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J.J. Abrams' STAR TREK Sequel Gets The IMAX Treatment And A Release Date!!
The Kidd here...
Paramount is prepared to boldly go where no other STAR TREK movie has gone before next summer, now that they've announced the sequel to J.J. Abrams' franchise reboot is taking flight on May 17, 2013, but also doing so in IMAX 3D.
A few sequences of the film have been shot with IMAX cameras, so seeing the film in the dreaded LIE-MAX won't do it complete justice. You'll have to find a real IMAX theatre to see the Enterprise and whatever else Abrams has in store for you in all its glory. However, after a really fantastic initial offering that had me, a non-TREK fan wanting more, the fact that he's looking to up the ante for the follow-up is pretty exciting.
Don't expect to see anything from STAR TREK 2 (or whatever they're going to call it at San Diego Comic-Con) though. Paramount isn't coming to Hall H to show anything.
-Billy Donnelly
"The Infamous Billy The Kidd"
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Come on, who's with me!
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get all your info online. You'd have to be a maniac to deal with that crowd. Thank God for refer and alcohol.
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June 13, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST
IMAX already mentioned here: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/56276
by ATARI
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A sister film to Forbidden Film http://www.youtube.com/user/OTSOG2012
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June 13, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST
Star Trek spent a lot of time taking roll call on the characters, at the expense of the story. Hopefully, this one will dive right in.
by P
Well, hopefully not literally diving this time. That was kind of dumb.
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June 13, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST
will the crew's interaction be as akward hipster Berkley-student-esque as they were in Prometheus?
by Squinty CGI Flynn
Damon Lindelof should live in Detroit for a year to get some real-world man experience to conjure from, would make his screenplays not as douchey IMO
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Kerplohmise?
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June 13, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST
I thought the first film tried to build a strong structure of possibilities on a weak, sandy foundation of plot conveniences.
by 3774
But I still had hope that the sequel might rectify it, and be a strong improvement. Then I read things Orci ha to say, and that hope was ruined. When someone flatly refuses to acknowledge things they did glaringly wrong, like contrived conveniences and plot-holes, there's little hope the same mistakes won't be made again.
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Warming up to you more everyday.
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..It wasn't until everybody banged on about it in here that i realised it was the film and not me having a stroke. Now i cannot watch it without wincing at the flares every 2 seconds..that and Pegg shooting around inside a level from Tomb Raider 2. BAH.
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And fuck IMAX for pulling that bullshit. They should call it IMAX Lite because all they are doing is tricking people that don't know better and diluting their brand.
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June 13, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST
I'm starting to think the whole JJ Abrams axis of writers are intent on destroying every sacred nerd property.
by blackmantis
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...the IMAX 3D logo clip that they run before the movie. Then the 3D in the movie always sucks by comparison and barely seems 3D at all.
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I'm not a trekkie(star wars man, myself) but I've enjoyed almost most the movies. I thought the last ST was awesome and cleaver. Obviously they rebooted for the non-trek person and that they can whatever they wanted with the characters. Never was a fan of J.J. Abrams TV work, but goddamn he's turning out to be an awesome feature director. I'll be there opening day...shit I might actually paid for IMAX...maybe.
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Pass.
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I've been to a real imax theatre where the screen is huge, but is literally a square screen. when they play films on it, they only take up a portion of the screen. When they show a regular movie shot on IMAX, it takes up slightly more of the screen but still not the whole screen vertically. Now I go to see movies at my local AMC century city IMAX. This is not the usual huge IMAX screen but it is big. In-fact it's about the size when the movie is projected onto the massive imax screen. So is this AMC IMAX the fake one..?
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June 13, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST
SO GLAD ABRAMS/LINDELOF DIDN'T GET THEIR HANDS ON THE DARK TOWER
by Rob
CRISIS AVERTED!
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June 13, 2012, 4:07 p.m. CST
darth_kaos: We have a different definition of clever I think.
by Dr_PepperSpray
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Damn you Michael Bay
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June 13, 2012, 4:09 p.m. CST
darth_kaos: Unless you mean Nu-trek was a large knife?
by Dr_PepperSpray
How cleaver.
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June 13, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST
err... I'm almost positive the release date of this has been known for quite awhile (just checked a msg board and a thread on the movie has 5.17.13 listed)
by TheSeeker7
though I guess the IMAX stuff is new.
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I actually didn't think the 3d in Prometheus was all that bad. At least because it was shot in 3d you got some rounding instead of the paper cut out look that most conversions have. Still, film makers aren't used to shooting in 3d and they still do things that don't work in the format. I'm thinking of some of the really shallow focus, extreme foreground stuff they did in Prometheus that practically made me go cross-eyed. <P> Also titles in the beginning credits need to be put in depth, and not just laid over the foreground. In Prometheus I kept having to look down at the credits where the shot was focused on a landscape from a considerable height. Kind of like looking down at your dashboard while driving.
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Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Moriarty
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June 13, 2012, 4:20 p.m. CST
Part I: Paramount is the ultimate example of why major studios - like the two biggest political parties - don't get it. FACT
by UndisputedVipers
Lionsgate and Summit are tapping into the cultural pulse better than several of the major studios. The Hunger Games cost $68m, and has made over $650m worldwide. Twilight: Breaking Dawn Part 1 cost $110m, and has made $705m worldwide. My favorite movie of 2011, Source Code, cost Summit $32m. Look at the TV ads for The Expendables 2. The cash is ON THE SCREEN. It looks like it cost $100m. Sly put out hit after hit without studio attention. This looks like it could be his biggest yet. When you see budgets for movies from major studios, like the ones for MIB3 ($215m) or Battleship ($209m), do you see the money on the screen? I'm asking partly because, since I had no interest in either movie, I ain't seen 'em. Sony and Universal aren't SELLING people on these movies, because there aren't actual storylines. I can't tell from the trailers why I should see MIB3. I guess I'm supposed to want to see it because Josh Brolin does a bang-up Tommy Lee Jones impression. Battleship is about aliens attacking us at sea. OK. None of the characters seem like ones I would root for. There must be something else that happens in the movie and, yet, we're not given any other story details in the trailers. Paramount has three projects coming out next summer, and only one of them has positive buzz around it.
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Fake IMAX is pretty much what most theatres have nowadays. Its just a much bigger than average screen. That's about it. Its a joke and there was a good amount of controversy over it a few years back. Real IMAX is more than that...the screen is gargantuan and your seat tilts back because some of it is on the goddamn ceiling because its so big. And rounded. Its way more immersive. What most places have now is just using the IMAX name and not giving you "real" IMAX. Marketing ploy to make more money.
