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Fox News Deletes Video Demonstrating How President Obama Destroyed America!!

Published at: May 31, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST by hercules

I am – Hercules!!

This looks like an attack ad, but it was paid for and produced by the “fair and balanced” cable channel Fox News:

Fox just pulled the clip off its own websites without explanation.

I’m guessing the explanation is even Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney admits the economy has improved since President Obama took office. (Though Romney argues that the economy would have recovered faster had Obama engineered more tax cuts for the nation’s millionaires and billionaires.)

I also know the stock market has rocketed upward beacuse my 401k has MORE THAN FUCKING DOUBLED in value since Obama took office.

The wildly misleading piece, with its “then” and “now” arguments, also fails to mention that the economy actually cratered under the wild spending of the George W. Bush administration -- before it began its recovery under Obama, whom I credit with dodging a Second Great Depression thanks to his -- and the then-Democratically controlled Congress’ -- costly early-term bailouts.

“Even I am shocked by how blatantly Fox is throwing off any pretense of being a journalistic entity with videos like this,” wrote Baltimore Sun TV critic David Zurawik.

A CNN job offer to the producer behind the piece was reportedly rescinded Thursday.

Find The New York Times’ story on the matter here.

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  • May 31, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST

    This TB is going to be

    by Chairman_Kaga

    EPIC!

  • May 31, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST

    You shouldn't post your own personal political views here

    by DamianVonBarone

    Especially if your a liberal douche bag

  • May 31, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Yeah but like socialism and stuff

    by syn_flood

    Kony 2012!

  • That they are under no obligation as a news organization to report the truth. A Judge agreed with them. They were being sued by a former producer who refused to produce a "misleading" story in Florida.

  • ....l will definitely enjoy this sure to be epic talkback!

  • May 31, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Wow...

    by Daremo

    Not what I expected to see here on AICN. Pretty trollish if you ask me.

  • May 31, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST

    This "private sector" job growth chart has been debunked many times.

    by jackbauerpowerhour

    Jobs are going overseas like crazy. Wait till the Bush tax cuts expire at the end of the year. Oh wait, half you guys are fucking losers still living at home so it doesn't matter.

  • May 31, 2012, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Damian

    by Chris Weber

    You shouldn't post at all here, if you don't know the difference between "your" and "you're".

  • MSNBC goes too far often times to compete with Fox...but you will hear retractions and apologies from MSNBC when they go too far or have reported something that has been later proven untrue. Fox does no such thing. Still no excuse for MSNBC stooping to the level of Fox.

  • May 31, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Hey Herc, if you were fair and balanced...

    by xcornealiousx

    You might drop us some commentary from time to time on MSNBC.

  • May 31, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Once more into the fray...

    by schadenfreudian

    This talkback is sure to be 1) maddening, 2) full of half truths and name calling, & 3)ultimately, more entertaining than any of CBS' programming

  • May 31, 2012, 4:58 p.m. CST

    The economy has improved?! The End of The Road doc says it all -

    by MisterBlue

    I don't know where you live or what you're smoking, but here in L.A. there are so many people out of work - stores are empty and people are not spending. I know MANY people who are out of work and cannot find work, and have used up all their unemployment. Just because the stockmarket fluxuates up and down means nothing - it's all paper money that is being over printed and devalued. The Repubs spend too much too, but at least they let the middle class workers keep more of what they earn instead of forcing it to be given to those who will not work. If you REALLY want to know what's going on economically in this country - AND the world - watch this trailer for the new doc "The End of The Road" - and run like hell to get your money out of paper and into tangible goods. http://goldsilver.com/video/end-of-the-road-a-total-collapse-on-our-system-%282%29/ And wish that Ron Paul had his way with the spending addictions of career politicians.

  • May 31, 2012, 4:59 p.m. CST

    You idiot!!! It's spelled AMERCIA!

    by SenatorJeffersonSmith

  • Look if you want to continue having Obama stick you in the ass while you scream how good he is, then that is your business. Keep your politics off this website.

  • Republican Christian Conservative Rednecks

  • May 31, 2012, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Elect Mitt Romney in 2012: Eviscerate the Proletariat!

    by 3774

    I'll now give the floor to overwhelmingly-uneducated, religiously-fundamentalist, statistically-ignorant, morally-panicked, fanatically-xenophobic Republicans and intellectually-child-like 'Libertarians', so that they can continue to spread their shallow-end-of-the-gene-pool, bumper-sticker 'political philosophies' dispensed from false-rage, corporate-backed radio charactertures from yon high. Continue to fear and hate anything you don't understand, Red Staters! And remember, running mate Sarah Palin for 2012! You'll love her policies on women's rights! Raped? Tough Shit!

  • May 31, 2012, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Demanding "balance" on AICN.

    by Chairman_Kaga

    Why do people demand that AICN keep "politics off this website", aside from the obvious sour grapes of people disagreeing with Herc's position?

  • May 31, 2012, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Ugh! Why?

    by sloppythirds

    Man, I hate seeing this kind of stuff on here. Let me know what show is getting renewed/cancelled, not this. A&E removed the second promo clip of episode four of Steven Seagal: Lawman from there website last night. You going to write an article on that?

  • May 31, 2012, 5:05 p.m. CST

    AMEN FOX NEWS

    by TopHat

    Obama has RUINED this country. Sooner or later the FOOD STAMP will replace the American flag. Enthic people taking my hard earned tax dollars and making cornbread! I'm an obese per-diabetic, I need my red meat and bacon ...I can barely afford it now under "Obamatoomuchforredmeatandbaconcare". What am I supposed to do about GAS PRICES, Hussein?! Buy a Hybrid? I'm not a faggot. I need my SUV for my eleven mile daily commute. Lower the fucking taxes, Hitler! I would totally bang the living shit out of that blonde on Fox & Friends AND that chick from the SNL clip. At the same time. Really hard. Because I'm a MAN. I'd make those bitches BLEED. Women are superior to men. I don't have kids, but if I did have kids I wouldn't want them to have to pay off this huge debt. Because that's how it works. My kids will be eating Cheerios and then go to work to pay off the debt. CHILDREN ARE PRECIOUS. Leave them alone Hussien!! I want to buy whatever I want. Its my Pledge of Allegance God right. I wanna fuck that blonde.

  • But on this site, like most, the talk backs become an insane place for people (like you just did) to start assuming things, name calling, and not furthering the discussion. So it isn't as cool to hit the site up for movie/tv/nerd news, and we get hit with political chaos. Fox News is slanted, MSNBC is slanted...they all are. This isn't new news, nor is it cool news.

  • May 31, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST

    tophat's post

    by schadenfreudian

    fucking hilarious

  • ...the only 'uncivil media discourse' and 'controversy' that exists in manufactured entirely by them.

  • May 31, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Jobs are being added but....

    by Craig2574

    Politicians have been lying about the unemployment number as far back to Ronald R. First off you need to create a min. of 150,000-200,000 a month right not to keep up with population growth. The unemployment number does not include people who left the workforce. The video that ran on FOX was uncalled for but MSNBC has done this in the past http://www.mrctv.org/videos/chris-matthews-makes-mock-movie-trailer-attacking-romney-mitt-better-mute Just do what I do not watch FNC or MSNBC. Read and make up your own mind on issues but Herc has to put up troll posts.

  • by doubling my 401k?? VOTE ROMNEY!! DON'T LET OBAMA DOUBLE YOUR MONEY AGAIN OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS!!

  • I've always loved the classic Liberal mantra: you must be tolerant of others and accept their views, unless it disagrees with how we view things, in which case we won't be tolerant of you, and are thus hypocrites. Herc, this is a movies-TV-comics site, not a political news site. Get it straight.

  • May 31, 2012, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Pink apoc..okay that was pretty funny haha

    by xcornealiousx

  • Weed out news on websites and make up your own mind. And if you agree with me, cool, and of you don't, cool as well. No need to spew venom. It is what it is.

  • May 31, 2012, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Funny....how is FNC reporting fact's a bad thing?

    by slick

    The video they produced gave fact's about the Obama administration! Have you ever watched MSNBC? They are nothing but Democrat news network! Problem is, is that liberals such as Herc can't see past the end of their own noses!

  • May 31, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST

    spaderific

    by Hercules

    You're 100% right about Fox News not being a comic book or a movie. We've been covering politics on this site since it began nearly 20 years ago. If you've not noticed you've not paid close attention. Also, I don't know how you define "professional," but I've been making a living as a journalist for decades.

  • May 31, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Herc you idiot

    by Craig2574

    The president doesn't double your 401K investors do. The market was oversold a few years back and always rebounds after it is oversold. This happened after 9/11 but really has never recovered after the tech bubble burst. We are doomed no matter who wins this year because we have a college lecturer in the white house now or next year we will have Romney! Keep on posting troll posts they are always entertaining!

  • May 31, 2012, 5:25 p.m. CST

    *gets popcorn*

    by Dreamfasting

    It's like they just pitched the Daily Show writers a slow hanging curveball in the hopes they can create a left-right shouting match that drowns out all actual news coverage.

  • May 31, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Paper pushers

    by Craig2574

    The real danger in DC is temporary politicians putting in paper pushers who will disrupt our lives and make it harder to make a living. I hate insurance companies WO a doubt but the paper pushing the feds do is far worse than anything they do. Also the unemployment number does not separate PT jobs, burger flipping jobs. Its just a way for politicans to pull the wool over our eyes. If the bitter old man won the election your dam well know everyone would be saying the opposite what is going on today. We will never have president like Lincoln again because he was rumored to like men, looked funny as sounded funny. We will never have a Roosevelt again because both of them were fat and one was stuck in a wheel chair. Now we want people who look good and read off talking points.

  • May 31, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Voted for Obama, will again...but...

    by Michael

    I loathe the political position that all other viewpoints are to be denigrated, and opponents are to be demonized. Look, Obama's a smart guy and I agree with a lot of what he says, but he's not perfect and he sure as Hell ain't the God that Hercules assumes him to be. This will be the last time I open up one of Hercules' posts...be it political or otherwise. I just don't trust him to look at all sides of things.

  • May 31, 2012, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Liberals believe YOUR money is THEIR money!

    by MisterBlue

    and they want to take it accordingly. "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." - Margaret Thatcher "The answer to our problems is not larger government - larger government IS the problem. The federal government is too big and it spends too much money." Ronald Reagan (who introduced a balanced budget amendment to congress all eight years of his presidency, and it was voted down every time.) GET GOVERNMENT OUT OF OUR LIVES! Their programs requires taking OUR hard earned money out of the mouths of our children to piss it away.

  • May 31, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST

    ghost82

    by Hercules

    Godspeed fair prince. We will miss your rants about how talentless Kristen Wiig is.

  • May 31, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Herc, I've read AICN daily for as far back as I can remember...

    by Spaderific

    And yes, while politics will come through here and there, let's do an analysis of what's currently on the front page. There are 9 "Top Stories," mostly film related. 5 "Contests", related to TV, film, and anime. 5 "DVDs", which relate to, well, DVDs. 5 "Comics" posts, about comics. 5 "Animation" posts, all anime related. 5 "Harry's Reviews" which are about films, 20 "Latest News" posts about films, comics, TV, toys, etc., and 10 "Coaxial" posts, 9 of which are about TV shows. That's 64 total articles. 1 of those is clearly politics related. By my calculations, that's about 1.6 % of ALL the stories on the front page. I may be wrong, however, and might not have seen every single article on this site ever produced, but for you to claim "we've been covering politics on this site since it began..." is like my Ten O'Clock local news trying to claim it's news about films because they do the every-other-week film review. AICN is "The best in movie, TV, DVD, and comic book news", not a political news site. I appreciate your passion for your position, but the manner in which you do it will turn off a great many readers and posters to this site. By advice: yank this whole article and posts and keep AICN focused on what's its really supposed to be about.

  • May 31, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Hurts when the facts have a liberal bias, huh?

    by thecinemasnob

    People are entitled to their own opinions, not their own facts. Herc stated facts, not opinion. That's what a journalist does. Just because it favors the side you don't like doesn't make it not true, or bias.

  • May 31, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Truly interesting/sad cable news news of the day

    by Thurston_one

    CNN is starting to feverishly alter their lineup from straight news reporting--yes, some say it has a liberal bias but by and large that's crap, historically they have reported the news--because their ratings have dropped a whopping 51% since a decent peak when Osama Bin Laden was killed. They are falling behind Fox News, MSNBC and even their own kid brother Headline News Network. In other words, people like their news to look more like this talkback thread--partisan shrieking--than a sober thorough coverage of the day's events. Good job, America. They will sell you what you want to buy, and apparently that is just big steaming piles of loud, sensationalist confirmation bias.

  • May 31, 2012, 5:44 p.m. CST

    misterblue is a coward.

    by Chairman_Kaga

    Stop calling for smaller government and get on board the anarchist band wagon. No Government is where it's at!

  • ...just look at Britain. It installed a right-wing prime minister who's done the things that US Republicans would have done. Now Britian is back in FULL RECESSION!

  • I think so.

  • May 31, 2012, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Herc did Obummer invest that money into your 401K?

    by shane peterson

    .

  • Margaret Thatcher: 'I think they've made the biggest financial mess that any government's ever made in this country for a very long time, and *Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money.* It's quite a characteristic of them.' Compare that to what your typical ranting, mouth-breather Republican-Libertarian is 'quoting', and you'll see the deliberate attempt to distort and inflame other, equally-ignorant people with fear. You can spot them quite easily. They babble incoherently about 'socialism', and misapply the word without having a clue what it actually means.

  • May 31, 2012, 5:48 p.m. CST

    One hour in and this TB is already exceeding my expectations!

    by baronweazle

    Was gonna continue my reread of Clash of Kings this night. But this is so much better!

  • May 31, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST

    spaderific

    by Hercules

    "9 of which are about TV shows" 10, if you look carefully. Whatever its sins, "Fox and Friends" is by most definitions a TV show.

  • May 31, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST

    misterblue I agree!

    by shane peterson

    Get government out of our lives and pocketbook! Remind me of that the next time one of you Bush-bots wants to drop a bomb on some Middle East nation.

  • Seriously. Republicans and Democrats are both the same. There is absolutely no difference between the two. It's just the Zionist media that distorts the public perception that you the individual can make a difference through voting. You can't! It's all fixed. Even liberal George Carlin agreed with that assesment. Here is the bitter truth my friends. America is done for. Stick a fork in it. It's over. We're mired in a severe depression that was caused by BOTH political parties. It's just that you're not counted once unemployment dries out. They actually have the audacity to have you listed as giving up and no longer looking for work. They're also hiding the growing unemployment camps sprouting up all over the country. But don't take my word for it. Travel to good ole California and try and find work if you don't believe me. Just don't believe the false statistics the media and government feed you. Here's another example. The artificial growth of the stock market since 2009. Sounds real good right? Things are looking up right? Wrong. The Federal Reserve has set interest rates so low, people are withdrawing their cash from savings and pumping it into the market. They have no choice. So don't believe a word they say. Talk to your neighbor. Talk to your local homeless shelter. Get out in the real world and see how things really are by asking real people.

  • May 31, 2012, 5:53 p.m. CST

    I thought...

    by 5minutes

    ...I was at a site that talked about "The Best in Movie, TV, DVD, and Comic Book News". I had no idea that it had become yet another mouthpiece for the Democrat Party and the Fox-News-haters (who seem woefully ignorant of the unbelievable amount of bias done at MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc.).

  • May 31, 2012, 5:55 p.m. CST

    The chart is fact but

    by Craig2574

    I will say it again Reagan,Bush,Clinton, Bush, Obama do not tell you that you must create a certain amount of jobs per month to make up for the population growth. Politicians will not tell you about the labor participation rate as well. People are also not retiring as much as they did in the past so all of these kids coming out of college can not find a job for the most part. This situation is not going to get better no matter who wins. If the bitter old man won everyone would be saying the opposite what they are saying right now or shall I go back to 2004 and start posting what the libs were saying about Bush and the unemployment rate back than.

  • May 31, 2012, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Can you lot explain something..

    by tsnatch

    To me as I am from the uk and I was wondering why does being liberal seem like an insult in America? Does it have a different meaning then in the uk?

  • May 31, 2012, 5:57 p.m. CST

    danielnocharismacraig

    by Craig2574

    While I do not agree with the Zionist media part you hit the nail on the head. I will planning my exit from this country one day.

  • May 31, 2012, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Never mind...

    by Sandy

    ...the fact that the insane spending was instigated by the Democrats who controlled Congress at the time. Yes, Bush signed every piece of legislation put on his desk, that was a mistake, but it's the Dems who wanted the increased spending and then once they controlled the White House started spending ungodly amounts to the point now where it'll be extremely difficult to get back out of the hole they've dug us in. Selectively posting only those facts that seem to support your argument is not "fair and balanced" either. And of course you conveniently ignore the fact that spending under Obama increased over $1 trillion a year...ONE TRILLION per YEAR....MORE than Bush. And a little factual info that may also be an "inconvenient" truth for you....guess what...those 'rich' people you mention? Pssst....they're the ones who create the jobs everyone needs right now....tax them way more as your buddy wants to do and watch how many jobs end up being lost. Why is it there are still so many people who cannot comprehend that you cannot spend your way into prosperity? Why do they also not understand you cannot tax people into prosperity? It's been tried and proven to fail OVER AND OVER. Incidentally, the Democratic party you indicate you sympathize with? It's not the same one I grew up with...it's been taken over by socialist leaning progressives. The original Democratic Party wasn't made up of those people. And if we let those people try and control everything including the party, we'll end up eventually a mirror version of the former Soviet Union. Sound ridiculous? I'm sure the people of Russia might have thought so at one time as well.

  • May 31, 2012, 6 p.m. CST

    Herc

    by Craig2574

    Fox and Friends is garbage as is most programs on FOC (Fox Opinion Channel) but MSNBC is garbage as well. Just look at the bottom banner on both of those channels the way they knock the other side instead of giving a simple explanation of what is being talked about on that show. This is what happens though on Al Sharpton, Sean Hannity, Ed Schultz, BillyO the clown shows!

  • May 31, 2012, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Fox News needs more Tatum!

    by mdk

  • May 31, 2012, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Improving this site

    by Craig2574

    Also I thought that after harry saw the social network he was going to improve this site. I know it is important to have the look it always did but come on already!

  • Most of the nightly news shows at 6:30pm Eastern on the major networks is still pretty good; they usually don't descend into the talking heads looking for a clever remark kind of op-eds.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST

    re "Herc did Obummer invest that money into your 401K?"

    by Hercules

    He did not! Obummer's role in creating my new wealth was engineering bailouts that keep us out of (10-year? 20-year?) Second Great Depression. Working with a Democratic Congress, he allowed my investments (and the investments of the overwhelming majority of investors who kept their funds in the market) to regain their value.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:04 p.m. CST

    This talkback doesn't disappoint.

    by schadenfreudian

    It's going pretty much exactly how I thought it would. Great job, talkbackers!

  • May 31, 2012, 6:04 p.m. CST

    I love how people go crazy over a post like this...

    by DadeOrAlive

    ...but have they ever given the same effort to pen a note to the morons at the Westboro Baptist Church?

  • Note to inevitable winter trolls, exemption for lightweight interviews on entertainment shows like Leno, Conan, etc.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Doubled 401K

    by TheDudeballAbides

    Herc, if your 401K has honestly doubled in the last 3 1/2 years, you have either the most amazing time of any investor I know, or the best fund manager of anyone I know. Either that, or you started off with $100 and have worked yourself all the way to $200. Way to go! Most people I know, that actually had money invested before the economic collapse that was overseen by BOTH political parties, are about back to breaking even with their investments, or have a slight gain.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Hey herc!

    by Craig2574

    Did you know the bailouts started with Bush! Shhhhhhhhhh

  • May 31, 2012, 6:07 p.m. CST

    And to the people leaving the country....

    by DadeOrAlive

    ... godspeed. Now get out. You wont be missed.

  • I did look carefully, and I read your post carefully. And that seems to be the only point you attempted to refute. You see, what's happening here is simple: Fox News is perceived and considered a "conservative Republican" news network (yes, I'm using broad definitions, for all you nitpickers), while a site like MSNBC is a "liberal Democrat" news network. By you posting this specific type of article, it will be perceived by the grand majority of readers (and already quite a few posters) as inciting and injecting politics into AICN. If you insist on attacking Fox News, you also MUST, in the interests of being neutral, post all the follies and foibles that MSNBC does (and MSNBC is just as subject to errors and bad calls as well). I don't come to this site to find out what's being posted in mainstream news-I usually go to CNN.com for that. I come here to see what's going on with the Avengers, Batman, Justified, Mad Men, etc. Keeping this article up and talkback open will only continue to create controversy and drama, unless that was your original intent.

  • Look Herc (and fellow libs), gas went from $1.87 to over $4.00, which has now settled to around $3.50 a gallon, even though oil is hovering at or below $90 a barrel (I don't remember gas being over $3 when oil hit $100 for the first time). THAT is a pretty big fucking indicator as to how the economy is doing, being that (fossil fuels or not) this country persists and succeeds on energy costs. Hell, when that single oil rig blew up (out of thousands) a year or so ago, Mr. O was about to expand oil drilling and such. Fortunately for him, a single oil rig blew up and Mr. O just didn't put the plans on hold, he put a moratorium on oil drilling and refining in the southeastern areas of the US, in turn putting who knows how many 10s of 1,000s of americans out of 5 to 6 figure oil jobs... while playing golf more in 2 months than Bush did in 8 years. Now I can't say I'm a Romney guy... when he did that speech in Florida saying he would fire someone who SUGGESTED spending 100s of billions of dollars on a lunar project.. I know we have priorities now and all, but... who knew all it would have taken for republicans to vote for Walter Mondale (who wanted to tank the space shuttle in 1984) was 30 years? For those who don't get the joke, Romney is essentially a republican version of Walter Mondale. So there are your choices: Obama, who has forced untested, irradiating, civil right violating body scanners in airports, thrown away 100s of billions of dollars on green companies they pretty much KNEW were going out of business (even though there are solar shingle companies that are profitable that AREN'T getting "Obama's money") and helping multi-billionaire scum bags like Soros and Buffet rape the system at our expense... or Romney, who will say whatever it takes to get elected.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Hercules

    by Michael

    Never said that Wiig wasn't talented. This proves my point. You don't really observe things objectively, you just proceed from your own pre conceived prejudices. If it conforms to your already formed opinion, you 'hear' it. If it doesn't, you somehow miss the facts.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Do you still pretend to be a Republican, Herc?

    by Chris Moody

    Or have you given up that silly claim? This is a very sad (yet effective) attempt to get people to click on a "story" -- but a terrible precedent as you continue to turn the Coaxial section into your own private political blog (whether by words or selective choice of "news"). I didn't vote for Obama in 2008. I will not vote for Obama in 2012. The man has been a failure and has not earned a second term.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:08 p.m. CST

    @ dadeoralive :

    by Chris Moody

    Westboro Baptist Church is certainly a group of radical, weird morons.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:09 p.m. CST

    I can respect being opposed to over-taxation, but ...

    by Toe Jam

    Do you fuckwads understand that without taxes you'd have no public roads or any of the other dozens, and even hundreds, of other government services that you enjoy, quite literally, on a daily basis? Taxes are what keep this country from being second- or even third-world. And I am sure that the moment your quality of life diminished because some essential government service was withdrawn, you would be the first to flip the fuck out. Please ... the 90-some-odd percent of you who make less than $100,000 a year ... take a look at your paycheck and compare it to four years ago and then tell me Obama has somehow made life harder for you. And before you complain about welfare programs and such, consider the amount of money we spend on our military, which truly is the most out-of-control, bloated welfare program in U.S. history.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:10 p.m. CST

    dadeoralive

    by Craig2574

    Yes I will be planning my exit from this country one day when i retire in 30 or so years but I will never give up my citizenship. Lots of people retire to other countries where health care is cheaper and they can stretch their money further.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:10 p.m. CST

    What are Rachel Maddow's ratings, Herc?

    by Chris Moody

    Since you never include them...but include shows from Fox News. Are they seriously that low?

  • And then we'll have two correspondents pointing out the obvious.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Oh you guys, can't you all just get along?

    by baronweazle

    No wait you can't! That way I would be out of some great reading material.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Ireland is the only country to have a vote on the fiscal treaty

    by emeraldboy

    It will pass but only just. our leader wouldnt debate the treaty with anyone, anywhere.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:13 p.m. CST

    toe jam

    by Craig2574

    Yes everything should be on the table for cutting. I am tired of out boys being stationed in Germany (around 80,000 troops). Most of our troops from around the world should be brought home. The problem with the welfare programs is people who are scamming it. The people who are helpless should be helped but the amount of people who scam the system is getting bigger every year! The people who scam are really hurting the people who need the most help.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:14 p.m. CST

    And as far as the "blaming Bush" stuff?

    by Monroville

    You all DO know how the government works, right? As in, the congress of the United States of America passes the budget? All the president can do is pass or veto the budget bill. They can work with congress on getting their stuff passed, but in the end it is CONGRESS who spends the money. So sure you can blame Bush for devaluing the dollar to try and balance the trade deficit with us and China... and continuing that policy for @ 6 years. You can blame the democrats for tanking the housing market (which they did. Sorry Herc). In the end, it was the bail outs and stimulus plans that wrecked the country. Blame republicans for going along with it, but it was the democrats plan that put us here, just like it put the US into the same exact position in the late 1920's (again, tax increases and stimulus plans). What is so sad about all of this is that we've been through this before a bit less than a century ago. Even so, Mr. O is in his FOURTH YEAR now. If he can't be held responsible NOW, then he never will be. No one is saying to vote for Romney, but do any of us really believe that out of all the black male american democrats out there, you can't find one OTHER THAN Mr. O that could do a competent job? Really?

  • May 31, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST

    re "Do you still pretend to be a Republican, Herc?"

    by Hercules

    You know who recognizes me as Republican? The RNC. So go bitch at them.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Herc, seriously, just close the talkback and de-post this article.

    by Spaderific

    It's just way too much drama for this site. All I really want to read about right now is whether Ben Kingsley is confirmed as The Mandarin.

  • How does that jive with this chart on CBS Moneywatch that suggests far greater increases were created under the Bushes?: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-57400362/is-obama-really-spending-and-regulating-more/

  • May 31, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Herc

    by Craig2574

    Do you know my dad is a registered democrat but is a hard core right winger. Do you want to know why he is a democrat because the democrats have all the power in the town they live on and that is the only way he can vote in the primaries!

  • May 31, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST

    If you are a Republican...

    by Chris Moody

    ....then why do you attack Conservatives so often? And why do you never attack Liberals? Hmmm. Maybe I should join the DNC and constantly whine about EVERYTHING that they believe and do...and every Liberal candidate that I don't like? I could write posts that regurgitate the propaganda and mockery that is grossly inaccurate of their minds, beliefs and attitudes? That would make me quite a "Democrat," right?

  • May 31, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    craig2574

    by DadeOrAlive

    Why is healthcare cheaper in your far-away-land? Because it is socialized; and you don't have 50 States, different laws, markets, insurance and risk pools. Think its efficient to have a Blue Cross Blue Shield of Florida, Empire BCBS (NY), BCBS of Georgia, etc.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:21 p.m. CST

    spaderific

    by Chairman_Kaga

    "All I really want to read about right now is whether Ben Kingsley is confirmed as The Mandarin." Then don't go into a post about something other than IM3.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Herc

    by Craig2574

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-facts-about-the-growth-of-spending-under-obama/2012/05/24/gJQAIJh6nU_blog.html This is the Washington post giving carney Three Pinocchio's for that BS report. Stop it with the talking points!

  • May 31, 2012, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Actually the job market will have a much improved look

    by Thurston_one

    In 5-10 years, which is cold comfort to graduates today but the demographics don't lie, huge numbers of experienced workers will be retiring in the coming years as the baby boomers wrap up their careers. Most people in the staffing industry will tell you that a dearth of qualified workers will soon be the problem, not the lack of jobs. "Soon" is relative in the scenario of wanting things to be great immediately, but they will improve over time. The question at that point becomes how many skilled/educated workers will be available for those positions, and how much of a burden will the healthcare costs for all those retirees be? Look up the dependency curve, you see different countries around the world on varying ends of it.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:24 p.m. CST

    tsnatch

    by Thurston_one

    Yes, liberal has become a key demonizing insult for the right wing to hurl at the left wing, been that way for a while but I distinctly remember George HW Bush using it against Michael Dukkakis in '88 and that seeming like a watershed moment for the insulting aspect of the label. Nowadays it's code for 'socialist' and 'communist' amongst the harder right, as they believe that of course is what our President is.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:24 p.m. CST

    thurston_one

    by Craig2574

    We can only hope the baby boomers retire. It is all going to come down to will their savings recover from all the crashes that have occurred since the tech bubble crashed

  • May 31, 2012, 6:25 p.m. CST

    That CBS article is quite a stretch, "Republican" Herc...

    by Chris Moody

    ...and a very poor defense of the OBVIOUS spending spree from Obama over the last four years. So many members of the media are defending Obama...that they are beginning to sound like Saddam Hussein's propaganda minister, Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf. "There are no Americans in the Baghdad Airport!" "Our forces are crushing the Americans!" "It only looks like Obama outspent Bush 3-to-1." "The numbers need to be interpreted by 'experts.'" Seriously, the Liberal media is grasping at straws. They can't defend Obama's performance, so they are trying to repaint all of the negatives and turn them into artificial positives.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST

    by Craig2574

    Bush did spend like a drunken sailor but congress has baselined TARP into the budget with the stimulus BOTH sides call a spending cut a smaller rate of growth than the year before. Lower the tax rates get rid of all deductions. You really have to have the bob's come into DC and see what is needed and what is not needed. As I said before people who scam the system end up really hurting the ones who really need help.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Why Herc and others don't take shots at MSNBC

    by Toe Jam

    Because nobody -- liberal or conservative or other -- gives a shit about MSNBC. Even as a self-described liberal, I don't know a single person who watches that fucking channel. It doesn't get more than a few thousand viewers even at its peak, does it? Probably the same people who still buy stuff at RadioShack. Weirdos.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Cue Jack Nicholson in football helmet:

    by bass

    "You know...this used to be a hell of a good country..."

  • May 31, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST

    I remember when the Coaxial section of AICN...

    by Chris Moody

    ...talked about REAL television shows, movies, miniseries and specials... ...and NOT political commercials, political jokes and political skits on SNL. Is television this bad that we have to meander into politics EVERY week? Damn you, reality TV!

  • I'm a liberal, and I'm neither jobless nor lazy. I actually do quite well for myself. I'm certainly not looking to redistribute anyone else's "wealth" as Romney likes to suggest. Fuck, I'd even be OK with paying more in taxes if it meant we could clean up our fucking tax code and get rid of all the loopholes and inconsistent rates in there.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Spaderific, I confess I remain one confused Repulican

    by Hercules

    you wrote: "10 'Coaxial' posts, 9 of which are about TV shows" which of the 10 Coaxial posts is not about a TV show?

  • May 31, 2012, 6:30 p.m. CST

    In other news...

    by Chris Moody

    HATFIELDS AND MCCOYS was pretty damn good. I didn't think that I would like it as much as I did. It was almost DOWNTON ABBEY good.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Well said toe jam!

    by Craig2574

    As a libertarian social/conservative economics I could care less what FOX says! Glad to see you calling out the sewer that is MSNBC. I find their sister station CNBC more trustworthy! One great news show on the radio if you have XM radio is the morning briefing with tim farley. Just the facts no spin but the guests off spew out talking points.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST

    ...or the tired Liberal talking point that...

    by Chris Moody

    ...of the uneducated, southern, white Conservatives. As an educated, black Conservative living in Northern California, I smirk at the stereotype. However, I also frown when those leftists try to paint me out to be an Uncle Tom.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Herc, you said your 401K doubled since Obama

    by Teddy Artery

    took office. When did you start your 401K, and how much was in it? If you've been contributing to your 401K every year Obama's been in office, I'd like to know in what your 401K is invested.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST

    The only thing worse than Fox deleting whatever...

    by tootle

    Is that Harry still hasn't made Herc delete a non-story that couldn't be more out of place. I know Harry, Herc, and probably most AICN so-called "journalists" pray to Karl Marx, but it's starting to get so bad I'm about to switch to Hit Fix or something else for my movie news.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Or the tired Liberal talking point that...

    by Chris Moody

    ...that says Conservatives are comprised of uneducated, southern white people. As an educated, black Conservative living in Northern California, I smirk at the stereotype. However, I also frown when those leftists try to paint me out to be an Uncle Tom.

  • Really? Fox news photo-shopped faces of liberals to make them look uglier. It removes party affiliations after names of pedophiles when they're republican (after first claiming them to be democrats). Here, I'll let buzz feed for it for me. And these are just from 2011. Show me comparable MSNBC moments. Seriously. http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/the-worst-fox-news-moments-of-2011

  • May 31, 2012, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Thurston_one

    by tsnatch

    Cheers for clearing that up, odd that liberalism is equated in the US with Comunism when one of the core principals of liberalism is the ownership of property, liberty and freedom, all qualitys which America its self is built on.

