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Simon Pegg Says The Villain Of STAR TREK 2 Is...

... not Khan.

Beaks here, first with an apology for the horrendously misleading headline, and secondly a link to this lovely Telegraph profile of Simon Pegg, in which the very fine actor vehemently denies that Khan Noonien Singh is the villain in J.J. Abrams's STAR TREK 2. Here are the two salient paragraphs...

This time, Pegg isn’t the only Brit in the world of Starfleet. Benedict Cumberbatch has been cast as a villain. Pegg is full of praise for Cumberbatch’s baddy, whom he describes as “not just another disgruntled alien. It’s a really interesting… sort of… thing,” he squirms. “Obviously I can’t talk about it.” Given internet rumours that Cumberbatch has been cast as Kirk and Spock nemesis Khan, will this be a very different “wrath of Khan” from the 1982 film of the same name? “It’s not Khan,” replies Pegg, annoyed. “That’s a myth. Everyone’s saying it is, but it’s not.”

Is that misinformation from the famously secretive Abrams camp? “No, I think people just want to have a scoop. It annoys me – it’s beyond the point to just ferret around for spoilers all the time to try to be the first to break them,” says Pegg, a fanboy’s fanboy who wrote an autobiography called Nerd Do Well and who seems to have forgotten that part of the thrill of being a comic book/film/sci-fi fan is about getting as many details as possible in advance. “It just spoils the film,” he complains. “It masquerades as interest in the movie but really it’s just nosiness and impatience. You just want to say, ‘Oh f--- off! Wait for the film!’”

This, of course, goes directly against Latino Review's typically reliable sources, who claimed last year that Khan was the big baddie. Abrams has denied this up and down, but some have suggested that he's leaving himself wiggle room - i.e. Khan may be in the movie, but not the villain. Pegg's comments seem to definitively kibosh any notion of Khan turning up in STAR TREK 2. Seeing as how I trust Pegg impicitly, I'm willing to consider the Khan case closed - which is a relief. I don't want WRATH OF KHAN REDUX.

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  • May 29, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST

    welp...guess he told you guys.

    by gk1

  • May 29, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST


    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

  • May 29, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Would you rather lose both your arms or your penis?

    by Duckenheimer

  • May 29, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST

    And the villain of Iron Man 3 is

    by professor murder

    The Mandarin Not some cyborg guy.

  • May 29, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST


    by Duckenheimer

    This is relevant to the new Star Trek btw. It's importance will become clear in time.

  • May 29, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Waiter! There's a cumberbatch in my soup!


  • May 29, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Stop hounding them.

    by DrBathroomMD

    It's not Khan for Christ's sake. it'd be stupid if it was. This is a new series. New series=new villains.

  • May 29, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Hooray!...Was not looking forward to more rehashing.

    by blackmantis

    Cumberbatch is awesome in Sherlock and will be awesome in this.

  • May 29, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST

    We all know the villain is V-Ger

    by tim hager

    You heard it here first.

  • May 29, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Cumberbatch is playing a Tribble...

    by Paul Metzger

    Sherlock Tribble...

  • May 29, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Of course it's not Khan.

    by ByTor

    I've been saying this on AICN for at least a year. No way will it be Khan. Even all but the most vigorous JJ haters have to know he wouldn't be that hack-tastic.

  • Mark my words!

  • May 29, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Don't you have Cumberbatches in your world?

    by cookylamoo

    They're very annoying creatures.

  • May 29, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST

    It's not Khan...

    by Mikey Wood

    Everyone keeps mentioning WRATH OF KHAN but it wouldn't be WRATH OF KHAN anyway. If anything, it would be THE SPACE SEED (which is an awesome episode) since these new films take place in an, essentially, rebooted season one of CLASSIC TREK. Either way: If it ain't Khan, it ain't Khan. I don't care, either way, so long as it's as fantastic as the first Abrams TREK.

  • May 29, 2012, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Scotty's the villain?!

    by Triple_J_72

    They're not re-hashing "Wrath of Khan," they're re-hashing "Wolf in the Fold?" ;-)

  • May 29, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST

    A Cumberbach completes the look of any tuxedo.

    by tylerzero

  • Khan's son? Khan's clone? The cosmic spawn of Ilea and Dekkard? It's all good when it keeps people interested! $$$

  • May 29, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST

    "...getting as many details as possible in advance."

    by TheLastCleric

    That isn’t a thrill, it’s a form of self-sabotage where supposed lovers of film end up spoiling the entire fucking experience for themselves and then wonder why they don’t enjoy film as much as they used to. I know from experience because I’ve made that very mistake. Pegg hasn’t forgotten anything but rather he’s grown up enough to realize that while a few hints at what’s coming can be fun and exciting, having an entire film laid out before you ever walk into a theater is a pretty shitty situation, self-imposed or not. One of the reasons I’m so excited for Prometheus is because I know next to nothing about what’s coming and that is legitimately exciting.

