith engineers
by Phil Connors
Hmmm....
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June 15, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST
Originally there were a few Engineers walking around before the sacrificial one was left to do his thing.
by justmyluck
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Man I want a latex muscle suit.
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a group of Engineers playing Stone, Paper, Scissors to decide who is sacrificed
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I think their mastery over DNA structuring and micro nano stuff allowed them to create organic looking machinery, not surprised they made their ships the same way too.
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but I don't even think its a case of 'the film raises lots of questions but no answers'. <p> The questions it raises just aren't very coherent, well formed or 'fair' in the sense they follow a logical train of thought. I love films and media that pose interesting questions and sometimes not having having answers is the best thing for a film. <p> I don't think coherent answers 'could' be given to stitch together even half of the decisions made by either the protagonists or the engineers in this film. Maybe the DC will make it a more rounded picture but the lack of answers isn't my problem with it as a film overall.
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I for one am not tired of the xenomorph.
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June 15, 2012, 10:36 a.m. CST
oh man i so cant wait for the special directors cut limited edition ultimate version final assemblage 4d halographic compilation.
by vulturess
gonna get them all.
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Are jeans and sneakers exclusive to humanity?
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Yep, just like a Burne Hogarth drawing: http://www.myspace.com/gunderwear/photos/64475698 http://capnscomics.blogspot.com/2012/01/some-dynamic-hogarth.html
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June 15, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST
Oh and I love the Engineer face design. They look like a base stock for humanity
by kidicarus
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A pale muscular Adonis human looks like a pale blue, skinny creature with fish ears? I hope you were being sarcastic.
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Only people that didn't understand the movie think it has plot holes. That's fine. Scott didn't make it entirely easy to understand on the first pass. A longer cut should help give it more room to breathe. I'm hoping a longer cut helps explain some of the ridiculous character decisions, but bad characters does not equal plot holes.
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http://www.awn.com/articles/visual-effects/prometheus-bringing-alien-21st-century
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Playing Lindelof's advocate here. This is what I took from the movie without looking for biblical allusions or allegory, what have ye. http://elitiste.blogspot.com/2012/06/prometheus-explanation.html
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June 15, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST
It was a fairly entertaining sci fi movie that was out two weeks ago, can we PLEASE talk about something else now?
by ChickenStu
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...acknowledge that it has some major plot holes. You're welcome to explain why it doesn't, but I'm pretty sure you're wrong.
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if you squint, misremember, and don't look at the pictures for comparison...
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June 15, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST
Who cares? The movie was was borderline awful and all the deleted scenes in the world won't change that.......
by Paul French
Scott can obviously see the negative reaction most viewers, Alien fans or not, have had to Prometheus and this is just him trying to maintain interest in the movie before its box office completely fades and to set us up into buying the Blu Ray/DVD in the hope that it might not be as shit as it actually is!
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June 15, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST
I'm so glad my physique doesn't look like that anymore. It was so much work to maintain it. It got tiring after a while. Being chunky is so much more relaxful.
by jawsfan
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I don't believe that ends any debate at all. The 'Engineers' ... were the ones who ... er ... um .. engineered .. the micro organism that would morph whatever organism it infected. If the micro organism was genetically 'programmed' to look 'Gigery' in whatever it infected, and keep passing that 'programming' down ... well ... I don't think the exo suit ... organic it may be ... had anything to do with the 'Gigery' look. Looks like a common trait to all the 'Engineers' architecture. Just my thoughts.
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June 15, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST
"I'M...TOO SEXY FOR THIS CLOAK. TOO SEXY FOR THIS CLOAK...TOO SEXY BY FAR!!!"
by obijuanmartinez
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June 15, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST
Description of "Elder" panels from the PROMETHEUS: Art of the Film book
by Merrick
Essentially, the panels imply it's very much the same opening sequence...but there's a brief moment in which the Alabaster Engineer jumper guy is approached by the Elder, who reaches out to touch his forehead with a finger. The rest then unfolds more or less as we saw. As presented in the panels, it's a very brief moment - although I suppose it might've been further expanded or improved when shot.
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June 15, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST
..."AND I'M...TOO SEXY FOR THIS LOINCLOTH...TOO SEXY FOR THIS LOINCLOTH...SO SEXY, IT HURTS!!!"
by obijuanmartinez
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June 15, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST
"I'M AN ENGINEER...YA KNOW WHAT I MEAN, AND I DO MY LITTLE JUMP OFF THE WATERFALL..."
by obijuanmartinez
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June 15, 2012, 11:03 a.m. CST
In Alien didn't the one left engineer have a chest burster in the ship?
by Swordfleece
Enjoyed the film but full of basic continuity errors. A child could have spotted them
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...is a stupid woolly hat and a pair of glasses and 'God' has been remade in Lindelof's own image. Kinda similar to how Rob Zombie turned Michael Myers into a lookalike of himself, down to the long unwashed hair, hillbilly beard and scabby clothes.
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So, so stupid. Seriously, the more that gets written about this film, the stupider it becomes. It's a tremendous failure. And no amount of "You didn't understand it!" or "You expected more ALIEN!" is gonna change that fact. The movie was horrible. Plain and simple.
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The Engineer in Alien is a different guy, in a different ship, on a DIFFERENT planet. A child could have spotted that...
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June 15, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST
Glad to see Christopher Eccleston still getting work
by Harry Palmerlime
Plus, big props to his trainer.
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June 15, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST
RealDoll "Engineer" lovedoll now available with life like flacid penis......
by fauns_bass_1
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June 15, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST
Geez, Alien takes place 30 years later anyways... retard child!
by Dan
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June 15, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST
It woulda ben awesome if they hired a real writer to write the script.
by NeonFrisbee
Core ideas were good, visuals were good, plot and character development were TERRIBLE to the point of being hilariously stupid. Further, if the script writer has to sit down and explain to the audience later what was going on, then you're an awful writer.
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June 15, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST
The biomech version looks a bit like Predator
by FitnaTheForbiddenMovie
Yeah, I said it.
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June 15, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST
So Elder Engineers are little, what's with the giant Space Jockey in Alien?
by Domi'sInnerChild
Could it be something else entirely and just uses the same suit? Or maybe it's an Engineer Queen or something stupid like that?
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how much you gettin guys? seriously...
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June 15, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST
And on this day, while visiting Mexico, the Engineers coined the phase "Don't drink the water"
by Domi'sInnerChild
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The plot was admittedly shit. The longer it sits with me the more things I think of that make no sense at all (Like why did all the ancient "maps" point us not to their home world but their weapons research facility?). But stuff like this is so fucking cool! I think the truest testament to Ridley and the production team is that they had me so mesmerized with design and visuals and everything else that my mind didn't stop at the time to consider the stupidity of the script. Now after pondering on it for a week I think it was really poorly thought out.
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June 15, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST
Nothing pisses off AICN talkbackers like a bleak sci-fi flick that points out what worthless pieces of shit we all are
by MooseMalloy
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June 15, 2012, 11:31 a.m. CST
Domi .. Yeah, they engineered something that would burst forth violently from your colon.
by Roman Troy Moronie
Seriously, don't drink the water there.
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June 15, 2012, 11:31 a.m. CST
I love the deep themes and "no answers" approach of the film, but think a longer version could go far in fixing some the motivation/exposition/pacing stuff that haunted what was, overall, a very well-made movie. And no, not because I "didn't understand" i
by ClayMatthews
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June 15, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST
Fucking Lindelof basically wrote a TV Pilot, that's why it doesn't work as a film narrative. That, and its stupid.
by Fortunesfool
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Maybe the Engineer at the beginning of the movie was a biological creature, but his species eventually died out, leaving its biomechanical 'replicant' servant Engineer-lookalikes carrying out their tasks for all eternity like immortal wind-up toys? Or perhaps all the Engineers were biomechanical slaves to the real Engineers, who were bloody huge creatures (cf. 'Alien'), but the species died out, leaving behind their servants with no one to serve. Searching for meaning, the artificial life-forms used their super-awesome black goo to separate their biological and mechanical natures and seeded Earth with the former in the hope of recreating the biological heirs of their own creators via mankind. But then, 2000 years ago, somethingsomethingdarkside. Giant Space Jockeys create smaller biomech Engineers in their own image. Biomech Engineers create biological humanity. Humanity, in turn, creates artificial life in its own image. Biomech Engineers not too happy when they meet David 8, their artificial cousin. Space Jockey, agent of SMASH, goes on a rampage.
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bodybuilders are so so so wrong in this story. Twas the ruination of a quite good idea. 'By the power of greyskull, I'll be back'.
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I just got roped into seeing this a couple of days ago, and it was exactly the movie I was dreading it would be. It's tough for me to say "Well, if they'd had a better script ...", because the movie just flat-out has no reason to exist, no matter how good or bad the script/direction/cast/FX were. Worst of all, it couldn't even admit to itself whether it was an ALIEN prequel, a "Chariots Of The Gods" riff or a sci-fi horror movie.</p><p> It's a terrible ALIEN prequel. We should never have known the background of the Space Jockey, the derelict or where the aliens came from. ALIEN was a brainstorm of imagination and great, cutting-edge artists, and they all knew one simple truth: leave enough to the imagination. What was so cool about ALIEN was how ALIEN it actually was. And by definition, "alien" = 'something outside your sphere of understanding". By ret-conning everything from the original film, PROMETHEUS somehow manages to come up with an unsatisfying explanation for EVERYTHING. The Space Jockey was a giant alabaster dude in a wonky space suit. Another wakes up from hyper-sleep and turns into Michael Myers for NO FUCKING REASON, despite the fact that they are, apparently, responsible for creating all life in the universe. The xenomorphs are an accidental by-product of an Engineer being impregnated by an accidental squid creature that grew out of a human. The derelict from ALIEN was crash-landed by an Earth spaceship, yet, despite the ton of debris left around after the crash, the crew of the Nostromo never finds it. Ridley Scott forgets that Tom Skerritt mentions "It looks like it grew out of the chair" in ALIEN and instead makes it a completely useless suit. You could go on and on for days just poking holes in this thing. And it's not PHANTOM MENACE-bad, it just has no justification for its existence whatsover.
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June 15, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST
If sci-fi is a reflection of our times, then according to PROMETHEUS most people here on earth are a bunch of selfish jerks
by MooseMalloy
-- "That can't be true! Ohh I hate this movie!" - average movie goer
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June 15, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST
Other than Shaw, who says these white beings are engineers of anything?
by Chris Duncan
Just because we hear Shaw say "that is what I choose to believe?" Come on, show me a Breaking Bad RV with smoke coming out the top, a lab with mixing bowls, or something.
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June 15, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST
Much like the misunderstood Maximum Overdrive, Prometheus raises the question humanity has always pondered, "Who Made Who"
by Domi'sInnerChild
The answer is, evil albinos and their adorable and pet penis vagina snakes.
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June 15, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST
I like how David's head is still sitting in the exact same place after the ship gets rammed and crashes all over the fucking place.
by Ironhelix
It's the kind of thing you would notice in an episode of CHiPs.
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June 15, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST
That gives a little more personality and depth to the Engineers!
by xbagboy
Disliked the movie but interested in seeing more of the cut scenes now. It did feel like a TV pilot.
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This is a ridiculously detailed blog post on what the film is actually about: http://www.crankleft.com/blog/2012/june/12/explaining-prometheus--whats-this-movie-about2 There is a follow-up questions answered post here: http://crankleft.com/blog/2012/june/12/answers-to-common-prometheus-questions
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June 15, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST
armageddonproductions: I have all the same feelings you have on this piece of shit movie.
by Ironhelix
However, you are mistaken about one thing. The ship that crashes in Prometheus is NOT the same ship they find at the beginning of ALIEN, as they are not on the same moon. Yes, we are to believe that not one, but TWO Space Jockey ships are crashed in the the same way, on two different moons in the same star system. Yes, it's even dumber than you thought.
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June 15, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST
I love how people think this is some smart film. It was fucking DUMB. This makes AvP look like a good film. Congrats Ridely, this was as bad as AvP:R
by Nick
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David being an android seems like the most likely reason for the Agent of SMASH moment and it explains the size difference. Better than the Space Jesus Jockey thing anyway.
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June 15, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
Ridley is a hack when it comes to telling a story. Alien is his only complete film.
by Nick
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June 15, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
Ridley is a hack when it comes to telling a story. Alien is his only complete film.
by Nick
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June 15, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
Ridley is a hack when it comes to telling a story. Alien is his only complete film.
by Nick
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June 15, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
Ridley is a hack when it comes to telling a story. Alien is his only complete film.
by Nick
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June 15, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
Ridley is a hack when it comes to telling a story. Alien is his only complete film.
by Nick
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June 15, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
Ridley is a hack when it comes to telling a story. Alien is his only complete film.
by Nick
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June 15, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
Ridley is a hack when it comes to telling a story. Alien is his only complete film.
by Nick
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June 15, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
Ridley is a hack when it comes to telling a story. Alien is his only complete film.
by Nick
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June 15, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
Ridley is a hack when it comes to telling a story. Alien is his only complete film.
by Nick
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None of those "problems" you posed bother me and Alien and Aliens are my 2 favorite movies of all-time. Watched them both a few times per year. Different people have different expectations of this movie, clearly. Everyone calm down.
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Create the human race through his death.
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June 15, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST
-- "This movie totally ruined my life and I can't stop bitching about it"
by MooseMalloy
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June 15, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST
So, we are exact matches to these guys, so why don't we look like them. 100% match. come on!
by Nick
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In another talkback someone claimed that the engineer was Prometheus himself and a renegade for creating the human race. As I said there that idea is nonsense as he was clearly dropped off by the large ship. Doesn't matter now as this proves I was right. I'm sure the more cut scenes we find out about, will prove that this movie never had a logical sound plot for the sake of having stunning visuals.
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June 15, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST
Vickers, if you cut down a tree, don't try to OUT RUN IT... just, you know, step to the side!
by Nick
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It absolutely does not have major plot holes. I'm thinking you don't know what a plot hole is. Every single supposed plot hole people have brought up online has an explanation within the movie. Yes, it may take more than one viewing of the movie to understand them, but they aren't plot holes. Mysteries are not plot holes either. You can't just call anything you don't understand a plot hole. That's not how it works.
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June 15, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST
you notice therightclique can't even asnwer the plot holes... he just goes "THERE'S ANSWER IN THERE... BUT I'M NOT TELLING"... fucking tool
by Nick
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...that is the Lindelof version of creativity.
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(AP) - Following the success of Prometheus, Ridley Scott has announced that he did indeed film another movie back to back. The new film (release date TBD) has a current name of Conmetheus, though that title may change. Also mentioned was that Conmetheus is a prequel to Prometheus. No doubt many inquiries such as, who was Peter Weyland's father... along with ...how much schooling did the scientists who created David have, will be among some of the highly anticipated questions moviegoers will want to know.
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They are not that much bigger in ALIEN. We all know Ridley Scott used his children dressed in miniature space suits for some shots to give the Space Jockey a larger scale. When Captain Dallas is standing right next to it, the head is not much bigger than the helmet found in PROMETHEUS. I think Scott manipulates images much the way his sound people manipulate sound. Whatever is needed for that effect is used. Much the way Batman's cape changes length in the comics for effect. I for one have always liked the small differences in different movies when they tackle the same subject. The changing Starship Enterprise in all the various movies (talking about the NCC-1701) is pretty cool. Loki's helmet changed from THOR to AVENGERS. Little changes like that appeal to the designer in me. Okay Sir Ridley...start working on the damn sequel!
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June 15, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST
It's hilarious that some people are going to see PROMETHEUS for the sole purpose of complaining about it
by MooseMalloy
Why not go see it again to find more to bitch and whine about?
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June 15, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST
Why sign up for a multiyear mission, and NOT KNOW WHAT IT'S ABOUT!!!!!
by Nick
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June 15, 2012, noon CST
after seeing this movie yesterday...can i ask one simple question
by Wilford_Brimleys_Diabetes_Rage
After seeing the "hologram sequence" and knowing the "black goo" in & of itself was a biological weapon...but wtf happened to kill off nearly all of the Engineers...did some of the goo get loose & create another lifeform...some sort of mass infection...maybe that wasn't even the first "proto alien" the goo created..either way im confused
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June 15, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST
How come the android David walks?!! Shouldn't he be able to fly if he's so damn smart!
by MooseMalloy
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June 15, 2012, 12:07 p.m. CST
How did Indiana Jones ride a submarine all the way to the island?
by Blue_Demon
How did the Face Huger remove Kane's skull cap in ALIEN? (He was wearing it when he went into the cargo hold and he was bare-headed when they crack his helmet open.) Lots of questions...but only the PROMETHEUS seem to concern you guys. We get it. You hate it. Move along. Seriously, how much joy can you get by thinking up these little bitchfests and typing them up? "This'll show 'em!" You're probably the kid who would not stop asking your dad why the sky is blue.
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Cheers, fella. I have been wondering if Lindelof's pulling another 'Lost', in the sense that the viewer believes that the Dharma Initiative is the Dharma Initiative because that's what the narrative's hinted at up until this point. In other words, everything points to the Engineers being the Engineers, when they could actually be The Others in Dharma Initiative uniforms. If you see what I mean? They look like Engineers, they dress like Engineers, they're living in the Engineers' base on LV-223. Big plot twist: They're not the Engineers. Perhaps that's why they're not acting like the Engineer at the beginning of the movie. They're cuckoos of some sort.
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However, the writing and a majority of the acting sucked. The only two actors I gave a damn about in this movie was Charlize Theron--as the only person who treated the whole situation seriously.......and Idris Elba--for his incredible impersonation of Karl Malone
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Sorry, but it has plot holes. The engineers have no clear motivation for A) seeding earth (or maybe it was an accidental seeding? Who knows!?!) B) for changing their minds and wanting to destroy Earth C) Becoming murderous a-holes when unfrozen. They have no motivation period. The engineers do something, then change their mind. That's not a mystery, it's a lack of character motivation. There's a difference. Look, I'm a fan of the movie, but the lack of motivation on the part of the Engineers is a clear plot hole, and one that picture above might help to fill?...
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June 15, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST
What if David told the Engineer something to make it go nuts?
by Blue_Demon
David clearly had an agenda different from his "Father." "Don't we all want to kill our parents?" I got the feeling that David was starting to hate us something fierce as the movie progressed. This movie does raise a lot of questions.
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You are cracking me up! Thanks!
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June 15, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST
blue_demon, submarines actually do not fully submerge unless the have to, as in when they are trying to be stealthy
by SergeantStedenko
This actually bothered me back in the day, but Speilberg did hi research and it is accurate to normal submarine protocol.
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...I realize a great number of things about this movie went completely over your head. I will explain one of them. As Lindelof said in his seventh interview (although it was plain to anyone paying attention to the movie) the 'Engineer Party Tape' sequence was included to show to the audience what a disappointment our creators were and why Noomi got a little head at the end of the film to go look for the real answers about creation. There was no threat to the engineers. They pretended there was, and the plan was for the door to slam shut right in front of Fred (in the director's cut you'll find out that this was the beheaded engineer's name). They wanted to post him soiling himself in fear (the source of the black goo) as a prank. You know, if you can't understand a movie that asks you to think just a little maybe you should watch something like Transformers, where John Turturro just comes out and tells you when an alien's pissing.
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June 15, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST
-- jimmy: I thought the point was that our creators are murderous a-holes, therefore we are murderous a-holes
by MooseMalloy
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These whiners going to see PROMETHEUS over and over again to get more bitching ammo is funny. Kind of like the 80s when a lot of my friends who were in the Church bought a lot of heavy metal albums just to burn them. I remember an interview with Rob Halford of Judas Priest: "Burn all the albums you like. Just buy them first." Hey guys...I'm sure if you go once a week until they pull the film, you can spot a TON more plot holes in PROMETHEUS and wow us with your powers of observation. Those plot holes are not visible during matinees though. You'll have to pay full price. You have your mission.
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If everything in art isn't spelled out in the simplest possible way, I lose my shit! I'm incapable of doing connect-the-dots games! WHY ISN'T THE WHOLE PICTURE THERE!?!? WTF IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE!?!? And don't get me started on Mad-Libs! Anyway, there are a lot of legitimate criticisms of this movie (e.g. why would a biologist go poking at an aggressive snakelike alien like a dumbass?), but it seems that a lot of people are confused and angry about stuff that's vague or questionable by design.
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June 15, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST
@therightclique ... Thank you!!! I'm glad you said it...
by Roman Troy Moronie
I'm just amazed at all the TBers that need to have their hand held and shown an answer to their liking for every question they have or themes they couldn't connect The same ones would complain about 'too much expositon' if they were given all the answers. One of them above says (paraphrased) "why did they need to commit suicide to begin life" ... then a few posts later answers another TBer's question with "it's like a ceremony " regarding the same scene ... effectively answering their own question. So many other statements in a similar vein from others. It's nowhere given all 'Engineers' are of the same belief. The Engineers at the beginning had a vastly different ship design than the Engineers later, similar to the crashed ship in Alien. They might be at war with one another for all we know ... and may find out in the future. If keeping with some of the Biblical and/or Lovecraft themes ... one or more 'Engineer' factions might be at war with another for creating life and raising it above other life they have created in the past. Point is .. not understanding or not seeing everything connected right away does not equal plot hole, bad writing ... whatever. I don't go into a series of books and go 'oh! plot hole! What horrible writing!!' .... when I've finished the last book or film in the series, then I make evaluations. Unless it's the Star Wars prequels. Those really did need to leave many questions unanswered. I personally liked a mysterious Vader, and not the official history we were eventually shown. I don't mind a few unaswered questions in a story ... that being a great example.
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"it seems that a lot of people are confused and angry about stuff that's vague or questionable by design." Good quote. Life must drive some folks berserk!
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I remember that in the comic book version of the film, Indy lashed himself to the sub with his whip, but even then I thought, "Oh come on!" But my point wasn't that it bothered me...my point was...that it didn't matter at all in a great movie. Now CRYSTAL SKULL... Oh, sergeant? SHOOT THE MOON!!
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I love the new photos, though in some ways I think having that scene might diminish the power of this lone demigod sacrificing himself. Not sure. In this one case perhaps less is more. I felt the theatrical cut of this scene conveyed great mystery and power, and I was fine with that.
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"did some of the goo get loose & create another lifeform...some sort of mass infection...maybe that wasn't even the first "proto alien" the goo created..." I reckon that's what the viewer is supposed to infer, yup. Black goo accident on LV-223 around 2000 years ago, everyone at the base is wiped out except a single Engineer who puts himself into cryo-sleep. The black goo experiment winds itself down or the infection burns itself out. 2000 years later, the Prometheus arrives and unwittingly kick-starts the black goo cycle off for a second time, resulting in the infection of humans, etc.
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June 15, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST
I think the issue with Prometheus is people do not have a problem with suspension of disbelief, but they do have a problem with stupid shit
by SergeantStedenko
There is a difference. It is stupid and defies logic for a scientist to take his helmet off in an alien environment regardless if the air is breathable, there may be unknown contagions, WHICH THERE WERE! It is stupid and defies logic for a biologist to try and pet an alien snake, especially given that most Earth snakes are to some degree dangerous if not deadly. It is stupid and defies logic for a super smart woman intent on her own survival to run forward from a rolling donut spaceship instead of jumping a few feet to the side to get out of its path. It is stupid and defies logic for a geologist to not know or care about the difference between manmade and natural structures. It is stupid and defies logic for someone to introduce an living alien subject to someone's body without putting that person first into a contained environment where they would not threaten to contaminate the entire crew. Should I continue?
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The snake scene is one I would have rewritten. How hard can it be to have the biologist be afraid of the snake, back up, trip and fall into some goo and have another snake wrap itself around him?
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I think David wanted Holloway to infect others. He seemed very pleased that Shaw was "pregnant." But the others do seem kind of dumb. I hated the geologist. He seemed more like a soccer hooligan than an intelligent guy.
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-- I thought that was explained by the sensors they had. Their equipment detected no pathogens or anything else in the air that would prevent them from breathing it. The black goo would not be considered dangerous by the detectors because it is what we humans were created from.
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June 15, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST
@natalieportmansyummyafterbirth...just stop. you're an idiot.
by la te ral us
you're pointing out "plot holes" that a child could have picked up on answers to. i don't have the time to start explaining it all to you.
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The Elder Engineer is telling him not to dance, so our hero Mumbles drinks the black goo. Eventually he gets stunk in a zero and educates the world about melting ice caps, but we fuck it up in the end by building creepy androids that play basketball on bikes.
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you don't know what a plot hole is...the motivations of the engineers being a mystery is just that, a mystery...not a plot hole
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That doesn't explain why they created us or changed their mind. And I don't think OUR reaction upon meeting our creation would be to kill it. Curiosity would probably win over. It's possible the ones in the temple/ship are "military", so their instinct it purely violent. Maybe the other Engineers are somewhat benevolent creators. Unfortunately we're doing all the work in filling in these holes. The movie itself doesn't seem to have a theory at all. The only tidbit of info we did get was pure speculation on the part of the pilot, who offers that the place is a bio-weapon lab. Great, but that still doesn't speak to motivation at all.
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...I actually assumed the Engineers were CGI creations because of how smooth and unreal they looked. I'm impressed that they were prosthetic costumes.
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June 15, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST
Those who didn't understand the movie's intro need to take their ADD tablets and watch the film again.
by RedJester
It's really not that hard to understand, and the fact that it flew over some "film experts" heads is worrisome and explains the films lackluster reception.
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You're the reason why intelligent filmgoers get shit blockbusters foisted on them over and over again.
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The lackluster reception is more down to the fact that the screenplay is garbage.
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Prometheus Reveals the Answers
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...unless you're suggesting the sensors could instantly sample, analyze and compare elements not encountered before that explanation doesn't really hold water. Because in a new environment it would be the things you hadn't encountered before that you would probably be most worried about. And even then you wouldn't remove your breathing apparatus in an unexplored underground environment, for the obvious reasons. Now this isn't one of the things about the movie that bothers me. It's a film convention to do whatever little dance you have to in order to get the helmets off your actors' heads. And in a movie that was working for people no one would even be mentioning it. When a movie's enjoyable you can shrug off all kinds of things. When a movie's disappointed every inconsistency shines like a beacon.
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June 15, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST
-- andromedus: Ahh yes, the old size changing space jockey screw-up in ALIEN
by MooseMalloy
Watch ALIEN again and you will clearly see that the space jockey is much, much smaller in all the close-up shots then it is depicted in the wider shots of the whole gun that feature the child actors (yes, Ridley's son etc.) The size of the space jockey in those close-up shots are the same size as depicted in PROMETHEUS.
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How come the ship at the beginning (you know, the big waterfall scene) how come that wasn't a horseshoe ship? who was it that came back and told those primitive humans about the fabulous timeshare packages on LVwhogivesafuck? why was it such a big secret that the old guy was hitching a ride ON HIS OWN GODDAMN EXPEDITION? You can bet your ass if I was footing a trillion dollars, I'd have a nice window seat. How come Vickers doesn't know that "38 billion miles" wouldn't even get you out of the solar system? Maybe SHES the one who plotted the Kessel Run! I'd post more, but I've already put more thought into the story than the script writers
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June 15, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST
-- red ned: I would assume with the tech depicted in the movie that the sensors would pick up on any UNKNOWN elements in the environment --
by MooseMalloy
Since any unknown elements were not detected, helmets off!
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June 15, 2012, 12:58 p.m. CST
Why doesn't LeBron James look the same as an old Korean woman? 100% HUMAN DNA MATCH!
by poop
Fucking idiot.
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especially if they're dialog scenes
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...that's an assumption of a level of technology that opens up a whole nest of plot holes. Because their sensors could do this but were either... ...not calibrated to test ANYTHING but the air... ...or... ...were unable to identify the black goo, which was in the same environment, as a lethal threat to humans.
