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Mark Millar Offers Some Interesting Insight Into The KICK-ASS Movie Sequel!!

Published at: May 22, 2012, 9:40 a.m. CST by merrick

 

Digital Spy has a discussion with Mark Millar about the progress of the KICK-ASS movie sequel, which we recently learned would be helmed by NEVER BACK DOWN's Jeff Wadlow.  Millar discusses the casting of the film (as far as anyone can tell, the first movie's original cast is expected to return), and quite a bit more.  

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So Jeff Wadlow has been appointed as director on Kick-Ass 2. Why was he chosen to helm the project?

"Matthew Vaughn chose the director about 18 months ago secretly because he knew he wasn't going to be doing Kick-Ass 2 since he had taken on the X-Men franchise."

 

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There are some very controversial scenes in the Kick-Ass 2 comic book. Will it have to be toned down for the screen?

"Every horrible scene in the book will be in the film. The c**t line in the first one, everybody said 'there's no way you're getting that in the movie', but it happened and it's the same thing with this. Everybody is saying 'you can't have a gang rape scene with supervillains' and 'you can't have the dog's head cut off', but every single one of those scenes will go in it."

 

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How much material from the Hit-Girl spinoff comic is going to make it into Kick-Ass 2?

"Hit-Girl will be the first 30 minutes of the movie and then the next 70 minutes is Kick-Ass 2. So Hit-Girl is structured as the first act."

 

 

'Tis an interesting interview which goes into far more detail than teased above.  Check out the whole thing HERE

Thanks to TheSuper (nothing to do with that film!) for calling this article to our attention! 

 

 

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  • May 22, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST

    An almost-legal Chloë Moretz...

    by Karl Childers

    ...will have fanboys salavating.

  • May 22, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Can projects like this survive w/o "THE CAGE?"

    by Short Round

    Nic Cage is an American treasure and Kick Ass 2 will suffer if he isn't a part of the project.

  • May 22, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Duh

    by Brian

    Of course Vaughn isn't doing Kick Ass 2. DUH! I knew that the day I saw X-Men First Class. I knew a sequel was imminent. And as for the content... hopefully this will be more gritty and less... rocket packy.

  • His whole approach is having the smug surliness of a Holden Caulfield with superpowers and a Tourette Syndrome tendency to drop curse words ad nauseam. He's all fascism and no substance. Yeah Millar, we get it: you really really love the freedom of the super villains' perspective. You don't believe in restraint, you don't believe in consequences after punching a hole in a criminal's face. You want your characters to rape Wonder Woman, and piss on girl scouts. Maybe it's the maturity of being in my mid-30s or at least remembering the time when heroes didn't necessarily have it easy to kill every muthafucka in the room, but it was better when they made responsible choses and decisions even when it was difficult to do so. All I see is a guy that enjoys burning the worlds of every story he writes. And that's a cancer on the comic book community. Do I wanna censor the guy? No. But I have no respect for his noise and blood.

  • May 22, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST

    I really don't wanna see a dog's head cut off ...

    by Judge Briggs

    No, thank you. Fuck that. Rape and animals being killed are repulsive to me ... and I don't want to see it.

  • The whole swearing and banana splits fight theme (amongst others) just wouldn't have the same impact with her as a teenager. Or maybe it will, I don't know. She was really funny in the first one. A great little actress.

  • May 22, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST

    At first I didn't expect Kick Ass to be any good..

    by Stalkeye

    ..but it definately exceeded my expectations thanks in part to Moretz's role as Hit Girl, the comedic scenes involving Kick Ass and Cage's parody of Adam West's Batman. Some ppl bitched and moaned about the jet pack scene (with Elvis' song playing.) but it wasn't as bad as some would believe. And yes, the geek finally gets the girl in the end. (litterly.)

  • May 22, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    I would love to see a dog raped while it's head is cut off

    by UltraTron

  • May 22, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Why?

    by UltraTron

  • May 22, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST

    because you wish it

    by UltraTron

  • May 22, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Too bad they fucked up the story the 1st time...

    by LargoJr

    ... you actually expect hem to NOT do it again? Fuck this

  • The only reason the first movie was good was because of the changes from the shitty comic book. Hopefully they will do the same here. Millar is a terrible writer.

  • May 22, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Who cares? The book sucked.

    by Jason Bartlett

  • May 22, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST

    I have no problem with language or gratuitous violence...

    by Edman

    Or even the doggie thing. Rape is just uncomfortable to watch on-screen. There's nothing redeeming about it, and you just feel dirty for having watched it. Kick-Ass was a fun, over the top movie. I really enjoyed it. No matter how it's done, a rape or gang-rape scene will permanently alter the tone of the whole film in a way I don't think works for Kick-Ass. Just because you CAN get away with putting something in your film doesn't mean you should, or that it will make the film good or better.

  • May 22, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Kick-Ass 2 was very average, and quite unpleasant at times

    by Lone Fox

    The rape, while not explicit, just seemed gratuitous. There was no 'pay-off' afterwards. Other then Dave briefly visiting Katie in hospital, it didn't affect the story in any way. Yes, it demonstrated how bad the bad guys really were, but it was purely for shock value, not good writing. Also, as someone else pointed out, the KA series (and all Millarworld titles, in fact) just seem to be a platform for Millar to write swear words into superhero comics. Re-reading The Ultimates recently, I was surprised how restrained his writing was (under Marvel and EDITORS) and how much better it was as a result. I loved KA 1 (comic AND film) and I'm interested in how the new film adapts the material (the film with its changes was better than the comic last time round) but admittedly Moretz being older kind of ruins the appeal of the Hit-Girl character. A 10 year old killing machine was frankly really entertaining.