  • To which you will wittily reply, "But Fox news is a FICTIONAL/SCRIPTED show!" To which I'll 1) just reiterate all my earlier arguments re: closing the TB and deleting this article, and 2) point out that MSNBC, CNN, and all the other news outlets have also made bad judgment calls and errors, but I don't recall seeing any AICN posts about them. Which will further reinforce my argument that your article is not a per se neutral article, but one rather intended as an attack piece. So if you want to find some news and post about a hack job or screwup that MSNBC did, I will gladly retract all my criticism of you. But if you repeatedly post "attack" articles favoring one side, then my criticism will remain.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Facts are political views now?

    by gotilk

    Some of you really ... I just don't get it. I'm not a fan of this Obama fellow, but facts are facts. And Fox is full of shit, consistently.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Being black and Republican is like being gay and republican.

    by Novaman5000

    Seems a bit masochistic to me, but whatever floats your boat.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Really? We can't keep politics of a movie/television site?

    by Nautilus_nrm1

    That job creation graph is a total falsehood. Seriously, the labor participation is at its lowest in this country in 30 years. Don't believe that dropping unemployment percentile, because once people run out of benefits, they are no longer counted in the statistic, which they are still counted in the labor participation rate. That's why no one who is a Democrat is showing you those graphs, because that is the real reality.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    When people don't like the facts...

    by Red_Right_Return

    They try to steer away from them by countering with other things. The facts are - the economy has improved. The facts are - Romney will give tax breaks to rich people and the rest of us will take it up the ass. I'm voting Obama, as the lesser of two evils. Do I think he's perfect? Hell no. He's as corrupt as the next guy, but really, what other choice do I have? When all the Republicans can do is field candidates like the ones they did this year that really doesn't leave us much. When they can yap about the Birther controversy instead of the fucking jobs being outsourced, yeah I'm not voting for them. When they continually vote against things that would benefit the average person because their lobbyist interests aren't served - I'm voting against them. Either way, if we don't have "real change" in this country soon it will be fucking history. Our government is corrupt as hell.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    novaman5000

    by Aragorn II

    If you'll look at my previous post, you'll see that I compared Fox News and MSNBC. If I understand words correctly, this means they can be compared.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Why should we care about your 401k

    by tootle

    Why should we give a shit about how good your 401k is doing when our kids and grandkids will be paying for the trillions of debt and bailouts that made it possible? Really. The only thing that makes any logical sense is that this was Hercs application for employment at a place like Media Matters.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST

    HERC, YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN?

    by J-Dizzle

    Are you also straight?

  • May 31, 2012, 6:40 p.m. CST

    @Chairman_kaga

    by Spaderific

    Sir, you are absolutely correct. The only reason I am posting is because I choose to, and thus am here voluntarily. I thus choose to exit this article, and wish all here viewing glad tidings and a good night.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:40 p.m. CST

    @tsnatch Liberal Question

    by Red_Right_Return

    Same as why being a conservation is an insult to some. The two parties have us fighting over mostly bullshit moral dilemmas while they take our money and laugh all the way to the bank. We are governed by fear by the wealthy and the lemmings here in our country line up for their jump.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:40 p.m. CST

    this site..............................

    by JamesT

    This site is like the movies, I come here to be entertained and not to get any political ideology forced down my throat. I get it Herc you're a republican as you've said for years but your constant scathing articles aimed and that particular party and your down right obsession with all things NBC lend me to think otherwise.. All that being said that's cool. You're entitled to your opinion and God love you for it. I just don't want to fucking read it on a site dedicated to movies and cool shit which this neither. Have a nice day. :)

  • May 31, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST

    @ novaman5000 :

    by Chris Moody

    Do you have a link to a BuzzFeed article that does the same in regard to MSNBC? No? I didn't think so. Of course, MSNBC is guilty of trashing Republicans or humping the legs of Democrats all the time. From Chris Matthews "tingling" leg to Keith Olbermann's fanatical rants to Ed Shultz calling Conservative women "dumb cunts" -- that channel is filled with slurs. And, of course, their worst violation of integrity is in the "little things." You know, when they subtly portray Tea Party people as "racists" or imply that anyone who doesn't want marriage to be redefined to include homosexual couples are "bigots." Yeah, MSNBC is a steaming pile of shit...and the ratings reflect it. The only people who watch that shitfest are the ones who smile when a Conservative is insulted by one of their "experts."

  • May 31, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Also, you must take into consideration

    by Teddy Artery

    that first of all, Bush crumbled to fell to the demands of the financial industry to bail those bastards out on the taxpayer's dime, then Obama did more of the same. So, you cannot credit Obama and blame Bush (which seems to be the suggestion), but the reality is this... There hasn't been a recovery yet because the market hasn't been allowed to collapse! Everything is propped up under a "quick, print more money" philosophy that has increased the AMOUNT of money in circulation, but the VALUE of that money has been greatly harmed because of this reckless policy. Did you know that the US has a depression in 1920, but no one remembers it because the market sorted everything out and the depression ended very quickly. http://mises.org/daily/3788 This recession/depression has been going on for over 4 years, with no real end in sight because the only "people" served have been bankers!

  • May 31, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST

    *Conservative

    by Red_Right_Return

    Corrected for typing too fast :P

  • Kindly explain how it's a poor defense. Maybe I can learn something. I've been reading Moneywatch for years as I monitor my investments. I've found it well-researched and never known it to traffic in inaccuracies. Have the Obama increases actually been larger than Bush's -- but Moneywatch somehow cooked the books to defraud its investor-class readers? And if so, why isn't the Wall Street Journal or Forbes calling bullshit on Moneywatch? Can you link to a similar graph that shows Obama with a taller spending-increase bar than the Bushes'?

  • May 31, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Gee novaman5000

    by Craig2574

    What about editing the trayvon martin 911 tape. BOTH channels ignore stories that make the party they favor look bad!

  • May 31, 2012, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Herc

    by Craig2574

    I posted it already it was from the washing post but I doubt you will look at it. TARP was BUSH that was rolled onto the budget and was suppose to be a one time event. Obama than passed the stimulus which counted towards the deficit and now that amount has been baselined in to the budget! STOP IT WITH THE TALKING POINTS ADMIT OBAMA IS JUST AS BAD AS BUSH!

  • May 31, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Fox is included in basic cable packages.

    by Novaman5000

    MSNBC is not. Fox's core demographic is an age group that still gets their news from television. MSNBC's are not. I'm 27 years old. I get my news from the internet, not television. That's not unusual for my generation. My point is that, yes MSNBC has a liberal bias. The hosts have a liberal bias. But they don't flat out lie and manipulate the truth like Fox does. You can compare them, it's just not a legitimate comparison. They don't flat out lie and they don't produce videos like the above. Maybe Fox and Daily KOS. I could see that comparison if DKOS was a tv network. DailyKOS annoys me.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST

    @ tsnatch:

    by Chris Moody

    The definition of "Liberalism" that you are using is a far cry from what we see in the modern connotation of the word. Liberals like BIG GOVERNMENT. They applaud when government bureaucrats takes responsibility that has been historically delegated to CITIZENS. They enlarge the federal government and make people dependent upon them. There are less homeowners...and more renters where the government increases regulation of the people who own the homes that we rent. Liberals whine about "freedom" and complain about the Patriot Act -- but then allow trash collectors to inspect your trash (to make sure that you are recycling) or your dog's sexual organs to make sure that it has been neutered (or you will face a fine). They want to take more of OUR money and spend it upon what their rich, fat politicians desire. So, LIBERAL is the OPPOSITE of LIBERTARIAN.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Aragorn, for every example you can find of MSNBC lying.

    by Novaman5000

    I'll find you one of Fox lying. I bet you run out before I do.

  • If any of these conservatives really knew what liberalism meant they would have to disavow their American citizenship like that FaceFuck douchebag.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST

    HEY HERC!

    by Craig2574

    Even CBS which posted that marketwatch story has called it BS! http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57442068/fact-check-obama-off-on-thrifty-spending-claim/

  • May 31, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Liberals love big government

    by Novaman5000

    But are against amending the constitution to ban things like abortion and gay marriage. Is it that they love big government EXCEPT for those two instances?

  • May 31, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Uncle Tom, er, I mean jjiissmmhesux

    by SergeantStedenko

    Add Log Cabin Republican to your profile and your the biggest fool on the face of the Earth.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST

    novaman5000

    by Aragorn II

    I bet we both die before we finish. And I'm not that old.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST

    herc -here's why you're wrong

    by JoeyG

    Everyone who even tries to reasonably look at this stuff knows that: 1) this is one of the is slowest recoveries ever 2) that chart of spending growth is highly misleading because it assigned the TARP bailout and part of the stimulus to Bush, almost 800 BILLION!!! that was to be a one time cost. Your Messiah keep spending that 800B extra every year and tries to say that he didn't increase spending over Bush. 3) job growth ignores 2002-2008 job growth under Bush

  • May 31, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST

    It would be nice if we could

    by Teddy Artery

    fix our spelling errors here with a simple edit button... but I digress. red_right_return, why the hell are you limiting your vote to Obama and Romney? Ron Paul is still in this race, despite the media's desire (and quite frankly, the White House's desire) to make it a fast two man race. Ron Paul ranks very highly among liberals, even though he is a Republican. Why? Because he believes we need to end these many wars we're stuck in, all of which drain our country's resources and grow the military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned of decades ago. Paul also wants "currency competition" and elimination of the Federal Reserve (not a return to the gold standard as so many have wrongly stated) to right our currency. Obama and Romney are two sides of the same tarnished copper penny. For Chrissakes, even Stephen Colbert and John Stewart, both well-known liberals, have come out a number of times to either praise or say they were leaning toward voting for Ron Paul. That's an argument even a dyed-in-the-wool liberal has problems facing.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST

    For the record, I don't watch MSNBC.

    by Novaman5000

    Just saying. I do like Maddow, though. I think she's articulate and typically quite fair. I also sort of like Shep Smith on Fox. Not enough to watch either, mind you, but it's something.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST

    So...this is cool news?

    by Logan_1973

    You've opened up one hell of a bag of doughnuts here, Herc.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:54 p.m. CST

    novaman5000

    by Aragorn II

    I'm pretty much the same with Fox. I get the impression you lean liberal and I lean conservative, but we both see blatant bias when we see it. Or maybe you work for MSNBC and are tracing my IP as we speak. I'm hoping for the former.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST

    spaderific

    by Hercules

    thank you for your clarification. If you look more carefully at some of those 10 Coaxial posts, you'll discover more than 9 of them deal with "unscripted" shows. I could be wrong, but I think it's pretty easy to identify the Ain't It Cool posts with political elements without actually clicking on those posts. I don't think we do a ton of political stories but I think it's plenty easy to avoid reading them. If just the THOUGHT that there's a political element somewhere on Coaxial tortures you to madness, may I recommend THUD, the superb television section over at CHUD? I don't recall ever seeing a post there that touches on politics.

  • If you can't see that then you are blinded by ideology.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST

    @logan

    by Craig2574

    herc just likes the traffic he is most likely laughing right now at what is going on here. A few of us here are talking like adults (Toe_jam from what I have seen) buts its mostly its throwing sand in the sand box.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Time to get the FCC in on this: http://www.fcc.gov/complaints

    by Paul Hanlin Jr

    Complain to the FCC that Faux News isn't a legit news organization, rather, merely the media wing of the RNC. If enough folks do, then perhaps the scourge/plague/cancer that is Faux will be broken up.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    sergeantstedenko, that

    by Teddy Artery

  • May 31, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    First, "Republican" Herc...

    by Chris Moody

    ...I want to make it clear that I was not pleased with spending under President Bush. However, I will dig up some articles and include them soon. And, YES, spending has tripled under Obama. If any books were "cooked," it was that Obama shifted much of the spending in creative ways. More importantly, Obama is not just a failure because of what he couldn't do...but what he PROMISED to do and failed. For two years (2007-2008), he constantly parroted the Howard Dean/David Axelrod talking points about "the failed policies of George W. Bush" (when, ironically, Bush wasn't running for a "third" term). Obama pointed at the deficit and national debt as a reason to not vote for McCain. Obama pointed at 6% unemployment as a reason not to vote for McCain. Obama pointed at the price of gas and "Big Oil" as a reason not to vote for McCain. "We can't drill our way to lower prices," he claimed. Obama promised that unemployment wouldn't reach 8% under his policies (it has been over that since Q3 2009). Obama is the first president to claim that he "saved or created" jobs...and still boasts that more people are at work -- when the unemployment rate is considerably HIGHER than it was when he took office. Obama promised that he would retain the traditional definition of marriage to energize minority supporters -- but now claims to have conveniently "evolved" when support was waning from his San Francisco Liberal base. Obama promised that Obamacare would LOWER the cost of premiums. They have gone up considerably. Obama said that he would not touch Social Security benefits or create medical dispersion (death) panels, etc... His legislation does both. Obama promised that his banking legislation would allow millions of low income Americans to "save money." In reality, the days of "free checking" are pretty much gone now. Obama stated that a "Green Economy" would launch America into a new wave of prosperity. What happened? Gas prices exploded (doubled since his inauguration) and companies like Solyndra went belly up. Yeah, Obama is a FAILURE. He was inadequate in trying to solve problems. In fact, he is part of the problem. His "BLAME BUSH" campaign tactic won't work now.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST

    If I had to choose...

    by TM

    I'd take Obama any day over any of the right wing religious nutcases coming out of the GOP. Specific religious should not be influencing the government period. As an atheist I don't want any right-wing nuts creating laws based on what their god and church says THEY can or can't do. It doesn't apply to me because I'm not part of their religion. But then again I don't like either side so I'm not even voting in 2012.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST

    serge

    by Craig2574

    There has to be lower rates with no deductions that is what is lowering the revenue to the government right now. What needs to be done is something similar to the 1986 tax act.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:59 p.m. CST

    sergeantstedenko, that's BS

    by Teddy Artery

    If you stole every dollar of every billionaire in the US you'd still not even make a dent in the approximately $13 TRILLION debt that has been racked up in our name. Blaming the rich is just a cheap and easy out for socialists.

  • May 31, 2012, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Here's one article, Herc...

    by Chris Moody

    ...and I will find some more. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57442068/fact-check-obama-off-on-thrifty-spending-claim/

  • May 31, 2012, 6:59 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssmredux

    by Craig2574

    I already posted that and Herc ignored it of course

  • May 31, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST

    I tend to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

    by Novaman5000

    I do, however, think the rich should be paying more in taxes. But like I said above, really we should ALL be paying more. This country's in the shitter.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:02 p.m. CST

    terrormaster2012, I'm an agnositc

    by Teddy Artery

    And I'm voting for Ron Paul if he manages to get the Republican nomination (by the way, Romney does NOT have all of the delegates sewn up). If Paul does not get the nomination, then I am voting Gary Johnson and telling the GOP to kiss my ass.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:02 p.m. CST

    @teddy artery

    by Red_Right_Return

    There are many reasons I won't vote for Ron Paul, but the number one would be he has questionable relationships with neo nazis and KKK members.

  • Not a government that is a socialist welfare system for Big Oil, Global Megacorporatoins and the Industrial Military Complex.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST

    terrormaster2012

    by Craig2574

    You are correct but that establishment clause in the constitution doesn't allow any government organization to force their views on them. It should also work the other way that atheists should not allowed to enforce their views on someone else because an atheist is a religious belief as well.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Shit...

    by Chris Moody

    I need to get out of this stupid TB. I really hate it when the Coaxial of this great website turns to politics. Advice Herc: Don't meander into the realm of RELIGION or POLITICS in the TBs. With so many great movies and shows (well, a few shows -- damn you, reality TV), this can be the Golden Age of AICN. I am one of those who remember the "good ol' days" of AICN -- back when we had a King Kong background. I was a kid waiting for news about STAR WARS EPISODE I. The funny thing is that, at the time, there just weren't any articles on Monica Lewinsky on AICN. Ah...I am too young to desire the "good ol' days." But, I do.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST

    I'm socially middle of the road and fiscally kind of conservative.

    by Aragorn II

    I agree wholeheartedly on the rich, but I'm of the economic stripe of believing that you can't tax your way out of a bad economy. That said, I could be completely wrong and have no business making such decisions.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssmredux

    by Hercules

    if you can find or supply ratings for Maddow's show, I'd be happy to include them. Anecdotal evidence suggests her ratings continue to grow, beating Piers Morgan and catching up to Bill O'Reilly. But I think the most overlooked element is, in this Internet age, VERY few Americans are watching cable news. O'Reilly's dull shitball of a primetime hour routinely draws smaller ratings than post-midnight repeats of "King of the Hill," "Meet The Browns," "Friends" and "Storage Wars."

  • May 31, 2012, 7:05 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssmredux

    by Teddy Artery

    I'm quite honestly surprised MarketWatch even issued that report on Obama spending. They are a hotbed of liberalism and anti-business sentiment.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:06 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssmredux

    by Hercules

    As far as I can tell, that article does not dispute the Moneywatch chart.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Cut spending, too.

    by Novaman5000

    But cut it everywhere, not just social programs. Also, pretty sure we don't need to be in so many armed conflicts, so I'm pretty pleased that they're beginning to wrap up.

  • Good luck in November!

  • May 31, 2012, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Exactly Herc.

    by Novaman5000

    Young people don't get their news from TV, while older people do. Fox's demo is 55+, so of course they'll have higher ratings. Also, I think the fact that it's included in basic cable packages while MSNBC is a paid tier above factors a bit into all that as well.

  • If you look at history this country started to go to shit during Reagan's tenure with Trickle down economics and the abandonment of Keynesian economics. Shit even most conservatives look at the 50s as a Golden Age in America. And tax rates for the wealthy were at 90%.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:11 p.m. CST

    red_right_return

    by Teddy Artery

    Paul has ZERO relations with neo-Nazi dipshits and KKK. You are referring to newsletters that were written and issued under his name WHEN HE WAS PRACTICING MEDICINE and not paying attention to whomever was writing and distributing inflammatory material. Ron Paul considers Martin Luther King one of his personal heroes: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ron-paul-defends-newsletters-one-of-my-heroes-was-martin-luther-king/

  • May 31, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssmredux

    by Hercules

    Agreed. You must stop reading these posts containing political elements. That fact that you're always drawn to them over and over and over again, like a magnet to steel, suggests you don't really despise them at all!

  • May 31, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST

    I agree completely with the spending post, novaman5000.

    by Aragorn II

    And as a conservative, I've got no problem with cutting the military. I'm pretty sure there are still tons of those 600 toilet seat-type issues to be ferreted out and resolved. Plus, I don't think we need to be "nation-building" anymore. That's so 2005.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Progressives believe government should protect you from you

    by tootle

    That's it in a nutshell. Progressives love to create laws that protect you from yourself, just like the new york soda law. Conservatives believe the government should only be protecting ME from YOU. Progressives want people to depend on government for as much as possible. Conservatives want the government out of their lives as much as possible. Progressives want everyone the same, because anything else is "unfair." Conservatives recognize and celebrate individualism. Progressives want kids to grow up without knowing failure. Conservatives want kids to grow up prepared for reality.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:14 p.m. CST

    @teddy artery

    by Red_Right_Return

    I see what you are saying, but I myself have to wonder about a potential president that can let things like that happen under his nose and not be paying attention. The problem: it isn't if it is true or not true, just that it is out there.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Well, Herc...

    by Chris Moody

    You are talking about the ratings of the highest rated cable NEWS show. And, you only include the 18-49 ratings and pretend that the others don't matter. And, of course, you never include a citation of your own for where you gather your ratings. But, for your eyes: http://tinyurl.com/cablenews001 This is released on a near-daily basis. It includes ALL of the cable news stations....broken down by various age groups.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST

    yeah pennesy2011! suppress dissent!

    by JoeyG

    just remember when Republicans are in power again you we're OK with it. I agreed the video sounded Like a Mitt Romney ad, but it was all true.

  • But it's a start in the right direction. Truth is that taxes will have to be raised for everyone and yes we will also have to reign in government spending. To think otherwise is tantamount to sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST

    sergeantstedenko

    by Teddy Artery

    Keynesian economics has been proven to be utterly ineffectual! Listen, you can't argue in favor of your position by saying "the other guy is wrong, so I MUST be right"! Republicans AND Democrats are both wrong, Keynesian economics is wrong, trickle down economics is wrong. Whenever (and under either party) you have central planning and imbalances introduced into the system thanks to things like bailouts, subsidies, housing programs, etc.... all of that shit corrupts the economy and corrupts what people do by creating "money for votes" situations.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Conservatives recognize and celebrate individualism??

    by Stifler's Mom

    Good one, tootle. That comment is right up there with MISSION ACCOMPLISHED as pure bullshit.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST

    @ hercules:

    by Chris Moody

    I don't have a problem with political discussions...or discussing political issues. However, THIS IS NOT THE PLACE! This is supposed to be about TELEVISION. How many times did you bring Sarah Palin, a former governor and VP nominee, into a discussion? Seriously...it is time to move on.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Herc - good thing you didn't have GM or Chrysler stock

    by JoeyG

    Obama wiped that out and gave it to the unions!

  • May 31, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST

    @ sergeantstedenko:

    by Chris Moody

    If you were to call me an "Uncle Tom" again in front of me, my wife would probably have to calm me down enough to keep me from beating the shit out of your liberal, fat, racist and arrogant self. Keep your obnoxious racism to yourself, asshole.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:22 p.m. CST

    red_right_return

    by Teddy Artery

    What about Obama's connection to Jeremiah Wright? I know Obama's no more responsible for what Wright said, just as Ron Paul was not responsible AND DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WAS HAPPENING until much later! You are drawing false conclusions. Be better than that. Besides, both Colbert AND Stewart praised Ron Paul long after that "racist newsletter" BS was brought to light. Everyone knows it had nothing to do with Ron Paul.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:23 p.m. CST

    @stiffler's mom

    by tootle

    Yes sir. Any one with half a brain can identify every law that tries to "equalize" as a sad attempt at making everyone the same. All of that shit comes from progressives. Conservatives believe every person is an individual with different abilities and talents - and their lives should reflect them and they should be left to develop them unhindered.

  • I'll give you one: 1) Lower taxes Here's four more: 2) Balance the budget 3) Reduce fraud 4) Legalize drugs 5) Abort fetuses on demand (if you think I'm the only Republican on the planet who loves drugs and abortion, you need to READ UP).

  • May 31, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST

    jjiissmmhesux, er, what is the title of this column?

    by SergeantStedenko

    There are plenty of other talk backs dedicated to non-political tv. Politics is a huge part of television. Always has been. You dang fool!

  • May 31, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST

    @ stifler's mom:

    by Chris Moody

    Haha -- don't tell me that you believe that propaganda/DNC spin that the "Mission Accomplish" banner was one of Bush's ideas...or that it meant that the war in Iraq had concluded? I mean, no one could be THAT stupid, right? The banner was a NAVY idea welcoming home a carrier whose mission in the Persian Gulf was concluded. Period. I guess that you believe that enough stupid people will believe it if you repeat it over and over again.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST

    It is adorable...

    by MaxHeadroom

    It is adorable that you guys think you know something about real life.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Someone is getting a little nervous for Obama?

    by Bucky

    Get used to it. Fox biased? Please. MSNBC and CNN bury stories they don't like and openly display a liberal bias. I watch Fox to be informed and switch to MSNBC to be amused and ultimately disgusted. Al Sharpton? Seriously? When did Fox ever edit a story to ramp up racist hate (NBC). Obama's policies have failed and I apologize for his "arrogance" in accepting a Nobel Prize for doing nothing. I also appreciate the way he encouraged racial unrest by interjecting on the Harvard Prof. case and the case in Florida where a black teen attacked a neighborhood watch person and was shot. Will Zimmerman get to share a beer with Obama when he is found innocent? So, get ready to send Jimmy Carter Jr. back to Chicago. That said can we go back to "Coulson Lives" stories and leave the whiny liberal diatribes to Rachel Maddow (funniest unintended comedy on TV).

  • May 31, 2012, 7:26 p.m. CST

    craig2574

    by TM

    Atheism is NOT a religion. The word "atheism" is simply the opposite of "theism". Where a "theist" is someone with a faith or belief, an "atheist" is someone who does NOT have a belief. Look up the word. I simply don't need a higher power or magic man in the sky, much less someone who believes in such nonsense, making laws that tell me what's morally right from wrong - humans are quite capable of making those decisions themselves. If I want to go to the grocery on a lazy Sunday afternoon and buy a case of brewskies I don't need some archaic Christian law telling me I can't buy beer on Sunday when I'm not even a Christian. Christian laws and rules are only applicable to Christians. Not to atheist, not to Buddhist, not if they're Jewish, and not if they're Islamic. This country is diverse in race and religion and therefore should not be driven by any one culture or belief system.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:27 p.m. CST

    So, hercules...

    by Chris Moody

    ...you think that Republicans want to abort unborn babies (what you try to refer to as "fetuses") on demand? Hate to break it to you, bro, but that is NOT a Republican platform position. The Democrats are the abortion-lovers! They don't care HOW you abort your babies (or WHY) -- just as long as people keep on aborting babies! However, Republicans do want to balance the budget, lower taxes, reduce fraud and diminish non-society-impacting drug laws.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:28 p.m. CST

    NOBODY CARES ABOUT THIS, DUMBASS.

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    what a stupid masturbatory update. Obama lost. deal with it.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Herc, you are a Libertarian and don't even know it

    by Teddy Artery

    Insofar as you want government to be minimal in people's lives and for people to be accountable and responsible for the decisions they make. Your praise for Obama on his handling of the economy is embarrassing. I wonder if you have a passing familiarity of Austrian economics.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Back to the subject at hand

    by John C. Croker

    Fox News has finally managed to reveal itself as a Republican propaganda machine without being able to deny it with the cynical "Fair and Balanced" gag they've pulled for the last fifteen years. Any Democratic politician that still accepts interviews with them is either a fool or a Republican running as a Democratic candidate. Going off-topic to the subject of MSNBC being some alleged liberal bastion. I recall Michael Weiner Savage, Tucker Carlson, Ann Coulter, Alan Keyes, Don Imus, and Pat Buchanan all being employed by MSNBC within the last ten years. Possible intern murderer Joe Scarborough is still employed by them and has a three hour long program each weekday morning on the station. "We're all Neo-cons now." Chris Matthews remain an employee there as well despite his having a tingling sensation for Obama. MSNBC also fired Phil Donahue a month before the Iraq war due to his liberal anti-war opinions. I could go on about CNN, the people who gave Glenn Beck his first big chance, or ABC, the people who put out a hit-piece on Bill Clinton not going after Osama Bin Laden the month before the 2006 mid-terms, or others, but you get my point.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Pro choice does not equal pro abortion.

    by Novaman5000

    No one LOVES abortion. It's not a bottle of vodka or a game of thrones episode.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Any locality should be able to have the laws they want

    by tootle

    Provided it doesn't harm another person or infringe on their basic civil rights. If a county has 80% of it's citizens wanting to prevent the sale of cigarettes on Thursday (or at all) then they should be allowed to vote on and have that law. If people don't like it they can move to the next county. If those people want such a law for a religious reason, it's not the Federal Governments job to say it's then wrong - that's the TRUE meaning of separation of church and state.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST

    sergentstedenko where is this effective govt

    by shane peterson

    you speak of? Oh yeah, in your fantasy-filled head.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST

    jjjiiisssmmmhesux, you're a bigger fool than I thought

    by SergeantStedenko

    Iif you think AWOL Bush flying a fighter jet onto an airliner during the war wasn't a total photo op

  • May 31, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST

    OMG Herc you used that marketwatch report???

    by shane peterson

    The one that CBS itself distanced itself from? The one that Team Obammer touted in a recent press conference? Jesus, lay off the kool-aid.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:34 p.m. CST

    I'm in favor of letting others decide

    by Teddy Artery

    if abortion is right for them or not. I'm not in favor of tax dollars paying for abortions. How people choose to run their lives is no one else's concern.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Razz an, it's your government too. Let's do something about it.

    by SergeantStedenko

    Instead of just keep voting for people who don't even believe in government and then we wonder why nothing gets done.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:37 p.m. CST

    @ "sergeant:"

    by Chris Moody

    Change your name, asshole. You don't deserve to wear a title that is earned by men and women in uniform. THEY deserved that banner for a job well done. AS for a "photo op:" Obama is the KING of photo ops. In fact, his presidency has been one four-year long photo op. And, seriously, read my previous comment. Keep your racist remarks in your fat little head.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:38 p.m. CST

    tootle

    by Teddy Artery

    Please don't make blanket statements about "Conservatives" being better than liberals. It looks like you may lean Ron Paul Republican, possibly even Tea Party influences... but today's Republican Party is not conservative. Not by a long stretch. Both Republicans and Democrats are hopelessly corrupted and under the influence of bankers, special interests, unions and corporatists. If they were all forced to abide by our Constitution, they'd quit!

  • May 31, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Wrong novaman5000 Herc loves abortions

    by JoeyG

  • May 31, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST

    tootle

    by TM

    I don't smoke so couldn't really say. But I do know it's bad for you second hand or not. In general it's a health risk first or second hand. I support most of the anti-smoking zone laws. But local or otherwise, government should not be able to dictate WHEN a store can or can't sell certain products. They can set age limits on who can buy it for health reasons. But not WHEN they can sell it. Same with alcohol. I don't drink either. But if I did I sure as hell don't want a telling me what day or what time of day I'm allowed to purchase it. Such laws simply should not exist or be allowed to exist.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST

    RE:stick you in the ass

    by qwho51

    MR. Herc; You cannot subscribe to Obama as your man and still believe in making money..oh wait, you are a liberal..you can wear as many faces, at the same time, as you need to. But or (is it butt), then again, you wouldn't have all your connections in tinsel town without your liberal shoulder pads. Please, just keep the politics off your website. It is not your politics that has made you successful in your eyes.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST

    @ buckethead50:

    by Chris Moody

    My sister had a baby that was born a week shy of five months. The baby lived for two weeks before he died. That was not just a "fetus." That term is used by people who want to ease their conscience and justify how inhumanely they treat the unborn. Of course, your lack of medical or policy understanding doesn't exactly make you an "expert" on medical issues, does it?

  • May 31, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Oh, fuck off with your politics, Herc

    by Denty420

    You are the only writer on this site that shoves hi9s politics right in the reader's fucking face. This is a MOVIE website, not a political website. If you want to express your politics, then I'm sure that there are plenty of other sites you can write for. But I for one am sick of seeing your shit about how Democrats are evil and Republicans whiter than fucking white. Oh, and just to let you know, I'm from the UK. I have no truck with Democrats or Republicans, just with you for being an asshole.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST

    One Question

    by JoeyG

    What tax rate do you think is "fair"? Anyone?

  • May 31, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST

    "is the economy better?"

    by Hercules

    Fuck YES it's better! Three and a half years ago I was peeing my pants! And to the fellow who thinks I'm lying or an investment genius: check where your 401k was on the day Obama took office and check it now. If you don't have one, look at your dad's. Almost EVERYBODY who kept their money in the market has seen it double under Obama. Look at that fucking Dow chart!

  • May 31, 2012, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Jjjiiissssmmmm, I did read your post

    by SergeantStedenko

    Uncle Tom is not a racist term. It is a racial stereotype created by African Americans based on the novel of same name.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:41 p.m. CST

    buckethead, if you live in SoCal

    by shane peterson

    he is out of your country!

  • May 31, 2012, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Wow. Just. Fucking. WOW.

    by DoctorWho?

  • So all is right in the world. You keep on pretending to even have a goddamn clue about what you're talking about. Not that I really give a shit. I have been reading AICN since the early days and politics really shouldn't have to be a factor one way or another on this site. Movies are my thing and I come here for hopefully Cool News about them. Are you following me? Go blog on Politico or something when you feel the need to get on your Soapbox. I'm here to read about Leprechaun in the Hood.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Ok, BESIDES Herc, no one loves abortions.

    by Novaman5000

  • May 31, 2012, 7:48 p.m. CST

    so who do you blame buckethead?

    by shane peterson

    let me guess.....dez republicanzzz!

  • May 31, 2012, 7:49 p.m. CST

    well said neobob187

    by shane peterson

    .

  • As far as your little graphs, I can show you graphs that show how things are worse if you'd let me. The only 2 numbers that matter are the almost 9% unemployment for over 3 years (when the President's people promised it wouldn't go over 8% if we passed his damn stimulus) and the fact that Obama has added more to the National Debt in 3 years than Bush did in 8 years. With the President's Budget Projections, by the time he has been President 8 years, he'll have added more to the National Debt than every single President in history combined.... How's that Hope and Change working out for you?

  • May 31, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST

    @ sergeantstedenko:

    by Chris Moody

    Moron, you can't be so stupid to not realize that this term is HIGHLY offensive to African Americans like myself. I would rather be called a "n*gger" than this term. It is equating us as obedient "slaves" to white men. It is an extremely offensive racist term that is among the worst slurs in English. You have no right to call me that. So, stop saying that term. Otherwise, someone somewhere will one day beat the shit out of you and feel highly justified to do it.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:52 p.m. CST

    coughlins laws to be fair

    by shane peterson

    how did that mission accomplished slogan work out for Dubya?

  • May 31, 2012, 7:54 p.m. CST

    yeah no one has the right to call a black man

    by shane peterson

    or woman an Uncle Tom. That's not cool.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:54 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssmredux

    by Hercules

    where did I comment on the RNC platform? If you must continue to keep reading and giving Ain't It Cool all these hits our advertisers crave, kindly RE-READ the question I answered. Once you do, I believe then you will discover I answered the question correctly!

  • May 31, 2012, 7:55 p.m. CST

    @ buckethead50 :

    by Chris Moody

    The difference between "abortion" and "murder" is about 2 inches of the mother's flesh. If that baby was located on the outside, the abortionist would be prosecuted for "murder." So, call it a "fetus" if it helps ease your conscience. But don't try to pretend that the rest of us will ever see it as you want us to.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:56 p.m. CST

    calm down douche

    by shane peterson

    and it's government AID not aide. Stupid illiterate lib. lol

  • May 31, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST

    @ tazzman:

    by Chris Moody

    I can't speak for Coughlin, but that banner was NOT created by Bush...and it wasn't a description of the Iraq War. It was about a carrier completing its mission in Iraq.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Buckethead50

    by Denty420

    That may well be, but this is primarily a MOVIE NEWS website. Most of the writers, even that over-indulgent semen machine that is Harry Knowles tend to stick to that mandate pretty faithfully. But not the ever-full-of-shit Hercules, unfortunately.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST

    buckethead you clearly have that bucket

    by shane peterson

    over your eyes and havent read my posts.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Well that's the nail in the coffin for this site for me...

    by Charlie_Allnut

    I come here for a brief respite from the depressing news every day, to commiserate with other film geeks about film. I don't give a shit if you people are liberal or conservative, but I don't come here to hear your little opinions or to have you attack my beliefs. I personally go out of my way to avoid political discussions on this site because I come here to celebrate film. But since this site is now an Obama propaganda site, I won't be coming back after 15 years of visiting.

