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DOCTOR WHO Was Delayed To Fall Just To Build Anticipation??

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It turns out the delay of “Doctor Who’s” premiere date from spring to autumn wasn’t due to a pregnancy or the production of a 50th anniversary movie.

It was maybe delayed just to gin up anticipation.

“Who” showrunner Stephen Moffat tells Digital Spy:

"I don't know, on this occasion, that the thinking particularly came from me, actually. I've always been open to anything that shakes [the series] up. I think that decision actually came from the BBC.
"But I've been well up for anything that we can do to shake up the transmission pattern, the way we deliver it to the audience and how long we make the audience wait, simply because that makes Doctor Who an event piece.
"The more Doctor Who becomes a perennial, the faster it starts to die. You've got to shake it up, you've got to keep people on edge and wondering when it will come back.
"Sherlock is the prime example, as far as that goes. Sherlock almost exists on starving its audience. By the time it came back this year, Sherlock was like a rock star re-entering the building!
"So keeping Doctor Who as an event, and never making people feel, 'Oh, it's lovely, reliable old Doctor Who — it'll be on about this time, at that time of year'. Once you start to do that, just slowly, it becomes like any much-loved ornament in your house — ultimately invisible. And I don't want that to ever be the case."

It's not a terrible strategy.  Imagine if Paramount employed the same idea with "Star Trek" when thtat sci-fi franchise was still on TV.

Find all of Digital Spy’s interview with Moffat here.

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  • May 22, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST

    stupid reason

    by FrodoFraggins

  • May 22, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Airing in the Fall reduces the specialness of the xmas special

    by FrodoFraggins

    I like the Spring/Summer airing of the show much better.

  • May 22, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST

    I think it is a good idea.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    Why shove Doctor Who out right after another? Some people might get burnt out on it, or slack off from watching every new episode that comes out. By spreading it out like this, builds up the anticipation of wanting to see the new episodes, and will have people glued into their seats for every new episode.

  • May 22, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    If filming is getting ready to start for the Christmas episode, how long of a gap in production will it be before filming the second half of the new season?

  • May 22, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Doctor delayed--

    by dahauk--

    --Now I have to wait longer to be rid of Rory & Pond. bugger.

  • May 22, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST

    I thought this was discussed before, Olympics...

    by Darth_Nader

    They didn't want to put any distractions on the BBC for the Olympic coverage, so they were moving it. At least that is what they were saying around the season finale. I agree it makes the Xmas special, less special.

  • May 22, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST


    by Shub-Wankalot

    Inane rationale for the delay, but whatever makes you sleep at night, or your dick hard...BBC taking another piss...

  • May 22, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Is it me

    by Timmid

    Or does Moffatt become just a little bit more of a cock every season ? Oh well, as long as he can pull in writers like Gaiman I'll still be there next season.

  • May 22, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Rule One

    by Sollasollewmn

    Moffat lies. This is all about not being overshadowed by the Olympics. Kind of like splitting the season last year was about not overlapping with Euorvision. Why they don't just come out and say that is beyond me. Probably because they don't want to admit that the otherwise ratings juggernaut could be brought down by other programming.

  • May 22, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    by glenn_the_frog

    The reason they gave before were -Olympics -it airs when its dark outside in the fall. -allow the actors to do other material during the break (like when it took a whole year off for Tennant to do a broadway stint) Which are legit reasons and why the show was split last year, to segue into a fall airing. This isn't really new information at all, its been the case for nearly two years now. Its just Moffatt talking off the cuff and throwing out a joke, it isn't an official reason.

  • May 22, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Why does Herc even try with Doctor Who news

    by glenn_the_frog

    when Merrick reports it *acurately* and Herc is always full of speculation and whimsy that has no bearing on reality? Like the repeated times he thought they were secretly putting a theatrical film together for the 50th?

  • May 22, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST


    by Hercules

    Before last year's split season the "Who" season finales never aired later than July 8. Olympics launch July 27. Is this really a conflict?

  • May 22, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Olympics - no. Euro 2012 - yes.

    by supertoyslast

    Doctor Who could have overlapped with the Euro 2012 soccer tournament. So that's one reason to have it later this year.

  • May 22, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST


    by Johnboy40

    Beat me to it, but its called football. never use the *S* word.

  • Channel budgets and advertising don't exist in a vacuum. Also, the show had 27 seasons before the current series (that has taken 8 years to run 6 seasons) that often ran in the fall. And all the stateside PBS showings were usually late at night. it's a better show at night.