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http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/05/thats_not_the_imax_i_grew_up_w.html
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June 13, 2012, 4:29 p.m. CST
May 17th? Should have done it May 4th because screw those guys.
by Squashua
be with you
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June 13, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST
Part II: A gritty, violent Riker Defiant or Titan movie has profit written all over it
by UndisputedVipers
If Stallone can still mow down fellow mercenaries at age 64, Jonathan Frakes can still set a phaser to kill at age 59. There's a three-year gap between Trek movies. This is Paramount's signature property since Marvel was bought by Disney. Look at what Marvel's doing. They aren't afraid of over-saturating the market, because they are bent on making quality movies. Did Captain America: The First Avenger have trouble making money, even after many audiences had already paid for Thor and X-Men: First Class? No. It's a fun, nostalgic movie. Instead of waiting for schedules to coalesce and waiting for Cuse and Lindelof to come out of their hotel room with a screenplay, Paramount should have greenlit a violent Riker movie for $80m. They still can. These things are about timing as well. Not only was Nemesis by far the worst Star Trek movie, it was released at a time when four TV shows and three other next gen movies had been released in the preceding 8 years. The TNG crew have their fans, and I think a great script and high amounts of horror and combat would make this an event picture, being released 11 years after the last movie.
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June 13, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST
For such a franchise they should have a promotion contest for fans to choose the sequel title.
by Cedric Ford
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OMNIMAX. All IMAX screens are flat.
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G.I. Joe should be directed by someone who specifically understands the spectacle of a great action film. Wilson Yip, who directed the Ip Man movies, would be able to deliver real action without Bay-style edits. I don't understand how they could bungle The Rock and Bruce Willis taking on Cobra.
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I've been going to a fake imax and paying IMAX prices without getting the real IMAX experience! shame on IMAX for letting this happen!
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June 13, 2012, 4:53 p.m. CST
IMAX sized lens flares — I'm putting on my shades over my 3D glasses
by Chuck_Chuckwalla
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June 13, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST
I didn't notice any problems or discomfort with the 3d in Prometheus.
by gotilk
I thought it was the best 3D I'd seen since Avatar(IMAX). Did I hear correctly that they're doing Trek as a conversion? Even after all of the ruined 3d films out there nearly destroying the format? Avengers wasn't a terrible conversion, but it was VERY obviously a conversion. Best conversion I've seen so far was Cap America, but again... you could still tell. CONVERSION. Native 3D or NO 3D... PLEASE! Please stop. It's over... just stop. The audience is Harrison Ford and conversions are Josef Sommer playing the bad cop at the end of Witness getting the Harrison Ford finger of doom. *It's over... enough.... ENOUGH!* (finger of doom) There are good conversions like there are good VeggieBurgers or Tofu Ham. Yeah, maybe some people like them, but in the end it's NOT ham and it's NOT beef. Just have some tofu instead. Or some MEAT! I will always prefer a 2d film over a conversion, even though I still give them a try if they're big films. If I type the word conversion one more time, my head will become a chunk of Tofurkey.
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Cumabunch. lol Resistance to stupid name jokes is futile.
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That googlemap link is awesome. However, it's slightly incorrect. There are more than just one IMAX screens in the UK. The first ever IMAX was in Bradford, which is not listed. Thanks for the info and the link. Today, I am a wiser and smarter man for it!
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STAR TREK (2009) was actually STAR TREK: NEMESIS, PART II, Volume I.
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June 13, 2012, 5:20 p.m. CST
Jar Jar will stop using lens flares when Snyder stops slow motion fights.
by Tikidonkeypunch
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June 13, 2012, 5:20 p.m. CST
We must i-MAX opening week receipts before people figure out how bad this is!
by justmyluck
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How are things on the Ender's Game set? Anything you can share?
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Real IMAX is large-format film projection and an IMAX format square-ish screen. IMAX lite is a conventional screen and IMAX's digital projection system.
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June 13, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST
Part two will be called "Where No One Has Gone Before" and part 3 will be called "Starfleet's Finest". I'm calling it now.
by ChickenStu
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June 13, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST
You'll have to go to a REAL Imax theater to appreciate 10 minutes of footage and 120 of blurry stuff!
by locater16
IMAX without actually being shot in IMAX all throughout can jump off a cliff. That includes Nolan's upcoming Batman, Abram's next Star Trek and everything else that does so.
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No feature film is entirely IMAX. The stock is expensive and the cameras are big and noisy. The non-IMAX stuff shouldn't be blurry (unless the projectionist is having a bad day!).
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Total crap films have small beginnings.
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June 13, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST
Screens that are large & rectangular = FAKE IMAX. They are IMAX in that the screens are large enough to screen films shot in that format, but typically, you have to...(specs within)
by obijuanmartinez
...go to your local science museum (here in Philly, it's the Franklin Institute, and the screen is 70' across, 4.5 stories tall @ 180-degree-encompassing, round dome; the seating is angled @ 30 degrees, and you are literally sitting within the field of view). If you're at a theater staring down /across at a big, rectangular screen, it's not truly IMAX
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June 13, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST
I really don’t get the complaints (and I’m a big Star Trek fan)
by I_Snake_Plissken
I’m a huge lifelong Star Trek fan, starting with the original series and then original films. Nothing is ever going to beat the chemistry of the original Kirk, Spock and McCoy, and going forward no Star Trek movie will come close to the greatness that is Wrath of Khan….. That being said, I went in highly skeptical but had a blast with the last film. There are several great moments (the opening sequence with Kirk’s dad sacrificing himself is great, the whole orbital dive sequence is fantastic, McCoy’s plan to get Kirk on the Enterprise was hilarious, and seeing the cocky Kirk take on the Kobayashi Maru was a lot of fun). It was enjoyable and solidly entertaining. Yes, having old Spock show up on the ice planet was a ridiculous plot hole, but that aside, I though it was great. Star Trek is easily in the top five (perhaps even top four) of all the theatrical films: Wrath of Khan First Contact The Voyage Home Star Trek / Search for Spock The Undiscovered Country The Motion Picture (Huge drop-off in overall quality) Nemesis Insurrection Generations (horrible death of Kirk sequence) (Huge drop-off in overall quality) The Final Frontier* *What does God need with a starship?
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June 13, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST
LieMax is not as bad as people seem to make it out to be. Yeah, it's bullshit they don't make the distinction but it's not fucking offensively unwatchable
by Tall_Boy6t6
Hell, it's better & clearer than a regular digital projection screen. Of course, why am I bothering to argue with The Kidd since he's often wrong on everything ever? Just another sign he has no idea what he's talking about, though.
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June 13, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST
I want a real 3D movie that isn't afraid to just be a 3D movie and have shit come all the fuck out to your nose. Just film a different cut for non-3D.
by UltraTron
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I remember seeing science IMAX films and thinking GOD DAMN THAT SPACE SHUTTLE IS FUCKING HUGE AND IT'S LIKE I'M THERE. And then seeing the same type of thing in 3D and it's like "Ok, now I can reach out and touch it but it's like it seems small" Kind of like how you can pinch the moon between your fingers...