  • May 31, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Then I blame Bush for being

    by shane peterson

    a complete moron and not bringing it up. Listen, the guy, Dubya, fucked conservatives and independents in the bum for 8 years. And did I mention Karl Rove is a GOP establishment prick?

  • Its getting hard to knee member all the magic words tou're not allowed to say because you might get killed. I feel like Rush Limbaugh.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:03 p.m. CST

    A bit disingenuous, Coughlin.

    by Novaman5000

    The wars were not included in Bush's numbers, but WERE included in Obama's numbers. A majority of the military spending for Iraq and Afghanistan during the Bush administration was done through emergency spending measures, which were not included in the budget numbers that Republicans toss out. The spending for those wars was already happening, Obama's admin just decided to no longer hide it. He mentions it in this speech, in fact. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-of-President-Barack-Obama-Address-to-Joint-Session-of-Congress/

  • May 31, 2012, 8:05 p.m. CST

    @ sergeantstedenko :

    by Chris Moody

    Just don't use RACIST slurs, bro. In particular, refrain from racist slurs that are used to invoke slavery to a black man.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:06 p.m. CST

    novaman5000 they BOTh spent us into oblivion!

    by shane peterson

    Does it really fucking matter at this point? Only to partisan hacks.

  • For the record, AWOL Bush didn't even fly that jet. It was the pilot in the rear cockpit.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Ccchhhrrriiisssmmm

    by SergeantStedenko

    Fair enough.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:10 p.m. CST

    This is where they use their gotcha bullshit.

    by gotilk

    If you spend 2 billion bailing someone out, (hypothetical here) and they pay back 2.05 billion, people can still say that you *SPENT* 2 billion and just leave it at that, and still not technically be lying. But see, you'd still be *technically* a fuckhead trying to ruin the country rather than possibly lose are admit to being wrong about something. That's the shit these assholes get away with year after year, and it will come to an end. They will take it too far and run afoul of the law, just like what's happened across the pond. The time is coming. You can lie to the American people, and you can get away with it for a LONG time, but you will eventually pay the piper for it. You'd love to lump me in as your typical liberal, but the truth is I'm closer to a libertarian than I am a liberal. The only real place where I come closer to liberalism is when it comes to the reality of charitable programs and how they relate to the government's responsibility. See, I think some government programs such as health care are a matter of the public health, the public good and public safety. I do NOT think taxation is fair, currently. I do sympathize with the 99% movement, but not in the same ways that many others do. I think that taxation should have at least some fairness to it. But I also think that if you can be a company and a *person* at the same time, you have to play by *person* rules. You have to be responsible, like a person, for things like death, destruction, crime if your company is guilty of causing such things. But then who to jail? Well, they wanted personhood, so that's what it comes with. It's messy, but not so far. So far, they get all the rights, none of the responsibilities. That's bullshit. No-one ever said life was fair. But that doesn't mean we won't fight for some fairness anyway. That's where the scales tip the other way and then THEY have to deal with the fact that, well... life isn't fair. You win some, you lose some. The free ride may be coming to an end. There may be terrible consequences, for a while, even for the poor. But corporate welfare, huge chunks of free money from the government handed out most of the time only to those who already have a ton of money and tax loopholes that allow people with billions to pay 4 percent while people with 9 to 5 jobs pay significantly more (of their gross) through the *poor taxes* (gas, sales tax, taxes on utilities and services, sin taxes, etc), which have little to no impact on the rich, MUST and WILL come to an end. It's unsustainable. And welfare/food stamps are a drop in the bucket in comparison. The days of the 48 dollar Iraq cheeseburger and fries and the 20 million in corn that never gets eaten must come to an end. THAT is the problem, not the welfare that continues to put money in the pockets of Bam Margera, Eminem, KORN, Kid Rock and the WWE (but oddly, not dentists). Once the corruption and the tricks and the financial brutality ends, then maybe as the average person removes the boots from their necks, we can all settle in and take a look at.... the fed.... the war on drugs..... the decaying public school system.... and see if we cannot come up with solutions that don't always rely on the government. But right now we're fucked. And the neocons/mainstream right are focused on a WIN, and saving face more than coming up with any solutions. And the conservatives/libertarians who DO offer solutions are laughed at, silenced, disowned or ignored..... EVEN when they are winning. (Paul anyone? look at how well he was doing, and the media just kept glossing over him with a chuckle and a shrug) The Teabaggers are a nonsensical, stupid lot, who scream freedom and liberty but get behind candidates who would force their morality on the masses through law. Sorry guys. That's not freedom, it's not liberty and its certainly NOT in respect of that constitution they wave around as if they've read it. The Democrats are not much better, but in some cases, especially on a grass roots, local level, are in some cases coming up with solutions.... winning.... and most importantly... LISTENING to what people are going through, what they need and how they think things can be fixed. Or improved. So what do you want? If you want anarchy , fine. Admit it. But if you want society, and one based on the ideals and the self-evident truths of our forefathers and their ilk, it don't come free and it don't come cheap. And no, you can't always shoot your way to society(STOP... that's not what I meant, I respect and appreciate our veterans AND current soldiers across the world). It COSTS. Finding the balance is where the differences come in, but you're a fool if you think we can have a free society with a relative amount of safety and protection from infectious disease without taxation. We just have to re-evaluate what it is that matters to us and decide what we're willing to give up in exchange. We have to decide if we trust a corporation with things like policing, the prison system, public health matters and education. The transportation systems as well. Do you trust that toll roads won't become a barrier to commerce and free movement? Do you trust that your pothead uncle, who you love and adore, will be treated humanely by a prison system that's decided that he is no longer capable of providing the free labor they expect from him? Do you trust that the predominantly religious private school system will teach science to your children instead of focusing more on indoctrination over education? Do you trust that a company doing research into a cure for a disease won't pass over something they cannot patent and abandon that line of research in favor of something they can patent and profit from in a bigger way? You just have to decide. And then live with the world that creates. There are some things, even though the list may be getting shorter as I get older, that I think are worth being taxed for. I love my country and I think the experiment is just beginning. Even though corruption and greed beyond any human need has taken over so much of what we are now. Since our laws have made it almost impossible to start over by force without being considered terrorist, we must work within the system we have and do our best to destroy corruption however we can. To shame greed when it's excessive. To encourage the private sector to care for its citizens, without whom they would not have their fortunes. To take a good hard, long look and the excesses of the world of landlords and renters. To make it LEGAL for people to find new ways to live, in smaller spaces, with shared land and resources. We need to examine the barriers put in place to prevent things like the tiny house movement to gain ground. I watched a documentary that featured a guy who had to TRICK the local government into letting him build a smaller home than usual. The way he had to do it was to get a large house and a larger than usual garage approved by inspectors.Then he built the *garage* and told them he decided to quit. Then he converted the garage to his home. WHY was this so difficult? Because it meant he wouldn't have a mortgage over his head for 30 years?? Has it gone that far? That's insanity. When people talk about de-regulation and I say *yeah, fine.... okay... let's do it bottom up instead of top-down* they seem confused... or angry. This is exactly what I'm talking about. When THEY talk about de-regulation, they mean removing barriers that prevent them from raping the land unhindered and without any kind of compensation or consideration for the people (yep, it's ours). But then no mention of removing the barriers that stand between the common man and his happiness, built on years of hard work, passion and real effort. Laws designed to make sure we're stuck in the rut they've designed for us. The rut that makes absolutely sure things like rent, mortgages, utilities take JUST the right amount of our resources so that we never pursue anything out of the ordinary, that we never are able to pursue our own true happiness. And when we come up with a great idea, especially young people, to break out of that mold and live smaller... truly smaller in order to pursue a dream, there are laws and regulations that to make sure that we cannot do so. ENOUGH! Vote however you feel is right. Or don't. Be the change you want to see in the world? BULLSHIT. Get out there, get involved and change laws.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:10 p.m. CST

    @ buckethead50 :

    by Chris Moody

    What the fuck are you talking about? I am not referring to you as a Christian or a Conservative at all. In fact, I don't care WHAT religion (or lack thereof) that you embrace when it comes to abortion. However, it is ridiculous to refer to it as nothing more than the systematic removal of fetal tissue. It is the killing of a living being inside of the mother's womb...and the only difference between "murder" and "abortion" is a few inches of flesh. The baby (or fetus as you call him/her) feels the same amount of pain.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:13 p.m. CST

    The chart from CBS Moneywatch...

    by MasterControlProgram

    The CBS Moneywatch chart has already been debunked. The chart almost identically matches a chart created by Liberal Democrat Nancy Pelosi. It is not an accurate chart. The chart created by Pelosi was used by the writer who composed the CBS Moneywatch piece in which the chart was used. Here is a link to the story explaining it further: http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/daniel-anderson/who-really-increased-the-debt However Hercules, if you actually knew anything about politics, the House and the Senate can authorize spending without the president's permission. So looking at your same chart...Democrats were in charge of the House and Senate under Reagan, and Bush I and the 2nd term of Bush II. However Republicans were in charge of the House under 6 years of Clinton's two terms and have been in charge of the House for the last two years of Obama. But now look at the spending in the 2nd half of W's term. Before Democrats took charge of the house spending was far lower, gas was $1.73/gallon and the deficit was far lower. Once the Democrats took charge the spending went through the roof...and the economy collapsed. Even with that spending the Deficit was at $400 BILLION. Fast forward to the first two years of Obama's presidency. Democrats were in charge and spent with reckless abandon. By the time Republicans got back control of the House Obama and the Democrats increased the Federal Deficit to $1.6 TRILLION. That is 4 Times greater than the deficit under Bush. So the Democrats Quadrupled the Deficit. So the chart makes no sense based on pure logic and pure economics. Sorry Herc, You are misguided and don't understand how the economy works. And your 401K....The president has nothing to two the the Stock Market. The Stock Market is based on speculation. It moves up and down under the guidance and control of investors. They make their decisions on trends in the marketplace. So you can't blame any one president for the increase or decrease in the stock market. When you opine....educate yourself first otherwise you lose what little credibility that you already have. -- End of Line --

  • May 31, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST

    BTW, Herc, NBC News made an Anti-

    by Coughlins Laws

  • May 31, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST

    I love that *noone cares about this, dumbass* comment.

    by gotilk

    Followed by one of the bigger flurry of posts I've seen here in a LONG time. Hilarious. Nah, no-one cares. Except maybe.... tons.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST

    BTW, Herc, NBC News made an A

    by Coughlins Laws

  • May 31, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST

    re "How's that Hope and Change working out for you?"

    by Hercules

    Asked and answered, your honor.

  • Just saying. Regardless of what side of the political fence you sit on, this hardly seems to be the type of article appropriate for AICN's audience, especially since not all of its visitors care about American politics.

  • Oh, that's right, you have no legitimate point. NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, PBS, NPR, The New York Times, The Washington Post, Time, Newsweek, etc, etc, etc, can ALL be shown to have hundreds of examples over the years where their reporters, anchors, stories, etc, are biased to the liberal point of view and the Democrat candidate. It's not even arguable...

  • May 31, 2012, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Reading these comments....

    by adml_shake

    I feel like I should start pointing out all the incorrect facts. But the more I read the more I see that there just won't be getting through to any of you. I'm a life long registered republican. And I think Bush was a horrible president. And I also think that the current party no longer stands up for the beliefs they had when I joined. Am I a president Obama supporter? Maybe. I don't think he's done a super job, but I think he did about as well as could be expected with the mess he got from the previous administration and then dealing with what history is going to remember as one of the worst Congress classes we've ever had.

  • When they were making that reboot pilot I actually thought of Vaughn.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:20 p.m. CST

    gotilk

    by Hercules

    Precisely my thought. "Herc, please stop posting these posts I can't stop myself from reading and commenting upon!" I suspect they possess an imperfect understanding of this very capitalistic website's business model.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:22 p.m. CST

    All Obama needs to do is get the rights to Newt's King of Bain documentary

    by SergeantStedenko

    And run it nonstop in prime time during Amerca's Got Talent. Newt already did the heavy lifting.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:22 p.m. CST

    sergeantstedenko

    by Hercules

    I can't think of a better choice.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:24 p.m. CST

    re "NBC News made an Anti-Romney video"

    by Hercules

    Are you lying?

  • May 31, 2012, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Errrrrr......gas was $4.25/gallon under Bush

    by Jaster Mareel

    It was $.99/gallon under Clinton. Bush decried Clinton's lack of an energy policy and once he was sworn in he said 50 new refineries were under construction. Every single one of those refineries mysteriously never finished construction. Cheney oversaw secret talks of an energy policy. This policy was never announced, but Enron had a lot to do with them, which led to the constant stream of brown-outs in LA as they held the state hostage by turning off their power until ransom was paid. They did this over and over and over and subsequently led to Governor Davis' recall and Arnold (fuck the maid) Schwarzenneger getting into office and fucking the state even further. Yeah you Republicans sure got a handle on how to fix this country. *eyeroll*

  • Personally, if I feel embarrassed for Republicans when it comes to the Tea Party lunatics.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:28 p.m. CST

    This is fun! But Herc, I'm calling you out

    by Monroville

    "I'll give you one: 1) Lower taxes Here's four more: 2) Balance the budget 3) Reduce fraud 4) Legalize drugs 5) Abort fetuses on demand (if you think I'm the only Republican on the planet who loves drugs and abortion, you need to READ UP). " (1) Lower taxes for whom? The working class? The rich? Who are the rich? Who are the poor? More importantly, who gets to define them? Frankly, I say increase taxes on all politicians and government workers for starters, followed with a Hollywood tax (or a Titanic tax if you like) for those who excessively waste their money on stupid, frivolous things. (2) Balance the Budget? Didn't the republicans "try" this a few times, and every time the democrats voted against it or loaded it up with non-related earmarks? But you're still going to vote for Obama (sigh)... (3) Reduce fraud? Again, it is the REPUBLICANS that are trying to pass a voter ID law (among others) and it is the democrats that are killing the bills. You still seem to support the side that is against any form of fraud reduction. (4) Legalizing all drugs? Are you crazy? Do you know anything about what happened in America between 1866 and 1930? There is a reason a lot of drugs (particularly drugs related to morphine and opium) are completely outlawed. Hell, the FDA and ingredient labeling came about due to the so-called snake oil salesmen (as seen in THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES) that were selling whiskey laced with morphine and other opium derivatives, which led to a record number of american citizens becoming addicted to opium related drugs (not including the amount of soldiers that became addicted to morphine). Even so, we can see how well alcohol and tobacco have affected the country (be it legal or not). (5) Abort all fetuses on demand? Automatically NOT a republican nor christian (not that you ever were). I am all for birth control in the form of the pill BEFORE sex or condoms and the like. I am NOT for humans being able to legally murder another human simply because they do not want to be responsible for their behavior. You speak of the government or culture wanting to control a woman's body, when the problem from the beginning was women not controlling their bodies.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Sorry for all of the typos.

    by gotilk

    Man, what a mess. Genuine apologies. I miss my old keyboard. No excuses though. I was typing while under the influence of passion.

  • yikes!

  • May 31, 2012, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Good for you, Herc.

    by furnari5

    It's your website. Post what you like. I may not always agree with you, but I am not going to be an asshole about it.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:33 p.m. CST

    the AICN resident republican!

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    Knew this had to be a herc story before I even clicked it

  • Because when there's a Republican in office, you say it's just the way it goes, but when a Democrat is in office, he is personally upping the price of oil. So either both Bush and Obama have personally fucked up the oil prices, or neither one have. Which is it? I know all the mouth-breathing, nose-picking conservatards are constantly talking about starting a war with Iran, a country which has previously boycotted oil sales to America. Hmmmmmm, do you think that might affect the oil market at all? You idit5ots already lowered our credit rating by screaming how we were going to default on our financial commitments. Commitments, I might add, that CONSERVATARDS created! I just wonder if you guys ever have a moment of clarity where you say =Woah.....I'm really fucking stupid.....=

  • May 31, 2012, 8:35 p.m. CST

    buckethead50

    by adml_shake

    I wouldn't say I did well under Bush, I was in college with no idea what I wanted to do with my life go kicked out of parents house after my mother died and my step father remarried and she decided she didn't want my sister or I there. But I went back to college, paid for my me, got a job in IT and have been working on building my career for the past 6 years.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST

    herc seems to have a problem with personal responsibilty

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    Consequences have become a dirty word...there should be none! Unless you're a rich white male in which case let eggshells cut the bottom of your feet while you try to live in this "free" country

  • May 31, 2012, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Hai guys!

    by cyberuck

    What's going on in here?

  • It's a fantastic documentary with audio tape of Enro executives calling power plants and telling them to shut down. You can hear them send intructions to LIE and say it's for routine maintenace. I don't directly blame Bush for most of the crqap that happened under his watch because he was just a trained monkey.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Fucking wireless keyboard....

    by Jaster Mareel

    Excuse the typos.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST

    and also buckethead50

    by adml_shake

    I know exactly how he got the nomination...he was just the strongest candidate, or the most photogenic, out of a lack luster group. Most Republicans agree that the none of the nominee's were all that great. I think the problem today is that people are loyal to a party and not the country anymore. They care more about getting their party members into power like it will somehow vindicate their views and attitudes, than they do actually trying to make things better.

  • You'll find the rest of the (western) world doesn't have this problem

  • May 31, 2012, 8:42 p.m. CST

    ^hahaha entire article/talkback

    by wierdo27

  • May 31, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST

    "This is a MOVIE website, not a political website."

    by Hercules

    As someone has already pointed out, this is a movie-TV-comics website and sometimes the TV makers make stuff like "The West Wing," "Game Change" and "Fox and Friends." > "You are the only writer on this site that shoves hi9s politics right in the reader's fucking face." Sorry you feel that way! http://www.aintitcool.com/node/38844

  • May 31, 2012, 8:45 p.m. CST

    I support Herc on this

    by _Lizarkeo

    AICN is my DAILY COOL NEWS since 1996. Plus the fact that I don't read/watch CNN or any other "journalistic" site. AICN/Coaxial are far more geek friendly for sure! Cheers.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:45 p.m. CST

    buckethead50

    by adml_shake

    I did get some vindication. A week after we got booted out she moved her 25 year old son in to the house who then robbed them blind while they were on a vacation trip, stole their new Suburban and plowed it into a ditch on a drug binge. He survived.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST

    exley

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    You'll find many conservatives like myself are atheist pro legalization of drugs and gay marriage but absolutely despise the liberal way of thinking...they are racists because they think black people are too weak and need help from progressive white people and are bigoted because they think the poor gays need their help...talk about treating people like dirt...they claim to love the less fortunate but don't believe the less fortunate are capable enough or smart enough to help themselves...liberals are the most elitist snobs around...and they think you NEED their help to be able to succeed...how anyone can get fooled by this nonsense is mind boggling

  • If the GOP had their way, they'd both be dead. Bullshit these elections don't have consequences, the dems are soft and lack defined goals but are clearly the lesser of two evils. Oh and cut a couple trillion off that obama debt, he put the wars on the books, bad move politically but it was the right thing to do.

  • May 31, 2012, 8:53 p.m. CST

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    Liberal mindset: hey minorities vote for us because you NEED us you can't get ahead without us! Hey gay people same thing! You must rely on us because if you don't you won't be able to be happy...hey poor people vote for us because you're not smart enough or talented enough to get yourself into a better situation!

  • May 31, 2012, 8:54 p.m. CST

    wrath_of_fett

    by Teddy Artery

    Please. Neither "conservatives", nor "liberals" have been good for this country because they BOTH give the people (aka voters and financial backers) what they want... which oft times is unconstitutional and exactly not what government is there for. Government exists to defend the Constitution and Bill of Rights, which is just as likely to be ignored by individuals as it is by government... but government is meant to defend the rights of the individual!

  • And I don't believe in natural equality, I don't think any two people are equal. But certain sections of society have started off as less than equal for a long time, and if government has to help get everyone on the same footing before natural selection lets them rip each others faces off, so be it

  • May 31, 2012, 8:56 p.m. CST

    hey raskolnikov

    by boogalooshrimp

    the GOP has gone out of their way to make those minorities' lives shit. other than that I agree with you.

  • Is this site going to become the History Channel of entertainment news and review sites?

  • May 31, 2012, 9:07 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssmmmredux

    by angry kitty

    Sorry to hear about your sister's loss. It is heartbreaking to lose a child. My condolences

  • I mean, if it will make your foolish pride swell up. Then stay by all means. Stay when this country eventually implodes and turns into Africa or some Banana Republic like Colombia. See what happens.

  • May 31, 2012, 9:12 p.m. CST

    ashokforgiven

    by Teddy Artery

    Why the hell would you vote for Romney? He'd be George Bush's 4th term (after Obama as Bush's 3rd term). And by the way, Romney has not yet won the delegates. This is not a two person race. Prepare for shock and awe, baby.

  • May 31, 2012, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Fox is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Republican Party

    by Clio

    They may as well admit it.

  • May 31, 2012, 9:24 p.m. CST

    adml_shake...actually there was a much better candidate

    by K-Gin

    Jon Huntsman was easily the best candidate. He was considered way too moderate to really have a chance...but he stuck to his message...and even if I disagreed with some of his assessments, I respected his opinion.

  • May 31, 2012, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.

    by F-18

    Kodos '12.

  • May 31, 2012, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Monroville

    by K-Gin

    You claim Bush had policies to compete against China? This is absolutely false. I recall watching several programs during Bush's term commenting about how Bush largely ignored China with consideration of his policies and any addressing of outsourcing and currency manipulation of China. I am not claiming Obama's are better, but given the rise of China's economic power over the last decade, there is less the U.S. is able to do now. For you to give Bush credit is absolutely wrong when people at the time were wondering why his administration did nothing at all!

  • May 31, 2012, 9:37 p.m. CST

    John Huntsman was no moderate

    by John C. Croker

    He supported radical Republican Paul Ryan's plan to pull the medicare rug out from people under the age of 55. The only reason anybody would consider that a moderate position is due to conservatives pulling the political Overton Window so far to the right. Fucking people over just seems normal now.

  • May 31, 2012, 9:37 p.m. CST

    For people who site documentaries...

    by K-Gin

    Documentaries have become master propoganda pieces for both the left and the right with very selective information being put forth. Its easy to accept everything they tell you, but try to keep some doubt when watching these things. Some of their facts can be verified, but then their may be some things that they leave out that would make you question some things they may present.

  • May 31, 2012, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Economic growth rate just revised...downward

    by John Brown

    What was previously thought to be a 2.2% first quarter growth was actually 1.9%...which isn't even enough to keep up with population growth. By comparison, the growth rate under Reagan averaged 6%.

  • May 31, 2012, 9:38 p.m. CST

    This is pathetic. Why dirty this site with politics?

    by bigbaldpapa

    Stick to entertainment news.

  • Cant any of you stand in the middle for a second and realize both sides are one entity? Its THE GOVERNMENT. And it has fucked you. But keep fighting with each other about gay mariage, stem cell research and a womans right to choose and forget that Bush came within an inch of literally destroying the country and all of our civil liberties. And also forget that Obama finished off our civil liberties by turning the insanely unconstitutional but temporary Patriot Act into permanent law, and that he has ordered and carried out the execution of American citizens without due process. And certainly don't pay any attention to th... oh shit! America's Got Talent is on!

  • May 31, 2012, 9:42 p.m. CST

    I applaud you.

    by Panic Now

    I'm glad you guys aren't afraid to share your political views (whether or not they jibe with mine). Keep it up. Ramp it up.

  • May 31, 2012, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Pablumatic

    by K-Gin

    I admit I was not aware of this support...but from what I saw from him during the campaign, he was the only one that didn't have me shake my head at the nonsense they were spewing.

  • May 31, 2012, 9:43 p.m. CST

    TB broken?

    by theBigE

  • May 31, 2012, 9:43 p.m. CST

    TV Cable News ratings: for Herc

    by theBigE

    Herc, you can find ALL ratings for TV, cable news included, at zap2it.com. (As a TV reporter, I'm sure you already know this.) And according to yesterday's numbers, Rachel Maddow is NOT anywhere close to O'Reilly's numbers, as you claim.

  • May 31, 2012, 9:44 p.m. CST

    ratings here:

    by theBigE

    http://tinyurl.com/6q3utm2

  • May 31, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Covjack

    by K-Gin

    Maybe Reagan's tax increases helped improve those numbers.

  • May 31, 2012, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Spending increases

    by DunderMifflinIntern

    So, if my wife increases our household spending by $1000 a month, putting us in a deficit, it's okay if I increase it another $900, because it's less than $1000? This is the same idiotic defense that Clinton followers give when they support his defense cuts. The Soviet Union falls and Bush Sr cuts defense spending, therefore more cuts are automatically justified. Maybe the military was still too big and needed to be cut, but just because someone pushes us in one direction doesn't mean someone that supports that person must automatically lay down and accept a further push in that direction. I'd also point out that a significant chunk of "spending" in Bush's last year was TARP, which was mostly a LOAN. The deficit is cash basis, not accrual accounting. Therefore we had a $600 billion addition to the deficit under Bush and most of that came back under Obama. Even with all the money coming back into the treasury from the banks returning TARP funds, Obama STILL massively increased spending, and nobody is going to be giving the stimulus back with interest when the next president takes over. Obama got hundreds of billions back from JP Morgan et al, let the Iraq war wind-down on schedule, and still increased the deficit massively.

  • Just look at the stupid back n' forth between Herc and Chrisssssmmmmm. It's the epitome of the growing schism between those who have chosen to identify themselves as Conservatives. On one hand, you have those who are concerned with governance; that which is based on prudent and pragmatic policy decisions. And on the other hand, you have idealogues whose sole purpose is to attack the opposition and purge their ranks of those who fail the Real Conservative Tribalism Litmus Test. Is it any wonder why the latter has made American conservatives a laughing stock around the world?

  • Some of us have jobs.

  • May 31, 2012, 9:50 p.m. CST

    truer words have never been written

    by SID 8.0

  • May 31, 2012, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Chairman Kaga that is

    by SID 8.0

  • Better to have all that propaganda out in the open so folks can see it. To continue hiding it under their Fair and Balanced mantra does no one any favors...them least of all.

  • May 31, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice gaius, you hit the proverbial nail on the head

    by SergeantStedenko

    Intelligent Republican pols have to pretend that they are stupid and deny scientific facts in favor fo superstition and misinformation. Huntsman was their best shot, but he refused to play dumb and he was ostracized for his service to the country.

  • May 31, 2012, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Fun fact! Not everybody who visits this site is fucking American!

    by Tall_Boy6t6

    Like, in my country, Prometheus is rated 14A & not rated R. Get it? No politics & no Hulu for the rest of the world. Kthanksbye.

  • May 31, 2012, 9:58 p.m. CST

    "war on women"

    by tootle

    War on women? Preventing government from being able to force religious institutions to supply BC for sluts is a war on women? How about the majority of sex-targeted abortions being on female babies? That's a little better example of a war on women. Liberals don't give a shit about murdering baby girls, but make sure once the girls they DO let live grow up get free birth control so they can screw who they like. The left is the lesser of two evils? Only in a liberals messesd up mind is forced birth control provisions a lesser evil than murder.

  • If you're an entertainment site, you cover it from an entertainment perspective. Showing FUCKING GRAPHS!!!!! of US economic growth has ZERO relevance to an entertainment website. Seriously, how is this related to entertainment journalism in the slightest? Impossible to rationalize. At all. Period.

  • May 31, 2012, 10 p.m. CST

    Fox news is bad?

    by tootle

    Everything negative said in this TB about Fox News is true. Which is why the fact that it's still the only American Cable News network that's half-way worth watching really says something about the others.

  • May 31, 2012, 10 p.m. CST

    The stats in the video are right on...

    by Tacoloft

    ...but for an entire Progressive Liberal group of people who base all decisions on emotion and how something looks I can understand why the video pissed them off. It was edited using their Dear Leader Obama's own words and had "scary" music playing in the background. No wonder Herc has his panties in a wad... Face it Herc, Obama is a celebrity NOT a Leader. I hope he's voted off the Island and all that money he gets from his Hollywood cronies is flat out wasted... It's no wonder why Oprah is scrambling for attention, she backed him and now people see her for what she really is. Do you really think Oprah would have backed B.O. if he was white? Also don't you think it was hypocritical to blast the rich and then turn around and ask for $40k a plate dinner donations from that same group? Screw Obama.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Has anyone ever tried to sue Fox for the "Fair and Balanced" BS?

    by SergeantStedenko

    I'm thinking a class action lawsuit. Won't be hard to prove our case either.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:03 p.m. CST

    SergeantStedenko

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Huntsman's problem was two-fold. He didn't bash President Obama with enough Palin-Gingrich-styled red meat. He also shot himself in the foot when he raised his hand on the now infamous 10-to-1 spending cuts to taxes question on reducing the deficit. He miscalculated by playing to the room he was in and showed he wasn't serious about being honest about what it will take over the long term.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:03 p.m. CST

    "Wild spending of the Bush Administration"?

    by Doughboy

    Look, Herc. I get that you're a partisan hack. You hate FoxNews. You dig Stewart and Colbert. All that's well and good. But at least put a little effort into these political posts of yours so that it doesn't look like you copied and pasted a bunch of DNC-issued talking points from Media Matters. Seriously, you included every last tired one of them: "tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires", "economy crated under Bush", "Obama saved us from another Great Depression". All you needed was "Obama killed bin Laden" and you would've had MSNBC knocking on your door any minute now offering to hire you as a contributor. However, here are a few inconvenient truths(to borrow a term from another left-wing partisan hack): Obama has spent more in 3 years in office than Bush did in 8, Obama has presided over the longest stretch of 8+% unemployment since the Great Depression, gas prices have doubled since Obama took office, health care premiums have risen since the passage of Obamacare which BTW is already projected to cost at least twice what we were originally told, Congress hasn't passed a budget since early 2009 right after Obama's inauguration, and the stock market you so highly touted dropped over 6% in the month of May thanks to a slowing US economy and the Eurozone's impending collapse(Facebook didn't help matters either). Oh BTW, those bailouts you credit with saving the economy were actually initiated by the Bush Administration. Obama signed the second half of TARP into law, but his predecessor was responsible for the first half. I guess that means Bush saved the economy according to your twisted logic, right?

  • May 31, 2012, 10:04 p.m. CST

    ::sigh::

    by Croweyes1121

    Anyone who thinks that things have gotten better under this administration has such an obvious, grotesque disconnect with the reality that I and virtually everyone I know have been living in these last three years that there is unquestionably nothing whatever to be gained through belaboring what should to any rational, economically educated individual be the blatantly obvious. So I won't argue with this. I'm stating my case with what small voice I have come November. Romney 2012

  • May 31, 2012, 10:06 p.m. CST

    CelebrityDave

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I have no doubts about that. Although, I'd be willing to bet that they're laughed at for different reasons. Cheers.

  • When did I say Maddow was close to O'Reilly? I swear to Christ, the next talkbacker I catch misquoting me is not going to be a talkbacker a great deal longer. Can anyone find Maddow's numbers in adults 18-49?

  • May 31, 2012, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Jesus Christ...

    by eveelcapitalist

    Herc is in full on Obama cock chugging mode, isn't he? Well, it's the silly season and people do get extra-stupid around now. Seriously, Herc, go get a job at fucking Politico or Buzzfeed or some place to post your bullshit lefty nonsense. And stop fucking lying about being a Republican. Dude, seriously, no one buys it. "But I'm a dues paying member!" So fucking what? Even asumming that's true, it's what, $20 bucks a year to have a membership? Unless you intend on voting Republican, which you don't as you've made perfectly clear, it means fuck all. You disrespect your readers when you go out making bullshit claims like that while forcing Obama campaign talking points down our throats. As for your 401K, you simplistic little fucking weasel, Obama has been jamming his bullshit "stimulus" on to the country since he took office. A $1 TRILLION dollar stimulus tacked on to the last budget the Democrats bothered to produce (FY 2009), followed by Continuing Resolutions that continue the trend of trillion and a half dollar deficits. Oh yeah, real healthy there. Your 401K is fueled by the malinvested tax dollars of working Americans and money borrowed from China. I don't even want to get into the Fed's policy of inflationary "quantitative easing". This is good? If that's your reason for backing Obama, Herc, you're nothing but a fucking bum. And jobs? Jobs growth is fucking flat or in decline. We've got double digit unempoyment (see the U3 unemployment rate) and a smaller jobs market. Did I mention that Obama promised unemployment under 8% with his stimulus? U6 unemployment topped out at 9.9% in December of 2009 and is only now 8.1%. WHOOPS! Total employment in the United States in 2007 was 146,000,000 jobs. In 2012 it's down to a smidge above 139,000,000. But your 401K is doing good, which is all that matters. NOW LET'S ALL TALK ABOUT FOX NEWS INSTEAD! You're a fucking simpleton, Herc. A goddamn dishonest piece of shit if there ever was one. Even when presented with the most vanilla middle of the road RINO Republican the party can put forward you'd still rather suck the cock of the know nothing socialist clusterfuck of miserable failure, Barack Hussein Obama. But good news about your 401K. Oh, it needs to be noted that there are people in the Obama Administration that wants to nationalize them all to shore up Social Security, but you keep living on Cloud 9.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Yay constitution! yay freedom of speech! FUCK YOU HERC FOR POSTING THIS!

    by Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad

    Pathetic assholes. All of you. Left and Right.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:21 p.m. CST

    I think it's funny when people complain about politics...

    by chiwrtr72

    on this site. As if they were forced to click into the story and then forced to participate in the talkback. It's funny.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:23 p.m. CST

    eveelcapitalist has no clue about the market but

    by chiwrtr72

    he is an expert in swearing... which substitutes for a conservative's argument a lot of the time. Good job.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Pablumatic

    by eveelcapitalist

    "Radical Republican Paul Ryan"? Really? His "radical" budget plan doesn't even begin to balance the budget until the 2050s. The rest of his ideas are to basically screw anyone with the slightest bit of money out of Medicare and Social Security benefits. They like to call it "means testing". Wealth redistribution is what the left is all about, man. I think that would appeal to you folks. Had Paul Ryan had a "D" next to his name you'd be calling him the next great savior of humankind. I love it when know nothings call squishes like Ryan "radicals" because it demonstrates how little you really know.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:27 p.m. CST

    doughboy

    by chiwrtr72

    Bush outspent Obama if you look at actual spending and not just the official budget as a lot of the military spending for the 2 wars was off the books. However, even if you don't accept that simple fact take a moment to think about spending a trillion dollars in stimulus money here in the US versus spending a trillion dollars blowing things up overseas. Where is the money better spent? The TARP spending was the one good thing Bush II did. Obama expanded it.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Meh...the Elephant and the Mule are same damn political animal....

    by kenchun24

    ...it's all "scripted".They all speak bad about each other every four years publicly under the guise of Elephants and Mules,and then congratulate each other behind closed doors about how " successful" their time in office was. After setting themselves and their corporate cronies up for life by big gov legislation during their run...and it's just wash,rinse,repeat. Same smell different fart.Never happen in my lifetime but a 3rd political party would be nice,a party FOR the people...since elected politicians on every level are SUPPOSED to be servants to the public in the first place. BTW, can't wait until GOT final episode talkback Herc.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:31 p.m. CST

    As for Huntsman

    by eveelcapitalist

    Yeah, he was alright. Had the best record of the entire primary field. His tax reform plan certainly was pretty outstanding. His problem was he was a petulent little asshole. That he was also an Obama appointee (ambassador to China) made him look like a giant sell-out. His bizzare infatuation with China made people wonder which country he really wanted to govern.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:31 p.m. CST

    I call Paul Ryan a radical because he is. Why?

    by chiwrtr72

    He cuts no military spending despite the fact that the military makes up almost half of the budget. So no cuts are real cuts without including the military. He also does not increase taxes despite the fact that the independent committee said the budget cannot be balance without cuts AND tax increases. There you go.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:32 p.m. CST

    TO BE FAIR, OBAMA IS MY FAVORITE BLACK DRUG ABUSING GANG MEMBER

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    o wait - that hasn't come up yet?

