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PERFECT ORGANISM: Nordling Dissects ALIEN: RESURRECTION!

Published at: May 31, 2012, 10:45 p.m. CST by Nordling

 

Nordling here.

With Ridley Scott's PROMETHEUS next week, I'm sure you, like me, can’t wait to dive into that universe that Scott, Dan O’Bannon, Ronald Shusett, H. R. Giger, and many, many others created more than 30 years ago.  ALIEN has haunted me my entire life.  I still have ALIEN dreams.  They are horrifying to me – I think the Xenomorph is possibly the most frightening monster ever created in science fiction.  As Ash in the original ALIEN said, “I admire its purity.  A survivor, unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.”  H. R. Giger’s creation still resonates.  Its sole motivation is to propagate its race, and yet the Xenomorph suggests something far more sinister, something along the lines of H. P. Lovecraft – not only are we insignificant in the universe, we barely even register as meat.  There are epic things happening out there, ALIEN suggests, and humanity factors only as grist to the mill.

Whether or not PROMETHEUS is truly a prequel or not is irrelevant; the new film seems to explore that concept even more than the original ALIEN does, and so spiritually it very much is a continuance to those ideas.  To that end, in anticipation of Ridley Scott’s return to science fiction, I’ve decided to write about the ALIEN saga as a whole, counting backwards. I’ll begin with ALIEN: RESURRECTION, then it’s David Fincher’s maligned (wrongly, in my opinion) ALIEN3, to James Cameron’s war movie ALIENS, and at last, to Ridley Scott’s ALIEN, the movie that started it all.  Missing from this countdown are the ALIEN VS. PREDATOR movies.  And the reason is quite simple: they’re terrible, unworthy of the ALIEN name (and the PREDATOR name, to be honest).  I’d much rather stick with the original series, and work my way up.  So, for your reading pleasure, PERFECT ORGANISM, my retrospective into the ALIEN films, from last to first.

One thing is certain with this series – the movies get better the further we go.  1997’s ALIEN: RESURRECTION is a creative disaster, a failure of tone and theme that regardless of its returning character Ripley it barely registers as an ALIEN film at all.  Let’s make no mistake about it – ALIEN: RESURRECTION is a bad movie.  It’s difficult to imagine where to place the blame: on Joss Whedon’s script (which was studio-tampered with from day one), or on Jean-Pierre Jeunet’s direction, which felt at odds from the rest of the series.  Possibly it was the lower budget, or the strange turn in Ellen Ripley’s (Sigourney Weaver) character, or the tone, or even the unmemorable score. 

But the end product is equally frustrating and fascinating; frustrating because of how much the movie gets wrong and fascinating because we are watching one of our most beloved geek artists find his footing.  Even when it misfires you can see Joss Whedon figuring out his own style in it.  You can definitely see Ripley in Whedon’s characterization of Buffy, and you can see the shadows of the Serenity crew in the crew of the USS Betty.  But it’s unclear what belongs to Whedon and what belongs to the massive rewrites that the script underwent while under Jeunet’s direction.  Looking for someone to blame for ALIEN: RESURRECTION is almost impossible because there are too many cooks in this particular kitchen that we can point fingers at.

RESURRECTION’s shift in tone is completely wrong.  Now, I’m not against anyone taking a little risk and changing up the ALIEN universe a bit, and I imagine that the producers at Brandywine were open to something perhaps a little lighter than the elegiac ALIEN3.  Basically, they wanted to capture that ALIENS lightning in a bottle, while keeping the film as its own individual movie.  In Jean-Pierre Jeunet they got a director who, with his previous films (i.e., THE CITY OF LOST CHILDREN), showed visual promise and got great performances from his actors, and had a sensibility that might work with what the producers were planning to do, which was revitalize the franchise and pull it out from the doldrums of ALIEN3.  (I’ll mount my defense of the third film in the next column, but even that movie’s fans have to admit that the movie takes the audience into a deep dark hole and just abandons them there.)

But if the endgame was to bring the franchise back to the action and peril of the second ALIEN installment but with some finesse, TV showrunner Joss Whedon may have been in over his head before the first keystroke. With this being his first solo work after the original BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER with Kristy Swanson, he’d yet to fully entrench himself as a Hollywood movie screenwriter.    

Now, I’m a Joss Whedon fan.  I love how he cuts through genre tropes with a chainsaw and gets to the heart of his characters.  One of the primary rules of writing is “Simplify, simplify, simplify,” and Whedon seems to know how to do that almost effortlessly.  But, and I say this in the nicest way I can, he was all wrong for the ALIEN franchise.

Some of that wasn’t his fault, of course.  The studio and the production company were married to the idea of Ripley returning to the series in some fashion, so Whedon was trapped with the task of figuring out how to make that work.  Cloning, obviously, was a possibility, and the idea of melding Ripley with the alien seemed potentially good on paper.  But too much of the script is centered on that conflict, and the aliens actually feel incidental for it being an ALIEN movie.

Celebrated French filmmaker Jean-Pierre Jeunet is an interesting choice as a director, and the idea of the ALIEN series delving into dark comedy is an intriguing one.  Jeunet is no stranger to that genre.  He’s a playful director, a visual stylist with striking imagery.  You would think, as a choice for the ALIEN franchise, that this would be a no-brainer.  But Jeunet approached the material very much in a work-for-hire capacity, and it shows.  There doesn’t seem to be much influence from him on the script at all.  Scott, Cameron, and even Fincher put themselves into the final product of their respective films, but not Jeunet.  He came, did his job, and left, which is probably what the studio wanted but the result doesn’t feel passionate at all.  It doesn’t feel like it came from the heart.

ALIEN: RESURRECTION has several specific issues that I’d like to address, and the first one is the aliens themselves.  This may sound nitpicky, but the creatures in the film simply aren’t scary.  There’s something sexual, terrifying, and, well, alien about the Xenomorph.  In RESURRECTION, they just look a lot wetter.  H. R. Giger’s original design is a beautiful thing – it’s just aesthetically wrong in all the right ways, much like reading about a Lovecraft creature.  The aliens in RESURRECTION aren’t much different, but somehow they feel old hat.  Seeing them in action, with the camera full-on, takes away some of the mystery and splendor of their form.  Even in ALIENS Cameron never gives us one long look at them except for the Queen, and she’s shot appropriately with a scope and scale that accentuates her status.  In RESURRECTION, everything’s glazed with jelly and gore, making the creatures look like cheap horror scares instead of the design beauties that they are.

And then there’s the Newborn, the alien/human hybrid. Are you kidding me? I don’t see how that design got past the design stage; it’s completely ridiculous.  There’s nothing of the elegant Giger creation of the first film – which is not only beautiful in its sinister way but also makes sense in the context of the movie.  It really does seem like a “perfect organism.”  The Newborn isn’t meant to be perfect, I realize, but it just looks haphazardly put together.  And it’s not frightening at all, or even sympathetic, really – it’s just a screaming, disgusting thing without any redeeming aspects to its design or character.

The character of Call, played by Winona Ryder, doesn’t fit the movie.  Ryder is a fine actress, no doubt, and again, you can see Joss Whedon’s later influences on the character, but Call doesn’t serve any purpose except to be a sort of audience surrogate, especially for fans of the franchise.  Making her an android doesn’t really fit with the character as well, except to be a link to the previous movies.  From everything we’ve seen of androids previously, she doesn’t work in that context.  The movie does take place 200 years later, so androids of that time would be vastly different, but Call seems to be an extraneous character in a movie already full of them.

So what’s worthwhile about ALIEN: RESURRECTION?  Darius Khondji’s cinematography is impressive, giving the film a nice scope and look.  The underwater action sequence is tense and well-shot, using an environment that we haven’t seen in an ALIEN movie before, even though the scene as a whole makes the movie feel like the weirdest POSEIDON ADVENTURE remake ever made.  Sigourney Weaver does good work as an aspect of Ripley we haven’t seen before, one who has made a kind of peace with her past and with the Aliens.  She’s especially good in the best scene of the movie, when she sees all her clone’s previous iterations, thrown aside like garbage.

But in the end, ALIEN: RESURRECTION feels like an appendix – an unnecessary film that adds nothing new to a franchise that seemed to know where to end, particularly with the Ripley character.  PROMETHEUS may go to the roots of the ALIEN films, but RESURRECTION takes them to a conclusion that is unsatisfying and, in the end, too silly for its own good.

Nordling, out.  Follow me on Twitter!

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  • May 31, 2012, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Gotta post something to ruin the 1st posters.

    by CodeName

  • May 31, 2012, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Excellent take

    by FarSky

    I think it's better than 3, though both fail compared to the first two. Still, I blame that French fuck for this film's failure.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST

    i love this movie.

    by DarthBlart

  • May 31, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST

    The Aliens make stupid noises in this one

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    Not a complaint one ever hears about this one. I guess that's a minor problem compared to the rest of this train-wreck.

  • The Blu-ray set just arrived today. Maybe I will work through them backwards.

  • May 31, 2012, 11 p.m. CST

    no love for perlman?

    by lightwriter

    I agree with this review (the movie blew) and I agree with your opinion of Alien 3 (unfair bad rep)..... but you gotta give some love to Ron Perlman here. He was the most entertaining part of this film. Well, him and the unintentional comedy. "Beautiful, beautiful butterfly."

  • May 31, 2012, 11:03 p.m. CST

    by Mr. Moe

    Prometheus is far worse than Resurrection. Not as bad as AvP: Requiem, but still one of the worst Alien movies.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Just watched this with commentary...

    by Fixxxer

    ...and I think it's pretty clear that Jeunet is to blame. The movie is tone deaf, and the actors are giving performances that suggest they have no idea what their director wants -- which may actually be the case, given his lack of command over the English language and his newbie status within the Hollywood system. I do disagree on the Newborn though -- that thing scared the shit outta me. It's the one unmitigated success of the whole picture.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Look at how gorgeous Sigourney looks in those shots.

    by gotilk

    She looked especially good in this film. She's reached some kind of peak... and it shows. Always loved her.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:04 p.m. CST

    (even though the film is sadly not so great)

    by gotilk

    she still looks magnificent.

  • ...by the way.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Aliens are like outer space sharks

    by Ferretfangs

    Sharks are scarier though...if you are swimming in. The water...

  • May 31, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Just an odd, odd movie.

    by ChaunceyGardiner

  • Your defense of this film will fall on deaf ears Nordling.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Jean-Pierre Jeunet phoned this in so hard...

    by TheAncientEnemy

    One has to only watch with his commentary to see how little he cared about this project. I can't even recall how many times he said he loved something in the movie because it was "zo fucking ztupid." He had zero interest in this film. I like Resurrection as a failure that is beautiful to look at, but man, why did they want to make Alien humorous?

  • May 31, 2012, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Recently re-watched the whole series...

    by Ropacon

    Alien-Still rules. It holds up incredibly well. Great effects and still scary. Aliens-Upon re-watching this movie, I have to say that I was a bit bored. It was not the kick-ass roller coaster ride I remembered. It has some great scenes and fantastic effects but the pacing is off. Alien 3-I like the director's cut best (Whatever it's called. Yes I know it isn't really a director's cut per se.) The mood is great. The ending is fantastic, depressing and final. There are some sketchy early-CGI effects that take you out of the movie. There is also an awful lot of running through tunnels and that gets kind of old. Definitely flawed. Alien:Resurrection-I must be in the minority. I think this movie is a lot of fun. It is definitely a freakshow. Clone Ripley is great. I like Winona in this, her character is a nice addition, in my opinion. The alien fratricide prison break scene is very creative. In fact, there are a lot of great scenes. I do agree that the hybrid baby alien design was a failure. Perhaps they were going for something abominable because the fusion of the two species was so improbable and bound to fail. However, it just ended up looking like a skeleton covered with wads of soggy play-doh dripping with snot and semen.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:09 p.m. CST

    I recently rematches Ghost busters. Wow, sigorney was a hotty.

    by mistergreen

    She's still a gorgeous woman but a hotty back then.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Rewatched

    by mistergreen

  • May 31, 2012, 11:10 p.m. CST

    goddam it i hate this film

    by mojination

    Weaver should have known better. No one, literally no one, understood the franchise they were working on. Who's idea was it to give it to Jeunet? Who thought that HE would be the artistic drive that would do it justice? And don't get me started on Whedon... Sound design, music, character, script, dialogue, photography, story - all awful. How the fuck does a shitty line like "must be a chick thing" fit into the Alien universe?

  • May 31, 2012, 11:12 p.m. CST

    I READ THE JOSS WHEDON SCREENPLAY BEFORE THE STUDIO SCREWED IT UP

    by iwarmonger0

    As a person working on several screenplays with some major studios at the time, I had the priviledge of getting hold of Joss Whedon's orginal screenplay of Alien:Ressurection. It was one of the best screenplays I've ever read. It was funny, action packed, moving, just like everything else he has done like The Avengers. I was so excited to go see it especially as I loved the director as well What was filmed on screen was nothing more than a late stage abortion. Almost nothing of the original screenplay survived other than the characters and a part of the story arc. The rest was all new and terrible. The orginal ending had Riplay and Call tracking an alien that had gotten to Earth. That was nothing like the ending to this piece of garbage. This was studio interfernce all the way, just like Battleship, John Carter and every other crap movie that comes out lately. Can we please let the people who know what they are doing do it and for the bean counters to shut the hell up. Michangelo didn't need pointers from every Cardinal coming into the Sistine Chapel for advice and neither do writers.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:14 p.m. CST

    This movie also ruins the anti-corporate angle of the series

    by StarWarsRedux

    The real villain through the first three is Weyland-Yutani-- the Aliens themselves are just a force of nature, but the Company is what's willing to sacrifice no end of human life in order to get their hands on their destructive capabilities. Scott, Cameron, Fincher and the various writers make excellent use of this theme throughout their films, and make canny statements about the ways that corporations undermine our lives. <p> <p>This movie, though? They're gone, replaced by lame military baddies that look like rejected designs from "The Fifth Element". Whedon dismisses the whole idea with a lame joke in the original script, saying Weyland-Yutani was bought out by Walmart. By that token, I'll take the crappy "Alien Vs. Predator" over that easily-- Paul W.S. Anderson may not be the greatest filmmaker in the world (or even a good one) but at least he makes an honest attempt to be respectful and mindful of the "Alien" franchise's political undercurrents, and not just ignore them.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:14 p.m. CST

    and don't try and defend Whedon..

    by mojination

    by saying the studio tampered with it. He shouldn't be writing an Alien film. Period. He doesn't do horror very well (Cabin is aboslutely not the same horror as Alien), and his science fiction is ordinary at best.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Oh, and "Alien 3" is my absolute favorite of the series

    by StarWarsRedux

    Right up there in my personal top ten. Granted, "The Phantom Menace" and "Heaven's Gate" are there too, so I'm used to disagreements there. Fincher's work on A3 might not be the best of his career, but it's a hell of a way to begin it.

  • ...and the damn ball went out of frame. No wonder she wanted to have sex with the Aliens!

