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Score Samples From THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Zimmer Their Way Onto The Internet!!
Via Batman-News.com come samples of Hans Zimmer's THE DARK KNIGHT RISES score - due for release July 17 (preorder HERE). And, not at all surprisingly, it sounds just like you'd expect a Christopher Nolan Batman movie to sound - i.e. pretty similar to the previous two entries in his series.
The track listing below may feasibly contain SPOILERS in the most abstract sense, or if you're spoiler atopic, but if you can glean any particularly pointed details out of these listings you're a better person than I. Or, at the very least you're more awake.
THE DARK KNIGHT RISES arrives in theaters July 20, and tickets are already on sale across the country for both opening week screenings and Nolan-era Batmarathons which will precede this film's debut in many regions.
Here are the samples...
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My lucky day...
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Maybe it's just me but where are the immediately recognisable themes of yore? 90% of the movies scored by John Williams are instantly recognisable , Goldsmith, Morricone all had beautiful themes that had their own character and could be listened to seperate from the movie. These days it's just aural filling with loud trumpets but i challenge anyone to a movie theme quiz with the latest tentpole releases and see how many you can recognize
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the Zimmer factory for that. Hans Zimmer is responsible for one of the greatest soundtracks of recent years with The Thin Red Line but now, his company is just a fastfoodrestaurant for movie scores: always the same instrumentation and bombast, carboncopied from a couple good ones (Pirates of the Caribbean, The Thin Red line) to form a uniform sludge that is interchangeable with many other movies. There's no my goose bumps when i experience music at the movies. Tss.
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June 14, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST
I thought Gregorian chants were requstite for Super-Hero movies.
by cookylamoo
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I have loved a few select standout tracks from the past two movies, including the arched theme from the past two...couldn't hear much in this so far, but hold out hope I can replace my ringtone with something from dark knight rises!
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June 14, 2012, 9:13 a.m. CST
LISTENING TO THESE CLIPS NOW... NOT BAD... THEY WILL HAVE MORE MEANING UPON SEEING THE ACTUAL FILM... CAN'T WAIT!
by Astronut
It's gonna be awesome. Nolan doesn't make a bad movie. Although I thought Ridley Scott back in the ALIEN universe would have been a HOME RUN. Sadly, that was not the case. Sigh
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Zimmer's non-score
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....Huge bald guy that smashes everything. I feel like I'll be watching Prometheus, with bats. Maybe Batman can make a joke about Stills' squeezebox before he goes to Catwoman's room. bleh.
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wondering like I am if their voice made it into the final chant via the UJAM campaign held a while back. Not like anyone will be able to hear it once they are all mixed. Never done anything like that but figured what the hell... Sounds fun. Just remember if the score sucks don't blame me... I did my part! :D Felt like I was gonna pass out after my one and only take. I think I nearly ruptured something screaming into that mic... Scared my dogs too.
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June 14, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST
They actually had a full-blown batman theme for Batman begins but for one reason or another it wasn't used.
by Johannes Kääpä
But I think there are snippets from it in the Dark Knight score in some of the tracks such as " like a dog chasing cars". Also Newton-Howard wasn't part of The Dark Knight as far I can tell. It was all Zimmer...
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June 14, 2012, 9:30 a.m. CST
so much complainy pants..sounds better than the last two scores.
by zom-bot.com
'mind if i cut in' sounds very catwomany, even if i hadn't seen her dancing with him in the trailers. 'underground army' sounds a little carpenter-y..which is a good thing...
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.....the big scores lately have all been big, overblown epic nothings....a lot of symphonic heaving with no themes, no identity, no real connection to the movies they're written for. These scores are just being slathered on top of the movies like a layer of generic high-fat mayonaisse. Every time I hear one of these epic musical fails...I weep for the passing of Jerry Goldsmith. On the bright side....I've heard rumors that James Horner's "Amazing Spider-man" score is definitely a return to old-school, memorable-theme scoring. One can only pray...