  • May 22, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Errrrrr........GANG RAPE!?!? Dog's heads getting cut the fuck off?!?!?

    by Jaster Mareel

    What the fucking hell is this shit? I ahven't read either comic but I heard the second isn't nearly as good as the first. Hmmmm... I love the first movie, with a couple of reservations....but this? Damn..

  • May 22, 2012, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Chloe is bigger than some adults now

    by estacado1

    She's had a super spurt and can't really play a little girl anymore.

  • May 22, 2012, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Still waiting for news on NEMESIS...

    by the Green Gargantua

  • May 22, 2012, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Gullible, much?

    by riskebiz

    Does ANYONE believe a word that comes out of Millar's mouth anymore? He is the modern day Chicken Little.

  • May 22, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Kick Ass is so amazing I can't wait for more.

    by Charlie

  • May 22, 2012, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Can projects like this survive w/o "The Cage?"

    by the dolphins are in the jacuzzi

    Give me a fucking break. Cage was the worst thing about Kick-Ass. His campy performance seemed beamed in from a Joel Schumacher Batman film and threatened to derail an otherwise excellently acted, scripted and directed movie. As a matter of fact, that could be said about nearly every Nick Cage project of the last 15-20 years, with the exception of Port of Call - New Orleans. He's content to either overact or sleepwalk through most of his performances these days, and he's become box office poison. Don't get me wrong. I used to be a huge Nick Cage fan - 20 years ago. But these days, he's kind of like Jack Nicholson in the 90's - 00's: a once-great actor who now requires a great director to either reign him in or light a fire under his ass in order to get a decent performance. Now, I'm not saying this movie won't bomb; it might. But if it does, it will be because Wadlow doesn't handle the material as well as Vaughn, not because of anything to do with Nick Cage.

  • May 22, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST

    No WAY IN HELL...

    by Paratrooper_Activity

    will Kick Ass 2 include the rape scene. It waaaaaaaay over the top. Millar should be ashamed of himself ( Romita too ).

  • May 22, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST

    I liked Kick Ass but...

    by angranoid

    In every interview I've read with Millar he comes across as a total, gobby cunt who couldn't tell the truth by accident.

  • I liked the first movie, but I'd rather see a dog get its head cut off than watch an adult punching a little girl again, even if she is lethal.

  • Just by the Rape scene alone. maybe if they have Hit Girl castrate the rapists, It may change her opinion otherwise. No?

  • May 22, 2012, 10:50 a.m. CST

    as for the rape scene

    by Kakii

    I think the rape scene etc could work if done right and theres more to it afterwards rather than just a quick hospital visit. Other wise its just too disposable and will be viewed as shock for shocks sake. Loved the first movie, its one thats actually better than the comic so I hope they can give the second the same treatment.

  • Yeah, he claims its satirical commentary, but the shit he puts in his books and in other superhero storylines puts me off immensely.

  • May 22, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Thanks Rocketeuropa!

    by Atkinson

    Way to Keep It Old School!!!

  • May 22, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    I also hated Cage in the first one

    by Chief Joseph

    All the other actors were playing their characters in a very realistic style, but Cage was hamming it up so much it was breaking the mood. The film got much better after he died. I don't want to see a dog's head cut off either. And I don't even like dogs that much. If they're doing sick shit like that in the film, I won't see it. But they probably won't. This d'bag author probably thinks that just because he has carte blanche in the funny books world he can do whatever he wants in Hollywood, too. To quote Ice-T, "Shit ain't like that!"

  • May 22, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Millar said he wants his universe to be as big as Marvel lol

    by Cobb05

    The first Kick-Ass book wasn't bad. I actually wish they would've used the storyline of the father selling his comic book collection to fund the vigilanteism. Nemisis wasn't bad, but it would make a horrible movie. I haven't read Superior yet. But yeah, i mean you don't need to rely on cursing and do over the top violence if you're a good storyteller.

  • May 22, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Has anyone read The Boys by Garth Ennis

    by Cobb05

    It's sort of the same vein. I like Garth Ennis as a writer, but the book is a little too out there. Again it feels too much like he wanted to push things as far as he could. It's a good idea, but could never be a movie and if it was to be a movie, it would not be good.

  • May 22, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST

    No one said the dog head and rape scene was fun or cool.

    by TylerScruggs

    They're decidedly wrong and no one enjoys reading it. Theyre done by bad guys and even some of the super vilians acknowledge that they've crossed a line. It's not stylized. Also, why is no one brining up the neighborhood children massacre. Which is the worst part, IMO. "So what if iCarly loses a few viewers?"

  • May 22, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Agreed

    by ppself

    You can see a huge difference in his writing, between his Marvel and Millarworld contributions. I really enjoy his storytelling in Civil War and Old Man Logan, which is censored by Marvel. But his Millarworld Kick Ass writing is just over the top nonsense that just compute. I was surprised after the villain rape scene, that the villains didn't piss and crap all over the victim.

