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John Ary: Let's Talk PROMETHEUS - with Spoilers!!

John Ary here with even more Prometheus discussion.

I filed my review earlier in the week, but I wanted to make it spoiler free. Thus, I couldn't talk about some of the bigger plusses and minusses of the film. Now that the movie is in wide release here in the states, we can throw caution to the wind and talk about everything.

 

 

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Prometheus

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  • June 8, 2012, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Disappointing...

    by soladeo1

    So I saw PROMETHEUS last night at midnight. I have to say it was disappointing. There were parts of the movie that were outstanding and interesting in a speculative fiction perspective and many of the special effects and performances were overall fantastic but also there were so many problems with the basic story and script that it seriously detracted from my total enjoyment of the film. There were some actions by key characters in the film that were utterly baffling and nonsensical. A lso, enormous plat holes were every where. It's a shame as many cool elements were present (the origin of the "alien race", the android "David", the horrific C-Section scene in the medical pod, etc.). Here'smy nagging, fundemental problem with the movie. At the end, the out-of-the-blue sacrificial behavior of the PROMETHEUS pilots???!!!! Where did this com from??? Totally not earned!!!

  • June 8, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST

    It's not a bad movie parts are really good

    by eric haislar

    The problem is once it becomes a monster movie, it just falls apart. So many questions brought up not one answered. I don't understand how the black ooze works. it seems to only work for what is best for the plot at the moment. (There are no rules for it at all.) What where the space jockeys running from? How does the ooze work?, Why where we created?, Where does the Xenomorph creature come from? How did all these ancient civilizations get a star map? It's a mixed bag.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:01 a.m. CST

    soladeo1

    by John Ary

    While agree that it seemed pointless for the two co-pilots to go down with the ship (does it really take three guys to crash the Prometheus?), I wouldn't say their behavior was out of the blue. Earlier in the movie they did go down to the cargo hold to battle a rampaging monster, knowing full well that their chances of returning to the bridge were slim. Otherwise I agree with you.

  • The facehuggers are 2000 years old, and chilling like a villain on LV-426 while the events of Prometheus is going on. C'mon man, they clearly point this out.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Last Shot Totally Unnecessary

    by jersey_d

    John hit the nail on the head. Complete fanboy service. I didn't think Ridley would stoop to that level, but here were are.

  • I waited for Ridley's return to sci-fi splendor. I waited for 30 years. What I got was an eyeball melting tour de force without any real substance or depth or logic. I think my face was in a state of permanent WTF as I watched the amazing visuals accompanied by almost no real meaning to go with them. Except for Fassbender and - at times, Noomi Rappace - the characters were extremely lame. The events as they played out seemed unbelievably mismanaged and haphazard... the overall plot was a total mess. I couldn't get over it. I must have said "WTF" to myself at least ten times as I sat there in a stupified state. What a GIGANTIC LET DOWN.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:15 a.m. CST

    This film is a disaster.

    by Ironhelix

    Ridley Scott should be ashamed. This is a hack job on just about every possible level. I'm not even going to give it the standard "well, at least it LOOKS good", because that doesn't make up for the sheer stupidity this movie commits.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:15 a.m. CST

    spellcheck is your friend

    by baba-lou2

    you misspelled "unanswered" in your vid otherwise, pretty good!

  • June 8, 2012, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Derelict on LV-426

    by kiwijar

    Scott has said in an interview that the crashed ship on LV-426 crashed long before the events of prometheus and was carrying a different payload than the ones on LV-223, Eggs vs Canister thing. Canisters/goo on LV-223 are planet seeding, dna changing things we see at the start of the movie and the ship on LV-426 is a 'clean-up' ship used to wipe out a species they no longer want/need?

  • June 8, 2012, 9:18 a.m. CST

    ahh--I see shermdawg beat me to pointing this out

    by batmancw

  • June 8, 2012, 9:23 a.m. CST

    The "Stephen Stills" Dialogue...

    by soladeo1

    With the head pilot fingering the antique accordion where he flirts with Charlize Theron's character... This as a whole set-up for the "punch line" of the pilot triumphantly singing LOVE THE ONE YOU AR WITH at the end of the scene???? Bar none the worst dialogue writing of any major "serious" studio film this year. WD

  • June 8, 2012, 9:23 a.m. CST

    kiwijar

    by eric haislar

    If that's the case then why does the black goo create a alien. See this is what I am talking about. The Goo has no rules to it. It's just a dumb plot device so they can have monsters appear.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:24 a.m. CST

    You spelled "Unanswered" wrong in your video.

    by Chris

  • June 8, 2012, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Well, Ridley must've changed his mind given...

    by Shermdawg

    ...there's a pile of dead Space Jockeys with chestburster wounds, that could be interpreted as test subjects for Queen breeding in LV-223's temple. Also the fact that they reference the facility as a military complex in the film.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Why was this rated "R"?

    by Ironhelix

    It was barely "PG-13".

  • June 8, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST

    ironhelix

    by eric haislar

    Ha I thought the same thing last night. It was hardly violent.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST

    erichaislar

    by kiwijar

    Fair call, it still stands that Scott made the comment that the ship on LV-426 is carrying a different cargo. Maybe he's not even sure how his story works?

  • June 8, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Although I love the movie..

    by Aidil_Afham

  • June 8, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST

    ebert's been way off for years...

    by JAMF

    even before his jaw fell off. he's one of these idiots who says "oooh it asks QUESTIONS! FOUR FUCKING STARS, BABY!"

  • June 8, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Ultratron

    by victor laszlo

    I share your respect for Ebert, but he's pretty off on this one. Much like Harry, he's seems to be in love with the idea of a film like this so much that he's giving Scott a huge pass. Ebert even makes weird mistakes, like "'Cut to a human spaceship in the year 2093, qualifying "Prometheus" for a flash-forward spanning more years than the opening of "2001."... Forgetting that there is a whole scene in between that 'cut', and that the 'cut' is actually a slow cross-fade. I respond to you because I love AVATAR with all my soul, and PROMETHEUS is a godsdamn trainwreck. Gorgeous and full of bold imagery... but almost completely @#$%ing stupid. I have never booed at the top of my lungs at the end of a film, but I did last night, and that shout came from a few independent places in the room.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Although I love the movie...

    by Aidil_Afham

    I found myself frowning at alot of scenes, mainly involving Weyland. I just can't get past the fact that its Guy Pearce in makeup, it looks odd and forced. Why don't they just use an old man? Or Guy Pearce with terminal cancer? And everyone don't seem to be surprised that he's on board, nevermind the fact that he's still alive. And after the suicide crash, the Shaw just took the alien ship, restart it and fly off like it don't give a fuck. Very odd and obvious plot holes. I'm more confused about why Ridley Scott of all people, let those details past him by..

  • June 8, 2012, 9:33 a.m. CST

    That said...

    by victor laszlo

    I'll definitely give it the respect of a second viewing. The imagery does not disappoint at all, and it's possible it will play better on repeat viewing. It's just unfortunate all the non-Fassbender characters act like imbeciles, 'scientists' who have no idea how science works, don't care, and can't make you care about any of those things they don't care about.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:35 a.m. CST

    I think we all wanted to LOVE this film...

    by soladeo1

    ...but what unfolded in front of our eyes and ears, while pretty to look at, was just too flaccid story and dialogue-wise to be believed. At the pre-production stage, when major ideas and plot-threads were being tossed about willy-nilly, some pretty serious mistakes and errors were allowed to sneak through to the final script.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Unanswered Questions...

    by John Ary

    Thanks for the heads up on the misspelling. Thank goodness for Youtube's annotation function.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Not seen Alien

    by kiwijar

    Does anyone know of anyone that has seen this and not seen any of the Alien(s) movies? and what their thoughts of it are? Im interested to hear someones thoughts that had no preconceived notions of what it should be

  • June 8, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST

    This movie rules but here are my questions......

    by Edibowl

    So the engineers were setting up camp on this planet and the liquid black life stuff killed em all, except one?? the black shit is a weapon (from the canisters) that gets out?? so that means that the engineers were going to send these alien pods to earth? for what? but if the engineers were killed by the alien liquid, then why in the beginning is an engineer drinking the shit and killing itself into the waterfall? so really we are just less evolved engineers? that was a different space ship in the beginning as well hovering above. the engineers were going to destroy earth? why? what the hell did humans ever do to them? especially if they are our creators. and why after the one engineer is woken up is it still continuing with its mission of supposedly destroy earth? what does the droid say to the engineer, before the engineer flips out? that is the key to something major I think. Im just glad sigourney weaver didnt show up with a halfshaved head saying "now this is personal".

  • June 8, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Admins, time to upgrade John Ary to BLACK BOX.

    by justmyluck

  • June 8, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST

    PROMETHEUS has gotten better reviews than ALIEN did

    by slone13

    I find this rather intriguing

  • Its ludicrous that people keep saying this. I don't know if its a product of living with government secrecy for so long or some people just can't grasp the concept of a potentially dangerous experiment. Of course the experiment would need to be contained. Not set loose on their own planet. It saddens my heart to think that most people today think like Peter Ludlow. IT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO BRING THE FUCKING DINOSAUR CLONES TO SAN DIEGO!

  • June 8, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST

    It's magic goo

    by catlettuce4

    It can do anything the scriptwriter, director and boosters of the film want, it obeys no rules, it exists to gloop together narrative flaws, character dumbness and the rest of it.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Ug this movie is frustrating

    by eric haislar

    just talking about it points out more and more shit they never cared to answer. It really is a big fuck you to all of us.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Is it necessary for current sci-fi TV and film...

    by MisterManReturns

    ...to have become so convoluted? Granted, good ol' "2001" may have appeared somewhat confusing towards to end, but at least it was pretty straightforward. All I'm reading in the reviews of this film, and Talkbacks, are lists of questions - lots of them. (I know, a sequel is likely coming, but the "Lost" experience doesn't exactly provide encouragement for potential resolution of plot.)

  • June 8, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST

    For once most reviews on here are fair

    by Kakii

    I saw it at IMAX yesterday and yes it may not have been the filmed we all hoped for, it was however enjoyable and Im glad I read a few reviews saying dont go in expecting an alien film. Yes it leaves a lot of questions unanswered etc which was a bit frustrating, however overall I enjoyed it and agree it may take a few more viewings to really come to grips with it. As for the visuals, in IMAX it was stunning and I really liked the fact that the 3D was subtle and really worked well to add depth rather than having things jumping out the screen at you or being the post conversion crap were being fed. Theres only a few films Ive enjoyed in 3D, this is one of them. I think Ridley's choice to just film as per normal rather than having a planned out 3D map was brilliant. One thought has just hit me the more I start to think about it. The Engineers were experimenting with creation and earth was their petri dish, so when the humans came calling it was like a virus escaping from a lab, hence the reaction from the engineer in wanting to kill them all. I think as time went on they created the ultimate killing machine in the xenomorph but needed hosts for them. So they weren't going to destroy earth as such, but create a more perfect creature, maybe as a weapon or just because they thought the xenomorph was superior.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Ridley Scott was right.

    by travismays

    It poses a lot of grand questions such as , who are , where did we come from. Unfortionately it doesn't answer a single damn one of em. Also, there was plenty of opportunity to use the alien creature as more than just an after though. I don't know, the last shot seemed to cheapen it all. All in all though I thought it was a pretty good movie.

  • ...when juxtaposing it against the Prometheus chestburster

  • Shaw - **David, you're getting A-HEAD of yourself.** David - **Would you have a copy of LAWRENCE OF ARABIA to help me get through this trip?**

  • June 8, 2012, 10:09 a.m. CST

    @ edibowl

    by travismays

    The space jockeys were not killed by the black liquid, they were killed by the Alien snakes that were loose on the planet. When they find the pile of bodies they remark that they look like they had exploded from the inside. My theory on the rest if it is this; the space jockeys created the human race as just another military type experiment, same as with the Alien creatures. And over the course of millions of years, after they had left, the human race became what it is today. They were heading back to earth to either finish, or continue the experiment with whatever the black liquid was. As for the Space Jockey at the start, I wondered what the purpose of that was too. I waited the whole movie thinking it was going to tie in. Best I can figure out is that maybe he was left on planet earth/whatever planet he was on, and took his own life as he would have no way of leaving.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Unsurprising that those who love Avatar...

    by kells

    ...would think this movie sucks.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST

    I don't think it's a military base and I don't think that's the first alien

    by theyreflockingthisway

    For a start the alien already existed before the one at the end - they had a mural of it in the engineer ship! Also most of the engineers had been killed by some sort of chestburster. I mean it could be something else like was in Shaw, but it doesn't explain the alien mural. My guess is the black goo manipulates DNA to become that creature as an end result - whether that be by facehugger, worm creature (which also bled acid) or changing the host in a similar way to the egg mutation deleted scene in the original alien. We're not certain it is a military base - it's an alien structure so they're not going to discover its purpose in the short time they were there. However it definitely seems like a place for experimentation or creation - it kind of makes sense to leave a star map to there, rather than their home world, because if we showed up at their planet we could be a threat. It's a neutral meeting ground. As for no one going to check that room after the thing was removed from Shaw, the only one who wanted to keep the creature was David and, straight after that seen, they go to see the engineer with Weyland. The only ones left on ship were the captain, Vickers and those other two - none of them knew or cared about it. Anyway I did love the movie and I'm not going to explain away every "plot hole". If people don't accept the answers or don't like the way the plot went then that's fair enough. There was enough answers for me in the film and the explaination to these "plot holes" seemed pretty relevant to me and I've only seen the film once. I guess this is a film people are either going to love or hate. I loved it, though and can't wait to see it again when it hits DVD.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST

    @kells: Avatard sucked. Prometheus was a HUGE disappointment...

    by obijuanmartinez

  • June 8, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST

    On the black goo

    by travismays

    Everyone is saying it worked for whatever was convenient for a plot device. But really it was consistant in that it seemed to be deadly to the space jockeys, but transformed humans.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:19 a.m. CST

    kells

    by eric haislar

    Avatar at least had a cohesive plot. It didn't try to be a film about big ideas and then completely forget to answer them once it became a tension less monster movie.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:19 a.m. CST

    @edibowl and travismays...

    by Santiago Charboneau

    The original engineer who drank the black liquid disseminated his own DNA into a prehistoric Earth, which is why, when he disintegrated, he fell into water and it cut into the whole DNA/Cell sequence.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Cont.

    by Santiago Charboneau

    So he created human life.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST

    PROMETHEUS was Crystal Skull bad

    by j2talk

    PROMETHEUS was Crystal Skull bad for shear let down factor

  • June 8, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST

    I agree that Avatar had a cohesive plot...

    by kells

    ...it was so cohesive I recognized it as Dances With Wolves almost immediately.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST

    kells

    by eric haislar

    Still.....It works as a film. This not so much.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST

    As for big ideas...

    by kells

    ...I respect a film that shoots for big ideas and fails a lot more than a movie that has no ideas except to transpose an already existing narrative almost beat-for-beat into a science-fiction setting. Notice that doesn't mean it's a better film technically, per se...just that I respect the attempt to grapple with the issues more. I own Avatar on Blu-Ray and it looks beautiful. I also don't deceive myself about what it actually is.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:41 a.m. CST

    um...

    by JAMF

    "a movie that has no ideas except to transpose an already existing narrative almost beat-for-beat into a science-fiction setting" which film is that, avatar or prometheus??

  • June 8, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Black goo

    by bod33

    Why are people complaining that the black goo just has random effects. We know the goo manipulates DNA, and we know the Space Jockeys are engineers. Its not a massive stretch to think the black goo at the start is a different modification to the black goo that the crew discover.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Planet

    by bod33

    Also that proto alien at the end does not start the Alien events, its on a completely different planet.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST

    TERRIBLE and STUPID

    by Laserhead

    Just fucking awful; half-conceived, incoherent, shallow bullshit. Lindelof is a hack on par with whoever wrote for The Love Boat in the 80s. This, THIS total dogshit is why we're not getting Del Toro's 'At the Mountains of Madness'? Fuck everybody who made this shit-stain. A movie needs more than artful shooting. What a fucking embarassment.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    There's no 'big ideas'--

    by Laserhead

    Mission to Mars was deeper.

  • the whole thing seems to be a setup for more films.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:55 a.m. CST

    bod33

    by eric haislar

    Goo destroys Space jockey, Same Goo mutates worms. Should it not destroy them. Goo starts killing Girls boyfriend. Same Goo Makes Mohawk guy into some zombie thing. It's completely random.

  • Fassbender kills Shaw's boyfriend and it seems as though this is never developed - to the point that I thought at the end Shaw would get him to programme the new ship to reach the engineer's planet and then chuck his head out of the window as payback! Arry you mentioned plot holes that I haven't even thought of! The film was visually and idealistically stunning and intriguing but a bad plot and poor performances made it slightly above average

  • June 8, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST

    jamf

    by kells

    The film I am referring to is Avatar. You may consider Prometheus a flawed film, but the science-fiction/philosophical ideas I find to be far more thought-provoking than Avatar's, which is essentially Dances With Wolves on a different planet and which makes most of the same points regarding cultural conflict and ecological disaster. This is not the same as claiming that Prometheus is entirely original - I do, however, think it is LESS derivative than Avatar.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST

    That black goo..

    by Aidil_Afham

    from District 9 that Vickers got infected with and start changing into a prawn.. Hey that's 2 things linking District 9 to Prometheus! Ok seriously, the black goo is a DNA changing..goo. It can create and destroy and it seem to be the focus of the Engineer's culture, with their obsession with birth, death and change. Their whole design looks organic, maybe not made but "grown" through DNA manipulation. Maybe it has something to do with the gel that David wiped off, you could see it was "alive" Which brings us to the Xenomorph. The main idea for the black goo is to give us the concept of the Alien universe and how it came about. We see the xenomorph and instead of saying "Ahh that's the first Alien", you should be saying "Ahh so this is what is possible that can lead to the evolution of the first Alien" For all we know, the very first classic Xeno we saw was birthed from Kane because it came contact with a human.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST

    The hate is entirely found on internet forums

    by Lee

    Yes, it has problems. The last act is a mess, but everything leading up to there is great. A disaster? Fuck you. The one BIG recurring theme throughout the film seems to be parenthood and disappointment (creation and destruction). Vickers is basically disowned by her father who looks to David as his son. David, in turn, has developed his own opinions regarding mankind and those extend to his surrogate father. There are numerous conversations and looks throughout the length of Prometheus reinforcing this point, culminating in David's not so subtle "doesn't everyone want to see their parent's dead". Obviously on a larger scale this applies to the Engineers and us. It's a shame that the final act basically throws all of this out in favour of a rushed monster movie-hybrid. The film has plenty going for it. What it probably needs is the 21 minutes of apparently cut footage. Assuming those serve to generate more dialogue and character moment, the film will feel more coherent. If we saw slightly more of Weyland (despite the shite prosthetics) and Vickers his introduction may actually serve a purpose. Along with tightening up the narrative in the final 30 minutes this would actually go a long way. Trying to leave from work, so everything I've typed has been rushed as hell. Hopefully there is some decent conversation in here later, as opposed to the vitriol I saw scrolling down. Also, as far as I'm concerned the goo causes mutation on exposure and decomposition on ingestion. I thought that was explicit...?

  • June 8, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST

    aidil_afham

    by eric haislar

    For all we know, the very first classic Xeno we saw was birthed from Kane because it came contact with a human. Not true then where did the eggs come from?

  • June 8, 2012, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Another retarded part of Prometheus: Vickers' (Theron) death

    by Autodidact

    It was so ignominious and random and clumsy and underplayed. What a thankless role.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:08 a.m. CST

    I almost feel like the guy coming back as a zombie

    by eric haislar

    was added just because they needed more action in the film. It just comes out of nowhere and really seems out of place with what was going on.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST

    That's because internet forums consist of...

    by kells

    ...people who think they are equal in analytical ability to professional film critics, and the internet is the only way they can indulge their critical fantasies. Unfortunately, this cuts both ways, since the moment they indulge their fantasies they reveal why they aren't professional film critics. But then, it's really all about seeing their rants on the screen and thinking that validates their opinions.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Saw it today, HARRY 1 HATERS 0.

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    Harry was bang on with this movie. I've got no idea what the talkbackers I've read have been going on about. Most of you have either misinterpreted something on screen, or just taken your own conjecture as fact. I was utterly surprised to find that Vickers is not an android in fact, as some talkbackers seem to claim but that she's just Weyland's daughter. Seriously how did some of you manage to fuck up that simple premise?

  • June 8, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Avatar > Prometheus?

    by slone13

    Utter nonsense. Laughable. Anyone who even suggests such a thing needs their geek card revoked.

  • The only good thing about Prometheus is that it does look fantastic. Fassbender and Theron are great. Rapace is good. That is it. Everyother actor is totally miscast. Every character apart from David and Vickers don't seem real and there actions aren't real. They could've used half of them and made a better movie. Pacing is all over the shop, ending rushed and the fanboy Alien part looks strangely out of place and reeks of studio input. Some talentless brown noser like Rothman probably had a hand in it. The chump from Lost should never have come a million miles near this and his involvement as screenwriter is a disaster. The main problem though is that tries to be too many things instead of focusing on one aspect. From Religion, to exploration, to the genesis of life and then add in an action movie/sci fi/monster movie. It's just too much to fit into one movie and if they'd hoped it'd become a new trilogy then surely they could've streamlined it instead of cramming it all in. Movies that leave you with questions are great, but at least give the audience a reason to want to find the answers.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    erichaislar

    by bod33

    You can't say that the goo was killing Shaws boyfriend. We know it was changing him in some form before he made Vickers fry him, who is to say he would not have ended up like mohawk guy in the end. The Alien small worms i assume have different DNA to humans so surely the goo would have a different effect on them.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST

    bod33

    by eric haislar

    To me it looked like he was breaking down just like the jockey at the beginning only slower because it was a small dose.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Second Film

    by bod33

    I do believe this film does have some flaws, but i am hoping that many of the unanswered questions (eggs etc) will be dealt with in the following film or films.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    One thing Scott leaves alot on the cutting room floor

    by eric haislar

    so maybe there is a directors cut in the works and things will be explained better.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST

    erichaislar

    by bod33

    I suppose its down to ones interpretation. I can definitely see why people have a problem with it tho.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    black goo

    by Johnboy40

    Why are people saying the black goo had a different effect on different people? we saw it used on: 1) The engineer at the beginning. it killed him.(assuming it was the same goo, which is likely) 2) The two earthworm things that mutated into the snake things. 3) Holloway. Whose mutation never ran it's course because he was immolated. He might have turned into another fifield The goo wasn't used on Shaw. She was knocked up by an infected Holloway. The goo seemed to have worked on Fifield after the snake acid melted his helmet onto his face, but we dont know that for sure. and if it had, the presence of the snake acid might have had an effect. or the melted plastic or glass. And Biology guy was killed by the snake. so we saw the effect of the goo on 3 different species. wouldnt it have been lazy to have it effect them all in the same way? was LV 223 a weapons dump? we don't actually know. That was Janeks guess. he didn't know that for sure. It's more likely it was a warehouse. Scientists not behaving like scientists.....well, if someone could explain to me how scientists would behave when they arrive on an alien planet, after 2 years in hypersleep, to be told that the plan is to effectively meet god, ill be happy. we know how we think they should behave, but it's not the same thing. Scientists have won nobel prizes for self experimentation. They dont always act like you would expect them to. cos they are people, and people are stupid and irrational.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    @erichaislar

    by rahtard

    Nope, he has said there will never be a director's cut.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Avatar is INDEED better than Prometheus, and I hated Avatar.

    by Ironhelix

  • June 8, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    erichaislar

    by Aidil_Afham

    To me, what the alien had evolved to was part of the continuously changing, rapid evolutionary proccess from the black goo. We seen the eggs and facehuggers but the very first xeno we seen was burst out of Kane. Who knows what the organisms look like before it came into contact with Nostromo. As for who laid the eggs, Ridley Scott did not invent the Queen, he chose it to be ambiguous and shrouded in mystery much like the black goo plot device here. One thing that Prometheus did indirectly was making all the Alien sequels seem dumb, even Aliens.

  • Hollywood, there is no reason to speed up pacing! It generally ruins stories. Some stories are slow, there is nothing wrong with that.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST

    ^^ *their creations*

    by justmyluck

  • June 8, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Assumptions that are exactly that... 'assumptions'

    by Arcane

    In the interest of intelligent discussion about this movie (of which I have had alot with friends who are divided on their opinion) I'd like to add a couple of observations regarding a couple of criticisms people have made that I feel are rather premature. Criticism 1: 'Why would these beings invite us to this planet only to destroy us?' (and variations on this criticism) I feel this criticism is flawed and misses perhaps one of the richer story arcs of the movie. This presumption is based on the misconception that the 'engineers' did any such thing at all. This misconception is deliberately suggested to the crew of the Prometheus (and as such the non-questioning audience member) through the onscreen narrative of Elizabeth Shaw. In short, it is SHAW who, due to her ingrained religious ideology, PERCEIVES the various cave paintings to be 'an invitation', it is SHAW who insists these very same beings are somehow analogous to 'God' and it is SHAW who wishes to reach an understanding of the beings informed by those same views. Where do these preconceptions take the character? Well, how many ways can you interpret the words 'we were SO wrong!' I could talk about this idea. The idea that various ancient civilisations have constructed myth based on fact based on myth etc for hours. The point is that whoever, or whatever, a 'God' is.... it isn't going to fit nicely into any attempts by 'ancient myths' to have described it and its intentions. Criticism 2: The biologist thinks the 'snake-alien worm' is 'cute' and 'wants to pet it'. I find this view easier to refute than the first. For starters, just because that particular scientists tone of voice and posture suggests he is 'non threatening' (in terms he as a human being can understand) to the creature doesn't mean he 'wants to pet it'. It more than likely means he reacts to the disturbing creature in a way that seems most likely to HIM not to threaten an unknown and curious alien life form. In this guy's mind he is trying to LESSEN the possibility of aggression. Do his methods work. No. No they don't; and as a result he is delightfully taken apart. Was he stupid? Perhaps he was. No more stupid than various biologists I can remember in recent years dealing with creatures right here on Earth. Surely people here have seen the attempts by 'shark experts' to prove that sharks aren't aggressive. Hanging around in knee deep water with Bull Sharks for instance.... only to nearly lose a leg. Better yet, how can one forget about the diving expert and shark watcher in Hawaii who, upon seeing a 20ft Great White beside his small boat INSTINCTIVELY JUMPED IN THE WATER NEXT TO IT with nothing but a camera. Do I even need to recount the various adventures of intrepid 'croc hunter' Steve Irwin in order to point to more examples of how some 'experts' deal with sometimes aggressive and dangerous species! I am short on time so have to go now but really wanted to say something about these 'criticisms' people have. I have a review elsewhere the other Prometheus talkbacks where I point to areas where I think this film went more fundamentally wrong.... if anyone is interested. In the meantime.... keep the discussion alive!

  • I still love the movie btw...just ;)

  • June 8, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Prometheus > Avatar

    by donkey_lasher

    As a 3D experience and entertainment. Some of the people on here no doubt cry when a franchise is rebooted or a film is remade, yet piss all over a film like this that has originality.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Black ooze

    by Edibowl

    If the black liquid stuff isnt the hostile alien, then why does dude turn into a maniac when the droid puts some of that liquid in his drink? The more i think about this flick the more i fuckin like it.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST

    arcane1977@hotmail.co.uk

    by Ace of Wands

    answer to Criticism 1: Fine; but in that case what are the paintings/star charts there for?

  • June 8, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Bummer was looking foward to seeing this. Oh well probably still will

    by angry kitty

    Out of respect for Ridley's past work. Worried though that this negative feedback on this is a foreshadowing of what will happen with the Bladerunner Sequel. Because that film was my favorite scifi of all time I will be crushed if they mess that up.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    edibowl

    by donkey_lasher

    I'm the same. The concepts behind it and the unanswered questions are making me want to see it again. I came out of the cinema, not sure about the film other than it looked amazing. But since then, after reading pages upon pages of discussion, I understand it more. This is the best Alien film since Aliens. I want more. In fact, seeing as it looks like Snow White will be getting a sequel, then this deserves one so much more.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    ace of wands

    by Johnboy40

    they could have meant *come near this place and we will fuck your shit up* the beacon from LV-426 in alien wasn't a distress call, it was a stay the fuck away call. we got that one so wrong too.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Looked and Felt like a classic sci-fi story.

    by Darth Philbin

    If you hated it, first go fuck yourself and then go watch Avengers for the 4th time.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Donkey lasher

    by Johnboy40

    The fact that people are discussing the content shows its better than some are giving it credit for. I didn't love it, I thought it was intriguing but flawed. I do want to see a sequel because I'm very curious about where the narrative is going. As long as they don't introduce some dopey time travel shit to how the LV 426 derelict got there.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Im sorry...but anyone that claims Avatar is

    by southafricanguy

    retarded but then defends this film as being deep and "full of ideas" whilst completely ignoring its spectacularly reatarded moments is a hypocrite of epic proportions..... This film is no less flawed or dissapointing.....Anyone that shits on Avatar but praises this film is 100% full of shit. Please tell me about all the well developed three dimensional characters in Prometheus, and their often beyond dumb behavior.....or please tell me how or why u gave a shit when any one of the utterly disposable characters died. And dont even get started on the non-character that Charlize theron is given to play. Or how about that completely absurd ending with Shaws beyond stupid and completely illogical plan which is only the result of the film being a prequal and thus they have to come up with some bullshit as she simply cant go back to Earth as it would contradict what we know in Alien/Aliens.... or please explain how the beyond lame/retarded "origin" of the xenomorph in the last few minutes thrown in there so clumsily and sloppily is not anything more than fanwank serive to at the last minute tie it to Alien......

  • June 8, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Fewer AICN videos, please. I want to read articles.

    by tomandshell

  • June 8, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    i will thanks...

    by JAMF

    the avengers was a quality piece of work. prometheus will go down as another lazy case of prequelitis from a senile filmmaker.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Donkey

    by Edibowl

    Yeah, as odd fitting as the final sequence was i think it ruled and thinking that ultimately we and the alien are creations of the engineers. For people that are saying it isnt a prequel, it obviously is, i just hope upon second watch that some of the questions can be answered, if not then i hope they have a sequel! Plus i disagree with most, once the creatures start attacking i think is when the film really picked up, the giant facehugger squid nutsack at the end was great. Just need some more explanations on the engineers motives! Fuck yes!

  • June 8, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    @ace of wands

    by Aidil_Afham

    Those are the early civilisation's sightings or observations of godlike beings. Maybe a symbol to worship on, not to seek and meet its creator, asking for more life. That is what Shaw chose to believe, chose to hope for. She said "we were wrong" at one of the last few scenes no? I think so I don't remember. But I bet the engineers weren't counting on earthling smartasses to come and knock on their door. No wonder the engineer went batshit insane, I could hear him say "Fuck you" when he ripped David's head off haha.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Avatar is certainly one very flawed film..but

    by southafricanguy

    guess what? so is Promethues.....you are nt clever because you like Prometheus.....because its no more clever a film. There is more than enough very stupid shit in there (no doubt courtesy of Damon Lindelof) to roll your eyes at.....Its not deep and profound just becasue Scott directed it, or just because they keep asking the same deep questions in the film in the form of constant exposition....the film would have to actually explore those questions...but its far too busy being a completely unscary horror film in its second half....

  • June 8, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Ace of wands...

    by Arcane

    Good question. Let's start with an obvious notion. Most obviously you take Shaw's assumption and turn it on its head. They are not an invitation.. they are a 'warning' Maybe. Maybe not. It's possible. Perhaps they are there simply in answer to various questions posed to the creators by ancient humans (read: early lab rats). Perhaps they serve as demonstrations of wisdom in some mysterious and unfathomable way by the walking agents of creation. Perhaps the meaning we attach to the information given to us by such uber-beings is severly limited due to our inability to grasp their epistimolgy etc. Fundamentally what I'm saying is that just as Shaw found out; when dealing with Gods... our questions would outnumber our answers for a very long time indeed. No question about it... for better or worse...the film is deliberately obtuse =P

  • June 8, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    For ace of wands, again

    by Johnboy40

    Someone ( can't remember who) pointed out in a different talkback that maybe they decided to do us in roughly 2000 years ago...or, when we stopped worshiping them in a big way. Maybe the paintings were an invite, but they never expected us to go there cos they planned to do us in. Maybe it was touching David's head, and realising he was synthetic,and we were now creating life made the surviving space jockey decide to finish the job, and not anything that David actually said to him. Whatever it's flaws, it's certainly got some of us talking and thinking

  • June 8, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST

    I can understand

    by donkey_lasher

    Why some people think that the film went downhill when the aliens started attacking, as it did feel like the writers simply said 'enough of this shit, lets KILL EM ALL' after setting up the backstory. The Alien didn't feel forced either, as it was pretty obvious as soon as the giant facehugger attacked that we'd see it shortly afterwards. It was a good job Shaw and Daniel didn't hand around! But what makes films like this so good are the debates they create: Why were the murals there? What was the green pod used for? Did the Engineer at the end 'engineer' the outbreak in the first place before entering a stasis pod?