  • May 31, 2012, 11:25 p.m. CST

    The first draft Whedon script was brilliant. (Among other things.)

    by ScoobySnack

    A number of years ago, through a producer I worked with, I had the opportunity to read the first draft script of Alien Resurrection. At the time, I didn't know who Joss Whedon was, and didn't really care. But because of how awful Alien3 was, I didn't mind completely spoiling myself for the next film, because if nothing else, I'd get some insight into its creative process. I'm guessing you've not read the original script. It's brilliant. In fact, it's so disturbing in places--especially how Whedon writes the scene where Ripley meets her clones--that I had to set the script aside for a while because it was that upsetting. But more importantly, there is so much missing from the final film that it was a crushing disappointment when I finally saw it in the theatre. If anyone is to be blamed for the failure of the film, it's the studio execs and director Jeunet, not Whedon. Let me list for you the disastrous changes: 1. Jeunet goes full-tilt on the slimy gore from frame one, and as a result, once we arrive at the scene with Ripley's clones, we're so desensitized to anything vomitous, the scene barely registers. The slime factor rests entirely on Jeunet's shoulders... it was not in the script. 2. An entire action sequence in the third act was entirely excised. In the script, we are told that, although the ship is a military vessel, it is carrying a massive agricultural ecosystem to grow corn and wheat. In the latter part of the film, Ripley and the remaining survivors have to hotwire a pickup truck-like transportation device and speed from one side of the massive field of corn to the other, as multiple Aliens dart out of the cornfields to attack them. Instead we got horribly computer-generated swimming Aliens. 3. The ending was superior to the finished film. Originally, what set apart the new Alien was not that it looked like a slimy albino pig, but that... it could *fly*. Once the Alien is born, the sudden reveal of its huge wings was pretty awesome. And when the ship crash lands on Earth, the final shot is the winged Alien flying away into the distance. Cue Alien 5. Sigh. Oh, well. 4. The humor in the script actually was funny. I hear that because it had to be translated into French for director Jeunet, the humor didn't translate, and that's why it falls completely flat. But that's a fault of cultural differences, not the quality of the original material. 5. One thing not related to the script is the fact that Winona Ryder was forced upon the film by the studio because she was a known commodity. Originally, Joan Jett was slated to play the role of Call, not only because she had a great look (buzzed short hair), but was also as tall as Sigourney, so they could go toe-to-toe with each other, and it would play believably. Joan has proven her acting chops in numerous stage productions since then, but it would have been a great breakthrough role for her and an inspired casting choice. But, alas, we got stuck with a short, whiny brat. So, the film may suck, but it's not because the script was bad. A great film was on the page... it just was very badly translated.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:25 p.m. CST

    The best Sigourney has ever looked was in Galaxy Quest

    by Badger23

    Her tits were huge in that movie.

  • And it's not *priviledge*, but privilege, you major studio script doctor, you.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Did Nordling miss the memo? NOTHING AFTER ALIENS IS CANON. Sorry :|

    by the Green Gargantua

    I was under the impression that everything after ALIEN was a hypersleep dream until Ridley tossed that crucified Alien Queen hieroglyphic at us in the Prometheus trailer.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:26 p.m. CST

    The weakest entry in the series.

    by Psyclops

    This one is barely a notch above the AVP films, in my opinion. I remember trying REAL hard to love it. I saw the fucking movie nine times, partly because I thought it was going to be the last time I'd ever get to experience any part of the Alien universe on the big screen again (the film sank like dead weight in it's second week at the box office and nobody was talking a 'versus' movie back then). I can appreciate it now for the silly thrills that it delivers, same with the AVP films, but I've always felt that ALIEN 3, as depressing as it was, closed the book on the series. I hope PROMETHEUS is at least a good film. Good enough to end the series (or loop it around?) on a solid effort.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:29 p.m. CST

    BEST of the Series!! Yes, better than ALIENS and ALIEN

    by bs9999

    Sorry fanboys but if you want oscar quality writing and suspense Alien Resurection is the best of the bunch. Every shot is totally original and genius. Honestly, i think Alien and Aliens ripped it off.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:29 p.m. CST

    It is a bad movie, but...

    by Tristan

    I really like the look of the film. The cinematography is interesting, as well as the sets and costumes. However, the direction just seems odd and "comical". The film looks like an "Alien" film, but it sure as hell doesn't feel like one. As Nordling mentioned, the Aliens are not treated like scary creatures and are totally exposed, especially, with CGI. The Aliens shouldn't be in brightly-lit conditions. The Newborn was a terrible idea and a stupid design. Nothing much else to say about it. I really didn't have a problem with any of the characters. However, I thought the acting was a little "over-the-top" though. The dialogue feels like Whedon, for sure, but the script isn't very good, outside of the idea of cloning Ripley, as well as the Queen chestburster. While I think it's visually interesting and has a lot of action, Alien: Resurrection isn't really memorable of anything great. You mostly, remember the bad stuff.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Anyone who says it SUCKED is a FAGGOT!

    by bs9999

    To be clear: i mean faggot not in a derogatory way but in the most endearing possible affection... as in: "i just found out my son is a gawdamn faggot".

  • Part 3 is such a useless pile of garbage. At least 4 had a sense of humor and some interesting visuals. It was very comic book-y with it's tone. It had style. 3 was just fucking dull.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Again with Whedon..... geesh

    by LowDevil

    OK you give justified truths about the qualities or lackthereof Alien3. I actually think the film is quite good. Now trying (in vain in ur sorry case) to explain that AlienR's shortcomings are not Whedon's fault and besides its shortcomings the film is good or even great makes this the funniest column i have ever read on AICN. I have always said that Whedon is highly overrated. Yes even tho i loved Avengers very much. His work in AlienR proves the point. This movie was horrible on all counts, starting with the writing. Many writers could have made the Avengers just as great, maybe better? Who knows

  • May 31, 2012, 11:36 p.m. CST

    I saw this opening day and was completely disappointed...

    by WeylandYutani

    I agree with everything said in this column. The only redeeming thing in this turd was the extended shot of Kim Flowers' ass.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:38 p.m. CST

    "the humour in the script was actually funny"

    by mojination

    there shouldn't be any fucking humour in the script! The alien universe is a dark place exploring freudian themes usually with grotesque and violent results. Hudson is a close as we come to humour in the series, and that thank christ didn't have a hint of irony in it whatsoever. I'm not sure Whedon is capable of writing a conversation without some godawful metajoke hovering over it. There's no texture to his writing, it's like a comic strip - one two-dimensional panel followed by the next. The alien universe isn't "postmodern" and doesn't need to be. Save that pretentious bullshit for something else.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:41 p.m. CST

    This movie is awful, and so is Alien3.

    by Ironhelix

    I prefer to pretend that they don't exist.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Re: The ALIEN Franchise ...

    by ArmageddonProductions

    I would have waited until your dissection of ALIEN 3 for this one, but, seriously, when you consider that Vincent Ward (the director pretty much all the way up til about three weeks before shooting began) wanted to make a fucking movie about the Sulaco (or its escape pod, can't remember) crashing into a fucking wooden planet/spaceship manned by 14th century monks, and that Fox actually RAN WITH THIS IDEA, it's really a miracle that ALIEN 3 turned out watchable on any level -- and I HATE ALIEN 3.</p><p> Which brings me to Point #2: FOX called all the shots on ALL of the ALIEN movies, not Brandywine. Brandywine is pretty much around only because Walter Hill was originally supposed to direct ALIEN and he and his producing partners have a financial stake in the franchise. Not sure how that works for the AVP movies. Anyway, there's a reason Cameron was only allowed to make ALIENS on the condition that it didn't cost more than 14 million dollars (Cameron wanted 18 million, twice the cost of the original, then pared it down to 14) -- Fox was convinced the movie would likely bomb.</p><p> Point #3: ALIEN RESURRECTION actually cost more than any other film in the series, including ALIEN 3, which cost between 70-90 million after reshoots, about a bajillion different scripts (including ones by Eric Red and William Gibson) and basically giving everybody involved the ax right before they started shooting. ALIEN RESURRECTION's budget was NOT the problem, everything else was.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 felt like an abortion...

    by blackmantis

    No version of that film feels like a complete movie, just disjointed pieces of something that could have been good. Resurrection went to to term, it was just an ugly fucking baby.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:47 p.m. CST

    A TOTAL P.O.S!

    by RoarsLoudly

    The fact that it was an "Alien" film made matters even worse. Makes Alien 3 play like The Empire Strikes Back!

  • May 31, 2012, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Alien 3: black nail polish posering

    by Georgepeppard

  • May 31, 2012, 11:54 p.m. CST

    nice analogy blackmantis

    by mojination

    i would say alien 3 felt like an attempted abortion that gained consciousness during the procedure, fought it's way out and lived...with some surprisingly beautiful aspects to it despite its ugly birth. you can't say it didn't *look* good, the cinematography was great. the score was pretty amazing even though it didn't feel like an Alien score, and the acting was solid. the creature was awesome and well shot and the whole thing had a wonderfully rich yet bleak feel that suited the nature of the story. unfortunately the story was told very very poorly. the dialogue was a bit limp and scenes were welded together that didn't quite fit. disappointing, but nothing compared to the crime that was Resurrection...

  • as it is in the final film. It is the article a few years ago where he wished he could have written the script for Return of the Jedi. In it he states, he was commissioned to write it by Fox from his career taking off with Speed (which the original screen writer Yost took all credit for his rewrite, even on the DVD commentary). The first draft he wrote was in space and Fox Execs deemed it too expensive. He wrote a second draft on a planet I believe and it was deemed too expensive. He wrote a 3rd draft that takes place in the desert and it was again deemed too expensive and he left. Fox hired other screen writers and they came up with Alien Ressurection. Joss stated he had nothing to do with that draft at all. Fox used his name in the advertising for name recognition and he tried to get them not too, but they could legally. Can't find it in the search but it was from 2006

  • May 31, 2012, 11:59 p.m. CST

    From an interview with Whedon

    by kabookieslap

    I thought your original screenplay for “Alien: Resurrection” was brilliant – with its epic final battle on Earth, for Earth – and vastly more engrossing than what ultimately made its way to the screen. I have to assume there were budgetary issues, because I can’t imagine another reason anyone would tinker with it. Well, let me ask you something. This ending that took place on Earth. What happened in it? Where did it take place? It took place in a forest ... Yes. Oh wow. That’s the first one. There were five. And it was always either “the director had a vision” or they had a budget issue. And as a script doctor I’ve been called in more than a few times, and the issue is always the same: “We want you to make the third act more exciting and cheaper.” And my response inevitably is, “The problem with the third act is the first two acts.” This response is never listened to. I usually walk away having gotten one or two jokes into a script and made some money and feeling like I am just bereft of life. It’s horrible. The exceptions were “Toy Story” and “Speed,” where they actually let me do something. In the case of “Alien: Resurrection,” they decided to spend their money in other places than going to Earth. And I just kept saying, “The reason people are here is we’re going to do the thing we’ve never done; we’re gonna go to Earth.” But there were a lot of things that we hadn’t done that we ended up not doing because of a singular lack of vision. But rather than go into all of the reasons why “Alien: Resurrection” is disappointing to me, I will tell you that, yes, I wrote five endings. The first one was in the forest with the flying threshing machine. The second one was in a futuristic junkyard. The third one was in a maternity ward. And the fourth one was in the desert. Now at this point this had become about money, and I said, “You know, the desert looks like Mars. That’s not Earth; that’s not going to give people that juice.” But I still wrote them the best ending I could that took place in the desert. And then finally they said, “Y’knowww, we just don’t think we need to go to Earth.” So I just gave them dialogue and stuff, but I don’t remember writing, “A withered, granny-lookin’ Pumkinhead-kinda-thing makes out with Ripley.” Pretty sure that stage direction never existed in any of my drafts.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:12 a.m. CST

    You've got to be friggin kidding me!

    by slder78

    As much as I respect Nordling's previous posts this one is just terrible. The summary as I understand it is that the good parts of the movie are because of Whedon and the parts that suck are because the studio interfered. C'mon man! You're going to give him credit for the humor? Are you serious? Hudson in Aliens had the one liners, but those were organic to his character. When you listen to Call or Ripley spout off quips it's so out of place that you know it's just "Whedon being Whedon." It's a crap movie from top to bottom. Enough with the "Studio interference" BS too. Unless you're name is Spielberg, Scorsese, or Ridley Scott EVERYONE gets notes or interference from the studio and the truly good ones still make a good movie in spite of that.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:13 a.m. CST

    yes A3 did suck

    by mr. smith

    but A:R was SO MUCH WORSE. truth.

  • I yelled real loud "Oh fuck this! I'm out!" and walked out of the theater with everyone in the audience cheering me.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Whedon is as much to blame as everyone else.

    by Judd nelson

    His script was poor, end of story. He is a talented writer, but he's not right for every project and he was a mistake for an Alien film. So was Jeunet.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:20 a.m. CST

    sldr regarding studio interference

    by kabookieslap

    This was at a time when Studio execs were really interferring with productions. More than most times. It almost gave us a Carpenter The Thing sequel that took place in the bahamas because two Universal Studio execs wanted to get paid to lounge in the bahamas instead of Carpenter's sequel on a submarine. It was a conversation overheard in Spielberg's LA underwater themed restaurant. This was a period when execs really interfered in the process as it is when studios started really making deals for advertising, in which they were making more money on that than the films take. It gave us Batman and Robin. The only reason that film was that way was the studio telling Schumacher they wanted more toys and suits and to make the film "toyettique" Schumacher even said it was the only film where the toy manufacturers were telling him what to do. It was a bad time which is why we had a lot of bad films come out then

  • June 1, 2012, 12:22 a.m. CST

    notjuddnelson

    by kabookieslap

    most of his script was rewritten. he was brought in to script doctor what they wanted to make. He left and they brought someone else in and gave him credit for their script for advertising purposes. He tried to fight it but Fox won.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:27 a.m. CST

    kabookieslap

    by slder78

    You may very well be correct, which is why independent movies blossomed during this era. Why Miramax seemed to own Oscar. But here's the thing, as director you can say, "No." As writer if you truly feel your work has been compromised you can take your name off the film and essentially disown it. Whedon didn't. If it was good enough for him to take screenwriter credit then he has to take the credit and the blame. It's consistent with his gripe about losing the credit on Toy Story. If you think the Screenplay credit reflects the true ownership of the words on the screen and you were so hurt by the loss of it in Toy Story, you better own up to it in Alien:Resurection.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:37 a.m. CST

    I actually enjoyed this movie

    by Dreamfasting

    I was against this movie before I saw it and only went to it because I arrived late to the theater and missed the movie I had originally intended to see. As I sat there with the lights going down, I was thinking "why does this movie even exist?" But when I discovered that the version of Ripley in this movie was asking the exact same question, it felt perfect and it hooked me. The Aliens are minor characters in this movie - which, after four movies, feels right. We know what they are, we know what happens when they get loose. It's almost routine ... and that's the role they are given to play. What we have instead are a bunch of interesting characters. Yes, I even dug Winona Ryder's character and how her character's backstore dovetails with Ripley's. Now, if someone went into this movie wanting to get a fix of a particular stressed emotion, I can understand them feeling a little let down. Despite the number of people who die, the movie does pull its punches by not setting that same oppressive tension that dominated the earlier movies. This leans a little more towards adventure vibe than horror vibe.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:40 a.m. CST

    badger23 I concede... you're right... AND

    by gotilk

    she looked incredible. And really showed off her comedic chops.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:43 a.m. CST

    There are only two Alien films...

    by BiggusDickus

    There is Alien, a perfect sci-fi horror movie and there is Aliens, a perfect sci-fi action movie. Everything else is varying degrees of shite, with Fincher's abomination the worst of the lot. Unforgivable pretty much from the opening with its throwaway treatment of Hicks and Newt, through the shockingly cheap effects to the T2 ripoff ending. 'Wrongly maligned'? You're having a fucking giraffe!