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June 13, 2012, 6:44 p.m. CST
Ever see Living Seas 3D IMAX. Fucking crab is literally in your face. Looks as detailed and true as a real crab. No flatness.
by UltraTron
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June 13, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST
Star Trek:Prometheus- the crew encounters strange new life but already has their helmets off because it's M-class.
by UltraTron
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June 13, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST
The weird thing is they shot it in IMAX but not 3D which makes it a 50/50 to see it IMAX 3D
by Tall_Boy6t6
Prometheus was shot with the Red Epic camera (same with Amazing Spider-Man) and it's a 3D camera and it has the same resolution as IMAX cams (1000 more lines, actually). this is a post-conversion 3D job yet they shot it in IMAX. And Abrams shakes the camera. Basically, I'm gonna check it out first in regular-vision.
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First one was trash. As usual Abrams, Orci, et al pumping out half assed shit. If they hadn't borrowed so heavily from Star Wars I probably would have enjoyed it, at least while sitting in the theater, but I still would have picked apart all the stupid plot holes afterward. Plus, the FUCKING LENS FLAIR!!!! Stop it. Just stop. It's not cool. It's not stylistic. It's just annoying as FUCK to the audience! No way I'm seeing this. Not on in the theater, not on video. Not ever.
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Nope.
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That being said, I'm moderately excited for this. Sure, the lens flares are gimmicky and unnecessary, but they add to the general "updated" feel of the movie. I'm a fan, but I can understand you guys' point of view.
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June 13, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST
Still say the first movie was trash, and people who don't admit that still can't get past the awesome trailer for it.
by IronEagle74
It's true. The trailer for the first movie was freaking awesome, something I'm sure everyone admits. And then we actually saw the whole movie.....plot holes galore, obvious and laughably predictable plot devices, bad acting and caricatures of classic renditions of classic characters(as well as NO CHEMISTRY), and......of course.....lens flares. I think that some people built up their expectations so high after seeing the trailer that they just refuse to admit how bad the movie was once they saw it. Either that or they're too stupid to realize how bad it was, not surprising in this day and age of Michael Bay box office hits. Abrams, at least based on his Star Trek movie, is an overrated HACK.
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June 13, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST
ironeagle74 -- you have been majorly outvoted by every metric available. thanks for playing.
by Boborci
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June 13, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST
all you idiots who talk about Star Wars, remember that TREK CAME FIRST!
by Boborci
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June 13, 2012, 7:33 p.m. CST
creepythin -- your ridiculous post is all the evidence we need of why I get to write these movies and you don't.
by Boborci
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Have now seen Avengers 4 times (love that movie, already pre-ordered the 3D Blu-ray via Amazon, even tho there's no release date yet- oh, and I don't have a 3D TV/blu-ray yet either, but maybe someday...) what was I saying? Oh yeah- seen Avengers in 2D, twice in 3D, and figured I would finally give our local LieMax a shot. The LieMax screening was BY FAR THE WORST OF THE BUNCH. Horrible. My first clue was when they gave me the big-ass RED AND BLUE GLASSES. I thought, WTF- is this a mistake? Do they still use these colored lenses?? I thought they'd gone the way of the dinosaurs. I thought they would make the screen terribly dark, but the brightness seemed OK. But everything else about the picture blew. It was like watching an SD program on my HDTV- there was a slight ghosting, smearing to every outline, most noticeable with the Russian subtitles in the first Black Widow scene- hanging there in front of your face. Awful, awful. Never again.
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Sweet.
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But so is old Star Trek
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plot holes galore, obvious and laughably predictable plot devices, bad acting.... you mean, just like the original Trek ?? Amazing there was any scenery left to chew anywhere once the Shat had his fill...
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June 13, 2012, 7:45 p.m. CST
creepythin -- right, cuz Don hired me on TF. You know NOTHING. NOTHING.
by Boborci
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Franklin Institute is Omnimax not IMAX from Wikipedia: "IMAX (15/70) spherical lenses 70 mm film, 15 perforations per frame horizontal rolling loop movement, from right to left (viewed from base side) 24 frames per second camera aperture: 70.41 × 52.63 mm (2.772 × 2.072 in) projection aperture: at least 2 mm (0.079 in) less than camera aperture on the vertical axis and at least 0.41 mm (0.016 in) less on the horizontal axis aspect ratio: 1.44:1 IMAX Dome/OMNIMAX Same as IMAX except: fisheye lenses lens optically centered 9.4 mm (0.37 in) above film horizontal center line projected elliptically on a dome screen, 20° below and 110° above perfectly centered viewers"
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Thanks boborci and creepythinman
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Lots of wrong in this talkback. You can actually look here: http://bit.ly/6sohYU. If the theater is listed as 15/70mm, it's true IMAX. Otherwise, it's "digital" IMAX. Digital IMAX uses a digital projection system and a smaller screen. It's still bigger than normal theaters, but nowhere near what the 15/70mm theaters have. Sad thing is, you'll pay the same either way, and the theaters themselves will give you no indication of which format they offer.
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June 13, 2012, 7:55 p.m. CST
Creepy -- thank you for admitting Trek came first. So all your bullshit about us stealing from Star Wars is MOOT!
by Boborci
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June 13, 2012, 7:55 p.m. CST
Came before TOP GUN, too, and Good Will Hunting, and every other reference you can come up with.
by Boborci
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Look, I enjoyed the latest film, and I'm looking forward to the next one, but let's be real. The 2009 movie's script doesn't hold a candle to most of the TOS TV scripts. I mean, we're talking Sam Peeples, Theodore Sturgeon, Harlan Ellison, Jerome Bixby, Robert Bloch, David Gerrold... and that's not counting the stuff from the staff like D.C. Fontana or Gene Coon. All but Gerrold were respected SF writers before coming to Trek, and Gerrold has become one since. I liked the new movie. I liked the cast, and I liked the aesthetic, and I liked the visuals, and I liked the tone. I liked the humor. But the actual script itself was very thin. I excused this because I knew they were trying to get everyone introduced and into the right places, and I was willing to let it slide. I won't be as forgiving this time, so they'd better tighten things up. Can they? I think they can. I'm not holding them to the standard of City on the Edge of Forever or Star Trek II, you understand. I just want it to be good, fun and enjoyable.