  • May 22, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    This is definitely a case of the aforementioned Rule One

    by supertoyslast

    He says that it was the BBC's decision. He's just trying to spin a delayed split season as a good thing. I don't know about anyone else, but I anticipate things more when I know when they're going to be and I can look forward to them. A haphazard broadcasting schedule doesn't increase make me view something as more of an 'event'. I wish that the first half of the coming season would be broadcast when the evenings will be dark, but it's looking increasingly likely that the show will return in September (or maybe even the August bank holiday). If this is the case, most of the autumn episodes will be broadcast before the clocks go back. There will then be a gap of about two months until the Christmas special.

  • May 22, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST


    by supertoyslast

    Dammit. I even meant to type football. I'll just pretend that that I was dumbing down for our American cousins.

  • May 22, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    oh and congrats to Stephen Moffat

    by emeraldboy

    on Winning the dennis potter bafta award for oustanding contribution to writing. he will collect the on the 27th of May. other honouries that evening will in Rolf Harris who receives the tv fellowship award for his outstanding contribution to tv. He has been on TV for 50 years. some would say his contribution has been less than outstanding...

  • May 22, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST

    I think the main reasons for the delay were time and money

    by supertoyslast

    With the BBC cutting back, I don't think they could afford 14 episodes this year and 14 episodes next year (plus an anniversary special). Moffat has also been working flat out for the past couple of years on both Sherlock and Doctor Who. So a break was necessary purely not to burn out. So we end up with fewer episodes this year but more episodes than usual (in total) next year. I'd still prefer a single uninterrupted run of 13 episodes when the nights are dark, though (even if it meant waiting longer).

  • May 22, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    When I read the headline, I was angry. But...

    by gotilk

    then I was furious. After that, I realized WHY I was furious and wanted to shake Mr Moff's hand. Pretty brilliant. I'd like to keep Who around for as long as possible. And if this is what it takes, if these are the games we must play, then bring it on. Still, a few surprised here and there wouldn't hurt either. How about, now that the cat is out of the bag, we get a nice, crisp, fresh new episode early? Nice pipe dream, eh?

  • May 22, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Surprises, not surprised.

    by gotilk

    No excuses here, I dumped the wireless keyboard a while back.

  • May 22, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    This statement makes as much sense

    by tomdolan04

    as the payoffs for the finales of season five and six. <p>

  • May 22, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST

    The stories had better be worth it....

    by kdoc13

    I'm all for anticipation, but look at Torchwood. There was a long gap, the fans were incredibly anxious for it, and then it sucked. There's a flip side to this that Moffat doesn't get, if you make us wait for it longer than is necessary, those new episodes had better ALL be extraordinary, otherwise that time was wasted and I as a viewer feel ripped off. Which by the way, I'm already more than a little ticked at Moffat for making The Doctor the secondary characte behind Amy Pond. And yes, he is a secondary character now. That whole "When I was a child I had an imaginary friend" bullshit at the beginning of every episode only proves to me more and more that Moffat doesn't fully get it when it comes to Who!

  • May 22, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST

    "...keeping Doctor Who as an event..."

    by buggerbugger

    Sigh. Did this man ever watch Doctor Who in the first 26 years of its life? At all? It used to be on for around 48-50 weeks of the fucking year when Hartnell was in charge of the TARDIS. "Event" Doctor Who is almost always shite Doctor Who, in my opinion. Christmas specials, Tennant specials, season finales... 95% hyped up bollocks. And Moffat has shown himself to be a grand master of the empty bollocks strategy.

  • May 22, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Paramount Executives Secret Conference call

    by tomdolan04

    Exec 1: 'You know where we blew it towards the end'? <p> Exec 2: 'The patronising characters, the liberal agenda and the increasing focus on political discussion?' <p> Exec 1: 'Dammit no we should have just produced twelve a year, moved it around the schedule and made the audience guess when it was on if at all'. <p> Exec 2: 'THAT is genius. We could kick off in episode one with a Captain saying he had to die or the universe would blow up. And chuck in sideplots about his companion getting pregnant. And kidnapped. And dopplegangerd. And the baby stolen only her not really give a shit apart from a few longful glances. Then throw in pyramids. And people spouting prophecies - sci-fi geeks LOVE prophecies as plot devices. Then have him not die in the finale but a robot die in his place and that be enough for the universe not to blow up. Then have him go underground. Very cool. But obviously we cant have that so next season he'll go around as normal. It won't top last seasons finale where cracks appeared due to a Tardis blowing up but not actually having the Tardis blow up and the involvement of the word Silence a lot. It didn't actually matter - the Silence. You could have used any word. Like Gingerbread. GINGERBREAD WILL FALL CAPTAIN. Say it in a sinister voice.' <p> Exec 1: 'Errm. Are you high right now'. <p> Faux mocking aside, I like Who regardless. I just am bemused with the praise Moffat gets for his writing. Some episodes are great he write - others less so, but moreover as a showrunner I do question the love he gets compared to the hate RTD gets in some quarters. <p>

  • May 22, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST

    great he writeS

    by tomdolan04

    Irony right there. I'm typing on a phone, sue me.

