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The Kidd Vs. ROCK OF AGES

I make zero excuses about the fact that I had a good time watching ROCK OF AGES. The big screen adaptation of the Broadway musical built around the music I grew up listening to and continue rocking out to every once in awhile is a lot of fun, with a lot of that credit going to my connection to the music and the fact that it still gets me every time I hear some of it. It’s incredibly difficult to find yourself not singing along to the movie when the tunes of Bon Jovi and Poison are working their way through your system (you’ll still find yourself doing it, just at a lesser volume than normal). However, that doesn’t disguise the fact that ROCK OF AGES isn’t a very good movie with a story that is virtually non-existent and minimal dialogue that really only serves to move from one song to another. Without the music, there’d be no reason to even bother with the film as there’s no there there beyond the production numbers. Making matters even worse, the screen version completely cuts the balls off what is a much darker rock and roll tale on stage. The seedier side of people of Los Angeles where not all dreams being chased come true is ignored in favor of happy endings for everyone from the bar owner to the rock star to the aspiring musician to… well, I did say everyone. ROCK OF AGES is absolutely a guilty pleasure film, and, if you were to watch it and tell me that it flat-out sucks, I’d have no gripe with what the movie did for you. But, when I can sit for two hours (and yes, the movie starts to feel its length about halfway through) and listen to the hits of REO Speedwagon, Extreme, Twisted Sister, Foreigner and Whitesnake, even in these GLEE-d up versions (I’ve a fan of that show, too), it’s hard to not find some enjoyment in that. Hell, I have a blast when I go out for karaoke… and this really isn’t any different, just with some bigger named, well-known participants unleashing on the mic.
The flick opens with Sherrie Christian (the bright-eyed Julianne Hough) – sounds ripe for some Steve Perry and Night Ranger musical accompaniment) – heading to L.A. on a bus to pursue her dreams of musical stardom only to be mugged of her records as she makes her way down the Sunset Strip. It’s a good thing she runs into rock star-to-be Drew (Diego Boneta) who just so happens to work at the famed rock club, The Bourbon Room, and can help get her a job, since, for some reason, she’s only brought along 17 bucks with her to try to make it. Then again, that’s probably more time taken to laying out the basics of these two characters’ stories than the movie does, because in the same amount of time, ROCK OF AGES has already blasted through a medley of “Paradise City,” “Sister Christian,” “Just Like Paradise” and “Nothin’ But A Good Time,” and that’s all in the opening few minutes.

Moving ahead, the Bourbon Room is counting on the final performance by the band Arsenal, fronted by Stacee Jaxx (Tom Cruise), to help them out of a sticky financial situation, as paying taxes seems to be so very un-rock and roll. There’s also a Rolling Stone journalist (Malin Akerman) looking to capture a big story on Jaxx splitting from the band and going solo, a Christian fundamentalist (Catherine Zeta-Jones) looking to help her mayor husband make good on his campaign promises to clean up the Strip starting with the Bourbon and a greasy manager (the bald yet ponytailed Paul Giamatti) looking to sign his next big act.
There are some nice pieces to ROCK OF AGES that doesn’t necessarily add up to a great sum. Boneta is the strongest male singing voice the movie has, but it’s too nice and smooth for numbers such as “I Wanna Rock.” It works with the softer tones of Foreigner and more Foreigner, but for something edgy once sung by Dee Snider, not quite. However, that’s the nature of a jukebox musical. Not all of the songs being used are tailor made for the voices singing them, especially when certain characters are spanning quite a few vocal ranges with their selections. But for every piece of ROCK OF AGES that does manage to work, there’s a glaring mistake that doesn’t. Hough manages to bring a certain type of innocence to Sherrie Christian and is quite capable of holding a tune, but when it comes time for the story to examine some of its darker ideas, Hough’s wholesome demeanor can’t help but shine through, which becomes problematic when she’s supposed to be playing someone down on their luck, who is now stripping at a gentlemen’s club, because they’re out of options (it’s also the most clothed strip club I’ve ever seen).
Alec Baldwin looks absolutely ridiculous as Bourbon owner Dennis Dupree, and his pairing with right-hand man Lonny (Russell Brand) makes for easily the most awkward and unnecessary musical number of the film. Bryan Cranston also makes an appearance as the cartoonish mayor with a propensity for being punished for being a bad boy, while Mary J. Blige shows up… well, really for no reason whatsoever. On the flip side, the villainous side of ROCK OF AGES is where the fun all seems to lie. You can’t help but embrace Giamatti’s loathsome Paul Gill, as he revels in his sleazy deal-making, and Catherine Zeta-Jones is delightfully over the top on her crusade against the sex, hateful music and sex of rock and roll, which she views as a disease.

But the film really belongs to Tom Cruise. First off, without his Stacee Jaxx, ROCK OF AGES would lose the very minimal story it does have, but more than that, his interaction with Akerman’s Constance Sack make for some interesting ideas about the state of music and the public’s projections of who a rock star/celebrity is and how they behave. There’s quite a bit of Axl Rose to be found in the reclusive, eccentric and unreliable Jaxx, and Cruise is able to bring it out without the character coming across as a caricature of all things negatively rock star we’ve perceived over the years… well, with the exception of having a monkey around, if for no other reason than audiences who might check out ROCK OF AGES most likely find monkeys cute. Sure, he may be delusional in his place in the world, but being worshipped and idolized has made him believe that wearing a devil-faced codpiece is normal behavior for someone considered a “rock god.” Cruise is able to hold his own when it comes to the musical portion of Stacee Jaxx, looking right at home on the stage, performing “Wanted Dead Or Alive” in front of thousands or “I Want To Know What Love Is” for a private audience of one.
When ROCK OF AGES focuses on Jaxx, there’s purpose to the film beyond wondering how they can get into the next song. The usual intensity Cruise brings to every role is certainly here, but this isn’t your typical Cruise part, and watching him play against type is where the challenge is. If it doesn’t click, it becomes the distraction of constantly noticing that’s Tom Cruise… but he makes the shift work for him that you can appreciate him trying something different, outside of his comfort zone, and making it the best part of the movie.
Before you write off ROCK OF AGES though, play back some of the music the movie features for yourself. If you find yourself getting nostalgic for some of those 80s classics, you might want to give it a shot, because that’s what the film is – a trip down memory lane with music you used to really like and can still take pleasure in hearing when it crosses your path. It’s not a quality musical, and it’s not even a good film, but it is a good time, and it’s hard to complain about that.
-Billy Donnelly
"The Infamous Billy The Kidd"
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Really.