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it would be cool if they'd at least put our names in the credits as background voices or something like that.
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June 14, 2012, 9:33 a.m. CST
The best themes are themes you can hum...sadly missing from modern scores
by alienindisguise
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Damn you Michael Bay
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My goodness, what a boring score - just noise. Where are the great scores nowadays? This Hans Zimmer shit is always the same and you will forget the music instantly when you left the cinema. After all these year I can remember the main theme from Batman (Danny Elfman). What a great score - Elfman, Williams, Goldsmith - the true masters of filmmusic!
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There are great atmospheric scores, Drive by Cliff Martinez for instance or Jon Hopkins' beautiful ambienty score for Monsters but what i miss are the heroic, rousing themes like Indiana Jones and Terminator theme...themes, when you hum them, a suitably knowledgeable person could recognise in a heartbeat. I've seen Avengers, enjoyed it tremendously but i couldn't remember the theme if it would save my life. A missed opportunity, imho...
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June 14, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST
alright, i'll agree about the rest sounding like 'mush'..but-
by zom-bot.com
the two i mentioned sound good, have more character in them then anything i can remember in Dark Knight (other than joker's crazy string nises)
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Damn you Michael Bay
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June 14, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST
The truest true master of film scoring is Bernard Herrmann
by Mickster_Island
I mean, really listen to Psycho. It's gorgeous. And North by Northwest. Taxi Driver Jason and the Argonauts Mysterious freakin Island - amazing score Vertigo Day the Earth Stood Still Citizen Kane Dude knew his stuff. Somebody put his theme for Vertigo over the bank robbery opening scene of Dark Knight. WAY better than Zimmer's Tool-lite junk.
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It looks nothing like a bat. But if you flip it upside down it looks like a bird. Phoenix... Rising? Nah just a coincidence. Or is it? Seriously though it's just a coincidence. That'd be one AWKward bow legged bird. Shit's getting too real... I either need less pot or more...
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June 14, 2012, 9:46 a.m. CST
To be honest The Elfman's original score for the89' Batman would feel out of place in these Nolan's more "realistic" and gritty films.
by Johannes Kääpä
Still love the Elfman score soo much but I don't think it would fit these films as wel as it did with the original ones. And really take a good listen to the track from the Dark Knight score album, especially the track "Like a dog chasing cars", there's a couple of nice, even hummable themes for batman in there if you listen closely.
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Here's a tasty little on topic nugget for those who haven't heard it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttV5C5evB7Y
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June 14, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST
Avengers didn't have a 'theme', did it? a great idea would have been:
by zom-bot.com
-elements of each character's themes in medley, swimming together into a big, classic, rousing theme. alas, none of the individual movies had their own memorable theme to work with, so there you go. if any character should have had a great oldschool theme ala' Williams it should have been Captain America. hell, a good composer could have mixed riffs and elements of the old Hulk theme, Sabbath's Iron Man, the star spangled banner (or something patriotic and faster) and Flight of the Valkyrie (unless you have a better 'nordic' tune in mind) into something interesting.
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Drive and Monsters had great scores and yes, I would think that of all the current movies that should have a memorable theme it would be the Avengers but it had nothing. Definitely a HUGE wasted opp.
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I think it's absolute shit, but the guy must be doing something right since his scores for TDK and Inception were selling like hot cakes.
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June 14, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST
I did think Elfman did a pretty memorable score on the first 2 Spider-Man films
by Wcwlkr
Elfman and Williams seem to rule in making scores that instantly make you think or remember the movie. I thought Zimmer did a really good job on TDK, you could feel the tension rising with The Joker's action and the score.
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June 14, 2012, 10:09 a.m. CST
it's conflicting to say Zimmer 'composed' the Inception theme...
by zom-bot.com
i guess other elements were mixed in, but wasn't it just the French song slowed down 800%...brilliant yes, and probably not even his idea, more likely Nolan's.