  • May 22, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Kick Ass was awful and lost money. Why a sequel?

    by Raptor Jesus

    Seriously, WTF is going on here?

  • ...I guess that didn't pay off too well since Sam as Nick Fury, Hawkeye and Widow being agents and only using the Chitauri name sans all the David Icke bullshit is were pretty much the only elements carried over plot wise from The Ultimates. Thank God.

  • May 22, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    With that said, Kick-Ass was a fun and very rewatchable...

    by thecomedian

    Personally I think Vaughn made a mistake leaving this for X-Men. His X-Men film was awesome but he was tied down to having to do a prequel to Bryan Singer's mediocre X-Men franchise when he really should have been given the complete reigns to do a reboot like Nolan before him and Marc Webb after. There are some fantastic moment in Kick-Ass. That shot where Hit Girl is behind those two henchmen in the dark with the strobe lights and she jumps toward them in slomo with her cape flying in the wind is a cooler and more Batman-esque scene then anything we've seen in ANY of the Batfilms.

  • May 22, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    WOW!! Such BIG news!! MILLAR!! Is so zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

    by FloatingHolmes

    He's gonna blow the lid off that whole "gang rape in a superhero movie" thing. The whole world will give a collective fart.

  • May 22, 2012, 12:17 p.m. CST

    raptor_jesus

    by notspock2

    Kick Ass did not lose a ton of money at all, since it only cost 30 million and bought in 100 million in box office receipts, - when dvd/blu is counted it probably made quite a tidy profit. Hence - Sequel.

  • May 22, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST

    I'm more interested in Supercrooks and The Secret Service movies.

    by Royston Lodge

    Next time yer interviewing Millar, ask what the timeline is like for those to hit the big screen.

  • May 22, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Watchmen had rape, and dead dogs, and other nasty stuff.

    by Royston Lodge

    How come it's ok when Alan Moore does it?

  • May 22, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Movie vs Comic Books

    by SHADOWPRIME

    I enjoyed the KickAss movie more than the comic books, and I hope they use the KickAss 2 comic books purely as a jumping off point. I echo the comments above - far too often, it feels to me like the comic book is just trying to keep upping the ante for its own sake -- "Wouldn't this be sick?"... "Wouldn't this be gross?"..."Bet they won't be expecting THIS". That being said, I think there is an intriguing 'core' there, and a follow on movie, with the tone of the first, would have my interest.

  • May 22, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    royston lodge

    by ppself

    Watchman had a rape scene, but it wasn't nothing compared to seeing teenagers/grown men gang rape some girl that didn't even know KA(in the comics she doesn't get with KA). I don't think it was OK to have a rape scene in Watchmen either. Even then, they made the rape into a positive somehow. Where as the rape in KA2 was pointless and served no real purpose other than shock value.

  • May 22, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    cobb05, I was gonna bring up THE BOYS

    by 3D-Man

    It DOES take things way too far. But I liked how they tackled the "if superheroes existed during 9/11" storyline. Hey, and if they do make a movie, it's gotta star Simon Pegg, right?

  • May 22, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    @ royston lodge

    by Lone Fox

    It's a question of writing ability. Moore knows when to be explicit, and when to leave stuff to your imagination. I do enjoy Millar's writing at times, but he simply cannot control himself.

  • May 22, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Watchmen had ATTEMPTED rape...I don't remember dead dogs

    by Jaster Mareel

  • I'm pretty sure that stuff is still illegal even if you say you're doing it for a movie.

  • May 22, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST

    You guys are all retards...

    by Cimarrian77

    who gives a fuck if they put a fake rape scene and a fake dead dog head in a movie. you idiots know its not real right? And if you are so high and mightey that it offends your ideads of whats right and wrong, go watch something else. What a bunch of little bitches! Youre like that douche bag who stood up during The Woman and starting raving about morals and shit. No one cares.

  • May 22, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Kick-Ass 3: Superhero Centipede

    by Jaster Mareel

    Make it happen Millar! Right after you have Superman die as the fucking sun burns out!

  • May 22, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST

    watchmen already depicted dead dog and rape....

    by simongarth2001

    30 frackin yrs ago.....and nobody cared. Why should I now?

  • Have superheroes raping and dismembering for 90 minutes. That's KEWL! Now excuse me because I have the neighbor girl tied up in the basement and I'm going to go fuck her with a broom handle with nails driven through it. Ya whiney bitches!

  • May 22, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Refresh my memory

    by Wyrdy the Gerbil

    I might be off here but i believe Kick Ass the film wasn't actually based on Kick Ass the comic as such ...if i remember it right they were both developed at the same time with Matthew Vaughn and Jane Goldman making a lot of changes to the story for the film script. what ever happens though what made Kick-Ass a great film was Matthew Vaughn Jane Goldman not Mark Millar

  • May 22, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    RE: "Watchmen had ATTEMPTED rape...I don't remember dead dogs"

    by Stalkeye

    Fett, the scene which depicted dead dogs was during Rorshach's investigation of a missing Girl whose remains/bones were fed to her Killer's Dogs. Needless to say, Good ol Ror handled business. Killer: "You Killed my fucking Dogs, Man". "are you gonna arrest me"? (something of that line.) Rorshach: "Men get arrested, Dogs get put down"!! Killer's face is split open. FIN

  • May 22, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Watchmen kicked ass before Kick Ass.

    by Stalkeye

    FACT.

