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BATTLEFIELD EARTH clip.... my God....
Hey folks, Harry here. MY GOD... I've just seen John Travolta's appearance on THE TONIGHT SHOW and his clip from the film that he took on Jay Leno's show. Watching this clip from THE TONIGHT SHOW... scared the shit out of me. First, John is talking about how big is evil alien penis is, and how important that is to make him feel evil. Also, that it took a great deal of thought and energy in the process of creating his enormous codpiece. HELLO?!?!?! John boy.... If this is how you are trying to sell interest in your film.... It didn't work with BATMAN AND ROBIN. But wait.... there's more. In the actual clip from the film.... my God. Kelly Preston has an enormous Tongue.... and she's Travolta's evil secretary. So, it's important that the evil secretary, of the evil Travolta, has a giant tongue with which to allude to satisfying the enormous penis of the Evil Boss. Sigh... Well folks, take a look at this clip at your own risk. I must say, that this is just about the most hide your face in the dirt embarrassing looking thing I've ever seen. I really hope this isn't indicative of the rest of the film.
Click here to go watch the clip
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I'm thinkin this will be Stargate quality, is that good or bad...
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Any questions? I didn't think so.
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Maybe its a way Travolta can sabotage the film(No great feat to do there, folks!) so the "Mindheads" at $cientology and ostracize him and can get thrown out.
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hell yeah. now i'm defintely in line for this flick.
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I kid.Alien penis,yuck yuck yuck,makes me feel good,yuck yuck yuck,codpiece,yuck yuck yuck.It makes me wonder what the state of the planet would be today if Tarantino hadn't rediscovered Travolta.Sigh.This has been a Mmmm,Beefy Moment with User ID Indeed!
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Well I just reread the book and from what little I have heard about the script they aren't sticking too close to the book. Also looks like they are only telling half the story and stopping in the middle. Should be a real disappointment.
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If this is the clip Travolta thought would best create interest in this movie, then this is going to be the worst piece of crap Hollywood has ever produced!
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is it me or would you dorks normally be salivating over this peice of shhheeeeet, and the only reason youre not now is because its fucking scientology bullshit?
so what if he's a fucking scientologist and Lron hubbards's a dumb ass? what does that have to do with whether it'll be a cool stupid popcorn sci fi shit fest thats at least entertaining. at least judge it on its merits as A MOVIE, not on how much it connects to scientology. if the matrix was an lron hubbard book would you have torn it apart before you saw it? probably. wait till you at least see the whole thing before you nerds start rippin' it a new asshole! -
This is going to be the funniest movie of all time !!! Woohooo!
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Still not enough from Battlefield Earth. Go to the BE Info Page. You can listen to Sound Samples from the Soundtrack, written by the wifebeater L.Ron Hubbard. It's good for e few laughs.
www.geocities.com/xenu2000/
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I kid you not....I went poking about the site that hosts the clip and found a gem of a real audio clip with L. Ron singing his cold, black heart out. http://209.241.48.234/us/construction.htm Check it out....but not if you've just eaten.
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just needs to get a little bit more original than that
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As "good" as Travolta is, Rob Hubbard, the founder of Scientology is a fucking idiot.
If you ever read ANY of the scientlogy doctrine, you can see that they're pretty fucked up beyond hope. I mean, a religion based on a guy's Sci Fi writings? Hell, they're not even good stories.
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Anybody mirror this clip? Seems the site where it's housed is pretty bogged-down, no doubt from a million AICN referrals. I'm on a T1, but the sucker just won't buffer. I just REALLY want to see this - especially after seeing Travolta's platform shoe outfit! Thanks!
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I'm in total agreement with The BATFINK on this one, MrFurly. 'The Matrix' was good and looked interesting. That was the reason fanboys jumped all over it drooling their fanboy drool. 'Battlefield Earth' looks, well... just watch the clip. Did the clip actually make this film look enticing to you, MrFurly? If so, what did it for you? Was it Kelly Preston's long tongue? Was it the banal dialogue? I mean, really, I watched this clip and scowled, wondering silently to myself, "What in the hell is this?" Additonally, I saw the extended trailer earlier today at the local cinema and smirked cynically through the entire thing. Scientology has nothing to do with it. We all make pre-judgments on a film before it's released based on what we see of it. Can you honestly say that the trailers, the clips, and that still photo of Travolta in costume that appeared on this site a while back (I still chuckle looking at it) make this film look appealing? Let's just hope the movie isn't as bad as it looks like right now. If it is as bad as it seems, it will be a major embarassment for the parties involved. For now, I smell a Razzie award nominations all over it... Mr. Sartre, over and out, and pondering the nothingness that exists behind all existants...
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I didn't bother to check out the clip.Takes WAAAY to much time. This sounds sad enough as it is. The pictures I saw here are also silly. Another couple of mil. down the drain. Johnny has lost it, and will never get it back again.
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Fuck this is brutal...se for yourself
http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/battlefield_earth.html
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I know a lot of celebrities have fallen hook, line, and sinker for L. Ron Hubbard's little money making scheme, but for Travolta to take Hubbard's lousy pulp fiction seriously enough to make a movie about it really creeps me out. I'm surprised that anyone was willing to pony up the money to make this film in the first place. Beyond Scientologists and screaming fanboys, no one will want to see it. This one has "bomb" written all over it....
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I hope this is just a brief unsubstantial comic-relief scene in the movie. But, then again he said on Leno he was going to show 2 clips of the film to get people excited. Is this really the best he can do? This scene does not make me want to see the movie at all.
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The only way that I am looking foreward to this POS is in the pure, sick, trafic accident rubberneck, sort of way that a bad Sci-Fi movie is Known for. Heres to Johnny Boy for driving another nail into the Sci-Fi Genre coffin
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Apr 09, 2000 9:32:16 PM CDT
I wonder if this'll be worse than Inspector Gadget the Movie
by pips orcille
I just wonder...
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or as Steve Martin called them: Mind-Fucks. Check out one Scientologist who went clear. . .then she went insane. http://www.xenutv.com/post.htm
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having read the book i thought this project might have a chance. but everything i've seen so far looks like a remake of "ICE PIRATES". oh well i guess it will take more time for hollywood to take SF seriously.still its hard to believe that a self professed follower of hubbard would be party to a half assed comic adaptation of his work. come on john the book wasn't that bad it deserved a serious treatment.
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I just got done seeing "The Talented Mr Ripley" and I couldn't help but notice that in both that movie, and in "Gattaca" someone pretends to be Jude Law's character. Hmmmm, coincidence perhaps? You be the judge. Oh and, "Ripley" was very good, I don't know what most of you are talking about. "I don't know what movie the geeks were watching!" I said into the camera as I left the theater. Remember kids, it's much better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody. I think we could all learn much from Tom. Ripley that is, of course. Speaking of misundersttod movies, I too loved "Sleepy Hollow". Well, love is a strong word, but it was rather fun and since ______ found out about what the _____ under his bed really was about, the movie totally kicked ass (I care for those who haven't seen it, yeah I have such a big heart). As long as we...I'm on the subject, who directed "Stir of Echoes"? That guy's a genius, but who was the editor? Yeah, he should burn, burn in hell with Sadam and the devil, and little Kenny too, of course. Boy that film was awesome. Shut your fucking face uncle fucker! Good song indeed, but the best for me was "Up There" by Satan himself, just wonderful. Sorry for not talking about "Battlefield: Earth" in my talk back, I'm just scared of accusation of being a sientology freak just because of commenting on it. I'm an atheist, I swear!. But it really really looks shitty, poor John. Well I'm leaving now, until I'm bored again. Have I said too much, well who cares 'cause no one read this anyway. And if you're readding this right now, I hope I was of entertainment to you. Adios!
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that this is going to be the sci-fi equivalent to Showgirls. At least there won't be any profits going to the Church of Scientology because there won't BE any profits at all.
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...goodness! This really doesn't surprise me too much. Hell, when I first read that a movie was being made of the book, two thoughts entered my head: 1. That feeling you get when you see a REALLY bad direct-to-video sci-fi flick and 2. WHY?!?! With SOOOOO many truly great science fiction books out there, why waste money on this film? I remember in the mid-eighties (jeez, I'm a geezer!) seeing the soft cover on shelves with a starburst (graphic) proclaiming "soon to be a major motion picture"...yeah, right! Anyways, after seeing both trailers, I knew I was right...can you smell it too, that's right kiddo's, a great big steamin' pile o' fecal celuloid! I'd rather see the next Adam Sandler travesty than this!
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Get ready to laugh your asses off at the Worst, and I mean Worst film since SpaceHunter: Adventures in The Forbidden Zone starring Molly Ringwald in 3-D!
John Travolta is a fat fucking pig and this movie will not only flop, It will go down in History as the most embarrasing thing he has ever done since Stayin Alive, Perfect, and Two of a Kind combined!
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I saw the preview trailer this weekend....BwHahahahaa ! Talk about your vanity projects...Forrest Whitaker get the hell outta there. At least the odds for Battlefield Earth 2 look rock bottom. Plus Kelly Preston never looked lovelier...--Syd.
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In what parallel universe was that, John? Sheesh! That's almost the same as declaring it the most popular SF novel of all time. Yet the few reviews I've read of it have all been pretty bad, and the one L. Ron book I did read, the first of that hernia-inducing 10-book series, I forget the name, was a pretty inert and uninvolving book without much in the way of ideas. Not terrible, but not somethign that made me want to pick up the next 9 books either. But geez. Most popular SF novel? In what, a poll of scientologists? That just makes me want to wring his neck.
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I'm thinkin' that he & the Misses had some "yearly Cult dues" to pay having spent all their time thinking of stupid-ass names for their children (jett? ttttt?)
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I can't remember my expectations for a film ever going from so high at one point to so low. Even as escapist fare goes, this looks awful. I'll see it, because even bad films can be perversely fun, and this film could potentially re-write the book on that theory.
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"K.C., PULL!! (BLAM!!) I don't like it, I hate it, it's out."
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Apr 09, 2000 11:11:14 PM CDT
"Mr. Tarantino, I have Mr. Travolta on the line." "I'm not here.
by uh_clem
The giggles won't stop! I can't stop giggling! Travolta: "I'm 9 feet tall and have a huge cock!" Oh my GOD! "And it helps me feel evil!" Jesus Christ! I didn't even see the movie clip, it cut me off right after that, and I still can't stop laughing! I don't think I could handle the clip! This is going to be the single greatest comedy of the New Age! Holy shit my stomach hurts!
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I'm just curious, because (bad movie aside, it looks like a lot of people are knocking a story that COULD have been a great film.
I read Battlefield Earth about 15 years ago (back in high school) and I remember it being a VERY enjoyable read. One of those rare set of books that you take everywhere because you HAVE to find out what happens next in the story.
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Travolta couldn't give a pair of fetid donkey engrams whether this movie sucked or not. It's merely another vehicle with which to funnel money into the Church of Scientology. Where are all the profits from toy sales going? The "Church". And when you think about it, it's really a pretty clever way to spread their propaganda. Just think, they could put in some subtle little things on the package, and start their recruiting when their potential victims are at their most vulnerable! But honestly, even if Scientology doesn't have anything to do with the film, it will have something to do with the film's success. Anyone wonder how the book became one of the "most succesful sci-fi novels of all time"? The Scientologists went out and bought all the copies in their bookstore, then screwed the store owners over when the stores ordered larger inventories. I can just see it now, "Battlefield Earth,one of the most successful sci-fi FILMS of all time!"
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Apr 09, 2000 11:45:40 PM CDT
Mr.Furly, why tear it a new asshole when it already has so many?
by niiiice
I can smell the crap coming out of at least 12 different places in the trailer alone!