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the Batman Begins soundtrack to me. I wonder if this means this movie will be closer in tone to it?
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According to IMDB, Howard was offered the gig to co-score the film with Zimmer again, but he declined since Nolan and Zimmer have such a great working relationship now. His exact words, according to IMDB, were that he'd feel like a "third wheel" if he came back.
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June 14, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST
The music in Batman Begins is totally identifiable with its own personality
by Autodidact
I love the naming convention too. Track names use the latin toxonomy for various bats.
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The scores of any Marvel movie since Spidey 2. I mean the Captain America score was soul suckingly awful.
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June 14, 2012, 10:19 a.m. CST
Listen to Underground Army. Sounds just like Shredder's theme from the 1990 TMNT OST...
by CodeName
Shredder's Suite: http://youtu.be/3mVTf-ppd2s Maybe Zimmer was a TMNT fan.
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June 14, 2012, 10:20 a.m. CST
Maybe not totally identifiable... what I mean is that I think Batman Begins had good use of music
by Autodidact
while TDK has some decent bits but overall it was a lot more WHAM-echo-whooshy stuff.
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Chugga chugga strings and big drums. Dark drones and simplistic rising melodramatic strings. Yep. Another Zimmer score. Another composer from the past cries a single tear.
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BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Repeat for 2 3/4 hours.
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has a main score that is easily recognized. i like it.
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There is an Avengers theme...it gets played, briefly, for the first time over the title. It could have been more memorable than it is, and it doesn't help that it's used very sparingly throughout the score.
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Completely agree. Look at Williams' work for Raiders- chock full of themes. The Raiders March, The Ark Theme, Marion's Theme. He weaves and blends them into the score so beautifully, and gives us some great atmospheric music. Hell, even the truck chase has a memorable melody. I was sure the Avengers would be an opportunity for somebody to bring in some great themes. Nope. Also miss Goldsmith. His STTMP score is one of the greatest ever written.
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THIS however, does give a far better feel of what to expect I hope; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX2jqQbwHyQ
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June 14, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST
You people aren't paying close enough attention, or you're only seeing shitty movies
by Jeremy Jurgens
The work of composers like Michael Giacchino, Dario Marianelli, and many others refute pretty much every claim about modern scores I've read on here. Shit, the score for John Carter alone blows your collective thesis right out of the water. Theme-driven, dynamic, and highly original. And that one's not alone. Not by a long shot. For example, I've been humming the theme for Prometheus for 2 weeks now, and I don't think I'm alone on that one. As for this Zimmer score, I can't wait for the whole thing!
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Shut up with your bullshit about how its missing JNH. How the fuck do you know what it would've sounded like? BTW - Wasn't the original POTC music done by another guy that worked with Zimmer?
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June 14, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST
Yeah, but the few good composers left aren't allowed to score the big blockbuster-type films
by Nasty In The Pasty
Unless it's a composer who has attached themselves to that rare contemporary filmmaker who appreciates good film music (see Michael Giacchino with J.J. Abrams and Pixar, Danny Elfman with Tim Burton, John Williams with Steven Spielberg, ect.), these guys just plain don't get allowed to write lush, theme-driven scores these days...when $200 million is on the line, studio heads want EVERY aspect of the movie to hew ridgidly to the formulas of what has "worked" in the past, and that means bland, mushy synth/string chugga-chugga-chugga ostinatos, blaring horns and tons of percussion, mainly because the simpler the music, the easier it is to change it to "fit" an endlessly re-edited movie. Even a great composer like Jerry Goldsmith spent the last fiften or so years of his career wting music that was GREATLY simplified compared to his heyday of the 60's through the mid-80's. Compare the action music in 1975's The Wind & The Lion to something like 1998's U.S. Marshalls, and the music isn't nearly as complex, imaginative or propulsive. And yet even a "functional" 90's Goldsmith score is brilliant compared to the BULLSHIT that passes for music in this day and age. I wonder if there will actually BE any new fans of film music from this generation, as the music for all of the movies they watch is so relentlessly boring.