  • May 22, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST

    @cimmarian77

    by Judge Briggs

    Right, 'The Woman' is a horror movie ... 'Kick Ass' is not. False equivalency. That and you're fucking dickhole for saying that just because people don't want to see rape and animals killed in movies (even if it's fake) are assholes. No, douchebag, you're the asshole and apparently in the minority here. Filmmakers can do whatever they like and shouldn't be censored ... I am just not going to watch it.

  • May 22, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Give me a break...

    by SavageDragoner

    I love all these people saying that the gang rape serves no purpose, and it's just for shock value. As someone in the thread said early, the whole point of KA is that it deals with superheroes in the real world. So you all think that if a bunch of psychopaths and gang members banded together, that they would play fair, under some kind of Geneva Convention of Supervillainy? Or limit themselves to only acts that wouldn't offend anyone? Wake up and look at what the world is like right now. Millar is holding a mirror up to that, but that's okay, you guys keep hiding your heads in the sand. That will always make it better...

  • May 22, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST

    rape scene = actors quitting.

    by Jake Pantlin

    Sorry, but this is a comic book that deals with people dressing up as superheroes. I don't want to go to the show and see a gang rape happen on screen. They should leave it out as it serves no purpose storywise. I sure as hell can't imagine the actress wanting to return to film that scene. In fact, I could see a number of the main actors staying away from the project if they try to include that rape scene. Anone wanting out of their contract (if they signed one) could use that as the reason.

  • May 22, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Yeah I remembered that scene with the dogs after I posted

    by Jaster Mareel

    But those dogs were eating a little girl. Killing them was sort fo a foregone conclusion by that point. Now out of context that scene might sound too fucked up for a superhero film, but in the course of the story it makes perfect sense because it needed to push him over the edge. It is also more implied than shown. Strangely they upped the gore for that scene than what was in the comic, and that was a mistake. They should have done the Mad Max scene, even though it had been ripped off. That was a long time ago after all and 80% of the audience wouldn't even remember it.

  • Remove all the superheroes from the story, and Kick-Ass still would not take place in the "real world". Lets get real people. The mobsters alone were right out of a cartoon, for fuck sakes. Nothing about that movie seemed 'real world' to me.

  • May 22, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Kick-Ass haters

    by Chadley BeBay

    are fucking pathetic. You have no clue what a sick book that is... and the excuses for hating it are so... IDIOTIC!

  • May 22, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST

    @judge briggs

    by Cimarrian77

    really? a super hero movie? KickAss is about as much a super hero movie as Defendor or Super were.Were you at those movies defending the honor of comic book movies everywhere? no you were probably at Starbucks with you retard friends. Being little hipster movie fags. I hope the whole movie is rape and dead dogs. Nothing would make me happier. :)

  • May 22, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    @cimmarian77

    by Judge Briggs

    Ye'up, you justified me calling you an asshole because man oh man, you sound like one. I bet you're not too popular in real life? Especially with the ladies. When people wish for dead dogs and rape scenes in movies like 'Kick Ass'... while calling other people people 'fags' for saying they don't want to see that sort of material in a movie ... that's usually the call sign for being a tool box in real life. Fucking tool.

  • May 22, 2012, 2:11 p.m. CST

    I disagree with thecomedian...

    by Travis Williams

    The Ultimates was very well written and I enjoyed it immensely.

  • For one, her agent and publicist would probably advice against it. Although it isn't her character being assualted, it would still reflect poorly on her; especially with female fans. She is becoming an A-list star, and they won't want to damage her image.

  • May 22, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST

    The sad thing is I don't believe anything MILLAR says anymore

    by melonman

    He's come out with bullshit unfounded in reality statements too darn many times now.

  • May 22, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST

    just a couple of things:

    by Johnboy40

    There was a Gang Rape scene in the crow. for spewbacca, i guess animal mutilation became funny in Tim Burton's Mars attacks. When the Martians swapped Sarah Jessica Parker's head with that of her dog. and that was a comedy. (yes, how could we tell her head had been swapped, ect ect ect.) It's not like KS2 would be the first movie to ever depict these things, whether it's in a serious fashion or a comedic one (though I cant recall a comedy rape scene, to be fair) I'll judge if and when i see it. Im sure some people found the idea of a pre teen girl slaughtering people to the banana splits theme a bit much too.

  • May 22, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST

    re: There was a Gang Rape scene in the crow.

    by Jake Pantlin

    Yes, but it wasn't glorified in the Crow. I think what bothers a lot of people is how it is presented in the comic. There is a shock value that just doesn't sit right with some.

  • May 22, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    By the way, I liked KICK-ASS

    by Jake Pantlin

    I just don't care for the comic book sequel. Came across as a lazy cash grab.

  • May 22, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Kick Ass was boring.

    by shutupfanboy

    I am sorry, I felt like I was watching a snuff film at times. I was so bored by the end with all the bloody fights that I stopped caring. I guess the comic is much worse without the happy endings. I guess that is an improvement, I guess. Millar also skull fucked Marvel for me with the end of Civil War and Quesada's dumb ass idea of breaking up Peter and MJ to just to tell the same stories over and over again.