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Let me see if I get this straight. Some posters to this site, clearly hate John Travolta because he is a Scientologist and therefore he is "a thought controlled robot" or something? The guy makes $20 million a picture and owns a fleet of airplanes. He's been married to the same woman for many years, owns houses around the world, is happy to be a father,hates drugs and yet you hate him solely because of his beliefs. Can any of the "posters of hatred" point to any reviews of a Travolta film where they have given that film a positive review??? Name the site and date of your favorable posting. I thought not. Not very objective. The hater's view of Travolta's work seems in conflict with the public at large. I have also liked some, but not all of his work. Travolta has his religion and you have your hatred. Its pretty sad really. I know I shall now be attacked as either a scientologist or as a "scientologist lover" but that's OK, let the attacks begin. I'd rather be placed on the side that is NOT the hatred brigade.
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Apr 10, 2000 12:42:21 AM CDT
EyeWill thanks for being the sound voice of moral outrage on thi
by niiiice
Tell me, is it wrong to hate a movie that, according to all indications, sucks? Oh wait, I said "sucks", sorry I meant "not good."
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at Midnight screenings of movies so godawful bad that they develop a cult following. Yes, it's coming to me now...dreadlocks, platform shoes, codpieces - move over PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE!!
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Hi Scieno! If someone can't find anything positive about this movie he is not objective? What a nonsense buddy! This movie is a stinker, and everyone knows it. But a few words to Travolta: He is a BIG LIAR. He lies about the connection between Author Services and Scientology. The shares from Author Services are in the hands from the Church of Spiritual Technology, which is part of Scientology! He tells people that BE is the No. 1 Sci-Fi of the century? YoYoYo, can you tell me the name and location (address, webpage etc.) of this organisation? I would love to check this out. And what do you think about the 'hatred' from Scientology. They call everyone, who criticize L.Ron Hubbard or Scientology criminals. Scientology also wants to isolate 20% of the population and exterminate 2.5 %. And what do you think about the story from XENU? More Information: www.xenu.net
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Sure the movie will suck on its own merits, and we could discuss it that way. But theres another dynamic here. Most intelligent people find something fishy about a LARGE CABAL OF MOVIE STARS WHO ARE MEMBERS OF A FUCKING CULT. Yes, Kirstie Alley, Vinnie Barbarino, his main squeeze Kelly Preston, Jenna Elfman, and many others have gotten down on their knees and sucked Satan's cock. In other words, EyeWill, there will be no quarter given. Every item about this flick will be met with scorn and yes hatred for those who exploit the weak, like the Co$. www.xenu.net
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Battlefield Earth was no Bestseller. Scientology bought all the books back to create the myth that Hubbard is still a hot author! What the purpose of it? Check out: www.xenu.net for more information about Battlefield Earth!
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Concerning any ties between BE and
COS, well the bad guys in the book were called Psychlos. That seems awfully similar to Psychology, which as anyone knows who is familar with the tenants of Scientology, is bad for people. I once was on a mailing list for Chick Coreas music, and received a mailing talking all about the evil of Psychiatrists and how their goal was to snuff out creativity. I suppose they view Psychology as their competition. -
Facts are facts. Hubbard is a horrible writer, having neither talent nor skill. His science fiction is rotten, much of it thinly veiled propoganda, all of it demonstrating his inability to put a grammatical sentence of English together. Hubbard has no subtlety, every point is delivered via sledgehammer to the balls. I have also read his Dianetics. Also poorly written (but that's another rant). A week or so ago, I wrote that Anne Rice was a bad writer but had good ideas. Hubbard doesn't even have any good ideas under his lousy prose. Travolta looks like a reject from Blake's 7 (the Dr. Who people would have passed on that costume). This is going to tank because when you wrap shitty visuals around a crappy plot with nothing but underlying turds of ideas, you get - well, you might as well just flush the money. (For those of you who think Hubbard is great literature let me make a Hubbard literary move to make the obvious blatant: the movie will be shit.) Oh and as for the guy who said I wouldn't knock this pile of feces if it weren't for scientology links - no I'd knock the movie on the basis of Hubbard's writing "abilities". But now that you mentioned it - I probably wouldn't see a movie about the discovery of the new world produced by the Catholic church (well I guess they DID apologize). I'm Catholic and I'd think it was propoganda. So go @#%$ yourelf, your mother, and the horse you rode in on.
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Apr 10, 2000 1:35:07 AM CDT
Actually, I don't like Travolta because he's a really bad actor.
by superninja
Does that make me a bad person? The Scientology crap is only icing on the cake. I've seen the trailer in theaters. He looks like a bloated Klingon. Pulp Fiction was a stroke of luck, now sink slowly into pop culture oblivion.
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I've got a few things to say about Scientology as well. Hubbard was a hack writer and so he created a hack religion in order to put food on the table because his writing could not cut it. A group of electrical engineers took apart one of those e-meter gizmos a few years ago. Do you know what they do? Nothing! $cientology is just like every televangelist ministry - sure they provide some programs to the desperate and needy but for the most part they are nothing but money making machines who dream of political power. If they want to clear the Earth they should start by clearing themselves off. They can return to the planet Xenu or Xena or whoever exiled them from. $cientology is one of the prime examples of what can go wrong with religion. IMHO.
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I have an uncle that joined the "Church" when he was young and impressionable. A starving writer in Hollywood giving his last dime to them -- barely scraping by. Scientology deliberately preys on people who are confused and need direction in their lives. They take their money, and set them up with a false set of friends who feed their ego thereby boosting their self-esteem. Funny how all those friends are gone after he left the "Church". They still have his money, though. They came to his house to try to help him "change his mind". His wife was FOLLOWED by a "Church" van one day because my uncle was still riding the fence and she was meeting with an ex-member. The ex-member was touring speaking out negatively against the "Church" and (I'm not kidding here) would go so far as to wear disguises to throw them off. This is NOT an emotionally healthy organization.
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To the guy up there talking about Travolta. I would not rate his acting ability based on his affiliation with the $cientologists. I think Travolta is a fine actor (I would prefer that he did not dance all the time). Unfortunately, he has almost zero ability to pick a good role. He was awesome in Pulp Fiction, Get Shorty and Saturday Night Fever. Then he goes and does absolute garbage like Urban Cowboy, Look Who's Talikng, and Michael. (Phenomenon goes without saying - talk about propoganda!). Because of this shortcoming of Travolta, I will rarely see a travolta film without knowing something beforehand. He needs to hire better management. Hopefully, after this thing tanks he'll hire new management.
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Apr 10, 2000 2:14:16 AM CDT
A short message from.....the one.....the only.....DMFC (or, Scie
by free dmfc
....Meaning, how is scientology any different from your more traditional religions? They all seem to pursue the same goals. I hope everyone on here is as enlightened as my blessed self, and has chosen to live a doctrine of their own rather than one smeared with the blood and shit of the ages. AS FOR MY BANNING: Father geek continues to bar my entry to this site. I sent many messages asking why I've been banned, considering the reason given by harry in the article regarding it was actually attributed to one posing as me. SO WHY AM I PREVENTED FROM LOGGING ON? Gee, it can't be what I turned up about AICN's various sponsorships can it? Do you think that Harry really hates Battlefield:Earth this much? Would he hate it as much if it was new line? I can tell you with authority: NO. Money moves everything around him apparently. And now I'm kept out of AICN because my views on LOTR could destroy the whole shebang. FATHER GEEK: I'm going to just keep coming back. So give it up, you lame, annoying idiot. IN CONCLUSION: PLEASE ADD "FREE DMFC" TO THE SUBJECT HEADERS OF ALL OF YOUR POSTS. YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT I HAVE TO SAY BUT YOU SHOULD LIKE THE FACT THAT I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY IT. Thanks-----THE DMFC
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I will admit straight off: I do not like scientology. After reading up on the subject, I'm downright sickened by some of the tales of woe reported to have been perpetrated by the CoS. So my views of this movie may be somewhat colored -- but not much, I don't think. This movie looks like just about the stupidest thing I've ever seen committed to film. Now, I like Travolta -- I thought he was good in pulp fiction, get shorty, and I didn't even mind phenomenon (michael blew though). Travolta doesn't play a 9' tall alien badass in that clip -- he plays John Travolta, and sounds like he's perpetually whining to a producer about not being able to get any decent coffee on the set. Now, I don't know how good a writer Hubbard was, having never read any of his books (although judging from Scientology's creation myth, his ideas are not particularly inspired). But all the ideas in this film are either cliched, or too bland for anyone to have bothered with before. It seriously seems like a story a 6th grader would write. I am supremely confident that the film adapted from his work is going to be just as stupid as the religion adapted from it.
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Proof Scientology is a dangerous, mindwarping cult: The leader has the ability to make a public figure actually go on television and shill for this movie. Right on to Cybertooth for providing the subtitles to the possibly the most wasted four minutes of my life. Bastard Klingon whores demanding houses in return for sexual favors? Count me out. Oh yeah, free YMCA or whatever.
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(Although I am a staunch Harry supporter in general, I hate people getting banned unless they're intentionally irritating others (besides the staff)).
The difference between the CoS and other religions, DMFC, is that scientology adversely affects peoples' lives here on earth due to its heavy and mandatory financial burdens as well as its employment of various psychologically damaging techniques in both its recruitment policies and doctrine. Although I disagree with your blanket condemnation of religion, I respect your opinion and can understand your reasons. However, scientology and other cults employ tactics detrimental to the physical and psychological well-being of their members, whereas actual religions do not damage the aforementioned faculties (if you don't agree with that, then you should at least admit that the extent is far less severe, and doesn't inhibit the participation of believers in secular society); that's the reason cultic organizations shouldn't just be allowed to go off and "do their thing": they're damaging others, by any reasonable societal yardstick. -
Man, are folks getting their panties in a twist about another useless cargo cult like Scientology. Which is a waste of your breath to flog this filmed canker sore of a B-flick on quasi-cult/ religious over tones. If this movie was worth a few hours of my attention I'd see this shit fest. But it looks like the worse sci-fi movie in ten years. My god...ID4 looks better !! Some good B-flick sci-fi have been made by religious "funds"...
the original classic Drive-In movie The Blob, was paid for by these ultra-right wing christians. They stayed the fuck away, the movie was good and Steve McQueen later became a star. But this isn't the case...this has the most laughable alien costume
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Apr 10, 2000 3:23:15 AM CDT
How can that piece of shite be the #1 sic-fi novel of the centur
by vegas
You know, when Jurassic Park (which I would consider sci-fi) came out back in the early 90's, almost everyone I know bought a copy. EVERYONE. Now, I don't know a single solitary motherfucker who has bothered to waste their money on Battlefield Earth. What gives? Oh, and DMFC? Let's be honest with ourselves. You got banned because you were annoying EVERYONE. We don't like you. We all got sick of you hogging all the talkbacks and we've been damn happy in your absence. If you want to come back, do us all a favor. Grow the fuck up.
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I don't see what the big deal is. If you've ever READ any of Hubbard's stuff (particularly DIANETICS) it is all heavily draped in STUPIDITY! Scientology is, however, a very valuable tool for the human race because it effectively weeds out the morons. Going public with your support of that whole kooky mess is like walking around with a "kick me hard" sign taped to your back! Nevertheless, I will definitely see the movie because I think it will be very funny (the alien designs alone look like grade "B" DR. WHO creations).
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Favourite SF book of the century? On which planet has that happened? The clip was like a foreplay scene from Klingon pornflick with Dialogue written by 2 year old. Scientology is just plain evil.
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Apr 10, 2000 4:18:46 AM CDT
Instead of Aliens destroying Earth, how a film where they destro
by dirtfish
I went to see crap Brit film 'Love Honour and Obey' at the weekend and there was a trailer for 'Battlefield Earth' before the film. I thought it looked OK, It reminded me of Independence Day. I think I'll wait and see more about the film before I make my mind up about it.
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Or whatever they'll call the movie. CyberTooth, that was an on-target parody of the Travolta/Leno interview! FUNNNEEE!!! I'm just wondering how "Battlefield Earth" would have been when it was first announced as a motion picture -- fifteen years ago. The proposed screenwriter then was Abraham Polonsky, who was the creative force behind the cult film "Force of Evil". What set Polonsky apart in the Red-hunting days of the McCarthy era was that Polonsky was a devoted Marxist. I don't like Marxism in any of its forms (any more than I like Scientology in its various guises), but knowing Polonsky's sociopolitical stand, I'm curious as to how "Battlefield Earth" would have turned out.
