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The JUSTICE LEAGUE Movie In The Works Is Supposedly "Not At All What You Might Expect"

The Kidd here...

So now that Warner Bros. is moving forward with trying to bring together a JUSTICE LEAGUE movie with Will Beall penning the script, you have to be curious as to how they're planning to attack the DC Comics superhero ensemble. 

Are they going to go the fun and more comic-y route that Marvel chose with THE AVENGERS, which has paid off handsomely for them, or are they going to try to maintain the dark and gritty feel that Christopher Nolan made work for his Batman trilogy? If you believe Mark Millar, who supposedly has some inside info, it's going to be the latter.

Posting in the forums of MillarWorld, Millar lays out what he's been hearing about the direction of JUSTICE LEAGUE...

A pal of mine is good friends with the new Justice League screenwriter and said his take on the team is incredible. Very real-world and not at all what you might expect. WB has a chequered history with their superhero characters. They're great with their boy wizards, but less consistent with their DC stable. But my chum said that this could be a thing of beauty and has been in the works for a little while now, not just an avengers knock-off. Best of luck to them. The tidbits I heard sound quite dark and mature, which isn't what I expected. But word on Gangster Squad is great too so I feel this is in really good hands.

A friend of a friend isn't usually the most reliable way to relay information, but I'm willing to believe it, if for no other reason than everyone has been trying to duplicate the Nolan model for any superhero they can get their hands on the last few years, with the exception of Marvel Studios. All we've heard is dark and gritty Superman, Spider-Man, now JUSTICE LEAGUE, with THE DARK KNIGHT being the bar they've been aiming to meet. However, not all superheroes are made with that tone in mind, and sure, they'll have Batman in tow here, but that doesn't mean it'll work for the group as a whole. 

I'm all for seeing a good JUSTICE LEAGUE flick... God knows DC Comics is in need of a worthwhile film franchise outside of Batman. I'm just not sure that "dark and mature" is the way to go here.

 

-Billy Donnelly

"The Infamous Billy The Kidd"

BillyTheKidd@aintitcool.com

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  • June 7, 2012, 11:52 p.m. CST

    WB, DO IT RIGHT OR DON'T FUCKING DO IT AT ALL.

    by tylerzero

  • June 7, 2012, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Now we have Avengers...

    by kusanagiguy

    I just can't seem to care about a live action Justice League movie (the animated justice league is good enough for me)

  • June 7, 2012, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Oh, FUCK first.

    by tylerzero

  • June 7, 2012, 11:52 p.m. CST

    First

    by thepowerrulz

    Who cares....the DC characters don't translate to the screen as well as Marvels. You have to have the human characters that people care about like Stark and Rogers, etc. Nobody cares about Wally West or Cyborg or for that matter..Wonder Woman. Batman and Superman alone won't work.

  • June 7, 2012, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Dark and gritty Aquaman??

    by CountOrlok

    Oooook.

  • June 7, 2012, 11:53 p.m. CST

    by Texbear2000

    I hope we get a dark and gritty wendy and marvin.......

  • June 8, 2012, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Yeah

    by Vicconius

    I'm kinda sick of dark, brooding, psychological, and contrived. Even with Bond. Balance a bit of fun and humor in there.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:06 a.m. CST

    thepowerrulz

    by Daremo

    How about 4th? Pathetic.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Powere Girl in classic costume

    by daggor

    That's all any of us want

  • June 8, 2012, 12:08 a.m. CST

    YES BECAUSE DARK AND ADULT IS EXACTLY WHY AVENGERS MADE A BILLION DOLLARS

    by Centipede Damascus

    Idiots.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Maybe they focus the movie on 2 or 3 of the justice league as a team AND

    by Turd Furgeson

    the foe they face puts them in a position to bring in more heroes... I could easily see a film where BATMAN opens up with a major issue/challenge he can't win on his own, and investigates Superman, finding his secret identity to bring him in, and another hero like Green Lantern.. These are all heroes we've seen on the big screen so far so we can get them easily in the movie... Then, as to introduce the audience to the other members, the team fills out the group as the film progresses... That would set up the other heroes to move onto their own film, creating their own universe without needing to do other films first before justice league..

  • June 8, 2012, 12:17 a.m. CST

    turd furgeson

    by DidntPullOutInTimeCop

    I like it! Sounds like the best way to do the JL movie. Get Sam Jackson to play Batman... wait...

  • June 8, 2012, 12:18 a.m. CST

    "Not At All What You Might Expect"

    by Christian Sylvain

    Well I'm expecting this movie to be a desperate, uninspired knock off, funded by a studio that's only made 3 major DC character film franchises in the past 34 years. So yeah, I think it's exactly what I'm expecting.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:19 a.m. CST

    fuckinamateurman

    by DidntPullOutInTimeCop

    Supes was busy getting penetrated by Keyser Luthor's kryptonite dildo. And Padmé was doing research in Norway, far away from danger... wait...

  • June 8, 2012, 12:22 a.m. CST

    DC don't screw it up like you done with the DCNU.

    by Gremlin517

    DC, you've screwed up the DCNU and especially the JSA, by stupidly recreating your characters and flushing their histories. Please, don't recreate this unabashed idiocy in the movies--try to stick to the classic history and characters that we have all grown up with.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Dan Didio has no idea what the public really wants...

    by Gremlin517

    And Jim Lee's collars will be a laughingstock in five years.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:35 a.m. CST

    "Dark and Mature" is the ONLY way to go here!

    by BeanGrud

  • It's just lip service from studios and moronic rags like EW. Warners isn't going to get their stable of characters together. They just aren't capable of it because that machine is just too damn big and there is way too many people who think they've got the right ideas. Just tell a good story. Simple as that, but they won't do it. They'll just keep throwing "dark and gritty" around; also keep an eye out for "edgy".