  • May 22, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    George R.R. Martin already did it

    by seagrass

    at least when referring to the dog's head (go read A Feast for Crows). Was it an homage from Millar to Martin? Or just outright theft?

  • ..who's sense of craft and storytelling is short-term and jumping from one so-called "event" to another, lending itself, more often than not, to shooting themselves in the foot. Fortunately, these "events" are leading to a less and less interest in this medium that had so much glowing promise in the sixties. Now it looks as though that promise born with the tales of Lee and Kirby are degenerating into the junk storytelling of Miller and Millar. Damn crying shame. The Golden Days are behind us.

  • May 22, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST

    I guess I'm in the Minority, but I loved the idea of Civil War

    by Stalkeye

    the premise was realistic without coming off too pretentous. Superheroes for the most part, are Human beings and are likely to side with what they deem is righteous. Stark, motivated by the tragedy in Stamford decides to support the registration act, while Cap refuses to trade freedom for security. Thus the rest is history. I thought it was a game changer, but yes, the final result was a bit of a letdown as Steve surrendered to the authorities. Worst part of the saga was the Thor and Captain Marvel clones. Totally unecessary. Oh, and the cash grab crossovers in other books. But that's Marvel for ya.

  • He puposley modeled Ultimates Nick Fury from SMJ as oppossed to it being some affirmative action choice, he stated that Sam is the epitome of Cool and that Sterankos Fury went out with the days of The Rat Pack. LOL If Marvel was to make a film based on the original 616 Fury, Jeffrey Dean Morgan would be my only choice. Hasselhoff and that abomination of a TV Movie,can go fuck themselves.

  • May 22, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST

    sounds terrible

    by misnomer

    I'm working on my own graphic-novel and trying to saturate the thing with substance. Maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick...? I mildly enjoyed Kick-Ass but hate all this subversive comic-culture shit. There may be a guilty pleasure to gleam from watching an 8 year old girl drop the C-bomb, but there's no guilty pleasure in rape. Actually...wait a minute...

  • OK? The whole first film was built around LAUGHS! It's a CAMPY SATIRE! Sure it had some dramatic tension in it too, but most of the gore type stuff was actually supposed to contribute to the over the top comedic tone. So to go from that to a fucking GANG RAPE SCENE...that's a dramatic fucking change and despite being a huge backer of the first film that saw it in the theater and owns the Blu-ray (in other words THE TARGET AUDIENCE), I say =NO FUCKING WAY WILL I SEE THIS if there is a gang rape scene in it= Just Not. Going. To. Fucking. Happen. It's not there's not a fucking SHITLOAD of other great films out there, even other superhero films. Other gritty and funny superhero films even. As far as I'm concerned, Kick-Ass is over. It had one great film...and that was it. I fucking swear to you the sequel, if it even DOES get made, which I think is not a certainty, will be a massive financial failure.

  • May 22, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST

    All the people complaining about dead dogs & rape

    by NeverTalksBack

    Seriously?! Do you people understand anything about art, about story, about literature? OMG there's violence and rape in this movie, this is too much for my gentle (comicbook loving brain). The world of comicbooks is not limited to DC & Marvel & Darkhorse, there's more to it than that. Any of you ever read a comicbook that presented "crazy shit" in the context of the story? Just because something crazy/fucked up happens in a comic/movie doesn't mean they are celebrating rape or cruelty to animals. OR trying to shock just to shock. I like fucked up comics, my favorite was the Maxx... Anyone have ANY idea what that comic is about? I bet you don't. Millar does seem like kinda an asshole.... so do plenty of people. You don't like him & his comics, don't buy'em, don't go see the movie. But stop acting like if someone gets something out of a comic story that has terrible real life situations then they are immature or cruel or something. That conclusion is completely asinine.

  • I actually hated Kick-Ass 2 the comic, I wasn't feeling it at all. So I'm truly hoping like the first one that make some changes to the story so that it's a better movie. In the first 1 had the change were the Geek got the girl, and a few other tweaks. So if they do stuff like that in this one I'd be cool otherwise I'll pass on it.

  • May 22, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    I saw The Maxx animated series on Mtv

    by Jaster Mareel

    That was a great fucking show. ......Don't see what that has to do with Kick-Ass though. And yes, I know what the show was about, but that was compeltely different. It wasn't a balls-out comedy with Adam West impersonations and rave party dancing in a camaro.

  • Look if Kick-Ass characters were actually taking place in the real world. The Character Kick Ass would've been dead after the first encounter. So please cut with the whole the gang rape makes sense in a real world context. Simply because if those characters existed the cops would've already blown them the hell away or locked their ass up before they even got the chance to do half the ish they do in the comic. And here's the thing that really cracks me up, I'm not reading a comic for realism. Super-Heroes don't exist period, therefore I'm not looking for the realism in Spider-Man or the Avengers. Hell even with Nolan trying to real life Batman with the TDK series has had it's flaws with that logic. But at least his take is entertaining.