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June 14, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST
"Why Do We Fall" was the best. It sounded like James Newton Howard
by D.Vader
Rise was pretty good too.
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There's been plenty of discussion over what tunes and melodies JNH created for the previous Batman flicks. You're like a child that wanders into the middle of a movie.
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He is more than capable of doing memorable, theme driven pieces (Pirates? Hello?) ...but a composer also needs to give the director what they want. Obviously, Nolan doesn't want to go the bombastic, over the top super hero theme route. He wants it muted, because his films are muted - both in color and styling - in order to be more "real world". Hell, if he really wanted to go "realistic", there wouldnt BE a score unless someone happened to have a radio on. But to say Zimmer sucks because these themes aren't memorable is just pish posh. They aren't, true ...BUT I think if Nolan asked him for an updated version of the animated series theme, he'd deliver quite a memorable one. One composer who routinely does amazing, memorable work (even though it is for games) is Harry Gregson Williams (Metal Gear Solid). Wish he'd do some big movies like this.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ac4xamCIgY But I agree about film scores having less real identity. Avengers in particular could have rocked and epic score, but it never took off for me.
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haters: fuck you.
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It's called Philip Glass + Tuba Farts
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By listening to 5 minutes of score without seeing the any of the film, you can determine that Zimmer's score is not up to par because its "lacking" JNH's HA! How can you judge the music without first seeing the film? That's just pretentious bs.
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Not only that but you say.... "Why Do We Fall" was the best. It sounded like James Newton Howard. Dude, how do you know Zimmer didn't incorporate JNH's melodies and themes throughout the entire film's score??!
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Hans Zimmer is one of the greatest film composers ever. His score for The Thin Red Line is one the finest scores ever created and stands on it's own as a work of orchestral music. His scores on the Nolan films are decent but he is much better on his scores outside of Nolan.
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Deep Red and Suspiria >>>>> everything
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But I didn't judge the music and I certainly didn't say anything like "Zimmer's score is not up to par because its "lacking" JNH's". You're putting words in my mouth. All I said was that I miss JNH's input. And based off of what I know he contributed to in the past two movies, yes, based on these 30 second clips, I don't hear much of his same flavor. It would be foolhardy of me to say "This score SUCKS! This is terrible without JNH!" But I didn't, did I? I only said that I miss his input meaning that yes, based on these snippets, I can hear his absence. Maybe it will sound better in the finished product, and in fact, I can bet you it will. Just about *every* score sounds better than the 30 second snippets provided in teasers. You say "Dude, how do you know Zimmer didn't incorporate JNH's melodies and themes throughout the entire film's score??! " I don't. But I don't hear them anywhere else but in that track. I stand by what I said. I miss James Newton Howard in these clips.
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everything else
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frosting on top
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Zombot, that's not entirely true: There was a part of the Inception score that was based on the slowed version of "Je ne regrette rien". But the main theme of the score (the one that's best recognizable in the track "Time") is an original theme by Hans - and, as I may add, quite a brilliant one. I think it has become quite trendy to bash Hans and his scores (I'm not implying you do, Zombot!). I think that he has revolutionized and changed film music more than any composer in the last 25 years. The depth of his (psychological and director-like) approach to scores and the "efficiency" of his music is unparalleled, I think. All those who are just bashing him without any particular reason or good argument should just accept that Hans is the most influential film composer of our time.
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June 14, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST
Nice to see you guys clearly have no idea what a good score is.
by MariusXe
John Williams? I wouldn't want that cheesy stuff anywhere near this movie. Not everything can sound like 80s movie soundtracks. Zimmers scores for the last three Nolan movies are easily the best movie scores in decades. But what am I arguing with you fucks for. Its like trying to explain Radiohead or Godspeed you black emperor to a bunch of Billy Idol fans.