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June 13, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST
creepy -- that's like saying "you'd be nothing except your are something." Idiot.
by Boborci
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This is why I try not to venture out of Docbacks, because the rest of the talkbacks are so dumb. First: those of you still saying Jar Jar Trek, or Dawson's Trek, or Trek 90210, or whatever...stop. It was barely clever the first time you said it, and here we are, THREE FUCKING YEARS LATER, and you're still trotting out the same stupid bullshit. You just look like retards. Second, you look like even BIGGER retards if you think boborci is really Bob Orci. I'm pretty sure we've had confirmation from the real Bob Orci over at trekmovie.com that this one isn't him. Plus, try reading the Bob Orci at trekmovie.com. He writes like you'd expect: he's polite, cagey, doesn't reveal a lot, and doesn't really engage with the complainers much. Does boborci seem ANYTHING like that? Christ, how do you imbeciles figure out how to turn your computers on? It's a mystery to me, that's for sure.
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but you should know I only tell people to go fuck their mothers here, since it is called a talk back and all. Everywhere else, I am a perfect gentleman.
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or lindelof
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June 13, 2012, 8:09 p.m. CST
We need Trek on tv. Waiting four years for lens flares sucks.
by Raptor Jesus
It sucks donkey cock. It really does. I don't give a shit about these movies. IT IS TOO LONG BETWEEN MOVIES. SHOULD BE TWO YEARS NOT FOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have been rude to you previously regarding TREK'09 and your writing partner too. I have watched it recently again with an open mind and realised my judgements were coming from a protective love of all things '79-91. The film is a more worthy effort than any Star Wars prequel was, You respected the canon as best you could (Keeping Pike and dressing him in an admirals suit from ST-TMP at the end is proof of this). I think you got balls to come on here and probably the only person in H'wood who bothers to see what us the public think for good or for bad. When I heard your q&a from Hero Complex I realised you guys did love the property and I regret being a judgemental jerk. Trek'09 pisses on Insurrection and Nemesis....even the most hardened Trekker, Trekkie or Critising Talkbacker would have to concede that.
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Because that's the one that came before Star Wars. The Star Trek directed by Abrams came out quite a bit after Star Wars.
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June 13, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST
Creepythinman should play SCORPIO in remake of Dirty Harry....FACT!
by SmokieGeezer
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June 13, 2012, 8:17 p.m. CST
creepy -- you know nothing. That's why I write the movies and you merely comment. FACT!
by Boborci
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June 13, 2012, 8:26 p.m. CST
C'mon Creepythinman defend Insurrection and Nemesis over Trek'09 ??????????
by SmokieGeezer
Truth is if you love all things '79-91 its always their. They at least kept the prime universe in place...its still their brother. Running Bob down personally and anyone else who disagrees with you is all negative baby. I know you love movies but your personal rants do you no favours. Try being positive for a change. Who else from H'wood comes to talk to us but Bob? FACT1
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on why Insurrection is a good movie
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June 13, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST
boborci: It doesn't matter if Star Trek came before Star Wars.
by Dr_PepperSpray
The only things Star Wars took from Trek was that both are set in space, the both have space ships that use warp drive oh and maybe artificial gravity. Plot-wise the two couldn't be further apart. <P> Nu-Trek on the other hand hammers the Joseph Campbell's hero's journey into Star Trek, giving it a parallel arch, and then you (and the other creators) took it one step further by blatantly injecting scenes from Star Wars. <P> Granted Star Trek has used other sources like 2001 and Horatio Hornblower in a similar fashion but at least in the case of Hornblower there where already similarities.
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June 13, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST
Thanks for accepting my apology Bo . If you guys were hacks their is no way an Admirals suit from ST-TMP would be Included in TREK'09 ....FACT!
by SmokieGeezer
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June 13, 2012, 8:42 p.m. CST
dr_pepperspary -- okay, so tell me something Trek ripped off from wars and then we can talk about the relevance of their timing.
by Boborci
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June 13, 2012, 8:45 p.m. CST
creepy -- you've attempted your failed hannibal Lecter routine before, and it is just as boring today.
by Boborci
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June 13, 2012, 8:52 p.m. CST
If someone can defend Krystall Skull, Insurrection, Nemesis, Star Wars prequels over Trek'09 go right ahead and good luck
by SmokieGeezer
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I don't quite know what it's like elsewhere. I can only speak from here. Melbourne Australia. I have seen a few films in the proper Imax theatre here. And countless numbers at the local, "Lie-Max." Hoyts Highpoint Imax. I would chose the Lie-Max every time. Sure the screen isn't as big. However It is quite large. The picture quality and sound quality is amazing. Especially in 3D. I saw the Dark Knight in Both. Lie-Max was better. The seating was better. The sound was better. The picture was sharper and better positioned for the non imax scenes. I also saw some Avatar stuff in 3D at the Imax. 3D was better at the Lie-Max.
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But Abrams' Shit Trek didn't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
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June 13, 2012, 8:58 p.m. CST
Doctor Who came before Star Trek & Star Wars...neener-neener!!! (Sticks tongue out)
by obijuanmartinez
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June 13, 2012, 8:58 p.m. CST
Creepythinman I couldnt help but notice your pain............share it with me FACT!
by SmokieGeezer
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Well I did say that it's all Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey as well. So any time you use that pattern, which by the way any script writing student does to death, you're going to get criticism for ripping off Star Wars. Plot-wise a thousand stories have used this structure, but never Star Trek. So you got me. Most of what you did in Nu-trek isn't exclusive to Star Wars. That doesn't mean we're not on to you. <P> But, if you want me to give you an example, the one scene that stands out in my mind is the medal scene at the end. The only thing you guys forgot to add was the optical wipe at the end. <P> I could also use Old Spock is now Obi-Wan complete with a planet getting destroyed and he feels the death of billions --- However you, or SOMEONE decided to translate that as he physically saw Vulcan explode in the sky.
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...wipe your mothers' feces off your dicks and shut the fuck up. You don't know a goddamn thing. Bob, you're a different guy on AICN than you are on TrekMovie. But then again, so am I. It's NICE to be able to talk to the idiots in a more appropriate manner. FUCK 'EM! Fuck them all with a baseball bat wrapped with barbed wire!
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June 13, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST
boborci - I would venture a guess that the fans who object to your take on Trek -
by Laserbrain
- are doing so not *because* of the rock-em, sock-em adventure element that you and your colleagues have brought to the fore (provoking facile comparisons to Star Wars) but rather they object to the lack of any additional philosophical dimension to the work. Star Trek, in its original incarnation, supplied a weekly does of action, sex, suspense and adventure but it also strove to provoke curiosity about humanity's place in the universe, about engaging with the mysteries of science, shaking off the shackles of superstition and about the ongoing struggle between the evolving human intellect and instinctive, violent primitivism. It was as much about asking interesting questions as it was about Kirk makin' green space chicks and setting phasers to kill. Your take, which successfully hits everyone's "fun" buttons with its spirited and emotive tale of villains, vendettas, super-weapons and revenge, has pretty much nothing weighty on its mind. It's all heart and no brains. If you're wondering why some fans are so critical of your efforts so far it is because you and your cohorts have only showed fidelity to two out of three of Classic Trek's Three "F"s: You've got the Fightin', you've got the Fuckin' but zero interest, it seems, in anything like Filosophizin'.