  • Some greedy exec was pulling the strings.

  • May 22, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Well lets hope it actually is an "event" this time ...


    Last series was truly awful ...

  • May 22, 2012, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Well, that strategy sure didn't work for the "V" reboot

    by Ironhorse

    Then again, the reboot sucked.

  • May 22, 2012, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Is the BBC fracking stupid?

    by ShoreGrey

    They dicked Who around in the 80s and drove it into the ground, now they are doing the exact same thing again.

  • May 22, 2012, 9:55 p.m. CST

    moffat is a douche

    by thedarklingthrush

  • May 23, 2012, 12:09 a.m. CST

    I agree with Moffat if hes implying less is more

    by tomdolan04

    but again if youre doing Star Trek comparisons, TNG was my favourite genre TV during the 90's. That was event TV - year in year out, 24 / 26 eps per season with about half being filler. Last year with Who - it was event TV, 12 episodes...with about half being filler. And now a later / staggered season. <p> I liked Sherlock a fair bit but I dont view it as a series. Moreover a few TV movies. Moff tries to justify this by screaming Quality over Quantity and he has a point but with Who I agree with an above poster in that it feels increasingly geared towards children with convolution and bombast being confused for complexity. I enjoy Matt Smith, yet feel Moff is producing in a style that is ducking, weaving and dancing around being an entertaining show - rather than just being a show. And yes RTD threw in stuff like farting aliens but even that series didnt feel as child-geared as these two. <p>

  • May 23, 2012, 1:17 a.m. CST

    What a bunch of bullshit

    by Cash907

    if you're that unsure of your series that you have to resort to horseshit PR tactics like this, maybe you should push away from the table and go home, Steve.

  • May 23, 2012, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Does anyone believe a word this plagiarising bullshitter says?

    by Octavian

  • May 23, 2012, 4:07 a.m. CST

    The best way to build antici...

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    pation (thank you, Dr. Frank-N-Furter), would be to move on to the Twelfth Doctor.

  • May 23, 2012, 4:48 a.m. CST

    All it really says, is that Private Eye was

    by V'Shael

    probably right (if for the wrong reasons) when they said originally that this would happen, and why. Moffat nailed his colours the mast, and said this wouldn't happen... and he was proved wrong. So either he knew and he lied about Hislop's rag... or he didn't know. Which to be honest, says more worrisome things about the BBC than it does about his skills as show-runner.

  • May 23, 2012, 8:23 a.m. CST

    @ v'shael - Truly spoken words!

    by wtriker1701

    I'm just as confused about Moffat's earlier outings... still.

  • May 23, 2012, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Bring it back, now!

    by shutupfanboy

    There is absolutely nothing going on for the summer, it would rule the airwaves. In the fall its just another show that is back. It will eat up my DVR space. I also think the strategy may backfire since the second half of the season was a bit of a mess and didn't have any standout episodes. Lets Kill Hitler trying to do 3 years of River Song stories in one hour was a mess. The finale was just ok. The Christmas episode was weak. It needs a stronger showing this season and being alone during the summer is one way to do it.

  • May 23, 2012, 9:46 a.m. CST


    by Richard Hallock

    Doctor Who has been a fair sucess here in the states as it had little or no competition as a spring and summer series. It will not fare as well against other fall big network programing, which is sad. I was hoping it would continue to gain momentum here. Programing it right as the kids get out from school for the summer break has been very sucessful. I am sure the executives at BBC America are upset about this decision. As far as treating the fans of your shows by starving them? Your job is to create content, not ration it out like food stamps to those 'starving fans' and Doctor Who by our standards is only a half season at best. Why not make a full season of 24-26 and show one ever other week of the year? That would leave every other week open to run specials, or run one offs or something. That would 'shake things up' a bit.

  • May 23, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST

    plus in october in the UK

    by tomdolan04

    The family vote is going to be heavily split by the Xfactor

  • May 23, 2012, 10:26 a.m. CST


    by Mister Vertue

    Recording will run right through to the Autumn with little or no breaks.