  • June 8, 2012, 12:37 a.m. CST

    I don't even want to see a damn JL movie

    by MooseMalloy

  • June 8, 2012, 12:46 a.m. CST

    JUSTICE LEAGUE ... DARK AND MATURE

    by deanmail

    Wonder Woman = rape victim who escapes lifes pain by exploring Amazon rainforest and is initiated into secret sisterhood. Green Lantern = Absinthe drinking insane man with no fear who finds an "inception ring" that makes his green absinthe inspired dark dreams into a reality . Aquaman = Navy seal mutated underwater by nuclear waste from a middle eastern terrorists secret weapons dump on the sea bed. Martian Manhunter = Original Space Jockey from ALIEN . Superman = Kryptonian seeking JUSTICE and revenge on the race that destroyed his planet, everyone else believes Krypton was destroyed by natural causes when its Sun went supernova.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Nolan's Batman movies aren't really Batman...

    by TopHat

    ...they're his attempts of making BLADE RUNNER ...like most of his films. Dude's obsessed with that movie. MAN OF STEEL looks incredibly dark and broody; they even dulled down Superman's suit to gray not blue. WB is obviously listening to Nolan and Goyer on the direction of their superheroes, even though they've hired ALL of the screenwriters from GREEN LANTERN to write Wonder Woman and other properties. Remember, right after GREEN LANTERN the execs were talking about how it failed because it wasn't MORE dark. We're getting a bullshit, Gen X, mid-nineties Justice League movie. Dark, dark, dark. This will be Nolan's legacy. He fucked up the DC superheroes for generations. Just let the man remake BLADE RUNNER so he'll stop fucking up superheroes. Oh, I like his Batman movies ...just saying Batman is A LOT different from the other JL members. Which brings the question ...if they're ALL going to be dark ...then, how is Batman different from them? How is he the paranoid one out? Are we getting dark and brooding Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman ...then a plucky, free-spirit Flash? WB has officially lost it.

  • Maybe bring in one of Supes Villians to Gotham, forcing Bruce to go get Superman, and Write in a way Where Green Lantern gets in with Supes.. Then, one by one get the rest of the team, maybe not all of them, but most, involved in the 2nd and 3rd act.... This could be a GREAT setup for a 2 movie ARC.. Set it up, then give the secondary characters their own movies, then circle around for a JL2 in 5 years as an EPIC conclusion to JL1 and the individual movies... A Justice League Origin movie that doesn't feel like one..... This is the only way I see it happening without it feeling like a darker, but clear Avengers rip off, AND gives JL a way better ending than Avengers.. Avengers is the greatest super hero movie of all time now. The bar has been set REALLY high. WB is going to have to do something really different...

  • June 8, 2012, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Are they going to use the Gay Lantern?

    by Vicconius

    And I'd hate to be on the receiving end of a wife beating Clark Kent.

  • June 8, 2012, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Avengers tried to be grounded in reality as much as possible, but fun

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Batman tries to be grounded in reality. I guess they tried to be grounded with Green Lantern. I'm assuming they're trying to make Superman grounded in reality. The original Batman and Superman movies were very cartoony and over the top. I think it's possible to maintain something close to the Dark Knight tone for Justice League. Not sure if it'll work, but it seems possible. Watchmen pulled it off with a R rating. I'm just worried they're going to suck the fun out of it.

  • June 8, 2012, 1:11 a.m. CST

    What the fuck

    by Rick Webb

    This is postworthy? I heard the new TRANSFORMERS movie is going to be stellar, too. Fuck Millar, fuck this story. Christ, you guys used to be legit. Literally, legit. And hey, Kidd. I have a line on a grrrrrreat JLA movie, so believe me because you want to. What a joke.

  • June 8, 2012, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Here is the problem

    by LowDevil

    DC has no character in their characters except for Batman. Superman does not translate to film. He is too powerful and is soooo boring. Aquaman?? God no Wonder woman???? Cant think of a worse idea on film Hawkman? Could be cool. Green Lantern? We know that answer. DC has really cool villains, which is a shame. So a film with just Batman and Supes could def work but will never be as fun as what we saw in The Avengers. Now if we could only have build up to a Supes/B Batson storyline.

  • June 8, 2012, 1:14 a.m. CST

    z

    by Rick Webb

  • June 8, 2012, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Sorry guys

    by Rick Webb

    z is not acceptable

  • June 8, 2012, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Already got a great JLA movie

    by MongoMike

    It's called New Frontier, adapted from Darwyn Cooke's comic of the same name.

  • June 8, 2012, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Batman vs Justice League before joining works for me

    by the Green Gargantua

  • June 8, 2012, 1:24 a.m. CST

    I can't believe anyone has not called BULLSHIT on this one

    by Rick Webb

    "I heard they're going to eventually sometime thinking about maybe making a great JLA movie sometime hopefully soon" Seriously... What the fuck is this?

  • June 8, 2012, 1:38 a.m. CST

    There are no bad characters, just bad writing.

    by Gabe Athouse

    Any and all of DCs heroes could make a decent movie if you get a solid script, appropriate cast and visionary director. And these are things Marvel have proven to do well, and Warners not so much. I'm rooting for a miracle, here, but I think the show's being run by coked-up stuffed suits the like of which green-lighted the stunningly wrong Green Lantern movie.

  • June 8, 2012, 1:58 a.m. CST

    JLU animated had a good take on Aquaman

    by solvseus

    Cut off his own hand to save his kid from being killed by his jealous bro. Never cared for Aquaman, but that was how to do him. More badass than dark. Never happen that well on film. Dark and broody doesn't always translate without being organic to the story.