  • June 1, 2012, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Oh, and the only redeeming feature of Alien Resurrection?

    by BiggusDickus

    ...Winona Ryder's arse.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:55 a.m. CST

    not enough to wipe the Whedon stink off it...

    by mojination

  • June 1, 2012, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Dead-on review. It was a steaming turd.

    by Playkins

    A buddy and I saw it opening night. He was (is) a huge Alien fan. He walked out of the movie literally cursing Jean Pierre Junet. I believe the term "fucking frog filmmaker fuckstain" was coined.

  • I've been telling people for years that it's proto-Whedon, now people are beginning to understand.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:58 a.m. CST

    slder78 writers can not take off their name if contracted

    by kabookieslap

    Aparently the contract stated they could use his name for advertising purposes of written by even if his draft did not make it to screen. Like how David and Leslie Newman get credit for the final draft of Superman the movie and the guild would not give it to Tom Mankelweitcz, who really wrote that draft and it is vastly different from the Newman draft..which had things like this: 197 MOVING SHOT, WIDE: SUPERMAN swoops down on his prey, seizes his shoulder. SUPERMAN (gotcha) Hey! 198 The man whirls around and it is...TELLY SAVALAS. With lollipop and big grin: TELLY Hey! Superman! Who loves ya, baby? SUPERMAN smiles, trying to pretend he dropped down to say hi, and then flies up. As he ANGLES TOWARD CAMERA we SEE the disappointed expression on his face. The Writers Guild would not give him credit due to number of writers on the project. That is why he got the Creative Consultant Credit. It depends on the contract and that was the option Fox had in the contract as they wanted to use his name for advertising cache just coming off of Twister and Speed. Like how in Speed he wrote that draft but Yost takes all credit for it. Wheddon said he even confronted Yost on it, and Yost said something like "If you were credited for writing the draft of the biggest movie out, and it was not you but guild rules are you could take credit for it, wouldn't you?'

  • June 1, 2012, 1:06 a.m. CST

    so wait Joss Whedon wrote the line "Pop quiz hotshot"? Huh.

    by dahveed1972

  • June 1, 2012, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Isn't the point of the aliens being presented as scary

    by Charlie

    because the people in the film aren't scared. They think they can control them. So then when they get that wrong, they can see they were wrong.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:11 a.m. CST

    dahveed1972

    by kabookieslap

    "And besides, Yost admits that he didn't even write all of "Speed." "Joss Whedon wrote 98.9 percent of the dialogue," he says. "We were very much in sync, it's just that I didn't write the dialogue as well as he did." - http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-119334012.html

  • June 1, 2012, 1:14 a.m. CST

    by kabookieslap

    Wheddon - "The history of “Alien: Resurrection” is fairly twisted also because I wrote a 30-page treatment for a different movie. They wanted to do a movie with a clone of Newt [the little girl from “Aliens”] as their heroine. Because I’d done some action movies and I’d done “Buffy,” they said, “Well, he can write teenage girls and he can write action, so let’s give him a shot.” The franchise was pretty much dead, and I wrote the treatment and they said, “This is really exciting. We want to get back in this business. But we want Ripley. So throw this out.” That one was probably my favorite; I think it was a better-structured story than the one I ultimately wrote."

  • And that includes Joss Whedon. I like some of his stuff (Dr. Horrible, Firefly), some of it not so much, but he's just completely, totally, tragically wrong for an Alien movie. I haven't gone near this horrible thing since I saw it in theaters 15 years ago, but most of the awfulness I recall as being classic Whedon.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Did Whedon write anything in Speed besides dialogue?

    by StarWarsRedux

    I mean, did he write any action sequences, change the story, things like that? I'm just asking in terms of curiosity. The premise and action in "Speed" are what entertain me. The dialogue-- not so much.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:27 a.m. CST

    sorry, not being presented as scary

    by Charlie

  • June 1, 2012, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Alien Resurrection is one of the best horror comedies ever made

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    not as classic as Evil Dead 2 but it's pretty awesome!

  • June 1, 2012, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Resurrection Vs. 3

    by wrath 4771

    Back in the 'Nam before I saw Fincher's version, I thought Resurrection was better than 3. The problem I had with 3 (and still do) is most of the characters to me are indistinguishable from on eanother because of the shaved heads (being white and Brtish didn't help). Most of the time I culdn't tell who was getting killed off. Newt and Hicks dying off screen really felt like a huge violation back in 1993. I think most of us in the theater spent most of 3 just coping with the loss of those two. After all the awesome stories and comics about what happened after Aliens, it was a crushing blow. So Resurrection I think felt better because at least some form of Ripley was back. I disagree about the look of the aliens, I thought they were fine - though the spitting acid bit was....weird. I liked the idea of Father as a nod to Mother. I liked "making faces" at the alien. I also enjoyed the look on the one doctor/nurse's face when the aliens escaped. I still think though that this is the movie that killed Ryder's career, or at least no one was willing to give her a big role after this. Anyhoo, I understand why people don't like this movie, but I don't think it's the abominaton most make it out to be. I'm more likely to watch this than 3, but again, I think it's because even almost 20 years later, Fincher gutted the emotional attachment fans had to the franchise.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Anyone read the William Gibson script? I recall liking it..

    by the Green Gargantua

    I also heard there was an "Alien on Earth" draft but I forgot who penned it...

  • June 1, 2012, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Alien Resurrection is a great horror comedy film...

    by Andrew Coleman

    If you look at it that way it doesn't hurt as much. The real terror is Alien 3... It took everything Aliens did and shit on it. The alien looked fucking terrible. That movie is the just the worst. AVP and AVP 2 are also fucking hilarious.

  • I tried to find anything redeeming in this film and I couldn't. It felt cheap, somewhat low-budget, and had a silly tone that felt completely wrong. I love Jeunet and Whedon but this project failed. Alien 3 was dark and miserable but had potential. Ultimately, I'll stick with Alien and Aliens.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:15 a.m. CST

    After ALIENS, only two things would have made sense

    by Jason

    1. A film set on Earth, with aliens threatening to exterminate us, or... 2. A film set on the alien homeworld, Starship Troopers style. Either of these routes would have provided the necessary escalation of the narrative that ALIENS started. Instead, we got what we got. Fanfiction-level sci-fi novellas that each tell an ok story, but have no business claiming to be official sequels to ALIEN.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:19 a.m. CST

    ALIEN-ATE fanedit

    by TheManBehindTheMask

    Try it if you did not.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:28 a.m. CST

    But I did like the The Betty Crew and Ripleys clone discovery.

    by kenchun24

  • June 1, 2012, 2:31 a.m. CST

    Whedon - 'Yeah i wrote the whole of Toy Story and Speed'

    by tomdolan04

    I kinda directed them too from afar. And lit them. Alien 4, no that like totally wasnt me. Sigourney did!! Must be a chick thing.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:43 a.m. CST

    They should have done the William Gibson script (for ALIEN 3)

    by Monroville

    It was a natural progression from ALIENS, with a focus on Bishop and Hicks (with some nice shades of ALIEN CONTAMINATION thrown in). Here are some links: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/articles/william-gibsons-alien-3-script1/ http://www.awesomefilm.com/script/Alien3.txt All they would have had to do was change the commies to a rival company and clean up some of the rough edges and it could have been a pretty kick-ass thirdquel.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:53 a.m. CST

    Unmemorable score?

    by syn_flood

    Nope.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:54 a.m. CST

    BTW, here is the David Twohy script summary link

    by Monroville

    http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/articles/david-twohy-alien-3-script/

  • June 1, 2012, 3:06 a.m. CST

    I do not own the 'quadrilogy'

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    I only own Alien and Aliens on blu-ray. There are no other Alien films, as far as I'm concerned. Alien 3 was not an incompetent film, in fact I liked the setting but I can't forgive the undoing of everything that came before it in the first five minutes of screen time - Newt, Hicks and especially Ripley earned their way home. It should have been a new cast.

  • June 1, 2012, 3:07 a.m. CST

    A Fucking awful movie

    by nobbythehappyelf

    I blame the script (Proto Firefly rubbish) And writing off WY as a one line joke? Sacrilege. This and the two AVP movies should be smote from history.

  • June 1, 2012, 3:16 a.m. CST

    I know this is weird

    by jasper Stillwell

    but I actually really like this very flawed movie. To me the 'Alien' films were the perfect franchise to have someone come in each time and re-interpret the ideas in the way they saw fit. Sure, the whole thing reeks of studio interference as an end result but I didn't mind this very European, 'Heavy Metal'-style take on the material at all, (in some ways that's quite closer to the roots of the whole thing anyway if you think about it). I just wish the producers had the balls to really follow that idea through. I want to see a reinvention each time that takes me somewhere different and surprises me. OK sometimes you'll get a stinker but hopefully the next take will be radically different yet still very cool. Sadly a lot of this film was still reduced to people running up and down corridors with flame throwers to keep people happy, for me, I'd love to see a Kubrick-style take - i.e. very Shining, 2001 etc, something that looks entirely different from what we've seen. I think the Bond films should do the same. If you want the same damn thing time and again just watch the old films.

  • June 1, 2012, 3:32 a.m. CST

    The newborn scared the fuck out of my thirteen-year-old self.

    by brokentusk

    I remember sneaking into this with a friend (I was obsessed with the Aliens and Predator universe back in the day and the film was rated 16 in South Africa) and coming away quite disturbed by the screaming, skeletal-like newborn at the end. Most people seem to despise the design, and I'm not sure the franchise should have ever "gone there" in the first place, but it really worked for me.

  • June 1, 2012, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Twenty-ish minutes of meh, then its all downhill into Shitsville.

    by Keith Maniac

    Horribly redesigned Aliens (featuring the last refuge of the true HACK creature designer "the dogs hind leg"), the Newborn, everything in site smothered in KY jelly, re-introducing guns, because thats what made Aliens good isnt it.. isnt it ?, the Newborn. Eye-bulging, gurning, over acting, J.E. Freeman i'm looking at you, the Newborn, Dan Hedaya, channeling Nick Tortelli, literally in the scene where they are first viewing the Queen. Whilst on that subject, the Queen being reduced to sitting on a giant, sweating turd, out of which comes the worst thing that has ever happened, anyhwere, to anyone or thing, since time began. The Newborn was wrong. The English dictionary defines wrong as: not correct in action, judgment, opinion, method out of order; awry; amiss, erroneous, mistaken. Brad Dourif's "butterfly" speech, interchangeable, cut-to-fit mercenaries, trying to recapture some residue of the characters we loved in Aliens. This film exemplifies everything that can go wrong with a franchise when the star becomes a producer and the studio haven't got a fucking clue.

  • June 1, 2012, 4:09 a.m. CST

    So I saw Prometheus last wednesday...

    by vee dagama

    and, although it shares the universe and it IS some kind of "genesis" of Alien, it's really not an Alien movie. Like many posters here, i don't consider Resurrection part of the canon. It was the only 'Alien' movie i got to see in the theatres and it made me physically sick how they had butchered the style and feel of the first two films. Alien³ just edges in because of the right(ish) tone but after the sheer brilliance of Aliens, it's kinda pedestrian and lame. Now with Prometheus to enter the series i think i will have another stab at trying to watch the whole Resurrection movie because it does make some sense with the newborn. *spoiler* The main characteristic of the Xenomorph is that it is always a kind of mutation which takes elements of its host and adds them to their inherent morphology. Scott uses this in Prometheus, Fincher used it in Alien³ and Jeunet in Resurrection with the newborn. So it's not all bad for the fourth instalment. But the badass tone has gone completely from that movie . Someone compared the production design with the Fifth Element and i think that's right on the money. The Fifth Element was a vaudeville gay shit sci fi imho. Anyway, looking forward to the next articles in the series.

  • June 1, 2012, 4:20 a.m. CST

    The hybrid baby was the funniest part

    by Fuck The Napkin

    My mate swears this is the best Alien movie simply because of the white mutant. "I love the way the thing on his nose wiggles!", he says. He does a good impression of it too, doing the squeaking noise like Non out of Superman 2. And it dies by having its guts sucked through a tiny hole until its skull drops on the floor, sucked clean! That was good.

  • June 1, 2012, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Newborn was designed by Chris Cunningham

    by tonguestubble

    back before he made amazing music videos and instead worked on Alien3 and painted covers for 2000AD, when he went by the name of Chris Halls he sketches look a lot better than the final thing

  • June 1, 2012, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Quote from www.avpgalaxy.net

    by tonguestubble

    "The final design for the Newborn was inspired by a piece of artwork Chris Halls had drawn of an Alien creature. Woodruff and Gillis then tried to mould Hall’s design with the features that director, Jean-Pierre Jeunet wanted in the Newborn. Things such as eyes and a more human inspired form. Something else that Jean-Pierre was adamant about was that the Newborn had some form of genitals. After a while, Jean-Pierre changed his mind, citing “even for a Frenchman it was too much.” The genitals were digitally removed from the film." nice - they spare us the newborn nuts!

  • June 1, 2012, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Why did they have Dan Hedaya in the movie?

    by tangcameo

    That's what killed it for me. He mugs for the camera with that trembling stare of his and I started expecting to see that ditzy blonde second wife of his from Cheers to pop out of the woodwork.

  • Michael Wincott is Nathan Fillion. Winona is Jewel Staite/Summer Glau, Sigourney is Summer Glau, Ron Perlman is Adam Baldwin.

  • June 1, 2012, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Ripley spin-off

    by Mantula

    After Alien Resurrection, I always felt there should have been a Ripley-clone spin-off movie, instead of Aliens vs. Predator. I thought the Ripley-clone was the only real interesting thing about this movie and thought it would be cool if the character was in its own sci-fi movie WITHOUT the Aliens. Instead, she would have to fight something else or go on some other sort of adventure. I thought that since the Aliens wouldn't be in it, there would be less studio interference and could work with the budget constraints the studio kept putting on these movies (with the biggest cost probably being Sigourney Weaver's paycheck). Also, I thought it should stay close to the tone of the Alien movies, rather than becoming something different like Pitch Black/Chronicles of Riddick. The movie would simply be called "Ripley". - Oh well... I guess I can dream.

  • If anyone has the Blu-Ray set (i'm assuming it's also on regular DVD). listen to the commentary track. Both Ridley Scott AND James Cameron state that Sigourney Weaver wanted the Ripley character to have sex with the Alien creature and be killed. They both said "NO" thank god too. While I like 3 & 4 and the AVP films. it's more for the 'fanboy' in me. But i've always admitted that "Alien" and "Aliens" were the best. Period! I'm sure hollywood had a say in how the scripts went, but I know Sigourney did too. She was billed as producer for both films so, yeah, she got her wish and it FUCKED up the franchise royally. I hope to god she never produces another fucking thing or at least leaves the Alien franchise altogether. I don't want to see another Ripley film i'm burned out with that character and Sigourney. I'm soooo lookin' forward to seeing Noomi Rapace replace Sigourney's ass! ~Rex

  • June 1, 2012, 5:28 a.m. CST

    This is much better than 3

    by disfigurehead

  • June 1, 2012, 6:10 a.m. CST

    I know nobody ever agree but my feelings on A3 and AR...

    by The_Guy_Who_Invented_Coca_Cola

    ...are that <P> Alien 3 = bad premise executed well <P> Alien Resurrection = good premise executed poorly <p> That's not all there is to it, but that sums it up for me.

  • June 1, 2012, 6:10 a.m. CST

    Always thought the Ripley clone should have been more superhuman

    by murray_hamilton

    I really don't remember her doing anything except bouncing a basketball and draining a shot from half-court. Had she been more vicous and animalistic, that might have been more interesting. And have the other survivors be absolutely terrified of her as she might turn on them and attack at any moment. Of course I haven't watched that movie in years, so maybe there is some of that?