  • May 23, 2012, 10:30 a.m. CST

    hercules - summer scheduling

    by Mister Vertue

    In the UK, we have both the Olympics and the European 2012 football competition taking place, which takes up quite a bit of the scheduling for the BBC. I'm sure these events played their part in switching Doctor Who to a later tx date.

  • May 23, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST


    by Mister Vertue

    There is absolutely nothing going on for the summer? See above reply to Hercules.

  • May 23, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST

    thedarklingthrush - Moffat is a douche

    by Mister Vertue

    Care to explain why he's a douche? It's always best to explain *why* you think something. Such a statement makes you look rather foolish.

  • May 23, 2012, 10:36 a.m. CST

    A writer's rationalization

    by Dreamfasting

    I don't tend to dwell on the things Moffat says - I find he's always in creative writer mode, scooping up all all the information around him and spinning it into a story. I read that quote and I see a sharp wit telling fans an explanation he thinks they will find entertaining, not actually answering the question. However, it is true that Doctor Who is a show that lives on anticipation - the fact that enough of us will click on any article mentioning the show is proof enough. Shows with short-run seasons like Doctor Who or Game of Thrones live in what used to be the miniseries niche, especially when you watch them off DvD over a course of a few nights. Torchwood went even further, fully embracing that miniseries format, although I don't think it proved to be a raging success.

  • May 23, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Ever been in this situation?

    by Mister Vertue

    You have a boss who tells you that Plan A is happening and you go along with it, taking him at his word. People ask you about Plan A and you confirm it to be true based on your boss's original statement. Then your boss switches to Plan B (because he's allowed to - he's the boss) and now you have to backtrack on what you said earlier because your hands are tied and there's nothing you can do about it (although you actually prefer Plan B because it gives you more time to finish your work and the scheduling is more fitting for your product). I'm quite sure this is similar to the situation that Steven Moffat found himself in. He might be the showrunner, but he can't decide when the show is transmitted. Others make that decision.

  • May 23, 2012, 10:41 a.m. CST

    octavian - plagiarising bullshitter

    by Mister Vertue

    Are you referring to Steven Moffat? I'd love to hear the reasoning behind that one.

  • May 23, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST


    by Mister Vertue

    Did this man ever watch Doctor Who in the first 26 years of its life? At all? I'd be very surprised if Steven Moffat missed many episodes of the show in those 26 years. He was only 2 years old when it started, but he's already stated that it's one of his earliest memories as a child.

  • May 23, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST


    by obijuanmartinez

  • May 23, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST

    ...and a HISS for good measure!

    by obijuanmartinez

  • May 23, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    WTF? You newbies don't remember the REAL Doctor Who drought

    by sunspot_mike

    Man, a Doctor Who backlash. I guess with the show finally being cool now, it was bound to happen. A little piece of me just died though, realizing that the cult that brought us all together is so bitchy. You motherfuckers are being way too hard on Doctor Who without even knowing how the BBC works or makes decisions. We're all playing fantasy football with ratings, viewing numbers, budgets, competition, etc... it would be awesome if we had new Doctor Who every week forever, I'm the first guy to say that. But I do trust the Moff in really trying to make sure that the show survives in the best way possible. And I'm not just a defender, I wasn't in love with this year's Christmas Special and I think that it would have been better dramatically to skip the James Corden episode and make the Wedding of River Song a two-parter (overstuffed with awesome ideas that went by too fast.) We're into the 7th season of Doctor Who now, which would be a gigantic fucking success in America or the UK by any other standard, but since it's the Doc, we expect it to go on forever. And everyone hopes it will, but in order to do that, you've got to play with the format, try different things, and move it around the schedule. It's a sci-fi show that's still popular and better than ever after SEVEN FUCKING YEARS. Remember the 7th season of The X-Files? I think they're doing something absolutely right. As long the new season is still on its way, I'm happy.

  • May 23, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST

    @men_ of_vertue

    by Octavian

    I only call Moffat a plagiarising bullshitter because he is a thief and a liar. No other reason. What exactly has this guy achieved that has not been done before and better, apart from Press Gang? Whether it is Holmes, Who or Tintin he takes something pristine and already fully formed and rifles through it in an attempt to make it his own. It is true he has wrtten three or four decent Who episodes over the last seven years, but that is somewhat tempered by the gruelling bollocks of the last two series, neither of which would have been recommissioned without the Doctor Who name on the titles. Moffat is the luckiest man in television today. He is a complete fraud and inexplicably lauded for it.