  • June 8, 2012, 2:04 a.m. CST

    I am freaking SICK of "Grounded in reality"

    by The Krypton Kid

    What a crock of crap. These are freaking comic book characters. They are meant to be bright, colorful, and larger than life. This brooding, dark, murky, pretentious, pseudo-serious reality crap is completely artificial, completely forced, and completely inappropriate for Superman and Justice League of America. The execs at WB and DC are nothing but packs of morons with their heads up each other's rectums.

  • June 8, 2012, 2:38 a.m. CST

    gritty, dark realistic JLA?

    by Cobb05

    Yeah, cause a guy from Atlantis who talks to fish and a woman in an invisible jet is so realistic. The are morons. The whole point of the JLA is that they are very comic booky. If they went the more fun, comic way, it would be a way better movie. The reason Avengers made so much money was people cause kids and families could go. Making it dark and gritty makes parents less likely to take kids to see it. Superman isn't a dark character. Neither is Wonder Woman or Flash. The good thing about them is the fun element. I'm not saying the movie will suck, cause it's way too early, but it's already starting on the wrong foot.

  • Vegetable Man saves the day from the evil Meat Monsters from spaaaace. The Amazing Human Man puts his friggin shoes on. Enough already. At least in the past these movies were kind of special because only a few ever got made, granted most were bad. Now every other movie is a super powers hero dark snoozefest. I believe there were at least 7 original story plot lines in writing. They couldn`t all have been about the Incredible Cabbage. Where`s Driving Miss Daisy 2: Electric Porta-Loo ?

  • June 8, 2012, 3:51 a.m. CST

    This sounds terrible.

    by P2Rock

    DC Warner movies have no idea what they are doing. Its just really sad. and frustrating. Do Flash and Superman and see what response you get. Marvel got it right cause the individual Avenger films were like practice runs and most importantly did not try to sacrifice the tone of one movie to suit another. Whedon et al. understood that ensemble meant every avenger was different and came from different backgrounds. Not everyone has to be dark and moody cause Batman is... To many dumb ass execs involved to understand the DCU. Rest in peace Justice league.

  • June 8, 2012, 3:56 a.m. CST

    STOP FUCKING UP THE CHARACTERS WARNER BROS.!!!!

    by Anakins_Anal_Douchewater

    The Avengers team got it right because they didn't try to fuck with the CHARACTERS we grew up loving so much. The WB execs are idiots. They keep trying to fid darkness in characters which is the exact WRONG WAY to write the DC heroes. Superman is not a angst-ridden brooding peeping tom ala Superman Returns. The problem with that film was that yeah, Superman Returned, but we didn't recognize him! The Donner Sup[erman worked BECAUSE he was incorruptable...the boy scout...the brightly colored beacon of hope the world needed. Someone to look up to. Changing his costume to darker colors undermines the essence of the character. Superman boring? No way...look at the Donner film to see WHY the character worked...Donner let Superman BE Superman! Wonder Woman? She's a demigod. A fish out of water in the modern world where her Amazon warrior's way conflicts in the world of miranda rights and due process. She could be the MOST interesting character...IF they pay attention to the character. Green Lantern? For aman supposedly chosen to be WITHOUT FEAR the movie sure had him pussing out and not having any balls until parallax threatened the world. Another shameful turning away from his essence as a character. Aquaman? Could be a great character IF they don't change his essence. King of Atlantis...does not trust surface dwellers. Then he has to work with them to fend off a greater threat to the world as a whole...THERE is your drama. Flash? Wise-cracking speedster. Leave him alone. he could steal the movie himself. Manhunter? A loner haunted by his past, stuck with the ability to read the minds of an alien world he feels no kinship to. All the angst you need is right there. Batman? Paranoid...does not trust the power given to all of these other "heroes." Always has a secondary plan in motion ala Tower of Babel/JL: Doom. The point is casting is not the issue to worry about...the DC heroes are more than interesting and the drama comes from these very DIFFERENT archetypes of heroes putting their individual differences and egos aside for the greater good. They're supposed to be HEROES after all, not shades of grey. A threat greater than the individual heroes unites them DESPITE their differences in approach and powers. THIS is what has made the JLA a team worth following for decades. Changing who they are to attract the attention of the "darker, darker!" crowd is a monumental mistake and a disservice to the writers of the comics that made them work in the first place. The inspiration for charaterizations should come from the DC Animated universe...JLU, ANY of the animated features. THEY got them RIGHT!

  • June 8, 2012, 4:10 a.m. CST

    I'm an unabashed fanboy, but this is gonna suck so hard!

    by technosnob

  • June 8, 2012, 4:21 a.m. CST

    "Very real-world." Very NOT what live action JL needs.

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    Someone please send Millar away from comics. And, as others have pointed out, put Timm and Dini in charge. If Brad Bird can do it, so can Timm. It's too bad McDuffie died. He would've been great on this, as well.

  • June 8, 2012, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Never mind all that...

    by Pandas

    The important question is, did he really write "tidbits" rather than the original "titbits" that everyone over this side of the pond still uses? Being British you'd have thought he would. I bet he doesn't say "tidmouse" or "tid-for-tat".

  • June 8, 2012, 5:01 a.m. CST

    the only way a JL film will work is if...

    by isheikher

    ...they reboot Batman, reboot Green Lantern, reboot Superman (after the release of Man of Steel) and introduce a standalone Wonder Woman film. Then, with all these reboots being written/shot with similar tone and direction, it will make more sense when the JL film is released in 2018 YOU BITCHES!

  • June 8, 2012, 5:01 a.m. CST

    So in other words, it's going to be "Heroes?"

    by zillabeast

    Well fuck, I've already seen that. Started hot, faded to oblivion.