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June 15, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST
If there's a big gaping hole where character motivation...
by jimmy_009
...should be, I'll call that a plot hole, not a mystery.
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June 15, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST
-- red: The black goo is us, therefore not identified as a threat
by MooseMalloy
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As Quagmire would say. Why didnt he just rub out a couple giggitys into the waterfall and call it good?
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Oh please... And its elitist jerks like you who suck the fun out of everything. If Megan Fox gave you a blowjob, you'd complain about her filmography. Nothing is forced on you, brainiac. Go and look up your "intelligent" films, sit there with your friends, stroking your chins and marveling at how far above the masses you are. Us troglodytes will be having fun over here. Check please.
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and I am sure that I will enjoy it in the context of its sum of its parts. But I must admit that it does bother me how they deviated from the universe set up in the other ALIEN films. I understand that this film is a bit of a sidequel and not a direct prequel, however I liked how the other films lay out how remote, cold and hostile space is. Further, the films establish that space is a very lonely place and that if we ever do encounter other life, it may truly be alien and even frightening. I also liked how earth and humans were very minor players in a vast universe. Prometheus seems to have fallen back into the Star Wars, Stargate and Star Trek template that life is common and humanoid. The film has also jettisoned the idea that Earth is a small island in the vastness of space and that we are related to other species in the universe. While this does raise some interesting questions, I thought the Alienverse made itself distinct by not being like Wars, Trek and Gate. In fact it seems that the xenomorphs are not alien at all as they and we were created by the Engineers/Space Jockies. I am glad that this scene was deleted. After Stargate, I don't need to see anymore robed bipedal aliens. My two cents at least.
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"this mooovie asks queschchuns and you arent schmart enough to see the annnssseeerrss!!" "you want evvvrryfffiinng spoonfed to youu, dumbassessss!!" fuck off, retards. it's really fucking old now. everyone agrees the film is shit, just to varying degrees. YOU agree the script is balls, but like it because PRETTY PICTURES we don't like it because PRETTY PICTURES ARENT ENOUGH! ...and to my fellow "haters", citing "plot holes" - what you really mean is bad writing/plot contrivance/coincidences/retarded character actions/no true motivations etc i understood the film the first (and only) time i saw it. yes, i understood it's a rehash of a bunch of other films, done very badly (besides the visuals, i guess)
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...the black goo is not US, or the introduction of the black goo into our body would not transform US.
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June 15, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST
They determined that the oxygen levels were adequate. Nothing more.
by Ironhelix
A determination about pathogens would be impossible, because well... they are on an ALIEN FUCKING PLANET. How could any determination be made about a pathogens when there is no way to know what effect they would have upon a human? People trying to decry this movie's detractors as being unable to "understand" the movie, have me almost falling out of my chair with laughter. There is nothing to understand here. The movie is filled with pseudo-science at best, BARELY even fulfilling it's role as a science-fiction, and practically crossing over into full-fledged fantasy. The movie is a joke to anyone who was hoping for a hard sci-fi film, and was clearly made for the MTV generation that cannot be bothered with any buildup, or plot development of any kind. It's rushed, and is aimed at children. Any of the people who liked Prometheus can likely name the entire cast of Jersey Shore, because they were the target demographic here.
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you nailed it, brother.
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June 15, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST
Why didn't Dave just kill everyone in their cryopods before the movie even began?
by Rtobert
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Thats the impression I get anyway. Goofy look for an alien if u ask me. Hurry up The Dark Knight Rises!!!!!!
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ridley scott? who the fuck is that? that old guy that made thelma and louise?
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June 15, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST
I don't agree, but it is not made up of anything new to the human body, so once again it was not detected as a threat
by MooseMalloy
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Movies that raise questions are fine. Movies that pretend to raise questions, but are really randomly throwing dog shit at a wall and refusing to explain it or make it explainable in order to trick stupid people (literally, stupid people) into thinking they're 'deep' are not fine. Putting shit up on the screen that doesn't fit together, and then cashing your paycheck and laughing about how you'll never have to fit it together once the check clears, is not fine. I will never again pay money to see anything involving anyone connected to the LOST production staff. They learned that deliberately putting nonsense that not only isn't explained, but which CANNOT be explained reasonably, up on the screen will get people to laud you. Fuck these cunts and everything they work on. I now have to boycott WWZ, too, because of this asshole writer's involvement, unfortunately. I guess I will just pirate that shit.
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...you missed a new rationalization: The probes would have somehow noticed that there was an unknown pathogen in the air in this alien environment. Because they didn't notice any none were present and therefore it was safe to take off the helmets. But these same incredibly, unbelievably advanced pieces of technology (how could we possibly be able to do this but not have a technology where you could buy youth (or an amazing robut body for a trillion dollars) were unable to identify the black goo as a threat because... ....the black goo is US. This is why when you get a blood transfusion you turn into a contortionist zombie and why it is always important to wear a condom.
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except that inception genuinely is a smart well written puzzle box of a film and this is dreck from a member of team abrams. i pray you mopes will wake up to this fact eventually... and i'm a fucking atheist.
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The Engineers seeded life on earth, however the only way they choose to do this through a sacrifical ritual, maybe because of something they believe, part of their religion. any way all seed human life springs from there cesse pool of primordial soup, they may have also done the same with other animals and maybe some just evolved from failed experiments, maybe it was them that wiped out the dinosaurs (which personally is the prequel to prometheus i want to see.) Then as life grew, they came into contact with our species and helped us nuture helping the first human beings, and watching over them, as in the old testament, but other cultures they visited developed their own interpretations of them and gave them different idenity's, the greek gods and roman gods are born and worshipped, leading to certain statues of their era, look like engineers, white and lean. however when they created the first hybrid of their races dna, after believing humanity had earnt it evolution and reward them with the "savior" the linking of the two worlds, "heaven and earth." however we preceded to whip him and nail him to a cross where he came back to life after 3 days and return to the heavens. so maybe the gods were actually quite upset by this, and return to their star system to use one of their terraformed planets, to create a perfect organism, that will wipe us out, due to the failed experiment we turned in to. hence they are trying and something goes wrong on LV 223, they are all killed by the goo or some alien they created (this is ropey as shit and need to see the film to see if these answers are given or if we gotta wait until the sequel to find out.) then prometheus shows up after following their star chart they found, left by the engineers incase they ever develop the technology and smarts to interstellar travel. which we have after they were last on our planet, 2000 years ago, which is also you remember how old the fossillized remains were of the headless engineer. now couple that witht the theme of Shaws believe on christianity, her religion, that belief being right but coupled with the higher being alien seeded us, then religion and science both win the day! hurray! but we all get wiped out by the xenomorph in return for this enlightening moment. double win.
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I don't see the big deal with them taking their helmets off. Everything indicated that their was breathable air and David confirmed it. Star Trek beamed down to class c alien planets almost every week and no one ever had a problem with that. Go back and watch Phantom Menace and be amazed by what we did get here.
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June 15, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST
You guys realize you're getting all worked up over a movie, right?
by MooseMalloy
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June 15, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST
while i love the greater story of it i just wish a better script had been written for it, stupid characters doing stupid things in a smart movie basically.
by rollin2001uk
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June 15, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST
Is this picture from the Jesus in Palestine scene that was cut?
by Rtobert
Sounds like this is a Christian movie, according to Scott.
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June 15, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST
Voldemort was one of the Engineers?! The plot thickens!
by Mr. Pricklepants
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June 15, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST
Ridley Scott's: Anakin Skywalkering the Mystery of the Space Jockey
by awepittance
Am i the only one here who thinks this looks laughably fucking terrible? why didnt ridley have the balls to just leave the mystery of the space jockey (who is at least 20 foot tall in the original alien movie) alone? Oh yeah i forgot he wanted to cut a big pay check and use Lindeloff as a bullet proof vest
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Stop making poor excuses for a clear retcon, just admit that's what ridley did, he never intended the space jockey to be that humanoid looking or just a guy in a suit, full on retro active continuity and you can't admit
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June 15, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST
Slamming the Dumb Decisions made by characters in the movie...
by GQSioux
I'm amused by the high amount of slamming the film is getting because of the "dumb" decisions made by the characters. Milburn trying to touch the Hammerpede, ok...Well, let's not forget, in ALIEN, Kane not only saw movement in the egg, his glove also got zapped by the acid at the lips of the egg when he touched it. Even after that, he STILL puts his face over the egg after it opens. And you all wanna slam Milburn? Milburn was suited up and had a mask on. Let's also not forget that Ripley went back in the ship and risked her life to SAVE A FUCKING CAT. The point is, curiousity kills the cat--and it kills humans too. We're curious bastards and sometimes it gets the best of us, even scientists, and we make stupid decisions. So if those things both you, fine, but then I would expect you to bash Alien as well for similar reasons.
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These guys fucking nail it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0
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Lame, but true. The odds in Ridley-verse are just very big that another ship crashes in almost the exact way, with another SOS-message being broadcasted. I really think they changed the planets name pretty late in post because it's just a trainwreck of a movie.
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I got a boner.
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Still trying to figure out why such "smart" people would play with what clearly was a cobra type of alien. JackAss the alien episodes? The ship in the beginning was quite different from the ship later in the movie, seemed more advanced. For being our EXACT DNA they looked quite different. Some explanation to that would be cool. and the guy they woke up was working on at least a 2500 year old agenda, the race as a whole might have changed their view towards "us". Oh well, liked the movie enough to see it twice, just don't know how some of that stuff snuck in there.
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puzzle box wasnt the right term, it isn't memento or primer or anything (i can't think of any others right now) but it's fucking einstein compared to this shit. i'm a fan of redlettermedia but they gave this shit a pass just like plinkett made a nu trek review video consisting of excuses "why it was okay that they did a reboot", that really turned me off them... anyway, inception, just compare them: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/inception/ http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/prometheus_2012/ http://www.metacritic.com/movie/prometheus http://www.metacritic.com/movie/inception i think it's great.
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It doesn't matter how much they add to it, they can't fix the stupidity already present in the plot / characters. The problem with the movie isn't what's missing, it's what's there. It sucked ass more than The Human Centipede.
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Those movies were exciting and engaging so you simply overlooked or were so swept up in the story that you never noticed mistakes/nonsensical bits. Prometheus was just scene after scene of idiocy that never engaged my attention so every little mistake just leapt out.
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June 15, 2012, 2:43 p.m. CST
SO WAIT, I GET THE SACRIFICE ASPECT AT THE BEGINNING... BUT WHY DID THEY ZERO-IN ON THE DNA DISINTIGRATING IN THE WATER?
by Astronut
I don't get that part.
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It isn't hated by anyone and audiences are clearly liking the film (73% critics and 74% audience rating on RT) I still stand by my assertion that everything is there for you if you pay attention.
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June 15, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST
IF THE DNA (HELIX) DISINTIGRATED, THEN HOW WOULD THAT "CREATE LIFE?" AM I MISSING SOMETHING??
by Astronut
Or is it just another item in a series of fuck ups in this film? For the record, I really like the film despite the loads of issues. What a missed opportunity. Wow.
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June 15, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST
PHANTOM MENACE: 10% ENTERTAINING... PROMETHEUS: 90% ENTERTAINING. EVEN WITH THE FLAWS YOU KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE.
by Astronut
FACT!!!
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And so was the movie.
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June 15, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST
"...everything is there for you if you pay attention." macheesmo3, omfg dude. Not everything.
by Astronut
Come ONNNN, man. Really???? I mean, REALLY????? I don't have the strength to retype all of the complaints right now. Even if you weed out the "explainable" oddities and moments of total absence of logic, you are STILL left with several RIDICULOUS EXAMPLES of WTF. And like I stated earlier, I LIKE THE MOVIE!! But facts are facts, dude. You're looking at clouds and seeing what you WANT to see.
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June 15, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST
THE PEOPLE WHO KEEP "EXPLAINING AWAY" THE MOMENTS OF LOGIC AND/OR THE LACK OF REAL SENSIBILITIES IN THIS FILM ARE AKIN TO LOOKING AT CLOUDS AND SEEING WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE.
by Astronut
That's how I'd put it.
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June 15, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST
SMART SCI-FI SHOULD BE SMART AND LEAVE YOU THINKING, WONDERING. NOT MAKING SHIT UP BECAUSE IT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE!!!!
by Astronut
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EITHER Weyland having the arrogance to ask for immortality from a race that sacrifices itself to seed planets OR it saw David as being a fuck you to the engineers as we are arrogant enough to try and create our own life... OR maybe our time had simply come and as they said a reset was in order, so kill any humans around anyway. I'm just glad ALL Of this will be answered in part 2 ;-)
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June 15, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST
CORRECTION: SMART SCI-FI SHOULD LEAVE YOU THINKING AND ASKING QUESTIONS, YES. BUT NOT LEAVE YOU "MAKING SHIT UP" IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY IT.
by Astronut
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June 15, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST
The two different alien spacecrafts is possibly a huge plot hole and contrivance
by SergeantStedenko
The spaceship in the beginning is the typical saucer-shaped craft we know and love. It is this shape in the movie because this is the shape found in the cave paintings and it is also one of the original shapes of first reported UFOs in history. The question is, why is it not like the craft found later in the movie? I guess one could argue that the aliens may have various spacecraft designs. But, is it more likely that the reason the alien spacecrafts don't match up is because Lindelof and Scott were basically trying to mashup an alien origin of man story with the world depicted in the Alien franchise. Thus they were limited by the design of the original Space Jockey craft in Alien, yet could not re-design the saucer-shaped UFO because that is the type of UFO most known to man and "found" in early art around the world. I am more inclined to believe it is the latter, especially given the ham-fisted Xenomorph origin scene at the end.
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June 15, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST
LET'S ALL "MAKE SHIT UP" SO WE CAN FILL IN THE HOLES!!!!!!!!
by Astronut
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I believe the film was implying that new life would be created once the old life (in this case the Engineer and DNA) was destroyed. David had a line in the movie where he mentioned this.
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June 15, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST
The one screen name that made me laugh the hardest, maybe EVER, is wilford_brimleys_diabetes_rage
by Astronut
Freaking HILARIOUS.
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That is pretty much what this amounted to. Holloway was Johnny Knoxville Fifeild was Ryan Dunn Millburn was Steve-O
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so..already "prometheus" the titan ISNT a lone rebel... "stealing life" to give to earth as a lone act. ... but now part of a sacred ritual/act. and howed the second leave the planet?;) oh the ship came back.. ok. yep sure. one cut ..lets just tell one story and not make us pay for blueray plot fixes.... shame on lucas...;) nothing about art. this is business that was more honest when the 3d was a skeleton hanging from the ceiling;)
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June 15, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST
How come they're half the size of the Space Jockey in Alien?
by fitzcarraldo2
The Engineers look 7 - 8' tall, the Jockey looked 12-15'. Big damn difference.
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June 15, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST
LOL, glad you like....and the film as well which is...
by SayNoToRemakes
slowly growing on me like mold on bread...
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June 15, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST
In which sequel/prequel are we going to find out that....
by David Smith
the engineers are actually evolved humans from the future(or a paralel universe) that have gone back in time(or crossed univereses) to do somthing unthinkable, is the engineers universe in some kind of conflict with our universe.
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June 15, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST
So in the sequel, Noomi and Fassbender travel to the Engineer's home world only to discover that it's....
by Roane Gaddy
....a planet-sized Gold's gym?
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June 15, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST
and the black gunk is just a bio-weapon created by humans in the future
by David Smith
to use against the engineers.
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and no weapons allowed ! Stupid fucking movie.
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they don't know the planet is dangerous yet...and the two guys who get killed in the temple both had their helmets ON
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June 15, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST
HAHA... OH, "AND DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING! ALTHOUGH WE'RE GOING TO KEEP TOUCHING EVERYTHING!"
by Astronut
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June 15, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST
HOW MANY TIMES WAS DAVID TOLD NOT TO TOUCH ANYTHING? NO ONE REACTS TO HIM TOUCHING EVERYTHING, HE DIDN'T LISTEN EVEN ONCE!!!
by Astronut
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June 15, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST
Just saw this... Not a horrible, bad, or stupid film... but...
by Mrhazard
Not really good or worth watching again. Fassbender is by far the best thing in the movie (alongside Charlize Theron's pushups). The acting from the rest of the cast leaves a lot to be desired at times. And besides Fassbender and Theron, no character is really intriguing or worthy of your interest. I dont care what happens to any of them. (The "self-surgery" scene is intense tho.) The movie is also very predictable. You could pretty much call out the plot points before they happen most times. Again tho I wont say this is a bad or uninspired film. It's not the mindless summer movie I usually avoid. But it's not anything unique, special or different either. Kind of a high-brow "horror in space" movie, that you've seen a million times before. (Or at least I have)
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I noticed that the head shape is closer and they're both slender. Just a theory, maybe the reason the Engineer freaked out and tried to kill all the humans was it somehow knew that fertilized human egg + black goo (or whatever gets it there) = the Proto-Alien. And that Proto-Alien is somehow dooms the Engineer's race, universe, whatever. I still prefer the David insult theory, but I thought this could work as well. Now getting to that point is another story. How do they know the Proto-Alien is coming? Time travel (Lost boy NOOOO!)? Lame prophesy? Previous outbreak? They're that smart that who what mixing everything together will do? Regardless, I think the original Alien Xenomorph comes from an attack or encounter with another species that the Engineers somehow bungled (they're 0-2 in Ridley Scott movies).
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June 15, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST
NEVER BEFORE HAS A FILM MADE ME SO HALF & HALF, EMOTIONALLY...
by Astronut
On one side, I really like the film — the visuals and the overall concept is dope. On the OTHER hand, what a wasted opportunity. Could have been so much more. So much more fulfilling. Jesus. It actually makes me angry if I think about it!!!
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It's a work of fiction. Take it too seriously, and nothing can save it for you, because you won't be able to avoid seen through the illusion. Movies are basically illusions, so none can truly stand up to concerted disbelief and skepticism. As for why the Engineers were such assholes? Well, a couple of possibilities present themselves. 1) You're God, and your puny creations show up trying to talk with you. The NERVE. Punish them for their presumption. or 2) Your species has basically seeded life throughout the universe, and so some of these lifeforms you seeded have shown up. Thing is, you created these lifeforms so you could show up later and recreate yourselves at their expense. Everybody dies, but apparently they can revive themselves. How do we know this? Because infected with the nano-oil, that scientist begins becoming one of them. So, what happens when your feedstock creatures show up on your doorstep? kill them, and go on to convert their people into your people. That's my theory, at least.
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June 15, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST
"The xenomorphs are an accidental by-product of an Engineer being impregnated by an accidental squid creature that grew out of a human. "
by Shermdawg
No. The Jockeys were raising Xenomorphs 2,000 years prior to the events of the film. The xeno at the end is a totally new version of the creature.
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June 15, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST
If you told me these were pics of a lame-looking alien race from an episode of Star Trek Next Generation
by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls
I would have believed you.
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I guess this sums it up: http://i.imgur.com/kVodv.gif
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I just pointed out the error in ALIEN.
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The mural wasn't a plot device of predicting the future.
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Weyland was the old man character that Johnny Knoxville plays in the Jackass movies. David 8 was Chris Pontius. In the director's cut, after the crew wakes up from hypersleep, David is dressed up as party boy and strips in front of the crew while cheesy techno music plays on a futuristic boom box. The alien that burst out of the Engineer at the end was Wee Man.
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June 15, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST
i don't understand why some people seem to have a problem with not knowing everything
by brightgeist
i actually LOVE that about PROMETHEUS, that we (and the human characters) simply don't understand the engineers' motivations. that gives the whole thing a really awesome touch, it makes us feel small and clueless, like they simply stumbled into this whole new world that they simply have no clue about. it's not as simple as "oh, these aliens want to wipe us out because they need our gold/water/whatever resources. many people seem to be just so used to the standard fare we get in every movie, that when something truly different comes along, the only reaction they can muster is dislike.
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use "smart puzzle box of a film" one more time... it may have been. It was also pretentious, plodding, boring, and dull. Fuck that shit.
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June 15, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST
The black goo... has anyone thought it could be a disposal facility?
by lv_426
Maybe it is a weaponized form of the black stuff the Engineer drank in the beginning? Perhaps it was being disposed of, or broken down into baser elements 2000 years ago, when something went wrong (the worms), and killed all the Engineers. That is why they were running around in the hologram recording with their bone-suits on. So the rapey worm mutations would have a harder time burrowing inside their bodies, and of course protection from acid blood. The whole thing about Earth being a target could have been a manipulation by David to turn the Engineers against the humans.
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Aside from the part where it's made a lot of money for an R rated film and received good reviews? That kind of failure? Or maybe you mean because it made less than Madagascar on a -1000 less screens-? Certainly not a failure for being visually groundbreaking and highly entertaining?... Seriously, I know you dumb shits feel special to spew off that kind of overblown hyperbole, but save it for things that actually deserve it. I agree that it has story issues, but at worst it's an average to good sci-fi movie. At WORST. If you're saying it's terrible or a "failure" you're a complete tool with a need to be "that guy" that said it sucked before the other guy did.
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June 15, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST
The Jockeys were raising Xenomorphs 2,000 years prior to the events of the film?
by Domi'sInnerChild
What supports that? Life on Earth began three billion years ago. So the black goo is at lesat that old. Unless Jesus was the first Xenomorph and just wore a very clever Halloween costume. Even the Xenomorph eggs in the first movie could have been ancient or after Prometheus depending on your take of how fossilized it is (or if they got cute with Time Travel).
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I disagree.
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Besides a few too many f-bombs there was nothing all that R-rated in the film, especially with what's allowed on network television these days. They could've made much more if they had went PG-13. Also, when you factor in boosted returns from IMAX & 3D showings, its box office take isn't all that impressive. It should have, and could have made more than it did.
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Why do you have to space out your banal fucking questions over 20 separate postings, instead of condensing them into one post? Why?
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I was trying to find a way to work in Wee Man.
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someone asked: "why did all the ancient "maps" point us not to their home world but their weapons research facility?" this is actually NOT the case. if you pay attention, they say that the "maps" point to a SYSTEM, and that they found one moon in that system with conditions that might support life. so the "maps" do NOT point specifically to LV-223, they just point to the system. now what could that mean? if the engineers really left an invitation (which is also NOT at all clear), then maybe they wanted us to go to another planet in the same system. but maybe their home planet got destroyed at some point, which is why Weyland and Shaw didn't pick up any other planets there that might support life. or perhaps they have a cloaking field around their planet. or there could be hundreds of other explanations. but all of that is based on the assumption that they even wanted to leave an invitation. just because that is Shaw's interpretation (wishful thinking), it doesn't necessarily have to be true. there are also countless other possible explanations. maybe the engineers didn't intend for ancient humans to make those drawings at all. maybe the engineers simply used some sort of communications device to report back to their planet, which displayed a hologram of their system. and the ancient humans saw that. the engineers probably didn't care about that, because to them the humans were just primitive animals. i think the main problem is that many people don't use their imaginations when it comes to these questions. there are no plot holes in PROMETHEUS, there are only unexplained things, and many people seem to be so used to getting everything served on a silver platter, that when something isn't fully explained, they can't handle it.
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They come to Earth hundreds of millions of years ago to seed life on the planet. They then wait out millions of years while the Dinosaurs evolve and are eventually wiped out. Then wait through a few million more waiting for the small mammals to develop into primates up into Proto-humans into our current form. Then after all that time they come back to comunicate with us. Why haven't they evolved as a species in all this time. After hundreds of millions of years their technology should have increased to the point where they might not even have human form any more, like those energy beings on Star Trek. Aside from that, after waiting all this time, a singular incident (The Crucifixtion of Space Christ) which happens during the infancy of our development as a society is reason enough to have and entire civilization wiped out? Seems pretty harsh for such an advanced race whose main interest was to create life.
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From Weyland Chronicles: http://www.weylandchronicles.com/2012/06/another-huge-prometheus-effects-gallery-there-are-two-elder-engineers/ Apologies if someone's already posted this.
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Supposedly a young Guy Pearce, on a yacht surrounded by women, was going to appear in one of his dreams that David watches. I guess this was cut? Also cut, apparently a view of his corporate office orbiting Mars. DAMMIT!
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Given limited info, for all we know the asshat Engineer types on LV-226 were a military/rebel faction and the "good" types actually had advanced.
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Also, who said was originally a weapons research base? it was painted like the Sistine chapel and filled with sculptures. morel likely it was meant to be a sort of welcoming base, which was later retrofitted to kill whoever arrived there.
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That argument ain't gonna fly with me, flap-jack. The film is monumentally stupid and an outright dramatic failure. I'm astonished by the degree some people are willing to defend it...especially when you consider the roasting other films have received on this site. I can only surmise that it must be out of some fan-based devotion to Ridley Scott and the cinematography (which makes up for absolutely nothing). This is Scott's KOTCS. An embarrassment to all involved and a virtual insult to the audience. Or, at least, to more discerning types...
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two things: 1. we don't know that the Engineers seeded life on Earth. that is an assumption made by the characters in the movie. they could be wrong. use your imagination to think of other explanations. one example: maybe the Engineers are actually from Earth. think "Atlantis" or something like that. maybe there was a highly developed human civilization on Earth thousands of years ago, and they left for another planet, which is understandable... i would sometimes like to do the same when i look at the rest of the world today. ;) and then they came back now and then to check on the humans on Earth. during those visits, the ancient humans watched the "Engineers" using some sort of (communications?) device that displayed a hologram of their system, and they made drawings of that. the first scene of the movie could actually be the "Engineers'" arrival on their new planet, where they seeded life, so that they would have plants and animals there. 2. there is practically no more evolution by natural selection in an advanced species. so it's wrong to assume that after millions of years, a species would evolve into some sort of "energy being" or whatever. evolution has pretty much stopped for human beings today, because genetic mutations no longer determine who gets to multiply and who doesn't, or who gets to live a long life and have more children and who doesn't. with our medicine and no natural predators that hunt us, we all have pretty much the same chances of survival and reproduction, so there is no more natural selection at work. so it makes sense that a highly evolved species would look almost the same even after millions of years.
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I've mentioned good box-office and good reviews. You have "it sucks!" I win.
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June 15, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST
Tepid box-office and lukewarm reviews. Plus, it sucks.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
I fucking win.
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June 15, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST
Anyone else notice the Space Jockey's face looks like Michelangelo's David come to life, but bald.
by Orionsangels
His face looks like a lot of men in those old 15th to 16th century paintings. Is that supposed to mean that instinctively mankind painted man in the image of it's creator?
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Just sayin'.
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I can see you point on the first comment. But I definately think that first scene was meant to show the Engineers seeding Earth with the foundations of life and suggest that they would do this on other planets as well. As for the second comment I don't agree that we have ceased evolving as a species. If you have seen pictures of men from the late 1800's they were generally smaller in height then men today. Being 6 feet tall used to be considered tall for a man but now 6'3" or 6'4" is more common. We are continuing to evolve as a species and 100 million years from now (If we make it as a species) we should look very different then we do now. I do regret my "Energy Beings" statement earlier but that Star trek episode came to mind as I was typing it. What I meant to talk about was their technology. After hundreds of millions of years they may have developed the technology to move outside the galaxy or even into areas we cannot imagine yet.
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June 15, 2012, 5:05 p.m. CST
Mr Nice Gauius...there must be a new definition of 'winning' that includes being a total loser..which would be you
by quantize
Great box office, lots of great reviews... glass is half empty for you fool..
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June 15, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST
sensors didn't pick up the black goo because it isn't airborne
by brightgeist
if the black go were airborne, everyone would be infected. clearly it only infects them when they touch (or drink) it. so that settles that stupid question forever, doesn't it?