  • That intro doesn't exist in the British broadcast of the series (or, for that matter, on the DVDs which are taken from the British version of the broadcast). It was an intro that BBCAmerica specifically wanted at the beginning and asked him to write, so he wrote it. If he *really* wanted that in there, it would have infested the UK broadcast of the show also. At least you can look forward to that intro changing starting with the Christmas special this year, since the Ponds will be gone. If BBCAmerica still insists on some kind of new intro after that, I'd personally like to see Suranne Jones give an intro from the TARDIS point of view.

  • I would say that based on that statement, it's not Moffat who's the liar. Ratings were good enough on the series to merit recommisioning whether or not it said Doctor Who. Also opinions vary on the last 2 seasons. What you find gruelling bollocks some of us find a definite upgrade in the series, bringing the quality of the stories to something we haven't really had overall since pre-JNT Tom Baker. Also, as to having done nothing that hasn't been done before and better - I haven't seen something better than Coupling for that type of show (I found it far better than Friends) And, given the number of awards he's received, including Writer's awards, I would say you're in the small minority about the quality of his writing. If you're finding it inexplicable as to why he's being lauded, then odds are it's not him, it's you.

  • May 23, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST

    I do have to ask though, Octavian

    by DoctorTom

    are you actually Lawrence Miles? It would explain a few things.

  • May 23, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    A very fair observation, but they've already invested a lot of time, energy, and money trying to break into the American market, with great success (they sell Doctor who merch at the mall now! Woot!) Now is not the time to be playing these tricks if they want to keep that. Also, even as a fan who will never miss an episode, and someone who has greatly appreciated Moffat's contribution to the show, this doesn't "build anticipation" for me. This "builds a sense of being jerked around". I would imagine it's even worse for those whose seated butts aren't quite as much of a guarantee as mine (and presumably yours) is. They'll either get tired of having to spend so much time and energy trying to figure out when the show is coming back, or they'll assume it got cancelled.

  • May 23, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Oh, god, Coupling was a million times better than Friends. The two just don't compare.

  • May 23, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Octavian, a word of advice.

    by SminkyPinky

    Close your mouth, lay your hands by your sides and step away from the keyboard. Anything else will only cause you further embarrassment.

  • May 23, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    frozen01 - I agree to a point with your reply to Sunspot Mike

    by DoctorTom

    Obviously the BBC execs are deciding when to broadcast the shows, but so far I can understand the reasoning (even though I suspect the true reasoning was a money thing). Moffat's comments about showing it when it's dark do make sense - even if we get the first 5 episodes when it's light, I imagine the rest of the season after the Christmas special will start well before Easter weekend, so will be at that point where it's dark. I can see where it might keep Moffat from getting burned out from the Doctor Who and Sherlock he's done and will do. But, I think any major changes after this will be a sign of the BBC executives just jerking us around. Right now it might still be the execs jerking us around, but there are some plusses to the moves. If it's helping preventing faster burnout of the actors and production crew, it's probably better for the series in the long run. I do see the point about people who aren't as dedicated losing interest. Sherlock might be a counterargument to this, though - a 1 1/2 year difference in broadcast time could have caused the same problem there, but it doesn't seem to have done them any harm. The trick on these things is whether they take advantage of the extra time from these moves. Back with the Trial of a Time Lord, it didn't seem like they were able to take advantage of it, and we got a bit of a mess. Here we've gotten a good season of Sherlock as well as a season of Who so far that many people liked even though some people don't. But, then again, you're going to find some people who just want to complain. There were people who complained when they lost Pertwee and this strange creature Tom Baker took over, they jettisoned UNIT and changed it all up.

  • May 23, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST

    With respect, lets cram stuff into October cos its dark

    by tomdolan04

    has been the mantra of the video games industry for years and its bloody annoying and patronising. <p> Result - all major programmes / games get crammed together, theres a summer drought (oh football and olympics - great...) there are three or four big 'winners' and the rest of the schedule gets pushed to one side with a risk of being forgotten.