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Didn't know what to expect, but I kinda dug this. Here is my take http://thecrat.com/movie-reviews/rock-of-ages-review-by-adam/
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June 14, 2012, 8:11 a.m. CST
Poison. Are many of the members dead? That would be a wonderful, wonderful thing. The fact that they will die someday gives me some peace.
by UltraTron
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Just wondering because people rarely share their opinions on that subject.
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June 14, 2012, 8:14 a.m. CST
I hope somebody does a a version of the golden era of hip hop one day.
by Cedric Ford
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Have some balls Hollywood and make it an Islamic fundamentalist for once. Pussies.
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June 14, 2012, 8:26 a.m. CST
But that assumes Hollywood is capable of original thinking
by RogueWarrior65
Which it's not.
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kinda makes me wonder what a film based on The Vampire Lestat might have looked like had they gone through with it with Cruise as Lestat.
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This is a film celebrating objectively awful music for dumb, poor people. This music is awful compared to almost every other form of musical expression (rap/hip hop and modern country are the only things that are worse). You would literally have to be stupid to enjoy it, and poor people are stupid. Through the combined faults of society and the poor people themselves, they lead meaningless lives sequestered in their own little ghettos where they don't get exposed to any music of worth. In these communities, it is entirely acceptable for someone to claim Aerosmith or Bon Jovi is good music. If you were to say that anywhere else, you'd be laughed out of the room. It's terrible music for men who wear baseball caps indoors (or *at all*) well past the age of 22 and women who buy their middle school-aged daughters thongs at Wal Mart. Bret Michaels is their Walt Whitman. This shit is irrefutable, irredeemable garbage and the people enjoying it are too stupid to even realize it.
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I think I'm gonna give Adam Sandler's raunch fest a whirl this weekend at the six dollar matinee. I got all my 'sing along with the movie' out of my system with Moulin Rouge. I might still see it, but only if the girlfriend insists.
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June 14, 2012, 8:41 a.m. CST
Glee, the Voice, American Idol, all the other singing shows and this are what's wrong with society right now
by zom-bot.com
...american idiots eat up rock nostalgia and pop music like mcdonald's fucking french fries....keeps them from having to think.
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Sadly, good taste lost this round. This and Glee and American Idol and all that other shit are for people who don't really give a shit about music. Zombot has it right.
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I sure the fuck am a winner, not listening to that bullshit and living the accompanying lifestyle. I'd like to find how how many of the people who'll go see this film actually vote. Nine? Ten? Let's say no more than twelve.
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June 14, 2012, 8:53 a.m. CST
The audience for Butt Rock is comprised entirely of kids too young to remember how reviled it was in the day
by GilbertRSmith
It's not music for cool people. It was the Nickelback of its day.
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supposed to be the Whiskey? Oh, now I get it.
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=If you find yourself getting nostalgic for some of those 80s classics, you might want to give it a shot, because that’s what the film is – a trip down memory lane with music you used to really like and can still take pleasure in hearing when it crosses your path.= Try this: If you find yourself getting nostalgic for some of those 80s classics, you might want to give it a shot. See? It communicates the same point without tripping over itself. The second two parts of the sentence add nothing new.
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Sorry. As a teenager during "those times" I liked the music of the day including the over-played redundant music that they focusing on. However, when I seen the ad with Alec Baldwin singing in the bar, I about threw up. Horrible. I don't think I can see the POS in the theater, let alone seeing it on home video. Major pass. It's not often to see a bad Tom Cruise movie... this is one of them.
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so no
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test
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A lot of haters hating without seeing the film. Typical.
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June 14, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST
paburrows_rises/mrlongbaugh - here are some more animation tidbits you should enjoy!!!
by Michael Lunney
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June 14, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST
It was this music (poison, whitesnake) that killed rock and ushered in Punk Rock. I wouldnt watch this flick if it was playing in my basement.
by rocketeuropa
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June 14, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST
@ playthegameharding: I've never seen a horse fuck a Ugandan, but I don't need to to know I wouldn't like it.
by _ISITIN3D_
jussayin
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Makes you nostalgic... check Either no story or one that you aren't worthy of the big idea hidden meaning... check Penis Snake... check
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June 14, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST
advertising the film as from the Director of Hairspray is fucking deceptive- JOHN WATERS DID NOT DIRECT THIS FILM- BUT THAT IS WHAT SOME PEOPLE WILL THINK!!!!!!
by Michael Lunney
advertising the film as *from the Director of Hairspray* is fucking deceptive- JOHN WATERS DID NOT DIRECT THIS FILM- BUT THAT IS WHAT SOME PEOPLE WILL THINK!!!!!!
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June 14, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST
Fashion aside, 80s rock was great. Glee sucks. They can nail ballads, but
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
that's it.
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Tell me more.
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So let's make a musical, but instead of writing new songs, let's just plug in old rock songs! And let's choose them from the absolute worst era of rock and roll ever! Wait-this idea doesn't suck enough yet-let's put Tom Cruise in it!
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I don't know why, but I never made that connection. Damn, makes me hate it all the more tht we never got to see Neil Jordan follow that flick up with Pitt and Cruise.
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June 14, 2012, 10:06 a.m. CST
It should be interesting if this finds an audience- will 80's rock fans show up for this?
by Michael Lunney
I'd rather see a musical about 80's New Wave music, but hey- to each their own. Heaven 17! Yeah!!! Viddy well, my droogies...
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June 14, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST
@_isitin3d_ Oy. That's not a convincing point as much as a disturbing illustration of how your brain works.
by Chaz
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Leæther Strip. Claus Larsen is a homosexual music god. As such, the gentleman can do no wrong.
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i knew it was written with that weird ae thing but i couldn't produce it on my keyboard. I wouldn't want to be stuck inside a darkroom with Claus Larsen, that's for sure. I loved his Psychopomps work also.
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June 14, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST
a_banned_apart and deazl666 beat me to it. What planet do you live on rocketeuropa?
by Kevin Spellman
Besides, punk just has so much more going for it than glam metal or whatever you want to call that 80s horseshit anyway. Give me The Ramones over Poison any day of the week.
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June 14, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST
Oh and to whoever said hip hop is worse than 80s glam metal - hurry up and die please.
by Kevin Spellman
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Im sure there are plenty of Ugandan refugees that would have been perfectly happy to see Idi Amin arse fucked by a large horse. especially iof it fingered him first
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Perhaps he means that modern day 'punk'? Skateboards, shorts and catchy, radio-friendly choruses? Funny, punk was something completely different in my day.