  • May 31, 2012, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Obama could come out as pro life and anti gay tomorrow

    by proevad

    and you dumb fucks would still hate him. So drop the bullshit. He's smarter than you. He's more competent than you. He's blacker than you. That's why you hate him. You guys act like he ignored 911 warnings, let the guy who planned it go free, started a war with the wrong country and let an entire American city drown...oh wait that was your douchebag of a president. My bad.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:36 p.m. CST

    kenchun24, amen brother.

    by Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad

  • May 31, 2012, 10:38 p.m. CST

    eveelcapitalist

    by John C. Croker

    If your plan is to keep senior care for some because they hit the age lottery and screw the others because they're not in the proper voting demographic age range that is a radical plan and makes Ryan a radical Republican. Attempting to call it something else is denying reality. Conservatives do that a lot so I understand where you're coming from.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Fox "News"

    by Wotopian

    Roger Ailes, CEO of Fox "News" testifed, under oath that Fox had "no duty to the truth" It is not news, it is registered as entertainment. According to Ailes "there is journalistic reporting and there is opinion, OUR VIEWERS ARE INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THAT OUR BROADCASTS ARE THE LATTER". Not true for every viewer. I have friends that think Fox "News" is a credible source for the news. You can be intelligent and still be swayed into thinking that Fox "News" is actually news. Fox is nothing more than a destructive and fiendishly clever propaganda machine.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:40 p.m. CST

    kenchun24... Nice Points!

    by chiwrtr72

    A 3rd party is a nice idea but unrealistic in the current political system. What really needs to happen is term limits in the House and Senate (Ah, I remember when that was part of the GOP's Contract with America in 1994). Without term limits, we'll get more of the same from both parties. With term limits, maybe we'll even get a 3rd party.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Policy Spending: Bush vs. Obama

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Courtesy of the Congressional Budget Office and the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities: President Bush - FY 2002-2009: Defense, Afghanistan & Iraq Wars: $1,469 trillion Bush Tax Cuts: $1,812 trillion Non-defense Discretionary Spending: $608 billion TARP and Other Bailouts: $224 billion Medicare Drug Benefit: $180 billion 2008 Stimulus and Other Changes: $773 billion President Obama - FY 2009-2017 (including projections): Stimulus Spending: $711 billion Non-defense Discretionary Spending: $278 billion Stimulus Tax Cuts: $425 billion Health Reform and Entitlement Changes: $152 billion (Defense Savings: $126 billion) Total Cost of New Policies: President Bush: $5.07 trillion President Obama: $1.44 trillion

  • May 31, 2012, 10:46 p.m. CST

    re "The one that CBS itself distanced itself from?"

    by Hercules

    Can anyone provide a link to where CBS Moneywatch disavowed or corrected the "Annualized Growth in Real per Capita Government Spending" graph it posted (and I reposted)? As far as I can tell, no one -- not even Mitt Romney -- has taken issue with its accuracy. I'd also be interested to learn if any other news organization has taken issue with that CBS Moneywatch graph. (Maybe a rival news organization even posted a corrected version?) It's just not like CBS Moneywatch to pull data out of its ass. And I can't imagine that rival financial writers wouldn't call CBS Moneywatch out on its alleged fraud.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Read this if you're smart enough

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Since 9/11 the number of crimes committed daily by America's corporations & politicians has increased so dramatically that no one - & no single agency - is able to feel adequately informed. During this era of runaway mob scheming & proliferation I've read 25 & usually more serious news articles daily, which is the minimum number that must be examined & absorbed to enable more than a glimmer of the magnitude & scope of the criminality. In the early months of George W. Bush's institutionalization of Federal Government as Mob Operation it was apparent that the people of the nation were under the spell of a psychopathic cult leader who, unlike the usual religious con men - say, Jim Jones, David Koresh, L. Ron Hubbard, Ayn Rand or the convicted felon, Joseph Smith - had at his disposal & command the whole vast apparatus of the empire's instruments for social control, including the police, army, legal system, churches, news press & television media. And of course the oligarchs & their executives (Bush's peers by birthright) were anxious to steal all that they could while the taking was easy ... & very easy it became, & very easy it still is. Habeas corpus was taken away from us, as was posse comitatus. The Watergate criminal, ex-Admiral John Poindexter, was appointed to create Total Information Awareness, a DARPA program designed to spy on all citizens at all hours, which when public outcries arose against it was disbanded but instantly replaced here & there in various other government agencies, such as the CIA & NSA, in which agencies it grew like flies multiplying in a dung heap, as indeed it continues to do, most recently with drones supplied to local police forces, able to identify & track a milk carton from 60,000 feet above the earth. Again, under Mob Boss Bush, the capitalists joined in, & we became & are still spied upon by our telephone & internet servers, & banks, which collect & dispense the history of our once private individual activities & behaviors from birth to our death. Cameras serving police record our passage from Starbuck's to Sears. Like all people caught up in cults, we came to believe that all of this is as it must & should be, & we silently conform to it, as do trained dogs to their masters. The deep function of what has happened is this: The wages we receive & the taxes we pay must all be instantly given up to the superrich. Our physical health is a commodity owned by the superrich, not us. Likewise, our welfare is owned by the aristocrats, not by us. In a few short years, for instance, student debt was made to exceed the nation's credit card debt - our children, in other words, were sold into debt peonage, & this is enforced by new law that says the children must pay it even after filing bankruptcy, & even in old age by garnishment from Social Security income. And of course there has been & will be no let up in the quest of the superrich to own Social Security, which surely they will in the near future unless a people's government is somehow - repeat, somehow - created. As Thomas Frank has explained, a college graduate can no longer pursue his or her intellectual dream, such as becoming a teacher, artist or journalist committed to discovering & telling the truth, because student debt & laws enforcing payment compel immediate entrance into the empire's mainstream occupations, where the objectives to be pursued are the properties of others, not of oneself. Thus our children are now born into bonded servitude, for which on the whole wages are pitiful & increasingly buy little more than necessities. All great institutions in the empire assure us that all of this criminality is necessary for two reasons: One, immensely determined evil external & internal personages are out to destroy our country, & we must surrender all of our civil rights & wealth in order to survive; & Two, alas alas, our nation has no money, & so must sell all of the people's assets & public services to the superrich. Well ... please, the first reason does not survive the briefest review of its merit, & let me not bother anyone with further words about it. And the second reason is equally preposterous, because the United States prints its own money, & under Obama did so to the tune of two trillion dollars given by the Federal Reserve to its clients, the big banks (which naturally did not, have not & will not do anything socially responsible with it). No economist who is committed to an understanding not of capitalist dogma, but rather to the truth of what was very well learned during & consequent to previous severe economic demand crises, such as the one we are now in, believes that 'shrinking government' is anything other than a vicious, irresponsible policy devised by & for the sole benefit of aristocrat thieves & their sociopathic politicians. Economics, after all, is a science, & as such its method & conclusions are dependent upon the collection & interpretation of empirical data, not any of which does in fact or in the least support shrinking government during a demand crisis. Indeed, the only agency known to be capable of or potentially possessed of the will to end such crises is a nation's government. But all good sense is lost upon cultists, who will do anything to secure life in death, a clear clear E-meter reading, a galaxy to be an eternal god of with one's dead wife, morality in selfishness, up in down, straight in crooked, or - now - an American in Washington, DC (or in Dallas or Tombstone or any other city or town).

  • May 31, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST

    doughboy, seriously?

    by castor778

    You call out Herc for repeating the obvious Obama rhetoric, but then you yourself fall into the same anti-Obama BS. "Longest stretch of 8+% unemployment since the Great Depression"?!? What the fuck?!? Unemployment only dropped below 8% on one other occasion (1982) OUTSIDE OF THE GREAT DEPRESSION. That's about as pointless of a fucking statistic as you can possibly create. Just pathetic. "Gas prices doubled since Obama took office"?!? That's about the dumbest thing you could say - under Bush they rose to $4.21, stayed well above $3 a gallon for almost his entire 2nd term, and only dropped when the economy crashed. Seriously, go ahead and call out Herc because you disagree with him - but don't do it and then resort to spewing out just as much bullshit as he is, that's absolutely idiotic on every level.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Herc you are forgetting the strategy of the GOP is

    by chiwrtr72

    to repeat things until people think it's true. Like the lie that Obama spent more than all the previous presidents combined. I remember hearing that one a few months back. Ah, good times...

  • May 31, 2012, 10:52 p.m. CST

    The vid changed my mind

    by fan291

    At first I felt like many others, that Hercules was putting his own personal views into an article inappropriately. I shouldn't have scanned the talkbacks before watching the vid. As bad as Fox News is with extreme right wing bias, this takes the cake. How can anyone believe they are 'fair and balanced'?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGA0dIz9-Wk It's uncanny...

  • May 31, 2012, 10:59 p.m. CST

    There is no difference between Republicans and Democrats

    by Queefer Sutherland

    If you read my posting above, that is what I am saying. Sorry, I forgot to be more simple for those of you who actually think either party is working for us. I'm often a rude bastard here, but I'm really trying not to be now, because this is too important. It is imperative that you grasp this, because it is the truth. We're on our own, folks, now than ever. They WANT us to keep bickering like we're doing here. Washington D.C. is the new WWE, and we are the stupid fans cheering on our favorite wrestler, and we scream when they win and we curse the other guy, but you know what? They're both working for the same company. They just like to get us involved so we become distracted. You guys know this, right?

  • May 31, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST

    sauronthepowerful

    by Hercules

    then I guess my 401k doubled by magic over the last 3.5 years. Because it did double. I had so many dollars when Obama took over and today I have more than twice that many dollars. Or perhaps my portfolio increased by far more than 10 percent per year over the last 3.5 years, just as the Dow and S&P did. I guess that could explain it too.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST

    queefer sutherland

    by CodeName

    You hit the nail, man. There is absolutely no left, or right anymore. Both parties have been bought. It's amazing that some folks still think that there is still such a thing as Republicans and Democrats. We ARE on our own.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:08 p.m. CST

    queefer sutherland

    by proevad

    china called. it wants it's wall back. seriously, why you writing unibomber manifestos for god's sake. no one on here is gonna take the time to read that fucking thing. also--paragraphs are your friend.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:13 p.m. CST

    queefer sutherland, WWE is perfect example

    by Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad

    I used to compare it to the NFL and free agents, but your WWE comparison is way better.

  • I mean, that's the whole point of running a website, to draw traffic to it and keep it crowded. So to waste your time on this board to say how politics don't belong on this website and actually contribute to this very page, well... makes you a complete moron. While I'm sure Herc is satisfied to find those that actually agree with him, at the end of the day they're just happy to get this type of a talkback brewing that keeps their traffic way up.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Herc,

    by Stanley Ann Dunham

    I understand you hate fox news, Palin etc but the other channels and commentators on them are far worse in their obvious sided stories against conservatism. Journalists are a by gone species anymore, as they only show stories or slant such for their side of the political spectrum or ignore them completely if it doesn't fit their narrative of hate. Yes you have become hate peddlers as you constantly spew it with venom in your words. Where is the story on gendercide, Catholic Church suing for religious freedom, How about Brett Kimberlin and Neal Rauhauser's swatting and terrorising of conservative bloggers, the Fast and Furious scandal, How about the rush to judgement on Trayvonn Martin before facts are released, how about a story on why the Democratically controlled Senate has not obeyed the constitution and passed a budget for almost 4 years? We could go on. I am sure you have your sided stories against conservatives also, but your constant ramblings and misrepresenting on the economy are really disingenuous at best. Some facts are, it was not all Bush's fault for the economy, but started all the way back in the previous administration (Clinton's) and how they eased regulations for people who could not afford it to buy homes out of their capacity to pay for it all for election purposes. Regulations that many tried to warn about but made worse when Barney Frank and Chris Dodd got ahold of Fanny and Freddie Mac. Also a little thing called 9-11 happened, Democrats regained both Congress and Senate in '06 and proceeded to spend more cash like drunken sailors. Bush overspent as well, but NOT to the extent Obama has. Democrats have been in total control of the economy for 6 years now. 2 full years before Bush left office. As for your constant use of "my 401 k has doubled", until you post the actual screen shots or your account, all of it from when you started it, so it can be seen, I don't believe you. I think your lying to use it as a weapon to prove your right without actually proving it. Stick to entertainment reporting AICN and stop the partisan hack job hit pieces. Your embarassing yourselves.

  • ...the repeal of the 22nd amendment allowed Nixon to keep reelecting himself as PUSA for something like 5 terms (with warmonger Kissinger by his side no less) oh wait...there have been discussions of repealing the 22nd amendment.Scary... I know it's comic book mythos stuff I'm hinting at.But it really would not surprise me if that kind of scenario plays itself out sometime during my life. Kings and noble families who "serve" as long as they like instead of elected PUSA's,senators,governors.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:28 p.m. CST

    What the fuck is this?

    by Badger23

    How is this a story that needs to be reported here?

  • May 31, 2012, 11:31 p.m. CST

    celebritydave

    by Hercules

    I hereby forbid you from reading my column. I think you'll agree after all these years it is not for you. Kindly seek your TV news from the millions of other sites that cover it. Good day.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Dutchman

    by korbermeister

  • May 31, 2012, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Loki was right! People do long for someone to dominate them.

    by cookylamoo

  • May 31, 2012, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Dutchman

    by korbermeister

    btw, glad to see you're all growed up and i love your paint!

  • May 31, 2012, 11:38 p.m. CST

    proevad

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Yeah, sorry about the paragraphs. It was something I'd written elsewhere, and when I copied it into the AICN window, it formatted poorly and I was too lazy. I know I have to dumb it down here, so please see my later WWE analogy. Most people can understand that. I write more serious things for other venues, and promise I shall never paste one in here again.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:39 p.m. CST

    I know how to solve this! Ask Mr. K.E.R.N!!!

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    He'll know the answer. Even if he has to derail the show to find it! Damn. This TB needs an exorcism. Unclean beast! Get thee DOWN!! The Power of Carpet Cave compels you! The Power of Carpet Cave compels you! The Power of Carpet Cave compels you! The Power of Carpet Cave compels you! The Power of Carpet Ca... aw, fuck it.

  • May 31, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST

    kenchun24

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Oh, hey, normally I'm just as crude here, but there are times when something's really important to me, and I have to say it better than I usually say things here. This is too important not to know. Until more of us grasp the gravity of the situation, the real subterfuge behind it all, we're doomed. But I'll just be dismissed as a whacko, a manifesto writer, a conspiracy theorist, by those too ignorant, or too frightened to see the puppeteers.

  • June 1, 2012, midnight CST

    "There is no difference between Republicans and Democrats"

    by Hercules

    I believe the Democrats passed ObamaCare, providing health insurance for millions of Americans who previously had no access. The Republicans, if I'm not mistaken, prefer to repeal ObamaCare, an act that would affect those same millions. Also one candidate is pro-choice; the other not so much. That could potentially affect a few women of child-bearing age I guess.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:02 a.m. CST

    sorry typing on an iPad and the touch screen is jacked up...

    by kenchun24

  • June 1, 2012, 12:04 a.m. CST

    fuck your 401k

    by fnordoom

    Those of us living in the real world who live month to month on shitty paychecks because we were not afforded the opportunity to come from good families, good neighborhoods or even go to ANY school are still eating shit everyday regardless of how much your fucking 401k has doubled. What a typical liberal douchebag comment. Obama is a racist pretentious fake douchebag asshole. Get off of his dick just for one minute and look at what he has done for the parts of the population that would not be well off regardless of who the stupid fucking president was. He has done NOTHING. People who were poor are still poor and are getting poorer everyday. Herc, do you even know any poor people? People who can only afford the bare essentials for them and their people? And i mean KNOW them, not gave one a dollar on the train that one time. Anyway, that isnt even the real issue here. I've been coming to this site for 10 years now (originally to get spoiler news on attack of the clones for christ sakes). I used to like it. I was never a fan of Harry or his writing but it was a decent site to find out about cool movie related shit but in the last 2 or 3 years it's just been feeling like some bullshit agenda pushing CORPORATE website. It's basically the liberal geek version of what you think foxnews is. Just give me cool news. You are not important. Your opinions don't mean shit and even if they did mean something, even if you were some qualified person, this still would not be the forum for this shit. It's like going to a hooker for a blowjob but she just wants to read a newspaper to you or something. Fuck bitch just blow me, just tell me whose boobies we'll see next week on GOT or which 80s movie is being remade by globo-film. That is what you do well. Your opinions are not interesting or compelling enough to matter to anyone coming to a fucking website to find out about geek shit. You know when people would post a review from a test screening on here and the TB'ers would cry out PLANT? This site has now become the plant. Everything that is not just un-opinionated, unbiased fact or "scoop" reporting (which is few and far between on here now) feels illegitimate. Feels like someone is trying to sell me something. I only come here now out of mere habit and i feel like a fucking dickhead everytime i do it.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:05 a.m. CST

    NAZIS!!!!!

    by Mr. Giant

    Just wanted to say it.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:07 a.m. CST

    hercules

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Hercules, your naivete is hanging out of your shorts. ObamaCare is a Bandaid® on a giant gaping wound. It is an appeasement to the rabid fans on the "Democrat" side. It gets the "Republicans" all worked up and we fight about, ignoring the great horror behind the curtains. If you're just going to puke out the party line hot button issues and talking points, you're doing this venue in injustice. Instead of trying to get us riled up and fighting each other, you should be helping to expose the lie. You've been suckered, my friend, along with the majority.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:09 a.m. CST

    kenchun24

    by Queefer Sutherland

    And while the sides fight, ruin comes rumbling our way, and nothing is done about it. Humans never avert a disaster. History has shown us that. We'd rather let things fall apart and rebuild. Problem with that is that a LOT of people have to suffer in the process.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Hercules...Read the CBS Marketwatch Article again

    by MasterControlProgram

    ..and you will see that Nutting, the author of the piece, reached his spending numbers by attributing the $825 Billion stimulus package to George W. Bush. That is factually incorrect. Bush signed the first TARP to keep the banks alive. That was all he did. Obama signed the 825 billion dollar stimulus package. So if you take that $825 billion off his plate then his spending is lower. Unfortunately, you can NOT take that off Obama's plate because he signed the stimulus package.... And currently we have only used 40% of that package, and that 40% went to Union workers as part of a slush fund to take care of them, an nobody else in the private sector. You really need to do your research if you are going to try to talk the talk. -- End of Line --

  • June 1, 2012, 12:10 a.m. CST

    false

    by aicnball

    again that so-called drop in spending, is a mirage, because his 830 billion dollar stimulus he puts that under bush, really a stretch, and oh yeah doesn't include tarp 2, the first home refinance, cash for clunkers none of that is included

  • June 1, 2012, 12:11 a.m. CST

    kenchun24 - That's what keeps me awake at night

    by Queefer Sutherland

  • June 1, 2012, 12:17 a.m. CST

    THE ONLY GOOD THING TO COME OUT OF OBAMA'S TENURE WAS LINSANITY

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    That kid can ball! GO KNICKS!

  • June 1, 2012, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Gotta to to bed now, must be up in 6 hours.

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Would love to stick around, for the first time in a long time. While it's fun to argue about Avengers vs. Batman, I sometimes have to remember the more frightening stuff in the world, and shriek about it. It's nice to see that some of you agree with me. Not enough, though. And we will all be eaten when the world becomes Mad Max, and gasoline and canned goods become currency...

  • June 1, 2012, 12:20 a.m. CST

    amadeo zeller

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Jesus, it's far more complex than that. From where the hell did you infer that? Go blow your hermaphrodite grandmother you simpleton. Heh, that felt good. NOW I know I'm on AICN.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:23 a.m. CST

    I agree with the topic but not for this site imo

    by strykebr

    I LOVE politics but I don't discuss that or religion with people because I still want to somehow like people. I do not come here for political news I go to drudge or a r/politics.....just imho

  • June 1, 2012, 12:27 a.m. CST

    IS AICN OWNED BY MSNBC?

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    Fuck is this shit?

  • He wouldn't stop bragging right now if Obama were his son, because Obama is a President in the mold of Bush Sr.

  • ...or something like that. BTW, this thread (posted by Herc at 4:30 pm) has almost as many posts as the Prometheus Has Landed thread in only 6 hours.Pro Landing has been up here for a couple of days now...

  • June 1, 2012, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Fair and Balanced Reporting on AICN

    by Andrew

    Since people are asking, can you guys please also no longer share your opinions on movies or tv shows or whatever, Herc? We don't need to know if you like them, your personal opinions matter not here! How dare AICN tell us what they think of things!

  • June 1, 2012, 12:59 a.m. CST

    I'm a registered Reblican and Fox News disgusts me.

    by Playkins

    And I want to hate-fuck Nancy Grace.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:14 a.m. CST

    love seeing Herc speaking up

    by chad kuhns

    You've pretty much murdered severalthread posters in this thread. Cheers for having balls. More of THEAICN staff would do well to follow suit.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:16 a.m. CST

    by mandelbrot

    Here's an analogy that most on this board will understand: Gandalf is a Republican and the Balrog is a Democrat. They would rather take each other down in flames than let each other win. It doesn't matter that they both had the same goal: to eat hobbits. Wait...that's not right....

  • He told me, realistically the market should be at (or around) 8,000...At its' current level, it's overly inflated. (Probably due to false sales/earning projections).

  • June 1, 2012, 1:22 a.m. CST

    mastercontrolprogram

    by gotilk

    YOU need to do your research in more places than TV attack ads. You're stating that 40% of the stimulus went to union slush funds, and that we've only used 40% of the stimulus. That's an absolute LIE, bold-faced, inaccurate and made of total and utter bullshit. No offense. But this is what happens when you accuse others of not doing their research. Bring it. You were lied to. So here we go. Don't clench up, it just makes it hurt worse. .... I suppose you believe that we invested 1.2 billion in building a plant in Mexico for a solar company as well. (we didn't, the company already owns one in Mexico, but that was before the stimulus and had NOTHING to do with it) It would be like saying that you loaned me 1000 bucks in August, and since I purchased 1000 dollars in weed in June, you made the weed purchase. Idiotic. Sneaky, and FAR beyond weasel bullshit. It's just lies, pure and simple. But people like you buy it. How about that ad that says *Obama spent your tax money to build traffic lights in China!!! OMGWFTBBQ???!!!* LIE!!! It was actually energy efficiency grants to America’s state and local governments so they can buy and install new street and traffic lights. Many of those lights contained foreign parts, with only SOME from China. But the ad says TAX MONEY TO BUILD TRAFFIC LIGHTS IN CHINA! Not the truth, which is.... umm... some of the parts that made these new traffic lights were made in China. The ad makes it sound like we threw a bag of gold at some company in China to build our traffic lights. POPPYCOCK! Or maybe you heard about the one that states....*Half a billion in tax credits/loans were given to an electric car company that created hundreds of jobs in Finland.* That one is just WAY beyond a lie. And the original thing they're talking about was a program that Bush initiated for an AMERICAN car company called Fisker Motors. And it was loans that so far have only amounted to 190 million. NOT half a billion..In LOANS. And it had NOTHING to do with the stimulus, which they claim. And it was a BUSH program approved later by Obama. How about this one? This one is popular with the Myna birds out there these days: *President Obama wasted $34 billion on risky investments. The result? Failure.* The Energy Department (Dept of Energy) committed $34.7 billion in low-interest loans to nearly 40 green projects. Two companies that got such loans...ONE of them Solyndra... filed for bankruptcy. The government could lose as much as $578 million on those two deals. OOOOH!! That's HORRIBLE, right??? That’s less than 2 percent of the total program. 2 percent loss isn't exactly a failure, IDIOTS WHO WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING!!! And these same idiots seem to get some kind of a hard on that resembles something more like an engorged clitoris, really, when the name Solyndra comes up. And even then, how would you feel if you were an up and coming solar company competing with a government (China) who is willing to sell panels and parts at EXTREME losses in order to undercut American and other country's companies??? DAMN fucking right we should be giving loans to these new solar energy companies. In my eyes, refusing it or blocking it from happening politically in this economy would be tantamount to treason. YOU do your research, you pompous, arrogant shithead. END OV LAIHN!!! (said in Corky voice)

  • June 1, 2012, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Yeah, no-one cares about this stuf...

    by gotilk

    378 posts later. Ahahhahahah!!

  • cause republicans don't care about people - they only care about profits. not that the Democrats are much better - but they are at least slightly better.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:30 a.m. CST

    I'm sorry if that was over the top, or insulting.

    by gotilk

    But sometimes arrogance must be met with aggression. Especially when that arrogance is backed up with total lies. I'm sure he's probably someone I'd like, or get along with. But that's not where we are, is it? This isn't a backyard dinner party. This is the kind of place where we get to vent. And I think it's healthy. But we also have to start getting tough with the people who associate with us, who identify as progressives and do stupid crap like soda pop laws. Those people need to be taken to task for that crap. That friendly fascism part of liberalism/progressives. They are the bane of real progress.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:32 a.m. CST

    journalist? Herc? bawhahahahahaha!

    by p0llk4t

    ...wow that's rich...so posting ratings, you tube videos, graphs and rehashing news and info from other sites makes you a journalist? ...you've NEVER posted even one original thought or idea and you consider yourself a professional journalist...damn I laughed hard when I read that... ...once again Herc shows he's a troll extraordinaire...is there any doubt Herc gets paid on hits to his posts... ...you're a mediocre blogger at best Herc and a true idiot... ...to really believe that your 401k value is an indicator of the strength of the economy you have to be really, really, really, really dumb...

  • June 1, 2012, 1:33 a.m. CST

    sauronthepowerful

    by Hercules

    As the chart above illustrates, the Dow Jones fell from over 14000 in July 2007 (five years ago, not 3.5) to 7949. That was during the administration of George W. Bush, the president who preceded Barack Obama. In the 3.5 years since Obama took office in January 2009, the Dow has risen from 7949 to 12393. Cha-ching.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:39 a.m. CST

    The Irony of Bush and Obama Haters

    by wrath 4771

    W and Obama have the same policies. Obama's foreign policy has always just been a continuation of the Bush era - except twice as many drone strikes. There is more drilling for oil in America now than there has been at any other time in history. Both have increased the size of the role federal government plays in our daily lives. Both spent money like they were making it rain. Obama's administration hasn't prosecuted a single person from Wall Street over the '08 collapse - something Republicans wanted. Hawks complain that Obama is soft on defense because we're leaving Afghanistan - let's not let the fact that W is the one who signed off on leaving get in the way of a good story. It's like Bill Maher said, "How can Republicans hate Obama, when I'm not happy with him either."

  • June 1, 2012, 1:43 a.m. CST

    huh?

    by Chairman_Kaga

    "Obama's administration hasn't prosecuted a single person from Wall Street over the '08 collapse - something Republicans wanted." I realize everyone has dropped the ball on this but who were these mythic Republicans calling for prosecutions?

  • June 1, 2012, 1:43 a.m. CST

    Universal Health Care

    by wrath 4771

    I'll be the first to say it's a terrible thing that we don't have universal health care - lord knows I could have used it last Fall - but realistically, how could we ever afford to provide health care for almost 350 million Americans? In my mind taxes would have to be jacked up (not going to happen) and oher social programs would hahve to be elliminated (also not going to happen).

  • June 1, 2012, 1:54 a.m. CST

    slayme

    by gotilk

    Pretty much. I wouldn't say they don't care about people. They simply have convinced themselves that... a. The rich are rich because they worked hard for it. And it has NOTHING to do with the masses that purchased their products, or their services. b. If people get sick and they cannot afford care, they should have been more frugal and prepared better for the future. As if there are not actual LAWS and regulations in place to prevent people from living more frugal and realistic, smaller lifestyles. It's all about saving for the big house and having 2.5 children. Or renting at rates that are suspiciously based upon taking JUST the right percentage of the average person's monthly wages. Go ahead and try to live single past the age of say... 24...without roommates, with your average 9 to 5 job and save up for emergencies. Not everyone can be the winner. Some people simply statistically MUST live average lives. And if they didn't, it would not be sustainable. A world of all winners doesn't get the trash picked up, does it? Yet these people who choose to work for a living are treated still with a kind of disdain. Looked down upon, treated like they feel entitled to something. And when they show up to things like the occupy protests, they're called hippies, freeloaders, etc. c. The reason health care is so expensive is because those poor pharmaceutical companies, medical device manufacturers and medical service providers/doctors are just over regulated!! If they could just get that pesky government off their backs everything would be cheap again. They wouldn't keep prices artificially inflated to maintain constant growth for shareholders!!! NEVER!!! They're in business to help people! Haven't they proven that already?? You must have seen their commercials with attractive , healthy old people playing cricket and fishing, and the 5 families they show. 1 Asian family. 1 African American family. 1 white family. 1 Hispanic family. 1 single mom with 2 kids. TOTALLY NOT planned. You can trust 'em. Honest. No-one should have EVER allowed the public health to be in the hands of ANY publicly traded company that answers to investors. What are the 5 best reform health care companies to invest in?? Well, first research how many people are being allowed to suffer and die in pain, then find out which insurance they have. BINGO!!! d. They're smart.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:54 a.m. CST

    thegoblinknightlex

    by gotilk

    LOL!!!

  • June 1, 2012, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Pa-thetic pandering for hits.

    by Chief Joseph

    Seriously guys? Are you going to start this shit up again like you did 4 years ago? Like Harry wishing that people all over the world could vote Barack Obama in as US President..? Jesus Christ, I voted for Obama and even I was nauseous from all the hype. PEOPLE DON'T COME HERE FOR THIS!!!

  • June 1, 2012, 2:06 a.m. CST

    wrath 4771

    by gotilk

    I would agree, except that we already do provide treat and dump universal health care, and it hasn't buried the country yet. We treat people's symptoms, and in many cases provide end stage care to people free of charge already. Dialysis alone already costs somewhere between 20 and 30 grand a month per patient (another thing that must be dealt with HARSHLY... the artificially inflated costs of certain procedures and services) and the government pays for it for most patients without income, or on fixed income. For people with general problems who don't have money, the hospitals treat them anyway and they are bombarded with basic illnesses that should have been treated by a general practitioner. Society already swallows those costs. Universal coverage is not the gaping money pit people would like to make it out to be. There will be huge profits. There will be gigantic savings. There will be improvements in general health, saving even more in the long term. And it will do the public health and safety much more good than a LOT of the programs out there that could be cut and WILL be cut as a result. I also wouldn't agree that raising taxes will not happen. I think it will, and I think it will be to pay for universal health coverage. But we'll see. It won't happen in the next 10-15 years. No way. I try to remain optimistic about it.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:07 a.m. CST

    Oh shit, coughlins laws is back!

    by BadMrWonka

    I can't even begin to wade into the knee deep nonsense in this talkback, but I will say two things: 1. If you don't like political discussion on AICN, don't click on these articles, read them, read the talkback, then write something and post it...and then read the responses...and then respond again...and repeat over and over again. No one is holding a gun to your head. Hey, guess what I don't like? Anime! Guess what I do when there's an article about anime on AICN? I skip it. That's what an adult with willpower and a lack of mouth diarrhea does. Grow up, kiddos. 2. Seriously, any of you guys remember coughlins laws crazy rantings before the last election? He was absolutely convinced Obama was going to not only lose, but lose in a landslide. He was convinced of this up until ELECTION NIGHT. He was going on and on about the liberal media distorting facts, etc. etc. I kept trying to get him to bet money, but of course he begged off. We were all trying to get him to promise to show up in the talkback the morning after the election to eat crow, but I don't remember if he ever did. Of course, he's so delusional, I'm sure he would be able to convince himself he was right, and Obama lost in a landslide after all...honestly, he's almost that nuts. Ask him about other conspiracy theory stuff, too, it's fucking priceless.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:09 a.m. CST

    PEOPLE DON'T COME HERE FOR THIS!!!

    by gotilk

    again.... 378 posts later. ROFLMAO!!! Remember the guy that said *NOBODY CARES ABOUT THIS, DUMBASS!*? Yeah... that was a while back. Remember that? Here, in this talkback? *sigh* Memories......