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Apr 10, 2000 5:51:24 AM CDT
One turd on a plate. One fork. "I'm going to need LOTS of Taba
by nordling
I read Battlefield Earth when I was a kid, after some dork recommended it to me. I am no longer on speaking terms with said dork, but that's a different story. I remember reading it and saying, "Well, it's fun, but it ain't Star Wars." Um...nowhere in it is a giant Terl penis pleasuring his secretary. Juan Revolting can't even fuck up right. This movie will fail, abysmally. I see in my crystal ball my friends and I getting drunk as shit and laughing ourselves through this stinkbomb while those who actually seriously see it simultaneously shit and puke themselves as their digestive tracts rupture in rejection. Travolta, you just blew your comeback. Kelly Preston, get thee to porn. She'll be DVDA in no time.
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I read a bit of Battlefield Earth back in the eighties when I won a copy of it and the soundtrack in a local newspaper competition.
When I read it I had never even heard of Scientology, though i thought the book stunk. The soundtrack (purportedly by Hubbard himself) is astoundingly bad and truly has to be heard to be disbelieved. Funnily enough, on my copy of BE which I recently dug out of the attic, it says it will soon be two motion pictures. This appears to still be the plan with the second film reportedly already in pre-production.
Simply because the book was crap and Scientology is involved does not automatically guarentee that the resulting film will be dreadful. Though I must admit that when the trailer was shown at the local multiplex the audience laughed at it.
I have the same attraction to really bad movies that most people have, but I worry that any profits from the film will still go into aiding Scientology. Not directly, of course, but into its various front organisations 'charities'.
The film is not a definite failure simply because Scientology is involved, though all the previews so far have made it look quite poor. I don't think BE will be of Plan 9 awfulness, instead I think it'll probably slump in the middle ground of extreme mediocrity.
Scientology is free to believe whatever it wants (however stupid it may sound to outsiders). But what I really object to is the pitiless way it strip-mines all the money it can from each recruit and the disgusting tactics it uses to try and silence critics.
As to why Travolta agreed to do the film it could be for several reasons.
A/ Due to his long-term Scientology membership he genuinely believes Hubbard was wonderful and his books are great.
B/ Scientology compile case folders on each member during counseling. These folders are used against anyone who leaves the church and then speaks out repeatedly against it. Some rumours have it that Travolta has some skeletons in the cupboard that he doesn't want let out. How much truth is in these rumours is anyones guess.
C/ Simple bad judgement.
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I have a friend who worked on the audio here in Vancouver. He told me it was one of the worst pieces of crap he'd ever seen. I guess L. Ron Hubbard should stick to forming cults...
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l ron hubbard lives in the cupboard eating his curds and way
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I can Tell just by looking at this Clip it will be a cinematic feast! It'll be a Mating of Eagles! I shall sit entranced in the movie theatre and be transported into another magical land, where the only bounds are the human imagination...I am so Glad I filled in that Scientology questionaire..and yes I would like to see Mrs. Cruise Naked ...and yes you can have half my earnings as a tithe...
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First of, I (beeing an incurable optimist) was willing to give this turkey a chance based on the first trailer, but now..well let's just put it like this: FUCK NO! This is truly going to stink! I'm still going to see it although I'll probably wait untill is comes out on video, whitch BTW is going to be very soon after the cinematic release.
As far as religions go, Scientology at least hasn't had any major "Holy wars" fought in it's name with massive slayings of women and children...Don't get me wrong, I do not under any circumstances support This wierd little cult but really people, ANYONE stupid enough to join up should be shot (or at least slapped silly)on sight.This by the way goes for All cult followers...I meen for god's sake (no pun intended), most of these cult leaders no sane person would let serve them food at McDonald's let alone run their lives for them. And consider this kiddies, ALL organized religion exists solly for the benifit of their respective priests and/or to keep the general population in place. The most blatant example of this can be found in Hinduism where for some reason the two highest casts are the priests tightly followed by the warriors, gee I wonder why... As for weather ol' Hellboy has sponsors or not, who cares! I'm pretty sure we, the readers, could make the difference between a shameless commercial plug and what could actually be good movie...I meen it's not like we're Cult followers...And I'm sure none of us would begrudge Harry of actually make some cash whilst running this place. Oh, and oh yeah, DMFC or whatever you choose to call yourself, even though I tend to disagree with a lot of what you're saying, you still have the right so say it, stupid as they may be. It's called Democracy folks, look it up. So, Free DMFC.
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What the hell is Travolta talking about? The top selling sci-fi novel of all time? Not even close. The only record that that book might be able to lay claim to is top selling L. Ron Hubbard book of all time. There's no way that piece of crap book came anywhere near to "Dune" or "Foundation", legitimate classics in the genre. "Battlefield Earth" is a joke. DON'T SEE THIS MOVIE!! The money is going straight to the Scientologists, and they will use it to brainwash weak-minded souls and violate the civil rights of their minions. It is a real shame that idiots like Travolta and Cruise give those criminals a legitmate-looking face, they are just pawns in the organization's attempt to control more people and bilk them out of their money. Boycott this movie!
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We could have a new member of my "bottom five" of all time before the summer's out. Just check the "filmography" of the director (their word, not mine) over on IMDB if you don't believe me...phew...
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They pulled this trick with Battlefield Earth - the "novel"
by ol' painless
I think the funniest part of this films opening will be all the clean shiny 'people' lining up, that curious glazed sheen of fake joy cultists do so well plastered on their faces. Ask them what they are going to see: the reply "I don't know - my leader told me to be here - I am told my Thetans will be purged if I do" Show up again in a week - see the same glazed expressions on the same people - ask them what they are going to see: the reply "Our leaders told us not to speak to you. You are riddled with Thetans!" Then they all pull out camcorders and start filming you till you leave. Then John Travolta will appear in 9-foot high KISS boots, the Scientologists mistake him for a Thetan, and beat him to death with their camcorders.
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What a turgid piece of shit this looks set to be. Low camp nonsense at best - exactly how much did it cost? By the way, there is this fantastic warts and all biography on L Ron Hubbard called "Bare-faced Messiah" by Russel Miller. Someone should buy the rights, give it to Milos Forman, cast Ed Harris and Courtney Love and make a critically acclaimed black comedy. It would be a damn sight more enjoyable and would probably make more money than this lobster of a movie.
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Actualy yes, it is a decent Sci-fi book. But it is so long (over 1000 pages) and so twisted plotwise, it could never have been made into a decent film. From what I have heard they are only using about 1/3 of the story in the book, and they screwed that up by not telling it as it was written. Now I don't care about scientology, I just liked the book and would recommend it as a decent sci-fi novel. Maybe not one of the best of all time as the trailer proclaims, but still a good read. Sad to see this movie is going to butcher it. Not really sure what Travolta was thinking....Oh I know, he wasn't thinking, he was brainwashed by a cult into doing it.
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Battlefield Earth was the GREATEST book ever WRITTEN!!! It has such INCREDIBLE writing and AWESOME characters!!! I feel that Travolta is a GREAT ACTOR and thet he is PERFECT for Terl!!!! That clip got me SO excited, I cannot WAIT for this movie!!! This will be the GREATEST sci-fi movie EVER!!!!!!
Oh, wait a minute. Sorry. I thought I was on the OFFICIAL Battlefield Earth message boards for a second. I forgot I don't have to kiss Hubbard's ass anymore.
While it's possible to make a good movie out of a mediocre/sucky book (a la Forrest gump) I suspect that this movie will suck more ass than a liposuction clinic, if the Leno clip is any indication. They look like Klingons, think like Ferengi, and nobody can act! -
I read this novel in high school. It was a shit-caked, dated piece of Flash-Gordon-wannabe pulp fiction when it was published. This movie will be a shitcake, with shit frosting and feces sprinkles.
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Looks as though Travolta will need another Tarantino ressurrection...what a shame:(
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If you think that the Church of Scientology is
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The book was neatly packaged toilet paper. The movie will have even less worth cause you can't wipe a your ass on a movie screen.
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I beg to differ - did you see the screen in Theatre 6 at my local cineplex after I watched Mortal Kombat a few years back? - where there's a will (and an ass), there's a way . . . BTW, I tried using my copy of BE i bought when I was a stupid kid unkowing of the brainlessness of $cientology as toilet paper, but found, to my mirth, that like magnetism, shit repels shit. Looks like I'm off to Theatre 6 when BE is polluting our screens to make my mark again . . .
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Y'know, I was willing to give this a shot, figuring that if it had aliens, spaceships and explosions, it might be worth an hour or two of mindless diversion. However, that clip was just nauseating. Hearing Preston whine "You said we were going to be rich!" or whatever just made my morning K-rations heave hard-a-starboard. BTW, Punkasskid: There may be some theater-goers at the UA Theater in Spring Valley, NY who might dispute that claim!
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Check out this November Washington Post article on Travolta and Battlefield Earth. I never thought Johnny was truly screwed up till I read this.
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LOL. If there really is shit from someone's ass on your movie screens then you have some real degenerates living in your 'burgh!
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Scientology is only as looney and dangerous and greedy as a certain belief system to arise out of the Middle East. Christianity(big surprise!) has been a lightening rod for major problems around the world--wars, ecological disaster, overpopulation and famine due to "be fertile and multiply," attitudes etc etc..secularism(the bastard child of christianity) hasnt been that wonderful either(if you consider the former Soviet union and that huge public sewer China as examples of the doctrine in action). The only type of religions I wouldnt put in the same category as either theism or secularism(oh yes--science-based beliefs also qualify as religion--take a philosophy of religion 300 course if you dont believe that)would be Mysticism--the taoists etc..Once you shed all the mythology added to it--you have some brilliant ideas behind it.
Whatever the case may be--I would have become a scientologist just to get in an arranged marriage with Mimi Rogers! Otherwise forget it..
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Degenerates doesn't begin to cover it. Turning a showing of "Titanic" into a fecal fresco was just a warm-up for that crew. The Spring Valley theater has since been bulldozed, "passed" into history, you could say.
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I loved it. It was much better than "Cats". I want to see it again and again. I loved it. It was much better than "Cats". I want to see it again and again. I loved it. It was....
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...they stripped me naked, beat me with rubber hoses, sprayed me with cold water and made me promise to never do anything like that again.
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That's the difference between Scientology and "other" religions. Now please don't use papal abuses or the selling of indulgences by the Catholic Church as a counterargument. The founders of Christianity, Islam and so on didn't get enormous benefits from their teachings, they suffered and many of them were martyred. Now let's take a look at Scientology. Founded by a struggling science fiction writer for tax evasion purposes. Is it just me, or are the differences pretty obvious?
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I have got tears running down my face from laughing at CyberTooth's re-cap of the Leno-Travolta interview. Like someone else said, the only good thing about BE: The Moovie will be that at last it will reveal to the world at large just what a colossal joke Scientology really is. "You thought this film was stupid? Wait until you find out about COS! No, really, they're not kidding!" Plus, we can enjoy hearing about how many $$$$$$$$$$ the COS will lose on this POS. Gotta go now, CyberTooth is making my face hurt from laughing.
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...and what a piece of shit! In the world of works of famous Sci-Fi people, I'd stick it down with Douglas Adams lame Starship Titanica and William Gibson's phoned-in All Tomorrow's Parties.
***START SPOILER?***
Pages 1-100: Primative humans kowtow to aliens.
Pages 101-200: Humans find old human military tech, overpower some aliens and resurrect 20-century society in about a two week time frame.
Pages 200-800: Humans kick alien ass. Annoying character named "Johnny" leads the way.
Page 801: Humans shove a bomb in an alien transporter, they download it and their planet explodes.
Page 802-1000: Humans complete their manifest destiny as lords of the universe.
***END SPOILER?***
I read the book before I even knew what Scientology was, but even then I through it reeked of "rah-rah" cheerleading. On the other hand, with a plucky young, white-skinned American boy as the hero and large and dull-witted aliens, I could easily see this as the next Disney animated feature! -
Hey, guys! What is all this foaming at the mouth about Battlefield Earth! I never heard such a load of bullcrap opinions about something NOBODY has seen yet? And then there's all this personal criticism of Travolta, and general religion-bashing. What the hell is going on?