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June 14, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST
This is the first review that Kidd has disappointed me
by SergeantStedenko
Not saying that I agree with his reviews all the time. I don't. But telling people to go see a movie that you say is not a good movie is not cool. I don't even get a "so bad it's good" vibe from Kidd about this. Just, if you like the music in it think about checking it out? Why?! Why not just listen to the actual songs instead of these Glee-ified, Cruise-ified versions. Throw in useless P.O.S Russell Brand and I say no thanks.
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Or we were there when this music hit the scene. And no matter how bad it is (and I agree a lot of it is bad - but not all), it doesn't matter because there's nostaliga attached to it. Some of these songs I downright loathe, but as soon as I hear them I can't help but smile a bit because it reminds me of when I was younger. So you're telling me you have no guilty pleasure music or films - stuff if someone knew you liked, they'd think you were stupid or poor or retarded for liking it? If you reply "No", I don't believe you. At all. I'm not poor. Never was (I was very fortunate growing up actually), but I can still find enjoyment in this music. Quit blanketing everyone into the mold of what your opinion is. I don't fit anything in your description of the "poor dumb people" that like this genre, but I still like some of the tunes all the same. It's fun - like a lot of 80s music. But... ironically, I have no intereset whatsoever in seeing this movie.
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I dunno...from what I see, plenty of Gangsta rap is as pathetic, tiresome and cliched as much of the 80s and 90s hair metal was.
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I'm sorry that some guy wearing pink tiger striped spandex pants and a bandana fucked your girlfriend at a party, but saying ANYthing is 100% objectively shit is just stupid. You don't like it? Nothing wrong with that. But saying that someone is stupid because they like something?? You're either 14, or an asshole. Or a 14 year old asshole. I like a lot of that music. Guns 'N Roses, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, Poison, etc... There is some good stuff there. Oh, and mikethespike? I can GUARANTEE I am smarter than you. So there goes your theory. And next time you post, don't make an objective statement about the most subjective possible thing: art (music, movies, etc...)
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June 14, 2012, 10:26 a.m. CST
Also, really disappointed in Giamatti for being in this
by SergeantStedenko
I know, Giamatti Gotta Eat!
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June 14, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST
"i knew it was written with that weird ae thing but i couldn't produce it on my keyboard."
by buggerbugger
You're Space-Jesus, man, you should be using some kind of high-tech space flute instead of a keyboard. ;)
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June 14, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST
Sounds like Robert Stigwood's Sgt. Pepper for a new generation
by Crimson Dynamo
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Not true, bro. Sorry to say, but I was there. You remember MTV's Top 20, right (it predated TRL and then... well, does MTV even play videos anymore?)? The Top 20 videos on MTV were ALWAYS comprised of at least 10 glam rock vids/songs. Glam Rock was HUGE. It was not reviled at all. Maybe it was reviled in the same way I revile Rap, but that doesn't mean my opinion makes it true. It was Rap, Country, or Rock (which at that point was really only Classic or current rock - which was primarily glam rock). Glam Rock was getting stale on the charts by the early 90s and the studios were out for new blood: Enter Grunge. It essentially went: Oldies Rock, 60s Rock, 70s Rock (the beginnings of the Glam movement), Glam/Butt Rock, Grunge, EMO Rock, Electro-Rock. And now... I guess it's over-produced Crap Rock? Haha... Kidding. I've just lost touch with music now. Anyway, my point was, Glam was not reviled by the mainstream pop listeners. It was a huge moneymaker for the studios until the 1990s.
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June 14, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST
The who trashes every good movie gives this a positive glow???
by Tikidonkeypunch
He even tried to hate Avengers. WTF!?!
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are you a brit or from the USA? there is a documentary on soon about the roots of punk, both London and New York laying claim to being where it started. (it's all down to Iggy and the Stooges, IMO. No coincidence that Malcolm McClaren saw him touring with Raw Power just before the pistols were put together)
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June 14, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST
Well, I guess it could be argued that Nickelback made huge money too
by Kremzeek
Does that make them good? No. Do I LOATHE Nickelback? Sure do. But, generally speaking they aren't "reviled" or they wouldn't have found as huge an audience as they, unfortunately, did.
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It was grunge that killed hair metal
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...and I only thought Tom Cruise was gay!
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mikethespike and ultratron are trolls. Every time we respond to them directly we are giving them permission to spout out more inane and borderline retarded drivel. If we just ignore them then maybe, just maybe, they will disappear. Everyone just turn your backs and shun them. That being said, good review and I think I would like to see this. I grew up in that era and still like a lot of that music.
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June 14, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST
"Poison. Are many of the members dead? That would be a wonderful, wonderful thing. The fact that they will die someday gives me some peace."
by rogueleader66
Wow...this officially makes you and incredibly GIANT asshole. No matter what I, or anyone thinks of 80's music, what you said is just fucked up. Wishing death on people, being happy when people die. Really dickwad? How old are you, 12? Wait...that would be giving you too much credit. I know 12 year olds with more maturity than you. Your life must be incredibly empty and meaningless if you find..ummm...peace...in the death of someone you don't even know. Get a life. Grow up. Have some respect for life in general. Asshole.
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June 14, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST
Why didn't they just get Bon Jovi to play the lead?
by SergeantStedenko
He can act. As good as Cruise, imo.
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Agreed.
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June 14, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST
Poison: are any of the members dead from having been tortured slowly over a period of months? That would be awesome.
by UltraTron
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June 14, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST
So the Kidd's favorite movies are this and Machete
by Domi'sInnerChild
And hates to disappointedly gives a pass to everything else. So Tom Cruise and Danny Trejo staring as ass kicking buddy cops with a weird sexual tension between them in the musical Cop Rock: The Movie is the natural progression?
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WTF was that post about wanting members of Poison to die? To my knowledge none of them have raped, molested, or killed anyone... so why would I want them to die? Seriously fucked up shit to say that about anyone.
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June 14, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST
You're right icemonkey: Don't feed the trolls. I'm done now. hehe
by Kremzeek
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I wouldn't say he's as good as Cruise (as much as I dislike Cruise on a personal level, he's a mighty fine actor), but Bon Jovi isn't bad either. He really could've been great in a flick like this. Ah well.
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June 14, 2012, 10:54 a.m. CST
I only want them dead in the hypothetical sense. How bout some White Stripes- they got any of that?
by UltraTron
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It has nothing to do with who they are, their music or anything. These are guys with families, children, whatever. And some asshole who hates their music wants them to die? I can't stand most Rap music, but I dont wish death on the ones who do it. I just don't listen to the music. Live and let live. Some assholes just can't help being just that, an asshole. Let's see how anyone like that would feel if someone wished death on them for no good reason.