  • June 8, 2012, 5:47 a.m. CST

    "I'm just not sure that dark and mature is the way to go here."

    by Executor

    Soooooo....light and immature is your cup of tea? I'm glad your "writing" is limited to quick rehashes of other people's reporting, and not your own articles or films.

  • June 8, 2012, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Serkis for Gleek.

    by adeceasedfan

    That is all.

  • June 8, 2012, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Always with the 'darktone and gritty'

    by SHADOWPRIME

    I'd love to see a JUSTICE LEAGUE set in a 1930s/1940s comic book universe... stylized, not quite real, not campy, but not all 'dark, gritty, pseudorealistic' either. Akin to the (old, old) Superman cartoons, or some of the 1980s (or was that early 90s?) animated Batman stuff. I think more of the DC characters would work, as a team, in that kind of venue. Just IMHO.

  • I dunno, maybe i'm putting too much faith in WB, but I just can't see them trying to apply Nolan's ultra-realism to a JLA movie. It simply could't work. Instead I think the realistic aspect is going to be in the depiction of the characters as real people and not just a 'superheroes'. I can't see them trying to apply real-world explanations to every aspect of the characters.

  • June 8, 2012, 6:24 a.m. CST

    "Very real-world"

    by CuervoJones

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  • June 8, 2012, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Millar sucks - Dini rules

    by CuervoJones

  • June 8, 2012, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Involve Supes, Bats, and a hot wonder woman only

    by Logan_1973

    The rest of the DC characters are way too cooky. I cannot begin to fathom how silly a live action Aquaman would look on film.

  • ......its that simple. The tone , the characters personalities, the attention to the source material detail, the humor, the sense of scale- JLU handled all of that stuff perfectly. If a JL movie can encapsulate the spirit of JLU in a 3 hour movie then the film will be great- maybe even better than the avengers. Also, Paul Dini should be writing this.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:03 a.m. CST

    It will either be the Get-a-long-gang or Batman & Robin 2

    by jellypop

    Yeah.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:14 a.m. CST

    tophat

    by Mattyboy122

    How is Nolan trying to remake Blade Runner? I mean, I know that's his favorite movie and all, and I'm not even a Nolanite, but where are the similarities? Even Batman Begins, the one where most consider he tried to ape Blade Runner, really isn't like Blade Runner at all. Even Nolan's best film (The Prestige) can't hold a candle to Blade Runner. And none of his films look, sound, or feel like Blade Runner, so I don't really get where you're coming from.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Make it period and based on New Frontier!

    by whatevillurks

  • June 8, 2012, 7:22 a.m. CST

    I second the motion

    by Battybrain

    To Call Bullshit. On this story, and on any possibility that WB and DC will get a JLA movie together in the next five years. It doesn't even make sense for the bean counters; why kill potentially five movies with one, when you can make all the rest (of the profits) first? If they're gonna ape Marvel, at least copy the good choices they made. Y'know, like hiring directors who understand story and character (Favreau, Branagh, Whedon). And casting actual actors who fit the role, even if they weren't famous then (Hemsworth).

  • June 8, 2012, 7:22 a.m. CST

    I hate Mark Millar

    by hector

    the person. The creator, I sometimes like, especially his early stuff. But man, the person? It's so obvious he rather be in Hollywood than comics.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Nolan's Batman doesn't work in Justice League

    by tehBIGIvan

    The only reason Batman holds his own in Justice League is because he's "the world's greatest detective." His intellect and power of deduction are what allow him to stand up next to all the heavily super-powered DC heroes. Unfortunately, Nolan underplays that part of Batman to the point that in Dark Knight, Batman's detective skills were less amazing than an episode of CSI. As much as I like Nolan's take on the world of Batman, I am tired of seeing "Dumb Batman" stumble through investigation, and that Batman would look even more useless standing next the some one who can fly, run, or swim super-fast and save everyone from explosions.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:42 a.m. CST

    DC's Kingdom Come = Dark & Gritty & Awesome!

    by EastcoastAvenger

    Story boards are already made there within the pages of the book boys! Go at it!

  • June 8, 2012, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Here's my opinion on how it should work...

    by Norman Colson

    Take the story directly from the animated justice league series... Batman could work, but he's a brooding loner, superman is an idealist but naive and not super intelligent, but superman sees good in batman and brings him into the fold, and they go on a recruitment drive to save the planet. Let them meet a wisecracking flash (wally West, preffered.) and a beautiful wonder woman who came from another dimension or something because theymysceria, couldnt truly exist in our reality, but close by it. And since she's never met men before she adapts quickly but being out of touch can add to the humor factor. Show the origin of the black green lantern john stewart as he goes from U.S. kick ass marine who is powerless to fight the bad guys but is chosen by the green lanterns to protect earth, making him the second one. Aquaman or hawkgirl? hmmmmm Hawkgirl is a cop too, so she could end up trailing the bad guys here to earth pledging her help to fight it with the justice league. So is the martian manhunter who decides to reveal himself, after being on earth he decides to jump into action. But the threat would have to be big, not darkseid big but more like extinction level event type big... It could have humor, love, grittyness, friendship, inner struggle, It sounds like a well rounded movie if they do it right.

  • June 8, 2012, 7:44 a.m. CST

    fuckinamateurman

    by Tanning Chatum

    Nope. In the DCU/DCnU, Superman, despite his power, cannot handle every threat. How is he going to deal with the joker, who kills at a whim, for the joy of it, to prove a point, even behind bars? They had him locked up, he still fucked stuff up. What would Superman have done? He might have helped with the ferry situation and such, but ultimately superman is the wrong type of hero to go toe to toe with the joker.