  • June 1, 2012, 6:18 a.m. CST

    Best character was Tuco

    by Bodacious_Crumb

  • June 1, 2012, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Joan Jett

    by hspahr

    Joan Jett is really as tall as Sigourney Weaver? That may be the most fascinating fact I've ever learned from AICN. I always assumed she was kind of petite.

  • June 1, 2012, 6:44 a.m. CST

    I know I'm in the minority but I liked this movie

    by baronweazle

    The third act sucks(starting the moment Ripley falls into the alien queen) But I love everything up till that moment. I love the way it is shot, I like all the characters(especially Ron Perlman and Dominque Pinon) ecxept for Winona Ryder, I actually love the score by John Frizzel and I really liked Sigourney Weavers performance as the new version of ripley.

  • June 1, 2012, 7:10 a.m. CST

    I'd much rather you dissect Prometheus

    by Denty420

    ... as most of your contemporaries already have.

  • June 1, 2012, 7:13 a.m. CST

    A few (very few) redeeming qualities...

    by Horgy

    A:R had a few small parts that were great ideas for an Alien movie, but they don't save it. First: the idea of what "the company" would do if they got their hands on some Aliens. I loved the idea of hijacking a ship and kidnapping the hypersleeping crew for alien incubators was great. Plus the "waking up to see eggs" shot was great. <p> Second: the Alien Escape, where they used their brother's acid blood to burn through the floor of the pen was great. <p> Third: I really liked the design of the alien warriors in this movie. You saw way too much of them, so the mystery was gone, but they looked great. <p> Fourth: The whiskey cubes. And the line, "Drink?" "Constantly." Ok, that had nothing to do with being in an Alien movie. They're just fun.<p> The rejected-Ripley-clone scene was awesome, too. That's about it, though.

  • That manages to sound even cheesier than what we got in the finished movie with the mewling baby-thing. A flying chestburster? What did it chew its way out of? And did it have feathers? Flying chestburster. That sounds like bad fan-fic rather than something a professional writer should be coming up with. I can already picture it, flying around like some shitty CG pterosaur from a 'Jurassic Park' movie. I'm glad we were spared that predictable bollocks.

  • June 1, 2012, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Re: "Joss Whedon Didn't Write ALIEN RESURRECTION ..."

    by ArmageddonProductions

    Yeah, I've read those interviews, too, as well as subsequent ones where he kind of admits he might have written a majority of it. Here's the thing, though: any union film underwritten by the Writer's Guild of America goes through a process called arbitration. This can take up to six months, sometimes, even longer. What's arbitration, you ask? That's where a panel of Guild members review ALL DRAFTS OF THE SCREENPLAY, from first draft to shooting draft, to determine who all gets the actual writing credit(s) on the film. While uncredited script doctors, producers and even non-Union cats can alter scenes or punch up dialogue, if they make major alterations to a script, like, let's say, 33 percent or more, they become a credited writer. While I won't contend that there weren't plenty of hands in the cookie jar and that the final product was probably a lot less of what Whedon had envisioned, HE WROTE THE FUCKING SCRIPT, that's why he's the sole credited writer.

  • June 1, 2012, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Great article and this quote......

    by Mark Jones

    "but even that movie’s fans have to admit that the movie takes the audience into a deep dark hole and just abandons them there" Love it, that's why I like that film, it kinda doesn't give a shit but in a good way lol. As for Ressurection... crap. As you said, the tone is completely off and at times feels like some dorky comedy. It also includes the worst moment in the history of cinema: Dan Hedaya picking a piece of his brain out the back of his head and looking at it. Just get out.

  • June 1, 2012, 7:46 a.m. CST

    what's so bad about the alien/human hydrid design???

    by Seth Brundle

    i know im in he minority but, what's so bad about it? ok the premise and the plot with him are lame but the design is pretty much what should come out of a half human , half alien. alien, head, human face, born as mamal, alien legs, human belly, alien/human hands, emotional human eyes, alien behaviour and intelligence i seriously dont know whats so wrong about the design

  • June 1, 2012, 7:51 a.m. CST

    I never had issue with RESURRECTION...

    by Mikey Wood

    ...I actually really enjoyed it. I love all of the ALIEN films (with ALIEN3 being my favorite...so sue me). I know people hate on the Newborn but I really love the design. It's sort of like Lennie from OF MICE AND MEN. A big, simple, mentally disabled creature with immense strength who doesn't know how to control it. Add the Xenomorph DNA into the mix and the killing machine aspect of it...It works for me. Ripley 2's George in the situation. Offing the newborn is a mercy killing as well as a defensive, survival move.

  • June 1, 2012, 7:53 a.m. CST

    GREAT article, BTW...

    by Mikey Wood

    ...looking forward to the rest.

  • June 1, 2012, 7:56 a.m. CST

    I also haven't seen it since opening weekend . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . I remember it having all kinds of potential but just getting progressively more bat-shit insane in a bad way. I still remember the scene where the 2 aliens turn on the 3rd in order to escape from their cell as very awesome. But then the underwater scene lasts a half hour, Ripley dry humps an endless mound of alien parts, the hybrid thing shows up, and then gets sucked out of a hole the size of an apple. Ugggh . . .

  • June 1, 2012, 8:03 a.m. CST

    This is way better than part 3. I don't get the hate.

    by knowthyself

    Whedon perfectly set Ripley agianst her long time rival in a new and fascinating way. I think the director was too weird for his own good. It's a great dirty little R rated alien movie. I don't get why so many people hate it.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Alien 3 is where it's at

    by Samuel Fulmer

    When it comes to "bad" alien sequels. Sure it's bleak, but if you're one of those whine babies that cries about Hicks and Newts' deaths, just pretend it's an alternate timeline or a bad dream.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:04 a.m. CST

    defense of Juenet-- possible factors

    by chifforobe

    I always figured the main problem for him was that it was in English-- you can always sort of tell when a director doesn't share the first language of his actors. I'm not sure but I'd guess this was also the first film he had no hand in writing. I think he learned from these mistakes-- his movies vary, but they've never been truly bad-- except for this one. Another example of the language issue, to support my case, would be "Invincible" by Werner Herzog. He'd dabbled in English, but I believe this was the first dramatic film shot entirely and only in English-- and my god was it bad. And this is who I call the greatest director of all time. But-- he figured it out and came back with "Rescue Dawn"-- which is a perfect film.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:10 a.m. CST

    seth-- the problem is that the design looks like a pile of mush

    by chifforobe

    It just looks bad-- it's not cool. A squishy skull face with eyes behind the eye sockets does not work aesthetically. It's not spooky.

  • "I'll Kill you!! Does that compute"!!

  • June 1, 2012, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Newt and Hicks' deaths in ALIEN3 work...

    by Mikey Wood

    ...because it makes all of what Ripley went through in ALIENS be for nothing. It gives her no reason to keep on and it fills her with a passionate hate for the Xenomorph. As of that point she becomes an Alien killing machine. Born again hard. Newt's death (moreso than Hicks') gives Ripley the balls and anger to do what she has to do in the end.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:14 a.m. CST

    The Black Guy (Christie) was cool as well.

    by Stalkeye

    Something about the way he uses those enclosed pistols. This movie had potentual, but they ruined it from the minute some genuis decided to bring Ripley back...as a clone at that. Can you say; "Oops, we fucked up with Alien 3, now we gotta salvage what's left of the franchise". Idiots.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Why the fuck did they call it a "quadrilogy"? It's a "tetralogy".

    by Jet Jaguar

  • Ergo, there would be no reason for A:R to exist.

  • Alien $10M Aliens $35M Alien 3 $50M Alien R. $75M

  • June 1, 2012, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Back up in yo ass wit the resurrection

    by Mugato5150

    Actually, originally Alien 3 *was* supposed to be a dream. Ripley wakes up with a scar on her chest.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:31 a.m. CST

    As for the script, it was shot virtually as-is from Whedon

    by Jaster Mareel

    With very few changes. The most significant change was that instead of having the final battle with the newborn on the drop ship, it was on Earth, and Whedon's newborn had a crab claw for a head.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Excited for the A3 talkback

    by I am_NOTREAL

    I love debating that movie, even though I personally don't care for it, theatrical or director's cut, and am generally a fan of Fincher and know he got screwed over left and right. It's a mess of a movie but a fascinating mess for sure. A:R was just blah. A few good notes here and there, a couple of decent scenes, but basically just wrongheaded from the word go. I saw it once in the theater in 1997 and have never revisited it, outside of a minute or two on cable. Just never felt the need, that first exposure was enough.

  • whedon might be able to write comic book style but hes way out of his league with alien 4.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:41 a.m. CST

    like so many other anticipated sequels from my youth

    by the new transported man

    This is one of those films that I, as a younger chap, unfortunately anticipated. Without the myriad movie website of today, I'd hear about a sequel to one of my treasured films, see it upon release, & leave the theater in woeful disappointment. Sequels like: -Alien Resurrection -Alien 3 -Batman & Robin (didn't see Batman Forever) -Jurassic Park 2 -Jurassic Park 3 Then I discovered the internet, & luckily avoided floaters like Terminator 3. Man oh man that movie sucked.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:41 a.m. CST

    The director's cut is better, with one exception

    by Jaster Mareel

    They put on the original Juenet opening credits...which are stupid and completely tonally wrong. Even Juenet on the commentary admits the swirling clone parts credits are far better and appropriate. I can't remember all the little changes to the director's cut, but one is when she is being shown flash cards and asked to name them. One card is of a little blond girl, and you can tell this image emotionally affects her and also that she doesn't understand why. It's really a beautiful moment and should have been in the theatrical cut.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:43 a.m. CST

    One MORE time...

    by Sandy

    For the umpteenth time....and please get this through your head... The creature in Alien is not....I repeat...NOT called "The Xenomorph". That is not that species' formal name. The word "xenomorph" is a general term derived from the Greek words zenos for 'alien' or 'strange' and morphe for 'shape' or 'form' that is meant by the Colonial Marines in the film Aliens to refer to ANY....that's correct...ANY alien species. In other words, literally interpreted 'xenomorph' means alien form, so the creatures in Predator, E.T., Close Encounters, The Thing, Independence Day, This Island Earth, Invaders From Mars, Starship Troopers, and yes even Killer Klowns From Outer Space could also be referred to as 'xenomorphs'. This is supported by rewatching Aliens and actually PAYING ATTENTION to the dialog for the ENTIRE scene as well as doing a little research.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Haven't seen it since it premiered

    by Huelya

    and I vowed to never watch it agaon. I still remember how I hated the look of the movie and I was disgusted of the hybrid. It took me some time to appriciate Alien 3, but in the end I did. I still hate the fact, that they killed Hicks and Newt like they did, but despite everything it's still a good movie. The first one is the best, but I prefer Aliens. It's one of those rare movies I can watch over and over again.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Jeunet no impact on the script? Listen to the commentary

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    He was all proud of his stupid quirky crap like making the locks open when you breath into them. #1 Core problem with this movie is their paired a heavy dialog jokey American writer with a heavy visual French director. Sounds good on paper (covers all the bases), failed horribly because their "got" what the other was good at so you saw the worst of both.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Mmm. Hybrid slurpee.

    by UltraTron

  • June 1, 2012, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Actually, my uninformed friend...

    by Sandy

    The producers at Brandywine were completely against Alien Resurrection.

  • I don't understand why anyone bothers to write paragraphs and paragraphs about this film. You don't like it, fine. You aren't going to change the film, you aren't going to change anyone's opinion that does like it. But yes, you will get a whole bundle of people agree with you and cry in unison that it's not like (Cameron's) Aliens, which in all honesty is what ninety per cent of so-called Alien fans want. Really, thank fuck the people that bitch about this have no influence on movies. I can only imagine how Aliens; part 2, part 3, part 4, etc, etc, would have turned out as Hicks and company fight wave after wave of alien, on every planet they happen to stop at! Anyway, fortunately for me I'm a genuine fan of the (proper) Alien franchise (Predators are shit, B-rate quality that ruin all the films they appear in) and don't take the movies so seriously that a little dark humour in one isn't a concern for me. I happen to think this franchise is very good. I like that each film has a very different feel. I treat them all individually, and appreciate them for what they are. I think all four are very well acted, well written, well designed, well directed, and well... fun! I just wish people that don't appreciate the fourth in the series would just stop watching it and forget all about it.

  • Not a bad film. I had no problem with 3 either.

  • What you see is Whedon's stock characters doing stock Whedon stuff.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:50 a.m. CST

    DEFENSE!

    by Brian

    This movie had something the other Alien films didn't have... fresh eyes and whimsy. That's what Jeunet is REALLY known for, Nord. This director shouldn't have been hired. Now, it's the future in the Alien world and in ours. We've been terrorized in the shadows already. The idea is that we have the Aliens bottled. It's been experimented on and held to the light. It's a creature of pure death and it can't be weaponized because it is already a weapon. And as long as they're replicating Ripley's they will have problems researching it. Anyway, all the problems seem to lie with Fox. They wanted to render CGI Alien models on a budget with a battered script and the wrong director. End of story. All that said, I like it the movie a lot and I've seen it more times than all the others.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Haven't read the talkbacks yet but

    by phifty2

    WHAT A MISSED OPPORTUNITY! I mean, you have a plausible way to get Ripley back, aliens loose on a military ship, mercenaries, rejected clones(one of the better scenes), guns and, again, fucking aliens running havok on a military vessel! Whedon's script was fine. The director they chose was just Not The Man For The Job End of story.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Okay, the_moseph...

    by Mikey Wood

    ..tell us, oh wise sage: What ARE we supposed to call them?

  • June 1, 2012, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Alien escape

    by electraglide

    The only scene in the movie that deserves a place in the first was the jail break scene... I'm guessing it was Whedon's to have the aliens escape by attacking one of their own and using their acid blood, it smacks of Whedon and all the better for it... rest of the film was utter shite though

  • June 1, 2012, 8:55 a.m. CST

    *first 2 movies

    by electraglide

  • June 1, 2012, 8:56 a.m. CST

    And I absolutely agree...

    by Sandy

    wholeheartedly on the look of the aliens in this film. They don't even look like real creatures...they look like rubber monster suits, which of course, they are. All the KY is meant to hide that fact, but fails miserably. The creature in Alien wasn't completely covered in slime. It drooled a lot (which actually looked like drool unlike Cameron's sticky half dried silicone) and the hand at the end in the Narcissus appeared to glisten with what looks like an outer membrane (just as the facehugger in that original film appears to not be wet, but rather has a slimy looking membrane covering it). That creature, to this very day, still looks like a REAL monster. It's face 'seems' to really be it's face whereas the ones in Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection look more like puppet heads.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Yes Juenet influenced the script

    by Jaster Mareel

    Cornball stuff like the breath locks, Dan Hedaya looking at his brain, Dominique Pinon, etc. That stuff certainly did not help the film. Juenet is of course a brilliant director and has a very unique visual flair. When he was announced I thought he was absolutely perfect because of Delicatessen and City of Lost Children. The truth of the matter is that he didn't want the job and flat out refused it a couple of times. In the end he probably did it for the money and exposure. And that's never a good way to approach art.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Disagree

    by BackwardGalaxy

    This movie is nowhere near as poor as everyone makes it out to be. The AvP films were ten times worse than this. And Alien 3... that was a very good movie. I don't care what anyone says. Not "okay". Not "underrated". It was a very good movie.