  • May 23, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Just to be clear, I'm talking about perceptions and how the viewer feels. I don't actually think we're being jerked around (or rather, that this is their intention), but it's just as frustrating as if it were. Sherlock is a different animal. I think people treat Sherlock more like a movie franchise. It's understood and accepted that there will be a long period between series, just like after walking out of seeing the Avengers, for example, you know that you won't be back in the theater next week. (Also, to my knowledge, there hasn't been quite the push to market Sherlock to Americans as there has been for Doctor Who.) I honestly wouldn't mind if they took the same approach to Doctor Who as they have Sherlock. The concept of "quality over quantity" doesn't bother me at all, and I have loved every moment of Sherlock. The key is to be upfront and honest about it. Don't present a program as a standard TV show, then yank the rug out and play "will we, won't we?" games, especially with an American audience which isn't used to such "mix it up" tactics (like showing specials instead of a full series for budgetary purposes - such a thing doesn't happen here. A show is either popular enough to justify a full season, or it isn't and is then canned). Like I said, my butt will be in that seat either way. I'm just worried about them tossing out all the progress they've made over here.

  • May 23, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    Exactly. The 50's/60's tactics need to end. People don't skip their favorite shows (or avoid playing video games) because the sun is out. Plus, there's this little thing called a DVR... "theres a summer drought (oh football and olympics - great...)" Hahahaha YES!!!! (and yes, Simon, I know you're gonna tease me about that when I get home from work :P)

  • May 23, 2012, 2:27 p.m. CST

    And, of course, the other reason for the delay...

    by ByTor

    The production office moved from Upper Boat to the new BBC complex. That would've happened during filming if the season had to be ready by March, but this way they had some time to move before rolling cameras. Or at least that's what I read. No idea if this lines up with actual, reality-based dates. :)

  • May 23, 2012, 5:01 p.m. CST

    spam spam spam spam spam baked beans and spam

    by DoctorTom

    That's all that needs to be said about the previous post. Meanwhile, back on the Doctor Who front... just one more day before the miniepisode!

  • May 23, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Keep in mind

    by Mister Vertue

    Steven Moffat is only the showrunner, he is not responsible for when the show goes out. If you don't like the content of the show itself, then blame Moffat (and don't watch it anymore), but don't blame him for the switch in tx date.

  • May 23, 2012, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Moffat should be blamed for everything

    by Ithrat Cordwallis

    He's a hack, a charlatan, a fraud, is Scottish, wears silly hats and is *not* Jean Luc Picard. So ask yourself - do you really trust this man?

  • May 23, 2012, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Harsh words

    by Alan

    for a man of the cloth Octavian :)

  • May 23, 2012, 8:50 p.m. CST

    I dunno that it'll hurt American fandom, see Mad Men or The Sopranos

    by sunspot_mike

    The BBC made the call on when to show it and Moff is putting the spin on to make the best of it. I'm cool with that. Showrunners fighting with the network hasn't worked well in the USA (see Darabont on Walking Dead or how Dan Harmon lost his job just this week.) And pissing off Michael Grade didn't help John-Nathan Turner much back in the 80's. The BBC is still the Doctor's "patron" and if they're willing to keep making them with full-boat promotion, a great website (minisodes, games, animated stories, etc...), and thank Jesus, REAL special effects (on Doctor Who, can you believe it?!), then I'll take it any way I can get it. I'm more disturbed by the self-destructive fans who turn into haters when they don't get exactly what they want WHEN they want it. It's like they're rooting against the show they profess to love. I'm not a total Who apologist (well, sometimes I think I'm the only one who likes Colin Baker stories!) but I just don't think it helps to have constant bitching... Sure, express a sadness that we're not getting it right away, but don't surround something beautiful with such negativity. This is Doctor Who, which is one of my favorite things in the world. I hate to see such disparagement of it.

  • May 24, 2012, 12:18 a.m. CST

    TomDolan, re: Moffat love, RTD hate

    by lynxpro

    There's a good reason for it. Moffat is a great writer, and RTD is a Joss Whedon wanna-be. I thought that was pretty obvious from how much of a train wreck Torchwood Miracle Whip Day was.

  • May 24, 2012, 3:37 a.m. CST

    I like them both

    by tomdolan04

    but hating RTD is ridiculous and you see it a lot. So much good joyful fun came from Series 1 - 4 of NuWho amongst its faults. Equally RTD did have a reverance for the source material. You really think the BBC would have given two hoots if in 2003, someone like RTD had come to them and championed bringing it back but ignoring everything that had gone before it? So many great Eccleston and Tenant moments. If as showrunner if RTD can't take credit for the positives, then Moffat can't for his reign. <p> Miracle Day was complete bobbins though

  • May 24, 2012, 3:52 a.m. CST

    and this probably won't go down well

    by tomdolan04

    but in terms of 'joyful fun', I liked that RTD's era was a bit silly. It was daft. Sure sometimes it strayed too far into daft it was shitty, but mostly it was fun and revelled in it's serial schlock nature. <p> With feels that it's not allowed to be that way. It has to be funny or silly in confined moments. You get devotees of Moff saying 'Oh his humour is clever, he's so clever, he's so witty'. And don't get me wrong I love some of his written episodes. <p> Think of it as Moff being the high maintenance intelligent girl and RTD being the slightly downmarket but good-time girl. After a long week at work, whilst knowing I should probably aim higher, I think I know who I'd rather spend saturday with.