  • May 29, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Hate Pegg, but hope what he says here is true

    by harry

    Dont need Khan...been done and you cant top it. But I'm not a fan of Cumberbum this doesnt look all that promising anyways. BUT, I will reserve final judgement till I see the movie. Trek '09 was decent, but still subpar for Trek. Just glad Trek is still around in some form, but I long the day of the Shat!

  • May 29, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST


    by marshallwtoneil

    Or Gary Mitchell.

  • May 29, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST

    "Wrath of Khan Redux"? Not quite.

    by Leto III

    ...It would have to be "Space Seed Redux" first, essentially.

  • May 29, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST

    methinks he doth protest too mucheth

    by cozy


  • May 29, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST

    It would be more Space Seed than Wrath Of Khan

    by bingolong

    ...I wouldnt mind seeing that if they could do it right...would be fitting to see that played out n some kind of way

  • May 29, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST


    by Kevin

    DVD review? Website upgrade? Hello?

  • May 29, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Now when he says "IT'S not Khan"...

    by Ribbons

    ...does he mean "the character Benedict Cumberbatch is playing is not Khan", or "Khan is not a villain in this movie"? Those are two very different things. And yes, I'm aware this is the exact kind of question Pegg was grousing about during his interview.

  • May 29, 2012, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Why the hate for Pegg?

    by Jack Desmondi

    He's an appealing everyman actor. And the guy can co-write humorous genre films. Yes, "Hot Fuzz" was boring as shit, but it had its moments. And I liked "Paul"--maybe one of the few who did.

  • May 29, 2012, 3:54 p.m. CST

    I feel bad for clicking on this article now.

    by Dreamfasting

  • May 29, 2012, 3:54 p.m. CST


    by jawaburger

    clearly you jest! On another note, I don't think anyone seriously thought JJ was going to do a Kahn movie. I have to assume that everyone that brought that up as a possibility was joking. Anyone that took it seriously, the joke was on you.

  • May 29, 2012, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Assimov Livessssssssssssssssssssssssssss!

    by Ryan Kinsel


  • May 29, 2012, 3:55 p.m. CST

    He's playing Higgins Boson

    by papabendi

    former Captain of the SS Bullingdon gone renegade. He has taken over the planet Eton and enforced Chatham House rules on it's populace.

  • May 29, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Cumberbatch will sherlock the fuck outta Kirk

    by Chaz

    I bet he's Khan but he'll play a supporting role where he eventually becomes a villain at the end of the film.

  • May 29, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST

    You are an excellent tactician, JJ Abrams

    by George Zip

    You send Simon Pegg to dispel rumors while you sit and watch for weakness. Excuse me I grow...fatigued.

  • May 29, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST

    NuTrek sequel... man, I hope it's good.

    by Astronut

    I liked the first NuTrek, in spite of its flaws. Anyway, yeah, I hope this sequel rocks its balls off.

  • What was up with that little snide remark?! Not all cinephiles and geeks want to learn every secret about a movie before it comes out. Some of us are quite content knowing only what the filmmakers want us to know. Some of us like to go into a movie and be surprised. Sorry Telegraph, but you don't speak for me.

  • May 29, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Pegg: No Khan Do!

    by shane peterson


  • May 29, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    duckenheimer: Penis. It can be more easily replaced

    by Ricardo

  • May 29, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Simon Pegg is correct

    by j2talk

    Simon Pegg is correct too much info is a bad thing, tell what is being made, show me a few photos, ship design, sets etc, but keep the surprises till the film comes out...once the film is released THEN do all the insider, making of stuff....

  • May 29, 2012, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Hm... Perhaps Khan is IN the movie, but not as the villain

    by rev_skarekroe

    Like, the new version of Kirk discovers the Botany Bay but takes a different approach to the situation causing Khan to become his ally against a common threat.

  • May 29, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Lame ass headlines like this...

    by Jim McGhee

    Are why I don't read the Huffington Post. It may as well have said "Click here to see boobies!!!," then when you click, it says "Just kidding, but thanks for making us some advertising dollars you moron!"