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"But I definately think that first scene was meant to show the Engineers seeding Earth with the foundations of life" well, if you choose to believe that... :P Ridley Scott has clearly said in a very recent interview that the beginning scene could be on any planet.
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regarding the evolution topic... yes, people in the 1800s were generally smaller in height than they are today. that was mainly because of nutrition. if you believe that 200 years ago, our genetic code was so different from today that humans were genetically smaller, then i'm sorry to tell you that you don't know a lot about evolution by natural selection. that is not meant as an insult to you. you're simply clearly misinformed. i can recommend the book THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH by Richard Dawkins, if you would like to get some better information on the topic.
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June 15, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST
The Engineers are the baddies of Street Fighter 3 and 4 !!!
by Uriel Lebrun
look : http://blogs.gamefilia.com/files/imce/u570809/nati03.jpg and http://capcom-town.es/__oneclick_uploads/2008/05/seth.jpg yeah, Im a geek.
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there is also a very good episode of BBC HORIZON called "Are we still evolving?", which explains very clearly how our evolution has pretty much come to a halt.
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June 15, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST
Michelangelo's David's simularity was laziness on the makeup guy's part
by Domi'sInnerChild
Any attempt to tie Prometheus to Christianity is freaking stupid. Why would alien DNA lead to only stupid Euros to make up a dumb religion that most of their followers would even REALLY follow. And has basically nothing to do with giant albino Hulks and penis vagina snakes. MAYBE if the penis vagina snake talked and said stuff like "HEY! Don't FUCKING pet me. Eat this apple, jackass".
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haha, if you refuse to see any connection between PROMETHEUS and christianity, then you're really blind or in denial. the whole movie is about christianity (among other things). it starts with the captain putting up the christmas tree, the whole movie taking place on christmas day, Shaw's cross, the connection to 2000 years before, and so on...
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I want to know... 1. Where's my likeness royalty check. (even if it's smaller than the one I got for Madagascar). 2. What am I supposed to do about all of the women that want a piece of me now?
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You might have a leg or two stand on if you were talking about THE AVENGERS but...you're not. You're trying to defend PROMETHEUS...a failure. My glass is quite full, pal. I drink your water.
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You said to mr. nice gaius that "there must be a new definition of 'winning' that includes being a total loser..which would be you" What exactly did he win? How can a winner be total loser? I'm confused and I suspect I'm not the only one
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June 15, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST
Fuck that shit - These albino bodybuilders is just a lazy way for Ridley to save on production costs.
by rhizomeman
The Space Jockies should have been 10 foot tall elephantine creatures that developed a way to manipulate matter in their own image. Thus the reason why everything LOOKS similar to them. I enjoyed the film but the humasn in makeup shit for the space jockey is just such a sloppy choice to obviously save money.
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Don't worry, Q is just trying to start shit by rubbing up against his betters.
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The biggest cinematic disappointment since Crystal Skull. Prometheus is a monumental failure, a true Lucas Level Event (LLE).
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As was the look of the film. Everything else was baboon feces.
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I see you beat me to the punch vis-á-vis Crystal Skull. Sorry, mate.
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Good to see you and no apologies are necessary. It was a tremendous disappointment; just like KOTCS. The only difference being that people in the theater actually laughed and booed at the end of PROMETHEUS. I haven't witnessed a reaction like that in a long time.
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June 15, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST
@brightgeist and therefore my point is proven. Prometheus has a stupid script
by Domi'sInnerChild
Why would Christianity fit any of this? Answer: Purgatory Lost Boy and his lazy writing. Why not make the Alien Queen into Satan while you're at it.
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Prometheus = Phantom Menace You all know this to be true.
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and they've been at war since the dawn of time, for reasons they don't even remember, or extremely stupid ones (like Jacob and smokey on LOST) the engineers in the robes are the 'good' guys- and they either accept their old age and death, or are self-sacrificial in creating new life and seeding planets. the organic fabric robes seem to show a more naturalistic or monkish lifestyle. they are creators. their ship was the large, classic disk shape. the 'bad' engineers are those who shun the monk life, embrace tech, so much so that they merge with it. they use tech to beat the eventual death of aging, they are cold, selfish destroyers. maybe they were infected or corrupted at some point. their ships are the crescent type. i'm probably 100% wrong, but if this gy brings any of his LOST mentality and mythos to the game, expect there to be two 'sides', neither of which are fully right or wrong...
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June 15, 2012, 6:07 p.m. CST
whatever you guys think of it, these pics show GREAT practical effects
by zom-bot.com
y'know, the kind we all bitch about being absent..it's all on display here, some of the best practical effects i've seen in years. to bad they didn't computer effects to scale the engineers up properly to the size of the corpse in ALIEN :/
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1) Jesus as a xenomorph. I can picture the manger scene... Ripley, Hicks, and Newt huddled around a little hypersleep capsule with a cute bloody chestburster nestled inside. Behind them are the three synthetic wisemen (Ash, Bishop, and David). Mulling around in the back are Parker, Brett, Hudson, Vasquez, Ron Pearlman, and some bald dudes from Fury 161. 2) Alien queen as Satan. I'm gonna go with Grendel's mother on that one. Actually Alien is a film about opening Pandora's Box, while Aliens is a futuristic retelling of Beowulf.
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...screens than Madagascar. And the film was a success in it's opening weekend here in the U.S. and has done well overseas. Pull your head out of your ass.
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June 15, 2012, 6:40 p.m. CST
Michelangelo's David's Photoshop example http://i.imgur.com/RUgOv.jpg
by Orionsangels
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They were done in CG. Those guys in prosthetic are stand-ins. http://www.awn.com/articles/visual-effects/prometheus-bringing-alien-21st-century
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"So, this med-pod's actually for Weyland? Fair enough, guess it'll have some sort of password system to stop just anyone using it then?" Or not...
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June 15, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST
@ gqsioux. I completely agree with you about the simliar "dumb" decisions in ALIEN...
by Jason
ALIEN also has its fair share of "dumb" decisions. And if you want to criticise PROMETHEUS for it contrived character actions then the same should should be said of ALIEN: - Kane touching (AN ALIEN!!) egg and then peering into it as it hatches - Something "huge" and rather menacing has just killed Brett and so what happens? the captain volunteers to climb into an enclosed area - alone! - hoping to flush the alien out (this is simple horror film 101, whereby you separate the characters so they can be picked off one by one) - and if splitting the group up that time wasn't enough, then why not do it again, with Ripley going one way and Parker and Lambert going another - Ripley goes back to get the cat (good set-up, however, for the maternal theme in ALIENS) - when the alien is ejected into space, we finally see it in its full form, and we kinda realise it's really only a man in a suit (not a "dumb" decision, but a fault I have with the film). That being said, I don't think I can accept Vickers' fatal decision to keep running along the direction that the Engineer's ship is falling. As soon as it started to fall my first thought was "run to the side". Alas, no. Anyhow, I love the film, faults and all.
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The complete and utter pointlessness of Vickers. If she hadn't been in it the film would be exactly the same.
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June 15, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST
Coming soon .Copernicus and the Pseudo-Science of Prometheus.
by DrMorbius
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Thanks! I disintegration sequence was obviously cg but I had no idea the drinking sequence was also. Unbelievable that so much money and effort was put in to create an albino bodybuilder with a loincloth. Seems like re-directing all that effort into creating giant elephantine creatures would have been time better spent. Oh well...
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June 15, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST
And the academy award for best original screenplay of a deleted scene goes to...
by seansarto
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I remember them saying a lot about how they thought they were going to find Heaven and landed on Hell. Next movie is rumored to be called Paradise. Good Engineer vs. Bad Engineer. Whoever wins, a bunch of eggs are still sitting on LV-223.
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June 15, 2012, 7:23 p.m. CST
Black goo=Jagermeister.....The prometheus...sounds like a cocktail..
by seansarto
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and that is ..... just how pissed off was Idris Elba when he found out that his sex scene with Charlize Theron was going to happen off-camera ? :-)
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June 15, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST
lol dalius! Why even talk about a sex scene that never happens or is referred to ever again?
by Mrhazard
Add that to the question pile I suppose :)
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This whole 'I hate Prometheus' thing smacks of hate-by-committee. If you went and saw the film and DURING the screening you felt the intense hatred that is being demonstrated online, I respect your opinion and I'm sorry for your disappointment. But if you saw the film and didn't know what to think, then went on a forum that was bashing the shit out of it...and then decided 'it was crap', get fucked. Seriously. Was it the film you wanted? Possibly not. You know why? You didn't fucking make it. I, for one, am not tugging my dick over fan fiction and am just happy to have seen a new Ridley Scott Sci-fi film. If you hated it, don't watch it again. I, however, will be buying that Blu-ray, straight up. I hate the fact that people are actively looking for (perceived) faults in this film and then backslapping each other when they find something that didn't fit into their version of 'logic'. What a constructive endeavour. Here is my review that I wrote before reading the vitriol online. I might be wrong, but this is what I thought minus the discussion going on now. http://thecrat.com/movie-reviews/prometheus-review-by-adam/
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June 15, 2012, 7:34 p.m. CST
But yeah, Fassbender is superb in this. No debate about it.
by Mrhazard
The best thing to come out of this movie should be more directors wanting to work with him.
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Seriously!
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I can't wait until someone photoshops in the albino at the beginning of this pic. http://wilderdom.com/evolution/HumanEvolutionSequencePictures.htm
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Albino Lord Voldemorticus, Pliopithecus, Pronconsul, Dryopithecus, Oreopithecus, Ramapithecus, Australopithecus, Paranthropus, Advanced Australopithecus, Homo Erectus, Early Homo Sapiens, Solo Man, Neanderthal Man, Cro-Magnon Man, Modern Man.
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June 15, 2012, 8:24 p.m. CST
Do these Deus Ex Machina Galactic Guys kick open the door for Borringness? Pretty Unlikely!
by even9
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You sound like idiots. Personally,I love Ridley Scott and I love the Alien films...but PROMETHEUS had problems. A lot of problems. Visually it was amazing,and the cast was great,but the script plays like a rough draft that was put into production. The story and the character beats just DO NOT WORK. Dont know if the deleted scenes/directors cut can fix that,but like I said its about a 60% awesome movie...that other 40% though? Yeesh.....
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Seriously, find yourself a carton of eggs and personally suck each one. Saw the film this evening, it's incredible--Scott's best in years. Just accept that you don't get deep cinema and go back to Tyler Perry films or Adam Sandler shit or something with a talking dog.
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"Just accept that you don't get deep cinema" Oh man, you must feel pretty good about yourself. How old are you and when are you gonna move out of your parents basement?
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June 15, 2012, 9:21 p.m. CST
I've noticed a LOT of new talkbacker handles on AICN since this movie came out.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Hmmm...
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Ten years from now when the hyperbole has died down and this film (hopefully film series) is considered a quasi-classic, at least 80 percent of the haters will either pretend to have loved the film all along or have a change of heart in regard to it. It wouldn't be the first time a Ridley Scott film has garnered poor reactions and went on to be a classic.
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June 15, 2012, 9:43 p.m. CST
It's gonna take a character development heavy extended cut and a decent sequel, red.
by Shermdawg
Too much feels cut out before and after the c-section sequence, and nearly everything in the second half is just set up for that silly ending. An ending that will be all for nothing if Vickers is dead.
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June 15, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST
this movie sounded like a bad idea from day 1. Why is anyone surprised it turned out the way it turned out?
by hank henshaw
Blade Runner with a chick will disappoint too.
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Attention: hating things in online fan forums that mainstream media does not hate in a narcissistic attempt to prove yourself cooler and supposedly more intellectual than professional critics has not been fashionably rebellious for several years now. In fact...it actually looks pretty lame. Despite the fact that you still think you're way fucking cool if you do it. Just letting you know.
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June 15, 2012, 10:09 p.m. CST
Keels - Thank you for that total bullshit contribution.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Be sure to stack it next to RedJester's vapid prediction of a future "quasi-classic"!
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June 15, 2012, 10:12 p.m. CST
Prediction: Prometheus Apologists Can't Answer The Following Questions:
by veteran_of_mu
a) How could Shaw perform all the 3rd act athletics given an abdomen held together by surgical staples? b) Even accepting that Holloway may have suffered some kind of space madness in taking off his helmet, why would a bunch of scientists behave with such total recklessness en masse? c) Why would someone spend a trillion dollars on a humanity-critical mission and then plan no coherent contact strategy beyond ~explore the first cave you find~? d) When you spend a trillion on exploring a planet whose surface features you know nothing about, why do you take along a bus and a couple of dune buggies? e) When you spend a trillion on exploring, why do you want land your FTL spacecraft on a planet where it can easily get fucked up by unknown conditions and inhabitants and strand you? f) Why do you open your heat shield on your spacecraft before re-entry instead of after? g) Why are 2 men happy to throw their lives away when they could easily join the hottest blonde in the universe for 2 years of being the only men left for her to fuck? Or if they're gay, why would they rather die than have 2 years fucking themselves? h) Why would said super-athletic and super-smart blonde not figure out that big rolling things tend to keep rolling in the same direction they started rolling? i) Why would super-intelligent engineers have no sense of curiosity whatsoever upon re-awakening from 2000 years of hypersleep?
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June 15, 2012, 10:13 p.m. CST
Message for 'mainstream' critic slurpers
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
Sucking the ass and regurgitating the OPINIONS of so-called mainstream critics has been out of vogue except for the most anally retentive and feeble-minded types who need others to tell them what to think, for a long time. Mainstream, lamestream, it is only an opinion and it means no more than any other informed opinion. Deal with it, that movie was just plain dumb and unsatisfying -but it looked great!
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June 15, 2012, 10:13 p.m. CST
Y'know, it'd be nice if we had a column on AICN for film reaction...
by Shermdawg
...that was heavily moderated to the point that any comments criticizing those that love or hate it were swiftly deleted. Don't get me wrong, I love the talkbacks, but the whole perception that people are hating just for the sake of hating is annoying as hell. Even more so when folks resort to that instead of partaking in a discussion and challenging someone's issues with a film.
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June 15, 2012, 10:22 p.m. CST
Please Don't Tell Me I'm the Only One who Saw Ridley and Damon's "Hint"
by Lesbianna_Winterlude
as to why we all need to be destroyed. Because, you know, I agree with it entirely. And the people here are only reinforcing it. Whiny old bastards don't like to think. Been watching too many comic book movies.
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I agree with caractacuspotts .. I mean, the whole thing was sold as the precursor to Alien, yet if I remember correctly wasn't the "elephant like" costume dude sitting in the seat when they go into the ship? Also, ok, nice.. they meet the engineers, but they don't get answers.. But that's no reason to show us the idiot start of the movie where one of them drink the crap and jumps in the water. Why did he drink it if he knew what would happen? Selling the whole thing has meeting our makers is fine, but not to go beyond that selling point was totally useless. Wakes up, was fine.. was ok.. looks at them.. They ask stuff he doesn't understand.. The robot asks for things.. He goes f*kking nuts and kills them.. WTF!?!?! There was absolutely no point to the movie. I was hoping for so much more from the pre-alien movie, why where they created, who created them? What happened for them to be so afraid? What happened that the experiment went wrong? Should've gone to see MIB 3.. Ridley, please don't turn to another George Lucas or Steven Spielberg who in the past years have only destroyed their prized franchises..
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I have come on here and read some of the dumbest complaints about a movie ever. The plot hole thing is getting to the point of stupid. From people complaining about this film. As far as I'm concerned there is an answer for every thing in this film, in comparison to the way ALIEN and ALIENS was made, along with characters. Alien established this universe. And we trusted it. People could have complained about the plot holes in Alien to the point of insulting the acts of characters and the writing of the script. We had thirty years to wait and find out what the Jockey was. Thirty fucking years of assuming and wondering. But instead with Prometheus we have complaining. For what reason is this? Are we complaining about the actions of the characters? Just like we complained about the actions of Kane shoving almost his entire head inside and egg? maybe he was CURIOUS? guess we are not as smart as these Engineers? considering we are (what is evident in the film) inferior failed experiment? Or was it Ripley getting the cat? or maybe her arm withstanding the vacuum of space? I dunno maybe we should ask the guys who take their helmets off on an Alien planet? Naaaaah they couldn't be trying to hint at terraforming...And how Weyland may use that tech uh later on in the universe...And what was with the murals? One was a engineer holding a beast at bay...hmmm maybe they have control of their faults. And are able to control them. So when they change they change to the new ''gods'' who could that be? Could that be fate of the new race? Well Mohawk guy in the film seemed to have something enhance the dark side of him...it seems it was still him same person but in the mindset of something dark within out own DNA. Maybe the biological goo weapon sped up his evolution and enhanced his human faults? So what is this stuff? could it be a weapon that dare I say holds up a mirror of your dark side of your race? Now is this side in it's highest evolved form a perfect organism? wonder what that looks like? Anyway I hope people see my sarcasm in this. When I watched the film I saw all these things and the ones who did actually have an imagination and a knowledge of history through sacrifice for the greater creation of a life...And we get to see the dark side of the gods. The underlining history/imagination within this film is utter entertainment and awe. I think Ridley was sifting though his fans and dividing the ones who like dare I say AVP kind of entertainment. Or the ones who like the dark gritty visceral mythology which is his ALIEN universe...I think the answer is pretty clear. I just find it funny the lack of brain power and storytelling the feed back of some of these people are giving this film. I think Ridley must be laughing somewhere at the point he proved of how tied up humans are on what ''they think they believe'' be it from the memory of what they thought his own previous film was against what it really was and meant. The thing I got out of this film personally is ''what does it mean to be human'' and this is both sides dark and good. We know the dark. Or you don't know the Alien well enough. Or the good. Hint it revolves around sacrifice.
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June 15, 2012, 10:38 p.m. CST
The problem with PROMETHEUS was it's miserable pacing and editing and clip-art score. And a retarded epilog. It could be fixed with a better cut but I seriously doubt they will.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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June 15, 2012, 10:39 p.m. CST
PROMETHEUS ends on the single most disappointing and lame shot I've ever seen in a Ridley Scott film. CGI shit monsters that pose and roar? PATHETIC.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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June 15, 2012, 10:43 p.m. CST
It doesn't matter what your story is if it's depicted like crap. Bad editing and soundtrack RUINED this film.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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June 15, 2012, 10:43 p.m. CST
(one) of the problems with prometheus was finger painting on ceiling did not come with GPS and when there are millions of galaxies, that could be a problem
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
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June 15, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST
(two) of the problems with prometheus is that Dragon girl convinces Heimdall to kill himself and his crew just because she says so and she aint even fucked him or said two words to dude!
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
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June 15, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST
End sure looked CGI. Doesn't matter what kind of effects they used, it looked silly.
by xbagboy
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June 15, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST
(three) of the problems with prometheus, the title implies greco-roman culture, apparently the engineers are just as racist as the writers, cause Asia got ignored and Ss Africa
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
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June 15, 2012, 10:57 p.m. CST
Stringer Bell killing himself to stop the Jockey from destroying Earth isn't a problem.
by Shermdawg
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June 15, 2012, 10:58 p.m. CST
Still, I have had some interesting conversations about the movie, before and after seeing it, so it's not a complete loss.
by xbagboy
I've also read some interesting ideas that they were playing around with behind the scenes, but none of them are really touched upon in the movie. Even if they were, they can't save the lack of interesting characters/plot. Del Toro needs to make At The Mountains of Madness still.
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June 15, 2012, 11:04 p.m. CST
uh, sherm? Dude offed himself and his mates just because DG said so, with no proof, and no prior relationship that you think might be needed to kill yourself on the word of another
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
how does she REALLY know that the engies plan to wipe out earth and how does she convince him to kill himself without any REAL proof and without ANY relationship between them shown in the movie other than he watched her Boo get french fried? bull fucking shit
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I can't defend a lot of choices in this film but there is some real merit to some of the themes here. About 80% of the questions people have been asking on Talkback are answered on this blog: http://crankleft.com/blog/2012/june/12/answers-to-common-prometheus-questions
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June 15, 2012, 11:31 p.m. CST
He already said he wasn't letting any of that shit get back to Earth.
by Shermdawg
He knew it was a military instillation. There's probably a plethora of cutscenes regarding Janek, his pilots, and his friendship with Shaw which was alluded to early on. I can't remember exactly how the scene with Holloway getting torched ends before we jump immediately to Shaw waking up in the medbay, but there almost has to be something cut there. I imagine Janek and Vickers argue on the ship about his death, and Shaw gets all up in her face, then collapses....but like I said, I can't remember if she collapses outside or not. That's where the problem lies, not Janek trying to save Earth.
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June 15, 2012, 11:32 p.m. CST
Is there a novelization of this out there where we can see what they may have cut out?
by Shermdawg
Do they still make those?
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June 15, 2012, 11:44 p.m. CST
if it aint in the movie you can't justify your belief that it was explained by a scene that may have been cut or may never have existed
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
You aint george lucas and even if you were greedo still did not shoot first and if no scenes in prometheus explain the characters motivations then no scene which may or may not exist anyway will matter cause ridley had full control he just fucked it up cant blame editor or studio
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June 16, 2012, 12:01 a.m. CST
captain of the ship sacrificing himself in an altruistic fashion
by Monnie Knapp
C'mon guys it's not that hard to figure out. The crew even rallies around him. His concern, at that particular point in his existence, is the entirety of humanity.
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June 16, 2012, 12:10 a.m. CST
ill just bet you loved jj trek cause it had same type of blowtarded coincidences
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
And sacrifing life only makes sense if he had proof earth was target and why defuck would he not put crew in lifeboat.
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June 16, 2012, 12:17 a.m. CST
Screw all you guys, it's still in the cat and this movie was a dream
by Domi'sInnerChild
Giant albinos in elephant suits? Penis Vagina Snakes? FAKE! Planet covered in lice and reformed monk/convicts. FAKE! Cheer's Carla's husband running a Ripley cloning operation resulting in a squeeling hybrid baby alien. FAKE! Aliens fighting Predators on current day Earth. FAKE! When is Cameron going to be done making his Smurf movies and make Aliens 2 anyway?
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June 16, 2012, 12:19 a.m. CST
greco roman centric bullshit that ignores the rest of the developed planet
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
Racist ignorant western hem-centric bullshit that cant disguise itself as deep other than it sucked like linda lovelace
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The ship was carry dangerous shit, the map was laid out for Earth. The Jockey had just killed everyone aboard. That's all the proof he needed. And at that point, how many people besides Vickers nad the pilots were still alive? There wasn't much time to warn anyone, and if some of the security crew had been alerted to his plans, they might've helped Vickers to stop them from ramming the ship. Of all of the script's problems, and this is the one you're the most hung up on? C'mon man.
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Prometheus is a movie I can rip to shreds in terms of its story. Many already have, and I generally agree with them. But I actually enjoyed it. The visual style, the atmosphere, the acting, all of the stylistic elements were perfect. But the script sucked. It still didn't ruin it for me. They ALMOST give a good explanation for the xeno. The engineer at the first part drinks the goo and disintegrates because his cells have all become autonomous organisms. Thus the planet is seeded with new life. Holloway drinks it and undergoes a similar process. However in his case the only surviving member of his body is a sperm cell. This creates an organism that is essentially an autonomous reproductive cycle. This ties in well with the Alien theme of reproductive/sexual horror. The problem is that the goo causes other organisms to mutate in ways that aren't consistent with this. Fifield regresses to an ape-like form, the worms turn into face-hugger snakes. Doesn't make much sense. So as it stands the movie doesn't explain ANYTHING in a way that really counts as an explanation, and it just introduces a lot of questions which are not answered. On another note, the 3d is perfect. I really don't like 3D usually. Even Avatar was just OK. But the 3D in this movie blew my mind. It made the picture clearer and the action more involving. It really made the whole experience more immersive. I've never seen 3D that actually seemed to justify its own existence, and in general I wish the fad would die out. I don't think anybody can do 3D like Scott. I'm surprised more people haven't mentioned this.
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June 16, 2012, 12:28 a.m. CST
he stated, earlier in the picture, to Shaw that he would not allow any of that shit to reach Earth
by Monnie Knapp
Then when she said it was headed toward Earth, he believed her. Listen. I'm just a giant wolf monster... but I get this film. I took the ride. I too thought "why didn't she just dodge to the side?" I struggled with the whole, "wouldn't a biologist not want to interfere with the alien species?" conundrum. Yet, can we not attribute these choices to a consistant history of bad choices being made by many of you not-so-hirsute, non-wolfy, hominid types? Many people die, every day, due to their own spur of the moment decisions.
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Fiefeld was dead, most likely from the acid. If he had been alive, they would've brought him back to the ship. Both his carcass and the worms were mutated by skin to goo contact, Holloway and the Jockey, however...injested it.
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June 16, 2012, 12:32 a.m. CST
"Listen. I'm just a giant wolf monster... but I get this film."
by Shermdawg
lol.
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June 16, 2012, 12:33 a.m. CST
nah, Shermie, that is not my biggest gripe with it, I posted three examples above and you picked the least of them to respond to so i just responded back
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
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June 16, 2012, 12:36 a.m. CST
we are being introduced to the ecology of the Alien universe
by Monnie Knapp
Just fucking go with it guys. There will be more films.
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also claim to have seen it multiple times. I think Trolling has become more of an exercise in just being contrary to whatever popular consensus is. If one thinks the film is such utter shite, then why pay several times to sit through the two plus hour run time. Gluttons for torture? I for one loved it, I also agree with Macheesmo3 everything is in there if you pay attention, it's just not overt.
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June 16, 2012, 12:49 a.m. CST
The (shitty) logic tree that Heimdall must have used to kill himself with no proof
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
some scientists saw some caveman paintings on roof saying stop by for a visit and some beer managed to scan Millions of galaxies and found a star system that looks just like caveman drawings made thousands of years ago punched it into the GPS and drove trillions of miles had some dumbshit scientist remove his helmet and got infected (he never knew it was the robot who did it) and was about to let him back on the ship, when the other (suspected) robot he banged fried his ass Fried boys Boo shed some tears and said maybe three words to him in whole movie because a picture of earth shows up on the engies computer - the same engies who are suspected of being yo daddy, we immediately jump to conclusion that the killing shit MUST be bound for EARTH no other possible explanation because there is a PICTURE of earth! aint we LUCKY that caveman drawings from thousands of years ago led us to a moon were we stumbled onto a plot to kill our planet but was foiled by the virus killing the engies, only now that we arrived we triggered the virus again and we woke up the last engie who will go to earth to complete the mission - or maybe not, but fried boys boo says so and because she says so Heimdall will ram him! yeah, makes perfect sense
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And take the chance that it won't head for Earth destroying it and killing all of your loved ones in the process?
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The script was dire trite. I've seen some explanations as to what it possibly meant, but all of them are shit, just like the script. Stop making excuses for this horrible script and accept that this could've been an amazing film if it wasn't for the ridiculously large plot holes that can be seen from space!
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June 16, 2012, 12:59 a.m. CST
Jesus the Engineer ... there's some provocative stuff right there
by ReportAbuse
Though the thought has incited a lot of facepalming and hilarity among the geeknoscenti, it could make one interesting and controversial (= free publicity) sequel. Imagine if the miracles of multiplying the bread, creating the wine, and the event of the last supper, were opportunities used by Engineer Jesus to surreptitiously distribute the black goo, turning all his followers into unknowing vehicles for xenomorphs and so forth. At the Rapture, the chest-bursters all pop out. Pandemonium!
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June 16, 2012, 12:59 a.m. CST
remember when I was laying on the ground? Lost and confused?
by Monnie Knapp
What was it that led me to understand that the boy who stood before me was indeed Atreyu? Cave paintings, that's what. So don't you try to tell me that cave paintings don't mean shit. They do. They do indeed.