  • Couldn't believe how bad it was. And pointless. First off... The score is nonexistent. It's more like a typical modern cut & paste job than a real score anyhow. There's a Star Trek like theme that seems to play constantly, other than that it's a bunch of noises and shit that seems more DJ'd than composed. As a musician I find it infuriating when I hear material that is far inferior to what I myself could do. The people getting paid are supposed to be the cream of the crop. I could have done a better score in my sleep. Secondly - it appears they have fucked the IMAX 3D version and cropped it rather than allowing black bars to appear at the top and bottom. All the previews had black bars. It is impossible for a film which was shot 2.35:1 like PROMETHEUS to fill the ENTIRE IMAX SCREEN and NOT be cropped. This is fucking bullshit and I could tell. Third of all - The Space Jockey? Are you fucking kidding us? HE can't even speak a fucking word? He behaves like The Incredible Hulk? SERIOUSLY? I mean come on. They are super intelligent, right? HE obviously fails in eliminating the humans. Wouldn't it have been a better strategy to befriend them and then kill them when they weren't expecting it? Wouldn't that be what an intelligent being does? Why does he behave like "hulk smash things" ? I get it. He was woke up before his time. He was angry. But even so, I can not accept the absolute lack of any attempt to communicate. The story - Which serves as basically a play-by-numbers that makes us have to get from one point to another. The story was as if a 12 year old wrote it. Granted... So is everything else out today it seems. There is nothing worth shit and even PROMETHEUS is better than most crap out today but that is NOT SAYING A LOT! There was zero character development and no one acted in a believable fashion. The whole movie feels like Ridley just didn't have his heart in it and that is a HUGE shame! The creature design - Giger does great on the murels, how come he couldn't have done the fucking creature design? The single worst scene in the entire movie is the fucking epilog. GOOD FUCKING GOD! ARE THEY KIDDING US? The creature that comes out of the Jockey looks fucking STUPID - And then it Camerons out on us and poses and ROARS? Seriously people - this is like something from AVP. I fucking CRINGED and was EMBARRASSED. Over use of CGI - I did NOT expect to be saying this but again, from the opening shots of a terrible CGI Jockey disintegrating and the whole over-used since Starman (which actually looks better) zoom in on the cells and DNA bit. There was no reason to use a CGI Jockey, all he is is a big dude - isn't that why they went with humanoid Jockeys in the first place? Because it would be easier to do since it's just big dudes? Then why the fuck CGI him disintegrating? It was fucking terrible and things went downhill from that point on. TERRIBLE but ya know what? As I've said before... IT IS STILL BETTER THAN EVERYTHING ELSE OUT TODAY AND I'M SURE IT WILL MAKE A SHIT LOAD! Fucking sad. Kingdom of Heaven bombs but this wins. All this does is send Ridley the message that his best work sucks and his worst work rocks. Fucking kids today ruin everything. DISAPPOINTED, - MENTALDOMINANCE -

  • June 8, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    uummm....what metaldominace said....

    by southafricanguy

  • 3D is a fucking gimmick. The new Spiderman trailer looked like one of those pop up paper cutout things. Totally fake and unrealistic. Like PAPER MARIO. Like old school Amiga parallax scrolling. Every element stands out. It's not realistic at all. And it also makes shit look worse. The scenes in PROMETHEUS that looked fake in 3D looked decent when I took the glasses off, in spite of the distortion. Why? Because they didn't unrealistically bring shit out. Oh and that ending... That terrible, terrible ending with the CGI tounge popping out... Just terrible on all fronts. Almost Cormanish, just a tad above Ed Wood.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    there's absolutely no point to the whole thing

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    it's a setup for a sequel that may or may not happen. Not much is proferred, and nothing is answered. I understand stringing people along to rob them of their money but come on... It was good seeing Guy Pearce survive time and the depths of space only to get twatted on the head. Any suggestions on how to explain the jockeys leaving a star map for humankind to find, only to attempt to wipe them out when they do get there? The answer cannot be 'we'll see in the sequel'. Also, that omnipresent holograph recorder that follows the aliens around in order to one day catch their final moments and display them in a spatially-correct setting was shit.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Re c section machine

    by Johnboy40

    That sorta thing happens all the time. Like the big red bird thing in avatar. When jake illy is told no one has flown that since the time of great puddle puddle, they might as well as held up a sign saying jake would. However, if we didn't see the machine before hand, omeone else would have asked here the machine magically came fom.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Ridley Scott on 'extended cut'

    by Fortunesfool

    He was interviewed in the UK on Mark Kermode's radio show and admitted that there was lots of scenes he took out and that he might like to add back to connect to the next ones (if they get made). Never say never he said, about an extended cut. Sounds like he's backtracking a bit on previous interviews where he said the Theatrical Cut 'is it'.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    by Johnboy40

    hrmmm dunno where this went.. the c section machine....if it hadnt been seen before, someone else would be asking why the magic medicine machine suddenly appeared from nowhere. and its not like that shit doesnt happen anywhere else.. in avatar, where jake was told that the big red lizard hadnt been ridden since the time of the great piddle piddle, they might as well have hung a reserved for jake sully sign round its neck.

  • June 8, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    I admire this film because it really swung for the fences...

    by victor laszlo

    I'll always respect an inspired failure over generic mediocrity. There are startling images, and I'm always glad to have another big space film. There's an awesome conversation to have about this one and that counts for a lot in my book. But I will articulate my thoughts on that conversation, many of which are negative. I think a lot of the anger comes from the notion that everyone did their job admirably... except the screenwriters. There is so much amazing artistry on display, but delivered seemingly without much thought for believable characterization. When Ridley was left alone, like the wordless opening, from pre-history to David alone on the ship, it works marvelously. When characters start talking, the downward slope begins. Say what you will about some of the clunky human dialogue in Avatar, but everyone in that film behaves in a manner consistent with their established traits and the situations they are confronted with. The scientists in that film emphasize good observation, skepticism, emotional detachment, and they express wonder and awe for the new world they have the privilege of exploring. They have been carefully studying Pandora for years, much in the manner actual scientific studies play out. By contrast, Prometheus science team leader Holloway is such a petulant child he drinks himself into a stupor the first night because he didn't get to shake hands with an Engineer within 6 hours of landing. He immediately asserts they're all dead? You guys haven't even started looking yet. The laser scan data of the tunnels had barely begun. He even makes a joke about not being a skeptic. Lindelof isn't interested in science, or actual answers to questions, despite the poorly researched lip service. He is more interested in personal philosophy and belief. Which is fine, but they didn't do their homework. That doesn't work so well when your story is about a scientific exploration team. Does anyone really think a guy piloting deep space missions really 'doesn't care' about what is out there? That the first exo-geologist to get a look inside an alien hollow mountain just wants to go back to the ship? That no one but Noomi is especially impressed with anything they see inside, beyond being a little creeped out? A lot of the same problems SPHERE had. I'm no expert, but I know just enough about real science work and space mission design to ruin films like this, that only try to be accurate in the production design. Avatar, by contrast, is a brilliant breath of fresh air to anyone even mildly versed in that world. I anxiously await Copernicus' appraisal of Prometheus. While there are cool ideas based on current topics within, the way they are handled just screams BS to me. Finally, a lot of the knee-jerk revulsion of the film is coming from those final images, and rightfully so. Even I was coming around to the finale, enjoying the prospect of Rapace and Fassbenders' head-in-a-bag in charge of a sweet alien starcraft... but cutting back to the xenomorph thing was such a pandering spit to the face that it left me reminded of all the things I didn't like about the film on my way out, and really affected my overall attitude.

  • June 8, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    supposed 'plot holes' explained:

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    1. The stuff used at the start does not strictly speaking have to be the weaponised stuff found on the planet. It's the same biochemistry, yes, but saying it's the same stuff is like saying all bacteria acts the same way. Deliberatly concoctated drink meant to start Earth's life does not = leaking weaponised ooze that mutates DNA on contact. I admit that is MY conjecture, but there is no reason to assume they are identical unless you are just trying to create areas that don't make sense for yourselves. 2. Vickers is not an android. She's Wayland's daughter. They have a conversation about how she's supposed to run the company while he's away and that she defied him. Their relationship is strained, hence she's a cold business-like bitch. That's why the joke about her being a robot by the captain works, and why he gets to sleep with her. She doesn't want to be there. This is also why we see tension between her and David, because Weyland says David is like his son - It's clear he wanted sons, not daughters. Food for thought: This would go some way to explaining how Weyland becomes Weyland-Yutani. With no heir surviving, the company would go public and who better to buy majority shares than Weyland's biggest rival? 3. Holloway 'acting like an asshole' and taking his helmet off - Their readings said the atmosphere was breathable and David confirms it. He's excited, he's impatient. He's also a little rebellious given he's just been told by Vickers he's an employee and they aren't there for the reasons they thought they were. Maybe you could argue that there could still be airborne alien pathogens, but then you could also assume their equipment saying the air is breathable is taking that into account. 4. The Jockey's inviting us only to kill us - They didn't invite us. That's how Shaw and her team interpret the data. They were nothing more than the Jockey's showing early humans where they came from: *points to sky* "that cluster of five stars there!" the invitation was Shaw and her teams leap of optimistic logic. 5. The Jockey's creating us only to want us dead - Well, that's a question posed by the movie itself, hence the ending as Shaw wants to know exactly that. That's not a plot hole then, is it? If I missed anything, I'm sorry. Remind me and I'll address it. Small things like the med unit even existing, or her ability to have children do not need any explaining. ALL movies have stuff like that. It's suspension of disbelief so we actually have a functioning movie. If you're sweating the small stuff, you have it out for this film anyway. Finally the things that DID stick out to me as minor issues: 1. When the Captain asks the lost two scientists for their location, when their beacons are clear as day on the display in front of him. An issue in post-production clearly, as it's only the special effect of the map that's ruining this point. 2. the 'DNA Match' should say 'DNA Derivative' if anything. A match would make them human, and we evolved way after the jockey's initiated all life on Earth, so it it's an insane leap of faith to assume that would be accurate. However, I assume 'DNA Match' is just simpler to convey to an audience without having to explain it further.

  • June 8, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST

    "HULK SMASH THINGS!" = SPACE JOCKEY

    by MENTALDOMINANCE

  • June 8, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST

    'If you like/dislike Avatar, then you MUST like/dislike...'

    by AnalFissure

    Enough of this shit, you twating mongs.

  • June 8, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    magic medicine machine

    by Johnboy40

    speaking for myself, i never really saw that as a problem. its a convenient plot advancement machine. we see them all the time. Logically, they would do surgery with magic medicine machines in the future. we are heading that way already with remote control robots performing major ops. and with a seriously ill trillionaire with piss poor old man make up on the prometheus, it makes sense they would have something like that on board.

  • June 8, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST

    by thedarkone

    Its a biological dna altearing weapon meant to change an organisms d.n.a and make it into something more powerfull and evolved toward beeing a weapon.Remember the worms wrigling in the black goo?those were the original creatures that the white alien snakes came from!!!

  • June 8, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    edibowl black ooze

    by thedarkone

    Its a biological d.n.a altearing weapon meant to change an organisms d.n.a and make it into something more powerfull and evolved toward beeing a weapon.Remember the worms wrigling in the black goo?those were the original creatures that the white alien snakes came from!!!

  • June 8, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Great reference to the actual Greek Prometheus story

    by BeMoreFunny

    the Titan is sentenced to getting his intestines ripped out by eagles over and over again while he's chained to a rock as punishment--the best scene in the movie, the emergency alien abortion, strongly evoked that. Shaw's stomach is ripped open, and you see it being ripped open in great, painful detail. Punishment for challenging the gods. Another thing, not so good: did Idris Elba and Charlize Theron have sex? She just said 'Meet me in my room in 10 minutes'...so did they fuck or what? Why include that? It had nothing to do with anything and was a weak, obvious effort to shoehorn in some humanity onto the Vickers character. Also, why would Idris Elba crash the ship into the departing Engineer ship? Based on Shaw's hunch that the Engineer was going to Earth, to destroy it? Why was Shaw so certain of this? And why would Idris Elba believe her enough to sacrifice his trillion dollar ship and the lives of his co-pilots?

  • June 8, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    bemorefunny

    by Johnboy40

    Idris' character was the one that suggested the planet was a weapons dump. So he thought the space jockeys' ship was some kind of bomber, i would suggest, and on its way to earth to get up to no good.

  • June 8, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    travismays

    by thedarkone

    Well if you notice one the engineers in the first scene of barren Earth he drinks it so he can seed the planet with life!It kills them but it just mutates us because we were born from it!

  • June 8, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST

    I love the way

    by donkey_lasher

    That some here troll several talkbacks telling how much this film sucked. It's generated this much interest, that I think it's a success.

  • June 8, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Black Omnipotent Liquid

    by BeMoreFunny

    Was the substance that the Engineer in the opening scene drank that created life on Earth the same as the substance that created zombie Fifield, massive worms, and alien squid baby? I'm guessing no... What was the black substance? A biological warfare material? That was going to be dropped on Earth by the one surviving Engineer at the end? What would the effect of dropping the black ooze on earth be? It would just turn all life on earth into crazy monster life? A sequel about Shaw and David traveling to the Engineer's home world would be seriously bad ass. (Although I'm sure McG will direct it and it will be terrible).

  • June 8, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST

    WTF, THE GOO GOD DID IT?

    by donkey_lasher

    THATS SO LAME!!!11!! I feel cheated.

  • June 8, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    You have to hand it to Scott & Lindeloff...

    by BeMoreFunny

    even though the film is far from perfect, the ending scene where the Engineer fights the massive alien squid, which had some of Shaw's human DNA, was fantastic, inspired, lunatic sci fi mayhem. Just think about how intense that series of events is: an ancient, physically and scientifically superior humanoid fights with a massive, mutant alien squid birthed from a human, and is ultimately ingested by the squid. That is extremely cool, and that sequence feels totally earned by the story, all the elements of that sequence were established, but I didn't see them colliding like that. When they did, it totally made sense. It was also great how the confrontation was rather quick--a lesser director would have made that scene into an elaborate, 10 minute action set piece. Making it brief and brutal was better. At first I didn't at all like how a proto xenomorph emerged from the dead Engineer's stomach after that confrontation. It seemed nonsensical and dumb. But the more I think about it, the more I like it. The alien squid was the result of black liquid combining with human DNA. The xenomorph was the result of the squid combining with Engineer DNA. The alien squid was a formidable killing machine, but imperfect, clumsy, not efficient. The xenomorph is of course a 'perfect organism' in terms of its lethalness. The difference between the xenomorph and the squid highlights the difference between Engineers and humans--Engineers are that much more highly evolved and superior, so they resulted in the xenomorphs, a far more elegant and efficient killing machine than the squid.

  • June 8, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Earth in the opening scene is already teeming with life

    by Laserhead

    Earth in the opening scene is not some barren wasteland-- it's full of water and plants, and there's no sign that there isn't life there already. Again, Mission to Mars did this shit, and there's no big questions explored here.

  • June 8, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Stupid. White. Person.

    by UltimaRex

    It's an alien snake thing! You can't pet it! It's opened up like a cobra and is making threatening noises. BACK THE FUCK OFF!!!... Oh great, now it's broken your arm and rammed itself down your fool throat. Y'know what? You deserved it you mook. No sympathy. At all.

  • June 8, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Why did David poison Holloway?

    by BeMoreFunny

    Was it because he knew Holloway would get Shaw pregnant with an alien child? So was that the whole secret point of the mission, to bring an alien back in Shaw's cryogenically frozen body? If so, why didn't the crew do more to make sure she couldn't abort it? And wouldn't it have been more awkward when she staggered into Weyland's secret chamber, covered in alien abortion blood? Wouldn't Weyland have been pissed off at her, and his crew, for letting that happen? Instead they just chat like nothing happened. Also, what exactly happened to Fifield to turn him into that super powered zombie killing machine? He fell face first into the black ooze, and then...zombie time!? How, why? And isn't it a bit strange to just have a mysterious black substance be the basis of everything, and not explain what it is at all? Also, I'm tired of the Alien franchise (and fuck it, this is part of it) having its characters investigate the ruins of things that happened hundreds or thousands of years earlier. In Alien, the Space Jockey had been dead for a long, long time. In Prometheus, the Engineers had been dead (except for one) for 2,000 years. Why not show us what the hell that place was like when it all was actually taking place, instead of just showing dumb humans trying to piece it together thousands of years later?

  • Anybody? Hackwork.

  • June 8, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST

    sci-fi prequels are at a decided disadvantage

    by thelordofhell

    You know it's always going to have a slicker look than the originals. But the technology is always better in the prequels than the originals. If the original Alien crew had half of the tech that Prometheus had, the Alien would never had been born.

  • ALL SHOW. NO GO.

  • June 8, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    @chronicallydepressedlemming You want plot holes?

    by Lemure_v2

    Scientists accept a mission that will take up two years of their life just getting there...and aren't told anything about it till they get there? The med machine doesn't know what a C-section is? Or if it's attuned only to men, why does Vickers have one? Geologist who LOVES ROCKS, doesn't once analyse any rock at all in any way. After the C-section, Shaw runs around the corridors spreading contaminant everywhere (for someone who's anal about such things)...and then negelcts to tell anyone what's just happened...oh and that there's now an alien lifeform in Vickers' cabin.

  • June 8, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST

    lemure_v2

    by eric haislar

    The machine was for wayland.

  • June 8, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Shaw gives birth to Cthulhu!

    by Laserhead

    How did everybody not get that?!?!

  • June 8, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST

    endless plot holes...

    by Lemure_v2

    why did tentacle monster grow so big so quickly. Yeah, they said there was food in the cabin, but not tentacle monster food. How did those two scientists manage to get lost? They left before the others and could have just said "Captain, can you guide us out of here using your 3D map." In one room, they store the cannisters in stacks. In another they lay them out on the floor around a giant head. (?) Albinos have amazing touch-screen technology...but start their computers with a flute and squishy buttons. I wanted to like it, but the continual plot holes were massive and unavoidable.

  • June 8, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST

    YES, PROMETHEUS > AVATAR. BARELY.

    by Astronut

    Only because the subject matter being addressed is better than a bunch of stupid blue cat people running around in the jungle. Still, wow............. what a HUGE, HUUUUUUUGE disappointment.

  • Great visuals. Shit execution with regard to plot and characterization. There is NO EXCUSE for this. None. WHAT IN THE FUCK HAPPENED???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOLY SHIT!!!

  • June 8, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST

    @ erichaislar

    by Lemure_v2

    Is that an assumption, or did I miss the bit that made it clear? Then why does Vickers have it in her cabin?

  • June 8, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Can we stop using "plot holes"...

    by BeMoreFunny

    To refer to narrative or character choices, or even small details, that you didn't agree with? Questioning the technology of the Engineers, or how the squid evolved, is not a plot hole, it's just you not liking a choice the filmmakers made.

  • June 8, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST

    I hated Gladiator

    by My best friend

    And I wanted to see this until I found out that is ha relations to Alien. I don't like the Alien films either. Love Blade Runner though.

  • June 8, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST

    @bemorefunny

    by Lemure_v2

    Can refer to them as "fuck-ups", if it'll make it easier for you...

  • June 8, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    i don't care

    by treatment

    i'm 40... figure i got another 40 if lucky. aliens is my fav sci-fi flick of all time. if it came out today it'd still be perfect. i don't care what the result of prometheus is- good, bad, indifferent ...i'm still gonna watch it, still gonna resonate with me. same as star wars prequels... i'm glad george made em. they enhance my life, for better/worse.

  • Serious. W T F ???????????

  • June 8, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    lemure_v2

    by eric haislar

    Thats what I took from it why else would be it be made for a man. Unless Vickers has some serous explaining to do to.

  • June 8, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Some thoughts

    by Adexsi

    Now that I've finally had a chance to see the film... I loved every minute of it. It had everything I enjoyed about Alien and the entire series. So for the people that are complaining about plot holes, etc... 1) Alien (at the theater) was dark (as in one could barely see anything) but set a good mood. Alien on BluRay rocks! Wish it was that lit in the theater version. The reason the first movie did so well was this was a smart alien and it didn't look like crap (for the parts you did see). Why did we like the face hugger? Because you could see it and it looked f-ing cool! For the people who keep harping that it's so great that it was dark I call bull.... Aliens showed a ton more and people loved it even more... myself included. 2) Prometheus is the best 3d I've seen to date. It was well lit and you could really take in the incredible scenery. 3) From all the comments I've read it's become very apparent that most people on here either have never worked recently in a research lab or have worked with a group of scientists. Everything in Prometheus (I'm happy to say that Ridley Scott definitely did his homework here) is very accurate. Teams of scientists today are a blend of different scientific backgrounds who work on discovering something new. There are often very, very different personalities. And yes, the toys scientists have today are pretty f-ing cool.... not far off from what is in the movie. Prometheus has several issues that it wants us to think about... for the few that are unaware: A) A lot of people in the US think that scientists have no faith which is false. Sometimes science and faith are in conflict and sometimes not. For some faith defines the ethics and morals guiding where science leads. B) Research in academia used to be primarily sponsored by the government at both the state and national level which allowed it to be neutral in it's pursuits. Now a good part of research is driven by private industry. C) A good part of the movie deals with life and death. DNA and RNA are life. Given a few changes and it becomes death. Viruses breed death but can also give life. Think yin and yang. D) David was learning everything about the engineers prior to arrival. Think IBM's Watson 75 years from now. E) And how do we know where to land? Statistics my friend... statistics. It's like asking, "How did you find oil on property X?" Do you think it's like the old days and done randomly? If anything I'm impressed that with all the hype and high expectations that even the worst critics can say is still not a lot. Avengers didn't have the same amount of hype. Sure, everyone wanted to see it but everyone was holding back wondering if Joss did a good job or not. Scott is a master and everyone was expecting greatness and with enough thought he delivered. I never saw the series Lost on TV so I can't say anything about the writer. I personally thought it captured the essence of the state of science today projected into the future. Can't wait for the sequel!

  • June 8, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Something sinister going on with AICN coverage of Prometheus

    by dastickboy

    What's the deal here, the film has massive flaws that are obvious to anyone that has watched it, yet AICN reviews have been extremely temperate. I think the only one to really put the film on the stand has been The Kidd's review. What I don't get is that Fox are behind Prometheus, and they've usually served as AICN's chew-toy.

  • June 8, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Serious

    by eric haislar

    serous = Serious

  • June 8, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST

    lemure v2

    by Johnboy40

    did they really need to then hang up a sign saying *the magic medicine machine is for Weyland* when we didn't even know for sure that he was there at that point, although it had been implied. after we know he is there, it's obvious who the machine is for.(and Vickers cabin was also the ejectable lifepod.knowing what we know now, the lifepod was probably never intended for vickers) why shouldnt the tentacle monster grow quickly? does everything have to grow at the same rate as us? the stacked cannisters were in the ship. the ones in the room were in the temple. David even called the room with the stacked cannisters a cargo bay when he went there with weyland. scientists accept mission..maybe they were offered huge piles of cash by the trillionaire funding said mission. One of them did say he was there to get rich. dollar signs do funny things to people. (I had more of a problem that none of them seemed to meet each other before the mission though. same explanation i suppose). and there were only what, 5 scientists there anyway. (Holloway, Shaw, FiField, biologist and medicine scots nurse woman). everyone else was, it seemed, already an employee of Weyland and just doing what they were told. I will give you the scientists in the temple though. Unless, of course, they wandered into a bit that wasnt mapped..and the storm had settled in before they found their way to a mapped part. sometimes you just have to take a leap of faith

  • June 8, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Not that bad.

    by Steve

    Looking forward to the next one though. I think the "non pay off" feeling also comes from too much pre knowledge about the story line. No surprises when you've seen it all in trailers, clips and viral vids.

  • June 8, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    mentaldominance - stop. You sound like a child.

    by irishraidersfan

    It's just your opinion, not fact.

  • June 8, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Oh my sweet God

    by Mumbo

    You are all such fucking ADHD imbeciles. All these supposed 'plot holes' are blindingly obvious to anyone who was actually paying attention. There's such a stinking sense of entitlement in this assumption that a film has to service all your questions, preconceptions and fan baggage entering this movie. Numerous fan wankers saying this movie is a giant 'fuck you'... WHAT? This movie is a gift. It's such a ballsy, daring, smart, huge and sprawling science fiction. Sure we can't immediately embrace it as perfect - but Blade Runner isn't perfect by any means. History deifies imperfections. There has been nothing as out-there and original and ground breaking in cinema for DECADES. And you moronic, spoon-fed fan-wankers piss all over it - and laud Avatar... fucking AVATAR as a better sci-fi. You WHAT? Read the coherent, simplistic explanations of the 'plot-holes' in this film above. Watch the movie a second time. Put your brain into gear.... you foaming, sugar-addled morons. Have an opinion, fine. We all have them. We don't all have to love this film (like I do). We're all different. But if you're going to state your 'criticisms' based on errors in the film, have the courtesy to fucking pay attention. When the same people complain about character development in Prometheus; yet fornicate over paint-by-numbers Avatar, or ANY slasher film, hell... even the original Alien films - there's something iffy. When the same people then complain about 'incoherent plot' - who lapped up The Avengers, and a dozen other movies with far less sophisticated plotting - you should start to doubt someone's integrity. You're all on the wrong side of history. The critical reaction to Prometheus echoes the exact same reaction to Blade Runner and Alien - i.e. "incoherent plot" (Blade Runner), "lack of character development" (Alien), "plot holes" (both) etc. The "disappointment" seems very similar to critical reactions based on Harrison Ford being better known as an action star. Guess what? Both movies are seminal works that changed the face of cinema. If we're LUCKY - Prometheus will do the same. Flaws and all.

  • June 8, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Major plot holes yes ... Great film though

    by Michael

    There are a lot of annoying plot holes, some actually very traditional for horror type films, Nevertheless I think Scott did something very interesting here. If you step back and look at the big picture, he has a created a film that has nothing and everything to do with Aliens. First the nothing; the exploration of where we came from Peter weyland and Shaw represent the all of mans vanity and ambition which always lead to our demise. Shaw wants to know why, man has always asked this, we need to know , are we special, cannot be an accident we are important . Then there's Weyland who doesn't care why, he just wants to live forever and be young again Two very different ideas that have been with humanity since the beginning. So in their search they inadvertently start the destruction of the human race with the awakening of the " engineer" who wants to destroy humanity for some reason. Thankfully the engineer is stopped. But the damage has already been done. Their actions have already started a chain reaction that results what will utimatly be will be the Alien xenomorph. A perfect killing machine that can destroy the human race. At least that's what the Alien films have taught us. So that last scene isn't just for the fans , at least not only, it represents that through our own ambition and vanity we will destroy ourselves. Or maybe not, still freakin cool nonetheless

  • June 8, 2012, 3:06 p.m. CST

    HEY, psycho_rat_attack. YOU'RE WRONG.

    by Astronut

    The AVENGERS HAD A FUCKING COHERENT PLOT, you fucking dip shit. PROMETHEUS DOES NOT. And I say this being someone who has watched ALIEN 60+ TIMES.... ALIENS 30-40 TIMES... I LOVE RIDLEY SCOTT. I LOVE GLADIATOR. I LOVE BLACK HAWK DOWN. I LOVE BLADE RUNNER. THIS - - - - - - THIS IS RIDICULOUS BULLSHIT. PROMETHEUS LOOKS LIKE A TRILLION DOLLARS, I WILL GIVE YOU THAT. BUT IT IS DOLLAR STORE WHEN IT COMES TO NEARLY EVERYTHING ELSE. WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT A FEW PLOT HOLES??? OTHER THAN THE OVERALL CONCEPT, THIS FILM HAS NO MEANING!!! NONE!!! Other than Fassbender and (ocassionaly, Rappace), the film suffers from absolute and total MISGUIDANCE! IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE. IT DOESN'T KNOW WHAT IT WANTS TO BE. IT HAS ALL KINDS OF FUCKING DIP SHIT MOMENTS SUCH AS: THE TWO BUMBLING FOOLS IN THE PYRAMID - - - WHO SAY, "WE ARE HEADING BACK TO THE SHIP, FUCK THIS" AND THEN LATER WE SEE THEM STILL STUCK IN THE PYRAMID WHEN EVEYONE ELSE HAS LEFT! SO DID THEY GET LOST? WTF??? WE GET NO ENUNCIATION ON ANY OF THIS! RAPPACE GETS A C-SECTION, THEN PROCEEDS TO WALK AROUND, WITH NO OFFER OF EXPLANATION, NO ONE QUESTIONS ANY OF IT. LIKE, WOULDN'T SOMEONE SAY, "WTF HAPPENED TO YOU?"....... SOMETHING????? THERE ARE AT LEAST FIVE OR SIX OTHER WTFs IN THIS FILM THAT WOULD MAKE ANY SANE PERSON SAY TO THEMSELVES, "YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME." THIS IS INTELLIGENT FILMMAKING? REALLY? REALLY?????

  • I stand by my statement.

  • June 8, 2012, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Prometheus. More like dogshit.

    by elsewhere

  • June 8, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Why did people even need to go into the alien ship?? at all??

    by thelordofhell

    You had the one guy throw those magical map making balls.....why didn't they just use the android to do that?? With all the incredible tech they had on the ship, they didn't have a remote drone to fly around and give pictures back?? They make pains to say a human won't survive 20 seconds in the alien world without a suit, yet in the end, the woman has exposed hands (thus exposed suit) and doesn't die?? They take off their helmets and leave them in a room in the alien ship and walk around?? What would have happened if the inner atmosphere of the ship suddenly became compromised?? This film was chock full of stupid things.

  • I cannot believe anyone buying into this film as a whole. It fucking stinks. Other than the glorious cinematography, the effects.... it STINKS.

  • We were told from the start this is not an Alien film. I went into the movie understanding that, but if you base a move in the same universe as Alien, you have to play by the rules set in that universe. Right near the start we are shown we are not going to LV-426 but instead LV-223. Why? Are we being set up for something bigger? We watch and wait and by the end, never give an explanation. The only reason I can come up with is one simple fact. The film makers wanted to be lazy. If major plot holes come up or things don't add up to what we saw in the start of "Alien" they can simply say...ohh this is a different planet. Don't be fooled by this game. Even if you buy into the non-sense that its okay it takes place on a different planet, then think of this. Your telling me then, that on two different planets a huge alien spaceship crash lands with a gaping hole in its side. That what it takes to make an "Alien" (showed in the end of the film) happens twice? No, this is a script writer being lazy and his lame excuse so he doesn't have to play by the rules. If you are going to set a movie in the Alien universe it needs to in some way tie in together to make a logical story. Rumor has it they are going to make a Jurrasic Park 4. A team of scientists travel to the island in search for the Lost Arc. No. One reviewer pointed out one important thing about this movie and it is the truth. A team of scientists lead by a CEO of a major corporation venture into the far distant after finding a hidden civilization. Wait...is that the plot for Aliens vs. Predator or Prometheus?

  • June 8, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Not sure if anyone else has pointed this out...

    by trevor

    But despite all of our complaining... I would think Ridley Scott is sitting back feeling very pleased. The point of sci fi is to provoke discussion and thinking and have it talked about. It seems there is a whole gang of discussion and everyone is mentioning thinking and rethinking about what the plot means or what should have or should not have happenned. So to me it seems when he said Alien and Aliens were a different thing, its because Alien = horror, Aliens=survival horror\ action and Prometheus = his moon shot at a straight up sci fi epic. His goal was likely never to get great reviews but to provoke these exact discussions.

  • June 8, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST

    PS...

    by trevor

    I don't know how old you guys are but I grew up on Aliens, loving it. Hated Alien, way too slow for my taste, not enough action or depth. It seemed to be a B-Movie with an A-list sequel to me. So I think alot of this has to do with generation gap. Maybe prometheus will be this generations Alien.

  • June 8, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST

    thelordofhell

    by eric haislar

    Ha the hands thing. I forgot about that. Yeah I was wondering the same thing. I bet it is a fuck up I bet they shot the scene and she forgot to put back on her gloves. It happens all the time.

  • June 8, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    trevor.hopkins

    by eric haislar

    No one here is having a discussion about the themes of the film. We are discussing how frustrating of a experiences it is. How it makes no sense and if full of holes. I am sure that is the exact opposite of what Ridley wanted. Good sci fi makes you talk about the ideas the film presents not the film it's self.

  • June 8, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST

    My FIRST EVAR AICN TB post!

    by TheTeethgrinder

    Hi all Long time reader from the UK here. I've been reading the TBs here for years but resisted posting, until now. Like most I was anticipating Prometheus for a while and saw it a week ago, so I've had time to reflect on it. My list of observations goes: * The opening scene with the Engineer drinking the Goo - not necessary, and only spoils the reveal of the Engineers human-like form later. * I didn't get a real sense of threat at all throughout the film. As an exploration mission packed with various 'experts' why was David the only one to take a sample of Goo? Had that been done, they could have realised it's potential and it's consequences giving more sense of danger. Nobody witnesses the two cases of Goo infection occur so the other characters have no clue it's the evil Goo at work, yet come the finale it's suddenly imperative to the whole human race to contain the Goo?!? In short, the Goo weren't scary/explained enough for me. * I think I recall one character attacked by an Impregnating Wormy Thingy that came out of the Goo that went in his mouth after breaking his arm. Was he impregnated? If so, where's the resulting offspring? Upon discovery of his body, there wasn't much of a, "Holy shit, I'm outta here," from anyone. Finding a corpse should be frightening. * Why did David, who seems to be curious about humans and enjoys their movies, decide to deliberately put Goo in Holloway's drink? Why turn on humans? His line re. wanting parents dead seemed out of place, his motivation was not explained. Had he watched some WWII documentaries and such like while all were in stasis I'd understand a little better. * Finale shows us that Impregnating Wormy Thingy + Engineer = Xenomorph, and we know ship already contains Impregnating Wormy Thingy(s) plus Engineers, so how comes no Xenomorphs? * Didn't buy Holloway's willingness to get BBQ'd by Vickers, the was no natural instinct to survive, especially as he knew there's the super-dooper automatic hospital bed on board. * David's 'interaction' with the Engineer made me chuckle, which I don't think was the scene's intention. * Similarly, I was bemused by the remaining crew of the Prometheus suddenly becoming selfless willing martyrs and deliberately crashing into the Engineer ship, there was no discussion or anything, Idris Elba's character just didn't seem the type to do that. * The final chest-bursting scene, as someone else mentioned, feels tacked on. Fuck it, the last 20 mins feels odd. * I actually liked the scene of Shaw extracting the Impregnating Wormy Thingy in the super-dooper automatic hospital bed. Noomi really convinced me she was in fear of her life and desperate to survive, it was a tense moment and my most memorable scene. * The actors did a pretty Good job, given the material they had to work with. Top three being Michael, Noomi and Idris. That's all I can think of for now. All in all, I was disappointed. Thanks for reading.

  • June 8, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    @psycho_rat_attack

    by Mr Kite

    The film is a deeply flawed, poorly executed waste of money. Deal with it.

  • June 8, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Man, what a letdown.....

    by IamZardoz

    I waited for over a year for this and am very disappointed. I saw Alien the first day it came out as well as Blade Runner. I was really hoping RS would pull this off but guess I was hoping too much. Visually, very good. I especially liked the opening stuff and the first shots of Prometheus zipping thru space. Now my letdown(s): 1. waay too many characters. Some of em you never even find out who they are. 2. Horrible dialogue, that actor playing Holloway stinks and his cocky attitude reminded me of a crappy Tom Cruise. As an example, they find proof of an alien civilization and there isnt very much at all said about it. 3. the aliens suck; snake critter, octopus and phony tack on ending alien were uber shitty. The engineer was interesting but thats about it. 4. The ending totally sucks, tacked on for no apparent reason, Shaw and David flying away like an episode of Star Trek with flash of light speed was crapola of the highest order. 5. Whoever did the music deserves special mention, the soundtrack was shiteous. Ive heard better on tv, the only good part was the one scene where you can hear the original score. Anyway, man, what a bummer, Sunshine was better even with the horrible third reel monster.

  • Anyone?

  • June 8, 2012, 3:51 p.m. CST

    The movie was good up until Zombie Guy showed up

    by eric haislar

    Once it turned into a monster movie all the momentum it had going for it. Was ground to a halt. All questions brought up in the first 2 hours where thrown out the window for cheap thrills and no answers where ever going to be given. figures.

  • June 8, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Stop getting upset

    by SuperXY

    First, I loved the movie. My only complaint was Idris Elba's accent. Get over the idea of this xenomorph isn't right, or it didn't go like I wanted or whatever. It has kind of been established that the xenomorph is an adaptive creature. It can turn into a dog alien. It can be more human-based. It is more of a rapid evolution machine than anything specific. Evolution won't happen exactly the same, so it's sensible that it would be a little different on various occasions. Also, the goo in this isn't just planet seeding stuff. They made it pretty clear that the ship was going to go destroy life on earth. Maybe it was the same stuff as at the beginning of the movie that destroyed the guy then allowed creation. But destruction was gonna happen. Also, someone mentioned that LV-426 ship was 2000 years earlier than this movie. But they carbon dated the dead and it had been two thousand years. So the ships would have crashed/gone dormant around the same time. The holographic records seemed to lead to the conclusion that some of the stuff had gotten out and contaminated the ship and killed everyone. The movie is a backstory, not an origin. It's an expansion into the greater story of where everything in that universe comes from. The issue most people seem to be having is that they wanted Sigourney Weaver to somehow mind-meld with Noomi Rapace and have just another Alien movie. Why would Ridley Scott do that? Personally, I thought it was the most enjoyable movie of the year. Maybe not the best, but the most fun.