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but it ain't a cage match until ASI is here. ABRAMHATERS ASSEMBLE! (I'm just an audience member, folks. Rooting for the Trek team!)
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June 13, 2012, 10:03 p.m. CST
umm most of the IMAX theaters ARE lie-MAX. the only real ones are at science centers and stuff, and most don't play anything but 45 min documentaries
by la te ral us
this trend of "movie theater" imax screens is a joke. when i saw attack of the clones when it was blown up for a short imax run, the whole screen just about wrapped around my head
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They've replaced nearly every 70mm IMAX projector with a digital one, the only 70MM's left are in science museums playing the same old educational films, Dark Knight is the last IMAX film being released in traditional 70MM IMAX.
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I've got no dog in this hunt and I haven't seen the original Star Trek so I should really stay out of it, but I'm pretty sure when TalkBackers accuse Abrams and Co. of jacking beats from Star Wars, they're referring specifically to the Joseph Campbell-esque archetypes (i.e. Kirk is now a rebellious hayseed who is destined for Greater Things, fulfilling the legacy left behind by his dead father, etc. etc.). Accusing anyone of ripping off Star Wars is somewhat ironic but, well... the similarities are there.
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I'm too lazy to do the research, but the always-awesome Cracked broke down some of the more obvious parallels here (with a few links to additional write-ups on the subject): http://www.cracked.com/article_19443_7-classic-movies-you-didnt-know-were-rip-offs.html #4.
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June 13, 2012, 10:49 p.m. CST
So I'm just starting to chat with the blu-eyed perfect looking waitress when my dad(thumbing through his phone) inexplicably pulls up a photo of a fat chick with a mustache that I went to high school with and shoves it in her face proclaiming- this is his
by UltraTron
i've never dated the fat chick in the picture. So it was as left-field as can possibly be imagined. So there ya go. Now you know why I'm the way I am. She was cool about it and said her parents do the same thing. I still feel as though I was raped somehow of my game.
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I think the percentage of TOS that was "Filosophizin'" is a lot smaller than you remember. And much of it was bad, in my opinion. What you might have said instead, is that TOS was at its best when it spoke to the times we lived in, bringing the relevant issues of the 60s into a science fiction setting. But I mostly agree with you. I hope the next Trek movie is a bit deeper, and has more soul. The first movie started out with some serious emotional resonance with Hemsworth's scenes, but they never equaled that in the rest of the movie. Still, they've only had two hours. Now that they've gathered everybody together, let's hope they spend a bit of time "ensouling" this next film.
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If so, that's kinda... enlightening. He sounds just like any other vindictive, angry talkbacker. Hmm... I don't buy it. I would think the big names would use some completely random name so they could talk about film without it being a "YOU SUCK" "NO, YOU SUCK, AND YOU HAVE NO CAREER" pitchfest.
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June 13, 2012, 10:55 p.m. CST
My dad is SuperMegaUltraTron. What a fuckin asshole huh? Mutherfucker.
by UltraTron
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June 13, 2012, 10:58 p.m. CST
Ahhh...you lunatics almost make it seem like old times...
by conspiracy
make me wish I had time for this shit like I used too...
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June 13, 2012, 10:58 p.m. CST
He said this is his ex-girlfriend from way back. I was shocked and I'm usually able to field anything. It just happened so fast
by UltraTron
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June 13, 2012, 11 p.m. CST
So now you guys know not to fuck with me. I'm born of ultimate fuckedwithness and could snap at any moment
by UltraTron
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June 13, 2012, 11 p.m. CST
IMAX? Is this so it is easier to fit all the Coincidences and leaps of logic on screen?
by conspiracy
Sorry Bob...it was just sitting there...I had to take the shot... Zing...
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Never minding how stupid a point that is for boborci to make, is that its basically just saying either way you look at it, we don't have an original idea in our heads.
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Possible spoiler... So, I'm not the only one whose heard the Gorn are the baddies in the second one?
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June 13, 2012, 11:09 p.m. CST
Spiderman fights a Gorn this summer. Am I smelling Avengers/Trek cross-over?!
by UltraTron
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June 13, 2012, 11:16 p.m. CST
Iron man. Could he penetrate the enterprise shields? Would a trek cross-over with marvel be the ultimate way to save and perpetuate the trek legacy?
by UltraTron
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June 13, 2012, 11:18 p.m. CST
Hulk versus enterprise. The possibilities for a marvel vs trek film are staggering. In the right hands my god. Enterprise attempts to prevent Galactus from eating a planet. My god man the possibilities. And
by UltraTron
It's happened in the comics so it is a very real possibility some day.
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June 13, 2012, 11:19 p.m. CST
We could do all kinds of activities.. With a trek vs marvel movie
by UltraTron
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June 13, 2012, 11:22 p.m. CST
I just did it. I just gave them the keys to the future. The future of trek could be a very different thing indeed if you opened up the marvel universe for just one movie.
by UltraTron
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June 13, 2012, 11:29 p.m. CST
Anybody listening? We're talking a billion for paramount and a billion for Disney. Split it. Come to a deal. Shiiiiit. With all the fans combined. Shiiiiit
by UltraTron
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June 13, 2012, 11:30 p.m. CST
Shiiiiiiit. I just came up with the biggest money making movie idea of all time.
by UltraTron
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June 13, 2012, 11:38 p.m. CST
I dream it up. You make it. Been feeding Hollywood for years.
by UltraTron
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June 13, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST
Prometheus is like Glen Close in fatal attraction. She just doesn't get it. She's gonna be the mother of your child and she wants a little respect but she's insane.
by UltraTron
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June 14, 2012, midnight CST
I kid. Of course I'm on drugs. It's when I go off them that I notice shit like Paul McCartney being 4 inches taller with a different head
by UltraTron
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June 14, 2012, 12:28 a.m. CST
Did anyone see the 3-D LIFE OF PI clip before PROMETHEUS? Pretty incredible.
by justmyluck
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Cheers and thanks for the backup. I don't have any illusions about old Trek's consistency in the philosophy department - much of it was as dodgy as you say it was. "Some is better than none" is really the point I'd hoped to impress upon Roberto & Co. I agree that Trek's capacity for social allegory was one of its great strengths. Unfortunately for us, the current caretakers of the brand don't appear to have the slightest interest in that sort of thing. I'd love for them to prove me wrong.
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Holy crap. I didn't know Lee was shooting in 3D. What was it like?
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June 14, 2012, 12:50 a.m. CST
@laserbrain: 3-D was incredible. When the flying fish arrived, it made me blink. Overall, a really *poetic* use of CG.
by justmyluck
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Thanks for that; sounds intriguing.
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Lemme try that again.