  • June 1, 2012, 2:15 a.m. CST

    what badmrwonka said

    by Hercules

    The people who claim to disdain any post with a hint of politics are the ones who keep returning to these posts obsessively and repeatedly. "This is not the kind of post I come to Ain't It Cool for over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again." I mean it's not like we had to delete six Prometheus posts to make room for this one eyebrow-raising story about "Fox and Friends." If you don't want to talk about Fox News, go look at the "Frankenweenie" poster. Ain't It Cool has something for everyone.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Herc, You are a Great American!

    by Chairman_Kaga

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMuE47Zp2hY

  • June 1, 2012, 2:23 a.m. CST

    the fact is..

    by red_eddie

    IF YOURE VOTING FOR MITT ROMNEY OR ANY REPUBLICAN AND YOURE IN THE MIDDLE CLASS..YOURE JUST FUCKING YOURESELF IN THE ASS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER....

  • the only reasons we don't have medicare for all in this country is because enough voters have it in our heads that quality of health care is lost if there is no profit motive for those providing health care. despite the fact that most of those voters are on medicare and couldn't afford any health care with out it.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:29 a.m. CST

    ..AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

    by red_eddie

    Why in the fuck would any middle class to poor citizen or anyone who is not white vote republican. Face it, the republican party was founded on racism, and still is racist. For what exactly? over an invisible American dream? Ay..lost people. Not saying the Democrat party is holy either..but definately the lesser of two evils

  • June 1, 2012, 2:47 a.m. CST

    What I've always thought was interesting

    by sharpie

    Was that a plan that was essentially Obamacare was proposed and pushed by the Repubs in the ~20 years leading up to 2008, but then as soon as we have a Democratic president that signs his name to it, every conservative wants to come out of the woodwork talking about how terrible it is. Huh, funny how that works. Almost makes you think that some people don't care about the side effects, they just don't want to see the other team win.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Also

    by sharpie

    When I dropped cable and got Hulu, I thought I wouldn't have to deal with these fucking attack ads everywhere, but now every other commercial is from a superPAC

  • You know this Progressive wish-list shit is coming to America if Obama is re-elected and gets to pick the next few Supreme Court justices and continue to control the Justice dept. "Freedom of speech" will be defined down to only that which doesn't "incite hatred", meaning that almost every legitimate political subject more controversial than tax rates and will be criminalized(as they are in Britain today). Want to debate immigration from the "wrong" side? 60 DAYS IN JAIL. Don't like affirmative action? 60 DAYS IN JAIL. Read the "progressive" posts in this thread and tell me these folks don't get raging hard ons thinking about that sort of raw, Brit-style ideological bullying. Holy fuck will the average sleepwalking American be screaming mad about being told what they can say on the internet, but nobody will ever think to connect it to voting for Barry McSocialist ten years earlier which empowered the insane 20% Progressive population of the country.

  • June 1, 2012, 3:15 a.m. CST

    How many of the un and under-insured are illegal or recent immigrants?

    by Darth_Inedible

    It's over 60 percent of the total. Look it up. Want to make Sweden's vaunted Healthcare system look awful? Dump 20 million South Americans into the country in 10 years. America is a huge unique country in that it takes in more "tired, hungry" people than any other nation on Earth. The consequence to this unique generosity is that our social safety net is uniquely strained. Unlimited immigration combined with unlimited social benefits is obviously a recipe for disaster, but the hard Progressives instinctively understand that generating disaster, crisis and social chaos is the only way to their CHANGE FORWARD bullshit. Take one look at the smirking progs like Rahm, Holder, Jarret or Droopy McMustache and tell me otherwise.

  • June 1, 2012, 3:18 a.m. CST

    AICN is not the right forum for this type of story

    by MoshMasterD

    This is about entertainment ONLY! If you want to go left wing political, then start Ain't It Cool Politics.

  • June 1, 2012, 3:20 a.m. CST

    I didn't read the entire TB but I have a Question...

    by UltimaRex

    Q: What's the alternative? McCain with the Second Great Depression? Or maybe Romney the guy who lost the nom to McCain last time? You can like or dislike Obama but that question remains. Is there actually going to be an alternative come voting day? I say no. Four more years.

  • June 1, 2012, 3:26 a.m. CST

    darth_inedible

    by gotilk

    The left MUST take responsibility for the nutbag friendly fascists in our midst. We MUST! Because bullshit like that is what is fueling the fires of people who would love for other people to think that insane shit like that and that soda pop law thing are what defines progressive views. POPPYCOCK! You may see people defining the right by way of clinic bombings and the Phelps family.... and that's also bullshit. But what you're doing is EXACTLY what those people do when they define the right by way of the extremists in their midst. In other words, you're wrong..... AND you're buying into bullshit spread by extremist in YOUR midst. That shit earlier on here about 40 percent of the stimulus going to unions came STRAIGHT from the Limbaugh horse's mouth. DIRECTLY. And it's an absolute fabrication and a lie.

  • June 1, 2012, 3:28 a.m. CST

    miss piggy said it best.

    by hazelam

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8YhED4IgQA

  • Liberals are not for censorship, never have been, never will be. There are factions that feel like *free speech has its limits*, but the MAJORITY of leftists are against that friendly fascism bullshit. And.... the real kicker is.... A LOT of the people saying it, actually know it isn't true. There are people like radio hosts that tell people to spread that bullshit, even though they know its a lie. Just because Tipper Gore (an embarrassment to the left) was a pro-censorship asshole doesn't mean that's the way we all think. It's a load of crap, and you know it. If you can't win without lying, you can't win period.

  • June 1, 2012, 3:34 a.m. CST

    FOX Pulled the Spot Because...

    by Apocalypse_Pooh

    ...it was roundly criticized and FOX might have even fired the spot's producer. From Deadline: "Fox News was quick to distance itself from the widely criticized video...The network released a statement saying the segment “was not authorized at the senior executive level of the network” and “this has been addressed with the show’s producers.” It is unknown whether White is actually still working at FNC. A Fox News spokesperson did not return Deadline’s requests for comment." So there you have it. No conspiracy, just a poorly-produced spot from a guy who may not even be working for FOX anymore. And by the way, I also think partisan horsecrap articles like this have no place on AICN. Hell, I don't even think *thoughtful* political articles belong on AICN. Yes, Fox and Friends is on TV -- so is porn, so is bow hunting, so is religious programming, and I don't want to read about those, either.

  • June 1, 2012, 3:42 a.m. CST

    frankenollie

    by gotilk

    then don't. It's not rocket science. And the numbers say you're in the minority. Is there anything else you don't like that you'd like AICN not to cover or write about? I'm sure they'll get right on it. Especially if everyone but you loves it.

  • June 1, 2012, 3:44 a.m. CST

    And think about this for a moment... it's hilarious.

    by gotilk

    The same people who would cry *Obama will take away all your rights and censor your Internets and put you in jail for saying stuff he doesn't like!!!!* Will come here and say..... *I don't like this, so it shouldn't be on AICN!* Writes itself.

  • June 1, 2012, 3:44 a.m. CST

    ...and IS typical.

    by gotilk

    .

  • June 1, 2012, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Chairman_Kaga

    by Dan

    Can we get this guy an award or something? He not only totally called it, but set me up to actually enjoy what tends to depress the hell out of me. Thanks, dude!

  • Otherwise, they don't care if you live in the streets...This administration is looking to fleece the rest of American manufacturing and defense for the sake of foreign interests, for the privvilleged lifestyles they flaunt ..And you damn well know this administration rewards it's lackeys...It's not hard to adjust the figures in your favor through investment "portfolios"...It's a just a few mouse clicks these days...(Thus all you lackeys are fawning all over "Joss Wheadon"...It is part of your investment portfolios)..You fail to mention this adminstration is the one that kowtowed and failed to call china a "currency manipulator" (china "is"..When you can buy a BMW at 1/3 the price Americans would have to pay..1/3 the price just so some sleazy chinese guy or woman can act more "powerful" in a 15 year old mindset..That is currency manipulation...and when you use national policies to maintain that rate on foreign goods..That's hostility) ....This is the adminstration that turned a blind eye to North Korea's outright terrorism....This adminstration is complicit in basically killing a lot of Arabs for the sake of Israelites (which by the way ARE Arabs and have been infighting for centuries now)..and this is the adminstration that is cutting back on defense budgets when the USA is vulnerable (after blowing a great deal of resources fighting one arab's distastes for the other) ..This is also the administration that figures it will take all the American cultural icongraphy and "re boot" themselves in china..Selling off all of that American cultural investment to a country that is clearly engaged in a cultural war with the USA ..(I am in china and it was only a matter of time before my blogging was hindered..I get shunned here..They think of all kinds of ways to harrass me in my daily life here as I go about my business...)...This is also an adminstration heavily invested in facebook..Just think of all the Americans who signed up for facebook..All of their identites and what they thought was going to be their private, protected information...Well now, IT'S FOR SALE!..And I know of at least a million chinese who are dying to buy an American's identity for their own kids... Entertainment is crap when it comes to infrastructure and this adminstration has been full of symbolisim without substance... One thing I've learned growing up to be an adult American, is how hard it is to maintain your own decisions and rationales in life, especially in the advent of new media.....But that is what being an adult is all about..Making your own decisions without agendas or outside influences (even if it means getting laid) making those decisions their own ...As you get older, I have found you become more and more aware of those influences trying to dictate your decision making process..If it means skiipping the big game .....I do so..If it means skipping the beer after my hard earned day..I do so..If it means skipping the latest blockbuster..I do so...It is more imortant to me to have clarity in my decision making process...To be my own boss....I don't know Mr. hercules if you make money from this site...but if you do, it is to advertise product...To shill it....Most of the people here do what you do for free...To say it has worked out for you is no enviable claim to me...To me there is a bigger picture, when it comes to the world and politics than the little one your sponsors have profited from...And that bigger picture ain't cool.

  • June 1, 2012, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Obama called NAZI death camps POLISH death camps

    by centilope

  • June 1, 2012, 5:16 a.m. CST

    kilgoretrout912 is obviously a liberal douche bag

    by DamianVonBarone

    douche!

  • June 1, 2012, 5:19 a.m. CST

    Wow! Really Herc?

    by theBigE

    I'm a pretty calm TB'er, I don't call others "Republicunts" or "Libretards" like half of those here, but I'll admit I'm a conservative, married to a liberal, who votes his conscience (never done straight ticket voting, unlike my other half I'll point out.) <p> But you said, direct quote: May 31, 2012 7:03:42 PM CDT ccchhhrrriiisssmredux by hercules "if you can find or supply ratings for Maddow's show, I'd be happy to include them. Anecdotal evidence suggests her ratings continue to grow, beating Piers Morgan and catching up to Bill O'Reilly." I then supplied an easily found link to cable news ratings, showing that Rachel Maddow's ratings this week are NOWHERE near O'Reilly's, just factual reporting, and you threaten me with this: May 31, 2012 10:12:14 PM CDT re "Rachel Maddow is NOT anywhere close to O'Reilly's numbers, as you claim." by hercules "When did I say Maddow was close to O'Reilly? I swear to Christ, the next talkbacker I catch misquoting me is not going to be a talkbacker a great deal longer. Can anyone find Maddow's numbers in adults 18-49?" Uh, you said it 3 hours earlier!!!! I never misquoted you, as you can see above, and you're threatening me? With a ban?

  • June 1, 2012, 5:33 a.m. CST

    re: Can anyone find Maddow's numbers in adults 18-49?

    by theBigE

    Herc, I posted a link to zap2it, as did chrisssswhatever, and it shows in viewers 25-54 Maddow is closer to O'Reilly, but still about half the viewership. She even trails that buffoon Hannity, who airs at the same time, in viewers 25-54. But I'm sure your "anecdotal" evidence trumps those numbers, right? I'm no fan of Hannity, I like at times what O'Reilly says but not how he says it, and Maddow has her good points, but please don't misrepresent facts then threaten others when your mistakes are calmly pointed out. I know you won't apologize, so I'm not hanging around here for one! Have a great day! PS - not sure how you're investing your 401K, but my 403b (minus my OWN contributions) has increased less than 10% in the past four years.

  • No one fucking watches MSNBC except for people that want to bitch about them!

  • This made me laugh out loud. Gotta love a website author with a sense of self-awareness. Even if said author enjoys throwing chum in the water and then beating off self-righteously to the confused sharks.

  • June 1, 2012, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Herc is wrecking the haters!

    by oaser

    I agree, I'm not one for political posts because I hate the partisanship that comes along with them, but I am for being open minded and hearing both sides of a story. But Herc knows his shit, and he is TROMPING those of you who have disagreed with him. Well done, Sir. I now await the inevitable posts about how I'm an idiot, live in my parent's basement, or have never seen a vagina. Or all three for those who are really angry.

  • Editors and fellow reporters of mine would go on rants in the newsroom about how much they despised Republicans, but, when I called them on it, they would claim they could be totally objective (they couldn't). My editor and city editor congratulated one another in 2006 when the Democrats retook Congress. Another editor referred to the Tea Party as "Nazi Scumbags." Fellow reporters joined pro-communist and socialist groups on their Facebook pages.....and this was about three-four newspapers altogether. As for the national media, the liberal bias is obvious to everybody but liberals, none of whom know any conservatives personally, and all of whom assume that everybody who isn't as liberal as them must be a Holocaust denying fascist. The examples of liberal media bias are too plentiful to list. Visit Newsbusters.org every day for only the latest batch. Meanwhile, this story about FOX, if true, is indefensible......but MSNBC does stuff equally indefensible in favor of the left, and the AICN guys never post articles about it. Could it be that AICN has a liberal bias too?

  • June 1, 2012, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Give Herc a Break guys!

    by Daimos

    This is america where you can believe anything you want,and you can speak your mind without fear of being silenced by your govt.I think Herc is wrong on many counts but thanks to our great system here he can be naive and peddle any foolishness he wants! I think Fox News Is Right wing...so what? The left has ABC CBS NBC CNN MSNBC New York Times WASH Post and many others,I think it is great personally that there are Many Choices when it comes to news and information.I do find it amusing when libs attack Fox Though,they whine and complain on the bias but can't see the bias in their own news sources..their sacred cows. On Obama:Workforce has Declined under him net loss of american workers,Fast and Furious gun scandle running arms to drug dealers in Mexico,Deficit From 10 Trillion to 15 Trillion in 3 1/2 years,those are facts.Try and dispute em but the cold hard numbers don't lie,and the cold dead victims in Mexico from guns he let walk don't lay easy in their graves either. He's a nice guy,but incompetent,time to take out the QB and send a Fresh one in to try,if It doesn't work we can do it again in 4 years.

  • June 1, 2012, 6:46 a.m. CST

    All facts aside...

    by Gunslinger1919

    The Fox ad is reminiscent of this ad that famously ran in 1988 :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvmAa1cYZK4

  • June 1, 2012, 6:50 a.m. CST

    What is the mechanism by which Dear Leader

    by brobdingnag

    "Fixed" the economy? What did he do to create private sector job growth? What legislation caused this?

  • June 1, 2012, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Proof that NBC/MSNBC did the same thing

    by BoyNamedSue

    http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/05/31/nbc-and-chris-matthews-created-anti-romney-movie-february-no-media-ou

  • June 1, 2012, 7:07 a.m. CST

    SAY WHAT YOU WILL ABOUT BUSH BUT AT LEAST HE KEPT FACE EATING CANNIBALS IN CHECK

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

  • June 1, 2012, 7:10 a.m. CST

    POLISH DEATH CAMPS AND IMAGINARY SONS WHO LOOK LIKE TRAYVON MARTIN

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    Who voted for this clown?

  • Because neither once gets the vampire insurance industry out of the equation.

  • But hey, we could have tried harder, too.

  • June 1, 2012, 7:20 a.m. CST

    MOOSEMALLOY

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    +1

  • June 1, 2012, 7:32 a.m. CST

    OBAMACARE: WRITTEN BY BIG PHARMA AND BLATANTLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    It can't be repealed fast enough.

  • June 1, 2012, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Obama is a Long legged, Mack Daddy!!

    by Jay Garrick

    Now that I've gotten that off my chest. I was an early fan and supporter of Obama in 2008....but I WON'T be fooled again. He has been an utter disaster and this time I'm voting for Romney as are MANY of my fellow Democrat friends. We believed in the Democratic party of JFK and Bill Clinton...but not the current one of Barry Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank. We're not leaving the Democratic Party. The Democratic party left US.

  • June 1, 2012, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Proof that MSNBC/NBC did the same thing

    by BoyNamedSue

    http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/05/31/nbc-and-chris-matthews-created-anti-romney-movie-february-no-media-ou

  • June 1, 2012, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Unemployment just went up to 8.2% this morning

    by steve

    Fox News will jazz all over that stat today

  • Oh...wait...look at all the people on here....wow...I guess it's because Herc's political posts always generate hits...never mind, carry on :-)

  • June 1, 2012, 7:52 a.m. CST

    We're completely screwed with no hope for the future.

    by cookylamoo

    Corporations have taken over the earth, and they have no compassion and no love for anything but power and money.

  • Search your feelings pissants, you know it to be true.

  • June 1, 2012, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Modern Government only exists to put people in jail.

    by cookylamoo

    Putting people away is just another way to make money.

  • June 1, 2012, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Mind boggling Herc! That's all you can say Mind boggling

    by Wcwlkr

    It's completely mind boggling how insane right-wing repubs can be. All whilst bitching about how Obama is ruining this country. You sat idly by as W. fucked you up the ass repeatedly with no vasaline. Those tax cuts that you sing and dance about in the streets weren't for you. The majority of that went to the richest 1%. Yet all while he was cutting taxing he refused to cut the spending. I don't know but in my house when I'm bringing in less money I don't tend to spend more money. Uh that's just called common fucking sense. But never mind that Obama wants to raises my taxes, if you make over $250,000 then yes your taxes are going up. But I forgot the majority of this talk back is made up of would be CEOs and fortune 500 millionaires so I understand your bitching. Oh and I forgot all journalist who cover a particular field must be automon robots and ignore the outside world. If you have a problem with a contributor to this site posting political stories... THEN here's a novel idea don't fucking read it. This is a FREE country, (despite the new reality of freedoms being stripped away in the name of Homeland security.) You've got the right to complain about how a half Black man wasn't born here & is destroying America as some Manchurian Canidate type muslim plot, or whatever bat shit crazy idea of the week that Fox News feeds you. And an American citizen has the right to post about a News orginization that last time I checked broadcast on ACTUAL TELEVISION. That's what makes America great, so as things continue to grow by all means give drinking the Fox flavored kool-aid. But don't get so pissed when people cry Bull Shit.

  • Harry you FAT FUCK

  • Deficit went up b/c of stimulus spending--whether you agree with that as an economic policy is open for debate. But I'd rather live here than in Greece right now, where austerity has been the rule of the day. And you can blame the tea party for torpedoing Obama & Boehner's attempt at a grand bargain on the deficit. A bold plan that would have pissed off folks on the left.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:07 a.m. CST

    The mystery of Herc's 401k: a new birther movement is on the rise.

    by leonardo_dicraprio

  • June 1, 2012, 8:07 a.m. CST

    To the poster who turned me on to Hitfix

    by Redc40

    Thanks vey much. I don't give a flying fuck whether Herc, Harry or any of the rest of the living with their parents AICN correspondents contingent drink The One's Kool Aid. Or not. Start another forum for your political sniveling; trust me it'll score a larger audience than Rachel Maddoe, which guarantees at least 40 readers.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:14 a.m. CST

    American presidents are all corporate puppets

    by Steve Lamarre

    and I'm not republican or democrat (or third party) but I defend president Obama especially when attacks are racist, like the retarded birther argument. As far as gas prices go, gas was up to $5 a gallon in my neighborhood when Bush reigned. Bush and Cheney both were involved directly in the oil industry, while Obama never was. Most people on food stamps are on food stamps BECAUSE THEY GOTTA FUCKING EAT. These fucking fat white pastey bastards who attack people on food stamps eat $500 lunches and attend $30,000 a plate black-tie benefits.

  • How did all of you feel about Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles? And what political affiliation are you? Intelligent Liberal? Overzealous 'In an extreme hippy way, but still not wrong' Liberal? Dumbass Majority Conservative? Nearly Extinct 'Ron Paul' type Conservative? If you were a Nielsen viewer, did you watch? What kept you from watching? Was it the fact that intelligent television goes against your religious and political affiliation? Did terminators and artificial intelligence go against your religious thinking that only a magical man in the sky controls self-awareness? Was Fox News too tempting to pass up at the time? What was it?

  • June 1, 2012, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Herc

    by letsgobrownies44

    I totally disagree with a ton of your statements, but 2 I'll specifically address... 1. Is the stock market really your best measure of the economy? For years when libs said Bush's economy was horrendous with its 4.5%unemployment and stock market soaring to 14000, we heard it was a artificially created bubble. Why isn't the current level? And what will you say when the stock market soars after a Romney victory...will you give him the credit? 2. Maybe this has been debunked already, but the Market article is deeply flawed. Why does the author give all but 3 months of Obama's first year spending to Bush- even for bills that Obama specifically passed? This artificially inflates Bush's numbers and lowers Obama's... a very nimble sleight of hand that somehow no liberal media outlet has discussed.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:22 a.m. CST

    castor778

    by Doughboy

    I didn't spout talking points like Herc. I gave actual stats. Unemployment's been at 8% or higher for over 3 years now, despite all the spending by this administration($5+ trillion and counting in new debt). And the only reason it's even dropped that low is because people are leaving the workforce(i.e. giving up looking for jobs that aren't there) in record numbers. We're at a 30-year low in the labor participation rate. Again, actual stats, not BS talking points. So if you want to blame Bush who's been out of office for 3 1/2 years for the failures of this President, have at it. But at some point(and based on the recent polls, we've already reached it), a majority of this country is gonna get tired of the constant finger-pointing by the person who was supposedly elected to fix all of this.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Understanding the Health Care Mandate

    by PulpJEDI

    I'm actually for Universal Health Care, but here's the thing about the mandate under current legislation. We can argue – rightly so – over whether it's constitutional, but remember that the door swings both ways. It's also a mandate for the Insurance companies to take you as a customer no matter what the risk. Without a mandate, who would ever buy health insurance? It's something of a contradiction. If they can't turn us away, why not just wait until we need it? Therein lies the fundamental problem with a profit-driven health care system. You can't rely on providers who don't have your interests in mind. This is where the Public Option comes in. If the government is going to mandate a service, they should be prepared to provide that service in some capacity. People love to point out how broke the US Post Office is (no thanks to the GOP), but imagine how much UPS and FedEx could charge without the competition. The Affordable Care Act is a gutted shell of what it should have been, and I can't exactly say I support it. My father is a physician of nearly 40 years and maintains that it's a step in the right direction. That's good enough for me.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST

    I didn't watch Terminator: SCC

    by kesoze4

    At least, not after the crap first season, because it was terribly written and acted. Heard second season got better but oh well. Terminator is sealed behind a massive, pneumatic door instead of being crushed in said door... why?

  • June 1, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST

    centilope: Polish death camps

    by Hipshot

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_were_most_of_the_death_camps_located_in_Poland Many extermination camps were located in Poland. Perfectly accurate to call them "Polish" although Nazi was the driving political philosophy involved.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Also

    by kesoze4

    While we're on the topic of crap personal views, why the hell is this Talkback platform the same as it was back in 1999, except now even more unusable because you have to "expand all" everything, which I'm sure everyone just does immediately anyway?

  • June 1, 2012, 8:36 a.m. CST

    FOX pulling the spot

    by Hipshot

    The tactic, used by all political parties, is to have subordinates or fringe groups make your most extreme statements, then fire them or distance yourself if the uproar gets too loud. If their motto wasn't "Fair and Balanced" it would be unremarkable, but that level of hypocrisy is really kinda head-shakingly bad.

  • That's the difference dipshit. DUH!

  • Fact

  • I am a far left liberal.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Wrong, hipshot, on "Polish Death Camps"

    by theBigE

    re: "Many extermination camps were located in Poland. Perfectly accurate to call them "Polish" although Nazi was the driving political philosophy involved." Tell that to the Poles - they find that terminology offensive as the use of the term "Polish" as an adjective indicates ownership. What's wrong with saying "Nazi death camps located in Poland?" It's like using an ethnic slur, then saying it's accurate even if the ethnicity in question finds it very offensive. You apologize profusely for an unfortunate slip of the tongue and move on, you don't make excuses.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Herc, please comment on the MSNBC Mitt Romney vid

    by Tacoloft

    http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/05/31/nbc-and-chris-matthews-created-anti-romney-movie-february-no-media-ou Don't be a bitch.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST

    And in other, real news, Unemployment just went UP...

    by Dursman2000

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-growth-falters-may-123604088.html

  • June 1, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Good thing we have totally balanced MSNBC instead

    by Timelord-2112

  • June 1, 2012, 9 a.m. CST

    dursman2000 - I agree - he was

    by Michael Lunney

  • June 1, 2012, 9 a.m. CST

    Fox News is Chum for Idiots

    by harper54

    They just keep ladling the crap out there and millions of wanna be pundits regurgitate the loudest soundbites they can remember. Then of course, we have the interwebs to thank for giving every idiot with half a brain an anonymous platform. I think before the intertubes, you would of only overheard these guys mumbling this shit to their friends at a bar rather than clacking away on their AOL startup disc booted Gateway desktop they found at the town dump that time. Now we are inundated by this relentless ocean of idiots pretending they understand systems as complex as healthcare, the economy, and global politics. In this day and age, getting your news from a cable outlet is like going to a Super Wal Mart to buy a stick of gum. You’re gonna buy a whole bunch of crap and most likely forget why you went there in the first place. I’m pretty sure we’re all fucked.

  • June 1, 2012, 9:06 a.m. CST

    If you truly want universal healthcare...

    by chiwrtr72

    you should watch this http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/ And then read the book that it's based on. I'm not saying Obamacare is perfect because it's not. Mandating healthcare should include and single pay option not for profit businesses. But everyone should be for universal healthcare and until the GOP get that through their heads, they won't be getting my vote.

  • June 1, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST

    I think it's funny when people complain about MSNBC...

    by chiwrtr72

    Fox news is the worst for faulty coverage and biased news. Pointing out that MSNBC does the same thing but not as well doesn't refute that first point.

  • June 1, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Right on, Hercules

    by VoiceOfSaruman

    While I don't agree with every point of yours (or Obama's), this talkback is a nice reminder how right-wingers are so full of shit. And if anyone, 401k or not, doesn't think the economy has been improving since the end of Bush II's reign, then you must not actually work for an actual business.

  • June 1, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Funny thing about right wingers complaining about unemployment

    by Steve Lamarre

    You also attack people who are unemployed, calling these people lazy deadbeats. But hey if times are tough borrow 20 grand from mom and dad to start a business, right? And you love to attack social programs for people trying to lift themselves out of circumstances like poverty. You much prefer social programs/benefits for people who are already wealthy; more and more tax cuts for the rich. Rich people don't "create jobs"; they make money by firing people forcing foreclosures. They make money by betting against everything that works for everyone else.

  • I believe Obama has done a terrific job in supporting the special operations wing of our U.S. military. Hell, even my special op colleagues who are all very conservative give Obama props for his support. I will be voting for Obama because, though Romney's policies would guarantee my job in the defense industry (since he wants to raise the defense budget even further), Obama has done well getting our country back on track both in the national security realm and economic sector (though very slowly, but when you have a Congress that doesn't do anything, what can you expect?)

  • June 1, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST

    oops

    by Steve Lamarre

    *firing people AND forcing foreclosures. Anyhoo...

  • June 1, 2012, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Oh, good...

    by 5minutes

    ...I thought someone would've deleted Herc's ridiculous post out of pure shame. I'm glad to see his biased, left-leaning, pro-Obama, anti-conservative, non-movie-TV-DVD-or-Comic-Book-News ranting is still here because Lord knows, we can't find that anywhere else on the internet.

  • June 1, 2012, 9:22 a.m. CST

    I think we can ALL agree on one thing----

    by Michael Lunney

    Can someone tell me what that is?

  • June 1, 2012, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Political bias

    by obidawsn

    Herc, I normally do try to ignore the political posts on this site, because they are extremely biased and aren't "cool news" by any means. But I was curious as to what this story was and couldn't help get drawn in to the debate. I didn't read all of the talkback, and was debating on getting in on the argument at all or just give my rant why this stuff shouldn't be on the site. You're right, I don't have to read it. At least you make it a separate story so I don't have to click on it. That's one reason why I stopped reading Chud years ago after he went on a rant that really offended me and had no place in an entertainment site. But I will say it gets hard to keep reading a site that continues to post stupid stuff like this, that isn't news but trying to push an agenda, even if I don't have to read it. With that said, though, I will say a few things, as I can't help it after reading some of your posts. Obama didn't double your 401(k). As others have said, the market goes up and down. When it hits a low, it's bound to come back up. It just happened to do it under Obama (though not as fast as some might have hoped, but that will always be up for debate). If you want to compare, though, look at the market soon after Bush took office. In his first year, the market was about to collapse. It might have been mostly because of the dot.com burst, but it was suffering even worse than when Obama took over. Look how the market came back during his time in office. Was it something he did? Or was it just a typical bounce back? There really isn't much difference. The market has a typical swing like that over time, no matter who's in office. I could get into the specifics of why I believe that, but don't want to spend the time to discuss it, here. Now, here's why Obama's term has been different. It was the businesses that were failing. The businesses that were failing when Obama took office were huge businesses that could potentially cause a collapse (banks, huge manufacturers like car companies, etc.). Much of that was due to poor business practices and nothing the government did. Did Obama stop the market from crashing? Quite possibly. Was it a wise choice? I don't think we'll ever know. Maybe the market needed to crash for everything to be better in the long run, as it seems to just be hanging on by a thread, right now. But that's all just theory, and we hate to talk about such things. But here's something that gets interesting. The big problem going on in 2008 was the banks failing? Why? Because of their horrible business practices. Could the government have stopped it from happening (or even should they?). Could they have created legislation to stop it? Yes (and the debate over whether they should or not I won't get into as we could go around and around on that one). Why didn't they? Was it ignorance? Was it Bush not having any interest? (Though would Bush have any control over it, anyway?). There definitely wasn't any ignorance. Congress knew what was going on. In fact, legislation was proposed that would attempt to put a stop to it. Who proposed that legislation? McCain. Who kept it from going through, or even get voted on for that matter? The Democratic controlled Congress. They didn't want to vote on it. Why? I couldn't say for sure. Maybe they didn't care or believe it was important. Maybe they wanted things to collapse so they could put the blame on Bush (and trust me things like that happened a lot during that last year or two). I can't say for sure. But before you start praising Obama, maybe you should start listening to other sides. Is Romney a great choice? Maybe not. But neither, really, is Obama. I think we're screwed either way (and I'm not sure even a great President could turn things around the way Congress has been for the last 10 years or so...maybe even longer).

  • June 1, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST

    5minutes

    by Steve Lamarre

    know what you can also find on the internet? Ayn Rand's movie Atlas Shrugged. Anybody watching it? Ha ha nope.

  • Well??

  • June 1, 2012, 9:30 a.m. CST

    ONCE AGAIN FOR THE INTELLECTUALLY IMPAIRED:

    by Jaster Mareel

    FOX NEWS CALLS ITSELF NEWS AND THAT IT IS FAIR AND BALANCED! Fox & Friends in particular is billed as a NEWS show, not an editorial personality show. It's not like Rush Limbaugh hasn't been doing this type of shit since he started, but what relevance is that? See how you make ZERO FUCKING SENSE? Just like all Republiturds, you make straw man arguments and then attack them as if they have FUCK ALL to do with the issue at hand. Chris Matthews is not the fucking news anymore than that idiot Sean Hannity is you dumb fucking CUNT! Grow a fucking brain or shut the fuck up!

  • June 1, 2012, 9:33 a.m. CST

    And then there's Maude.....

    by Michael Lunney

  • June 1, 2012, 9:33 a.m. CST

    One thing to consider

    by obidawsn

    It's OK to have your views. Just like I have mine. I'm not sure Harry's intent of this site is, and I believe he's posted a few things like this himself. But maybe there should be a consideration that this isn't the platform for it. Are you free to express your opinion? Sure. Are you free to do it on this site? Sure. But the question is...Should you? Many people have used their freedoms to express their beliefs and opinions in places that weren't deemed appropriate. Sure they had the freedom to do so, but to what purpose? They tended to run more people off than draw in. And those they drew in were already in their camp anyway. Could you discuss politics, here? Maybe Although I'm sure most people on here would rather you not...especially since debates over organic vs. mechanical web shooters already causes enough strife. And when your stories are nothing but pure biased, pointing out the flaws of one person, party, or network that you don't agree with, then it stops being "cool" and starts being annoying. Maybe think about creating another forum for your discussions. I'm sure people will follow. Like I said, though, you have the freedom to do whatever. And like you said, I don't have to read the story. I'm just making a suggestion, and explaining that others might agree.

  • June 1, 2012, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Damn I love political talkbacks on this site.

    by Kevservo

    It's like watching an epic battle between two armies of idiots.

  • June 1, 2012, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Yellow Journalism at best...

    by Nick

    fear mongering at worst. Yet, no matter what, Fox News at its best. Huzzah!