  • May 29, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Massive Misinformation Campaign

    by John Brown

    Don't believe a word anyone says.

  • Bullshit. While that may be true for some people, it's also true that some people get high, get naked and eat the face of other naked people under Miami-area overpasses.

  • May 29, 2012, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Benedict Cumberbatch sounds like...

    by SirLoin

    ... a really delicious breakfast.

  • May 29, 2012, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Simon Pegg says the villain of Star Trek 2 is...

    by D.Vader

    ... being played by Benedict Cumberbandersnatch! NEWS!

  • I'm sick of all the 'Hatahway is not right for Catwoman,' 'Bane has to break Batman's back,' Gordon-Levitt is gonna wear the suit,' 'Batman has to die.' I really should go into exile until the film comes out.

  • May 29, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST

    the villain is

    by vulturess

    lenso flareisian. or spok.

  • May 29, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    So there is a villain, but he's not a disgruntled alien...

    by NoHubris

    ...meaning that he is a happy alien -- or -- he is a disgruntled villainous human. We are finally getting closer to the truth! ;-)

  • May 29, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST

    One hour, seven minutes, 46 seconds...

    by John Brown

    ...until the first lens flare comment in a JJTrek talkback. A new AICN record!!

  • May 29, 2012, 4:28 p.m. CST

    even if it's not khan

    by animas

    it is still written by orci, so it has zero chance of being good

  • May 29, 2012, 4:29 p.m. CST

    What thelastcleric said...

    by Jay

    It always amazes me that people clamor for script leaks, more trailers, and spoilers. Only to see the film and complain how it wasn't memorable or surprising. They're mad because they already knew what was going to happen. What to expect. And they blame the film for something THEY did!? And these are definitely the same people that compare every movie they see to those they grew up watching. Like you, I've haven't seen a full Prometheus trailer. Even the trailer that played in 3d during The Avengers had me closing my eyes. What the writer said about fans wanting "as many details as possible in advance" is complete bullshit. Apparently "fans" have forgot how to enjoy a movie. You know how mad you get when someone spoils a movie for you? Than why would you willingly do that to yourself? It's a fucking sad state affairs. Fuck the Internet for that reason alone.

  • May 29, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Khan will prolly be in it as a good guy.

    by Silv

    Then at the end Kirk will do something to piss him off and make him turn and he becomes part 3's bad guy. Kirk will feel guilty for causing him to turn evil and start to doubt himself. It will all feel so poetic. This shit writes itself.

  • May 29, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST

    "Simon Pegg Says The Villain Of STAR TREK 2 Is..."

    by DoctorWho?

    ASIMOVLIVES. As if you didn't see that coming.

  • May 29, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST

    "it is still written by orci, so it has zero chance of being good"

    by DoctorWho?


  • You didn't know shit about the movie unless some news media provided some info, and even then it was barely anything.

  • May 29, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Too bad- Nestor Carbonell would have been a great Khan

    by jtp8000

    Khan with eyeliner AVVVVVONNNN!

  • finally touching a booby.

  • May 29, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST

    How can you hate pegg


    Hes a legend. I am british and Pegg can do no wrong.

  • May 29, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST

    bantuwind, in defense of Khan or no Khan people

    by NoHubris

    Fans are asking for SPOILERS and plot details. They just want to know who the villain will be, which is pretty much standard fare, wouldn't you say?

  • May 29, 2012, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Well, that sure is good news!

    by ChickenStu

    I shall now commence on eating words.

  • May 29, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST

    I dont mind slapping the shiznit out of Cumberbatch

    by Tikidonkeypunch

  • May 29, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST

    I still haven't forgiven "Starlog"

    by John Brown

    for publishing a photo of "Re-Katrafied" Spock on the cover of their special "Star Trek III" issue in 1984. Saw it in Waldenbooks at the mall on the way to see the flick. I was so pissed. I'm with the "give me as little information as possible" crowd. Whoever thinks geeks want to be spoiled is delusional.

  • And he was never a prince of persia.

  • May 29, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Don't call it a comeback!

    by Anthony Torchia

    Khan will show up at an intergalactic tittie bar on Rigel 4 and, well, we all know what happens then ...

  • May 29, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST

    THE VILLAIN (played by Cumberbatch) is...

    by Chris Moody

    Tolian Soran. This will be Nexxus crossover madness...and it will end with KIRK PRIME LIVES.