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Well why would you be any different here? <p> Some of us really appreciate that you take the time to comment here. Even some of us who don't like Star Trek 2009 at all, like myself. I've expressed my complaints, dislikes and concerns politely and you've responded in kind several times. Soooo... <p> Stop feeding the trolls, man. I've been posting at AICN forever in terms of internet years. You can't win. There's not even a point to trying. In fact, IMO, you give them a big fat "I won teh internets" hard on by responding to their inane hatred. Fuck 'em. There's plenty of people here who are able to express their likes AND dislikes in an intelligent thoughtful manner. Ya know?
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June 14, 2012, 2:51 a.m. CST
re: U.S.S. Enterprise in 3D — download a 3-D mesh or buy a model for a more meaningful experience!
by justmyluck
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June 14, 2012, 3:50 a.m. CST
The lens flare was really annoying because there was nothing else of interest happening.
by Fortunesfool
And this in Imax, where JJ's TV framing is even more cropped and useless than ever. I'll pass. I'm just avoiding anything with Team Abrams attached from now on. I'll be a happier person.
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It would be better served on TV. Next next generation. With Mad Men quality. Though I wouldn't mind seeing one last TNG movie to give a proper send off, get it right.
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The Trek '09 vs Star Wars debate is getting old. Let's just agree that the one about a young kid following some old dude into space to a planet that blows up and then receives praise at the end in a ceremony in front of his peers is the better movie.
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June 14, 2012, 6:05 a.m. CST
"all you idiots who talk about Star Wars, remember that TREK CAME FIRST!"
by buggerbugger
Yes, as any self-respecting geek should know, 'Star Trek' invented everything in sci-fi, especially all the things that were in sci-fi long before 'Star Trek' was first broadcast on TV. 'Star Trek' certainly came before 'Star Wars', but it didn't come first. Big fucking difference.
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When did this become the "Infamous" Billy the Kid site? What make him so infamous...that he takes news that others have broke and provides us links? Shoddy....
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June 14, 2012, 7:15 a.m. CST
Also Master and Commander was the last great Star Trek movie.
by Dr_PepperSpray
The only difference is that it didn't take place in Space.
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Yay, it's bash Bob Orci time! Let me play! Anyway, Bob dumb-dumb Orci: Yeah Good Will Hunting, Top Gun, and Star Wars were first produced after the 1960s Star Trek, but YOUR Star Trek from 2009 came after them. And YOUR 2009 Trek totally ripped off Wars, Hunting, and TopGun!!!!! Examples: Genius kid gets into bar brawls and has no direction in life: Pine's Kirk! STOLEN idea from Damon's character in Good Will Hunting Farmboy meets mentor to be sent on mission, meets other characters along way to form team, goes into space: Kirk again! STOLEN idea from Luke Skywalker character from STAR FUCKING WARS! (which also ripped off Dorothy from Wizard of Oz) Actually, Trek 09 has lots of ideas ripped off of Star Wars....
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June 14, 2012, 7:39 a.m. CST
dr_pepperspray: yes, Master & Commender was a great "Trek" movie, but my favorite was Galaxy Quest
by Just_Some_Guy
Galaxy Quest is the best "Star Trek" movie of all time.
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June 14, 2012, 8:24 a.m. CST
CREEPYTHINMAN: WE WANT YOU ON THAT WALL. WE "NEED" YOU ON THAT WALL.
by Darth Busey
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June 14, 2012, 8:26 a.m. CST
AND TO BE FAIR...I LOVED THE 2009 "STAR TREK" FILM, AND FIND CREEPYTHINMAN'S RANTS TO BE 90-95% FULL OF SHIT. BUT 100% ENTERTAINING!
by Darth Busey
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June 14, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST
So no one is buying into the 48fps filmmaking yet? I'd take that over 3D any day of the week. Wonder if we can get NON-3D IMAX.
by critical
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June 14, 2012, 9:13 a.m. CST
criticalbuzz, nope--if it's 3D they won't show the Imax in 2d, hence they won't get my $$!!!
by Simpsonian
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Guess I can add this to my non-essentials list
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June 14, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST
NEW TREK 09 HAD THE LOOK AND FEEL OF A FILM SCHOOL PROJECT
by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings
FACT!
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June 14, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST
Who really cares? this will be another Sequel I will surely avoid along with Bayformers and the like.
by Stalkeye
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June 14, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST
justsomeguy, let's not forget McCoy's allergic reaction was a ripoff of Eddie Murphy's Nutty Professor
by SergeantStedenko
and Scotty's trip through the brewery tubes straight out of Willy Wonka.
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June 14, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST
just_some_guy: Agreed. Galaxy Quest was a quality parody and while keeping the spirit.
by Dr_PepperSpray
My favorite is Guy, who despite being a generic red-shirt makes it out alive.
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I just thought the first one was silly in spots. Like the opening, Kirk in the Vet as a kid. Gimme a break with the hanging over the cliff shit. Thats the kind of shit i hated. There was no reason for us to be seeing that IMO. We didnt know why it was happening, just to give us the sense that he was a BAD kid or something idk. I will watch it for Karl Urban!!! I love that guy!!!
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GQ was the best ST movie!!!
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June 14, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST
I'm predicting Herc is going to post the George Bush head on a stick GoT story soon
by SergeantStedenko
Who wants to bet?
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They could release it THIS September or certainly by November ...
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I thought it was a moderate hit.
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June 14, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST
Galaxy Quest is a better Star Trek movie than Star Trek.
by Just_Some_Guy
I always get choked up in the end when they crash into the convention. That one scene was filled with more love for Star Trek than any Star Trek production ever.
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June 14, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST
Someone clear this up for me. Is that boborci guy who posts here the real dude?
by ChickenStu
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according to Harry and several other blackboxers.
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1st reboot was watchable but nothing deserving the words "Star Trek" in the title. So I doubt this will better...
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...than nu trek. absolutely. i never even liked galaxy quest at first because i thought it pissed on trek then i actually saw it and understood what they were doing. guess what nu trek did? pissed on trek... i'm sure boborci was confirmed by an aicn staff member some time ago. is he gonna tell us wha the thought of the prometheus script? simon pegg is too scared to give any kind of review on twitter, it's pathetic.
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June 14, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST
As for keep saying to Creepythinman that it's you who writes the movies and he doesn't....
by ChickenStu
That's a fucking insulting argument. I actually like your star trek movie - but cowboys and aliens was totally unforgivable and shouldn't have got made. Didn't you work on the transformers movies aswell? Why did you get into screenwriting man? Cause one pretty good film aside, all you seem to do is write films based on fucking giant toys and suck Ridley Scott's cock. Dunno if that was you or your pal but my point stands. Fuckers like you are killing hollywood. I had to drive 70 miles to Oxford just to find a cinema that was playing "The Raid" yet your bullshit clogs up local multiplexes like stubborn turds in a u bend. Do me a favour, use your education and talent and do something fucking original. Otherwise fuck off.