  • Millar is so full of hyperbole and exaggeration that I never trust anything he says. Dropping tidbits like this to pretend he's some sort of Hollywood insider is typical of his ego-stroking.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Dark and gritty? Sigh. BORING.

    by NeonFrisbee

    Dear DC: I'm not sure if you've been paying attention, (you do realize your rivals just pantsed you with the direct opposite, right?) but people are clamoring for light and more cartoony, not dark and gritty. It must have something to do with living in truly dark, gritty, end times times. The world is falling apart. The country has been in a worsening economic depression for the past 10 years. They want stories that will help them escape and feel happy, not contemplate the depths of existential dread, because everyone is already there. Everyone is already suffering. They want to escape, not wallow. Your only hope is to hire Whedon and have him make another awesome. Also, don't do origin, just start with the team already in place. Everyone knows the characters, you don't have tp lead them down the path they already know. You're welcome.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:30 a.m. CST

    I want my dark and gritty Wonder Twins!

    by Jaster Mareel

    First of all, it will be XXX... And oh the shit that monkey can do with his tail!

  • June 8, 2012, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Dark and Gritty is what killed the Green Lantern movie!

    by Jaster Mareel

    Did they somehow not understand that? GL is supposed to be a light and fun space adventure, not brooding and screaming mutant head expansions and death clouds!

  • June 8, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST

    tehbigivan

    by Tanning Chatum

    Well said. That is my biggest gripe with the Nolan movies. They made Bruce Wayne dumb. He relies on gadgets and his suit, and I guess his fighting skills....but for a man most defined by intellect and willpower, being one of the most highly skilled people on the planet....that was all forgotten. It was not promising from the moment in Batman Begins where he said "Am I meant to understand any of that?" when Lucious describes the cure. YES, HE IS MEANT TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:35 a.m. CST

    fuckinamateurman a shared universe is fine.

    by Tanning Chatum

    Like I said, supes isn't matched to all heroes. What would superman do? The only way those movies would change is that superman would make an appearance, be unable to do anything and have to return to metropolis. To be clear I don't want a shared universe with the nolan movies, because I think he gets batman completely wrong. A batman grounded in reality however, is the way it should be, and would not conflict with a shared universe of more powerful heroes. For your argument to work, there wouldn't be a Batman series at all, because supes would just save the day every time. Sorry, that aint how it works.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:46 a.m. CST

    I dunno, was Timm and McDuffle's run on JLU Dark and Gritty?

    by Stalkeye

    There were a few dark tones during the series (i.e. The question's assassination attempt on would be future President Luthor in order to prevent a Nuclear war.) but it served it's purpose for the story arcs and didnt come off like some pretentious gloomy brooding show. DC is now abbreviated as "Desperate Clowns".

  • June 8, 2012, 8:47 a.m. CST

    deanmail, Good one!

    by Stalkeye

  • 1) Bruce Timm and Paul Dini (not that they live together, but they should be a package deal). 2) Brad Byrd 3) Joss Whedon Please us geeks and whatever money you give these guys will return to you a hundredfold.

  • It wasn't Dini that was the driving force behind JLU, but Bruce Timm's direction and Dwayne McDuffle's unforgettable stories. Last ep Dini had written for the series had Wonder Woman turn into a Pig and in order for her spell to be lifted, Sersi made Batman sing "Am I Blue" to an huge audience. Not what i would call "Dark and gritty".

  • Honestly...this from the man who brought us the Orson Welles directed/Gregory Peck as Batman, Basil Rathbone as the Joker rumor? Millar is widely known as spreading lies and disinformation. Anything reported on what he says should be followed with the disclaimer" "Take it with a grain of salt."

  • June 8, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST

    how can this be taken as news?

    by Bileranter

    He's usually so full of shit that you can't believe a word he says anyway. His twitter feed is like watching someone masturbate. What are you going to post next? Some guy on a blog talking about something he read in Facebook?

  • June 8, 2012, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Millar tends to, ummm...

    by Isaac R.

    ..exaggerate? Grain of salt here my friends.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:30 a.m. CST

    I just watched the animated Doom DC movie.

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    Why not just make something like that live action? WTF DC???? Solid story, shit tons of action, a variety of villains........it's all there and ready to go. Aside from that, there's many great stories waiting to be told onscreen. AND GUESS WHAT? THEY JUST DIVE RIGHT INTO THE ESTABLISHED CHARACTERS....NO FUCKING ORIGINS!

  • June 8, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Here's how it can be set up

    by dukeroberts

    It has to be something geopolitical used as the set up. Maybe it begins at some gala in Gotham City, hosted by Bruce Wayne, welcoming Princess Diana of Themyscira into world society. In attendance, Daily Planet reporters Clark Kent, Lois Lane, decorated fighter pilots Steve Trevor and Hal Jordan, billionaire financier Lex Luthor, an enigmatic thief named Edward Nigma and eco-terrorist Black Manta. Nigma is there to rob all of the high profile rich folks and Manta is there to cause trouble with the whole world watching. Stir. Manta causes a big ruckus. While that is going on, the Riddler takes advantage and attempts to rob Luthor. Luthor admires his gall and Manta's convictions and proposes a partnership financed by him. Well, something like that.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Dark and Edgy JLA

    by Jeremy Jar Binks

    Superman hides in the bathroom and sometimes plays with his thingy. Wonder Woman swears a lot. Good thing Hall of Justice has a swear jar! Martian Manhunter is a literal man hunter... he's in the closet and on the "down low" and of course lovely Aquaman. What would we do without this clown? Of course, in this movie he's a schizophrenic paranoid who sleeps on the beach and talks to the clams...

  • June 8, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST

    None of this will matter if

    by Cymbol

    the new Superman isn't a huge hit. If people hate it, JLA will never happen. It's all on Superman's shoulders now.