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June 16, 2012, 1:01 a.m. CST
Ridley Scott minus innovation minus ambiguity minus risk taking
by gaygoonie
equals James "Mc Donalds" Cameron, the audience pleaser! Prometheus is perfectly imperfect. Haters need to go watch Two and a Half Men or Fast Five.
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June 16, 2012, 1:02 a.m. CST
So, an alien race that created us, or maybe a splinter of one, REALLY wants us dead, and crashing one of their ships will stop the plot?
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
Ok, here is the explanation. I thought of this my own lil self but Ridley can have it. The cave paintings were from another faction of the engies and were designed to point us to the weapons depot of the faction that wanted us dead, but we would only be able to decipher the location after we had advanced enough to build a space ship capable of FTL and the hope was that once we got there thousands of years later we would know what to do to stop this other faction and their weapon that lay dormant and the faction that left the message with no damn space directions or GPS, obviously had other things to do and could not be bothered to stop the other faction or tell anyone else on their planet about it who might have done something
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I know it's the easy way to proclaim that the haters of this film didn't "get" the movie, but it's simply not true in enough cases for it to be a valid excuse. I understood the film perfectly and still hated it. Prometheus was just as stupid as AvP (yeah, I went there) but is more offensive because it's pretending to be smarter than it is. Those of you defending the "genius" of this film are doing nothing but perpetuating its pretentiousness.
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June 16, 2012, 1:08 a.m. CST
shermdawg yes they still make those and no there is not a novelization of prometheus (yet?)
by DarthBlart
there is a new conan movie one, a battleship one, cabin in the woods
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June 16, 2012, 1:09 a.m. CST
The cave paintings came before they turned on us (for crucifying Jockey Jesus).
by Shermdawg
LV-223 may not have always been "hell", a biological weapons factory meant for our destruction, or a trap for those of us that found it. It may have just been a neutral meeting destination to gauge our intentions and development before leading us on to heaven. Purgatory, if you will.
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Ridley Scott fucked up his own canon as bad as George Lucas did.
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I'll bite....... a) How could Shaw perform all the 3rd act athletics given an abdomen held together by surgical staples? -She actually spends a good chunk of the last act staggering around a bit and shows signs of fatigue and pain. It can also be explained by either the medical techniques utilized by the medi-pod in conjunction with adrenaline. But really, if you want to get there, most films have unbelievable feats of strength, I wouldn't torpedo an entire film on something like this. b) Even accepting that Holloway may have suffered some kind of space madness in taking off his helmet, why would a bunch of scientists behave with such total recklessness en masse? -Because the machinations of Weyland really only wanted guinea pigs and not necessarily top scientists. You assume that these people are the top of the game, but really in watching them, they are a mix of truckers and people in it for the money. Save for Shaw and Holloway, and his personality is set up such that he's kind of an arrogant douche so it's not a huge logic jump he'd do something stupid. Besides top scientists would be more cautious and be much harder prey for the coming "experiments". c) Why would someone spend a trillion dollars on a humanity-critical mission and then plan no coherent contact strategy beyond ~explore the first cave you find~? If one was paying attention, it wasn't a "humanity-critical" mission at the end of the day. Sure for Holloway and Shaw it was, for the rest of the crew it was a paycheck, and for the person spending the Trillions, it was solely for the purpose of making him immortal. That's why David was very proactive in everything he did, he was the only one who knew the real mission to 100% of what Weyland wanted, thus was more focused and on top of things than anyone else. d) When you spend a trillion on exploring a planet whose surface features you know nothing about, why do you take along a bus and a couple of dune buggies? Those are the only vehicles we see, plus they do not go into how much pre-knowledge they have on a corporate level. Petty complaint if you ask me. e) When you spend a trillion on exploring, why do you want land your FTL spacecraft on a planet where it can easily get fucked up by unknown conditions and inhabitants and strand you? The same reason they landed the Nostromo on LV426, never mind you'd have to be armored against pretty much anything with that kind of intergalactic space travel, especially when you're on auto-pilot for two years. But really, you're assuming a lack of prior corporate knowledge simply because it wasn't spelled out to you in the film, again, petty complaint. f) Why do you open your heat shield on your spacecraft before re-entry instead of after? Once again, the amount of shielding and protection needed for interstellar travel can easily overcome this argument. And frankly, is this really something to turd the movie on, they did it because the director wanted a cool shot at the end of the day. g) Why are 2 men happy to throw their lives away when they could easily join the hottest blonde in the universe for 2 years of being the only men left for her to fuck? Or if they're gay, why would they rather die than have 2 years fucking themselves? Selfless sacrifice, just because you have a sex obsession doesn't mean they haven't aged beyond sex being the sole motivator for their actions. Maybe they have family back home and the thought of them dying a gruesome death at the hands of the Engineers was worth taking out the ship for them. h) Why would said super-athletic and super-smart blonde not figure out that big rolling things tend to keep rolling in the same direction they started rolling? You're implying an IQ to a character who is really just a corporate shill, she's along on the mission because Daddy is on the ship. She's more in line with Burke from Aliens than anything else. And well, we know Burke's logic jumps (hmm, I can go with the guys with the guns, or lock them out of the room and try and fight it out all by myself with no weapons.) i) Why would super-intelligent engineers have no sense of curiosity whatsoever upon re-awakening from 2000 years of hypersleep? He doesn't snap untill Weyland's people turn violent towards Shaw and start barking orders at him. If you want to theorize on it Shaw at the time is doubled over-also an answer to your earlier question- this could be perceived as bowing to someone expecting to be honored in such a fashion and not knowing what happened beforehand (i.e. the abdominal wound). She is in a bowed position asking questions, not in any kind of anger, then Weyland's men put the pimp slap to her and begin having David ask him for something in a long dead language (probably how to make Weyland immortal) and then he snaps. It's highly probable that whatever David asked simply pissed the guy off. So there ya go buddy.
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June 16, 2012, 1:18 a.m. CST
Shermdawg, I am Jewish Bubbeh, that whole Jesus thing don't wash with me
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
Ya think that a race that is smart enough to engineer a whole other sentient race would also realize that it would not be a monolithic thinking or monotheistic believing race? ya think that such an advanced race would never have put all their eggs in one basket? ya think maybe that the writers and Ridley are so western centric that they forgot that other VERY large and VERY old cultures exist on this planet that have never believed in the Judeo-Christian or even Islamic gods and damn sure not the greco-roman mythology? ya think ol Rids made the same mistake Lucas did when he forgot that other races and beliefs exist?
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The sequel in the right writers hands.....as long as that rumor that they've already filmed it isn't true...could make some sense out of what LV-233 was. I mean, they've already did a good job of explaining why the derelict crashed on LV-426 without actually showing it, it's just all that other bullshit leading up to the new Xeno seemed rather pointless when it would've been better spent on character development and the Jockeys. But until I see a extended cut or the sequel, I'm not gonna totally write this off....even though I'm not that happy with it at the moment. This is nowhere near the level of disappointment that the prequels or Crystal Skull was, because at this point there's still the chance it could be fixed. It's a relatively small chance though.
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June 16, 2012, 1:30 a.m. CST
@Jewish Shaq, that might be why they backed off that plot point.
by Shermdawg
They could very well spin it that Christianity itself was what pissed them off, and Jesus was a rogue Jockey or some shit. Hell, they may even cover the origins of other religions in the sequel, we don't know. It would've been nice if they had gave us more to go on instead of the monster bullshit, but it just leaves more for the next film.
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June 16, 2012, 1:35 a.m. CST
Oh come on man! That's like saying 'Battlefield Earth II would polish the shit of the first movie into something other than a turd but we just don't know because it has not been made!'
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
Every bad movie ever made could make the same claim you just made for the possible sequel to prometheus, every last one. that is some mighty fine tap dancing you are doing .
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He goes from dude that doesnt give a fuck, who just flies the ship, who ignores and laughs off his partners' cries for help as they have to spend the night in an unknown alien planet, who just wants to play his squeezebox and squeeze Charlize Theron's box (cant blame him for that)... one second... to HONORABLE MAAAAAN! who wants to help others at all costs, who will sacrifice his life to do the right thing and save the human race from annihilation by any means necessary!!!!! A character can change and develop but you should at least see WHY he changes and how he develops. It shouldn't just happen. Most of my complaints with this film have nothing to do with the ambiguity of it (I dont need everything explained to me and I hate movies that spoonfeed the audience like they're morons. Leaving something to the imagination is fine.) but this story was just not told well. Period. Also, you dont introduce random plot points one second and reveal why they were introduced the very next scene (i.e. the "I cant give birth" scene.... Hmmmm I wonder what happens after she sleeps with the guy that WAS JUST INFECTED WITH AN ALIEN VIRUS THE LAST SCENE!!!!!!!!!!!!) I'm no literary expert... far from it. But that's just lazy writing IMHO. And this is coming from a fan of LOST and Lindelof. Like I said before, Prometheus isnt a bad movie. It's also not a very good movie.
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June 16, 2012, 1:43 a.m. CST
@Shermdawg I admire your defence mate but hardly any of your answers can be reached by WATCHING THE FILM -
by Fortunesfool
They require having read something on the internet that very few people knew about until the film came out. Nothing is explained within the narrative, which is why it fails, and is why people are nitpicking the silly stuff. We just weren't engaged in the story and characters. its a badly written TV pilot.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0 Hilarious...
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June 16, 2012, 1:48 a.m. CST
It's only bad (at the moment) because too much is seemingly cut out...
by Shermdawg
....and the drive of the film seems to be catering to the Alien fans rather than those expecting something different. This may be fixed once the bluray drops, and when the sequel comes out, it may work better as the first chapter in a bigger story. I myself wasn't a huge fan of Fellowship until after the Trilogy was complete. I'm not saying that Prometeus is anywhere near that level, but if we're given the stuff that looks to have been cut out, we get a reason for the new xenomorph with Vickers somehow avoiding death, and more elaboration as to why we were created and why we pissed them off, then yes it could turn out to be good in retrospect. While I don't care for the moive as a whole at this point, there's enough that I do like that has me hoping they get their shit together.
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June 16, 2012, 1:49 a.m. CST
And even though they tried to cater to the Alien fans, they still failed given the subpar creature designs and lack of terror.
by Shermdawg
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June 16, 2012, 1:53 a.m. CST
Ridley had decades to think about this and he fucked it up, so why would he be able to 'fix' it mere months after on Blu-Ray?
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
No, it may get longer, it will not get any better
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What answers? We're given the date, we're shown the fossilized remains of the Jockeys, we're told it's a military instillation and it's housing weapons, we're told they want to destroy Earth. We're shown that the classic Xenomorphs are unrelated to the new one outside of the goo being the catalyst for the original hugger. We're given enough justification for Janek to ram the Jockey ship out of the sky. All in the movie.
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Fiefeld was a dick, they never called for help, and there was a storm. Not much he could do but laugh it off. We're talking about the safety of a couple crewman in a presumably deserted temple and the destruction of Earth. I agree with you though that the revelation of Shaw's inability to have children though, I hated the fact that they felt that and her noticing the med pod earlier in the film was even necessary.
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What the fuck happened?
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June 16, 2012, 2:07 a.m. CST
Kingdom of Heaven's director's cut improved upon the heavily criticized theatrical cut.
by Shermdawg
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June 16, 2012, 2:07 a.m. CST
Someone said it earlier, but ill repeat it. Ridley drank same kool aid as the W's with Matrix and believes his own bullshit
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
Just because you believe your own pseudo-religious claptrap don't make it so - and it damn sure won't work as a narrative in a movie when you have no real story to tell and are hoping that some are blinded by your bullshit - and awesome special effects
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June 16, 2012, 2:09 a.m. CST
The Space Jockey is still cool, he just doesn't look like Mr.Snuffleupagus
by Shermdawg
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They had to get the origins of the xenomorph out of the way with this one before they could move on with the real tale.
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June 16, 2012, 2:11 a.m. CST
Shermdawg, you seem like a decent sort, but you are working harder to rationalize this movie than Ridley did in making it
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
i'm not saying to give over, but you are working overtime and it dont deserve it, like dude up above said, none of your defense can be seen by watching the movie, there are some bits but they are in pieces and the pieces don't fit
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June 16, 2012, 2:15 a.m. CST
So Prometheus was innovative, ambiguous and risk taking?
by Volllllume3
What the fuck? It was a well directed movie with a piece of shit script on top of horrible acting. It has plot holes so big you can fly the derelict spacecraft through. I fucking HOPE Cameron could take over this franchise again. At least he wouldn't hire that fucking hack Lindelof.
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June 16, 2012, 2:15 a.m. CST
Watchmen Directors Cut made even less sense than theatrical. So what your point? And Ridley had decades to get the story straight
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
If a DC comes out, it would be a slap in the face and an indictment and i also doubt it will be any better just longer
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June 16, 2012, 2:18 a.m. CST
What do you mean none of my defense can be seen by watching the movie?
by Shermdawg
They tell us how the Xenomorphs were created and how it linked up to the crash on LV-426. I mean they're like HEY, SEE THESE FOSSILIZED JOCKEY SKELETONS? THESE FOSSILIZED JOCKEY SKELETONS WITH THEIR CHEST BURSTED OUT? THESE FOSSILIZED JOCKEY SKELETONS WITH THEIR CHEST BURSTED OUT THAT ARE 2,000 YEARS OLD? Y'KNOW, LIKE THE ONE IN ALIEN? THE ONE IN ALIEN THAT WAS CARRY A SHIPMENT OF EGGS?
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June 16, 2012, 2:22 a.m. CST
My last point for tonight. Of course Heimdall did not want virus taken back live to earth, that is what suspended animation would have been used for
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
It still gave no motivation for him to believe DG about the ship going to earth
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June 16, 2012, 2:24 a.m. CST
"Watchmen Directors Cut made even less sense than theatrical."
by Shermdawg
Uh, no.
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It's the least confusing decision made in the whole movie. NEEDS OF THE MANY OUT WEIGH THE NEEDS OF THE FEW, GOD DAMMIT.
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"Remember when the Space Jockey was cool? What the fuck happened?" by volllllume3
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June 16, 2012, 2:49 a.m. CST
The film was anti-Ridley. Usually you're looking for character development, deep plot, slow pacing - but no. None of this in PROMETHEUS.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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June 16, 2012, 2:51 a.m. CST
It's even worse when you realize that half the film built up to that point sacrificing character development and a cohesive narrative.
by Shermdawg
And unless there's some reason to be on LV-223 in the next one, it was all a waste.
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What a fucking, corn-studded turd of a movie. Great visuals, but TERRIBLE story and writing. Simply awful. Truly one of the biggest disappointments in a long time.
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Someone mentioned this in one of the other talkbacks, that this film was originally supposed to be a two part Alien prequel with a budget of $250 million. It later morphed into Prometheus with a budget half that size. It had an extra long closed set shoot of seven months. Several locations they filmed at supposedly weren't seen in the movie. The movie ends with a url which leads to more viral marketing videos hyping up 10/11/12....which most likely is the dvd/bluray release date, but when has anyone hyped up the date of a dvd/bluray release? Did Ridley already film the second film essentially making this a Kill Bill type deal and we'll be getting an out of nowhere teaser trailer on that date?
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Spot on.
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Give it up. The film is a disaster.
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June 16, 2012, 3 a.m. CST
shermdawg: If they actually already filmed the sequel and managed to sneak that by us that would be fucking awesome.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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June 16, 2012, 3 a.m. CST
Because even crap films from Ridley are better than good ones from other so-called directors.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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I'm just saying with a director's cut and sequel, we may warm up to it a bit more in the grand scheme of the tale they may end up telling.
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June 16, 2012, 3:01 a.m. CST
And this movie really was conceived as 2 parts. To open a movie with a chick carrying a bag with an android head in it and piloting a Space Jockey ship is crazy.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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June 16, 2012, 3:04 a.m. CST
Proof Lindelof knows fuck all about the art of screenwriting
by kwisatzhaderach
Clanger after fucking clanger. Worst use of the 'idiot plot' i've seen in ages. "Hey, we've just come out of an alien environment with crazy looking canisters and a big fuck-off head. Let's have sex!"
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It makes Blade Runner look even more like a masterpiece.
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June 16, 2012, 3:07 a.m. CST
If we need a "director's cut" for it to be good, then it wasn't a successful movie, was it?
by Queefer Sutherland
If the movie you release doesn't serve the story, and you must release a longer version in hopes of rescuing it, YOUR MOVIE SUCKS!!! The theatrical version SHOULD have been able to deliver something satisfactory. Don't tell me it will make more sense and be a better film once I see some extra scenes. A pile of turds is larger than a couple of turds, but it's all still shit.
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June 16, 2012, 3:09 a.m. CST
I dunno, I'd still probably want to bang Noomie after coming out of that temple.
by Shermdawg
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It ended after two hours. And I never have to see it again.
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You're also the guy who kept seeing subliminal pics of Venom in Spidey 3 ads, God bless ya. A small nitpick: it takes a lot longer than 2000 years for something to fossilize. While we're on the subject of AvP, did you notice that Prometheus basically lifted scenes and ideas wholesale from Anderson's movie? Because fuck me if I can tell the difference between the briefing scenes in both movies. Also, both movies have a nerdy scientist trying to be friendly with a tough guy who gives him a hard time before both get separated from the main group, bond and finally get attacked by monsters. Just fucking terrible. Bottom line, however, is that no amount of secret sequels or extended versions will make the Space Jockeys mysteriously cool and alien again, much less fix everything else wrong with the flatulent, idiotic mess that is Prometheus. You do get an A+ for your spirited defense even if it is pointless, friendo.
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June 16, 2012, 3:17 a.m. CST
Is it alright if I bitch a little bit? I hate how the rescue party for the lost red shirts...
by Shermdawg
....was just an awkward excuse of a plot point to get Holloway back to the cargo bay. Yeah, we get that Vickers arguing about letting him on the ship is a nod to Alien and showing where Ripley faltered, but having him brought back aboard and having Shaw actually make the decision to euthanize him in the med bay after trying to save him would've been more beneficial to both their characters. The most I can hope for with a directors cut is there's some big argument between Vickers, Janek, and Shaw that was cut. As it stands, Holloway's death left no impact at all.
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The goo still doesn't behave consistently. Now we have disintegration, mutation, and reanimation? And I can't see any reason why it would matter whether the contact was internal or external, since it seems to act directly on whatever cells it contacts. And why would Fifeild become apelike if he was reanimated?
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June 16, 2012, 3:21 a.m. CST
doc, yeah they blatantly lifted stuff from all of the other films...
by Shermdawg
...including the ones Ridley supposedly had disavowed. And I swear to go there was something in the clouds in that Spidey 3 poster!
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June 16, 2012, 3:27 a.m. CST
"And why would Fifeild become apelike if he was reanimated?"
by Shermdawg
Something different. We're used to zombies that can run, they just kicked it up a notch. Though there was no reason for it to have even existed in the first place given, it further complicates the nature of the goo, it was ridiculous they would even open the door for him, and the fact that it wasn't even that good of an action scene.
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I'd just like to point out that a movie about talking animals crushed the FUCK out of this... All I have to say is, Dah-Dah-dah-Dah-dah-Dah Dah Dah Dah DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAh! Afro Circus, afro, Circus, Polka-Dot, Polka-Dot, Afro CIRCUS you FUCKS! The movie wasn't deep, it was fucking stupid, it didn't give me wonder or awe... morelike Aaaawwwwwwwww, crap... LOL... Pretencious piece of shit... Fassbender did great work, Otherwise DVD this bargian bin piece of shit so all these Alien Fanboys can jerk it to Charlieze Theron already...
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Wasn't a Cliffhanger, It didn't make me want to see more, It made me want to GOUGE the FUCK out of my eyes to prevent curiosity from getting the better of me and seeing the shitty seqeul they're going to crap out... i mean if GHOSTRIDER can get a sequel, you KNOW this piece of shit will... In the end, the people defending this film are going to be right.... next to Ridley Scott in Hell watching this piece of shit for eternity... :D
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June 16, 2012, 3:44 a.m. CST
"I'd just like to point out that a movie about talking animals crushed the FUCK out of this"
by Shermdawg
Thanks for pointing something any sane person would've predicted. Kid's movie vs. (unnecessary) R-rated movie. Kid's movie is likely to win out every time, especially if it's the latest of a popular series.
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A documentary on the making of the documentary of making Madagascar 3....
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be earth.... http://whatculture.com/film/ridley-scott-reveals-prometheus-secrets-ruins-sequel.php despite the bad writing i'd take my hat off to them if they already shot the sequel in secret for 10-11-12
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then i assume he was written by spaihts and lindelof added all the shit we hate.
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June 16, 2012, 4:17 a.m. CST
OK, I DID NOT LIKE IT BECAUSE OF SOME STUPID SHIT. However, now I realize WHY they did what they did, and I can enjoy the film
by the Green Gargantua
I liked all the cool stuff, ancient aliens, mythology, technology etc. The scientists were very UNsciency though. Dr Shaw's douchebag biologist boyfriend? I am sorry that "bro" seems more like the guy working the bungee jump or zip line at some tourist trap than a scholar. Also, I have to wonder if the real geologist is rotting in his locker back on earth, c'mon angry chicken shit mohawk guy, really??... The other science guy sticking his face into space snakes? WTF? SO I came up with an answer to all of this and Ridley Scott should send me a freaking check for this solution. Vickers (Charlize) hired all these retards (she mentioned it in the film) BECAUSE they were without a doubt going to fuck the whole thing up and that is pretty much what she wanted right? If not for her inability to run sideways she would be kicking herself on LV 223 for this choice watching her robro's head take off in the magic horse shoe with Dr. Shaw (who is obviously the party since she apparently has thee most powerful drugs in the universe ).
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People keep saying it crushed Prometheus, not really when you think about it. It opened on almost a thousand more theaters, it's per theater take was less. So if they opened with the same amount of theaters Prometheus would have beat it. Never mind that G/PG rated films always do better than R rated films at the box office especially during summer.
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June 16, 2012, 4:37 a.m. CST
Approx 50% of viewers never realized this was a different planet...
by FlandersBum
...and walk away wondering why the Space Jockey didn't die from a chestburster while sitting in his big ol chair. The marketing made this look so much like a direct prequel, plenty of folks missed the part about this being a completely different planet/ship. I know I would have enjoyed this movie more without the ads giving away all of the important/good stuff.
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June 16, 2012, 4:56 a.m. CST
Yeh, all that character development in Alien...maybe go watch it again morons. Or better yet, read the script..
by quantize
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June 16, 2012, 4:56 a.m. CST
Hating Prometheus : the new hipster douchbage trolling trend..
by quantize
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June 16, 2012, 4:57 a.m. CST
Thanks to Prometheus threads I've also learnt that Sunshine, Moon, District 9 and Blade Runner are all apparently either crap or (wait for it) OVERRATED films
by quantize
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It baffles my mind when certain Atheists are quick cast aspersions on those who believe in the idea of a Creator (Intelligent Design), but yet are quick to buy into the idea that Aliens exist and Alien "seeding" is an actual possibility to our origin. There is absolutely no proof of Extraterrestrial life - the ole "Fermi Paradox." What I do know is we have no unambiguous solution to the problem of the origin of DNA ... as well as its conversion into a hereditary substrate. There is no satisfactory explanation of the evolution of the protein-synthesizing mechanism. I'm open to the existence of both.
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"Everything's not spelled out in black and white! IT SUUUUUUCKS"
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Every one of those movies you mentioned range from very good to great. Prometheus is neither. It's a pretentious, hollow and smug film.
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I've noticed this increasingly desperate ploy among you Prometheus defenders. You seem to labor under the notion that those of us who hated it either don't understand it or are bemoaning the lack of exposition. While this may true of some, using it as a blanket statement for all of us is simply wrong. If you truly believe that Prometheus is worthy of taking its place alongside Alien and Blade Runner then you are deluding yourself. Believe me, I lived through the butthurt of Phantom Menace and Crystal Skull so I know how hard it is to face up to the merciless truth. In fact, those two movies made it easier for me to see Prometheus for what it truly is much sooner than I probably would have otherwise.
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Danny Boyle learned more from Alien and Blade Runner than Ridley Scott did.
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June 16, 2012, 6:09 a.m. CST
No one wanted PROMETHEUS to rock more than I did. That's why it's such a big letdown - It's far below the calibur of Ridley's capabilities.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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June 16, 2012, 6:11 a.m. CST
It isn't like people are hating on PROMETHEUS just to hate. Most of us are Ridley Scott fans and wanted it to rock!
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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June 16, 2012, 6:11 a.m. CST
Don't understand how people can say haters exist for this - like people are just specifically hating for the sake of hating. No, we all really wanted this movie to rock.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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June 16, 2012, 6:15 a.m. CST
I was actually shocked at how bad the movie was. Incoherant in certain parts. Just a mess editing wise.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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maybe there are two factions of Engineers with different ships, but BILLIONS of years would've passed if it is indeed Earth that they're seeding...so it makes total sense that a ship from billions of years ago looks different to what they've got "now".
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There's usually two reasons for doing this: 1) Being genuinely awestruck by what one has witnessed and having one's imagination ignited to the possibilities "out there". (See 2001: A Space Odyssey) 2) Inventing shit just to desperately make something coherent and/or deeper than it actually is. (See Prometheus, Matrix 2 & 3, Star Wars prequels)
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I mentioned this before in another tb but nobody seemed to give a shit so I'll say it again. At the comic con conference there is a video interview with Ridley and Noomi in front of the waterfall in Iceland (link below). But, I believe the exterior planet scenes with Noomi were all shot in Scotland NOT iceland. What was Noomi doing in Iceland? Shooting scenes for the sequel??!! Just a thought. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL2bJclcI4A
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Makes me wonder still, was the guy committing suicide as an act of execution for something he had done, the way the ancient Greeks had to ingest poison hemlock? Or was the guy sacrificing himself as an act of creation? Were we accidental or intentional? I'm glad the movie doesn't tell us.
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June 16, 2012, 6:51 a.m. CST
Talkbackers are stupid, quantize. That goes for everyone out there.
by D.Vader
Its a sad state of affairs for true movie fans when the rest of the so called "geeks" waste time and energy declaring and spitting that if a movie is not absolutely perfect, then it must be crap. Total crap. There's no leeway, no discussion, no debate. Its either perfect, or its crap. Gimme a break.
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Again so everyone sees it. What was Noomi doing in Iceland? Her exteriors in the movie were shot in Scotland! Was she filming scenes for the sequel? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL2bJclcI4A
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June 16, 2012, 6:59 a.m. CST
Oh noes! I didn't get *EVERY SINGLE ANSWER* in this movie! Its TERRIBLE!
by D.Vader
Just like Alien! Where we didn't get an answer for what that damn Space Jockey was, where it was going, and where the Alien eggs came from! That movie is fucking TERRIBLE and needs a real writer!
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June 16, 2012, 7:05 a.m. CST
vader: IT ISN'T ABOUT NOT GETTING ANSWERS THAT MAKES IT SUCK! It's the incoherent pace and editing and a stupid end that feels tacked on and is completely un-Ridley Scott.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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June 16, 2012, 7:07 a.m. CST
Again - I am a huge ALIEN and Ridley Scott fan and I believe these things could possibly be fixed in a better cut... But I doubt they'll do it as Ridley has already said he like how it is.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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June 16, 2012, 7:08 a.m. CST
I'm sure they'll never omit that stupid CGI monster posing and roaring in the end - the film leaves on a terrible note. Just cutting that alone would make me much happier.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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June 16, 2012, 7:10 a.m. CST
I think the opening scene pretty much sets the tone of the film
by donkey_lasher
A WTF moment. A lot of the haters here wanted to be spoon fed answers, and cry stupid when they aren't The idiots that are trolling these forums, bashing the film, are completely oblivious to the fact that it has created a LOT of discussion. Simplifying the film doesn't make you look smarter.
