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How the Hell is Leno even on? Which murder victim does he have pictures of?
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May 17, 2012, 11:04 p.m. CST
Carson on more than one occasion hinted that Dave was going to be his successor.
by Cedric Ford
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May 17, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST
Conan and Dave are still being kind about what went down. We'll get how they really feel once they both no longer are on the air.
by Cedric Ford
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May 17, 2012, 11:08 p.m. CST
Still miss the more edgy Letterman back in the NBC days. RIP Larry "Bud" Melman.
by Cedric Ford
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The only late night guy that I think has any talent at all is the scotsman. The rest bore me. Letterman in particular. He's the worst of the bunch.
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however the ultimate worst is jimmy fuckin fallon
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do i have to think of everything hollywood?
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but no matter how much you want it to happen Herc, Leno always beats Conan in the ratings and is ahead of Letterman most weeks as well Kimmel and Fallen are both excellent though...I enjoy watching them both much more then Conan, Leno or Letterman
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May 18, 2012, 12:49 a.m. CST
Digs at Leno aren't exactly hard to construct. He does most of the work for us.
by gotilk
Come on, you know it. Leno's days are numbered, even if that number starts high and moves down slowly. It is inevitable. I enjoy Letterman still once in a while. I have Ferguson (my personal favorite) set up to record about 10 minutes early so I can almost always catch the musical guest, but occasionally I get a little bit of an interview or two. He's still very funny. Conan is still a ton of fun as well. But the real king of late night is Ferguson.
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But Fallon I usually can't sit through. Nothing against the guy, he can be entertaining. It's just not.... a good fit for me somehow. I can't sit through his whole show. Great band he has though, maybe the best late night band of all time.
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Leno taking it back it made Conan look like the sympathetic victim of network politics that people could rally around but lets get real. Now I was a huge Conan fan & watched almost every episode of the 12:30 show but through the years the show became lamer and lamer. By the time he got Leno's spot he was a shadow of his former self with Andy having to do double duty to inject life into the awkward show. The tonight show with Conan was not going to get much better as evidenced by the TBS show which is just as unsatisfying.
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Conan didn't shave his facial hair. It saw Jay Leno and went back in. The reason your mom likes Jay Leno so much is because he is your real dad. David Letterman is only allowed to fuck his interns after Jay Leno is through with them. Jay Leno made Jon Stewart eat a pound of bacon. Jay Leno forced Howard Stern to host a shitty talent show. Jay Leno has forgotten more about the Art of War than Sun Tzu will ever know. Jay Leno didn't "hide" in that NBC broom closet. He was WAITING in that NBC broom closet. David Letterman didn't have a bypass. Jay Leno ripped out his heart and showed it to him and stuffed it back in. Jay Leno is only half Scottish but is still more Scottish than Craig Ferguson. Jimmy Fallon once had a dream about hosting The Tonight show and apologized to Jay Leno the second he woke up. 11:30 changed it's name to Jay Leno. Jay Leno tossed Conan out of NBC so hard he landed on TBS. You will retire before Jay Leno does. You will also die before Jay Leno does. Jay Leno met Buddha. Jay Leno killed Buddha. Jay Leno then used the tree Buddha was sitting under for forty days and forty nights to make his desk. Jay Leno has a garage full of cars, but they don't need gasoline. They run on the tears of his vanquished foes. When Jay Leno starts his car it doesn't go "broommm" it goes "It is an honor to be driven by you!" Jay Leno knew exactly what kinds of droids he was looking for and fucking found them. Jay Leno does not need a bigger boat. If you say Jay Leno into a mirror three times nothing will happen because Jay Leno has better things to do. When the world seems to shine like you had too much wine, that isn't amore. That is Jay Leno When Jay Leno stares into the abyss, the abyss knows not to stare back. When Jay Leno sneezes he never covers his mouth because everyone wants to breath it in.
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May 18, 2012, 1:55 a.m. CST
stop calling youself "cerebus". We know it's you, Jay.
by Kevin Spellman
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I used to love Conan when he was doing Late Night. That was the perfect setup for him. When he went to The Tonight Show, it just didn't fit. Plus, Andy Richter annoys me. Now, I admit, Conan had some CLASSIC bits there while all the crap with Leno was going on. But I saw his show on TBS early when it first moved over there and it was every bit as dull as when he first went to The Tonight Show. I never watch anything except The Daily Show anymore.
