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We All Knew This Was Coming... Ridley Scott Says An Extended Cut Of PROMETHEUS Will Be On The Blu-Ray!

Published at: June 11, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST by Nordling

Nordling here.

Frankly, this pisses me off a little bit, and yet, like most of you, I'll still happily fork over the $20 or so for the Blu-Ray.  Ridley Scott, yesterday, told Collider that there will, indeed, be an extended cut of PROMETHEUS on the Blu-Ray release:

COLLIDER: You’re going to do an extended cut on the Blu-ray/DVD. Is it a lot longer?

SCOTT: Twenty minutes.

COLLIDER: So there’s, like, twenty minutes that will be added back in for a longer version?

SCOTT: Maybe. But I’m so happy with this engine, the way it is right now. I think it’s fine. I think it works. It can go in a section where, if you really want to tap in, look at the menu. To see how things are long, and it’s too long. Dramatically, I’m about putting bums on seats. For me to separate my idea of commerce from art—I’d be a fool. You can’t do that. I wouldn’t be allowed to do the films I do. So I’m very user friendly as far as the studios are concerned. To a certain extent, I’m a businessman. I’m aware that’s what I have to do. It’s my job. To say, “Screw the audience.” You can’t do that. “Am I communicating?” is the question. Am I communicating? Because if I’m not, I need to address it.

So what will be added?  You can head over to Collider and watch the interview there.  Apparently there is a longer cut of the fight between Dr. Shaw (Noomi Rapace) and the Engineer, but Scott is unsure whether that will wind up on the extended cut and not just be a deleted scene.  It also sounds like Scott may realize many of the problems that people have had with the movie and would address them in an extended edit.

I've seen PROMETHEUS twice now, and I hoped that some of my issues would be addressed or go away entirely.  They didn't.  Perhaps an extended version will address some of my problems, or maybe it will make things even more confusing and have characters react in even more stupid ways (come on, taking off your helmet in an alien environment?  Really?)

Nordling, out.  Follow me on Twitter!

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  • June 11, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    'Bout Time

    by Cool Ethan

  • June 11, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    FIRST!!!!

    by toxictodd

  • June 11, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST

    It'll make it even less intelligible

    by catlettuce4

  • June 11, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Mmmm...squid.

    by tylerzero

  • June 11, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Meh.

    by toxictodd

    it was too long anyway.

  • but I don't really think its needed. Also that quote from Scott was so all over the place it sort of hurt my head to read.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    And the DVD!

    by tomdolan04

    Just sayin'

  • June 11, 2012, 12:17 p.m. CST

    I longer cut will not help

    by eric haislar

    Because they don;t have any answers for any of the questions asked. It they did they would have been in the film.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    20 minutes more!

    by Titus05

    yipee!

  • June 11, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Ridley Scott Says An Extended Cut- But he actually says maybe

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Ha!

  • June 11, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Great news!

    by Mumbo

    I'll be grateful to see even more if this brilliant, invasive and startling (flawed) masterpiece!!!

  • June 11, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Shaw vs Space Jesus

    by donkey_lasher

    The rest of the interview reveals a fight scene between her and the Engineer. She's armed with an Axe.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    The helmets coming off

    by eric haislar

    I am sure has to do with the actors not being able to stay in them for long periods of time. Having them take them off is the least of the films problem.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    I'm psyched

    by Jaster Mareel

    I did think the Shaw vs. Engineer battle, in thesense that there really wasn't one, was a bit short. It would be nice if there was some tension in a bit of a stalking sense, where the engineer is hunting her. instead he chases her, she opens teh door bada-bing, it's over. I'm fine with that, but a bit of extension would have been nice. I hope there is seamless branching so I can watch the theatrical cut too. In my opinion it really doesn't need anything else and stands fine by itself.

  • As such, I ain't gonna complain.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Watched it last night

    by Morgan

    I enjoyed the film immensely, flaws and all, but as I was watching it, I felt like a Director's Cut was inevitable and like a lot of Ridley's stuff, Prometheus will benefit from some more expository scenes, etc. Its sad that often, Scott has to use the home market to flesh out his ideas better (Blade Runner, Kingdom of Heaven, Legend) and isn't allowed to do it the right way the first time out. Looking forward to the blu ray.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    PROMETHEUS IS A MASTERPIECE

    by Mumbo

    This is all

  • June 11, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST

    After reading his quote, I agree the engineer fight should have been cut

    by Jaster Mareel

    If it just amounts to her swinging an axe at him, I agree that would seem pathetic after he just tore apart a room full of people in seconds.

  • He can get fucked. jussayin

  • June 11, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Was it a little weird that they took their helmets off?

    by Jaster Mareel

    Yes. Just because the atmosphere was breathable doesn't mean it didn't carry infectious disease! did it in any way ruin the movie for me? Fuck no! Was it a little weird the xenobiologist wanted to pet the cobra thing? Yes, but it was kinda darkly humorous, which I'm sure is what Ridley was going for. I don't remember the other complaints you bleeding pussies had, but they're all ridiculous.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    by citizen13

    Maybe it would explain how the engineer chased her from his spaceship to her spaceship, through a toxic environment, without a helmet on.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    The 20 Extra Minutes

    by John Ary

    I understand it's just one long scene where an engineer has dinner with Jesus.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST

    psycho_rat_attack

    by eric haislar

    Masterpiece is a very strong word and should not be thrown around lightly. In fact people should wait 20 to 30 years and see if what ever it is stands the test of time. If so then feel free to use that word.

  • Prometheus is awesome. If you think otherwise, you are retarded.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST

    I really enjoyed it, flaws and all

    by gaygoonie

    I don't mind unanswered questions. That's a pretty bold move in this day and age. If you need everything tied up in a bow, go watch The Avengers again with a happy meal.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST

    citizen13

    by eric haislar

    Ha never thought of that.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST

    You're going to get some answers now, ya whiny fags.

    by Jason Bartlett

  • June 11, 2012, 12:41 p.m. CST

    So what happened to the whole "one cut" thing during the PG-13 madness?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Looking forward to the cut scenes with the smoke monster.

  • Damon, being in the JJ Abrams circle are the biggest dick teases ever to land a job in entertainment. By their m.o. anybody can write a screenplay. Just ask a bunch of questions and finally answer something then ask five more questions. You can't miss except for an audience member.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Then screw the movies...I WILL WAIT

    by Knocky

  • "That huge fucking thing came out of me?!?"

  • June 11, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Fuck my typing is awful

    by eric haislar

    A longer cut will not help. Because they don't have any answers for any of the questions asked in the film. If they did it would have been in the film.

  • A trillion-dollar mission lost without a trace? That's a bigger corporate fuck up than New Coke.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    psycho_rat_attack. I agree brother. A masterpiece.

    by Quake II

    The Prometheus haters must have missed the last 3 Alien films and assumed they were actually watchable. Ridley Scott has injected this series with life again and I'm on board for the next one. I loved Prometheus and think some of the hate is by Alien fanboys who wanted another action-packed "leave your brain at the door" James Cameron Aliens film. Prometheus is more for the 2001/Solaris/Moon crowd. I think it's Ridley's most mature and epic film to date. He's venturing into Terrence Malick territory with his cinematography in Prometheus. Beautiful movie.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    This is why people download illegal copies

    by Chris Lown

    It's like having to buy a book twice because the first time they left some pages out. As a regular cinema goer and regular DVD/bluray buyer I'm feed up of feeling like the studios are conning us out of our hard earned money!!!! Just saying!

  • June 11, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Meh? MEH? FUCK YOUR MEH's!!! Prometheus rocked!

    by Tank Williams

    Plot holes? Maybe. Over hyped? Probably. Annoying, pointless side characters? Absolutely. But at the end of the day, Ridley Scott delivered an exciting, beautiful, scary, and worthy sci-fi flick to share the Alien universe. The fact that this film is getting so much attention alone, is fantastic! I think this is a film that will grow on people, and will be burned in peoples memories for a long time, for better or worse. To be honest, I think we should all be grateful we even got another Ridley Scott sci-fi movie, and most importantly that it didn't suck ass!! Chalk Prometheus up as a massive success in my book. Thank you Ridley, and dont listen to the haters! They have to much time on their hands diving into the plot holes, and overall lore of your Alien universe, you so masterfully created 30 years ago. While Avengers remains my favorite flick of the year so far, Prometheus remains a close second. So. Fucking. Awesome.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Good News

    by Craig

    As I felt that pretty much from the point where she finds out she is pregnant right up until the end felt rushed. Please do the adding here as the first 45 minutes to an hour were pretty much perfect.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Look, an similar to the one I posted on the other thread.

    by brad negrotto

    And no credit. Shesh.

  • It was the first 3D film I saw and that scene just blew me away. I do feel the film was a bit rushed. An extra 20 minutes would round it out some more.

  • I LOL'd.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    What exactly was "scary" in PROMETHEUS?

    by la_sith

    I'm more scared that someone was actually scared.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Nordling, taking off the helmet...

    by dr_john_zoidberg

    ...was all about faith. This is Dr. Shaw's religion, so to speak. She has so much faith in what she believes to be the start of human civilization, so much faith in what the Engineers were (in her eyes) trying to accomplish, that she had no qualms with testing the atmosphere without a helmet. Religion(or faith) can do strange things to a person.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    LOL apologists armed with hyperbole

    by Tighxo

    it's a "masterpiece" and everyone who doesn't think so is "retarded" or "didn't get" yea ok... So sayeth the uber nerds, gimme a break.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    citizen13, who says it was a toxic environment TO HIM?

    by Jaster Mareel

    Also, who says he didn't bring his helmet and take it off once he got on board. That would make sense wouldn't it?

  • June 11, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    babyfarkmcgeezax: I agree

    by MGTHEDJ

    I saw it Saturday night. I really liked it, not as much as Roger Ebert who gave it 4 stars. I'm at 3. The reason is I felt there were 5-10 minutes missing from the theatrical cut. One place was the "cobra attack." Was the guy oxygen deprived, and that's why he didn't run from the creature? I feel for Ridley, he always gets messed over on his US Theatrical release, and it's the Home version where the audience sees his completed piece.-----later-----m

  • June 11, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST

    it's 20 minutes of David watching Lawrence of Arabia.

    by durhay

    WHO ARE YOU

  • That's it -- I'm officially outta here!

  • June 11, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST

    wrath_of_fett: If the engineer DNA is identical to human DNA...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...that means he cannot breathe CO2.

  • June 11, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST

    You're right that he might have worn his helmet on the way over.

    by Royston Lodge

    Fair point, there.

  • 1) "OMG DEY GAVE NO ANSWERS!" - - - oh shit, did you have to do some serious thinking about stuff in order to understand the film? No, wait, you refused to do so. 2) "Nothing made any sense, there are so many plot holes!!!!!" - - even though three talkback threads have now painfully pointed out how none of these plot points are relevant or well founded. 3) "Characters are all stupid and one dimensional!!!!!!" - - - same people who lap up every shit superhero movie with moronic linear characters 4) "Space jesus, stupid re-hash, not iconic, nothing special!!!!!" - - - same people who lap up utter crap like Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Game of Thrones 5) "It was a big disappointment/fuck you to fans of Alien" - - - Wow, entitlement complex much?

  • A lot of what people are stating are plot holes, I think really aren't and are meant to give some mystery for the future films in the series to give insight too. I kind of figured an extended cut would be on the blu-ray and welcome any chance to spend more time in the world of Prometheus!

  • June 11, 2012, 1 p.m. CST

    @la_sith

    by Tank Williams

    In regards to calling it "scary".. I didnt necessarily mean I was "SCARED" to go to sleep that night. But there were some nice freak out moments. And the whole idea behind the film and the film's themes that are being presented, are slightly scary to think about. I dont think ive actually been scared by a film since I was 8 years old and saw exorcist for the first time

  • June 11, 2012, 1:01 p.m. CST

    no respectable gentleman

    by eric haislar

    I know. I am speechless. I was going to write something about that. But I just erased what I was going to post. because really what is the point. you can't reason with them.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:01 p.m. CST

    20 minutes of Captain Janek banging Meredith Vickers.

    by Royston Lodge

    Bow chikka bow bow!

  • June 11, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    don't understand the hate

    by Jeremy

    Prometheus has problems, yes, but I don't understand the extreme negativity related to this film. Sure, there are "plot holes" but the larger questions the film asks are left as intriguing mysteries and there's enough meat on the bone to let the audience walk out with their own opinions. Not all movies work all the time, but I think much of this movie does work, enough for me to be excited about an extended cut. This new trend of filmmakers answering every question in their films is tiring and makes the films themselves more disposable. Can you imagine the balls it took to make the original Alien, introduce a U.F.O. with a new form of life, and then leave the audience without any more information as to what it is? No filmmaker would dare do that today and it's one of the reasons the original has endured. Just remember, you got answers with the Star Wars prequels and look how that turned out. Much of the time, the mystery is better.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    wrath_of_fett

    by LiquidHotMagma

    The airlock door was open when shaw arrived, so if he didnt have his helmet on he'd be breathing the outside air. If we were made using the engineer DNA, if it was toxic to us wouldnt it also be toxic to him?

  • June 11, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Actually the DNA match thing seemed like a minor plot hole to me

    by Jaster Mareel

    ...Just look at them, they're not genetically identical to us. So it couldn't have been a perfect genetic match. I'm sure it was very close because chimps match 98%, but the engineers must have been like 99.5% or something.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Great, 20 more minutes of absolute mindless shit...

    by Pdorwick

    ...thanks Ridley

  • June 11, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Prometheus was fantasic

    by toxicopoulus

    Don't apologize for liking it (warts and all). There really weren't that many warts. It just didn't deliver the masturbatory action beats that a number of the adolescents who troll this place expected. These are the same type of people who found the first Alien slow and boring and only provided the shock of the chest-busting scene to gain notoriety. That's right. That is exactly what critics and audiences were saying when Alien was first released. Don't even get me started on the reception that Blade Runner originally received. I saw it opening night and the theater was virtually empty. The fact that so many of the "independent" thinkers in the talkbacks NOW say that they revere Alien and Blade runner is almost laughable. You guys aren't original or even the slightest bit discerning. You're band wagoners. The thing that some people are having a hard time wrapping their brains around is that Prometheus is a Science Fiction movie; the best of which involve actual themes and musings on things beyond the surface conceit. If you don't like science fiction fine, just don't pretend you do. In the 70's we had a run of actual thought-provoking sci-fi that was little appreciated at the time: Silent Running, No Blade of Grass, The Andromeda Strain, THX 1138 Solaris and yes Alien. These were all slow, slow meditative films that used the genre to offer rumination on themes ranging from the environment to the role of society. and you fuckers would have hated every single one of them; even though you now probably proclaim that you view them as masterpieces. Hell, you should have been around when 2001 came out. "Incomprehensible nonsense" was the general consensus at the time so you can probably understand why your opinions on Prometheus ring so hollow to people who know better (yes BETTER). You should be happy that you are getting films like this that are getting a studio budget and a more fleshed out extended version. Plus smaller films like "Moon". peace

  • June 11, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Loved the movie but hope the extended cut...

    by Andrew Coleman

    explains why the biologist was acting like a frat guy and acted like an idiot through the movie.

  • There it is over there! Hang a right! And then they land right on the intricate line drawings on the ground surrounding the pyramid. I guess preserving those for study wasn't important. This movie has SO many massive gaps in logic that just exist because they were too lazy to write REAL motivations into the characters, that I simply cannot forgive it. It would have taken no more time or money to have them scan the surface of the planet, or leave their helmets on, or NOT poke the obviously hostile alien creature, than it did otherwise. They simply did not care. So fuck them and their stupid cash-grabbing abortion of a movie.

  • There is a difference between leaving things unexplained or creating a sense of mystery and throwing logic, common sense and established characterization out of the window. I have no problem with ambiguity, but this film wasn't ambiguous, it was poorly written, constructed and edited. This is not the same man who made Bladerunner (an ambiguous and brilliant film) and Alien (a true sci-fi horror). Time for the old geezer to call it a day.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST

    The answers to the big questions I don't need.

    by Jethro Bodine

    Some extra character and plot stuff to smooth some of it out, sure. As well as some more patient pacing in the third act. But otherwise, this movie fucking rules. There hasn't been a summer film that has melded spectacular blockbuster commercial filmmaking with some big, existential ideas since AI, another divisive film I love. I say bring on the extended cut, Sir Ridley! The more the fucking merrier.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Whatever Prometheus's flaws...

    by jimmy_009

    It was still remarkably entertaining. There are a few things in particular I'd fix though: - Run sideways. Seriously, they're running the length of the falling ship instead of just going sideways. The scientists rolls over once and is out of the way. - Explain the motivation of the Engineers. There has to be some reason given of why they "changed their minds". During the course of the movie I was wondering if the seeding of earth was accidental... like the engineer on Earth got left behind and opted to kill himself, accidentally tainting the Earth in the process. I thought this was actually pretty interesting, but that's not the way the direction the story eventually went in (at least as far as I can tell). If it had gone that way I could see the Engineer wanting to wipe out the contamination mistake that is humanity (and all life on earth I imagine). That would be a motivation. As it is, it makes no logical sense about why they're preparing to wipe us out. - Recast the boyfriend scientists and explain why Noomi Rapice's character, or anyone else, doesn't call him out for being an abusive prick towards David. Seriously, the minute I heard a significant other being that vile I'd be like "who the fuck did I get involved with?" She doesn't even bat an eye. Not very sympathetic. - I'd hire a 90 year old actor (a la Titanic) rather than put a young actor in ridiculous old age makeup. That didn't work at all for me and brought me right out of the world it had built up to that point. What I did like: - The production design and cinematography. Holy shit. I could watch them just exploring planets for three straight hours. No drama, no creatures, just exploring random fucking planets and flying through space. - David. Definitely a character worthy of the series. Took characters from 2001 and Alien and meshed them into a new character that still seemed fresh. - The Engineer. That idea could have gone bad really quickly, but I actually love the way the "space jockeys" looked underneath the mask. It was familiar, yet still alien, and pretty intimidating. - Space snakes and uterus squids. While the movie lacked one iconic alien, the creepies that were there were well done and satisfying. I'm curious what the giant squid ate that got him so big, but really the Alien in the original grew very large from... what exactly?... it may not make a ton of sense, but it's consistent with the series. - Looked amazing in IMAX. I can't say the 3D jumped out at me much, but I definitely felt sucked into that world for 2 hours.

  • Great teamwork! Granted, they could all have been put into stasis years apart, packed into the ship at a given time having never met, and unfrozen simultaneously as needed.

  • Sure, it's one of the touchstone influences for the film, but the interaction among the crew and the raucousness of the action/horror scenes should be a clue that THIS IS NOT TRYING TO BE A 2001 CLONE.

  • You know the rest.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST

    In my mind, 2001 might just be the greatest film ever made.

    by Jethro Bodine

    But loving it and Prometheus is not -- and should not be -- mutually exclusive.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    At least we now know what happened to the squid from Watchmen.

    by Royston Lodge

    Wakka wakka wakka!

  • June 11, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Will it stop making the characters act like total fucking idiots?

    by Volllllume3

    If not, I won't bother.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    that being said....

    by Jeremy

    Now that I've espoused my love of Prometheus I'll give you a few of my nitpicks, just so you know I'm not being biased. The main issue is that the screenwriters don't establish the rules of their own fiction. So the black ooze reconstitutes and rewrites DNA, okay. I buy that and the way they affect the worms makes sense. But why does the one scientist come back as a zombie? That doesn't work and flies in the face of the previously established rules. Not to mention, Shaw is impregnated with Alien DNA. Okay, fine. I love that twist and it leads to the C-section, which is one of the best scenes in the film. But why does the DNA create a "squid" and why does the "squid" infecting the Engineer create a xenomorph? And why does the xenomorph look different? There's no clear line of evolution from one to the other and that's problematic. I don't have a problem with taking off the helmet since their sensors detected breathable air. If they have the technology to create that spaceship, they should have sensors that give accurate readings and can be trusted by scientists. That being said, dr_john_zoidberg is correct, it's about faith. The last half of the film is pretty chaotic and feels more like a series of vignettes with no rules. But the first half of the film, to me, is almost perfect. Love it. I also don't mind the Captain taking one for the team. I would argue that they do set up his martyrdom with the scene he has with Shaw a few minutes earlier where he shows that he's committed to keeping the virus on the planet (out of their ship). It's a tenuous connection, sure, but it works just enough. The real problem with the end is his pilots, who haven't been established and are all too willing to die. At least have them get emotional and decide to fly the thing because dying in the explosion is better than being stranded on an alien planet.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Also think Prometheus would've benefitted hugely from a decent score

    by 6000_little_griglets

  • June 11, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST

    My theory on the 'Engineers'

    by jimmy_009

    ...One theory is that the seeding of Earth in the beginning was accidental. Obviously they'd need to fill in the blanks a bit more to really justify that belief, but it could work as a reason why the Engineers want us gone: we weren't supposed to be there in the first place. Theory: they come and scout out the planet. Looks pretty good, we'll probably come back. One guy gets left behind, opts to commit suicide, thereby accidentally contaminating the planet. When they revisit Earth they find it crawling with critters, which won't do (this is when primitive humans see them, something that's never explained in the movie). They send out the call: hey we need a cleansing on Earth, send out your team. Fortunately for us the team doesn't make it because of an accident in their holding cell. The Engineer that wakes up sees these little mistakes known as humans crawling around the ship and tries to finish what they started. Just a theory that I think fits with the events of the movie, but again, there still needs to be more in there that completely backs that up.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    @squasha, di the crew of the Solaco all know each other?

    by Jaster Mareel

    Think about it. Then decide if that's a reason to be pissed.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    All The Haters Still Talking About It

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    what does that say?? You know how long I talked about The Phantom Menace after I saw it the first time? About 10 seconds then I didn't think about it ever again until the Plinkett review

  • June 11, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    I don't even think it's a bad film

    by eric haislar

    It's 2/3 a good one. My problem is once it becomes a monster movie it forget about all of the intriguing ideas and mysteries it presented in the beginning. That's where it's failure lies. It does need to spell everything out even. But it can't forgot about them completely just so we can get cheap scares and thrills. Make up your mind you are ether thought provoking Sci Fi or a horror thriller.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST

    @totalreality

    by toxicopoulus

    You obviously can't read. I said you're band wagoners NOW. (maybe not you if you saw them originally but it certainly applies to the kids trolling here). these films weren't well received when they came out. peace

  • There certainly are things to bitch about in Prometheus (Fifield and other guy getting scared, running away, getting lost, but still communicating EXACTLY where they are to the Captain later….how did they get lost?) but the helmet thing is not one of them. If I were a scientist and my super-high tech reading device said it was okay to breathe, I'd give it a go. That's what those readings are there for. How long should they have waited? The next day when they came back and it still reads clear? That's science…experimenting, being ballsy, taking huge risks….as someone said above, its another example of Faith in Science, as the movie is big on. But I don't see them taking them off as being stupid. Once shit starting getting real, and they LEFT THEM OFF, I had an issue with that, at least give yourself some protection, but taking them off was fine. I would have done the same thing. Maybe I'm a retard, I don't know….but if I flew in hyperspace for 2+ years to get there and my machine said it was okay to not wear that big ass helmet…I'd take a chance. Sue me. I really think that is the least of Prometheus' logic problems. I still very much enjoyed the film though.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST

    no respectable gentleman...lol. Glad you enjoyed my comment.

    by Quake II

    By most mature film to date I didn't mean content as much as filmmaking style. Ridley usually edits and directs his newer films with a frenetic, chaotic style that usually bothers me. He seems focused with Prometheus and lets shots linger. Black Hawk Down, Blade Runner and Kingdom Of Heaven are more "mature" films as far as subject matter but they are not as well directed/filmed as Prometheus. Watched the first Alien twice this weekend. Still a brilliant film after all these years.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST

    I'm guessing slapping down even more hard earned money

    by atlatl

    won't make the movie make more sense. Is this what they had planned all along though?

  • June 11, 2012, 1:18 p.m. CST

    hope they explain

    by quintana007

    why david is a fucking idiot who licks on every strange fluid he finds in the galaxy. and why bitches fuck the captain and where you get an instant abortion

  • I stand by that statement. I've seen EVERY Malick film multiple times so my comment is backed up as a fan.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST

    quintana007

    by jimmy_009

    Judging by that nonsensical comment I'm guessing that no amount of explaining in the world will help you.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST

    About The Helmets

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    if you have readings of breathable air you have to take the helmets off to save your other air supply...it drastically lengthens the time you can spend on the mission if you don't have to use the air supply in your suit

  • June 11, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST

    @wrath_of_fett : 17 in Prometheus vs 90-2000 in the Sulaco

    by Squashua

    They could have taken 12 hours to say "hi".

  • June 11, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Not like the helmet protects you from FUCKING ACID anyway

    by topaz4206

  • June 11, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I have no problem with the helmet thing

    by jimmy_009

    If the air reads as clean, and you in fact believe you're being welcomed, you'd probably want to take your helmet off. Not a big deal. There are other instances where the characters act stupid, but people can actually be pretty stupid sometimes, believe it or not.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    lack of answers is actually not that big a problem..

    by The Fuck

    Well, just a bit. One big miss for me was that there was no crew bonding. They could've just stayed in the ship longer before heading out (just before dark, seemed a bit strange). David was great tho.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Ummmm....there were 2000 people in the Sulaco?

    by Jaster Mareel

    How in the fuck do you figure that shit?

  • June 11, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    @totalreality

    by toxicopoulus

    I hate to keep bringing up science fiction tropes a la 2001 but let me ask you a couple of questions? Was there any military presence aboard the Discovery One? Since the monolith essentially represented "First Contact" why weren't Poole or Bowman packing heat? Hell, there wasn't even so much as a flamethrower aboard. Was any of that "plausible" in your estimation? Do you hate the movie now because of this? peace

  • Same thing will happen with Prometheus.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Milburn was high, folks

    by angelopoulos

    They were toking it up, and that's why they acted so goofily. Which as we know, stoned people never act stupid when they are high. I think it's inferred that Fifeld was about to share.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Prometheus - now with 10% more stupid crap

    by fitzcarraldo2

    I was totally underwhelmed by this film when the credits rolled but in the last few days I've come to like it a bit more. I still think it's chock full of stupid, illogical stuff which I can't ignore but it looked good and was entertaining.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    When you go to a party you were invited to, are you armed to the teeth?

    by Jaster Mareel

    Is that the best way to make a good impression? Plus, what makes you think our weapons wouldn't do anything but make them laugh at our ineptitude anyway? This is the definition of bleeding vagina whining.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Bonding before first contact?...

    by jimmy_009

    First of all this wasn't a happy-fun mission sponsored by the governments of the world to bring the planet together in a fuzzy first contact situation. It was funded by one guy, and he DID have a crew of people who had worked together in the past. His motivation wasn't "first contact" so much as he, for selfish reasons, wanted to meet his maker. Why would he give two shits that his crew did or didn't "bond" before first contact?

  • June 11, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST

    jimmy_009

    by Jeremy

    I don't think the seeding of our planet is accidental. They basically say in Prometheus that the Engineers were terraforming. They show the expansive shots of the landscape in the beginning because it's an unspoiled land which has already been terraformed by the Engineers. In essence, it's the garden of Eden. Put there, for some purpose, by the Engineers. Following the biblical analogy I believe the Engineer we see at the beginning has been "cast out" for some reason we do not see and as a way to get back at the race that cast him out he decides to seed the planet with his DNA as a giant fuck you. That's why the Engineers want to kill humanity and start over, because we're mistakes and they feel they have the authority to wipe us out and start the planet anew. Of course, the reason for creating the garden of Eden in the first place, that is something we do not yet know.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST

    @turd

    by toxicopoulus

    The comparison is in the insipid reaction from the rabble who post here.' i guarantee that if 2001 were released today, these trolls would be blasting it as pretentious arthouse shite. peace

  • That didn't bother me in the slightest. You know what WOULD have bothered me? If they spent a trillion dollars years of their life and all of human existance leading up to this moment....and they said =Only 6 hours of light?......Naw, fuck it.= Yeah, THAT would have been fucking RETARDED!