  • June 1, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST

    It's About Time

    by Xen11

  • Religion and politics permeate every facet of an individual which makes up the community that is existence, which includes film and television and comics. Film, television, comics, books, etc. all explore ideas. Ideas are shaped by beliefs. For example: Notice how the entertainment industry is said to be mostly liberal. This leads to free-thinking, imaginative stories overfilled with possibility and expanding your mind to places you haven't thought of. It's a sharing of imagination. Notice the films that are conservative or religious, such as Battle L.A. THE WORST MOVIE I'VE EVER WITNESSED AT THE MOVIE THEATER. It's mind numbing. It is filled with idiocy. All it knows is how to shoot guns at aliens and act 'patriotic' because 'God Bless America'. There's no imagination whatsoever in that film. Notice how in Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen you have patriotic shots of men in service shooting aliens and horrible "jokes" that are so not funny that they are offensive simply because they treat the audience like fucking morons because that's who they are catering to. Notice the film, X-Men: First Class, and how it deals with difference and prejudice amongst 'races'. You can tell that it comes from a liberal mind because there is thought in the film. Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes was not made by Christian Conservatives that "hate niggers". Trust me, that film was made by people who have empathy and intelligence.

  • June 1, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    My 401K almost doubled but...

    by SlappyBones

    I continued to contribute, and moved my investments into more conservative funds that I would if the economy was booming. Herc, I assume you also continued to contribute? Along with more aggressive investment choices, sure, a 401K could have easily doubled.

  • June 1, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    What a joke!

    by MasterVodo

    Every journalist on television has an agenda. As humans it is almost impossible to not let that bias slip into reporting as hard as they try or not. The fact is the executive branch of government has usurped power from congress over the last 100 years or so. Most national politicians talk about legislative agendas. They have no write to even put for legislation, that is congresses domain. The national politicians stir emotional reactions on hot topics issues like gay marriage, abortion, education, and many other topics that are clearly states rights issues and should be handle at the state level. Unfortunately the federal government has created a lot of entitlement programs that some states can't afford. This forces sates to play by the feds rules or risk bank rolling these programs, because the feds will withhold money. Until we rein in the federal government and get them out of our bedrooms, states, and personal lives we will continue to loss liberty and become a nanny state. In conclusion this boils down to personal responsibility for individuals and corporations. No bail outs for anyone. you make your bed you now lay in it. This country was built on great men and women talking chances failing and trying again. Americans today see government as the answer which the are not. You are the answer, pull yourselves up by your boot straps and make something of yourself and this country.

  • June 1, 2012, 10 a.m. CST

    Of course, all the tea baggers out there seem to like to ignore that stuff.

    by leonardo_dicraprio

  • June 1, 2012, 10:02 a.m. CST

    typos

    by MasterVodo

    harry we need an edit feature typing in the morning sucks .

  • The GOP have looked back in history and found their model of how to get the ignorant masses to listen, follow and repeat their selfish, hateful message. This propaganda video was made and viewed with purpose. They pulled the video? BIG DEAL. They aired it several times and gushed about the truthfulness of it and celebrated it's author: Damage done. SCORES HAVE SEEN IT and in their lemming mentality believed every word from the Fox propaganda machine. Again: Damage done. I've never seen the US populace more inclined to shoot itself in the foot to favor so very few wealthy people..

  • June 1, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST

    35% real unemployment is Obangyomama's legacy

    by cozy

  • June 1, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST

    LOL my post was deleted because I said I was voting for Romney

    by AshokForgiven

    Wow, nice job on censorship.

  • June 1, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST

    THE WINNER OF THIS TALKBACK IS SAURONTHEPOWERFUL

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    If Herc had just produced evidence of this magical 401K plan he might've stood a chance.

  • June 1, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST

    So more than every third American is unemployed?

    by Jaster Mareel

    Can you fucking idiots hear yourselves?

  • I made a promise to myself to not engage in political talk around here anymore, as it never leads to anything other than one gang against another with switchblades drawn, lots of posturing, nothing really profound coming from either side, but a lot of West Side Story style dancing around whatever pet political axes there are to grind at the moment. In other words, yeah , politics ands religion, 2 of my favorite topics, permeate our world, but we are all just human beings hoping for a better future. SO.... Do you think there is ANYTHING we can all agree on--- other than politics and religion have become barriers to man just getting along with their fellow man?

  • Haha, if Republicans forums deleted posts like AICN, libs would be hollering police state.

  • June 1, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST

    The problem is that all the media is owned by giant corporations now

    by Jaster Mareel

    And those corporations are all about getting the maximum profit while fucking the little guy. That means that most corporations contribute massively to Republicans. This also means that they rarely call out Republicans on their blatant fucking LIES! Thank god for the fucking internet because otherwise there would be no truth at all. And yes, I recognize the irony of that statement, but it's unfortunately true. just like if there were no facebook or twitter, we would have no idea what was going on in Egypt or Syria or anywhere else.

  • Republicans and Liberals will like different things in that movie for different reasons. Republican: "Oh yea, did you see when Hulk slammed that dude and smashed the shit out of him. I was like, 'Yea, fuck 'em up, T-Bone' and I was clapping and hollering. And then when that dude punched that other dude. America. YEA." Liberal: "This movie was very well written. The tension between the characters amplifying their differences in dealing with these important issues was a highlight. The thought that went into all the moving parts created a beautiful and harmonic story. You can tell that The Avengers was written and directed by a liberal. You can tell that the Transformers films were filmed by a republican. (Notice I didn't say 'written'. I'm not sure if anything was written.)

  • June 1, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST

    More debunking.

    by cockdiesel

    Liberals love graphics, so here's one for you: http://media.hotair.com/greenroom/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/MarketWatchObamaSpendingInfographic.jpg

  • June 1, 2012, 11:03 a.m. CST

    MSNBC ain't fair n balanced either but

    by Steve Lamarre

    when Keith Olberman donated to political campaigns he was suspended without pay for a few days, and eventually fired. So there is some semblance of journalistic scruples involved. When anyone at Fox does that they're given a bonus. Fox's motto practically begs for it to be used as fodder on the Daily Show. In general, bigger news outlets have corporate sponsors, so they're the CORPORATE media, not the liberal media. The only liberal-biased based media I know of is Current TV, Bill Maher's show, Steve Colbert, Jon Stewart, Huffington Post, etc. To think otherwise is paranoid.

  • June 1, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST

    BS, xen11

    by theBigE

    To paint the world in such simplistic strokes (Liberals all think this, Conservatives all think this) shows your lack of understanding. I know it upsets the worldview of some, but people very rarely fall into neat categories. Obama is not a moron or the devil as some here will claim. Nor was Bush, as others claim. To simply divide everything in two neat camps because it's easier to think that way doesn't make it true. They are simple minded Conservatives AND Liberals, just as there are thoughtful ones. To insist that the opposing viewpoint has no merit at all is not helpful in solving any problems.

  • Go watch it on the way to your polls America! Obama and Romney are both puppets, and your country ain't sovereign anymore! And your dollar is collapsing as countries switch to trading in their own currencies! But keep the dream alive that democracy is doing anything real for you! You're just choosing between Ang and Krang!!!

  • June 1, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    FOX LIES

    by Rambowl

    FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES FOX LIES

  • An imaginary being called a "God" that calls the shots. That all fetuses should stay in their oven until fully cooked, no matter if their father is a rapist or their mother doesn't want to have them for various reasons which can include her wanting to stay alive. That people should be divided according to skin color. That Fox News is "fair and balanced". Believes that all industrial jobs are valid especially when they poison and kill people. Holds that money is greater than the lives of people and should be attained no matter the costs.

  • June 1, 2012, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Herc,

    by Stanley Ann Dunham

    IF the economy is so good, explain these articles? http://blog.american.com/2012/06/miserable-may-jobs-report-suggests-u-s-in-recession-red-zone/ or this http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/more-sub-par-employment-numbers/#utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter or this http://news.investors.com/article/613346/201206010854/working-age-employment-rates-near-historic-lows.htm needless to say, it ain't as rosy as you claim for America.

  • June 1, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Corporations not only own all the major media outlets...

    by McSatan

    ...but they own all the politicians, too. I'm reminded of Saddam in South Park saying "don't look at that, look over here!" The war has already been lost, people. All this "dems versus repubs" and "liberal versus conservative" nonsense just gives the illusion that the cause might still be won or lost. I ain't a-marchin' anymore. Carry on, though. It's good for AICN's bottom line, and I like the web-site.

  • ....you do use very broad strokes with your differences between conservative and liberal fimmakers and film fans While there might be a whiff of truth in what you say - you cannot differentiate with films and enterainment the same way one can easily do with political leanings - there is the crossover factor as well - I understand what you are getting at, but have to tell you your argument just doesn't hold up If there is anything we can alll agree on, maybe it just boils down to --- we all want the best life we can have in our short time here on Earth Best is the problematic word, however, earthlings will never agree on what best is - that is- unless we are all attacked by aliens, and the only way to get the best world again would be to deafeat the invading motherfuckers Maybe the world would change with more commonality after that. It is easy to hate someone because of political differences - it is much harder to embrace that same person a a fellow human being I have always taken the easier route, but now choose to break free from my preconceptions, and try to see the person as a human first and a political opponent second Give it a try with your rhetoric -- or don't. WE are birds of a feather poilitically, so I get all that you are trying to say, however divisive it comes across. Cheers.

  • to be a bunch of virgin women waiting for them when they die. How ridiculous. It's not the same as when I die and go to Heaven, where there will be a bunch of whores waiting for me."

  • June 1, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST

    thank you all

    by mitt

    First of all let me say thank you for all your kind comments. I appreciate that from the bottom of my soul, and it heartens me greatly to know that come November "we" can take this country back or take back this country. Now to answer some of your concerns that I am "out of touch" I just want to point out that my team and I have just finished filming several spots where I truly "rock the denim". I have been told there will be a sizzle reel available shortly. CallMeMiittster

  • June 1, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST

    XEN11 - DEPENDS ON THE PERSON DYING, WOULDN'T YOU AGREE?

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

  • June 1, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Latest Jobs report

    by shane peterson

    is bad news for everyone, including our Obummer in Chief.

  • And that basically sums up the whole religious community. They carry on these horrible customs and beliefs because their parents told them to and they don't want to go against their parents. THAT is what is wrong with the world. And you will see that mentality throughout the redneck South.

  • June 1, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    NOT ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE RELIGIOUS MINDED

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    Making generalizations about people really doesn't help your argument, if you even have one.

  • June 1, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Wow, you guys are still at it?

    by schadenfreudian

    This talkback will outlive us all.

  • June 1, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    All News is now corporate-owned. Networks play to their niche.

    by impossibledreamers

    CNN was the typical, corporate regurgitated AP sourced news until Fox came along. Then, Fox spent a decade yelling 24/7 that all other news was a lie and only they knew the truth. Ingenious. Those annoying scrolls on every channel now? Thank Fox for that crap. Misleading or titilating text beneath video that doesn't match? They mastered it. Opinion entertainers playing journalists? They pioneered it. Folks on the right can bitch about MSNBC, but it was a corporate decision to create an overtly left-wing channel to compete with Fox. Fox was created to fill a niche by Murdock to pander to disenfranchised white America. And it worked. Of course its also run by Republican ad man. What a coup. The hateful Aussie owns it and the other rich white guy runs it. They are the Jerry Springer of news. The WWE of journalism. They are popular but doesn't make them truthful. After all the BBC is the true journalism source but it's boring and Americans would never watch. It's USA Today vs. The Times of London

  • According to what I've read here, one side of this debate is filled with racist liars, and the other one is filled with hate mongering fascists. I'm still not sure which side is which, but I'm clear on that.

  • but say what you feel-- w3e stil have that freedom, I think

  • June 1, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE DEATH PENALTY

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    You act like killing a cold blooded murderer is a bad thing. LOL

  • June 1, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST

    XEN11 - OH, OKAY. YOU WIN THE ARGUMENT.

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    Feel better now? You're so superior to all conservatives and nothing you believe is wrong.

  • June 1, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST

    SO YOU'RE SAYING THE DEATH PENALTY SHOULD BE OUTLAWED REGARDLESS OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES?

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    That society should spend millions (or whatever exorbitant amount of money) to house, feed and clothe someone for life even if they've raped, bludgeoned and/or mutilated innocent people?

  • June 1, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    More moronic jackassery from Herc...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    ...the faux Republican? Dude, get your own website, if you want to post this liberal political garbage. Or a column on the Huffington Post, or MoveOn.org. Your bitter hatred of all things to the political right of Barney Frank not isn't appropriate for a 'site focusing on comics and sci-fi, but it REALLY reveals you to be a narrow-minded partisan unable to see ANYTHING (including comics and sci-fi) outside the veil of your liberal bias. It's clouded everything you write about, and is the main reason why I — and no doubt, many others — tend to avoid any items that you're writing. Because we really don't want to read the political ramblings of an idiot. >:|

  • June 1, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    NOBODY CALLED YOU A "PRICK" AS YOU IMAGINED YET YOU THINK IT'S OKAY TO CALL OTHERS RETARDED

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    Settle down.

  • You mean like Bush and his army of Conservatives.

  • June 1, 2012, noon CST

    Sorry, xen11, didn't realize you were a troll

    by theBigE

    I thought you were trying to make a valid point earlier. If you'd like to have a serious conversation, I'm open to that. If you want to make non-sensical over-generalizations and insult minority groups, that is your right, but don't expect anyone to respect your viewpoint. I think you've made your point pretty clear to all reading - it's that you get angry when challenged and resort to insults. Well done - your like-minded friends are proud of your defense, I'm sure.

  • June 1, 2012, noon CST

    MOVEON.ORG IS THE BIGGEST JOKE EVER

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    I checked their site during the escalation of the war in Afghanistan and when Obama sent military assistance to Libya without Congressional approval or consultation. Not one word from the supposed anti-war organization. Just a whole lot of propaganda for Obamacare.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST

    @oaser

    by Craig2574

    Herc is not wrecking anyone in here. He is choosing to ignore people who are hitting back at him with facts. I am sure Herc will not be talking about the 60,000 jobs added today which is far below the rate of even population growth. That is all that has been going on the past 24 months. People are not retiring right now as much as they use to as well. The labor part. rate has been falling as well for quite a while. If Mccain would have won things would be the same right now because Ben Bern. would still be in charge of the fed. If anyone is to blame for high gas prices it is Ben. Pumping up the dollar causing its value to fall has caused gas prices to rise since gas is a global commodity. Obama is a college professor just attempting theories that do not work. I did not vote for Andrew Cuomo but I now approve of the job he is doing in NY (As I do with Chris Christie) and I hope one of them run in 2016.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    AICN

    by Kevin

    The new site for politics! *gag*

  • June 1, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Herc - The Liberal Denier

    by nemov

    There's nothing wrong with being a liberal. It's just that it's a shame Herc is such a coward about it. I know it's beyond your expertise, but there are some things more important than the stock market. Unemployment is up. GDP growth has been less that 2% for the past year. 70% of the time that means a recession is coming. Very few people actually believe the economy is getting better or that Obama has a clue what to do about the economy. Instead of making the economy the sole focus of his first term Obama took his eye off the ball and rammed a very unpopular health care bill through Congress. The massive costs associated with the bill is freezing investment. Companies (big and small) are afraid to invest because ObamaCare looms on the horizon. Herc if you're so worried about objectivity in the press you can start a blog posting ridiculous videos every day. Some of the vids would be from FOX and CNN, but most would be from MSNBC. If you want anyone beside liberals to take you seriously about politics you should post a few from MSNBC. I won't hold my breath because you won't be outraged, because you're so uninformed you woudln't notice.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST

    @thebige. Nicely put

    by angry kitty

    To classify ALL conservatives and liberals into narrow, extreme categories based on an individual's personal political bias, is inconsistent with the reality that people are for the most part quite complex and varied. It is misguided to think that all conservatives are closed minded and all liberals are socialists. MOST people tend to have diverse beliefs- with bits of both conservative and liberal values.

  • June 1, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Herc is in denial about being a Progressive Liberal Democrat

    by tootle

    Even though Herc denies it, actions speak louder than words. Just like, much to the lefts frustration, the President still denies he's a Marxist regardless of all his actions saying otherwise.

  • Those STUPID so and so's! And then those other ones! OH, LOOORD!! What is it with them? Argh! Those Republicans! They @%^$#^@%@&!^&!@ and then they @#^$@#(@&)@#!#0!!!! Oooooo! I just wanna _(#^@!&#^@!()#$*!@!! till they're screaming!!!! And then those Democrats?!?! Why someone oughta just @%$#&@#^$@* and then with a rubber roto-rooter !#@&!#*(@#$($#$}}}! and then maybe, MAYBE I'll call a proctologist! AAAAARRRGRGHHHHHGRGGSHSGGG!!! And those other ones!! OOoOOOoHHh-BOY!!!! THE moderates and independents!! HHOooooooo!! You just wanna %^%^$$*##*( with a #^&))#@$% )@hdfug()#@* and a #$@%^#%*%#*YWE but never %%@#Y#$$ ^GEJ##@ But make sure its well lubed and then %@#^@%#$YREg ewwruk riwrkwerik wfhuit4389&&&&&7 but GOOD!!! And then POLITICS!!!!! OOoooooooooOOOOOhhhhhhhh!!!! Don't get me started on THAT! I might say something FUCKING OFFENSIVE!!! Feelings could be hurt. Hey, celebritydave! Hows that Ban-Hammer feel! And BOOM! goes Ban-Hammer DYN-O-MITE!!!

  • June 1, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST

    A nation of spoiled ignorant children.

    by Jose Armenta

    It has been three and a half years now that this countries citizens, and its leaders, have spent finger pointing, and demonizing each other using carefully constructed talking points that are, at best, half truths if not out right lies. Three and a half years of repeating the same bullshit arguments, thousands and thousands of times over, till it relegates to name calling and ignorant remarks. A nation of AICN TALKBACKERS!! Here's a crazy idea. Try having a rational grown up conversation for once. Where the goal is not winning the argument but finding viable solutions for the problems facing this nation. STOP THE INSANITY!!!!

  • There is little difference between Romney and Obama. Barack Obama HIMSELF - without Congressional approval - authorized the NATO drone strikes in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Libya that have killed over 1400 civilians, are violating the sovereignty of other countries, and are pushing enemy recruitment levels to record highs. This is why the one remaining major Presidential candidate who DIDN'T LIE when he took a Constitutional oath - Ron Paul - has attempted to impeach Obama. Romney? He agrees with drone strikes. These drones have also killed two Americans overseas. One of them, Awlaki, was a terrorist. Another, his son, WAS NOT. He was 16 year-old who went to high school in Denver. If only he had looked like Obama's son, he literally wouldn't have been killed. Obama has a more accelerated system of market manipulation (Romney's is based on cutoffs for tax breaks in his economic plan) and bailouts, as evidenced by the SLOW recovery. NEITHER believe in free markets. BOTH are funded by big banks. Obama has been the author of a deceptively named Affordable Care Act, which used super committees and other shady tactics to get it forced through despite Obama's promise of transparency. The basis of this monstrosity that FORCES people to buy health care was Romney's Massachusetts health care, which is currently ravaging the state's economy. Obama's Department of Justice has been shutting down medicinal marijuana dispensaries and arresting cancer patients legally smoking it. Romney agrees with all of this, and the taxpayers get billed for it. Obama's Department of Justice also gave guns to drug cartels, killing ATF agents (Fast and Furious). Obama has flip-flopped, like Romney on a bunch of issues: Guantanamo Bay, NDAA, The Patriot Act, Iraq, Afghanistan, marijuana penalties. Obama has been more consistently pro-abortion than Romney. I guess there's your striking difference. Oh, and Obama is for state's rights on gay marriage, Romney isn't. Time to stop giving into the two-party illusion. Write in "Ron Paul" or vote Virgil Goode or vote Gary Johnson if you're pro-choice. These warmongering, freedom-restricting parties that benefit the rich need to be destroyed. Obama has wanted to divide this country and offer government as the answer for every economical and health problem, but it's clear that he still wants to be loved by the 1%, bailing them out and attending their parties at every opportunity. Just be glad you aren't a part of the 99% in foreign countries, where Obama has turned from national defense to global offense, and it's the civilian poor who get the missiles to the chest. These drone strikes should be the focal point of this campaign. Whether it's MSNBC whose Maddow has been to slumber parties at the White House, or Fox News who wants Romney to win, they are not reporting on it.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    As a Canadian, I do wish this political stuff wasn't posted

    by Jake Pantlin

    I come to this site to read "cool" news. I don't think this qualifies as cool news at all. I also think that Herc needs to remember that his viewership for this site is global, and not just the USA.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    They both spent us into Oblivion, Tazzman, but

    by Novaman5000

    Lets give credit where credit's due. This isn't just OBAMA spending money, and frankly, he's only spent so much to try and clean up the mess Bush left behind. BO isn't perfect, not even close, but do you think we would have even needed a bailout if Bush hadn't been such a fuckup?

  • June 1, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Let's stop with the Ron Paul shit, please.

    by Novaman5000

    Setting aside the fact that voting for Ron Paul is like wiping your ass with your vote and flushing it (he doesn't stand a FUCKING CHANCE), for every one good idea Ron Paul has, he has 2 batshit crazy ones that make it impossible for me (and many people like me) to support him. Also, can someone get that man a suit that fucking fits him? It's hard to take him seriously when he stands on stage looking like a kid who got into his dad's closet.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Does anyone remember....LAUGHTER?

    by Michael Lunney

  • June 1, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Random thoughts

    by levithegreat

    1. The babies who keep bitching about the political stories do not really mind these stories. In fact they like them - as long as they say exactly what they want to hear. They just can't handle an opinion (or facts) that don't mesh with their views and/or opinions. 2. There have been several posts where people mis quote Herc or just blatantly lie about what he has said. Do not be surprised by this. This is a common tactic of Faux news -they have learned well. 3. Herc is a republican (at least if he says so I believe him). Many people no longer know what a republican is. The crazy, extreme version you see today is not it. The tea baggers are not it. In fact the closest thing to actual republicans today are what passes for democrats today. There is no longer a leftist party because the democrats have moved so far into center and republican territory because for the most part the democratic party is spineless cowards unwilling to actually stand up for what they believe. 4. Despite the lies you are being sold Obama has done a decent job with the economy. Also, largely ignored, is the fact that a great many jobs that have been lost are government jobs - which the republicans continue to fight to eliminate. They keep wanting to eliminate these jobs and then bitch about unemployment. Where Obama has failed is many of his other promises that he has never made any real effort to keep - closing Gitmo, stooping from using the presidency to abuse power, human rights violations, ect. There is plenty of actual shit to be pissed at him about - but the economy is not one of them.

  • CHANGES. And then... there's Maude....

  • June 1, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    I hate Bush but you can't blame him for the crash

    by tootle

    Walstreet (this nations true president) is to blame. Obama isn't even a politician. He's an activist with an agenda that has wasted billions in government grants to DOA green energy company's. Who knows how much more he'll flush down the toilet, along with the constitution, if he's re elected.

  • June 1, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Fuck politics...they're the most pointless human creation there is

    by alienindisguise

  • If you respond angrily (or at all) to my post, then you only prove my point. We get it. You hate Fox News. You hate Sarah Palin. Your 401K has doubled. You love Obama.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Nah, alienindisguise, that would be Sports.

    by Novaman5000

    It always amazes me when certain friends of mine criticize my interest in politics as a meaningless waste of time, then spend hours watching sports on TV or researching sports statistics, debating player strengths, etc. Talk about something that truly doesn't matter.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    @freeman_lowell

    by 5minutes

    I've seen it. Not bad for an amateur production, but definitely preachy, unashamedly wearing its politics on its sleeve. You know - just like Herc did with this post.

  • Thinks are definitely better in some ways since Obama took office. I watched George W. Bush's hanging ceremony at the White House the other day and realized how far we've come in four years. We've gone from an illiterate, drunken buffoon to a rather eloquent, well spoken politician. Unfortunately I don't think there is much of a difference between Obama and Dubyas end game. People say someone is right wing, or left wing, but in reality they're wings of the same bird, an Eagle. And what is an Eagle? It's a scavenger, not a bird of prey. It feasts off the bones of the dead or steals food from other smaller, and weaker birds. Here's the problem... We live in a Democratic Republic that functions more like an oligarchy these days. There are the wealthy elite that run the country and only look out for the people that donated the most money to their campaign. The major media outlets distort information and manipulate and mold the minds of its viewers through carefully crafted twenty-four hour news cycles. Everything going on right now with Syria, Iran, Russia, and China that you see on the news is designed to create a pro-war mentality in the people. They're planting seeds with all these unconfirmed stories of mass killings in Syria, showing little babies dead in the streets, so that when we finally go to war with the Iran Power Block for their oil, the public will actually believe it's for the good of those poor dead babies in the street. They're indoctrinating us. While some of you may not agree with Herc, I commend him for speaking his mind and shining a light on Fox News as they try to cover up their lies. With that being said, I won't vote for Obama again, because I honestly feel as though he doesn't serve the American people, he serves whoever donates the most money to his campaign.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST

    ^^^^Ditto to what novaman5000

    by NoHubris

    Although Romney's NASCAR owner buddies would likely disagree with us.

  • June 1, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Ditto to what novaman5000 said

    by NoHubris

  • June 1, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Ain't it Political

    by Tony Washburn

    Please take this crap to such a place. I came for movies and entertainment, not to hear how biased FOX is.

  • June 1, 2012, 3 p.m. CST

    Well Played, Herc

    by micturatingbenjamin

    What do I get if Obama is re-elected? What changes will be made to my life that I find beneficial, or at least non-disruptive? 1. ObamaCare -- the provision of the law that says I can't be denied affordable health insurance due to a pre-existing condition, or be dropped when a terminal illness occurs. This is a good change that has occurred. If Obama's re-elected that change stays. 2. Obama has said he'd allow tax cuts for the wealthiest (income tax cuts -- not the insane cuts they get on all of the other actual ways they bring money into their houses) would just go back to the way they were before Bush took office. 3. I'd be allowed to eat an unborn child on the Black Sabbath again (thank Satan)! Wait, I think number three might be from falling asleep with Fox News on again. Seriously, though, keeping Barry O, means that the economic recovery, plodding as it is, and was expected to be, continues. Not instantly, but there you go. Grow the fuck up. If Romney is elected, shit's gonna get real for me and mine VERY QUICK. 1. He supports DOMA -- a backwards ass social cause that riles up the rank and file morons on the right. Not just RepubliCorp, but Blue Dog Dems as well. Marriage Equality affects my younger brother, and many of my friends. He's a proven bigot and homophobe. Gay bashing, doesn't get my vote. 2. He's against abortion, would appoint TWO Supreme Court Justices with the same Neanderthal opinion of that bullshit, which fucks our country for DECADES, not just four years he gets to cheer and wave an American Flag for his side. 3. He's against labor unions as a concept. Not just the corrupt ones, but ALL collective bargaining rights of the workforce, all equality between management and the workers. This means he will support policies that fuck over people earning a wage. People I depend on to buy the shit I sell. It fucks me, a small businessman, when he supports this voodoo economic bullshit. Not conjecture. People don't buy my frivolous shit when they don't have a spendable income. I've been seeing enough of an uptick in my personal business that this current Pres. has my vote. Show me a RepubliCorp politician who's NOT bought and paid for, OR pandering to the lowest common denominator OR Racist -- and I'll show you Ron Paul -- Why isn't he their nominee again? Who the fuck knows.

  • June 1, 2012, 3 p.m. CST

    Other movie news sites

    by Craig2574

    What are some other sites? I know about Latino Review, Superhero Hype, Bleeding Cool. really have almost had it with this site. The layout sucks,it still looks as if it is stuck in the 90's and the content sucks most of the time.

  • June 1, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Where is your recovery now?

    by DarkFlounder

  • June 1, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST

    billy_boomstick

    by Inglorious Bastard

    "If you respond angrily (or at all) to my post, then you only prove my point." Making a statement like this only shows that you don't grasp the basic tenets of logic and argument. I tried this same tactic when I was at recess in the first grade and even then my peers could tell it was bullshit.

  • June 1, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST

    A hardcore leftist shows you a chart Herc won

    by BurnHollywood

  • June 1, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Being Republican doesn't mean defending Fox News' lies

    by JacksParasites

    On paper, I too am a Republican. But I am also a progressive who is far more to the Left of Barack Obama. I've never voted for a Republican in a presidential race or even a Congressional race. But many of the progressive values that used to be what the party stood for I agree with. These days, however, I'm somewhat forced to vote Democrat because, while also deeply flawed, they're more likely to push the progressive values I stand for, which in many cases the GOP still CLAIMS to stand for, but don't. I'm not libertarian, but I do see some areas where Big Government should stay out...like marriage and abortion and marijuana legalization. I also think we should reduce military spending. I also care about science, something that most republican candidates (except John Huntsman) are firmly against. Oddly though, despite these being alleged republican values, the current Republican Party by in large opposes them. Stop playing into the narrative of this false dichotomy that you either are a liberal or a conservative, either for big gov't or against big gov't. Reality is far more nuanced.

  • June 1, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    A hardcore leftist shows you a chart Herc won't....

    by BurnHollywood

    http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Paper-Economy/2012/0106/Unemployment-rate-drops-to-8.5-percent Not hard to see the GIANT gap between what was and simply isn't anymore. Obama's a pathetic, naive dupe at best...bought at most likely. His key contributors at Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan are happy, even if the rest of you aren't. Vote for change...vote for...anyone the fuck else. Write your own name, if it amuses you. Just don't agree to be played anymore.

  • http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-wall-street-killed-financial-reform-20120510

  • June 1, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST

    by yhtomitb

    I come to Aint It Cool News to avoid actual news. Please stick to entertainment news in the future.

  • While you're sighing in contentment at Prezident Urkel's "Smooth Jams" and his other dorky campaign stunts with the rest of your parlor liberal pals, there's been some serious pain amongst the working class in the last few years... Unless you think creating new forms of "Investment Instruments" counts as work.

  • June 1, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    SaurontheCunt

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Hey cunt. The deficit has NOTHING to do with what I'd said, cunt. I said the policies of this current president favor the middle class having cash in their pocket. Which favors me, who, as a small businessman relies on the middle class to buy my entertainment goods. I will vote for him. Re: Deficit -- This is the first time in a decade we put both IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN on the books, rather than keep them off the budget to make it look like we're doing well. Which means, the wars that RepubliCorp said 'would pay for themselves'? Haven't. The point of my message was: Fuck Romney, he wants to gut the middle class and backs social policies that are from the Dark Ages. Both are things that fuck with me and my family. He doesn't get my vote. He fucking approves of gaybashing, he approves of repealing abortion. Fuck that guy.. Obamacare hasn't been upheld YET. They don't announce the decision until later this month. Still, you seem to think it will be upheld. Unless you think Pelosi has the ability to see the future, you pulled that information out of your slick moist cunt, cunt. If that was the case, she should have squawked A LOT more about Citizens United, no? Don't assume I'm uninformed, simply because I've come to a conclusion that differs from yours, cunt. Oh, and don't be a cunt would be my advice to you. Cunt.

  • June 1, 2012, 3:54 p.m. CST

    If Aetius was the last Roman, Ron Paul is the last American.

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

  • Which is to say, infinitesimal in scope, size and results...

  • ...Against a weakened dollar. Ask Obama's pal Geithner, a disciple of the grand architect of the current malaise, Robert Rubin. That's one of his key advisers, in case you didn't know.

  • June 1, 2012, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Also...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Luckily -- I know this butthurts a LOT of you idiots -- there are more liberals than there are conservatives. When they show up, misinformed dirty hippies the lot of them, they win. And they're gonna show up. Even with you pissing and moaning about unemployment numbers -- even with you trying to make people think the greatest president in the history of the United States is from Kenya. Yeah, I said it. Greatest President in the History of the United States of America. One reason. Only one. He got Osama Bin Laden. He said it on the campaign trail. He said it in his inaugural address. He ordered Seal Team 6 to fuck that pigfucker's day up, put him in a bag, and tossed his dumb ass in the ocean. Every single other RepubliCorp candidate had other views: GOVERNOR ROMNEY: I think, I wouldn't want to over-concentrate on Bin Laden. He's one of many, many people who are involved in this global Jihadist effort. He's by no means the only leader. It's a very diverse group – Hamas, Hezbollah, al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood and of course different names throughout the world. It's not worth moving heaven and earth and spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person. It is worth fashioning and executing an effective strategy to defeat global, violent Jihad and I have a plan for doing that. OLD MAN MCCAIN: He said he would launch military attacks into Pakistan. You don't do that. Why the fuck not? Because both men, bought and paid for by ballistics and weapons manufacturers, wanted to keep selling that Iraq was the central point of the retarded 'War on Terror'. There you go. Thank God there's more liberals than retards out there.

  • June 1, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Unemployment rate can't be put entirely on the president, sorry.

    by castor778

    Everyone is upset about the economy, which I fully understand. But the unemployment rate cannot fall entirely on the POTUS. I've had 3 different jobs (1 retail, 2 television) in the past 6 years before finally going the small business route and working for myself now - and I can only speak from experience there. But all 3 went through the same exact situation - the companies were all losing money and starting cutting back their work forces. Yet in the following years, each and every one of them started making back loads of money then they had before. And you know what's funny? NOT ONE OF THEM HIRED BACK ANYONE THEY LET GO! All 3 companies have work forces significantly lower than they did prior to the economic collapse, and they still aren't showing signs of rehiring. Why? Because like any recession, when a business cuts people and they go a year or longer with a smaller workforce, that workforce has to produce if they want to keep their jobs. Less people, same result, more money for the higher ups. The president cannot simply change that, we have to. If you're actually on AICN and bitching and moaning about not having a job - you simply aren't trying to get one (sorry, but it's true). What are you good at? What talent do you have? Have you looked at starting up your own business, and developing something with friends? If you haven't, that's your fault - not the runner of this country. You can keep pointing at the unemployment rate and bitch about not being able to even get a job greeting people at Walmart - but what are you really doing to change that? If you want to bitch and moan about Obama letting people stay on welfare and collecting "Obama Money" - I'm right there with you, it disgusts me. But if you're going to sit here and complain about job growth and being unemployed like there's nothing you can do, that's just as pathetic if not more so. You're just a lazy fuck that's wasting time on a talkback when you need to find your own answers instead of bitching it's the countries fault you have zero drive to succeed.