  • I was an adult when I saw this, and that was STILL the stuff of nightmares.

  • He gets all excited because she and some other androids broke out of jail or something? He's on a fucking ship fighting previously unknown(to him) extraterrestrials and is spazzed and geeked out over some android? That never sat right with me. Can anyone explain his reaction in the context of the events presently happening?

  • June 1, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Whedon's original script WAS great

    by submarinevoyage

    I was in college in 96 and was able to read the script thanks to a friend with a parent in the industry. Had no idea who Joss Whedon was, but man was the script awesome - filled with really clever, exciting moments. I remember being shocked and thrilled when the two aliens ripped apart the third to cause his acid blood to burn through their cell and free them - which read as one of the coolest scenes I could imagine. I was incredibly psyched for the movie. And then the movie opened and... ouch. It was the first time I personally saw how things can get so twisted and screwed up by the time they hit the screen, even if you start with something great.

  • June 1, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Newborn was one of the worst cinematic ideas ever

    by HamburgerEarmuffs

    Seriously, teh movie went from mediocre to downright laughable after that.

  • June 1, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST

    The alien stopped looking like a real creature after the first film

    by Jaster Mareel

    Cameron is as guilty of this as the rest. For one thing, Scott hired Bolaji Badejo as the alien. Dude had a severely bizarre form. Very tall and unbelievably skinny. Then he had Giger HIMSELF create the alien suit out of real bones and found objects. Lastly, Scott shot the alien very carefully so you never get an accurate sense of its scale and full form. I remember not having a completely clear idea of what it looked like until I saw the commercial for that creepy-assed doll. I wanted that fucker so bad but my mom said it would give me nightmares. The COMMERCIAL for that doll gave me nightmares so I guess I fucking showed her! Cameron fucked up Giger's design in many ways. First off, he hired regular stuntmen to play them. So they're normally dimensioned people who more or less move normally. Cameron also started the bullshit of having them look through the neck, which all later Alien films mimicked. Cameron changed the hands and feet to be far less interesting and more b-movie monster. And of course, got rid of the cowl, nigh unforgivable. He also got rid of the black color because in Cameron's world, everything must be blue for some fucking reason. I'm not saying the aliens in Cameron's film are bad or uneffective, just not nearly as well-conceived and subconsciously disturbing aas the creature in Scott's film.

  • June 1, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Alien 3, Alien lacked motivation

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Wasn't threatened (fat monks with no weapons). Wasn't hungry (seemingly just nibbled and then dropped the bodies to amuse itself with "jump scares"). And was killing all the potential hosts for its race EVEN after noticing Ripley had a bun in the oven (which it then let run around and potentially fall in a vat of molten lead rather than safely coccon up in a heating vent).

  • June 1, 2012, 9:21 a.m. CST

    I like Alien 3, but in clear contradiction to its many flaws

    by Jaster Mareel

    I remember leaving the theater with a real =WTF was that?= feeling. I was very confused during the chase through the hallways scene. I had no idea who was running where and it was difficult to keep track of what progress was being made. Subsequent viewings cleared it up a bit, but that first showing was a lot of =Whaaaaa?=. The whole thing was so downbeat culminating with the ending from T2. It also felt very small compared to Aliens because at the end of the day it didn't have much action. I later found out this was because as a stipulation of her return, Sigourney Weaver insisted on Execute Producer credit and a mandate that Hicks and Newt be dead and there be no guns. So...thanks for that BITCH!

  • June 1, 2012, 9:24 a.m. CST

    lightwriter

    by phifty2

    No. No love for Perlman. He sucked in this. Acting like a monkey in his intro and dropping a knife into a ship mate's leg. Then getting all mad when Call breaks what looks like a sharpened piece of scrap metal than an actual knife. They try to establish his toughness but it just doesn't work and is odd. Then trained military men are afraid to pat him down. Why? And how does the guy get through with the guns in his sleaves? They are metal right? And in the basketball scene Ripley throws the ball at Perlman's face and for that some guy delivers a shot to her head wth a piece of metal that would easily kill, if not cause severe brain damage to an ordinary human. I guess her alien side makes her a little tougher and that's fine but this dude went to kill her because she threw a fing basketball. Stupid. Just some more WTF, why are these people acting this way, kind of moments. Fucking stupid ass film.

  • June 1, 2012, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Newborn design was by Giger

    by Zenslinger

    I can remember the skull face on the alien carapace existed, possibly conceived by Giger before the first film. I give the third and fourth films credit for conceptually trying to go in the right direction. Execution varies.

  • June 1, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Giger did NOT design the newborn

    by Jaster Mareel

    Here is Alec Gilles and Tom Woodruff talking about how they designed the newborn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U0uZyFvuhY

  • June 1, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection Sucked Balls

    by BilboRing

    Fuck Alien 3. Aliens was such an amazing film and the ending was so dramatic and awesome that you kill 2 of the only 3 survivors right off the bat? You kill Newt and Hicks so basically Aliens had no meaning. FUCK YOU!!! Oooh you are so dark and twisted. NOT!! And Ripley's speech to the inmates was attrocious writing. "They think we're...crud." Crud? Are you fucking for real? The franchise stopped after Aliens. Terminator stopped after T2. Predator stopped after Predator 2.

  • June 1, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Also...

    by phifty2

    ...too many people survive in the movie. Out of all the mercs and Destphawhatever, who are essentially our main supporting cast, only three die.

  • June 1, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST

    The AvP movies were also fucking awful!

    by BilboRing

    Just FYI.

  • June 1, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Since the_moseph hasn't answered my question...

    by Mikey Wood

    ...I'm just going to keep referring to them as Xenomorphs.

  • Liked the mercs, the sets, the shifty scientists & the abductions / experiments. can't imagine what it'd be like to get hoodwinked, then wake up face down, looking eye-to-eye with an Alien egg. Crap. In. A. Hat.

  • June 1, 2012, 10:02 a.m. CST

    the good parts of this movie:

    by zom-bot.com

    -the betty and crew -the clone lab (and i hated the idea of ripley being cloned at all) -alien killing alien to escape -underwater chase -guy in wheelchair survives entire thing. everything else is suck. i look back on it a lot softer than i did when i saw it in the theater. i wanted to kill someone back then.

  • June 1, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST

    I HATE ALIEN 3

    by BADBOYBROM HC

    I really do. One of the most depressing experiences I've ever had in the cinema. Truly awful from the minute it began to the minute it ended. Even Fincher hates it. Makes watching Aliens a pointless exercise. Doesn't make any sense, is really boring, has terrible effects, features no decent characters, and killed the franchise dead. Had it not been an official Alien movie, it's plot would have been slaughtered for a tired old Alien Wannabe. You can clearly see the script was being made up all along. Resurrection have many faults but it's a far more enjoyable and interesting watch than the third instalment. By the way Prometheous is terrible as well. I'd rather have an eagle eat my liver over and over than have to watch it again.

  • June 1, 2012, 10:19 a.m. CST

    I walked out of that piece of crap film

    by Tony

  • June 1, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST

    How many excuses do you have to make for Whedon?

    by seasider

    Even without studio meddling and creative differences, this movie was gonna be a dud. The guy just wrote a weak script end of story.

  • June 1, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Solid overview, Nordling

    by AlienFanatic

    Nicely encapsulates how many of us feel. The film is even more ridiculous if you watch the "director's cut" with the opening shot panning out from a guy squishing a bug. It was obvious from that scene alone that Jeunet was absolutely wrong for the franchise. <rant> And, I hate to be a broken record, but I cannot STAND the work that Gillis and Woodruff have done at ADI. They absolutely butchered the Alien and the Predator costumes and have shown no creative acumen whatsoever in their creature designs. They were perhaps some of the best of Stan Winston's fabricators when it came to the actual application and manufacture of suits, but on their own their shop is a mere shadow of the greatness that Stan was able to assemble in his heyday. Imo, Gillis and Woodruff might be great guys, but they were a large part of why the Alien and Predator series cratered. </rant> :)

  • June 1, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Nice write up and thoughts.

    by wonderboy2402

    I agreed with alot of the statements. Alien Resurrection did ring very hollow. I suppose the "Best" parts for me, were the merc crew (very nice), alien design looked interesting, and some of the effect shots such as the exterior ship were great. But the story... god the story. Didn't like the direction at all and was poorly executed to boot.

  • Could have been Serenity with Aliens. Instead we got wacky French guy trying to make visual gags in a horror movie. I think this and the Buffy movie are obvious examples of when a director misses the tone of a script it turns into a horrible movie.

  • June 1, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST

    The newborn being sucked out the hole in the ship

    by Raptor Jesus

    Was pure torture porn. A vile, vile scene in a vile, vile movie. Fuck everyone involved in this piece of shit.

  • June 1, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    I tolerated this vs. Alien3 which sent me into a lather.

    by impossibledreamers

    First, they kill off the entire Aliens cast - except Ripley. I'm sure the Dark Horse comics guys LOVED that one considering all the Newt stories they had done. After that, the movie is extremely forgettable. Despite some good acting - most the characters are a blur and the whole film is an exercise in trying to stay awake. Resurrection may have been a hot ghetto mess but the characters were memorable and you actually felt something in a few scenes.

  • I was kinda hoping you'd actually dissect the films - meaning to over them in fine detail. But it was a cool read nonetheless. I loathe Resurrection. It's absolute crap. Alien3's Assembly Cut is pretty sweet. I actually think it's a pretty good film and a good ending to the franchise (I'll always pretend Resurrection never happened). The original is still the best, with Aliens being a really great change-up - that actually works.

  • June 1, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Resurrwrecktion

    by apersonofinterest

    The biggest problem with this movie was the creature design. All of it. The Aliens. The Queen. The Clones. The Abomination of a Baby Hybrid. And that was the main thing they had to get right. I like alot of the characters. New Bad Ass Clone Ripley. Perlman. The Betty's Captain (The Dude from the Crow). Call didn't bother me that much. I think they stuck her in the story for Ripley to "mother", which means there was no need for the Hybrid. Or else, I guess there was no need for Call. Someone had conflicting ideas. The scene under water was ridiculous. I hate underwater scenes where they are under water far longer than someone could have held their breath. A few of them should have died under there. And the Aliens looked terrible under the water. Oh well. Alien3 was a fantastic movie so I stick with the original trilogy and forget everything that's come since.

  • June 1, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    "Lose the antagonist!"

    by opteryx

    That's what I hated the most about this film. The alien series wasn't about an alien "bad guy," it was about a corporate enemy, the alien just happened to be in the middle of it. Resurrection decided to remove the series' antagonist from the film. And having Weyland-Yutani bought out by Walmart? C'mon, could you get any lazier? And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the planet in Alien 3 Fiorina "Fury" 161, and in Resurrection they say it was Fury 16?

  • June 1, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    @lowdevil

    by Kremzeek

    Whedon is not overrated. However, he was still a pretty young writer at the time of Resurrection. Even if the blame is his (which it's not), you can't expect a writer to hit it out of the park every single time - especially when you've got so many people trying to force you into unnecessary corners. Whedon's track record for good writing is pretty solid. His successes far outweigh and outnumber his missteps. You can't say that about many writers. He's in an elite group. Could Avengers have been better in someone else's hands? Doubt it.

  • June 1, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Totally agree about the slimy aliens

    by photoboy

    I thought the aliens in this film all looked terrible, they started looking worse with every film from 3 onwards. I really think Gilles and Woodfuff started phoning it in. Not only were the aliens covered in gunk, they also had horrid lumpen hands that looked nothing like the elegant six-fingered hands seen on the creature in Alien. Don't even get me started on the terrible CGI versions that looked completely different from the physical suits... Like Ash (who was played by Brian Cox) said, they're supposed to be the perfect lifeform, not your average B-movie monster. I believe Joss Whedon wanted the newborn to be a bone-white spider creature, which had a shiny, hard external carapace like the aliens, rather than the rubber suit they ended up with. The final battle was also supposed to be in a junk yard on Earth but it was cut for budget. I remember an interview with Whedon where he visited the Resurrection set after the Buffy TV series had premiered and they commented how the characters on Buffy spoke just like the characters in his Resurrection script, at which point mental alarm bells started for Whedon and he asked how they were speaking the lines. Having seen the film it's clear they didn't really get the tone Whedon was going for (not that I'm some die-hard Whedon-ite, the script certainly had problems). I do disagree about Resurrection's score being forgettable. I thought the main theme was pretty great and there were several other good cues. The score isn't really in the same league as the ones from first three films, but it did a good job overall and it did include a brief reference back to Jerry Goldsmith's music too. I think really Resurrection should have pretended Alien 3 never happened and instead did an Alien war movie on Earth with Ripley, Hicks and Newt mixed up in it. Sure it's unoriginal but it would have at least been more in line with expectations. I'm looking forward to the Alien 3 retrospective. For a while I kind of liked the film, certainly the cinematography, score and set designs are arguably among the best in the series, but the script was such wretched last minute shite that I can't really give the film a pass these days. Roll on Prometheus!

  • June 1, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Forgot to mention...

    by photoboy

    ... the scene with the clone Ripleys was fucking excellent. It was a really dark and sickening scene and I wish I'd seen it unspoiled in the cinema but I'd already read the novelization. Back then I was a total spoiler whore, these days I can't stand spoilers!

  • June 1, 2012, noon CST

    Alien3 is like a dream

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    it really has that skewed reality feel to it that dreams have. It is like I watched a version of it where Newt, Hicks and Ripley battle aliens again and it's all very entertaining and whatnot. But I was snacking on cheese, and that night I dreamt a weird dream where Hicks and Newt died really early on, off screen, Bishop came back but there was something not right about him, and half the early 90's cast of Casualty were running round with their heads shaved.<P>

  • June 1, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Next article: Jack&Jill a perfect Humorism.

    by Zurge

    Jesus fucking Christ, Joss Wheddon could sell you a his excrement and you'd go all "2 cups and 1 girl" on it.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST

    and after Aliens, there was nowhere for the franchise to go but Earth

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    we'd seen the claustrophobic take on a spaceship, and Aliens gave us (more or less) more of the same, but on a larger scale. The third should have been all out war, but became the same old thing, confined space. I'm not saying I wanted Charge of the Light Brigade but retreading the 'stuck on a spaceship/colony' plot got boring by the third, so for the fourth film to just go back to the first film's setup smacks of laziness and a lack of imagination.<P> I have the same feeling with the 'ANOTHER terminator goes back in time..' element of, well, Terminator. It worked for the first two but then, enough. I'll bet any money the next one follows suit.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST

    I have fond memories of this one.

    by Jason

    Only saw it once, in the theater on Thanksgiving, but I remember feeling like it was a decent slice of hardcore sci-fi. I especially remember the scene of Ripley finding her clones and thinking that was really well done. Also, my girlfriend at the time was a total nympho and couldn't keep her hands off my dick the whole movie. Fond memories...

  • June 1, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Winona Ryder was worse in this film than Sofia Coppola in Godfather III

    by Samuel Fulmer

  • June 1, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Never understood fanboy hate for this movie.

    by Tikidonkeypunch

    Sure Alien is regarded as one of the trendsetters for sci fi horror and is a fantastic atmosphere movie. Aliens is a fan favorite and is regarded as one of, if not, Cameron's best. Unless either of those directors(thank god for Prometheus) comes back to the franchise it's never gonna be that good again. Now taking these movies that don't take themselves too seriously adds for a fun sci fi adventure. I enjoyed the shit out of this movie and can still go back and watch it again.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Correct raptor_jesus!

    by DoctorWho?