  • June 8, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Gritty, realistic heroes? I think we already "Watched" that.

    by gridlockd

    Watchmen was depressing. I can't picture a big green head dude name "Martian Manhunter" downing shots at a bar. Is it gonna be gritty and dark like evil Superman 3 Superman?

  • June 8, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST

    A JLA movie needs to be independant of any current franchises.

    by firewhale

    The biggest problem I've always seen with superhero movies (except Marvel's Avengers movies) is that the title character exists in a vacuum. Superman and Batman in their current movie franchises don't exist in the same universe (the same can be said about Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, X-Men, etc. in the Marvel universe). They don't acknowledge the existence of each other. I'm not saying they needed to show up in each others movies, but their existence would certainly inform the way that all characters acted, and that clearly isn't happening. It could be something as simple as bystander muttering, "Well, he's no Superman..." in a Batman movie. But they haven't done that in any way, shape, or form. This subtle effect is what makes the Avengers set up movies work so well. Marvel made sure the characters existed in the same universe by referencing occurrences and characters across the whole universe. But if they copy the whole Marvel philosophy of setting up the team movie with separate individual movies, it's going to look like a telegraphed copycat move. Plus they're going to have to shoehorn in rewrites and references to JLA into Man of Steel, which Snyder has said exists in a different universe than JLA. The only way I see it working is just jumping into a JLA movie with new actors, new representations of the characters, in a universe where they are all at least aware of each other's existence, even if they don't know each other or work together. Maybe Batman and Superman already know each other and have teamed up a few times. Start the movie with Bats and Supe putting a beatdown on someone and reference it's not the first time they've worked together. Then introduce a villain that requires them to recruit a couple of the other JLAers and go from there...this sets up the stage for future individual movies after JLA instead of before. You could also use the JLA to set up Wonder Woman's origin, since we haven't seen a big screen version of it. But we already know Bat's, Supe's, and GL's origins (even if they aren't from the same cinematic universe). And add Flash and Aquaman (or whoever) in the same way Marvel added Hawkeye and Black Widow, as ancillary characters needing no origin story.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    You want Dark and Gritty?

    by Larry Jay

    Here ya go. Now just make this into a live action movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WYwXer0sgU Why is Geoff Johns Creative Officer for DC Comics but never gets a seat at the table? Because WB controls every aspect of the creative process. They are not interested in pleasing geeks. They want to make money and the only model that they have of accomplishing this goal is Nolan and Goyer's Batman. They're incapable of thinking outside the (money) box.

  • and that it made the classic mistake of rushing through everything. Great movies don't have to be dark and moody but they do need to develop enough to give some semblance of weight to care about the characters. That's where Avengers succeeded besides the simple awesomeness of the "group up". The character's stories had been fleshed out enough to actually care a bit about them. It wasn't perfect, but it was enough to make the rest of the movie damn fun.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Please cast Bridget Regan as Wonder Woman

    by SergeantStedenko

    Not only does look the part, she's gorgeous and Jebus does she got the gams, but she can act and bring both tough as nails and feminine sensitivity to the role. Hollywood, you took my idea to cast Vince Vaughn as Jim Rockford, please take this advice as well.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Mark Millar is a fucking liar.

    by yesiamaplant

    Seriously. Every time something comes out of his mouth about a project not based on one of his books, he's completely full of shit. Remember when he started a hoax about a 1930's Orson Welles Batman movie? How about when Jim Caviezel was absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Superman? He also claims to have been thiiiiiiiiiis far away from brokering a deal to do a trilogy of ultra-budget Superman films with an unidentified "Big Name Director". He's a fucking liar, and he can go fuck himself. STOP PAYING ATTENTION TO HIM.

  • June 8, 2012, 10:32 a.m. CST

    WTF is with this Millar?? Forget JLA for a minute...

    by rocketeuropa

    Millar has GOT to be one of this genre's biggest media whores EVER! "A pal of mine is good friends with the screenwriter..." Christ! What's wrong with this guy?? All Millar seems to do lately is run to the comics press the minute he has a scrap of "so-called" news. If Millar was working for me and I was trying to keep something secret or at least "under-the-radar", he'd find his ass out on the street. Millar is like the kid on the playground that has to spill the beans the minute he's finds any secret to make hself feel important and curry favor with the "big kids" on the block. Grow up you effin' whiner. Ever hear of professionalism? Try it sometime.

  • Unfortunately, no matter what they do now, it's going to look like an Avengers knock-off.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Young Justice

    by photothatdodo

    Personally, I love what they've done with Young Justice cartoons. They have layered stories and a touch of darkness and emotional truth, but nothing that gets in the way of the primary colors and gleaming surfaces that you'd expect out of D.C.

  • Make THAT happen.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    I sure hope it's not true...

    by Tom Fremgen

    WB really have their head further up their @$$es than I would have guessed, if that's their plan. Dark and gritty works for Batman, and that's about it.

  • June 8, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Doesn't Millar do a LOT of pranking/hoaxing?

    by Circean6

  • June 8, 2012, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Dark and Gritty - the Wonder Twins

    by thepoohguy

    Form of a dark and gritty pale of water... Shape of, a dark and gritty obscure mammal...

  • June 8, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    It will be WATCHMEN with League characters

    by Ebixby

    The tone and style will be like watchmen.. only in that world can the current batman and superman co-exist... They should push for an all cgi movie ala the DC ONLINE game intro... Who wouldnt want 2 hours of that?

  • June 8, 2012, noon CST

    The Wonder twins should have a comedic cameo in it

    by SergeantStedenko

    Like maybe they are babysitting Flash's kid or something. And then Baby Flash is crawling at the speed of sound zooming around the house so the Wonder Twins must activate: Form of a humming bird. Form of a butterfly net.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:17 p.m. CST

    hexican

    by K-Gin

    I always got the vibe that Millar really hates superheroes ...I loved Ultimates initially, but the more it went on, the more I detested the supposed good guy characters. They seemed just as homicidal as the bad guys. There are ways to blur the lines between the good guys and bad guys, but having the good guys become murderers isn't the way to go. Oddly enough, the only good thing to come from Civil War was Millar's handling of Stark. Stark has the potential to be a great supervillian.