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One of the stupidest complaints about this film ever. The ending didn't have an alien chestburster. And it was pretty obvious what was going to happen as soon as the Engineer was attacked. Perhaps we should have just stuck with the engineer and waited for the Alien to pop out instead of seeing what happened to Shaw and David. For Fucks Sake.
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Another stupid complaint. The pace changed once in the film. 'Incoherent Pace' doesn't even make fucking sense anyway.
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Rarely does a film have a talkback that isn't full of frothing-at-the-mouth vitriol.
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June 16, 2012, 7:19 a.m. CST
It's hilarious how "fans" are pulling theories and explanations out thin air (their asses) to somehow justify the million plotholes this pos has.
by Volllllume3
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that's the problem with this film. yes it has (a few) unanswered questions. no problem with that. do i care what the answers are? nope... nothing to care about in this film at all. it's lost all over again... how many years did people waste on 4815162342.com posting pages and pages of theories and it was all for nothing.... nothing... nothing.... .. . ..
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thanks for being another stupid cunt using the term spoonfed. man, what a fucking cunt.... stupid fucking cunt.... can't even believe cunts like you exist.... fuck.... this film really has brought out the superior "you just don't get it" douchebags huh...
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Seeing as you're someone who believes 'Prometheus' to be an example of "deep cinema", perhaps you could rattle off a paragraph or three about the "deep" subject matter in the movie. You know, for the people who were - IYO, presumably - "too dumb" to recognize it as it flew over their micro-skulled heads?
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That's utterly ridiculous. It's the fact that they KILLED so much of the mystery in Alien in such a hamfisted way that sucks, not that Prometheus itself is mysterious, because it fucking isn't. Or maybe you're happy with the fact that the space jockeys are humans and that the Alien creatures are simply the random product (one of millions of possible variations, apparently) of a sinister black goo that seems to have every magic property the script calls for in order to move the narrative forward?
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Iceland isn't actually covered in ice. The exteriors shot were primarily on the black volcanic sand covered plateaus of Iceland -- the very same ones seen in Prometheus. No proof, in other words.
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...that so many of the kool-aid drinkers here are desperately (and hilariously) praying for a super-secret sequel to have been made which redeems Prometheus? As if the comparisons to the Star Wars prequels weren't enough without this new Sifo Dyas bullshit. Jesus people, wake the fuck up. Ridley did a Lucas-Wachowski.
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June 16, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST
ONE THING I REALLY WISH THEY WOULD HAVE DONE IS TO HAVE MADE THE ENGINEERS BIGGER, LIKE THE PILOT IN ALIEN... HE WAS HUGE...
by Astronut
Imagine how we would have been blown away at the sight of 12 foot high engineers? And while I am not utterly offended at the sight of the waxy, white engineers, I would have much rather seen them done as stand-alone 12 foot tall creatures towering over the humans... creatures, not "suits" with chalky white bald dudes inside of them... it would have been spookier, it would have been more fascinating, it would have been more ALIEN to see them this way. DAMN - - - - what a missed opportunity. I'm serious.
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A two-hour movie of nothing but Fassbender's David spending two years by himself on the Prometheus grappling with his nature and those of his "frozen" shipmates and what it means to be human. THAT could have been awesome.
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June 16, 2012, 8:24 a.m. CST
"Every one of those movies you mentioned range from very good to great." Then you haven't read these threads...
by quantize
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"Inventing shit just to desperately make something coherent and/or deeper than it actually is. (See Prometheus, Matrix 2 & 3, Star Wars prequels)" Spot. Fucking. On.
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You're right... http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-06-08/entertainment/sns-201206080800reedbusivarietynvr1118054984-20120608_1_rig-bringing-3d-prometheusYou're right Scotland was used for the archeology scenes in the beginning - NOT the alien planet. Iceland was the alien planet. (btw, No need for the geography lesson on Iceland)
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73% on Rotten Tomatoes. Looks legit.
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I see now that my geography comment might have seemed a bit on the condescending side. Sorry about that.
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June 16, 2012, 9:33 a.m. CST
They should use that body suit for Drax the Destroyer in the Gaurdians of the Galaxy movie.
by ThulsaBoom
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It beat analyst and studio predictions on its 1st domestic weekend, it made huge bank for an R-rated picture, and the reviews have been favorable. Face it haters, the sequel is on the way.
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in the HD trailer screengrabs, don't they show that the 'chest' area' of the other engineers cryo beds are busted out- like via a chestburster? do they open those? and the one unbroken cryo chamber has the last living engineer in it, right? then at the end, a xeno busts out of him. we all assume it was from the attack by the tentacle monster- but what id he was already impregnated? what if the cryo bed chamber was either some sort of xeno-cult birthing area, or they are purposely implanted to become living timebombs when they attack earth or another planet- and that guy was still in stasis mode.
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24% on Rotten Tomatoes. According to Capone, it's indisputably a classic.
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That was the initial figure for the back to back film shoot that may or may not have happened.
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So far: Opening Weekend: $51,050,101 Total Domestic Gross: $87,458,127 Worldwide Gross: $178,364,914 Total Budget: $180,000,000 Source: boxoffice.com Not spectacular, but certainly not a failure in terms of the industry average at this point in a major release.
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June 16, 2012, 10:55 a.m. CST
if we go with 200m, it's still a success for an R-rated film at this point with more cash coming in going forward
by Monnie Knapp
It should pull in about 20-25m, domestic, this weekend and will eventually top the 200m mark. Not to mention upcoming Blu and DVD sales. The film will make Fox money and is a success financially. It has a 73% fresh (critics like it) and a 7.7 on imdb (the rest of us like it) so I would call that a success. Often times you get one or the other, but Prometheus has both--thus I personally am overwhelmed.
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Box office is rarely a quality meter and tends to draw attention away from the film itself.
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=Unless it manages to reach 400m= Gosh. I guess movies only become profitable once they've doubled their adjusted gross. Such insight you have.
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Did something right to cause this much nerd rage. I say go see it for yourself and make up your own mind. I love the movie, as you can tell others hate it (some almost to the point of obsession). Also see it on the biggest screen you can watch like IMAX.
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I just find it curious that the usual suspects are rooting against a genre movie with somewhat decent reviews.
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First let me say this is just MO so take it for what its worth. I think its an amazing movie and one of the best I've seen in years. So I say go see it. Second I have NO problem with someone not liking this movie. We all have different views on art and what one sees as a masterpiece another may see as garbage. But if I don't like a movie I may announce it (maybe), then I'll move on to something else and not waist any more time with it. I'll be danged if I become obsessed.
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June 16, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST
Keep in mind, this is being released in waves up until like August.
by Shermdawg
There's plenty more money to be made.
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June 16, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST
See, you're not actually debating the 'film', you're debating the online article which explained it.
by Fortunesfool
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June 16, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST
I just feel bad for the people that are DESPERATLY trying to convince others to hate this film.
by brokentusk
We finally get a big budget science fiction film that forces you to think (no matter your thoughts on the film’s actual plot, the ideas presented in the film are GREAT food for thought) and they expect us to hop on their miserable hate wagon? Find all the nitpicks you want (characters performing questionable actions to service the plot is something that happens in every horror film ever made, you're fooling yourself if you think that's enough justification to right off an entire movie). No, I think the majority of us appreciate the HELL out of what Ridley Scott delivered and cannot wait to see where he takes us next. The rest of you, keep on trying to convince us we’re wrong. We’ll see who’s ultimately happier.
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I will definitely *pay* to see Prometheus. Rock of Ages and That's my Boy? Not so much.
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June 16, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST
Exactly overrated, why a few people are so eager to tear apart the first big budget, R-rated, science fiction film we've gotten in ages astounds me.
by brokentusk
If you don't like it, that's your opinion and no one should mind if you share it. But to be SO passionate and vocal about it? I don't understand that at all. When the studios stop taking risks and keep churning out romantic comedies, you'll have no leg to stand on when you want to complain.
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What exactly are the big ideas, in your estimation, that are "GREAT food for thought"? Because I found Prometheus to be moronic and without a single idea of its own.
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Attention spans shot to shit. The answers are there if you PAY ATTENTION. Learn to govern your emotions, this isn't the worst thing ever created. Get a grip...
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"Aint gettin on no spaceship you crazy foool!"
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June 16, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST
"Final stinger scene has the stink of being mandated by Rothman all over it"
by Shermdawg
While I agree that it was horrible, nearly the second half of the film was buildup to that moment, so it wasn't just the stinger that stunk. I just hope there is a reason for all of that besides just showing how an initial face-hugger creature is created that spawns a Queen.
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...how exactly is your argument a good one? Are we supposed to root for a shit movie simply because if it succeeds more R-rated Sci-Fi will get made? Is that what you're saying?
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Illogical, overdone, over-everything... They have to be the worst things ever created or these babies won't get there way like mommie has always done... If something isn't done exact to a T how they want it- then it sucks and the person responsible needs to die. *rolls eyes Give me a Nell Carter-sized break. . Get a real job, all you Prometheus haters and then we will talk... Ridley has now taken Lucas's place on the Geek alter for sacrifice.... Up next, Peter Jackson.
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This is not a breakdown of one film versus another nor is it an in-depth analysis, juts my impressions of where Prometheus went wrong. The comparison arises from the fact that many of the diehard fans of Prometheus seem to think it is the next iteration of the 'thinking man's Sci-fi' an inheritor of the mantle that lay dormant since 2001 -simply because it may have some 'big ideas' about the origin of life. I say no. I agree that it is not necessary for filmmakers or creative artists in general, to explain everything about their vision. I also believe that when said vision involves concepts that no one can fully explain, that the filmmakers or artists do not understand fully what they are trying to say themselves and thus leave open ended questions that audieneces can ponder - if they choose. 2001 is a prime example. It may be heresy for me to say this, and I preface by saying I truly love 2001: A Space Odyssey, but I believe that Kubrick and Clarke had no fully formed idea of what they were trying to say about the origins of life. They did however have a fully formed notion - at least Kubrick did, of what they wanted the Movie itself to say about the origins of life, and a fully and magnificently executed plan to bring it to cinematic life. The unexplained mystery, the unexplained iconography that makes 2001 so memorably fantastic is at the heart of appreciating that monumental cinematic achievement. My, proof? Once the universe of 2001 was demystified, in Clarkes follow-up novels, it became just another pedestrian sci fi story. No one knows the true origins of life, which is why speculating on it can be such a wonderfully creative exercise that unleashes a treasure trove of ideas. In no way do I fault Scott and his writers for attempting to mine that trove, but I do faulty them in their sub-par and truly clucmsy execution. It is not enough to say 'look I have big ideas'
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Of course these geeks don't get it having never done anything but get their asses kissed and whims catered to by guilty divorced parents trying to make amends...
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I love them both, but two very unique beasts.
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June 16, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST
http://www.reelholes.com/2012/06/13/dissecting-prometheus-part-1-john-the-baptist/#comments
by Dan
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I hit the enter key too quickly without completing thought or proof reading That line should read "but I do fault them for the sub-par and clumsy execution" And the the closing should read: It is not enough to say 'look I have big ideas' and then just hope that the audience fills in the blanks. Even when dealing with a subject matter that has no real answers you need to try and provide a frame work that at least demonstrates that you have truly given it thought and you need to have the artistic chops to execute your vision. Prometheus looks good, and it may have some big ideas, but the audience does not see the thought (if any) behind them. Unlike 2001, which not only looked fantastic, but where the audience could see the big ideas on screen as well as the thought behind them and the magnificent mystery that has made the movie endure. It is not fair to compare a true classic with what is just a pedestrian- albeit an entertaining effort. Because in truth prometheus is not a bad film, it is simply a disappointingly executed and badly thought out attempt at what could have been a modern masterpiece of speculation
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-- Watch it, if you can get through it.
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when Star Wars cost about 11 million to make.
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fassbender and rapace are stunt casting. scott can demand a ton of cash for doing a new alien film. lindelof's a jew. it all adds up!
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Prequel defenders love Lucas like a six-year old loves his mommy. Sir Ridley is more like the mysterious stepfather who left home before we got a chance to know him.
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look i can understand some people not being completely "offended" and "appalled" by it like us "haters" are but come on.... you loved it?? LOVE??? how many times have you seen it??
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COMPLEX THEMES INTERWOVEN INTO THE STRUCTURE OF THE NARRATI- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Yeah, right. Because casting them has been so profitable previously.
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June 16, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST
I think it's clear that PROMETHEUS has really freaked some people out with its subject matter --
by MooseMalloy
-- and these people are blaming anything they can about the movie to cover up this fact. If you want to really laugh, check out some of the hour long plus reaction videos on youtube. People wouldn't be getting so riled up over a movie that is so "appalling" and "stupid" unless there is some deep psychological reason for it.
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June 16, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST
Thanks internet, now there will never be an end to the "Saturday Morning Director" syndrome
by MooseMalloy
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it's all about the script, ridley. yeah they didn't pick rapace because of dragon tattoo, even though scott said in interviews that's where he first saw her etc - a swede who can't speak english properly to play an englishwoman, because she was in a famous film. not stunt casting. fair enough i thought fassbender had gotten famous from 'shame' before prometheus started shooting, i just looked up the production times. shame's still on my to-watch list as well, though i've seen a pic of him naked and i don't get what the fuss is about. ahem. anyway looking at these dates this is really starting to look like the sequel is already made - they spent 6 months(!) shooting and THEN they did 3 more in spain. that's crazy for a film with so little happening - there's a ship, a couple of outdoor bits and a temple.
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defending it all the time... so what's so freaky about the subject matter? i'm dying to know. the freakiest thing in prometheus is seeing the poor space jockey get facefucked by the squid monster. i was rooting for that guy for the whole film.
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that people wanted a better movie from Scott, the maker of the original Alien?! Anyway, I like talking about scifi and Prometheus so lets talk.
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Saw PROMETHEUS today, and I know why people seem to hate it so much -- by moosemalloy -- other then the sometimes crappy characterizations and dialogue. It is because it is so bleak. Very bleak. The fact that it has only made 65 mil proves that it is perhaps too bleak for most. It really has some intense sci-fi elements and I look forward to watching it again on disc, but do not look forward to some of the performances. As expected it is the antithesis of AVATAR. It should be commended on several levels. It's a near masterpiece. A far-masterpiece? ----------------------- -- Now does that sound like I'm defending all the problems it does have? No, I am praising what it got right. And obviously I believe it really got those parts right. The hatred and fervor has already passed the pathetic point with this one.
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Who cares if she's Swedish? Get this--the first time I saw Fassbender was in a no-budget little movie called Fish Tank, which I loved. His costar in that film was first-time actor Katie Jarvis, who was also considered for the part that Noomi ended up playing.
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...has been able to provide an example of a "big idea" in Prometheus. Someone did mumble something about the "theme of sacrifice", which is neither a big idea nor is it more prevalent in Prometheus than in Sunshine or any other number of better films. The only "sacrifice" made in the film is by the captain and his two pilots at the end, an act which was treated as cavalier and had no emotional weight whatsoever. Captain Kirk's fucking dad's sacrifice within the first five minutes of Star Trek carried more emotional weight than the climax of a two-hour film in which all kinds of opportunities for that kind of thing could have been presented.
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are hypocrites. That film has had 30 years of analysis. People filled in plenty of blanks with that film too. Scott just doesnt make good narrative films. He makes atmospheric films. I give Prometheus 2.5 out of 5. It could go up. Don't know and dont care if it doesnt.
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You don't think " Where do we come from? " " Did someone make us? " " Is going to look for your creator always a good idea? " Big ideas? Really? Geez!
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www.crankleft.com/blog/2012/june/12/explaining-prometheus--whats-this-movie-about2 More than enough food for thought in that article. You can try and imply that the film is void of substance to the point that it negates my argument about supporting a smart, R-rated science fiction blockbuster, in an attempt to discredit my argument. The film is smarter than you give it credit for, and therefore my point stands.
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1. the aliens were "happy" with us for thousands and thousands of years after we developed.-cave painting evidence. 2. christmas, 2000 years ago. etc. so yeah its perty obvious that Scott is making that connection to the events of a bio weapons breakout on a mission by the aliens to "do bad shit to earth". 3. only westerners keep thinking that it was the "killing of space jesus" that was the bad thing we did.. 4. what if as shown, the aliens dont believe in everlasting life, or immortiality, but nature(bio science tech) and the sacriice of one life for the next to continue... "every king has his DAY"... 5. thus the belief in "everlasting life through a christ" etc and a separation of man/alien from nature... in other words the birth of christianity.. is what pissed off the jockeys... 6. and why they left us, and were ready it seems to unleash "a bio natural" weapon on us... pretty subversive shit for a hollywood movie... but so hidden under crappy story telling logic and past money making icons.. that all we end up with, is a bad cg baby alien screaming... anyhow... no need for a 12 foot blue jesus to be wearing a beard.
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June 16, 2012, 2:20 p.m. CST
2001 is a complete film. Everything you need to understand the themes/ideas is there to be uncovered. Prometheus...
by Fortunesfool
Requires you to have seen an interview with Ridley Scott and have read an article that is circulating the internet to fill in the (massive) gaps left by amateur screenwriters. It's the difference between Arthur C Clarke and that bloke from TV.
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June 16, 2012, 2:20 p.m. CST
BTW, the xenomorph at the end was like THEE weakest design yet of ALL films featuring the titular alien :(
by the Green Gargantua
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Blade Runner is a great film simply because it makes you think about it. To fill in the blanks can be the mark of a great film like 2001 for example. Most people don't know ( unless you watch the special features ) that originally 2001 was going to be narrated by Orson Wells so everything was explained for you and tied up with a neat little bow. I'm so glad they didn't do that ( as much as I liked Well's voice ). It would have been cheesy. Films that make people speculate or think almost always cause controversy and division because some people can't stand that it's not all paint by the numbers. I still haven't made it to see Prometheus yet ( I have a family and a busy life ) but I strongly suspect that's what's fueling all of this speculation ( and negativity ). The reason Hal went AWOL in 2001 didn't get explained for years until Clark wrote 2010 for example. Let's see that's 1968 until 1982! When a sequel comes out ( and I have no doubt that if Scott wants it they will make it ) more could be explained. Then the paint by numbers people can go " Oh ".
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The way she grabs and pushes David... plus the blond hair and blue eyes. Also, the way she calls Weiland "father". I suspect that we will see her in a sequel, if they ever make one. She was more 'human' than David, but I just think she was a more advanced model.
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92% at Rotten Tomatoes. 6th on AFI's top ten Sci-Fi. Cultural influences beyond counting. The only thing you have to slobber over is your favorite picture of Boxxy when you eventually die of loneliness. Buried under cats.
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June 16, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST
Hasn't anyone claimed That's My Boy is better than Prometheus yet?
by kells
No one? From the level of critical knowledge constantly on display in these forums, I would have thought that one would be immediate.
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June 16, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST
Box Office Mojo: Prometheus's 72.9% Fri-to-Fri drop was actually a tad worse than last June's 'Green Lantern'
by obijuanmartinez
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These things often grow wild during the summer.
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June 16, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST
Just a quick, clarifying note about Blade Runner's 92% on Rotten Tomatoes.
by Jethro Bodine
Look at the reviews. Most of them are either for the Final Cut, which came out in 2007, or they're from contemporary critics and bloggers. For just one example, look at the Ebert review linked there. It's his essay on the Final Cut, the first paragraph of which describes his mediocre review of Blade Runner when it was first released.
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June 16, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST
Then look at Alien's 97% entry on Rotten Tomatoes. There are some older reviews, but like Blade Runner, it has a great deal
by Jethro Bodine
of contemporary reviewers and bloggers. Once again, the Ebert review linked is to a more contemporary essay, this one from 2003.
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June 16, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST
Simply put: Rotten Tomatoes is not an accurate way of reflecting initial critical reception to Blade Runner or Alien.
by Jethro Bodine
Let alone other classics.
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June 16, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST
Now, please also note that I'm not tearing down Alien and Blade Runner to stand up for Prometheus.
by Jethro Bodine
I'm just making sure we're all clear on the facts here. Blade Runner is still Ridley Scott's finest film, in my opinion, followed by Alien, Gladiator, Prometheus and Kingdom of Heaven. Prometheus has flaws, but I sincerely think much of you are blowing them out of proportion. Now, it's a shame about Prometheus' US box office take, since I really want a sequel, but the international numbers are still strong and this movie will be a financial success. And it'll probably do killer business on Blu-Ray. Look at Watchmen as a good example: another big, weird, R-rated, somewhat unconventional, divisive blockbuster that did OK at the b.o., but built a strong following and ended up doing very well on the home market. Its reputation will probably grow in the ensuing years as today's sci fi fans grow up to be the adult critics and geeks of the future. It's certainly engendered the kind of passionate responses that come with a big-league cult classic.
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June 16, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST
You can't use the 'discussion' to prove that this is a thought-provoking film.
by FluffyUnbound
Because the only reason there's any discussion is because those of us who didn't like it are ripping it a new asshole. The amount of discussion is directly proportional to the amount of bullshit that was put up on the screen. The huge amount of discussion is a testament to how poorly thought out the film actually is. Forget the plot holes and unanswered questions for a moment. The ANSWERED questions are answered moronically. And that's a huge problem. For example, based on what's on the screen (including this scene) we are to believe that the Engineers seeded Earth with life. Well, life has been on Earth for over 3 billion years. We're also given to believe that our DNA is an exact match for the Engineers. We're also given to believe that the Engineers told ancient man enough about themselves for the ancients to draw accurate star maps. So that means that the Engineers themselves don't evolve or change, biologically or culturally, over a 3 billion year period. Even though they make black goo that can do 100 million years of evolution and mutation in five seconds. It also means the Engineers will start a project and stick with it for 3 billion years, but then just drop it because of...Jesus. Because it makes SO MUCH SENSE that when your time scale and system of values lets you pursue projects with multi-billion-year transaction times, you'd get pissed off and junk the project because of minor changes in religious practice in the Mediterranean basin over the course of a couple of centuries. It also means that they continually intervened in evolution to make the DNA come out exactly right. Because they'd have to intervene in the evolution of literally every creature in the entire fossil record to make that happen. Every last mutation and extinction, they'd have to do it by hand. For 3 billion years. With no industrial accidents in that entire time span, since we've seen that a single industrial accident can apparently waste an entire planet when we're talking about the black goo. But their safety record is unbroken for more than 3 billion years. And they never lose focus, and make no mistakes in managing the evolution of every creature in a planetary biosphere, just to make a couple of themselves, which they could do by fucking a lady Engineer any time they want. Guys, this is just dumb. Sorry. Dumb.
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Everyone who is familiar with Blade Runner is aware of it's critical history.
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June 16, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST
ALien and Blade Runner were met with mixed reviews when originally released...
by Dan
its only in the last two decades or so that the idiots have wised up... Prometheus may get the same, although Ebert's review caleld it a masterpiece so he's already there.....
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My point is that I've seen too many people pull Blade Runner's 92% on Rotten Tomatoes to make a point. It's unfair to hold that up against other films who haven't had the benefit of 30 years of cultural impact and critical reassessments. Other than that, you'll find that I agree wholeheartedly with you that Blade Runner is a singular achievement.
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because it stayed afloat, in those days a sub did not travel under water unless it was going to attack. I'm sure Indy knew this... :)
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Why didn't the giant birds fly Gandalf over the volcano so he can drop the fucking ring in????
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June 16, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST
Don't forget, zodlovesmaude ... the crew of the Venture had Kong pinned down and knocked out for the entirety of that sea voyage across the globe to New York.
by Jethro Bodine
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June 16, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST
The film will be praised in the future. Now in this moment. People don't like to think about anything. They want answers spoon fed.
by Fior84
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June 16, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST
And someone heard Kane say Rosebud. Sure, we don't see anyone that hears it. But it's there, right?
by Jethro Bodine
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AICN has gone wonkers, order-wise. You make some excellent points.
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June 16, 2012, 3:44 p.m. CST
And Gordon fooled even the paramedics, his fellow cops and even the World's Greatest Detective when he faked his death in The Dark Knight.
by Jethro Bodine
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June 16, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST
I don't think you can compare implausible incidents within a film...
by FluffyUnbound
...to the core concept of a film being so poorly devised as to be an insult to the intelligence of every viewer. To be as stupid as PROMETHEUS, Indy can't just ride a sub. The Nazis have to secretly be the Teletubbies (and not in a campy way, but as a profound insight offered to the viewer by a filmmaker who thinks he's had some kind of revelation about the true nature of things). If Hitler was secretly a Teletubby, THEN maybe you'd get close to being as stupid as PROMETHEUS.
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June 16, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST
@fior84 - Folks said the same about The Phantom Menace. It still sucks. Time will not put a shine on the turd that is Promethazine...
by obijuanmartinez
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I just read that thesis on Prometheus and it's one of the biggest piles of film-related horseshit I've ever read, and believe me I've read (and written) a lot of them. The fact that the writer bases most of his position on an inaccurate observation says it all. David isn't suddenly acting independent because of some sort of awakening. He's merely following orders from higher up in the food chain, namely from the "stowaway" Weyland. This is something recycled from Alien and Ash's agenda. He may have his own thoughts on the matter, but he takes no independent action for the duration of the film until after Weyland's death at the end. Utter wankery.
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And you think those big ideas in Prometheus are: 1) treated in anything but a trite, predictable and cliched way? 2) in any way original or pushing the envelope? Please.
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Prometheus has been where it is for over a week now. I'd say it's holding steady at 73 % for top critics and 74 % for audience. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/prometheus_2012/ Also I really don't know why you're comparing it to Green Lantern which was much worse recieved critically.
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" The film will be praised in the future. Now in this moment. People don't like to think about anything. They want answers spoon fed. " Someone here gets it.
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seriously man, is this constant use of SPOONFED just to bait us? because your fellow apologists seem to think us "haters" are moronic trolls but you and the others using phrases like "spoonfed" and saying we don't like to think to talk down to us, are much worse.
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Somehow in reading your comments I think your take is probably not what the narritive intended. Perhaps this will be clarified in the next film.
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PROMETHEUS LIKES TO LISTEN TO MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE AND CUT ITSELF. NO ONE UNDERSTANDS PROMETHEUS BUT ME!!! UR ALL HATERS AND ONE DAY ME AND PROMETHEUS ARE GOING TO LEAVE THIS SITE AND START A BAND IN THE BIG CITY!!! YOU ARE ALL JUST NAZI SPOONFED CONFORMIST SHEEP!!! ME AND PROMETHEUS ARE GOING TO GET MATCHING TATTOOS OF RIDLEY SCOTT ON OUR ASSES TO SHOW WHAT INDIVIDUALS WE ARE. THEN YOU'LL ALL SEE!!!! WE'RE DEEEEEPPPPPP!
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someone here gets it.
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...that so many people trot out the already hoary old line about how people who despise Prometheus are all looking for answers to every question raised. Actually, most of the critics seem to be focusing on two things: 1) that TOO MUCH from the Alien universe has been demystified by Prometheus 2) that the answers given were so shoddy and hamfistedly delivered Face it people: Prometheus was directed by a very clever guy, but the film itself is dumber than a bag of gravel.
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...what happened to all those loud, thesis-linking Matrix fans who went silent a year or so after Maxtrix Revolutions.
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another post that perfectly sums up our position. we're on a roll, guys! now cue real deal and fior84 to tell us we "watched it wrong" sigh....
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Did you play Mass Effect 3?
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June 16, 2012, 4:51 p.m. CST
How Would The Negativity Attack 2001 If It Were Made Today?
by Real Deal
Here's an example from 1968 of what the talkbackers are saying about 2001 in comparison : Not wanting to print this and violate copyright of the NYT I've resisted printing it but you guys should read this. If you do it will sound familiar. http://www.nytimes.com/library/film/040468kubrick-2001.html
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No, why?
