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Will The Next X-MEN Be Dealing With Alternative Timelines??
The Kidd here...
While all of us were imagining the possibilities of DAWN OF THE PLANET OF THE APES last week, the release date of the next X-Men movie, currently untitled, was established - July 18, 2014 - rather quietly. Details on where Matthew Vaughn is headed for the next installment are incredibly scarce, and the only real sense we've gotten, from Simon Kinberg no less, is that there will be a heavy dose of Magneto.
But we may now know what's going on with the next X-Men movie... and it could involve multiple timelines.
One of my little birds Weapon X recently dropped me some information that 20th Century Fox had recently registered the title DAYS OF FUTURE PAST with the MPAA Title Registration Bureau. The Bureau exists for studios and productions companies to stake their claims on certain titles that they intend to release and distribute, so that others can stray from using a similar title.
To the average person, DAYS OF FUTURE PAST might not mean anything, but, if you're an X-Men fan, you know this feeds directly into that neighborhood of the Marvel Universe.
DAYS OF FUTURE PAST was a two-issue story arc of the X-Men comics, published by Marvel in 1981, that dealt with alternative timelines. In an alternative future, mutants were incarcerated in internment camps. However, the Kitty Pryde of that time transfers her mind to the Kitty Pryde of now in order to prevent that from ever happening. The assassination of Senator Robert Kelly by the Brotherhood is what sets off this chain of events, and now with the X-Men made aware of the future, they must try to stop it from happening and... well, it's almost like BACK TO THE FUTURE PART II, but with mutants.
This brings Sentinels into the mix, and this also brings forth that alternative future, which still exists on an alternative timeline as opposed to disappearing altogether. Could that be a potential link to the restart of the traditional X-MEN franchise, or the long-rumored X-MEN 4, which could be entirely rebooted without touching the original trilogy of films?
I wouldn't expect the storyline to be followed exactly. However, it sounds very possible that a tweaked version of it may be the way Fox is going with the X-Men.
This sounds like no coincidence.
-Billy Donnelly
"The Infamous Billy The Kidd"
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for alternate realities in the form of reboots.
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congrats to me
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Or not?
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That shit is PLAAAAAYED!
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Right now, FIRST CLASS 2 is the only thing they're actively working towards, with shooting set to commence sometime early next year.
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Can you imagine how awesome that would be? Something along the lines of Old Spock meeting Young Spock like in Star Trek.
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He's the only X-Man to be in every movie so far. Please get Logan in on this.
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It would be fun to see Mojo animated.
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None of this reboot shit. I like X-Men: First Class, and would like to see that series continue as it's own series. I would also like to see the original X-Men movies have a proper ending. X-men 3 wasn't great, but it wasn't terrible either, and it can still fit within the series. Bringing back characters like Cyclops and Jean Grey should not be difficult to do. Even bringing the Professor back shouldn't be too hard. Just don't start putting actors from the original movies into teh prequel series. The Wolverine cameo was good, but time travel would suck. The smart thing to do would be to make 5 movies in each series (10 total). A few Wolverine spinoffs are fine, as long as they don't suck like the first one did (that film needs a Director's cut!)
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Good story from the Glory Days of X-Men, written by the great Chris Claremont, drawn by classic artist John Byrne, inked by Terry Austin. DOFP was NOT a rip-off of Terminator, considering it was published in 1981, three years before the first Terminator movie. Where is Claremont now? The guy basically created the heart and soul of the X-Men, great stories over many years, and is responsible for so much of the characters success. Anyway, I am relatively confident that Vaughn will handle the material well, based on First Class. I hope that if he uses the time travel/alternate-timelines aspect he will clean up the movie continuity a bit and get it more in-line with the X-Men canon from the comics. I used to own them all, but lost them in a move during my college days. I used to subscribe to X-Men as a kid (as well as other Marvel titles), so I had a nice collection. I think they ended up in someone's attic. Hopefully someone found them and put them to good use. I always considered them reader's copies, not collector's, but they were boarded and bagged and in pretty good shape. They were great comics.
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If it's an alternate timeline, will we get a movie that shows us the awesome that COULD have been had FOX not taken a shit on the franchise? That could be awesome...
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I DON'T CARE HOW THEY GET THERE BUT FULL FLEDGED SENTINELS FUCKING SHIT UP IS LOOOOOOOONG OVERDUE.
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Anything. Anything! Please get rid of the turd that came from Ratner.
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DOFP predates terminator by about 3 years (came out in 1981)
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If BillytheKidd is right about the year of the publication date, wouldn't that put it in front of Terminator?
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June 5, 2012, 11:13 a.m. CST
If this means bringing back Stewart and Marsden, I'm all for it.
by Kage
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but Fassbender and Sentinels will have my butt in a seat
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Mainly because her rack is fantastic.
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June 5, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST
Chris Claremont was a time traveler who would go to the future to steal plots and then publish them first.
by cookylamoo
Everyone knows that.
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Petey and Logan's Fastball Special was the only good part of X3 (even though you didn't really see anything). Let's hope they do DOFP justice as this, along with God Loves, Man Kills, were two of the strongest (and my personal favorite) storylines ever to come out of that book. Though, now that I think of it, I really dug that Christmas one-shot with Kitty and the Alien knock-off too..... Just sayin'
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There is no other way to explain the lack of any relationship between Xavier and Mystique. There are some Fantastic Four characters referenced in Days of Future Past (mostly dead, but Franklin Richards alive), and the climax took place in the Baxter Building. A way for Fox to retain the rights of Fantastic Four for a little while longer, killing a bird with two stones?
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with an actor a foot shorter?