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you paid to see the sequels after the first one was so abysmal? that's your problem. i haven't even seen 2 and 3. YEEEAAAAHHHH
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June 14, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST
BOB ORCI GOT WHERE HE IS THE SAME WAY TRAVOLTA DID
by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings
Doing homosexual things that would make ordinary people throw up.
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June 14, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST
BOB ORCI'S BIOPIC WILL FEATURE DRUG-FUELED GAY ORGIES AND BESTIALITY
by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings
I've got my tickets already.
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"Hollywood's Secret Weapons" who together "are the quiet force behind $3 billion in box office." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg1u7L6ZJfc&feature=related
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Which makes me wonder how long it takes that pudgy man-child to bang out one of his "hits" on a laptop. I mean--getting sloshed and defending one's honor against the likes of creepythinman on AICN would seem to be a significant time-sink for a beneficiary of Artistic Patronage.
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I wish that Orci and Kurtzman would stop making TV shows and movies.
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June 14, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST
the Force, Warp Speed, Planet Destruction, farm boy from Iowa ends up in Space, galactic Empires, etc.... all in Star Trek first.
by Boborci
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June 14, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST
boborci is a talkback character designed for entertainment purposes only and any similarity to Roberto Orci is purely coincidental.
by Boborci
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June 14, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST
chickestu -- i had nothing to do with Transformers 3 nor will I with 4.
by Boborci
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It may or may not be true that all the things that appear in Star Wars originally showed up at one point or another throughout the run of Star Trek episodes, movies, homoerotic Kirk/Spock slashfics, and so on. But that's a good 35 years' worth of material. To condense all of those things into one film -- in a configuration that looks suspiciously like Star Wars, no less -- seems like more than a coincidence to me. Or at least worth pointing out. This is not a knock on "Nu-Trek" (well, kinda). I liked it and look forward to the sequel, but the comparisons aren't going to go away anytime soon.
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June 14, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST
It's absurd, because Abrams even mentions he wanted to make his Trek more like Star Wars on the DVD commentary
by SergeantStedenko
Now he is the director and as far as whether or not that was the intent of the writers, well I'll just have to take Bob at hi word.
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June 14, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST
Ribbons - no, all the Trek things i am citing that ended up on Star wars happened during its 3 YEAR run in the 60s!
by Boborci
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But, since your back--quick question: What's your favorite sci-fi film with a low budget that was made into a masterpiece by artistic integrity? Mine is Avalon by Mamoru Oshii.
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Hey, just my opinion, so relax folks. Smoke some weed through your space helmet, and don't pet the curious alien cobra swimming in the puddle of black alien goo.
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I liked that one. Not as much as Oshii's two Ghost in the Shell movies, but still good stuff.
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His reasoning is both a tu quoque and strawman logical fallacy. It has been pointed out many times, with evidence, that Star Trek(2009) is a thematic rip of Star Wars(1977-1983).
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Spock felt death of hundreds of Vulcans in Trek (the force). Doomsday machine destroyed planets (the Death Star). Kirk was born in Iowa before going into space (Luke). Warp Speed (warp speed). Wanna keep going?
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That's not the issue. And please answer my previous question.
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June 14, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST
overrated -- No, Star Wars borrowed from TOS. Admit that first, and then refresh my memory with your question.
by Boborci
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The Hidden Fortress, pulp sci-fi serials etc. You're just being a dick now. It was a simple question: =What's your favorite sci-fi film with a low budget that was made into a masterpiece by artistic integrity?=
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June 14, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST
It is just as simple for you to acknowledge the things that came first in Trek since you are one of the ones arguing that Trek ripped off all things Star Wars.
by Boborci
Alien.
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HBO just started popping 1st contact here and there - holds up quite well even with the damage done to the Borg by the screenplay (better as a true collective, not a bee colony) I rented nu-Trek back in the day and basically forgot most everything about it after seeing it. It was a little distracting seeing all these actors from silly comedies (Harold and Kumar, Superfuzz) and the psycho little guy from the hit men in a hotel movie (Pine) but at the risk of sounding like a hater - I don't recall it doing much for me. Not terrible but not very memorable either. Outside of the katana scene on that low-orbit/high-atmosphere elevator and something vague about Vulcan exploding, a four legged huge Waampa-like creature, and Spock of course, I basically don't remember any of it... Kind of hard to pin down why with just the one viewing tho...most of Abrahms stuff has been that way. I swear I'm not trying to hate on the guy - I really liked Cloverfield which he wrote, but I think Matt Reeves is a much better director than Abrahms (Reeves's 'Let me In' had more heart in the first 20 minutes than all the heart 'Super8' had and then lost after the first act). Never watched 'Lost' and MI3 was good primarily because of Hoffman (and Maggie Q of course). Does nu-Trek have a growth factor upon re-watching? I'd get the blu but I think it's still at the $30 mark which means its a ripoff unless there's a high re-watch-ability factor?
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What might those be, Bob? Lens flares? "I don't think Kirk likes me". You're the big-time screenwriter. Give us a hint about your artistic influences, that we may better ourselves.
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Fact.
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so i'm happy that at least a few of the sequences have been shot using the format.
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June 14, 2012, 6:10 p.m. CST
Bob: check it: http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/05/14/star-trek-rips-off-star-wars/
by Just_Some_Guy
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June 14, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST
The basic story structure of your Star Trek totally ripped off 1976 Star Wars
by Just_Some_Guy
But, it's true that Star Wars ripped off Lord of the Rings which ripped off Wizard of Oz
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June 14, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST
darth macchio: Trek2009 does NOT have a re-watchable factor. The more you rewatch it, the more things you find wrong with it.
by Just_Some_Guy
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June 14, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST
BTW: I can't wait to NOT watch the new Trek sequel in theatres. I WILL wait to watch it for free on FX while I'm passing out drunk.
by Just_Some_Guy
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June 14, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST
If You Actually Think Star Trek is Better than Star Wars
by Lesbianna_Winterlude
then you are quite the heavyset gentleman.
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June 14, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST
Dude, the more flaws *you* find with it does not mean that *everyone* re-watching it just sees flaws
by Tall_Boy6t6
Maybe they still like the movie. Your opinion is not the only one.
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June 14, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST
just_some_guy - It's been on shit basic cable an I still haven't re-watched it
by evergreen
The best part is that I *never* paid for it. How you like that mess, Bob?
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June 14, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST
darth macchio believes there are people on this planet who remember the TNG movies
by SuperTrekkie
Seriously. It's right there in his post. Read it yourself.
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June 14, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST
Bob - I watched a pirate copy of your shit movie during an extended lunch break
by evergreen
It didn't cost me a goddamn thing. You still haven't answered my question.