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Grow up dickhead, seriously.
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June 14, 2012, 10:57 a.m. CST
ultratron is just an iconic internet asshole who speaks inanely to get reactions - move along, move along- he loves to portray himself as an idiot- have fun, idiot...
by Michael Lunney
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They're all really awful drivers and the traffic they create is destroying the enviroment as I type this.
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Whatever, now your just trying to cover up the fact that your an asshole. Too late. Besides, what is death in a "hypothetical" sense? On second thought, don't bother answering, I don't care enough about your opinion to truly want to know.
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One of the many many reasons I don't frequent this site as much as I used to. Every time I come here, I question why I do. I guess part of me wants to think I will come here some day and it will be different. So far, not so good.
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June 14, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST
I would like all the people who get all indignant about somebody joking saying somebody should die to get life in jail
by Domi'sInnerChild
Wishing them to die would hurt really their feelings and probably ruin their whole day. I'm more a people person.
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June 14, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST
rogueleader66 - I hear ya--- the inbred internet youngsters, more and more of them, think it's cool, apparently, to just be offensive for fun --- what a world, what a world. but you can still find friends with similar interests, it's just getting harder.
by Michael Lunney
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I don't care if it's Michael Bay. I don't wish DEATH upon him because I HAAAAATE his movies. He still has people he cares about and who care for him. Fucked up shit.
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June 14, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST
now eve3ruone is talking about death? see how the trolls work??? --- anyway- this movie does not represent the best music of the 80s, but an interesting aberration of 80s sensibilities- I hope the people who like this music have fun, but its not for me
by Michael Lunney
I hope the people who like this music have fun, but its not for me
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I'm English, my good fellow. Punk was - for the most part - not a 'happy' style of music for my generation.
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I'm kinda in the same boat as far as not enjoying AIC as much anymore. I think the key is to not read the TBs. Just read the articles and avoid scrolling down to the cesspool. I try not to... but, as you can see, I've been failing as well. Hehe.
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Too much information, Space-Jesus. (A complaint that apparently can't be levelled at the 'Prometheus' script :))
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June 14, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST
paburrows_rises - sorry - it was not doing my posts correctly- I also sent you the links on the Wednesday TV talkback - here they are again - let me know what you think!!
by Michael Lunney
http://tinyurl.com/7ymbzul
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June 14, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST
pa nad here is the other- for some reason it wont let me post both links at once!!??
by Michael Lunney
http://tinyurl.com/d37hg7f
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June 14, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST
For the record, wishing somebody to die doesn't work
by Domi'sInnerChild
Wishes require a magic being or at least a high priced competent henchman to fulfill them. Therefore, there's no real teeth to these posts. I'm going to go kill Michael Bay right now because the poster made me LOL and then I'm going home to ;>V my wife.
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I personally think Christians are kinda dumb and kinda crazy but I don't HATE THEM. Hollywood does and I'm sick of it. Oh, and from the trailer this could be the worst movie of the years. Hands down. Nothing but tired cliches and old music that wasn't that good to begin with.
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June 14, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST
domi'sinnerchild - yeah- whatever- teehee and all that, he said with an even bigger yawn than usual...
by Michael Lunney
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June 14, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST
raptor_jesus- this movie hates Christians? how? cheese and crackers, got all muddy...
by Michael Lunney
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June 14, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST
raptor_jesus- Hollywood hates Christians sounds like a great title for a comedy/horror movie, BTW...
by Michael Lunney
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June 14, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST
Great Tower Records store recreation - Brings back memories...
by obijuanmartinez
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUFZklIOFvg
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June 14, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST
Maybe not reviled by the general public, but definitely reviled by those with taste
by GilbertRSmith
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June 14, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST
I thought I was old, but Kidd is much older. Thanks Kidd, for making me feel young again.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
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It's butt rock or hair metal. Glam is T Rex and David Bowie. I guess you could call it glam METAL, but it's definitely two different sounds.
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yes well said.
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Do American studios think that sticking painfully unfunny Brand in this will entice a British audience? For a while Eddie Izzard was playing tough guy in everything and that didn't seem to work.
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. . . don't lump GNR in with all these other bands. At one point, they took the torch and became the saviors of REAL ROCK, not pop-rock, and kicked all kinds of ass. Of course that only lead to one fantastic LP followed by a fantastic EP before Axl took it all off the rails . . .
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June 14, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST
I'm predicting Herc is going to post the George Bush head on a stick GoT story soon
by SergeantStedenko
Who wanst to bet?
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a la "Mama Mia" & "Grease"'s recent re-release. Cuz this movie sounds like a group sing along is about the best way to enjoy it.
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June 14, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST
"WHATCHU GOT IN THERE?" (POINTS TO DEVIL PLATED CODPIECE) (CRUISE SMILES, LAUGHING) "DOOM"
by Darth Busey
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FACT!
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June 14, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST
sergeantstedenko - You predict Herc will post the George Bush head on a stick GoT story soon? here is is ahead of him!
by Michael Lunney
http://io9.com/5918114/george-w-bushs-decapitated-head-appeared-on-game-of-thrones George W. Bush’s decapitated head appeared on Game of Thrones There's one hell of a dragon egg hidden in Game of Thrones season one. Turns out one of the many heads on a spike decorating King's Landing belonged to ex-president George Bush. If you keep your eyes peeled when King Joffrey takes Sansa Stark to gaze upon the spiked head of her dead father around 12 minutes in, you'll notice that one of the heads looks slightly familiar. Show creators David Benioff and D.B. Weiss explained in their DVD commentary (from Season 1, episode 10) that the decapitated head is actually George Bush. This was discovered by redditor SidIncognito. "The last head on the left is George Bush. George Bush's head appears in a couple of beheading scenes. It's not a choice, it's not a political statement. We just had to use whatever head we had around." Update: We received a statement from HBO: We were deeply dismayed to see this and find it unacceptable, disrespectful and in very bad taste. We made this clear to the executive producers of the series who apologized immediately for this inadvertent careless mistake. We are sorry this happened and will have it removed from any future DVD production. And the producers, David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, also issued a statement: What happened was this: we use a lot of prosthetic body parts on the show: heads, arms, etc. We can't afford to have these all made from scratch, especially in scenes where we need a lot of them, so we rent them in bulk. After the scene was already shot, someone pointed out that one of the heads looked like George W. Bush.
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June 14, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST
sergeantstedenko - I'll think I will wait for the John Waters version
by Michael Lunney
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That is the best reason to not see this movie.