  • June 11, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Unless its a 20 minute sex scene with Charlize Theron

    by thelordofhell

    Now that would be worth watching this pile again

  • June 11, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    I'd actually prefer it if they cut out 20 minutes.

    by Jet Jaguar

    We didn't need to see the 'Creation' scene at the very beginning, nor the scene with Noomi Rapace on Earth. Just cut straight to the Prometheus in space.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST

    toxicopoulus, AINT THAT THE FUCKING TRUTH!

    by Jaster Mareel

  • June 11, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST

    t.o.p.

    by jimmy_009

    I agree they were terraforming, but it's possible they were terraforming for -themselves-. The planet gets contaminated and other creatures start crawling around. Think about it from our point of view: if WE were terraforming a planet for us, would we want new creatures evolving there before we arrived? Even today we go out of our way not to contaminate planets and moons we visit for this very reason. Just a theory in absence of more facts.

  • fuck the workers. It mirrors the world today. Why do expect different? There was one escape pod for Weyland and his daughter, who might be a replicant. One medical machine for 'males' only. Do you think they wanted an intelligent team that would work so well together and be so tight knit that could figure out the real plan and overthrow the king? You little people that complain have a lot to learn. And the taking off of the helmets is natural for these flighty humans. Bungee jumping, fighting in wars, making food out of poisonous toxins, etc. Do you think these people are any more careful? One rebellious guy who lives life fleetingly while drinking all the time and doesn't respect artificial intelligence takes his helmet off with a risk and others sheepishly follow his lead (just like real people).

  • June 11, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Prometheus is silly, but lot's of fun visually!

    by ufoclub1977

    And I haven't changed my mind about Blade Runner since 1982. It's still flawed on the level of a working plot, and doesn't ever allow the story to go places that fill in the environment and society fully. But it is a visual and aural feast (despite the silly recurring boozy-romantic saxophone line that we used to vocally mock as kids). Blade Runner's accomplishments as visual texture and mood are incredible. And there's nothing fundamentally silly in Blade Runner like in Prometheus. As for Ridley Scott's quotes above about working with the studios with a businessman mind in order allowance to make this type of blockbuster film... how about just NOT aiming to make a blockbuster film? Fuck the audience. Make a movie selfishly and completely on your own terms even if it has to be low budget. I need to check out The Duelists.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Fassbender is quickly becoming my favorite actor.

    by Quake II

    Inglourious Basterds, Haywire, X-Men First Class, Shame, Centurian...The guy was amazing as David. Probably the most complex character in Prometheus. He was childlike, complex, evil and sympathetic all at once.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Terrence Malick's Prometheus

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Maybe make a new cut where it's just really fluid steady cam shots with very little dialogue and the plot is moved forward by Noomi Rapace voice over.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    I mostly liked it, but too have questions.....

    by Diana Prince

    Outside of general nitpicking on the minor things..... If the ancient diagrams found were indeed invitations, why send the invite to a military base instead of the home planet? Or, was it that in the image there were at least 5 planets, and they just happened to pick the one that was this location? If they picked another, would they have ended up where Shaw and David ultimately head off to in the end? The engineer going after Shaw seemed totally ridiculous and shoe horned in just to give one last burst of action. He wakes from a 2000 year sleep and immediately tries to proceed with his mission of eradicating Earth. Character tone has been set. So then when he crashes, he just gives up and goes after Shaw -- instead of immediately going to one of the other spaceships that were there and proceeding on his course. Seems totally unfounded except for the sole purpose of presenting that last scene.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Terrence Malick's Prometheus

    by SergeantStedenko

    there would've been a shit-ton more cutaways to maggots and bubbling black ooze, for sure.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Good

    by Phil Black

    I liked the film but said today it could do with another 30 mins of footage to fill in some of the blanks or at least scenes which had obviously been cut. My friends and I concluded they would hoover up cash with a theatrical version first then start going for "multiple bits of the same apple". I'm impressed then that they are going right to a Director's/Extended Cut.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Only a few of the characters were strangers

    by jimmy_009

    And Weiland was essentially using most of them like fodder to check it out for him and make sure it was safe. The idea that he even WANTS a tightly formed team or care what happens to them is counter to goal.

  • Maybe write a new screenplay from scratch? 2001 this is not. This is the emperor's new clothes idea in action. Scott really is buck-naked here, I'm afraid. I am so disappointed in this film.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Really important question to those who have seen Prometheus....

    by Christian Sylvain

    How many times is Noomi Rapace topless? 10? 15?

  • June 11, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Weird...

    by Karl Childers

    I hope the scene from the trailer where Shaw prays is in the extended cut. I don't know why, but that was one of the coolest parts from the trailer.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    lot of you are jus dumb. just ignorant.

    by andy kaufman

    It was said many times that this wasnt a alien movie, now every one is pissed that it didnt show the events that lead to Alien. its not the movie you created in your head so now you're mad. grow up dork.

  • Don't ever take a job working for Ridley Scott's production company if this is how he thinks a business should be run. ;-)

  • ...not have trained these folks to act as a cohesive unit reveals a fundamental lack of understanding how the big-people world works. There would be layers of admin, project management, security, science, etc. - Not a bunch of half-frozen strangers, waking up 2 years from Earth saying, "Oh HI! YOU must be the geologist!" Get the f**k OUT OF HERE!!!

  • June 11, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Hey guys complaining that there wasn't more team building...

    by jimmy_009

    Remember Aliens? How there was few extra people that weren't part of the normal platoon? And they didn't do bonding exercises to get Ripley or Paul Riser to really be part of the team? Great, now remember Prometheus, how there were a few extra people that weren't part of the Weiland crew? Good. Now shut the fuck up morons!

  • FORGET TYING IT TO "ALIEN". That's the first thing. Okay, so now that you've got an original sci-fi film, here is how Scott could have STILL tied it to the THEMES of "Alien" and "Blade Runner": You know the 15 or so minutes of David, the android, alone on the ship? Okay - there you go. "Prometheus" could have been about DAVID - an android, sent by scientists and a corporation, to discover what those maps mean, on the unknown planet, thinking that it could be the origin of mankind - a SECRET mission - and think of the resonance, here: a being created by mankind in their image (David) sent (for, let's say, safety reasons, in case there are dangers unknown of, or other reasons, etc.)...to possibly discover what created mankind in it's image. THAT should have been the movie (and I say this, again, having loved "Prometheus", but there's this whole other movie that could have been made and maybe should have). Think of the parallels to "Blade Runner" - Roy Batty searching for his maker, etc. And the danger could be added - still make what David FINDS on the planet be a threatening thing - that could still be possible - but part of me almost would want David to find, say, the "Engineers", and literally TALK to them - to find out the entire back story and why human beings were created - and THEN, after that, David discovers that they have the intent of WIPING HUMANITY OUT - and THEN, let's say David CALLS for the humans to come - let's say they've been nearby, taking David's reports the entire time - to take care of the threat - so HUMAN BEINGS only come in in ACT 3 - now, how that would go from there is up for speculation - but I keep going back to this change-up I thought of after seeing the movie, and seeing how strong those opening scenes were with David, alone on the ship - and going back to thinking: RIDLEY - THAT should have been your movie. P.S. I already have this story copyrighted, just in case anybody has any ideas, heh - because I'm not shy in saying that I think this alternate idea of what the movie could have been is a great one.

  • June 11, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    @obijuanmartinez

    by toxicopoulus

    Did Ripley do any training with the space marines in Aliens or did she just thaw out (much to the chagrin of the marines) as a consultant on the mission that no one had ever met? What about Burke? Did he know the team or was he just thawed out as a corporate stooge to make sure W-Y's interest were taken care of? peace

  • June 11, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    Maybe he was a marine biologist who knew little about snakes.

    by Royston Lodge

    I mean, really, is "biologist" an actual job title?

  • June 11, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    @Jimmy_009

    by toxicopoulus

    Exactly! You beat me to it. peace

  • June 11, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    Why would this upset you?

    by spookymulder

    I'd be more upset if they released the blu-ray as a theatrical cut and then came back to announce a director's cut much like what Cameron did with Avatar that I'd have to buy all over again.

  • June 11, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Saw it last nite...

    by Hunter_Rose

    ...huge disappointment.

  • June 11, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    I don't care

    by papabendi

    I didn't like Prometheus enough to see it again in any format. It felt like a tired old man trying to recapture former glories. Maybe it would make more sense to see Guy Pearce as a younger Peter Weyland, because it didn't make one bit of fucking sense to cut those scenes out of the cut I saw. Basically it meant they hired Guy Pierce to play an old man instead of hiring an old man. It was terrible make-up as well. Not one bit convincing. Pointless

  • Guess I just wanted that projected into prometheus. Makes sense that Weyland was trying to prevent that and have em expendable. They could've make do with some more witty back and forth convo's no?

  • June 11, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    You don't care. But here you are complaining about it.

    by jimmy_009

    If you didn't care you wouldn't be here.

  • June 11, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Thank God. I mean, thank the Engineers.

    by Chief Joseph

    If you haven't seen it, wait for this version.

  • June 11, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Good Interview...

    by Kained_but_Able

    Partly due to Ridders being in an uncharacteristically pleasant and talkative mood. He does seem happy with the film he made although he has been pulling the "I'm a businessman, I'd be mad to go against the studio" card in quite a few interviews now. This is a little sad to hear. The grubby fingerprints of studio interference are quite apparent on Prometheus and I think Ridley should stand up to them a bit more when it comes to his cut.

  • June 11, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Wow you saw this turd twice??

    by Steve Lamarre

    I haven't seen it yet. Just not in a rush to. I will watch it, but just once. I figure, why put myself through the frustration repeatedly? People love Alien. I love Alien. But this isn't Alien. There are no characters to love, no working class complaining, no John Hurt suddenly convulsing and dying at the dinner table, no scary shadows for the alien to lurk. There are no classic scenes to be remembered ten, twenty, thirty years from now. Oh but there's a guy who looks like Lawrence of Arabia, wtf lol.

  • June 11, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    All this garment rending over Ridley Scott saying he's a businessman ...

    by Jethro Bodine

    The guy started out making TV commercials. He's a fucking ad man as well as one of the most visually brilliant commercial (there's that word!) filmmakers. Ridley knows he has to play ball with studios to get what he wants made. He always ends up making the projects he wants to make, anyway, so maybe he's doing something right.

  • June 11, 2012, 2:20 p.m. CST

    @freeman

    by toxicopoulus

    TROLL of the month! you haven't seen it yet you're calling it a turd? Like I said upthread, a bunch of sad band wagoners. peace

  • June 11, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST

    ah well

    by james

    I enjoyed the movie and won't mind 20 more minutes if its characterization. leave the axe fight on the cutting room floor. And for those that didn't enjoy it: that truly is a shame it was not an enjoyable experience.

  • June 11, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST

    My thoughts

    by eric haislar

    I saw Don's watching of Megan's tape as his recognition that she is a really good actress, and that their marriage as holding her back, or if she got that break, she would never be the wife that he needed (yes, the stay at home gorgeous one). So he walked off the stage, and figuratively out of her life, and in the process restarted his as, well Don Draper. His story line WITH Megan, is quite limited, it simply has to be expanded. And as it was pointed out, Don likes the "beginnings of things".

  • The scientists act like the fodder of a cheap slasher fick sequal and people here are calling the movie a masterpiece? How is it that the scientist who was in charge of the map droids seems to be the one who gets lost? Their air supply seemed to last a LOT longer than our hero's will in the end of the movie ( thats added "drama" for our benefit) Why were the lost scientist afaid of a life sign one minute and then after they return to the area they were so afraid of they tried to leave the site ( the "head" room ) they wanna pet the cobra like it was a puppy? Guess that character development was left on the cutting room floor. When they are found dead, no one cared to haul them back to the ship to see what killed them? I guess autopsys are for alien heads on this trip. Not one of the scientists seemed to know or care about quarantine procedures when dealing with alien material ever. Strange air that might have dangerous spore, bacteria, alien compounds unknown to us...sounds safe to them. weird alien head that we can frankenstein back to life with a electric ice pick...sure who needs a mask. Dead scientist we left back in the ruin now at our back door..let him in. And don't even get me started on the magic goo that seems to do what ever this "plot" called for, like some late night info-mercial mirracle drug...It can seed life, it can grow worms in your eyes, it can make you a zombie monster, it's sexually transmited, it can grow squid in your dead womb....ACT NOW before it's to late

  • ...Ripley was a hands-off consultant. She in NO way interfered with the conerence / cohesion of Apone's Marines. (Have you in fact SEEN "Aliens"?)

  • June 11, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    jimmy_009

    by Jeremy

    No, I agree with what you're saying about why the Engineers would want to eradicate us. They're terraforming Earth for themselves and we infected it with humanity so they want to start from scratch again. I took away that our birth wasn't accidental though. It maybe wasn't part of the plan but I assume that the Engineer we see in the beginning seeded the planet to get back at the others who left him/ cast him out. Like you, I have no real evidence and could be completely wrong, just saying that's how I interpreted it. It fits into the overall theological ties the film creates. Garden of Evil, Satan, Prometheus (stealing fire from the Gods to give to humans and then being cast out of heaven for his crimes), etc. It all fits. You can even go back to Chariots of the Gods, which I would bet money was an inspiration for this story in many ways. In that book the theory is floated that aliens created humanity but one side believed that humans should have freedom and the other side wanted us simply as slave labor. Some of the aliens were actually fighting for our liberation. Taking all of those stories into consideration, I think the background that is only mildly alluded to in Prometheus takes on more shape and clarity and it's intriguing to think that perhaps in the world of Prometheus there are Engineers who may want to protect humanity. Either way, accident or intention, it's still interesting to me, which is one of the reasons I enjoyed the film overall.

  • June 11, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Ha wrong talk back

    by eric haislar

    To many windows open.

  • The holographic cube with images of the girl playing violin, African face paint and other "Earth stuff" - David would ask the cube if it had made contact and it replied no. Were they just putting all that info out there into the airwaves in case the Engineers were monitoring and they wanted them to get a snapshot of humankind?

  • June 11, 2012, 2:38 p.m. CST

    obijuanmartinez

    by toxicopoulus

    Burke knew Gorman but he didn't know or interact with any of the marines or Apone. Ripley was supposed to be hands-off consultant but any one who was briefed with her past experiences would have wanted her more integrated with the marines if I am to follow your logic about how no one knew anyone in Prometheus (which is incorrect btw). try again peace

  • June 11, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST

    inept Prometheus team

    by Jeremy

    the inept team is illogical but somehow fits into the universe. One thing I've always found curious about the Alien franchise (for the most part it really only applies to Aliens, I suppose) is the need for the Weyland company to hide it's intentions. Why even send out a company of soldiers or scientists who know nothing of the true intentions of the mission? Is it really that hard to find a bunch of capable mercenaries who'll do anything for some cash to go out into space with the express purpose of capturing the xenomorph? Sure, Aliens would have been a less terrifying and interesting movie, but Weyland probably would've gotten his biological weapon. It seems logical to me that at some point they would just decide to stop being misleading and simply send out a top secret team who know exactly what they're doing and exactly how to do it.

  • June 11, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    paulmkelly:

    by chris

    Yes. Presumably they were sending out a signal to get their attention. Protocol.

  • June 11, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Extended 20 minutes reveals

    by Fridge

    There was actually an electrical failure on Prometheus and they all died in stasis before they even made it to the planet. It's all just Shaw's fevered death dream as she makes her way through Purgatory. There's a dog at the end.

  • June 11, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST

    @obijuanmartinez

    by toxicopoulus

    and another thing. Gorman wasn't even really a part of the team. Remember when he gets sick during transport to LV-426 and he states that he's never done a low-orbital drop before; just simulations? have you seen Aliens? just messing with ya but really you have about as much chance of stumping me on anything Alien related as you do in coming up with a more creative handle. :) peace

  • Think about that statement before you say this movie is a masterpiece.

  • June 11, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Even Drew thinks it's no 2001 more like 2010.

    by eric haislar

    http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/prometheus-second-look-digging-deep-into-spoilers-and-questions

  • June 11, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    @eric

    by toxicopoulus

    I haven't seen anyone comparing it to 2001. The only comparison is in how they were both received as relatively serious science fiction. and on that count Prometheus wins as 2001 was derided as incomprehensible and pretentioius when it came out and Prometheus has a solid 7 out of 10 consensus; despite what you might think from reading the ignorant children posting here. peace

  • June 11, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    @eric

    by toxicopoulus

    ....oh and there aint nothing wrong with 2010

  • June 11, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Sweet.

    by Stripey

    I'm in. Only saw it last week, but absence makes the heart grow fonder. Engineery-facehuggery punchup and the opening set piece would be worth the price of the shells alone.

  • June 11, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST

    fucking loved the film - can't wait for an extended cut

    by Jeremy Jurgens

    Certain things smelled of studio tinkering, and I could tell within a half hour of the film that a longer cut was out there. Can't wait to see it, and can't wait for the sequel.

  • June 11, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST

    When David played with the Engineer's flute

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I expected Umpa Lumpas to appear.

  • June 11, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Can the extra 20 mins please be David watching Alien.

    by Judd nelson

    If only he'd done that instead of watching Lawrence of Arabia then he never would've landed on that planet and he'd have spared us the garbage that followed.

  • June 11, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST

    toxicopoulus

    by eric haislar

    I like 2010. But it's no 2001.

  • Prometheus crashed, and everyone aboard was killed and in purgatory the whole time.....

  • June 11, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Finally, we ge the Dr. Who movie everyone wanted...

    by zinc_chameleon

    and all anyone does is complain. The Space Jesus thing is a 70's concept; it was the central idea behind 'Prince of Darkness' in 1987. Old idea, but still fun enough to get people talking.

  • June 11, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST

    BEEP BEEP BEEP Ridley Scott reversing.

    by Fortunesfool

  • June 11, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Helmets...

    by buddha747

    Someone said that it was Shaw testing her faith, but Shaw wasn't the one to take her helmet off first, her partner in crime was and she told him not to. As for saving air, that is just silly, yes that is why they wrote that scene in there...come on. Breathable air or not, as scientists, i am still amazed they would challenge the possibility of an alien disease or gas or something that could be in that air that could harm them. There are several gasses here on earth that we cannot see, smell or taste that if allowed to escape into the atmosphere in high levels could kill us. Also the petting scene also kills me. Let's face it...would you pet a cobra...didn't think so. One of the first rules when coming in contact with an unfamiliar species is to observe from a safe distance until you can determine how violent it may or may not be. Did Jane Goodall just jump in the middle of a family of gorillas and try to pet one...HELL NO!!!!!

  • just one good character interaction or believable dialogue without screaming "plot too complicated for you." We all have a right to an opinion calling yourself intelligent cause you "got" Prometheus is laughable. Bring on the extended cut. Can't be worse.

  • June 11, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST

    It's a movie for Chrissakes...

    by MoPea

    what were you expecting - the Bible? Oh ya, that has crazy acting characters and huge plot holes too.

  • Shit man, how about WATCH WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE GUYS YOU LOST WHO HAVE CAMERAS ON THEIR HEADS AND ARE BROADCASTING. You spend TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS, how hard is it to have a couple extra GB of data storage 100 years from now?

  • June 11, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Protocol

    by Casas_enterprises

    What's odd is that sending radio messages before landing was just about the only protocol they followed. Adding scenes like that would have made the movie more believable and lengthened the pacing. I remember in Aliens when the troops first surveyed the entrance to the base and entered carefully. A lot of silence and darkness in those scenes. Here we have a group of scientists who basically just lurch into the temple and never bothered with their own safety. I've known academics and can tell you that few would exhibit the daring of this group. Scientists would have surveyed the outside of that temple for days (weeks?), and perhaps shot those drone balls inside the temple before stepping inside. When disbelief is no longer suspended, and falls to the ground, I detach from the movie. It becomes more of an observational exercise.

  • The situation: Burke's the #1 company guy, and the military (by necessity) runs on chain of command. It is in Burke's interest to have a green-horn as his C.O. to better shoe-horn his agenda, and to ensure compliance (theoretically) from the troops; obviously, Burke froze, and Ripley took action, etc., but from an organizational standpoint (even for a spur-of-the-moment rescue mission to LV-426), the organizational structure was sound enough, and had the checks & balances afforded via the military chain of command. As to Ripley's consultant role, it seemed the Marines half-believed her account from the Nostromo, and likely thought themselves more than a match for whatever awaited them. They clearly didn't eagerly embrace her expertise (much less dignify it) until the s**t hit the fan underneath the atmosphere processor...

  • But no, let's chat about other things instead. Communication is KEY, kids!

  • June 11, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    zeromutt, I'll try to answer your queries

    by Jaster Mareel

    1) I don't remember him getting lost, but he clearly did not have a map after he left the group. 2) I don't even know what you're talking about at this point. The two scientists that stayed behind died pretty quickly so how is it demonstated that they have more air supply? 3) They didn't want to be near the pile of dead bodies with the strange sounds. As for why the guy tried to pet the cobra thing, he was an exo-biologist seeing the first alien life ever and it seemed fairlynon-lethal at the time. Plus I'm sure Ridley thought it was kind of darkly humorous. 4) The first guy isn't found dead, he's fucked up and killing people! The second guy is found dead and it's pretty obvious the snake killed him, by evidence of the...snake coming out of his fucking mouth. hey man, the next time you do a sci fi film, stop the film every 5 minutes for an autopsey so we can all get told what we already know. That speeds the plot right along! 5) Guess you were in teh bathroom when Vickers was threatening them with a flame thrower to keep Holloway off the ship because he was contaminated. And by the way, they didn't know that guy was dead, just that his camera turned on right outside the door. What were they supposed to do, say =aw, fuck it= and leave him out there? 6) The space goo is shown to alter DNA. That's it. That's all. That one fucking thing. Try to keep up next time you watch it....and you WILL watch it again, probably many times.

  • I'm off to watch Hot Fuzz.

  • Geologist and mapping export. WHO IS THE ONE WHO GETS LOST IN THE CAVE.

  • June 11, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Must see it again

    by thot

    It's not too often we get intelligent, thought provoking sci-fi. Prometheus was just that. Not very many films leave me wanting to see it again. This one does. Thank you, Ridley, for assuming your audience has a brain, (and a soul).

  • June 11, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Correction: Gorman froze...carry on (my bad)

    by obijuanmartinez

  • UGH.

  • June 11, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Did you guys see a different film than me?

    by Winston Smith

    The problem with Prometheus wasn't dumb shit like "why did they take their helmets off?" They explain that, plus suspension of disbelief. Get over yourselves. The real problem was the terrible characterizations. Namely, scientists just DON'T ACT like they did in Prometheus. The geologist character was especially bad. Why did they bring him if he didn't even give a fuck? They certainly coulda found someone else. I love that line when they're lost and he's like, "it all looks the same to me." What??? You're a fucking geologist, you should be able to recognize subtle differences in rocks, let alone moving around a clearly designed stone chamber. And Holloway, acting all disappointed. They GOT TO THE ALIEN PLANET, they FOUND SOMETHING, they found LIFE in it... right there, that's exactly what anyone could have ever hoped for, even with their thesis. To be disappointed all of a sudden made him feel like a 14 year old fanboy and not a living, breathing scientist. And, the other big problem with Prometheus - much like Lost's last season - is there WAS no mystery. Right in the first 5 minutes they set up that they think the engineers (who as an audience we've already seen) created us. Plotwise, we know that from the get go. There's no twists to this, no expansion, nothing. As a screenplay Prometheus was a big nothing, and the trailer literally did have all the big moments in it. Besides the script I thought the film was wonderfully made, but there's no way around it, on the page we had a bunch of underdevloped cliche characters who weren't even consistent with their cliches, and we had only a sense of mystery rather than any actual mystery.

  • June 11, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST

    @obijuanmartinez

    by toxicopoulus

    ...yeah, it was gorman. I actually never bought that no one believed Ripley....except Burke and we know why he believed her. But obviously these marines had encountered extra-terrestrials before. They even refer to it as another "bug hunt".

  • June 11, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST

    MY REASON WHY EVERYONE ACTED LIKE IDIOTS: Space Madness

    by Squashua

    They were in hypersleep too long and went nuts.

  • June 11, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Wow, freeman, way to take all the complainers' word as gospel

    by kidicarus

    "It doesn't have this, it doesn't have that" See it for yourself you dolt!

  • June 11, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST

    To the guys who hate the idea of Ridley adding to this movie...

    by Blue_Demon

    Here's an idea. Don't buy it. There...problem solved your problem. Quit whining and go back to your Firefly DVDs. As for me...Bring it on, Sir Ridley! I loved this movie! I cannot wait for the sequel. Oh...somebody said up in the talkbacks that Weyland Corp. now has to account for a trillion dollar loss. Maybe that is why they had to merge with Yutani? Just a thought.

  • June 11, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Wn

    by Dick

  • June 11, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Again...this has a 74% rating on the tomatometer

    by Jaster Mareel

    All these bleeding anuses are restricted to this website.

  • June 11, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST

    FUCK!

    by Blue_Demon

    "Problem solved your problem" should read, "There...I solved your problem." Harry...edit button. For the love of Cthulhu, please!

  • But in Prometheus, you think that's completely irrational behavior. Just an observation.

  • June 11, 2012, 3:38 p.m. CST

    aye wrath_of_fett...

    by foree forehead

    ...74% it's a C.

  • June 11, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Why are people pretending this movie...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...wasn't filled with action sequences? Most of the defenses of this film I've seen really do no defending of the film at all. They launch an ad hominem attack on people who didn't like the film that goes something like this: 'The people who didn't like this movie don't like to think, like answers spoonfed to them and were wanting a bunch of action.' Attacking people who didn't like the thing you like is not the same as defending something you like. And if you have good reasons for liking it you should be able to defend it. Well, as far as I can tell this movie sold out almost everything for rather idiotically conceived action and laid over it the most generic, feel good message about faith imaginable. By the way, some of those action scenes looked pretty good. I especially liked the storm. But if you were to sit down and time this film I think you'd find that the action set pieces comprise a very large part of its running time. So let's not pretend that it was a dearth of action that made people dislike the movie. Now are there some answers I would like? Yes. Here's just one: I would like to know why an obviously highly advanced lifeform, that the film implies may have been responsible for mankind's creation, when awakened from a two thousand year slumber, chose not just to savagely attack those who woke him but to attack them in the way a gorilla would. Seriously, if you're going to have the super advanced alien engineer guy choose murder wrestling as his first post-hypersleep activity, yes, I fucking would like some sort of explanation. And hey, I can make up bunches of them. Here's a better one than most of the ones tossed out by defenders: Whatever killed his buddies was also killing him, he'd gone to sleep for very much the same reason Weyland had, and on being awakened he: killed his visitors to keep the disease from spreading further (and was thwarted by Noomi, who is probably now taking hot death back to the engineers' home planet). And he killed them in the bestial fashion he did because he knew he didn't have much time before whatever got his buddies got him, too. That's a pretty neat explanation, fits what little evidence we do have and sure I can sit back and say that's what happened. And it's bullshit. When you're telling a story you can leave a lot of things murky. You can choose not to answer a whole series of questions. Why did the birds attack Bodega Bay? Why did the zombies rise from their graves that night of the living dead? But the questions you don't answer must not be mechanical plot questions. You most certainly can choose not to overtly answer, say, why Roy Batty didn't kill Harrison Ford (though in fact the movie, with its final shots, pretty much does tell you)... ...but mechanical plot questions, such as why did the super advanced life form decide to go Randy Macho Man Savage on his visitors as opposed to acting in any way different than an angry bear...yeah, that's the kind of question you need to answer. Because otherwise you make the viewer just make up something, like I did above, not really suggested by context and created far more from what I know about other stories and how narrative fiction works than anything this movie gave me. And this movie is filled with exactly this kind of questions. From the biologist who decides to act like a stoner to the geologist who decides (and is allowed) to go wondering off because he studies rocks, not alien heads, this film is filled not with philosophical questions but with mechanical questions. Mechanical questions need to be answered. In competently made films characterization answers these sort of questions. Action scenes? Oh yeah, there were plenty of those. Zombie monster guy, check. Guy yelling kill me? Check. Space ships crashing into each other? Check. Bigfoot Alien tearing off heads? Check. Squishy squid baby growing into giant squid and grabbing Nemo Alien to give him a kiss? Check. Face dissolving, worm eating good times? Check. Chick race from an intergalactic Goodyear? Check. Don't pretend that people who didn't like this film wanted action. That's all this film delivered on.