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May 18, 2012, 2:17 a.m. CST
"By the time he got Leno's spot he was a shadow of his former self"
by Shermdawg
That's because Smigel didn't follow him to L.A. Clutch Cargo skits > Conan on location bits
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I guess Carson used to write jokes for Letterman after he retired, he'd see something on the news and jot down a quick joke and sent it to Dave. Letterman would acknowledge them by doing the pretend golf swing.
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of retirement. Ireland We have The late Late show with Ryan Tubridy and the sooner he goes and fucks off to england the better. Saturday night is even worse. Saturday night show with Brendan O' Connor and then for the summer its Saturday night with Miriam. We have to pay a 160 euro licence fee for that rubbish. \
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May 18, 2012, 6:26 a.m. CST
Conan on The Tonight Show started slow, but it was really picking up, even before the Leno mess
by iamnicksaicnsn
It started with moving Andy back over to the couch once the monologue/first segment was over. I really feel like it could have picked up. Having said that, the move to TBS was a huge missed opportunity in that he could have done ANYthing, and instead just left it a boring milquetoast talk show that was a shell of anything it once was. Ok, that's a bit harsh, it's... Conan... but it could have been ANYthing.
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one of the vilest human beings ever. a man of no obvious talent.
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Lets not forget having to put up with Pat Fucking Kenny on the Late Late for all those hateful years... The Toy Show hosted by himself was an abomination. Kids scarred for life up and down the country... The TV equivalent of abuse by the Catholic Church...
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then you know how far short all of them fall.
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Jay is fine - he may not be "cutting edge" but he does the job well. Dave is cranky. Conan is NOT funny. Waaaay over-rated. Did you read the 2 books about the issues? NBC Brass should be to blame NOT Jay. Jay just wanted to work and work hard. Dave doesn't want to work hard. Conan, although I don't like him, did get screwed but NBC made mistakes. MANY mistakes. No one should hold Jay to the fire for anything. If Conan could have listed to the conversations he would have. Dave too. Jay got lucky. Stop whining.
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Done in the voice of Ed McMahon.
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but the end of story is - no on can touch Carson. Period.
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Carson was an EMPLOYEE of NBC. Who he wanted to replace him was irrelevant. Letterman demanded an astronomical amount of money and wanted creative control. Leno was cheaper and easier to work with. NBC gambled on Leno and won. And they keep winning. Meanwhile Conan and Dave sit around and make jokes. They should focus less on Leno and more on getting their numbers up.
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May 18, 2012, 8:09 a.m. CST
DAVE LOOKS SOOOOOOO WORN. HE SHOULD TAKE A PAGE OUT OF HIS IDOL JOHNNY'S BOOK AND RETIRE NOW.
by Darth Busey
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I agree. jerry seinfield..... indeed...
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Carson was King,Dave is past his prime,Conan NEVER had it,Leno understands the secret-apeal to the majority dont make waves thats why his is still on and Conan is gone
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no question about it....
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May 18, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST
Don't make me chime in on this topic. I'll set you Leno-supporters straight on how the world really works.
by jawsfan
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@j2talk - you hit it right on the head - Leno understands the secret-apeal to the majority dont make waves @jawsfan - would love to hear "how the world really works" I'm bored today at work. go for it.
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they interviewed a man whose book lit into eamonn andrews former Chair of RTE of Authority. on that show was Miriam O callaghan who worked on this is your life and knew Eamonn Andrews very well. kenny worked with Eamonn Andrews also. and knew him. Kenny for all his stiffness is a superb researcher and has one of the best radio teams in the country. Kenny and his frontline team should have checked the tweet before reading it out. it sank Sean Gallagher's presidency and he hasnt shut about it since. RTe didnt come well out of that one either and kenny was unfit to chair that debate as i dont think he is anti ff. he is a superb radio presenter.
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when Conan and Dave retire from showbiz and don't have to speak in diplo-speak anymore. Although it seems that Dave is ready now.