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and when done well, it's brilliant. <p> Trouble is, it rarely is and has become very overplayed in TV/Film. Writers see time travel as a 'get out of jail free' card dramatically and rarely put the effort involved into sticking to a logical progression of ideas. That time travel gives writers an 'out' to say to viewers who pay attention 'ah ha, well A no longer leads to B or C' from a narrative structure point of view, then why should I care about what happens when they are just going to cheat their way out of things. Alternative timelines to me says paradoxs, and paradoxs in sci-fi writing usually means shitting on the audiences intelligence or whats gone before just to be able to present certain characters in situations that would have otherwise be unattainable. <p> That said, a good yarn is a good yarn and if done cleverly then I'm fine to let it go. 12 Monkeys, Back To The Future Trilogy and All Good Things from TNG...thats about it. Oh and bizarrely TimeCop - that movie still gets a daft amount of airtime across various channels and whilst being quite naff and absolutely full of plotholes left right and centre, is oddly enjoyable. <p> Mia Saras breasts >> Paradoxs in the space time continuum. Bring on Days of Future Past - the 90's cartoon take on it was pretty good if I remember rightly.
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June 5, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST
just curious about Billy the Kid, and certainly no offense meant...
by TheSeeker7
How could someone go from (apparently, from what I recall) literally not even existing on AICN barely 3-4 months ago, to seeming to be the reporter on like 70% of the items on the site anymore? Just seemed a bit odd to me
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Yay you
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June 5, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST
This was pretty much expected given Laura Shuler-Donner has talked up Days for years.
by Shermdawg
Also the fact that the writers mentioned the next film would probably involve Magneto being involved with JFK's assassination and their interest in using Cable.
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Get McNulty!
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I always wanted to see this storyline as a movie in the original series. I visualized it as a potential crossover for the Marvel characters currently controlled by FOX... you could have had the X-men, Fantastic 4 (come on, the could have called it "X4", it's perfect!), and Daredevil all together in a movie based (obviously loosely due to how many liberties the films have taken with the continuity) on that original story arc. It seemed cool to me, anyway... and if FOX isn't going to release some of the characters to appear in "Marvel Studios" films, a team-up of the characters under their umbrella seems like a logical answer. But what do I know... I obviously don't have the understanding or the intellect of a studio exec.
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Thank god, I'm not the only one to think that
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This was Byrne's story from start to finish. Claremont thought Sentinels were lame and didn't want to do a Sentinel story. Byrne said, "No, you only write them as lame," and came up with "Days of Future Past" as a story to show how badass the sentinels could be. He had them basically destroy the Marvel Universe. Claremont scripted off Byrne's plot and pencils. Claremont's big contribution was to leave the story open ended. Byrne plotted the story as a clear win so that the Sentinel future would be wiped out by Kitty's quest. Claremont scripted it so that the Sentinel timeline still existed-- basically meaning Kitty's quest was a failure (at least for her and her timeline). You might notice that nearly every story arc Claremont did with Byrne is a classic, and the dozens and dozens that came after Byrne are nearly all forgotten (or should be forgotten). I wonder why?
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. . . but after seeing Avengers, I say REBOOT, REBOOT, REBOOT. Original team. Then all new, all different team. Keep doing it as long as you want. I don't care if we get the Outback and Gateway . . . Oh wait, they can stop at Gambit and Bishop. They suck and so does everthing after they show up . . .
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But unless Claremont agrees it's just Canadian hot air.
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June 5, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST
Magneto would spear iron man with wolverine. Or crush iron man into a ball and shove the ball all through wolverine just to torture him
by UltraTron
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Sounds like they (the animated series) changed alot from the comic, but still. this could be very bad ass.
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June 5, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST
I could see magneto pulling down skyscrapers to escape hulk's rampage.
by UltraTron
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June 5, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST
This franchise is already too incoherent WITHOUT time travel.
by Christian Sylvain
First we start off with bryan singer's moderately good X-Men film's. Then we get that abomination of a third film that completely shits on the previous two. Then we get Wolverine, which has so little continuity with the previous films, that it's practically a reboot. And finally Fox makes First Class which functions as a semi reboot on it's own. The lack of consistency just makes the franchise less and less interesting as time goes by.
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June 5, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST
Magneto could tie a skyscraper around hulk and then lop off his head with wolverine
by UltraTron
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...saucy
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*'scuse me while I fly my geek flag high* As long as Kitty maintains her 'phasing' form, and can get close enough, she could rip Magneto's heart right out of his chest.
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Colossus doesnt need a spinning start to throw Logan. He just needs to reach back with one arm and grab a belt buckle.
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June 5, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST
Ya got me there. Theoretically night crawler could appear inside his rib cage I suppose
by UltraTron
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How cool would it be to start this movie with the end of the world? Bring back Ian McKellon and Patrick Stewart and Hugh Jackman.....just show everything going to shit because of a decision Magneto made in the past. It probably wont happen,but why not replace Cable/Bishop(I cant remember which one came back from the future) with Wolverine? This could be good....
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June 5, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST
So what happens if your cut off hulk's head. Does he Fukashima leak death all over us that we won't know about for a few years?
by UltraTron
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Interesting, I hadn't heard that, but it has been years since I've read the comics. Where did you get this information? I am reluctant to put Byrne's writing ability before Claremont's. Byrne is a great comicbook artist, but almost everything of his that I have read when he was sole writer seemed kind of flat (excepting Alpha Flight, which I thought was fun and new). His Superman and Fantastic Four stuff looked great, but I was never overly impressed by his stories, per se. On the other hand, I've always found Claremont's stuff entertaining, if a bit soap opera-like. Keep in mind I was reading and collecting this stuff as a teen, but I think Claremont's genius with the X-Men was to combine superpowers, good-vs-evil fights, and all the melodrama of private high school soap opera. It was a clever mix considering the main demo of the comic-book reading audience at the time. In any case, the above is just my dimly remembered opinion from a long time ago. I am sure that there is a lot of insider info on this stuff in the comics/collecting world. I'd be happy to entertain other views on the matter. Ultimately, I enjoyed the hell out of those Claremont/Byrne issues, and they were obviously a good team, maybe better together than they were apart
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Let wolvie be an ugly mofo this time.