  • June 1, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Herc... er, I mean "inglorious bastard"... I rest my case.

    by BILLY_BOOMSTICK

  • June 1, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST

    micturatingbenjamin?

    by Craig2574

    According to research there are more independents out than than liberals or conservatives.

  • http://www.gallup.com/poll/141032/2010-conservatives-outnumber-moderates-liberals.aspx

  • June 1, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST

    FUCK YOU HERC YOU LIBERAL HACK, SO SAYS CREEPYTHINMANLIVEZ!

    by Creepythinmanlivez

    FACT! OBAMA WILL LOSE! FACT! HA HA SICK GAYS CANNOT MARRY IN CALI, THE MOST LIBERAL STATE IN THE UNION! FACT! OBAMA HAS NOT DONE SHIT IN THE WHITE HOUSE! FACT!

  • Fox News didn't invent agenda-driven partisan bias, they only perfected it.

  • June 1, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Killing Osama will not get him elected!

    by Craig2574

    Its the economy and if McCain made the call to do this mission I am sure all you libs would be saying it will not help him out. You are correct @castor778 it can not be put all on Obama. What you are seeing now is payback from 2004 when Kerry blamed job losses on Bush. Paper pushers in DC is the problem. They keep on growing and growing. They will still be there if Romney wins.

  • June 1, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST

    castor778

    by superlaser

    Don't you know that everything good or bad that happens during a president's term is solely his fault?

  • June 1, 2012, 5 p.m. CST

    The Thing About Republicans

    by wrath 4771

    If the Republicans actually were for what they propose (small federal government, state rights, the belief that individuals can make an informed choice) I believe most Americans would be Republicans. However, the party of Nixon, Reagan and George H.W. Bush has been replaced by the party of Big Oil, Pharm, and Gawd. Now, that being said, saying that all conservatives are "retards" is just stupid. There are plenty of idiotic liberals out there as well. For 20 years I identified myself as a Republican moderate (fiscal conservative but a social liberal) until The Purge by the Tea Party started. You know both sides actually have some good ideas, its just unfortunate that partisanship states that the other side is full of "retards."

  • June 1, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Mean while on

    by Craig2574

    TVLINE MOVIELINE Dark Horizons Deadline They are actually giving out news!

  • June 1, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST

    @buckethead50

    by MrLongbaugh

    You care about a child when it is born, yet you want to kill all the old people. You are a riot!!! You should try being a stand-up comic.

  • June 1, 2012, 5:42 p.m. CST

    jackparasites you liar

    by shane peterson

    the GOP hasnt been progressive since the mid-'70's. Where the fuck you been?

  • June 1, 2012, 5:46 p.m. CST

    craig2574

    by Hercules

    Deadline would never ever EVER cover this story. Nor would Movieline or TVLine, which are part of the same company: http://www.deadline.com/interstitial/?ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.deadline.com%2F2012%2F05%2Ffox-and-friends-anti-obama-video-chris-white-producer%2F Dark Horizons is based Down Under, where Rupert Murdoch serves as its Dark Overlord.

  • June 1, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST

    yeah wrath 4771 because all that scary tea party stuff

    by shane peterson

    about cutting spending and reducing the debt probably scared the heck out of your supposed fiscal conservatism right? Get the fuck out and stay out.

  • June 1, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Only 703 posts?

    by Hercules

    Come on, fellows. You have hate enough to double that! Daddy needs a new Lexus! OK, back to my "Day of the Dove" Blu-ray.

  • man, i have been getting caught up on the tb...and needless to say...i dont drink on workout nights, but i think im going to make an exception tonight! besides the usual progressive fucking idiots on here we have Herc in SOOOPER MASSIVE, LYING, HYPOCRITICAL TOOL mode tonight LOL! but, HEY, Herc's 401k has *doubled*...thats ALL the evidence u need about the economy and how its *improved* under Obama.....man, u CANT make this shit up! where did i put my beer again???

  • June 1, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST

    slappybones

    by Hercules

    I started scaling out when the Dow was coming up on 12000. I'm about 80% in cash now, waiting for this current dip to sink a bit deeper.

  • June 1, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST

    craig2574

    by Hercules

    If you click on the links in that Deadline story you'll discover Deadline actually posted THREE stories related to the Fox News affair over the last few days. I think you want me to post two more to catch up! Don't you?? Cheeky monkey. Bum looker.

  • June 1, 2012, 6:12 p.m. CST

    shit my mutual fund started 5 years ago and

    by shane peterson

    it sure as shit hasnt doubled. Yeah it would have doubled if you got in on the bottom compared to today. But most people with 401ks have had them longer than a few years! Jesus Herc. Did you read the latest jobs report?

  • June 1, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST

    The Chris Matthews thing

    by Hercules

    Looks more like a mock movie trailer than Fox's attack ad to me. But that's me. It's certainly less misleading. Romney IS a mammoth hard-on, would you not agree?

  • June 1, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Romney is a used car salesman

    by shane peterson

  • June 1, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST

    I see what you did there with that day of the dove pic.

    by rakesh patel

  • June 1, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST

    US News begs to differ with you on Obama's spending

    by corvette63

    http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/06/01/president-obama-has-outspent-last-five-presidents

  • June 1, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Checking in

    by schadenfreudian

    You guys keep at it... it sounds like each side are pretty close to convincing the other. <br> Someone let me know when we start singing Kumbaya.

  • June 1, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST

    president-obama-has-outspent-last-five-presidents

    by Hercules

    I don't think that contradicts that graph. Note that the graph speaks of spending "growth," not total spending. Unless I'm missing something. I frequently do.

  • June 1, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Each side IS

    by schadenfreudian

    I mean...

  • June 1, 2012, 7:02 p.m. CST

    totalreality no, I agree

    by shane peterson

    Id rather have that too....to a point. But Romney is really, really stretching it. And let's not forget he's the GOP establishment's favored candidate. That scares me more than anything. Obummer and Romney will both continue to steer us in the wrong direction. But Romney will hopefully do it slower. Obummer is in a mad dash for insolvency and destruction of the middle class.

  • June 1, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST

    And the Truth Shall Set You Free...

    by MasterControlProgram

    Call it Poetic Justice. Here are links to today's wonderful news about this "stellar" economy according to Hercules: From Reuters "Unemployment goes up to 8.2%" http://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-growth-falters-may-123604088.html From NBC "Stock Markets Collapse" DOW drops 274 points! http://www.cnbc.com/id/47645265 From the UK Daily Mail "Europe is heading for 'danger zone' as world markets suffer bleakest day of the year so far" Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153324/Markets-facing-rerun-Great-Panic-2008-Head-World-Bank-warns-Europe-heading-danger-zone-bleakest-day-global-economy-year.html#ixzz1wahI12Wg http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153324/Markets-facing-rerun-Great-Panic-2008-Head-World-Bank-warns-Europe-heading-danger-zone-bleakest-day-global-economy-year.html Yes, things are looking wonderful in the United States and throughout the world. -- End of Line --

  • u bitch and moan about a TAKEN DOWN FNC ad, yet u totally fucking ignore the HOURS upon HOURS of Shultz's union thug backed partisan hackfest on the Walker Recall. fair and balanced eh? at least FNC HAVE liberals on EVERY show to add the said fair and balance. u know what the conservative to liberal ratio was during Shultz's shitfests against Walker to date?? 237 liberals/opponents to Walker to 1 conservative/supporter of Walker! FUCKING ONE! and ur bitching about a factual FNC ad?? i now add cowardice to ur many underwhelming qualities...u freaking progressive hack.

  • June 1, 2012, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Somebody's drunk posting

    by kesoze4

    And it ain't the AICN site visitors.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Wow you Obama haters are going to have an aneurysm...

    by ray a

    when he gets re-elected in the fall.

  • June 1, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST

    What kesoze4 said

    by jdb1972

    Man, the left grows increasingly desperate every day. Of course, the GOP is running a leftist as well, so nothing's going to change...

  • June 1, 2012, 8:23 p.m. CST

    jay2517

    by Hercules

    Look, I don't see Deadline or the NYTimes or any other media (even Fox News) doing a story about Ed Schultz today, do you? I'm pretty sure Ed and Rachel and Lawrence are all pretty upfront about their liberal biases. It's possible Fox News might not have caught so much shit this week if its slogan were "The Patriot's Network" or something instead of "Fair and Balanced." I could be wrong.

  • just because YOU (or any other progressive) dont agree with they way they are *fair and balanced* doesnt diminish the FACT that they are. their freaking slogan isnt *Equal And Shared Time for Every Liberal/Progressive Viewpoint* or *Fox News: Where Everything Is 50/50 Across The Board*. it is *Fair And Balanced* and they have ALWAYS adhered to that slogan. like i have said, they have liberal/progressive guests/viewpoints on EVERY show u partisan shill. for example... Fair- they always present a COUNTER guest/argument of a conservative/republican guest. FACT. thats is the very essence of being Fair. Balanced- taking the above facts and applying it to the ENTIRE 24 hour FNC news cycle, that is the Balance they champion. how can u and the rest of the progressive idiots on here dismiss this?? BTW- the reason FNC or anyone else doesnt do a story on that fuckface Shultz is because (like MSNBC) he is irrelevant. im just pointing out ir obvious hypocrisy and bias. BTW2- *I'm pretty sure Ed and Rachel and Lawrence are all pretty upfront about their liberal biases.*--- and this is RELEVANT HOW?? so, ur saying its ok for them to run HOURLY prime time shows DAILY akin to the FNC 4 minute ad?? and THATS ok in ur book?? like i said...ur a hypocrite and a progressive hack. OWN UP TO IT...

  • June 1, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST

    The Truth

    by Dennis Swainston

    People, we are at the "End of Days". Don't let emotion and bias cloud the facts. The world is in financial meltdown. It's already started in Europe and will spread around the world. We (the world) have written checks that we cannot cash.. "Wars and rumors of wars" "We stand on the edge of a knife" Get you life and your house in order. Be good to each other. "as for me and my house, we will trust the Lord."

  • June 1, 2012, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Not fair Castor778.

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    Many people have gotten hired through nepotism, affirmative action, or who they know. Most people aren't hired on for their own personal merits. Believe me, I've gone to plenty of stores such as Home Depot where the employees are borderline retards that don't know their own ass from a hole in the ground. And many others just aren't cut out for running any sort of business. I admit it, I've never been good at math or selling for that matter. The only decent talent I have is for crafting decent stories and believe you me, I've been trying to get that work sold. But this country has PLENTY of money for the protection of Israel. Just wait until Obama starts the bombing of Iran once he beats out Romney this November.

  • June 1, 2012, 10:04 p.m. CST

    My favorite Fox News move

    by Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad

    Was when they "accidentally" put (d) next to Larry "Wide Stance" Craig's name after he got busted trying to get some men's room love. see also Mark Foley and Arlen Specter. Doing childish shit like that killed their credibility to me.

  • June 1, 2012, 10:15 p.m. CST

    At least Fox is honest about being biased

    by Hail Ants

    The phrase 'Fair & Balanced' is a thinly veiled dig at the fact that, until they came along, every single TV network news station was pathetically liberal. CNN, CNBC, ABC they're all a million times farther to the left then Fox is to the right. And that's just a fact...

  • June 1, 2012, 10:50 p.m. CST

    No...

    by tstone

    ...that is not a fact. That is a right wing meme.

  • But you'll feel so much better if you look it up yourself. The point is that you can get the liberal point of view on every single other media outlet in the country and the one single channel that is like 60/40 conservative and you freak out. So, are you saying the conservative point of view should get ZERO outlet at all in the media, ever? Really?

  • June 1, 2012, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Stock market doubling ... it would have to!

    by ReportAbuse

    2008 was a multi-year low. It had to almost double just to get back to where it was before the financial crash. Blame it on Bush if you like, but he's not running this year. It would have bounced back even under McCain, due to technicals. Take real and predicted inflation into account (which the market is somewhat predicting) and a lot of that increase is dubious. The market took a big hit Friday and this past quarter (Q1) it's down 10%. The GDP was also revised downward. Jobs numbers are dismal: "just 69,000 jobs added last month, unemployment clmbing to 8.2% and the ranks of the long-term unemployed swelling by 300,000. If the Obama administration hadn't slashed the numbers looking for jobs, unemployment would be 10.9 per cent." (http://ht.ly/bjdJH). Those numbers do not make for good re-election chances for the incumbent. I wouldn't be surprised if further stimulus is required, probably in the form of quantitative easing (i.e. making money appear out of nowhere), meaning higher inflation. Capt. Zero and his Merry Banksters had control of the Congress till the 2010 midterms, all they had to show for it was the disastrous Obamacare debacle which nobody can yet figure out exactly what it all entails. If the Supreme Court strikes out a part of it this month, all that work and bullying to pass it will have been for nought. Even if I were a supporter of Zero I'd be a little pissed right now ... all those promises that never came to pass (closing Gitmo? ending wars vs. starting new ones? the endless see-sawing on homosexual marriage?), he has all the negatives that Bush had and his base is cracking. He's been having to throw bones to his base just to shore it up, which does not bode well for him at this late date. I'll give him credit for killing Bin Laden (with a little help from the Seals, 'natch). Unfortunately for him, it came too early. Had he done it right around this time, or even later this year, it might've helped his reelection chances a lot more. http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/31/q1-gdp-revised-downward-to-1-9/ http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/01/investing/stocks-markets/index.htm

  • BOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!

  • hows there *credibility* to u?? *accidentally* edited?? *childish* that MSNBC and NBC wanted to cause RACIAL riots and INCREASE racial animosity??? and DONT forget the racist race baiter *Resist We Much* Al Sharpton of MSNBC for being the magaphone of racial hypocrisy...

  • June 2, 2012, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Republictards are drinking the same koolaid that the Democratards are drinking.

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    No real proof that Osama Bin Ladin has been killed. Only what the corporate press has informed us of. And even that is dubious at best.

  • I mean I agree with him, but you know this stuff is guaranted to top the talkback charts for a couple days.

  • June 2, 2012, 2:43 a.m. CST

    You know who I like?

    by solvseus

    The policies of that Nixon fella. Except for the whole paranoid illegally breaking into stuff thing, but a lot of the rest. Nowadays that makes me a far left communist apparently. Even been accused of that when supporting something Reagan has done or supported. So I guess I'll be voting for that moderate Republican Obama instead of that guy that used to pretend to be moderate but went batshit because the far right has taken over. I know... socialism, Ayers, Rev Wright, whatevs. But one look at his actual policies and practices claim otherwise. Spin is stupid. Happens on the left too, but they're bad at it, and it's WAY worse on the right. Just is, deal. I'm disappointed too, but we got ineffective and terrible running, so I choose ineffective. And don't say Ron Paul, because no. Seriously, just no. I know you like that he wants to end the wars and let you smoke pot, but the rest is crazy. Crazier than the TP crazy. No man is an island, stop being selfish pricks and pay the bills you guys ran up. Doesn't have a chance anyway. Granted, they raise my taxes they better fix the damn streets and hire my Mother the teacher back. Seriously, we're already having to pay back what Reagan and W and the GOP ran up on the credit card I want to actually get something for my money. I'm ok paying with because that's the price of living in a society. So should the rest of you with your record low taxes. I know, you want the 47% who have no money even if they're working or disabled or retired to pay for it all, but the job creators aren't despite the record low taxes after all the credits and dodges they get, so you can pay as much as I do and if you want to live in this society you take it bitches, you take it and you like it.

  • June 2, 2012, 3:03 a.m. CST

    jay2517 - MSNBC's edited footage

    by solvseus

    MSNBC sux, but the person who did that was fired and they apologized. As well they should have, just the type of yellow journalism people hate from the other side. Definitely not tolerated from the moderate left. This is the first time I can recall Fox actually doing the same. They edit all the time, several examples come to mind, while claiming to be Fair And Balanced. Liberals and moderates don't like that, conservatives seem to be ok with people telling them what to believe, even if it's wrong. Look at the recent studies done showing NPR and the Daily Show are the best places to get your news, while it would be better to not watch anything than watch Fox and listen to people like Limbaugh. For the record, Chris Matthews has defended republicans before (W, Rudy 9u11ani, Fred Thompson)... he just loves the game. Scarborough was a GOP Congressman. Fox has who, Shep? Left media sux, but right media is worse. Which is where some of you are getting your facts unfortunately. You can have your own opinions, not your own facts. Hint: anytime you see anyone using an -ism (socialism, communism, fascism, you don't know what those terms meanism) they're probably wrong. FACE!

  • I'm Dutch and FOX is my favorite comedy channel!

  • June 2, 2012, 5:10 a.m. CST

    DEATH to FOX News! DEATH to the GOP!

    by uberfreak

  • Religion It's THE problem. It starts by indoctrination. I believe it was the Roman ruler, Constantine that produced the Bible. The Bible was written to control and it has worked ever since. That Jesus fella never existed. No, not even a guy that had great influence. The first written piece about him is 80 years after his supposed death, his fictional death from the stories. Jesus also shares a birthday with the other mythical figures:Mithra, Zeus/Jupiter, Horus, Attis, Dionysus, Adonis, Tammuz, Hercules, Perseus, Bacchus, Apollo, Helios, and Sol Invictus -- whose birthdays are also on the old winter solstice of December 25, when the sun is “reborn.” It's a problem that people are indoctrinated to believe this stuff because they become puppets that way and guess what News Station the puppets watch? FOX NEWS These politicians (mainly Republican/Conservative hence the name, "Christian Conservative") control these dumbass people. These people throw their money and support towards these politicians so that the politicians make all the decisions on controlling this country. Like giving all money to their big business like Oil and Pharmaceutical departments. It's corruption. The big problem is the poisoning of food, water, air, life, knowledge, etc. in order to reap profits. This is why we have war. This is why we are struggling to advance in everything that is knowledgeable. Notice how they are trying to use the excuse of movie pirates to take total control of the internet. Notice how they are taking the "leaking" of information that reveals the true intentions of our own corrupt government in order to scare people into supporting their views on how there should be more monitoring and control over the most important tool that has spread knowledge in our society today: The internet. The same "leaked" information would not have been widely known anyway if it weren't for the mass media. Wouldn't that make the media more to blame by highlighting this so called "problem"? It's not a problem, its a solution, a spotlight on the weakness and corruption of our government. Yet, corporations that own the media also own the government and its all an orchestration to take control. I'll end this post here because I don't want it to seem less appealing to those who don't feel like reading. Kind of like how the news conveniently tells you what information it wants you to know without you having to look into anything yourself. Religion also rings a bell in this area.

  • June 2, 2012, 6:26 a.m. CST

    So Herc brags about his 401K...

    by eveelcapitalist

    Then the next day the Dow Jones Industrial Average takes a shit and the unemployment rate goes up to 8.2%. How do ya like them apples, Herc?

  • June 2, 2012, 8:04 a.m. CST

    I LIKE HOW XEN11'S ANTI-RELIGION TIRADE DOESN'T MENTION THE KOR'AN OR TORAH

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

  • June 2, 2012, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Obama Spending....A More Accurate Chart

    by MasterControlProgram

    Herc.. Here is a link to a US News article referencing a presidential spending chart made by a non-partisan group. This is a more accurate and correct chart. And it shows the truth. Obama has outspent the last five presidents. http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/06/01/president-obama-has-outspent-last-five-presidents Once again, The truth shall set you free. -- End of Line--

  • June 2, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST

    I don't agree with everything that Obama has done...

    by elsachmo

    But could never vote for a Republican who is going to use the government to force their religious beliefs down everyone's throats under penalty of law and who wants to legislate all our private lives. That's the scariest form of big government I can ever imagine. Plus, they caused the economic and employment crises, so why would any person in their right mind put the same people back in charge? Anybody that expected Obama to be able to fix all of this in only 4 years knows absolutely nothing about government. Especially since the GOP Congress has done everything they could to prevent him from helping the nation in the slightest. All so they can regain power. It's despicable.

  • June 2, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Awesome talkback

    by Mark

    It continues to show that as a species we pick a side and defend it no matter what. On TV a well constructed argument is good enough to change ones opinion. In reality people can be killed, whole countries can collapse or be saved and people will still defend 'their side' no matter what. Here's an opinion from over the pond. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/9292149/American-Way-Why-Barack-Obama-now-has-a-battle-on-his-hands-for-the-2012-election.html

  • June 2, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST

    LOUD NOISES!!!

    by adeceasedfan

  • ...WHERE was his article and OUTRAGE about the racially edited MSNBC 911 call?? he didnt have one because that goes against his narrative. its PLAIN to see. FNC *does it all the time*? ok show us. and NO ONE is saying that they do NOT want to pay any taxes, its that the government should MANAGE the already outrageous taxes they have coming in already. NO ONE gets to ask their boss for a raise just because they spent more of their money than they had coming in that month. quit being ignorant. *Liberals and moderates don't like that, conservatives seem to be ok with people telling them what to believe, even if it's wrong.*--- that is complete BULLSHIT. and u say people arent entitled to their own facts? practice what u preach buddy. *...studies showing....Daily Show...best place to get ur news...*--- are u on crack? the DS is NOT news! its comedy! u DO know that right? thats how Stewart can get away with saying all his stupid shit. *oh im a comedian!* c'mon man! *For the record, Chris Matthews has defended republicans before...*--- man, apparently u dont watch HardBall. Matthews is a total Obama/progressive shill. what that has to do with defending a republican/conservative is news to everyone. hes a HACK. *Fox has who, Shep?*--- and MSNBC has NO ONE thats a conservative host on their programs. NO ONE. u need to watch MSNBC if ur going to argue this rhetoric. Scar is a RINO, he wouldnt have a show on MSNBC if he wasnt. *Left media sux, but right media is worse.*--- yep, u ARE on crack. there IS no *right media*. ONE channel does not make up *right media*. oh, u mean talk radio also? to hear progressives tell it, its irrelevant and meaningless UNTIL its NOT and they vilify them THEN its *oh how influential* talk radio IS!! which is it lol?? *Which is where some of you are getting your facts unfortunately. You can have your own opinions, not your own facts.*--- nope. i get my facts from facts. thats the cool thing about facts. they're facts :) now, put down that pipe, buddy!

  • ...WHEREVER that may be, u sad, bigoted fuck.

  • June 2, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST

    jay2517

    by hst666

    You are basically proving Solveus' point and ignoring the facts to maintain your belief. The fact is people who watch MSNBC and TDS are much more informed than the average Fox viewer and people who did not watch any news were more informed than the average Fox viewer. This has been borne out in at least two studies. The fact is Fox has made and/or aired many more deceptively edited pieces and outright untruths than NBC or MSNBC. It's not even close. And NBC actually apologized for the editing done in the Trayvon case. When was the last time Fox apologized for anything. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.

  • June 2, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST

    jay2517

    by solvseus

    No, Herc didn't have an article on it. He claims to be a republican and is talking about other republicans. There was outrage though, especially from the left. The person responsible was fired and the network apologized. You want examples of Fox doing such things, I can give you a long list and source them. Could probably do the same for MSNBC, again they are terrible, but as noted no one watches them. Very few people in any sort of power rely on them for their news, unlike Fox and Limbaugh which people do. And outrageous taxes? Tax rates are the lowest they've been in decades. Have been since W lowered them, during 2 wars and an increase in spending. Just like Reagan increased spending. At least the left wants to pay for things. You guys seem to think you can have everything you want but don't have to pay for it, while talking about cutting spending, no matter who it hurts if you actually do. There is plenty of waste in gov, but that's not what's being cut right now. The GOP has their pork too, and yet they want to cut revenue. Meanwhile, numerous companies and people in upper tax brackets are paying little to no taxes and we are getting little if anything for it. But you want the people on the low end to pay more while they are being paid less and less, especially adjusted for inflation. Pay them a decent wage (the ones who aren't disabled, unemployed, retired, etc) and they'll pay more in taxes. Lowering the corporate and upper income taxes and hoping it trickles down from the job creators who are not creating jobs while somehow thinking it will lower the deficit and national debt run up mostly by the right is ignorant. No one watches MSNBC. No one listens to Air America. Fox and right wing talk radio are popular. People actually listen to them and rely on them for their information. Even if it's incorrect. According to several studies, this is because far right conservatives want an authoritarian figure to tell them what they want to hear. Moderates don't seek out the news or want some lefty talking head telling them what to think. That was what I was talking about. Liberals go to sites like DailyKos. I don't like them either, but I don't know enough about them to criticize. I'm sure sites like that are just as bad as Drudge. I realize the Daily Show is comedy, but again, people who watch it are almost as informed as those who listen to NPR. Which is much more accurate than Fox, especially the opinion shows. Don't blame me for saying it, blame Fox for misleading people (ie: Hannity saying we found WMDs in Iraq). If they were more factual the studies done wouldn't be saying people who watch it are less informed than those who don't pay attention to the news at all. Believe it or don't, peer reviewed studies with evidence to back it up says all I need to know. Again, MSNBC opinion shows suck too, but again, no one watches them so who cares. Matthews defended a speech W gave, criticizing Dems for ruining his "Atticus Finch moment". Admittedly it was a decent speech, especially for him, but it's one of many examples that disprove what you're trying to say. He also said Fred Thompson looked like he "smelled Presidential" and raved about Rudy Guiliani as a hero more than Obama's leg tingling. I've seen clips, I've seen him on other shows, he just likes the game. Trying to find that clip where he argues against raising taxes during a recession just brings up a Family Guy gag, but it's happened. Maybe he's just unhappy about how crazy the far right has gotten lately dominating the GOP, like I have. Like Scarborough has. You may not like him for being critical of his party the way Herc is, but it doesn't change the fact that he was voted into office as an (R) and still considers himself conservative. Just like Obama is a Dem, but nowhere near as far left as some of you keep saying. Call me when a former Dem politician has his own show on Fox, including someone from the DLC. Right wing media is worse. It just is. I don't know what to tell you. Fox, talk radio, right leaning websites, newspapers, it's out there, it exists, and it's worse. And people follow it, way more than the so called liberal media, that as you all keep pointing out no one watches, reads, or listens to. Jon Stewart may be comedy, but at least he's honest about it. I can take him or leave him. Limbaugh is an entertainer, but he is taken far more seriously. I wish the left listened to Stewart, as he seems to follow economics and politics closely. His take down of Bloomberg's overreach with the soda ban was epic, as he will take down the left sometimes when they deserve it (see the edited MSNBC video). The right listens to Limbaugh, and Fox. They put it all out there, repeating it even when they are wrong, until it becomes a valid argument. Sometimes the only argument. Even if it's an outright lie and everyone knows it. Obama hasn't raised taxes, a 3rd of the stimulus was tax cuts. Oil production is at an all time high. He's done nothing to stop gun rights. Rev Wright was a Marine. Ayers was never convicted of a crime. These are just a few examples off the top of my head. I'm sure you could list MSNBC's or Air America's, but again, no one cares about them. I'm sure I could list more, but I kinda don't want to because I'm probably just wasting my time. And since my time is worthless these days, that's pretty bad. Maybe you can accuse me of being on crack again, I'm sure that makes sense in your world somehow. You are such a master debater.

  • June 2, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    i ignore NO facts hst666, why do u?

    by jay2517

    that *study* is crap and u know it. why must progressives cling to that? they asked 5 questions to 1,185 people. FIVE FUCKING QUESTIONS. thats one HELL of a methodology. and since ur clinging to that debunked *study*, why dont u tell people where MSNBC viewers finished?? they finished SECOND to last. so, i wouldnt tout that MSNBC viewers any any more *informed* than FNC's u dumb truck. and besides, i wouldnt trust a universities *study* on intelligence that finished 585th out of 650 US colleges. *sigh*. and i'll ask again, please show us some examples of FNC *edited pieces*. and one more time....TDS is NOT freaking NEWS! its a comedy show. ignorance abounds today lol...

  • June 2, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST

    OBAMA: "IF I HAD A BROTHER HE WOULD LOOK LIKE RUDY EUGENE."

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

  • June 2, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST

    wow, slov....u are out there.

    by jay2517

    where to begin? yeesh... taxes- we are already taxed to extremely. why must people like u just include whats taken out of ur check or what I pay in?? u have state, local, property, gas, food etc. taxes and on and on. we are taxed WELL over 50% of our income! thats TOO MUCH. why must the government insist we live within our means yet THEY DO NOT. they get enough from us and thats a FACT. wake up. keep harping about the rich. it means nothing. why must u insist on class warfare and punishing successful people?? if i hear fucking *fair share* one more time.... informed- PLEASE. dont brag about *studies*. just...dont. it fails every time. as with the *fox viewers are less informed* study i just debunked, u can rig ANY study. u just cant stand that liberalism is NOT what America is or wants. ever wonder WHY conservatism is more popular? yeesh. the real world cannot be *studied*. try living in it one day. matthews- ? again, what does Matthews saying something nice about a (R) have to do with him being a political hack and Obama shill?? i think u missed the point of my post. and again, just because u have a (R) next to ur name means noting...Herc is a PRIME example. right wing media is worse- again, there is NO *right wing media*. and what are they worse at? being successful?? like i have said, there is a REASON no one watches MSNBC and why AA FAILED. the majority does not want progressive ideals! again, ONE fucking news channel is NOT *right wing media*. u claim of *right wing* websites and papers, but the LEFT outnumber them. good lord man. *Obama hasn't raised taxes,*--- ObamaCare IS a tax u moron. *Oil production is at an all time high.*--- and is being shipped OUT of the US. *He's done nothing to stop gun rights.*--- WHY should he?? *Rev Wright was a Marine.* SO? and he's an American hating racist. wow... *Ayers was never convicted of a crime.*--- now, i cannot take anything u post seriously anymore. u are truly a lost person. this insanity u just posted has officially boggled the ol cranium. it may not be crack ur on, but it def. IS something. i suggest u try reality...

  • June 2, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST

    "Let the illegals vote him in"

    by Novaman5000

    LOL. I love that people actually believe illegals can vote. You bought that GOP turd hook, line and sinker.

  • Taxed well over 50% of our income? What sort of fucked up math are you doing?! If you're paying over 50% of your income in taxes then you need to get a new fucking accountant or treat yourself to a copy of TurboTax because fuck dude, you're doing it wrong. There are corporations that pay an effective federal tax rate of 0 or near 0%. Is that ok, in your opinion, that a company that makes billions every year gives NOTHING back to the government? Is it punishing success to say that these corporations should have to pay taxes like everyone else does? You do know what taxes are for... right? And if conservatism is more popular, why did Obama win by a landslide in 2008?

  • Call him a RINO if you want but you'd simply be ignoring facts.

  • June 2, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Oh look, 1st Ammendment for some not for all!

    by Stanley Ann Dunham

    http://www.therightplanet.com/2012/06/outrage-marine-vet-arrested-for-speaking-his-mind-at-dem-rally/ Yup by looking at all the open minded tolerant lefties postings on here and this video, seems this country is gone already. Welcome to the People's Republic Of States.

  • Because the party of chaos, race baiting, social deconstruction and "change" realize they need poor, easily manipulated illegals to get elected. http htpolitics.com/2012/ 06/01/feds-order- florida-to-halt-voter-purge/

  • June 2, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Herc you are still an idiot

    by Craig2574

    Deadline covers all sides of the story. They talked about Ed S, Rachel Madow, BillyO postive or negative. Garth is a professorial unlike you and he would never ever allow posts to occur as you do in here. You posted an aticle that is just as biased as anything on FOX with Obama talking points. You ignore the factor of population growth. You ignore the market was oversold a few years back because everyone was in a panic and that both sides actually worked on TARP together. You ignore that after TARP was passed they baselined that money into the budget everyone with the stimulus so that there is now a stimulus every year! Both sides are now acting like masterminds thinking they what is best for American's but keep on talking about Sarah Palin, SNL and FNC because that is what you do quite a bit. I am done with this site and this will be the article I will post on and as soon as the traffic dies down on this post I will be sure not to come back here. I would rather get my news from Garth and deadline. She might post stuff like this there but she goes after both sides. When ever someone challenges you with facts you ignore them.This is nothing but a troll post in order to get more hits also!

  • June 2, 2012, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Another reason this site sucks

    by Craig2574

    You can not edit your posts if you see you made an error. You are stuck in the 90's and yes Deadline has that problem to but since she actually has good content there I will put up with it!

  • June 2, 2012, 8:15 p.m. CST

    BARACK OBAMA IS THE ULTIMATE ILLEGAL ALIEN

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

  • June 2, 2012, 8:23 p.m. CST

    jay2517: Who gives a shit about MSNBC?

    by Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad

    I'm not a liberal and I've only watched it once in I think 2004 to check out Keith Olberman, wow was he a douche. I still on occasion would watch FNC after they started with the little kiddie garbage and then completely stopped watching when they became slaves to the Tea Party zombies. I'm proud to say I'm no longer a tool that worships one political party.