  • Nothing was really shown in the rape scene in the comics. We know that it happened and that it was going to happen, but Millar cut away and Romita never drew it. There was nothing graphic about the scene. The notion of it happening is really what freaks people out. It's horrendous that a comic character would do that. However, Millar never showed the act. He basically set it up, said that it was going to happen, and eventually showed her in the hospital. That's it. The idea is sickening, but it [the act] doesn't happen on panel. The dog scene..... 1) You never see the dog beheaded. JRJr never drew that. 2) When you DO see the head... Is it really any worse than the Godfather horse head scene? If you can stomach that then this shouldn't be a problem. It's gratuitous, but it's also Millar's way of showing that Motherfucker's gang is just a bunch of Godfather wannabe thugs. Really, the one scene that would take the most flack is the one that IS shown on panel and that's where Motherfucker guns down a bunch of school children. JRJr draws it so that we only see the back of their heads as Motherfucker shoots toward the camera, but he DOES draw that scene. This is the one that Millar and the new director will have to shoot very carefully or remove completely. I know that a lot of people hated the gratuitous violence of the comic, but here's the way I see it. If the original Kick-Ass was about the birth of a superhero then Kick-Ass 2 is about the birth of a super villain. Remember that none of these guys have powers. Dave's "powers" are basically some dead nerve endings and some billy clubs. Using those powers, in the name of justice, involves beating somebody to death. Hit-Girl, to fight evil, chops people's heads off and tosses them into giant compactors. She's the GOOD guy. =) It'd make sense that the bad guys, to be worse than their non-super counterparts, would be that much more... evil. Also, apart from raising the stakes for Dave, it also gives him a compelling reason to up his game. These bad guys aren't just peddling drugs or mugging old ladies. They're raping his would be girlfriend. They're beheading animals. They're offing children. They're killing his dad. These guys are monsters. Kick-Ass, in the sequel, is beyond the point of tasers and haplessly winning battles. The bad guys are going to commit. Millar's giving Dave a reason to commit to his crusade too. He's giving him a reason why he can't look away. He's giving Hit-Girl a solid reason to disobey Marcus and come out of retirement. Personally, I loved the book. I just wonder if they're going to film 2 & 3 back to back. Considering the fact that Kick-Ass 2 ends off on a cliffhanger, it'd almost be cruel not to.

  • May 22, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    So comic movies should all be family wholesome?

    by Obi Wanna Cannoli

    We are in a comic movie era. Just like the Western era there is room for all types of comic movies. You can enjoy the wholesome John Wayne no blood style comic book movies or for those with a more mature and realistic outlook on life you can watch the Wild Bunch style comic book movie. Kick Ass for me was one of the best movies of that year. It took comic movies in a different direction. If you don't like ultra violence or some taboos fine. You can watch the 1980s version of Batman or the Reeves Superman. But don't assume the rest of us are satisfied with the same formulaic super heroes rehashed over and over again.

  • KA1 had funny scenes because Dave was so inept. He was entering a world he only thought he knew. He was just a poor pathetic fanboy. His life was pathetic. He, as a hero, was inept. Dave was all Peter Parker and ZERO Spider-Man. He was goofy and awkward. That same sort of logic applied to Red Mist, who was also an incompetent fanboy with gangster dreams. The humor that emerged from his home life was there to offset the harsh realities of what his dad really did for a living. Here was his dad, fresh off of torturing another thug, and all he was thinking about was snacks for his kid at the movies. Torturing that guy? A day at the office. Worrying about being late for the movie? It was a very sort of Seinfeld moment. Surreal because you don't expect the bad guy to think about that crap. You'll notice that the movie takes a dark turn once Dave meets Hit-Girl and Big Daddy. He realizes that he's a poseur and now he's stuck in a world of shit. He's in way over his head and getting hit by a car will look like a cakewalk. The movie gets darker and the humor remains, but is far less pervasive. The humor is mostly there to highlight the absurdity of what's going on. When the bad guy is willing to use a bazooka to get rid of a 12 year old girl... Here's a guy who doesn't know the meaning of the word overkill. Mystery Men is a comedy. Kick-Ass is an action movie, but uses humor as part of its genre deconstruction. It's Watchmen without the pretension. In the real world, Superman's costume would give him a wedgie, Batman gadgets would instantly get traced back to him, and Captain America's shield tosses would probably kill people instead of just knocking them over. Kick-Ass knows what it is and never takes itself seriously. Millar gives it an extremely stylized hyper-realism, but tempers it with that wink and nod knowing that would exist in something like Deadpool.

  • May 22, 2012, 4:59 p.m. CST

    I don't see how this will work

    by Mike

    Kick Ass 2 the comic was even more violent and disturbing than the first comic. They already toned the first comic down so I don't see why they wouldn't here. Either way, the first Kick Ass movie was more of a comedy and the Kick Ass 2 book isn't funny at all. It's a disturbing look at what a real life superhero/supervillain team scenario would look like. They shouldn't even try to adapt it, but rather do something different that is more in line with the Kick Ass movie.

  • Not 100% accurate. For the first movie, the comic and the screenplay were written at the same time. Both the movie and the comic were written from a common outline and set of notes, but the movie really wasn't an adaptation of the comic per se. They were simply different approaches to the same material. It was as if two groups were given the same box of materials and asked to solve the same specific problems, but were then put in different rooms. The comic was still being written as the movie was being put together. I think that all of this was noted in the making-of book. Kick-Ass 2 should have a different development path. The comic is already written and has been out for a while now. IMO, the first big deviation from the source material would come from that initial 30 minutes of Hit-Girl stuff. That's because the Hit-Girl mini is still being written. The second difference would come from the fact that ther first movie established that Katie hooked up with Dave, which never happened in the comic. Apart from that, for better or worse, I expect that the sequel could remain more faithful. Unlike the first movie, there's very little of that parallel development going on here.