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Leno didn’t deserve the Tonight Show (Letterman took a shitty timeslot and built an audience for NBC and effectively paid his dues) but he seemed like a decent guy despite his woefully unfunny shtick. NBC execs ultimately made that choice and they fucked Letterman because they thought they could get Leno and retain Letterman in his timeslot. I can’t blame Leno for taking the job. However, regardless of how you feel about Conan, he took the reigns of the show and then Leno, discovering that he was ill-suited for primetime, bullishly took them back and made himself look like a considerable asshole in the process.
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What should matter to anyone beyond an NBC exec is legacy and Leno’s legacy is dull, uninspired and entirely without merit. Leno will be known for nabbing some exclusive interviews and being the man who displaced two enormous talents while looking that much smaller in their absence. My theory is that NBC knew that Leno could never cut it in Dave’s old job because such a timeslot requires a more edgy brand of humor and that is something Leno has never had. The man is barely a comedian as it stands.
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May 18, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST
Jay Leno is exactly who Bill Hicks said he is. David quit his edgy persona after the Madonna interview.
by Ricardo
Conan is a comic genius, but was beaten down by the Leno fiasco and is slowly fading away. Fallon is to be ignored. Kimmel, meh. Craig is the ONLY one who knows how to conduct an entertaning interview, but his non-interview material lacks. Talk shows are DONE, a thing of the past.
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He told a lot of the story about the whole Leno-Conan earlier this week. Not a lot of love for Leno by those guys. At all.
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interviews are not important anymore in late night...it's all about who has the best skits and monologue...and the winners by a landslide are Kimmel and Fallon...Kimmel's 'Hottie Body Hump Club' and 'Handsome Men's Club' are genius...does Letterman even do skits?
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Yeah, I miss those days, too. But I also respect the fact he's aged gracefully and not tried to be something he isn't. He's an old man now. He makes old man jokes. That's fine.
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has been the name "Tonight Show", and the older (and by older, I mean retirees and nursing homes) generation. They simply kept watching after Carson left because...well...it's all they had left. Conan appealed to the younger generation - and there's nothing wrong with that. It's just that the younger generation is much less likely to be smack in front of the tv at a specific time late at night, every night. Especially when you can simply watch it later on youtube. So if it has baffled you as to how the hell Leno has a career when the guy clearly doesn't appeal to 95% of people under the age of 50...that would by why. Most of us in our teens, 20's, and 30's dont even look in his direction. but his brand of wooden, awkward humor seems more familiar to the baby boomer generation / WWII generation. The guy is anachronism in action. I love Conan, but I never did think he was a guy who would be doing the same thing into his 60's. I always figured he'd get out once he hit his 50's or started really showing signs of aging - because it would make his antics less funny and more depressing. But I'd still watch him over a shmuck like Leno even if he were still doing the string dance in his 70's. Because even that is less painful than any of Leno's monologues.
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Letterman put Leno on his NBC show MANY times during the 80's when Leno was just another struggling comedian playing the clubs. I didn't even kow who Leno was until he kept popping up on Late Night. Letterman was repayed by Jay ACCEPTING Dave's dream job (aka The Tonight Show). I think that job should have gone to Dave because of his friendship with Carson as well as his dedication to Jay. Jay is a snake and that's a fact. He knew Dave wanted The Tonight Show, he owed Dave his career in my opinion and he didnt give a shit. The "nice guy" routine is bullshit.
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kneel
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I rarely laugh when watching Letterman. But I will tell you that I'd gladly, GLADLY take even Letterman's dry humor over Leno's desperate pleas for attention. I farted last night. Still a better punchline than any of Leno's material for the last decade +. That, and at least Letterman doesn't constantly prod and poke (quite literally) his guests. I'd want to grab his chunky Italian hand and break it off if I were one of his guests.