  • June 2, 2012, 9:01 p.m. CST

    No one has debunked the Marketwatch Graph?

    by scottryfun

    Like, maybe, the AP? http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/fact-check-obama-claim-of-thrifty-spending-falls-short-of-reality-bailout-skewers-numbers/2012/05/26/gJQA8fgzrU_story.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-facts-about-the-growth-of-spending-under-obama/2012/05/24/gJQAIJh6nU_blog.html http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielmitchell/2012/05/24/mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-which-president-is-the-biggest-spender-of-all/

  • June 2, 2012, 10:15 p.m. CST

    An Economy Built to Stall (WSJ)

    by ReportAbuse

    The weakest economic recovery since World War II has become weaker still, sinking into a spring slowdown for the third year in a row. Are we finally ready to debate a change in the policies that have led to this pass? On Thursday the government reported that growth in the first quarter was 1.9%, even weaker than the 2.2% initial estimate. Then Friday delivered the third slower jobs report in a row, which qualifies as a depressing trend. Employers created only 69,000 net new jobs in May, and April's total was revised down to 77,000 jobs. Stocks were crushed in the backwash. The jobless rate of 8.2% marks more than three years of unemployment at or above 8%, despite an economy that ostensibly emerged from recession in July 2009. The rare good news is that the overall labor market expanded with 642,000 new entrants, and the labor force participation rate rose to 63.8% from 63.6% in April. ... The bad news is that 63.8% is still about two percentage points (three million fewer workers) below the modern norm. Even worse is the news that hours worked declined slightly, hourly earnings were up only 0.1%, and hourly earnings on a year to year basis are up a meager 1.7%. All of this means that income growth after inflation is stagnant. The White House blamed the third slowdown of its term on Republicans for blocking the President's policies, but what policies are they talking about? In his first two years in office, Democrats gave Mr. Obama everything he wanted, save for cap and trade and union card-check, which would have done even more harm to job creation. They passed stimulus, ObamaCare, multiple housing bailouts, Dodd-Frank and more. Even after Republicans took the House, they gave Mr. Obama the payroll tax holiday he demanded first for 2011 and again for 2012. Far from some new fiscal "austerity," overall federal spending hasn't declined. Meanwhile, the Federal Reserve has delivered monetary stimulus after stimulus—QE I, QE II, Operation Twist, and 42 months of near-zero interest rates with the promise of 30 months more. Mr. Obama has had the freest run of policy of any President since LBJ. So maybe the problem is the policies. On Friday, the same architects who designed this economy built to stall were calling for one more rescue by the Fed. Gold jumped more than $60 an ounce, suggesting that markets believe that Bernanke will oblige with some version of QE III. But the lesson of the last four years is that easier money can provide at most a temporary reprieve from otherwise rotten policies. Markets rally for a time, but then they fade when the money-fix is withdrawn. http://tinyurl.com/d56zlfx

  • June 2, 2012, 10:23 p.m. CST

    slov?

    by solvseus

    Clever, still a master debater I see. If you're paying anywhere near 50% for even all of that, you need to fire your accountant. Here's a hint, the average actual tax rate at the top was 16.7%. Not including those corporations that made billions in profits but not only didn't pay taxes but actually got money back. Taxes are the lowest in decades. It's a fact, I don't know what to tell you. And yet you want them lower. Despite all evidence showing that will do nothing but increase the deficit and income inequality. We are actually trying austerity measure, my parents are both teachers and can tell you that. They are not working. If we weren't, unemployment would be a full percentage point lower. Economists say you spend during a recession, as we see in EU cutting back causes double dip. Happened in the 30s too. Any good businessman can tell you that you need to invest and spend money to make money long term. Cut backs are unsustainable and only help in the short term, if that. And if you have a problem with the debt, stop voting for republicans who spend like drunken sailors while cutting taxes like they all want to do. Like the Ryan plan. Costs money over time, and the people on the bottom will be hurting even more, as will the ever shrinking middle class. Maybe you're ok with that. I am not. I'd rather cut some of the bloated defense budget and spend on much need infrastructure. Again, like the economists are saying we should. Class warfare is the rich getting richer and wanting even more, while the poor and middle class are the only ones making the sacrifices and being asked to make more. Not going to bother with Matthews and Scar, apparently you're so far to the right everyone is far left to you, including someone who praises the right and someone who was actually a Republican congressman. Reagan would be too far left to you too I guess. I'm guessing a lot of that majority of republicans you think there are would be too. MSNBC still sucks though, I don't know why you seem to think I'm defending them. Maybe put down that crack pipe you think I have. I know, everyone else is far left too. And because Stewart makes jokes he's automatically discounted, but Limbaugh and Fox (the rightwing that does exist but doesn't) are fair and balanced. Got it. Keep making the random insults though, really proves your point as the master debater you are.

  • June 2, 2012, 10:52 p.m. CST

    reportabuse

    by solvseus

    Obama half assed it the first part of his term. It took awhile for Franken to get in, then Kennedy died and was replaced by Browne. He could have fought harder, but between that and the conservaDems voting with the GOP to block everything, not as much got done as you'd think. Dems aren't exactly organized, fighting amongst themselves, wasting time and compromising to everything. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are not good negotiators. You never start from the middle and end up giving up the ship to people who will still not support you. Economists said the stimulus should have been bigger, and less in tax cuts. Obamacare is a compromise that was the right's old personal responsibility counter to the left's public option for all. Plus, most of it hasn't started yet and won't until 2014. Healthcare costs were already climbing, this didn't stop that. It's a long term plan that doesn't come close to going as far as it's accused of. The same could be said of oil. There was a temporary moratorium after the spill, but nothing big was done to plan for long term. Oil production is at an all time high, all the right can say is that we should drill more. Solyndra was a bad investment, but we need to do something and much like education and infrastructure the smart investing we need just isn't there. We cut, then toss a little money around here and there, then say it isn't working and cut some more. That's where austerity comes in. Even in liberal states they are cutting back as the stimulus goes and deficits grow. It isn't working though, as we see in EU it just makes it worse. The right's solution is killing unions, cutting public workers, and giving more tax cuts to those at the top and corporations who are not creating jobs, instead hoarding money and continuing to make cuts themselves. The Fed is pumping money in to the banks at no interest, yet they are still playing around with it and not lending. When they do, it's at higher rates. People already don't want to spend, that isn't helping. This after W bailed them out. The right didn't want oversight, they got what they wanted now we all complain about it. What little regulation we've been trying to push isn't going through either. Dodd-Frank has been completely watered down and isn't even in play at this point. The Volcker rule would have helped against JPMorganChase's recent stupidity, but they are fighting against it tooth and nail and even the Dems aren't talking about it. Obama's payroll compromise didn't help anything either, and neither did the continuation of the Bush tax cuts in exchange for extending unemployment, which is now going away. There are no jobs because there are no customers because wages at the bottom and middle have stagnated while costs have gone up. After a small boost that was mismanaged local gov is cutting back too. So those at the top hoard, which isn't helping anyone. And we all sit around talking about how we should cut taxes more, spend even more on defense, cut something else that no one will name because when Ryan tried he was lambasted (as well he should have been, his plan ADDED to the deficit) that won't save any money but will hurt those already hurting and more than likely make things worse overall. We should be listening to economists, but we aren't and wonder why a short term half assed recovery effort led to a half assed short term recovery. Was still worse under W and a GOP majority that could actually get things done.

  • June 2, 2012, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Why is this subject on here?

    by tubbyhodges24

    Herc, while I have enjoyed your commentary in the past, I think this should be saved for your Facebook page. At the top of this site I see, "Ain't it Cool News: The best in movie, TV, DVD, and comic book news." Don't kid yourself...you write commentary on entertainment...you are not a JOURNALIST! If you think otherwise, you're sadly mistaken. What you write is NOT hard news.

  • June 2, 2012, 11:22 p.m. CST

    The real unemployment rate is at least 22%. FACT!

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    http://trenchpress.com/?p=12406 I imagine that the media will start actually covering the vast homeless camps dotting this jacked up country if Obama is voted out of office this November.

  • June 3, 2012, 12:36 a.m. CST

    solv...er...i mean solv (that better??)....

    by jay2517

    ...ur a idiot. plain and simple. like i have said, if u dont consider Ayers a criminal, ur totally a lost soul. anything u post is drivel. ur lost man...

  • June 3, 2012, 12:39 a.m. CST

    nova- its ALL the taxes ADDED together u idiot...

    by jay2517

    ...and its WELL over 50% of what u earn, dumbass! get ur head out of the sand!

  • June 3, 2012, 12:42 a.m. CST

    oh yea...Obama won by a *landslide*?? really?

    by jay2517

    ...then WHY are the Dems worried about *swing states" idiot? winning by a *landslide* would mean a VAST MAJORITY of something....

  • June 3, 2012, 12:44 a.m. CST

    mel gibson--- good for u then :)

    by jay2517

  • June 3, 2012, 12:48 a.m. CST

    solvzeus makes a good case for Romney

    by ReportAbuse

    Since Zero's main re-election pitch seems to be the equivalent of "the dog ate my homework!" He's got nothin'.

  • June 3, 2012, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Obamacare / ACA

    by ReportAbuse

    It was specifically designed so that the (govt) revenue-enhancing parts came into effect immediately (thus falsely making the budget numbers look temporarily good), while the alleged bennies don't fully come into effect until '14. IOW, the biggest part of the financial and logistical clusterfuck has yet to take place.

  • June 3, 2012, 2:40 a.m. CST

    It's been

    by Chairman_Kaga

    EPIC!

  • June 3, 2012, 7:35 a.m. CST

    THE ONLY CONSTITUTION THIS FORMER HARVARD LAW PROFESSOR RESPECTS IS THE KENYAN ONE

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

  • Yet another fine example of Liberal hypocrisy at work, like Uberfreak calling homosexuals "fags". Liberals were overjoyed when Obama took office, so they no longer had to feign respect or admiration for our troops.

  • He only got about 52% of the vote. Anyway, that has nothing to do with what will happen this time, now that Obama has a record...

  • But, you bring up a good point. Alot of liberals here LOVE to assign motivations here to their political opponents that they can't possibly know or back up. It's very easy to be set in your ideas so much that the only way to rationalize someone disagreeing with you is to pretend they are evil...

  • June 3, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST

    no gnus is good gnus with gary gnu

    by kenisgod1

  • Because we are Ameicans first, and we are all in it together for the long haul - please try to remember to respect the fact that we are all Americans (at least the American readers!) and try to refrain from mindlessly attacking your fellow Americans just because you vote differently And remember, if you are not Americam remember the person you want to attack is a fellow human being, not some alien trying to destroy the Earth we all love our country and want what is best for it- try to keep it civil guys and at least stick to the politics without nedding to demonstrate hate or personal criuticism based on your beleifs- But, this is AICN and being civil, I guess, is not part of many of you guys anonymous hate-filled rants Oh well, try to do unto others, blah blah blah- like anyone will actually listen- wonder who will be the first to attack me personally for asking you guys to not attack people personally- must be fun to need to vent such rage - next time you need to attack someone because you just have a different opinion- go out and take a walk, or do some exercises - and none of that rage will matter, and you will feel much better than just hating on someone anonymously And then there's Maude.....

  • June 3, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Herc is the kind of person who praises the autobahn during the holocaust.

    by ChocolateJeebus

    'Cause, you know, he can afford a BMW and drive really fast. Fuck all those people who have it worse off because of Dear Leader.

  • get a grip try to have a little more fun in your life- because you are pegged as meaningless by both sides here - some one to be embarrassed to read

  • June 3, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST

    804 posts and counting ...

    by Hercules

    "Why doesn't Herc GET that readers don't want to discuss politics on Ain't It Cool??"

  • June 3, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Here's the truth

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Since 9/11 the number of crimes committed daily by America's corporations & politicians has increased so dramatically that no one - & no single agency - is able to feel adequately informed. During this era of runaway mob scheming & proliferation I've read 25 & usually more serious news articles daily, which is the minimum number that must be examined & absorbed to enable more than a glimmer of the magnitude & scope of the criminality. In the early months of George W. Bush's institutionalization of Federal Government as Mob Operation it was apparent that the people of the nation were under the spell of a psychopathic cult leader who, unlike the usual religious con men - say, Jim Jones, David Koresh, L. Ron Hubbard, Ayn Rand or the convicted felon, Joseph Smith - had at his disposal & command the whole vast apparatus of the empire's instruments for social control, including the police, army, legal system, churches, news press & television media. And of course the oligarchs & their executives (Bush's peers by birthright) were anxious to steal all that they could while the taking was easy ... & very easy it became, & very easy it still is. Habeas corpus was taken away from us, as was posse comitatus. The Watergate criminal, ex-Admiral John Poindexter, was appointed to create Total Information Awareness, a DARPA program designed to spy on all citizens at all hours, which when public outcries arose against it was disbanded but instantly replaced here & there in various other government agencies, such as the CIA & NSA, in which agencies it grew like flies multiplying in a dung heap, as indeed it continues to do, most recently with drones supplied to local police forces, able to identify & track a milk carton from 60,000 feet above the earth. Again, under Mob Boss Bush, the capitalists joined in, & we became & are still spied upon by our telephone & internet servers, & banks, which collect & dispense the history of our once private individual activities & behaviors from birth to our death. Cameras serving police record our passage from Starbuck's to Sears. Like all people caught up in cults, we came to believe that all of this is as it must & should be, & we silently conform to it, as do trained dogs to their masters. The deep function of what has happened is this: The wages we receive & the taxes we pay must all be instantly given up to the superrich. Our physical health is a commodity owned by the superrich, not us. Likewise, our welfare is owned by the aristocrats, not by us. In a few short years, for instance, student debt was made to exceed the nation's credit card debt - our children, in other words, were sold into debt peonage, & this is enforced by new law that says the children must pay it even after filing bankruptcy, & even in old age by garnishment from Social Security income. And of course there has been & will be no let up in the quest of the superrich to own Social Security, which surely they will in the near future unless a people's government is somehow - repeat, somehow - created. As Thomas Frank has explained, a college graduate can no longer pursue his or her intellectual dream, such as becoming a teacher, artist or journalist committed to discovering & telling the truth, because student debt & laws enforcing payment compel immediate entrance into the empire's mainstream occupations, where the objectives to be pursued are the properties of others, not of oneself. Thus our children are now born into bonded servitude, for which on the whole wages are pitiful & increasingly buy little more than necessities. All great institutions in the empire assure us that all of this criminality is necessary for two reasons: One, immensely determined evil external & internal personages are out to destroy our country, & we must surrender all of our civil rights & wealth in order to survive; & Two, alas alas, our nation has no money, & so must sell all of the people's assets & public services to the superrich. Well ... please, the first reason does not survive the briefest review of its merit, & let me not bother anyone with further words about it. And the second reason is equally preposterous, because the United States prints its own money, & under Obama did so to the tune of two trillion dollars given by the Federal Reserve to its clients, the big banks (which naturally did not, have not & will not do anything socially responsible with it). No economist who is committed to an understanding not of capitalist dogma, but rather to the truth of what was very well learned during & consequent to previous severe economic demand crises, such as the one we are now in, believes that 'shrinking government' is anything other than a vicious, irresponsible policy devised by & for the sole benefit of aristocrat thieves & their sociopathic politicians. Economics, after all, is a science, & as such its method & conclusions are dependent upon the collection & interpretation of empirical data, not any of which does in fact or in the least support shrinking government during a demand crisis. Indeed, the only agency known to be capable of or potentially possessed of the will to end such crises is a nation's government. But all good sense is lost upon cultists, who will do anything to secure life in death, a clear clear E-meter reading, a galaxy to be an eternal god of with one's dead wife, morality in selfishness, up in down, straight in crooked, or - now - an American in Washington, DC (or in Dallas or Tombstone or any other city or town).

  • I think that you may be the most flacid penis that AICN has ever produced. That's saying something considering the losers this place has seen over the years. Thanks for trying to tickle my balls though.

  • June 3, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Repost: Policy Spending: Bush vs. Obama

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Courtesy of the Congressional Budget Office and the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities: President Bush - FY 2002-2009: 1. Defense, Afghanistan & Iraq Wars: $1,469 trillion 2. Bush Tax Cuts: $1,812 trillion 3. Non-defense Discretionary Spending: $608 billion 4. TARP and Other Bailouts: $224 billion 5. Medicare Drug Benefit: $180 billion 6. 2008 Stimulus and Other Changes: $773 billion President Obama - FY 2009-2017 (including projections): 1. Stimulus Spending: $711 billion 2. Non-defense Discretionary Spending: $278 billion 3. Stimulus Tax Cuts: $425 billion 4. Health Reform and Entitlement Changes: $152 billion 5. (Defense Savings: $126 billion) Total Cost of New Policies: President Bush: $5.07 trillion President Obama: $1.44 trillion

  • June 3, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Further food for thought...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/05/04/business/economy/off-the-charts-shrinking-government.html?ref=economy http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/05/business/economy/government-is-getting-smaller-in-the-us-off-the-charts.html?_r=1 Quote: Of the administrations shown, overall growth in Mr. Obama’s first three years has been the slowest. But that is largely because government spending did not accelerate as it normally does when the private sector is weak. The private sector grew faster in the first three years of the Obama administration than it did in three of the previous five administrations — the exception being Bill Clinton’s administrations, when private sector growth was more rapid. In both of George W. Bush’s terms as well as in the first three years of the George H. W. Bush administration, though, the private sector grew more slowly. Essentially, what this says is that in 40 years, no administration has reduced aggregate government spending as a percentage of the GDP as much as President Obama's. It's painful for conservatives and conspiracy lunatics to acknowledge this but there it is.

  • June 3, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST

    RE: 804 posts and counting...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Herc - people are just dying for someone to pay attention to them!

  • June 3, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Thank you. While I generally use AICN to harmlessly express my darker, more unruly side, this is a subject that is too important to joke about, or to play the silly partisan role of Democrat vs. Republican. Both parties are working against us, and only for the well-heeled and extremely influential ruling class, to the detriment of nearly everybody here. Yet you see that most everybody here is also fervently supporting one side or the other, seemingly ignorant of the fact that they are being used by those they thoughtlessly defend. This ignorance is our enemy, every bit as much as those sociopathic politicians and their puppeteer power brokers.

  • June 3, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST

    America was destroyed long before Obama came along

    by Triple_J_72

  • June 3, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST

    triple_j_72, you are correct

    by Queefer Sutherland

    But Obama is not doing anything real to reverse the destruction. Not that he really can. We've passed the event horizon of this black hole and are being sucked in now.

  • June 3, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Herc's counting....

    by Craig2574

    Is proof this is nothing but a troll post. I expect that on IMDB not here. Troll posts always get people talking Herc with people throwing mud at each other. I bet the majority of posts here are from 15-20 people one of which are me. Meanwhile on Deadline news from all over the spectrum WO talking points. Keep on pissing off Herc and your traffic will die down sooner or later. BTW This has been quick linked in my e-mail.

  • again, I agree, and it is hard, as you must agree, to live comfortaably in a world where most people do not see the manipulations and steady erosion of what we hold most dearly about life, when petty squabbling such is on display here has become the norm, much to the detriment of all

  • facts don't matter to them because they are blinded by their ideology so clearly it is a waste of time other than to point out their stupidity. They are lost cases. And yes I am angry as FUCK but my negativity posted here makes me happy and if it upsets a few fools I don't really give a fuck. DEATH to the GOP! DEATH to FOX News!

  • June 3, 2012, 5 p.m. CST

    Not to the detriment of the superrich, however.

    by Queefer Sutherland

    They don't care how many more peasants they create as long as they are still comfortably in power.

  • They'd rather bicker than do deeper research and reading, and continue the false battle between "liberals" and "conservatives," "Democrats" and "Republicans." Ignorance will be the demise of America, not partisan politics, because that is an illusion. The only partisans are the idiots here who argue with the sophistication of WWE fans.

  • June 3, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Queefer Sutherland

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    For the most part, I agree with you. This nation was bought-sold-undermined a long time ago. We've become an oligarchy/plutocracy; a place where corporations, banks, and the MIC dictate the nature of our lives. What freedoms we do have are largely used as window dressing while the rug is being continuously pulled out from under our collective feet. Thanks to the Bush Administration, the financial collapse, and a decade of vicious reactionary new media, this country is now in a totally vulnerable, confused, and cynical place. I'd say that it may very well be a time for a Constitutional Convention. Im Yet, I have NO faith in the congressional class to try or do anything as sensible as say...ending ALL of their terms. Woe to those, such as myself, who are beginning to believe that our fabled institutions may no longer be relevant.

  • June 3, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo and mr. nice gaius

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Occupy is one of the few hopeful, but very clumsy, efforts of growing civil unrest. It will fade away, but be replaced by another show of unrest, and so on, and so on. Economist Jeffrey Sachs said in a recent Salon.com article: "We're seing the start of a New Progressive Movement in which social media trumps money -- and truth outpaces greed" and "The United States, alas, is a case of massive political failure. American society has everything imaginable: a huge, productive economy, vast natural resources, and a solid technological and educational base. Yet it is squandering these advantages because the rich have lost their sense of responsibility and are far more interested in their next yacht or private plane than in paying the price of civilization through honest and responsible taxation and investment. The result is an American society that is increasingly divided between rich and poor, with shrinking social mobility between the classes." That's pretty much how I feel, except Sachs sees this as something more hopeful than I do. I tend to think it's too late. The main problem with Occupy is that their targets are too specific, and slightly misdirected. They keep striking the bullet, leaving the gun intact. It's not all their fault. The guns remain well hidden. Their bullets are the more obvious leaders in politics and the finance industry, etc. Which brings me to mr. nice gaius' point: If we took away all the world's ammunition, the guns would be powerless, wouldn't they? So how do we replace everybody currently raping our country? You're right, there will be no Constitutional Convention. Why would those who have so much want to give that up when their sole task has been to accumulate it in the first place? Our government IS no long relevant. Our Constitution is still mighty relevant, but it was been brutalized and thrown into a deep, dark hole.

  • unfortunately that hope will have to wait... it will not make a difference YET because old people don't use social media, they use TV and their feeble minds still get hammered by political ads there... now lets wait 20 more years and they all die off then maybe I'll give a word like "hope" a chance.

  • June 3, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST

    For anybody who thinks Obama and Bush are different...

    by Queefer Sutherland

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/02/drone-wars-secrecy-barack-obama

  • June 3, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    UBERFREAK: BASHING GAYS AND THE ELDERLY. UP NEXT: BASHING OUR TROOPS.

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    You are braindead. Social media is only good for organizing flash mobs, getting group discounts and sexting. Now go occupy Wall Street and bash JP Morgan's windows. Preferably with your head.

  • June 3, 2012, 6:40 p.m. CST

    UBERFREAK - DEMOCRACY REQUIRES PEOPLE TO SHARE, RESPECT AND CONSIDER OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINIONS

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    You can't handle Democracy.

  • June 3, 2012, 6:44 p.m. CST

    QUEEFER - OBAMA'S DRONE ASSASSINATION POLICY IS THE ONLY THING HE'S DONE RIGHT

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    It sure beats a full-fledged invasion and occupation clusterfuck like Iraq and Afghanistan.

  • June 3, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST

    810 POSTS AND STILL NO EVIDENCE OF THIS UBER-YIELD 401K PLAN

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

  • perhaps discoving intelligent life somewhere else in the universe will change the current self-destructive course of mankind Or our alien creators will come back for a much needed course correction and do something to advance the negative mindset of humankind towards self-annihilation towards -- oh---- something..... wonderful...... but on a lighter note- ther MTV video awards are on tonight, and might be good for a laugh or 2

  • June 3, 2012, 7:10 p.m. CST

    ^tsk tsk mcgoo...^

    by jay2517

    ....and here i thought i heard u say u were going to stay away from things such as this. the party u keep reflects onto u, my friend. hope all is well...

  • June 3, 2012, 7:11 p.m. CST

    and i see the progressive idiocy is well served today...

    by jay2517

    ...the level of abject stupidity knows no bounds apparently...

  • ....wonder why lol?? dont talk the talk...

  • Hope all is well with you. Someone even described my approach as civil discourse. One step at a time...

  • June 3, 2012, 9:04 p.m. CST

    my name is not that hard to spell

    by solvseus

    Anyway jay, calling people idiots doesn't mean you win the debate. I said Ayers was never convicted, and he wasn't. He's a professor now. Never said he was a great guy or anything, and if he is responsible for any of what he's a accused of he can suck it, but he was never convicted of a crime. I don't see what he has to do with anything anyway, despite what you guys keep saying he barely knew Obama. Even if they were bestest friends like you think he and Wright were, he is not Obama. I don't believe in guilt by association, apparently you do. Guess you won't be voting for anyone then, because they all know some shady people. You want examples of Fox misleading people besides what I've already described? I'm sure the websites I give you you'll just call liberal propaganda even if they're just straight videos, and if I don't I'll be making it up. But here are some examples anyway just off the top of my head: showing video of a rally they say was for Glenn Beck when it obviously wasn't (amount of people was more, time of year was wrong, something was in the background that shouldn't have been showing because at the time it was being worked on), they put (D)'s after (R)'s repeatedly, corrected that by simply removing the party affiliation, showed edited videos from Veritas, Live Action, and Breitbart despite knowing the full videos were available that completely changed the context, showed a video of Obama were he was quoting McCain but made it seem like he was saying it. I'm sure I could find more by going to Media Matters, Crooks And Liars, that website by the people who made Outfoxed, but I'm guessing that's pointless. Again, I'm sure MSNBC does it too, but again, no one is defending them and as you lot always talk about no one watches them. No one with any power follows what they say, no where close to as influential as Fox is. I know they and talk radio don't count as rightwing in your world, but they are. I know everything else is leftwing to you, but it isn't. I don't know what else to tell you. Abuse, Obama has been a disappointment, but mostly because he talked a lot about change but didn't. I don't see how that means we should vote for Romney though. While Obama half assed it, Romney wants to take things back to where they were and double down on what doesn't work. Tax cuts, especially at the top, do not work. They just don't. I may be a crack smoking idiot, but I do understand economics pretty well. I follow along with what respected economists have been saying, the ones who have been right all along, and they show their work. Pundits don't have to do that apparently, so I don't listen to them but some of you do and that was my point. There are some very small, easy things we can do to help (not fix, this is a long process there are no quick fixes) but no one, even Obama and the Dems, seem to want to even put them out there to try. I'm not exactly a Keynesian, but the Laffer Curve has it's limits, and we are beyond them. PNAC has been wrong about everything, but we still keep listening to them and ignoring both history and economics. Romney wants to continue what got us here, and actually go further. Maybe he won't, maybe it's all talk to get elected and he'll be the moderate he used to pretend to be unlike W, but I don't see it. He was a terrible Gov and like Ryan's plan, his plans will cost us even more while hurting the people who are already hurting the most while helping some of the people who caused this mess in the first place. Something they are still doing. Because Dodd-Frank and the Volcker Rule, which were also half assed, are still not in play. Romney won't change that. Obama and the Dems are at least trying. They tried to do something with education, healthcare, our crumbling infrastructure, the 9/11 workers, veterans college funds, etc. All I see from the GOP is more tax cuts that will benefit the top while still spending more, especially on our already bloated defense dept. Something needs to be done, and while the Dems suck, the GOP is much much worse. George W. Bush... nuff said.

  • and you are a motherfucking bullshit artist cuz no one said democracy is supposed to be civil to idiot fucking fascist morons like the GOP. DEATH to the GOP! Then we can use the Dems as the right wing party and all will be well.

  • June 3, 2012, 11:55 p.m. CST

    @uberfreak

    by MrLongbaugh

    Mcgoo and I are friends even though we have totally different views about politics. We communicate here on AICN through the TB's and do so in a civilized manner. No name calling or any of the other negative stuff. He is a stand up guy and I wish others were like him.

  • June 3, 2012, 11:59 p.m. CST

    @Amigos

    by MrLongbaugh

    Hey guys. I hope everything is going well for both of you. Mcgoo, I was sorry to hear about the trouble you are having with your eye. The eyes are my weak spot. The thought of going blind scares the shit out of me. Whenever I watch a movie(ususally horror) where they stick a needle or something in someone's eye, I have to look away. I hope you get it taken care of soon. Jay, Prometheus is coming up. We'll have to figure out our respective schedules and go check it out. Peace out brothers!!

  • June 4, 2012, 12:28 a.m. CST

    I've been way too well behaved in this talkback.

    by Queefer Sutherland

    I'm going to go to a new fresh talkback and bring out Mr. Hyde. Look out motherfuckers!!!!

  • June 4, 2012, 1:35 a.m. CST

    good for u mcgoo! im rooting for u brotha!!

    by jay2517

    ...and thats a Desmond reference :) like i have said, REALLY impressed with u! might need to start thinking about us (maybe longbaugh?) cooking out...and DONT give me no negative nancy stuff about *i dont get out much*....u will and u will like it! how do u like ur steak prepared? or are u more of a chicken person?? curious minds want to know :)

  • ...just let me know on this talkback :)

  • June 4, 2012, 1:38 a.m. CST

    ....and solveeeusssesss(?)....

    by jay2517

    ....really?

  • June 4, 2012, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Nearly 90% who gave Obama $200+ in 2008 haven’t donated this time

    by ReportAbuse

    In 2008, more than 550,000 gave more than $200 to Barack Obama, entering their names in the longest list of individual donors ever seen in American politics. According to a BuzzFeed analysis of campaign finance data, 88% of the people who gave $200 or more in 2008 have not yet given that sum this year. And this drop-off isn’t simply an artifact of timing. A full 87% of the people who gave $200 — the sum that triggers an itemized report to the Federal Elections Commission — through April of 2008, 182,078 people, had not contributed by the end of last month. Interviews with dozens of those drop-off donors reveal the stories of Democrats who still plan to pull the lever for the president, but whose support has gone from fervent to lukewarm, or whose economic circumstances have left them without money to spare. The interviews and the data are the substance of an “enthusiasm gap” spurred by the distance between the promise of the campaign and the reality of governing, one that has begun to deepen Democratic gloom about this November’s election. http://tinyurl.com/7acg2zd Now how do you think this bodes for people who may still be sitting on the fence?

  • June 4, 2012, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Obama has been a disappointment

    by solvseus

    And Romney could very well win. But if you think things are going to get better if he does what he says he's going to do, history and econ tells us differently. Hopefully he's a liar like every other politician and does something completely different, or he's actually a moderate wimp who will cave on nearly everything like the Dems keeps doing and calling it compromise. His time as Gov says he probably won't be a great Pres either, just as W wasn't. We might eventually see a small rebound anyway as we kinda are now, but things overall will continue to get worse over time. But thank you for not calling me a faggoty-@$$-idiotic-crack-smoking-piece-of-$#!% for disagreeing with you politically. Because obviously that and calling everybody whatever -ist is the word of the week wins over talking about the reality of economics. Yes Jay, really. Out bitches, peace to your muthas!

  • June 4, 2012, 6 a.m. CST

    WHEN DO THEY START SELLING HOPE AND CHANGE 2012 EDITION STICKERS?

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    Are they accepting pre-orders?

  • June 4, 2012, 8:06 a.m. CST

    THE LEFT AND RIGHT WING MEDIA ARE UNITED IN OPPOSITION TO DR. RON PAUL

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    Which leads to the logical conclusion that he's the best candidate.

  • June 4, 2012, 8:20 a.m. CST

    IF MY SON LOOKS LIKE TRAYVON MARTIN I WOULD HOLD AN INTERVENTION.

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    http://bit.ly/Mrc21g

  • June 4, 2012, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Stock market down 400 points...

    by nemov

    since Herc mentioned how great his 401k was doing.

  • June 4, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Herc if you believe anything the commie in chief tell you..

    by ShakaLaka Lambo

    Your a bigger moron than we take you for. I got no problem with democrats or republicans (mainly because in today's political landscape there the same thing) but I do have a BIG problem with Communists. The reason our country has been successful is because we kept the Fed. Gov't small, now explain to me how Obama has spent more money in 3 years than every Pres. before him ..COMBINED. Explain to me why even though he had complete control of Congress for two years and crammed his socialist bs down our throats (ie Obamacare, the bail outs etc) and our unemployment rate is still over eight percent (well over ten percent if you count those you have stopped looking for work, which the gov. doesn't.) Didn't He promise unemployment would NEVER go over 8 percent during his Hope and Change campaign? How come no budget has been passed since he took office? Oh wait it's the Republicans right? Wrong again Herc, The Republican controlled house has put forth budgets all of which "died" o n the socialist controlled senate, and the Soc (oops sorry) Democrats have yet to put forth ONE budget. Look guys I get that you bought into the b.s. your not the only ones that did, the commie can read a teleprompter like nobody's business but we gotta get this clown out of office or we won't have a government to complain about. He's running us into the ground, he sends Manchelle on another vacation while he plays golf and destroys our economy. Let me ask you something Herc since your so proud of your 401k doubling, what makes you think the Pres. adding miles and miles of new regulations is helping the economy create jobs? Governments DON"T create jobs you idiot. President's DON'T either. Romney isn't perfect by a long shot but he's the best chance we have to fix the four years of marxist crap this sorry excuse for a community organizer pretending to be a President has dropped on us. I love my country, I'm not ashamed of it like so many on the left are. Sure were not perfect we've made mistakes, what makes America great is the fact that we FIX those mistakes and we we'll fix the marxist in chief mistake this November. Now blame it all on Bush and prove me right Herc. What a joke, a two bit movie "critic" preaching to us about politics. It's this kind of nonsense from the useful idiots (like ows) that put the marxist in office. God I can't wait for November.

  • June 4, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Politics are a smokescreen to the real problem

    by Han Cholo

    That the government is passing more and more laws on an almost daily basis to keep power squarely in their hands. It doesn't matter if you're a Dem or a Rep. The fact is, there is corruption running rampant and unchecked in the government, which you'll never hear on a corporate news channel, hell, the corporations own the news and tell the government what to do because high ranking officials within the government are the same guys running the television stations such as Fox news or CNN. <p> Oh it gets better... look up Agenda 21 and see what the people that fool you into voting for them every 4 years has had cooking up for you for a long time. Also, what's up with all the increased police activity lately? Seems like certain people are preparing for Civil unrest to me. National Defense Authorization Act allows authority figures with guns to break down your door if they feel you are a terrorist and a threat to national security. Sorry, I don't remember voting for that on the ballot. <p> Oh and the real story is the NDAA has been used almost exclusively to bust non-violent offenders, without any consideration to their rights. I think people in high places realize they're losing control, they realize that people still have the power to change things and we can if people are willing to work together to do so. With that, I will leave you with a familiar quote: <p> The needs of the many outweigh the wants of the few.

  • June 4, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST

    shakalakalambo...

    by UltimaRex

    *You're *I have no *they're *those who have You're welcome. Oh, and Romney will never be president.

  • Why can't the media and our political aristocrats admit that? The rest of the world knows it, but it's like it's some form of taboo to speak about it in this country. Guess our master's are getting a little scared of another massive panic and people pulling their money from banks like they did during the aftermath of 1929. Even with FDIC covering, massive inflation would result in turning our currency worthless.