  • It wasn't meant to be funny. Kick-Ass' world is darker now. He's already seen people die. He was tortured in the first comic/movie. Even in the comics, the humor kinda dies down after the first act. Again, some remains, but reality kicks him in the butt and the fantasy world he imagined didn't exist. The real world of costumed heroes didn't have four colors. It only had one: blood red. Look at that 3rd act of Kick-Ass one. Big Daddy gets his head blown off. Hit-Girl snorts what's probably coke before she heads into battle. Dave pisses himself as his nuts are attached to a car battery. Not so many chuckles in the comic once reality, as Millar sees it, hits him over the head.

  • May 22, 2012, 5:29 p.m. CST

    I'm not a fan of rape! But....

    by hopeless

    If its important to the character structure like in the Watchmen I understand. But if it has nothing To do with the story then its cause the writer and director are sickos and getting their rocks off.

  • May 22, 2012, 5:47 p.m. CST

    nevertalksback you're seriously going to try and pull a

    by peter

  • you've obviously never met and known anyone who has been rapped. Or else I'd doubt you'd play that literature and art and story bullshit. Rape is rape! Don't attempt to lessen the subject matter purely because it's from a comic book, or written in a story. The rape victim in the story is Kick-Ass TEENAGE girlfriend. She gets rapped ONLY because Red Mist wants to piss off Kick Ass. I liked the first film but to have a gang rape of a teenage girl in the sequel is completely unwanted.

  • May 22, 2012, 5:55 p.m. CST

    I think that it really does serve the story, hopeless.

    by cookepuss

    In Millar's little world, the heroes kill, but only bad guys. He's drawing a line here. Bad guys don't have a code. They rape. They kill children. They kill animals. They won't hesitate to kill the hero's family. It all serves the story here. Because Dave was foolish enough to believe that the real world would be like the comics, he failed to think about the consequences. His selfishness dragged Katie down and got her raped. His unwillingness to grow up got his dad murdered. His suiting up again at the end is more about him taking responsibility for the mess he made and how others have suffered. A lot of people say that Millar's work here is shallow, but I think that it has a level of depth that's just a bit more subtle than some of his other commentary.

  • May 22, 2012, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Good to see the Millar hate

    by m_prevette

    ...cause he IS a tremendous douche bag. Prime example of a hack.

  • May 22, 2012, 8:52 p.m. CST

    atheron:

    by PRESIDENT BALTAR

    it's cute that you think "chloe cant / wont do that" when her mom agreed to let her say cunt in a movie as a 10 year old

  • May 22, 2012, 10:18 p.m. CST

    To anyone saying Kick-Ass was not a comedy:

    by Jaster Mareel

    WATCH. THE FUCKING. TRAILER. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFpWpkxsVI8

  • May 22, 2012, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Haven't read anything by Millar since Ultimates

    by jarhead_h

    Because the guy can't write for shit.... except when he can. The Captain America beginning was simply perfect, and everything that followed was pure shit. The whole thing felt like it was written by a 13 year old. Kick-Ass the film was my favorite flick that year, and I'm pretty sure that it's because the screenwriter streamlined the hell out of it. Kick-Ass 2 will hopefully get the same treatment. I'm sure the dogs head will get cut off, and the off-rape will still happen OFF screen. The biggest worry about the film should remain the choice of director.

  • May 22, 2012, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Even WANTED was better as a film

    by jarhead_h

  • May 22, 2012, 11:34 p.m. CST

    @wrath_of_fett: Trailers lie all of the time.

    by cookepuss

    How many crappy movies can you name with really awesome trailers? Probably tons. How many awesome movies tanked at the box office because of lousy trailers and piss poor marketing? Way too many to count. Kick-Ass was sold to audiences as one thing and delivered something else entirely. That's not uncommon at all. The marketing people had a hell of a time with the TV ads on that thing since all of the great scenes either had gratuitous violence or tons of swearing. With little else to show, they defaulted to the lighter, more mass market aspects - namely the humor. The more serious print ads and the lighter TV ads never really matched up, which resulted in a bit of confusion. With Kick-Ass, I can understand why the marketing people had a problem. With other movies? Not so much. Have you ever seen "View from the Top" with Gwyneth Paltrow and Christina Applegate? Sadly, I have. The trailer and TV ads presented it as a straight up comedy. In fact, they emphasized the comedic stylings of Mike Meyers. Unfortunately, while Meyers was funny, he was only in it for about 5 minutes and the rest of the movie was painfully unfunny. It didn't even try, emphasizing everything other than comedy. They really sold a movie that didn't exist. Same thing with the movie "They". It was sold as a horror movie, but actually didn't turn into one until the last 10 minutes. Never trust a trailer. They're marketing tools and nothing more. Sometimes, there's truth in advertising. Most times, there's none. Matrix 2&3 or the Star Wars prequels, anyone?