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Which cost you...Gosh, I don't even want to think about it. I wouldn't feel so bad if you would just clarify your artistic stance.
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June 14, 2012, 8:22 p.m. CST
Overrated. How many times to i have to say Alien? Alien! Alien! For tbe fourth time.
by Boborci
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June 14, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST
Bob, how's that "belief in the Big Bang theory is like a religion" thing going?
by Just_Some_Guy
I like beer.
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Even though you still suck.
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Now state your business so we can move on.
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Bob, the problem with Star Trek 2009 is that you didn't include what made the TV show great. Action is fine, but without heart, character development, and an intelligent story it's nothing but fluff used to fill the coffers of the studio. You of all people ought to know that story comes first, not action or special effects. The original show had gobs of great stories and cardboard sets... Yet it is remembered with great reverence while your movie will be forgotten.
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Someone's being a dick but it's not Orci. Don't you get tired of this game? Like someone said " I wish I still had time for this ". Some people seem to have an over abundance of free time on their hands. I can understand someone saying they didn't like a movie once. After that ( and the stupid game you're playing ) it's just dumb. It's just trolling. A lot of people liked the new ST and that must just eat you up. I'm glad they're still making the new Trek and look forward to the new movie and what they do with the storyline.
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Just something I’ve noticed. It’s so random who ends up getting to make movies.
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And your arguments are just great right? And I don't think it's random at all.
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And if I had it wouldn’t influence the fact that Bob’s are terrible.
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" I haven’t made any arguments. " Exactly. I just don't agree with you.
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I have a major problem with the actors playing Kirk and Spock, and the screenwriters. The 2009 film was good in a few ways. They get a lot of stuff about Trek: the adventure, the humor, the spontaniety. But the stuff with Vulcan was shock value fan-fiction garbage and it pisses me off, and they'll have to retcon it and eat it eventually. It was just so dumb. As was the villian and his motivation. They could've made it classic Klingon stuff and had Kang and changed the Klingon/Federation relationship instead of playing fanboy regulator and wiping out a whole race. Damn. The old Trek was made up of morality plays and Shakesperian theater. Go watch it, it's true. They talked about philosophical ideals, not just about whether you can be Kirk or you can be Spock, and what does that look like now like some damn therapy session. Ooh, I sound like Bones! I'm kind of sad that Hemsworth was Thor and not Kirk, because Hemsworth looks like a grown man and acts maturely, and his turn in the film made me like him instantly more than Abercrombie underwear model guy Kirk. They do not seem like mature men.
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Check and mate. Orci is a genius.
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I think they got alot of things right in the new Trek. I wasn't happy with certain small points but like with most movies ( including the old trek ) I cut them some slack for making an enjoyable film and ressurecting the franchise that had written itself into a corner. And please don't even try to tell me all of the old trek movies ( or episodes ) were wonderful ( I've seen Star Trek 5 and I've seen Spock's Brain ). This is coming from a big fan of ST since 1966.
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I actually thought Trek ’09 was decent. It was solidly enjoyable and probably my favorite of Orci’s movies that I’ve seen. Most of his work is just very forgettable, textbook Hollywood stuff though. Not awful, but corporate and uninspired. And then there are the Transformers movies, but I will say naught of them.
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...those characters were simply DONE. As much as I love them, in 2009, the same can probably be said for all the characters from all the other shows. <p> Do. Something. New. <p> Re-writing some shit that's forty years old isn't new, it's "All New! 20% More for the same price! New fresh scent!" nonsense.
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This video says it all........ http://www.collegehumor.com/video/4026025/deja-view-my-favorite-movie-star-trek-vs-star-wars Sure, Lucas took his cue from The Hidden Fortress (among others) but at least he had the imagination to turn it into something of his own. Plus, The Hidden Fortress wasn't one of the biggest films in history - it was more of an obscure art house flick.... Fuck Abrams and fuck Hollywood!
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June 15, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST
So, Bob, if Star Trek TOS came first and Star Wars copied ST, what does that say about your Trek that it was a copy of the copy?
by SergeantStedenko
You've achieved a new level of postmodern derivativeness. You've boldly gone where so many hack writers have gone before.
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June 15, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST
RE:"the Force, Warp Speed, Planet Destruction, farm boy from Iowa ends up in Space, galactic Empires, etc.... all in Star Trek first."
by Stalkeye
But Star Wars did it best. Thank You.
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June 15, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST
Why would Roberto "Bob" Orci waste his time on a Talkback like this one? Or any Talkbacks for that matter?
by Mr. Pricklepants
Doesn't he have better things to do? BTW, I really like J.J. Abrams' Star Trek.
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June 15, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST
mr_incredible, like it or not we are Orci's audience
by SergeantStedenko
I can only speak for myself, but I've watched Hercules and Xena Warrior, Alias, Fringe, Transformers 1, Star Trek, Cowboys and Aliens. Even the haters are going to see the next Nu-Trek. And I imagine Roberto posts here for the same reasons you and I do. Why he does so un-anonymously, I have no idea. He's a glutton for punishment.
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1. It would be great for the fans who loved "TNG" - or even "DS9" - and prefer a philosophy-driven Trek. 2. It would be great for Paramount because they can use alternate, lower-budget Star Trek movies in the time in between their Kirk movies. You could even have a post-credits scene that would keep people in touch with the alternate universe, maybe even having characters transport between the universes. Someone on here said that another "TNG" movie would be a bomb. Like with the original series, "TNG" has gained many new fans in syndication. The climate is right for another movie, maybe with only Riker and Troi (and mostly those separated, with maybe O'Brien, Quark, Lore and/or Barkley in supporting roles). You put Riker on the Titan or Defiant, crash-landed on a Klingon planet, and needing to barbarically battle his way to a tower in the wilderness to make communication with Starfleet, and you would have a great movie. Throw in some espionage, politics, and sub-plots and twists if it works. People who think the film would fail haven't noticed how many sci-fi movies have taken off lately. What used to be geek-exclusive has gone way more mainstream since the only really celebrated TNG movie. And, don't try to argue ID4 and Men In Black. ID4 was way more action than sci-fi, tickets were sold on spectacle and Will Smith, and MIB was a comedy that was sold as pretty much a follow-up to ID4. In recent years, geek movies have hit a new stratosphere, with District 9, the Marvel movies, Inception, Book of Eli, Super 8, Source Code all making money. I've viewed less than half of those, so I can't attest to their quality, but time's have changed since Minority Report and The Matrix sequels, which thrived on the popularity of the actors and/or the pre-existing properties. The movies I listed above, other than the Marvel ones, were successes regardless of their release date or their lack of stars (and, no, not all Denzel and Leo movies make as much as Book of Eli and Inception). Make a Star Trek movie in the Alpha universe with a character beloved worldwide like Riker (and a moving script) and it would be a hit.
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