  • May 29, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Re: What?

    by ArmageddonProductions

    So ... despite the fact that Cumberbatch was officially announced as "Khan" just about everywhere about a month or so back and despite the fact that the IMDb has him listed in the movie's credits as "Khan" (, and despite the fact that at least one of the official set stills from the movie has Quinto giving Cumberbatch the ol' Vulcan nerve pinch, we should put all that aside and take Simon "Scotty" Pegg at his word and assume that he ISN'T "Khan" (or the bad guy)?

  • May 29, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Re: redwhitenegro

    by ArmageddonProductions

    You want me to salute that walkin' pile of pus?!?

  • May 29, 2012, 5:25 p.m. CST

    He sounds pissed.

    by Mugato5150

    I don't see what the big deal is. It's going to come out long before the movie comes out. So what's with the secrecy?

  • May 29, 2012, 5:32 p.m. CST

    I'm reading Pegg differently

    by Bass Ackwards

    It doesn't seem he's deriding the reporting of spoiler so much, as he's saying what's happening here is beyond even that, not reporting spoilers but reporting MADE-UP spoilers.

  • I don't get it.

  • May 29, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Simon Pegg is annoying as fuck

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Especially in Star Trek and MI:4. Hilarious that he spent ten years crying about Jar Jar Binks and then basically copies him whenever he's in a lame Abrams product.

  • May 29, 2012, 5:53 p.m. CST

    meant "Fans are NOT asking for SPOILERS..."

    by NoHubris

  • Nuff said.

  • May 29, 2012, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Glad it's not Khan.

    by CodeName

    He would own first year Kirk and crew. Let the captain gain some more experience points before going up against the feared super soldier.

  • May 29, 2012, 6:06 p.m. CST

    bantuwind - amen, brother

    by Ninja Nerd

    I almost want to invoke Heinlein here and declare myself the oldest. Not because I want to chair the 'family meeting' but because it goes to the point that I'm an OLD geek and therefore have seen the olden days of pony express for movie news up to today's instant gratification. For me, I like the surprise and delight of NOT knowing the details of a movie or book. I have friends that flip to the last page of a book before buying. Me, I choose on the basis of the first page...the rest awaits to entertain me. And at the end of the day, that's really the deal; HOW do you want to entertained? (1) knowing all before your butt hits the seat, which of course gives you freedom to comment throughout the movie or (2) being totally surprised and delighted with Bill's Superman speech? Me, I like peeling the onion in real time. Some of you obviously prefer opening your Xmas presents on the 4th of July. To each his or her own.

  • May 29, 2012, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Characters and plot aren't spoilers.

    by matineer

    Any number of projects based on books and comics are almost fully known before the film opens. This kind of secrecy is the style of this production team. They were coy with LOST also.

  • May 29, 2012, 6:14 p.m. CST

    BC is ....Gary Mitchell?

    by da-giez

    Could see this work out, only Spock ends up in the big fight with him this time.

  • May 29, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Oh no... its going to be the Borg.

    by Nautilus_nrm1

    Although I like the idea of Q. I'm trying to remember, did non-canon ever address whether Mudd is a member of the Q Continium?

  • May 29, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Please, no Q

    by Mugato5150

    and we've already had a Borg movie, not to mention that they've been completely watered down and neutered between the later episodes of TNG and Voyager.

  • May 29, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST

    This situation seems like a twist ending to an exciting story

    by Jackson

  • May 29, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Re: astronut

    by ArmageddonProductions

    No. You're right. Spock giving him a nerve pinch probably means he's one of the good guys. That was awfully presumptuous of me to think otherwise. Anything else you want to pick apart in your daily, neverending bid for attention on an AICN Talkback? Did I get the IMDb listing wrong? Is Cumberbatch actually listed as a character named "Ken"?

  • Herbert! Herbert! Herbert!

  • May 29, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Mission Impossible and Star Trek... Pegg is one lucky basdard!

    by antonphd

  • May 29, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST

    P.S. - Everybody Else, Cumberbatch Is Playing "Khan"

    by ArmageddonProductions

    Whether this means "Khan" is the movie's villain or not (pretty sure that official announcement a while ago said Cumberbatch was both "Khan" and the movie's bad guy, but argue away!) might be up for debate, but he's playing "Khan". So, you know, hoping that they get Nestor Carbonell for "Khan" might be moot, at this point. Anyway, for everybody but astronut, who can apparently only sustain an erection while posting something really fucking stupid in an AICN Talkback, it's been confirmed here IMDb) and here (, also featuring the photograph that astronut claims "does not mean Cumberbatch is the villain" -- you'll recognize it because, underneath the photo, it explains that it's a "Spy photo of Zachary Quinto as Spock fighting Cumberbatch’s villain – now known to be playing Khan").