  • June 11, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    come on fett

    by JAMF

    if it had 14% you'd be saying "fuck the hack critics!" also, how many fucking prometheus talkbacks?? space jesus christ! cheques in the mail harry?

  • are you fucking kidding!? no one is going to watch extended Narnia either! Has Damon Lindelof moved to the Andes and named his kids Phoenix and Joaquin yet? Will his followers drink poison frappuccinos at the end? Fuck Ridley Scott and fuck California!

  • and then when it gets to the part where David is watching Lawrence of Arabia, turn off Prometheus, watch Lawrence of Arabia, then put Prometheus back on and resume the film? It will be like a five hour endeavor, but I think I might do that. Now where the hell is a Blu-ray of Lawrence of Arabia?

  • June 11, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Why the woken Engineer attacked the humans - an explanation.

    by Squashua

    2000 years ago, the engineers had been about to deliver bio agents to revert earth. Likely killing all humans. There was some big disaster 2000 years ago on the engineer world, preventing this. The engineer, who had been sleeping, recognized these people were humans. So he attacked them - the enemy.

  • June 11, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    jrkerr, you know this film was made in the UK right?

    by Jaster Mareel

    Fuck California? What a bizarre complaint about a movie.

  • June 11, 2012, 3:49 p.m. CST

    It lost to "Madagascar 3'...

    by obijuanmartinez

  • The next in line is AVP with $38M. ALIENS was $10M. The fact that Madagascar was the first family film of the summer made it a big hit. I'm sure you feel like you've made some sort of point, so hooray for you.

  • June 11, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST

    squashua...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...thank you for making my point so eloquently.

  • And if you have been asleep 2,000 years and then get woken up by humans. Do you immediately decide to kill them all? Is there no part of the highly evolved engineer which feels inclinced to give the humans at least 5 minutes to make a case for their survival. He just wakes up and decides to kill them all and then get in his ship and wipe out the species. If I slept 2,000 years I might be inclinded to spend a little time aclimatising myself with the changes and maybe contacting my home world to see if things had changed.

  • June 11, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Does he really think....

    by paint163

    Anybody wants to watch 20 mins more of that shitty movie??

  • June 11, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Holy shit he is 75?

    by eric haislar

    Wow he looks great for his age.

  • June 11, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Beaten by Madagascar 3...lol

    by paint163

  • June 11, 2012, 4:07 p.m. CST

    That "stinker" got no worse than average reviews

    by jimmy_009

    Please, understand what a "stinker" really is. Some of you act like this is the latest Uwe Boll epic. Get some perspective, losers. Just because it's not a masterpiece and has some problems doesn't make it a "stinker". For one thing it's highly entertaining, regardless of story problems. For another it's and R rated movie that's doing pretty well financially, and the user grades I've seen are better than the critic's reviews, which weren't that terrible to begin with. Quit being such drama queens.

  • June 11, 2012, 4:08 p.m. CST

    paint163. Yes. I know I do.

    by jimmy_009

    I could watch another hour of just them exploring and flying around in that awesome ship, with those amazing effects.

  • June 11, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST

    You know who should have played Weyland? Christopher Lee

    by rev_skarekroe

    Man, that would've been freaking cool.

  • June 11, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST

    @obijuanmartinez

    by toxicopoulus

    of course it lost to madagascar 3. That's a PG rated family friendly follow up to a beloved franchise. Not a challenging R rated genre film. People with kids were probably drooling over M3 because it's a flick they could take their mewling kids to and get them to shut up for a couple of hours without hating their life. This contributes to much of Pixar's success as well. They make movies that the kids like but that the parents get something out of as well; it's a win win strategy for counting money. ...something like Prometheus? not so much; i'm surprised it did as well as it did. Scott's 2 previous sci-fi films never performed this well; only gaining their money on home sales and revisits over the long haul. the box office on Blade Runner was atrocious. peace

  • June 11, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST

    I hear you, jimmy_009

    by rev_skarekroe

    Reading the comments on this site about movies like Prometheus or Thor or Star Trek, people act like they're the worst movies of all time. As though they've never seen Manos or The Room or Plan 9. It's mind boggling.

  • June 11, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST

    dirtfishuk...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...an early crime would have been self awareness, a conscious understanding of our own mortality. But that would have come a lot earlier than two thousand years. Two thousand sounds pretty much like what Ridley said in the interview, which is just howlingly stupid. They were right to take it out but clearly the two thousand year bit stayed. Once again, in my theoretical the Bumble Alien Engineer would have had to kill the humans right away. He woulden't have had much time before succumbing to what killed his mates and he couldn't afford to let any of them escape. It even explains the affectionate headrub Fassy gets before his head gets popped off. Big Baldytop doesn't hate us, he's proud of us, we made it all the way out to Fhloston Paradise, made a robot grandson for him and even taught him how to speak in Yiddish for grandpa. He had to kill everybody. And fast. He was the alien stringer bell, but because he wasn't fast enough Noomi's going to make his species go extinct. But whichever way it goes, it doesn't matter. Does mine make more sense than the widely believed one? Yeah, it matches the actions better. But either way its bullshit and the movie was bullshit by not making these sort of mechanical plot elements more clear.

  • June 11, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Studio interference

    by Fixxxer

    It seems to me that fans here and on other sites are always badmouthing Fox and Tom Rothman, yet I see them taking no blame for anything in PROMETHEUS. The entire Fifield/Milburn subplot feels like a concession to the studio. I can easily picture executives reading the script and saying, "There's no action for 30 minutes. We need at least two more scares in the middle section of the movie." The Fifield/Milburn stuff feels like a hasty solution to the "problem." (Think about it -- would the plot be fundamentally different without Fifield and Milburn, without discovering the "snake" in the temple, and without the "zombie" attack in the cargo hold?) There are plenty of valid criticisms of PROMETHEUS expressed here and elsewhere, but one that rings false involves the medpod. Many say it makes no sense that the medpod is calibrated for a male patient, seeing as it was in Vickers' quarters. I thought it was pretty obvious at that point that the medpod was intended for Peter Weyland's use -- and lo and behold, there he is on screen, just after Shaw finishes her operation.

  • June 11, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST

    We should have a Moonrise Kingdom talkback...

    by rev_skarekroe

    ...and see if people gloat that it too was beaten by Madagascar. Surely the better film always wins at the box office!

  • June 11, 2012, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Did anyone else notice the movie David is watching is also in 3D?

    by paulmkelly

    That's perhaps the most disturbing detail - in the future, all movies will be converted to 3D!

  • June 11, 2012, 4:20 p.m. CST

    rev_skarekroe...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...return on investment. The three movies you mentioned, combined, cost less than one day's trailer rental for this movie. In terms of entertainment value per dollar spent on production there are a lot of bad old movies I'd stack up against this movie. Though not The Room or Manos. Plan 9 From Outer Space, though? It makes me laugh a lot.

  • June 11, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Um...the medical tube was obviously Peter Weyland's...

    by jimmy_009

    Anyone that didn't get that the very instant it says it was optimized for a man is truly clueless. As soon as I saw David talking to "someone" getting instructions I knew he was on board. Seriously, pay attention.

  • Howdy kids! Just flew in for some more Prometheus fan-wanking. <P> Now, when trying to decode this movie, please remember that Peter Weyland is a first-class psychotic who gave fuck-all about Shaw, Holloway, and all other living beings. He only wanted the secrets of immortality for himself, period. So, no, this is not at all the group you’d expect for making first contact- if it were an open mission. So secretive is Weyland, I doubt anyone an Earth even knows anything at all about this mission except at the very top levels of the corporation. <P> The reasons they took off their helmets, is the same reason that Millburn, the Xenobiologist, went to pet the hissing penis monster, which is the same reason that they all rushed off the ship to the temple as soon as they landed: ALL of these impulses- perhaps even the idea that it was “Christmas” and that “presents” needed to be opened- were implanted by David during cryo-sleep. <P>I am sure that if David was watching all of their dreams, he and Weyland were also messing with their minds and looking for ways to manipulate this portion of the crew into serving their true function: as a first wave of potential test-subjects. I think everyone on the first away team was intended by Weyland as a guinea pig to, at first, test the location for pathogens, booby-traps, hostile creatures, etc… <P>Also why Fifield and Millburn did not get lost, but instead were directed, perhaps through subliminal suggestion, to tell everyone they were going back to the ship, but instead go looking for treasure, ultimately returning themselves to the site identified by David as most likely for an “encounter.” <P>OK, you might think I’m reaching here, but is this not consistent with the corporate MO shown in all of the other Alien films? Lead unsuspecting test subjects to hostile alien life forms, study results from a safe distance, rinse and repeat.... <P>Once bio-pathogens were discovered, Weyland wasted no time in instructing David to begin experimenting on human subjects- Holloway, with his alternative views was singled out for the first drop. Holloway’s impulse to then have sex with Shaw was, of course, natural, owing to their love, but was also perhaps pre-suggested by David during cryo-hypnosis. <P> BTW, Weyland looks like a young guy in cheesy old guy makeup, because that is the appearance you get after 80+ years of plastic surgery, nanotech neutraceutical treatments, years in cryo-sleep, etc., among other attempts to extend his life span. No doubt we’ll be seeing a young Weyland/Guy Pierces in the sequel, because I’m sure he left behind several copies. <P> The engineers are a genetic match to humans, but in an idealized form- Adonis-like beings whose genetic code is fully actualized to be as perfect as this particular code can be. (Kind of like dogs can take on many different appearances via selected breeding, but are essentially genetically identical to wolves in their original form.) Obviously, this includes an enhanced physicality as well as a high-level of cognitive ability. However, they, and we, ultimately may have only been engineered by the true “makers” to serve as operatives and/or hosts for birthing the Xenomorphs- as one interpretation of the alien queen statue in the temple implies. <P> The black goo represents the raw force of biological transmutation and can be programmed to do different things, but mainly acts as a catalyst for the creation of different life-firms that, again, may merely serve as a potential hosts for the next-stage life-form. <P> I think that Fifield was affected the way he was- being turned into some kind of zombie monster- because he was a replicant (surely, I’m not the only one sees this). Thus, he was not a suitable host for the Xenomorph or any of the human-xeno symbiotic life-stages. <P> It’s unclear why the 2,000-year-old Engineer reacted the way he did when he was awoken. Clearly, after sizing up the situation, he realized that he was in the presence of hostile, selfish creatures, what with Weyland threatening to have Shaw shot and then having David asking for immortality. The Engineer likely decapitated David, because he knew that this would incapacitate his body but preserve his CPU for further study. Seeing hostile intent, or that this was a bioweapons facility, may have merely been paranoid misinterpretations by Shaw and Janek- whereas the engineers may have only felt ambivalence- neither hating nor loving us anymore than a butcher feels for a pig it’s “bringing to market.” <P> About “just run left or right!” Come one, is that the best you got? That scene was spectacular and exploding shit was falling to the left and the right, too, not to mention that the ship looks to be at least ten stories high laying down. <P> All-in-all, the bulk of the events in this film take place within about a 24-hour period. As none of them really have any idea what Weyland’s true intentions for them and himself are, or to what degree their minds have all been manipulated, and considering how things are spiraling out of anyone’s control so rapidly, it’s understandable that not every decision here seems to be logical. In your world, when people are under duress, do they do everything perfect and logically? Again, only Shaw, Holloway, Janek, Chase and Ravel prove themselves to be human by their split-second willingness to sacrifice themselves for all humanity. <P> Back to the beginning: what occurs seems to be a religious rite of self-sacrifice. Whether directed by the ship above or the renegade act of an individual (the real Prometheus) is unclear. Ultimately, I think it all serves a “higher purpose,” and that the engineers were not the apex of evolution, but rather, like us, programmed bio-mechanical beings serving a still higher power (as in “Childhood’s End”). <P> Look forward to finding out. I say, bring on the extra 20-30 minutes, deleted scenes, more lost viral videos, and, above all, the sequels!

  • June 11, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST

    red ned lynch, you are more than welcome...

    by jimmy_009

    ...to "enjoy" those movies. I'll be over here, watching some of the most amazing space exploration shots ever filmed. Dumb ass.

  • June 11, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST

    This film was arse because revery single beat was predictable

    by papabendi

    from it's basic premis to it's delivery. From the Robot having an agenda, to the stupid fucking ending. Every single beat was predictable. No surpises, no big ideas, nothing new. They've made a film without any spark.

  • June 11, 2012, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Thank you, jimmy_009.

    by Fixxxer

    Seriously.

  • June 11, 2012, 4:28 p.m. CST

    jimmy_009...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...what movie are you going to be watching?

  • June 11, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST

    andromedus

    by jimmy_009

    Um... so it cost $200 million and it makes $300 million and you don't think a $100 milllion profit that would be a good investment? Do you understand how math works? Please, just stop. Some of you should really step back and get a clear perspective. If this movie, this RATED R movie makes $300 million (and I'm not saying it will, but if it did) that would be a resounding success.

  • June 11, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST

    From Variety...

    by jimmy_009

    Which leads with "'Madagascar,' 'Prometheus' triumph at B.O."....It's made 200 million U.S. and international...It made more about $25 million more than Super 8 did this time last year, and with an R rating. IMAX scored a June record with Prometheus. "Playability should be solid for both new entries, as they each received strong critical responses."...""Prometheus," which skewed mostly toward over-25 males, received an overall B. The sci-fier was given an A- rating from under-25 auds, which accounted for 36% of its opening." Yeah it's a real stinker. Get some perspective.

  • June 11, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Umm...

    by fzammetti

    "And if you have been asleep 2,000 years and then get woken up by humans. Do you immediately decide to kill them all? Is there no part of the highly evolved engineer which feels inclinced to give the humans at least 5 minutes to make a case for their survival. He just wakes up and decides to kill them all and then get in his ship and wipe out the species. If I slept 2,000 years I might be inclinded to spend a little time aclimatising myself with the changes and maybe contacting my home world to see if things had changed." Really? This is the kind of stuff I've been seeing. There REALLY is a lack of thought about this movie out there because while there's most definitely some plot holes and some "ugh" moments, most of the bigger ones are actually very explainable, this being one of them. Follow the bouncing ball... ...you're a highly evolved alien species. You create life on Earth. One of two things is true: either (a) it doesn't go as you expect, or (b) it was an accident (I personally like the accident theory, but it's debatable either way). So, you decide to wipe out the life you created. You're on your way to do so, shit hits the fan, and you can't. Most of your people are killed and you decide "screw this, hypersleep for me!" Now, 2,000 years later, you get woken up... probably not in the best of moods having missed all those seasons of Friends and whatnot... there's a bunch of insects around you, babbling, wanting to know the secret of eternal life and some such. Oh yeah, wait, these guys look familiar... oh yeah, they are the ones we were going to wipe out! Woo-hoo, saves me some travel time! Start killin' all the humans, because, fuck it, why not? And guess what: you STILL have to get to Earth to wipe the rest of those fuckers out... hey, maybe some of your not-dead buddies pulled it off already, but let's get in the ship and go find out. Remember, your mission was to kill all the humans, just like Bender said. Why would you suddenly change your mind after being rudely awakened from a nice nap just because THESE particular humans MIGHT talk nice to you? Why would you even give them the chance? If you wanted them all dead 2,000 years ago, if it was a good idea then, you wouldn't just spur-of-the-moment change your damned mind! In fact, it would have been a HUGE problem if you did in terms of the movie! Not to mention it having been a more boring resolution. You seem to want to assume that the Engineers are somehow benign... but look at it this way: suicide is a violent act. Committing suicide as the catalyst for seeding life on a planet is STILL a violent act... which is why I for one don't believe it was done on purpose... ...in fact, my own theory is that it isn't the human race that is supposed to be akin to Prometheus in the mythological sense but the Engineers! The saucer ship in the beginning I suspect WAS NOT an Engineer ship... I bet this one Engineer is the one that "stole fire from the Gods", in this case, the black goo... he winds up on Earth while running from them, decides to down the shit, maybe thinking he gets turned into a true God or something... the saucer dudes see that and go "hey, if that jackass wants to down that shit, let 'em have at it", which is why they start bugging out as he's drinking the stuff. Obviously it don't go so well for Mr. Black Goo Thief... which ACCIDENTALLY seeds life on Earth... ...which adds to the motivation of the other Engineers to wipe out humans: if they were created from Engineer DNA then they might eventually rival the Engineers, and they can't have that. Sure, that's speculation, but what's NOT speculation is that it makes perfect sense regardless that the surviving Engineer would be so hostile. It would have been STUPID in the narrative of the movie if he WASN'T in fact.

  • June 11, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST

    fuck you

    by rlong

    i paid to see this pos at the cinema and now i have to shell out for this on blue ray to see if the film is any better?no chance.you have fucked me in my sweet cheeks to many times fox.download or pirate from the market.burn in hell.mediocre piece of dissapointing shit,

  • June 11, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST

    please stop and think...

    by Jeremy

  • There is nothing to see twice here. Its jesus, so don't give it any more money.

  • June 11, 2012, 5 p.m. CST

    great, fucking amazing movie, suck it Promethehaters..

    by quantize

  • June 11, 2012, 5:02 p.m. CST

    The star map scene is pretty...

    by FluffyUnbound

    ...but they couldn't have identified the Engineer planet / moon based on the information they had from their 'ancient man' sources. That's one of the more annoying things about the film. 'Look! 3 stars next to each other!' That only matches about 100 billion places in the Milky Way alone. Wow, thanks for narrowing it down.

  • June 11, 2012, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Let's hope the "extended" footage...

    by Mazzer

    ...gives us something to see that wasn't in the spoilery fucking trailers! No doubt we'll get new trailers for the Blu-ray so they can spoil those bits too.

  • It will probably end up around $300M - $350M worldwide. And I believe I heard that it cost around $200M. I don't know if that includes marketing. Let me just clear up that the film's budget includes all salaries of the cast and crew. The marketing budget not only accounts for trailers, TV spot, print, etc., but also the cost of making those thousands of prints and shipping them around the world. Andromedus is correct that studios only recoup about 55% of ticket sales. Let's lowball it and say Prometheus cost $150 to make and $50M to market. I'm sure it was much more than that, but just for the sake of discussion. That means the film has to make nearly $400M worldwide before it starts to turn a profit and that's just not going to happen. Put it this way, I'll be stunned if it does. Fox will still make plenty of money off it with ancillary markets like cable and home video, but it's not the kinock-out puch I'm sure they were hoping for. ALIEN made a lot of money for several reasons, but a big one was that it had the first female protagonist. Also it was a completely different way to look at space travel and of course, came hot on the heels of Star Wars. I think Prometheus' demographics are just too restricting for it to be a huge blockbuster. I'm not faulting the film for that by the way, I'm applauding it. It's just too bad we probably won't get that second film. If it had opened to $65-$70M, things would be very different.

  • June 11, 2012, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Robots are A-B-C-D...

    by GeorgieBoy

    Alien = Ash Aliens = Bishop Alien Resurrection = Call Prometheus = David I guess the next movie will have a robot named "Eric" or something.

  • I was able to follow the plot, including the leaps of logic. The major plot holes were harder to get over. A trained mission specialist wouldn't talk to an unknown alien life form like is was his pet gerbil and try to calm it down with human gestures. Surely in the ALIEN universe they have their own sci-fi horror movie cliche's and know you RUN in situtations like that. The other plot hole is even harder to deal with. The crew had light arms and were willing to use them. Weyland had to know and approve of having weapons for defense, yet he didn't arm to the teeth a trillion dollar starship going into an totally unkown situation, and the captain had to ram the engineer ship to stop it. It was a beautiful effect, but totally illogical. In this universe at least, if we ever can build starships for exploration like the Prometheus, it will be heavily armed for defense, and we all know it. Still overall, I enjoyed the movie. The cinematography alone was worth the 15 buck's for IMAX 3d, and Fassbinder's performance was mesmerizing.

  • June 11, 2012, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Prometheus fascists out in force again!

    by Mr Kite

    I saw this film over a week ago now and have been reading the various prometheus related talkbacks ever since. As i have previously mentioned in other posts I was bitterly disappointed with the movie. It failed on so many levels and,in the final analysis, seemed to have been very badly made. Brilliant visuals can't save a film no matter how good they are. The numerous problems with Prometheus have been mentioned at length and in detail by other posters on the talkbacks and there seems to be a consensus of opinion on what was wrong with the film. Having said that, I respect the views of the people who say they liked/loved Prometheus despite its flaws. The posters I can't stand are the apologists, the Prometheus fascists. In their view anybody who didn't like Prometheus is definitely not entitled to an opinion. In fact, no matter how well written and accurate critical posts are, they are met with a tirade of infantile abuse and insults. The most commonly used knee jerk response seems to be "if you didn't like Prometheus its because you're too stupid to understand it". There is a very strong emperor's new clothes vibe to Prometheus. Anyway, the truth is I did get it, I do understand it and anything I may have missed has been discussed on these talkbacks. Trust me , it doesn't change my opinion of the film. No matter what it was trying to do, the film I saw was still very badly made. Another trend I have noticed among the Prometheus fascists is making up details that weren't actually in the film. Some posters have lent undue significance to certain scenes with nothing to back up their flights of fantasy. Have an opinion, make up your own mind and let other people do the same. People are allowed to dislike Prometheus, its not a crime. Prometheus fascists are acting like religious fanatics. My prediction is that ticket sales for Prometheus will start to drop dramatically. I think a lot of people went to see it despite the bad reviews simply because it was another Ridley Scott film in the Alien universe. I know I did. Anyway, cue emperor's new clothes style attacks

  • June 11, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Interesting review here ... (link)

    by ReportAbuse

    'As the credits rolled, I took off my 3-D glasses and rubbed by eyes in disbelief, trying to fathom the vulgarity of spirit behind this godawful movie. It is the same vulgarity of spirit that took the mysteries of Stanley Kubrick’s 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) and gave us Peter Hyam’s sequel 2010 (1984), where the monoliths work to prevent nuclear war. It is the same vulgarity of spirit that took “the Force” of the original Star Wars trilogy and explained it in terms of little measurable material widgets called “midichlorians” in The Phantom Menace (1999). It is the same vulgarity of spirit that took the mysteries of Alfred Hitchcock’s The Birds (1963) and gave us Rick Rosenthal’s made-for-TV sequel The Birds II: Land’s End (1994), in which we are informed that the bird attacks are due to pollution.' 'Heidegger tells us that this vulgarization is the essence of modernity, which seeks to abolish all mystery and transcendence, replacing them with the transparent and available, which in cultural terms boils down to the vulgar and the trite.' 'But some of us are more modern than others, and it all fell into place when I spied the name of screenwriter Damon Lindelof, one of the principal culprits behind Lost, the longest, most cynical Jewish jerk-job in television history. Lost was masterful in sucking people in by layering mystery upon mystery, including elements of religion, myth, and science fiction. But it was ultimately arbitrary and incoherent, revealing a bottomless contempt for its audience. All of these elements were chosen merely for effect, without concern for coherence and meaning, without the slightest suggestion that they could be taken seriously, that they mean anything important, that they are anything more than boob bait. Prometheus is the same kind of portentous swindle: just Jews making millions peddling myths for morons.' http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/06/ridley-scotts-prometheus/

  • June 11, 2012, 5:13 p.m. CST

    I don't see any of what you're saying mr kite

    by jimmy_009

    From your post: "The most commonly used knee jerk response seems to be "if you didn't like Prometheus its because you're too stupid to understand it"" Really?!? Because I haven't read this once? Not once in any of these threads. I'm not saying that no one's said it, but if it's really the most common retort of the "facists" (nice, one move away from Godwin's Law aren't you) then it would stand to reason I might have seen a few posts like this. Seriously, who's saying you can't have an opinion? Most of what I'm seeing is that the "haters" are grossly overreacting to what is essential a good but not great movie. And when I say grossly overreacting, I mean WAY THE FUCK out there overreacting to the point of trolldom.

  • June 11, 2012, 5:14 p.m. CST

    BTW, I totally see that it has problems and...

    by jimmy_009

    ...plot holes. It was still highly entertaining. I'm not a facist for thinking that or for thinking the backlash is ridiculously outsized and undeserved.

  • June 11, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST

    this talkback is crazy....

    by Jeremy

    people are simply spouting their opinions without taking time to read everything discussed here. People are pointing out things that have easy explanations or have been addressed earlier in the discussion. Why even post here? Just to prove you didn't think about the plot for even 2 seconds? I agree there are plot holes here but some of these complaints are written down without any thought. The medpod belongs to Weyland, of course. In fact, the whole cabin that they meet Vickers in belongs to Weyland. It's subterfuge on her part and one of the things the script does well, to plant these details without shoving them down our throats. YAY for subtlety! Also, what surgeries does he need performed? Anything that a man of his age might need done! He's one hundred+ years old for chrissakes, even my Grandma who's 60+ has a doctor on speed dial. Why don't they just bring a doctor you might ask? Because the pod is created to survive on it's own and allow it's subject a comfortable life in case something bad happens and it's jettisoned (as we see at the end). If that happens he has a medpod in case the doctor (David) is destroyed or dies. It's really not that hard to figure out. There are no answers as to why the Engineer starts killing them at the end? Well yeah, of course there are no answers, the one creature that could have given them answers is the Engineer and he starts killing them. BUT that doesn't mean there is no reason, it just means that they didn't tell you the motivation. Get over it. The Engineer who kills himself at the beginning? His DNA gets in the water and creates the beginnings of humanity. He does it out of spite to the other Engineers who've cast him out, probably to die. Not as an accident. If you take FIVE minutes to consider the story and how it parallels the Bible and the story of Prometheus (hint: it's in the title!) it makes so much sense I'm not even sure there's reason for further discussion. The Engineers want to kill us BECAUSE we're a mistake that a condemned Engineer foisted on his own people. The Engineer at the end has been asleep for 2 thousand years? Yeah, but it's not like he's aware of it. He's going to be at the same place emotionally and mentally that he was when he went to sleep. His last mission was to "reset" the planet Earth and it's not like he's had 2000 years to think it over and change his mind. He kills the humans and David because he has a mission and we're like flies to him. Even Weyland's advanced technology is nothing compared to his. Besides, this shit happens on our planet between humans all the time. Just because he's advanced he's supposed to be enlightened? Yeah right. The flute is a problem to you? I suppose you hate Close Encounters because they use music to communicate with the mother ship? And somebody mentioned that the mural changes but no more is said about it? They explain it IN THE SCENE! The chamber has been vacuum sealed, if you will, to stabilize the contents of the chamber and the introduction of oxygen into the room changes everything within. THEY ACTUALLY SAY THIS! The geologist gets scared encountering a dead alien? That doesn't seem realistic to you? You actually think that all scientists are calm and rational in every situation? Weird, that seems less realistic to me than one guy in a group reacting poorly to his survival instinct, which is probably going off like crazy because there's obviously something seriously wrong with that place from the moment they walk in. Not to mention, he clearly didn't sign up for this mission NOT TO MENTION... he's a geologist. He works with rocks. Not dead aliens. That shit is fucked up. I'd be out of there too.

  • June 11, 2012, 5:17 p.m. CST

    reportabuse, what's with the Jew bashing in that review?

    by jimmy_009

    I agree that Damon Lindelof is the single biggest problem with this movie, but Jesus H. what's with the sick antisemitism?

  • June 11, 2012, 5:18 p.m. CST

    quede up again

    by rlong

    couldnt wait to see this again to see what a fucking abortion this was!