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June 14, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST
A lot o Zimmer's stuff BEFORE The Thin Red Line was repetitive, fast-food junk too. The Thin Red Line was just a refreshing change of pace.
by jawsfan
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phenomenal... am I the only one? 'Time' blows my mind.
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June 14, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST
Also I really hope the music from the MTV movie awards clip
by rapscallion86
is somewhere in the film. That shit is the heat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcGCGUkGgxA&feature=related
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June 14, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST
Also in reaponse to modern score hate, I present.... Th
by xcornealiousx
Thomas Newman, and Michael Giachinno (I forget how spelling, pardon me), both these composers create really original music, that is really strong, and helps build on emotiOns etc. Love them both!
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LOL.
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I've absolutely adored the Nolan Batman films' scores so far. When everyone was bitching that there was no "theme" to Batman Begins, I wondered if they were all deaf. Sure, it doesn't have a blasting fanfare like the easily-recognizable Elfman score, but that duuuuuunnnnnnn-DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN main score is fucking breathtaking in it's beautiful simplicity. I'm not a huge fan of modern synthy scores, but the Bats films are an exception. It blends just enough to get the right sound. It will be interesting to see how Zimmer does solo once the music is in context with the film. I didn't know he was flying solo on this until now. Kinda weird.
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No themes? Whaaa? No clue what you're talking about. Use your ears! =)
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June 14, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST
Hans Zimmer didn't write the Pirates theme. He didn't even wrote the score.
by Murchmo
While I miss Goldsmith. Any knock on Hans can be thrown at every other composer, don't kid yourself. They all regurgitate. Horner is the best at doing it. That said. This sounds expectable. JNH is clearly missed. I hoped for brief moments and allusions to the batman begins movie and score. Zimmer has some ho hum scores but, the thin red line, gladiator, Sherlock, pirates at worlds end are all pretty good. His score for Hannibal I think is amazing and possible his best. That said, gladiator was a lot of Klaus Badelt and Lisa Gerrard. And remember who wrote the score for the first Pirates film (produced by zimmer) Klaus Badelt. Don't give Zimmer the credit for the pirates theme.
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Nothing really stood out to me. Nothing original, sounds very much like the first 2 movies. Of course I'm biased, as a Star Wars fan, Williams had so many classsic themes just in that one trilogy, let alone all the other movies he composed. Very hard to compare anyone to him, but pick one of those tracks and it sounds like every other track in the series.
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I tend to agree, most scores are either more minimalist and abstract than the scores we used to get that had at least a couple identifiable themes or motifs. Some that come to mind from the last decade: The Lord of the Rings trilogy But even with that, you kind of have to have that be the case with the music. Over the course of three films you can't drastically change the music from film to film. In a trilogy, a musical theme is important I think. It acts as a sonic glue that helps bind all three films together into a more singular, cohesive story. Funnily enough, it is not a whole lot different than how TV has a specific theme music or something along those lines. Some of the most memorable pieces of thematic score work that still stay with me are from TV. At least in terms of comparing film to TV over the last decade. Band of Brothers and The Pacific had a great and memorable theme. Battlestar Galactica had tons of musical motifs that were usually assigned to specific characters. These were often repeated or redone a bit, but still easily recognizable. It really helped to give the whole series a nice cohesion. Same for BSG's short lived prequel series Caprica. Then there is the excellent Game of Thrones, which has an excellent and rousing main theme, as well as some great all around musical score throughout each episode. I think right now, GoT is my favorite film or TV score. So just as TV is often kicking mainstream cinema in the nuts in terms of superior storytelling, it is also catching up, and in some ways surpassing it in terms of musical scores as well.
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"That said. This sounds expectable. JNH is clearly missed. I hoped for brief moments and allusions to the batman begins movie and score." I was hearing nods and references to Batman Begins all over the place in those TDKR-excerpts just now.