  • May 29, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Re: redwhitenegro

    by ArmageddonProductions

    You should watch yourself, I mean, physically, watch yourself.</p><p> (very depressing that this would be the last George Romero movie worth quoting)

  • May 29, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Maybe, just maybe, it's something new.

    by Morte_Bea_Arthur

    Maybe they came up with their own original plot and villain. That could be a good thing. It still might suck, but we'll just have to wait and see.

  • May 29, 2012, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Khan, no khan it's still JarJar, Ocri and Kurtzman

    by Dr_PepperSpray

  • May 29, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST

    armageddon douche, a.k.a. "Mister Know-It-All"

    by Astronut

    You don't read so well. I didn't question the imdb comment about him playing Khan... I called you on your "Quinto nerve pinch" comment, since you also cited that as "one of the dead give-aways" that Cumberbatch is playing Khan. Go read your original comment after you get done douching.

  • May 29, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    My ex-girlfriend would shave her Cumberbatch...

    by KongMonkey

    It still smelt funny. Abrams is a fad, fading away like Myspace. I could care less if its Khan or not, so long as Avatar-chick shows some starfleet leg in those short starfleet skirts.

  • Since it's not an alien character, and since he referred to as it being a "thing", could it be a computer or android kind of character, I wonder?

  • May 29, 2012, 7:10 p.m. CST


    by Captain Mal

    You are aware that incorrect information is posted to IMDB, right? Rather frequently, in fact. And you're aware that isn't an official source, and therefore can't "confirm" anything? Or that they've also reported Pegg's comments? Just wanted to make sure, because you're sort of making yourself look like an idiot.

  • May 29, 2012, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Start Trek II

    by vaterite

    The Negron Complex

  • May 29, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Why would anyone redo Khan?

    by Jason Ferguson

    It's the only Trek movie that can be called iconic outside of the fanbase. There's a zillion other things to be explored and I'm sure Abrums has found something cool. Some dated FX and lackluster HD transfers aside Trek2 is a classic that should not be messed with. The performances cannot be reproduced and should not be re-imagined.

  • So he's Khan but he's not. I'm officially confused now. I trust Trekmovie sources. I also trust that Pegg would not flat-out lie.

  • May 29, 2012, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Cumberbatch plays a hyper-evolved otter.

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    More interested in his turn as Smaug. Do you think he did a mo-cap performance as the dragon's movements, as well? Would love to get a sneak peek at the BTS footage of that.

  • May 29, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Or a very different Landrew

    by mdk

  • May 29, 2012, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Bantu, headbooter, others

    by adeceasedfan

    Totally agree. Headbooter it's funny you mention books because sometimes I'll have to cover whole pages and read a line at a time. I think I've got a spoiler threshold and usually know when it's too much, but it's much harder these days.

  • May 29, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST

    The only proper Khan

    by sundancekeed

    would be Antonio Banderas. Search your heart. You know it to be true.

  • The only way that a young Captain Kirk can save earth is by going into the past and future in order to convince other Enterprise captains that the Federation's very future is at stake. Yup. Picard, Shatner Kirk, Sisko, Archer, they're all in this movie. Instant box office gold.

  • May 29, 2012, 8:35 p.m. CST

    It's Gary Mitchell.

    by TheyPeedOnYourFuckingRug

  • May 29, 2012, 8:36 p.m. CST

    IMDB still has Cumberbatch as Khan

    by Mahooch

    And what IMDB says is gospel.

  • May 29, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST

    I hope its true, but I think its misinformation

    by Jaka

    Regardless, I don't "do" new Star Trek, so it's really not a big deal for me beyond my complete and total disbelief that they would mess with Khan in ANY way.

  • May 29, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Logic suggests that he well be a genetic superman

    by Jake Pantlin

    Peter Weller is in the film, and there is a good chance that he will be playing his character from Enterprise (Paxton). Paxton believed in human perfection, and it would not be surprising if he was involved in creating a new race of "supermen", like Khan, to keep Vulcans and other alien species away from Earth. I could see Cumberbatch being a new breed of superman for this film, who is similar to Khan in his ambitions, but not actually Khan.

  • I still have no desire to see it, of course, and why would I? So I can laugh at all of the terrible plot holes and sub-par acting with no chemistry between the characters? No thanks.

  • May 29, 2012, 8:50 p.m. CST

    "You have a mustache..........."

    by BetaRayBill07

    "I KNOW."