  • June 11, 2012, 5:19 p.m. CST

    I think its pretty darn good the way it is.

    by Yelsaeb

    I see no reason to add anything. But, then again, its his movie so he can do anything he wants to it. I'm just still in shock that people are hating on it this much.

  • June 11, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST

    That reviewer apparently didn't understand either 2001 or 2010

    by FluffyUnbound

    But I guess I shouldn't expect too much from someone who describes LOST as 'Jewish'. WTF dude?

  • June 11, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST

    plot holes...

    by lastsonofkryptonaz

    ....saw the flick. Loved it. I definitely saw where someone may feel there were plot holes. Isn't it our job as a viewer to suspend belief and give the benefit of the doubt to the film maker whose movie we just paid to see? It is odd how someone can come out of that movie asking "who the fuck would take their helmet off in that situation?" How on Earth is that what you walk out talking about? Are you folks just judging what they do, based upon how you may have reacted? There are smart people and stupid people out there. They can also be found holding every job title. I could definitely see some world famous biologist being so giddy stupid enough to play with an alien snake / worm thing. This movie had so so many underlying messages that I feel the crew may all have a symbol for how mankind has let our creators down. I am thankful for R. Scott making a movie that had me yearning to dig in deeper. Feel free to slay me now. I just hope people keep making movies that are as thought provoking as Prometheus was.

  • June 11, 2012, 5:25 p.m. CST

    All this talk about Prometheus' box office performance

    by Chris

    It shouldn't be a surprise to anybody here that an R rated sci-fi movie lost out to a CGI family-friendly movie, especially during the summer season but let's not forget that the Alien franchise has never been a box office juggernaut, hell, Resurrection lost out to Flubber back in the so-long-ago '90's. 50 million is nothing to scoff at.

  • June 11, 2012, 5:27 p.m. CST

    I personally enjoyed the hell out of Prometheus

    by Chris

    but anybody that argues that Resurrection is better than Prometheus should have their head examined.

  • June 11, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST

    You can preorder almost any movie these days

    by jimmy_009

    What's the point?

  • If the movie wasn't giving us constant visual reminders of the Alien films this wouldn't be an issue. It was the filmmakers who needed to forget it was an Alien prequel. Everything that is contrived in Prometheus came from all the narrative contortions the writers had to make to fit it into the Alien series history. Prometheus is the kind of film that gets worse the more you think about it.

  • June 11, 2012, 5:33 p.m. CST

    to rat attack

    by yumaseven007

    1) "OMG DEY GAVE NO ANSWERS!" - - - oh shit, did you have to do some serious thinking about stuff in order to understand the film? No, wait, you refused to do so. 2) "Nothing made any sense, there are so many plot holes!!!!!" - - even though three talkback threads have now painfully pointed out how none of these plot points are relevant or well founded. 3) "Characters are all stupid and one dimensional!!!!!!" - - - same people who lap up every shit superhero movie with moronic linear characters 4) "Space jesus, stupid re-hash, not iconic, nothing special!!!!!" - - - same people who lap up utter crap like Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Game of Thrones 5) "It was a big disappointment/fuck you to fans of Alien" - - - Wow, entitlement complex much? 1) I don't care about having all the answers. That's generally how life goes. But for god sakes at least make the movie coherent. Not a series of stupid decisions to forward the plot. 2) Plot holes are irrelevant and unfounded. How can that be true? Most of the positive reviews I've read say the movie was pretty but the script sucked. But I guess when you fill in your own answers things make more sense. I guess this is your big screen version of an add lib. 3) I don't enjoy one dimension characters all that much. But if there in a fun or exciting movie I can forgive the screenwriter. What was exciting about the movie Prometheus. Whay were the scientist's doing besides letting david do their jobs for them. And never even asking him to decipher the symbols back at the ship. I guess there were too busy having sex to care abou their life's work. 4) Only a moron would put Prometheus in the same league as either one of those shows. Their plots may have sucked from time to time but they had characters you cared about and they were funny. There's nothing funny about a robot that spies on you while you're dreaming. Unless of course you Weyland and somehow while you're in cryo sleep you can communicate with your creepy android. But I'm sure you're answer will be something along the lines of new technology. That must be the same technology that allows staples from being ripped out when you do a pull up. They could have at least used super healing gel. That would have been plausible and not a plot hole. Also, space jesus was something imagined on the internet since no one in the movie alluded to that at all. 5) I could care less about the alien connection. But don't spend months telling me this isn't an alien prequel then put in the same ship, same type of space jockey, same basic plot and at the end you show me a fucking alien and a face hugger. That's like pissing in my mouth then calling it rainwater. My mind wants to believe you but it still tastes like piss. I know you like this movie but please don't force you're delisions on people who question who in the hell any of this sounded like a good idea to anyone beside the fucker from lost.

  • June 11, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST

    @andromedus

    by toxicopoulus

    I keep on saying this. Blade Runner got shit reviews and horrible box office. It wasn't until years later that people started figuring out what Scott was up to; after multiple versions, debate, scholarly criticism etc. now it's considered a masterpiece. I'm not saying that Prometheus will have the same trajectory but it sure as hell fits closer to that type of film and is way more mature of a work than you ponces are giving it credit for. go read some real science fiction like Greg Bear's "Forge of God" or Clarke's "Childhood's End" and get back to me on what a waste Prometheus is. Your ignorance of the genre because more evident with ever post you make on this subject. and I'll say it, YEAH, you're a stupid fucker if you didn't at least get something out of the experience of watching this film. The ideas presented and the technical wizardry involved in making it alone were worth the price of admission. Hell, people still rave about Fantasia and all that was was pretty pictures and classical music. I bet you hated that too. peace

  • June 11, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Andromedus, you're nitpicking with the whole preorder thing

    by Chris

    Come on man, The Avengers was available to preorder like a week after it's opening.

  • June 11, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Look's like Noomi's about to be tentacle raped in that pic.

    by Sardonic

    Not that I'd like to see that or anything.

  • June 11, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Prometheus is not a prequel to Alien but it has its DNA

    by Chris

    They really weren't lying

  • June 11, 2012, 5:41 p.m. CST

    The vacuum sealed chamber of death.

    by yumaseven007

  • June 11, 2012, 5:42 p.m. CST

    For people who point out that it's Weyland's medpod...

    by Executor

    No shit. But still, how many surgeries are out there that are strictly male or strictly female? To have an incredible invention like the medpod, but you can't program it to do both a vasectomy and a c-section is utterly ridiculous. What was gained dramatically by not having it be a C-section that Shaw underwent? Could have been the same operation, same drama, same everything. Without the stupid one-gender medpod. That's the complaint.

  • June 11, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Above

    by yumaseven007

    Why does everyone keep saying that the chamber was sealed and the introduction of air caused the containers to start to corrode. What about the atmosphere in the room with the thousands of cylinders. They were walking around that thing as easy as you please. No one ever said, "Look, these containers are corroding to." Nope. And for the people who say that bad thoughts caused the cylinders to react they way they did. Supposedly their full of bio weapons. Isn't that a bad thing. If your going to destroy a planet, isn't that a bad thing.

  • June 11, 2012, 5:47 p.m. CST

    I really like the ambiguity in the film

    by Lone Fox

    I don't remember the last time I spent countless hours discussing what may or may not have been implied by a movie. If nothing else, it's social(!) I enjoyed Prometheus, plan on seeing it again soon. Yes, it's frustrating as hell, but that was the point, surely? We're as wise (or not) as the crew. Some folk just need everything spelt out. Try thinking about it.

  • June 11, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST

    @jimmy_009

    by Mr Kite

    Read some of the posts in this very talkback. Here's a prime example: by jasonicus "Prometheus is awesome. If you think otherwise, you are retarded." They attack anybody who makes any criticism of Prometheus (not just "Haters") no matter how valid or well reasoned the critique. Thats what this site is supposed to be about, people discussing movies. .People are entitled to their opinions on the film whether they are positive or negative without facing a barrage of insults. Finally, fascists are described (among other things) as being intolerant, aggressive and oppressive which is the impression I am getting from many of the posters on the various prometheus talkbacks. Godwins law, on the other hand, applies to hitler and/or nazi analogies. Hope that answers your questions

  • June 11, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Medpod debate

    by Chris

    it's obvious, Vickers was a man! Not an android, not a corporate lacky, but a man. Maybe that's why Idris Elba was so quick to kamikaze his ship, just like Roger Pedactor, he found Captain Winky!

  • June 11, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST

    I also assumed Milburn had some puffs from Fifield's helmet bong

    by Chowwander

    I actually thought that immediately while watching the film. So I wasn't very surprised by his hapless chain of events. He was mellow yellow!

  • June 11, 2012, 5:57 p.m. CST

    mr kite

    by jimmy_009

    Welcome to the Internet. And people that hate it are attacking people that liked it and everyone gets to be the "victim" and feel persecuted. Wah wah wah.

  • June 11, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST

    the big fuck up...

    by buddha747

    The end scene is where it all goes really stupid for me. If this isn't the planet from Alien that Ripley and crew find, then how do we get egg sacks on that ship then? Another ship you dumbass! No, the ships all had containers of black goo in them, thousands if i remember from the movie. Black goo doesn't result in face hugger eggs or xenomorphs (a queen) to produce face hugger eggs. If it did then why didn't the two humans that were infected with the black goo produce anything. They just took on a physical changed that made them some sort of mutant that excels at yoga. Stop bringing the movie Alien into this you idiot...this is not a prequel. IT ISN'T...THERE'S A FUCKING XENOMORPH AT THE END OF IT! THE FIRST ONE ACTUALLY. ALSO THE WEYLAND COMPANY POPS 1 TRILLION BUCKS FOR THE PROMETHEUS JOURNEY. THEY BOTH HAVE SPACE JOCKEYS/ENGINEERS IN THEM! ANYONE WHO BELIEVES THAT THIS IS NOT AN ALIEN PREQUEL IS DELUDED!!!! So here we go. This has to be the same planet, as unless that first xenomorph knows how to fly another one of the Engineers ships...IT'S STAYING ON THAT FUCKING PLANET!!!! No the ship they find in Alien has an engineer in the pilot seat with it's chest burst open, so that is how a xenomorph get's on that ship...SO THERE!!!! WRONG!!!!! If the black goo taken by an engineer results in xenomorphs, the only two things on the ship, then why didn't the crew of the Prometheus find any on the planet? Further more, lets throw all reason out the window and say it does. So the xenomorphs got their cool Giger-esque look from the Engineers right... WRONG!!!! The only thing about the engineers that is Giger-esque are their space suits. HOW THE HELL DOES THE ENGINEERS SPACE SUIT MIX WITH IT'S DNA TO GIVE THE XENO ITS LOOK???? THIS IS LIKE SAYING THAT WHAT EVER CLOTHES YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD ON WHEN YOU GOT YOUR WIFE PREGNANT MIX WITH YOUR DNA AND THAT IS WHY YOUR KIDS SKIN LOOKS LIKE LACE FROM VICTORIA SECRETS!!!! Also if the black goo the engineer at the beginning of the movie takes that destroys him and creates us is the same black goo then why wouldn't it do the same thing to the one in the ship from alien? Obviously something wiped them out, as shown in the movie. And what was that...how about themselves. Shaw proves that we share the same DNA, so taking the black goo would result in the same crazy mutant yoga instructor as humans...IT'S FUCKING GENETICS!!!! But you can't talk about genetics, these things are aliens. BUT THEY SHARE THE SAME DNA AND CREATED US FROM THEM...THE MOVIE STATES THAT!!!! It seems from what i saw in the film this scenario is the way you result in the first xenomorph, as this is the way it happens in the film. Black goo is swallowed by human male. Human male impregnates human female. Human female incubates squid/face hugger. (who knows what the result would have been if she didn't remove it...another flaw) Squid/face hugger impregnates engineer. Engineer incubates xenomorph until it's birth. From that point on, once a first xenomorph is created, all you need is face hugger eggs from that xeno. Unless this happened on that other ship you all seem to think Ripley and crew find...THIS IS THE SAME FUCKING PLANET!!!! What about the murals in the room, seems that those explain something and one of them was a xenomorph. OK, one was of an engineer looking all Prometheus like with its side ripped out...like Prometheus. Yes, the other one was of a xenomorph. So does that mean black goo plus engineer equals xenomorph and these murals are a warning. Can't be, as explained above...2 + 2 does = 4 in that combo. And what about the worms? What worms...THE ONES THAT BUBBLE TO THE SURFACE AFTER DAVID STEPS INTO THE ROOM!!!! OH...those worms. They seem to be part of what makes the cobra/face hugger things that everyone wants to pet. As from what we see in the movie, black goo plus worms equal cobra. Remember, the black goo is now all over the floor due to it being triggered by human proximity. So maybe that might be what ultimately killed off the engineers, as they didn't even consider the worms that come from the dirt of the planet they are creating a chemical weapon on. Spilled black goo plus worms equals dead engineers. Maybe, but they also don't result in xenomorphs either, as if they did, we would have had one earlier in the film. You know, from that crazy guy that wants to pet a cobra or from all those dead engineers, the planet would be swarming with them. See, this is what drives me crazy about the film, as i can go on and on and nothing ever really connects into an intelligent progression of any reasonable and accountable state of evolution. I enjoyed the film as a fan of movies it was awesome and the 3D was some of the best i have seen because it worked well with the film without getting gimmicky, but once you start from the end and try to make things work...it just doesn't. This creates the worst part of the movie overall, that no one really played the what if game with the script. Sure now hit me with the "you are really dumb because you need to have everything spelled out for you." Not really, that isn't what i am saying here. If you are going to use this sci-fi world and beings to tackle certain things, then please make sure you double check where you are going and where you have been. There is no way to completely separate Prometheus from Alien and they made it so...not me. If you want a story about the origin of life further pushing this films world into the engineer part of what was briefly shown in Alien, then don't end it with a xenomorph. Oh yeah... and then there's this...Neil DeGrasse Tyson Calls Out Prometheus For Its Sketchy Science Most science fiction fans are happy to shrug off technical inaccuracies while enjoying a movie. But not if you're the director of the Hayden Planetarium and a world-renowned astrophysicist. Which is why Neil DeGrasse Tyson couldn't help but question one of Prometheus' technical gaffes. In the film they travel 35 light years into space, which Charlize Theron's character comments as being about half a billion miles from Earth. But that estimate's a little off. Like, way off. As Tyson points out, half a billion miles from Earth would only put you just past Jupiter. In reality, a single light year equates to 5.88 trillion miles, not billion. So 35 light years would have put the crew some 205.8 trillion miles away from the Earth. Well past Jupiter, and well outside of our solar system.

  • June 11, 2012, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Fuck I can't type

    by skiff

  • June 11, 2012, 6:10 p.m. CST

    io9 have some great answers

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    http://io9.com/5917448/all-of-your-lingering-prometheus-questions-answered

  • June 11, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight Rises will crush all these summer movies.

    by Bjarni

  • June 11, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST

    We don't need answers, we just need character development.

    by Shermdawg

  • June 11, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Stop with the make up math!

    by Andrew Coleman

    God I hate jealous losers thinking they know the business... "So lets say it cost blah blah to make and blah blah to market"... You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. The movie was rated R... R!!! And made that type of money. This movie is a hit. Sorry it wasn't AVP3 or whatever the fuck you were looking for but the studio has already announced it's happy with the results so far here and abroad. This isn't like John Carter that was set up to fail... They spent too much making it. That didn't happen on Prometheus. So shut the fuck up and keep your bullshit math and fake logic to yourself because you look like idiots.

  • June 11, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Was she or wasn't she?

    by yubnubrocks

    Charlize's character - an android or not? I say yes.

  • So you go to an alien planet, you can breathe the air, and you're just going to keep your helmet on? That's like going to Panama, but you're afraid to go to the beach. That's like telling conquistadors not to fuck the natives. Pocahontas, ever hear of her story? Taking the helmets off didn't endanger crew, the danger came from other vectors.

  • June 11, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Kirk and Spock almost never wear helmets on alien planets! What's the big deal?

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • June 11, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Reason why the Engineer goes on rampage.

    by Unfettered1

    He's repulsed by the artificial being. That the very creations of their's who have forgotten their makers have created these possibly 'immoral' Androids by their view.....and they were already intending to wipe out Earth for an ambiguous reason. Which I don't mind, I love how many of the clues are symbolic and up to you to decide and speculate.

  • June 11, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST

    @unfettered1

    by Chowwander

    That's what I thought too: David was abomination. Still wonder what he said though.

  • June 11, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST

    I've been waiting so long for something like this...

    by Josh

    FOREVER. FInally a thought provoking sci-fi film I want to see it again, prob see it again on Fri. I hope it'll be in IMAX still. if not fuck it.

  • June 11, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Regarding it's box office take, given this was 3D & Imax...

    by Shermdawg

    ...it really should've pulled in more than it did. Not hatin', just sayin'... just sayin'.

  • June 11, 2012, 6:51 p.m. CST

    It's no surprise quantize loved Prometheus

    by kwisatzhaderach

  • June 11, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST

    I never had any problem understanding 2001

    by Autodidact

    It's fair to compare it to PROMETHEUS given that it deals with ancient aliens monitoring the evolution and technological progress of the human race. At the end of 2001 the aliens take one human and change his biology/nature, "evolving" him into the first human spacefaring energy-being, or "starchild" if you will. The only confusing part of 2001 is what the hell is going on at the end between the "trip" and the appearance of the starchild, when Bowman is shown as an old man lying in bed and stuff. I can't say exactly what is meant to be going on there although I tend to take it as the aliens exploring Bowman's mind.

  • These guys exist at at a stage of human development and a future where mankind is TERRAFORMING planets and presumably moons and asteroids. TERRAFORMING. Do you realize the technology involved in Terraforming? What needs to be done to a planet? Its Atmosphere or lack thereof? And with such advanced technology you don't think they would have developed a thingamajig small enough to be integrated into a suit which to a reasonable degree of safety detects the breathability of an alien atmosphere not just in terms of the various gas composition and proportions, but also in terms of bio-organic antigens and toxins? Why are people still whining about this? They have a machine on board the Prometheus that can perform a heart bypass surgery on you without human supervision, for crying out loud. Even Star Trek didn't have shit like that they were based 300 years further in the future than that. And you still think they wouldn't develop the necessary technology to allow them to detect the breathability of an alien atmosphere? Geeeeezus!! Find something else to whine about. And yes Holloway's character was a brash, arrogant prick who should have known better; but the whole arrogant thing was part of the schtick of his character to counterbalance Rapace's character's cautiousness (she did warn him not to take it off after all). That was after all, what (sort of) did him in, in the end. So why are people whining about the fact that he did something stupid when he was fated to die from part of his stupidity anyway?

  • June 11, 2012, 6:54 p.m. CST

    As for the Director's Cut

    by Unfettered1

    I'm looking forward to viewing that, but I seriously doubt it'll explain the questions and 'holes'. We can always hope that it'll go more in the direction of a little more character development, nuanced scenes or extended scenes. But from the sounds of what Sir Scott says, it might be deleted scenes that just didn't really work for the movie unlike Kingdom of Heaven's fantastic director's cut.

  • ...am I too late? And I'm still excited for Prometheus, even if it sounds chalk full of holes.

  • June 11, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Ridley

    by fauns_bass_1

    ... You blew it... adding 20 minutes won't help. You know deep down that this is not up to the standard you set with your previous films... ...you can't polish a turd. Please. Please. Don't touch Blade Runner.

  • June 11, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST

    That pic is all they need to promote Prometheus in Japan.

    by AlexDK

  • June 11, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Prometheus is here! Deal with it motherfuckers!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    by JarJar25

    Yes, the film was number two, but it still has done well, worldwide. It cost about 125 million to make. Other Alien films haven't done that well either, yet they continued to greenlight them in the past. Some of you didn't get it, and that's life. I loved the film, and understood it. Yes, not all questions were answered, and that was done on purpose, so deal with that too! Here is a flim to come along that is pure science fiction, and I won't take something like that back to the store, because we get so few science fiction films. Inception and District 9 were the last two good ones that I saw. They could make a second one or maybe make that Aliens comic series back in the early 90s. Yes, some of you didn't like it, but Harry and I, plus the rest of you did. So, you fuckers are not going to stop us or our love of this film. Hell no! We are here to fight for it and it is not going away!

  • So I can deal with helmets off & stupid lost scientist & Still enjoy a beautifully shot movie.

  • June 11, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Last time I thought more about a movie was before Phantom Menace!

    by dead youngling

    Thx, Ridley...love it when my brain works and I can talk theories with friends...sorely lacking these days.

  • June 11, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST

    The two co-pilots cheerily opting to die was the strangest thing.

    by Autodidact

  • June 11, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST

    SERIOUSLY, stained panties over removed HELMETS?!

    by dead youngling

    You're gonna have a lot of problems in life.

  • Which can mean it is both a uniquely cool film later on and a not as good as was hoped for film on release - but the kind of film that makes a later trilogy really good and abit atypical.

  • June 11, 2012, 7:55 p.m. CST

    @totalreality

    by toxicopoulus

    good on you. of course people are entitled to their own opinions... ...but there is precedent for questioning the intelligence of ARDENT bashers of Prometheus. One, it's not warranted. Prometheus is far from perfect but at least it tried (and succeeded to a large extent) at bringing something thought-provoking to the screen. Two, a lot of the most vehement attacks seem to be coming from "low-information viewers". The back and forth reminds me a lot of the divisiveness over A.I.; another ambitious movie that was not everlyone's cup of tea. But a great many of the people who bashed A.I. out of hand actually were rather dim. I remember poster after poster bitching about how the ALIENS at the end of the second act were treating David as some sort of messiah. These idiots didn't realize that those weren't aliens at all, but advanced mecha, even though there were visual cues and dialog scattered throughout the entire film. Now I'm not saying that this is the case with all of the people who didn't take to Prometheus but a lot of the negativity sure has the same ring to it. sometimes when people assert that someone doesn't "get" a film they are dead on the money. peace

  • June 11, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST

    @toxicopoulus

    by xbagboy

    Thank you for your well thought out response. Overall Prometheus did not work for me but I enjoy discussing it with people on both side of the fence, without bashing anyone. Also, I was a big defender of A.I. which I need to revisit after all these years.

  • June 11, 2012, 8:06 p.m. CST

    totalreality...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...strange old world. I went at you pretty hard over in a couple of Django talkbacks but the list of problems you crafted above is extremely solid. None of the recycled ideas, obvious and unfocused iconography or even a few beautiful set pieces in Prometheus makes up for the inability to construct consistent characters or a believable narrative. I still want this movie to do well and I'm rooting for a big international total because if it fails the fault will be placed on the movie being R rated science fiction rather than the movie's specific shortcomings. But the stew of mismatched ingredients that made up Prometheus represents a missed opportunity.

  • June 11, 2012, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Why does a little British girl grow up to be a Swedish woman?

    by Chief Joseph

    Will this be explained in the directors cut?

  • June 11, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Great Movie!!

    by Mako

    Seen it twice and love it even more!! For those who don't get it... so sorry for you. Go back to the mindless beatings of TRANSFORMERS 3 or the superheros done over and over and over in AVENGERS (which has major plot holes and countless character motivation problems). That movie is still a WTF is going on eye soar. PROMETHEUS is a classic. Using the term "Plot Holes" in this movie is like crying, "I really don't want to think at all... and I don't like that it was left open ended". If ALIEN came out today... people would be crying over so many things, "Why were those eggs in there?"... "What was that alien thing in the chair?" "How stupid can you be to crawl in a vent looking after a monster?" "How stupid can you be making all that noise attracting a monster?" Come on Nordling... you wanna nit pick stupid characters.... start with ALIEN if you're gonna be fair. But you're not. Cause you carry too much love and baggage for a movie that actually has some of the same problems you are all crying about. I feel sad for you.

  • ...Mainly because of Lindelof AND Ridley being okay with what Linde wanted to bring to Spaihts original Shadow 19/Prometheus script.Which was pretty good IMO. Especially 2001.Ridley is good but Kubrick was a master of the multiple narrative film.Ridley not so much.

  • ...also a showdown between Vickers and Shaw,Engineer/Giant Squid ala the one LV_426 fan scripted would be cool.

  • June 11, 2012, 8:35 p.m. CST

    3.27x10 to the 10th power?

    by iluvsyfy

    If my math is right, that is 327,000,000,000 miles. Therefore if Pluto is 3.67 billion miles away, then the ship was 100x the distance.........but Alpha Centauri is trillions of miles away. So, is there a star sustem closer? If not then, someone in writing needs to check there math. Perhaps they meant AU instad of miles, therefore Promo then would be on the other side of the Milky Way. But what pissed me off was Ms. Theron's so called Demise. Though in laws of film making, if you don't see the death, anything goes. Really, not one of those two space jockey's would rather spend two years with CT, than blowing themselves up, get real. The lost boys with all that tech? right! Stupid zombie, werewolf mutant, lol. Shaw screaming at big mother fuckin engineer, trying to make it answer, why? why? instead of being more respectful and scientific in her approach. No scientist would behave in that manner to a super alien race, period. I have to agree with another suggestion, is the alien pulled off David's head because he was furious that man created another symbient being on our own, plus a tad jealous. Though I think the engineers on the planet were fallen ones (rebels) Lucifer's dudes, not good ones, who then saboutaged the facility 2k yrs ago, to allow the good ones to send a rep to earth.

  • June 11, 2012, 8:40 p.m. CST

    ARM*

    by Fior84

  • Because now I'm just going to wait for the Blu anyway.

  • June 11, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Please fix the lost boys plot

    by iluvsyfy

  • June 11, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST

    with all that tech that couldn't be

    by iluvsyfy

  • June 11, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST

    reshoot the zombie attack or remove

    by iluvsyfy

  • June 11, 2012, 8:45 p.m. CST

    remove the making up to snake alien puppy

    by iluvsyfy

  • June 11, 2012, 8:45 p.m. CST

    please Scott, that was lame scene.

    by iluvsyfy

  • June 11, 2012, 8:53 p.m. CST

    LOL @ t.o.p.

    by Chief Joseph

    "Can you imagine the balls it took to make the original Alien... a new form of life, and then leave the audience without any more information as to what it is? No filmmaker would dare do that today and it's one of the reasons the original has endured." Such a stupid argument. 1) Michael Bay never explained who created the Transformers. Is HE a genius? 2) Where the Alien came from wasn't important to that story. 3) You ironically call Ridley a genius for leaving where the Alien came to the imagination and also call him a genius for making a prequel that seeks to destroy that ambiguity. How does that work?