And you think your shit don't stink? C'mon, guys. It's a movie.
The trailer looks cool, that clip on Jay Leno was SOOO funny - John, Forest Whitaker and Kelly - what a tongue! Lighten up, it's a movie.
But all this insane ranting ain't going nowhere. Where are you going to shove all your butt and crap opinions when this movie rocks at the box office?
Let's face it, the deciding factor will be how well this movie performs. And if it performs well, it will be because millions of people all over the world from all walks in life went to see it and enjoyed it as what it is - a really cool sci-fi movie. -
Scientology may not be based on a SF novel, but it could as well be. Now, think of the possibilities! A religion based on J.R.R. Tolkien's writings, now that'd make me a bible freak. Ceorge Lucas could build some Jedi monasteries, where one can contemplate on the force. Skywalker Ranch could be the Mekka of this particular belief system. Or we could pray for the arrival of Kwitzach Haderach, the superbeing also known as Mua'dib. These fantasies already have a cult status, so on to the barricades and activate the followers. True believers, bow down before Stan the man! Okay, I could go on but you get the point.
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Jeez, one clip and suddenly you are the big expert. I saw it. I liked what I saw. What is all this upset? We're talking about a Sci Fi movie, yes? -
Oh, my goodness, Harry, didn't you hear Travolta say that this is the only scene that he and Kelly are in together? At any rate, many of my friends and I thought it was funny but I do not think it is indicative of the rest of the film--look at the trailer again.
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Oh, one last thing. I cannot and do not believe that this is the most embarrassing thing you have seen, Harry. Give me a break.
I have not spoken to anyone who has been embarrassed.
Male or female.
Anyway, as mentioned before, go back and check out the trailer at
http://www.battlefieldearth.net
for what the movie is about.
Peace.
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Greetings, animals! I love it when you fight amongst yourselves on this butt-end of nowhere planet. The less of you animals there are the better! It just makes me richer and more powerful, which is all that matters anyway. And what are you doing wasting time on the net when you should be out working for me! No Psychlo in his right mind would waste time reading a novel or watching a movie. Go find me some gold! Get to it, animals, or I'll send down a gas drone and destroy all you puny humans.
Back on Psychlo, which is a real planet, with proper gravity, where one breathes breathe-gas, not like this crap-awful planet, a teacher once told me that if you can keep all inferior races in their place, then a Psychlo can do well. And that's about it, animals. So learn you lesson well.
So, animals, get off the net and go and have a nice crap!
Terl, Chief of Minesite Security, Earth (crap planet!)
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You poor, silly, naive stupid bastard.
I love people like you.
You re-invigorate my convinctions.
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That pungent smell is not coming from that Sausage McMuffin dangling from your lip fatboy!
It's the smell of the WORST BUZZ in the Universe for a film that clearly looks funnier than Spaceballs and Showgirls combined!
I read a article in Mean Magazine, saying that John Travolta is such a pig that he got totally pissed off on the set because they did not cook Hamburgers made from ground up Filet Mignon....The GENERALS DAUGHTER, now B.E?
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From what I've been reading in the trade mags and seen on the trailers, this movie looks like it will be great.
I've been a sci-fi fan for over 40 years and Battlefield Earth is one I can't wait to see the movie of.
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Is one of the worst and dullest pieces of crap that I EVER laid my eyes on, all of the previous discussion notwithstanding. That Weber's "Honor Harrington", or Bujold's "Miles Vorkosigan" don't get movies, but this amateur potboiler does, makes one extremely suspicious, and pretty cynical.
No comment on the clip -- haven't seen it. No comment on Scientology -- don't care.
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We've read the book (or at least enough of the book to know it was crap).
Besides, there enough movies around that if I want to skip this one merely because of its Co$ involvement, that's my choice.
What worries me is that this is kind of crappy sci-fi movie I saw all the time when I was 13 and stupid as a thirteen-year-old. I probably would have loved. Who knows, they could have had me then and I'd be a Co$ zombie now. -
This movie is gonna suck BIGTIME!
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I thought it was rather touching of EyeWill to defend Travolta, but you can't defend the indefensible. Word is that Travolta is a demanding asshole who won't take a penny less of his million-dollar salary, even when it's strangling the film he's starring in. Plus he'll keep a crew waiting for hours while he eats his lunch (he has to have his personal chef on set at all times; no wonder he's such a butterball). Anyhoo, enough Travolta-slagging. One thing really worries me about this movie, and that's Barry Pepper. He seems like such a nice guy, but do you have to be a Scientologist to star in this film? I hope not.
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I knew some one would make a sequel to it eventually! Hoooooraaaay! Harry, you DON'T want this to be indicative of the rest of the film? It's a comedy, Harry, can't you see that? It's LAKE PLACID all over again!
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To Tom Lee. I thought your posting was at least fair:
FROM "Tom Lee." "Now, I like Travolta--I thought he was good in pulp fiction, get shorty, and I didn't even mind phenomenon (micheal blew though)."
To me that is a FAIR assesment. I admit, micheal wasn't my favorite either and Gold Chains and pefect were horrible. I am one of the few people I know who thought Forrest Gump sucked the big one.(I know Travolta wasn't in it) At least your opinion isn't based on hatred and that was all I was trying to point out. Compare your post with the two below:
FROM ROGER MORTIS "ALL organized religion exists solly(sic)for the benifit(sic)of their respective priests adn/or to keep the general population in place. The most blatant example of this can be found in Hinduisim where for some reason the two highest casts are the priests tightly followed by the warriors, gee I wonder why..."
Or the post from Mr. impossible who says, "Scientology is only as looney and dangerous and greedy as a certain belief system to arrise out of the Middle East Christianity(big surprise!) (sic)
My complaint is not with people who don't like a particular film, or a religion, this one included, it is with those who spew forth hatred, disguised, in this case as reviewing a movie that they haven't seen yet. It seems that hatred begits only more hatred and its only a matter of time before these guys get around to attacking my religion and me because my beliefs are different from theirs.
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The $cientologists are here!! Fighting the evils which assail $cientology from all sides, and threatens their right to believe that were are all infiltrated with the spirits an alien race that was once chained to the side of a volcano. I salute you - your collective brains may be the side of a pea, but at least you can claim that you follow a religion lead by a conman-woman-abusing-paranoid-schitzophrenic-powertrip-tax-evader looney tune, L Ron Hubbard. That's right, MATTEOH, HARRYB and XYLON, I'm calling ya out!! You are BUSTED! You came under the auspices of being 'fans' of BE, but I could smell you coming a mile off. FLEE I say, FLEE back to your temples and your manic street preaching. You know what tipped me off? The fact that ANYONE could find that fucking clip funny, and the fact that you just can't bring yourself to say naughty words. Why say crap when you can say shit? Are your leaders monitoring your email for unclean language? I truly hope you guys are actually parodies of $cientologists in disguise, because if you are the best they can come up with by way of reply, then the rest of us have nothing to worry about.
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Most of the so-called "criticism" on this site can be broken down into the following categories(in order of frequency):
1) Rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth anti-Scientology haters who just can't wait to find any opportunity to bash anything remotely connected with Scientology, no matter what it is. Plus they just want to use their posts to advertise their anti-scientology hate-filled web sites.
2) Wacky, anti-religion types who not only hate Scientology, but also the Mormons, (ie: half of Utah), the Jehovahs Witness, Muslims and several who even hate Judaism and Christianity. In other words, they hate somewhere between 1/2 to 3/4 of the entire population of the planet. Talk about brotherly love!!
3) Mindless armchair critics who follow along like sheep without actually forming an opinion of their own and just love to join in on the attack on anything, just as long as they can get in a couple of expletives and use the word "suck" or "blow" a couple of times. These are the idiots who would say that "The Matrix" sucked if Harry had said so first. (By the way, this category are seriously spelling-challenged)
4) People with actual opinions about the movie or the book who actually have maybe even read the book, and are not basing their entire opinion on one photo and one clip. Whether these guys hate or love the book and what they have seen so far of the movie, at least they use more than 1/100th of their brain power in forming an opinion.
Just read through the posts and tell me if I am not right.
Sadly, people in category 4 are seriously lacking on AICN at the moment, and while the current posts may look entertaining, I have not seen one actual real discussion of the book or the movie.
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The book was okay. It was one Hubbard's few decent books. But it was about a thousand pages too long. It would have been better as a series. Regardless, as far as quality goes, it is to good science fiction (like someone said earlier...dune, foundation...and the first three space oddysey books) as the Dragonlance books are to Lord of the Rings.
Also, I think a lot of people automatically bad-mouthed this movie (BEFORE The first images came out! Now they have every right to do so!) because they were getting Battlefield Earth mixed up with Mission Earth. Mission Earth had no redeeming characteristics. It was one tenth as substantive as the already fluffy Battlefield Earth, and what...5 times as long. (And probably not even written by the old bastard.) -
Hi Scienos (EyeWill, 1412, MatteoH). To EyeWill: You still haven't answer my questions. I'm waiting! Anyway, Scientology has noting to do with a religion. It's a criminal organisation. Why Do you think the wife from L.Ron Hubbard was in jail in the U.S.?
And why is John Travolta never telling what he believes? I mean the story from the galactiv overlord XENU, who brought the frozen people with a spaceship to Teegeeack!
Waiting for your answer! :)
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To JetAlone, Far from defending John Travolta, I was simply pointing out that much of the posting here seems based on hatred rather than cinematic content or any part of the film making process. This film might be horrible,it might be great. I don't know, as I haven't seen it. That's the entire point here. However, when people make comments such as, "Word has it..." I have a problem with that as it usually means they are masking their own thoughts with comments that have no way of being verified. Aside from all of that I also defend your right to have your own personal thoughts and feelings and to post them here. I was simply doing the same. I sincerely hope this post won't lead to my being flamed too badly here, as I really like this site and I think that regarding other areas about other films, there are some very witty and insightful postings. I am old, so take it easy on an old man for expressing his opinion.
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Thank you, Avilon, for putting some sanity onto this site!
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It's the ever present asshole who never actually contributes anything himself, only makes deriding remarks about the other talkbackers and the sad state of talkback itself, while feebly attempting to self-actualize by separating himself from the masses. There's plenty of guys like you in category five. Funny, the names change but the attitude stays the same.
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l ron hubbard was a f-d up individual and this whole movie is tied up with scientology, which couldnt suck more.
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Damn it! I knew when I posted here that it was only a matter of time until some idiot would label me a scientologist because I didn't join in with the hatred they were spewing. Does that mean I can get in the theatre at a discount? If I question someone attacking the Mormons or Christians or Hindu, does that make me a member of those religions? If I defend Science Fiction, does that make mean alien? (well that'd be cool) Okay here it is then, I am defending good looking, older men, who are rich, have a Rolls Royce and a Porche, that women adore and men admire, that are articulate, thoughtfull, considerate and wise beyond belief. I wholeheartedly defend them. Now that I am one of the above people that I descibed, any nice older ladies out there interested? Cool!
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Hey, asshole, do you want me to call you a cunt, and say that you are a shit-dribbling dickwipe? You think your shit don't stink? What kind of fucked up drugs and therapy are you on? When this movie is a huge success, eat shit! -
When you are going to answer my questions! What do you think about the hate from Scientology like to call everyone who criticize Hubbard or Co$ CRIMINALS? No comment?
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Well, Animals, you're right to be fighting amongst yourselves. I like it. Fight on! It only makes you all much easier to control. And as a security chief, I ought to know. And the fewer of you animals there are, the better.
All those against that goody-goody writer L.Ron Hubbard, you're with me. I hate people going around writing novels. Who'd read a novel? Good waste of kerbango time. Better still, you animals should be out mining gold to make me rich and powerful. That's all you're good for! What are you rat-brains doing on line in the first place, I'd like to know. Get off your butts and get to work for me!