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All that hype and fucking Madagascar 3 beat it. I wonder how it will do this weekend. Seriously FOX, fix that movie up on the DC Blu-ray.
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http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=9A0DE4D71038F936A15755C0A964948260
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i suppose you wanna tell me that you liked the ending and i didn't because i'm an idiot?? real deal, i don't get what point you're making with these posts... good films from the past got bad/mixed reviews THEREFORE prometheus getting bad/mixed reviews means it is also good? AHEM.
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There's a close comparison of what was being said about those two films and what's being said about Prometheus ( one of them having been made by the same director ). Many of the arguments about the plot in the story for 2001 weren't resolved for 24 years when 2010 was published. Surely you can understand that.
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You're missing out on one of the most uniquely interesting ways to end an epic sci-fi franchise.
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My post was intended to point out that this isn't the first time a SF film was dismissed as dumb because not everyting was explained. Some film goers just have to be spoon fed everything all at once or they don't like it. In the end those films which suffered the same kind of comments are revered as two of the greatest in hindsight. I guess you don't like it but just a little food for thought.
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June 16, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST
I mostly feel sorry for the passionate defenders. I get it, because I too like some deeply flawed films despite their myriad faults. (Difference is I know they're flawed.)
by NeonFrisbee
Tron Legacy was a mess, with serious pacing flaws, but I managed to like it anyway. I actually liked Prometheus too, despite the fact that it was really, really stupid. I think the people who thought Prometheus was "deep" and "profound" most likely also fell for the same shaggy dog trick known as Lost, which is one of the dumbest tv shows ever made. How can you suckers fall for this shit every time? You're mistaking narrative sloppiness, poor editing, and a total lack of thought for profundity. It's like you enjoy having your intelligence insulted. Here's an idea: maybe the Space Jerkys made their Poison Space Cum because they can't reproduce? I didn't notice any female Space Jerkys. OH SHIT! THAT'S SO DEEP! Maybe *that's* what the writer meant? Or maybe, just maybe, the writer HAD NO IDEA WHAT HE WAS DOING AND SLAPPED IT TOGETHER REALLY FAST TO MEET A DEADLINE? Also: Hey, has anyone else noticed that Ridley Scott hasn't made a good film since 1982? DUH.
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It includes gems like this: 'This seems peculiar, because the icy, poised Rachael, played by Sean Young as a 1940's heroine with spaceage trimmings, seems a lot more expressive than Deckard.' Anyone who read the Dick novel on which the film was based would know that the entire point of the film is that humanity's belief that it is better than the replicants is a lie. In Dick's vision (and clearly enough in the original vision of the film, before the happy ending was appended on) humanity has destroyed the world and every creature in it, and has created for itself a race of slaves in its own image, but still walks around patting itself on the back about how much empathy it has. We have no empathy, and the entire concept is a lie we tell to justify keeping the replicants down. That's Dick's big reveal. That's also why it absolutely destroys the movie if Deckard is a replicant. Deckard HAS TO BE a human, and Rachael and Roy have to be his emotional superiors, for the movie to make any thematic sense. You see? This is the difference between a film being misunderstood and a film being nonsensical junk. I can deal with the Times' objection in a straightforward paragraph. Can someone please deal with the myriad absurdities in PROMETHEUS for me in a straightforward paragraph? Pretty please?
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I'm so kewl!
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June 16, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST
It's not because the questions weren't answered... that's just another shit on the PILE!
by Hernando
WTF is wrong with the people with this movie? Yeah, there were unanswered questions... They were SHITTY unanswered questions, But the fucking movie FAILED to entertain, the dialogue was atrocious, The fucking movie was a mess, we're not complaining about the unanswered fucking questions, we're complaining about this piece of SHIT as a whole, stand alone, bullshit movie... Back to the future had unanswered questions, and ended with the lead in to the next movie... That shit was CLASSIC and amazing... this was uninspired dribble from a guy who wrote the endless lost series (EVERYONE LOVED THAT.... no we didn't)
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You have been on fire today. It's good to see yet another familiar Talkbacker on the boards. Please continue to take this slip-shod piece of filmmaking to the wood shed, sir.
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June 16, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST
Yes, the audience is stupid for confusing the Alien Planet for the Prometheus one
by Chief Joseph
How could the stupid audience confuse LV-223 and LV-426!? I mean, those planet names sound soooo different! Even though both planets have a crashed Engineer/Space Jockey ship, a dead Engineer/Space Jockey, and xenomorphs running around. Nope, don't see how people could get confused by that or the advertising campaign touting this as a prequel to Alien. And nope, there's no way that those two planets were originally the same planet in the pre-production phase, but got changed in post because they fucked it up. Nope. And you might not want to see what the concept & VFX designer for Moon has to say about this movie. I mean, he only helped make a smart sci-fi movie. He's not a _professional critic_. http://www.gavinrothery.com/my-blog/2012/6/11/so-what-was-wrong-with-prometheus.html
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and me as well. I think you would agree with my points. This talkback is way more entertaining then the actual movie.
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Completely agree with you on Alien 3.
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I wish I could Jam an Alien up the ass of all these trolls that think "Spoonfed" is a fucking defense? I don't give a fuck if every question was answered in the fucking movie, I want to see some characters I can relate to, grow attached to, give a shit about... and I didn't, nobody fucking did... What is wrong with these morons? I cared about Ripley, Fuck... I CARED ABOUT THE FUCKING CAT... Alien wasn't perfect... But fuck... I loved it... I just didn't give enough of a shit about any of these people, their mission, any of the "Suprise" moments... nobody batted an eye when Weyland magically showed up... Not even me... LOL, and then he died, and I gave less a fuc k about him than I did 10 minutes befre he appeared... I should give a fuck about wat happens to these people, that's what movies are about... This one with all the deep thought provoking dialouge and rich backround... I left to take a piss... I wore diapers and pissed myself during Avengers... because... I gave a shit... ;) A good movie makes you wait forever to use a urinal, A great movie makes you shit your pants... This movie was neither of those things...
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June 16, 2012, 8:48 p.m. CST
LETS START A LIST OF WHAT THIS MOVIE IS BETTER THAN. I SUBMIT HIGHLANDER II.
by Arcadian Del Sol
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June 16, 2012, 9 p.m. CST
I love how one of the movie's more ardent supporters here...
by Chief Joseph
... is some asshole that admits he hasn't seen the movie.
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http://www.gavinrothery.com/my-blog/2012/6/11/so-what-was-wrong-with-prometheus.html Someone else posted this earlier and it's PURE comic gold! Fuck... Maybe Prometheus was meant to be a Comedy, you know... like Showgirls? I hope that when they announce there will be NO sequel, that all these assholes defending it... will finally shut... the fuck... up.
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Don't you love them? They always expect the public to think exactly like them. Especially when most ( and that is most ) of the viewing public doesn't. Oh well. It's not like it really affects anything in the long run.
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That's because it's not just this film been trolled on by really nonsensical criticisim like this has. Like I've said before a good many of us are tired of the hate. That and the fact that I don't really believe Ridley Scott could make as bad a film as the haters are making it out to be. If it was that attitude would be pervasive across the internet. Which just isn't the case. I've checked. Someone here said that Scott hadn't made a good film since 1982. What about Gladiator? There's quite a few others. It's stuff like that that makes me doubt. Sorry if the rest of the world doesn't agree with you guys.
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June 16, 2012, 9:31 p.m. CST
" You all are performing quite an impressive display of mental gymnastics in order to rationalize your uninformed opinions! "
by Real Deal
You know the same could be said about you.
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June 16, 2012, 9:42 p.m. CST
best review and a slap in the face for people who don't like Prometheus...
by Fior84
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7CChfYoO_I&feature=related
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We don't have to do any acrobatics to say this film is shit... All we have to say is... watch the film... It is shit... If you actually like or care about any characters IN the film, your life must be as 2 dementional and stupid as they are... I'm SO over this film, I've seen it once, I'm glad it's over... I don't know who liked it for it's story or plot, but a LOT of critics loved how it LOOKED, sorry, it takes more than that for me to give a shit about any film... Ridley Scott has done wonderful movies, THIS was not one of them... If it was enough for you, then... great... I don't care... I expect more from someone who has done better... I DO NOT want there to be a sequel, if there is, I won't watch it, Like I suspect MANY MANY MANY MANY people won't... Just cause people gave it a "Pass" because it's Riidley Scott, doesn't mean it's any good, it means were patting the man on the back... for TRYING... You know... like at the Special Olympics... Everyone's a winner... if you catch my drift...
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Some guys speculation about what everything means, isn't a slap to my face... It actually strengthen's my belief that Nobody had a fucking clue as to what was going on in the film, and so what we got was everyone going... What the fuck... in character form... Ambiguity is great, but it doesn't add anything to this already boring and ridiculous movie... Red Letter media's promethius video was as insightful, but ALSO, hilarious... as it points to every WTF moment in the film and says exactly what regular... normal... HUMAN people are thinking (if they're not getting up to LEAVE) Which is... WHAT THE FUCK?
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" If you actually like or care about any characters IN the film, your life must be as 2 dementional and stupid as they are... " So in other words if I disagree with you I'm stupid. Gotcha! Another great argument!
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He's just too busy saving the world to see Prometheus, goddamn it. When he isn't kicking terrorist ass, he's forced by court order to visit all his illegitimate children he's made seducing enemy ladies as a secret agent. I suggest you start a blog, realdeal, reviewing all sorts of movies and books you haven't seen based solely on their covers.
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as "Alien Origin" http://www.theasylum.cc/product.php?id=204 I suppose Prometheus XXX is just around the corner.
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Continue to come back here. Is it because they care about us personal wise and want us to be a better person by seeing their insight which is the ''better'' way of viewing films. Or because they actually don't have the minds to discuss the mythology of sacrifice and the true hidden elements in this film that represent ''what it means to be human'' I dunno we could always ask Kane why he stuck his head practically in an ALIEN egg...even after he knew it was organic life and it opened up for him. I for one would run. But hey not all humans have the same qualities some are curious. As for the characters. Did we care much for Ripley and her BF in ALIEN? after their what one line of communication about ASH letting them in the ship? Yeah their relationship was truly convincing. I didn't need much explanation. I cared for Shaw in Prometheus. And in a sense I cared for David. I truly think people just don't want to dive into the conversation of the actions within human behavior. They just want to say ''what they would have done'' and any thing a single other human does is stupid. And a dumb script and poor editing. This film could have done nothing more.
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I fucking love Fassbender, I like how they told the origin of the classic xenomorphs without actually showing it, and I actually dig the Jockey stuff. Sure it's dumb, but so is a lot of the science fiction I've enjoyed over the years. Is the script awful? Absolutely. And I pointed out my many complaints in countless talkbacks, from the spoonfed foreshadowing of Shaw's pregnancy to something you mentioned, it being the opposite of Alien's fly on the wall conversations that felt so real in comparison. I fucking hate the second half and how it builds to the new xeno reveal. I hate how character arcs, and a cohesive narrative take backseat to it. How the whole c-section sequence just seems to be floating in there without anything tying it down. I hate that it's not unsettling, scary, or the least bit graphic. It's certainly not worthy of an R-rating. But, I'm crossing my fingers those twenty minutes or so of cut scenes fix some of my problems....at least as far as character development is concerned. I can deal with supposed plot holes (red shits getting lost) or so-called questionable motives (Janek sacrificing himself), and even the creature bullshit of the second half if a sequel redeems it. After four disappointing Alien films my standards for the series isn't that high anymore, and I'm honestly burnt out on the Xenomorphs. If Prometheus had just been about the Jockeys, I couldn't have been happier, but we're now in the situation where the sequel will probably be Charlize Theron vs. New Xeno on LV-223 while Shaw is knocking on heaven's door. Which is unfortunate given Ridley and that hack-guy from Lost promised the next one would be even farther removed from the series, but you have to do something now since they spent so much time introducing it. We don't need that tired bullshit though.....I certainly don't, I want something new, something different. I can't wait to see where they take Shaw's story in the sequel. I don't care how dumb the whole Jesus Jockey story may be, the crazier....the better. I want something so fucking batshit surreal out of it that it stands on its own without being judged as a Alien film, but, like I said, they don't got the balls to do that.
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Whoops. Sorry.
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June 16, 2012, 11:25 p.m. CST
Engineers didn't have to go back "billions" of years...
by ReportAbuse
The cave paintings are said to be around 35K years old, which is about as old as the oldest ones we know of today. The Engineers didn't have to intervene at the very start of life on earth, they could have jumped in around 100K years ago or so, and just tweaked the genes of some hominids that were already in existence then. Just enough to give them a little additional advantage that they needed to compete at that time, like a slightly larger brain. This would imply a lot less work on the part of the Engineers and makes the time spans (and level of genetic engineering) less ridiculous.
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...was not gigantic. Watch it again, when they first enter the room, a low angle on the camera makes it look gigantic, but when the crew approach and surround it in the same shot, it is more proportional.
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Did they all suddenly decide to enroll in film school?
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June 17, 2012, 12:32 a.m. CST
The problem in a nutshell: There are simply too many ambiguities
by smudgewhat
A certain amount of ambiguity in any film can work just fine. It lets the mind wander to plausible and interesting possibilities. Kubrick is a master in this regard. Sadly, Prometheus has so much about it to like - a certain intelligence, some excellent acting, consistency of tone and a foreign space, but it can't really be solved because there are too many ambiguities in too many varies scenes and piled on top of each other you simply have too many variables for any uniform "theory" of what's going on. "2001" allows space for contemplation but certain important plot points are spelled out. I still really enjoyed Prom and wish it could be more than it is.
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I'll just chime in with a thought I had the other day. Black goo and red matter. Anyone else sense a connection there?
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I often lurk in the forums but had to sign up to post a few thoughts in response to some of the comments here. There's some people here who are absolutely fucking pathetic. I'm talking about the folks who post stuff like "Prometheus Defenders - Just stop!" and then on the other side the people who post "You don't get it cuz you're stupid" and so forth. It really is ignorant to try to tell someone they are an idiot for liking a movie, or for not liking a movie. Personally, I liked this movie. I had a lot of problems with it, but I enjoyed it. I'm not going to get into more detail than that. And I won't "stop" defending it just because quite a few other people don't care for it. I liked it. That's my opinion. I'm not going to put my tail between my legs, sulk away and say "gosh, you guys were right..." Because there is no right and wrong when it comes to opinions. It's amazing that I'm even typing these words because most children understand this. But some posters here do not. If you feel the need to insult someone who has a different opinion than you, then you are one sorry piece of shit. I would not lash out at someone who didn't like Prometheus like a snot-nosed, insecure little baby. I just respectfully disagree. Cuz it's an opinion and all. Don't ever tell me (or anyone) I don't have the right to my own opinion. If you can't deal with people with differing opinions than your own, then you should pretty much just fuck off and die. Good day.
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I don't see how this killed any of the mystery of Alien. All it did was show us who the Space Jockeys were and how they related to us. It gives us a *hint* of how the Alien came to be, but it gives no concrete answers on how the Alien evolved. It merely *suggests*, and what is suggests, based on the thematic material present in the rest of the movie, is that the Alien as we know it is just the result of multiple evolutions, copies of copies of copies of previous generations of different parents. And as Shaw goes off to find out who created the Engineers and where they came from, perhaps we are exactly the same. Just a copy of a copy of a copy, an accident in this latest iteration, but a differently evolved copy nonetheless. Frankly, I don't see how this movie has any real bearing on Alien. Its a side story. This doesn't ruin or enhance the first movie in any significant way, so I see no big issue with it.
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I interned with Ridley Scott. I liked the movie. But I will say, this did not feel like the same Ridley Scott of Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven, and Black Hawk Down (though those were more action oriented movies). Still, I enjoyed the movie. I didn't feel the pace was off or weirdly edited, but I did get the vibe there were missing chunks that would be completed in a Director's Cut.
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and I realized Prometheus is, for me, Predators. What I mean is that while Predators was fun, it is not a great action/sci-fi like the original Predator, it was a hell of a lot better than the two crappy AvP films and the crazy Predator 2 with Danny Glover (although the batshit craziness of Gary Busey almost makes up for Predator 2). Predators, while I liked it when I first saw it, has grown on me a bit. I've seen it a few times since it was first released, and each time I've liked it more. I doubt I'll ever love it (Topher Grace and batshit crazy Laurence Fishburne kind screwed up that one), but I do find it a fun action/sci-fi flick that works as a good follow up to the original. It's how I feel about Prometheus. We've all endured through Alien 3, which while not horrible, really wasn't what most fans were looking for in a follow up to Aliens. Then Alien Resurrection and AvP took a massive dump on the Alien saga. So Prometheus is not a great film, but not horrible. Not a Phantom Menace, Crystal Skull, or AvP catastrophe, but more like a Predators, or a Terminator 3 or Terminator Salvation IMO. I guess that is still kind of tragic. I didn't want a McG Alien film, but in some ways that is what we got. Ridley Scott, in a sense channeling a McG or JJ Abrams mentality for an Alien prequel. So it is not surprising why people are really enraged by this. I was a bit at first, but now it doesn't bother me as much. While Prometheus didn't gel completely, and had some big narrative problems, I'll give Ridley some credit for being ambitious and for trying to give the Alien saga a good kick in the arse so as to help get it going again. Also, I love that he shot so much of the film with real sets and practical effects. I hope we see more of that in big Hollywood films in the coming years. I just hope he comes to his senses and switches back to doing The Forever War instead of a Blade Runner sequel. Prometheus was one thing. Taking a stab at reinvigorating the Alien saga, which has been limping sadly along for quite some time now. Blade Runner, on the other hand, is an iconic singular story that works perfectly as is. Not only that, but it is Ridley's masterpiece, the film all his others are measured against. Tinkering with that, if it fails that is, worries me.
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June 17, 2012, 1:06 a.m. CST
I don't care if you have issues or questions or reservations...
by D.Vader
But to declare this movie an absolute failure is just ridiculously immature in my opinion. Get serious people.
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June 17, 2012, 1:11 a.m. CST
d.vader -- yeah, I want to see a Prometheus director's/extended cut
by lv_426
While the extended cut of Alien 3 didn't change my mind on that film, it did for many people. So maybe an extended cut for Prometheus will? Hopefully the dir. cut, or extended cut will be on the DVD/Blu-ray release that is coming in the fall.
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Sorry if that offends some people, but I've seen it 2 times and will most likely see it again. On top of that I hope it does get a sequel and fans can see where this story goes. Paradise could be very interesting IMO.
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... that Its sort of split people down the middle. Lots of people love it. Lots of people aren't impressed with it. There are some that hate it but they seem to be that particular segment I mentioned before, the ones that think bc its imperfect its horrible. Would definitely like to see a Director's Cut. Would LOVE to have read the early drafts and seen the evolution. I saw that for Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven, and Tony Scott's Domino. Would be cool to see the *big* picture for Prometheus before production.
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For example, *Why does anyone sign up for a 4/5 year space mission without even knowing what they signed up for? *Who commits suicide kamikaze style based on one person's word who you just met after witnessing zombies and all other kinds of strange phenomenon? *Who pulls an alien out of her stomach and doesn't mention a word of it to anyone... EVER? *Who looks in the mirror and sees weird wormy things coming out of his eyes and doesn't mention it to anyone? *What happened to technology in the years between the events of Prometheus and Alien? *Who steals an alien space craft to get answers from the beings who created you and are DESPERATELY trying to kill you? These are just some of the many thought provoking questions this film has people discussing. Here are some more outside of the actual narrative: *Why would someone write a film full of annoying characters who do things without internal motivation... their only reason for doing things is the external motivation of moving the story forward? *Why would Ridley Scott move forward with a script that lacked focus and cohesion and a compelling story with interesting characters? *Why would Ridley Scott insult his audience and Alien fan base by making a film that accomplished absolutely nothing except to set an intended sequel? So I guess we all can agree that this film was very thought provoking. Too bad it didn't provoke the right questions for discussion.
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It wasn't an absolute failure, but to me is was a huge failure. It was Ridley Scott trying be Stanley Kubrick making 2001, except he didn't have the talent or the story. The reason so many people are in here "trashing" the film is because, like me, they had high expectations for this film. It promised something deep and meaningful and failed in nearly every attempt. The movie had the pretense of being deep, when in fact it was improbable and quite often stupid. A true squandering of potential, except in the effects department. It was a gorgeous film, I loved the palette, but that's all I cared for. That's my opinion and plenty of people here have presented a great case for similar opinions. If you can't handle it, that is your problem. But anybody rejecting us as "haters" just can't handle the fact that some of us saw a grand failure when we went to see Prometheus. I haven't said anything hateful. I've expressed a valid opinion, and deep disappointment. It is also my opinion that anybody who is liking on this movie either is in denial or had really low expectations. Or both. You know that my words are true. You can feel it, you just don't want to admit it.
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I like to watch a good narrative involving interesting characters interact with other interesting characters. I like to watch how they deal with challenging situations, whether they be dramatic, tense, scary, etc. Some implausible or unrealistic events or actions are tolerable if those criteria are met (for example, Ripley holding on in the air lock with a giant Alien hanging off of her and not getting sucked out). Anyone who is interested in compelling characters will most definitely NOT like Prometheus. Both Alien and Aliens had great characters who had terrific interactions while they dealt with larger than life situations. In these discussions, I've yet to encounter anyone indicating that the characters in Prometheus were interesting, compelling or likable.
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Unfortunately, stupid opinions are usually held by stupid people. The kind of people who would call Prometheus "deep." Anybody seeing something deep in this movie has the intellectual sophistication of a house pet. There's nothing I hate more than when something simple (in a retarded way) tries to pass itself off as complex, and "deep." What does that say for those who buy into that pretense?
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The characters were compelling or likable in the least. Much of this is due to terrible writing and a stupid story. There weren't characters; they were clichés archetypes whose fates were clear from the beginning. Alien had many interesting, compelling characters. It didn't pretend to be something it wasn't. It had no pretense at all.
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June 17, 2012, 3:01 a.m. CST
Everyone hail the Internet Armchair Director! Read their whining on-line!
by MooseMalloy
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Exactly. Like moosemalloy. To him we're "Armchair Directors" and "whiners." He has to pass off a scary dissenting opinion as something else. Such is ignorance.
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June 17, 2012, 3:17 a.m. CST
This piece-of-crap movie is just a sop to theism by a director in his twilight years who's terrified by the nothingness that probably awaits him when he kicks.
by Laserbrain
Never mind the shop-worn plot mechanics, the nonsensical characterization, the chronic paucity of logic - it's all Scott's posturing about what a "provocative" movie this is that I find truly embarrassing. Here's what Prometheus is all about in a nutshell: "We humans were made by inscrutable Gods working in mysterious ways who decided, because some of us were were bad and killed Jesus, that we should all be exterminated in a great plague". This isn't "intelligent sci-fi", it's a dopey Sunday-school parable artlessly cross-bred with a dopey monster movie. Never mind trying to inspire awe and intellectual curiosity for the natural wonders of a realistically depicted cosmos - just give us an absurd potboiler about the terrors that surely await we puny humans should we dare to challenge God's supreme authority. That'll get bums on seats all right. Prometheus is not smart, it's not provocative, it's not deep. It's an old man grasping for meaning in his final years and chucking logic for the comfort of myth.
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June 17, 2012, 3:26 a.m. CST
Right, because everyone hated the movie as much as you --
by MooseMalloy
-- and also no one should like it as long as you live and breath. Stop whining and go watch PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES. Be back tomorrow so don't hang on a response.
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June 17, 2012, 3:32 a.m. CST
The severe need to like this film and legitimize it as relevant cinema is sad.
by Queefer Sutherland
Pathetic, really.
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Oh lord....
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So.... you're okay with the jockeys being human? And that doesn't make the Alien universe any less alien and mysterious to you? I call bullshit.
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Prometheus: A corporation assembles a crew at the expense of 4 trillion dollars to fly out to a destination point in which the scientists (I use this word loosely) have absolutely no quantitative data. Why not send a probe first? How are the scientists rationalizing that the cave drawings are an invitation by these aliens? Maybe, the aliens were hanging out, had a few beers, and gave the wall a good ole toilet stall treatment "For a good screw call Jenny." Instead, it led them to a military installation. Sunshine: The sun is dying, thus sending Earth into an eternal winter. Icarus II is the *second* ship sent in attempt to restart the sun. So, right here... 1) We know the goal/directive - to kick start the sun because sun is vital to life. 2) We know past missions were executed and have failed. The ship design is impressive. For instance, they have an “oxygen garden.” Danny Boyle actually consulted NASA engineers about "plausible" ship designs, etc. Icarus II picks up a beacon from the original Icarus. Interesting! They spend time trying to locate the beacon and figure out that they will pass within 300 yards (roughly) of the ship. They are curious as to why the original Icarus failed. They even debate as to if they should investigate Icarus. They ultimately concede to board the ship because they know that it likely possesses the original payload. Hey, two “last best hopes” are better than one. This makes sense story wise. Hell, this entire sequence shows more logic than the entire length of a film that is Prometheus. Prometheus? Fuck it, we'll just zip down to the planet - and immediately find the main alien compound without any further analyzation of the planet. Wither it be "weather conditions," etc. There are just so many story elements that are just piss poor in regard to Prometheus. I still contend "Sunshine" is a better film story wise. And, in the end the "sacrifice" in Sunshine actually means something... the sacrifice in Prometheus is hollow and asinine. Now, if you want to argue about the Pinbacker aspect on the film - that's fair game. But, a crewman suffering from space insanity... "pandorum"... whatever you want to call it... makes more sense than a biologist petting a grey penis snake.
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June 17, 2012, 3:55 a.m. CST
sisyphus, Prometheus was SUCH a big disappointment to me, I had to articulate it.
by Queefer Sutherland
I was looking forward to it more than anything this summer. I guess that shows me. I should have realized when looking at my movie collection and not having much Ridley Scott, that there was a problem. The Duelists, Alien, Blade Runner, then nothing... I guess I was in my own kind of denial, thinking that they could make this any good. At first I was fooled by the pretty silk wrapping, but found only a turd inside.
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Anybody claiming Prometheus is better than Sunshine is just an idiot. True depth is beyond them.
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If Prometheus 2 is greenlit - I suspect Lindelof will a) Recycle more of Lovecraft's writings and/or b) Try and draw a parrallel with the black goo and the "grey goo" (molecular nanotechnology). Even though, Drexler, has come out and stated that nano fab can be done non-biologically and safely. Lindelof has really boxed himself in with these ideas - I don't see a pretty way out for him or Scott. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/06/040609072100.htm
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He concedes there isn't any true logic or conceivable context to the scene... he tells us to "don't think"... even though he contends "Prometheus" is highbrow. the guy at the beginning is simply donating himself, no stranger than the Aztecs or Incas would choose some poor bugger, at the beginning saying “right, you’re it, in the year you get all the girls you want, all the food you want, blah blah, and at the end of the year we’re going to take your heart, take it out, squeeze it, and we’re going to get jolly good crops and good weather next year.” It’s no more than that, he’s into a form of donation, except his DNA is so powerful, each molecule is like a timebomb. So, we only set our standards by what we know here, which makes us essentially naive. We don’t, we can’t conceive of galloping DNA: I release that on the desk, and in a second I’ve got a cotton wool ball going black. We can’t conceive that because it’s not in your frame of experience. So you’ve got to take your brain, put it on the side, and when you enter the movie just let yourself breath. http://www.slashgear.com/ridley-scott-talks-prometheus-with-slashgear-candid-uncut-02231334/
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Likewise, Mr. Jones.