  • June 8, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Prometheus Overload.

    by Ray

    http://filmcycle.wordpress.com/2012/06/08/daily-bread-6812/

  • June 8, 2012, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Astronut

    by SuperXY

    Both of those specific things were addressed. Maybe there wasn't a soliloquy that was enough to make it clear to you, but it was there. When Elba was talking to the guys it was pretty clear they had gotten lost. What would you want? A five minute aside to talk about how they made the wrong turn? And David did mention Rapace's survival instinct after the surgery. Obviously the machine allowed for a recovery beyond what we currently have. It's in the future. That's why the years on the date were so big.

  • June 8, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Astronut 2

    by SuperXY

    Did you not watch the movie? The whole point of the open ending was that she was going to go find out why they wanted to destroy Earth. I'm sorry you didn't get it, but it's been widely reported that it is intended as a starting point for a couple sequels. And the scientific experts were taking samples. Maybe not like you would expect in 2012, but what the hell do you think the glowing red orbs were? What do you think it was when Rapace had them analyze DNA? Dude, you must have been asleep for every other line of the movie.

  • Dude, you need to set higher standards for yourself. Other than looking magnificent, the film is a train wreck on every conceivable level.

  • June 8, 2012, 4:08 p.m. CST

    It was like a beautiful retarded girl...

    by nerdator

    amazing to look at, but everything she says and does makes your head want to explode.

  • June 8, 2012, 4:08 p.m. CST

    The accent

    by SuperXY

    If you are a southerner you would understand. That thing was awful. You could hear the British accent coming out on every one of his lines. The only southern accent Brits can pull off is plantation southern. AKA rich douchebag southern. But this accent that was obviously trying to be Texan just distracted me every time he spoke.

  • June 8, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST

    I'm with Astronut - is Superxy a Fox plant?

    by TheTeethgrinder

    There was a LOT that was not explained in this film, and it's not because we're thick viewers. It was a weak script, and Scott should've called Damon on it - they're both to blame. As for setting up sequels, that seems to be the in-thing these days, why not make a self-contained movie anymore. A big fat "meh" for a sequel to this turd.

  • You are part of an expedition to FINALLY - - FINALLY pay witness to THE MEANING OF LIFE, THE MEANING OF EVERYTHING WE KNOW - - AND EVERYONE GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT IT'S NOT REALLY THAT BIG A DEAL!!!! Where is the sense of sheer AWE???????? Where is the dialog that makes me believe these people are witnessing THE HOLY GRAIL OF THE MOST IMPORTANT FUCKING THING EVER????? And they wait to tell them, after a TWO YEAR HYPER SLEEP MISSION - - WHAT THEIR MISSION IS????? The vibe for ALL of this shit was WAYYYYY off. And anyone with any sort of common sense or logic KNOWS I'm right.

  • June 8, 2012, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Mission was funded by an old rich guy who didn't want to die.

    by Mace Tofu

    His robot set the pod in Vickers chamber for male just in case, you just spent a trillion of your own money and could die at any moment so yeah you would have a high tech robotic doctor pod device ,the best money could buy just in case. As to why the scientist didn't do any research on rocks is they had a whole stadium and several football field size builldings they landed next to and ran inside because there was fucking proof of life right there. Why waste time on a rock. Some crew said they were just there for the money so I didn't take that they were the "best" just the Best that would go on a 5 year trip for cash.The robot started testing the goo asap because his owner was in a hurry to save his butt. People do stupid things in real life. I do hope they put the scene back in where the captain gets his black goo on Vickers neck for the DVD : )

  • June 8, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    nerdator - - - - - - - LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU NAILED IT, BRO

    by Astronut

  • Prometheus was if anything serviceable. The long foreboding shots used by Ridley to set the mood of Alien were non-existent here. Use of 3-D was minimal and the film could have benefitted from a few IMAX shots here and there. The behavior of the crew was comical at times and their lack of professionalism in handling an increasingly worse situation significantly affected the believability and suspense of the movie. Grand bits of lore were left unexplored and perhaps what is more disappointing is the use of a familiar Alien trope to explain away the purpose of LV-223 (It’s a bio-weapons facility). There is however a greater mystery that is given passing mention at best and that is why at some point did the Aliens decide to eradicate life on Earth via their bio-weapons? To the filmmakers credit, Shaw sets off to the Space Jockey’s homeworld (In a movie that I assure you will never be made) to answer that very question. The life-cycle of the alien monster is largely unexplained and this detracts from making the audience feel fear at the “alieness” of the creature. Guy Pearce’s Peter Weyland is underdeveloped despite his excellent acting; this makes him come off as some sort of Mister Burns character. The film essentially moves too fast for its own good. Aside from the principles the casting is forgettable and in a few places some characters seem downright miscast Fifield seemed like a mercenary but in fact was a cowardly geologist. His counterpart was equally forgettable. A great many things that made Alien a classic film are missing here. It seems the writers chose a quick and easy path rather than take some imaginative steps to answer our questions about the evolution of the xenomorph. Other questions remain such as why the engineers left a map to an isolated and extremely dangerous research facility for every culture on Earth (kinda like us leaving Aliens a map to Area 51 or the CDC headquarters). More cerebrally interesting questions could have been asked and answered here but they were not. To be honest the fake synopsis that was published last year sometime was more imaginative and respectful of the mythos than this film. Von Daniken’s work was not adequately honored in my opinion. At no point in the film did I feel the wondrous feeling of exploring the origins of our species. In fact the isolation of space that Alien captured wasn’t present here either. I had no understanding of the scope of this universe outside of the Prometheus itself whereas with Alien I understood that we lived in a future where it was routine to send out ships in order to mine and transport resources to and from far away planets. Essentially, the lack of organizational “culture” or personality for that matter within the crew made the outside universe a blank slate. Guillermo Del Toro said that this movie meant “At the Mountains of Madness” would probably never be made because it went to the same place essentially. Allow me to say that if Mr. Del Toro and I saw the same movie and he came to that conclusion then he has no idea what Lovecraft is about and should stay very far away from any and all of Lovecraft’s properties. This movie by no means even touches the tip of the iceberg in regards to displaying man as a helpless blip in the universe. The level of suspense and the feeling of helplessness simply are not there. The crew of the Prometheus was done in more by their own sloppiness and infighting than by the unsophisticated and inefficient bio-weapons used by the engineers (literally a virus is a lot less trouble than some strange tentacle monsters that eat your face and have acidic blood). At the end of the day Prometheus did go a few tiny steps outside the box in terms of what movies today do story-wise. They’re baby steps but they are steps nonetheless and for that I highly recommend this movie. That being said, I am sad/happy that this isn’t the final word on this type of science fiction.

  • June 8, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Sorry I meant to write studios

    by Irievibes82

    At least they skirted the outside of the box with this one.

  • Lame as fuck.

  • June 8, 2012, 4:28 p.m. CST

    trevor.hopkins

    by John Ary

    I totally agree with you.

  • fuck.

  • June 8, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST

    astronut

    by elsewhere

    Preach on, brotha.

  • June 8, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Thanks, elsewhere :)

    by Astronut

  • June 8, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Some people just aren't smart enough to get this movie.

    by Orionsangels

    So what they don't understand gets turned into hatred. There's more to this movie than you think. It demands repeat viewing. 2001 A Space Odyssey had a similar reception when it first came out. In time you will come to understand the meaning of Prometheus.

  • June 8, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Some people aren't smart enough to criticise this movie

    by catlettuce4

  • June 8, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST

    orionsangels Please, Don't compare this to 2001.

    by eric haislar

    There is nothing deep or meaningful about this film. It's pretty to look at that is about the best anyone can say about it. Please enlighten us to the deep meaning of it all.

  • June 8, 2012, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Confused

    by Jon Serianni

    The last scene has an alien that looks an awful lot like the alien from Alien/Aliens bursting out of a guy's chest. I doubt Scott would be that dumb to put something in that was so obviously Alien if he never intended it to be. I remember first hearing about this movie being a prequel to Alien and everyone was excited, now many people are pissed because it might be? How's that work? Finally, I don't care what classic Sci-fi movie you put Avatar up against...Avatar is shit and not even original shit either as even an idiot like me can see it was blatantly ripped off from Dances with Wolves. This blind Cameron love fest that goes on here probably should stop. Whatever you thought of Prometheus, the concept behind it was heads and tails better than Avatar and actually rooted in real scientific theory. There are a lot of real scientists who think that humans were created by another race and that similarities in cultures are proof of that. Pull your heads out of Cameron's ass long enough to actually take a serious look.

  • It's complex and emotional and you don't quite get it. But you know all the answers are there. You just have to watch again. With this you are cold and unmoved. It tries be complex by talking about where we come from. But once it becomes a monster movie. It forgets about that for cheap thrills and not answers. With this I know no matter how many times i watch it. I will get no answers. Because there are none. It's just cheap tricks.

  • June 8, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST

    There's much more to this movie than you think

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    I'm still waiting for examples. I've seen... "who created us" Answer: Space Jockeys. Swedish religious chick freaks out because her belief system best guess determined mostly by geographical region was the wrong choice. It's a fucking movie. "what if our creators don't want us?" Answer: characters not sad because their belief system best guess determined mostly by geographical region was wrong get killed by monsters. The later probably wouldn't have given a fuck if they lived. "what if there were Lovecraftian monsters that people found in space than made people read dusty old books and somebody then made another movie that would get ripped as a Prometheus knockoff on Earth like John Carter did after Avatar... blah, blah, blah". Answer: Nobody gives a fuck, we wanted a good original monster or at least the Giger one. Do I get a cookie?

  • June 8, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST

    orionsangels

    by JAMF

    please explain what we're missing. all i saw was a bunch of rehashed ancient astronaut stuff i've seen a million times over (hell the most recent, i think, was crystal skull and everyone hated it then!) so please tell us what you're seeing.

  • June 8, 2012, 5:07 p.m. CST

    the meaning of Prometheus was...

    by Lemure_v2

    We were created by aliens, but there's (probably) still a god. It's hardly profound.

  • what the fuck!??! i can just about understand liking it despite it's flaws but LOVING IT?!? gimme a fucking break. i've never been one to call plant before, but sheesh!

  • June 8, 2012, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Maybe I am getting too cynical as I get older

    by isildur29

    but all I ask for from a movie is to have a story that I can be invested in. I want characters to root for or root against. I need to understand at least their fundamental motivations for doing what they are doing. Ultimately I don't need all the answers, in fact I love movies with some mystery and mythology... But Prometheus didn't deliver. I understood why Shaw was there and what she wanted. I had no idea why David did what he did when it seemed like he was simply programmed to get the old guy to meet the creators. He caused a lot of chaos that was never explained. I have no clue why Shaw's boyfriend traveled 2 years only to be disappointed by everything he found. It made me disappointed. The other "scientists" were useless Scooby Doo characters and offered nothing to the plot. It felt like the studio meddled in the ending because I refuse to believe Ridley Scott would sign off on something THIS cliche and bad. I mean he isn't perfect but he is better than that ending. I just felt like it was a paint by numbers and since I couldn't get behind one character I felt like I was just waiting for it to end... I have been excited about this movie since it was announced. Pisses me off that John Carter (the shit fest it was) did a better job of character motivations for their actions than f**(&** Ridley Scott. Is The Dark KNight Rises the only thing that can save this summer?

  • June 8, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Who cares if the premise is we were created by aliens?

    by IronEagle74

    The question is, what or who created them? Ahhh yes, the neverending question that for some strange reason we think we can answer. Can we just please stop trying to answer an unanswerable question? It's so arrogant of us.

  • June 8, 2012, 5:25 p.m. CST

    The script wasn't smart

    by isildur29

    It was season 6 of LOST without a smoke monster. Just trying to find out why we are here. Questioning faith. But Prometheus failed to ever reach LOST level because outside of SHAW not one character was likeable. David was awesome but was he sentient? Or programmed? He was good. But bad. But good. But loyal. But meddling. ....

  • Reviews 20+ years ago were usually legit. Nowadays we get critics trying to please certain people in Hollywood in exchange for access. I trust the common movie-goer's opinion now more than someone who stands to benefit from their comments, and most people think Prometheus falls short. I agree.

  • June 8, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST

    OK for 11 yo boy to see?

    by Deandome

    Wanna take my son...he can handle 'sci-fi gore' 'n stuff. And one or two 'fucks' won't be a deal breaker either, nor would a stray boobie. But is there anything else that would make me want to keep a mature 11 yo away from this movie (besides "it sucks", for you crap-on-everything anti-fanboys)?

  • June 8, 2012, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Prometheus Review

    by Chris Crocker

    Problems: 1) Vickers saying "Father" to Weyland at the end of her "Every king must die" monologue. Totally necessary. From the way they acted around each other their relationship was obvious, and would have been better left up for debate. 2) Over explanations of character motivations. We didn't need to see Shaw's father, or even know what drove her to be so passionate about finding answers, as Rapace's wide-eyed performance was enough. 3) Weyland had the worst old man makeup I've seen in a long time. Why couldn't they just let Guy Pearce play him as a younger man, diagnosed with terminal cancer, frozen for 20 years, then thawed out for the last few weeks of his life to ask the aliens questions. If Weyland and Vickers were around the same age after he woke up, their father daughter relationship would have been more interesting. 4) Opening in the wrong spot. Why blow your load and show the Space Jockey first thing? It was a decent enough angelic/creepy design, coupled with waiting to see one for so long, that we shouldn't have been introduced to them until David, Weyland, and Shaw are in the map room. Who needs to see Shaw discovering the cave drawings? That could have been taken care of as documentary footage during Vickers' crew briefing. The movie should have begun on David, wandering around the ship, playing basketball, and watching movies. 5) The xenomorph alien design is a bad combination of crappy CG and a newly shape head. It did not look good, or move well. The giant Face Hugger was ridiculous. It was also confusing that the xenomorph looked like it was born from a fusion of the Space Jockey and his black suit. Was the black suit bio-mechanical and fused with his DNA? If not how else could the newly born xenomorph have so many of its characteristics? 6) Idris Elba is great in other stuff, like The Office, but here he's just giving a bad impression of a truck driver in space, from the Nostromo. 7) Vickers is a horrible character, mostly because she is such a wasted opportunity. She has nothing to do, but could have been a truly tragic character; someone so obsessed with trying to be a perfect "man" and please her frozen father that she is mistaken for a robot. People that tightly wound are usually the ones most easily hurt, but she didn't seem to care when her father died. When Weyland died Vickers just shook her head, as if to say "I told you so, stupid old man." All she seems to care about is eliminating risk. If that's the intent, then why the fuck would Vickers waste two years of her life pursuing the dream of someone she doesn't care about, to the unknown outer reaches of space!?

  • June 8, 2012, 5:43 p.m. CST

    deandome

    by eric haislar

    I don't even know why it is rated R. There is nothing gross or violent at all.

  • Ask yourself, who survived all the Alien movies? Who could easily have caught and killed the chestburster but chose not to (desipite all instincts to do otherwise)? What animals treat us as their can opening slaves? Like Kayser Soze of the feline world, Jonesy is the Prime Engineer.

  • June 8, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Deandome

    by TheTeethgrinder

    It is safe for an 11 year old, but trust me, it's poo. Take him to Avengers instead (if you haven't already)

  • June 8, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST

    @ Astronut, other retards, etc

    by Mumbo

    Your questions about the film are embarrassing. You clearly just did not understand about 40% of this movie. I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy it - I really am, but I won't deign your reaction to have much significance until you bother to figure out the bits you don't understand. Assuming that you have the merest ounce of perspective, let's just recognise that you're level of intelligence is about the same as anyone else's - including Ridley Scott. Do you really think that all the things you dont understand just slipped him by? That he just had no clue as to whether or not any of his film made sense? Do you really think that??? Or do you think that MAYBE, just maybe, the answers are actually in the film - but that you completely fucking missed them? A few questions; ****Why did the crew go into the ship? - To collect samples, to meet the fricken Aliens they've been promised, and because the red orbs weren't actually that good at showing them what's inside! Remember the orb that gets stuck and found something that was indicating life? Didn't really give much information did it. But more importantly, because its a god-damn movie and they have no reason to believe that all the crazy shit is going to hit the fan. Why are you being so obtuse about this point when you'll accept the exact same premise in every single horror movie ever? You're supposed to enjoy the feeling of "no don't go in there!!!" ****Why did none of them show awe? - This movie is about curiosity, creation and genius. The fact is, they've already got there. They already KNOW that they've found the meaning of life - they already KNOW that they've discovered sentient creatures - as soon as they see straight lines on the ship's scan. Yes. They're SCIENTISTS - but not movie scientists - they're also human beings. For Shaw and Holloway, this is the gold in the tomb = this is their tutankhamun moment - they want to get inside the pyramid and see the gold. Again, they think they're going to meet their GOD - their CREATOR. This is just like every Indiana Jones movie - why is this so difficult to understand? ****The mission was funded by an old man that didn't want to die. Wow. - Yeah so this was slightly awkwardly delivered, but the device allows a whole load of interesting themes to complicate the third act. We're looking at the relationship between creator and created, right? So seeing various permutations of this HELPS US UNDERSTAND the Architects and their motives. Why did they make us? Why did they try and kill us? What do they think about us? The answers are all there in the movie, staring us in the face through the human's actions. I really like the relationship between Weyland and his two offspring – the one that he created through his knowledge, and the one that he created through his biology. He favours his artificial creation. He REFUSES to be succeeded by his daughter - he wants to maintain power, with her as his lesser. He only wants creations that will defer to him. HELLO! Does this link with the aliens that are the central interest of this movie? Oh, why yes, I think it fucking might. When the woken Architect sees that humans have taken on its powers – has in many ways succeeded it - in creating life, in travelling half way across the galaxy to say hi - it is disgusted, or perhaps just disappointed. It tries to kill us. We weren’t created to be equals, or to succeed our creators – we’re just something that happened out of curiosity – because they could. We do not figure into their intentions. This is the same as Weyland - he is after all an 'architect'. His daughter does not figure into his intentions. Why did he even have a daughter? That’s an interesting question. ****Why did the aliens create us and then destroy us? - yeah. Frustrating not knowing isn’t it. How do you think David feels? When he gets told that we built him purely because we fucking could. The theme of abortion gets played out throughout this movie – so much so that by the end we shouldn’t even have to ask this question. The whole movie works like that – our most fundamental questions are shown to be questions that we really shouldn’t have to ask. Throughout the movie, David the android is the answer to the question. He turns every “why?” Into a “why not?” Why did they aliens create us? Well, why not? Because they could. Why did they want to destroy us? Well, do we even want to know? What does it say about us that they wanted to destroy us? Just like the creature that Shaw rips out of her abdomen, do we really want to confront the creator that does that to us? Isn’t it obvious? What if our creators see us with the same revulsion that Shaw displays towards her twisted foetus? Not very complicated, but delicious to watch on screen. Especially within this genre, and within the tradition of the Alien films – that whole process of killing the created; in a struggle for survival, out of curiosity, out of repulsion and attraction. Life killing life. By all means, give me more ‘plot holes’ – I love thinking about this movie and the complex themes it develops.

  • June 8, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Hollywood has never met a scientist in their life

    by Winston Smith

    The weakest part of the film for me, beyond all the plot holes, was that very few of the characters felt like scientists. They go to an alien planet, not only find something right away but find a temple with LIFE in it, and Holloway is acting disappointed? WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU EXPECT? Some guy sitting on a chair waiting and ready to say, "okay, here's the answer: 42!" And the geologist, my fucking god. Really? I like how they get lost and he's like, "it all looks the same to me." I thought rocks and stone structures were your fucking thing, man.

  • June 8, 2012, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Would have worked better if what we saw...

    by Winston Smith

    ...with major fixes to the characters, was the first half or 2/3rds of the film, but then when she jets off to the alien homeworld, THAT'S the climax of the film. We get to see that.

  • June 8, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST

    aquisition

    by MENTALDOMINANCE

  • June 8, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST

    No spell check or edit on this shit!

    by MENTALDOMINANCE

  • June 8, 2012, 6:05 p.m. CST

    psycho Rat attack...

    by isildur29

    Are you the scriptwriters brother? Come on man. I am fine with anyone liking a movie and having their opinion but your waxing on like this was the second coming of film making. I saw the "themes" that you are so deep and educated for recognizing. I just didn't buy them because they were poorly presented, glossed over, and fell flat. Like I said no movie fan minds being presented with mythology or open ended questions if they are done in a manner that respects the audience. This movie went down 5 different theme rabbit holes. Never developed one. Decided it was setting itself up for a sequel and ended. I am disappointed not stupid.

  • Isn't the dream of anybody creating important? I'm digging that my 6-year-old is a better hitter than I am right now. I'm not throwing his bats away and punching walls because of it.

  • June 8, 2012, 6:07 p.m. CST

    To everyone that thinks there are plot holes in this film:

    by Mumbo

    Go and see it again. If you didn't enjoy it and thought it was "boring", "unoriginal" or something else that's entirely subjective - great, we'll part ways. But if you didn't 'get' it - or were frustrated by it - or thought it didn't make sense - GO AND SEE IT AGAIN. Why? Because: 1) Some of the plot holes I can guarantee you will make more sense. You've missed things. 2) You owe it to yourself as a matter of humility to double check that Ridley Scott has fucked up as big as you think he has. 3) History might be kind to this movie. And you might be the lame dad telling his kid that he saw Blade Runner at the cinema and thought it was pants and never saw it again. I know one of those dads. They're not cool. And finally, most importantly, because you want to see films like this made more often. EVEN IF THEY FAIL. Because it takes balls to make something original - and because films like this don't come round very often. Sometimes man's reach exceeds his grasp. We have the easy position of deciding for ourselves whether or not that's the case this time. But we all have a responsibility to make sure we keep reaching.

  • June 8, 2012, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Such a frustrating movie! I want a better cut!

    by MENTALDOMINANCE

  • June 8, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Psychoratattack

    by catlettuce4

    I did exactly that (saw it again) and thought even less of it (54 years old, PhD, not Nerd)

  • June 8, 2012, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Life of Pi

    by Winston Smith

    On another topic, MAN, how about that Life of Pi scene? Looks incredible.

  • June 8, 2012, 6:16 p.m. CST

    @domi'sinnerchild:

    by Mumbo

    I think humans are constantly creating things that are terrible and we wish we could destroy. I think the movie hints at the violence that lies within creation. Life creates more life because it HAS TO as a principle of survival. But from the same principle of survival it can do exactly the opposite. It's quite a violent act, is it not, to create something? Its saying I want something in my image - under my rules - as I see fit. This is a trope that was more often played out with 'machines' or 'computers' in the 80s or at the end of the 90s. We're happy to have machines and computers that are smarter than us - and which delight us and do wonderful things that are beyond us - but only so long as they fit within OUR conception of what they should be. So you might not have an issue with your 6 year old being a better hitter than you - but perhaps only because it satisfies that aspect of yourself which enjoys having created it? The same satisfaction would not extend to WHATEVER your child decided to become - and therein lies a certain violence.

  • June 8, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Very strong emperor's new clothes vibe

    by Mr Kite

    on Prometheus talkbacks. If you didn't like the film its because your not intelligent enough to understand it. Yeah right. If you enjoyed the film I'm happy for you but stop trying to make out that you are somehow smarter than the rest of us. I desperately wanted to enjoy it but was left bitterly dissapointed. I am not a fanboy hater nor am I retarded. I was looking forward to a well made, thrilling and intelligent sci fi movie for adults and this wasn't it.

  • June 8, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Agree it could do with a better edit. My suggestions:

    by Mumbo

    1) About half an hour longer - everything needs more length. 2) Get rid of the cave scene with the paintings. It's fine just to jump to the mission. I think get rid of Shaw's flashbacks/dreams would be good too. 3) More character moments. I'm sure they've got them. 4) Get rid of the Alien fan-job. Fuck off studio.

  • June 8, 2012, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Does anybody else find it RIDICULOUS

    by mitchfarger

    When people run away from falling tall things(like buildings), and they run STRAIGHT AWAY rather than left or right? Like, go 50 feet to the left and you're clear, but run straight and you need to run about 2 miles to get clear...

  • Yes... ten seconds before the credits. Appears to be a queen. The movie ends like a bad horror movie that wants to bring you back for the sequel.

  • June 8, 2012, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Directors don't make movies dumb or smart. Writers do

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Prometheus was screwed by the writers. Ridley's mistake was probably getting sick of waiting for somebody to come up with as good an idea as the original Alien. Expect more of the same from the Blade Runner sequel.

  • June 8, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST

    another thing - gravitas

    by IamZardoz

    In Alien you had Tom Skerrit who you knew had seen it all and done it twice(best line "aww thats a bunch of horseshit, we can take off without that!") Kane who you knew was an experienced dude and Yappet Kotto, hell even Harry Dean Stanton; in Prometheus you have one robot (who I dont think did that great of a job), one ice princess who I still think was a robot, one unintelligible foreigner (was it "its an invitation" or "its an imitation"?) one Tom Cruise type cocky smartass, one cool brit in the wrong movie and the rest a bunch of redshirts. Frankly, I didnt give a crap about anybody except maybe Idris whoever in this cast. And then theres the giant squid; what a laugher!

  • movies to make before closing time

  • June 8, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Here's something else to think about

    by Monroville

    If this is still happening in the Zeta 2 Reticulae system (hell, the same gas giant), then why didn't they pick up the distress signal from LV-426?

  • June 8, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST

    @isildur29:

    by Mumbo

    No!!! Haha, I just really dug this movie. I'm a lot more humble about people having differences of opinion than I've come across. I just find it so frustrating to have come out of a movie that I genuinely think is the shit, and find that whole reams of nerds and film critics think its not just flawed but TERRIBLE. I think a better edit could have made some of these minor plot points clearer - particularly with regards to individuals' motivations. But I think 90% of this movie is truly high caliber cinema. SO many things I love people are shitting on: - The design of the architects; which people say is boring, but I think is stunning. They're our genetic forefathers, so they look like us minus the ape ancestry. They're perfect - and yet clearly alien. I like the fact that without the space-jockey helmet they look like twisted Gods or angels. Like Zeus meets Tim Burton's Jor-El, meets Gabriel from Constantine - it's freaky and weighty. - The characters' behaviour and motivations. In my view, its SO human - it provides a tone to the questions that it's asking. It's not just 'why did they make us' - but a characterisation of HOW we ask those questions. Naively, with childish curiosity - or with egotism, or just stupidly and without thinking, missing the point of the question entirely. - The goo. I just GET IT, and despair that people need to understand its exact rules. - The monsters. I love the way in which the giant facehugger face-fucks the architect. It has a huge orgasm and then collapses after totally destroying its own God. Isn't that what life is like? Don't we just grab things and fuck them and then kill them? It just completely destroys our pretensions. - The huge stone face. Its been haunting me for about a year throughout the marketing, and I wanted to explain why an alien spaceship has a giant copy of my biology. And yet the ego of that assumption is astounding. Its not me, its them. It has nothing to do with me.

  • June 8, 2012, 6:40 p.m. CST

    RIDLEY GIVE US WHAT WE WANT AND RELEASE AN EXTENDED CUT BLURAY!

    by MENTALDOMINANCE

  • June 8, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Okay... so the creation (us) is terrible and needs to be destroyed.

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    How exactly did the Engineer come to that conclusion? The old cliche that humans are violent (doesn't seem exactly out of the Engineer's nature)? The orignal reason was that they were upset that they matched or surpassed them via making androids and flying across space. Seems plausable that David triggered the anger (Frankenstein insult to God). But fuck, that really brings nothing new to the table and basically we're trying to explain Hulk Smash via themes other movies have spent basically the whole 2 hours on. It just doesn't seem like something you want to just throw into a movie and not explore since it's been done better recently in B-movies like Splice.

  • June 8, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST

    How exactly did the Engineer come to that conclusion?

    by Shermdawg

    Jesus pissed them off.

  • June 8, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Interesting film

    by x

    After the film "Aliens" I didn't really need to see more. The basic trap of the franchise has been the Xenomorph itself. We've seen them over and over and were never treated with a more in depth story. Prometheus provides a greater universe that the Xenomorph exists within. That was a very smart choice. As others have posted there are a great deal of unanswered questions, and a many clues. This film was beautiful in its presentation, well acted, and at times very tense. The pacing kept driving forward, and didn't stop until the credits rolled. I have read some very critical comments, but I don't see how those comments can be accurate. This is not some armature fair on any front. This is masterful work all around. When I read some of the trollish comments I can only wonder what films this person would like. For everyone else go see it and decide the quality and meaning for yourself.

  • June 8, 2012, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Alright, saw this, this afternoon, and.....

    by Darth_Kaos

    ....I don't know if I liked it or not. I just hope that there's going to be a 3 hour directors cut, cause that move seemed like it was missing a shit load of stuff. I kept falling over all kinds of plot-holes. It seemed liked it didn't know what type of movie it wanted to be. They would mention something, then just let it go. oh, and Worst...Ending...Ever. Very disappointed.

  • June 8, 2012, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Are we sure it was Jesus and not Russell Crowe's Gladiator?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    He really got fucked over in that movie 2000 years ago.

  • June 8, 2012, 6:54 p.m. CST

    This is Director's Cut. Scott has final cut.

    by catlettuce4

    The only concessions were his, for ratings. No exec told him what to cut or what to add.

  • June 8, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST

    actions.

    by MENTALDOMINANCE

  • June 8, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST

    domi'sinnerchild

    by Mumbo

    How did it come to that conclusion? That's pretty much the only question at the end of the film - and its what's supposed to lead into the sequel. What is it about humanity that makes our very creator reject us? I have a couple of answers: Firstly, I think the film works if we don't know. Perhaps we can never know why our creator wanted to destroy us, but there's certainly plenty in the movie for us to think about. Its clearly not as simple as 'humans are violent', though. These clearly aren't "moral" beings in the same way we would like them to be. I like what you said about "frankenstein insult to God". Perhaps the android is just a completely disgusting parody of itself which throws God into a rage? Another reason could be more mundane. We know that the last time the architect was awake its crew was being attacked/killed - everything was going wrong. It might be only the blink of an eye from its own perspective between then and being confronted by its over-reaching creation. Who, as we said above, might have been equally as revolting as the threat that was killing the crew? Remember that the original task was to go to earth and destroy us. It should be expected really, that arriving on its doorstep wasn't going to lead to tea and biscuits. Not a great answer, really, but plausible. Its a bit like getting punched in the face by an alcoholic mother. Why don't you love me? Etc - I mean, who the fuck gets over that? Do you even want to know the answer?

  • June 8, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    6 reasons why common sense does not exist in this dumb film...

    by CeejayNightwing

    1: What scientist would sign up for a 4 year mission to an Alien world without believing in the possibility, however remote, that they might encounter alien life? 2:Why would a scientist be scared to look at a fossilized body of a alien that's been dead for thousands of years yet eager to stroke a live one that looks like a snake? 3:Why would anyone board a ship that does not have enough lifeboats to cater for its entire crew and passengers? 4: Why would you continue to run in the same direction as something the size of Kansas is falling in, rather than run to either side away from it? 5: Why didn't the Pilot just crash the escape shuttle into the Alien ship instead and let the other copilot, navigator and Charleze Theron stay safe aboard the Prometheus? 6: If you've just seen your lover die, just had to perform an emergency c-section, just had your stomach stapled, are bleeding, battered and just had a space ship fall on you.. why would you choose to go look for more giant aliens you know want to eradicate your race, instead of going home in an alien ship full of evidence to warn your worlds leaders and save the human race not to mention get some much needed medical aid? Anyone liking this film because they're under the pretentious belief that it is intelligent scifi, literally lack intelligence and basic common sense!

  • June 8, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST

    @mentaldominance:

    by Mumbo

    Totally get where you're coming from.

  • In the the theatrical cut of KOH, Sybilla appears and asks for water. Then next time she appears weird and bangs Ballian but it seems off. Next time she is bat fuck crazy and jittery. And I'm like WHAT THE FUCKING HELL? But no. When we see the 45 FUCKING ADDITIONAL MINUTES added where we see her son be crowned as KING and then her discovery of his lepracy and her mercy killing of him... NOW IT MAKES SENSE. Now we know why her character acts how she does. WHY would they have ever cut all that shit out? Who's idea was it to cut a 3 hour epic down to 2 hours? Ridley never gets his theatrical cut right. I hope to God that a new cut of PROMETHEUS can fix the problems and turn it into an excellent movie as KOHDC did to KOHTC.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Y'know, I just chalked that one dude as Steve Irwin.

    by Shermdawg

    He didn't bother me much. And given how the Jockey bodies were laid out, I could see how that would be unsettling. Honestly the film didn't go south for me until Shaw wakes up in the med lab. A lot of the plot holes beforehand are probably instances of lousy editing....though I think the whole rescue party plot device to set up the torching of Holloway with no aftermath what-so-ever was one of the films major fuck ups.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Still It Would Seem That More People Like It Than Dislike

    by Real Deal

    I still haven't seen this yet. I'm not surprised at all that a Ridley Scott film would spark debate. Now the haters can go on about what I've said but the bottem line is that more people ( and critics ) like it than not like it.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:11 p.m. CST

    "Still It Would Seem That More People Like It Than Dislike"

    by Shermdawg

    Going by RT, yes. But feedback from actual fans are overwhelmingly negative. And while I do think a lot of complaints are nitpicking, the film does have some major problems. Remember, Crystal Skull is sitting at 77% on RT and that movie was horrible.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST

    *Le sigh*

    by Mumbo

    1: What scientist would sign up for a 4 year mission to an Alien world without believing in the possibility, however remote, that they might encounter alien life? We have no idea how these people were recruited. In fact, we are told - I THINK quite OBVIOUSLY - that they were fed misinformation or simply not told what they were being recruited for. Ergo the whole briefing at the beginning. Secondly, a lot of their weird inability to behave like a normal science team is explained once grandpa gets revealed - because he has an entirely different motive behind bringing these people together. 2:Why would a scientist be scared to look at a fossilized body of an alien that's been dead for thousands of years yet eager to stroke a live one that looks like a snake? I think this makes sense. Giant fossilized human-looking entity from some ancient civilization that holds the key to life, the universe and everything - or a weird blobby (penis) flesh-stick? We can at least concede that a real human being would react differently to the two, right? I do think its fucking weird that he wanted to stroke the snake thing though.... didn't ruin the film for me by any means. In fact, I found it a moment of relief/pleasure watching the idiot get killed in such a gruesome way. 3:Why would anyone board a ship that does not have enough lifeboats to cater for its entire crew and passengers? Sounds like a movie, doesn't it? Or Titanic. We also find out that the 'lifeboat' pod is basically Weyland's hotel suite. Weyland doesn't have much interest in other people besides himself. NEXT 4: Why would you continue to run in the same direction as something the size of Kansas is falling in, rather than run to either side away from it? Yeah, weird. I guess when something the size of a small town is shitting out of the sky you don't necessarily act very sensibly? I think that it shows the difference in character between Shaw and Vickers - one of them has the survival instinct and one of them struggles for control and risk aversion and yet ends up dying in an avoidable way. 5: Why didn't the Pilot just crash the escape shuttle into the Alien ship instead and let the other copilot, navigator and Charleze Theron stay safe aboard the Prometheus? That's the most backward logic I've ever heard. I don't think the escape pod is designed to be fired as a missile - and I don't think its would have had much impact. I also think the decision was pretty split second, and was a matter of dire urgency. The whole point is that "How can we stop this gigantic alien spacecraft?" takes precedence over, 'oh, lets all hop in the escape pod'. Only person that does that in the film is a fucking psychopath. Looks like you share a strand of logic!!! :P 6: If you've just seen your lover die, just had to perform an emergency c-section, just had your stomach stapled, are bleeding, battered and just had a space ship fall on you.. why would you choose to go look for more giant aliens you know want to eradicate your race, instead of going home in an alien ship full of evidence to warn your worlds leaders and save the human race not to mention get some much needed medical aid? Yeah she's pretty badass right? Mothers survival instinct? Some strength given to her by her maternity of alien DNA? Come on, we see this shit in all the Alien movies. It seems that something else being 'off'with your experience of this film has led to an inability to suspend disbelief. That's a shame, but it doesn't mean that the film has no logic.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST

    you lack imagination it seems

    by kite6t9

    I've read all your questions and all are easily answered if you just pay attention to dialogue and not just look for action. Your answer to question #5 is on of the easy ones because they say exactly why they had to use Prometheus.