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they put Tomb Raider on but forgot SNAKE??!
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fucking stupid of me.
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June 5, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST
Magneto can be beaten by a helluva lot of marvel heroes. The Vision could destroy Magneto by phasing or Wonder Man could destroy him with pure energy
by rosetta the stoned
Wanda could hex him out of existence, pietro could run so fast remove his helmet and hit him upside his skull without fear of being seen. Piertor could also just remove the helmet and Xavier could blast him from afar. Sue storm could enclose him in a force field and suffocate him.
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About time. Should have introduced those guys in IM 2. They were probably giving loki tech support.
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June 5, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST
http://wobblyone.deviantart.com/art/X-Men-Days-of-Future-Past-31139070
by Cedric Ford
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Carnage, Mr. Sinister, Shocker, Electro, Bullseye, or Mystero. In other words, he's probably be a better fit as a villain in a future sequel to Amazing Spider Man. Although I think he could be a great Mr. Sinister. But it would be awesome to cast him as Dr. Strange.
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I'm telling you, Apocalypse would be the perfect villain for First Class 2. Build up his menace with archaeological findings and a cult seeking to awaken him a la Call of Cthulhu. Have them succeed, with Apocalypse and maybe the Horsemen ruining everyone's shit. The X-Men and the Brotherhood have to team up to stand any chance of taking him down. And for the love of god, don't kill him. Have the attack drive him back into stasis or something.
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Simular concept just switch Sentinals for Terminators. Jim you, plagurist you.
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June 5, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST
How about a movie with Magneto in the Terminator Future?
by Tikidonkeypunch
I know, I know, it's basically just Days of Future Past. Sue me, or better yet, sue Cameron. Wait, why not get Cameron to Direct Days of Future Past??? Oh yeah, he's too busy fucking blue cats at the moment.
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Dude, take puff on some of this here dragon and lemme ejicate ya. Byrne suffered from the same disease that Kirby had, awesome storyteller, horrible writer. But, but simply because he sucked with dialogue does not mean that his overall story/plot/vision was any less than what Claremont did and in many ways - just as with Kirby and Lee, it was greater. Just look at the freshness that he brought to the Fantastic Fou (Sue storms powers) and Man of Steel (Superman's humanity and powers). The stories themselves may not have all been classics, but the way he reinterpreted and enhanced old characters without ruining their classic appeal was tremendous. Claremont and Byrne needed one another to rein in both of their tendencies for excess. Xmen after Byrne was a Claremont ego fest run amuck that mostly paled in comparison to when they were together. Byrnes ideas, given free creative expression in FF and MoS (lets pretend West Coast Avengers never happened) blossomed, but his dialogue could never approach what Claremont brought.
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FFS, make it happen!!!
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June 5, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST
I would love it if they went this route. Just adds another variable for fun weirdness to occur.
by smudgewhat
Fassbender/McAvoy for President.
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June 5, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST
Art from adversity, Claremont and Byrne were never better than at the times they fought over X-Men
by BEHEM Pascal
More than thirty years later, their run is the point of comparison to every comics ever made since. And I'm not talking to just about X-Men. Oh, and Jim Shooter for his decision to kill off Jean Grey...
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That makes sense. As I remember them, Byrne's FF and Superman DID have good ideas and made the characters more coherent. Maybe the flatness I remeber is from Byrne's limitations with dialogue. Thanks for the info. Damn, I wish I still had my old comics. I could just go back and re-read them and figure it out myself.
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This story is a natural fit for an X-Men movie, and if done properly it will be a kick-ass, dark and serious mutant movie where the mutants actually unleash their powers en masse in large scale battle. The "mutant zulu charge" at the end of X3 surely doesn't count.
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And no, he can't lift Thor's Hammer.
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That statement of yours is ignorin some mighty powful history there youngun - here take a puff on this here dragon and lemme ejicate ya some. Byrne and Claremont were indeed and awesome combo, but the same could be said of Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams on GL/GA or David Michlenie and Bob Layton on Iron Man, and lets not forget the greatest tandem of them all, Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Perspective is sometimes needed
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June 5, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST
The point of Days of Future Past was to stop an assasination
by zyuray2
So they may just replace Senator Kelly with JFK in this,
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So by that logic anyone could pick up the hammer if it were on a tray by just picking up the tray.
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June 5, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST
DO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO IN ORDER TO IGNOR EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED IN THE 1ST THREE X-FAILS
by the Green Gargantua
That is all.
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Oh, fuck. If there's one thing that bores me to absolute fucking death about the 'X-Men' films, it's Magneto as the omnipresent villain (oh, okay, and Wolverine). It's like watching 'Battle of the Planets', where every episode had the good guys fighting that masked guy who sported the shiny purple lipstick.
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June 5, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST
barron34 - yes, the magic dragon does provide the path to enlightenment
by rosetta the stoned
and the county lock-up if ya gets caught by the man!
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June 5, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST
scratchmonkey -just be thankful he is not a real estate agent
by rosetta the stoned
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All these were before Claremont and Byrne's X-Men. Have you read "the point of comparison to every comics ever made since". A sense of calendar helps, too.