  • June 11, 2012, 9:05 p.m. CST

    @totalreality. I will attempt to answer your points

    by Jaster Mareel

    1.) No explanation of FTL. It's supposed to be sci-fi, say something. ~~~What? They don't address the Heisenberg principle? How do they have artificial gravity? I want my money back! 2.) No pre-launch training. On a trillion dollar mission going into an alien environment? ~~~Training for what? Their plan for dealing with completely unimaginable events? 3.) No military presence including no self-destruct or fire-and-escape nukes. No way. Don't buy it. ~~~No military presence? This is an actual complaint? WHERE's THE PRIEST! What, no firefighters? Yeah because an M-16 would have solved all their problems. *eyeroll* And how do you know there was no self-destruct? 3A.) No chain of command at all. ~~~The chain of command is established in the hologram. Open your ears next time you see it. 4.) "No Weapons." Fuck you, cunt. ~~~Like I say, the chain of command was established. And a fucking flamethrower wouldn't have helped anyway. 5.) No probes sent in first. ~~~And you they had probes....how? 6.) Taking helmets off. ~~~This has been gone over ad nauseum. 7.) Goofy wandering off and getting lost when they can be clearly seen on the hologram in the ship. ~~~I think the key words are ON THE SHIP. 8.) The guy controlling the probes AND obviously had a read-out in his suit gets lost. WHU? ~~~The ship had not been mapped when they entered, so it was not a matter of =YOU ENTERED HERE=. Plus they were freaked out and possibly stoned. 8A.) Absolutely retarded scene where the lost guys get killed. Tired, tired, lame, played out creature feature death scene. ~~~Matter of opinion I guess. 9.) Android infects human with no real way to control the experimentation. Meanwhile the ship has a few science team. ~~~As explained in the film, and as described by Lindelof himself in the above linked article, he was instructed to do this by Weyland. 10.) Android tells master that it's a bust after one expedition into structure. ~~~The entire point of the mission was to have the engineers revert Weyland's body. Since they seemed to all be dead, it looked bleak. 11.) Dude gets flamethrown and burns to death and is never mentioned again. ~~~Yes, they should have sat down and had a counseling session. Boba Fett gets eaten by a plant and NEVER MENTIONED AGAIN! 12.) Chick is supposed to be quarantined and put in cryo after being infected but suddenly everyone is letting her run around the ship and come on missions. ~~~She wasn't a priority after her c-section. Getting Weyland to the engineer was the only priority at that point. 13.) Chick performs c-section on self and then runs around like Lara Croft. Never mentioned again. Forgets to tell anyone about alien baby. ~~~Oh, was she supposed to host a seminar on squid babies? I don't know, maybe seeing her boyfriend roasted to death, mother fuckers dropping like flies and Weyland about to go provoke the progenitor of it all had her a little distracted. 14.) Stupid pointless zombie man ~~~It showed that the virus genetically changed the host with increased strength and durability. 15.) Needless reveal of old man. Pointless. With no reaction from anyone to this bloody woman. ~~~Shit was flowing full-speed into the fan. It was clear that nothing else mattered but getting Weyland to the engineer. There was only a couple of people left alive at that point. They just going to tackle her? The staples on her stomach and the blood made it pretty clear what had happened and revealed her not to be a threat. 16.) "Let's go wake up the big guy." Why is there only one left? Meh, stop asking questions. ~~~Why is there only one Jaws? Why is there only one E.T.? See what a dumb question that is? 17.) Let's crash the ship based on a 30 second conversation. And you two also need to die. ~~~The entire human species will die unless you act right now. Not enough motivation for you? Have you never seen a character sacrifice themself to save others before? 18.) Stupid rolling donut ship. It would likely smashed apart when it hit the ground. ~~~You mean if it was made of Earth materials? Ah, astute observation. 19.) Getting run over by stupid rolling donut ship ~~~Yeah! It's ridiculous to think that large moving things could crush people! 20.) Here comes the Borg dude! ~~~Yeah because the Borg weren't inspired by Giger at all. *eyeroll* 21.) I'm going to genocidal borg home world to, you know, just talk... ~~~I think she was being a bit sarcastic. 22.) Remember ya rubes, it's about ALIEN! ~~~Your point?

  • Hehe one day all the people who want to nit pick this film will be the lame people who just ''don't get sci-fi'' Bring on Paradise. Bring on The lore. And get rid of the ''explain it all'' movies. Those are over. So when Kane fell into the egg pit and stuck his hand out to touch a foreign organic life form...did all of you complainers throw your hands in the air and say BS??? b/c I am sure everyone would get on an Alien space craft climb in and find organic life and touch it. OR MAYBE climbing through tunnels to flush out a 8Ft creature seems smart for a captain? What about Ripleys arm holding on with the vacuum of space? hmmmm How did the company even know about the ''life form'' in Alien? There are MASSIVE plot holes in every sci-fi. Classic Sci-fi was designed to let the mind wonder. I think Prometheus was a success on every level.

  • June 11, 2012, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Ridley's name on this thing is the controversial bit.

    by Chief Joseph

    Ridley's name on the credits is the thing that makes apologists call the movie genius. Conversely, it's also why the detractors are holding the movie to a higher standard than usual. Had Paul W.S. Anderson's name been listed as "directed by" on this same movie, we would have a very different talkback.

  • So now we're supposed to accept the Shaggy & Scooby bungling idiot SCIENTISTS acting a fool because they were "high????" Okay. Right. Even when I am HIGH I know not to try petting a FUCKING HOODED COBRA. And OH - HOW 'BOUT THIS ONE - you knock out or stun two crew members, run to get a C-Section, and then stumble into a room all bloody and fucked up with stomach staples and no one comments on it or addresses it????? Even the two people who you smacked down earlier????? There are at LEAST A HALF DOZEN ADDITIONAL ELIMINATIONS OF LOGIC IN THE FILM. NOT "PLOT HOLES." A "plot hole" means something doesn't quite fit with the advancement of the story. THIS stuff?? This stuff is SLOPPY WRITING. Even though, after seeing it two times, I must say I do * like * the movie for the things it does right (primarily it dared to be different and it did entertain and dazzle me), that does NOT excuse all of the bizarre MISSTEPS made.

  • June 11, 2012, 9:28 p.m. CST

    The movie was perfect.

    by yodakillzspock

    If you did not get this movie it is because you don't have the imagination to fill in the blanks. Fucktards...it is a sci-fi movie. Not real. To the ass hole that cried because somebody removed there helmet on a alien planet, what about the zombie/monster/burn the zombie scene. Its a fucking movie and way better then the original alien. Even when I was kid the movie did not make me jump. I jump a dozen times in this move. I got it. I get it. the movie works. This movie fucks the starwars prequels in the ass.

  • June 11, 2012, 9:34 p.m. CST

    fior84 RE: JONESY

    by Astronut

    I struggled with that for YEARS as I watched the film time and time again. It is indeed a stupid moment. BUT - I will say, some women will do just about anything for a fucking pet. I know it defies logic, it's ridiculous, totally. But I dated a girl whose cat attacked her with a cat scratch and bite, put her in the hospital with whatever that illness is called (Cat Scratch Fever is the laymens term) for 4 days, and guess what? After being told by everyone she new to get rid of it, she KEPT THE FUCKING CAT! CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT SHIT, MAN? Heh. Fucking women.

  • I was quite obsessed with "2001," as with almost all Kubrick films, when I was a young college student. I had seen "2001" as a young boy but it was so beyound what I felt passed for science fiction (in fact, it was far beyound what I felt passed for a movie) that it was a film that was immediately plowed under by the other films of my youth. Still, I did have this image of these pre-homoerectus primates jumping around in the desert while the rest of my brain screamed, "WHAT!?!" It stills remains one of my favourite movie reactions to share with people, quickly followed up by the fact that the film is now seen by me as one of the pinnacles of the artform itself. When I got older, had read much more, become more science-minded, and also had seen many many more films than my younger self, haveing become fascinated with Kubrick because of recently seeing his and Nabakov's "Lolita." I gave it another shot. And I was hooked. I became quite obsessed with many aspects of the film, especially the more abstract moments in the film. I would watch them, inches from the screen, my feet falling asleep under me as I leaned forward, looking vigorously for clues and patterns from which to begin my inquiries. When Bowman first enters the star portal, he is overwhelmed. The screen is filled with geometrics and colour, basic features of existence, but with no semblance towards meaning. As he continues to travel, the experience only becomes more and more trying and terrifying, driveing him to the end of his own existenial thread. He is uncomprehending, barely conscious. Sucked in. As he proceeds down this universal rabbithole, we must consider that Dave is experienceing the universe had an considerably altered speed. His experience of time is vastly different than that of a man on Earth. Not only temporal time, but the way that it translates itself: experientially, and cognitively. Therefore, barely alive, pushed to his limits, he is seeing the universe in a way that no one else from his race ever has. He begins to learn. Soon, he sees in these celestial shapes and forms both pattern and recognition. He sees waves. A sea. A landscape. His mind reverts to routine: a safe compartmentiziling of the world he finds himself thrust into. In another way, the only way with which to explain the external phenomenon that Bowman is privy to but without real interaction, without any real ability to control and manipulate it beyound his slight comprehension and internalization of it, he has begun to create an internal world formed from himself but reliant upon the external experience of the universe he is traverseing. Thus, his experience of the universe becomes an enligthenment of self in order to counteract with his new environment. As he learns, he ages. A new reality has been created. The pod becomes a room. The room becomes a tomb. A reflection becomes a realization. With each new confrontation with the universe he finds his consciousness leaping forward, his life drawing nearer to its end with each slight bump, buffeted by the vast forces of space and time unconformed and raw. The realization of material fragility leads to a quickly degraded self: his thoughts MAKE HIM mortal. He must confront his mortal self. Then the Monolith. Whether he actually confronts the Monolith, or merely the idea of it, is beside the point. He is a being of pure thought. His death becomes a window. *Much of "2001" deals with visual compositions that reinforce relativist thinking: how fast the lunar rover moves over the face of Jupiter's moon compared to the slowness with which the view of that immense surface moves beneath them in their belittled perspective. Another visual reference to the relativity to motion is how the rocket from Earth has to spin to synchronize itself to the space station's rotation: when they are synchronzied, neither appears to be moveing. There are many more. And my small scientific mind feels that there is something of this strain of thought in the stargate sequences - but it was be an empty wind to try to explain further. *For the record, much as I liked "Prometheus" and look forward to seeing it again, it doesn't even approach "2001: A Space Odyssey." There are few films that can - Tarkovsky, yes.

  • June 11, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST

    But seriously,

    by rhizomeman

    It blew pretty hard and if Ridley cannot see the sloppy writing in the script and lack of any realistic human reaction to certain events, shit, he's fucked.

  • ... but seriously, man, one thing you can't escape from or rationalize is the near total lack of WONDER and AWE in the characters as they went into that structure. You know, like, they see these bizarre ghost replay images whooshing about and they act with no sense of awe. Just "meh," and advance forward. All the things Ridley did right in this film, those kinds of illogical emotionless displays are just BAD, BAD CHOICES made in the script. BAD dialog. Or NO dialog to coincide with the events on screen. You would think they all saw this shit on a training video before they left earth!!!!! Again, LOVED certain aspects of the movie but dude, seriously, watch it again and you tell me - - - is that how people would have really behaved and reacted to what what going on around them???

  • June 11, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST

    My final thoughts on Prometheus

    by F1rst

    At least until the director's cut is released. Vickers: How long? David: 2 years, 4 months, 18 days, 36 hours, 15 minutes Anyone see the problem here? The movie starts in 2089 and Prometheus arrives at LV 226 in 2093. They travelled approx. 35 light years in how long? The earth day has how many hours? I'm not a stickler for science facts in sci-fi movies but come on Lindelof! Theory of relativity, Google is your friend my dear hack writer. To those who liked the movie: all the power to you. Far be it for my to try take away your enjoyment of the movie. But to say that people who didn't like it because they're stupid is disingenuous and condescending. A smart science fiction this movie ain't. When Ridley Scott isn't paying enough attention to the script to let '36 hours' pass, you know something isn't quite right. And it shows throughout the entire movie. I'm not going to retread all the plot holes and logic leaps, but they kept me from enjoying the movie. I saw it in IMAX 3d and it was one of the best-looking movies I've ever seen. Unfortunately, good it wasn't. So for those of you liked the Prometheus, good for you. You have different tastes than I do, and that's fine. Just don't call us who didn't like it idiots who 'didn't get it'. For those of you who didn't like Prometheus: I share your pain.

  • June 11, 2012, 10:04 p.m. CST

    It was not hard to figure out. The haters just don't get it.

    by Fritzlorrerains

  • June 11, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Or, at least, two time places.

    by ChaunceyGardiner

  • June 11, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Btw

    by F1rst

    Wasn't Scott saying just last week that the theatrical cut IS the director's cut. Thanks Lucas. I'm surprised they're not releasing the theatrical cut first so they can double-dip us for extra footage later.

  • June 11, 2012, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Clarke is a fun writer to read and imagine along with.

    by ChaunceyGardiner

  • June 11, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Just saw it, FUCKING LAME!!!

    by notcher

    Story went nowhere and made no sense and had a dull AVP ending. Fuck that,most disappointing film of the year. Bring on the Dark Knight Rises so Nolan can rape all your asses!!!

  • June 11, 2012, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Prometheus was a forgettable turd.

    by notcher

    No ifs ands or buts about it. Fuck that lame ass shit. AVP to me.

  • June 11, 2012, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Ridley likes to brag about being a whore lately

    by Rupee88

    He has said similar things in other interviews too. He directed one great movie, Alien, and a few good ones like Blade Runner, etc. He certainly is a businessman first.

  • June 11, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Jawsfan... that ill fitting music sounded like...

    by ufoclub1977

    A Star Trek Next Generation movie! :(

  • June 11, 2012, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Space Jockey dance-off..

    by darthwaz1

    In the extended cut.. Scott wants to do a tribute to Saturday Night Fever with space jockeys.

  • It doesn't matter who's directing the damn thing when the writing is a nightmare. The direction was out and out amazing. But directors, when you work with Lindelof, be prepared to get fucked! Sorry Ridley, I like you but, you gotta put some distance between you and Lindelof and here's why. Everything that was wrong with LOST is wrong with this movie. Except condensed down to two hours. Give Fassbender all your profits, Lindelof! he was the saving grace along with Ridley's visuals. But you did quite a job with your LOST pickax poking holes willy nilly! Didn't you people learn with LOST? I sure did. that was a hard lesson to learn. I went in with LOST expectations, but for Ridley's show. And I'm ok with that/ But folks, Lindelof has found a formula to get your ass & millions like you/me paying 8-10 a pop for his doggerel. It goes like this: 1.) Pick a theme everyone can identify with trying to find the answer to. Life's mysteries, etc. Something epic. Something people are passionate about = point B if you are A. 2.) Bridge between you and point B. Map that shit with other cool shit that is also shrouded in mystery - egyptians, horror, aliens, mayans, space, etc. fill that bridge to the brim with it. 3.) Pick awesome director who can bring A game. Abrams, Scott, etc. 4.) Then , And this one's key folks,...PICKAX the living HELL out of that thing. So by the end of it, your audience feels like a needy abused housewife who holds on tightly to the glimmer of hope that you can change. Lolz.

  • June 11, 2012, 11:02 p.m. CST

    WTH

    by Justicer7

    where did my post go

  • June 11, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST

    This is bullshit...

    by Jaka

    ....but at least it's not surprising bullshit.

  • We all love Aliens, yes? Nobody ever seems to complain that the space marines in the film are practically brain dead, save for Hicks.

  • June 11, 2012, 11:19 p.m. CST

    lolz again

    by Justicer7

    Prometheus is the latest illustration of the law of ninths when it comes to Lindelof. Intelligent filmmakers/writers who respect their audiences sculpt a plot that rewards their loyal guests with at least 2/3rds of the answers by the end of the film. The other 1/3rd leaves you coming back for more, sequels, etcetera Lindelof understood early on, that if you dress a plot in familiar themes that have attracted the attention & imagination of audiences for years, the minimum payoff to get a 21st century mind willing and able is 11%. The other 89% can be dead space and you'd still come back for more. Shit, 11% is a gift when you have 2 hours to sell a movie and Ridley Scott! It's not an accident people. It's the stubborn constipation of a good idea in exchange for your dollar. " there has to be some level of catharsis when you've been rocking back and forth for two hours in your seat...11% worth

  • It is explicitly implied that the Space Jockey is "grown out of the chair" in ALIEN. I always found this absolutely mind-bendingly fascinating. It hinted at an alien race that was possibly a combination of machine and flesh. Was the entire ship "grown", and actually a living thing? Were they able to somehow fuse their bodies with machines? Were they, in fact, machines that had become so advanced that they had "evolved" into a mechanical version of a living organism? All of this is simply discarded in Prometheus in favor of something FAR less interesting, and frankly a simple attempt at trying to be 2001: A Space Odyssey.

  • June 11, 2012, 11:26 p.m. CST

    After seeing it again...

    by AttackingClone

    Just saw it for a 2nd time, in 3D this time (didn't add anything, save your money) and it was a lot more satisfying knowing you wouldn't get straight out ALIEN tie in and answers. Very good movie. Best reasoning I can come up with for the lack of definite tie in was because of the complaints (and probable problems) that came up with X-men 1st Class. People complained that it all felt too convenient in the end that it seemed forced to have everyone where we knew they would be (in 20 years time) and makes the sequel have to backstep on some of those decisions. I think they really want to make 1 or 2 more Prometheus films and needed to leave somewhere to go.

  • June 11, 2012, 11:28 p.m. CST

    "I’m a businessman"

    by Doctor Bumhole

    Christ, what happened to you, Ridley? Oh, wait, I forgot, you've been a shill since the early nineties.

  • June 11, 2012, 11:32 p.m. CST

    ironhelix

    by Anthrax

    Pretty sure that's the first time I've heard that theory. For whatever that's worth. One of the inherent problems with any prequel is that the answers provided won't be congruous with the answers the audience has conjured for themselves.

  • June 11, 2012, 11:33 p.m. CST

    There weren't any plothole

    by maxcherry

  • June 11, 2012, 11:35 p.m. CST

    There weren't any plot holes, it was a moral sci fi tale...

    by maxcherry

    about not always being able to find the answers, and if you can't get that then you're just plain stupid.

  • June 11, 2012, 11:41 p.m. CST

    No one's gonna say anything about that Bladerunner description now?

    by Aidil_Afham

    I think that's the only thing I'm excited about in this interview. I love Prometheus, there'll be an extended cut of course, why is everyone acting surprised?

  • June 11, 2012, 11:42 p.m. CST

    anthrax:

    by Ironhelix

    Dallas actually says "it looks like it's grown out of the chair" when he climbs up to get a better look at the Space Jockey in ALIEN. Now, you can say that "looks like it's grown out of the chair" does not equal "it IS grown out of the chair", but in movie terms, the audience is supposed to infer that the Space Jockey is indeed "grown out of the chair". As for the actual ALIEN, Ash comments that the facehugger has a habit of shedding it's cells and replacing them with polarized silicon, which is NOT an organic compound, and further suggests a possible non-organic component to these life forms. Giger's own work from which the ALIEN is taken, is described by him to be bio-mechanical in nature, and the ALIEN in the movie is clearly shown with mechanical elements such as shiny metal teeth. Now, I find this possibility of a being that is somehow grown into the ship, or IS the ship, or whatever you might speculate, to be FAR more interesting than any episode of "Ancient Aliens" from the fucking History Channel, which is what we ended up with. Just wondering why they totally abandoned the whole idea.

  • Maybe it kept slipping off. A chinstrap is probably the answer. Sir Ridley, if you are reading this, I hope you can correct this rather glaring hole in an otherwise logically watertight screenplay.

  • June 11, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST

    @totalreality, taking of the helmets is explained….

    by maxcherry

    they had devices that told them whether air was breathable and if anything had contagions. It's that simple and it flew right over your head like the rest of the movie.

  • June 11, 2012, 11:51 p.m. CST

    It doesn't fail because the film is too deep...

    by Tiredtot

    ...it fails at basic character logic. Let's see... We've got 2 characters, a mohawked douche and a hoodied nerd. The md hates the hn. He's doing it just for the money, leave him alone! "Whoa, a dead alien that's been dead for 2000 years! I'm getting out of here! Shaw,you are a dumb c! You are going to kill us all, chasing around these things! I'm getting the f out of here! And I'm really overly angry!" - md "I'm scared as well! I'm leaving too! Even though I'm a biologist and this is what I've been paid and trained for, and this douche hates me!" - hn Later... "We're lost, even though I was in charge of the map. I wish someone from the ship or from our party would help us!" - md "Yeah." - hn Later... "Man, I think we should go back to the place where we were scared s-less and hangout until we can be rescued." - md "Sounds great. Hey look, a living alien! You know how before when we got scared s-less at seeing a dead alien and got the f out of there? Well, I got an idea, I think living aliens are safer to be around than dead ones! Especially we the living ones look like a cobra ready to strike! Let me pet the pretty!" - hn "Yeah, you know how I used to yell and get freaked out at any little thing? Well now, I'm not quite sure about this idea of yours, but if you want to stroke it go ahead and I won't raise too much hell about it!" - md FUCKING stupid. Truly. Zero excuses can be made for this.

  • June 11, 2012, 11:55 p.m. CST

    It's pretty obvious that there were def issues with this film...

    by Michael

    but the more I think about it and see everyone debate over it, the more I like it. The biggest issue I have however, is how did they just happen to find and land at the exact launch dome on an entire weapons depot planet exactly where there was a ship pre-programmed to head to Earth? Not all of the ships were planned to head to Earth right? If this is coincidence, then this is totally unbelievable.

  • Sadly, this movie was made for them, and that's why they defend it.

  • June 11, 2012, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Helix

    by Anthrax

    I totally don't remember that line from Dallas. Interesting. I'll have to look out for it the next time I watch Alien. I do remember that line from Ash. It's one of the big ones I point to whenever I bring up the "Aliens are some sort of bio-mechanical weapon." theory. I don't think I ever thought of the Jockeys and the aliens being related other than the normal weapon/user relationship.

  • June 11, 2012, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Holy crap, really? (aka why David infects Holloway)

    by fzammetti

    I can't BELIEVE people are picking this up: David infects Holloway for one very simple reason: his MAIN focus on this mission is to find a way to extend Waylan's life. Whatever other motivations may have developed on the trip we can debate, but that was his purpose in all of this. He infects Holloway simply because he needs to find out if the black goo fulfills his mission (one assumes he had reason to believe it was, I'd bet he understood a lot more of the writing on the walls then he led on and that gave him the clues to believe that). This was really one of the more obvious plot points in the whole thing. If you missed it you REALLY need to just go watch Madagascar 3 because that's roughly where you intelligence level is apparently at.

  • June 11, 2012, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Err...

    by fzammetti

    I meant "people ARE NOT picking this up". D'oh.

  • ...however, they DID abandon those themes when they decided to make the Space Jockey nothing more than a space suit. I am still beside myself with awe as to why they would not follow through with a set-up like that.

  • June 12, 2012, 12:02 a.m. CST

    @maxcherry

    by xbagboy

    If you think you are intelligent cause you like and "got" Prometheus that's great just kid, your parents must be really proud of you. It's fine if you like the movie but saying people didn't get it cause we disagree with you is just lazy thinking. I just didn't care for the characters and there are plenty books and other movies that tackle this subject so it's nothing original. Glad you were satisfied.

  • June 12, 2012, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Iron Helix you infered wrong!

    by JarJar25

    That alien in Alien was different like you say, because the delerlict was a different ship from another convoy. The black goo can be made into almost any kind of creature, but the stuff used in Prometheus had not been developed yet for military purposes. The engineer that died was grown out of that chair in Alien, because that ship had been their for thousands of years, if not one hundred thousand years ago. It can be infered like you said, that the engineers had other military outpost around the galaxy, and not just the one in Promethues. Either way, this film is not going away, so fucking deal with it. Just like Alien, cinema has changed because of this film, and so have you!

  • June 12, 2012, 12:03 a.m. CST

    tiredtot...yep.

    by rhizomeman

    When I saw that scene it immediately took me out of the movie (which I thought was pretty good up until then). But then, so many other moments of non-believable human behavior and I realized I was looking at a movie, not experiencing it.

  • June 12, 2012, 12:03 a.m. CST

    It's a goddamn prequel.

    by Nik

    C'mon people, you're better than this. Don't let these AICN "critics" influence you.

  • June 12, 2012, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Who cares!

    by D o o d

    I did not like this movie. It started of promising, looks fantastic but in the end was a forgettable piece of nonsense!

  • As long as they're running 2001 on the train, I'm there, as long as the train is heading AWAY from Prometheus.

  • June 12, 2012, 12:12 a.m. CST

    anthrax: Here's how I always imagined it...

    by Ironhelix

    ...The derelict ship, and it's Space Jockey pilot, were actually a living, bio-engineered spacecraft, grown by a race of beings who's technology had reached a point where they could combine flesh and machine to "grow" anything they like. It's pretty clear (at least in ALIEN) that the ship was made from the same stuff that the Jockey was, and I had always just assumed that he WAS the ship. It's literally difficult to tell where the Jockey begins and the ship ends. I believe that this was intentional. I also believe that it was intentional that the actual ALIEN shared many of the same characteristics as the ship and the Space Jockey, which means that they were related somehow. Were they an experiment gone wrong? Was the Space Jockey taking them somewhere where they couldn't harm anyone else? Or was it something more sinister?

  • ...and it didn't have anything to do with this "ancient aliens" nonsense. Prometheus is the result of some shitty writer being allowed to run wherever he wanted to with the story, and Scott just let him, because he's a fucking whore for the industry. Just like he admits in this article.

  • i'm complaining about their reasoning for disliking it. Like I stated before, this was a sci fi moral tale about not being able to find all the answers. Sorry if you didn't get that. You can say you don't like the concept, but you can't call it a plot hole. Point is the haters wanted another Alien movie.

  • June 12, 2012, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Blade Runner 2

    by PedroM

    Still haven't seen Prometheus myself, but I'm kind of worried about BR2. And yes, RS needs to get pissed again to deliver the goods but it may be too late since he doesn't need to prove nothing to anybody. He at least should get David Peoples to write BR2 if he still hasnt to prove he didn't "lose it".

  • Seriously? A philosopher from Harvard who translated Heidegger and lectured at MIT vs someone who claims their job is to "put bums in seats"? Prometheus was like a 13 year old boy trying his hand at philosophy after watching Stargate. A serious philospohical joke which raises no original questions whatsoever. Tree of Life theorizes the origin of compassion in the natural world, while Prometheus theorizes "hey what if, like, humans were made by aliens, but the aliens get pissed at us because we like start worshiping Jesus and then they like want to kill us by making the alien from Alien, but then the alien goes bad and then like the girl with the dragon tattoo and Magneto go to like their moon like 2,000 years later and one dude gets killed by a teenage mutant ninja worm and another dude gets turned into a zombie from like Dawn of the Dead and like Charlize Theron bangs Stringer Bell and then like the girl with the dragon tattoo gets pregnant with a squid that lays alien eggs in the other alien and the girl with the dragon tattoo totally travels in space with a stolen spaceship controlled by a flute with the head of Magneto in a bag telling her where to go." On second thought, yes, Prometheus is a genius work of art, I stand corrected.

  • June 12, 2012, 12:44 a.m. CST

    @obijuanmartinez: Are you SERIOUSLY that stupid? It...

    by dasheight

    ...made $50 million opening weekend - an R-rated science fiction film - the "Madagascar" sequel only beat it by $1 million - and it only did that because it was a FAMILY FILM that, because of its PG-rating and LINEAGE, as a sequel, brought in KIDS all over the place. Do I really need to explain to you why a) an already popular family film sequel will make more money than an R-rated, heavy-themed science fiction film? It's called MATH. And b) does it really need to be explained to you that a $125 million-priced R-rated science fiction film making a whopping $50 million on its opening weekend and only missing the top spot by $1 million to a family-film sequel is MORE than impressive? Not to mention, he wasn't talking about the "masses" - he was talking about the CRITICS - and it was a 74% rating on RT from the critics, which means that the reviews were overwhelmingly positive-to-mixed, which is a hell of a lot better than the reviews were for "Blade Runner" when it was released. Seriously - LEARN MATH. And your obsession with attacking this movie is starting to look like desperation. Sure, the movie has flaws. SO WHAT? Audiences OBVIOUSLY LOVED it, or it wouldn't have made $50 MILLION on its opening weekend, only narrowly losing the top spot by a single mil to a family-film prequel that was expected to best it by a hell of a lot more than that, given the DEMOGRAPHIC discrepancy. Jesus Christ, your comments read like it gets you off to attack this movie.

  • June 12, 2012, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Audiences LOVED IT.

    by Ironhelix

    And that's EXACTLY why Transformers swept the Oscars.

  • June 12, 2012, 1:30 a.m. CST

    #1 problem in the world is religion?? WTF Cmon...

    by pax256

    SOME of us do religion once maybe twice a week on a workday and only *when* were *done*. ALL of us do economics at least 5-6 days a week some of us 7 in a system that still has at least one if not 2 feet still inside the fucking jungle that we should have all left at least 5 thousand years ago. FFS religion? The cult of religion 99% of the time is so fucking boring its its own worst enemy. ECONOMICS is what is fucking us up. Utterly and completely its polluted *everything* else we do. From politics to science to our social compacts at all levels and yes even religion is completely submissive to economics and money. Jesus got pissed once and it was over money. For someone who did Blade Runner, my favorite movie of all time still, THE modern day diatribe against our everlasting love of slavery in the name of money, and Alein which was a decades long running rant on the plutocratic corporatocracy I think Ridley may have misspoken just a tad fucking bit. You're still my #2 director Ridley just behind Michael Mann but fucks sakes man... get a grip and dont fall for that stupid modern day media driven atheist hysteria.