  • The word of mouth regarding this film has been brutal.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Sorry shermdawg

    by Real Deal

    But not just RT. Just do a search on the web. Roger Ebert gave it 4 stars and as Science Fiction goes he's a tough critic. The facts just don't support your argument.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Re : shermdawg

    by Real Deal

    " The word of mouth regarding this film has been brutal. " On the AICN talkback. LOL!

  • I was counting him.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Good try, but no cigar on the defence of those plot points

    by catlettuce4

  • Look what happened to them.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Re : shermdawg

    by Real Deal

    Well then if you look at RT you can see he's one of many top critics and the one's that like it are in the majority.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Not just on AICN.

    by Shermdawg

    Non-critic worth or mouth and reviews have been overwhelmingly negative. Sorry if you weren't paying attention the last week.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST

    @dore: Where's the thumbs up button when you need it.

    by kite6t9

  • I'd trust an actual fan, or an average movie goer over some critic any day of the week.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Re : shermdawg

    by Real Deal

    " Non-critic worth or mouth and reviews have been overwhelmingly negative. Sorry if you weren't paying attention the last week. " Show a link that supports your argument because I was paying attention last and this one.

  • Well, sensible for the most part.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Saw it! Loved it! Who's up for a sequel?

    by alpeter3

    I saw it today and I thought it was fantastic! Perfect? No. Hell the original 'Alien' wasn't perfect either. But I think this movie sets up a whole new level of the Alien universe's storyline that I for one would love to see unravelled further. So for those who liked it like I did, I have one question. Did you like it enough that you'd go see a sequel? I know I would.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:22 p.m. CST

    I loved it! I thought it was a great film and enjoyed it!

    by Professor_Bedlam

  • June 8, 2012, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Another Big Problem

    by Kytas

    Half the complaints here didn't bother me. I was impressed by the movie. It shot for the moon and missed, but HELL, it shot for the moon! Something that bothered me though: HOW in the hell did Shaw's C-section baby amass so much, well, MASS?! In like a few hours? There was nothing in Vicker's medical room for the baby-alien to consume that would allow it grow to half the size of the ship. So that's just stupid. Yes, I know the Xenomorphs grow fast, but we could suppose that they were scarfing down a bunch of supplies in the interim. So Lindelof's take is just ludicrous. Mass can't be created out of nothing. It's called the first law of thermodynamics. Of course, I choose to suspend my disbelief when Banner grows to Hulk because it's a comic book movie. I choose NOT to suspend my disbelief for Prometheus, which holds itself out as a well-researched thought piece on humanity's origins. Chalk it up to lazy writing.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Re : psycho_rat_attack

    by Real Deal

    You have a very good point. Like I've said I'd love to see 2001 reviewed by this talkback these days. I'm guessing people wouldn't like it. " They Didn't explain enough " " They didn't show the aliens " " The actors were cold and bland " I can hear it now.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Re : shermdawg

    by Real Deal

    Show me that ocean you're talking about.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Lame-ass vaginamorph at the end. Not scary at all

    by Kytas

  • June 8, 2012, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Yet another problem:

    by Kytas

    Oh yeah, speaking of the first law of thermodynamics . . . How did Shaw's C-section alien grow so quickly without stealing mass from its host? Hell, the thing grew to 10-20 lbs in a matter of 12 hours yet, no visible effect on Shaw. Stupid. Lazy. Writing.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Re : shermdawg

    by Real Deal

    " Who cares what critics think when it comes to a franchise they may not be invested in? " Yeah that makes sense! LOL!

  • June 8, 2012, 7:27 p.m. CST

    The Engineer who seeded life here died, right?

    by Bill Clay

    The Engineer who came to Earth to seed life, and turned into goo, never met the later evolving cave painting humans. So how did those cavemen know what star system the creators came from? Did other Engineers come visit us later and tell the cavemen, "Don't ever visit us or we'll fucking kill your asses, but here's where we live."

  • June 8, 2012, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Show a link? Just look around.

    by Shermdawg

    The hate is everywhere. Quit thinking you're correct because RT says so. Fuck RT. The critics don't mean shit. I mean remember X2? All those stupid fucks suggesting they should cut back on the story and characters and just give the ball to Storm? I couldn't give a shit what they think. You're sitting here preaching on the quality of a film using critic approval as evidence to people don't let others think for themselves, especially when it's something they care about. The film is hopelessly flawed an no four star bullshit review will change that fact.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:28 p.m. CST

    RE: nicetryloache

    by Mumbo

    Waah Waah Waah. Pull the other one, hater

  • June 8, 2012, 7:28 p.m. CST

    real deal, as said before = plant.

    by Shermdawg

  • June 8, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST

    by Real Deal

    " The hate is everywhere " Here. That's obvious. Myself ( and many talkbackers are sick of it. Many shows and movies have suffered this kind of trolling hate that the haters just automatically expect everyone to share. And they get very upset when they don't. Sorry but I just haven't seen the general dislike that you're talking about other than right here. And lately I've been kind of sick of the kind of " Let's just hate it " attitude that has nothing to do with a serious crtique of the film. Mostly there's some other agenda.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Re: Plant LOL!

    by Real Deal

    Now I know you're off your rocker! Would a plant make this many typos? You need a life. Sorry but I like SF and film and Ridley Scott. And you just picked on the wrong film to troll on.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Uh, hate isn't a bad thing.

    by Shermdawg

    I myself, am mixed on the film, but make no mistake about it, there are parts I hate with a passion because they deserve to be hated given their effects on the story, character development, etc. Quit living in some idiotic world of black and white. Just because we have a differing opinion, do not mistake that as trolling.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:38 p.m. CST

    WHO THE FUCK IS TROLLING?

    by Shermdawg

    Seriously, show of hands...

  • June 8, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Re : shermdawg

    by Real Deal

    Now you'r backpeddling. And you know as well as I do if you come here at all the pile on attitude I'm talking about. It's ok to not like something. It's another to try to convince a world that doesn't want to be convinced.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Re : shermdawg

    by Real Deal

    Yes let's ask the trolls if they think they're trolling. Readers here like melonman left because of all the hate ( and no he's not the only one ). We're just tired of it shermdawg. It's one thing to say you don't like the film.....once. It's trolling to go on and on about it. Myself I haven't even seen it yet so I can't tell you what I thought. but I've yet to see a Ridley Scott film that diserves the type of hate I've seen here. And as I've said it's getting old. It's like a bunch of people get together on this forum to see if they can sink a film. Or they have this hate for a writer because they didn't like the ending of Lost. It has nothing to do with the film. Get it?

  • Herbert Asimov Dick Gibson Bester Enough said...

  • Then you can "go fuck yourself" because you're too stupid for intelligent scifi? Seriously Kells and everyone else posting this crap, you have no credibility whatsoever, and by default nor do your 5 out of 5 star reviews.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Re : obijuanmartinez

    by Real Deal

    Sorry buddy but I've read all of them. And since I've been reading SF since the 3rd grade ( a long time ago since I'm 59 ) I'd be willing to bet longer than you've been alive so please. Like I've said I haven't seen this film yet but I'll be willing to bet my take won't be yours.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:53 p.m. CST

    And please, just fuck off with the Avatar comparisons

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    They're two completely different beasts that will be enjoyed (and disliked) by different audiences. I really want to punch the people who keep spewing, "If you hated Prometheus then you must be a dumbass who liked Avatar trolololol." I'm seeing utter stupidity from both the irrational fanbois, and from the trolling haters. Prometheus -- a ton of good-looking potential pissed down the drain by sloppy writing and editing. The end.

  • Sure that happens for certain films around here, I won't deny that, but this isn't one of those times. The majority of the reviews I've read over the last week seem legit.

  • Everyone calling Prometheus "brilliant scifi" needs to read Bradbury.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Re : hardboiled wonderland

    by Real Deal

    " Prometheus -- a ton of good-looking potential pissed down the drain by sloppy writing and editing. The end. " Thank you for your subjective opinion. The end now that you've expressed your opinion right?.

  • And like I've said elsewhere, I did like quite a lot from Prometheus. The map room scene with David and the engineers was pure brilliance. The visuals, FX, first class. It's the characterisations, writing, and editing that lets the film down. Seriously, how the fuck can you get angry about anyone expressing a "I like some parts, I disliked other parts, and in the end Prometheus as a whole wasn't bad but it wasn't great either" opinion? It's not me who has the problem, buddy.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Who is trolling

    by eric haislar

    You think I wanted to not like the movie. I wanted to love it. I am sure all of us do. it's Ridley fucKing Scotts return to sci fi. But guess what it's a disappointment. I would Wish I was just trolling. But it's not a great film. It's meh and that's worse then anything he could have put out.

  • I saw this on another forum and I'll paraphase/quote it here. The engineers are set up to be sort of "pre-Christian" gods of human society (the cave paintings). Either they quit visiting earth, or we quit worshiping them...I'm not sure what happens, but regardless, they hate us for some reason. Possibly because we quit worshiping them and started worshiping another God (Jesus)? Or, perhaps they thought we were too warlike and dangerous? The ending of the movie isn't just a shameless set up for the sequel; it's the folly of the main character failing to realize that it was her own faith and search for answers that lead to her destruction. Prometheus stole knowledge (fire) from the Gods, and was punished for it. Weyland, Shaw, and everyone else were trying to "research" the Gods (the engineers) and were punished (with death) for it. Still, despite all this, despite the death and destruction, she decides to keep on looking for answers and goes to the jockey's planet. She does not even see the fault in her action. She does not learn from her mistakes. She still wants to "steal fire" from the Gods. Then, you've also got the very obvious Prometheus parallel with mankind creating David, a new lifeform, and with the engineers creating us. This is also a biblical illusion as the main premise of the story of Adam and Eve is mankind wanting the knowledge of God. It's very similar to the ending of Blade Runner's finding the unicorn and then going into the elevator with the doors closing to an open end. Deckert does not realize that he, himself, may be a replicant, and he's going off with another replicant... It's a clear setup for a potential sequel (is Deckart a replicant? Will he be happy with his replicant girlfriend? what happens?). At the end of Promotheus, Shaw is flying off in sheer arrogance of everything that has happened, she is not giving up on her quest for the "fire of the Gods" (or knowledge that comes from the Gods) and her last monologue to David about finding out why the gods decided to destroy humans really emphasizes that part. There are a variety of reasons that the jockeys could have wanted to destroy us. What's strange to me is that no one has suggested that perhaps WE were a biological weapon experiment as well, potentially far more dangerous than the Aliens, and perhaps that is why the jockeys want to kill us. We are an experiment gone awry or an experiment with unsatisfactory results. In fact, this would be the most obvious reason that the jockeys would want to kill us, and it might be sci-fi cliche, but it's the very reason that Q in Star Trek wanted to wipe us out - because we were warlike savages. The fact that the aliens seemed designed (facehuggers) to specifically target humans (or at least other humanoids) gives some credence to this idea. Maybe the aliens were designed to wipe us out because we are far more dangerous threat to the universe?

  • June 8, 2012, 8:13 p.m. CST

    by Real Deal

    " Seriously, how the fuck can you get angry about anyone expressing a "I like some parts, I disliked other parts, and in the end Prometheus as a whole wasn't bad but it wasn't great either" opinion? It's not me who has the problem, buddy. " I'm not angry about that one bit. I might even have a similar opinion once I see the film. What I am down on is the mindless hate that I see here over and over again. It's not good enough to just express your opinion once. As shermdawg who I've been discussing this with has said about my dislike of the pile on attitude : " Sure that happens for certain films around here, I won't deny that, " So it's not just my imagination. I have seen it with films I have seen and can tell the hate over and over is something else. Some of us are just sick of it. Now do you understand?

  • June 8, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Re : erichaislar

    by Real Deal

    " I am sure all of us do " No. I'm not sure of that at all. It's ok not to like this film. It's just as ok to like it right?

  • So trollers, we're getting a sequel. Good, because despite it's flaws, it's a fantastic movie. Now will the bitchy keyboard warriors just PLEASE F*CK OFF! Well done Ridders ;)

  • June 8, 2012, 8:16 p.m. CST

    ONLY geeks and stupid people fail to love this movie

    by antonphd

    everyone else loves it

  • June 8, 2012, 8:17 p.m. CST

    An Example............

    by Real Deal

    " Typical liberal mind... I bet most critics who liked this movie are ignorant-liberals with childish notions about everything." Like I've been saying. An agenda that has nothing to do with a serious critique of the film.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:22 p.m. CST

    @real deal: I'll take your bet, and...

    by obijuanmartinez

    ...if you've read Bradbury, Ellison, Serling, Asimov, et al, then there is NO way in creation you will utter the words "Prometheus is brilliant science fiction" once you've seen it. It is a heartbreaking fiasco, and there are many mindless apologists carrying the flaming-turd torch (much as they did for a certain Star Wars prequel in 1999, and for a certain Indiana Jones sequel made 20 years after its last installment)

  • June 8, 2012, 8:24 p.m. CST

    @real deal, shouldn't you see the film first before joining this argument?

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    I understand where you're coming from, and I agree with the hate and vitriol that gets spat in these talkbacks just for the pure sake of it. So I agree with you there. But please, see the movie dammit! ;-)

  • June 8, 2012, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Re : obijuanmartinez

    by Real Deal

    " and there are many mindless apologists carrying the flaming-turd torch " And there are just as many and more that are expressing their hate it with another agenda that has nothing to do with the film or their real opinion right? As for my opinion I'll let you know when I see it.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Re : hardboiled wonderland

    by Real Deal

    If you understand where I'm coming from then you should have an answer to your question.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Stop apologizing.

    by elsewhere

    This won't be another Blade Runner ffs! Prometheus is a narrative fucking mess. The only thing it will be remembered for is mediocrity. You know typical Ridley Scott.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:28 p.m. CST

    For the record, I did not have any "please be a second Alien" expectations

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    In fact, I expected Prometheus to have very little, if anything, to do with 1979 Alien. I didn't expect Ridley Scott to return to Alien -- but I did hope for him to return to the level of smartly-written scifi that established his career with Alien and Bladerunner. I was hoping, after letdowns like Robin Hood, that Ridley would return to form. I was just so let down by the characters and script. I like the ideas behind the film, I have no problems with the subtext of faith and ancient aliens -- it's just so shoddily written and edited, it's wasted potential. And I hate seeing wasted potential in any film, especially from someone like Ridley Scott.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:29 p.m. CST

    ADEXSI

    by victor laszlo

    1) Agreed. 2) Agreed - takes the crown from Hugo, who took it from Avatar. Keep it coming into the new world of 3D, masters of cinema. 3) Of course scientists would be a blend of different personalities with all manner of cool toys, but aren't they interested in what they are studying? Would you say most scientists realize it doesn't always work on the first try? Would you say an elite group of scientists on a brand new world discovering the origins of EVERYTHING would maybe be impressed enough to not just be ambivalent dicks to each other? A) Very true. No problems there. B) Also very true. This is illustrated in Avatar as well, and important for films to display. C) True. D) Cool. E) So you agree there would be some kind of space-based survey of the surface, not just a random orbital insertion and then,'oh hey check out those lines we happened to spot out the window'.

  • Raid: the Redemption

  • June 8, 2012, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Oops, I meant "I agree with you about the hate.. that gets spat in talkbacks."

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

  • June 8, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Ah! Here We Go

    by Real Deal

    " This won't be another Blade Runner ffs! Prometheus is a narrative fucking mess. The only thing it will be remembered for is mediocrity. You know typical Ridley Scott. " So here's someone who doesn't like RS in the first place and yet predicts that this film won't be remembered in the same light as the other films he didn't like! LOL! Uh huh.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Don't give in to hate.

    by victor laszlo

    That leads to the Dark Side.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Re : hardboiled wonderland

    by Real Deal

    Read " elsewhere's " comment and maybe you'll see what I mean.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Am I alone in thinking the prologue was worse than the epilogue?

    by Novaman5000

    The engineer planting the seeds on earth basically sucked the mystery out of the entire movie for me. Talk about a mistake. At least the alien being born at the end didn't make the movie pointless like that opening did.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:32 p.m. CST

    comments on review

    by Tracy

    Did you watch the entire movie? plot holes? crew was expendable. Just like in alien. Some of whom they hired were not their best obviously. Bodies for exploration and walking around. Biologist buddy--like a LOT of animal handlers/biologists on TV? "Look at that HUGE MONSTER just gorgeous!' alien cesarean: she used the machine unauthorized. they wanted to bring her back with the alien in her. she had to escape that. You miss her pretending to be asleep and then attacking people to get out? The engineers later made the military installation. It was in their star system.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:34 p.m. CST

    This movie could have been so much more

    by Prometheus_VaJayJay_snake

    Change a few things here and there, tighten up the script work, and this film could have been epic. As it stands now, it's a flawed but fun and entertaining film. A couple of things that still disturb me about the film: The complete buffoonishness of the geologist and biologist that get served up to the vagina snake. These are gross misrepresentations of professional scientists, not to mention they are just plain facking stupid. I get that you have to have monster fodder in such a film, but these two characters are toxicly retarded. Guy Pearce in that horrible makeup. You have these amazingly beautiful cgi set pieces, yet Pearce's appliances look completely phony and out of place. Not to mention, what a flaccid way for the legend of Peter Weyland to go out in the film. Boo! Some of the creature FX were lame ass. Could Shaw's baby monster look anymore like Olive Garden calamari? Ridiculous. Also, the Alien at the end of the film looked half-assed and rushed. It reminded me of one of those downhill skiers with their drag reducing helmets. LMAO! I dunno, I liked the film. I thought it was fun, and a good recipient of my free time and $7.50. But I shudder at the awesomeness that could have been with a just a FEW changes! I am very surprised that Scott let some of these plot stinkers sneak past.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Let's rewrite the scenes we didn't like. #1, "Hey baby!" Milburn's snake encounter

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    This was a "lower the Asian down the well" moment for me. I hated Milburn's idiocy -- not just the fact he'd get close to an alien creature behaving like a pissed off snake, but the dialogue... my gods, the dialogue was cringeworthy amateur hour. So how would I have done this scene? Milburn: (curious) I'm just going to take a bio-reading. Fifield: Can't you do that from a distance? Milburn: It's more accurate if I can get close to the thing. (Milburn slowly takes step after step towards the snake, checking his tricorder. The snake suddenly rears up and spits. Milburn stops.) Milburn: Ok, you're right Fifield, I'll wait until we find a specimen that's dead. (Milburn walks away and the snake follows him) Fifield: I think it likes you, Milburn! Milburn: Haha! Very funny. I'm sure it'll lose interest soon... Fifield: (teasing) Nah, this is true love, man! (Milburn walks faster, zig zags, and the snake continues to stalk him) Milburn: (worried now) Distract it, Fifield! Fifield: (throws a rock) Move faster. (Milburn tries to climb the giant head, but slips) And then have the snake attack Milburn. This builds up some sympathy from the audience for Milburn, and Ridley gets to kill the Darwinist. But this scene in the movie -- there's just no suspense (just a bit of squirming as Milburn's arm gets broken), and the whole thing is laughable, it's a joke the way Milburn behaves.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST

    real deal

    by elsewhere

    You're looking for something that isn't there. Never did I say I didn't like Ridley Scott. The man has made two of my favorite films of all time. Blade Runner and Alien. Take your blinders off. Prometheus isn't and will never be in the same league as those movies.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:51 p.m. CST

    I just saw it and thought it was good.

    by frank

    Easily a three out of five, and maybe a four. There’s no way it was ever going to be ALIEN (as much as I originally hoped it would be). It has some flaws (mostly people acting like complete morons) and is certainly not a work of genius, but it is by no means a bad movie. It definitely benefits from Giger’s design work from ALIEN. I wish he had had more of an active role in designing the new elements of PROMETHEUS, though, as the new stuff pales in comparison to his work.

  • It's like a comedian having a joke on paper that he thinks is hilarious, but no one laughs when he tells it on stage. It just falls flat. The scene was meant to be one of those hilarious-but-disturbingly-awkward moments that has you laughing and squirming in your seat. It's just Milburn's dialogue and the way they executed it that makes it fall flat.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:53 p.m. CST

    @starbuck2907

    by scors54

    Thank you for being one of the few signs of intelligent life in this talk back. What a bunch of whiny moronic cunts. Flawed film, definitely, but some of you are just completely intolerable shitheads, really.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Although they did get the laughing-and-squirming tone right with Shaw's caesarean

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    That scene had people both laughing and squirming in their seats, it pulled off the funny-but-also-very-disturbing tone perfectly. Flashes of brilliance in Prometheus all too few. :-(

  • June 8, 2012, 8:56 p.m. CST

    @scors54 just proves out point, real deal!

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    And he loved Prometheus. if you didn't, then "What a bunch of whiny moronic cunts." There's asshattery on both sides, from the fanbois and haters.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:59 p.m. CST

    @scors54 -- we *get* the movie, we *get* the themes and questions

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    it's just that it's so poorly written and edited. So please don't make all critics out to be ignorant... or "moronic cunts" as you so eloquently put it.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:59 p.m. CST

    elsewhere

    by Real Deal

    " Never did I say I didn't like Ridley Scott. " " The man has made two of my favorite films of all time. Blade Runner and Alien. " And yet " The only thing it will be remembered for is mediocrity. You know typical Ridley Scott. " Perhaps you'd like to resolve these two diverse statements for the folks at home.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Not a fucking plot hole

    by bod33

    Why do people keep saying that the engineer just suddenly decided to head to Earth to destroy it. They were already going to go to Earth before the Prometheus showed up. Remember when David first found the map room, a route to earth was already locked in. The accident with the goo happened and only one engineer was able to go into stasis, so when he awoke he was just going along with the original plan.

  • In an interview this week, Ridley said that Rothman had a huge influence on the themes and direction of Promtheus. I'm wondering if it was Alien3-level studio interference with the script.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:05 p.m. CST

    don't understand something...

    by rogerdodger21

    how can this reviewer say that he enjoyed the movie so much yet go on at length about the gaping plot holes and plain moronic elements of the story? i find it funny that so many people are defending it for not answering questions because it causes discussion and ideas to happen or some shit like that. i don't think the non-answers were on purpose at all. i think lindelof ultimately lost control of trying to do too many things in one movie. i'm all for mystery in a film, but more importantly i want economy of storytelling. this had none. philosophical treatise and monster horror thriller? filmmakers not smart enough to handle both. lindelof says in an interview that he thought the original alien was about "creation." no, it wasn't. it was about going on a white knuckle ride with a fully-realized cast of characters. the prometheus characters are alien rehashes (david the android, shaw as the ripley) or just idiots who are stupid enough not to care about (geologist, biologist, holloway). there wasn't a moment in the film i didn't see coming, and that disappoints me in a film that aims so high.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Domi's Inner Child: You're deluded if you think it's writers who screw up a movie

    by MARCEL_THE_NEGRO_PROJECTIONIST

    A writer will bring a great script to a studio, and, more often than not, it's the producers and the director who then either water it down or simply don't get it, and put out a piss poor cinematic facsimile of it. Ever read Shane Black's script for LONG KISS GOODNIGHT? Game changing script that simply wasn't realized by Renny Harlin. Or Joss Whedon's early draft for ALIEN RESURRECTION? Great, with a lot of Joss ideas in it, that was raped and forced to felch from its girlfriend's ass before spitting it back in her mouth. I could go on and on, but you all get the idea. Does a writer ever screw up a project? Hell yes! But I'm a working writer who's been lucky enough to have had two movies made, one an indy, the other a studio pic, and I can tell you, unequivocally, once the writer turns in his latest draft, you're pretty much in the hands of the directors, producers and studio execs. Jon Spaights script PASSENGERS is, imo, a near flawless masterpiece, that, if it's ever filmed, and if it's a mess, is not going to be his fault. He fulfilled his part of the bargain, and delivered a beautiful, nigh philosophical masterpiece about our human need for companionship. I hope Keanu Reeves, if he makes Spaights script, doesn't blow it. There are so many forces at work seemingly conspiring against you ever having your vision come to the screen. But that vision, usually the clearest, pitch-perfect version of it, is all the writer can deliver from the get go. After that, you're in the lap of the Engineers.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Re : hardboiled wonderland

    by Real Deal

    While what you've said is true there's a lot more of the BS on one side than the other. If you can't see that you're missing the point.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:12 p.m. CST

    real deal

    by elsewhere

    Wow you're thick. Ridley has made more films than the two I listed and most of them have been pretty mediocre. That's what I was getting at....

  • The way the ending was directed it’s like were supposed to be siding with Noomi Rapace and cheering on her determination to find answers. I do think they were (mostly) just trying to set up a sequel. I like your idea better of it being more tragic that she won’t give up her obsession and cut her losses. If they had presented it the way you suggest, I think that would have been a better ending.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Re : elsewhere

    by Real Deal

    Did you mention those other films. I'd like to be but I'm really not a mind reader. So you can't express yourself very well and that makes me thick. Gotcha!

  • June 8, 2012, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Couple of thoughts on plot

    by Prometheus_VaJayJay_snake

    So.... The engineers leave a star chart for humanity to find them, but it leads to an alien military complex and not a ticker tape parade on engineer homeworld. The engineer was clearly not in the mood to see his creations, so why the big advert to come see the stars? We are lead to believe that the remaining engineer is headed to Earth to unload his black-DNA-reconfiguring-goo to destroy us, so again, why the invitation to the party? Is it because mankind has become too much of a threat to the universe? They certainly aren't destroying us because we aren't a "perfect organism" like the xenomorph. Listen, the xenos are like big ants with hive mentaility and a queen. I don't see them building trillion dollar starcraft...know what I'm saying? We're the threat. Perhaps our growing technological know how is like an uncontrollable viral outbreak and they want to squash it. Let's talk about the monsters... So, the goo is released by the coptic jars when the atmosphere in the temple is changed by Shaw and her crew. I assume the goo is triggered to release by changes to temp, humidity, and CO2 levels and as hinted by the changing mural. The goo transforms the worms we see under Shaw's feet into the vagina snakes. The vagina snake kills the biologist, and the goo transforms the geologist into a raving yoga bending creature. Holloway is infected with goo by David, and then proceeds to impregnate Shaw with his DNA seed. The goo somehow knows to grow a squid in Shaw's barren womb? The squid turns out to be a giant proto-face hugger that face rapes the engineer. Follow? Fuck this I'm done.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Just watch...

    by fauns_bass_1

    ...the original Alien movie again and experience... The sheer tension. The bloody fucking horror of it all. Mystery (remember that)... Leaving things to your imagination. Logic. Y'know... where events and character actions actually make sense, no need to fill in gaps... A writer actually doing his bloody job. A pace that allows for story and character development, and sometimes that can mean less is more... ("father"... sigh) A soundtrack which serves all of the above rather than being intrusive and irritating. An ending that doesn't fucking suck. Alien is an amazing film isn't it? ;) Prometheus has NONE of these attributes. ...Given the universe it is based in and the potential that Prometheus had it is one of the worst movies I have ever seen, a total waste when it could have been so damn good. Ridley Scott and Lindoff should be ashamed of this pile of shit. Prometheus is incredibly disrespectful to the work of art that is Alien and disrespectful to the fans who have supported the series and have paid good money to see this shitty fucking film. Dan O'Bannon must be turning in his grave. I hope Scott quits the film industry. Please, PLEASE don't do a Blade Runner sequel, I really don't want to know if Deckard is a replicant or not. If you like this movie good for you, and if you honestly believe this isn't a prequel good for you... I can't be bothered to argue. For those as disappointed as I am I salute you and I will join you as we get drunk on fine wine and burn our Alien Quadrilogy box sets. Also... i'm sick of seeing the word "franchise" linked with these films as some sort of cool buzz word. The definition of "franchise" is a repeated business model and nothing to do with being creative... Like a McDonalds, well packaged but ultimately an empty experience. Fuck "franchise" movies and fuck Prometheus. Give us something daring, original and GOOD you talentless coke fuelled money grabbing pricks.

  • Everything pretty much sucks compared to ALIEN. Before the reviews started coming in, I was hoping maybe Scott could do it again, but just because he didn’t make a classic doesn’t mean the movie sucks. It’s merely good. Compared to what I was originally hoping for, it is a major disappointment. But as its own film, it is above average. It’s not like it’s The Phantom Menace or something.

  • The Engineers come to primitive Earth, and one Engineer ceremonially drinks the liquid knowing it will end his life (maybe he drew the short straw), but to begin the process of seeding Earth with the raw materials to grow life that is similar in genetic nature to the Engineers. The Engineers visit at times in early Earth history to check on progress. They interact with ancient cultures and leave them a crude marker of where they came from for some reason, and it does mark the moon LV-223 because Earth is one of that outpost's projects (maybe the marks were for other Engineers - they were calling dibs). Okay, maybe not. The plan is to send the ship back to Earth to expose them to the black goo to evolve the human populace to the next phase in the Engineer's master plan (perhaps to turn them into shock troops for a war, or in part of a larger biological experiment), but there is an accident, people die, and LV-223 goes into lockdown/stasis. The Engineer that is awoken recognizes the humans and becomes intensely frustrated as he gets with the program because (a) he has been asleep WAAAYYY too long and (b) humans were never supposed to be there. There may even be a violation perceived in it. So his first thought is essentially fuck these simpleton creatures, I need to get the fuck out of here and get home. Maybe he did want to go bio-weapon Earth first, but I can see why maybe he has no patience for the questions of mere ants. When they ram ships and ruin his chances, he comes after her out of rage, and because he wants no more obstacles in whatever course he was trying to set out on. I enjoyed Fassbender (who is quickly turning out to be one of the best youngish actors out there) and I liked that you didn't know if he was bad, good, or just following programming I thought Noomi was solid, although all of her physical activity after surgery was hard to swallow I appreciated the father/child motif running throughout with Weyland and daughter, Engineer and Human, Human and Android. I appreciated the whole "sometimes there are no answers" answer to the big question of what is god and what did he want. But, I also agree with many of you. There was NOTHING cuddly about the vagina snake that would have ever convinced me to try and pet it. Were there other holes? Yes. Were there other character actions that felt off? Yes. Did Idris Elba look sexy as hell, like usual? Yes. Did his accent really work? No. I'd give this movie a B. As I wrote above, I thought highly of some things, and I appreciated the theme and motifs there were trying to build, but I do not think they pulled it off. They tried to pack too much into it, and it was a bit too contrived and trite at times to stick the landing. I do not think it was a total miss though, and do remain curious as to what Ms. Shaw and David will find. Them speeding off would have been a better ending.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:44 p.m. CST

    You haters are RETARDS!

    by HB_Dad

    This was the best sci-fi movie in YEARS! The Engineers created man accidentally. From what I can see, they banished their head scientist who was responsible for the black goo that infected everybody on early planet earth. He manages to sneak a vial of the goo with him and then commits suicide with it. His DNA then spread across the planet through out water and create us. The reason they are rushing to Earth to wipe us out is because we are not supposed to exist and it is a HUGE fuck up they are must fix before we spread. When they see us on their planet, they realize how quickly we spread. We are the black goo infection!

  • June 8, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST

    @prometheus_vajayjay_snake

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    your whole first paragraph is moot. Only Shaw and her team assume it's an invitation. There is no proof it was any such thing. And then later: "We were so wrong!" The goo doesn't 'know to grow a squid'. It mutates DNA to create hostile organisms. Judging by the mural in the ship, it tries to push inevitably towards a xenomorph form.

  • The Jockeys were infected 2000 years ago, I'm pretty sure we've been hanging out on Earth longer than that, bud.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Calm down haters

    by 999laikas

    If you think Prometheus was "retarded" or a complete disaster, you need your squishy brain examined. Is it flawed? Sure. So what? It's still an (almost) great sci if film. Which is way better than no (almost) great sci if film. I'd put it a distant third after Aliens, which is still high praise.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Thoughts...

    by Marc W

    Saw it today--loved it--still coalescing all my thoughts about it... As far as the pregnancy--Shaw was infertile--that thing in her was clearly to me the effect of the black goo on his sperm...A precursor to the concept of the facehugger in both its eventual form and also the concept of inserting this thing into someone...not conveiving it jointly... I feel like there is a conenction between the Ebola reference and the way the ooze disintegrated the first engineer... The worms in the dirt were altered by the goo, as was the Dr., but the geologist guy was pretty much wrecked by the worm prior to encountering the ooze... David's dialogue about how disappointing it will be if the engineers just did this because they could--seems right on the money. We were playthings to them..even the navigation sustem witht he flute etc gave the feeling of this all as a game or experiment to the engineers...and they did not want their playthings coming back to haunt them... The two getting lost--was the captain somehow perhaps sending them incorrect navigation info--he clrearly lies to them several times--seems to have a totally different agenda than ANYONE else but its never fully fleshed out... More to come as this all rolls around in my thick skull....

  • June 8, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST

    I have to disagree on Rothman's level of influence..

    by ganymede3010

    I just can't imagine any suit allowing a movie to be rated R instead of PG-13 if he had the "final decision".

  • June 8, 2012, 10:08 p.m. CST

    The Engineers are... POWDER!

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    It all makes sense now! :-P http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114168/

  • June 8, 2012, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Rothman had a huge influence on Prometheus. PROOF -->

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1575/ridley-scott-because-theyre-such-aggressive-fkers Ridley: But then with Prometheus – which I thought was bloody well intellectual – that wasn’t my idea. It was Fox’s notion, It came from Tom Rothman, who’s a smart fellow.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:15 p.m. CST

    I also think Ridley sees himself as Prometheus

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    Stealing the fire (imagination) from the Gods (movie fans and talkback critics). Yes, tongue firmly in cheek. I have a very dry sense of humour that gets lost on a lot of talkbackers unfortunately.