I might add that all those animals who support the arts are just stupid animals. Sentient beings indeed! Anyway, Psychlo will smash you all to smithereens whatever you do. Ha! Ha! If there's one thing I love to see, it's a puny human animal explode in a pale pink mist at the wrong end of a blast gun.
See ya later, animals,
Terl, security chief, planet earth (what a crap-awful planet!)
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You know, I considered leaving my post as is, since, in its own childlike simplicity, it nicely mirrored the shallowness that is the Church of Scientology. Let's see..... well, the CO$ has been nicely eviscerated on this talk back; so, I think I'll just say that Niiiice's post made me chuckle and leave it at that. Oh, and Glegg..... I'm still giggling over "fecal fresco." Sounds like the blurb that should adorn every BATTLEFIELD EARTH print ad.
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Interesting! According to L.Ron Hubbard (Ron's Journal 32, 1980) the Psychlos are the Psychologists. And I thought there is nothing from Scientology in the movie!:)
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Much in the same way Battlefield Earth became the "most popular sci-fi book of all time". A bunch of Scientology nutcases, secretly on perscription drugs, go in and buy preposterous amounts of Battlefield Earth books, in the process wasting their money (and the enviornment!) in L. Ron's cravat-wearing name. Suddently, meanmo! It's not only the most popular sci-fi book of all time, but amazingly also the least-read sci-fi book of all time. I picture thousands of Scientology households using Battlefield Earth books as television stands, tables, and makeshift dining room tables. Anyhow!
I can see it already: somehow Battlefield Earth will do tremendously well at the box office, and yet -- all the showings will be mysteriously empty! This will happen faster than you can say "I'd like 600 tickets to the three o'clock showing of Battlefield Earth, please." -
L. Ron Hubbard and John Travolta and all the other Scientologists can kiss my Catholic altar boy ass! This movie looks like trash and I believe it will send Travolta into his second exile from Hollywood, and this time Terrantino won't be able to bring him back! Give me a friggin' break, Scientology... A religion based on Science, isn't that the biggest fucking oxymoron ever.
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I'm planning to see the film and I suspect many others here will do the same.
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That animal Leescratchperry is a an animal after my own heart, even if he is a man-thing. He's got it right. Bash 'em up, Leescratchperry! Smash 'em, kill 'em. Yes, when you animals start fighting amongst yourselves, it makes a Psychlo feel good. The less of you there are, the better it is. Keep fighting, animals!
The only thing that matters here is that I become rich and powerful. Leescratchperry, you can be part of my team, so long as you get off the net and start mining me some gold. Get to it, animal, or I'll send down a gas drone and destroy all you puny humans.
Back on Psychlo, which is a real planet, with proper gravity, where one breathes breathe-gas, not like this horns-awful planet, a teacher once told me that if you can keep all inferior races in their place, then a Psychlo can do well. And that's about it, animals. So learn you lesson well. Leescratchperry, you are enlisted! Get to work! By the crap nebula, with your kind of truth going around, this planet will get real messed up and I can get on with my own plans.
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Eeeeeek! He used the c-word! Scientologists can be fierce! You are so right! My shit DOES stink! The cable I laid tonight made squirrels drop out of trees three blocks away! My drug? No need
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It sounds like you are in therapy but won't admit it. Are you, or are you not? As for agreeing to eat shit when this movie is a hit, well, good, you'd better get ready.
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Wow! Hold off you guys!
This can be a good movie.
I read the book, and I loved it.
Why not see the entire movie before you start these negative comments? I am going to see it, and I'm sure I will have a good time.
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Who needs therapy when I have all you $heepologists to laugh at? Baa. Cannot think for self. Need pseudo-religio-money-laundering crutch to lean on. Eat grass. Sleep. Baa. Must stand still while getting taken from behind by leader. Baa.But one thing I have noticed about YOU, Matty-poo, is that you have now TWICE spurned the golden opportunities I have given you to deny you are a $cientologist. Which means . . . . eeeeuuuuuuuuuuugh GROSS!! I
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I wish that all those who are using this message board to air their views on unrelated subjects would go elsewhere to spout off. If someone has a bug about religion or the personal lives of the stars involved in this movie, or the author of the book it was based on, button it up! I really enjoyed the novel, and rate it as one of the best sci-fi novels ever. This movie seems to be in the spirit of all great sci-fi movies - Bladerunner, Star Wars, Independence Day, Dune, War of the Worlds, Stargate and so on. I can't believe Warner Bros. is at all interested in anything else than box office, and putting out a great entertainment with one of the planet's biggest stars. The director, Roger Christian, worked on all the Star Wars movies, as second unit director, and has directed a few of his own cool movies. From the trailer it looks like Battlefield Earth the movie is going to be one of the all time great sci-fi movies!
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I just picked up the newest edition of Battlefield Earth with Travolta on the cover.
There is also an "E" version that you can download onto your "E-Book" or computer.
Check it out at bn.com
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Roger Christian was only second unit director from the PM, not all Star Wars movie. He made cool movies? Ha, tell me one. One word to Warner. WB is the distributor nothing else. They have no money in this movie at all! Sorry that you can't answer me! I know my name is 'XENU' and it's not allowed to say this name in public for Scientolgists! And Remember: Battlefield Earth was no BESTSELLER. Co$ bought all the books back. Check it out: www.xenu.net
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Johnnie -- and all you Scientology plants who wish us to "go elsewhere" to "spout off". -- we can work together to overcome your fear of "free speech". I know you can't control us -- it must be infuriating! -- but I'm sure there's a good therapist or drug that can help you get over your problem. The simple fact is that in the minds of the movie going public, Battlefield Earth = Scientology. As such, discussing Scientology in this forum is ENTIRELY appropriate -- this movie and your cult go hand in hand. It'd be like telling people not to discuss baseball in a talkback about Field Of Dreams. So, suck it down, read up, and face the chilling fact that most people know about your little scam -- exploit the weak, make some cash, and pay tribute to L. Ron "Dead" Hubbard! Or, as I hear you guys call him behind his (dead) back, "Admiral Limpwrist of the Rainbow Org", who is working his way 'up the bridge', if you know what I mean.
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That having been said, I must respectfully disagree about religion. There are plenty of worthwhile religions out there: Catholicism, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Vedanta, and even many modern takes on these religions: Sri Aurobindo, Teilhard de Chardin, etc. Religion serves the very human need to reconnect with the divine and to explore our spirituality and to find enlightenment. Unfortunately, $cientology takes advantage of these desires in order to line some pockets. Have other religions ever caused trouble? Everyone knows they have. Usually at the hands of some leader who has worldly designs and uses faith to achieve these ends. $cientology, however, is nothing but a worldly design, with a doctrine that lacks any meaning or ability to deliver enlightenment. I've read some of their crap - it's as though hubbard just stapled a bunch of stuff together from different philosophers and traditions, called it the truth, and set to work raking in the filthy lucre. Dianetics is a really poorly written piece of work I might add. Or that's my take on the issue. And oh yeah, to the staff - people like DMFC actually improve the quality of this forum because they are interesting. Sure their points are tangental (as are mine often), but let's face it, tangental issues are often the most interesting. Besides do you really think you can post an article about a project that is $cientology propoganda (and half-assed looking at that, and from a book that would never have been published by a real publisher) and expect that the conversation will not eventually turn to scientology and religion in general?
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So, I went back and looked at the clip with some friends (yes, I taped it) and we all thought it was great. The clip that was shown definitely showed the characters as characters. Terl while an evil dude is humorous in the book, and should be in the movie. The people with me who viewed it all enjoyed it and, for those who have not read the book when one combines the new footage with the trailer, you still don't know what is going on--only that mankind is in trouble and this Terl dude seems to be a kingpin in the operation.
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Hey, I hear Ted Turner is starting up his own religion, let's all join up!
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Is the Leno clip and the "official trailer" just part of some insane hoax? This is the most silly thing I've seen in years. Is that big waggly tongue thing supposed to be cool? Were those special effects supposed to be interesting? Barry Pepper's character looks like someone fresh from being Mel Gibson's "BraveHeart" stand-in.
Couldn't the money that they wasted on this movie have gone to filming a GOOD science fiction book like "Snow Crash" or perhaps doing a more faithfull version of "Logan's Run"? Jeez.
This crapbomb is what $80 million produces? Shouldn't society fine people for wasting money like this? And/or decapitate them for being stupid?
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Keep fighting, animals! The less of you there are, the better I feel. I've found some new friends - Elvis Costello and Xenu. Keep stirring it up, man-things, you're doing a great job. You two are interested in money. Sure! But Don't forget it should all belong to me! And as for religions - who gives a crap about those? You man-things are just animals and you don't have souls anyway - so why bother? If there's one thing I hate it's any animal-group that helps other animals. Psychlos believe in help. Sure. Helping ourselves. Ha! Ha! Ha! So now get off line and go earn me some more money. Why are you animals wasting time on your crap-technology computers anyway? Get a shovel and go do something useful - like mine me some more gold. And if anyone offers you some animal-therapy or animal-drugs - go for it. They mess you up real bad, which is a pure delight to a decent young security chief like me. See you animals... at the bottom of a mine shaft. Ha! Ha! Ha!
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C'mon, folks!
I can't believe that there is so much hateful talk about a work of fiction that Hollywood is turning into a movie. Geez! Has anyone actually read the book? If so, have you read it with an open mind? Anyone could pick up any book and find fault in it. Faust was written by a German! Paradise Lost was written by a limey, and the Divine Comedy was written by a wop! Really! And how about that Shakespeare guy? What was he all about? For goodness' sakes! He had to write a play endorsing Henry VIII's decision to dump the Pope in favor of the Church of England as then embodied by Queen Elizabeth. And then what about Tennessee Williams, and Truman Capote, they were fags! Watch out, you might go gay. And Samuel Taylor Coleridge, he was an opium addict! Don't read him, you might get hooked on drugs! And how about composers? Wagner - don't listen to him, he said some nasty stuff about jews, and anyway, Hitler liked his music. Beethoven - wow - he endorsed Napoleon! And Mahler, he was a Jew who turned Catholic! And what about that naughty Gaugin? He dumped his wife and family, went to Tahiti, slept with tons of native girls, got and spread about the clap, which killed him. Modigliani. Very immoral - don't look at his paintings, you might take to drugs and become totally promiscuous. Van Gogh? Went crazy and killed himself. By the same token, if you look at his paintings, you might suffer the same fate. C'mon, folks! One can't get anything out of a work of art if one starts harping on about the artist's personal life. It's got nothing to do with the quality of the work.
And by the same rules, do you really decide which movies to go see on account of the personal characteristics of the director, producers, actors and so on? I work in Hollywood, and some of the stories behind many movies would make your hair stand on end. But the movies turn out fine, the public goes and enjoys them, and that's that.
I mean, Hollywood has had its fair share of murderers, cheats, perverts, druggies, alcoholics, crazies, religious nuts, megalomaniacs and so on. So what? What really counts? The movie. Isn't that the case? Does one discount a movie because some of those involved are scumbags? And even then, how does one really know they are scumbags? Do we really know - I mean what substantial evidence do we have that backs up the rumors about various stars, producers and directors? And how about the lowly scriptwriters? Mostly no one even notices who they are or what the work was really based on. And do you give extra special points to artists who lead exemplary lives? Can't think of many, but Haydn was one. Does he get extra points? T.S. Eliot?
So, L.Ron Hubbard was first a pulp fiction writer. I think he was the first writer in American history to write a pro-native American Indian novel, Buckskin Brigades, about the Blackfeet, published in the 30's, not many decades after the Indians had finally been crushed practically into non existence. And how about Final Blackout, a novel about the horrors of war, published in about 1940? These have nothing to do with either Scientology or Dianetics. They're just entertaining novels.
And, so is Battlefield Earth. It's about the triumph of the human spirit against massive odds. That's the theme of much great art. Somebody getting up and doing something to make life better for everyone. Who can argue against that? It's about you and me and our neighbors and friends, and people in other countries and on the other side of the world banding together to break free from oppression.