  • May 24, 2012, 5:05 a.m. CST

    Stephen Moffat is a genius.

    by sasquatch_with_a_swatch_watch

    One of the few reasons a person can feel good about being in the age we live in. He raises the curtain, I'll be there. He is a true and rare example of a Grant Morrison-sized comic-book-mind working in the ungodly sewer of broadcast television, and you fanboys should be grateful he's there. His Doctor Who has the old Wonka whimsy and Absent Minded Professor know-how, I wouldn't expect the chubby class of ruling fanboy to understand this, considering your brains are trained to crave a lot of macho bullshit from playing so many first person shooter video games.

  • May 24, 2012, 5:13 a.m. CST

    Sminkypinky and others: You are fooling yourselves.

    by Octavian

    Moffat is a charlatan. It might take you another half series, full series, or another one beyond even that but you will realise. Look, it is the nature of fandom. I understand that. I knew for years Morrissey had lost the plot, but kept telling myself he would come through. I'm still waiting. I'm still hoping. That is where some of you seem to be with Moffat. Denial. I could put up with his rampant ego, and even his bumptious delusion laid out across Confidential for all to see, if he dropped the flim flam that every line and every plot was imbued with some immense portent. He repeatedly ties himself up in knots throughout the series and escapes by getting out the scissors in the last act. Also known as cheating. (By the way the death of Doctor Who: Reverential might be the best thing that has happened to Who in a long time. Endless talking heads telling us how this week's monster is the scariest EVAH! And how Moffat is a genius, intercut by clips of Moffat agreeing.) That said, tHe real victim here, if that is not too strong a word, is not the fanbase. It is Matt Smith. Can any young actor faced with the utter lifechanging thrill of being cast in such an iconic role have been so thoroughly let down? I haven't even started on what he did to the world's greatest consulting detective... He's a fucking magpie. One day the penny will drop.

  • May 24, 2012, 5:31 a.m. CST


    by tomdolan04

    Dont agree on Moff but Im with you all the way on Morrissey who creatively and artistically died around 2002 for me.

  • May 24, 2012, 6:38 a.m. CST


    by BloodiedFox

    Dear God it's nice to hear someone like minded on the subject. I enjoy Moffat's work but the over the top vitriol his fans seem to love throwing at RTD (you know, the guy who hired Moffat in the first place) almost makes me want to hate him at times.

  • May 24, 2012, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Once again a non official Docback turns into a chimps tea party.

    by notspock2

    Octavian. Well trolled. Though I think you overstepped the boundaries of believability when you tried to present evidence that he was a plagiarising bullshitter and you decided to list a bunch of things he officially adapted pretty well. If you'd refused to give any evidence you could probably have made it last for a few more posts. 6/10 However, we can agree on Morrissey. So let's not fight about that eh.

  • May 24, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST

    The litmus test for where you stand on RTD

    by tomdolan04

    probably falls on the first episode Rose. If you enjoy the idea of wheelie bins running around town eating people on BBC saturday night primetime, you and I will probably get on. Different strokes for different folks. <p> It exemplified the charm of Who for me as it offers something other po faced sci fi shows with heroes running around yielding guns saving the world from generic alien #2318 dont.

  • May 24, 2012, 8:15 a.m. CST

    That's a good litmus test for where people stand on RTD.

    by V'Shael

    But I wouldn't say it's necessarily a good indication of how well you'd get on with people. The Docbacks are generally civil for the most part, even with fans of RTDs writing. (I thought the wheelie bin was stupid beyond all belief.. but so were a lot of classic Who episodes.)

  • May 24, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST


    by tomdolan04

    I wasnt implying that if you dont agree ill stick you in my hungry bin, but Im with ya ;-) <p> I love Who for its ideas and whimsy. Dramatic arcs and plots are ten a penny in sci-fi. I watch for Moffs throwaway random horses on 51st century spaceships or the concept of being sent to live in the past by angels - not having said angels become plain killer of the week, convoluted year long plots about pregnancies, kidnappings and a smug woman running around saying sweetie.

  • May 24, 2012, 8:46 a.m. CST

    so moffat's just a twat then.

    by hst666

    Got it.