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June 5, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST
Kidd..."In an alternative future, mutants were incarcerated in internment camps." doesnt' quite cut it.
by ravenloff
Sure, that happened, but the Sentinels did a Skynet and wiped out the human authorities in order to better comply with their mission directives. Non-mutant superhumans were also killed and that future was a post-apocalyptic nightmare ruled by giant robots. That would get my ass in the seat far faster than "Back To The Future" with mutants.
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That was some kind of major fucking bullshit with the retardedly powered Red Hulk lifting Mjolnir in space. And FUCK the Ultimates Hulk lifting Mjolnir while I'm at it.
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Dude, Micheline and Layton were concurrent to Byrne and Claremont, but I meant no friction. Here take a puff on this here dragon peace pipe and let the good time vibes flow through ya
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In all reality X-Men was just ok. I loved X2 loathed with a passion X3 & outside of the title sequence for Wolverine I wish that film never existed. So if a Days of Future Past wipes those atrocities away and we get more of the universe similar to X-Men First Class. THEN I'M ALL FOR IT! In a perfect world the Marvel Studios would be able to get a hold of X-Men again and incorporate it into the beautiful Marvel Movie Universe they're creating. But we all know X-Men & Spider-Man are lost to us forever.
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First, the credits read Claremont/Byrne co-plotters. They shared credit, but each story started with one of them or the other. Both Claremont and Byrne describe this story as Byrne's in interviews given at the time. At this point in their collaboration, Byrne wanted to finally give the X-Men a clear "win" story (because Claremont tended to lace any victory with an element of loss). And Byrne wanted to do a Sentinel story. Claremont resisted both up to this point when Byrne came up with DOFP. Second, Claremont had already done his version of the Sentinels in an earlier story with Dave Cockrum. He wrote them as lame and easily defeated. That's why he didn't want to do another Sentinel story when Byrne came on board. Third, look at the stories Claremont went on to write vs. the stories Byrne went on to write. Claremont sticks to character development. His X-Men just kept spinning around the two stories he did with Byrne: The Dark Phoenix Saga and Days of Future Past. But Byrne went on to write FF, Alpha Flight, Superman and Avengers West Coast where he repeatedly tore things down with game-changing story arcs. For better or worse, Days of Future Past was a Byrne story.
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June 5, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST
Composite_Ghost it might've just been me but I felt like they said to Hell with those movies
by Wcwlkr
Which frankly I'm cool with. Yeah it had nods to them with Hugh Jackman which was the best cameo ever. And Rebecca Stamos, but outside of that I felt like everything they did was inconsistent with the supposed Future X-Men movies. A Bald Professor X was walking at the end of Wolverine. So if they want to say to hell with those and start again. I'm more than happy with it.
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Although the original X-Men is responsible for the flood of comic book adaptations in the 00s and 10s, they were never that close to the comics. Just look at Jackman, a man who's 6'2, 210, playing a character who's 5'3, 190. That's a different frame. Fox should stop now, give up the rights, and let it lie for a good 6-10 years before anybody touches it again.
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Too short? Maybe. Pure badass? Hell yeah.
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June 5, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST
They could go back in time splitting the continuum between the original films and the reboot
by garagons
Or they can just pretend X3 and Wolverine didn't exist. And time travel also means: Apocalypse! (Bill Nighy) Cable! (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) Bishop! (The Rock)L
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June 5, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST
Dinklage is Alpha Flights Puck with a lot more hair
by rosetta the stoned
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Only if that rumour for the last film was true.!
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Then again it might get me too hyped.
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Honestly,the best thing about any of these X-Men movies is always Hugh Jackman...hell,he was the best thing about FIRST CLASS and he was only it it for a few seconds. More Wolverine equals More $$$.
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Terminator got it from Days of Future Past who got it from a Dr. Who episode. This according to John Byrne.
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June 5, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST
Jesus, all of this instead of just rebooting and making a proper X-Men movie?
by TopHat
This is the effect of commerce over everything. They're doing all of this just because of Hugh Jackman and Wolverine. They don't want to lose their X-Men cash cow. So, we get all this timeline, prequels, sequels, bullshit. I want a Marvel X-Men movie. I've been stuck with this 20th Century Fox Singer/Donner crap for TWELVE years now. No matter what storyline they use, its going to be underwhelming because Fox just doesn't know how to make comic book adaptations, or, just doesn't want to. This is just like THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN: As long as we accept whatever mundane crap they give us, just to see our favorite characters, then we're never going to get proper adaptations or, in the very least, entertaining blockbusters. Donner, especially, has obviously been obsessed with this Days of Future Past storyline; I remember reading interviews with her years ago talking about it. She believes its something that will get fans excited and thus, make the movie earn more. Its not because she believes its a great story that can better serve the characters: Let's face it, to people who have never read an X-Men comic its just BACK TO THE FUTURE or THE TEMINATOR. We can't fall for this.
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June 5, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST
Bring in wolverine in 60s hooded garb. Ya know? The first time wolverine in actual costume is seen
by UltraTron
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June 5, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST
Imagine if batman had never worn the mask on film. That's wolverine
by UltraTron
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June 5, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST
I wish Marvel Studios could get the rights back to X-Men & Spider-Man but I think that ship has sailed
by Wcwlkr
It's unfortunate but it would be a dream come true if they could. But we all know Sony & Fox will just keep throwing movies out there so they keep the rights. All we can do is hope that talented people get on board. Or we could give it the Daredevil & FF treatment and boycott it so it can fall back into Marvel's hands ala those forementioned properties. But we'll all go see Spidey regardless the fears. And X-Men First Class was good I can't deny that.