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Which would make the movie's plot point a mocking of "Protect the children at all costs" liberals. Thin skin fundies don't even recognize when Hollywood is on their side.
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June 14, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST
daggor - Huh? Scientology is included in this movie about 80s rock? huh?
by Michael Lunney
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On stage, this is a fun time that doesn't take it self seriously at all. In fact, it's in on the joke and winking at the audience the entire time! I haven't seen the movie, but the previews seem to portray that the film loses this part of the musical. On stage, it's a fun time with a great live band and better vocals than their original versions.
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And this music WAS crap. The only people who listened to it were Baby Boomers refusing to grow up and 14 year old heshers that didn't know any better. Hair Metal was to actual rock what Olive Garden is to fine Italian Cuisine. So call me a troll now.
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June 14, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST
bag_of_hammers- bullshit- the music flourished because of MTV videos whicj were in ascendance, and they were watched by millions of people of all ages
by Michael Lunney
can't say millions loved the music, but it had a much wider audience than what you are suggesting -- how old were you in 1984?
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June 14, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST
The only good Hair Metal band was/is Steel Panther. If you know of them, you understand and agree.
by jawsfan
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singing anuses and dogshit eating and all. That's Americana!
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June 14, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST
mcgootoo, I'm surprised Herc isn't all over that story yet.
by SergeantStedenko
1. He loves Game of Thrones. 2. He never misses an opportunity for a politically charged talkback.
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I wasn't suggesting "nobody" listened to it, I said it was crap and only little kids and Baby Boomers listened to it. Yes, MTV promoted the hell out of it, and guess what, MTV sucked too. Popularity does not Equal Quality (hence my Olive Garden statement) BTW I was 16 in 1984
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I was gonna say Spinal Tap, but I see we we're both headed in the same direction.
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lemmy kills everyone at the end. that's how the movie ends in my head
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Cruise's Stacee Jaxx tries to resuscitate his fledgling career with a Reality dating show on VH1.
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Where evil, repressed fogeys try to shut down Tubby's Drive In, and Cruise will play the character of Jaxx's father, Newbomb Turk!
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June 14, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST
gideonthedane - Really? The people protesting this music and trying to get it banned in the 80's were Christians
by hst666
Not Muslims. Wake up and stop believing the Fox propaganda. THIS MUSIC IS GREAT.
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June 14, 2012, 3:06 p.m. CST
Hip-Hop is the soundtrack for a generation of fast-food workers, DJ's aren't real musicians....
by maverick68
and Skrillex is something you use to clean the shit stains off a toilet.
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It's not NWOBHM, thrash, speed, or power metal, but it was fun. I was born in 1970 and I loved most of the music on here as well as a lot of underground metal.
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For those too young to remember.
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June 14, 2012, 3:10 p.m. CST
Hst666: Actually it was Democrat Senator Al Gore and his crazy ass wife....
by maverick68
who were trying to cash in on the "metal is satanic" paranoia that gripped the country. BTW, it was the same Gore family that supported that nutcase Fred Phelps in his failed political career. muslims were too busy stoning gay people, raping insolent women and beheading non-believers to worry about Ozzy.....hmmmm, not much has changed.
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June 14, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST
Cruise is 50, meaning his character would've been a rock star in the pre-Beatles late 1950's & early 60's.
by jrb
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June 14, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST
I hate musicals that force songs into a narrative for which they weren't written
by jrb
That shitty Julie Taymor Beatles movie is the worst offender. Hey Jude wasn't written about a character named Jude. It was written for John Lennon's son Julian.
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June 14, 2012, 3:29 p.m. CST
bag_of_hammers - I agree- the music was crap, but MTV was known for cutting edge, influential videos back then-
by Michael Lunney
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June 14, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST
sergeantstedenko -- papa ew mowmow, papa ew mowmowmow!
by Michael Lunney
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...and listening to what exactly? Just curious.
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It was Tipper Gore who was leading the charge, but backing her up were the moral majority types.
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The only people who hate hair metal were uptight classic rock fans and people who hated that the punk or underground band they loved wasn't bigger. I heard it all back then. I was a huge DK fan as well in the 80s and Jello ragged on cock rock metal all the time. And I listened to a lot of college, classic and punk rock bands as well. However, Too Fast For Love, Out of the Cellar, Tooth and Nail, Stay Hungry, The Last Command, Slave to the Grind, and the much slandered Look What the Cat Dragged In were all great fun rock albums. You cannot enjoy Steel Panther without appreciating actual hair metal.
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I originally responded to some clown who commented that if Hollywood had balls the antagonists would be Muslim rather than Christian. My point was that would be historically inaccurate. I went to Black Sabbath, Alice Cooper, Iron Maiden, Guns n'Roses, Metallica, and motherfucking Kiss shows in the 1980's and the people who accosted me outside those shows were not Muslim, they were protesting Christians.
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I found his post. Dude was probably born circa 1992.<p> Having been to many of the same shows in that time period and seeing the same protestors...I never generalized all Christians with those wackos carrying signs and screeching at us. I knew lots of people with Christian beliefs who were all about the 'rock' and throwing a few back in the parking lot before the show.
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Man does that bring back memories. From about 13-18 I just about lived in the Tower Records near my home in OC, I was there so much. After that, i often frequented the Sunset Strip store when i was in college in LA, though by then I mostly bought used CDs cos they were so much cheaper... It was a sad day to see them go the way of the dodo, but it had to happen with the sheer greed of the record labels setting prices so high, etc...
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...just buy a CD and skip this shit altogether. What a waste of time by anyone connected with this or those who've had the misfortune of seeing it.
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Jesus. That was horrific.
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Will that change your opinion of him as a person or an actor? If it does, then you should be ashamed of yourselves. Now scientology on the other hand...you gotta be a wack job to believe in such things.
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June 14, 2012, 7:41 p.m. CST
If these bands didn't have these royalty based movies..tThe hollywood "political" machine that made them "stars" would kill them in order to collect on their bills...
by seansarto
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I used to visit the one on Sunset Blvd. Frequently. Had a buddy who worked there for years. He said Tower ultimately failed because the owner passed away leaving his idiot sons in charge. Along with the emergence of the internet, they completely botched everything he built through lousy business sense, marketing and managing of finances. Something like that.
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June 14, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST
My wife (then girlfriend) had a gay room mate who told us he used to see Tom at all the underground gay hot spots.
by DoctorWho?
Not that there's anything wrong with that.<p> Couldn't get away with that today with cell phone cameras and Internet.