  • 3D IMAX image: like looking out the Prometheus' window and seeing mountains in the distance.  The cleanest and most rounded, holographic live action images perhaps ever. Just gonna go on about the image quality in 3D IMAX because it was actually much better than avengers 3D IMAX quality which I thought was superb. I would say you are missing the entire point of this movie if you miss it in 3D IMAX- the experience of landing on a planet in 1 to 1 flawless you are there. Movie: I watched Alien in the actual theater last night so I was ready to rock and roll. Prometheus is episode 1 of the alien saga. It is part 1 of prometheus. It answers many questions and then leaves brand new ones I can't wait to see answered in Prometheus 2. You find out the origin of the 'adventure' music in alien. There's incredible good all through but it has some of the stupidest bull in a china shop scientists you've ever seen. It's got some issues that could be fixed when we see the sequel. It's got other issues that feel like there must be deleted scenes to expand and patch.  The movie is evil dead batshit insane dark horse alien comic brought to life with the painting that only 3D imax provides. If the next one pays off then it could elevate this one even further. Seek it out in 3D IMAX for the experience of landing on an alien planet and exploring that planet in 1 to 1 scale. That's the best way to enjoy this. 

  • June 8, 2012, 10:21 p.m. CST

    re: chronicallydepressedlemming -nice post

    by da-giez

    I agree with you on your thoughts. I wish the movie answered more but well. $=sequel...

  • June 8, 2012, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, forgot about the biggest disappointment.

    by frank

    What about the fucking naked pushups? You lied to me Ridley! Why make the movie rated R and then leave out the naked pushups?

  • Liked it. Interesting and unique. I had no bones with anything cept the score: The score was something out of a Indiana Jones movie or something simular most of the time and was used waaaay to much. Beautifully shot. Good acting. Great Fx. Cool creatures. Go see it.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST

    INTER-ENGINEER CONFLICT?

    by TakeItEasyMon

    The Engineer at the beginning, on ancient Earth. Perhaps marooned, perhaps banished? Maybe he managed to sneak off the 'mothership' with that DNA-seed canister, with I dunno, some sort of genetic hardwiring for that set of stars to be imprinted in his descendants (humans?) Maybe two groups of engineers, the 'seeders' and the 'cleaners' so to speak. I think the ones they found on LV might have been a completely different set with a different agenda (clean up the mistakes (humans, etc).

  • June 8, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST

    perhaps my favorite thing in the feedback...

    by omarthesnake

    is the guy who point-by-point shoots down EVERY SINGLE CRITICISM of a previous poster, and the response he gets is 'nice try'. Yeah, fuck you people who dare not be indignant about the imagined slights and raise reasoned rebuttals. Not a perfect movie, but a very interesting one worth further analysis, not mindless "I hate it, that guy hated it, that makes it unanimous" bullshit. Certainly worth contemplation. will be regarded well in the future. sacredfun makes some good observations, btw, perhaps you haters should read that before puffing yourselves up more and thinking anyone who has an opinion that differs with you is not worthy.

  • Thought it was good. Just so we're clear, we have the same DNA as the "Engineers" but the goo reacts differently on us then as on them? Also, when does the film show the jockeys getting affected by the goo?

  • June 8, 2012, 10:59 p.m. CST

    TheFuzz008

    by TakeItEasyMon

    The very first scene, with the lone engineer on 'earth.' Opens the vial, drinks the black goo, promptly dies and 'seeds' the planet.

  • June 8, 2012, 11 p.m. CST

    Also, "majority" does not mean unanimous.

    by Shermdawg

  • That's not for certain. Fiefeld was dead when the goo mutated him, and we don't know what would've ultimately happened to Holloway if he hadn't been torched by Vickers.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Question re: Giant head in the temple...

    by Mr. Waturi

    Was it ever explained why that was there? Could it have been that the engineers stole it from their giants? Do we know for a fact that Idris Elba's explanation was true? I thought the movie fell apart in the second half, but it was worth seeing.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:24 p.m. CST

    God is pissed and tries to bring the flood?

    by UltraTron

  • June 8, 2012, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Tries to whipe the mistake like when he did the Noah thing

    by UltraTron

  • June 8, 2012, 11:27 p.m. CST

    They worship the bald god to be sure

    by UltraTron

  • June 8, 2012, 11:27 p.m. CST

    perhaps their leader like Abraham Lincoln only more famous

    by UltraTron

  • June 8, 2012, 11:28 p.m. CST

    looks like Brando and Ralph Fiennes combined

    by UltraTron

  • ...6)Idris Elba doing his best Austin Texas Truck Driver impersonation 7)Noomi Rapace doing her best multiple dialects showcase 8)Silly use of supposed evil corporate guru Weyland that went nowhere 9) Most if not all of the characters do things that make zero sense (as scientists and survivalists) 10) all this leads to the terrible SCRIPT.Weak script weak movie. There are fine actors in this film and when good actors are acting not very good it's the script and the directors fault.Can't believe Ridley was okay with this film being a part of his return to the AlienVerse from script to screen. The only things I found worthy are the cinematography/visuals and Fassbenders David. Hell I would rather watched 2 hours of Fassbender's David on a solo mission ala Rockwell in Moon.Watching movies,shooting basketball,learning languages,studying The Engineers.He was great and was the only thing that kept me interested in this sad excuse for a compelling AlienVerse story. A big letdown to this fan of Ridley and the AlienVerse as a whole.At least Paul WS Anderson and The Strause Brothers knew EXACTLY what kind of AlienVerse movie they were going to make...Prometheus is friggin' all over the place. Oh yeah and Fincher's Alien 3,the one most people hate is a better film than Ancient Aliens Season 2 episode 7 err... I mean Prometheus.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! Need answers to this shit!!!!!

    by UltraTron

  • June 8, 2012, 11:31 p.m. CST

    the viral videos add. Bet there's tons of deleted stuff

    by UltraTron

  • June 8, 2012, 11:32 p.m. CST

    I just realized: It was Star Trek V

    by Chief Joseph

    With Noomi as Sybok. "What does God need with a starship?" "Why is God trying to kill us?" What a depressing realization. This movie obviously wasn't test-screened, and it should have been.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Sequel in the fall?

    by SpiceWonBruce

    http://www.whatis101112.com/ The date (10.11.12) show up in the end credits. I recall that Scott mentioned splitting the movie in two parts in a 2010 interview. And in a January article, Beaks slyly mentioned the sequel was already in development. By the way, where is Beaks? He is the only reviewer on the site to not offer his opinion on Prometheus.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:36 p.m. CST

    We will succeed them if they don't

    by UltraTron

  • June 8, 2012, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Actually, it is I think

    by dasource

    Throughout the movie, the xenomorph, as we will eventually come to know it, seems to evolve from one stage to another. The first stage was when David the android 'poisons' Holloway. Next, when Holloway has sex with Shaw, he impregnates her with his infected DNA. The result is that weird squid looking thing that Shaw has to take out surgically. Finally, that squid looking thing eventually grows to a much larger creature, and that creature attacks and deposits egg into the engineer. The alien that bursts out of the engineer looks like a fully formed xenomorph.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:57 p.m. CST

    starbuck2907: like that theory!

    by UltraTron

  • June 9, 2012, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Did you notice the censored F-bomb?

    by Chief Joseph

    The Geologist said it, but they covered it up with static. Did I get the TV edit or something?

  • June 9, 2012, 12:10 a.m. CST

    god i hate most of you people.

    by la te ral us

    psycho_rat_attack, i wish there were more chaps like you on here "alien 3 is better"?? FUCK YOU!! i loved the film from start to finish, sure there are some lingering questions, but nothing the inevitable sequel won't cover. "there is nothing whatsoever gross or scary"?? FUCK YOU!!! that is such bullshit. why was alien rated R then?? cause it is a disney movie compared to some of the horrific images on display here. the face rape is waaaaaaaaay more graphic than the classic face hugger scenes. actually come to think of it, comparatively, face huggers "hug", but the aliens in this straight up rape your fucking face. im not gonna hate on a classic, but I'm 32 and i grew up loving aliens, but alien not so much. it was slow, not scary and only had one crappy looking alien. i didn't hate it, i always just saw it as the second best in the series. as a primer, i just watched alien before going in to prometheus and for my money, prometheus is easily the best in the series. can someone explain to me honestly why alien was so scary?? that first shot of the adult alien was so fucking corny, i laughed so hard. also, alien has no plot and no character development. it's a very simple "bottle" story that is only meant to scare, but naturally the scares don't hold up 30 years later. prometheus turns it up to 11, its certainly big idea sci-fi, even if it doesn't answer every question. its still a lot more concerned with telling a sci-fi story, than any of the other films were, with the exception being the terrible alien resurrection. alien is one note, aliens is 2 notes. prometheus is at least attempting to write a symphony. speaking of...that's probably the worst thing about it, its got a pretty forgettable score unfortunately. i understand why its not a prequel to alien. we see the evolution, but it has nothing to do with alien/aliens, its better. and fuck everyone giving avengers a free pass just because it doesn't suck. i loved it and i can't wait to see it again, but i had a much better time with prometheus. a lot of the avengers is corny as shit, and IT HAS NO PLOT. its not about anything. it's about the team up, thats it. but the villains were fucking terrible. prometheus was also the best use of 3D to date, better than avatar. and FUCK YOU to anyone comparing avatar to prometheus. avatar was pretty, but its not worth a second look. but i would be watching prometheus again right now if i wasn't at work... fuck you, you cynical hipster douchbags...you know who you are. actually what am i talking about, no you don't. one more thing, i hate the marketing of this film, they showed to much.

  • June 9, 2012, 12:17 a.m. CST

    This story doesn't have that many plot holes...

    by nikem3

    The movie was so simple and obvious. Terrorist engineers created aliens, by using the black ooze, they decided that instead of killing themselves, they'd make another race to infect and then create aliens. So one of the terrorist engineers killed himself to create humans. They were going to create aliens and unleash it on the enigneer world, but then the good army came in and murdered all the terrorists except one. They were all piled up into a corner and executed on top of each other. When the terorrist engineer wakes up, he kills the people because he wants to go finish his plan. But then they crash into his ship, he gets pissed and goes to beat the crap out of the girl and gets messed up. Simple movie.

  • Maybe you'll never see this, and I promise you I will never see your reply, but your silly twaddle about Steve Irwin does not change the fact that this biologist or whatever the hell he is approached an alien and extended his arm to it instead of getting the hell away from it like any sane human being would do. Period.

  • June 9, 2012, 12:24 a.m. CST

    I wonder if the early trailers created disappointment for some

    by dasource

    I got to thinking, one of the main reasons there was such tremendous buzz over this movie was because of the clever marketing of multiple 'Prometheus' trailers. These trailers (as most movie trailers) seemed to indicate a lot of intense action, possibly with multiple alien forms. Plus, there was talk that this movie had ties to the 'Alien' universe. So I'm thinking that some (many?) people went into this movie expecting something like 'Aliens' or even 'Alien Resurrection,' and waiting and waiting for that moment, which never really comes. Movie goers hyped up this movie based on those expectations, and might have felt a tremendous let down. I think Ridley Scott should just have said that this movie was its own unique movie, and not talk about 'Prometheus' having 'Alien' DNA, or that the last 15 minutes would be an homage to 'Alien' fans. So I agree with John in that the last scene was total fan boy stuff and felt tacked on as a last minute addition to tie some things together.

  • June 9, 2012, 12:24 a.m. CST

    nikem3, lol

    by Shermdawg

  • June 9, 2012, 12:26 a.m. CST

    BTW: Promethius is a much better Sci Fi movie than AVATAR.

    by Mike Soiseth

    Better movie also.

  • June 9, 2012, 12:26 a.m. CST

    @starbuck2907 Interesting ideas but allow me to retort:

    by YackBacker

    Shaw is on a suicide mission to the Engineer's homeworld. She's not looking for answers, she basically tells David that to get his help- she's manipulating him finally understanding how he operates. And when Shaw gets to their home world, she will unleash the weapon and eliminate any future threat to Earth (or so she thinks). David's line comes to mind: "Isn't it every kid's wish to have their parents die?" I do like the idea of the Engineers thinking we're a dangerous creature. Our ability to create our own Gods may offend the order of things according to them. Or maybe our ability to rise above our biological selves and achieve true emotions is dangerous to them. Imagine if you created a toaster oven, meant to make toast, and one day it became self-aware and possessed a philosophical and emotional world-view? I know what I'd do- I'd freak out on that little toaster oven.

  • June 9, 2012, 12:29 a.m. CST

    growing more disappointed the more I think about it...

    by lightwriter

    No matter what the philosophy behind Prometheus, the fact is that none of the characters had any arc and there wasn't a central character you *really* feared or *really* rooted for. The only character I can think of that you might root for is Shaw, but you spent the whole movie knowing (from the trailers) that she was naive and wrong (plus I thought she was gonna die). And there wasn't one central evil monster to fear until a point came where you started rooting for a protagonist (which is what happened in Alien). And then there's other stupid stuff, like Charlize being Weyland's daughter (pointless) and her retarded death (um, just run a few feet to the left or right).

  • June 9, 2012, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Why did the old age makeup in Prometheus look so bad?

    by ufoclub1977

    why? why? why?

  • June 9, 2012, 12:42 a.m. CST

    I havent heard anyone mention that the snakes..

    by jon g

    seem to clearly be a mutated form of the earthworms that were seen on the floor when the crew was walking around in the urn chamber. First it showed them in the soil, then it showed them doused in the black goo. So, the white snakes were a mutated monster version of those little worms. The only reason I bring this up is because i've heard several people bring up that they thought the snakes killed the crew, but they seem to have been a recent mutation that were affected just like the crew members.

  • June 9, 2012, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Explanation of Derelict ship, goo, invitation.

    by Charlie

    The bio goo creates the alien. Instead of storing dangerous eggs or live aliens. They stored the Alien in the bio goo form. Which then finds life and adapts to it. Drop it on a planet. It finds life and goes through a couple stages of evolving until it can create the final Alien. Combing local DNA to use along the way and to help it. Much more useful. Showing the alien at the end, was just just clarify this stuff builds the alien. The humans still haven't discovered them yet. With out that shot, there'd be no direct link to the aliens. Just weird mutating monster, creatures ect. I bet it's only there in case they were not able to make a sequel explaining the link. The derelict ship, is possibly the old form of storage where they did transport the aliens as eggs. Not the refined form of the goo. Also the invitation is that for whatever reason when the life forms they created get to a certain level of advancement. They can follow the invitation and go to the pyramids. Which triggers a ship to go back to their home work. LV-223 was meant to be abandoned. Just with a pilot in stasis in each ship. Why? That is the question. One that maybe there's no good answer to. The chamber with the head, is there to get the aliens to go out. The Urns in there are not stable and kept in a stasis. Hence why the head was preserved. Going in there, the urns was set up to get rid of the people who found the temple. While the ship was to then go home. Obviously something had gone wrong, but the basic system still worked. More like the aliens prepping the whole place were killed.

  • June 9, 2012, 12:47 a.m. CST

    AICN is just haters now

    by Ripper99

    Any film that comes out...sucks. i am a filmmaker....i won't say who...but i come here alot...and any film that is made for "US"...geeks...film lovers....whatever we call ourselves....we just destroy. It is fine to have criticism for a movie.....but to say this movie sucks...go out and make your own and see if you can get it to the level Ridley has. The fact that he made this extordinary piece of work and gave it to us....we should be thanking him....or else enjoy seeing endless Alvin and the Chipmunk movies in your movie theaters. Can't wait till you guys say The Dark Knight Riaes sucks.....and Christopher Nolan should've done this and this. Go out and make your own film and let's see what people say about it. Prometheus rules

  • June 9, 2012, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Hey, I actually loved the movie quit a bit

    by DementedCaver

    It didn't suck at all...in fact it was pretty damn good. IMO although...that last shot did seem just tacked on....but it certainly didn't kill the movie for me either.

  • June 9, 2012, 12:49 a.m. CST

    my confusion.....

    by jon g

    is that the original alien life cycle had a very definate, clean series of stages that made sense. In Prometheus There dosent seem to be any rhyme or reason to the effects of the black goo. And why would the DNA from an infected human create a gigantic primordial facehugger? Seems like this would be a pretty sloppy way to clear out a planet, instead of the dna just carrying forward the infection to shaw and having her suffer the same symptoms and die. Another question is, why did the severed Engineers head blow up? Would this have been the natural conclusion to the infection and Halloway and fifeld just didnt live long enough for this to happen?

  • If Alien took place in 2079 and Prometheus took place in 2093...

  • June 9, 2012, 12:58 a.m. CST

    ripper99

    by lightwriter

    Criticizing art, in both a positive and negative fashion, has been happening for centuries. As artists, we accept that this is part of our lives. And there's nothing wrong with watching a movie, listening to a song, looking at a painting, etc... and expressing a negative opinion. Especially since we pay to see it. Can the audience do it better than we can? Probably not. But as artists we put ourselves and our art out there for all to see. And I certainly don't call someone a "hater" if they don't like my work.

  • June 9, 2012, 12:58 a.m. CST

    ironhelix

    by Tim

    Really? Platisc melting onto someone face, a character burned at point blank, ribs and skulls being viciously stomped, and, oh yea, a fucking graphically shown alien c-section... I think the movie deserved the R.

  • June 9, 2012, 1 a.m. CST

    ripper99...

    by ufoclub1977

    There have been some truly great genre films of late that I have no problems with. From "District 9"s brilliant video game quest come to life to "Enter the Void"s awesome original monumental vision and structure. Prometheus cannot hide it's flaws. And it might not be Ridley Scott's fault, after all, checking his track record with things like Legend and Someone to Watch Over Me, the script and plot are not his strengths or concerns (or even his understanding). I wouldn't pin the flaws of Prometheus on Scott.

  • June 9, 2012, 1:02 a.m. CST

    "graphically shown alien c-section"

    by Shermdawg

    That wasn't graphic at all, and the plastic face melt was in all of the ads. The violence in Prometheus was tame compared to what Supernatural gets by with on network tv. with a TV-14 rating.

  • June 9, 2012, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Anyone else want to see LAWRENCE OF ARABIA in 3D now?

    by CherryValance

    I mean that's the happy thought I came away with. About the movie, I should say I'm not a "fan" of the Alien movies. In fact, I'm not sure that I've seen any of the others besides ALIEN, which I've seen more than once and thought was okay. But that was a while ago. So I pretty much was viewing it as a stand alone film. I still thought it sucked. It doesn't matter about answering questions, imo, because I don't know all the things I was supposed to be looking for in terms of the other films. I just know this was pretty bad. First of all I didn't like the two leads at all. Those characters were annoying and I can't imagine how the guy who ended up infected and burned was a scientist in the first place. He just seemed like an asshole. I was glad when he died. Theron was great and I think she was an android. Even if she called Guy Pearce her dad so would a replicant, right? They wouldn't know there were an android. Who's to say that's not what she is? You really shouldn't trust the characters. They don't necessarily all know what's going on. And in that way I believe that everyone saying that Rapace's character misinterpreted the drawings as an invitation was right. She made that up. They were just drawings of people pointing to a star formation. No one even knows who drew it. All of those scientists were pretty stupid. The red haired guy wanted to leave and go back to the ship, because he seemed scared, his excuse being that he was a geologist and that was just goop. But then a little while later on he's right back in the same place still not looking at rocks. Why the change of heart? I didn't understand most of what Idris Elba said. His character was just there. With an accordion. David was the only good character really because he's the only one who did anything. He was the smartest but also childlike and mischievous and he pretty much figured everything out just by poking around. The point of this I think was meant to be that humans are stupid. Now as to why the movie doesn't work. I think it's clear that there was one movie and then Damon Lindelof came along and made it into two squished together movies. I like the guy but what he doesn't seem to register is that not everyone looks at things the same way he does. Firstly it's clear from the LOST finale that he doesn't care about answers, he's said as much, and his questions are spiritual ones. Also he has daddy issues. So what we have here is a movie that has the questions "God, why did you make us just to hate us?" and "Dad, why don't you just die already?" shoehorned into it. So you have those big white guys who are supposed to be our creators, but I'm not even sure if they are. (He just drank the stuff and disintegrated.) Anyway, they couldn't care less about us. And as previously stated, their response to us is "Yes, I hate you, Hulk smash!" Making God (?) an idiot and asshole of a father. Signature Lindelof. David wants to kill his parents/creators, the humans, so he poisons Whatshisface with the drink knowing he'll make a squid baby that will destroy everybody. That's probably why he wasn't helping Whatsherface with her abortion. The problem with all of this is that it's so hamfisted and just juvenile. If you don't give a rat's ass about who created you and why and why they don't love you like they should, then half this movie is going to leave you cold. What's left isn't really interesting enough to keep you going. If you wanted an ALIEN type monster movie, well that got saved until the end and is maybe promised in a next installment. But it wasn't really here either. After reading the talkback I admit I too thought of SUNSHINE, and that it was better than this. So it was interesting to see I wasn't alone. And when I saw the first trailer I had thought of EVENT HORIZON, which I think is great, and wished this was more like and I think if this had really just decided what it was it might have been more like that. I feel bad because I do like the people involved and I'd like for them to have a success but as hard as I tried I could not find it anything less that predictable and just downright silly in the end. I mean who didn't know that was a ship about an hour earlier than the reveal? And who didn't know that the dude in the chamber was alive? Kids' stuff.

  • ...Promtentiousness just ruined the mystery of the Alien Xeno myth.Origin stories of beloved characters,creatures in classic movies are fun to debate about.But are sometimes better left well enough alone.Especially in this film case.

  • June 9, 2012, 1:44 a.m. CST

    ok, a lot of people (including me) have their timeline off.

    by Shermdawg

    2093 -Prometheus 2122 - Alien Thanks for pointing that out, Park.

  • June 9, 2012, 1:45 a.m. CST

    sorry for multi post IPad screen is jacked up..

    by kenchun24

  • June 9, 2012, 1:47 a.m. CST

    shermdawg ...

    by HB_Dad

    Alien took place in 2179, not 2079. You are off by 100 years!

  • June 9, 2012, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Who cares ...

    by MajorBludd

    About weylands old makeup. Who even cares about the flute or the non-existent threat depicted in the engineers hologram? Who cares about the proto-Xeno at the end? The fucking score people!!! The fuckin score was so jarring and out of place. I knew this was the Hindenburg as soon as that travesty of a score started pissing all over the atmosphere 20 min in. This shit is mind-boggling. If one facet of the production was weak (say the fucking SCRIPT) or editing, of score or some of the supporting cast - that's one thing. Can't fault ridley for one of those falling through the cracks. But it was all of those combined. Other than the beautiful camera - everything else was a failure. This film is bonkers. Mind blowing in its mediocrity. The trailer is a work of art in itself, yet the film is so amateurish I almost believe that: A) Ridley simply wanted to experiment with the conventions at such a fundimental level that he is rebelLing against common sense and his own good taste for the sake of creating post-post modern film making. Is he that hip? Or B) Ridley hates humanity. The idea was to set up the expendable humans for destruction because the true protagonist here is the purity of the DNA - which is truly the vessel for evolution - ie a chain of perfect organisms which are also survivors. He idolizes the concept of DNA through evolution over millennia. So that is the only hero here - not the engineers nor the humans.

  • He was confused by the Tricentennial patch they were wearing. But regarding the date of 2179, that's Aliens, not Alien.

  • ..or something like that.

  • June 9, 2012, 2:12 a.m. CST

    Kenchun24

    by MajorBludd

    The score is a pillar of the film experience. Film is the highest art form in that it combines stage, acting, literature, photography and traditional arts like painting, architecture, fashion etc. score or musical composition is also a fundamental element. Combining these effectively is what makes a great film. Film as entertainment but most importantly an artform in itself. Alien had these qualities as did many other Scott films. Prometheus does not. The literary aspect and the musical identity of the film were pig shit. I am seeing it again though. I am really trying to figure out what Scott is doing here. Superficially it's pretty and empty. But there has to be more to it. Maybe the directors cut bluray will have more scenes integrated to make sense of it. Maybe Scott was planning this all along. He likes controversy an to basically stir the shit. I think he's fucking with all of us.

  • June 9, 2012, 2:14 a.m. CST

    I feel bad

    by MajorBludd

    Ivesting time into this. It's a ruse or something. It's all a joke! Ridley is fucking around.

  • June 9, 2012, 2:21 a.m. CST

    Proof of concept

    by MajorBludd

    Maybe when Ridley got to check out the 3D camera and see the avatar tech first hand he got reckless - he wanted to shoot something for himself - a proof of concept - to master the new age. To show others that he's still got it in terms of technical prowess. Maybe he wasn't all that invested in sci-fi or especially the alienverse. Maybe he wanted to do a demo and used the derelict as a simple base to shoot some cool scenery. He may not have been invested in the story whatsoever - as long as the plot hit the beats, as long as his epic shots could be tied together. I wouldn't fault him for that. This sounds like the most reasonable explanation for how Prometheus turned out.

  • June 9, 2012, 2:30 a.m. CST

    hb_dad: it's not about the engineers and their motivatiosn

    by Jeespox

    The complaints against the film have got nothing to do with the engineers or the basic premise of the plot. It's all about the weakness of the so called plot and script, with dumb characters, the alien abortion etc. It's a total mess.

  • June 9, 2012, 2:41 a.m. CST

    David infects Holloway because....

    by Fortunesfool

    He's a Darwinist. David even asks him how far he would go to prove this. Picking him for a test in evolution would make sense in David's world view. It's one of the best ideas in the film, but like everything else, it lasts a couple of scenes and then is forgotten about.

  • June 9, 2012, 3:02 a.m. CST

    PROMETHEUS -- the final word:

    by jawsfan

    Had this been a stand-alone film with no connection to the "Alien" universe it would be a beautifully-shot but ultimately forgettable B-movie. It didn't suck as hard as the venomously negative reviews made me fear it would, but it was a FAR cry from the masterpiece it could have been. For all of its great production design, it is a deeply, deeply flawed movie. Had almost any other director made it like this it might have passed as decent. But we already know that Ridley Scott is capable of so much better, so it pains us to see this become one of his "lesser works". Too many flaws in it to enumerate here. I saw it in 2-D tonight and will probably go back in a few days to see it in 3-D for the sake of doing so. After that, I can't imagine ever being compelled to see it again.

  • June 9, 2012, 3:03 a.m. CST

    THE 'ENGINEER' AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FILM *IS* 'PROMETHEUS*

    by Socksniffer

    I really think the 'Prometheus' title is a very, very heavy hint... and a lot of people aren't getting it. The ship's name is just a red herring. As in Greek mythology - The ‘Engineer’ at the beginning of the film *is* ‘Prometheus’ doing what he did *against* the will of all the other ‘gods’. The one who brings life to Earth is on an opposite side from the ones trying to kill everyone on Earth - defiantly creating alternatives elsewhere (i.e. us) The one at the beginning is a rebel - , seeding Earth - the others Engineers were trying to repair what they see as a problem. i.e.: US. Until the outbreak – Mutation – or whatever killed them. Fifields mutation served to explain what had happened to the Engineers (pile of bodies in the ship) in that clearly they had been exposed to the canisters somehow and had either been mutated or facehugged etc. The storm – presumably a warning system triggered by the presence of other ‘invading’ lifeforms’ Weiland’s presence served to illustrate human mortality – and the quest for immortality ‘Touching God’ – Shaw’s dreams about death and faith are counterpoint to this theme. Again breadcrumbs…. Vickers “A king has his reign and then he dies – it is inevitable”. So – In my opinion the film is a lot smarter than most are giving it credit for. Yes it isn’t perfect and If I had to nitpick – the 3rd act was waaay to fast moving (missing footage DC?) and Shaw ‘recovered’ far too quickly (although one could argue that painkilling technology 100 years from now is far more advanced I suppose) The alien ship narrowly missing crushing Shaw by a few rocks was a bit of an ‘eh?’ moment also – and the end scene….well……Fox wants it franchise. Most of the other plot stuff was logical if you thought about it. It also occurs to me though – even though Ridley Scott hasn’t said so – that ‘Prometheus’ could be a re-boot/re-imagining of the whole ‘Alien’ franchise and indeed therefore not necessarily ‘canon’. So if you think of ‘Prometheus’ as ‘stand alone’ and not part of what’s gone before I think you’ll enjoy it more.

  • June 9, 2012, 3:10 a.m. CST

    Prometheus is NOT Alien, but its still good

    by Tristan

    As I've been telling people, Prometheus is an original story that is also a prequel. It is leading us to the events of Alien, but it will take a couple of films to get there. Don't go into it, expecting "Alien" or you maybe disappointed. It has "Alien" elements, but the story being told is the origins of the xenomorph, as well as mankind. The film is a tease. It raises questions that will be answered in the next film. People need to stop expecting this to be another "Alien". It's in the same universe, and has some familiar things, but think of it as an original, origin story. People have their opinions, but i think some of the reviews are way too harsh. See it and form your own opinion and just remember that this isn't another "Alien" film.

  • June 9, 2012, 3:31 a.m. CST

    reflecto

    by kwisatzhaderach

    The audience I saw it with were bored out of their minds and clearly didn't like the film when the lights came up.

  • June 9, 2012, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Ok, The Engineers created life on Earth.....

    by Mike Holdbrook

    ....and they visited Earth on a number of occasions through human history but not for the last 2100 years when man was evolving at an incredible rate...The Engineers did not check on human's advances..they had NO IDEA that humans would actually come looking for them! SHIT HIT THE FAN! Humans have become too advanced, The Engineer had to go back to Earth to wipe them all out....soooo...when Sahw gets to their home Planet, she may not find any Engineer's left! Thats why they haven't visited us for a while.....

  • June 9, 2012, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Lindelof is a fanboy, not a writer.

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Ironic that the fanboys would destroy the things they loved as children. But here we are.

  • June 9, 2012, 3:33 a.m. CST

    How anybody could think Prometheus was better than Alien 3

    by kwisatzhaderach

    is utterly beyond me.

  • June 9, 2012, 3:39 a.m. CST

    The title, Prometheus, is the clue

    by HornOrSilk

    There are TWO factions of the Engineers. That should be obvious at the beginning.

  • June 9, 2012, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Alien for the lowest common denominator

    by duluoztripping

    What a stupid fucking movie. Granted, the visuals were great and the 3D was pretty damn good. But a stupid fucking movie nonetheless. It's like "Alien" for stupid people. Now the dumb can go debate rehashed unoriginal Chariots of the Gods shit with their equally dumb friends and pretend they are deep thinkers. Such a fucking letdown, I was looking forward to this for months. A stupid Alien guy kills himself for no reason by drinking black goo even though he's super advanced and there are countless other ways to go about doing whatever he is doing, then somehow cave paintings show up for no reason all over the place pointing to five stars or planets or whatever even though this alien dude dissolved and never met anyone who could have drawn the paintings. Then a rich guy spends a trillion dollars to send a bunch of people to space, and of course hires a bunch of miscreants, because fuck a background check. Then the astronauts find some temple on a faraway planet because they conveniently land right next to it. They go explore a cave with super high tech navigating/mapping equipment but still manage to get lost. Some robot guy is super smart and inherently knows how to play back old VCR tapes of big elephant aliens running around for no reason. People die by doing stupid things. The robot guy fucks over one of the crew for no reason and infects him with some magic goo. Charlize Theron fucks Stringer Bell. Black people love Stephen Stills in the future. More people die doing stupid things. Some old rich guy in bad makeup appears doing his best Mr. Burns impression. Old rich guy wants to hang out with an alien for no discernible reason. More people die doing stupid things. Aliens don't love Stephen Stills but they do love playing the recorder and apparently their starships are controlled by a console that looks like a whack a mole game. alien space ship takes off and gets killed by 3 people who just decide they should all die, no biggie. Charlize Theron can't turn left and dies. The hero chick runs away from stuff and does a laugh/cry thing and gets saved by a giant tentacle.robot head gets saved and along with hero chick they totally fly off together in one of the most ridiculous scenes since Independence Day. Oh and there's an Alien real quick, happy? Stupid, stupid fucking movie. Don't worry about the nonsense incoherent plot, if you have the time to pore through old Ridley Scott interviews he answers all that shit somewhere so he didn't have to waste your time by putting any of it in his movie. This was almost worse than an Alien vs Predator movie, because of course that was going to suck, this should have been good.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:06 a.m. CST

    duluoztripping hit it so on the head it's not even funny.

    by Chris

    Especially with the AvP comment - THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER - "Charlize Theron can't turn left and dies." killed me.

  • http://www.mania.com/terminator-5-arnold_article_133287.html Hopefully without McG and by some miracle Cameron forgives and forgets fooling around with alien smurfs and directs. No more Christian Bale. He's perfect for Batman but too much an enraged vigilante and quickfix muscles. have to say it John Connor should be played by Fassbender who can do any role now.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:20 a.m. CST

    duluoztripping - five stars, excellent

    by catlettuce4

  • June 9, 2012, 4:26 a.m. CST

    Ridley Scott raped my childhood

    by Wheel99

    a total failure.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:34 a.m. CST

    Excellent, dulzotripping, you summed up. Meanwhile:

    by No Respectable Gentleman

    At Prometheus-movie.com they've blocked all bad reviews while providing one of their own: "PROMETHEUS is a well-rounded film with many plot twists and turns, which keep you guessing till the credits roll. The acting was great, the visuals were incredible, the plot was fantastic and the ending - well, it couldn't be better!" Nope, that's not sarcasm. By the way, duluozotripping, wait for some apologist to pick one flaw in your argument, inflate it into a straw man, and declare that you're a moron who wasn't paying attention.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:45 a.m. CST

    Saw it again yesterday

    by donkey_lasher

    Yes it is flawed. The captains sudden decision to commit suicide and his two man crew agreeing is a little odd. You can understand them doing it to save the human race, but it's a very quick decision. Too quick And the films sudden change of pace is a little jarring. But the post C section stuff works because it's future medicine. I can buy that. Other than that, I love it. It's EASILY better than Alien 3 simply because it dares to do it differently. Rotten Tomatos has certified it as fresh, and most reviews are favourable. Just look at these talkbacks and the level of discussion about the plot.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:47 a.m. CST

    Loved it

    by barnaby jones

  • June 9, 2012, 4:48 a.m. CST

    socksnifer....thank you

    by FlandersBum

    I've read literally over 100 comments, yours is about the only one that really made me think. Very cool, hadn't thought along those lines. Makes sense.

  • June 9, 2012, 5:03 a.m. CST

    The problem with socksniffer's theory ...

    by No Respectable Gentleman

    ... is that Ridley has said in interviews is that the guy is like an Aztec priest who gets a lot of glory for sacrificing himself to the cause. Socksniffer's theory is BETTER than what was intended (so it's not impossible the filmmakers might try to retro-engineer it that way). Really, this movie doesn't deserve any energy wasted on elaborate theories. It's schlock dressed up with a bit of wikipedia Greek mythology to con the impressionable.

  • June 9, 2012, 5:03 a.m. CST

    It will be interesting

    by Mr Kite

    to see how this movie is viewed in years to come. I remember the hype surrounding Alien when it first came out. The film was massive (I didn't see any reviews at the time I just remember the incredible buzz about the movie). It is quite rightly considered a classic. I can't see Prometheus achieving the same status although it has certainly caused a lot of heated debate on this site. Personally speaking I found it very dissapointing as I have mentioned in other posts. Rather that continue with the insults and name calling I think there should be more discussion about who should actually take the blame/credit for the way the film turned out. I have read posts blaming Ridley, Rothman and Lindelof etc, but who bears overall responsibilty. What do you guys think? Discuss but please no more bitching, we've done that, lets move on

  • June 9, 2012, 5:09 a.m. CST

    Another HUGE Plot hole regarding the space jokeys...

    by Frank

    So, on LV-223's military 'base' there were about 3 pyramid/chamber things, each containing chambers of biomech warfare gizmos and a doughnut ship at the top. In the 1st chamber there was a sleeping jockey in the doughnut ship. But what about the other chambers and their ships? Okay Shaw and David zip off in one of them offscreen at the end and apparently don't encounter a jockey, which doesn't make sense one bit. Surely each ship should have had it's own pilot in stasis, especially if the the place was indeed a military estabishment? Those ball tracing things never checked the other chambers anyway, so whose to say they were empty and lifeless. But of course in the last five minutes the film doesn't care anymore. Anyway this film gets more and more stupid the more you analyse it. I give up.