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I was highly disappointed too at first. Then I gave it a bit of a listen on YT after I saw it the first time and identified the theme. Then the 2nd time I noticed it a bit more. Then I listened some more and started to dig it a bit. The 3rd time I started to really LIKE it and noticed it REALLY came to the fore the first time when Banner initiated one of the best movie moments off all time and the team finally 'assembled'. Here's an awesome medley of the best tracks some guy on YT put together in a really effect (non-sequential) way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg627A5RUKo&feature=related It's no Williams (or even Silvestri) of old, but it sure is more thematically sound than what Zimmer has done to Batman and soooo many others ...
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June 14, 2012, 5:32 p.m. CST
THIS is what Zimmer is making? And I can't even find INDIE film-score work....jesus fucking christ
by JonOfTheShred
This is almost entirely garbage. No hooks, no intensity...it all sounds extremely cliche sounding without conjuring any nostalgia or emotion. Hans Zimmer is capable of much better than this. The highest quality clips amongst this are average sounding at best. And to think, highly revered composers such as Hans Zimmer continually crap out heartless, indifferent, cookie cutter scores like the tripe presented here, and struggling composers like myself can't even find INDIE work that pays properly. It sucks there is such a monopoly on film-scoring jobs, very difficult business to break into.
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The music in those movies just makes my ears exhausted. Im surprised how many people love it. It is easy to use as filler though so i understand why they use it. All of Nolan's films have had the same repetitively exhausting scores. It's one of the reasons I have difficulty rewatching those movies. It's hard to live up to the standards of Elfman's work with the 1989 Batman and Batman Returns. I never get tired listening to those scores. They aren't filler, they become part of the performance.
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& ok I like alot of Zimmers stuff, but TDK beats Batman Begins on soundtrack goodness for sure and memorability but these clips its the same for Prometheus these 30sec snippets do the music no favours, theres no time to build any theme or momentum in the music it sounds often like the first 5 bars were getting or the quietest 30secs. hope its better though I do
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"Gotham's Reckoning" is a bit of a refreshing departure, at least it sounds different.
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That's why he's absent
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As others have mentioned, it shares similarities with Batman Begins which was a significantly better score than The Dark Knight. The former was less minimalist while more emotional. Zimmer also includes the elusive Batman theme heavily based on what we've heard so far. One more thing: Molossus (the track played during the Tumbler chase scene) HAS to be in this movie somewhere. It was omitted from The Dark Knight.
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June 14, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST
That totally looks like a fat line of coke. A fat beautiful line.
by Stuntcock Mike
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June 14, 2012, 8:56 p.m. CST
Fine. All his Batman scores are similiar, but he does have some good ones in him.
by HapaPapa72
Sherlock Holmes' was top notch. Sounded like a Sherlock Holmes movie and nothing else.
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Unless one is speaking metaphorically. He is driven out, then rises like a phoenix to help Gotham in it's darkest moment, leading it's people to rise against oppression. Awesome. IMAX ticket. Sold.
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Score samples and bad ass trailers, cannot wait for July 20. Nolan ownage is coming.
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I understand much of the Zimmer criticism but I don't believe he could come off of TDK and Inception and do something like this. Sounds like someone mixed various previous works to create fake tracks. There are entire clips pulled directly from songs of Begins and TDK. I'm not buying it. Of course, if I'm wrong, it's just that much sadder...
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I guess it's just me but a film like this deserves a full orchestra not computer composed Tron sounding soundtrack.
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The scores to both BB and TDK are fantastic. Iconic. I'm tired of you whiny trolling bitches.
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June 15, 2012, 12:56 a.m. CST
I love love love the batman scores. Sure there's a lot of reuse
by FrodoFraggins
but who cares. It's about consistency in theme.
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because you have a very bad attitude. That will come through in your music, friend.
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Give me a fucking break, people. Can you at least wait until the full album comes out before passing judgement?
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It's "ambient." I like Zimmer and Reznor among others.
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