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and besides Perez' Crisis on Infinite Earth quite possible the greatest comic book stoyline PERIOD!
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June 5, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST
You fools. Magneto doesn't simply 'control metal.' He controls electromagnetic fields. His power class is WAY above what the movies give him.
by Aaron
I always hated that in the movies, Magneto could only control metal. Total misinterpretation of his ability to manipulate the very magnetic field of the earth itself (as he describes in the Jim Lee 90s X-Men run, issue 1 or 2). That part,in X3, where he tries to stop the army but they have plastic weapons? Total rubbish. Wouldn't stop Magneto for a second.
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Stephen Lang (the bad guy from Avatar) would make a perfect Cable, he even talks about it in an interview about a year ago
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June 5, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST
theres a 2 part terminator comic entitled 'All My Futures Past'
by CARTMANEZ
http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Terminator:_All_My_Future's_Past they were done pre T2 in 1990 part 2 was pretty much how i expected a future war Terminator film would be (boy was i wrong)
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Talkbackers mentioned Glactus, Galactus is not human, he only takes human form, he is made entirely of cosmic energy, so there is no iron in his blood for magneto to control. As far as crashing skyscrapers on the hulk, Gravitron tried that, go watch the first 2 episodes of Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes for one of the greatest Hulk battles you'll ever see. Now...Magneto vs Gravitron...that is a battle id like to see.
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Hot damn, I like the way you think.
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June 5, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST
How do you have an X-Men team without Cyclops as team leader?
by Thanos0145
This franchise is one big mess. I wonder what FOX is now thinking with the global success that The Avengers is now having with them controlling the film rights to arguably the most popular superhero team.
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.. the point is that it can't be lifted by lifting what's underneath it.
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Yawn. Right now the only thing that remotely interests me is the mention of Kitty Pryde, because Ellen Page played her in Last Stand and in the back of my head there's a (pretty much non-existent) chance she'll be back. But she won't be. I wanted to love First Class, I really did. It just left me cold.
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The fact is, doing an X-Men movie without Magneto is like doing a Star Wars film without Darth Vader. He is essential to the story - just as much as Professor X is. Magneto is more than just a villain, and comparing him to Lex Luthor is silly.
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Dude, i think Sony needs to take a puff on this here dragon whiles i ejicate them on the perils of having the ' the most popular team' of superheroes but not necessarily the team with the most popular heroes. Outside of Wolverine and maybe magneto Xmen are almost nil on the gen pops radar screen for recognizable characters. Whereas, Avengers and JLA literally have all-star line-ups. Sony probably does not have the balls to do solo adventures other than with wolverine and maybe mags, but it still would not help much. They need a strong, coherent central vision. With X2 they were tracking down that line, but went off the rails with X3, which is not a stinker but still plays like a paint by the numbers
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June 5, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST
can they jump into an alternate reality - ours - and stop x3 from being made?
by Obscura
along with that silly wolverine movie.
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June 5, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST
Dinklage could play MODOK. Too much self respect probably. Never mind.
by dahveed1972
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Seriously - he's as boring as Lex Luthor, and just as over-used. Don't the X-Men have anyone else to fight??
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How the fuck was he looked over for Hugh Jackoff? Danzig not only looked the part, Height (..well, just as short as Logan.) Muskles and a bad attitude. But nooo they turned Wolvie into some romantic wuss w/tears in X3. Seriously, what the fuck was Fox thinking?
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June 5, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST
Lang for Nick Fury as well. That's if they didnt decide to go with Ultimates' Fury.
by Stalkeye
If not Steven Lang, there's always Jeffery Dean Morgan.
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June 5, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST
Dinklage for MODOK? Why not? Plenty of Thespians are involved in Comic based films. it's doable especially if there are incentive$.
by Stalkeye
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Tying the film to the original trilogy by showing Hugh Jackman and Rebecca Romjin was stupid. They really should have done a true reboot. But FOX is so damn greedy. Professor X and Magneto, Rose Byrne, Kevin Bacon and the setting were all good. The choice of young mutants (with the exception of Mystique) was stupid. It would have been cool to see a new Jean, Cyclops, Iceman and completely wash away the first 3 movies and that horrid Wolverine and just started the fuck over. I'm indifferent to a sequel to First Class because it's only going to make the timeline even more convoluted...
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In addition to those inconsistencies, Havok is supposed to be Cyclops' younger brother. I still can't tell if First Class was meant to be a prequel or a reboot.
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This is Fox and Singer we are talking about here. They will take the Days of Future Past storyline, water it down, place it in a filter, then put it through a sanitation process, change characters personalities, costumes Powers will be toned down. Eventually we will get yet another watered down version of the Xmen. First Class was a good film, just not a good interpretation of the Xmen. Maybe they can learn from the Avengers and embrace the absurdity of the comic while respecting it, and give us the truly epic Xmen film that will have all been waiting for. But I doubt it.
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June 5, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST
-- First Class is already a reboot -- I hate when people say this.
by fat_rancor_keeper
It wasn't. As I've said before - a true X-Men reboot would have featured the classic X-team. They wouldn't have gone out of their way to use characters who either weren't in the movies before or younger versions of beast and Mystique. Hugh Jackman also would never have had a came nor would Rebecca Stamos. First Class was not a reboot. It was a cool prequel with minor continuity issues.
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...will be all Moody Blues. A heavy dose of Tuesday Afternoon and Nights in White Satin. Oh, wait, that was Days of Future Passed, not Days of Future Past. My bad.