    Couldn't agree more. And can't wait for the Alien 3 write up by Nordling. Seems a lot of people are fond of that movie. Killing off Bishop, Hicks and Newt from the get-go was just a tragic waste of possibilities. I never want to revisit that one again.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Shoulda called it, Alien: Abomination

    by thot

    A ridiculous piece of shit movie that is an embarrassment to the franchise. Can't believe Weaver signed on for it. In my mind, only Alien and Aliens exist. Done.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Agree With Nordling

    by Mako

    ...Except I think he found even more positive things than I did. ALIEN:R is a mess of a movie. I went to see it twice in the theaters cause I didn't want to believe how bad it was. But when I saw it a second time - it was even worse. I am also not a big fan of ALIEN3. But unlike ALIEN:R at least Fincher's direction was right for the series. And some of the characters and acting was much better. But wow did it seem like a slap in the face for those of us who loved ALIENS. Ugg... it's a shame ALIEN:R exists at all.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    samuel, you're crazy

    by Jason

    Sofia Coppola in Godfather 3 is the epitome of terrible acting. Love her as a director, though.

  • It really freaked me out when I saw the movie in the theater. So I have to give the designers credit. Wasn’t it the same people who did Pumpkinhead? Also I give the director credit for giving us the nice, lingering close-up of that girl’s ass in the thong. And of course the girl, for putting in the work required to maintain such a nice ass. If there were a ‘best ass’ academy award I think she would have been a lock that year. Other than those things, it was kind of a waste of a movie I think. I have seen many worse movies, but it was just kind of a rehash of a lot of things from the earlier films with some new, ill-advised twists thrown in. The entire Ripley resurrection thing seemed so incredibly forced. I love the Ripley character, but why did she absolutely have to be in this movie? There were so many different ways they could have gone.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    chickenstu - yeah she was pretty hot.

    by Jason

    Unfortunately the super horny chicks tend to also be super crazy bitches, and she was no exception. Fun while it lasted, though. Alien Anthology blu should arrive today. $29.99 for that thing - what a steal.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST

    The 1st AVP was...

    by PJ

    ...better this miserable excuse for an Alien movie. It's not that I loved AVP. I just didn't hate it as much as Resurrection. AVP gets a 4. This piece of shit is a 2.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST

    I remember actually being depressed...

    by Racer Z

    When I walked out of the theater after seeing Resurrection. I was absolutely crushed that they had taken what was (and possibly still is) the single greatest movie monster ever designed and butchered it down to that abominable mess of flesh. Never had I been so upset about the turn a movie franchise had taken (until the AvP movies came out that is). Alien 3 is by far a better film. It has its fair share of mistakes, but the tone and the characters still fit in the Alien universe. Resurrection just tramples on everything that made the original Scott film such a masterpiece.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    The Cloned Alien...

    by BayAreaFilm

    One of my biggest struggles with this movie (and there are a lot of them) is that the cloning 'science' in this film is completely unbelievable. I know, this is sci-fi and a movie and all, but does it make any sense that Ripley's DNA would produce a clone that had an alien gestating inside it? The alien is a parasite that is born from an egg implanted in a host where it (presumably) samples the host's DNA as a template for it's 'adult' form. Now, one could assume that the alien egg would transform the DNA of the host in order to survive the process of gestating a creature with acid for blood in it's body. In that case, the clone that results from sampling a 'host' could be stronger and more resilient, etc. - Super Ripley as she appears in this film. This might explain why the alien has to lobotomize their hosts and encase them in goo... However, it doesn't follow that the gestating alien would be cloned along with Ripley. Does this make any more sense than cloning a pregnant woman's DNA and creating a pregnant clone? I know it sounds stupid, but this is a plot hole you could fly the Nostromo through. I personally thought that Super Ripley was one of the better parts of AR. Her figurative "alienness" from Alien 3 has now become overt alienness through her resurrection. The idea that the military would try to clone her in order to create human/alien hybrid super-soldiers is far more plausible, but then people would bitch that there weren't face huggers and chest bursters running around.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Anyone else jerk it to Winona Ryder?

    by BIG_BAD_WOLF_IN_CAPS

    She's fuckin' FINE. Especially in the hilarious Mr Deeds. Talk about making my balls ACHE!!!

  • http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,290516,00.html

  • June 1, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    Sigourney looked like Danzig in this one

    by alienindisguise

  • That's the way I look at it -- they never happened.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST

    ;BAH I say, I love Ressurection!

    by sonnyfern

    It can't hold a candle to the first two, but I think it's just as flawed and fucked as the third, I would never call it a "bad" movie though. It's different that's for sure, but there's stuff I love about it. I love the cast in 4, Brad Douiff rocks in it, Ron Pearlman too. I like the crazy halfbreed alien, felt bad for it when it got sucked out the ship, thought it was a sad little creature. But mostly, what I love about 4 is the freaking GORE! The gore is spectacular and there's some really cool little moments in it that make me smile every time I watch it...not the hairy shoulders though. Fuck those. Otherwise though it's a very DIFFERENT Alien movie, but that's not a BAD thing. I'd love for them to be all as brilliant and incredible as the first two, but that ain't gonna happen. I'll take it for what it is and that's a crazy as fuck little alien movie.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST

    This was good

    by Chris

    Like many of you, I've been going back and rewatching the Alien movies in anticipation of Prometheus, and while I agree that this is the weakest of the bunch I was hoping this article would go into more detail on why the movie doesn't work, you know, particular scenes, which actors worked (Ron Pearlman, of course!) and who didn't (everybody else.) I guess what I'm saying is, I was hoping for a longer read, that's all

  • June 1, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Alien 3

    by sideway

    I remember seeing Alien 3 with my friends on opening day. It was like a sucker punch, and not in a good way. Such a comedown after Alien and Aliens. I'm working my way through the blu ray set and and watching part 3 in increments. I can appreciate it now, but I don't find it enjoyable. I guess I'm in the minority on Resurrection. It feels like an alternate Alien story. Kind of like a Dark Horse comic version. I'm looking forward to revisiting it again this weekend.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Whedon haters are so cute...

    by kells

    ...with their tiny cuddly brains and cute inability to grasp even the simplest of concepts, like Alien Resurrection isn't actually what Whedon wrote. Enjoy them now...they get so big so fast.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST

    The one thing AVP got right

    by Chris

    was Lance Henrikson as Weyland... the world needs more Lance

  • June 1, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST

    I rewatched the extended cut of Alien 3 last night...

    by kells

    ...it's way better than the theatrical cut, and some of the acting is pretty damn good. Not all, but some.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST

    kabookieslap

    by slder78

    I don't know where you got the info that the studio used Whedon's name for advertising purposes, but that make no sense. Why would they use his name based on his work on Speed when he wasn't even given a credit for it? "From the uncredited writer of 'Speed' comes 'Alien Resurrection.'" As for the Superman credits, the Newman's didn't ask for their name to be taken off. They wanted to remain listed as writers. Also, having your name removed from the credits isn't the only option. You can use a pseudonym. I don't buy that Whedon was contractually obligated to have his name be listed as writer (unless he himself demanded it be in there). If you have a source or link then I'll concede the point, but that doesn't sound right at all. He didn't have any cache for his name to be used in such a way yet. I sure as hell didn't hear anyone say, "Joss Whedon wrote the new Alien movie? Hell ya I'm going to watch it!"

  • June 1, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    raptor_jesus post is spot on

    by Ultron ver 2.0

    the horrid death of the Newborn in that fashion was the cherry on that fecal greaseball disguised as a movie. A pox on all those involved!

  • June 1, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Felt bad for the Newborn, actually....

    by drewlicious

    The look of anguish when it got sucked out the hole was incredibly as to me. It was alive for ten minutes and it gets betrayed and killed by the one thing it identifies as its mother. I officially decided to downgrade my rating of the movie from "disliked" to "hate." Besides, why would they need to even add a new design? The xenomorphs are perfect killing machines. I would have respected the movie more if the story would show some curiousity about their biology. I mean, they practically live forever even in the vacuum of space and I don't think I've ever seen them eat. Have they ever been caught eating what they kill? Because other than impregnating the survivors they just seem to leave corpses and gore in their wake.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:38 p.m. CST

    I'm 100% certain that the name Call was Whedon's work

    by bah

  • For a moment, I thought she was gonna break into a song and dance number during highly tense scenes: "Mother, thell your Children not to hold my hand..."

  • June 1, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Sacrilege

    by Timmid

    Aliens was a definite trend setter and Aliens a complete turnaround -- loved the concept of heavily armed marines against the bad ass creature from the first film. The sacrilege bit -- I don't think for one second that Alien was scary and it may be my slightly fatalistic approach to life but, once she's set the self destruct on the Nostromo she'd effectively beaten the creature and what happened after that didn't matter to me. Agree with somebody else on here that 3 was a poor idea executed reasonably well and 4 was a decent idea in parts, but executed poorly. Weavers name attached as a producer rang warning bells for me --generally actors should stay well out of it. Pearlmans early Jane character was a fun part of the film but it was just a bit too stupid in parts e.g. everybody seemed to be able to hold their breathe for hours in the underwater sequence. Ryders reluctance to plug into the ship and then no consequences when she did etc etc. Not as depressing as 3 though.

  • Coming early next Year for Xbox and PS3 kiddies.

  • June 1, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah

    by Timmid

    And apparently you can bring a ship into re-entry with a window out and not suffer any consequences

  • June 1, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST

    I really like it

    by pumaman

    And I will continue to watch it.

  • June 1, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Dark Horse 1989 AVP was a first-rate comic...

    by zinc_chameleon

    and it would have been a worthy addition to the franchise; because it established the Predators as an intelligent, if violent race. The question posed to Broken Tusk in the novelization is a classic: "Why do we hunt the Soft Meat (humans)? They are not worthy prey, not like the Hard Meat (xenomorphs). BT's answer: "Simple. It is because they are cunning and have no honor." Best description of human in a long time, imho.

  • June 1, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Ya know I cant lay off the tall ones!!

    by thedoctor28

  • June 1, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    @ zinc

    by thedoctor28

    Yeah they have honer! They kill people that cant even see where they are! Real honorable way to kill!!! FUCK BT, I would kick his ass, pussy...

  • June 1, 2012, 5 p.m. CST

    I love that on a planet covered with lice, they have a pet dog

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    To conviently be an alien incubator (and the crain operator never notices it getting nabbed). That whole movie seemed like , "I was an isolated location that's not a space ship"... "I got it, a planet... a reformed PRISON planet" "I want them to all be bald"... "I got it, planet covered with lice!". "I want a shot of the Alien right in Ripley's face"... "I got it, it realizes she's got a queen in her and leaves her alone!". Just a series of dumb ideas that would look good on film.

  • June 1, 2012, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Well done Nordling.

    by John McG

  • June 1, 2012, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Also, looking forward to the next installment!

    by John McG

  • June 1, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Any comments on the special editions?

    by berserkrl

    Each of the four ALIENS movies comes in 2 versions now. The ending of the special edition of ALIEN: RESURRECTION is quite different from that of the theatrical version; why nothing in the review about that?

  • June 1, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST

    @chickenstu

    by berserkrl

    I think the special edition ending is a lot better than the theatrical ending. Given what we know of Earth's history in the series, grim and bleak seems more plausible than "how beautiful!"

  • June 1, 2012, 5:41 p.m. CST

    one weird thing about this movie ...

    by berserkrl

    is that the villains all play it as though it's a comedy and that they should be popping their eyes a lot.

  • June 1, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Still can't dislike it

    by Anthony Renfro

    It's flawed, but there still is something about it that I tend to like. I guess I'm just a sucker for an alien movie. Couldn't stand the hybrid at the end though.

  • Seriously. Alien: R is no masterpiece and is so far removed from the original Alien that I like to pretend (like I do with the AVP films) that it simply doesn't exist in the Alien universe. With that being said it's a lot of fun. Really, it is. Ron Perlman, midget cripple, cloned Ripley with super human strength, etc. I respect why die hard Alien fans think it is shit but honestly this movie is SO not meant for you. They couldn't even begin to recapture the greatness of the original so they went where they had to: a completely different direction and film. It was either that or not make it at all. Which I'm sure the nerds in here would have preferred, but not the execs at Fox :)

  • June 1, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Ripley/Danzig post made me LOL. It's the jaw line.

    by adeceasedfan

  • June 1, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST

    When Ash is describing the Alien...

    by Logan_1973

    I always felt like he was describing himself; hence the admiration.

  • June 1, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST

    PROMETHEUS does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    The Dojo's PROMETHEUS REVIEW. 100% Safe and Spoiler Free. I went into PROMETHEUS having *mostly* steered clear of the spoilers from these last weeks and im certainly not going to be an asshole and spoil anything here. If you just want to know *how good is PROMETHEUS* the answer is - it's very good indeed. Four stars out of five from the Dojo. From the opening establishing shots, which rival anything you'll see on PLANET EARTH or any other high def nature docu it is clear that Ridley Scott has lost none of his flair for putting beautiful imagery on screen. The guy is a painter as much as a director and in this movie he is served by cutting edge CG FX allied with some massive and detailed sets. The film looks fantastic, with enough sleekness in the spaceship interiors and the wetsuit style spacesuits to differentiate it from his past work with ALIEN. Any fan of film should see this simply for the visuals. The characters aren't as subtle and naturalistic as in ALIEN, but not quite as broad brush stroke as ALIENS - somewhere in the middle. And while the ensemble is perhaps a little large to get to know all of them, there are some standouts. Idris Elba is good as the captain and Noomi as Shaw grows in stature and confidence as the film unfolds (her boyfriend Holloway is sadly a weak link, and seems to go from leader to surly partway through inexplicably - perhaps a scene has been cut?). Charlize in her figure hugging catsuits is memorable and you do get a tantalising glimpse of butt, just where the booty and thigh meet that will definitely be worth a freeze frame on blu! However it's Michael Fassbender's movie imho. His David is quite something and he comfortably steals every scene he is in. There is a sequence near the start of the film where only David is awake on the vessel, which recalls SILENT RUNNING and THE OMEGA MAN. It's feels the most pure sci-fi stretch of the whole film, and I think I could have happily watched a whole movie about the David character. For those worried about the rating, and about PROMETHEUS not being grown up enough - I can set your fears at rest. There are parts that will make adult audiences squirm and while the gore is never over done, it doesn't feel like anything has been compromised in this regard. Im looking forward to discussing the finer plot points in more detail - although im not going to do that here. I did find myself coming out of the film with a few question marks and asking questions to those disciples of the Dojo who saw it with me and no one really being able to answer. I don't think a film has to spell out every event and perhaps a few little things being open to interpretation is quite cool. The one major negative I would say is that PROMETHEUS isn't much of a crowd pleaser. Those hoping for a *get away from her you bitch!* moment or something to whoop or cheer at may be disappointed. It also lacks the inexorable forward momentum of both ALIEN and ALIENS, instead opting for a slightly more rambling plot. But ultimately this is a big, beautiful and smart sci-fi, which stands alone from the rest of the ALIEN franchise. I very much hope that the PROMETHEUS franchise continues, i've only just seen this one but already i'd love to see another!

  • June 1, 2012, 7:06 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    ps. ALIEN RESURRECTION is shit. Horrible green gungey shit. Like the stuff you find in a newborn's diaper.