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Nice try. You'll notice a solid majority of people posting here loathe this music as much as I do, and the few who enjoy it seem to do so for nostalgic reasons. This stuff is brain-meltingly bad. Objectively. People who genuinely enjoy it without the associated pleasant memories (alright, I'll give you guys that one) are dumb. They're dumb people that congratulate their daughters when they get knocked up at 17. As for guilty pleasures, I enjoy Britney Spears' "Toxic" and will watch and enjoy any James Bond film, no matter how awful.
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I was born in '81; I remember a lot of these songs and bands from my childhood even if I didn't really appreciate any of it. I'm not a big music buff to begin with though, really. If I remember correctly, the Rock of Ages show didn't have any Christians protesting the rock concert, it was developers trying to buy the area and not wanting the bar to be successful (I've only read about it; never seen it). By adding (hypocritical, of course) Christians to the plot Hollywood is just once again beating on their strawmen thinking that they're clever and rebellious when Christian bashing is basically passé. I suggested Muslims sarcastically; Hollywood doesn't have the balls to attack anyone who will fight back.
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I am not a Christian myself. It's just so fucking old to see leftist Hollywood "elites" handpicking one religion to shit on while ignoring others that are much crueler.
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June 14, 2012, 11:36 p.m. CST
Tom Cruise, Adam Sandler or sticking needles in my eyes?
by Homer Sexual
Funny cuz I was thinking how much I hate Adam Sandler, who I once liked, and I said to myself "is there another celebrity who provokes such a visceral negative reaction" and I thought of Tom Cruise. I would never, ever again see any movie with Tom Cruise in it. Unfortunate, since I actual love 80s hair band music. But Fuck Tom Cruise. Hate him soooo much.
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As a homo myself, he is the last person I want representing my community.
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If it is the case that the movie added some religious protesters where the musical had none, then I can see being upset. I was unaware that was a change.
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I'm a corporate lawyer with an undergraduate degree in physics. You can compare this music to pop music from any era. I also happen to like bubblegum rock. What music do you like?
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Make it so. :-P
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June 15, 2012, 6:31 a.m. CST
I'm probably showing my age here, but screw it, here it comes...
by iamatroll
NOTE: This was posted by yours truly on another review of "Rock of Ages" elsewhere here on AICN, but i wanted to post it here too, to get this point of view out there for all to see. If you've read this already, skip it, but if not, read on... I'm a professional club jock working at a "Gentlemen's Club" in the greater Cleveland, Ohio area. [Go Browns!] And every day, I play all of this type of music referenced and heard in "Rock of Ages". And you know what? All of us at the club LOVE IT! Why? Because this is OUR MUSIC! We grew up on this music. Had our dreams to it. Fell in love to it. Learned about sex, drugs and rock and roll to it. Everybody at our club lives and breathes 80's rock and roll. We are the generation of Reaganomics, "Greed is good," Classic Coke, Rubiks Cube, Atari and Nintendo, and big hair and bombastic guitar solos. All of us, from the dancers to the patrons to yours truly, groove on a daily basis to Motley Crue's "Girls Girls Girls", Poison's "I Want Action" and yep, even KISS' "Lick It Up"! BTW, Gene Simmons is a god, bow down to him, infidels... The point is, just as thrash metal and the Internet is near and dear to some of you younger folks, the 80's in general and 80's rock and roll in particular is every bit as precious and heartfelt to us. Sure, it's easy in this day and age to point and laugh and say "damn, that 80's music sure was lame wasn't it?" But you know what? In twenty years, when "Generation Meh" hits THIER forties, their kids, or at least the kids of that time yet to come, will be goofing on what some of you think is the cat's ass right now at this time in your lives. And you're probably going to feel nostalgic and protective of this time that means so much to you, just as we of the 80's feel so deeply for that which was such an important part of our lives not too long ago... I've yet to see "Rock of Ages" but you know what? I think I'm gonna make it a point to check it out this weekend, just to revisit that time and music that was such an integral part of MY generation's lives. Rag on it all you want, but just remember, what goes around comes around, all that was old will be new again, and in the immortal words of Twisted Sister: "YOU CAN'T STOP ROCK AND ROLL!!!" See ya!
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June 15, 2012, 7:53 a.m. CST
A lot of talented musicians and songwriters came out of the 80's hair metal scene.
by Pat
Unfortuately it was the scene and everything that went with it that was the blessing and the curse. 'Decline of the Western Civilization Part II' illustrated this well. Partying, drinnking, drugs, record companies, and pandering laid waste to much of the cultivation of true talent that was going on there. We did get a few great songs and good bands out it though, as represented in this show/movie. And I have to say, give Motely Crue as much shit as you want, they kicked ass on every level for years and wrote hit after hit. Those guys survived to torture us today, haha, but many didn't.
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Motely Crue is an emo band out of Fresno and they're totally ironic and stuff. Not really but they could be.
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You nailed it on the head!!! The movie isnt an award winning film but its just fun to go watch and sing along to...but one must do it in 80's gear...just saying, lol :)
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So i'm dumb? I don't enjoy 80's music for nostalgic reasons ro because they are associated with good memories. I enjoy it because I genuinely liked it. Period. Still do. I also listen to Stones, Zeppelin, Doors, Boston, Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Testament, Morbid ANgel. Rev Theroy, Tool, Van Halen, Godsmack, Disturbed, and many others. I am a father of three children and currently work as a Network Administrator. Dumb? Fuck you. Just because you don't like the music doesn't mean anyone who does has to have some special reason for it, and doesn't mean they are dumb. It just means they have different taste than you do. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just an ignorant fuck like you. Grow up jackass.
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Agreed, but unfortunately image was more important to the record companies than the music was, it was secondary. It was important to some of the bands as well, but they always tried to make good music and for the most part, succeeded.
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I'm 41. The music (sorry-the ROCK) of the 90s is my college-age music.. In the 80s when pop-crap like Twisted Sister and Duran Duran and hair bands were rampant, I had no interest in popular music and I started discovering music of the 70s. To me, there's a giant musical wasteland between Led Zeppelin and Pearl Jam filled with lipstick-wearing Englishmen. Much like the music of today, in the 80s music had far more to do with your clothes and your hairstyle than what was actually in the music. Good music will come back around again, hopefully soon.