  • June 12, 2012, 1:48 a.m. CST

    chief joseph

    by Jeremy

    Hey man, I get where you're coming from with your argument. For the record, earlier on in this discussion I posted my problems with Prometheus. I'd give it a 7/10 so overall I liked it but definitely had some problems with it. I'm just saying some of the issues people bring up aren't really issues at all. Michael Bay didn't tell us who created the Transformers, nor did he even flirt with the idea of a creator for the Transformers so that example is not pertinent. I never called Ridley a genius. I think he's a very talented filmmaker who is at the mercy of his scripts. But I do think there is a point in that nobody would've made the Alien film today the way the script is. They would have delved deeper into the mystery of the Engineer whether or not the Engineer was important to the overall story. I don't hate the fact that Prometheus pulls the veil back on the Engineer from the original Alien for one reason, he at least leaves us other questions to ponder. The anti- example is the Star Wars prequels. Lucas answered all the fanboy questions but never gave us any new questions, resulting in the Star Wars universe feeling small compared to our imaginations. If anything, Prometheus opened up the world of Alien for me. Sure, the film wasn't perfect, but I have to give it credit for that.

  • June 12, 2012, 2:01 a.m. CST

    64% on Metacritic

    by catlettuce4

  • June 12, 2012, 2:11 a.m. CST

    I never wondered much about the Aliens.

    by Chief Joseph

    I always imagined they evolved naturally on a very hostile planet. They were probably at the top of their food chain. I imagined that they got spread around through space by stowing away on spaceships like rats. The space jockey's origin only interested me a little. Some say that the prequels made the Star Wars universe smaller. By making the Space Jockeys man's creator, Prometheus has done the same to Alien.

  • June 12, 2012, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Watch Red Letter Media's "sort-of" review. It's all true.

    by Pixelsmack

    For real. I have ZERO faith in Ridley's next Bladerunner.

  • June 12, 2012, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Religion IS the #1 problem in the world

    by Lone Fox

    At least half the population of the planet waste a huge portion of their lives worshipping whichever imaginary god they choose to believe in. That is a serious problem.

  • June 12, 2012, 4:26 a.m. CST

    Prometheus was a disaster.

    by Volllllume3

    I got the movie. I know what it was trying to accomplish. I'm not a fucking moron. Just because I know what it was trying to do doesn't make it any less retarded! Game over, Ridley. Game over.

  • June 12, 2012, 4:49 a.m. CST

    LandingSite does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    A recurring nitpick or plot hole seems to be how did the spaceship arrive at the right place on the planet? In simple terms the answer to this is that movies have a limited run time and you have to expedite constantly. An extra sequence showing them searching for the engineer site would perhaps not be the best use of screen time. I can offer a more informed answer tho. I have some insight into how oil companies know where to look. The tech used, here in 2012, is staggeringly impressive. Almost appearing like sci fi to the layman - as the internal crust of the earth is accurately mapped many miles below the surface and topographies analysed to predict precisely where the oil is located. If this possible in our day and age then the notion that in the future a science team would be able to scan a planet to locate a cluster of buildings and landing strip amidst the natural topography is not a stretch at all. In fact I believe that computer algorithms already in existence would be able to achieve this within a mapped environment. Hope this helps.

  • June 12, 2012, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Lone fox, that's just pure excrement

    by SminkyPinky

    I'm agnostic nowadays but for so many people religion or a faith of some kind is what keeps the fear and terror of oblivion at bay. My parents go to church every week. Are they idiots or bad people? No. They are loving, tolerant people who disapprove of the divisions that some religious teachings spread. They are able to think for themselves. Now, what a lot of people do in the name of religion and dogma is wrong but to say that belief or faith is a waste is completely wrong and is as misjudged as religious extremism in the world. NO ONE has the right to tell anyone that their faith is a waste of time. Regardless of whether it's true or not, we need emotional crutches of one kind or another, be they faith, drink, myths, drugs or yet to be proven scientific theory (y'know, something that drives us and keeps us from nihilism...). The examples I just gave might not sit well in context with each other but they essentially help prop certain needs in certain people. And, like that arrogant and intolerant twat Richard Dawkins (who is as bad as the Christian Right in his views) and other hardcore athiests, you cannot sit there and pontificate about other people being wrong when you plainly have no wish to understand how human beings work emotionally.

  • ... then you're a "hater", a "retard", a "retarded pussy", etc etc. Wow, strong rational arguments from the "lovers".

  • I meant "objective criticism", obviously. I still have this dialogue gem stuck in my head: Someone: "Look, it's a painting!" Shaw: "No, it's a mural." /facepalm Seriously, Ridley... you signed off on this script?

  • o_O

  • Nazca Lines, you idiots. You can, like, see them from space. They're landing strips for spaceships. :-P

  • Not to mention the extremely different atmosphere from outside despite no sign of any airlocks. Do you have any idea how utterly invasive a 3% CO2 planetary atmosphere would be in terms of saturating that lil open-air building? You cannot have any openings which are not air tight. The flow amounts of "breathable" mixture would have to be wind-tunnel velocity blowing out of all opening in the structure to prevent the outdoor mixture from easily permeating the entire structure. Oh, and CO2 is heavier the O2 and will always rapdily diffuse throughout any volume of air, further pushing into the OPEN HOLE IN THE BUILDING OVER THEIR HEADS. Morons. ... oh look! they were wrong ... Playing with totally unknown organisms, whereas in Real Life you put on isolated protective gear just to look at space rocks or viruses. And you put on protective gloves or use tools to handle even familiar animals on Earth and to keep them at a safe distance like, oh I'll just make a wild stab, snakes. ... oh look! they were wrong ... Getting lost despite being the mapping guy who - you'd think - has some clue about, you know, mapping. Oh, and the ship is in radio contact and they have a full 3D model of the place AND locators showing them exactly where those two whining assholes are standing. You think they could - oh, I don't know - lead them outside? ... oh look! they were wrong ... Sticking an electric needle into a just-discovered 2,000-year old preserved head. Because - you know - that's the first thing real archaeologists do to mummies and preserved bodies they find, stick a needle in their head to violate the sample integrity and flow electrivity into it before running any tests of any kind. Because it's not like they were in a lab or anything, and its not like they had 5 minutes to spend taking a tiny flesh sample first to see how running current through it would react, since they had just discovered an organic head was inside an outer helmet. Yes, I believe we must rush right into the needle sticking procedure to, um, well I'm not sure what ridiculous effect they would call success from doing that anyway. Reminded me of taking the temperature of a Thanksgiving turkey. ... oh look! they were wrong ... The movie is full of awful, stupid crap like this that no "Director's Cut" can possibly salvage. It's just like that crappy "The Thing" remake that they coincidentally also said isn't a remake, yet copied the same plot practically in a hugely inferior way as did prometheus (I mean c'mon, land, investigate, get infected, get onto the ship, kill people off, have the heroine the sole survivor, end with her in spacehip and "last survivor of" voice narration).

  • June 12, 2012, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Cue Downfall/Hitler/Prometheus parody video 1, 2, 3...

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    It's bound to happen. You know it will.

  • June 12, 2012, 5:14 a.m. CST

    "The reviews are the same as Blade Runner and Alien?"

    by JABlank

    No they're not - its the reverse situation. Blade Runner and Alien are accomplished (if not perfect), very 'modern'-feeling movies that mainstream critics just didn't 'get' at first release. But audiences found them on video and re-release, and quickly recognised them as classics. By contrast, Prometheus is getting a free pass from lots of reviewers who consistently say its good, despite many flaws. However, a sizable sector of the audience are shocked by the problems of Prometheus, and recognise the movie as a dog. Critics hated Alien, but audiences embraced it. Critics like Prometheus, but audiences... not so much. Sure, some of you like it as much as I hate it, but I don't think I'm in the minority.

  • June 12, 2012, 5:36 a.m. CST

    How Anti-Lucas of you Scott, Hahaha!

    by Orionsangels

  • June 12, 2012, 5:36 a.m. CST

    "Screw the audience"...? We hear you. Loud and clear.

    by Aiden Blackwell

  • Notice how religion is used to make people subservient and controlled. Fox News uses it for political motivations. You control the people, you control their actions. You don't understand how human beings work emotionally if you state religion as something that is good for them. The whole point is to get them emotionally, to use morals (not created by religion by the way) to trick them into thinking that they are doing good by following this bullshit. The most fucked up people that lie through their whole life are religious. Notice how people are fucking idiots that come from small towns that believe in religion. Religion is who they are. They think simply that they are protected by an invisible entity and whatever actions they take are not wrong because, "Daddy did it and he believes in God and he told me, so its right." You are utterly clueless if you defend religion.

  • June 12, 2012, 5:44 a.m. CST

    Grosses, Prometheus vs Aliens

    by Dead_Kate_Moss

    Aliens took $140 million in its first week. That's $275 adjusted for inflation (and it opened on fewer screens). Prometheus has taken $50 million in its first week, and looks set to drop substantially after poor word of mouth, while Aliens climbed substantially. Just for the record, as someone compared the two erroneously previously. There will be no sequel, so well done if the intention was to fill the film full of plot-holes that will be explained in the next one (not sure in which of the several Prometheus threads, so apologies that this is a repost from a another)

  • June 12, 2012, 5:51 a.m. CST

    by ufoclub1977

    http://www.abload.de/img/tumblr_lmlssnxesx1qdehoumm.gif

  • June 12, 2012, 5:56 a.m. CST

    Ridley Scott hates people who wear hoodies!!!

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    In Prometheus, everyone who wore a hoodie died a horrible death. It's official -- Ridley Scott is one of those grumpy old men who complains about kids wearing hoodies indoors at shopping malls.

  • June 12, 2012, 6:10 a.m. CST

    Spelling Out

    by lagomorph

    All children want to kill their fathers. The Engineers made us in their image, were proud of us in our infancy and we matured into a bloodthirsty plague on our planet and eventually a threat to the galaxy. Isn't that all there in the movie? What's so mysterious about it? They saw us go into space, they saw us use a nuclear bomb... the end?

  • June 12, 2012, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Prometheus, noble faiilure

    by The_comic

    The most prevalent theme is human as alien/Alien. The opening sequence shows a space jockey/engineer dying, his DNA entering Earth’s eco system eventually creating humanity. Whether this is accidental or deliberate is not explained. However it lays the foundation for this first theme. That humans are themselves alien in origin, this subverts the title of the film Alien, making the concept of Aliens ironic opening up a commentary that humans and aliens are interchangeable and ultimately that the relentless and brutal efficiency of the Alien is something echoed in humanity. Examples of humans behaving like the Alien include Vickers burning of Holloway, Holloway’s contempt for David and the naming of the primordial soup of the Alien species as “weapons of mass destruction”. The Alien space jockey is revealed to be an elaborate space suit, literally the alien is a human, the revelation that the engineers only plans for humanity were to exterminate them suggest that the human and Alien failings are equally present in the engineers. Each species willing to eradicate the other in an apocalyptic game of rock paper, scissors. All this suggests that the engineers, Aliens, humans, and even androids are interchangeable; there are no true aliens, only degrees of separation from a dominant and flawed parent DNA, each as rogue and as capable of destruction as the last. The second theme is artificial or unnatural reproduction; this echoes the central theme of Frankenstein (itself subtitled The Modern Prometheus), where Victor Frankenstein’s efforts to create life go disastrously wrong. Examples of creating life are numerous in Prometheus, firstly the ambiguity of the creation of humanity in the film’s opening scene, Weyland’s creation of the android David whom he refers to as his son. Most graphically the Alien foetus conceived in a deceitful ménage a trois between David, Shaw and Holloway. David, the creation of humanity, itself a creation of the engineers, deliberately infects Holloway with Alien DNA, his infection literally manifests as a parasitic glint in Holloway’s eye. Holloway later sleeps with Shaw, who is unable to conceive, and the result of this, less than immaculate conception, is a giant baby facehugger which later spawns the Alien queen from Aliens. The theme is less powerful than it should be as it is lost amidst plot contrivances and contradictions. David is Weyland’s son whilst the emotionless Vickers is also revealed as Weyland’s daughter. The juxtaposition between David and Vickers could have been a rich exploration of the nature of emotion, family and dysfunction, instead it is reduced to a minor plot revelation that elicits little value. The reasons for Weyland publicly acknowledging David as his son whilst his daughter’s identity is kept secret is not revealed or hinted at. The culmination of Weyland’s arc, where he seeks to avoid reproduction altogether by living forever with the aid of the engineers is equally short lived as he is revealed to his children and then almost immediately murdered by his maker. Parenthood has never been so dangerous. The theme of artificial reproduction exists in tandem with another theme, that of abortion. Despite being unable to conceive David reveals to Shaw that she is three months pregnant, realising this is a parasitic alien Shaw uses a medical pod to have the creature removed. The scene is graphic, shocking and tense and works as a parallel to the original chestbursting scene in Alien. Shaw is disgusted and fearful of the creature inside her, a creature that in part shares her DNA and that of her lover Holloway. The conclusion must be that the engineer’s desire to eradicate humanity is born of the same disgust at the bastardised and primitive result of their accidental reproduction. This theme dovetails with that of human as alien in which each race is equally disgusted with its progeny. As David watches Shaw’s (electric) dreams in the film’s opening scenes it is revealed that she is a woman of faith, a faith that is ultimately tested by the nature of the engineers she seeks. That the gods she seeks are merely other humans, and with David turning creater himself by infecting Holloway there is an unholy trinity of the father/engineer, the son/David and the holy spirit/alien DNA the result is a shocked Adam and Eve with a Cain but no Abel. That the faithless Holloway ends up burning to death whilst the faithful Shaw ascends to the skies seems a simplistic resolution, however it’s the only one the film offers. David’s redemption, in aiding Shaw, is not fully explored or explained nor is the invitation from the engineers painted on cave walls. Far from replacing God with the engineers the whole question is simply avoided if we were created by the engineers, who created them? What was terrifying and killing the engineers in the holographic scenes in the caves? The questions of faith and soul are the least developed in the film, but with cave paintings and David moved by Lawrence of Arabia in the film’s opening scenes it’s the theme that showed the most promise initially. To anyone unclear on whether this is a prequel or not the answer is simple it is. The prequel should serve two purposes 1, to explain or provide a backstory 2, to subvert that backstory. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom takes place before Raiders of the Lost Ark however it is not a prequel, simply a film featuring the same character in a different and unrelated story. However the opening to Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade is a prequel to both prior instalments as it, albeit ham-fistedly, explains the origins of Indy’s fedora, whip and ophidiphobia. Prometheus shows the origins of the Alien species and answers how the Weyland corporation got wind of the Alien’s existence. By showing the Alien looking space jockey as human and subverting the relationship between humanity and the Alien Prometheus subverts our prior understanding of the Alien universe. Moreover without the ties to the Alien saga Prometheus would be a weaker film, it is the connection to Alien that gives the film any direction, perhaps it is a worse film for being a prequel? Well performed, lovingly crafted and enjoyable it’s a shame that the thematic density is betrayed by the silliness of the story, the numerous plot contrivances and the level of attention each theme is given and the lack of any meaningful perspective, exploration or resolution. Like Shaw and Holloway the film initially poses existential questions however the answers are unmistakeably Alien in their DNA, people get killed by acid blood and chestbursters and the plucky woman and robot head live to be imperilled in the next one. A beautiful and possibly pretentious disappointment that I can’t wait to get on Blu Ray just to watch David shoot hoops.

  • June 12, 2012, 6:32 a.m. CST

    Complex themes...

    by JABlank

    OK, so one of the defences of the movie is that its about 'big themes' or that its smarter than the haters suggest. What are the themes? Well, the movie starts with an engineer using some genetic tech to destroy his own body on an ancient Earth (is that made explicit?) which leads to the creation of DNA, and, we can assume, human life. Theme 1 - the jockeys create life through destruction and sacrifice. This theme is dealt with in a number of other ways. The android David was created by humans, and ponders his own nature. By the end, he seems to have decided to destroy his maker. The alien is slowly forged out of a process of death and rebirth. Also, Shaw is sterile, but the alien tech creates life in her womb, but its awful, and she has to destroy it. Which leads us to... Theme 2 - you may want to destroy the thing you have created - that is, the Gods may not be benign. The jockeys seem to want to destroy humanity, or at least sacrifice them to create something else. Shaw wants to get rid of the squid. The father Weyland seems like kind of an ass, who doesn't like his daughter and is willing to sacrifice her. Theme 3 - death and sacrifice is a natural part of the order of the universe. The first engineer dies, the alien is the product of endless death and rebirth, we are told, 'a king has his reign and then dies.' Weyland is trying to break with the natural order and is punished. Theme 4 - what do our makers want? Shaw believes there is a divine order to the universe. She seems to discover that that order is not what she anticipated -they want us to die so other things may live. So, the core theme is the realisation that we as individuals are part of a larger process, that our lives don't matter, and that we will die, but others live on. Although she never gets to be a parent, Shaw, then, learns what being a parent really means. Arguably, the black goo seems to generate biological weapons out of human bodies - they are the next stage of our evolution as far as the jockeys are concerned. There's some minor suggestion that androids may be the natural inheritors of humankind's legacy. Either way, we were created to die, by evolutionary imperatives, and for some reason the film suggests we must fight against them. These are the themes presented on the surface of the movie. They do not strike me as complex or particularly well explored - although there is some unity across different storylines. In fact, the action stuff at the end seems to compromise the theme of death and rebirth. More than that, the themes do not stop the movie being poorly constructed or written - and actually they seem oddly abstract and inhuman. They're not profound because characters state the themes directly but don't 'feel' them, if you know what I mean. If you are defending the movie as being 'deep' please do respond if I've missed something. I really, honestly, don't get why anyone would defend this movie as being smart.

  • June 12, 2012, 6:41 a.m. CST

    Movie

    by Party_Animal_IV

    This movie was excellent. Anyone whining about this film should go sit in a room and watch Battleship and Transformers 2 on repeat for a week. Then spend some time reflecting on what you have learned. Seriously, this film is great. If you think it has problems? Problems compared to WHAT exactly? What standards are you holding this to? I know, there's always some d-bag who whines about the Dark Knight plot holes or how Drive didn't have enough driving or didn't get mind blown by Children of Men. Fine. I get it. You will hate the film no matter what. You are angry that there was no Jar Jar Binks or nuclear-proof fridge in the film. Prometheus is clearly chopped down but even so, it delivers a complete well thought out story with well written dialogue and rich interesting characters. Executed with masterful precision, no moment or detail wasted. Half the reviews I see I wonder what the hell film they were watching, certainly not the one I saw. What the hell is wrong with you people? If you don't like this film, may Tim Burton and Johnny Depp collaborate on a remake of the entire Twilight saga and you be forced to watch ALL of it in one sitting.

  • June 12, 2012, 6:43 a.m. CST

    YOU KNOW WHAT I HATE MOST?

    by Dead_Kate_Moss

    The idea that like in the AvP movies, the Aliens (or anyone to do with them) ever had any knowledge or involvement in Earth. Much better that they are truly Alien species we've never encountered. SCARIER.

  • And you don't see that as a problem. Jesus Christ. No, your parents aren't idiots or bad people. But they ARE wasting their time. Judging by your opinion of Richard Dawkins, so are you. 'Agnostic'. Have an opinion!

  • Don't drink all the Kool Aid, party_animal_iv, save some for others.

  • This is why he was seeking the Engineers, so they could heal him. Yep. People who think that do exist.

  • June 12, 2012, 7:06 a.m. CST

    This comparing the reviews meme is silly

    by lv_426

    A L I E N was made over 30 years age, at that time by an unknown dude named Ridley Scott. Blade Runner was released 30 years ago. It was also directed by a guy named Ridley Scott, who had become somewhat famous but not legendary yet, due to Alien. Step inside your hypersleep capsule and fast forward to... now. Prometheus is made and released by one of our most legendary directors still working today. Sir Ridley Scott. Oscar winning director Sir Ridley Scott to boot. Prometheus is also a new film in a series of films that has become one of science fiction cinema's most iconic. I'd say the situation and expectations surrounding Prometheus are pretty fucking different than the situations and expectations surrounding both Alien and Blade Runner when they were first released. Comparing the reviews between The Terminator and Titanic, and using that data to proclaim someone who doesn't agree with your opinion of either film a whiny idiot would be equally pointless. Oh, how about in the next Hobbit talkback we'll compare the reviews for Meet The Feebles against those for The Lord of the Rings? Let's compare the reviews for Taxi Driver with those of Hugo.

  • June 12, 2012, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Again, stop comparing this to 2001

    by FluffyUnbound

    The aliens in 2001 are perfectly straightforward and reasonable compared to this mess. The opening 'sacrifice' scene makes no sense. It's a rip-off of the 'reveal' scene in MISSION TO MARS, so I guess that's no surprise. If the Sacrifice Engineer is seeding a lifeless Earth with his DNA, it's utterly and absolutely moronic and absurd that a few hundred million years of evolution later we'd have identical DNA to the Engineer. If it's not a lifeless Earth, but is relatively historically recent, and he's not seeding Earth with life but doing something to specifically bring humans into being, dissolving himself into the water seems like a ridiculous way to go about it. Especially since he uses the black goo to do it. If the black goo ends up in Earth's biosphere, where are all the monsters? By comparison, the 2001 Dawn of Man scene at least has proto-humans AROUND, who physically interact with the monolith. The monolith intervenes in evolution by altering one sample population and raising its intelligence. Despite the fact that the mechanism the monolith uses is unexplained, this is still VASTLY more reasonable than asking us to believe that you could drop a biological weapon on a lifeless planet and end up with an exact genetic copy of yourself walking around a few hundred million years later. Can you imagine the level of micromanagement it would require to make sure Earth's evolution didn't go off on any tangents? DNA subjected to random mutation and environmental change isn't going to advance in a predictable line. And then the aliens hang around and pal around with us enough to take personal offense at our theological development. That's a pretty sizable enterprise. These aliens are micromanaging evolution and human social development, and interacting with us enough to be able to distinguish tiny shifts in the content of our religions - and they're doing this with one or two ships? Really? They invest millions of years of time and energy into stage managing events on Earth, and it's all a couple of tall guys from ONE base? They must have pretty long lifespans. And they invest millions of years into a project, and declare it a failure because of changes in human social and theological development that take place over what amounts to a couple of hundred years? Fucking PLEASE. That's like junking a million-year-long software project because somebody wrote two or three bad lines of code. All they would need to do is have one of their guys make an appearance as Apollo and do a little technological magic and it would stop any alternative religious development butt cold. The nature religions disappeared because their priests and shamans were full of shit. They couldn't actually do magic and were just faking it. If Giant Alien Magic Doing Dude had actually been AROUND, dazzling the savages with his technology, the mystery religions would not have developed.

  • June 12, 2012, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Not running sideways: because

    by TheManBehindTheMask

    They are not running sideways because there are massive debrits of the ships falling both on their right and left. So, yes, it looks a bit silly on screen, but I think it's logical that they are hesitating to take that risk.

  • June 12, 2012, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Jablank

    by The_comic

    No thats pretty much it. Its not smart, it could have been though. I did enjoy it and I would watch it again but thats not a defense of it.

  • June 12, 2012, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Was that tentacled thing at the end a Shoggoth?

    by Jason

    As in a Shoggoth from Lovecraft's At the Mountains of Madness? Looked a lot like one.

  • June 12, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST

    What Sir Ridley Scott is communicating.

    by NeonFrisbee

    "I couldn't get this new sci-fi movie idea off the ground without awkwardly connecting it to a successful franchise from the past. Sadly, I hired one of the worst script writers in the world to throw it together. I guess I should've cared more, but, you know, I'm, like 70+ years old and rich beyond any of your dreams so, what difference does it make?" I hear this going to be on the bluray commentary.

  • June 12, 2012, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Chauncey, cool post about 2001.

    by Autodidact

    I understood the trip. Just not specifically what was meant to be happening, in the literal on-screen sense, during the part where he's in the luxurious room with the monolith at the foot of his bed... what, in the physical world sci-fi sense is meant to be happening there I can't say. I have this problem when discussing the Matrix a lot. People want to explain the on-screen events with the metaphor that overarches them ("Neo is Buddah" does not give a sci-fi, on-screen explanation of why white light emanates from him in the "real" world when smith is purged at the source. "Neo's nervous system is being overloaded by electrical impulses and the directors are using artistic license in representing it" is.)

  • June 12, 2012, 8:31 a.m. CST

    .. "does"

    by Autodidact

    I can never get these things right the first time.

  • All they do is send out a signal to the aliens when they detect certain stages of development in mankind. The monoliths are self-replicating, dimension-hopping superintelligent probes of the aliens. But the ones on earth and moon were basically just waiting to send out a notifcation. The giant one around Jupiter acts as a stargate for David Bowman to enter, and he emerges as a starchild. But the earth and moon ones are just alarms.

  • June 12, 2012, 8:43 a.m. CST

    @lv_426

    by toxicopoulus

    Yes, let's compare. Terminator received almost universal praise and was lauded as ground-breaking in that it had a damsel in distress who developed into a capable heroine. Read ebert's original review. It also did surprising box office for what was essentially a B movie; so much that it paved the way for Cameron to get his hands on Aliens. Taxi driver not only got rave reviews and tremendous box-office but it garnered an oscar nomination for Jodi Foster. Alien and Blade runner? not so much. So apparently you weren't aware of this when you're making you complaints about the relative receptions of these films. peace

  • June 12, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Yes I also believe the engineers =suit= was part of his body

    by Jaster Mareel

    I remember his neck looking like it blended in with it. This explains why the xenomorphs in the subsequent films are 8 feet tall, very strong and have that mechanical looking flesh.

  • Just shut the fuck up! It doesn't matter what the old reviews for previous movies said. That was the point of LV's comment. It doesn't matter what they fucking said. You dim cunt. Also, Cameron was already writing ALIENS before Terminator was even released.

  • June 12, 2012, 8:50 a.m. CST

    @toxicopoulus, I don't know what you two are arguing about...

    by Jaster Mareel

    But if you're trying to say The Terminator made more money than ALIEN, you are wrong. The Terminator $78M worldwide http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=terminator.htm ALIEN $104M worldwide http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=alien.htm

  • An observation: Reading is Fundamental Math hardly comes into play here (I’m an engineer by day, so in fact it’s somewhat of a requirement). I have no doubt Sir Ridders will make bank and then some once the home video / download dust clears on Prometheus. I was having a wee poke at Madagascar 3 (not Madagascar 1, nor 2…the THIRD installment) beating out the “genius” epic that (you say) is Prometheus. When you’re losing to the third installment of a franchise on auto-pilot, you’re a rough half-step away from being beaten by Adam Sandler; amusing, given the “philosophical depths” you and your fellow apologists have ascribed it. Still, I suppose that would be consistent, since only you precious few cognoscenti recognize the “depth” in this steaming cinematic suppository. It’s all very well to attack someone’s opinion when it fails to meet your standards, but as long as you have the right to ruminate and publically display your marked ignorance of what constitutes intelligent science fiction, you can expect me (or someone like me) to meet and parry your every riposte. Ridley Scott mentioned with this film he wanted to “scare the living s**t out of you” – He failed and then some. Story and character development MATTER. No one who has read Frank Herbert, William Gibson, Isaac Asimov, Al Bester, and Harlan Ellison (amongst others) could call Prometheus anything but hackneyed and flawed – Visually beautiful, and stunningly rendered, but shallow nonetheless. There is no Gully Foyle, Hari Seldon, or even a Baron Vladimir Harkonnen – aside from a solid performance from Michael Fassbender’s David, we have red shirts and bland archetypes we’ve seen before. Enjoy this year’s pretentious, doughy pantload – I envy you your ignorance…wish I could enjoy stuff this devoid of substance. Anyway. Must dash – I’m off to watch Transformers 3…

  • June 12, 2012, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Madagascar had about 20-25% more screens than PROMETHEUS

    by Autodidact

    Prometheus per-theater average was higher. If they had more screens they probably would have beaten Madagascar. Not that I really care, aside from the fact that I would like to see a sequel and box office success ensures a sequel.