  • To make some passing allusion to seeking the meaning of life qualifies it as a great film. ? We go to meet our creators, they turn out to be homocidal nutters who had changed their mind and are going to destroy us. Why are do they want to do that --ooh the existentialism of it all ---pap. Putting a bit of philosophical wrapping around a shit film doesn't make it any better. Its not Alien --hmmm --- ship load of misfits land on alien planet, find abandoned alien spaceship, take something nasty back on board their ship-- I can see how there is a huge difference. And the stupidity of people !!! Taking your helmet off in an alien environment was just the first sign that this was written by an idiot. One of the dead crewman has returned and is standing outside the door--lets open it !!! And basically it feels like they've somewhat cheapened the Alien franchise by revealing that the Aliens were probably a genetically manufactured weapon gone wrong. Pretty much a failure on every count -- but it looks pretty.

  • June 9, 2012, 6:17 a.m. CST

    Quantize

    by Timmid

    Apologies if I've missed it but I don't see anything from you giving the detail of why you liked it. You're just attacking others, even those that give clear reasons why they don't like it. So why not do the mature thing and give your reasons for liking it. Then there can be a proper debate instead of name calling. Ta

  • June 9, 2012, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Lot of hate going around...

    by positivelySlime

    I loved Prometheus. Sorry. I agree with just about everything John Ary said. I did think the last shot was cool, though. I can understand why some don't like this film given that it does have some problems...but damn. I don't really see why everyone's shitting on it to THIS degree... Must be the hype. Or everyone still coming off the high of The Avengers. Everyone wanted their Alien prequel, and well...you got it. So why the fuck is everyone bitching about the last scene? How much more straightforward can you fucking get?

  • June 9, 2012, 6:39 a.m. CST

    It's AICN

    by donkey_lasher

    Unless a film can live up to the hype that fans generate, then it 'sucks' Some of the plotholes that people are whining about aren't even plotholes. This film is open to interpretation, and that is why I love it. Haters gotta hate

  • The movie will open huge, decline sharply in the following weeks, but make enough worldwide to be considered a success (much like ROBIN HOOD). And if enough critics and genre fans also give it a pass mark (as you seem so desperately want to do), then we'll NEVER see another good science fiction movie (which by my definition means a movie wth good science, apart from anything else). Your puerility doesn't faze me -- sorry -- as it only proves the paucity of your argument. Just another keyboard Rambo. Cue the response: I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK WHAT YOU THINK, YOU SHIT-EATING FUCKTARD.

  • June 9, 2012, 6:40 a.m. CST

    timmid

    by donkey_lasher

    You're over simplifying it.

  • June 9, 2012, 6:44 a.m. CST

    The only disappointment I had

    by donkey_lasher

    was that Ridley essentially proved fan fiction and comic books to be right. The Alien was engineered as a bioweapon by the space jockeys. Alien fans will have recognised the shape of the structures and seen the many previews and photos leaked and already know what the whole thing was about. Is still left a lot of questions unanswered though. We need a sequel to this. I think it would be good to have a spinoff featuring the Yutani Corporation reaching the planet a few years later and discovering the place swarming with Xenos.

  • June 9, 2012, 6:48 a.m. CST

    no respectable gentleman

    by donkey_lasher

    Disapproval? If this film had bombed, then we would see even less original sci fi and more remakes and reboots. At the mouth of madness comparisons aside, this was pretty fucking original. Sadly for you, this film will take enough at the box office to guarantee a sequel.

  • June 9, 2012, 6:50 a.m. CST

    donkey-lasher

    by Timmid

    My thoughts are that people are over complicating it to justify their love of the film. I'd be happy for you to explain what you liked about it. Look at Ary's review above and you'll see he acknowledges whats wrong with the film but says he still likes it, without giving any real indication of why he likes it. Yes I am moaning about it but I'm quite prepared for somebody to say why I'm wrong -- I'm just not seeing anything but attacks on other peoples opinion. David was probably the most complex piece in the film but it really felt like somewhere we've been before. So much of this film felt like that. It felt Like ideas from Contact, Alien,A.I. but done stupider

  • June 9, 2012, 7:03 a.m. CST

    astronut...

    by edmanger

    Please stop using excessive caps lock to get yourself noticed. It makes you look like an idiot.

  • June 9, 2012, 7:10 a.m. CST

    "Alien for the lowest common denominator"

    by HornOrSilk

    I'm sorry, Alien isn't that "high brow." Prometheus, while not great, adds more thought to it than Alien had. Alien was horror-sci-fi, good for that genre, but not really asking many questions. Prometheus asks questions and uses all kinds of mythic lore which I think went over most of the people's heads. It's so far above them they think it is "low." I understood what was going on for the most part (though there are things left unanswered-- what exactly was David up to being one of them -- but this seems to be because this is 1/2 of the story). I didn't think it was a great film, nor a terrible film. But all the comments saying how great Alien was just really show they don't get that Alien is the movie for the lowest common denominator...

  • June 9, 2012, 7:21 a.m. CST

    So, for the record

    by HornOrSilk

    There are at least two factions of the Engineers. One seems interested in their creation, the other fearful/hateful of them when their creation is enlightened. Zeus and Prometheus. Prometheus sacrificed himself to make sure humanity can advance (of course, we don't fully know these Engineers to know how they die; what we think to be their death could really be something else going on; the creatures could all be made of out their own cells, and their consciousness directs the evolution of xenomorphs until the Engineer form is restored). We have David, a robot, acting odd. What exactly is his motive. He is similar to HAL, and seems to be setting the stage for the destruction of the humans. Why did he do that? What exactly did he know? (Reproduction of the Engineer theory here; those jars filled with goo are somewhat like Egyptian canoptic jars, but what if they are the building blocks to recreate an Engineer, to bring it back to life? And David knew that? His mission was to find a live one to talk to, so that would explain what he was doing if this is the case, otherwise, something else is there). We have Elizabeth Shaw (A Doctor Who name, and I think, there is a hint of some Doctor Who connection here, with her character being somewhat based upon Liz Shaw; heck, Liz saw the Giant Squid aka Nestene Consciousness in her first story... coincidence? Probably not), someone who has faith... but it is an ambiguous faith. She is trying to find answers. She is also, in a way, the new Ripley). We know Liz and David enter a new ship. People asked, but what about the sleeping giant? Well, David didn't wake him up this time. Simple really. So now we have seen two factions of Engineers, and somehow the goo is connected to the Aliens, we still have many questions, like what are the factions of the Engineers. What connection is there between their body and the xenomorph. What exactly was planned for Earth. This is where we now stand.

  • June 9, 2012, 7:30 a.m. CST

    @timmid

    by positivelySlime

    ...this is coming from someone who enjoyed it... It wasn't a GREAT film by any means (it seems like a lot of people wanted nothing short of that, hence the anger) but a GOOD one. I'm satisfied with it and wouldn't mind seeing it again next week. Here's what I liked about it... I thought the opening scene was really cool. I liked the Engineers/Space Jockeys. They're neat. The special effects throughout the entire film were fantastic. I think we can all agree on that. I'm thrilled that this is an Alien prequel (I don't give a fuck what anyone says...IT IS a prequel) and while it doesn't tie into the series quite as much as I would have liked, I did like the little references and nuances that were scattered all throughout. I also liked our main characters. I thought Repace's character was a strong point, as were Theron's and Fassbender's. Everyone else was pretty much fodder. I expected as much. I won't get into all the philosophical talk because that's what no one seems to agree on. I found it interesting. It wasn't preachy, either. The film left a lot of unanswered questions as well...that's the other thing that people are sore about. With the way the film ended, our survivor isn't any closer to the facts than we are. Sure, they could have explained every little thing, but I imagine people would bitch about that, too. The irony of the film is that its about mankind's questions pertaining to their origins...and these are questions that can't ever be fully answered...unless you want a Space Jockey to sit down with the crew over coffee and explain every last little detail to them. Even still...they'd want more. So we're in the dark about all of this as much as our characters. If you didn't like the movie, cool. I think a lot of people here on the talkbacks just didn't get what they wanted. That or they're just confused about the story. I saw it with my cousin yesterday and he didn't much care for it either and we have very similar tastes, so its obviously not everyone's bag of chips. When the credits started I knew I had seen a good film and didn't have an automatic reaction of "that sucked!" like so many people seem to have. I was very satisfied with the film because it WASN'T what I was expecting and demands repeat viewings. I think it will get better over time with a lot of people. It really was a lot to take in. Too much hype and too much given away in the trailers (we all knew the ship was gonna fucking crash and that was the climax of the whole damn movie!) and I think that has hurt it a little. It DOES have its share of flaws (not denying that at all). For the record, I liked the last shot. Just wish that it hadn't been the last shot...should have edited that part in before we saw the 2nd ship blasting off...that would have been a better ending. So there's why I liked it. Take it as you will.

  • June 9, 2012, 7:33 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk

    by Timmid

    Sorry mate but we've been down this road with you before where you throw in connections to every bit of dross you might have read or seen. A link to Doctor Who being a prime example of this silliness. Its not that complicated , stop trying to read in more than is there. Honest to God if I ever make a film, no matter how bad and no matter the subject, I'll just stick a few Greek artifacts in the background, leave a replica of Han Solos blaster on a table and have Robert Powell walk through the background in full Jesus attire. I'd be acclaimed as a genius by people like you.

  • June 9, 2012, 7:46 a.m. CST

    I think more people would have enjoyed it if

    by HornOrSilk

    One person faced off against the alien-creature in the form we saw at the end.

  • June 9, 2012, 7:47 a.m. CST

    @positivelyslime

    by Timmid

    Thanks Agree on the special effects and the visuals. Repace was fine (although there was just a bit too much of a hint of Ripley for me). Fassbender great although it did feel like a rip on A.I for me. Theron...hmm, I thought they struggled to get a handle on just what the heck she was about and the piece on her being daddy's little girl didn't help --who the hells looking after Weyland ? The philosophy I thought people are over-blowing and this for me is where the film falls down . Essentially a load of people go looking for the meaning of life, they don't find it, they all die except one, who carries on looking. Hmmm. I can buy that as a plot if the journey is interesting but I don't really feel there was any change for the characters from scene 1 to the end. Shaw turned out to be a fighter ( as did Ripley before/after her) but other than that nothing. So, for me, we have a film that essentially goes nowhere, except to explain where the alien in "Alien" came from and to do a quick slaughter of the crew using early versions of said alien. Meh

  • June 9, 2012, 7:49 a.m. CST

    timmid

    by HornOrSilk

    Do you know Scott's connection to Doctor Who? He was set to work on the series at one time. He knows the show and the score. To say it isn't a nod to Doctor Who, when we find similar Liz Shaws facing a giant god-like squid creature (with Doctor Who itself being a rehash of Quatermass, which borrowed from the Lovecraft mentality) is like saying the title Prometheus isn't about the Greek myth.

  • June 9, 2012, 7:50 a.m. CST

    nb @positivelyslime

    by Timmid

    I seem to be the only person that liked the engineer v alien bit at the end. Whats an interesting question, bearing in mind he didn't go down easily, is how they were beaten by this stuff in the first place. Another plot hole or an opportunity missed to haver told a cracking Frankenstein story.

  • June 9, 2012, 7:51 a.m. CST

    timmid oh and more importantly

    by HornOrSilk

    Your argument is nonsense. No one said this is a work of genius (all I said is it is more high brow than Alien, which isn't that hard to be, when one realizes Aliens is just a basic horror film in space). I said the movie itself wasn't good or bad - so again, you seem to be more interested in pulling down the film than anything else, and it makes me wonder, what kind of loser does that?

  • June 9, 2012, 7:52 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk

    by Timmid

    Talk about grasping. Give it up . I'm not into geek speculation and fan fiction tripe. Why don't you go away and see if you can connect it to Trek as well.

  • June 9, 2012, 7:52 a.m. CST

    just like ruining Darth Vader

    by UltraTron

  • June 9, 2012, 7:52 a.m. CST

    less is always more folks

    by UltraTron

  • June 9, 2012, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Ebert likes it because...

    by JadedCynic

    The movie didn't dare to answer its own questions, which would conflict with his own devout Catholic dogma. Ebert has often based his opinions with deference to his faith, especially in exorcism-related movies, but also anything else where religion comes into play. I think he liked it because it didn't challenge his religion; however, a film about ancient aliens seeding life on earth, playing the roles of both creator and destructor SHOULD challenge religion.

  • June 9, 2012, 7:53 a.m. CST

    timmid it is clear you have problems with reading comprehension

    by HornOrSilk

    Did I say it is the same character and it is tying in the story to Doctor Who? NO. I said it was a nod to Doctor Who. Do you know what that means?

  • June 9, 2012, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Hornorsilk

    by Timmid

    Yes I understand a nod. I also understand that you are trying to paint stuff in here to say that there are things that have gone over peoples heads. That you of course get. Sheesh !!

  • June 9, 2012, 8:03 a.m. CST

    am I the first one to call it Promethatard?

    by UltraTron

  • June 9, 2012, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Anyway Hornorsilk

    by Timmid

    I'm leery of getting into links with Doctor Who with you. Next thing we'll be back to "Amy Pond is a prostitute who a should burn in hell..etc etc". And we all know how that bit of fruit-cakery nonsense went for you.

  • June 9, 2012, 8:10 a.m. CST

    and because films like this don't come round very often.

    by Chapeau

    you obviously don't watch the SY-FY Channel. Damon, must of raided, 'THE ASYLUM's' vault, and picked up this gem. No-one can justify the laziness of the script. ( 2 crewmen stranded in Alien cave for the night. you know what, forget observing their safety, lets fuck)... Geez, Galaxy Quest got more smarts than this film!!! I think we are all in agreement that the film is visually stunning, but it's lacking. But so is a VIVID Girl, some say they too lack depth, but i know which one i'd rather get fucked over by......

  • June 9, 2012, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Kubrick vs. Scott

    by Octaveaeon

    Two big themes - the search for what instigated human evolution and what does it mean to create sentient life - were better tackled by Kubrick in 2001 and A.I. (which Spielberg completely adapted from the script Kubrick had completed). There is absolutely nothing in Prometheus that even comes close to the depths explored or simply suggested in those movies. It makes sense, since Kubrick was foremost an artist who used the medium of film to explore themes that he felt were fundamental to the question of human nature. He took his time in shaping the story, and when he collaborated with scriptwriters, or anybody else for that matter, he pushed them hard into committing to that process. He did not treat movies as simple entertainment. He saw them as vessels of ideas that mirror human nature. More importantly, he understood that ideas have consequences. He saw the holocaust as proof of how easily people can be misguided by ideas, and how art can be usurped to undermine norms that we thought could withstand such irrational attacks. Maybe some will think I'm being unfair in comparing Scott to Kubrick in such a way, but Scott brought this upon himself by pretending to explore such themes without conviction, or what is perhaps worse, in such a cynical way. I did not go to this movie hoping for an Alien prequel. I was hoping to see an interesting movie that actually explores what may go wrong when we are given the opportunity to answer one of life's fundamental questions. I would have been more than happy if they'd never even mentioned Alien. Unfortunately Scott did not really know what he wanted, and then tried to place the burden of proof on an audience that was told one thing while simultaneously presented something else by the very marketing campaign that they created. That's a terrible way to make movies, or anything for that matter. Prometheus is a perfect example of Hollywood at its worst. An expensive and shiny product made for the wrong reasons. More than anything it's a complete waste of valuable resources. Well, not completely, because there's obviously a lot of talent in display here. Unfortunately just as much, if not more, is wasted. I know I wasted my time and money watching it. Scott should stop and think before he starts work on any of those projects he's got planned. He should remember what it took to get to the position he is now in, and try somehow to recreate some of those limitations that every young and hungry artist needs in order to excel. Finally, he should also keep in mind that just because he can doesn't mean he should. I'm thinking of Bladerunner here...

  • June 9, 2012, 8:17 a.m. CST

    octaveaeon

    by Timmid

    I don't think you are being unfair and agree that Scott brought it on himself. Essentially we have a very stupid Alien movie dressed up in pretensions of being something more meaningful and the film delivered on neither count for me.

  • June 9, 2012, 8:23 a.m. CST

    The only thing highbrow about Alien

    by donkey_lasher

    Was Gigers influence. The rest is just a slasher horror in space. One point - When I saw the theatrical version of Alien, I remember feeling haunted when the crew walked away from the space jokey, as there was something in it's eyes, or eye sockets. Another set of eyes perhaps? I'm so glad that Prometheus didn't portray them as Elephant Men like in the comics.

  • June 9, 2012, 8:24 a.m. CST

    What should Scott pause for thought

    by Timmid

    In a really big fun, whizz bang goofoff like The Avengers there was more depth in the Thor/Loki relationship and more depth to the Cap and David Banner characters than exists in this philosophical masterpiece. Who'd a thunk it ?

  • June 9, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST

    pretensions of being something more meaningful.

    by donkey_lasher

    Then how can you explain the current buzz and discussion about it. I think Scott has triumphed in that respect. Flawed film or not.

  • June 9, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST

    that was - "What should give Scott pause for thought"

    by Timmid

  • June 9, 2012, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Banner was the worst thing about Avengers

    by donkey_lasher

    Seriously I loved the film, but Norton could have done a better job. Ruffalo mumbled his way through the film. I could hardly understand what he was saying sometimes.

  • June 9, 2012, 8:31 a.m. CST

    donkey-lasher

    by Timmid

    Buzz -- its interesting that the rating on Rotten Tomatoes has it 2% less than Superman Returns. And what a shit fest that was. I think you are never on a loser when you pretend you have done something clever. ( A bit like the pile of bricks in the Tate museum.) You will always have pseuds ready to jump on the band-wagon to agree with this because it makes them look clever as well. Unfortunately real people just see its a pile of bricks.

  • June 9, 2012, 8:34 a.m. CST

    sith17 haha

    by JAMF

    the asylum yeah that's exactly what it feels like. a fucking asylum knock-off. if it wasn't for the name "ridley scott" and some of the 'stars' in this film (rapace, god knows why though / fassbender, flavour of the month since he got his cock out) AND because of all the blatant alien nods, then noone would give two craps about it.

  • June 9, 2012, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Remember all the arguing over the possible PG13 rating?

    by Logan_1973

    Clearly we should have been concerned about other things regarding this film.

  • June 9, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    I really do love Prometheus the same way I love evil dead

    by UltraTron

  • June 9, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Loved this movie!

    by Anirban

    Just saw Prometheus last night, with 5 other friends. We all loved this movie! The visuals in this movie, are as good as anything I have EVER seen on the big screen. That alone is worth the price of admission. Fassbender steals every scene in this movie. He will probably get nominated at the end of the year. Just the right amount of creepy. Character development. Ok so they have 17 people in the crew, and people are complaining that there is no character development. WTF? Think back to Alien. I don't remember anyone being developed there. Most of them only had a few lines the entire movie! In Alien, they had a guy that just kept asking for bonuses. Is that developing character? I mean really I think with the 17 people they had in Prometheus they did fine. Of course they do stupid things, that is what people do in sci fi horror movies! I don't feel like this movie is rushed. Sure they didn't need that extra scene at the end, but I and everyone else that left the theater seemed to be ok with it. Looking forward to the next one. p.s. I don't like Lindelof either. I thought his ending to LOST was utter bullshit. But I think most of the questions I had in this movie, were answered.

  • June 9, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Just a crazy ass movie

    by UltraTron

  • June 9, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    EXPLANATION OF MONSTERS

    by Prometheus_VaJayJay_snake

    So, I read an interview with Ridley where he clearly states that the monster in the film takes on four forms. The monster clearly being the black goo. First form--goo. Second form--direct mutations (vagina snakes, Holloway, geologist) Third form--huggers/egg implanters (Shaw's squid hugger) Fourth form--Xenomorph Now, we can debate whether the goo was engineered to mutate to a 2nd and 3rd stage hugger and xeno, or whether it's the power of life and DNA reconfiguration that ultimately produce the perfect organism. But clearly, the Engineers know the apocalyptic power of the goo and are willing to harness it.

  • June 9, 2012, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Rotten Tomatos

    by donkey_lasher

    Gives Alien 3 40%, yet people on here will have you believe Prometheus is the worse. Blade Runner was panned when it was released, and if Rotten Tomatos was around then, I wonder what its early rating would have been. Quite a lot of people liked Superman Returns as well. Your opinion of that movie doesn't mean that it is bad does it?

  • June 9, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    donkey-lasher

    by Timmid

    SR -- no you're right -- its just my opinion-- its also just my opinion on Prometheus. I'm always open to the other side of the argument but am struggling to get any coherent sense of whats really worthwhile about this film other than the visuals.

  • June 9, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    ultratron

    by donkey_lasher

    I think people were expecting the Newborn or something.......

  • June 9, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Donkey Tomatoes

    by UltraTron

  • June 9, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST

    That just sounds right

    by UltraTron

  • June 9, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST

    and if further proof is needed...

    by donkey_lasher

    ..that Rotten Tomatos is a little fucked up. I just looked at ratings for 1992 Chaplin is rated at just 62% two percent below Basic Instinct Bram Stokers Dracula is at 80%, which was panned on release.

  • Shit to like : 1. Design and effects up the wazoo (every single whining bitch acknowledges this then immediately ignores it...) 2. Totally fucking solid lead performances by Rapace and Fassbender 3.At least 3 really solid superb action sequences...HELLO! people here wet their nappies of lesser films 4.An imperfect narrative that DOES hold together and gives just as much tantalising mystery as the original Alien.. shit i honestly could go on and on. As someone who saw Alien in the cinema the year it came out I dragged NONE of that shit into the theatre with me and if anything all the whining of the Europeans who saw it first lowered my expectations... It far exceeded them and im planning on seeing it a 3rd time in IMAX.

  • June 9, 2012, 9:13 a.m. CST

    The movie gets an A+ on Donkey Tomatoes

    by UltraTron

  • June 9, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST

    timmid now i know you are a troll

    by HornOrSilk

  • June 9, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Prometheus has more thought to it than Alien

    by HornOrSilk

    But Alien is more fun in the traditional way. Prometheus is attempting something more, and I appreciate that aspect of the story. The pacing is wrong - and there just needs to be a bit more for people to pick up on to "get" the whole story. Even Lovecraft more or less gave a lot of explanation for his story.... but, I think the issue is Scott is not sure where he wants go with this so left himself open for the sequel. Nonetheless, I think it is clear there is more than one group of the Engineers -- probably one group mere "experimenters" running experiments, with as much concern as humans have with robots (David clearly has some emotions and he clearly is upset at his status in relation to humanity) -- this group representing science without morality; another group, a rebel group, has concerns -- consider them the PETA group. PETA is the good guys here...

  • June 9, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    My major issue with the story

    by I am not a number

    There just isn't enough detail there to provide any coherent theory about the big questions that didn't get answered. It's like the movie is more interested in presenting mysteries that will get you coming back for the next dozen movies, than it is in providing a more self contained narrative - much like LOST. In short,, it feels like they opted not to tell a whole story just for the sake of stretching it out. I would have been a lot happier with the movie if they had given me a few more details to glom onto. And I'm not even talking about the issue of why they want to kill us - I'm ok with that being left mysterious. How about why they seemingly abandoned Earth to the life they created here? How long were they on Earth (it seems the Engineer in the beginning is seeding the first life on the planet yet cavemen have drawings of the star system, so they were around for quite a while it seems)? Why did they not kill life on the planet when they were still here? I had initially considered that the Engineers left the star system pictures deliberately. If humanity ever developed to a point where it could travel to the stars and find them, this way they would become aware of it and kill the humans because they demonstrated that they were now advanced enough to become a threat to the Engineer race (tying this to David's line about wanting to see your parents/creators die). However, this still leaves the question of why they'd go to all that trouble in the first place if they were capable of traveling to Earth on their own to see for themselves. The only thing the movie seems to establish is that the Engineers on LV 223 want to kill humanity and that they have some crazy biological weapons. I have a lot of other issues, though I do feel it may improve with a second viewing. I'm just not prepared to pay theater-going prices to do so.

  • June 9, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST

    The KKK's wet dream

    by Fing Fang Foom

    So the Space Jockey race (humanity's father?) is a giant, super muscular, BLEACH WHITE ultra pure guy? Are u kidding me? This the Aryan Nation Nazi SS fantasy. Think about it. Stupid, ignorant, poorly designed and not thought well at all.

  • He's a good director but he's every bit as fallible as Spielberg, especially now that they're both doddering into senescence. They've both made plenty of shit.

  • June 9, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Incompetent crew is realistic!

    by Holybeatdown

    I applaud this film for trying to be different from it's source material. I believe that the majority of these "plot holes" are not inconsistencies but the sheer disbelief the audience is expressing at how blatantly incompetent the crew of Prometheus is. The majority of the crew was there for a paycheck and the mission was 100% undisclosed until they reached the planet. That's why it's a shit show of randomness and reactionary failure on each character's part. There's not a single crew member on board equipped for meeting extraterrestrial life, the bastard Weyland relied on his Android to do 100 % of the mission for him while the crew remained expendable. He set the whole thing up to try and live forever or talk to God. A desperate plea of a selfish old man, the entire expedition was doomed from the start, no thought was put into the crew selection whatsoever! Most of the crew were not even slightly prepared for any of what they went through in the film, which makes perfect sense if you parallel it with the Weyland-Yutani corporation in the original A L I E N. They were hiding everything from the crew to steal alien life for their bio-weapons division. There are no concrete plot holes in this film, just realize that Prometheus has a shitty crew of shitty people that were in way over their heads and suddenly you realize, this is a very entertaining film with fantastic visuals and a plot that regardless of pacing will make you wonder about the mysteries and potential horrors of the universe. TL:DR In my opinion, Ridley accomplished his mission in creating a 2001 / A L I E N hybrid and I for one thoroughly enjoyed his creation, all of the plot holes are the disbelief of how incompetent the crew of Prometheus was, many of the detractors of this film may be overestimating what a crew should be like in every science fiction film, this isn't the crew of the Enterprise, it's a bunch of yes men out for a paycheck, and they get more than they bargained for! :P

  • June 9, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    "There'll be no home to go back to!"

    by Laserhead

    Really? Why? No surface-to-air missiles on earth in the future? Cause the goddamn ship seemed to blow up pretty easy... maybe, just maybe, it didn't need everyone to sacrifice their lives and ticket home on a hunch. Sure you don't wanna just relay a message to Earth to shoot that fuck out the sky if it appears? Sure you don't wanna head back to Earth and tell your species to fortify against these hostiles? Nah.

  • June 9, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Ridley hasn't made a good movie in a long, long time

    by Laserhead

    And this doesn't change that. A brilliant eye isn't much use if you don't know a good story from a bad.

  • June 9, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST

    I want the Space Weezer tshirt Space Stringer Bell is wearing.

    by Sean McArdle

    Oh and SPACE ABORTION!

  • June 9, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Engineers: both Vorlon and Shadow

    by Chowwander

    Saw it last night in 3D. Cavalorn's article http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1 brings up many intriguing--and likely close to the mark--ideas. No coincidence on the 2000 year thing, but the question is, which side were the Engineers on related to that? Meanwhile the Engineers reminded me of Babylon 5's Vorlons and Shadows and their machinations (also see the Lensman series B5 was inspired by) toward the younger races. Shadows were agents of chaos, instigating/encouraging war; Vorlons were agents of order. But they both wanted to be recognized as rulers, even gods (Kosh being a benevolent one). It would be nice to see conflict between Engineers, those who wanted us to advance, versus those who want destruction. Many thoughts here. Oh, and having worked with many folks in science, there are some pretty stupid behaviors out there (unfortunately some I was exposed to--exposed by others in every sense of the word *cough* P-32, beta mercaptoethanol *cough*) so those 2 poor guys in the chamber (one of whom was smoking weed in his helmet, lest that be overlooked--maybe they both were ultimately) weren't entirely unbelievable. Anyway, to sum, I am starting to think like Stephen Hawking--if someone is out there, we may not want them to find us.

  • June 9, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST

    I've written the sequel - SPOILERS

    by TheTeethgrinder

    Shaw and David's donut ship lands on LV-426. Shaw has borrowed an Engineer's spacesuit for protection from the elements during flight etc. It fits a little large but you gotta do what you gotta do. Shaw gets facefucked by Vagina Worm, born of release of Goo on her donut ship. Alien Queen chestbursts out of Shaw as she sits in pilot's chair. Alien Queen goes on egg-laying frenzy around the ship. Years later, the whole mess is stumbled upon by the unfortunate Nostromo crew. Fassbender gets Oscar for 'Best Disembodied Role'. Remember, you read it here first!

  • June 9, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST

    chowwander -- I thought the same, to some degree

    by HornOrSilk

    Though I didn't put it in those words because I don't think many here would get the reference. Yet, there is an element of this. But I think the difference is that the Shadows had _some_ care for what they were doing: they thought the destruction was for the good of those they engage. Here, I got the sense that the "Shadow" group just didn't give a damn; it was an experiment, and they didn't want the experiment to get out of hand.

  • June 9, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Ultratron - The Difference is the characters!

    by 5secondfuse

    Aside from David and Vickers and Fassbender and Theron respectively, Prometheus's characters and the actors who played them are totally miscast. It's a MASSIVE problem among others in Prometheus. The characters and their actions just don't seem real or logical. You get David and Vickers but NOBODY ELSE. Koto is superb as Parker and him babbling about 'The Bonus Situation' felt real to the character he played. Him and Brett were the real grease monkeys of the ship, they did all the dirty work and got paid less than there co-workers. Yet Parker and Brett were integral to the ship. He just wants more money for now being asked to take part in an extra job he's not qualified for or bothered about. He just wants more $$$$$. He's also speaking up for his more laid back buddy Brett. It's a culmilation of several scenes where Parker questions his place on the ship and why him and Brett aren't treated fairly. In fact there better and more believable scenes than anything in Prometheus. A great character talking from the heart about a believable situation. Simple as that Ultratron!

  • June 9, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Who cares about the 'mythology'?

    by Laserhead

    It's incoherent because Lindelof has never had a complete idea, only the first part of an idea. Character behavior, pacing, and everything else is shit. Scott doesn't know a good script from shit, judging by his output the last two decades.

  • June 9, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST

    "I... LOVE... rocks!"

    by Laserhead

    The new "Gimme back my son!"

  • June 9, 2012, 11 a.m. CST

    @ Shermdog

    by Jest Yre

    Clearly point this out? So I guess you CLEARLY missed the giant f*cking face hugger at the end of the movie? Or the alien popping out of the Engineer's chest? Clearly...you didn't watch the movie before posting.

  • The horror elements seemed pandering and shoehorned in. The metaphysical stuff seemed underdeveloped. It was interesting, beautiful and ambitious. But it was also flat-footed and dramatically inert. The right brain and left brain wrestled but neither won in the end. It wanted to be vague, mysterious and oblique (like 2001) but it also wanted to explain things in a logical way. A noble failure, I'd say.

  • June 9, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Here's what's wrong with it.

    by jawsfan

    If I had to poke at specifics I'd say the film's score (with the main themes played with horns instead of strings) sounds more like it should fit in a movie about the Civil War or maybe a moment or two from "Apollo 13" than this film. The score didn't complement the film's overall tone. And I agree that the character development of the secondary and other minor characters was very poor, poor the the point that some characters probably should have been eliminated altogether rather than giving them a cute line or two of dialogue just for the sake of giving it to them. Films like this do not benefit from comic relief. It undermines the tone.

  • June 9, 2012, 11:11 a.m. CST

    "A bit like the pile of bricks in the Tate museum"

    by Mr Kite

    Love that analogy timmid. Sums the movie up perfectly.

  • I recently watched Planet of the Vampires, so I'm good there. Aside from anything else (and Prometheus is making me think of MANY things), any film that inspires me to go and seek out other materials that may have influenced it, to my mind, has succeeded over most of the other rubbish being mass-produced out there.

  • June 9, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Hornersilk, re: Shadows

    by Chowwander

    Yes, the Shadows seem pretty invested in their "pups" so to speak...to make them (us) weapons. Against the Vorlons. We don't know if there is any other motivation for the Engineers yet. If they have another, equally powerful enemy, with a different agenda than theirs. It would be geekout awesome-sauce if Shaw and David came across someone else out there, though, although since they are in an Engineer ship, that could go badly! There is room for epic fun here. I hope we see it.

  • June 9, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    loved it

    by wrx

    fuck it. i enjoyed it, thought it was beautiful. Had some unanswered questions, enjoyable performances from most. score unremarkable but ok. best 3d i've seen since avatar

  • Vs the Shadows. But maybe there are many factions?

  • June 9, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST

    For those who like this kind of movie..and you have not seen it

    by HornOrSilk

    You MUST see Quatermass as the Pit (the inspiration for The Daemons). Both the TV and Movie versions are good.

  • June 9, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Hornorsilk, thank you!

    by Chowwander

    Thank you for the recommendation...must take a look! Well, I think it would be quite plausible for there to be more than one faction. These Engineers don't seem to be the Borg. Or more than one major player out there, another species. Right now we simply don't know enough, but there are many possibilities and it's fun to speculate!

  • June 9, 2012, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Prometheus does NOT 'have more thought to it than Alien'.

    by Brian Hopper

    That is ridiculous. Alien, among its 100 other virtues, is really REALLY well written. There are like eight things going on at once in that movie... personality conflict... socio-economic and gender politics... psycho-sexual stuff... questions of duty to mission, company and fellow human beings... existential questions... and on and on. Trying to rundown Alien as a way of building up Prometheus is not gonna work.

  • June 9, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST

    You can sum up Prometheus's problems in two words: bad writing.

    by Brian Hopper

  • June 9, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST

    The engineer was trying to save shaw, not kill her..

    by ckhappyanswer

    They have created life on earth and visited and like to be worshiped. The awakened engineer never attacked shaw. He destroyed the 'soul-less robot' David, and killed the faithless.. But shaw ran away.. But in the end he caught up with her, but was attacked by the squid before he could reward her faith..

  • June 9, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Like to be Charleeze throne.

    by UltraTron

  • June 9, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST

    You can see Quatermass and the Pit on google video!

    by HornOrSilk

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3434833733223827719 One will easily see how this relates to Prometheus once one has seen both.

  • June 9, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Charlize's Throne n shit

    by UltraTron

  • June 9, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Engineers wanting to destroy earth makes sense..

    by ckhappyanswer

    Ever heard of the story of Noah's ark?.. I gather they changed their minds 2000 years ago when they discovered one good man, Jesus. As god promised lot he would save sodom and goromah if there was one good man..