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Before the movies, what average person would've known who Iron Man, Thor, Hawkeye, Nick Fury, or Black Widow were. It helps greatly if a super team has a rich history like the X-Men have (God Loves/Man Kills, Dark Phoenix Saga, Mutant Massacre to name a few). The X-Men don't need a God like threat like Thanos or Darkseid in order for there to be a reason like the Avengers or JLA to be a team.
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It could go either way, it has obvious connections pandering to the existing films, yet they have blatant contradictions with them too. I think they should reboot, keep Hugh Jackman that's fine I don't care.
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There are countless brilliant storylines throughout X history that don't rely on Magneto as protagonist. It's a lazy device that seems to have become de rigeur in recent years (unfortunately, in the comics, as well as the films), and is completely unnecessary. It's very limiting as to what they can achieve in the films. There's such a rich universe they could mine from the last 50-60 years.
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They've got to stop eating those mushrooms in editorial.
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June 5, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST
Cast an actual long-haired black guy for Bishop
by Get_Me_An_18-Man_Fire_Team_In_12_Hours
Not The Rock. Geez. And, no, I have no idea who.
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It references the comics while possibly negating the shit heap that was X3. And it isn't a precedent. The Star Trek reboot used the "alternate timeline" approach and it worked very well.
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Should've been solely based around Xavier and Lehnsherr with no shitty, throwaway mutant team. It completely botches the supposed deep, meaningful friendship the two actually have. Spending a week together, Xavier making Magneto cry, then him deciding "oh hey, I'm gonna be a bad guy and I'm taking this blue chick with me" was weak sauce. I understand Fox had reservations about another X film, but it was so rushed along and force to be tied up in a nice little bow by the end that none of it felt believable. The lack of faith on Fox's part is painfully apparent as I'm sure First Class was initially born of the necessity to hang on to the rights for a little bit longer. It had chance to breathe or flesh out a real story. A shame really, as the few bits we get into Fassbender and McAvoy really trying to dig into their characters were brilliant. Too late to go back now though. Sucks.
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June 5, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST
First Class was great, but they rushed the arc. Magneto should turn "bad" in part three.
by CodeName
I loved it when Fassbender was fighting righteously. Man, would love to have seen him scalping more Nazis.
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June 5, 2012, 5:42 p.m. CST
I agree, Stephen Lang would be a badass Cable! Never even thought about that.
by AcesUp
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June 5, 2012, 5:44 p.m. CST
Idris Elba would be a great Bishop acting wise, I just think he would look funny with long hair.
by AcesUp
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Dude, take a hit on this here dragon an lemme ejicate ya. The names Iron Man,and Thor are iconic outside of the marvel universe. Iron Man was in usage long before Tony Stark took the mantle, and although Norse mythology aint exactly on par with Greek, the name Thor is very well known. Even if the gen pop did not know who Tony Stark was before RDJ, and still do not have a clue about Don Blake, the names Iron Man and Thor provide far greater name recognition than nightcrawler and Storm. Now to be fair Cyclops, Phoenix and Colossus do have a fair bit of recognition value for the hardcore myth lovers, but guess what? When you add Hulk and Captain America into the mix - which are unquestionably iconic comic book characters known worldwide, well then Avengers has Xmen beat very badly on name recognition scale. I will not even go into JLA As far as storyline's and which team needs to have a villain to define them, well it seems to me that you are looking at it from the wrong side of the lens. That is you appear to be The gen pop may not know much about Xmen stories but they probably have heard of Magneto before they Heard of the sentinesl or Gos Loves etc
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No, seriously....
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June 5, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST
@thanos0145 - i've beeen smokin too much of my own dragon
by rosetta the stoned
hit the wrong key and it posted before i finished mah thought or cleaned up the errors. Was gonna say you appear to be a comic book lover but the gen pop probably only knows the big themes not the intimate details i.e. they have heard of magneto but not of the God Loves story line. Also, as to which team needs a big villain to define them, well Magneto has always defined Xmen. Claremont and others tried there best to come up with alternatives but none have ever held a candle to Mags. Xmen threats were usually more domestic, whereas Avengers were formed to face worldwide crisis. Now of course that is not always the case, but it is not fair to comapre them in that manner.
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June 5, 2012, 6:22 p.m. CST
still doin too much dragon - pardon the misspelled words
by rosetta the stoned
this some good shit
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maybe the smartest and coolest of all comic book animals outside of pre-nervous breakdown Sim's, cerebus
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June 5, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST
they should go my route and have it tie directly in with an Xmen 4 that IS in the original timeline
by Rebel Scumb
it would be the first chance in a franchise history for characters to time travel from a prequel into a sequel, since technically Fox can have sequels both following X:FX AND X3 being released at the same time without bumping into each other.
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June 5, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST
First class again...the next generation...the new recruits...and so on
by jellypop
will bore me to tears like the first movie did. Rose Bryne aside in her underwear it was pants.
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Good call on Idris Elba and Stephen Lang
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June 5, 2012, 6:47 p.m. CST
Cable is a fucking Rob Liefeld non-character. He and Bishop are not part of the DOFP story either.
by Autodidact
Maybe if some of you fanboys read comics from before the Image era you would know that.
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June 5, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST
I Don't Understand the Thinking Behind First Class Being a "Kind-Of" or "Mini" Reboot
by fain88
It was a FULL ON reboot. Putting the Xavier/Mystique relationship to the side, there are QUITE a few niggling continuity slips that make me think "First Class" couldn't possibly be in the same universe/timeline/what-have-you as the other three X-Men flicks. In "X-Men", Xavier tells Logan he helped Magneto build his helmet. In "First Class", Shaw builds it and Magneto steals it. In "X2/X-Men: United", a Hank McCoy w/o Beast-blue fur makes a cameo, before returning as full-on Beast in "X-Men: The Last Stand". In "First Class", he's already turned blue-beast by the end of the film. Not to mention the weirdness of his age, if he was a strapping 20-something in the 60s--that'd make the Kelsey Grammer incarnation....70? Or so? And if Alex really is Scott's LITTLE brother...well, you can do the math. Just too many things different. I just went with the assumption that it was a complete and total reboot.