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Ok..this is 100% subjective so I'm not going to say you're an asshat if you like Bon Jovi or Poison. Although, considering how much I and (most likely) every actual person who loved anything remotely related to "metal" (terrible name for the genre) or "rock & roll" will tell you, it's regurgitated pappy shit where the focus is on partying and getting laid instead of the music. BUT!!! there's actually nothing wrong with that! Not even a little bit. For bands like Poison, Warrant, Bon Jovi, etc, the music was incidental to the point: getting famous, partying, and getting girls. For real bands...the music always came first and girls, fame, partying, and fortune were the gravy. I would love to vent and claim you have no taste in music if you like even one Bon Jovi song. It's beyond me how any of it can be considered good. I hate it as strongly as I hated it years ago when Bon Jovi and the rest of his hair-extension poser brigade (Poison, Warrant, Slaughter, Firehouse, etc) ruined real rock and turned it into what became "Hair rock" or "Hair metal" (I don't call it Glam as bands like the 'NY Dolls' were doing rock/punk music while wearing women's clothes and eyeliner years and years before Bon Jovi even got his extensions frosted). These assholes killed "Headbanger's Ball" so distinctly on MTV that I took personal offense (we went from S.O.D. to Rikki Rachtman - wtf?!?!!?!) Bon Jovi especially deserves his own circle of Dante's Rock Hell (with Sambora in there too). Now Aerosmith? Yes...years and years of crap but if you go back far enough, you'll find genuinely great rock music (Toys in the Attic) and how can anyone hate "Sweet Emotion" or "Dream On"? Those are great 70s rock songs. Once they quit partying and went the Sammy Hagar route (every song about fucking/female-body-parts/sex-innuendos), they lost their mojo with only "good" sparks momentarily appearing from time to time (Janey's got a gun). At the risk of being a hater - I don't think you could pay me to see this...I do like some of the music (first 3 Def Leppard albums are amazing - especially the first 2 but I'm guessing they go with the bullshit cry rock post-Pyromania songs that suck, Scorpions are generically good and sometimes great, etc)..but I tend to hate musicals and vociferously hate a large portion of that bastardized hairspray rock garbage. Sorry to rant...but I had to for the sake of heavy music that actually means something.
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Those who love 80's rock really love it, and those who hate it, really hate it. I've gotten into so many talks/discussions/arguments with people over the good/bad of the music. I have talked to friends who are musicians who have told me there was a lot of talent in a lot of those bands and that it was overshadowed, of course, by image. Others have said the opposite, some have been in the middle. I could (and have) say a lot of what is being said here about 80's rock, about 90's grunge. Which for the most part, I don't like at all. You wanna sit there and tell me that the music came second to image in the 80's? I could say the exact same thing about grunge bands, and you know I would be right. But only an ignorant person would not see that. Thee is good and bad in every generation of music. We like what we like, but to slam others or even be puzzled as to why people like a certain kind of music is disrespectful and uncalled for. People see different things in music. What sounds good and well done to me, may not to you. Who gives a shit? Like what you like, without giving a damn who thinks ill of it. It doesn't bother me when people say 80's music sucked, because for them it probably did. Just like plenty of people loved grunge, while I did not. Grunge is to me what 80;s rock is to others....shit. But different taste and opinions are what makes the world go round. Just have some respect people, that's not a lot to ask. Rant over.
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June 15, 2012, 12:41 p.m. CST
Although I realize respect is a taboo word on these TB's for a lot of (not all of course) people.
by rogueleader66
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June 15, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST
Never cared much for Hair Metal Bands as I find it hard to stomach their Music and cheesy styles, but this Movie might be fun.
by Stalkeye
especially if it's not afraid to poke fun of the Rock scene back in the 80's. And yes, Tommy Guns is getting plenty of accolades for his peformance. Might have to take Wifey to check this out.
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June 15, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST
during the 80's to me it was all about Misfits, Clash, Samhain, Public Enemy,Beastie Boys and Run DMC.
by Stalkeye
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June 15, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST
Nice post rouge, but unfortunately most of your (well said) points will fall on deaf ears and Blind Eyes.
by Stalkeye
Remember, this IS AICN. (0:'
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Thanks man, and I know, the ignorance on here is the one constant....that and a lack of respect. I probably more wrote it for myself, knowing I have valid points, and that those who come and insult me or whatever in response are just too stupid to understand and see another point of view. But at least you were cool enough to read it, respect.
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June 15, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST
Oh, and regardless what anyone thinks of Bon Jovi, the Man has probably donated to more charities than most Hair Metal Bands put together.
by Stalkeye
Fucking tools like Motley Crue, RATT and the like more than likely blew their cash on Booze and Drugs. LOL I'm no fan of Jon's Music by any means, but the Boy deserves props for being a humanitarian/philanthrophist. While the other tool obsulete bands are still Living on a prayer. Oops!
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June 15, 2012, 1 p.m. CST
Duran Duran is pop crap? damn, I guess you haven't listened to Ordinary World or View to a Kill.
by Stalkeye
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Has helped homeless and hungry in his home state and elsewhere, does so much for so many people. You may not like his music, but you gotta respect the man. To do otherwise is foolish.
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I've seen them 3 times in concert and they were fantastic performers. Some of their music has a pop sound, but it's hardly "pop crap". Some of the stuff on the Rio album is about as far from pop as you can get. But people only go by the "hits"...which aren't even all pop....typical.
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June 15, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST
Heck they even do a kick ass version of Grandmaster Falsh's song White Lines.
by rogueleader66
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June 15, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST
Ill bet no one knows a "crap hair metal" band wrote one of the first rock songs about AIDS.
by rogueleader66
Dokken - Kiss Of Death. Anyone who can tell me George Lynch is not an AMAZING guitarist, has a serious hearing problem.
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June 15, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST
Rogue, I agree that grunge was about image too, but 80s hair metal took it to a ridiculous level
by SergeantStedenko
the Grunge look was a response to the 80s Glam and was almost anti-fashion in that regard. But, yes, anti-image did become it's own style. There was a lot of great music in the 80s for sure. To say that all 80s music is shit is ignorant beyond belief. Some of the greatest rock bands of all time had long hair. But, in the 80s to distinguish themselves from their hippie elders, the hair metalheads began putting product, particularly hairspray, lots of hairspray in their hair. They also began to dress like their female groupies. The lines between genders began to become blurred in the late 70s with androgynous frontrunners like Bowie and Marc Bolan of T. Rex. The emergence of homosexual culture in the late 70s early 80s certainly had a large influence on 80s culture as a whole, the music scene in particular. Makeup, big hair and spandex became acceptable attire worn by metalheads of both sexes. By the end of the 80s the youth of that time began to reject what they saw a the clownish grotesque excesses of that eras rockstars. Truth be told, could the glam metal fad really have continued much longer? How acceptable would it be these for middle-aged men to put on spandex, makeup and female hairstyles if they toured today?