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The first film had a theme and concise narrative... "What does it mean to be human?" wrapped into a bounty hunter story. I can see Blade Runner 2 already... 2hrs of Ridley failing to explain how Replicants were designed... flailing like a fish dying in the sand. Or, since Ridley wants a female Protagonist... albino or Replicant babies might be involved. Our only saving grace could be Fancher and the lack of Lindelof in the writing room.
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Do yourselves a favor and read both of these essays. Even though one is pro-Prometheus and one is not, BOTH of them will show you exactly what's wrong with both the movie and those who support it: http://www.crankleft.com/blog/2012/june/12/explaining-prometheus--whats-this-movie-about2 http://www.gavinrothery.com/my-blog/2012/6/11/so-what-was-wrong-with-prometheus.html
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...to the Kane example, shall we? Kane was NOT a scientist. He was a working class stiff with romantic ideas about discovering something important and didn't have the training necessary to know how to deal with his situation. Comparing his cautious peering over the edge of the egg (with a reinforced helmet on, at that) with the biologist in Prometheus trying to cuddle (helmetless) with an alien organism is stupid. In fact, it's as stupid as Prometheus is.
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June 17, 2012, 5:36 a.m. CST
ELMER FUDD>RALPH WIGGUM>MY NEIGHBOUR'S DOG>PHANTOMCREEPRETURNS
by No Respectable Gentleman
Sorry, I don't usually like ad hominem attacks ... but phantomcreepreturs does a lot of it and deserves soemthing in return.
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That's another classic: "Since you're talking about the movie so much, you must secretly like it or your little mind is just confused about it." Fantastic.
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Saw it once and I hadn't thought of it since. At least Alien vs Predator had some balls. Predators was a rehash of the original. But much less interesting. Some people here complain too much about Prometheus. Trolololol.
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Just the worst characterizations I can possibly imagine. A geologist who looks like a Road Warrior reject. A biologist who doesn't take biology even remotely seriously. Scientists who have sex on their first day on an alien planet. And on and on, of course. Still, some of the visuals were amazing but what a tremendous failure on the part of the scriptwriters. I can give Scott a pass. The man is 73 years old you know.
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I have no words.... all opinions are not equal? I'm the one being ignorant and simple-minded, and you're basically saying your opinion is more valid than mine because.... you're smarter than me? What exactly? I'm blown away, and assume you are a 12 year old child. One day, perhaps you'll learn what a fucking twat you are. Not because you have a different opinion than I do on this particular film (which I assume is why you are attacking me) - that's your right. No, it's because you're opinion on opinions is arrogant, ignorant and hilariously immature. Get a fucking life.
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June 17, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST
YOU WOULD THINK THE ENGINEERS' SPACESHIP WOULD HAVE LIKE A FORCE FIELD OR SOMETHING?
by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings
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And did you even read my full post? I called out people on both sides of this debate, including those morons who are saying that people don't like it because it's too deep for them or they're too stupid to it. That's insulting to say. Just as insulting as everything you are saying. I'm not sure you quite understand the real issue, or if you ever will. Good luck with being an adult in the real world.
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June 17, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST
SOME BLACK PEOPLE IN MY AUDIENCE APPLAUDED WHEN ELBA GOT SOME WHITE ANDROID BOOTY
by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings
I just got up and stomped my feet and yelled Hallelujah.
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Did have his helmet on. It was still dumb of him to cozy up to it, but, then again, if I were in a space suit like that I'd like to think I'd have protection against something like a snake bite. He certainly didn't expect the thing to have superhuman strength to break his arm. Bad call on his part? Yes. Lazy writing? Probably. But let's stick to the facts. Helmet was on. And it isn't a tremendous leap in logic to assume some degree of protection while wearing a space suit.
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June 17, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST
WHY WOULD SHAW GO TO THE ENGINEERS' PLANET?
by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings
All she would do is alert them to the fact that the plan to destroy humans failed and they need to send another mission. What a fucking idiot. I'm referring to Lindelof, of course.
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June 17, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST
FOR A WHILE THERE I THOUGHT THE GEOLOGIST WAS ACTUALLY THE SHIP'S COOK
by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings
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My bad, helmet was on.
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June 17, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST
For a while there I thought online fan forums were actually critically legitimate
by kells
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ELMER FUDD>RALPH WIGGUM>MY NEIGHBOUR'S DOG>PHANTOMCREEPRETURNS by no respectable gentleman Thanks for my chuckle for today. Thanks also to ... DocP MNG s jones queefer ... Stellar work ... And a Special shout out to moosemalloy, hang in there little buddy.
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June 17, 2012, 11:07 a.m. CST
Prometheus was catching the lightning in the bottle - but will ultimately be forgotten within the sands of time.
by wtriker1701
It doesn't fit anywhere. Alien and Aliens will be the movies regarded as classics forever! All the other movies are *just also out there*. In theatres everyone can hear you scream BS! Second viewing of LOST/Prometheus? Unlikely... for most of the audience out there. Except the defenders, who will try to convince you, it's all about the characters' journey. David's talking head without being connected to anything? Character's journey! Shaw flying an alien ship to God? Character's journey! In the end there will a light...
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Well, I don't fear it's going to happen with Prometheus!
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I was with you on everything you said to me, expressing your opinion and all that, up until this part: "If you can't handle it, that is your problem. But anybody rejecting us as "haters" just can't handle the fact that some of us saw a grand failure when we went to see Prometheus. I haven't said anything hateful. I've expressed a valid opinion, and deep disappointment. It is also my opinion that anybody who is liking on this movie either is in denial or had really low expectations. Or both." I never used the term "haters". I haven't said anything hateful either. "You know that my words are true. You can feel it, you just don't want to admit it." Errrr, uhhhhm. No.
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Just because something fails to meet one's expectations doesn't make it a complete failure overall.
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Well, the Engineers aren't human. Humans are them, whatever they are. And yeah, it doesn't take away the mystery of Alien for me. The mystery for me wasn't just "what is the space jockey" (and even then, it wasn't the important mystery for me). It was what *happened* to the jockey and why does it have a cache of alien eggs and where did *those* eggs come from. But if finding out what the Space jockey is, regardless of whether its "human" or not, takes away the mystery of Alien, then it sounds like you were against this movie from the beginning? Because any exploration of the Jockey would have given you that response, yeah?
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I was just arguing semantics. To say the Engineers are human is to suggest they came from us, not the other way around. Should be, we are Engineers.
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June 17, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST
"David's talking head without being connected to anything?"
by zom-bot.com
you've seen ALIEN, ALIENS and ALIEN 3, right? obviously weyland androids main operating units are in the head..like, der..humans. the rest of the body is for locomotion and labor. The android head is still mostly functional (for an undetermined time, though Bishop in 3 claimed to be feeling a kind of pain, discomfort and was losing function), not needing the rest of the circulating liquids and mechanics to function.
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and I won't until it comes out on blu-ray. I was looking so forward to this movie too. I can't believe the "engineers/space jockeys" are so humanoid. Very disappointing. It would have been better to make them more "alien" like. I don't mean xenomorph either. Closer to what was depicted in the 1st movie. I know about the space suit too. Bigger, elephant like, etc... less bald humans and more "alien".
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We are talkbackers, not film or TV critics. Did you get lost on your way to rotten tomatoes and end up here? You've been bitching about people's "criticism" of film and TV for a while. It makes no sense. We're fans with opinions. If you want to be a film or television critic good luck with that. The rest of us are just talking.
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LOST actually had interesting characters you cared about. John Locke alone is 1000000Xs more interesting than anyone in this. And that's just one character of that series. I'd much rather watch every episode of LOST again (even the subpar last season) than Prometheus just for another mere two hours.
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Finally saw it on IMAX in NYC, the real one on 68th and Broadway, (dont be fooled by inferior 'fake' imaxs), it was amazing, the Batman Trailer was loud as hell too, if you are in NYC you owe it to yourself to see Prometheus on that screen!!
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The overall narrative would, in fact, make much more sense if the opening scene is 100,000 years ago or less. Still not great sense, but definitely more than it currently does. But that isn't the scene Scott appears to think he shot. The scene he actually shot is supposed to be the dawn of all life on Earth. Of course, before the cyanobacteria altered Earth's atmosphere with a few hundred million years of photosynthesizing, an unprotected human or humans couldn't even have stood on Earth's surface without being poisoned, so the Engineer sacrifice scene couldn't have happened the way it was shot - but I doubt that level of scientific detail mattered to Scott one way or the other.
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They didn't spend 4 trillion dollars on the mission. They spent 1 trillion. So you obviously weren't paying much attention if you're ignorant enough to fuck up a detail like that. No wonder you have so many ridiculous "well, why didn't they..." questions. Why don't you watch it again and just pay attention to what's going on and you won't be so confused.
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.... someone asked at the opening night showing I attended. A great many laughs and general "exactly!" comments followed. Rothery's analysis is on-point but only hints at all that is wrong with this movie.
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Prometheus is a fine film. And a very successful one. Because people are still bitching and moaning about it. It has certainly struck a nerve. Look...its a goddamned SCI-FI/HORROR FLICK! This is not Mullholland Drive (another great flick). People are crucifying it because they didn't get every tiny last detail spelled out for them and are too lazy/stupid to try to figure things out for themselves. I highly doubt Ridley Scott was trying to blow anyone's mind with this film. Its not high-brow stuff. This film has no more plot holes than any original Star Wars film. I've seen it twice. The answers are ALL THERE. All you have to do is PAY the fuck ATTENTION and you won't have any problems. I'm so sick of you fucking fanboys asking "Why didn't they do this?? Huh?? Why did the Engineers blah blah blah...WHY??" Fucking watch the movie and pay attention and you won't have so many fucking questions. Damn. I really don't get why this is such a big issue. I don't think I've ever seen a film get nitpicked this bad. If you didn't like Prometheus...FINE. That's your opinion. But quit acting all butthurt over it. I loved it. Ha! You wanted to like Prometheus...you REALLY wanted to like it. But you don't. And I do. So who wins here? If the reason you don't like the film is because you thought there were too many questions left unanswered...then YES, you probably are too dumb to "get it." Go back to watching Transformers. If you can't enjoy a sci-fi film without nitpicking it to death at every level, then you just need to stop going to movies. Period. Because Prometheus is no more confusing or flawed than anything else out there. This is not a complicated film, so stop treating it as such.
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June 17, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST
If the answers are all there, it should be really easy for you to list them.
by FluffyUnbound
Right? That's the most annoying thing about the defenders of this film. They routinely say things like, 'It's about the mythology of sacrifice' but refuse to say how, or supply any content to go with their empty cliche. OR they say things like, 'The answers are all there if you think!' which they could only say if they had the answers. Since they have the answers, they should be able to write them. But somehow they don't, for whatever reason. At this point they'll say, 'I'm not going to do your thinking for you!' or 'It's not my fault if you don't get it!' or something else along those lines.
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June 17, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST
"Don't think" = Harry's "Switch off your brain and enjoy"
by Chief Joseph
Seriously, fuck that noise.
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June 17, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST
Let's compare this to 2001 for a minute again to illuminate the difference between good and bad sci-fi.
by FluffyUnbound
As many have pointed out, 2001 also has a species that intervened in man's evolution leaving behind a clue - the monolith on the moon. So the monolith on the moon is that 2001 equivalent of the cave paintings in PROMETHEUS. Except for the fact that the monolith on the moon is a paragon of plausibility compared to the cave paintings. The monolith on the moon is buried and cannot possibly be disturbed until human beings advance technologically enough to travel to the moon. Those cave paintings are an INCREDIBLY FRAGILE way to leave information behind. Someone else could paint over them later, replacing the star map with a buffalo or someone's painted hand. Bats could cover the map with guano. The cave could flood. Etc. The cave painting idea is basically a copy of the monolith idea, but executed incompetently. Leaving an obviously artificial object with a massive magnetic signal in a sterile environment on the moon is a quasi-plausible way for another species to leave a message for man. The cave paintings are an incredibly foolish and wildly implausible way to leave a message for man. The monolith idea could conceivably work. The cave painting idea should not have worked. The monolith on the moon leads us to the monolith by Jupiter (or Saturn, in the novel) because it broadcasts a powerful directed radio signal at the other monolith, pointing the way to it. The cave painting, on the other hand, shows us the way...how, exactly? There's not enough detail there to distinguish this system from others like it. So as messages, the monolith is not that bad an idea, while the cave paintings are an absurd and stupid idea. It's like Scott ripped the idea off, but without having any real understanding of why the idea worked in the first place. It's a derivative idea, stripped of the good parts and with just incompetent foolishness left over. And the problem is that everything in the whole damn movie is done at the same level of carelessness, sloppiness, and implausibility.
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I really wanted to like the movie. I was looking forward to this more than Avengers (which I haven't even seen yet) and Batman. I'm still hoping that the director's cut will "fix" the movie, even though I'm doubtful a mere 20 minutes could fill all the plot holes. I'd love that batshit "sequel in October that clears everything up" theory to be true, even though it's impossible.
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June 17, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST
fluffyunbound, you're more confused about 2001 than you are Prometheus...
by positivelySlime
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You haven't actually read this talkback, have you?
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I'll gladly admit I disliked the idea of a space jockey movie. That having been said, I had enough faith in Scott to give him the benefit of the doubt and ended up going into the movie with an open mind after avoiding every single review beforehand. What I witnessed on screen, however, was not only a franchise-fucker of monumental proportions, but a franchise-fucker of such sloppy narrative structure and imbecilic screenwriting that I couldn't believe Scott had made it. Let me ask you a question. Which is more mysterious and enticing: 1) a terrifying creature of unfathomable ferocity and inscrutable nature which is either genetically engineered or the product of an evolutionary process too horrifying to contemplate, eggs of which are found in the hold of a derelict spacecraft which may be millions of years old -- a spacecraft with an enigmatic, non-human, fossilized creature in the pilot's seat. Was the pilot merely transporting the eggs or did his culture create the monsters? If they did, how much more horrifying and fucked up mustn't their civilization be? And are they still out there somewhere? 2) the answers provided by Prometheus.
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Yeah, I've read it. But trying to convince someone that liked it that they're wrong is just silly, dude. A lot of people enjoyed it. A lot of people didn't. No use in wasting time trying to prove a point that no one is going to be convinced of. You won't win. This movie isn't NEARLY as complicated as all the haters are making it out to be. There's your fact. If you didn't like it, cool. Why piss on everyone's parade that did? You sound very, very angry about this film. And your way of venting is taking it out on people who do like it by telling them that they're wrong and nitpicking it to death. Some of the nitpicks are justified (the film does have its flaws, I think we can all agree on that) but some of them...wow. People are just looking for anything they can. Maybe you should get yourself a dish of ice cream. Or maybe a chocolate bar. Both are good for a little cheering up. Try them. If you're all pissy about Prometheus then well, sucks to be you, guy...
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You disliked the idea of a Space Jockey movie going in? Then what th' hell are you complainin' about? Had faith in Ridley Scott to somehow make your wishes come true? Are you serious?! Don't even try to say you didn't know Prometheus tied into the Alien universe. You went in knowing you would probably hate the movie. And you did. What a surprise! Sounds like you didn't want to even see this movie from the get-go...so why did you? Why even bother with this thread? Your entire argument was completely one-sided even BEFORE the fact, so it is therefore invalid.
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You say you've read the talkback, yet you fall back on the same tired argument that those who dislike the film either don't understand it or are pissed off that questions aren't answered. I think it's been amply demonstrated that that's simply false. As for "pissing on everyone's parade", why are only the fans allowed to vent their views? I'm a huge -- HUGE -- Alien fan and feel horribly let down by Prometheus and Ridley Scott. Why shouldn't I call it a piece of shit in a public forum if I think it is one? Why should you be put out by my contempt for the movie?
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Its right down there at the bottom of the heap with AvsP:Requiem.
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...you can vent about it. Hell, I'll agree that it's always more fun to trash something than to praise it. But telling other people they're flat out wrong for liking a movie that you didn't? C'mon... As far as the reason why a lot of people didn't like it...well, a lot ARE complaining about "unanswered" shit that does get answered in the movie. Not everyone is, of course, but that seems to be one of the major gripes. I'm not trying to make a "people are too dumb to get it" argument. When I saw it for the second time, things were a lot more clear. I actually liked it a lot more the second time around. As far as everyone making lists of nitpicks (ex: see the RedLetterMedia video...which was done in jest, btw...the actual review isn't nearly as relentless)...a lot of them are unfounded. And like they said at the end of the review...if you leave with that many questions and gripes, then you should probably stop going to movies. Look - I can understand why a lot of people didn't care for this movie. At the end of the day, its just a sci-fi film. Nothing fancy about it. It isn't nearly as 'deep' as people are claiming its trying to be. The Alien series itself (which I'm also a huge fan of) is really nothing more than standard sci-fi fare. Same with Prometheus. People didn't get what they were expecting. I'm no different. I think a lot of this can be attributed to how much was given away in the trailers...I mean, we all knew that ship was going to crash. That's the ending given away right there. That's just dumb marketing. Only advice I can give anyone is to see it again. For free, if you can. Don't pay twice to see a movie you didn't like the first time. Give it another chance. You might just come away with a more positive opinion. Or not. But all griping aside, I do think time will be kind to this film. Its a lot of fun.
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*sigh*... Let me try this again: I initially didn't like the idea of a space jockey movie but figured I'd give Scott the benefit of the doubt. I loved what I saw in the trailers and I hadn't read one single review before seeing the movie. Capice? Also -- AGAIN -- my complaints aren't centered on unanswered questions in Prometheus (since the only ones raised have to do with inconsistencies and sheer cretinism), but with the ANSWERS provided and HOW they were presented. I don't actually think you've read the whole talkback, despite what you say.
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...and why the hell would I deny knowing Prometheus was tied to the Alien universe? Has something I posted led you to believe that or is it simply something you pulled out of your ass?
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...as any "hater" or "fan" makes it out to be. I enjoyed it for what it was and look forward to revisiting it when the directors cut comes out. Though I liked it, I can understand the opinion of those who didn't and move on. Why everyone needs everyone on THEIR side of the fence is beyond me. All I know is every movie that I truly hated (the abysmal Juno comes to mind) simply boiled down to I came, I saw, and I never spoke of it again except as a reference at the bottomless pit of yet another Prometheus talkback. Judging by the thousands of responses this movie is getting both good, bad, and indifferent it seems that Ridley has done just what he sent out to do. Honestly I would be a little upset if everyone shared my opinion of the film and would begin to question my own sanity...
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...in these Prometheus talkbacks is how the fans are claiming that all the bile vented over it was somehow all part of Ridley's master plan as if he wanted so many people to hate it. Classic.
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I've already been through this routine with Phantom Menace. It goes something like this: HATER: The movie sucked. APOLOGIST: You just didn't get it. There's just so much going on, you need to see the film a second time. HATER: OK, I saw the movie a second time and it still sucked. In fact, I hated it even more. APOLOGIST: Well, you must be some kind of a dumbfuck to see a movie you allege to hate twice. This tells me you actually loved the film and are just a whiner. So you can't win. I already know the film's a mess. I will give the movie a second chance via the Director's Cut, but it will be through Netflix and not a purchase.
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Let me just ask this. Does the first scene with the engineer indicate with any certainty when it takes place? Or is the timeline left to the audience as to when it actually is?
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The monolith was much more than a cave painting. It actually interfered with our evolution. So it would be more comparable to the what the engineer did. It wasn't just a sign saying " This is where we're from ". As a matter of fact if you'd read the book ( either of them ) you'd know that the monolith was at least semisentient. Comparing the two is like apples and oranges. The only similarity is that an alien species interfered with the course of life on earth. And even that is different. So no ripp off. There've been many SF stories about that ( and many different takes ).
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As to the answers about the SJ culture that Prometheus has provided. It would seem that not all the answers are in yet since clearly this is a story that's not meant to be told in a single movie.
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Last guy that said this got his arm broken by an alien dildo snake, right before it jammed itself down his throat... WHO was this fun for? Not me.... I don't care if the answers are there, I don't care if you think people are complaining about needing to be spoonfed answers... The only answer I need is WHY the fuck should i care about any of these people in the first place... Poor characterizations and story make me bored... So, this movie... was boring... Fuck it... Alien was about a bunch of blue Collar Space truckers finding this crazy shit, NOT about supposed scientists, so there is no comparison... I was never excited about anything these people did... none of their discoveries was... remotely interesting... I just..0/10.
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Dude, there is never going to be a movie about Noomi 'n' The Head's further adventures in space. Even if there were, nothing can repair, reverse or cover up the canon-raping might of Prometheus.
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It seems to me that Fluffy isn't comparing the movies per se, but showing how Cave paintings are a LAZY way to move the story along, as they could degrade with time or never be found or whatever, whereas the monolith was somewhere that pretty much NOTHING could disturb it until we were ready to find it... nobody is looking at ots on a cave painting and thinking to themselves... STAR CLUSTERS! Basically he's just pointing out how fucking inane this movie is, You know... like everyone else in the world... I love how "Haters" have logical points and everyone else is like... This movie is SO DEEP, with no facts from the movie to back them up... No scene in this movie is emotional or surprising... at all... I love how the Robot Guy basically tells the lead chick he killed her BF, and she's like... oh wait... she has no response... she doesn't attack him, or accuse him... she just keeps on walking... awesome. or fucking boring... I don't know, anyone want to help me out, How many fucking androids were on this mission?
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Wow! You're psychic too? I don't think so. And I'm really curious how was it against any canon?
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Well he did use the term " Ripped off " and those two items are very different so how could there be any ripp off?
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I think that he just meant the concept... Not the movie itself, which you pointed out has been done, time and time again, the difference being the poor execution in this doesn't compare to the intelligent exicution in 2001 (which I have not seen actually) but from what I hear, the idea of the monolith on the moon seems to be a brilliant Idea, whereas giants telling stories to cavemen isn't... so much... If you want to see brilliant execution of movies that lead into sequels, see Back to the Future, each is an independent story,with Characters you can relate to (even now) and that gives you anticipation for the next installment, and those movies were a little Sci-Fi too, dealing with time travel without making shit overly confusing... and fun... Prometheus wasn't even Campy fun, people died and I didn't even enjoy it... at all... :\
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It wasn't against any canon, but it was a canon-raper the same way midichlorians were.
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Does anyone else find it weird that almost NONE of these characters was selfish to want to live despite being infected or being faced with the ship leaving... Everyone just died willingly... like... Living... Eh.... No self Preservation at all? Just going to throw yourself into some fire, or slam into a ship huh? Brilliant, Totally relatable and human...
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June 17, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST
Why would cave paintings lead them to a "military outpost"?
by darthwaz1
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June 17, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST
Why would cave paintings lead them to a "military outpost"?
by darthwaz1
and not the engineers home world?
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June 17, 2012, 7:14 p.m. CST
and I thought the "derelicts" caused video/audio disturbance..
by darthwaz1
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All part of Ridley's Master Plan, eh?
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June 17, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST
Oh, this movie won't be forgotten. It will be infamous.
by Chief Joseph
It will be to Ridley Scott what Phantom Menace is to George Lucas and Crystal Skull is to Spielberg. As for a Prometheus Trilogy... It seems like a bad idea to make a movie designed first and foremost to be the foundation of a trilogy. Remember how Terminator Salvation was the first of a trilogy? Remember how Highlander The Source was the first of a trilogy? And the Golden Compass? I'm sure there were many others. It just comes off as presumptuous and bit arrogant. The only time I can recall that really working was Lord of the Rings, but that doesn't really count as that was basically funded and shot as one production.
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Awesomely fallacious argument. You got me! Perhaps, they would have had a competent crew if they would have spent 4 tril? Obviously, 1 tril was yielding a shitty crop of prospects. The cost was an arbitrary number chosen by Lindelof to convey "Yeah, dude, this mission is a big deal." But, it wasn't too much of a "big deal"... they couldn't recruit a competent crew.
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Yes, I have that gut feeling that "black goo" will be the midichlorians of the "Alien" world.
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June 17, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST
Wow, you people really are butthurt about this whole thing.
by positivelySlime
To put this up there with rubbish like Batman & Robin, The Phantom Menace (or AOTC for that matter), and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is just ludicrous. Oh, and @theotherguy... "Robot Guy" never told scientist chick that he infected her boyfriend. She never knew it was him.
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June 17, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST
Yeah, "It's not in the air"was pretty fucking clear to me...
by Hernando
She has a second there to think about it, you can see the realization that he KNEW how douche bag got infected... aaaaaaand... nothing... Stupid People. Stupid Script.
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your right, it's ridiculous to compare, those movies had the excuse of actually not being deep... at all... This lame piece of shit is selling itself as some kind of self realization flick... Barf... I'd watch Phantom Menace over this any time... Fuck, I'd share an apartment in HELL with Jar Jar Binks before seeing prometheus again... :D Hey, Let's make this Star Map lead to... Somwehere we make weapons! THAT'S BRILLIANT!
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June 17, 2012, 8:55 p.m. CST
Nobody said anything about Batman & Robin, Mr. Strawman
by Chief Joseph
But Phantom Menace and Crystal Skull are an apt comparison. Go back and read the old talkbacks; apologists rabidly defended those movies too, with the same tactics-- Labeling those that didn't like it as "haters", saying people weren't smart enough to "get" them, trying to explain away plotholes, etc. And as time passed, most people realized that the films really were hollow and pointless.
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I've figured it out, Okay.... Spielburg, Lucas, and Scott got together one weekend and the convo went something like this... I'm SO fucking tired of Positivelyslime (Or any TBer that loves this piece of shit) Hounding me about making sequels to my other movie (See this could be any one of them) I've got a plan, Let's make PRE-Quels so SO SO FUCKING BAD, nobody wants to see them... ever again, and maybe... just fucking maybe... these fan boys will leave us the fuck ALONE! Spielburg: Fuck that, Harrison Ford isn't getting any younger... I'm making mine a Sequel... and I think we should add that Transformer Kid as his son, that way we can threaten audiences with HIM for any more sequels, that should pretty much crush this franchise... How about you Lucas? Lucas: Well, I'm going with the Prequel Idea, bu I'm going to make 3 of them, that way the Fanboys can choke on their own VOMIT, I'm going to aim for being as offensive as possible, any ideas? Scott: Two words, Jar-Jar Binks... LOL... Well, if this idea works for you guys, Maybe i'll rehash the old Xenomorph story, throw some God in there, that should mess people up a bit... Spielburg: Wait... I got it... how about you make it in the same universe, featuring a lot of your familiar ideas... and then tell everyone it's not really a prequel... That should drive everyone APE SHIT! Scott: Fucking BRILLIANT! Noone would suspect that, and even if they hate it... they can't complain because I warned them it wasn't really a prequel... OMG... that's so fucking funny... Where are those Hookers we called? Jesus, it's been half an HOUR... And the rest you've seen... :D
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they didn't seem to like us much, did they? Apparently Engineers were present at different eras and centers of civilization to show us that map, anticipating that if we should become advanced enough to travel there, we wouldn't make it back...or something. I mean even that's a stretch because they would have assumed that we would find these symbols. But...then I'd have to ask why they never just wiped us out when they started to hate us. Because they couldn't get off of that planet with the bioweapons, right? Because their weapons turned against them? But which weapon? The black goo? That was meant to create life, so...there should have been something else there to have killed all of those Engineers, right? Why wasn't it on the planet anymore? There were still tons of ships according to David. Was the ship Elizabeth and David escaped on a derelict as well? What killed the Engineers?? So if that dead Engineer body was thousands of years old, they meant to wipe us out thousands of years ago. But then why did their home planet not give a shit that we were still around? The black goo creates life by destroying it. =Sometimes to create you have to destroy= and all that. So they were going to come here for a redo? Does that sound right? My nose is bleeding. Hey, I enjoyed the hell out of Prometheus but I think it's alright to question it. It's an interesting response its gotten. I'm not going to ignore the fact that some of the complaints ARE about plot holes. But a lot of the plot holes people are pointing out aren't actually plot holes, they're just gaps that were meant to be enticing only to wind up annoying most people.