  • June 12, 2012, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Also, no lonely nerds going to MADAGASCAR

    by Autodidact

    If you buy a ticket to Madgascar, you're probably buying at least two and more likely three or four tickets. I bet the average buy for Prometheus tickets is slightly under two tickets.

  • June 12, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST

    @wrath of fett

    by toxicopoulus

    That's not what i'm doing at all. The argument was about critical and audience reception when the relative films were first released. My contention is that NONE of Scott's sci-fi films were well received critically when they first came out. Alien did solid box office based largely on the notoriety it engendered because of what at the time considered extremely shocking scenes. but the critics didn't embrace it. Blade Runner fared even worse. I only bring this up to compare and contrast the reactions to Prometheus. To counter this lv_426 tried to make the claim that Terminator and Taxi driver were relatively ignored compared to the contemporary work of their creators. I was just demonstrating that in fact they weren't. They were both considered major works (surprising in Terminators case) when they were released. peace

  • June 12, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST

    @autodidact

    by toxicopoulus

    Aliens was cameron's dream project but he didn't have the juice at the time to get it done. That's why he took terminator and shocked everyone by how good it turned out to be. and i think you're missing the point. lv was trying to conpare and contrast reception of Taxi Driver vs. Hugo and Terminator vs. Cameron's later work. I was just pointing out that in the case of these directors, it has been positive all around. not so much with Alien or Blade Runner. Got it now? peace

  • June 12, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Give me the Rifftrax on Prometheus right now before you change it.

    by UltraTron

  • June 12, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Cameron didn't "take" Terminator. It was his baby.

    by Autodidact

    He wrote Aliens in six days while filming TERMINATOR. FOX called him in based on the script for TERMINATOR, not the box office returns.

  • June 12, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST

    It surprises me that

    by thedoctor28

    people can bitch about looking out the window for the landing spot. Or the helmet thing. But what about NO SURGEON ON BOARD A TRILLION DOLLAR MISSION???!!!!! Did anyone bother to notice, or did I miss something?

  • June 12, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST

    @autodidact

    by toxicopoulus

    Aliens had been Cameron's dream project for years before he even began concept work on Terminator but I take your point. Also, if Terminator had been a stinker do you seriously think that Fox would have rung the bell? An ignored B movie? I don't think so. That movie more than tripled it's production costs and became a cult favorite by word of mouth almost immediately. peace

  • June 12, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST

    He might have been done filming it.

    by Autodidact

    Whatevs. The pont is it's irrelevant what the reaction to Ridley Scott's movies has been over time. There is no insight to be gleaned.

  • June 12, 2012, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Oh did Terminator do well? Thanks for that info. I was unaware.

    by Autodidact

    That was sarcasm.

  • June 12, 2012, 9:34 a.m. CST

    His Blade Runner 2 tease

    by Bob of the Shire

    Is the opening scene in the original Blade Runner script, which they obviously ditched. The storyboards for it are in the Blade Runner: Final Cut supplement.

  • he's like obviously a hardened criminal who doesn't place nice with the rest of the gang. In fact i'm detecting imminent hostility from him. I'm sure he'll be trouble later when events heat up. Nope he's a coward he wants to run away. Whoops he's lost even though he seems to be the only one in 2090 with mapping drones(we'll have nanite-storms of drones by then that you can unleash with your Icock). The movie just doesn't think at the level of a 12 year old trek fan.

  • June 12, 2012, 9:40 a.m. CST

    @autodidact

    by toxicopoulus

    nope, nothing to see here. C'mon man! The point is that mewling over the merits of a Ridley Scott sci-fi film when it first hits appears to be an exercise in futility since apparently the adoration of these films only comes years later. People were bashing Blade Runner not more than 10 years ago when the director's cuts started coming out with people debating whether or not removing the Deckard voice over and happy ending was a betrayal or not. Now no self-respecting film geek would dare challenge the merits of either version; they're just "different" That's the thing about Scott. He stops messing with his properties. The Prometheus cut that we get on the Blu will likely depart in at least some ways from the theatrical release and I almost guarantee that he won't stop there for future releases. peace

  • In the X-Files the aliens have engineered a biological black goo which enters a human and then transforms that person into a human-alien hybrid. The plan is to introduce the black goo to the Earth in preparation for the alien invasion. Also, the X-Files dealt with the idea that aliens engineered early man and aided us along in our evolution. But, I don't think that anyone can deny that the black goo in Prometheus was totally ripped-off from The X-Files.

  • June 12, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST

    never stops messing...

    by toxicopoulus

  • thinking- great at least the ship has a cum-rag in case the other men get horny.

  • June 12, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Great flick but it LOOKED edited

    by clancy021061

    How the hell. In 3 minutes, did they go from orbiting the moon/planet to finding the EXACT spot on the entire planet that they were looking for? Was there a beacon or something? I hope they at least put some blurb in about, "this area has the most promise" or Anything. It was freeking flawless until that.

  • I was so disappointed that the whole alien black goo, black cancer, whatever thing was never adequately resolved. Great show, but don't tell me you weren't disappointed by the utter lack of closure of any kind on the alien conspiracy thing.

  • June 12, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST

    sergeantstedenko: Den Of Geek mentioned it.

    by Royston Lodge

    http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/prometheus/21640/a-closer-look-at-prometheus%E2%80%99-sci-fi-roots

  • June 12, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST

    toxic you're just retarded STFU

    by Autodidact

  • June 12, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST

    @autodidact

    by toxicopoulus

    hahaha. and you're a doodie-face. see i can i can play ignorant juvenile too. lol peace

  • June 12, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST

    I think, PROMETHEUS would have worked better as an ALIEN Prequel!

    by wtriker1701

    Saw the movie, was stunned by its visuals and had a lot of fun with the first half of the movie (including the Engineer at the beginning)! What spoiled the experience was the latter half, that gave us some ALIEN DNA, but refused to play out as an Alien prequel (Lindelof came in to rewrite passages to hide Spaihts' direct links to its predecessor, don't forget that!). Some iconic material stayed in the movie like the Alien mural, the derelict ship, the interiors of it. So, I watched Alien (again!) and was merely shocked, that the Space Jockey of 1979 was clearly no EIS (Engineer in Suit), but a mummified Alien Pilot who got chestbursted right out of his bones and not some Space Suit. There was no mask, that would have been his real skull. OK, one might argue, it doesn't have to be the same race of Space Jockeys / Engineers regarding both movies... but it doesn't feel right in the slightest. have those Engineers tried to hide themselves among the Space Jockey race deliberately? Have they engineered them as well as us (or the Aliens)? It's a VERY different look and feel, though the ship seems to be of the same kind. There are some (I can't help it) outright laughable scenes like the C-section, Idris Elba's explanation of WMDs (within two sentences out of nowhere!), Fifield's THE THING revival (including flame thrower action - right out of John Carpenter's classic movie), Weyland's Holomovie, including the invitaton for Holloway and Shaw to join him in front of the audience, David's talking head while disconnected to his body (Remember how Ash [Centuries later] had to be wired to at least talk to the crew?)... and some more. I love Noomi Rapace, but they shouldn't have gone the Ripley route with her - i didn't create the same vibe. It didn't feel right in some sequences (especially that bloody(!) C-Section). Overall the movie became a mess for me, once it didn't desperately decide, wheter to be a prequel or not. And: to seemingly wanting to be a two-parter is a brave move, I don't think everybody will acknowledge as it is. As some have pointed out, what shall be the next part about: SHAW vs. ENGINEERS? A whole movie with just two characters against an alien race, perhaps our Creators? PROMETHEUS II - THE SEARCH FOR GOD? I love most visuals, I love iconic pieces returning - but in the end, Prometheus doesn't provoke me to watch it a second time... ALIEN didn't give us many answers as well - and no one mournd about it. PROMETHEUS on the other hand likely tries to lure us into a second movie t give us answers. Oh, and YES, I was one of the LOST fans who didn't love THE END! It kind of spoiled the whole experience for me. When a series tries to throw out wuestions and invite us to follow the trail... it's not fair at the end to say, it was just about the Character's journeys. That's what seemes to happen here as well... But one thing did Prometheus VERY right: it provoked a discussion that is similar to LOST. With haters and defenders. It doesn't provide any greys... it provides JACOB vs. MIB!

  • June 12, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Ridley Scott hasn't made a film that anyone adored for thirty years

    by Dead_Kate_Moss

    Two and a half awesome movies in the 80s. Then nothing special ever again.

  • Remember when Mulder was put on trial? If not, I highly recommend you go back and watch that two hour finale. Everything is answered. How satisfying some of those answers may be is questionable, but they're their.

  • June 12, 2012, 10:06 a.m. CST

    kate_moss, you're wrong. Gladiator is much loved by many.

    by SergeantStedenko

    Thelma and Louise is also decent.

  • June 12, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Why did Prometheus fail so miserably?

    by Jeespox

    Red Letter Media raises pretty good questions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0&feature=g-u-u

  • June 12, 2012, 10:20 a.m. CST

    sergeantstedenko

    by NeonFrisbee

    Wow, I totally don't remember that at all! It's been awhile. I'll def watch it again.

  • June 12, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST

    The Earth monolith absolutely intervened in human evolution.

    by FluffyUnbound

    Sorry, dude. Read the novel. 'Now he was master of the world, but he had no idea what he would do next. But he would think of something.' There's a reason both Bowman and the alpha protohuman think the same thing. What the Jupiter monolith does to Bowman, the Earth monolith did to the protohumans. It's just that we can understand the leap the protohumans made, because we're looking DOWN the intelligence chain. We can't understand Bowman's leap (and thus the crazy imagery in the final reel) because we're looking UP the intelligence chain then. The protohumans were enhanced to let them imagine future alternatives and to make tools (weapons) when they touched the Earth monolith. When Bowman enters the Jupiter monolith, he's enhanced in ways we can't imagine, because if we could imagine them we'd already have them.

  • You mean the guy who took two years to spend ten hours reviewing all seven hours of the STAR WARS prequels, ten years after everyone stopped giving a shit?

  • June 12, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST

    sergeantstedenko

    by Jethro Bodine

    Yeah, and the X-Files, and pretty much any other SF movie/show/book (even Von Daniken!), got that idea from Howard Phillips Lovecraft.

  • June 12, 2012, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Gladiator could have been better

    by clancy021061

    Incredible scene at beginnning.. Romans and Turks/whatever. Armies on both sides huge. Amazing setup. Fight commences and I can't see a goddam thing. Blurry Michael Bay shakey vision. WHY? Why would he setup such an epic shot and turn it into shakey cam BS. WRECKED the movie for me.

  • June 12, 2012, 10:41 a.m. CST

    BTW about Jonesy

    by FluffyUnbound

    I agree that Ripley doesn't actually go back for the cat. But during the only time in my life I lived in a high rise, my wife and I had a cat, the eponymous Fluffy. And one day we were sitting around in the apartment and the fire alarms went off. There was no human being in that building other than my wife I would have gotten out of the building before that cat. So if Ripley had in fact gone back for the cat, it would not have been that unrealistic.

  • June 12, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Kate Moss' remains, that was an empty statement.

    by ChaunceyGardiner

  • Whilst also making fun of himself over and over again for caring so much about something that nobody in their right mind cares about. You're gonna have a tough time convincing people that wasn't great.

  • 1979-1982 was a looooooooooooooooooong time ago.

  • I took the parallel in the text of the proto-human with the bone and Bowman as starchild as being there to drive home the point that the giant monolith has essentially "evolved" mankind by advancing the first human starchild. I guess I could be wrong about the book. I read it a long time ago. I can say for sure that the movie does not show the monolith "advancing" the protohumans in any explicit way. It just shows one group figuring out weapons in advance of the other, and the monolith is there to witness it. The one on the moon certainly didn't "evolve" anyone... it seems more fitting, more Kubrickian (and Clarkeish) to have all the same-size monoliths serve the same function. It's the giant one around Jupiter that acts as a stargate and leads to wherever humanity is advanced to starchild state.

  • C-Section scene = open skull brain cooking scene

  • June 12, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Is that a still from CALAMARI WRESTLER?

    by Iowa Snot Client

    Haven't seen Prometheus yet.

  • My bad.

  • I'll have to watch it again to be sure. My pleasure.

  • June 12, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Fuck your consensus!

    by Autodidact

  • June 12, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    It is staged like a "Grand Science-Fiction Entertainment."

    by ChaunceyGardiner

  • June 12, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Whereas "Hannibal" was staged as a "Grand Macabre."

    by ChaunceyGardiner

  • June 12, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST

    They touch it because they're curious and agressive

    by Autodidact

    I refuse to believe that the monolith is "beaming" intelligence into their brains in real-time. Bowman was shown going through a pretty radical process to achieve his transformation. The small monoliths are just there to witness, test, and notify.

  • June 12, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    The twenty minutes

    by Jerry Danzig

    Prometheus doesn't need twenty more minutes of action. It needs ten more minutes of exposition to fill the plot holes and ten more minutes of character development so we actually give a fig when the crew members die.

  • June 12, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST

    autodidactic, the monolith influences the tribe

    by SergeantStedenko

    otherwise what is the point of showing it there with them if all it is doing is watching them. So, what? We could have done without that scene. Plus, the fact that this is the first time these manapes learned to use tools and what are the odds that the monolith just happens to be there for this event, yet has nothing to do with it? My point is that there is a very clear reason for this scene and that is that alien intelligence helped man's evolution along.

  • June 12, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    "juxtaposed with the eclipse." Just one word, too long.

    by ChaunceyGardiner

  • June 12, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Lindelof 'explains'

    by Lostboytejas

    http://io9.com/5917448/all-of-your-lingering-prometheus-questions-answered

  • June 12, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Ripley DOES go back for Jonesy

    by Jeremy

    She gets to the escape pod and then realizes she doesn't have Jonesy so she goes back and looks around the ship calling, "Jonesy!" That's how Jonesy gets inside the cat carrier. She finds him, puts him in the carrier, then has the run in with the Alien which causes her to drop the carrier on the ground. You are right that she does grab the cat carrier on the way to the escape pod but that happens AFTER she has already gone back for Jonesy.

  • Taking off your helmet on an alien planet, or spending a trillion dollars on a mission with essentially no proper crew, or "getting scared" and inexplicably wandering off alone in an alien pyramid, or any of the other downright slapstick goofy things that happen in this film, DO NOT fall within the realm of normal human behavior. I can forgive "stupid", I cannot forgive "terminally retarded to the point of being Keystone Cops-level idiotic".

  • June 12, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    human behavior

    by Jeremy

    I disagree with most of your comment (I agree with some of it though). Taking off your helmet in an Alien environment, yeah that's dumb. Except they had scanner readings that I'm sure they feel are 100% reliable. If they can create the medpod thingy in the future then they can create scanners that are capable of detecting healthy amounts of oxygen (hell, we can do that NOW!). How is "getting scared" not realistic human behavior? Once again, everyone thinks that all scientists must obviously remain calm and level headed in all unknown scenarios. How is that realistic exactly? To be confronted with the unknown sets off your danger sense, which happens to everyone. But not everybody is able to so easily deal with that pressure. It's not hard for me to imagine that the GEOLOGIST who deals primarily with ROCKS would get frightened at the sight of an alien being, especially after seeing a holographic replay of the things running away from something and being killed off. I can't believe people think that two gusy in a group getting scared in that situation is unrealistic. Everyone must think scientists are like superheroes. As for getting lost, yes, people panic in crazy situations and do stupid things. I buy that these guys would get lost and stop thinking straight when they're scared. What I don't buy is that they don't realize they're lost when the ship has scanners and VIDEO PLAYBACK from their helmets.

  • ...but they didn't. It's simply sloppy writing.

  • June 12, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    @ t.o.p. (re human behavior)

    by golden tribw

    To follow your example, the GEOLOGIST who deals primarily with ROCKS gets frightened at the sight of an alien being after seeing a holographic replay of the things running away from something and being killed off. Fine. This GEOLOGIST is also the same guy who screams I LOOOOOVE ROCKS just so we can all be absolutely sure he is a geologist. A minute later, asked about navigating their way out of the tunnel of ROCKS they are lost in, this GEOLOGIST says I HAVE NO IDEA, THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME TO ME! Wait a minute, aren't you a GEOLOGIST who LOOOOOOOVES ROCKS? Aren't you also in constant flawless contact with a spaceship that has you mapped in a comprehensive 3D map of the entire area? Oh well. Back to your SCARED GEOLOGIST. He's not a superhero, so he gets scared! Fine! That's why he's hiding from the carcasses of big ugly guys who have been dead for centuries! That's also why he and his companion then APPROACH THE HISSING PENIS-COBRA while it is doing its ANGRY TERRITORIAL DISPLAY, right? Because they are frightened people who are NOT SUPERHEROES?

  • June 12, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Fifield was stoned. He may have shared with Milburn.

    by Chowwander

    The minute they showed him doing weed in his helmet, I went, "Uh-oh." If there is a cut scene in which he shares, somehow, his helmet-pot with Milburn, it could explain Milburn's hapless behavior. But honestly I have met biologists who have done some pretty stupid things out in the field. Like trying to pet a wild animal--which always could have been rabid. And in the lab, don't even get me started.

  • But them's the breaks.

  • June 12, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    crew behavior

    by Jeremy

    I agree that there is some sloppy writing in this film. As I've stated above, I do like Prometheus quite a bit but also feel it has intrinsic problems. If I give it a 7/10 rating that basically means that there's 30% of the movie that I have an issue with and the crew is one of them. So I agree with some of the criticisms of this film. Most of them are due to sloppy writing, for sure. But people aren't crediting Lindelof for the good things that he does in the script (and yes, believe it or not, there are good things here too). To me, a couple of guys getting scared and running off doesn't need explanation. It's obvious, they got scared, and that should be a realistic enough reaction that it doesn't warrant an explanation. We all know what being scared is like and what it does to a person's ability to think clearly. Not using the ships scanners and video playback, THAT is a problem. But people keep beating up on the scientists getting scared which makes no sense to me. Especially after they acknowledge that the crew didn't sign up for this mission and had no idea what they were doing there. (and yes, I agree that's problematic as well but the fact remains, that's how it is so you have to take the characters as they are from that point).

  • June 12, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST

    blame it on the weed! that's why Cabin in the Woods was so awesome

    by SergeantStedenko

    Weed actually made the dude smarter, kept him from being affected by the mind altering gas and helped him figure out what was going on.

  • June 12, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Great posts Chauncey. I'm gonna screen my 2001 blu again real soon

    by Autodidact

  • Now, if you were really drunk I'd totally buy that you may try and touch it. He was kind of in lust with it as if he had beer goggles and was courting a fat chick in a bar.

  • June 12, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    “Prometheus” is a Disaster – Stop Pretending Otherwise

    by Admiral Nelson

    I’m not a “hater” who reflexively attacks anything coming out, or thinks it’s cool to be negative about something just to be contrary -- I was really looking forward to the film. But stop trying to tell me that this movie was anything other than an utter train wreck. Considering the talent involved, there’s no excuse for a script this mind-bogglingly bad. None. The movie’s flaws – non-existent character development, character actions that range from incomprehensible to jaw-droppingly stupid, plot points that go nowhere, and most egregiously, virtually every moment that should be momentous and awe-inspiring (like, oh, first fucking contact with an alien species) simply dismissed as throwaway – literally made me angry as I sat watching this thing. And stop saying, “well, you just didn’t get its big ideas!” Bullshit. The ideas in “Prometheus” were covered decades ago in films as diverse as “20 Million Miles to Earth” to “2001.” Ideas are EASY – it’s execution that’s HARD. You want big ideas? Read Greg Egan’s hard-science-fiction novel “Diaspora,” or Clarke’s “Childhood’s End,” or Robert Charles Wilson’s “The Chronoliths” or “Spin.” But don’t tell me this idiot piece of celluloid is in any way “deep” or “intelligent” science fiction, just because it looks pretty, or you like Ridley’s previous films. It’s so bone-headed as to be insulting.

  • June 12, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Video feed transmitted to Earth?

    by Chowwander

    Has there been any discussion on whether all that video feed shot of the goings-on there on LV-233 was being transmitted to Earth? I would assume this indeed happened and it's how the Weyland corporation finds out about everything.

  • Rather than insult you for not getting it, I suggest you either read about the monoliths, or just rewatch the film- I have seen 2001 more times than any other film- stopped counting after the 25th time

  • ...and it's still on 2001. You guys, Prometheus isn't CLOSE to 2001. 2001 was a vision; a piece of classic art, a seamless marriage of film, music, sound, and philosophy. Prometheus is just another clownshoe prequel. What's sad is that I think I would've enjoyed it so much more had it not been written as a direct prequel (say what you want, it's very much a prequel)...say if humanity found out it was a race evolved from a higher version of itself from some other planet which had been 'raising' us throughout history and at some point we hit a fork in the road and chose the wrong direction and the whole plan went to shit. THAT on it's own would've been awesome...but to blatantly take that and tie it into the Alien franchise because you want 'bums in chairs' just cheapens said franchise AND Prometheus as a film on it's own.

  • June 12, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Goldentribe

    by Jeremy

    Actually, the GEOLOGIST who LOVES ROCKS doesn't want to approach that goddamn snake monster, it's the other guy who acts retarded and like he knows nothing about animal life. As my "crew behavior" post mentioned above, I have problems with this movie. I liked it for the most part but try to be even handed with my approach to it. I don't love it without question. To me, the scientist wanting to pet the OBVIOUSLY aggressive snake thing who HISSES at them is one of my biggest problems with the movie. But the guys getting scared, not a big deal. And the geologist seems to me to react consistently. He is scared of the dead aliens (as I would be too) and doesn't want to approach hissing snake thingy. He keeps trying to tell the retarded guy to stay away from it. Yes, he does say that it all looks the same to him. That's because it does. He's not referring to whether or not the walls are composited out of different kinds of rock, he's saying that the tunnels all the look the same and therefore he doesn't know where they are relative to the entrance, which makes sense because the tunnels do look the same. Check the scanner image of the pyramid on the ship, that place is pretty damn huge. The Geologist saying it all looks the same doesn't seem problematic to me, what's problematic are the two guys not contacting the ship earlier to have them guide them out with their scanners. Yes, that is stupid, I agree.

  • June 12, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Haters simplifying this movie

    by donkey_lasher

    All week, they've been trying to simplify this film, or deny there's any substance to it. But they clearly didn't get the Alien film they wanted and are now butt hurt about it. If you didn't like the fucking thing, move on and let the intellectuals on here discuss its merits.

  • June 12, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    @t. o. p, didn't they try to contact the ship?

    by Chowwander

    While Janek was getting it on w/Vickers?

  • June 12, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    @chaunceygardiner You're right...I should pay attention...

    by REMcycle

    ...you know how it is...once these threads go down a certain road, sometimes they never come back. It's easier to just jump to the end, but sometimes that backfires, as is the case here.

  • June 12, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST

    2001

    by donkey_lasher

    A film with a big idea. One of the biggest reasons why Film is considered an art form. Sadly, it has not aged well, and that idea could be trimmed by a third.

  • June 12, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST

    @admiral nelson

    by shaft478

    Couldn't have said it better my friend. I keep trying to wrap my head around the fact people like this movie. Also, how in the shit did Ridley Scott go through with making this movie with such a bad script? That's the big question of Prometheus.

  • June 12, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST

    chowwander

    by Jeremy

    Yeah, you're right, they do try and contact the ship. I forgot about that. So that works but I still thought it was weird that they didn't check the two scientists' video feeds before they went looking for them.

  • June 12, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    lol @ 2001 hasn't aged well

    by SergeantStedenko

    Prometheus will be forgotten in a few weeks when the next shiny bauble is released to the general public.

  • The novel makes it clear that the monolith was experimenting and observing, but not doing what the giant monolith does at the end, which is actively advance a species/individual.

  • And then an after shot with Elba sitting on the edge of the bed while Vickers lies back smoking a cigarette. Vickers, "Real enough for you?" Elba, "Yep. 100% woman."

  • June 12, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    @t. o. p.

    by Chowwander

    Okay, good, I didn't "mis-remember" that. It was bugging me. Thank you! Meanwhile all this footage, I would BET, is being (at some point) watched by a Weyland board of directors back on Earth. THAT would be a pretty hilarious scene. "Um...well. Okay. How can we spin this one?"

  • Hey, it could happen!

  • June 12, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST

    David and Shaw

    by Chowwander

    Maybe in a sequel (subtitled the Adventures of David and Elizabeth? Kidding.) we will see the evolution of David into a truly caring being and this somehow will save them at the Engineers' homeworld. He's kind of like the Tin Woodman with Dorothy right now. Supposedly no heart, but really he does care.

  • June 12, 2012, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Scott is talented when it comes to "adding" importance to a film.

    by ChaunceyGardiner

  • June 12, 2012, 12:58 p.m. CST

    @chaunceygardiner It's Shaw, not Dawe

    by shaft478

  • June 12, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST

    "2001" is an animal all together different.

    by ChaunceyGardiner

  • June 12, 2012, 1 p.m. CST

    The mural on the ceiling

    by Chowwander

    Has anyone taken a look at that mural? There is an apparent Engineer next to some Gigeresque creature in a submissive state. THAT creature COULD be the sort that could have been the pilot for the LV-426 derelict. Maybe they could call them "Pilots" rather than engineers. Here is a picture: http://www.prometheus-movie.com/gallery/view/img/438

  • June 12, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST

    "Prometheus" is about humbling. "2001," elevation.

    by ChaunceyGardiner

  • The monoliths were left behind as observers, but also as catalysts that could foster and develop growth and change on the planets they were left upon. The Goo seems to act the same way; as a creative force for creative minds, or a destructive force for, well, you get the idea. Almost like Liquid Karma.

  • June 12, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Sergeantsedenko

    by donkey_lasher

    I bet some smirking smug bastard said that about Blade Runner.

  • This was a 2 year billion dollar venture. Everyone should have known their role and I don't buy that Weyland would not have wanted competent professional employees. Instead, the way everyone acts, even David, is as if they are on some elementary school field trip to the zoo. There is no respect or awe for what they find. Everyone just acts with that one note that the writers gave them regardless of the extraordinary circumstances surrounding them.

  • Prometheus is no Bladerunner. Not even close.

  • June 12, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST

    No more 'black goo." Only,

    by ChaunceyGardiner

  • June 12, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST

    THE OOZE!!!

    by ChaunceyGardiner

  • ...then again, wouldn't we all like to be tasked with such a dilemma.

  • after he got high

  • June 12, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    autodidact - why you are wrong about the 2001 monolith-

    by Michael Lunney

    As the sound increased in volume, the man-apes were drawn closer to the Rock; they stood in front of it, totally hypnotized. Unknown to the man-apes, their minds were being studied, their bodies probed, and their actions controlled. One entranced man-ape picked up a piece of grass, tried and failed to tie a knot. Then another man-ape tried and another, until a young man-ape tied the first knot ever on Earth. When Moon-Watcher was possessed, he picked up stones, trying to throw them at a bulls-eye on the monolith. An intense pleasure overcame him when, after many attempts, he finally succeeded. As the days went on, the monolith ignored most of the man-apes, but continued to interact with some of them, including Moon-Watcher. His mind was being developed, even though his instincts made him want to break free of the monolith. One day as a group of pigs came across his tribe, Moon-Watcher experienced an entirely new set of impulses. He looked around for a rock, picked it up and ran toward a pig, and killed it. The man-apes learned to feast on the dead pig—their hunger problem was solved. The man-apes were taught to use many other tools and soon enough the tools became a part of their everyday lives. With near-starvation no longer a pressing concern, the man-apes first experience leisure and the evolutionary predecessor of thought.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmZg7tvGN9o&feature=youtu.be

  • June 12, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Chris de Burgh's song doesn't say Jesus was an alien.

    by Royston Lodge

    It says the star was a spaceship and the angel was an alien. Jesus is still Jesus.