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Really is a classic. And they could do a WHOLE lot with that premise, like some here have suggested and bring in other time travelers such as Bishop and Cable--sort of how they integrated all those stories together for X-Men: The Animated Series. But TAS always had a way of handling the crazy-out-there comic stories coherently and even adding to them...animation probably helps. But "Days of Future Past" was bought by 20th Century Fox--is that, like, the branch of Fox that deals EXCLUSIVELY with film? Or could this be for a direct-to-DVD animated something-or-other (not that that would be anything to sneeze at)? Just want to make sure we're not jumping to conclusions.
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June 5, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST
Do some time travel shig-a-ma-boo / DoFP riff with Fassbender & McAvoy &, bang, new guys in the caught-up continuity
by Tall_Boy6t6
Bishop, Cable, whoever, travels back to the First Class era, yanks Fassbender / McAvoy Magneto / Xavier to the future then, bang, there's your franchise moving onward. It's time travel, you can do a lot of stuff like that.
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I thought it was as bad as X3. Some horrible performances and just really bad pacing.
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I would hate for an X-men movie to give credibility to the whole JFK magic bullet conspiracy nonsense. Oliver Stone was bad enough at it with his movie. Also I keep trying to upvote and downvote some of these comment.
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is senator kelly coming back? did he already?
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June 5, 2012, 7:54 p.m. CST
re: In "X-Men", Xavier tells Logan he helped Magneto build his helmet. In "First Class", Shaw builds it and Magneto steals it.
by Jake Pantlin
Ummm... I'm pretty sure the helmet he was wearing in First Class wasn't the same helmet he was wearing in X-Men 1 to 3. In fact, it is completely different in shape and design. Who is to say that Charles didn't make him a new one? Why he would do this? Who knows. Charles does wacky stuff.
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June 5, 2012, 8:12 p.m. CST
This joke has probably been made 1000 times already but...
by John Baker
Have they considered Second Class?
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The movie (X1) says Magento helped Xavier build CEREBRO. Which ends up being bullshit in X 1stClass. This always botherd me; in X1, when Prof X can't stop Magneto from taking Rogue at the train station, he controls Sabretooth to choke Magneto. Um, why not control Sabretooth to REMOVE HIS HELMET?
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X4 Days of Future past could give a poignant end to the characters in the OG trilogy, and make way for more first class sequels. I vote yes on DoFP
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June 5, 2012, 9:42 p.m. CST
@philjacksonisthemasterofzen you think a story where a mutant controls a bullet with his mind gives credibility to JFK conspiracy theorists?
by Kevin Spellman
Also, when will you return to coaching in the NBA?
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June 5, 2012, 10:20 p.m. CST
Most of the people here are thinking about the early 90s animated series' version of DOFP...
by TopHat
...in THAT version Bishop is involved. ...and Nimrod. ...and Forge. ...and Wolverine. ...oh Jesus. ...that's what they're doing. ...they're fucking up Days of Future Past just to wedge in Hugh Jackman. ...wanna guess how you know a movie studio doesn't know what the fuck its doing with a comic book adaptation? ...when they have characters like Jean Grey, Iceman, Beast, Angel and Cyclops. ...and they focus on a six-foot-two guy with knives coming out of his hands. ...20th Century Fox. ...the studio of the future.
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When are we going to get some Sydney Pollack reboots? Chris Evans in "Absence of Malice" etc???
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Don't make us time travel again to fix the failures of the past!
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ideas on this talkback (and a lot of TB's) are better than what we end up getting in the actual films? The studios rarely seem to go the popular route. This could be great... *Start in the future, have Wolverine (Jackman), maybe McKellan and/or Stewart there, fighting sentinals, world gone to shit. *Someone (Cable) has to go back in time to prevent JFK assination. *JFK is a mutant and it's an anti-mutant activist who shoots him. *Magneto not saving JFK sends him more to "the dark side". *Be nice to have Apocalypse involved somehow. Give me $100m and i'll make it great for ya
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That'll work!
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June 5, 2012, 10:39 p.m. CST
They should make Mystique the time traveller, not Kitty Pryde.
by Zardoz
Then young Mystique can stop old Mystique from killing Senator Kelly! (And Magneto in the future is in a wheelchair and a pacifist to be contrasted with present day Magneto, who is all "mutant fire and brimstone!") And you can have Wolverine cameo in the future, where he gets toasted by a Sentinel! This thing writes itself!
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Also explain how Havoc is older then cyclops.
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They're replacing Kitty with fucking Mystique and paralleling it with X-MEN (2000). Does anyone else get the sheer desperation from the film makers in trying to make this series seem sooo important? Important enough to not change anything for TWELVE years? They're seriously going to try alternate timelines the same way Abrams did with STAR TREK ...as if the Donner/Singer X-Men series is anywhere near as iconic as Star Trek. Do they think that just because Marvel is doing really well that they can bast in their glory and act as if THEY are the ones making great adaptations and putting out the 3rd highest grossing movie of all time? News Flash 20th Century Fox: You didn't make THE AVENGERS. Its what we all wanted you to do with the X-Men, but, you didn't. Instead you gave us twelve years of two old guys playing chess and Wolverine getting his ass kicked by Kelly Hu.