  • May 29, 2012, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Of course it's not Khan

    by Crooooooow

    It's a totally new character Abram's just created named Kham Nunen Sang.

  • May 29, 2012, 9:03 p.m. CST

    In all seriousness, why did anyone like the first movie?

    by IronEagle74

    Aside from lens flares and more space action, there were too many plot holes, obvious and bad plot devices, multiple predictable moments, and bad caricatures of great characters that were originally played by much better actors who had on-screen chemistry. Oh, and the musical score had to be the most forgettable and worst of any of the Star Trek movies. Sure, it LOOKED sleek and it was modern, but that's all it had going for it. The critics played it all up, but anyone with half a brain knows that modern day critics have reasons for not always giving honest reviews.

  • May 29, 2012, 9:19 p.m. CST


    by TheNotoriousDRB

    Prove me wrong, pussies.

  • May 29, 2012, 9:20 p.m. CST

    He'll be Charlie X.

    by A_Banned_Apart

    As good a guess as any.

  • May 29, 2012, 9:38 p.m. CST

    It's Young Khan from Starseed

    by Green

    You heard it here.

  • May 29, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST

    What's the diff? It's from the A-bums team, it's crap.

    by kabong

  • May 29, 2012, 10:06 p.m. CST

    I still say Captain Garth of Izar

    by GeneralKael

    Think about the possibilities: Khan was a huge threat because he was highly intelligent, had a loyal crew, and a fully armed starship. However his weakness is that he simply didn't have experience with a starship and wasn't trained. In Trek II Khan arguably has the advantage(even has a sneak attack) but he loses because he doesn't totally understand how his ship works(and also his crew are not as well trained either) and Kirk and Spock are more experienced with a trained Starfleet Crew. Now, think about this: Captain Garth Highly trained Starfleet Captain, experienced and awarded to the point that he is a personal hero to Kirk(hence the neck pinch and not a phaser, but that's complete speculation). Garth may have a fully trained Starfleet crew, and he would certainly know how to push his ship to the limit. Have a storyline where Garth convinces his crew they are on a secret mission, so his crew loyally follows orders because hey, he's their Captain and they don't know he's obsessed/insane/whatever. And you get a knock out drag out fight between two Starships and crews. Anyway that's what I would do for a villain.

  • May 29, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Re: astronut/captain mal

    by ArmageddonProductions

    Wow, sorry I could only provide two links, one of which cited official sources AND A FUCKING SET PHOTOGRAPH OF CUMBERBATCH BEING ATTACKED BY ONE OF THE PROTAGONISTS OF THE MOVIE to assert my claim that a) Cumberbatch is playing "Khan" and b) is most likely the villain of the second Star trek movie, which I realize is virtually meaningless next to your asshole-oriented and completely-unbacked-in-any-way assertions of me being wrong despite the facts I provided because Simon Pegg, a third-billed actor in the film who, if his participation in the first one (or the presence of his character in any other "Star Trek" film) was any indicator, will most likely show up in five scenes in the movie, none of which will be with ninety percent of the rest of the cast, says that Khan is neither in the new film or will be the bad guy. Please forgive me.

  • May 29, 2012, 10:44 p.m. CST

    The real villain will be...

    by Horned One

    Omne He was the bad guy in two older Star Trek novels. See here...

  • May 29, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Actually Omne might work

    by GeneralKael

    Those books were pretty good and Omne was a good villain. However, he's also a villain nobody's ever heard of, including many Trek fans so I'm not sure they will go that route.

  • May 29, 2012, 11:10 p.m. CST

    I think in this sequel.........

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    ......the lens flair needs to become an official part of the crew, it needs to get an official Star fleet rank (Lt. Lens Flair) and it needs to fuck Uhura and become entangled in a love triangle with Spock.

  • May 29, 2012, 11:11 p.m. CST


    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    I don't see how Abrams can make this one not suck.

  • May 29, 2012, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Re: "STAR TREK Sucked!"

    by ArmageddonProductions

    You know, I've been arguing with astronut for a few posts now about fucking Cumberbatch being "Khan", and aside from the fact that astronut is a three-hundred pound tool whose wee-wee gets all fuzzy when he attempts to either play WWE Smackdown with his nine-year-old brother or start pointless arguments on AICN Talkbacks, I really have no idea why I'm continuing said argument (I mean, aside from the simple fact that it's common knowledge available anywhere you care to look). Whether or not Cumberbatch is playing Khan (he is), it will be a $200 million pimple on the ass of THE WRATH OF KHAN, anyway.