  • June 9, 2012, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Those who liked the film apparently haven't heard...

    by kells

    ...that hating on stuff on online discussion forums is way fucking cool and makes you way fucking cooler than everyone else. Plus, that rush people get when they see their way fucking cool hating in print online feels way fucking cool. So, to recap: hating =way fucking cool. Not hating = way not fucking cool. Be way fucking cool! Jump on the hating bandwagon of amateur film critic haters! The fact that professional film critics don't hate the film only confirms it! Because professional film critics who actually know what they're talking about AREN'T way fucking cool! And neither are you if you listen to them! LISTEN TO US! PLEASE, LISTEN TO US HATING ON IT! SOMEONE GOD PLEASE LISTEN TO US AND AGREE WITH US AND VALIDATE OUR WAY FUCKING COOL EXISTENCE! PLEASSSSSEEEEEE!!!!!! By the way...my seething sarcasm makes me way fucking cool. And if you disagree, you're not way fucking cool.

  • June 9, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST

    These forums make ME want to destroy the earth.

    by kells

  • Scary. But you can't argue with the infatuated.

  • June 9, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Much better than I'd expected

    by animatronicmojo

    Glad I went in with low expectations, because I was thoroughly entertained. The film was smarter, prettier, and campier than I'd been led to believe by those who hated it outright. The last shot did seem kind of cheep to me, yet I enjoyed it for it as cheesy b-movie horror fun- kind of like something from an early Raimi film. Still, I think it was a necessary plot point to show that humans and the genetically identical "Engineers" are hosts to the Xenomorph. As others have stated, the Engineers are likely not the apex of evolution, but, like their suits, bio-mechanoids doing the bidding of a higher power. Perhaps we humans were made in their image to merely serve as hosts for the Xenomorphs. The Engineer in the prologue is clearly sacrificing himself in a religious rite of passage. From the temple, and the symbols on the surface of the goo in the beginning, we see that these are deeply religious people, whose science and reason for being are one in the same with their faith- something Shaw and Holloway were seeking their whole lives- each in their own way, from the perspectives of a believer and an athiest- meaning to their existence. The Alien Queen statue in the head temple, with the green crystal pointing to her- is troubling. Is the Xenomorph queen the ultimate power, or the ultimate expression of biological life to the true creators? For what purpose? These are questions I look forward to finding out in the sequels, which the HAVE TO MAKE NOW! I'm not a huge fan of Ridley Scott's movies, overall, but I, for one, am glad he made another science fiction film, and I hope he makes at least three or four more.

  • June 9, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Seems like the arguments against the movie

    by kolchak

    have rapidly deteriorated to "these critics didn't like it." <br/> <br/> Either form a coherent argument or shut up.

  • June 9, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    THE SQUID BABY AND PLOT MECHANICS

    by No Respectable Gentleman

    Narratively, the whole movie is geared around the squid baby. It's as if the filmmakers came up with the C-section scene, and the squid-killing-the-Engineer ending, and decided that both were so good that they trumped anything in the original film and everything else was secondary. It's the reason we get: *A boyfriend for Shaw (literally just a cock with a heartbeat). *The clunky scene where Shaw examines the med-pod (and the med-pod in the first place). *The scene in which David examines the black goo, holds it up on his finger and say, "Big things have small begnnings" (a line from LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, by the way -- a nice touch, but here its only purpose is to explain what he's going to do with it). *The scene in which Shaw's boyfriend, having just been involved in the greatest discovery in the history of humankind, gets drunk, self-pitying and abrasive. So that David has an excuse -- and a reason -- to slip the black goo into his drink. *The clunky scene in which Shaw's boyfriend becomes suddenly romantic, says something about the engineers being great because they created, leading to Shaw suddenly acting like a pouty twelve year old (almost a tear in her eye): "But I can't create ...!" Which in turn leads to a pity fuck. A "neat" way of impregnating her and explaining why a pregnancy would be instantly abnormal. *The clunky scene in which David, examining her, reveals to her that she's got an abnormal fetus inside her (even though he surely would have kept such information to himself, and in fact conceals from her the imaging). *The clunky scene in which Shaw clobbers the two medics, who conveniently disappear for a couple of scenes before reappearing (one at least) with Weyland, without registering any disapproval or curiosity about Shaw's presence. *The surgery itself. Note the med-pod is geared only for a male(!), because otherwise Shaw would be able to program a genuine abortion, and that would be too much for this film (penetration of the vagina itself would be too much). In fact, Shaw doesn't call it an abortion, but a caesarean . *The fact that Shaw doesn't kill the squid, but leaves it growing at an accelerated rate for the final scene. *The fact that Shaw recovers and joins the expedition to the temple without being subdued or turned away by anybody, or collapsing for that matter (she has to be off the ship, which is fated for destruction). *The fact that Vickers is ejected separately from the lifeboat, so that she can get killed off by the falling alien ship without damaging the squid baby. *The fact that everyone else dies for that matter. The fact that the captain and his crew so readily become kamikazes (and the fact that it's the captain who inexplicably spouts the line about the purpose of the engineers' base .. so that he can immediately accept Shaw's shouted line about the danger to earth). *The fact that David is inexplicably able to divine the space jokey's intentions and call Shaw from the crashed ship to tell her the space jockey is coming after her (without a mask). So that Shaw can spring open the surgery door at exactly the right moment (shouting "DDIIIIEEEE!") and the giant squid can kill off the space jockey. Yep, thought-provoking science fiction.

  • June 9, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Re : totalreality

    by Real Deal

    " Sorry - no sequels " Trollin, trollin, trollin. Keep those doggies trollin rawhide. It's not enough to say you didn't like it once is it? Personally it's Ridley Scott and at RT it seems to be holding steady. If he wants a sequel there'll be one.

  • June 9, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Re : totalreality

    by Real Deal

    And what would you rate the IQ of the armchair critics on hatebacks like this? Hint : For the most part it has little or nothing to do with a serious critique of the film. Which is sad. kolchak has it right : have rapidly deteriorated to "these critics didn't like it."

  • When you have to do it over and over again that's exactly what you are. Yup!

  • June 9, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Can somebody explain to me

    by Transhuman

    Why the engineer's initial reaction to David was gentle, and then suddenly violent? Why not just initially violent. I didn't get the point of that.

  • June 9, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Perks of my Job

    by hellsheartstab

    I get to use the digital projector as my own personal blu ray player, so I can pick apart as I go. Only a few things. #1- Charlize Theron death *squish* BAWHAHHA! I kept hearing Duke Nukem going off in the back of my head "woah what a mess" I played that over and over like seven times. I think it was this underlying jab at military vs. education where the grunt didn't think about rolling to the side like the good Dr. did. #2- Space jockey, I cant remember off hand because I haven't had the chance to pull out my Alien disc but wasn't the original Space Jockey really freaking huge?? No where near the size of the one that used David's head as a Pez dispenser. But really all and all I cant bitch at what was given to us, decent movie, I wasn't expecting to be "blown away" so I will say four out of five. From all the trailer paks Ive been privy to as of late, after DKR its gonna be a sloooow crawl to the Holiday season so lets be thankful for what we have folks.

  • June 9, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Brilliant insight into Ridley Scotts Prometheus

    by Mr Kite

    and why so many people like it despite its flaws. Genuine movie lovers have gotta see this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZYzbkk5X4M

  • ...which you just went through.Two squid scenes and the rest cut and paste while Ridley was messing around with 3D shots. Majorbludd's post was good as well.He thinks the reason why so much was off in Promtentiousness (script,characters,score,weak Chariots Of The Gods ripoff) was due to Ridley just using this as way to experiment with 3D. Should have just made a standalone movie and left this dreck as far away from the AlienVerse as possible.He'll call it what it is...Ancient Chariots Of The Mountains Of Madness The 13th Part 1 (cause you know Rothman was franchise of this shit). Goddamn that Tom Hardy lookalike was friggin' annoying as hell.Everything was " woo hoo brah!" he was acting like Johhny Utah from Point Break except as a "scientist".

  • June 9, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Old

    by UltraTron

  • June 9, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Actually the whole thing reminds me of thunderbirds are go.

    by UltraTron

  • June 9, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Mixed with a little megaforce and some other shit

    by UltraTron

  • June 9, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Hate professional film critics! It's way fucking cool!

    by kells

    Bunch of pseudo intellectual frauds! They are definitely NOT way fucking cool. I'm sure glad I'm not one of them! If I was one of them, I'd get paid for analyzing films, and people would actually read what I have to say, and I'd have professional credentials to back up my expertise, and that stuff is all bullshit! I'm a REAL film critic, because I'm sitting in my basement, no one knows who the fuck I am, and I'm exercising my internet-given right to HATE! HATE! I HATE THIS FILM! NOW I'M GOING TO COMPARE IT TO PHANTOM MENACE! BECAUSE THAT ISN'T COMPLETELY FUCKING RIDICULOUS! NOW I'M GOING TO HATE ANYONE WHO DISAGREES! AND I'M GOING TO INSULT THEM ONLINE BECAUSE I'M TOTALLY PROTECTED BY SOME WAY FUCKING CLEVER PSEUDONYM! I'm so way fucking cool.

  • June 9, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Gonna see it again in 3D IMAX. Love thunderbirds

    by UltraTron

  • June 9, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST

    PROMETHEUS does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    PROMETHEUS truly is one of the most beautiful sci fi films ever made. Stunning cinematography and the sets... Ridley shot this on the worlds largest sound stage and rumor is that he actually had it extended to match the ambition of the sets. For so many weaned on CG created environments what a delight. I cannot wait to spend more time in this world and will be first in line to buy the inevitable extended edition just to wallow in the detail of the sets and the fx. I so hope that the haters dont kill the hopes for the sequel. I for one so want to see more. A unique movie - quite unlike anything else. Except perhaps in a tangential way ALIEN and BLADE RUNNER. For they too were both beautiful and unique at their time. Enjoy this movie while it lasts... in this age of CG we may not see another like it. Film making is changing forever and PROMETHEUS may be the last hurrah for practical set creation on a gigantic scale.

  • June 9, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Bye Xenomorph

    by Subscriber9

    I finally saw it. The trailers did ruin some of the moments. Likes: Visuals, Sound, David, Shaw, Vickers (which was unexpected), Engineers. Vickers may come off as cold, but she was the only ONE who seemed to have some sort of common sense. Michael was wonderful as David. I really thought the Engineers would look like baby elephants before the movie. Nice touch with the helmet design. Dislikes: The STUPID team, Weyland, the plot line. That biologist REALLY bugged me. Even if it was Earth and you saw a Cobra showing its hood, you'd keep away. This dumb-ass calls it a she and cute? They should not have shown the engineer in the beginning, it ruined the scene when they removed the helmet in the lab. That star map in the control room and the pilots chair was awesome. But sadly it felt like it belonged in another movie. I had questions in the end as well. If Millburn's face was attacked with acid, how the heck did that snake thingy end up zombie controlling him? How does Shaw's "fetus", last left sealed in a med pod and gassed, grow to such muscular proportions without ANY food/sustenance? I'm guessing the Xeno at the end is going to die a well deserved slow death seeing its all alone on the planet/moon? Now, I want to know what happened to Shaw. But I don't trust 100+ million and another movie to give a good answer.

  • June 9, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Fantastic film, surprised by the hatred

    by maverick2484

    Saw it last night and loved it...tried to keep spoiler free so I didn't check out these threads until this morning and was surprised there wasn't a consenus that it was aweome. Prometheus is a great movie and a great Alien prequel. It simultaneously acts as an original, well-paced, genuinely tense horror-action-sci fi film, and as a new piece of Alien mythology that situates the original film in a new context (but does nothing to diminish it). Some of the criticism of the film is ludicrous. The story and the stakes of the film were clear. Elizabeth Shaw was a well-developed, sympathetic heroine whose motivations were established. David was a thoroughly memorable character. Effect-wise, this was absolute first-class Hollywood filmmaking, with the best use of 3D that we've seen next to Avatar and Hugo. Basically, I love that Ridley Scott took my favourite scene from Blade Runner (Batty meeting Tyrell and asking for more life) and blew that idea up into an entire movie, and incorporated the Alien mythos into it. The final shot is spectacular - my entire sold out theatre loved it!! Why on earth wouldn't you end with that shot? It's the goddman money shot that half the audience has been waiting for for 2 hours. This *is* an Alien prequel, so for anyone to say that it was a bad idea to show an ancestral/alternative version of the xenomorph is absolutely insane to me. Remember how months ago there were people bitching on these message boards when we heard that there weren't going to be any xenomorphs in the film? Well, you got one. Some people can't take yes for an answer. There hasn't been an epic summer movie this stuffed with big ideas and originality since Inception. Some people have said "well, you have to give it credit for its ambition", but it's more than that. The execution deserves credit as well. We'll be talking about that c-section sequence for years. What singular moment from The Avengers will we still be talking about? Some of the characters (yes, some, not all) were sketched a bit thin, that's really the only criticism I'm willing to get on board with. I love the ambiguity and the fact that there are outstanding questions to be answered, though even if Prometheus 2 doesn't happen I think the film still succeeds as a cohesive whole. Elizabeth Shaw sought out her creator to hold him account for mankind's mortality, and discovered that the answers to the big questions don't exist. Our gods were a let down - mortal, prone to hubris and temperment, just like the men and women that sprang from their DNA. That's a complete story! A story with a sad, desolate ending, not unlike the first Alien film. And we learned how the xenomorph was created! There's so much awesomeness on display in Prometheus, I just kinda feel bad for people who were so wound up in their own expectations that they weren't able to enjoy it.

  • Yes, there were some problems: 1. Aliens, shit I'm going back to the ship. Alien life 1 click away, let's walk in the other direction. Giant alien cobra rises out of the black ooze, "aw that's cute I wanna pet it" - WTF!!?? 2. Ridiculous old man makup - just hire an older actor WTF!!?? 3. I just C sectioned myself and when I return to others on the ship nobody says - "hey, there's blood all over you, what happened?" WTF!!?? But, there were also some amazing moments: 1. David discovering the Engineers control room. 2. The landing and exploration of the temple. 3. The fight between Engineer and giant squid. 4. Self induced C section - should have been more blood though. (Reminded me of csi autopsies) I'd give it a B

  • June 9, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    I would piss on a spark plug if I thought I'd do sum good

    by UltraTron

  • June 9, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Please don't hate it, think of the set design!

    by cool_britannia79

    Puuuuuuuuurlease! How desperate. Just got back from a second viewing, it gets no better. I like how almost nothing from one scene affects character motivation in the next. Like Shaw clobbering the biologist (Ford?) around the head when she tries to put her in cryo, and then moments later, after the caesarian, Ford has no reaction at all to seeing Shaw all fucked up with her C-section wound. Holloway getting fried? No one cares. This is Alien Zero, directed by Paul W.S Anderson, cinematography by Ridley Scott.

  • June 9, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Kells

    by Timmid

    Strange isn't it that the only insults being chucked around to other posters aren't from "haters". I find that with my kids. When they know they have a losing argument they just shout loudly --like you. But there's no amount of screaming that you can do that avoids the central issue that this film is a muddled mess. Film Exec :- "Well Ridders we're all for doing a film about the search for the meaning of human existence but you know, gotta give the paying public what they want. We gotta have a monster in there. Hey we've got this giant robot spider we were going to use in a Superman film ? No? A squid -- yeah I guess that'll do. And lots of deaths--stupid , stupid deaths. Hey ? Could we make it a comedy ?"

  • June 9, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST

    it's really fucked up doc

    by UltraTron

  • June 9, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST

    well off to Prometheus 3D IMAX again. Thunderbirds are go!

    by UltraTron

  • June 9, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    re: Milburn trying to *befriend* the alien cobra creature. The seed for this is sown in our initial introduction to the Milburn character. We are shown him going over to Fifield - trying to engage with the surliest and most threatening member of the crew. He is presented as the doofus that prods the bear. That's his defining characteristic. His attempt to engage with the alien cobra is a mirror to his earlier attempt to engage with Fifield.

  • June 9, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST

    totally awesome doc any way you look at it

    by UltraTron

  • June 9, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    cool_britannia, youve been crack posting your hatred of this movie all week... and now you say youve just got back from your 2nd viewing?!!! Wtf. Is PROMETHEUS like that girl you secretly have a crush on so you spend your whole time being mean to her in the hope shell notice you?

  • June 9, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST

    "I'm only here for money"

    by Screentext

    Thanks mohawk man. Thanks for telling us what your character "archtype" is so I didn't get confused. Also thanks for summing up why Ridley made this turd.

  • June 9, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Re : totalreality

    by Real Deal

    And you have to post another not to insightful post about how you didn't like this movie yet again! Word of mouth indeed. One mouth.

  • June 9, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST

    cobra--kai

    by cool_britannia79

    hating on me for giving it another chance? if you'd actually read my posts consistently you'd note I gave Prometheus 3 stars back on the 1st of June, it's just the absolutely ridiculous arguments put forward by yourself and your brethren that force anyone with any common sense to repeatedly go on about the films faults to get through to you. example: you think Milburn approaching a guy to sit next to him and eat a meal equates to approaching an alien organism that is visibly hostile and hissing at him? really? anyway, some errors being made by critics of this film: the black goo does have consistency of sorts within the terms of the movie. the black goo weaponizes anything it touches externally, the worms become vicious snake analogues, fifield becomes a killing machine. the snakes don't implant anything, they're not a facehugger analogue, they just share acid for blood. i think internally the goo just breaks down DNA, Holloway was probably going to suffer this fate. the alien squid baby? pass, that's too much of a reach for me. weaponized sperm? something else I noticed, the engineers are different. the one at the start has smooth skin, the one at the end has xenomorph style skin. it's not armour, it's actually his skin. but yeah, still severely flawed. the captain asking Fifield and Milburn's positions when there's a 3d map behind him with 2 diamonds marked F and M is a particular howler. As is searching for them when they go back and discover Milburn, you'd presume alive or dead, a tracker would continue to broadcast.

  • June 9, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    For The Record.......

    by Real Deal

    I'm not trying to pick on anyone in general. I'm just trying to point out the nonsensical reasoning of expressing hate for this film over and over again masking itself as an honest critique. And yes there is a difference. One is expressing an opinion. The other is trying to affect the success of the film ( as if it couild " Word of mouth " ) to see if they can.

  • June 9, 2012, 2:20 p.m. CST

    It's at 74 on RT, 7.8 on IMDB

    by maverick2484

    Haters want to act like they speak for the majority, but the numbers say otherwise.

  • June 9, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST

    And we're talking about it!

    by maverick2484

    In the age of Transformers movies making 300 mil, that's worth something.

  • June 9, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Re : cool_britannia79

    by Real Deal

    " your brethren that force anyone with any common sense to repeatedly go on about the films faults to get through to you. " That's bullshit. Why not let them have their own opinion like you would want them to treat yours? Once is one thing. Multiple times is really something else.

  • June 9, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Re : maverick2484

    by Real Deal

    You're wasting your time. The typical troll defense when direct proof is offered is to try to discredit the source of the proof. However what you're saying is true and it's good their are some genuine people here who can see it.

  • What if they are a group which destroyed the Space Jockeys which had been made by them? They were Frankenstein's Monster which went out destroying all that was in the Space Jockey's image? The fact that they look similar to us makes us think they made us, but what if they were made and we were made by the Jockeys, which are larger -- and have their own issues and concerns? The Giant Head might even be a clue to that..

  • June 9, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Real Deal

    by maverick2484

    *Banging my head against wall* ...yeah, you're right. The baseless vitrol (rather than actual, thoughtful criticism) towards a genuine, largely successful attempt to do something bold and original is just so damn disappointing.

  • June 9, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    This movie made me want to watch Critters 2…

    by Bob Derek

    so I did. And I consider that a very good thing. To all you hotheads, I think it's just the right quirky romp you need to clear your head. Prometheus made perfect sense to me after a second thought. As flawed as it is and as worried as I am that it'll go the route of Lost and purposely leave people completely unsatisfied, I think it reached the aim it was going for and also think that the Alien franchise is even lucky to have a film like this to be a part of the canon. Everything we wanted is there, they just turned the film in a black hole (it is a space film after all). I think Ridley brought Damon in because Lost had people asking the same questions that Alien had Ridley asking. So they wove into the central theme. Have any of you studied or had true psychedelic experiences? The more questions you ask, the more things spiral out of control. Just like that Louis CK bit where his daughter asks 'why?' over and over again.

  • June 9, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Re : maverick2484

    by Real Deal

    The really sad part is that this isn't the only example you'll read here. Perhaps one of the worst however.

  • June 9, 2012, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Of Weyland, By Weyland and For Weyland

    by animatronicmojo

    For those who say that the mission didn't make much sense, or that the crew, for the most part, were bug-nuts crazy and that their motivations were strange, horror movie stupid, etc.- I agree. However, I think this was intentional, and it worked for me, because the entire mission was a reflection of Weyland's decrepit psyche: secretive, completely compartmentalized, and utterly amoral. <P> By all indications, Trillionaire Peter Weyland was a narcissistic psychopath with delusions of godhood, who regarded everyone on the ship, including Vickers, as his personal servant, toy, tool, guard dog and/or guinea pig. For example, it's telling that he singled out Holloway, with his alternative views, for immediate experimentation with the goo. One gets the sense that Vickers, in the way she so bitterly and ironically calls him "Father," might very likely be a replicant- perhaps engineered as some sex toy / corporate operative that he came to regard as a "daughter." Perhaps, she is a female clone of Weyland himself, one of several. <P> It begs the question, who actually is "real" on this ship of fools, and, at this point within our own species. Perhaps his entire inner circle (including the two nearly nameless security guards, and nurse Ford) are replicants, or at least dutiful operatives regarded by him as dispensable. He obviously only "trusts" David- another mirror of Weyland- which is to say, as a classic narcissist does, only trusts, and cares for, himself. <P> I love the Blade Runner DNA in this universe. No one gives off more of a disturbed replicant vibe here than Space Miner geologist Fifeld ("But you're not helping. Why aren't you helping Fifeld?") <P> Milburn, the exobiologist (botanist) was likely not a replicant, but I guess got caught up in the horror move cliché stupidity and excitement of making first contact with a primitive form of alien life. Agreed, it's a pretty campy scene, enjoyed as stupid fun (in that LOST vein). Maybe Vickers recruited him merely for his enthusiasm to be the first to discover alien life, but ultimately, as a potential guinea pig (a common Weyland MO). Either way, both are classic treasure hunters, who, as the trope dictates, get their just deserts. <P> Only Shaw, Holloway, and, ultimately, pilots Janek, Chance and Ravel prove themselves to be "human," as opposed to corporate stooges/replicants. They all sacrifice themselves for what they perceive to be the greater good of humanity. Yes, it all happened fast, Janek going from a seemingly jaded cynic to martyr in minutes- but the decision to make a heroic act of sacrifice happens in an instant- after that, it is too late. So, that was their true character, as "real human beings." Vickers, who, on some level, never actualized as a human being while carrying the Weyland narcissism gene, ran with it, and was crushed by it. <P> There's more to consider here, too, on what exactly Weyland started with his selfish intentions- was it an act of war, where before there had merely been ambivilance? Did Shaw misinterpret their actions as, first, benevolent, and then hostile? Did "God" save Shaw- because she had faith, or because she was still useful to some grander design? <P> Then, of course, there is no way Shaw, after all that, would take this tech back to Earth and Weyland-Yutani- this is a theme of heroic determinism that runs throughout the Aliens series. Her decision to again confront the Engineers on their turf is a fantastic set-up for the next film. All in all, I would say that this was a satisfying first act of a potential epic space opera that expanded quite nicely on the Alien/Blade Runner universe.

  • June 9, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST

    @jestyr71

    by Shermdawg

    It's a totally unrelated strain beyond the black goo. The xenomorphs as we know them already existed before Prometheus ever landed on LV-223. Looks like you're the one that needs to watch the film closer.

  • If PROMETHEUS is bold and original then, to quote Private Pyle, "we are in a world of shit." Or you've just been watching too many terrible SF films in the last ten years (which, admittedly, is about all Hollwyood has given you). "Bold and original" just might be (please God) Cuaron's GRAVITY, which is set almost entirely in mid-space. But that's been bumped back six months, probably because the suits want a squid monster to come out of Sandra Bullock, grow to fifty times its size, and swallow George Clooney in the last scene.

  • June 9, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Sequel storyline

    by maverick2484

    After the movie my buddy and I were talking about how great it was that Prometheus fits in with the established Alien continuity while doing nothing to disrupt that continuity, but he made a good point about potential sequels. The only "prequel problem" that Prometheus (and future films) runs into as a result of being set in the world of Alien is that threats to the earth are futile, because Alien is in the future and the earth is fine. So if Prometheus 2 happens (weekend numbers are really good, fingers crossed), the stakes will have to be something other than "stop this from happening or the earth gets destroyed". No idea where they're going to go with this...to make the sequel all about Shaw and whether she lives would seem too small after Prometheus.

  • June 9, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Cannot believe how many whiny ass bitches are on this site.

    by Jason Bartlett

    Prometheus was awesome and opened up a lot of ideas. I am pretty sure most of you are retarded in some way.

  • June 9, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST

    David Thompson: Why PROMETHEUS is inexcusably bad (link)

    by No Respectable Gentleman

    http://davidthompson.typepad.com/davidthompson/2012/06/why-prometheus-is-inexcusably-bad.html

  • June 9, 2012, 3 p.m. CST

    Re : no respectable gentleman

    by Real Deal

    Just reading the over done hate in this talkback is enough to convince anyone we're " in a world of shit ".

  • June 9, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST

    her decision to fly into jockey airspace is heroic?

    by cool_britannia79

    and not utterly, utterly idiotic? it's like a US soldier being kidnapped by Iranians, escaping, and without telling anyone, going to Iran to ask them why they did it. utterly, utterly stupid.

  • June 9, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST

    X-Files

    by GeorgieBoy

    I seem to remember there was so "black oil" alien stuff in X-Files... Ah, I see how it's all related now!

  • June 9, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Re : cool_britannia79

    by Real Deal

    Even having not seen the film yet I can see this one. Shaw cares about earth and obviously the powers that be on earth would only be looking for profit from this so they're no good at stopping this. The only thing she could do is try to see what's up with the Jockey's home world and maybe she can stop the distruction of humanity. A long shot but the only thing she could do. Not difficult to figure out.

  • June 9, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST

    real deal that makes no sense whatsoever

    by cool_britannia79

    earth is completely unaware that there is a race of hostile aliens out there, so instead of taking their technology back to earth, warning us, letting us reverse engineer the tech, y'know, like the actual fable of Prometheus, she goes to what would be certain death.

  • June 9, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Cool_britannia, your analogy is idiotic.

    by donkey_lasher

    US Soldiers don't return to the US with biological weapons that could wipe out mankind. What was she supposed to do?

  • June 9, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST

    timmid

    by kells

    You win. You're way fucking cool.

  • June 9, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Yeah

    by donkey_lasher

    like she was all in favour of WMD's. Her faith got her that far, so she thought she would travel through the stars. JESUS, no-one deconstructed The Avengers like this. Oh yeah, cos it was a comic book movie.

  • June 9, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST

    jasonicus

    by kells

    There are no retards here. Just way fucking cool people.

  • June 9, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST

    georgieboy -- X-Files

    by HornOrSilk

    Borrowed from Quatermass. Quatermass and the Pit really is the best representation of this kind of story on film (even if old).

  • June 9, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Possible motivation of Shaw at the end

    by HornOrSilk

    She knew she had been infected; did she know she was completely safe to go back to earth? No. So she couldn't risk hurting earth in case she still had something in her which could come out later. So her best bet is to explore more, to go and see if she can get answers (if possible).

  • June 9, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    I'll Subject You All To My Review Which Responds To The Criticisms

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    BEWARE POSITIVE REVIEW OF PROMETHEUS COMING WARM UP YOUR "P" "L" "A" "N" and "T" KEYS Alright, I just got back from my second viewing of Prometheus in 12 hours. I'll start with basic stuff. LOVED the film, thought it was daring, challenging and didn't pander to audience expectations. I also went to my first viewing (midnight west coast time) having been COMPLETELY spoiled...I knew everything that was gonna happen, I also knew all the criticisms of the film, so I went into the midnight showing actively looking for these flaws...couldn't find them. I had heard tales about cringe worthy dialogue, scenes that nobody could understand why they were in the film, characters doing things out of character, a script riddled with plot holes, hamfisted tacked on ending, etc etc etc. Now I'll basically do this review by responding to the criticisms...here we go 1. Horrible Dialogue - Where? When? Was it when Holloway said "it's christmas and I'm going to open my present"? Because if that's it then my god...a lot of people seemed to have a problem with Janek and Shaw's scene toward the end because they thought Janek wouldn't know anything that he said in that scene...well yeah he didn't know any of it...not for certain but that's absolutely what he believed to be true, just because he says it doesn't mean he's right for god's sake, he could be 100% wrong...but from what he saw with Millburn and Fifield that was the conclusion he drew...doesn't mean it's correct 2. Scenes that you didn't know what they were doing there - the ONLY scene that wasn't directly related to the overall storyline was Janek and Vickers on the bridge...but that was a great character scene and a nice bit of levity amidst all the chaos...every other scene in the film directly influenced the story, the mood, or the overall mythology...please give me other examples of scenes that didn't need to be in the movie (don't include the final scene I'll get into that later) 3. Characters doing things out of character - Like what?? dumb Fifield and Millburn getting lost?? So the two goofy academics can't navigate an alien cave system, totally believable...I didn't get the impression that these guys ever got out of the lab, Millburn definitely didn't, he's a freaking biologist, Fifield being a geologist means he's studied rocks and probably been in a few caves before but nothing like this and even then he's a geologist not a freaking cartographer or a navigator...you can easily argue that had David not been with the other group they wouldn't have found their way out either Shaw being able to work the medpod...I've never used a defibrillator but you hand me one right now I'll figure it out in 1 minute...these devices are supposed to be user friendly, not to mention Shaw was absolutely familiar with the device, she knew the name of it and how many were made, that's info you don't pick up in random conversation so she's obviously researched it, maybe her father had to use one when he died of Ebola, she probably spent a bunch of time in the hospital with him so she'd have been around medical equipment...but the point is in the future technology will become easier and easier to operate, and since this is a freaking self-operated medical station it has to be able to be run by anybody 4. Plot holes and overall bad script - just because you didn't get an answer to something doesn't mean it's a plot hole. "But how do they know the Engineers are going back to Earth to kill us" THEY DON'T KNOW THAT! That's just what the characters think, that is never proven one way or the other, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to support it but fact is we don't know for sure what the Engineers motivations were, we can guess that it attacked David and the humans because it was angry that we, to quote Peter Weyland "are the god's now" but who knows why he did it, that's what I love about this film is that the motivations of the Engineers remains completely up for grabs. How did Shaw and Holloway know the cave paintings were an invitation? They didn't, Shaw believed they were and Holloway wanted to find out IF they were...I see the same complaint over and over that the characters draw conclusions they couldn't possibly draw...and I always answer with just because they draw a conclusion doesn't mean their conclusion is right...just because someone says something in this film doesn't mean that's the reality, these people were wrong a lot How does David know how to work their technology and how can he speak their language? Ok if these Engineers influenced so many different cultures around the world you would think that influence would extend to writing and language, David spent 2 years studying all the languages from the civilizations where the star maps were found, assuming that the engineers language would be related somehow to those...and it apparently was, he was able to decode their language well enough to operate basic things like doors, and then he learned how to operate the pilot controls by watching the holograms and then later he actually watched the engineer fly the ship 5. Tacked on ending - basically if that ending wasn't there we'd have to hear bitching about how we never found out what happened to the engineer and what was implanted in him...but now that it's there we get bitching about how it was just added for no reason...damned if you do damned if you don't, whatever I thought it was cool Basically after two viewings I don't feel like there is anything I'm bothered by in terms of plot holes, character moments and motivations, or storyline. I won't even mention the visuals because they are nearly perfect, I will say I loved the entire storm scene as well as Janek flying the suicide mission and the crash of the juggernaut. My only real gripes would be I wish Charlize got a better payoff than just being a coward who avoids death just to die 2 minutes later anyway and I don't know why they made the first f-bomb all staticky...but overall this movie made me really curious about this world, what exactly attacked the engineers to stop their original flight to earth? Millburn mentioned a chestburster type incident but how or what caused it? Love not having that answer...what are Shaw and David going to find when they get to the engineers homeworld? Can't wait for that one...Shaw will obviously help repair david since she brought his body so we'll see a fully functional Fassbender in the sequel This movie began an amazing journey, our characters went off in search of an idea, a belief, a fantastic quest only to find the truth is nothing that they expected or wanted, that instead lay a grim reminder that while humanity has advanced so far in the grand scheme of things we are still tiny, insignificant, and have no idea how the universe works...some may say that the lack of answers and general open endedness is a drawback and hinders the film, but I for one loved the first dip into this new narrative pool, the possibilities from here are endless, I can't wait to see what the next one brings...all the while knowing that lurking just out of sight is our old double mouthed friend, can't wait to see what role he plays

  • June 9, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Who the fuck is David Thompson? Ohhh...he has a BLOG.

    by kells

    That is way fucking cool.

  • ...I would like to quote Ripley from the interrogation scene in Aliens. "Did IQ's just drop while I was asleep?" I'd pass Promtentiouness off as a decent movie had it been done by some it boy music video director helming his first film (hmmm Finchers Alien entry comes to mind) but this was Ridley return to the AlienVerse and no matter how the masses spin it...it was a fucking disappointment.

  • June 9, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Alien V Predator or Prometheus?

    by cool_britannia79

    Scientists are taken on an expedition to an alien temple that hearkens back to ancient human civilisations. They are funded by a terminally ill billionaire named Weyland, who also goes on the expedition, but he is killed before ever realising his ambitions. Two alien species are discovered, who ultimately kill each other. As a lone human female survives, a new species is born from the carcass of one of the dead aliens. Which film is that?

  • Damn...that was just stellar, awesome, orgasmic, nerdy, ship crashing greatness. BTW I think alot of people are nitpicking over nothing because the film turned out to be something completely different from what they were expecting. Many here have complained about her being able to function after the C Section and I heard a woman complain about it after walking out of the theater. Problem is she was 400 pounds and I doubt she can walk up a flight of stairs... while Noomi is in great shape. I guess the multiple painkilling injections and the mouthful of pills she downed went over everyones, including fat movie goer ladys head. Its flawed, but at least its a ambitious film - and Id rather see a ambitious failure than a generic, by the numbers, unimaginative stock film any day.

  • June 9, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Ebert's 4 Star Review

    by Real Deal

    http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120606/REVIEWS/120609989

  • June 9, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Ebert's 4 star review for Titanic

    by cool_britannia79

    http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120403/REVIEWS/120409998/1023

  • June 9, 2012, 4 p.m. CST

    It's Star Trek V all over again. A big idea, largely botched

    by Gary Makin

  • You're some anonymous guy on a internet forum. There. Happy to clarify that for you.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Ironically, given that it's a reboot, it's similar to AVP

    by Gary Makin

  • June 9, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST

    @raskolnikov_was_framed

    by Anirban

    I completely agree. I don't think IQ points have dropped in order to appreciate this movie. In fact I think the imagination of answers in response to the questions that a viewer might have, makes this movie even more fun to watch, and gets the brain going on possibilities. Point being - we don't or shouldn't need things spelled out, and it is fun trying to connect the dots, even if we are wrong! Granted there are people out there that genuinely think this is a failure of a movie. I don't see how, and upon my first viewing last night, I was half annoyed for reading so many negative spoiler filled reviews and not understanding what the fuck these people were talking about. I still don't get it. But they are entitled to their opinion. I am pretty sure, people will end up loving this movie later on. Seems to be Ridley Scott's curse with bad reactions initially and then classic movie status later. p.s. Fuck the people that are here just to hate. Troll is too nice a word.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Re : cool_britannia79

    by Real Deal

    And?