  • June 1, 2012, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Both Whedon & Jeunet were working for $$$

    by The Goat

    This was the 4th installment of a studio franchise, so they were both hired guns. As Whedon has stated, he wrote 5 different endings, and then they hired someone else to write at least one more. As for Jeunet, he's directed 6 pictures, 5 of which are which are fantastic: Delicatessen, City of Lost Children, Amelie, A Very Long Engagement, Micmacs. He also directed this piece of crap. Guess which one is the only one he didn't write.

  • June 1, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Oh, and the only thing good about Alien 3

    by The Goat

    Tywin fucking Lannister!!

  • June 1, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    @cobra--kai...Thank you.

    by adeceasedfan

  • June 1, 2012, 8:11 p.m. CST

    You knew this film was going to suck...

    by jdb1972

    ... when they killed off Michael Wincott near the start. Has there ever been an actor more suited to the Aliens universe? But, no, Jeunet liked Perlman and Pinion better, so his original bad@$$ character was excised. Almost as bad as what Halle Berry did to the "toad" line in X-Men out of spite...

  • June 1, 2012, 9:12 p.m. CST

    This movie's got problems but it's still entertaining to watch

    by Autodidact

    I always drop into Alien threads to mention that Resurrection, while not really fitting with the other 3 movies, is very much like a Dark Horse Aliens comic come to life.

  • June 1, 2012, 9:17 p.m. CST

    I liked Alien Resurrection.

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    Not as good as the first two obviously, but interesting and cool. I don't see the big deal. Alien III doesn't exist to me-- can't get past Ripley's rape. Ya got one of the all-time great strong female leads in cinema history, and so of course Hollywood HAS to rape her.... Unforgivable.

  • And it was meh ok. Not bad, but nothing to write home about either. Maybe Jett Lucas could have turned into a masterpiece, who knows.

  • June 1, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Thank you!

    by Hail Ants

    I saw Resurrection in the theater and immediately saw it for the garbage that it was. No need to be apologetic for it, it's just terrible. If you liked it, what can I say, you're satisfied with less. The blame I think lies squarely on the director. He couldn't speak or understand English! If he could he would have cringed at the awful dialog he was hearing! And Dan Hedaya?! Why not just Tom Arnold or John Goodman?! Black comedy?! Are you nuts?! You cannot go comedy in a high-concept film like this otherwise you immediately slip into Superman III mode, i.e. it becomes a moronic set-piece about a guy in blue tights/a silly monster suit. Weaver deserves a lot of the blame too. I think she was so sick of being identified with a fanboy character that she just took the huge paycheck & then deliberately sabotaged the franchise with a terrible movie. It essentially worked, hasn't been another non-Predator Alien film until Prometheus...

  • June 1, 2012, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Alien Resurrection is a really odd bird

    by lv_426

    I remember seeing that first trailer for Alien Resurrection when I saw Men In Black. The trailer that starts with the Auriga coming into view with a sad rendition of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star playing. That trailer was pretty great. It showed Ripley again, with hair, running around Nostromo-esque corridors with what looked like soldiers. There were multiple aliens again. It really felt like it was going back to the saga's roots, Alien and Aliens. Even the poster was pretty cool and mysterious (the one Nordling has up top) with the alien hands coming through the big slit of light. I was pumped. In the end Alien Resurrection put forth some cool ideas, but the silliness of the director's style railroaded what could have been a much better film, and a proper relaunch of the Alien franchise past the initial trilogy. Alien and Aliens both had the right mixture of seriousness and fun. Alien³ was interesting and ambitious, but maybe too deadly serious for its own good. Alien Resurrection was the complete opposite. Almost nothing save for the scene where Ripley 8 finds the failed Ripley 1-7 clones was played straight. It was too comic bookish, and way too goofy to properly fit with the other three films. That scene of the failed clones, plus a couple other tidbits in Resurrection did peak my interest though, and made me think that this fourth Alien film, the abomination it was, could have sort of been redeemed if they had made another sequel or two that took things more seriously. Basically, I thought the idea of the auton androids that Call was one of was an interesting idea. In all the other Alien films, the androids were there but none of the humans were wowed by them. They were just everyday objects, part of the fabric of the Alienverse. It would have been fun to explore the autons in a sequel to Resurrection. Perhaps we could have meet more of them beyond Call? The second thing that interested me was the throwaway line when they figure out they're heading to Earth and someone (I think it was Ron Perlman) says, *Earth... what a shithole.* Come on 20th Century Fox, there's your sequel slapping you in the face and holding the smelling salt under your nose. Instead of AvP there should of been an Alien 5 with Ripley 8 and the others from Resurrection stranded on shithole Earth. Think something along the lines of a toxic post apocalyptic cyberpunk setting, not unlike that of the film Hardware. Or maybe a windswept frigid wasteland decimated from years of futuristic warfare and now under the cloud of nuclear winter. How ballsy and shocking would it have been to finally get Ripley back to Earth, and the surface is nearly as hostile as that of Acheron/LV-426? Maybe a remnant population still scrapes by on the shitty Earth, living underground, only coming to the surface every once in a while and having to wear breathing masks to do so. After the the Auriga crashes, these Earth dwellers are alerted and come up to the surface to take a peek and see what all the mayhem is. Of course, a few alien eggs survive. That would've been cool as fuck. Say Danny Boyle or Guillermo Del Toro directing, and brining Giger back in to redesign the aliens. This way we'd have our Earth War sort of setting but it could all have been done for a more reasonable budget. Then if they needed to do some of the classic Alien style corridor horror, they could move the action to the underground where the last people of Earth live. Oh, and to counterpoint this shithole Earth, Mars would be fully terraformed and a lush fertile world where the majority of the population now lives. This green Mars would also be where the USM (United Systems Military) are based. Once the Auriga crashes, they are alerted and send a ship to investigate and retrieve an alien specimen. So much potential.... But nooooo!!!!!!!!! We had to have AvP. Not only in place of the initially proposed idea of Ridley Scott and James Cameron coming back to collaborate on another Aline film or two, but even AvP got fucked up. AvP should have been either an adaptation of the first Dark Horse comic miniseries set on the ranch colony on Ryushi, or a take on the basic formula of the Aliens vs Predator games (set in the future with the Colonial Marines fighting Aliens and Predators). Now even Prometheus is sounding like it could possibly be a dud. At least based on the early word from the UK. Really bums me out. I'm gonna be pretty pissed if Prometheus drags the Alien saga further down into the shit. Two good films, Alien and Aliens. Five crappy ones, if Prometheus sucks, will kinda blow the Alien saga's future out the airlock for good. I look forward to the rest of Nordling's Perfect Organism article series. At this point, it sorta feels like therapy. We can all share in our near-collective disappointment with the latter films of the Alien saga.

  • I guess it's the only thing they can criticise about him now. It may not have been one of his best scripts, but it's clearly more of a case of bad execution than anything. For example, everything else he's written = funny. Alien Resurrection = not funny. It's obvious the director and cast had no sense of comic timing. If they misread that aspect of the script, then what else did they misread?

  • Actually, thinking of some of the bleaker ideas that Resurrection posits (shithole Earth, the Ripley mutant clones, fucking people over by stealing them whilst in hypersleep and selling their slumbering bodies to corrupt military researchers) might have been a good fit for David Fincher or Del Toro. I know he would have been insulted had they asked him to come back to do another Alien film, so it is a big fat pipe dream. Also, how awesome of an opener would it have been if the opening sequence to Resurrection had been the heist of the hypersleep capsules by the crew of the Betty? Sci-fi and crime mixing would have been a nice bridge between the prison setting of Alien³ and Resurrection, and a good fit for Fincher or Del Toro. Also would have been a cool way to introduce the mercs of the Betty to the audience and build tension cause people would be saying to themselves *where's Ripley*?

  • It seemed like Guillermo Del Toro was the guy who should have directed a fourth alien movie. He might have brought something truly interesting and uniquely horrifying to it.

  • June 2, 2012, 4:47 a.m. CST

    The good...the bad.

    by Dridstar

    Good! 1. Whiskey Cubes! 2. Alien vs Alien to escape the cell. 3. Hijacking colonists for Alien breeders and the waking up with an egg in your face scene. 4. Duriff and the "steam button". 5. Ripley discovers previous clones. 6. Shot of Pearlman leaning back on the ladder, shooting the Alien off the Wheelchair dude on the Black guy's back. 7. End of water scene where the top is crusted over with Alien slime, trapping the heroes. 8. Dreamlike quality of Ripley being carried by the Alien scene. 9. Ripley flying the ship in the end to escape. 10.Dude getting his head totally crushed by the Newborn. BAD :( 1. Merc Captain dying first. 2. Pearlman's bravado. 3. Ripley tearing the tongue out of an alien. 4. Duriff's "Butterfly" speech. 5. Newborn Design. 6. Call 7. Newborn's pitiful death. 8. Ripley alien sex. 9. Ripley's character and dialogue. 10.Forehead "chest" burster scene. 11.Overall disjointed tone.

  • Indeed. We've already got a name for the creature; we've had it since the original film came out. It's a chestburster. An adult chestburster. Nobody refers to the facehugger as "the xenomorph", do they? So why do they refer to the chestburster as "the xenomorph" just because it's grown to its adult size?

  • June 2, 2012, 5:37 a.m. CST

    ""Why the fuck did they call it a "quadrilogy"? It's a "tetralogy""

    by buggerbugger

    For the same reason people erroneously say, "alternate timeline" instead of "alternative timeline" - the spreading of illiteracy on the internet. "Alternate" is not an alternative for "alternative", they're two very different things. Alternate = by turn, back and forth, tick-tock, tick-tock Alternative = instead of Alternative histories, timelines, endings do not "take turns", they exist "in place of" the original.

  • June 2, 2012, 5:42 a.m. CST

    Enjoyed this film

    by UsultheMahdi

    right until the end sequence when the hybrid was born.

  • June 2, 2012, 6:14 a.m. CST

    SIGOURNEY+WINONA+DOURIF+WINCOTT=ENTERTAINING MOVIE IMO

    by Meadowe

    I would like to see Alien 5 like the poster who mentioned perlman talking about earth. seems like an interesting place to set a possible new movie.

  • The Alien after all is a biomechanical being. The term also pays proper homage to the creature's maker.

  • Just as calling a terminator a terminator as a general term is not a big deal when it gets the point across. If we really want to be specific, then we need to be clear whether we mean an endoskeleton, infiltrator, or HK (hunter killer). In T2 and T3 Arnold isn't a terminator anymore either, since his mission is now protection and not assassination. Still makes sense to use the term terminator though, as it is what we immediately associate that character as.

  • June 2, 2012, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Resurrection was the "thinking man's" Alien.

    by Duck of Death

    Seriously, the problem with Resurrection is that what it is is completely at odds with what it should have been in terms of the franchise and audience expectations. After Alien 3, I think the fans were ready for a return to the Alien/Aliens films that they knew and loved. A thrill ride. The problem is, what they actually GOT was a straight up French art house horror flick. If it were released today, stripped of associations with the Alien franchise, it'd be considered a sterling example of contemporary French horror. There are some freaky themes and imagery in this film, centered around men's anxieties about female sexuality and reproduction. (Seriously...all the wetness...slime...pulsating orifices...) Lots of body horror based around mutilation/corruption of the flesh. None of this makes for a good Alien film, because this stuff isn't scary so much as it is creepy and uncomfortable. That's not what people go into an Alien film -- especially after Aliens -- expecting. So your typical popcorn-dribbling simpleton, seeing something he doesn't quite comprehend, naturally rejects it as merely "bad" instead of investigating the film more deeply. The film actually challenges the viewer to question his own responses to the film, rather than just placating his desire for obvious, standardized shocks. I wouldn't say this is a particularly successful film -- for one thing, the godawful French sense of humor makes for some seriously lame attempts at jokes -- and I don't think any of the actors had any idea what to make of this material. And I agree that it's a shitty Alien film in that it does very little to extend and enhance the franchise in any meaningful way. But as a standalone horror flick I think it's one of the most interesting to have come out in the past 20 years.

  • June 2, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST

    It makes you wonder...

    by vezner2007

    If they hadn't screwed up Alien 3, where would the series have gone? Imagine an Alien series where Newt, Hicks, and Ripley didn't bite the dust. There could have been any number of excellent films that continued on with those characters. Aliens did a great job at developing the relationship between those three and then Alien 3 flushed it all down the crapper. IMO Alien 3 is the real travesty of the Alien franchise, not Resurrection or even the AVP movies (which would have never happened had Alien 3 not botched up the series to begin with). Of course it's all speculation but I can't imagine the Alien franchise would be as bad off as it is had we not had Alien 3 screw things up.

  • June 2, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST

    vezner's right

    by Jason

    ALIEN 3 is to blame for everything that came after it. Except for AvP. That whole thing started with a throwaway gag at the end of PREDATOR 2, when Danny Glover finds the trophy case with the alien skull. From that they made a video game and later, the film(s). I wonder what the joker who thought up that gag thinks of the hell he hath wrought.

  • June 2, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Alien:ReseRECTUM ...

    by DrMorbius

    Rectum ... rectum, hell ... damn near killed 'em!!!

  • June 2, 2012, 11:31 a.m. CST

    I like Nordling, but...

    by Hail

    ...that wasn't a review, so much as an opinion. Essentially, he gripes about how the studio presumably came in and screwed up Whedon's script (btw...Wehdon is an above average screenwriter. Not great), how the Aliens looked too wet, how the newborn was a letdown, and how Jean-Jeunet dropped the ball. The best point Nordling gave was how Call ultimately had no point. That's what a review is based off of. Start with the big picture which is the story and the characters then go to more specific aspects such as creature design. More importantly, back-up your reviews with WHY. Why doesn't Jean-Jeunet's direction work. I get that it feels dialed-in, but why does it make you feel that way? Why do you think Whedon's script was tampered with? Did you ever read his original draft? You want to know why Alien: Resurrection doesn't work? Because it's essentially a retread of first three movies (band of characters stuck in a single location with Aliens trying to kills them), and every knock-off in between, thanks to an unoriginal script.

  • The creature is a skeleton with a dick for a head. The crawlers are vaginas with long fingers. Chest bursters, facial rape, cocoons, alien impregnation, gooey egg birth. What movies did you watch?

  • June 2, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST

    duck. And genital

    by bah

  • .. along with dread of the death of the existential self entailed by pregnancy/parenthood. The whole series is a bunch of flapping slimey labia and distended blown out wombs.