  • May 22, 2012, 11:40 p.m. CST

    @jarhead_h: Apples to oranges

    by cookepuss

    For one thing, Wanted bore almost no resemblance to Millar's comic, a fact that drew the ire of many a fanboy. In that respect, you're not comparing Millar to Millar at all. Second, both movies were conceptually different. One was about a wannabe superhero while the other was, essentially, a revenge movie in a Matrix candy coating. Compare Kick-Ass to other like movies instead. Super or Defendor spring to mind. Comparing it to Wanted doesn't seem wholly fair.

  • You can make that claim about nearly every talent out there. Jeff Loeb is battered by the net geeks all the time. Loeb sucks this. Loeb bites that. Then he pulls out a great arc and suddenly they all forget that they were trashing him just the week before. Hey. You're on AICN you already know how quickly the wind can change direction. Personally, I just accept that not every story can be a gem and that even the best writers hit rough patches. I also accept that even the most talentless hack can have a moment of pure genius too. That's just kind of how the way things work. It's rare that you get an acknowledged talent or hack that's uniformly good or bad.

  • May 23, 2012, 1:13 a.m. CST

    heads

    by Party_Animal_IV

    people dont bitch about human heads getting cut off?! but they start to whine if its a dog

  • ...seems like AICN is more about media back-slapping these days as opposed to the genuine fan scoops it was built on.

  • May 23, 2012, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Mark Millar. I love/hate him

    by Autodidact

    He gave us Superman: Red Son and the comic version of WANTED. Also some of the better The Authority stories. But it seems like almost everything he writes is either intended to become a movie (and thus written with movie structure and beats and relying on your familiarity with cinematographic cliches), or as said above he only cares about burning down whatever world he's writing and showing the characters be complete fascist sociopathic cunts.

  • Ultimates vol 1 and 2 are good comics. The problem is they were fairly definitive... any Ultimates comics after Vol 1 and 2 just seem redundant. I always check out of things as soon as they get wonky. First four volumes of Authority are great, but by the end the original author is gone and the third and fourth artists had not half of the talent wielded by either Bryan Hitch or Frank Quitely.

  • Both of those books start out amazing and just sort of peter out, in different ways. NEMESIS volume 1 shows you the same thing over and over for 90 pages and then just ends. There is no payoff at all. SUPERIOR starts out as a promising twist on SHAZAM and then just sort of does nothing with it. Millar doesn't always fail to do something with his premise. I guess he sticks out as disappointing and frustrating to me because he can write such good stories when he's not churning out high concept stuff that could be good if he would just slow down and flesh out the concepts.

  • I can see the Shazam parallels, but I read it as more of a "be careful what you wish for" sort of story. Very monkey's paw. It was, imo, basically a super hero story set in the Twilight Zone world, which was perverse fun. I liked it. Would it make for a good movie? Not sure. Maybe if they expanded on it, as the execution was a little simple in spots. However, I wouldn't be too opposed if somebody tried. I just wonder who they'd get to play the action hero & Superior. Dwayne Johnson maybe? I don't know. I think that all of the good action heroes are just too old now.

  • It's really a minor thing. There are bigger hurdles to jump.

  • May 23, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Trailers

    by Jaster Mareel

    I have seen trailers that looked very different from the final films, though none are springing to mind right now. I loved THEY! I thought it was a great little thriller. As for paying money to watch View From the Top, no matter what the fuckin' trailer looked like. Yeesh. I thought the trailer for Kick-Ass was pretty fuckin' representative of the film. Like I say, the over the top violence matched the comedic tone. hit Girl clearing that room of drug dealers for example. True they couldn't show the gore in a green trailer, but it's still a funny scene...because a 10 year old girl is violently killing a bunch of armed thugs, and reveling in it. So if Millar is changing the tone for the next film, he's alienating what made the first movie fun. Therefore I'm not interested in seeing it.

  • May 23, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    president baltar - no wonder you never got re-elected!

    by Jake Pantlin

    It's cute that I think that? I think you are forgetting something. Chloe wasn't an A-list star when she made Kick Ass. Now she is one of the biggest names in Hollywood. That changes things. Her Mom probably didn't have a problem with her saying 'cunt' 10 times because she was grateful that her daughter was starring in a film. Now they have way more say in what she does as an actor.

  • May 23, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Superior was great

    by masteryoda007

  • When my Wife and I saw the film in the threater, the audience chuckled and laughed their asses off for the most part. There were many funny scenes even during the film's opening in which some guy dressed like Birdman dives from a building. (we know how well that went.) However, things took a turn on a more serious note as Hit Girl witnessed her Father being burned to death and that semi pivitol scene in which she stirs at Big Daddy's Cup of Cocoa. It was a great mix of dark humor, satire, pathos/drama and it's share of action. Plenty of ppl I know were very skeptical of KA but changed their opinions after seeing the film. Much better adaptation than Millar's Wanted.

  • May 23, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Chloes NOT to old you muppets

    by Wyrdy the Gerbil

    Certain things worked like fuck in the first film and Chloe Moretz was the best of them so even if she is to old compared to the comic they would be insane to not offer her the part..will she do it fucked if i know but i suspect like the first film the scriptwriters will be making huge changes to any script for Kick-Ass2 and the first thing they do will be to make Hit Girl older

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