  • He just looks to fucking stupid in the face to be live-action.

  • June 8, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST

    too^

    by Russell

  • And it was all downhill from there. Millar sucks.

  • June 8, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Maybe they should consider some of the writers from...

    by Joe Damiani

    Justice League Unlimited involved. Or the JLA animated movies. It could help with the group dynamics. And no origin, it really isn't necessary. It could be done in 3-5 minute flashbacks sprinkled throughout

  • See - various announcements he makes about everything. Fun writer, good showman, accuracy not so much.

  • June 8, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST

    No ORIGINS ....

    by Todaysfate

    No origin stories. No introductions. Do this as if the JLA has been already been in buisiness for years. People know who Superman, WonderWoman, Batman, etc are .... Just jump right in. No one needs background on these heroes. People who do can go down to a comic store. Make this an "episode" of a larger arc. ... then go back and make the individual movies with the origins, introductions etc ... as prequels. .... this is the only way to get JLA out there within a half a decade or less. I don't know why hollywood seems like thay have to start over and reintroduce everyone evertime there is a reboot.

  • June 8, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Hmm Boy Wizard versus Superheroes

    by KryptonsLastSon

    You know why WB does the Boy Wizard stuff well, they stuck to the effing source material, thats why. The reason people like the books is the reason why people liked the movie, the book was realized on screen and was faithful (almost completely, nitpickers...) to the book, it made it come alive. If you take the essence of the thing, in this case DC superheroes, and change that when adapting it to a movie you will get ppor results. Iron Man works, faithful (again, mostly). Thor works (sort of), faithful (sort of). Captain America works, faithful. Avengers works, faithful. Batman works because believe it or not what we have seen on the screen for the past several years is pretty faithful to the comics, the Spirit of the current Batman is intact. Make Superman dark and brooding does not work, look at the comics for examples of that as well. Green Lantern dark and edgy works in doses, Emerald Twilight-Dawn, but only if you have the good guy version for years first. Flash is not dark, is not twisted, and will not work that way. If you want that JLA, make The Authority instead you hacks.

  • June 8, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Stark as supervillain was done on Gargoyles

    by CreamCheeseAlchemist

    And isn't Millar the guy who brought us the uterus bomb?

  • June 8, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    "Not At All What You Might Expect"

    by jarhead_h

    Well, after what I've just read I'm expecting it to be shit.

  • June 8, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST

    DC needs to stop letting non-comics people write WB movies

    by jarhead_h

    Joss Whedon is not the only guy in hollywood that can do them, but it's a short list. Look at the Fox Marvel movies, and the Avengers movies: The Fox movies are cheaply made, usually campy, and often utterly and completely horrible, while the Avengers continuity flicks have all been true to source and watchable.

  • First of all, call the damn show what it is - "Green Arrow". Everyone knows it's fucking Green fucking Arrow anyfuckingway. Probably the only people that will watch this know that it's the Green Arrow, but it must be too silly, and this show is gonna try so hard to avoid any silliness that instead it will just be totally ridiculous. Well, the guy playing Oliver Queen can't unclench his jaw when he speaks because HE IS A SERIOUS MOFO! I mean, you can tell because that guy will never smile. Ever. Apparently an island raped him and now he beats up bad guys. He has scar tissue over 80% of his body and bones that haven't healed properly, but he can still run like a jaguar and jump like a monkey blah, blah, blah... That said, "Arrow" could be pretty good. After all, Oliver Queen was one of the more serious cats in the DCU. However, this is WB's intent at play, and it will not work for all DC characters, especially Justice League.

  • June 8, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Just make a good film and respect the property.

    by hallmitchell

    How could DC get The Green Lantern so wrong? Just another stupid CGI fest. Not enough people were fired after The Green Lantern and that worries me.

  • I would trust Brad Bird to do it.

  • June 8, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Opening scene from DC online is a good template...

    by Darth Macchio

    It's not a dark take and it's not a comical shiny happy take - it's a realistic take on these heroes in their own world shown *realistically*... Not shoved into our world and made as realistic as possible so as to remain congruent...in our world. I've always felt that Nolan's Batman was an unspoken and implied "solo" act and that Metropolis wasn't just "the next town over, near Gotham" and that there was no such thing as a "superhero" until Batman showed up. Did they reference Metropolis at all in Nolan's Bat films? I don't recall for sure but I don't think they even mention the city's name. In a way...I think Nolan has inadvertently made it tougher for DC to bring JL to the screen. The money sniffers want to make all of their characters "dark and gritty" but with the exception of certain villains and Bats himself, most of the main DC superheros are not dark or gritty at all. The non-comic "layperson" will not know the difference and will call it repetition but is anyone kidding themselves that those folks are in any way meant to be the intended audience? The intro scene of the DC Online MMO is sweetness indeed...I'm not sure how it all plays out on the page with DC currently (timeline, etc)...but it apparently features an alternate future where major heros are killed and Supes isn't a boyscout but a vessel of rage and fury (with red glowing eyes and 2 days worth of beard scruff...the classic bright red/blue suit but the cape is a bit dirty and shredded). And he's not at all moral about his actions towards Luthor....even killing him... This could be done...but the drive must be passion for the character and universe...if they're starting with competition in mind - fail. If they want to milk Nolan's numbers - fail. If they drop the corny crap (wonder twins) and back off the dark/gritty pretense and just ignore Avengers and Marvel completely, we just might have ourselves a badass little JLA movie. Plus, DC has some really great villains you know...