Every act in life that we do that takes us forward rather than backward requires a little courage. Asking for that first date, making that first kiss, taking that new job, proposing marriage, buying that house, running that marathon, starting that business, changing an unworkable law, searching for the cure to a disease... these all require more than the average amount of courage to do, and the people who keep on pushing themselves a little all the time can be seen to succeed. They triumph over themselves. So it's only a matter of scale. Are you succeeding in clearing up a messy house, trash in your street, a filthy city, a wrecked country or a polluted planet? Surely anyone trying to get something done, in either fiction or life, should be applauded? Is it not that ultimately we want to transcend the barriers of race, gender, sexuality, nationality and religion, and triumph over any system or people who try and maintain those barriers and enforce them on unwilling people?
That may all sound a bit serious, but Battlefield Earth is a rip-roaring sci-fi adventure story about a guy who goes from living in a primitive state, without even being able to read and write, to mastering even alien technology, and using his smarts to kick the butts of the people who have trashed the human race and Planet Earth. This isn't a new story - (ID4, War of the Worlds and so on) and literature abounds in heroes - some of them (Superman, Batman, Spiderman etc.) who even have super powers.
I suggest we all sit back, forget all this arguing nonsense and enjoy the Hollywood version of a great sci-fi novel. What more can one ask? Do we not all at heart want to do well, have good friends and take pleasure out life? Are not the movies a successful form of art? Are we so debased that we have to ruin our enjoyment of a movie by bickering about the religion of the guy who wrote the book that the movie is based on?
And let me just add, and this is from personal experience, that after a novel has been turned into a script, and then made into a movie, it is, more often than not, altered beyond recognition. And movies are team efforts - collaborative. Do you seriously think that all those hundreds of people have joined together in some weird conspiracy to pull a fast one on the public? No way! As always, a team of human beings from all walks in life has gotten together to try and produce something of value.
I'm sure that the only agreement on the set of Battlefield Earth, and in the offices of Warner Bros, was - let's make a great movie, and let's hope millions of people really enjoy it. I for one am looking forward to seeing it, and I hope you all do too.
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Great article in Star Log mag about BFE.
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The problem with all the examples you just gave is that they all have one thing in common: talent. This is something not often mentioned in the same breath as the name L. Ron Hubbard unless the words "lack of" are also mentioned. And no, I haven't read the book, just HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of negative reactions from people who have. I haven't seen Wild Wild West or Ishtar either, but I don't feel I'll be missing out on life by missing out on shit. If you have any problems with us stating our opinions you Halle-boppin' freak, then just give L. Ron more money and maybe he'll make us all go away.
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Since you haven't read the book, but have listened only to the negative reactions, and ignored the positive ones, why don't you read the book yourself and then make up your own mind? I think it's a great book. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but when people form opinions based on hearsay, it's a bit difficult to have any objective discussion of the subject. Some people like Arthur C Clarke, Frank Herbert, Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov and so on, and some people don't. That's fine, but at least they read the books before deciding.
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Hey you sock-puppets from Scientology! I'm still waiting for the answers to my questions! To MatteoH: Repeat the communication course from Scientology. It seems you missed the course! But anyway, what do you think about all the lies from Scientology, Travolta and the filmakers that there is no connection between Author Services and Scientology. According to the Scientology-IRS Agreement the shares from ASI are in the hands of the Church of Spritual Technology, a suborganisaton from Scientology.
Why is Travolta not telling the truth, or lied Scientology to the IRS?
What did you say? It's not allowed to answer this question for you, sock-puppets?!
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Every time I walk by the atrocious-looking Scientology building in my hometown, I am accosted by pamphlet-donning squeegie kids with mossy teeth. Sometimes I'll give one a quarter and run away. I'll never watch this movie, well, maybe if I'm stoned. I'll watch anything when I'm stoned.
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Well said, MatteoH. Read the book! I did and I thought it was great! It was originally published by St.Martin's Press (a respected publishing house) to rave reviews. Kelvin Johnston of The Observer of London wrote in 1984: "I came to scoff and stayed to praise... as a swift moving adventure story it is first class." This was in a review called the "veterans' reunion," with reviews of Asimov and Frank Herbert. He described Hubbard as "a giant of the pulps under the legendary John W. Campbell." It may irk some to hear it, but Hubbard's history as a writer in the 1930's and 1940's puts him right up there at the top. He was both popular with the public, prolific and very successful. The Baltimore evening Sun, for instance, wrote in 1982: "Battlefield Earth is a magnificent... Star Wars-type novel, lavishly written with wit and adventure." It was decribed as "good old 'pure' science fiction." Publishers Weekly wrote: "In the 1930s and '40s Hubbard was a leader among a crew of fast, versatile wordsmiths... In SF, he gained a reputation as a superlative storyteller with total mastery of plot and pacing... This (Battlefield Earth) has everything: suspense, pathos, politics, war, humor, diplomacy and intergalactic finance... SF's new, larger audience is about to discover an old master." Along with A.E.van Vogt, Robert A. Heinlein, John W.Campbell and Isaac Asimov, Hubbard was responsible for the explosion of sci-fi 60 years ago. I think this movie will set new standards of sci-fi for many years to come. Enjoy the book. Enjoy the movie.
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Apr 10, 2000 7:54:46 PM CDT
After seeing that clip, there really isn't any way you can redee
by el duderino
It was actually possible to redeem the X-men film after that shitty teaser was released, but I have no idea how the producers of BE can make this film look remotely good again. Really though, how the hell can this film make itself look good again after that? What the hell was up with that whole dialogue, the absurd camera work, the pointless oral sex jokes!? THIS IS A SCI-FI!! CALL ME UNORIGINAL, BUT MOST CINEMA ALIENS USUALLY DON'T HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT B.J.'S OR EVEN HAVE SECRETARIES!!It was even possible to redeem the X-men film by god, but this film??
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Our Scienos like 'Jonnie' still try to create some postive buzz around this movie! Hopeless! Nobody believes the lies from Scientology. My recommendation to Jonnie: Ceck out www.xenu.net or www.geocities.com/xenu2000/
OP Clambake got it all. Script Reviews, Book Revies, Pictures, Sound-Samples. Go Clambake, Go!
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Is that so? Cinema aliens don't talk about B.J.'s and don't have secretaries? I suggest you watch: Earth Girls are Easy, What Planet Are you From? The Man WHo Fell to Earth, to name but a few. Besides, who sets the standards? Cinema aliens never think or talk about (or have) sex? Hello! If this planet is anything to go by...
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I read the script, it was the most godawful piece of shit I've ever read. It felt like George Lucas (Jake Loyd) wrote it
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Imagine my friends, The Co$ so fears the negative buzz potentially generated by this site that they must send forth their legions of whimpering coprophiles to stuff the Talk Back with "balanced" and "unbiased" views. Look upon our works and tremble, oh ye can-holders!
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Xenu, are you sure you're not a Psychlo? Knew a Xenu once, back on the home planet. He sure was a funny guy. Trashed a whole planet by mistake - just blew it up - how we laughed when he told the story. So what are you doing on this blasted place with all these animals? Have you been hunting them, or just messing them up good and proper? Come over to Minesite 16 sometime and have a saucepan of Kerbango. If you're the Xenu I knew, I'll give you a couple of animals to claw up nice and slow and we can gamble a few credit units.
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First, I have a sneaking suspicion that Scientology is going to gather together all the posts by "Terl3000" and compiled them in to a NEW! book, written by L. Ron Hubbard! Hey, I bet it becomes a bestseller! Hey, Johnny et al, how is it that L. Ron "Anyone else see those elves?" Hubbard is STILL writing books despite being dead? Second, I find it hilarious that they're cracking out the "how much do you make spreading this hate?" and "who do you work for?" crap. So predictable and unoriginal, these Scientologists. How long until they ask us what our crimes are? Bwahaha. Personally, I'm Scientology's worst nightmare. I'm young, I own my own business, I've never seen a therapist or been on perscription drugs, I'm not paid off by any conspiracy-creating organizations -- and I have no criminal record and have never committed any crimes! Oh my GOD (or, sorry, Xenu), HOW is it that, despite all this, I still despite Scientology? SURPRISE: I did research, and thought for myself! Can't wait for Battlefield Crap! I'll be there -- laughing along with all of America! Give it up, Scientology! Haven't you made enough money from the poor and helpless?
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Thanks for your silly response! And actually what's wrong on www.xenu.net? Give some examples?
And it's xenu.net not xenu.com! Your supervisor told you the wrong URL, sock-puppet! My best wishes to Mike Rinder!
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Ok, all of you. I know (and care) next to nothing about Scientology. It's not a belief system I want to get into. But just cuz l.ron may have been wacko and written some clunkers and John Travolta is his religion's poster boy doesn't mean anything about his books! Most of you say you haven't read them; oh, so, now you're an expert on how much they suck? BF the book kicked ASS! I've read it 3 times; all 1200 pages are cool and involving. If the movie sucks, don't blame your flaming disdain for L. Ron's religion or for Travolta. Read the book, avoid the movie.
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I can't believe you could look at this clip and not see how great this movie will be. battlefield Earthg is going to be the greatest sci-fi film of our time.
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Apr 10, 2000 9:34:49 PM CDT
I've read extensive Hubbard, and I found them to be quite enjoya
by niiiice
Then I turned 12. Seriously, I can't see how any people who consider themselves adults can derive any benefit to their lives from reading Hubbard. Only nerdy kids who love sci-fi (like I was back then) could get anything out of it, and that's because they aren't old enough to understand half of the crap that is actually being crapped out. I read 6 of the "decology" Mission: Earth, "Fear", and another one, Blackout or something. After hearing all about the mess of Scientology, I revisited his works in high school and I couldn't force myself to read any of it. I recognized it for the worthless trash it was, and this was from only two years of high school literature studies. I'd hate to think how low I would regard it if I ventured towards it again.
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You know the old saying in press agentry: "I don't care what you say about me, just spell my name right?" Well, most of you guys are so over the top that you have just about guaranteed that this movie will make a ton of money.
It is now inevitable. And I consider that a fitting end for the xenophobic anti-religious hysteria you guys generate any time you hear someone utter the words Battlefield Earth.
You have become so predictable that I'm sure you're being played like little violins to generate interest in the film -- controversy always does that.
But do carry on. You only have a few weeks left to turn this film into a blockbuster!
Ben
Oh, BTW, the clip on Leno was funny. Psycholos are supposed to be thoroughly evil but small minded creatures. You're surprised that they come off this way!? Come on!
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A man writes a book that demostrates how great man can be, demonstrates the best qualities that someone could strive for - and a bunch of assholes come on line and try and tear it down - Don't you guys think you are being a bit obvious in your attempt to demonstate how destructive you really are?
No one could watch this movie or read this book - I read it two times and I know that anyone who goes to this movie will leave feeling better about himself - better about lfe and better about his fellow man - now really what could possiblt be bad about that - on what planet is improving life and improving your own awareness a bad thing or a thing to be criticized.
I challenge anyone to see this movie and not be totally satified - and if there are folks out there who can't stand anything good - i really feel sorry for them - your life must be a constant flow of sadness and despair.
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I agree with Avilon - there are way too many arm chair critics here whose sole intent is just to bash the movie because it's associated with the founder of Scientology. I've seen the movie clips and read the book - it looks very entertaining to me. I also find it interesting how many people are busy bashing John Travolta in this process when these same people probably loved him in Pulp Fiction and some of his other great movies. It would be great to see some real sensible "discussion" of this movie. I for one intend to see the movie no matter what!
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I'm ready for May 12. I do like what I've seen and think it's great for a sci-fi movie.
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I am with Hock13. I say it will be a great flick. And all the pissing and moaning from the peanut gallery can't change that a bit. I think all these rabid Bush League critics are gonna have to eat some serious crow.
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Apr 10, 2000 10:39:59 PM CDT
Rumor has it, when Travolta comes, he spews like a firehose and
by darthjoe
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Apr 10, 2000 10:49:06 PM CDT
MatteoH, here are some reasons why I am not going to waste my ti
by vegas
Heart of Darkness. Ulysses. The Art of War. Naked Lunch. Metamorphosis. In Cold Blood. The Big Sleep. The Origin of Species. Death in Venice. These should keep me busy enough through summer while you're reading your twelfth copy of Dianetics. You see, with so much in the world which I have not experienced, I tend to pick my experiences on the basis of what I think I will enjoy most. Battlefield Earth is so far down that list that James Cameron should be making a movie about it underwater.