  • May 29, 2012, 11:35 p.m. CST


    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    That guy is as white bread as they come. How in the hell could anyone think he'd be playing Khan?

  • May 30, 2012, 12:03 a.m. CST

    What if.....

    by GuyFawkes

    They do a mid credits scene of the enterprise finding Khans ship setting up Space Seed for the third movie?

  • May 30, 2012, 12:13 a.m. CST


    by hulkiest

    Yes, the same IMDB that for months and months stated that Matt Damon would be playing James T. Kirk in 2009's Star Trek. IMDB, for those of you wearing propeller beanies and saddle shoes, gets input from darn near anybody. It's up to the studio and/or production company to verify or deny. If they say, "Uh...yeah, sure, he's playing Khan." wink wink." It doesn't mean its true at all. Then! Here's a shocker: Most reporters are dimwits. They latch onto anything that will sell papers or get web hits and that includes---gasp!---reporting gossip or half truths. Or, in many cases, total wrong information. I'm continually stunned at how bad reporters are at their jobs.

  • May 30, 2012, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Idiots...obviously Khan will be in ST2

    by 9000rpm

    Khan's character will be introduced, the audience will pee themselves, and the story will then return to the scary villan.

  • May 30, 2012, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Disgruntled aliens? Aren't they all at some point?

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    I'm sure even E.T., when he finally got home had a meeting with his staff and did a powerpoint on how fucked up the human race is.

  • May 30, 2012, 2:10 a.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    I don't really have a dog in this fight and it's entirely possible that astronut is a stupid fuckwit or whatever for completely different reasons, but it seems to me like you continue to misunderstand his original comment. The argument isn't whether Benedict Cumberbatch is playing a villain, it's whether he's playing Khan. A picture of Spock fighting with the guy only proves one of those things. Simon Pegg said in this very article that Cumberbatch is playing a villain who is NOT KHAN, and despite the fact that he's a third-billed actor I suspect he received the same script as everybody else.

  • May 30, 2012, 2:55 a.m. CST

    Pegg has a point

    by mattythelionheart

    Quit bitching and wait for the movie. Abrams knows what he's doing.

  • May 30, 2012, 4:10 a.m. CST

    How to do Khan. Include old Spock!!

    by Daniel Excell

    OK so we're all agreed that you can't really do Khan justice at this stage of the Trek timeline. You need Khan to be vengeful, to be hunting Kirk etc etc. A simple answer would be to include Old Spock in this movie and have him (for whatever reason be it a trick or some other purpose) mind meld with the younger Khan thus revealing all the terrible things that he will go through due to Captain Kirk. You then get a valid reason to have Nimoy in the movie and you get vengeful, awesome Khan, voila!

  • May 30, 2012, 5:29 a.m. CST

    My money is still on Lazarus

    by tangcameo

    I don't know why. Maybe because of the diverging timelines from original series and Abrams movie, and JJA's interest in alternate universes. But it's not a fervent belief, just my guess.

  • May 30, 2012, 5:36 a.m. CST

    "Seeing as how I trust Pegg impicitly"

    by FloristGump

    Yeah, right, whatever *snort*

  • May 30, 2012, 8:09 a.m. CST

    It's Sybok

    by proevad

    Been saying it for a year. No one will listen. Makes me sad panda :-(

  • May 30, 2012, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Why do you people keep regurgitating old character names?

    by Mugato5150

    most of which no one but Trekkies have heard of?

  • May 30, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST


    by Arcadian Del Sol

    A very english actor famous for outlandish and over-the-top performances in the role of an alien that has now just been described as "not just another disgruntled alien. It’s a really interesting… sort of… thing," Remember that Trelane's true form is that of a giant space cloud/jelly. I WAS RIGHT. YOU SAW! YOU SAW!

  • May 30, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST

    and yes, non-canon has established Trelane as Q.

    by Arcadian Del Sol

  • May 30, 2012, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Young, British Dennis Quaid

    by LiquidHotMagma

    is Khan. Pegg is joshing us

  • May 30, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST

    JJ Abrams is a fad in 2012...

    by Mr. Anderson

    ...just like Steven Spielberg was a fad in 1984.

  • May 30, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST


    by Mennen

    Though, I do like JJ's take.

  • May 30, 2012, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Simon Pegg, the new Steve Coogan

    by donkey_lasher

    He should still to clever thinking mans comedy with Edgar Wright, and not shitty movies that are rehashing dead franchises.