  • They could have easily done a number of new things (Prometheus, Earth War, Alien/Space Jockey homeworld) post Alien 3, using a new cast of characters. Although they still could have done all that after Aliens, maybe using Newt, Hicks, and Ripley (if Sigourney was game). Not unlike the Aliens comics from Dark Horse. Michael Biehn would have probably done more. Newt is easy, just set any sequels later on when she would be in her twenties and could have been played by a different actress due to Carrie Henn only appearing in Aliens and deciding not to pursue acting (maybe partially why Sigourney didn't want Newt and Hicks to survive, cause Fox might have pestered Carrie Henn to come back). The only way the Ripley arc works now is to look at the Alien saga as a giant religious epiphany. Prometheus is the old gods, a pantheon of pagan bastards. Alien is us uncovering the remnants of these old gods, and birthing something bad in the alien. Ripley is selfish and brings back the concept of alien evil by surviving when she could have went down with the ship like a good captain ( via the self destruct sequence). Aliens is faith in another false god, technology ( look at how the atmosphere processor has a pyramid/temple quality). The marines are confident in their tech, but they are defeated by an unholy matriarch who shits out the seed of the beast (Cameron deliberately made the first climax of Aliens a decent into a techno-hell to face the queen and save an innocent soul in Newt). Alien 3 is purgatory, and the labyrinth. Ripley is mother to the beast, and she and the prisoners must defeat the minotaur in the dog alien Spike (who was originally supposed to be birthed from an ox, which is closer to a Minotaur). Alien 3 is Ripley's last chance for salvation, climaxing when Bishop II (Satan) tempts her with the notion of having the alien queen incubating inside her to be removed. He tells her she can have a life still. She makes the decision to sacrifice herself to kill the beast... ... and is rewarded with an Alien Resurrection in the fourth film. Of course, you can't forget who and what you are, so she retains some alien DNA, and remembers some of her past and is emotionally stirred by the flashcard of the little blonde haired girl (the sci-fi explanation is that the alien biomechanoid DNA passes down genetic memories). Of course, the beast rears it's head again, and the newborn is truly an abomination (maybe Ripley 8 is too?) that is neither all human nor all beast (too bad the physical design of it was a misfire). In the end though (at least in the theatrical cut), Ripley makes it to heaven as the Betty soars over the Earth and the film closes on a beautiful aerial shot looking down on a golden sun dappled Earth. Of course, God is a cruel dude in that by this point, Earth was a shithole (mentioned by Ron Pearlman in the film). So an Alien 5, maybe called Alien Salvation would have ideally explored this ruined Earth as Sagun, which is a false heaven. Maybe Alien 6 then could have taken us to the Alien/Jockey homeworld to once and for all destroy the old gods? Now I am rambling, and I'm not advocating the Alien saga needing to ram Judeo Christianity down the audience's throats. No, I'm just saying that the thematic glue that holds the Alien saga together is more religious and spiritual than meets the eye. Also, going from the old gods to a more modern religious sensibility is a progression at least. It gives the whole saga a rich thematic arc that makes these films more than just cool and entertaining sci-fi creature features.

  • June 2, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    hey starwarsredux. Hi there *fist pump*

    by thxMike

    I feel like I need to personally acknowledge every who likes Alien3. In my opinion, it is the best one in the series. People seem to hate it mainly because they killed off Newt and Kyle Reese. Btw I've seen Prometheus and I love it, although you can clearly see that the first guy wrote as a direct prequel to Alien and someone said: "fuck it! let's get Lindelof here so he can 'Lostify' it" Which if you watch the movie, you'll see it was actually a good call. How good of a call will depend on the studio making at least prometheus2.

  • June 2, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    I like Alien:Ressurection, except for the "Newborn" ending

    by daggor

    It's weird, quirky but has a great cast, great characters. The clone room scene is worth watching alone, but I tune out when it's time for the stupid baby hybrid. Not scary, not interesting. Alien 3 I skip altogether. More moody that creepy, and there is little tension built up to the death of Ripley - I saw it coming a mile away.

  • June 2, 2012, 6:10 p.m. CST

    One of the WORST MOVIES EVER MADE

    by tazzzer

    I MEAN FUCK ME A FUCKING ALIEN HUMAN THAT S WEAVER WANTS TO BREAST FEED??? I MEAN FUCK ME!WHEDON IS SHITE AND THIS IS SHITE HE CAN FUCK HIMSELF ALONGSIDE A FIREFLY WITH. CAN SOMEONE GIVE US A FITTING SEQUAL? FOR ME THERES PROMETHEUS, ALIEN AND ALIEN 2. THATS ALL. Everything else is a bag of shite!

  • June 2, 2012, 6:25 p.m. CST

    lv426 , Epihany works

    by krylite

    I dig what your comparison of the Alien movies in relation to a religious thematic arc. The music is great with themes of quasi-religious epiphany sounding themes of space exploration in Alien as the seals are broken and the last days and end times begin, the armageddon sounding battle music of Aliens and the crucifixion themes of the ending scene in Alien3. The music by Eidelman is just wonderous when the alien is shattered by the water after leaping out of the lava. And then when Ripley gives her sacrificial dive as Bishop Weyland screams "NOOOOOOO!!". I wished they used Eidelman in Prometheus. Alien 4 I'd agree is like some dreamy afterlife stuck in purgatory. More of a spiritual battle.

  • June 2, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST

    kingslayer

    by phifty2

    The AvP concept had been explored in comics a few years before Predator 2. And I really don't get the AvP hate. The first one isn't bad at all and a hell of a lot better than Resurrection.

  • June 2, 2012, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Ah, Alien 4... the movie that makes 3 look good

    by MurderMostFowl

    I haven't bothered to watch 4 since I saw it the theater, and had an experience of regret I didn't feel again until the The Phantom Menace. No, I take that back.... TPM was genius compared to Alien 4. The thing that sums up Alien for 4 me is how the alien dies in the end... Like a silly cartoon caricature. You might as well have renamed the company ACME. There were some interesting visuals... even the water scenes were pretty cool. ( Though that particular visual was stolen from the Alien comic books IIRC ) But When it was visually impressive, it felt disjointed from the plot... and when it was not disjointed, the plot progression was too "convenient", almost like a video game set up at times. Retrospectively, the characters very much feel like precursors of the Firefly crew. And maybe that could have worked under the right director. When you look at James Cameron's characters the attention to detail in defining who even the bit parts were were impressive.( though I admit Cameron tends to reuse character archtypes in his films just like he reuses actors, ).... Some times it works great. In Aliens every single character was spot on. Scott got this right as well,... everyone was important to the story in one way or another. it felt organic. It felt right. Froggyboy's characters were like a circus show with no point. I Actually think AVP is a superior movie to Alien 4 ( not that I think AVP is good... that's a movie that had amazing potential in the first 15 minutes or so, and then shifts into "aw fuck it, I can't write a movie... lets just turn on video game auto pilot" mode ) Anyway... If you made it to the end of this, I appreciate it. I'm rambling. Fuck Alien 4. I'm getting a drink. :)

  • June 2, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Still hoping Cameron will Make Alien vs Avatar

    by MurderMostFowl

    Too bad he's already making Avatar 2 & 3. People will be tired of it by then.

  • I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with there being eggs on the Sulaco. These things sole purpose is to multiply and survive. Why the queen couldn't have an egg or two still in her abdomen when she left the hive is really not a hard sell for me. I do have a problem with the eventual movie those eggs made possible but that is for the next talkback.

  • I want to see expendable replicants being sent on off-world missions to exterminate remaining xenomorphs that are threatening the edges of galaxies. Then! Only then, would Roy Batty's speech to Deckard transfer a much more meaningful purpose to us. Two quotes from Blade Runner come to my mind from Roy Batty: "Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave." and "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe." What if Roy Batty dedicated his entire life to saving humanity only to find out that he will expire? Then we'd feel much more from him. If only Scott would cross Alien over with Blade runner.. then we might have something all over again. In my mind, Roy Batty fought xenomorphs on his missions and I'm on his side.

  • June 2, 2012, 9:42 p.m. CST

    *Roy

    by CodeName

  • June 3, 2012, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Hollyweird can't do scripts.

    by kabong

    "But it’s unclear what belongs to Whedon and what belongs to the massive rewrites that the script underwent while under Jeunet’s direction." <p> "But Jeunet approached the material very much in a work-for-hire capacity, and it shows. There doesn’t seem to be much influence from him on the script at all." <p> <p> Not a good movie, and Jeunet was a bad choice for director. But if he was just the traffic manager and did not do much on the screenplay, then most of the blame has to go to Whedon (despite what kabookieslap argues).

  • If anyone has the Blu-Ray set (i'm assuming it's also on regular DVD). listen to the commentary track. Both Ridley Scott AND James Cameron state that Sigourney Weaver wanted the Ripley character to have sex with the Alien creature and be killed. They both said "NO" thank god too. While I like 3 & 4 and the AVP films. it's more for the 'fanboy' in me. But i've always admitted that "Alien" and "Aliens" were the best. Period! I'm sure hollywood had a say in how the scripts went, but I know Sigourney did too. She was billed as producer for both films so, yeah, she got her wish and it FUCKED up the franchise royally. I hope to god she never produces another fucking thing or at least leaves the Alien franchise altogether. I don't want to see another Ripley film i'm burned out with that character and Sigourney. I'm soooo lookin' forward to seeing Noomi Rapace replace Sigourney's ass! ~Rex

  • June 3, 2012, 2:31 a.m. CST

    codename Scott and Cameron offered Rothman too if he did not make AVP

    by kabookieslap

    It was at the 2001 Academy Awards part after Scott won an Oscar for Best Director and Gladiator best film. They both talked at the party then went to Rothman and told him they had an idea and that if he did not make AVP, as it would screw up their timeline, then they would do a movie together where Ridley would direct and James would write the script. But Fox kept pushing AVP and then when Freddie VS Jason hit big opening weekend, Fox saw dollars in crossovers and immediately greenlit AVP right after. When that happened, Cameron basically said Fuck it.

  • Was that she is against guns and did not like Aliens because of all of the guns. So her contract stipulation was no guns in Alien 3 at all of she would not act in it.

  • They get beaten by humans in every movie. They arent ever seen eating what they kill because they are scavenging live organisms to reporoduce, not eat. Watch the extra footage from Alien....they are all using people to reproduce.

  • June 3, 2012, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Good points Rex

    by vezner2007

    Sigourney Weaver certainly did have a hand in screwing up the series. I find it ironic that she became so critical of the Aliens films because of 3 and 4 and the AVP movies and yet she was half the reason they blew. She needs to just go away.

  • June 3, 2012, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Oh, and about James Cameron...

    by vezner2007

    After seeing Avatar, I hope he never makes another movie ever again. I cringe to think of what he would do if he ever returned to the Aliens franchise. He'd probably try to make us feel sympathetic for the Aliens and hate those red neck Colonial Marines for using their evil flame throwers to torch the baby Aliens that pop out of those evil human hosts. I'm sorry but the man has lost his mind.

  • June 4, 2012, 1:39 a.m. CST

    @Flyswatta...

    by veebeeyes

    Actually, in Alien 3 there IS a brief shot of the Alien eating a prisoner. It's during the sequence when they're all running down the halls. Also, the Aliens don't always take humans alive to be hosts. I'm sure you recall that probably about half of the time, they use that second mouth to punch holes in peoples' heads. Anyway, there IS a brief scene in Alien 3 where we see an Alien feeding, and I think that's the only time we ever see that happening in the entire series.

  • June 4, 2012, 7:30 a.m. CST

    I can't....

    by Grrrr....

    ...remember this movie at all but I do remember the human hybrid thing. Have I blocked it out of my mind? Was it that bad?

  • June 8, 2012, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Giger has at least some connection to the Newborn design

    by Zenslinger

    There are probably more and better examples, but check for skull/alien carapace combination images on this page for starters: http://alienseries.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/giger-prometheus-and-biomechanoids.html Some of those are Giger's for Dune. Idea still existed way back. Ultra-nerds who were setting up a prop display for the midnight showing of Prometheus last night at a movie theater in Alameda, CA were telling me the first Alien movie has a transparent carapace with skull features inside it, but I had no idea what they were talking about.

  • June 17, 2012, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Never understood why some people call this a "bad" film...

    by Leto III

    It's tonally different from the previous three Alien pictures, no question, but this doesn't make it a "bad" movie. Compared to most of the dreck that gets shitted out at the multiplex today, there's actually a great deal to chew on in this film; lots of interesting ideas and subtleties. Also, to correct something that's mentioned by Nordling in the article: Joss Whedon's script wasn't rewritten by anyone on the set once shooting started -- not by Jeunet, not by anyone else. The director shot exactly what Whedon wrote; Whedon's big beef in subsequent years was with *how* Jeunet filmed his words and ideas...as in, not in the style he had envisioned when he first wrote it. Unlike Fincher, Jeunet had a proper final shooting script onhand from the first day of production, all the way through to the last, and it never changed. Another point (already raised by several other posters here) is that Brandywine Films had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with this project -- zero, bubkes, nada. In the Alien Quadrilogy/Anthology DVD/BD documentary interviews, David Giler in fact takes a very great shit on even the notion of doing this movie...he felt that Alien³ was "a proper ending" for the Ripley character, and wasn't involved in Alien IV at all (nor were Hill or Carroll, for that matter). Which isn't to say that *I* agree with his assessment -- the film gets right far more than it gets wrong, and it's nowhere near the level of putridity some folks claim it is. While it might be considered the weakest Alien film in the series, it actually is a damn good action picture on its own terms, and in hindsight towers over much of today's level of "blockbuster" output, by a sizeable margin.

  • June 18, 2012, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Anyone have a link to the first draft(s) Whedon script?

    by henrydalton

    Would like to read it. The ones that end on Earth - ideally the first 'forest' set one but any would be interesting.

  • June 18, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST

    I often wonder what Danny Boyle would have done with it?

    by Knuckleface

    This project was passed around like Ros in Game of Thrones. Danny Boyle was attached to Alien 4 for quite a while. This was immediately after the success of Trainspotting. He caved to the pressure, sighting a difficult relationship with American studios and the over-whelming pressure of trying to follow up the earlier masterpeices. Alex Cox, of Repo Man and Sid & Nancy fame, was also attached at one point. (I think his name was tossed around for Alien 3 as well). It seems they really wanted a brit. One thing about the Alien series... the producers have never had confidence in the integrity of the material or its fan-base, and they have consistently shat on all the films. Promethius is noteworthy for being the first of the series to have the full support and faith of its studio, and the only one to be directed by an established talent.

  • June 18, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Wait.. did you say AVP is terrible and this shit pile isn't?

    by darthwaz1

    Sorry but I'd rather watch either AVP movie over this any day..

  • June 18, 2012, 7:48 p.m. CST

    @the goat

    by Andy

    So true... my favorite part about that movie. I also remember the ending being amazing to me as a kid when I first saw it in the theater. Still cool to this day.

  • July 9, 2012, 4:14 a.m. CST

    I don't hate this movie

    by clupula

    It's not the best one (that would be the first), but it's a lot better than the theatrical cut of Alien 3 and it still shits all over those AVP movies, which is not hard to do, admittedly. I think each of the Alien movies has been a completely different genre from the movies before it and this continued that trend. If it had been a straight-up military shooter, it is ripping off Aliens. If it had been straight-up horror, it is ripping off Alien. If it had been depressing drama, it is Alien3. I appreciate that they tried something different with it, even if it is not successful at all times. I do have fun with this movie.

  • July 12, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST

    I liked it quite a lot...

    by Unbreakable16

    Okay, this may be one of those situations where it's 15 years old, and if I saw it now I'd hate it, but at least on the first viewing I liked it a lot more than Alien 3 or Aliens (Aliens seemed fantastic as a kid, and it's not BAD now, but IMO it doesn't hold up the way Alien does, nor did it seem as interesting as this.) I remember disliking that...alien human thing a bit, but I found Ripley fascinating. I found the android fascinating. And I loved the scene towards the end where it's never spoken, but you realize that the most "human" characters in the film are an android and a part-alien clone science project...they're far more human and fascinating than the human characters are. Thinking about this is making me want to see it again... I've been cared to just worrying that it'll destroy my memory of it! Regarding Joss Whedon-face it, any issues with a script from him aren't from him. If I'm remembering right this may have been the final straw for him though in wanting to direct what he writes, getting tired of it being butchered. And this wasn't his second film-heck, he wrote Toy Story and had done a tone of other work before this. I'd LOVE to have whatever his original script was filmed, but even still I found this movie facinating and a heck of a lot better than the then-probably-revolutionary-but-now-kind-of-tame/generic Aliens, or the incredibly boring/pointless Alien 3. (I don't even mind Alien 3 though-part of me likes that they were able to do something different with it.)

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