  • May 24, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST


    by Mister Vertue

    I'm not sure why you're so vitriolic in your comments and opinions, but I have to point out that in the credits of Sherlock it says quite clearly 'based on the works of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle'. I would advise against using words that you obviously don't know the true meaning of. Plagiarism is stealing and passing off the ideas (or words) of another as one's own, or using another's production without crediting the source. Just using Sherlock as an example (from the various shows you listed), please explain how this constitutes plagiarism. Looking forward to reading your explanation.

  • May 24, 2012, 9:06 a.m. CST

    hst666 - so moffat's just a twat then

    by Mister Vertue

    Do you always form your opinions of people you've never met based on the rantings of others on the internet (who also haven't met him)? Very easy to sit there and just type a random comment about somebody you don't even know, but if that's how you get your kicks, good luck to you in life.

  • May 24, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST

    bloody fox re:RTD and Moff

    by DoctorTom

    I see some fans who like RTD trashing Moffat, and some Moffat fans who trash RTD. I wouldn't generalize that all or even most fans are that way, though. I don't see any reason why both can't be appreciated. In the case of the pro-Moff anti-RTD faction, I suspect it's only because it's because they didn't like RTD from the start and it was a change. They could have brought someone else in and, as long as it was RTD and they changed it up, they'd be happy. Who knows, they might have been happy if David Yates had come in on the tv show after RTD (instead of bothering with Harry Potter). You shouldn't let anti-RTD people turn you off of Moffat just because they happen to like Moffat. Just as a note, I also think that people who liked RTD who happen not to like Moffat shouldn't complain that the show's crap because it's not like how RTD did it. The show keeps on changing. Graham Williams took over after Phillip Hinchcliffe and we still got good Doctor Who stories, they were just different. Not liking Moffat is their opinion and that's fine (even though it's a wrong opinion :) ), but the people calling him a talentless plagiarizing hack are completely off-base since it's easily documented by the number of awards he's won for his writing - awards given by professional writers as well as awards from the general public - that he's clearly not just a talentless hack.

  • May 24, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Octavian - it's true! You MUST be Lawrence Miles!

    by DoctorTom

    Nobody else could cram that much anti-Moffat vitriol in one human-sized package!

  • May 24, 2012, 9:30 a.m. CST

    also hilarious...

    by sasquatch_with_a_swatch_watch

    wasn't there just a guy in here who said he's tempted to hate Moffat just because he's got fans who like to take the piss out of RTD's work? wow, that's mature. fanboys getting all sweaty mad over shit that has nothing to do with Story, and all to do with Nerds flappin gums about it. Moffat's work on Sherlock is so light years ahead of almost everything else on TV, in terms of characterization, plotting and atmosphere.. kind of makes you realize the difference between it and the rest of pandering boob-toobage.... all medical and cop shows dumbed down for the average dood i'm sorry, but the incessant twee mugging of David Tennant during that entire run just seems tailor made for lesbian fangirls to do sensitive charcoal portraits of his impish face. Thank God we've got Who back where he belongs, weird, baffling and twisty in the proper English way. this Who could easily be a weekly newspaper serial from the 50's and I love it. Tennant Who is almost instantly dated and rubbing WAY too close against the BBC night-time soaps that surrounded it. I don't remember the Tom Baker stories being so preoccupied with the modern cultrural fluff going on in the 70's.... it's a goddamn TIME TRAVELER show, and you've finally got a Victorian whimsy-guzzling, steampunk-styled madman behind the reins. this IS Who. Enjoy it.

  • May 24, 2012, 11:09 a.m. CST


    by BloodiedFox

    Well, no-one can ever accuse me of being mature (except for my fabulous beard), but it does get insanely grating to be constantly told that the 4 years of TV I enjoyed was utterly worthless trash and the man who wrote it the anti-christ, and that the man now in charge (who said anti-christ hired in the first place) is a flawless wonderful gem of perfection who we must all worship. And I reiterate: I don't hate Moffat, however tempted some of his fans (shouldn't have generalised before, mea culpa) make me to. I've enjoyed his 2 years so far, despite the problems they've had (the spoiling of the weeping angels, the pointless dalek switch up, the whole Melody/River thing that went nowhere) and I think Sherlock is pure brilliance. But I enjoyed the Who that preceded it too, despite it's flaws. As has been pointed out above, they're different, and I love them in different ways. Spiel over :)

  • May 24, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Be glad when the Docbacks return tomorrow.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    It always gets silly in the Herc Doctor Who talkbacks. Cheers until tomorrow.