  • June 9, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    I could talk about this movie all day.

    by Yelsaeb

    But not on this site. Too many idiots.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Ebert

    by Timmid

    Just recounts the plot without mentioning any of the flaws ? Again nobody seems to be able to say why this film is any good other than it is ambitious. Its ambitious in that it asks questions that it then doesn't answer.!!?? The silliness of this just astounds me. And hey, for all the "lovers" out there, I'm not a nit-picking "hater" who is just trashing on this thing for the sake of it. I went in with no expectations and came away thinking that I'd just watched a film that went nowhere, about people who I could care less.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    dawkness you are right in a way

    by HornOrSilk

    I don't hate the movie, though I didn't love it either. I think it was meh -- though I get what it wanted to do. But where you are right is that there are people who think "if it is not all spelled out to me, it must be dumb." They don't get it: if they need everything spelled out, the reason is simple: they haven't learned how to think. They think coming to know answers by having them told to you means you are smart...

  • June 9, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Loved it. Wow! That's an abortion I'd pay for twice.

    by adeceasedfan

  • June 9, 2012, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Re : timmid

    by Real Deal

    Allow me to quote myself from an earlier response to maverick2484 " You're wasting your time. The typical troll defense when direct proof is offered is to try to discredit the source of the proof. However what you're saying is true and it's good their are some genuine people here who can see it. "

  • June 9, 2012, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Prometheus is 1 star better than Rocky and Bullwinkle!

    by cool_britannia79

    Like Roger Ebert has ever, ever been relevant.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Re : timmid

    by Real Deal

    Funny Ebert seems to be able to say why he liked the film if you'd read the review.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:09 p.m. CST

    There is quite a bit of Blade Runner with this

    by HornOrSilk

    Though I think Blade Runner is the superior film, the criticisms given to it are similar to what I see going on here. Many people said the film went nowhere, was illogical, didn't answer the questions. So they had Harrison do a voice over. That still didn't satisfy and they still said the same thing. The movie is of a different genre than action films. It's a different genre than most horror films. It's Lovecraft territory. Where things don't all get answered, where humanity is lost in the tides of the cosmos, where things and people don't always make sense. The plot, though important, is not even the main point: the questions and the ways people come to answer them, that is the point. And please, please, please. Ridley, if you had to do one film, do Book of the New Sun. Mel Gibson for the lead. Really. That would be your best work ever.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST

    gmakin as I have pointed out, think Quatermass

    by HornOrSilk

    And you will get the movie more. Indeed, in a way, Elizabeth Shaw is a female Quatermass.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Re : totalreality

    by Real Deal

    The funny thing is that I think a lot of people will trust Ebert more than they trust you. And that includes word of mouth.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Re : cool_britannia79

    by Real Deal

    " Like Roger Ebert has ever, ever been relevant. " You haven't been alive very long have you?

  • June 9, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Oh cool_britannia79

    by Real Deal

    " He is the first film critic to win a Pulitzer Prize for Criticism. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Ebert

  • i was laughing so hard at that......

  • June 9, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Re : totalreality

    by Real Deal

    How many Pulitzer prizes have you won lately?

  • June 9, 2012, 4:17 p.m. CST

    I am entertained by all the errors in Eberts review

    by cool_britannia79

    'A scene at the outset shows a world with apparently only one animal being, a pale humanoid who stalks a high ridge surrounded by spectacular scenery. This person eats something that causes painful vomiting and rapid body decay. The vomit is followed into flowing water, where it seems to morph into living cellular structures. Where is this place? Is it Earth? Who is the being, and why is it alone and naked? Is the scene a visualization of the theory that life first arrived on Earth from outer space? Cut to a human spaceship in the year 2093, qualifying "Prometheus" for a flash-forward spanning more years than the opening of 2001.' yeah, just ignore the scene inbetween. 'The alien race in "Prometheus" shares a body characteristic that reminds me of "Alien" and countless films since: Elements can detach from them and enter into other bodies as hostile parasites.' obviously missed the black goo plot device completely. 'This leads to an astonishing sequence in which Elizabeth, alone on the ship, discovers she is pregnant with an alien Something and somehow finds the will to control a robot surgery device that removes it.' alone is she? who tells her she's pregnant then? Ebert = doddering old fool, completely irrelevant.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Re : cool_britannia79

    by Real Deal

    " Ebert = doddering old fool, completely irrelevant " You're not making a very good case for your argument.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST

    The apologists are hilarious.

    by cool_britannia79

    'But Ebert got a Pulitzer!' I don't give a fuck, Prometheus is still disappointing. And the apologists have no defence against crappy dialogue, plotholes, shoddy action sequences and general naffness. Ridley Scott is a great cinematographer, god awful director these days.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Re : cool_britannia79 What's Really Hilarious

    by Real Deal

    Is that the haters have to hate so many times. They just can't stand it that there are people who like this movie and will say anything ( silly, nonsensical, or just plain stupid ) because of that fact.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST

    For Celtics fans: Prometheus head statue = Kendrick Perkins.

    by Fa Fa Fooey

    Just sayin. And oh yeah: aim it at her tits, Eddie.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Ridley Scott and Roger Ebert

    by cool_britannia79

    Two spent forces, way, way past their prime. 3 stars for Rocky and Bullwinkle man, that's the same score he gave Godfather part II. I'm British, before the net, I'd never heard of Roger Ebert, but I've read up on him and I'd like to know if you really think Prometheus is better than Godfather part II.

  • ...just finished Alien,popping in Aliens still trying to get the taste of bad writing,stupid characters,and ADD riddled plot twists and scenes with no suspense,no plausibility.Vistas and David being interesting one minute,inane trashiness that leads nowhere the next.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:29 p.m. CST

    What they were going after with PROMETHEUS.

    by tailhook

    People are kind of missing the whole point entirely. The movie(at least to me), plot holes and all, seems to be aiming at an examination of Humanity, not the Engineers. The core of this is that we were basically an unintended evolution of them, just as the Alien was an unintended evolution of us. Somewhere in the past, there was an offshoot of the Engineers that sought to seed life on foreign planets. Thats why they have different ships, thats why it was a dude in a monk's robe. What he did there wasn't intended or wanted in creating us. Now take a look at Shaw, she ends up impregnated with an evolutionary fetus and whats the first thing she seeks to do, kill it. She sits there questioning the aliens and Gods we came from, but then doesn't even blink about exterminating the aliens that come from us. We are to the Alien as the Engineers are to us. We are their unwanted children and probably as ugly to them as the squid/xeno's are to us. An argument could be made for either side that this is either a pro-life or a pro-abortion movie... but given the relative mess of the whole thing, only generalities that allow for both.. or none... are in order. There was definately a film there, a mash of things atm and a few drafts short of a solid film.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Burke-"It was a bad call Ridley,a bad call."

    by kenchun24

  • June 9, 2012, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Why did they even tie it in to Alien?

    by cool_britannia79

    The only thing that needed to tie into Alien in this movie was the Space Jockey design and the Derelict. The Derelict was wrong, it never had cryo pods on it, the Space Jockeys are way too small, and making the exo skeleton that was growing out of the chair into Dr Manhattan was a wasted opportunity. So, why bother?

  • June 9, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Re : cool_britannia79

    by Real Deal

    " Two spent forces, way, way past their prime. " I'm sorry but you sound really young when you say things like that. There's nothing really wrong with being young but ignoring things that came before your time is a big mistake. I know. I was young once. It would be the same thing as if I called you young and stupid. Which I'm not doing.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Must piss you off that I'm 32 then.

    by cool_britannia79

  • June 9, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Real deal

    by cool_britannia79

    Is Prometheus better than Godfather Part II?

  • June 9, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Re : totalreality

    by Real Deal

    You're missing the point. What I'm saying is that your take and my take count for nothing in the scheme of things. Critics like Eberts do have an effect. Us by ourselves not so much. And that word of mouth you keep bringing up well.... the facts online don't seem to support your argument if you're counting on a widely negative response to Prometheus.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST

    And what's with all the exclamation marks in the headlines?!!

    by Gary Makin

  • June 9, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Re : cool_britannia79

    by Real Deal

    I'll let you know. However I liked GodFather part II. Not as well as part 1. So besides it being sort of a prequel what's your point?

  • June 9, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Re : cool_britannia79

    by Real Deal

    I remember 32. It was 3 years before I started at my current job of 23 years. Times all relative as you can see.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST

    you haven't seen Prometheus yet?

    by cool_britannia79

    really?

  • June 9, 2012, 4:41 p.m. CST

    @hornorsilk People do need to do think! This is Sci-Fi!

    by Anirban

    I don't think Sci-Fi movies need to have everything spelled out. Granted, there are movies that have no explanations, that is shitty writing. Prometheus is most definitely not in that category. Almost everything has an answer if people just think about it. Scott spoke of the DNA of Alien in this movie. And he is obviously not making that up. The opening sequence with the spread of DNA was perfect. This movie is supposed to make you think. And hornorsilk, I guess you are right - some of the people trashing this movie, just don't have the ability to think. They want a movie where every scientific and plot detail is spelled out to them. To those people I would suggest not watching the sequel. Clearly the direction that Ridley Scott is going with this movie/franchise is not for you. I am definitely gonna see this movie again. Way too much fun!

  • June 9, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Re : cool_britannia79

    by Real Deal

    I thought I'd made that clear. I'll go see it in due time. It's the nature of the reaction here that I'm talking about. I also thought I'd made that clear.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST

    @duluoz: COMPLETELY NAILED THIS MOVIE ON THE HEAD

    by obijuanmartinez

  • June 9, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST

    I'm loving Eberts reviews!

    by cool_britannia79

    Speed 2: 3/4 The Happening: 3/4 Rocky & Bullwinkle: 3/4 Die Hard: 2/4 2012: 3 and a half!!!!! Holy fucking shit, Ebert is always RIGHT ON THE MONEY!

  • June 9, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST

    real deal = troll

    by cool_britannia79

    until you've seen the film, absolutely nothing you say has any relevance whatsoever. you're talking for the sake of talking, jog on.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST

    For Both Of You

    by Real Deal

    Sigh! Allow me to requote my respose from earlier : Allow me to quote myself from an earlier response to maverick2484 " You're wasting your time. The typical troll defense when direct proof is offered is to try to discredit the source of the proof. However what you're saying is true and it's good their are some genuine people here who can see it. "

  • June 9, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST

    I saw it today, don't get the hate

    by Jeremy Jar Binks

    It was a beautifully filmed piece of visceral hard sci-fi. I don't get what people were expecting, but I think there was a lot of baggage brought into it. It wasn't game-changing, but it was good stuff. middle-range philosophy, top notch visuals, and decent acting. Plus, it's a fuckin' adult film made for grown-ass people, which are few and far between these days. Really liked the bits with Fassbinder and Noomi in the abortion-machine. Only things that made me cringe a little were: 1.) bad Billy Crystal old-guy makeup on Weyland 2.) Prometheus dude looks like he stepped out of a Tool video I quite enjoyed it, though!

  • That would be way fucking cool.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Re : cool_britannia79 As To Trolls

    by Real Deal

    Yes there's trolls here alright but you've got it backwards. I'm the reaction to that. Like I've said there are many of us who are just plain tired of the trolling hate on these talkbacks.

  • ...this wasn't Paul WS Andersons Prometheus it was friggin' Ridley.The execution of the movie ( David and cinematography/visuals aside) were so poor in my and many other opinion that it didn't make me want to ponder the ideas you have brought up...instead it made me focus on the flaws.Great visuals cannot hide a poorly executed story/characters etc...hence the disappointment by myself and others.

  • Because it makes them WAY fucking cool.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    totalreality, RE: the engineer and saucer ship at the beginning. The opening coda could easily have been skipped by Scott so it clearly has massive siginificance to unravelling what the engineers motivation is. There are a couple of theories... Theory 1: The robed engineer is a sacrifice who gives his DNA to create humankind while the Earth is young. The engineers later visit the planet to see their creation and are seen as gods - ancient deities such as Zeus, Poseidon, Ra, Vishnu (they are even blue skinned like some of the Asian pantheon of gods). They leave the star maps showing one of their colonies (whether or not LV was a *weapons* site at this ancient time is not known). Around 2000 years ago when man forsook the ancient gods and worshipped a christian god in their own image then the engineers saw that their creation was no longer *theirs*. They decided to purge them. Theory 2: The robed engineer is Prometheus himself. A *god* who betrayed his fellow gods by giving fire to man. He gave his DNA to Earth and man was formed in his image, the DNA imprinted with the location of a site that would give *fire* to man literally. Enough bio weaponry to destroy the engineers who one presumes had become tyrants, twisted by power.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST

    also... to the real sf fans who are hating on this

    by Jeremy Jar Binks

    Didn't seem too out of step with the great classic hard sf I have read, such as "Forever War", "Rendesvous With Rama", "Redemption Ark", etc, etc... this is pretty much standard SF stuff here. Not like Ridley's dumbing it down or anything from some level of "pure" science fiction. Oh but then Ridley's being "plagiarist." Why bother wrestling with idiots though... just let it go.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Duncan Jones' Prometheus would have been amazing

    by cool_britannia79

    Sadly, this reminded me of Mission to Mars.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Whoever directed it should have kept Ridley on as cinematographer

    by cool_britannia79

    Because NOTHING looks as good as this. Absolutely nothing.

  • June 9, 2012, 5 p.m. CST

    Re: Theories

    by cool_britannia79

    'Theory 1: The robed engineer is a sacrifice who gives his DNA to create humankind while the Earth is young. The engineers later visit the planet to see their creation and are seen as gods - ancient deities such as Zeus, Poseidon, Ra, Vishnu (they are even blue skinned like some of the Asian pantheon of gods). They leave the star maps showing one of their colonies (whether or not LV was a *weapons* site at this ancient time is not known). Around 2000 years ago when man forsook the ancient gods and worshipped a christian god in their own image then the engineers saw that their creation was no longer *theirs*. They decided to purge them. Theory 2: The robed engineer is Prometheus himself. A *god* who betrayed his fellow gods by giving fire to man. He gave his DNA to Earth and man was formed in his image, the DNA imprinted with the location of a site that would give *fire* to man literally. Enough bio weaponry to destroy the engineers who one presumes had become tyrants, twisted by power.' Ridley has already said in an interview that the guy at the start is a sacrifice, that he was treated like royalty for a year, with all the food and girls he could ever desire, and then he sacrificed himself. Theory 2 does not hold up at all, if he was a renegade no one would have been back to paint star maps on walls.

  • June 9, 2012, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Just Like On IMDB

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    we have a couple of people who want the movie to fail spamming the talkbacks to make it seem like this film is universally being panned...whatever...I thought the film was nearly flawless...I read all the negative stuff BEFORE seeing it and honestly the detractors are either missing key points or inventing things to convince themselves they hate it...there is not one single plot hole in the entire film...not ONE! the answers they don't give us (why did the engineers want to kill the humans...or did they?) (what attacked them 2000 years before Prometheus got there?) (was this always a military installation or is it even one now? Janek could be wrong) (what will Shaw and David find as they venture deeper into the universe in search of the engineers?) my god those are same great questions that will be fun to debate until the sequel...because this film will make its money back and there will be a sequel

  • Because it's stupid. It's not included in the original ALIEN, and thank god for that. The original ALIEN is about 1000 times more sophisticated than this pap. I called this STARGATE WITH FACEHUGGERS in the other thread, and that actually isn't fair to STARGATE. That movie knew that it was camp. It also had a more sensible approach to its alien wannabe gods - they actually had a MOTIVATION. They were a parasitic species that achieved immortality by using humans as hosts. What's the motivation of the Engineers? It's sad when the motherfucking theatrical version of STARGATE has a more sensible script than Ridley Scott's 'smart sci-fi'.

  • June 9, 2012, 5:01 p.m. CST

    I get the hate...

    by kells

    Online fan discussion forums pretty much only have a purpose in existing if they somehow establish themselves as either 1) obsessively knowledgeable about certain films or genres, to the extent that they can claim to "know more" than mainstream critics, or 2) a counterweight to established and credentialed critics with wider audiences, thus requiring them to go against the prevailing critical sentiment and to do so in loud and vehement ways. These are both born out of inherent inferiority complexes that develop while trying to defend their interests as somehow worthy of artistic merit and study, and an innate resentment of traditional media opinion and commentary, which enjoy broader recognition and established readerships. Fan forums tend to take "ownership" of their genres, and therefore when they expect something and are given something that fails to live up to their expectations, they feel betrayed - almost personally. Of course, there is no such betrayal, and artists have no objective obligations to satisfy fan expectations, so when those expectations aren't met, it feels even worse. Thus, disappointment becomes an almost incoherent, impotent rage, manifesting as increasingly rhetorically ridiculous flights of verbal abuse. Thus. Haters. And...they're way fucking cool.

  • June 9, 2012, 5:05 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    cool_brittannia: RE Theory 2. The star map. Think of it like Richard Dreyfuss character in CLOSE ENCOUNTERS feeling compelled to sculpt the mountain... an imprinted idea or urge - there are many recurring images in ancient cave paintings and recurring myths from civilizations that never had any contact with each other.

  • June 9, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST

    totalreality

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    what makes you think that the creators of man would be any less prone to self-anhiliation than mankind itself? this isn't a christian allegory...god's can be just as fallible as man

  • Maybe because no one cares if Hollywood pushes the buttons of those religions. There's also the Jesus was a Jockey theory, but that's just stupid.

  • June 9, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST

    totalreality

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    it will break 150 global by the end of this weekend...51 million already overseas in only 15 countries...55+ million predicted in the U.S. alone this weekend...plus the entire foreign take which expands to almost 7 thousand more screens it'll be around 160-170 global after this weekend see this is why I know you're not impartial, you want this movie to fail...is it TDKR? are you really that much of a competitive movie fan you can't want both to do well?

  • June 9, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST

    cobra--kai

    by cool_britannia79

    you're suggesting DNA can hold memories? that was in Alien: Resurrection.

  • My take on the original was this: The space jockey ship had been infested by the xenomorphs and its crew had been wiped out, but not before sending a distress signal. Neither the space jockeys nor the xenomorphs had any relationship to mankind; it's just a bad fucking thing that happened to the space jockey ship, because space is vast and biology is one tough motherfucker and eventually there's always some form of life that's meaner and tougher than you, and if you poke your nose under enough rocks eventually you'll lose your face. Human beings had intercepted the distress call, and understood enough of it to think to themselves, 'If we bring one of those things back, we can weaponize the son of a bitch.' So they divert the Nostromo, which happens to be the closest ship, knowing (and not caring) that the crew will be wiped out. The crew is SUPPOSED to die, that's actually the right outcome - as long as one of the xenomorphs or an egg or embryo makes it back on the (empty) Nostromo. And then Ripley fucks up corporate's plan by surviving and by expelling the xenomorph into space. It you take that story and try to wedge it into some pothead philosophy nonsense story about Ancient Aliens, you wreck it. The universe is no longer a jungle full of biology we don't understand that might be tougher than us - we're not bystanders to the action here, we're the fucking stars. The xenomorph isn't a lion or a tiger or Ebola - it's an industrial accident. It's a really big galaxy, guys. Not everything has to be about the fucking Nazca lines.

  • June 9, 2012, 5:17 p.m. CST

    totalreality

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    "The Engineers were just as stupid. Apparently they dropped a sample, had no containment and all got killed." how do you know that's what happened?? you can theorize all you want but nowhere is that proven as fact...something happened yes...but was it a rogue engineer who wanted to sabotage the mission to earth? was it another race of Aliens who are at war with the engineers?? literally anything could have happened

  • June 9, 2012, 5:19 p.m. CST

    fluffyunbound

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    ---Human beings had intercepted the distress call, and understood enough of it to think to themselves, 'If we bring one of those things back, we can weaponize the son of a bitch.'--- how would they know what was in that ship if the company hadn't known about the engineers and the xeno in advance?? if anything Prometheus and its sequels will explain how the company knew to replace the science officer with Ash just prior to the mission...they knew that ship was there before they even sent the Nostromo out to begin with

  • June 9, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Typ usual Scott vs Studio film

    by iluvsyfy

    There is a great film in there, but as usual the studio makes Scott edit it down to run more showings, and this time because I believe Scott's DC version is too powerful and would leave to many viewers unsettled. The end shot to me is contrived by the studio execs, who only want to use it to remake Alien, etc. It is a prequel though (of course they won't admit it, as it would be spoilerish) I believe the plan based on watching the clues, mural is a prophecy. The Alien queen is birthed from a union of the squid thing and one of the fallen ones. Why fallen, notice the alien uses music, the flute and the contrlsl create notes. Lucifer and his angels basically led the choir to paraphrase. This film approached from a scientific vp. The aliens are a race that have fallen from grace and want to destroy life, therefore they create a species that consumes all intelligent life. The catastrophie happens 2k years ago (hint)on the alien base. The alien hates that humans created David, jealous. The two really big miscues... 1. The stupid werewolf mutant (lame) 2. CT demise, such a waste, should have concluded more epic, or left people in doubt. I WANT SCOTT's DC CUT NOW! YOU STUDIO BASTARDS. YOU GUYS NEED TO GIVE SCOTT CARTEBLANC LIKE WEDON ON AV OR NOLAN ON BATMAN. 2/3X you make Scott trim great films to a lesser film, because your execs are not artists, but sit behind desks.

  • June 9, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST

    squid engineer etc.

    by Marc W

    1. The squid thing..which I think of as the sperm creature..people are questioning how fast it grows..are we forgetting how quick it is for a chestburater to grow to a full xenomorph? 2. the opening...what if he is not seeding earth but rather we are seeing an earlier atttempt to wipe us out..the creation of a virus...perhaps ebola? Remeber it is pointed out that Shaws Dad died of ebola. 3. The snake creature evolved from the worms...it kills or maims the geoligisy who is then mutated by th the ooze...

  • June 9, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST

    If The Final Shot Isn't In The Film

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    then all you whiners would be complaining about how we never found out what the giant facehugger implanted in the engineer...bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch

  • ...and not just the sets,cinematography,effects etc. Ridley is great at that we all knew that.But the rest failed and people who let that pass by saying "you don't get this amazing smart sci fi story Ridley and co. have made." are truly missing the point of those that feel this movie was a weak entry into the AlienVerse. Like I've said before wish this was it's own animal COMPLETELY with zero ties to AlienVerse. Ridley/Lindelof decided to widdle down the Alien/Xeno mythos to simply a bio-weapon used by Albino Space Shaq's and discovered by bunch of idiotic scientist's.Wow brilliant.

  • June 9, 2012, 5:26 p.m. CST

    marcx

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    the engineer at the beginning is sacrificing himself to seed whatever planet that was with the building blocks of intelligent life...I don't think he drank the black goo it was something else...just like what Fassbender put in Holloways drink wasn't black goo either, it was something else entirely...the black goo surrounded those containers in the ampules...but yeah in the credits the guy at the beginning is called the sacrifice engineer

  • June 9, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST

    kenchun24

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    ---Ridley/Lindelof decided to widdle down the Alien/Xeno mythos to simply a bio-weapon used by Albino Space Shaq's and discovered by bunch of idiotic scientist's--- what film did you watch?? that was never established as fact in Prometheus

  • June 9, 2012, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Raskolnikov, it doesn't matter how they retcon it in the next film

    by FluffyUnbound

    If there ever is a next film. The whole point of the first film to me was 'Space is scary because it's big and humans are small, and natural selection on some other world might have produced something we can't handle'. You can find a way to make the plot sequence work, because the writers can make the story become anything they want with a little effort. But what you can't undo now is that the NEW point of the story is 'Space is...apparently full of creatures that are devoting all of their time and energy to thinking about human beings. We are the center of every species' attention.' It's very nearly a complete inversion. It's like doing a prequel to PATHS OF GLORY that changes everything so the new theme of the story is 'War is great, bitches!'

  • June 9, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Ridley has confirmed the script had Jesus as an Engineer

    by cool_britannia79

    But that aspect was cut (but still hinted at). That's where the 2000 years comes from. Jesus. Jesus was a Space Jockey. Someone make that bumper sticker NOW!

  • June 9, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST

    fluffyunbound I could be wrong, but I think even in Alien

    by HornOrSilk

    It was hinted at that the ship and its content was already known to be there (not by the crew, but by the company).

  • I still think there is more to him than meets the eye, and that the alien species is somehow a continuation of his life, where parts of him are spread out, to live out lives of their own, but eventually able to be brought together to bring back the Engineer. And I can't be wonder if "Prometheus II" is a sequel which takes place AFTER Alien. That would be an interesting twist.

  • June 9, 2012, 5:36 p.m. CST

    fluffyunbound

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    how do you know they are spending energy thinking about humans?? Earth could be no more than a petri dish to them...that's probably the ultimate point of Prometheus is that Shaw thought she was going to meet her creators who had summoned her there but instead found out they really don't even like humans all that much and were on their way back to earth to reset their experiment with another one... David: "Why did your people create me?" Holloway: "Because we could" David: "Imagine how disappointed you'd be to hear that from your creator" exactly what happened ultimately

  • June 9, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST

    HOT SLIMY NOOMI TITTIES!

    by Jeremy Jar Binks

    Sorry, just wanted to grab your attention. Wanted to pint out that I watched orig. Alien again just a few days ago in prep for Prometheus, and noticed two things... 1. The original film lingers on the skull of the space jockey just long enough for the last time we see it, and the scene immediately fades into Ripley's face. Already setting up an unconscious parallelism between their race and ours, in 1979...? 2. Lots of Prometheus, Jesus, etc. mythology going on here, but did anyone yet catch the resonances with the Pandora myth (in Hesiod, it's part of the "Prometheus arc")? Girl breaks the jars, lets out all the evils, except one thing... Hope ("We have another one still alive in there"). Of course, Hope turns out in this reading to be a giant Tool-video-guy meanie who goes all "hulk smash". Still, just wanted to put it out there.

  • June 9, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST

    hornosilk

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    you are exactly right...they put Ash on board before they left on their mining mission to ensure they got a specimen back...there will be no retconning it's been established the company knew about these beings from the beginning

  • June 9, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST

    raskolnikov_was_framed which of course connects it to

    by HornOrSilk

    Lovecraft and Quatermass...

  • ...people who like SCIENCE fiction vs. people who think the History Channel Ancient Aliens show is a) true or at least a possible theory and b) deep. That's a difficult gulf to bridge. Those two groups of people might superficially appear to have similar interests when viewed from the outside, but stuff the second group likes will tend to drive the first group up the wall. I don't watch Ancient Aliens and say, 'Wow, that really makes you think, huh?' Because it doesn't. But that's what PROMETHEUS is asking me to do.

  • June 9, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Raskolnikov

    by FluffyUnbound

    2001 played the 'experiment' card, but in a vastly less risible way, by making the monolith into an automated probe, interchangeable with automated probes in other systems tweaking other species. Here it's way too personal. The Engineers were so bent out of shape about Jesus (for fucking what? WHY? Make that a plausible motivation for me) that they destroyed themselves. Humans were so important to them that they killed themselves trying to kill us. Trying to kill us in an idiotic, Rube-Goldberg, Bond-villain sharks with lasers on their heads kind of way, BTW. It doesn't take 'Ultimate Bioweapon of Ultimate Destiny' to wipe out humanity in the year 0. Why not just nuke us from space?

  • June 9, 2012, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Maybe rather than nuke us they wanted to transform us

    by Chowwander

    Our destruction into a new animal, hence no nukes, but vials of mutagenic agent.

  • June 9, 2012, 5:49 p.m. CST

    fluffyunbound Sci-Fi horror has a long history with this theme

    by HornOrSilk

    To say it isn't typical sci-fi is to ignore the history of sci-fi in general. Scif-fi doesn't mean one has to "believe this is how it happened" to enjoy it. One doesn't have to believe in Cthulhu to enjoy Lovecraft. One doesn't have to believe in Martians to enjoy Quatermass and the Pit. Heck, just look to PKD whose stories take place in our past -- they certainly didn't happen as he predicted -- but they are still excellent sci-fi stories. The sci-fi horror genre often deals with the cosmic insignificance of humanity. This cosmic aspect indeed is what makes it sci-fi.

  • June 9, 2012, 5:49 p.m. CST

    "Infestation" on LV-426 derelict

    by Chowwander

    Not sure who above made that statement, but it seemed pretty clear that it wasn't so much infested as it was deliberately carrying that payload. Otherwise, why have those laser sensors there, which Kane tripped and started activating things (eggs)? Just a thought.

  • June 9, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST

    REAL science fiction fans like SCIENCE in their films

    by kolchak

    You know, like the Navi hooking their pony tails up to plants to receive cosmic vibrations.

  • June 9, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Horrorsilk

    by FluffyUnbound

    Absolutely. Somebody somewhere in the corporation knew there was something down on that planet worth having, and they set the crew of the Nostromo up to pay the butcher's bill to get it. Absolutely. SOMEHOW, they knew. But THAT kind of mystery I'm actually OK with. The crew of the Nostromo were grunts. Truck drivers in space. The idea that there was this sphere of corporate intrigue that was completely opaque to them, but which got them killed, was entirely plausible to me. A prequel that set about trying to answer that question - 'How did they know?' - would have been just fine with me. But the answer we were given in PROMETHEUS seems tortured and labored and pretty spectacularly dopey, honestly. In much the same way that 'Papa Lucas, tell us how Darth Vader got his mask!' led to a series of very unsatisfying answers.

  • June 9, 2012, 6 p.m. CST

    David is Indiana Jones.

    by paulmkelly

    While everyone is fiddling with the headless Space Jockey (the German twirling his swords), David cracks the code to the door and heads towards the honey comb (Indy forgoes his whip and shoots the German matter-of-factly). After thinking about events for a little while, I think creation vs. the creator may be the film’s strongest theme. While the Engineer was sleeping for two-thousand years, mankind advanced to the point where they could build a spaceship and show up on the Engineer’s doormat. Hiya daddy! I doubt the Engineers ever expected the humans to evolve to that point. They probably left those “invitations” as a cruel joke. Yeah right. Like these worms will ever develop a means of finding us. Imagine if tadpoles you raised in a fishbowl comes knocking on your door one day. Would your first reaction be to warmly welcome them into your home? Especially if one of them is screaming at you in an alien language and they immediately start showing signs of hostility. As far as the humans go, without David and their fancy machines (the humans’ creations), there would be no sustainable space travel and no fancy surgery machine. Machines have clearly surpassed man in this world, just slightly more subtly than in the Terminator universe.

  • They think it is about answering what happened before Alien. While it gives some clues to it, that is not what Prometheus is about. In this way, Scott is right in saying it isn't a prequel. We also find, to the disappointment of many, the sequence which leads to Alien seems almost like an after-thought here (it isn't, but it seems like it). This is because what leads to Alien is rather unimportant in the scale of things. This is, in a way, for us to feel the cosmic angst of the whole thing. This is Lovecraftian. We expect answers. We are given the cosmos. Voila humanity.

  • June 9, 2012, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Way more questions than answers

    by DarkSeider

    Why? They didn't address this at all, why did the space jockeys want to destroy earth? They were getting ready to travel here to end all life when something went wrong in their "temple" they didn't exactly explain what killed them. Did they intend to create life on Earth by drinking that crap and melting in the water? What was the biologist killed but not Fifield? isn't the whole point of the worm to get inside the body and lay an egg, why kill the host before that? They terraformed Earth? is that what they were trying to do in that planet? they can breathe inside the "temple" but not on the planet surface, So Weyland died on LVwhatever not on the AvP movie? The DNA is an exact match? what was the crap that came out of Shaw then? If that was the thing that popped out of the dead jockeys in the "temple" where did it go? If the DNA is the same why did the Xeno come out of the jockey at the end looking like that and not like what came out of Shaw? Anyone else think the Xeno that popped out of the jockey was WAY too big? there's no physical way that much body mass could have fit inside the jockey's body. The head alone was about the size of his torso when it popped out fully formed. The interior of the Prometheus space ship did not match with the exterior size, what is this some kind of Hogwarts magic trick? Why did the people that painted those cave walls, represent the jockeys when they never met them? With all the advanced technology they had to resort to some complex DNA-altering biological warfare to destroy their targets?

  • June 9, 2012, 6:10 p.m. CST

    There are different kinds of science fiction, to be sure.

    by HornOrSilk

    Some are hard sci-fi, and that often is the most boring. It's hard to have a story when the focus is on the science. Sure you can do it, but it's like having a story whose primary focus is the Pythagorean Theorem, with the focus on the code. Now, hard sci-fi can be used to help other forms of sci-fi, and so can be used to help with the superstructure. This is not as easy as it seems, because when this is attempted, the result is often a failure because the imagination of the science fails the reality. Then there are dramatic sci-fi, where it is often a story which could be told without the sci-fi elements, but they are added there as a kind of frame for the picture. It's interesting, might add some touches, but it really doesn't matter. There is sci-fi horror, which engages the terrors of science. It is the dark underbelly ignored by positivism. Finally, there is philosophical sci-fi. It takes the questioning, theorizing aspect of scientific exploration and speculates. It then finds itself in any of the other genres, but it uses them without being required to follow all their dictates. The point is the exploration, the question, the speculation -- the suggested philosophical idea which emerges from all of this -- and if the other elements get in the way, they can be ignored. "Hard science" doesn't allow the philosophical? The hard science is bunk, based upon false premises. So the universe is new and different than our expectations. Magic is science is often involved here in one fashion or another. And often the people who produce this kind of sci-fi are the most qualified to produce hard sci-fi but see its failing (think Gene Wolfe).

  • June 9, 2012, 6:10 p.m. CST

    darkseider read my post before and after yours

    by HornOrSilk

    I think it will help

  • June 9, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST

    the worms were just snakes.

    by cool_britannia79

    they didn't infect or implant anything. the black goo mutated Fifield.

  • We're an experiment gone wrong but it would be more efficient for them to reuse the materials if possible. Break it down and reboot it, basically. The vials contain immediately mutagenic material that can remake things. Destroying the Earth itself, however, is like burning up your lab, you can't use it anymore. Just a thought.

  • June 9, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Dances with smurfs?

    by cool_britannia79

    Yes it's just a revolution in movie making.

  • June 9, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    by DarkSeider

    Oh and in his old age did Mr. Scott forget that the Xenos popped out of their hosts as "babies" not fully formed?

  • I still remember when I first read CHARIOTS OF THE GODS. I bought it in 4th grade at one of those book fairs they do where they put out piles of books on tables in the gym. I also bought a copy of Charles Berlitz' THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE that day. And that was kind of appropriate, because the two works are pretty much of a pair. It's paranormal bunk directed at rubes...and even in 4th grade I knew that it could be fun to read, but it certainly wasn't real, and it was more than a little bit disreputable. And it's not philosophy, either.