  • June 8, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Just Don't Give It To Berlanti And Guddenheim

    by THX1968

    Please... I beg of you, WB. Let them have Arrow, that's more than enough, and keep them on TV.

  • June 8, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST

    That's Guggenheim

    by THX1968

  • June 8, 2012, 7:22 p.m. CST

    JLA Problem

    by Craig2574

    The major problem is that the Justice League came together to stop an alien invasion and the Avengers already did that. They might have to have the villains teaming up to take over the world and the JLA has to team up to stop them. They can not use Hal Jordan because that film was not very good. The path must start in next years Man of Steel.

  • June 8, 2012, 8:24 p.m. CST

    WENDY, MARVIN & WONDERDOG, OR GET THE FUCK OUT!!!

    by obijuanmartinez

  • June 9, 2012, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Approach it like WATCHMEN.

    by Johnno

    This could be interesting. The way to do this, in my opinion, if they're indeed taking that approach, is to approach it like 'WATCHMEN' and just throw the audience into a world populated by fantastical characters of heroes and villians. Sort of like what KINGDOM COME and JUSTICE are. Batman = Rosarch (dark, gritty, streetwise) Superman = Dr. Manhattan (Fantastical, alien, virtually unstoppable) Wonderwoman = Ms Jupiter (Strong Female character, also likely romantic interest for Superman? If we're ignoring Lois and going by the Alex Ross titles) Aquaman = Adrian Viedt (Princely, arrogant man of power) Flash = Nightowl (Aside from Batman, Flash could also be the more scientific thoughtful guy who's quickly thinking way beyond the others?) Green Lantern = Comedian (Cocky guy who works for an organization behind the scenes but above the local Earthly politics) ^ Well, more or less, not that the actual characters match exactly, but you get what I'm saying... Approached like this, it could be amazing!

  • June 9, 2012, 3:37 a.m. CST

    by Gareth Holton

    We've already seen how good a justice movie can be: The DC universe online cinematic trailer was fucking epic. Make THAT shit happen.

  • June 9, 2012, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Errrr DC Universe online cinematic trailer showed promise.

    by Gareth Holton

    We've already seen how good a justice movie can be: The DC universe online cinematic trailer was fucking epic. Make THAT shit happen.

  • June 9, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Green Lantern was light and comic booky

    by hoorayforeric

    DC had the light and comic booky movie with Green Lantern and while Dark and Gritty Batman made billions, Green Lantern barely cracked $200 million. I wonder why they'd prefer to go this route. Although...A perfectly cast dark and gritty Giganta using Aquaman's scales as a ped-egg would be entertaining.

  • June 9, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Armie Hammer for JLA's Superman.

    by UltimaRex

    You knew it was coming.

  • June 9, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Lindelof will fix this.

    by Aiden Blackwell

  • June 9, 2012, 4:47 p.m. CST

    by Otter

    "Very Real World".... So we're going to get a SMALLVILLE version of The Justice League. Swell.

  • June 9, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST

    No knock off

    by Full Tilt

    I hope they do take Justice League in a less-comicey direction. Remaking the Avengers with DC characters would be lame. They can go more serious and grounded without it being as "dark and gritty" as Nolan's Batman movies. There's room in between. I'd much rather see them try something new than just crank out the same movie different names Hollywood does so much. That's what I loved about my fav. modern superhero movie, "Superman Returns." It wasn't trying to be "Superman Begins," it wasn't trying to be "Spiderman (in a cape and as a reporter instead of photographer). It was a fresh take on the superhero story. A lot of people didn't like that movie, but i think it had more to do with the kid drifitng it too far away from the accepted S-man myth than the feel. For well over ten bucks a ticket most places for what I'm sure will be 3Dized, we deserve a new movie and not "Avengers: Featuring Wonder Woman and Aquaman."

  • June 10, 2012, midnight CST

    I've had enough gritty. I want a feel-good JLA film.

    by Rorschach1

    I think the Batman franchises end will likely be just as disheartening as any. Always some bad in the good. Don't get me wrong, I love the Nolan series, but I feel like we should be seeing a different side of DC. New 52 aside, there have been major changes to the world of comics. For the most part, we like to see some good things occur, sparingly of course, to our favorite heroes. I think a JLA film should capture the good that the group brings out in all of the heroes involved, rather than a "Gotham and Metropolis burning under the reign of Darkseid, sure hope this ends well, okay close enough to victory" movie. That was '90s. I could use some of the present.

  • June 10, 2012, 4:08 a.m. CST

    Dark and gritty Aquaman

    by tendaiamos

    I'm guessing he's the one at the bottom of the ocean with sand in his tights?

  • June 10, 2012, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Brad Bird directing and Paul Dini writing the script are so....

    by Orbots Commander

    ...'duh' obvious, on who should be handling this property for Warners, that *of course* they'll go completely the opposite direction. At the very least, the studio should be working to get Bird on board to direct.

  • June 11, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST

    LOL Dark & Gritty, seriously? LOL hahahaha

    by Wcwlkr

    That works for Batman, but even as a person that loved The Dark Knight. After the MTV presentation of TDKR I was like whoa slow down. It's Batman not Citizen Kane let's have some fun people. No one's calling for camp, but I felt like Marvel Films have had a healthy balance of drama as well as pure fun.

  • June 11, 2012, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Justice League animated and Young Justice get it right

    by Wcwlkr

    The way DC has handled their animated series is a way you wish they could do their films. The original DCAU series Batman, Superman, and Justice League got it right! And if you do want to go a little darker, while keeping the fun look at their new series Young Justice! That show is phenominal and the way the handle the action and drama is EXCELLENT. Copy that WB if you want to copy anything.

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