  • May 30, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    BEAKS - Don't apologize for shitty headlines, just don't do them.

    by The Dude Abides

    It's that simple. Be the better fucking man.

  • May 30, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST


    by Inglorious Bastard

    I understand your sentiment, but calling Star Trek a dead franchise is not really factually accurate considering the last movie was the most popular Star Trek movie of all time (even adjusted for inflation). Now saying that you think it is creatively dead, or something to that effect would be correct. I wouldn't agree, but it could be a true statement.

  • May 30, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    you don't seem to understand

    by Inglorious Bastard

    Maybe you were too focused on your anti-semitic blabbering to understand what I was saying, but here it goes. You may think that the Star Trek franchise is dead creatively, I'm not disputing that really. However, as it stands right now, Star Trek as a franchise, in the truest sense of the word is alive and well. Just like Transformers as a franchise is alive and well, Or James Bond, or Marvel's Avengers. As evidenced by these series' having new works in production and butts in the seats. The health of a franchise really has nothing to do with its creative depth, but rather simply studio and audience interest. Jaws or The Matrix - now those are dead franchises

  • May 30, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST

    "SPACE SEED" will be the XXX version of Star Trek 2 ...

    by Vince Ricardo

    ... I mean, really, I get what it meant, but what the hell was Rodenberry smokin' when he came up with that title for an episode? ... or, I guess, who was smokin' HIM? Ugh.

  • May 30, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Maybe...he will be playing SON OF KHAN!

    by jellypop

    You know...he had a sprog somewhere along the line...or adopted a orphan child and raised him to be his heir and do BAD THINGS! Yeah maybe......

  • May 30, 2012, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Cumberbatch is Harry Mudd

    by riskebiz

    You heard it here first. Actually, I remember reading rumors very early on in the process where Mudd was being floated as the villain...but then that disappeared in the wake of Khan, especially when Del Toro was attached. Now? I don't believe it's Khan because Cumberbatch is the least likely actor possible physically to be Khan outside of Steve Buscemi. So...I don't necessarily believe he'll be Gary Mitchell, either (even though Mitchell was the first episode villain and it would make sense) because i don't buy Del Toro as Gary Mitchell. BUT...I could buy Del Toro as Harry Mudd...and a fussy Cumberbatch could be a more deadly Harry Mudd, too.

  • May 30, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST

    You know I've thought about that

    by Tony

    Look how pissed off Khan got in 15 years, imagine how pissed of Mudd would be! Even though technically it wouldn't be 15 years, but in the alternate trek verse he could get really bad ass. Maybe he loved Vulcan and blames Kirk and young spock for not saving it LOL!

  • May 30, 2012, 4:59 p.m. CST

    If it isn't Khan it's gotta be..

    by Patrick Pettay

    Gary Mitchell. The spy pics showed Cumberbatch fighting Spock. No normal human character would have any chance against Spock in a fight. We have heard that the vilian would be someone familiar to the Trek universe. So that would leave Khan (super strength to fight Spock, but now being denied), Trelaine (a Q-like character, but I dont see why an omnipotent being would resort to fighting) and Gary Mitchell. The Mitchell story is much more dramatic (Kirk's friend slowly turned evil with his new powers). You could even change the events that lead up to Mitchell's changing that could relate to a new storyline which would keep up with the idea of a altered time line (Chris Pike in the wheel chair). The Mitchell story might be only the last third of the movie like Two Face in "The Dark Night". At the end of the film Kirk and company have to deal with a main bad guy and Mitchell.

  • boborci has sounded off on how he digs spin off materiel. He's also worked on the extremely sweet "Countdown" IDW miniseries, the not-quite-as-good but still nifty "Nero" IDW miniseries & now the ongoing "Star Trek" miniseries that boborci is working with to redo & change around some classic TOS episodes. The first two issues were "Where No Man Has Gone Before" & Gary Mitchel met the same fate. Yeah, yeah, "IZ COMIC! NOT GOOD!" etc. etc. but boborci seems to be a part of buliding a spin-off universe, the comics & the game & his probably closer involved in spin-off than most anyone has done in Trek history before, so I don't think the movie is going to contradict the (very small) JJ-verse continuity so far.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Peggy isn't even a short pubic hair on James's Doohan's ball sack

    by Joe Plumber

    Of all the pretty great casting choices in NuTrek, this one while obvious was the worst. His Greedo sidekick made it even worse.

  • May 31, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST

    I'm ready for MacFarlane's Star Trek series

    by Joe Plumber

    Oddly enough I think he'll do it justice unlike Abrams and Co..