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I wouldn't say that the 80s hair metal was all about image over music, there certainly was great music to be had, but I will say that the image did overshadow the music. Unfortunately, for us who loved the music of the 80s I do not believe that this film is going to be a great representation of the best of that era.
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June 15, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST
stalkeye,"During the 80's to me it was all about Misfits, Clash, Samhain, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys and Run DMC."
by SergeantStedenko
stalkeye, did we grow up in the same suburb? I just went to see Danzig's legacy tour last week.
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Absolutely correct, which is why, if you notice, after a while (towards the end of the decade) all the bands stopped with the big hair, makeup, hairspray and ridiculous costumes. Oh ok, not all of them, but the top acts of the time slowly started getting away from that over the top shit. Some were never into the glam scene..Tesla, a FANTASTIC band, never wore makeup or had big hair. Jeans and tshirts was their style. But they got labeled as a hair band because they came up during that time. But sadly I must agree. The genre was saturated and people were tiring of it. So its decline was inevitable. Same thing happened to grunge, you had the big acts, then you had the record companies signing every douche bag with a flannel shirt on, and the genre was saturated and watered down. Also, like with the 80's, there were some obscure bands that made damn good music but never made it big, but there was also a lot of garbage. I think it's funny how people can sit back and say how much better grunge was, yet the genre rose and fell in almost the exact same way that 80's metal did, and in almost the same amount of time.
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Again, agreed, it seems as if ROCK OF AGES will do more to mock the genre than honor it. Although at my 2nd job, I have come across kids....KIDS...15, 16 years old who hear me playing 80's stuff and say how much they love it and that it's so much better than "the crap that's out today". Made me smile hearing that. Nice to see a younger generation embracing the music. And yes, as I said earlier, image unfortunately overshadowed the music most of the time. Sad.
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June 15, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST
Just because I listen and love 80's music, also doesn't mean I am not open to new stuff....
by rogueleader66
Hell, my favorite band at the moment is Rev Theory...they rock.
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June 15, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST
Also, as stated in a previous post, I like so many different kinds of music. So to say I am an idiot for liking 80's music is just stupid.
by rogueleader66
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I bought PacMan Fever, so you don't have to explain yourself to me.
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Pac Man Fever by Buckner and Garcia....also the performers of Do The Donkey Kong. Video game pop music....only in the 80's.
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Actually, I was born and raised in NYC which was known as the Epicenter of Music culture from Punk to Rap. Unfortunately, I never had a chance to see the 'fits perform on stage with the noted exception of Jerry Only who performed a few Misfits covers at CBGBs. (Joey Ramone Tribute.) I did however, had the honor of running into Glenn at of all things, a Comic Convention. he was hocking Devilman comics from his Verotik company. The impression I got was that he was somewhat down to Earth despite all this talk about him being some Devil worshipper. (He's actually a Geek like most of us.) We joked about his appearance on Headbanger's Ball and how he was fucking with MTV's Ricky (Ractman). How was the tour BTW? I'mnot really into the band Danzig,(Mother, Sistanis and Black Wings stand out as my favs.) but Samhain to me, had cooler songs.
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June 15, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST
rogue, I wasn't feelin Grunge, but dammit if Alice and Chains wasn't a great band.
by Stalkeye
Even a ballard like "Down in a Hole" was catchy. too bad that Lynn O'd as he was one of the better Frontman of that genre. Pearl Jam had the best Grunge related Music Video thanks to "Jeremy" fucking creepy as no one saw that finale coming. Smells like Teen spirit is another one and it was THE Gamechanger that put not only Nirvana, but that grunge scene on the map. Again, another tragic case of a lead singer killing himself. If it aint drugs, it suicide. Shit comes off like some Greek Tragedy if not cliched.
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It was pretty excellent. Because, it was his legacy tour he played equal parts Danzig, Samhain and Misfits. When they would switch into a set of a particular band they would change the large band banner in the back. During the Misfits set, Doyle played with the band, still rocking the Devilock. Glenn complained about it being hot and kept taunting the audience that it was a 2 hour show and could they hang. I couldn't stopt thinking of the Aqua Teen Hunger Force episode where Danzig moves next door.
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June 15, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST
@johnboy40, ricardo_montalbanned, maverick68 - You've clearly never listened to any good hip-hop or even listened with an open mind at all. There is so much artistry in hip/hop than in pretty much anything to come out of the 80s that it's not even funny.
by Kevin Spellman
There's no other genre that is as lyrically intricate and impressive as hiphop. No where else do you hear guys maintaining the same rhyming vowel sounds and scheme over the course of 12 or more bars, layering internal rhyme on top of internal rhyme, all while keeping it linear and clever and telling a story that, if you're listening with an open mind, a story that is easy enough to follow. Here's a few bars from the song "Oldie" by Earl Sweatshirt written when he was just 17 years old - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzi24Nssiow his verse starts around 7:05 Look, for contrast here's a pair of lips Swallowin' syrup and settin' fire to sheriff's whips, whoops fuckin' All-American terrorist Crushin' rappers larynx to feed 'em a fuckin' carrot stick And me? I just spent a year Ferrisin' And lost a little sanity to show you what hysterics is Spit til' the lips meet the bottom of a barrel, so that sterile piss flow remind these niggas where embarrassed is Narrow, tight line, might impair him since I made it back to Fahrenheit, grimey get dinero type Feral, fuckin' ill apparel, wearin' pack of parasites Threw his own youth off the roof after paradise The best rap is chock full of clever allusions, metaphors, witticisms, and word play over a jazz/r&b influenced beat. Compare that to terrible 80s metal bands sludging through the same four chord progression, varying only the key from song to song, with generic, straightforward lyrics about fucking with nary a metaphor in sight. There is so much artistry in hip/hop than in pretty much anything to come out of the 80s that it's not even funny. And that's not to mention the technical abilities of more accomplished rappers like Jay-Z and Eminem to cram as many syllables as possible into a single bar. Eminem's uncanny ability to switch effortlessly between single, duple, and triple meter delivery over the course of a single measure is astounding. For evidence of last, listen to his verse on "Forever". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOA-6P1IMY0 his verse starts around 4:40. So yeah - rap is not just morons like Lil Wayne (although I will admit even he has his moments) rapping clumsily about pussy, money, and weed. There's a HUGE hip-hop world full of really talented people. You want to hear some hip-hop chock full of obscure academic references check out Das Racist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LliTqJNKJrM And to whoever said Gangsta Rap - please. That shit hasn't been popular since '04.
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June 15, 2012, 8:40 p.m. CST
*so much more artistry. Christ, i wrote that shit in a hurry - it's almost as bad as something Harry writes!......just kidding.
by Kevin Spellman
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