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...I don't give a shit about Scientology, this movie, or the dipshits spewing bile. I just gotta give props to "J Paco" for quoting "My Favorite Year" waaaaaaay back up the talkback ladder.
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OK, I can respect that. Point taken. And incidentally, DarthJoe, that was disgusting. *shudder* I'm gonna go look at pictures of Russell Crowe now, in hopes of wiping the image of Travolta's alien schlong out of my mind. Bring on the Gladiator.
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One good thing about Scientologists their philosophy of recruiting millionare movie stars keeps them from panhandling in the airports. But seriously the book was entertaining and if given a serious treatment could make a good movie. But from what i've seen so far it looks pretty campy. I don't really give a shit about the Scientology angle I figure anyone who believes it deserves what ever hardships may follow. As cults go this one is way too far out in left field to ever become much of a threat to mainstream society. At some point I will probably see this movie. It cant be any worse than "Mega Force".
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C'mon! color-coordinated tan super motorcyles, super dune-buggys, and super high moussed up hair held back by "kewl" headbands! That guy was ready to kick ass, or aerobicise, either way! The time had come for an openly gay action hero, and even Jeff K. (http://www.somethingawful.com/jeffk/) couldn't come up with a better one. How dare you insult Megaforce by comparing it with Cattlefeed Dearth!
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OK you $cientologist plants, the reason I will never reread BE is because I will go through several red pens marking mistakes. Hubbard is a horrible writer without an ounce of originality in either his sub-par fiction or his sub-par theological ranting. Here's my question: did Hubbard start $cientology to rake in the dough - or just to create a vanity publisher with a devoted audience? Why don't you guys open YOUR minds and read some real science fiction.
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Hey, thanks for the comment and I am glad you took the time to send something back. I really have no problem with people who don't want to see this movie or any other, for whatever reason and to be honest some of the postings I see for several of the movies on the AICN site are hilarious. I hope I can always appreciate the humor. I also really am glad you decided not to flame my backside. I ain't got that much backside left anymore. Maybe I'll run into you on on the postings for another movie, I think I've seen all I want to see of the hatred and fighting going on here.
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Since this will be my final visit to this portionof the AICN site and since I have have really been puzzled by some of the deep seated hatred I have witnessed here I decided to leave some questions that I think xenu and batfink won't want to answer.
1. You each posted 12 times or more and virtually always try to get everyone to go to your site. (More times if you are using other ID's)
Let$ $ee if we can gue$$ why $somebody would want people to go to their $ite $$$$$$$(ok I admit I ripped that $stuff off) I visited your site and it is just a hatred site based on your hatred of a group of people. In this case the scientologists. If anyone says anything that is not a vicious attack on John Travolta or the BE movie, you come down on them, first accusing them of being scientologists and then you spew forth such filthy language that you ought to have your mouths washed out with green soap. Also, in the postings here I have seen Hindus, Mormons, Christians and "all religions" being bashed. This is very similar to another group of haters that were responsible for wiping out most of my family in Warsaw in the 1930's. Yes, I am Jewish. Boys (I imagined you are boys) you need to realize that any group that is solely based in hatred and the desire to destroy is going to come to a bad end, brought on by their own destructive deeds. I read the other areas of the AICN site and I post there sometimes. I have not seen your names in those other areas of AICN. That leads me to believe you are using this site solely to spread your hatred. The very same thing you accuse the Scientologists of doing. This time it Scientology, next time what? Jews, Baptists, by the way... what is the "correct religion" for all of us. I am dying to know. You have stated you will not see the movie, but I know you will be posting hatred messages about the film after its release, based solely on your hatred. That is really sad. In this case I believe people will have to see or not see the film, but I don't think anyone witnessing your attacks is going to believe you could be anything approaching fair in your review. I don't want to further inflame you but I have an aol account and I checked on what I could find on John Travolta and for good measure Tome Cruise and Keanu Reeves ( he was also positively bashed before the Matrix came out. Thank God, Joel Silver stuck to his guns and is now laughing all the way to the bank) and if you check there your day will be ruined. There are so many fan sites and people who mention them favorably in their profiles that it makes sense that Travolta can haul down the $20 million he gets a picture. You accuse Travolta's religion, scientology, of being all about money, (heard that one was being pushed in the thirties also)then you want all to come to your web site. You say "they" make their members think a certain way, then you viciously attack anyone who won't share your thoughts, opinions and your hatred and then direct it at a movie you nor anyone has seen! Thanks for the invite to your site boys, I saw it, but I ain't buying (nor giving any money) to anything so hateful. To quote my 13 year old grandson, "Been there, Done that." Never again! I am now changing my user ID for good and I won't be back to this portion of the AICN site. -
Vegas, for all your learned reading, you failed to duplicate the point (the central argument) of my note to you. I don't shoot my mouth off about books I haven't read. Neither, for that matter, do I try and ruin other people's enjoyment of books that I haven't read. Why should I? That would be thoughtless. Can you imagine anyone proclaiming that Ulysses is trash without having read it? What kind of opinion would that be? Uninformed at best. Neither would I try and dissuade people from reading Ulysses on account of the fact that Finnegan's Wake is extremely difficult to read, or because Joyce had syphilis, went blind and never married Nora. I wouldn't dissuade people from reading Raymond Chandler because he was a retiring alcoholic, smoked a pipe and liked cats, or Truman Capote because he was a bitchy old queen, or Conrad because he was Polish and English was his second language and so on and so on. I'm not asking you to like Battlefield Earth, I'm only asking for an intelligent, open-minded, objective discussion about the book and the movie.
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For all the rantings of the uninformed, lets get one thing straight: www.xenu.net is run by a Norwegian guy named Andreas Heldal-Lund, who is so busy fighting off harrassing lawsuits from the CofS that I really doubt he's taking the time to post on AICN. (Also, his English isn't great.) He appears to be running the site because the Scientologists offend his sense of decency. Whether he's making money off it is questionable, considering the money he spends on lawyers. How do I know this? Cause I asked. Go look up his site and ask him yourself.
****Concerning BE, the book was not only dreck, but it actually became painful to read after the first 800,000 pages or so. Bad source material is never a good sign for a movie. The alien design is unimpressive, and it looks like it was designed by a 15 year old fanboy anxious to win the costume contest at a sci-fi convention. All of the early marketing, especially including the trailer, is SHIT. Travolta is a star, but he's no Cruise, and I doubt many people will come to see it just for him. Additionally, like it or not, Travolta's outspoken enthusiasm for Scientology is only going to draw negative attention to the movie from the media as time goes on. And finally, as an ego-booster, let's all sit back and think about how satisfied we'll be when Scientology lawyers complain that the movie failed because of internet posters like us, whose bad feelings about all of this killed any buzz this sad excuse for a movie could generate.****And, hey kids, remember that your e-mail addresses are out there in the open when you talkback, so that if any stray cult members happen to read AICN, you can look forward to a mailbox full of "Dianetics" ads.
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1) Do laundry 2) Smoke crack 3) Write novel about disco-boot wearing 9-foot aliens with huge galactic cocks 4) Sell a jillion copies 5) If fewer than a jillion copies are sold, create religion and impel members to purchase copies of alien cock book 6) Set VCR to record very special "Touched by a Psychlo" episode
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No Way, no how and
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First of, I may not be able to spell worth of shit, I'm aware of this, and guess what? I don't care! It's not the teller of the story that's important, it's (or at least should be) the story itself. I don't Hate religion, I do however have a strong dislike for Fanatics, of any kind. I don't really care weather you worship jehova, god, allah or khtulu, it makes no difference to me, as long as you THINK for yourself! This is why I don't like religion in general, it does not exactly promote free thought, now does it? But if it helps you get through the night, fine. Knock yourself out. I also would like to take this time to say that I don't have anything against John Travolta, I don't know the man, but I do know a little about movies, and as I said earlier I was willing to give this one the benefit of a doubt, the doubt has left town...
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Definition: "An opinion formed without taking time and care to judge fairly" from World Book Dictionary. That's what's coming across here by those determined to bash the movie. You haven't seen it and so you don't know.
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I agree with fish. If this wasn't a hate-based site there wouldn't be all of this vitriolic abuse of a movie that hasn'r even been shown yet. It isn't really about the movie or the book for these people. These are just handy items to use as carrier waves for their messages of hate.How sad that these people sit there in their rooms nd think themselves to be open=minded and fair when in fact they simply paranoid and fixated. -
Wow--there is so much negativity here about this movie. I don't understand it, really, because the movie is not yet out, and so how would all these people know if it were good or bad? In any event, I have read the book, and it was excellent. I also expect the movie to be excellent. If it isn't, well I will know after I see it. However, I will not know until I actually see it. Get it?
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I just happened to see the original computer animation "demo reel" plus interviews with the producer, director and production designer for the film. I am telling you that the thing was incredible. I have been a die hard Star Wars, Comic and Trek fan for many years and this is going to be on par with the best of them.
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Yes, I read it, or a lot of it.
Also some of the Mission Earth books on tape and in print (I bought all of ME and also BE for a quarter each, and when I was done trying to read them, a friend used them to prop a shelf).
Terrible writer, really, really bad, like the slushpile that incoming book readers at a publishing house laugh over.
I think his novellas "Fear" and "Typewriter in the Sky" were at a good high school English student level.
I can't say that for the rest of his writing. If you folks really, really think BE is a good book, what else do(n't) you read?
Even Space Opera needs decent characters, listenable dialog, and an intelligent plot, and since Hubbard lost all sense of wonder and innocence long ago, the crappy style that's somewhat endearing in a John W. Campbell or Doc Smith is not endearing in him, especially since he is the very worst of them all - and didn't make up for his obvious writing failings by at least knowing anything whatsoever about science.
To educate people so lacking in experience with literature that they would praise Battlefield Earth, I would really recommend:
Gibson, William,
--The Gernsbach Continuum, in Universe 11, 1981.
Not just as an example of better style - heck, the back of your cereal box would do nicely for that - but as a better explanation of what I am talking about than I can give here.
William Gibson wrote Neuromancer, which, interestingly enough, is one of hundreds or thousands of SF books more popular than "the most popular SF book of the century"
De gustibus non disputandum est, but this is simply a refutation to the idiots who have *assumed* we judge BE just by the fact that Hubbard was a charlatan and an ignoramus - nope, for many of us (most SF fans, by the way, lots and lots of polls have been taken), his lack of talent speaks for itself. The poor quality of each individual book speaks for itself.
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At least TRY to disguise your posts by not using irritating CoS NewSpeak... transmitting "hate waves" and such. Accusing xenu.net of being a hate-based money-making scheme is naive at best. The operator is an extremely nice guy, and if you'd actually bother to follow the link, you'd see he doesn't put any advertising on his site. But I guess you wouldn't know... clicking might make you a Potential Trouble Source... wouldn't want any jackbooted Sea Org agents dragging you off and locking you in a hotel room until you die of dehydration... what am I saying, you'd probably just think it was getting you closer to Clear. Listen: you folks are free to believe whatever you want, but don't expect me to respect it. And while you should be free to embrace downright idiotic notions of alien overlords limiting your omnipotence with invisible demons, the managing organizations tactics are immoral and illegal, and steps should be taken to abolish them.
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Most of these may not be filmable, but they're at least better: Philip K. Dick's A MAZE OF DEATH and MARTIAN TIME-SLIP
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Ursula K. LeGuin's THE DISPOSSESSED and THE LEFT-HAND OF DARKNESS, Kim Stanley Robinson's MARS trilogy (the next STAR WARS?), and Capek's R.U.R. Try 'em (especially the last one, for a return to old, non-overblown form).
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The reviews, articles, the book itself, all point to this being one of THE best SciFi movies ever!
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Seems like a fair bit of hostility in this chat....I'll see the film, lookin' forward to it.