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I'm not an apologist for Prometheus. Neither am I trying to convince myself that it is good like the Phantom Menace fanatics did. The last thing in the world I'm going to waste my time with is reading old Episode I talkbacks, because I remember how that shit was. Everyone knew that movie sucked, many just had a hard time coming to grips with the fact. The only thing that grinds my gears is when someone tells me that Prometheus is a terrible movie and that I just can't accept it...that I'm basically lying to myself because I don't want to accept the truth as they see it. If you didn't like it, cool. I can respect that. But most people do. Truth is, the critical response has been solid. Not outstanding, but solid. Its already made its budget back and then some, and will continue to do good box office. It will have a good reputation in the future. Can't deny that. I know this means nothing to you, but there you go. Seems like the only people really trashing it are hardcore fanboys. Everyone I know who has seen it has liked it...the only negative things (and boy, are they negative) I hear being said are on this site. But, that's to be expected.
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That was pretty good, I have to admit.
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June 17, 2012, 9:51 p.m. CST
EASE UP, FELLAS. IT AIN'T PHANTOM MENACE BAD.
by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings
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...who are subconsciously pissed off that this film suggests a big dude with a beard didn't create the earth in 7 days. I thought it had issues, yes... but any haters out there must be really pissed off for SOME reason. How can you truly HATE a film that's given you the best visuals you'll get this year and has triggered the most conversation post-film that you'll likely have until Prometheus 2. Oh, and great practical sets and prosthetics and sound design and score and lead performances and and and... If you really hate it, stop talking about it.
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June 17, 2012, 10:21 p.m. CST
TRUE - THE VISUALS ARE TRULY ORIGINAL AND AMAZING.
by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings
Earth never looked better than in the opening sequence.
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Nothing in Prometheus answers any questions regarding the Jockey in Alien or the eggs in its hold. All we know is what the Jockey *looks* like and what his Jockey brethren were experimenting with long after he died on LV_426. So to answer your question... It can't be answered! There are no "answers provided by Prometheus," that change or contradict anything you suggested in point 1 from Alien.
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"1) a terrifying creature of unfathomable ferocity and inscrutable nature which is either genetically engineered or the product of an evolutionary process too horrifying to contemplate, eggs of which are found in the hold of a derelict spacecraft which may be millions of years old -- a spacecraft with an enigmatic, non-human, fossilized creature in the pilot's seat..." We don't have an answer to this. "Was the pilot merely transporting the eggs or did his culture create the monsters?" We still don't know. " If they did, how much more horrifying and fucked up mustn't their civilization be? And are they still out there somewhere? "" We still don't really know. But now we have clues to the last question. It can be assumed there are more out there. But it could also be assumed the civilization is dead.
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No need to "ease up" because it's not as bad as a Lucas film. With Lucas, my expectations are always low. And his films never pretended to be anything deep or original. With Prometheus, and having seen Alien many times, my expectations were far far higher, and the movie was the perfect poseur in promising something deeper. It didn't deliver. It was a shallow foundation of a movie, with a big beautiful house built around it. It's about expectations. The more disappointed you are, the more you have to say about it. Obviously a lot of people feel just like me. Just because it isn't as bad as Phantom Menace doesn't mean I'm going to temper my criticism.
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I appreciate your lucid defense of Prometheus. And even if you and others are right, even if there is a sequel and brilliant answers are given, it won't change the initial experience I had with the movie. Since we aren't guaranteed a sequel, and certainly aren't guaranteed any answers, I can only judge the film based on what it is, and not what it MIGHT be if we get a sequel. It was lazily written, and a story that is supposed to be "deep" or profound in some way needs to be brilliant. Prometheus wasn't. Thus, my disappointment.
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June 17, 2012, 11:38 p.m. CST
I'm going to keep talking about it. I know plants are reading this.
by Chief Joseph
And I hope they're taking notes for the Director's Cut. If no cut footage is available to make the story clearer, maybe they could at the very least ADR in some exposition. The reason I compare it to TPM and KOTCS is because in all three movies we had a director return to a franchise after a long time, except the director was lazy and did a half-hearted job, and had no one to challenge his bad choices. Speaking for myself only, I just want to say that if you enjoyed the movie, that's great. The only apologists that I'm attacking are the d-bags that are insulting people (like kells) and the one that hasn't seen the damn movie (realdeal) because he "doesn't have time", yet has plenty of time for talkbacks.
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I get that you expected something different than what you received, and I'm sorry you were disappointed. Maybe you'll accept what the movie is instead of what you wanted it to be later in time if you decide to give it some more viewings. I will disagree, however, that we were promised something deep and profound. We are never promised *anything*. We make assumptions about projects based on who is involved and on what we think its going to be about. Its more about our expectations than it is what they're making. As for needing answers, well... We didn't get answers about the Space Jockey in Alien, and I think that's a good enough defense for why we don't get answers to specific questions in this movie either. It was fine for Alien, why is it not fine for movies today? Not trying to start an argument or a debate, just saying.
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June 17, 2012, 11:48 p.m. CST
Can't believe it's the same plot as Star Trek : The Motion Picture
by Domi'sInnerChild
Fassbender playing the Voyager 6, angry that his creator won't listen. Albino Giant guy playing the bald chick that just wanted to get impregnated by anything. Charlize playing Kirk, trying to nail anything a different color. It's really the same crappy misunderstood movie. That just mixed in some Fools Rush In and Leviathan.
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Could someone please explain to me why this is supposed to be a valid reason for not discussing something?
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I don't think we're arguing. I like your approach and bring up good points. I hope you don't mind if I continue the debate. Agreed, we didn't get some answers in Alien. But nowhere near the degree in Prometheus. When I saw Alien, I figured the space jockey was just some unfortunate guy who landed in the wrong place. It wasn't a terrible unanswered question to me. At the end of the movie, I realized there was a lot we didn't know, but we were taken to that point skillfully, with characters acting in believable ways and not a lot of flaws in logic simply to provide plot devices. And I feel we were indeed promised something deep when they showed that first scene. As soon as that pigment-challenged fellow dissolves into the water, and they show his DNA unraveling, they set up something pretty profound that never realized its potential. If there is indeed a sequel, and it wraps things up brilliantly, I'll view Prometheus differently. But as I said, there's no guarantee we'll get that, and I can't assume it when reviewing this film. Anyway, that's how I see it. I respect what you say, and wish I felt like you. Believe me, I really wanted to like this movie. I DO love its visuals, very much. Gorgeous to look at.
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Your mileage may vary...but... 1) You give the Alien Franchise way too much credit. Re-watch Alien, a crew of 7 unlikeable characters, doing some really stupid things at times. Story breaks down into 10 Little Indians in space. I have a feeling if Prometheus had been made in 1977 or so, people would remember it much more fondly. 2) I really didn't see the unexplained problems as flaws so much as mystery, but that's my take on it. I could be wrong, maybe it'll turn out to be just bad writing and not genius. It was setting itself up for a sequel, so I think this may be why there are still many questions. 3) Alien/Prometheus is Lovecraft in Space as experienced by godless, sociopathic humans. I can write off a lot of their behavior as a symptom of the human disease, that is, being owned by an omni corporation with a god complex. WY represents mecantilistic, technocratic, scientific sociopathy. As for the space jockeys, do you really expect the mind of the elder gods to be explained to you when you're reading Lovecraft? They're beyond us, they're Alien, and you have to be fucking insane to create what they have. We meet our Creators, and they've been driven to madness by the horrors they have created. It's also a universe where the Creators and our Children (the androids) all understand us far better than we understand them or even ourselves. 4) I envy you fuckers who can be stranded in the desert with no food or water, but I can hand you a copy of Inception and it keeps you nourished for 40 years. My hat's off to you. I know if it weren't for Inception, your lives would be a fucking desert. Like it or not, Prometheus is one of the best movies to be made in the past decade. It may be a 7/10 flick (which somehow equals 0/10), but compare that to ALL of the shitty genre films of the past ten years that average about 5/10 at best. 1982, the high point of genre films, was a long fucking time ago, it was not the norm then and sure isn't now. 5) Prometheus treats the audience more like an adult than Avatar ever did. That's my opinion of course, but watch each one and see which is trying to preach a guilt trip agenda more.
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Agreed. Imagine how boring this talkback would be if it was nothing but a bunch of gushing fanboys. It's the people who tell me I shouldn't be here that keep me coming back. Thanks, guys.
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The reasoning probably is something like "If you hated it, you wouldn't want to keep revisiting it. If you liked it, you *would* want to continue talking about it." Just a guess. Personally, not liking something doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to keep talking about it. It would be annoying for those who enjoyed it to continue hearing someone slam it repeatedly, but debating or discussing? Totally cool.
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June 18, 2012, 12:07 a.m. CST
So we're not allowed to write about how bad AVP, Alien 3, and Alien Resurrected sucked?
by Domi'sInnerChild
Just a really weird argument being made. I wonder what would happened to right wing talk radio if they couldn't talk about stuff they didn't like.
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You almost sounded reasonable until you said "Like it or not, Prometheus is one of the best movies to be made in the past decade." Wow, man. If you really think that, there's nothing I can say to save you from the ravenous hunger of your own ignorance. And comparing it to Avatar doesn't make it a fucking masterpiece. Avatar was shit. Big deal if Prometheus was better. That's comparing diarrhea to dysentery. So WHAT if one is better than the other. I don't want either. Please don't mistake me as saying Prometheus is diarrhea, however. It IS better than that, and beautiful to watch, but poorly poorly written, just a dreadful mess of a story. Alien was far more competent of a film. Like I said, though, you're lost. You believe Prometheus is one of the best movies in the last decade. I can understand believing that if you're only ten years old. I'm sure it seems like quite a deep movie to you, then. But intelligent, discerning adults know better.
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June 18, 2012, 12:09 a.m. CST
"It will be infamous." Oh so not forgotten then? Christ you whiney bitches can't even get your hating straight..
by quantize
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As I've been catching up on another message board, considering I didn't see Prom until friday night, I haven't read everything here. What were your major problems with the movie? As far as unanswered questions, the only ones I can think of at the moment are... 1. Was the Engineer's death at the beginning a sacrifice to create life or a punishment/execution that resulted in accidental creation? 2. Why did they decide to cull humanity 2000 years ago? 3. What killed the Engineers in the temple? I think we have clues to answer #3 but nothing concrete, and I'm cool with that. Same with #1, and as far as #2 goes, I'd love if it had something to do with Jesus, or maybe its all just coincidence. Anyway, I'm fine with those unanswered questions. Were those the ones that really bugged you or was it something else? For my part, I avoided all reviews and spoilers and only had a vague notion of what the movie was going to be about. The opening? Fantastic. But was it intentional creation or Prometheus's punishment that resulted in our accidental creation? The nightmarish creatures were *fantastic*. I love that the movie showed just how horrific life truly is, mercilessly growing, mutating, destroying, and taking over in its quest to expand. I love the parallel between the proto-xenomorph's birth at the end and our creation in the beginning. I love Shaw leaving to find more answers with a head in a duffel bag. David was rad. The visuals were great. Its inspired so much debate on this other board... I can't wait to see it again and pick up on more stuff I completely missed the first time (like allusions to Jesus' virgin birth with Shaw getting pregnant with a special child).
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June 18, 2012, 12:12 a.m. CST
Oh yes, lets compare apples and oranges...Prometheus to 2001. Holy shit that's some desperate hating right there..
by quantize
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June 18, 2012, 12:13 a.m. CST
Yes, please revoke my imaginary geek/cinephile membership card that comes from the office of giggles and geek chic
by lv_426
Because I haven't taken such a binary "love it" or "hate it" stance on Prometheus, and because I think Predators is better than the two AvP films. Yes, that has lots to do with the grand scope of cinema. How foolish could I be to not compare classics like 2001, Citizen Kane, Seven Samurai, Rear Window, and Taxi Driver against such excellent and defining work as AvP?
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Cause this shit is ReHashed... ;) It takes an OLD story and makes it visually stunning and completely illogical and boring... YAY... :\ Why base your judgment on what it could be in a sequel? That's completely moronic and illogical as face-humping a space cobra... Stuck it right in my mouth after he broke my arm... Yep, that's how I met my first husband...
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Said I just saw Prometheus friday night and haven't read enough TBs to know what your problems were. Then went on to list the unanswered questions I could remember. 1. Was the opening scene sacrifice to create or punishment/execution that resulted in accidental human creation? 2. What caused the Engineers to want to cull us 2000 years ago? 3. What killed the Engineers? 4. What exactly was the goo? Damnit, I had a nice long, police post about it and its lost. Ugh. So I'll make this the short, curt version, my apologies. Did you have other questions you wanted answered? I'm fine with these not being answered. They're not important to the plot or theme in my opinion. I loved the visuals. LOVED the monsters. David was rad. Its inspired SO much debate between myself and others on another movie message board I frequent. Crap, what else did I write... Damn man, sorry.
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June 18, 2012, 12:16 a.m. CST
"Nothing in Prometheus answers any questions regarding the Jockey in Alien or the eggs in its hold."
by Shermdawg
Yes it does. That's like one of the main things the film answers. Not only does it show how the xenomorph life cycle began, by showing the creation of a whole separate strain of the creature, but they laid out clues that tied in with the crashed ship on LV-426. Have you not been reading my posts? That's like the one thing I've harped on and on about regarding one of the few things this film actually got right....despite not really needing to bog down all that time just to give us that stupid ending.
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You fuckers don't get it. It is not an Alien prequel. It is not a Predator sequel. It is something much different. It is about the origins of civilization. It is about gods and monsters from ancient times. If you watch it expecting an Alien prequel or a Predator sequel, you will probably be disappointed. It is so cool to hate on AvP. You AICN haters think you're so fucking cool.
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Freaking AICN. I could reload the page 3 times and it never shows up, but a few minutes and one poorly retyped post later, and BAM there it is.
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But Predators isn't that good either, LV_426, in my opinion anyway. I actually hated the super-predators, but that doesn't mean the movie is good or bad bc of them. I actually have a secret affinity for AvP:R bc they just say the hell with it and kill EVERYONE in gruesome ways. And its got the Predator version of the cleaner, Wolf, from Pulp Fiction. Badass motherfucker who's sent in just to clean up the mess.
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June 18, 2012, 12:21 a.m. CST
There is no fan service in Prometheus, cause it is such a groundbreaking masterpiece of nerdfilm
by lv_426
Oh, well, except for the shitty looking alien toddler that emerges from the engineer at the end. You know, that pointy-headed thing that looks like a cross between a cartoony goblin and a dolphin? http://i.imgur.com/hpC7D.jpg
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*sigh*.... Now I know you're being obtuse. 1) We now know that the Space Jo(c)keys are human, which makes the universe suddenly much smaller and more knowable. It's a classic case of bobafettism and it cheapens the potential of the original enigma in Alien. 2) We now know that the Jo(c)keys have a catch-all magical goo that has no limit to its capabilities when it comes to moving movie plots along. It reanimates dead things, it super-evolves living organisms and -- apparently -- randomly creates new lifeforms based on who it's infected and in what manner. All organisms either mutated, reanimated or spawned by the magic wonder-goo are hostile and lethal. 2) We now know that the familiar Alien creatures are merely a random offshoot of this process, a biological weapon, neither unique nor naturally evolved. 3) We now know that the original derelict was indeed transporting a variant of said organisms when disaster struck. 4) We now know that the derelict either isn't millions of years old (since fossilization of organisms after 2000 years is impossible) or that the jo(c)key civilization hasn't changed much since the ancient derelict crashed. Now you can argue until you're blue in the face that these things aren't overtly stated in Prometheus, but you know as well as I do that Scott is, at the very least, suggesting them very strongly in his movie. So strongly in fact that no immediate alternatives are obvious outside of the imaginations of fevered Ridley fanboys who are pinning their hopes and dreams on: a) future sequels b) super-secret sequels already in the can c) film critics of the future d) the supposed stupidity of those who hate the film However, the savior of Prometheus -- The New Space Adventures of Noomi & The Head -- will likely never materialize -- at least not under Scott's direction. Ridley Scott is notoriously skittish when it comes to audience reception and enough criticism by far has been leveled at Prometheus to ensure he won't venture into the Alienverse again.
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June 18, 2012, 12:26 a.m. CST
Star Trek was butter, cuz red matter iz much moar powerfuller
by lv_426
red mater > black gooo
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It's not just about unanswered questions to me. It's about what I view as a very poorly written story, and terrible dialogue. The cast was there merely to kill off, often in ways that forced them to act unlike most humans would act, and certainly in ways that professional scientists would act. Unless the Weyland Corporation hired everybody in a Denny's the night before the mission. But would even Denny's customers sign up for a many-years mission without know what they were doing? No, I'm sorry, the list of complaints is way too long for me to enumerate. It is all so improbable, and we're asked to accept too many unlikely things just because they wrote a really lazy story. No amont of rewatching this film is going to change that opinion. But look, I have other things to do and I'm wasting time here. I've gotta go. I'll probably be back, but not for a while. Peace, dudes.
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June 18, 2012, 12:29 a.m. CST
My buddy just pointed something out to me that is going over everyone's head...
by Shermdawg
There are two goos. One that is stored in the urns that we see Holloway drink, and presumably the Jockey in the beginning, then there's the black goo that is in the temple. Remember how both it and the storm popped up at the same time? It was a "booby trap".
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To SOLITARY CONFINEMENT FOR A MONTH WITH YOU! "1) We now know that the Space Jo(c)keys are human, which makes the universe suddenly much smaller and more knowable. It's a classic case of bobafettism and it cheapens the potential of the original enigma in Alien." Your opinion. Just an opinion. I don't share it. It is also completely unrelated to my last post which a response to one of your last posts (in which the Jockeys did not figure into... you started discussing the mystery of the eggs). "2) We now know that the Jo(c)keys have a catch-all magical goo that has no limit to its capabilities when it comes to moving movie plots along. It reanimates dead things, it super-evolves living organisms and -- apparently -- randomly creates new lifeforms based on who it's infected and in what manner. All organisms either mutated, reanimated or spawned by the magic wonder-goo are hostile and lethal." Prometheus stole fire from the gods. In this case, "fire" is the building blocks for life. We don't know what it is exactly, but what we do know is it has the capability to rapidly create, evolve, and mutate life. Its a weapon so far out of our comprehension. Its alien, its godlike. It... fits. "2) We now know that the familiar Alien creatures are merely a random offshoot of this process, a biological weapon, neither unique nor naturally evolved." We actually *don't* know that. The movie suggests this could be the case. But the movie also suggests this life goo could actually have been developed from the xenomorphs as we know them. Its *their* DNA that the Engineers have stored in vases to use as weapons. This is a good debate. "3) We now know that the original derelict was indeed transporting a variant of said organisms when disaster struck." No, we don't. Especially considering the derelict had probably been there longer than the derelict in Prometheus (as a result of the Jockey's fossilization). If the goo comes from pre-existing xenomorphs, than its possible this derelict with eggs was much, much older than the ship in Prometheus. We still don't know that ship's story. That mystery has *not* been ruined. "4) We now know that the derelict either isn't millions of years old (since fossilization of organisms after 2000 years is impossible) or that the jo(c)key civilization hasn't changed much since the ancient derelict crashed." Nope. See above. "Now you can argue until you're blue in the face that these things aren't overtly stated in Prometheus," But they are *not* overtly stated! That's just one interpretation! ..." but you know as well as I do that Scott is, at the very least, suggesting them very strongly in his movie. So strongly in fact that no immediate alternatives are obvious outside of the imaginations of fevered Ridley fanboys who are pinning their hopes and dreams on:" I just suggested alternatives. Nothing is overtly stated in this movie EXCEPT that we come from Engineers, either accidentally or intentionally. But they are *not* overtly stated! That's just one interpretation!
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That's a common criticism I find easy to refute: "The cast was there merely to kill off, often in ways that forced them to act unlike most humans would act, and certainly in ways that professional scientists would act." What was the cast in ALIEN? They were there to kill off too. Did you get to know them any better? No, not really. Rose-colored glasses, my friend. In ALIEN, they even suggest splitting up, which is why Harry Dean Stanton gets killed. Is that unlike how most humans would act, especially after seeing a friend and co-worker killed by the creature they're looking for? "Unless the Weyland Corporation hired everybody in a Denny's the night before the mission. But would even Denny's customers sign up for a many-years mission without know what they were doing?" My impression is that these guys are ALL employees of the Corporation. They don't get to sign up. They get ordered. "But look, I have other things to do and I'm wasting time here. I've gotta go. I'll probably be back, but not for a while." Awww damnit, I just wasted time on this response, didn't I.
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" Ridley Scott is notoriously skittish when it comes to audience reception and enough criticism by far has been leveled at Prometheus to ensure he won't venture into the Alienverse again." Yeah except the audience reception and criticism you're referring to so far speaks only to Talkbackers. Professional critics have given it a majority of positive reviews, and last I checked RottenTomatoes (which we can argue is a good indicator or bad indicator of audience reaction) was positive on the audience front too. So based on that, I'd say a sequel is still possible.
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"Not only does it show how the xenomorph life cycle began, by showing the creation of a whole separate strain of the creature, but they laid out clues that tied in with the crashed ship on LV-426." No, that's just an interpretation of the movie. If the ship on LV_426 is older than the one on Prometheus (which is very much suggested), what then? It means the xeno eggs are older than the 2000 year old ship in Prommy, which means... Xenos have existed before! Hence the relief on the wall in the Temple. Perhaps the goo comes from xenomorphs and is hardwired to eventually turn life into xenos after much mutation and mingling with other lifeforms, hence the proto-looking xeno at the end. You could read it that THIS xeno then spawns the xeno eggs somehow that end up in another ship on another planet 30 years later with a dead jockey that looks ancient... You could interpret that. But I interpret it differently. "Have you not been reading my posts?" No dude, I just got here! I didn't see the movie until friday night! "That's like the one thing I've harped on and on about regarding one of the few things this film actually got right....despite not really needing to bog down all that time just to give us that stupid ending." Wait, so what do you think it got right? By setting up the origin of the Alien, by your interpretation? Me, I just see it as a sideways evolution. I think it could mean a number of things (its the beginning of xenos, it came from the DNA of xenos, its a sideways evolution that suggests xenos started out similarly). But absolutely NOTHING is concrete where this movie is concerned.
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June 18, 2012, 12:46 a.m. CST
"the movie also suggests this life goo could actually been developed from the xenomorphs. Its *their* DNA that the Engineers have stored in vases. This is a good debate."
by Shermdawg
Indeed it is.
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If people want to debate this properly and civil-like, that is!
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You're stretching and giving Scott much more credit than he deserves. The things you mentioned are as much opinions and speculation as you claim my points are. The difference is you're going through enormous mental gymnastics in order to make inconsistencies and demystification seem, well, consistent and mysterious. Whatever floats your boat, chief.
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If I'm giving too much credit, maybe you're being too pessimistic. As I stated above, *nothing* is concrete. I'm not doing mental gymnastics, and the fact that you suggest as much is insulting to me. I'm not talking about inconsistencies, I'm talking about EXACTLY what was up onscreen. I'm talking about what was said and discovered in the original ALIEN and how it relates to what was discovered in Prometheus. Trying to insult me in this regard is a feint to distract away from the fact that you are not disproving my interpretations, or even disproving the fact that one *can* walk away from this movie with a different conclusion. But whatever floats your boat, chief. You're one of the good ones here. I see no need for us to fight over a disagreement. And certainly no need to insult the other. I'll just leave you with the facts as presented by the two movies: 1. The derelict in ALIEN had been there an EXTREMELY long time, probably longer than the one in Prometheus based on dead Space Jockey fossilization. 2. The goo in Prometheus results in a xenomorph like creature (which suggests origins for the Alien directly, but also suggests creatures evolved from the Alien's DNA). 3. A Xenomorph is on a relief wall in Prometheus. If the Xeno is evolved from this goo, why have a relief of a creature yet to exist? Do you really see that as stretching? What makes you see concrete answers and not ambiguity and hints and clues?
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I overlooked the question of where the goo came from and was too focused on the origin of the Xenomorphs and them being used as weapons to wipe out Earth. I assumed, after the whole Jesus Jockey crucifixion/Christianity/rogue jockey/rival faction pissed off our creators they birthed some face huggers with the goo, harvested some queens, and produced eggs to send back to Earth. Something went down at the temple, they were infected, and one ship made a last ditch effort to complete the mission, but failed and crashed, and the "fossilized" line in Alien was just a description of the way the Jockey looked, nothing concrete. Given as many scientific errors Prometheus has, I wouldn't put it past them to overlook just how long something takes to fossilize. But the idea that the Xenomorphs already existed and the goo is a byproduct of their DNA is such a fascinating idea, especially combined with the "if they made us, who made them?" hint that there is someone above Jockeys on the totem pole. God damn this movie.
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"he things you mentioned are as much opinions and speculation as you claim my points are." Exactly. That's what we're doing. Expressing opinions and speculation.
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$217,458,000 worldwide so far, and the film is releasing worldwide in waves up until like August.
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A sequel is still possible. We aren't suits and we don't control the money, so let's stop pretending we know how the future will turn out. ROTFL.
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Exactly! I hadn't considered that either, that the goo came from the Xenos. But there IS that wonderful shot, an extreme closeup of that tiny dot of goo on David's fingertip, and the arch of lights reflected in the goo makes it look like a tiny curved head of a xenomorph. Why I think the goo actually comes from xenomorphs is this: 1. The xenomorph relief in the temple wall. Worship? Regard? Symbol of death? 2. The goo eventually mutates itself into a creature resembling a xenomorph. 3. The timeline doesn't match up between Prometheus and Alien if that proto-Xeno at the end is supposed to eventually spawn the eggs in Alien. What did it mate with to eventually create a queen as we know it to lay eggs and infect another Space Jockey and crash another ship on another planet? The steps that have to lead to this are... far too numerous. 4. The fact that WE are evolved from the Jockeys. Its this last point that really makes me believe the goo comes from xenos. So in the beginning, an Engineer dies and his DNA becomes us, right? Or as it is implied, anyway. This was either intentional or it was accidental. But either way, in the end, we turned out to look like them and have matching DNA. Now how the fuck does that happen? After all that evolution, we coincidentally turn out to look so much like thm? What about cro-magnons and all the offshoots and apes? Well here's the key: what if the DNA is hardwired to seek out mutations that *lead* to a specific end result. In other words, no matter how much evolution we go through, we will eventually turn out just like the Jockeys. This explains how we could go from single-celled organisms to apes to humans that look like the Creator. It also explains the xenomorphs. If the goo comes from them and has been harnessed and modified by the Engineers, then it makes sense to reason that the goo works the same way as we did: It is hardwired to eventually evolve itself into the xenomorph as we know it. Hence the proto-xeno at the end of the movie. Why is it eyeless? Why a squid-like face-hugger before that? Its all crazy-life mutating goo that will go in so many bizarre directions, BUT will *always* retain xenomorph qualities and will eventually get to the desired result: Aliens as we know them. Why else would the mutated worms in the Temple have acid for blood? Its in the Xeno DNA, that's why! Now as far as your last line, Shermy, who is above the Space Jockeys? Who created them? Well, as far as the Prometheus legend goes, he stole the secret from the Gods, and if his secret is the life-creating goo, and it comes from the xenos, then... how do they fit? Why would the Engineers dress like xenos unless they worship them and want to emulate their creator? Just a thought.
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Its the perfect marriage of Creationism and Evolution, the idea that God influenced evolution to get man to a specific copy in his image. Makes sense, right? So why could not the Jockeys do the same thing, have DNA goo that mutates to a specific creature. Humans in one case, Xenomorphs in another.
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June 18, 2012, 1:33 a.m. CST