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June 5, 2012, 11:05 p.m. CST
It does sound like something they could use to continue/re-boot the previous franchise
by Jaka
Which would be fine with me. I'm not a Marvel fan AT ALL, and I still enjoyed the first two and First Class. Something that was a sequel/prequel to that set of films sounds great.
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If X-Men First Class 2 served as establishing the First Class films as being in a new timeline, the major sticking point is Moira MacTaggert. The split off point between the timelines would need to be far enough back that Moira is born approximately 38 years earlier in the new timeline then she was in the original timeline. The same for Emma Frost (original timeline, born in 1956; new timeline, born in 1929). I can't recall any other First Class/original films characters that have age discrepancies.
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Don't go into alternate timelines mumbo-jumbo
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I want to see that as a movie, maybe they can aim the franchise towards it if they start doing multiple timelines. Could spin off a cable franchise for sure.
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He appeals to part of my brain that is amused by Carnage, Venom, and Darksied. However he never seems to be a deep character just the classic vaudevillian villian. I feel his motivations were best captured by Bacon's interpretation of Sebastion Shaw so I can't see use for him at this time.
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That they may have registered the title just to blow smoke up the collective asses of people that actually take the time to keep track of shit like that? Sure wouldn't be a the first time a studio has done it.
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I feel like Bacon played a character in First Class that was the perfect amalgam of Sebastian Shaw and Mr. Sinister. But Mr. Sinister's actually a student of Apocalypse's, so there ya' go.
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How ironic......
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...just imagine, in a bunch of years, the possibility of having an 'Old Man Logan' movie, with Hulk, Hawkeye, the Red Skull and everything, plus all of the violence and gore! If only...
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June 6, 2012, 6:17 a.m. CST
"Terminator got it from Days of Future Past who got it from a Dr. Who episode. This according to John Byrne."
by buggerbugger
Day of the Daleks? A cool little time-paradox story by Louis Marks, only let down by a Dalek occupation force of three Daleks with shitty voices. 'Terminator' fans and talkbackers in general owe it to themselves to seek it out even if they're not usually partial to 'Doctor Who'. As usual, the novelisation was fleshed out more than the televised story, adding a 'Terminator'-like prologue set in the Dalek-occupied future with most of humanity exterminated and the survivors rounded up into concentration camps or working as collaborators with their new cyborg masters.
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Sound like an attempt to try and reconcile the inconsistencies between First Class and X3/Wolverine to me. If they wanted to erase X3/Wolverine they should have just made First Class a reboot.
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June 6, 2012, 6:46 a.m. CST
I was a huge X-Men reader in the early 90s and I never understood the appeal of most of the "hot, new characters" from around that time
by Autodidact
Especially Cable and Bishop. For like 100 issues of Uncanny X-Men, this Bishop guy was there boring the shit out of me. And Cable was put in every X-Men comic in the early 90s and I don't think I ever saw him use a power.. he just stood there with a painful take-a-shit face and pose with a ridiculously giant gun.
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June 6, 2012, 6:49 a.m. CST
People loving DOFP from the 90s cartoon... jesus fucking christ
by Autodidact
That's worse than never reading Watchmen but claiming to love it because of the movie. They did a decent job but you still really need to read the comics. I have a friend who says he loves comics, but has never read DKR or Watchmen. I'm pretty sure he thinks The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises are adaptations of the DKR comics.
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If these films start to get bogged down in the continuity of the comic books then there's a real risk that the studios will alienate the casual viewer. This is an issue I had with The Avengers film. As I'd never read any of the Avengers comics (or Thor, Iron Man, Captain America & Hulk) I only had the "build-up" films to go on for background information. As a result most of the plot and a lot of the other characters, organisations and situations meant nothing to me (especially the post-credits extra scene). Also, any potential "re-boot" or "re-start" of the X-Men franchise is doomed to failure as people are too fond of Bryan Singer's 2 X-Men movies (and Vaughan's "First Class" - which fits in quite nicely as a prequel). Just look at how fans are reacting to the upcoming "Spiderman" reboot (comparing it to Raimi's first 2) or the new "Superman" movie which will most likely be held up against Dick Donner's benchmark masterpiece of comic book film making.
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...those are NOT X-Men movies, my friends. They are Eric and Logan movies with some X-Men as supporting characters. It even carried over into FIRST CLASS: That film is not an X-Men movie either, its an Eric and Charles movie with Moira and "Raven" (Jesus) as supporting characters. Singer and Donner obviously don't know how to bring the X-Men to the screen. At least not as well as some of the people who have worked on the Marvel properties know how to bring their characters and stories to the cinema.
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June 6, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST
alternate timelines / time travel / outer space are a part of X-lore, we've seen the social analogy enough on screen, get into the wackiness!
by Tall_Boy6t6
Not every X-story is a slight variation upon "Woe is me, I'm different!" like the movies have been, they have some big sci-fi ideas out there, start going in that direction.
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where Stalkeye possibly learns to spell?
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June 6, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST
Dan Halen - Byrne never said Terminator came from DOFP, but did say DOFP came from old story he forgot he saw.
by FloatingHolmes
Byrne has said that DOFP came to him as a whole story very quickly... and then later he realized why when he re-watched some old time travel story that he'd forgotten about. He said he learned then never to trust any stories that come too easily. If it comes all at once, it's probably coming FROM somewhere. But as for Terminator, it's a matter of public record. Even Cameron said he took Terminator from a couple of old Harlan Ellison stories on Outer Limits. Because Cameron said this stuff on tape, Ellison sued the production and won.
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June 6, 2012, 6:25 p.m. CST
Have old-aged Hugh Jackman in the future, and no Wolverine at all in the "now"
by Adelai Niska
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