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Apr 11, 2000 6:50:51 PM CDT
Have you noticed how most of the pro-Co$ people here have number
by vegas
Weird. Anyway, MatteoH (not a number, I know, I said MOST not ALL), I am not going to read the book. If it pleases you, I will not bash the book. I will however, bash the movie, because every piece of footage I have seen as been terrible (in my opinion, I know, but that is what I base my decisions on). I respect your viewpoint, one should not bash what one hasn't experienced, and sometimes I let myself get carried away. Still...I THINK this movie will suck. Bad. I have no desire to read the book. Ever. I do not support Scientology. Money mixed with religion is bad. There, I have said it, it is done.
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Would all of the bigots (defined: "an intolerant, prejudiced person")please quit with the bashing of this movie. It's not even out yet. This site is supposed to be for discussion which means "to consider from various points of view .. suggests considering all sides." It is within the range of possibility that this could be a good movie. I'm going to see it and am looking forward to it!
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While I'm not that much foaming at the mouth with the prospect of this movie coming out I do want to counter some of your arguments:
"Let me see if I get this straight. Some posters to this site, clearly hate John Travolta because he is a Scientologist and therefore he is "a thought controlled robot" or something? The guy makes $20 million a picture and owns a fleet of airplanes. He's been married to the same woman for many years, owns houses around the world, is happy to be a father,hates drugs and yet you hate him solely because of his beliefs."
Does the fact that someone makes $20 million, owns plains and is married etc. make him a good and decent person? Seems a bit naive to me. You told the talkback you're jewish, well, a lot of the most fervent supporters of the nazis were very rich, were married etc. So I wouldn't use that as a well enough reason to validate a person.
"Can any of the "posters of hatred" point to any reviews of a Travolta film where they have given that film a positive review??? Name the site and date of your favorable posting. I thought not. Not very objective. The hater's view of Travolta's work seems in conflict with the public at large."
Again you go for the vox populi, a lot of people liked some of his movies so therefor he's okay? Maybe as an actor to some, but his acting is not the core of antagonism displayed in this talkback as well you know. What kind of reasoning is that if I may be so bold to ask? A lot of people liked Hitler, does this make him an ok person? (hey, you came up with the comparison first even though I think it's ridiculous to compare the two, but I'm willing to play along)
"I have also liked some, but not all of his work. Travolta has his religion and you have your hatred."
Scientology isn't a religion, it poses as one, but is simply a money grabbing organization, messing people up as sort of a secondary activity. They call themselves a church because it's good for taxes. Not exactly a new trick either.
The fact that some of the people here seem a bit passionate about their dislike of said cult may be, because it actually destroyed quite a few people's lives so endorsing a movie that supports this organization or ideas of its late (i'm happy to say) founder, might be something one should consider not doing.
I do not personally hate Mr. Travolta, but the fact that he indeed supports an organiation that is questionable in nature at best, does not serve as a stimulus to see this movie, especially if the movie is based on one of the produces of its founder.
Apart from that, the trailer I saw indeed doesn't make me salivate in anticipation of this movie. It's just a crappy movie based on an equally crappy story, so that alone is enough reason to give it a miss.
The fact that some people here may be a bit impatient about people that don't agree with them, doesn't exactly make them fascists. It's a very childish thing to do and coming from somebody who puts himself on a superior stance is a bit odd to say the least.
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and he couldn't write decent SF to save himself. Hell, he couldn't even manage one single moment of pure pulp poetry to salvage his sorry ass career from the deepest pits of mediocrity. He even gave hack writers a bad name! BE is a truly abysmal work, from a small mind. I know this to be true because I've read it from cover to cover, and if ever there has been a good argument for book burning - BE was it! As for L Ron's 'religion' and the C0$- they deserve nothing but contempt.
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While I once had an interest in this piece of trash, though it seemed like Sci Fi trash of the lowest caliber. However, after reading about this clip and reading further about Scientology, I have to say that I agree with the fellow that postulated that he is sabotaging this bunk so people can laugh it out of existance. I will not see it, nor will I buy or rent the video. While I do not knock anyone's religion, $cientology is on it's best day a parody of a religion that the Subgenius cooked up, and on it's worst the bastard child of Moonies, Heaven's Gators, and The Manson Family. Signed, StDharma the Annoyed.
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From what little I've seen of it, BATTLEFIELD EARTH looks like a cross between ID4, SHOWGIRLS and one of the shoddier STAR TREK movies. Clearly, the intent is to create an SF franchise using elements of numerous other SF franchises. Clearly, this has been attempted with a cluelessness bordering on the sociopathic. Clearly, whatever silly comic-book metaphysical nonsense informs the story will be only a tenth as laughable as what the Co$ has enshrined as gospel in the most secret L. Ron scribblings. The whole thing will be awkwardly overblown in the same 'cultists with a story to tell and lots of money to blow trying to make a Hollywood film and failing in every detail' way INCHON was. However, the Moonies were never quite as scary as the Co$, and that will make watching the thing that much more bizarre. All of which means: I'm there! Opening day! Seven rows back in a center seat! Nothing can keep me from witnessing the spectacle as it was meant to be witnessed! THE NINTH GATE was just an appetizer; BATTLEFIELD EARTH wil be the year 2000's banquet of badness! If it doesn't keep me howling with delight at the profound depths of its crimes against cinema, I will be thoroughly disappointed and demand a refund! If you're in line for the second show on opening day, and you hear a guy asking a member of the staff, "Excuse me, Mr. Acnefaced Ticketman, sir? This movie didn't suck as bad as I thought it was going to, can I have my money back?" Well, that's ME! See you there! - Lemmy Caution, Reporter From The Outlands
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Hey, I read the book years ago. At that time, the thought racing through my head was
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Apr 12, 2000 4:07:12 PM CDT
An interesting "account" of how Battlefield Earth got made
by monkeylucifer
Go to www.factnet.org for an alleged insiders story of how and why Battlefield Earth got made. I don't know if it is true, but it is pretty damn interesting stuff. I'd be willing to bet that there's a kernel of truth it there story, but I highly doubt the subliminal message stuff. It does make sense that the Co$ would believe that the more people who find out about L. Ron, the more people who find out about the Co$, and that a successful movie version of a Hubbard book would be a move in this direction. Anyways, this talkback has lived on well past it's prime, so I suspect nobody will read this anyways. I HAVE read the book, though, and it is complete sci-fi fluff. Absloutely one of the most mindless reads I have ever endured, but it is amazingly quick to read, as L. Ron wrote such uncomplex prose, that R. L. Stine books seem like Shakespeare in comparison.
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JOHN TRAVOLTA: CULTIST STOOGE
$CIENTOLOGY: DANGEROUS SCAM CULT. ILLEGAL IN EUROPE (WAKE UP FOLKS, THERE IS A REASON FOR THIS)
BATTLEFIELD EARTH: PROPAGANDA DISGUISED AS A PAID INFOMERCIAL. DID YOU HEAR THAT ASSHOLE TRAVOLTA TALK ABOUT THIS BOOK AS BEING VOTED THE GREATEST SCIENCE FICTION NOVEL OF THIS CENTURY? HOW CAN THAT STOOGE SAY SHIT LIKE THAT ON NATIONAL TV AND NOT GET CHALLENGED FOR BEING A FUCKING PAID LIAR. ONLY IN AMERICA CAN SUCH FUCKING CLOWNS GET AIR TIME.
I AM GLAD THAT THESE FREAKS ARE FUNDING THIS MOVIE, BECAUSE AFTER THE PUBLIC SEES WHAT PROMISES TO BE THE GREATEST PIECE OF ABSOLUTE SHIT EVER MADE BY HOLLYWOOD, THE $CIENTOLOGISTS WILL BE EXPOSED FOR THE CRACK SMOKING WINGNUTS THAT THEY ARE.
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I saw the Tonight show clip. I thought it looked great. Hey, the whole idea of the Psychlo's in the book is the fact that they are incredibly degraded and evil. Certainly the heavy sexual innuendo and byplay is a natural demonstration of that.
As a sci-fi fan who feels there are too few sci-fi flicks in general I can't wait for this one to come out!
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You know, this whole talkback has had people complaining that everyone is only bashing Travolta and the movie only because he is a $cientologist. Well, Tom Cruise is a $cientologist and you don't see everyone bashing him on the MI:2 talkbacks. No, we bash Travolta and the movie because they are both SHIT with a capital S. Oh, and the book was shit as well.
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and to be honest, it doesn't look that bad. I should say that I saw the trailer, not the movie clip. But so many times the clips that are brought in are not the best clips from the movies. The guest will bring in a bad clip just to yuck it up with the host. I have seen many clips that just looked awful. The actual trailer though seemed o.k.I should also say that I hate all forms of organised religion. I don't argue the existence of God, I argue what some believe to be his words. I also hate how we as a race feel we can change His words to fit our lifestyle. I also hate Travolta. I don't think the guy has ever been good. He is horrible as a bad guy. But this time his voice didn't get under my skin like it normally does. Sum it up like this, I will go see this. If my money goes to those freaks of Scientology, fine. My money often goes places I would rather it not go, it's called taxes. I don't think they will brain wash me into joining them. I am confused though, I have always heard great things about the book. TONS of great reviews. Where all of those reviews also planted by the Church of Scientology? It must be the largest conspiracy ever! Glam on.
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I'm a Christian in a sort of philosphical Taoist, hedonistic utilitarian way, and I can honestly say that I would object to a movie that propogandizes for *any* religon. The fact that the CoS is under indictment on 3 continents and is, by even the narrowest definition, a religious cult has nothing to do with it. Basically, Scientology is not the reason we object to this movie being made. We object to the fact that without scientology, this movie wouldn't have been made.
The hatred people keep talking about shows up in every talkback regardless of topic. It's just not usually directed at anything people feel compelled to defend.
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I'm astounded. This many people? The net-born anti-Sci critical movement has spread much farther than no doubt some would like. Nice to know. *
But guys, not the time or place! Sigh... the movie, stick to the movie! *
Yup, the Psychlos stood for the Psychologists. Pretty obvious. * The movie isn't about Scientology, even tho the Author Services company swung the financing and all that, as I've noted before in an earlier Talkback. It was supposed to be a space opera -- if ya keep saying that it represents the COS religion, you'll get egg on yer kissers come release time. Hubby wrote it during his period of hiding, IMHO as a return in his later life to what he used to enjoy doing, writing SF. The prob with the book, almost all his later books, was the utter lack of an editor. How do you edit the Messiah, honestly? * Don't make the case of Scientology=BE, 'cause not even I will say it does. * Let it sink or swim on its own. * Do love seeing Xenutv.com getting the limelight though. Read all about it! -
On all your negative hateful biased, prejudiced, bigotted, conceited drivel. You people must be getting paid a lot to churn out all this garbage. Get a life.
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Did anyone notice how most of the pro-BE people are have bad grammar/spelling and talk in sentence fragments?
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After looking at all the rhetoric being thrown around here, there's no doubt the Kontroversy Kings have created enough of a buzz to get lots of people out to see this movie.
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Apr 13, 2000 10:28:49 PM CDT
Leno-Travolta piece was surreal and see Travolta in-person at sc
by justwog
I saw a rebroadcast of the Travolta thing on Leno late last night... it was so friggin' surreal!!! Travolta and Leno both know this is gonna be a piece of crap. I can't wait for the next Leno show with JT on the week before release. Also, Travolta is going to be in Denver this weekend at the Holiday Inn for Starfest2000 Convention. /quote John Travolta
Mr. Travolta is starring and producing the upcoming SF epoch,
Battlefield Earth. He chose Starfest as a worthy event to preview footage
from his new movie. He will be appearing onstage in our Main Events Room on
Saturday, April 15. [Scheduled for 5PM ] Battlefield Earth Presentation
An exclusive peek at the much-anticipated movie. John Travolta will be on
stage to answer your questions and talk about his first trip into full-blown
sci-fi. /unquote URL: http://www.starland.com/sf-sc/index.html I hope someone here goes and can tell us how funny it was!!!! bwahahaha
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