  • June 12, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    lol he is not human to say the least...

    by Fior84

  • June 12, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Hey mcgootoo:

    by Ironhelix

    That's an interesting theory. Now try reading the book.

  • June 12, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST

    2010

    by thedoctor28

    I thought was more fun to watch than 2001.

  • do you need direct quotes from the book? Do you have a point to make, or are you just trying to say I am wrong?

  • June 12, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST

    drawn to the goo

    by animatronicmojo

    Again, I'd say that the crew's seemingly erratic, unprofessional behavior makes sense if you consider that they are all being manipulated by Weyland/David. Perhaps an extended cut would show us a bit more about why David was watching the sleeping crew's dreams for two years straight, and what he was doing with them. If he was doing that, he was likely also planting ideas in their heads that would make them more susceptible to suggestion and set them up as lab rats for whatever they might encounter (Weyland's true purpose for everyone on the first away team). Perhaps you've heard of this planting an idea in someone's head while they are sleeping,*cough* while on an airplane perhaps? *cough* *ahem*.

  • June 12, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Totalreality, you've been trolling these PROMETHEUS threads like Gary Glitter in a Malaysian orphanage. You said halfway down the thread that you were going to stop but then you got a semi hard on at the thought of dipping your dick in another moist juicy plot hole. Now you've started trolling GLADIATOR too. A ménage a Ridley. I'm sending your ip address to the pigs you sick fuck. Just zip it up and leave it alone. Totalreality, more like total cunt.

  • June 12, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST

    "Prometheus (Extended Cut): The Secret of the Ooze"

    by ChaunceyGardiner

  • June 12, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Actually I was going to do a secret of the ooze post too...

    by Jaster Mareel

    But then I thought =Naw....that'd be fuckin' gay.=

  • June 12, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Total, you won't be laughing when the cops bust in to arrest you - and free the occupants of your *basement* (4 children, 6 gerbils, and a Vietnamese pot bellied pig).

  • June 12, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST

    The Engineers...

    by Jeremy

    The screenwriters are clearly drawing inspiration from Chariots of the Gods and The Gods of Eden as much as anything. Those books theorize that humans are the creations of an alien race and that the Bible tells this story, though over the centuries it's been misinterpreted. In the books they say that the aliens created humanity as slave labor but there was a separate group who believed that humanity deserved freedom and that caused a rift. In the story of the Garden of Eden this refers to "Satan" trying to get Eve to eat the apple. They say that the apple represents enlightenment and freedom and "Satan" represents the group of alien overseers who were trying to liberate us. Not saying any of this is true, but honestly, this all explains where the story of Prometheus is going in the sequel and you can see the seeds of this planted in Prometheus itself.

  • June 12, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST

    @donkey_lasher - ROFLMAO!

    by Admiral Nelson

    "Let the intellectuals here discuss its merits." Dude, that's the funniest thing I've read all week. The only "merit" Prometheus has is that it looks good. Other than that, it's a shockingly poorly-scripted, badly-edited piece of shit masquerading as a "deep" science fiction film. Trotting out the illusion of "big ideas" isn't the same thing as actually executing them well, and Prometheus failed at this -- shockingly so, in fact, given the talent involved. The twats who are saying "you didn't like it 'cuz it was over your head!" are displaying idiot sophistry of the highest order. You, sir, liked it because you wanted to, and are defending it because you are under the mistaken assumption that doing so makes you look "smart." Um, no. Read some real S/F novels from Clarke, Asimov, Egan, Banks, Wilson, Simmons and other writers to see what genuine "big ideas" are, and how they are executed infinitely better than the piss-poor Prometheus.

  • June 12, 2012, 3:10 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Re: the mystery november date. When Ridley announces that the sequel was actually shot back to back during the six month closed set shoot!!!! PROMETHEUS 2, principal photography already in the can. You heard it here first folks.

  • June 12, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    What I want from this is...

    by HB_Dad

    ...some added scenes between the discovery of the cave paintings and the preparing the mission. I feel we missed out on a cool "wow" factor where we can really see the information sink into people and get them pumped for the mission.

  • "I teach you the overman. Man is something that shall be overcome. What have you done to overcome him? "All beings so far have created something beyond themselves; and do you want to be the ebb of this great flood and even go back to the beasts rather than overcome man? What is the ape to man? A laughingstock or a painful embarrassment. And man shall be just that for the overman: a laughingstock or a painful embarrassment. You have made your way from worm to man, and much in you is still worm. Once you were apes, and even now, too, man is more ape than any ape. "Whoever is the wisest among you is also a mere conflict and cross between plant and ghost. But do I bid you become ghosts or plants? "Behold, I teach you the overman! The overman is the meaning of the earth. Let your will say: the overman shall be the meaning of the earth! I beseech you, my brothers, remain faithful to the earth, and do not believe those who speak to you of otherworldly hopes! Poison-mixers are they, whether they know it or not. Despisers of life are they, decaying and poisoned themselves, of whom the earth is weary: so let them go!" — Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Prologue, §3, trans. Walter Kaufmann

  • June 12, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST

    cobra-kai, that would be the awesomest present EVER!

    by Jaster Mareel

    That would represent $200M for TWO films and bridge the gap to profitability. So fucking sad that won't happen, but it's a nice dream.

  • June 12, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    hb_dad, I agree

    by Jaster Mareel

    They find the cave paintings and next thing you know, we're in the fucking ship. i would love another 15-20 minute buildup to the launch. This really needed to be a 3 hour movie to get the flow nailed down. I really think the bitching would be a lot quieter if they had done that. Of course, it wouldn't have made as much money probably.

  • June 12, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    What does 10.11.12 mean at the end of the film and in the latest viral clip? Why did the secretive shoot take over six months? Why did Ridley first say the budget was $250 million and then say down to $125 million? And why towards the end of the shooting period did cast and crew descend on ciudad de la luz in alicante spain, where they shot in one of the worlds largest water tanks? Anyone remember any underwater sequences? I tell you... PROMETHEUS 2 is already in the can. Get ready to have your brains broken by the biggest reveal in motion picture history. Call me crazy... But maybe. Just maybe?

  • June 12, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    cobra--kai - this might shed some light, but you might be on to something

    by Michael Lunney

    Eagle-eyed and endlessly patient moviegoers noticed that at the very end of the end credits for Prometheus, a logo for the fictional Weyland Corporation rolled onto the screen, with the tagline “Building Better Worlds Since 10. 11. 12″ and an address for the “corporate timeline” for Weyland Industries. That timeline does indeed note that the company was founded on October 11, 2012, but it’s been available online for a while now. It turns out this end credits bumper was really pointing to a brand new easter egg: Whatis101112.com, a curious website that basically serves as an oblique advertisement for the seminal work of German philosopher Freidrich Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra: A Book for All and None.

  • June 12, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Cobra, there's no way they could keep the lid on that

    by SergeantStedenko

    the movie industry? Can't tell me somebody in catering wouldn't flap their gums about it the 10.11.12 thing is just Lindelof/Abrams meta-marketing B.S.

  • I'd like the film more if they secretly made two. Yeah I know that's irrational but there it is.

  • June 12, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Just did some fact checking... GLADIATOR was a 4 month shoot. HANNIBAL was a 3 month shoot. And AMERICAN GANGSTER with a run time of 157 mins was just a 2 month shoot. Why was PROMETHEUS close to a 7 month shoot? I say again... Maybe just maybe?

  • June 12, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Gotta get some solidarity goin' on UP'N HE' RRRR!

    by ChaunceyGardiner

  • June 12, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Plus, "Have you ever seen a twenty dollar bill... ON WEED!?"

    by ChaunceyGardiner

  • June 12, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST

    That would be spectacular if they already have a sequel in the can

    by Autodidact

  • .. not add much to an already 'Lost' cause. We shall see about that won't we now?

  • It's the home video release date, it would make sense since that timeframe is about 4-5 months out from the theater release date. There is NO. FRIGGIN'. WAY. a sequel could have been kept a total secret. Someone would have spilled something by now, and not only that but I would imagine a second film slated for October of this year would be on someone's calendar, somewhere in a theater industry schedule, something....... no one could keep a secret of this magnitude for THIS long. I would say there's a 10% chance of a sequel "already in the can," regardless of WHEN it comes out. Sure as hell ain't coming out this October!!

  • June 12, 2012, 5:26 p.m. CST

    cobra--kai - wow, man you might be right! Here is possible proof.

    by rhizomeman

    This is comic con footage of Ridley and Noomi in front the Icelandic waterfall for an interview. Maybe I'm wrong but wasn't the alien planet shot in Scotland NOT Iceland? So why was Noomi in Iceland??!!

  • June 12, 2012, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Wow...20 more minutes for way fucking cool haters...

    by kells

    They're so way fucking cool.

  • Make me laugh. Please.

  • June 12, 2012, 6:04 p.m. CST

    redgiant

    by Rupee88

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsCspJFaCMs

  • Ridley you are a visual director...so please spend longer than 3 seconds on your shots...thanks.

  • June 12, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST

    THANKS, rupee88 - THAT WAS GREAT!

    by Astronut

  • still, it's no masterpiece but upon the second viewing, the characters came through a bit more and I picked up subtle things about them all. The score and plot holes didn't get to me as much and I enjoyed it for what it was. Turning off the analytical brain and simply watching helped immensely. With the expectations removed it's a really good film. Not great but its worthy of more than my initial knee jerk rejection. I think Scott did good here. Maybe the next one will be great.

  • June 12, 2012, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Cobra

    by MajorBludd

    Your speculation about Prometheus 2 just made my day. I also thought they may have already shot it (i remeber early interviews where ridley was talking about shooting 2 films back to back) C I don't see how this is an unrealistic scenario. Lindeloff is part of team Abrams - known for their secrecy. Scott wants to make back the budget and a prophet for fox - they allowed the R-Rated cut. This film alone won't make massive bank, but 2 films for one budget is a good deal for the studio. Also - with so many unanswered questions, fox will want a sequel out ASAP before Prometheus and it's questions fade from the collective conscious. In 2 years everyone will forget/not care/or will resent a sequel. This sounds genius. Also why would the. Oral Marketing continue as it has? Once a film is released the viral stuff ceases -- but not with Prometheus. I hope you are right. If so I'll join your dojo.

  • June 12, 2012, 7:29 p.m. CST

    *viral not "oral marketing"

    by MajorBludd

    I fycking phone

  • June 12, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Prometheus should be packaged with Battlefield Earth.

    by SunTzu77

  • June 12, 2012, 7:46 p.m. CST

    The difference between...

    by SunTzu77

    Avatar and Prometheus... is that Cameron clearly didn't intend for Avatar to be "highbrow." Unobtanium! Scott tried to make "Prometheus" highbrow and the result was a fucking catastrophe... plot holes, thin characters... characters that I could really care less if they perished or not. Twenty minutes of extra footage can't patch this tattered ship.

  • June 12, 2012, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Unobtanium is real, damn it!

    by Jaka

    But I totally agree with your assessment of the difference between the two films.

  • June 12, 2012, 9:49 p.m. CST

    rahtard

    by ReportAbuse

    "The girl with the dragon tattoo totally travels in space with a stolen spaceship controlled by a flute with the head of Magneto in a bag telling her where to go." lol!

  • June 12, 2012, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Red Letter Media really covered it all in their two videos.

    by Chief Joseph

    Bless those guys. I love how merely mentioning RLM/Plinkett will automatically make at least one AICN talkbacker have a full-on Mel Gibson meltdown. Try it sometime. Bring up RLM/Plinkett or Gary Kurtz, sit back, and laugh.

  • June 12, 2012, 11:14 p.m. CST

    I think RLM pretty much nailed it, yeah.

    by frank

    The one four minute video is hilarious. I think PROMETHEUS is really interesting because it has both very positive and very negative aspects. I would give it 3 out of 5 stars, but it is unlike most 3 star movies in that it alternates between 5 star and 1 star moments. I think that is why there is so much discussion about it, because people just don’t know how to feel about it (and of course because it is a Ridley Scott ALIEN prequel, which makes it something people are going to care about). Forget polarization between people, I keep arguing with myself about whether it was good or not.

  • June 13, 2012, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Now that I read about Engineer Jesus

    by CherryValance

    (yeah, somehow I missed it until now) I gotta say I really kinda hate Ridley Scott and his boyfriend Damon. They're pretty much dead to me. *washes hands* *sigh* So anyway, what are you guys doing? I mean the normal people, not the ones who liked it.

  • June 13, 2012, 3:42 a.m. CST

    PRO METH USE

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    Weyland's body could maybe be preserved by David and Shaw on an Engineer ship and revived/rejuvenated in the potential sequel. Which would explain why they'd cast a younger guy(heh). The Black Slime. Is this part of X-Files Canon now? Also, Damon seems to like his mysterious color+Gas(vapor)/Liquid/Solid Macguffins. Red Matter, Black Smoke, Black Slime..I didn't see Cowboys and Aliens so maybe that's got one as well.. Looked fantastic in 2D..also looked great in 3D. The colors being slightly muted by the tinted glasses sort of gave the film a more 70's-ish look. David's head somehow didn't flop all around the room during the Engineer ship crash..maybe there will be a zany cut section on the Blu-ray of him trying to bite down on some weird Giger sculpture or some shit. The idea in one of these threads that the xenobiologist dude who was trying to pet the space cobra maybe smoked some of the other dudes pot is a good one. Could help explain why he went all Steve Irwin for no good goddamn reason. Still, it was a great scene. Was kinda cool mixing dark humor with horror like that. I was giggling with it. Not at it. Also, I'll bet that scene tears the house down in, shall we say, an "urban" theater. Dr. Bromethius Holloway. What a douchelord. Fucko can't even drag his ass across the room as the Engineer's helmet is lifted off and all those present stare into the face of an ancient but immaculately preserved god/alien head after they've made a 39 light year trek to find examine/explore/learn/exploit all and everything they can about this very thing. Nope, he sits in the corner and sulks and tries to act all disinterested. Fucking poser fggt. Bromethius and Shaw are almost a total reversal of stereotypical gender types in a relationship. An idea nicked from the ALIEN scripting perhaps? In that they wrote the character of Ripley as a male and then just changed the name to a female. Here, it's like they wrote the part of Shaw as male and Hollow as female and then switched them. Oh and lastly..Noomi Rapace has such a sweet little toned body! Sigourney's junkless trunk and Theron's slightly shapeless and manly derriere ain't got shit on this girl. I've been looking around but can't find any screenshots yet. :'( DAT ASS.

  • June 13, 2012, 4:42 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Re: astronaut. The release date for the DVD blu is already set for October 9th... So it doesn't quite tally with the mystery date given at the end of the film and in the viral. Also I'm not saying the sequel will be released to cinemas on that date of course not... I'm saying that *could* be the date for a big announcement... A big surprise. Maybe... Just maybe?

  • June 13, 2012, 5:23 a.m. CST

    Prometheus = The Phantom Menace

    by DocPazuzu

    Search your feelings. You know this to be true.

  • June 13, 2012, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Search THIS feeling.

    by kells

    That is the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard. Your film "criticism" = epic fail.

  • As someone who smokes a lot of pot I can assure you no amount of weed is going to make a biologist suddenly forget how dangerous wild animals are. Pot typically makes you more timid about things you're genuinely wary of.

  • June 13, 2012, 7:35 a.m. CST

    kells

    by DocPazuzu

    The fact that Prometheus objectively speaking is a better film than TPM is irrelevant. However, when it comes to the sheer fucking up of a sci-fi universe and how idiotically it's done, they're two peas in a pod.

  • June 13, 2012, 8:18 a.m. CST

    mcgootoo and Chauncey thanks for the replies on 2001

    by Autodidact

    Nice to have some thoughtful interaction.

  • June 13, 2012, 8:53 a.m. CST

    The Extra Twenty Minutes

    by Greg

    One minute of Charlize Theron mentioning to David that she's a tranny. Nineteen minutes of the Captain's reaction to discovering this fact when he arrives in her quarters. Oh and Charlize Theron's character was totally a transsexual, by the way. It explains things that the robot theory doesn't. The male-calibrated medical bay. Her "superstitious" (religious) father rejecting her. "David is the closest thing I'll ever have to a son." And so on. This will become common knowledge soon.

  • June 13, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Maybe 10.11.12 is when Ridley Scott's real Alien prequel is coming out

    by SergeantStedenko

    Prometheus was just a late April Fools joke.

  • June 13, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Liked it. Soundtrack was a little Star Treky and some other complaints.

    by CrushKillDestroy

    First, what was the idea of the soundtrack? It made me feel like I was in a Star Trek episode. Even the last shot of the ship shows a departure sequence that evoked Next Generation. I thought the motivations of the actors were decent enough. Perhaps, the action of the co-pilots was unexpected. I suspect it was to make the asian co-pilot more heroic to asian audiences. A lot of of stuff people complained about was explained in the movie. David wearing a helmet was largely explained as I need to look like you to work with you. Robonaut from NASA has humanoid features now so that isn't so off-base.

  • June 13, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Does this mean we get Theron more nekkid?

    by Rob Taylor

    Cos I'd pay to see that...

  • I mean, doesn't he need a certain level of atmosphere, and can he just walk through any old gas environment and temperature other then oxygen at sea level without problem? He's not an android in the Data from Star Trek sense..He's also getting energy from some place. If not eating, then what? I personally hate this little scene between Holloway and David, where he explains he doesn't have to breathe, or eat.. He's Synthetic, not Robbie the Robot. <P> There's a lot of reasons why even a synthetic creature would wear a space suit.

  • June 13, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Well, that sucked whatever happened on previous post.

    by CrushKillDestroy

    Continuing . . . Had the feeling there were several endings. Based on the way David progressed and the severity of his damage, I saw one where he asks Shaw to be with him so he doesn't die alone. They went more upbeat. This was set to be a direct prequel as settiing of ship in end was too convenient. The alien was set to create stage for Alien. They just changed the name of the planet for the final cut. It does seem like that leaked script was the basis for the movie but all the real awful bits were removed. Major complaints: They used the same ship to go faster than light and land. That would never happen. Geez,it didn't happen on Star Trek and they stopped the saucer idea eventually in Next Gen. Too much risk of damage to only way home. It would make it harder for crew in space to ram the ship or go seek out new civilizations. Stephen Stills? That had to be a product placement. No way, he will be that relevant. How old was Weyland when he had his daughter? How old is she? Seems like he had her when he was 75. Jesus, reference? We lost faith in Engineerism and they wanted to kill us? Jesus rose from the dead so it wasn't Jesus Engineer revenge. The first scene was clearly religious like. Something Lost-esque there. Still, I liked it but too much given away in trailers for me to be saying how great is was. Acting was good and thought they looked good.

  • June 13, 2012, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Can someone please explain to me why Weyland would want an expendable crew?

    by Dr_PepperSpray

    The crew of the Nostromo were all blue collar joe six packs. They are on their way home with a haul of stuff and so the company isn't losing anything by losing the crew. Even if the Nostromo drifts back to Earth with everyone dead, they'll just retrieve it in deep space and that operation doesn't put any of their higher ups in direct jeopardy. <P> In comparison, I don't understand why Weyland would want the crew of the Prometheus to be expendable. Even assuming Weyland wanted to keep his mission a secret, wouldn't Vickers still hire the best people she could find to at least make sure the mission wasn't a waste for her own sake? Vickers wasn't exactly a stow-away so she knew what was going on. Why wouldn't the crew know what their mission is before signing up? Really talented people would be all over something like that, not the Pot-smoking punk-geologist who gets lost in a crescent shaped room and seems to care little about rocks, and the reincarnated Steve Irwin. <P> The make up of the crew is just a derivative of Alien but for no god damned reason other then a cheap scare.

  • June 13, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Which one one of you morons didn't like the movie...

    by Dan

    Let me explain it to you and tell you why you are a dumbass... anyone? Bueller?

  • June 13, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Expendable Prometheus crew

    by Jethro Bodine

    Shaw and Holloway are brought along because they're true believers and thus more apt to find themselves in experimental situations. I imagine their pseudo-religious naivety made them perfect candidates as they are more likely to thrust themselves headlong into an uncertain situation that seems to support their exuberant theories. They're essentially lab rats, as David's spiking of Holloway's drink shows. Fifield and Milburn, whose stature as scientists gives the impression that this is strictly a research mission and not some dying plutocrat's quixotic quest for eternal life, are likely just as expendable because they're field scientists, and if anyone is going to be eaten/transformed/contacted by the aliens it's going to be them. Pawns.

  • June 13, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Wookie_blowjob

    by Dr_PepperSpray

    It actually does because the basic mechanics of it's story telling is all about character decision and motivation. If none of that is truly believable, then it's not exactly a good story is it?

  • June 13, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST

    dr_pepperspray

    by Dan

    They did know what they were doing- they were 2 years in sleep chambers, looking for Shaw's discoveries. After that to me it seemed like they were winging it. Weyland's stowaway status was the only thing secret, I do believe. Weyland probably thought the Engineers would give him "life" or advance him into another body or something... maybe making the mission one-way was the chance they all took, he didn't really seem like a caring guy. He knew he wasn't going to return, at least not in his corporeal or "normal" form. It doesn't really matter as the movie rocked, but that's how it could be explained.

  • June 13, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    the bigger question was why was Weyland such a moron?

    by SergeantStedenko

    He really thought that the best course of action was for his 100+ year ass to confront a giant alien he knows zilch about because his assemblage of scientists were incompetent. Why didn't he first send the android in first and see if the engineer was hostile? Oh, right, because it's more dramatic to have him run roughshod into potential danger with zero recourse for defending themselves. Absolutely horrendous screenwriting.

  • But he needs pawns to go out poking around, see what risks await him.

  • June 13, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    docpazuzu = Exactly! I loved both!

    by Dan

  • Hubris. Pride. Arrogance. Greed.

  • If you're going to suspend disbelief by adding characters that make no sense being in the situation they are in at least those characters should be really great characters. Mohawk face paint guy and stupid glasses guys sucked as characters. And they weren't even characters you love to hate so you can enjoy it when they're inevitably killed off.

  • So, dude can play interesting characters if given something to work with.

  • ... and he shouldn't be confident and excited to meet his creators?

  • June 13, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST

    meatball, lol

    by SergeantStedenko

    He had no idea that the engineers could grant him eternal life. And that was just yet another of the pointless cliches Lindelof through into the mix.

  • June 13, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Well reasoned point, sergeantstedenko.

    by Jethro Bodine

    Why else would a dying old rich man take a two-year journey through the stars to what's believed to be the source of life on earth? OF COURSE he's seeking the fountain of youth. Fuck's sake.

  • It's even in a bit of expository dialogue.

  • June 13, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    meatball, but that subplot wasn't revealed until the end

    by SergeantStedenko

    I have a feeling that Lindelof saved that lame fountain of youth cliche we've all seen a million times most recently in Stranger Tides until the end because he was ashamed of it.

  • June 13, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    It's a perfectly reasonable plot construction.

    by Jethro Bodine

  • June 13, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Maybe if Weyland was developed to any degree at all

    by SergeantStedenko

    I may have given a shit about that subplot despite haven seen it a million times. but, instead Lindelof decided to make Weyland some surreal two-dimensional caricature of Charles Foster Kane with melted candlewax all over him.

  • Me neither. Terrible writing.

  • The pointy head shape and more slender frame seems the same. Maybe the Engineer wanted to kill all the humans because it knew if the goo got in a human and the squid got in an Engineer than the Proto Alien would be the result and there's some prophesy or whatever that those aliens will doom their species. Kind of a dog show mix thing. Following that, the aliens in the first movie on LV226 maybe were the product of some other seed planet getting in an Engineer (or maybe just something Giant Engineer based).

  • and then after all this time, preparation and money spent, 2 years in space, he just runs out, unprotected to meet and alien species he knows nothing about. I'm not the only one who finds this contrived, cliched and shoddy writing.

  • June 13, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST

    If this had been an episode of Smallville it would have been acceptable

    by SergeantStedenko

    but I expect more from Ridley.

  • The black goo is the biological weapon you know... duh.

  • June 13, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST

    It's basically David's movie...

    by Dan

    Noomie was awesome, but Fassbender's David is all kinds of cool.

  • I think the PROMETHEUS xenomorph is a cousin or side-breed. I hope.

  • June 13, 2012, 6:24 p.m. CST

    I haven't seen the movie but I'll tell you one thing for sure

    by Dead_Kate_Moss

    Those who liked it and reckon it's really deep are coming across as a lot dumber with the way they debate, dismiss criticisms and attack 'haters' than those who are finding fault with it in a thoughtful, constructive way.

  • June 13, 2012, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Thoughtful Prometheus Analysis...

    by kells

    ...that actually demonstrates some desire to grapple with the film's ideas instead of a bunch of Lindelof-hating recovering Lost addicts jerking off while hating the film because hating is way fucking cool. http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/uswn1/prometheus_everything_explained_and_analysed/

  • ...is a million times better than anything on this site that thinks it is "thoughtful analysis." That includes the disagreements. This site is like a fanboy wank-fest with attention-deficit disorder.

  • June 14, 2012, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Sunshine was a better "constructed" film... story wise.

    by SunTzu77

    Prometheus: A corporation assembles a crew at the expense of 4 trillion dollars to fly out to a destination point in which the scientists (I use this word loosely) have absolutely no quantitative data. Why not send a probe first? How are the scientists rationalizing that the cave drawings are an invitation by these aliens? Maybe, the aliens were hanging out, had a few beers, and gave the wall a good ole toilet stall treatment "For a good screw call Jenny." In this case it was a military installation. Sunshine: The sun is dying, thus sending Earth into an eternal winter. Icarus II is the *second* ship sent in attempt to restart the sun. So, right here... 1) We know the goal/directive - to kick start the sun because sun is vital to life. 2) We know past missions were executed and have failed. The ship design is impressive. For instance, they have an “oxygen garden.” Danny Boyle actually consulted NASA engineers about "plausible" ship designs, etc. Icarus II picks up a beacon from the original Icarus. Interesting! They spend time trying to locate the beacon and figure out that they will pass within 300 yards (roughly) of the ship. They are curious as to why the original Icarus failed. They even debate as to if they should investigate Icarus. They ultimately concede to board the ship because they know that it likely possesses the original payload. Hey, two “last best hopes” are better than one. This makes sense story wise. Hell, this entire sequence shows more logic than the entire length of a film that is Prometheus. Prometheus? Fuck it, we'll just zip down to the planet - and immediately find the main alien compound without any further analyzation of the planet. Wither is be "weather conditions," etc. There are just so many story elements that are just piss poor in regard to Prometheus. I still contend "Sunshine" is a better film story wise. And, in the end the "sacrifice" in Sunshine actually means something... the sacrifice in Prometheus is hollow and asinine. Now, if you want to argue about the Pinbacker aspect on the film - that's fair game. But, a crewman suffering from space insanity... "Pandorum"... whatever you want to call it... makes more sense than a biologist petting a grey penis snake. Sunshine trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBzVPXr8SNY&feature=related Spoiler - ending of Sunshine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ2-xR54UDU

  • June 14, 2012, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Above Sunshine comment.

    by SunTzu77

    I got the links mixed up... forewarned.

  • June 14, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST

    suntzu77

    by DocPazuzu

    You're absolutely right. Sunshine is immeasurably better than Prometheus. Those few simple examples you provided demonstrate how unnecessarily meatheaded Scott's movie is. In terms of how far Scott has fallen since Alien and how much he fucked up the canon, Prometheus is a Lucas Level Event (LLE).

  • June 14, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Waiting for the inevitable "Alien!" musical now.

    by ReportAbuse

    'Cause you know Julie Taymor has it in the works.