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there is gay byrne. and then there is everyone else. he is heading towards his 80th year. and he doesnt have to work. He he has two shows on the air. the meaning of Life and For one night only... the meaning of life is where he gets to ask spiritual questions. and for one night only is where he chats with a musical guest imelda may, paul brady, bob geldof. etc. and he still broadcasts on radio. a jazz show on Lyric fm. he loves jazz and combines this with scripted anecdotes about his life and stuff. and trivial stuff about the artist in question. he is not universally loved however. he can be grumpy and a bit patronizing. he is currently prepping a one man show. which he will take on tour to small venues around the country. he still rides the harley davidson motorbike. u2 gave him a present of one on his final late late show. he remains ireland greatest living broadcaster and by some mile.
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May 18, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST
They talked about this last night. All the NBC execs that screwed Conan over are gone now.
by mistergreen
Lesson learned?
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What bits I've seen they are all fine. Imagine if your only late chat show outlet was Piers (don't check my sources, print fake photos, fat arsenal supporting scumbag,) Morgan. Imagine that and you would all he down on your knees at the alter of men who earned there t.v tan.
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The world is a very different place than when Carson was on. He used to get 15 million viewers nightly. The late night wars are irrelevant.
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It's true; I do. Just a bit more seriously, though, Jay Leno I find painful beyond my ability to bear....I *CANNOT* watch him for any length of time. Letterman will usually not be funny, but at least he doesn't make me want to scrub my brain with Brillo.
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Putting Leno on at 10 sunk the network and they've never recovered.
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You're full of (sh)it. Jay Leno's ratings are top in ALL demographics -- including the "coveted" 18-49 demographic. So, you think that it is ONLY the old people (Herc's age and up) that are "saving" Leno? Look -- I get it that some people don't like Leno. I don't think that ANY of the late night hosts are really that funny. They aren't. Some people prefer Letterman. Some people prefer Leno. And fewer people prefer Conan, Kimmel and the rest of them. They are all OLD MEN -- including 49 yr old Conan O'Brien. However, this doesn't mean that you have to MAKE UP claims about their ratings. Leno is staying afloat because quite a few people watch his show. Period. In fact, more people watch his show (on average) than Letterman + Conan combined. Is he funny? At times. Well, at times, they are all funny. However, they aren't Johnny Carson or Bob Hope. Unfortunately, some morons turn this into a perpetual Letterman v. Conan v. Leno v. Kimmel pissing contest. Who the FUCK cares what other people like anyway? It isn't going to change anyone else's opinion unless they are completely stupid. They remind me of those country hicks who argue about Ford v. Chevy or metrosexuals who argue Toyota v. Honda. For some people, one is preferred over the other. Period. If someone doesn't think that someone else has a right to their own opinion -- they are obviously an ideologue and as unreasonable to converse with as any fanatic.
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Gay Byrne Older brother was a producer on the jack Paar show. and was the first head of the Rte Committee. now called rte Authority. Gay byrne wrote to his brother for a job in the fledgling rte and soundly rejected and more than once. So gay byrne went into insurance and hated it. but his used the money is mom sent him when he was abroad and bought a two spool tape recording machine. he sent scripts and they were rejected. worked in rte in henry street but in the ad department and hated it there. with no future in ireland he went to the UK. and Granada. he crossed paths with Micheal Parkinson. And they remain friends to this day. Parky admire the fact that Byrne was a strict tee totaller. when most of the hardshaws who worked in granada were tough alcos. the fledgling rte had by now had heard great things about byrne. so rte gave him a six week summer series. 1962. and most people thought it would end after that. but it didnt and in 1963 in september on a saturday rte launched the Late late show. and show that byrne hosted for 35. rte treated its star appallingly in a financial way. paid him crap money. and refused to let him work else where. he could have been a huge star in the us. and in the uk. and it wasnt untill the 1990s and verge of calling it aday that byrne said to his new accountant to go and nail is feet to the floor. in montrose. like a lot of people byrne has been affected by the crash. and any shares in had in the bol are gone. so Gay byrne has to work.
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Dave at 11:30 and then Conan at 1 AM....fuck Leno.
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You couldn't pay me to watch Leno or Fallon. Are you kidding me lmfao
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If Joan Rivers had not gone to Fox but stayed put as Carson's permanent guest host, thereby reducing Leno's opportunity to use Carson's vacations as his apprenticeship, who would have taken over when Carson retired?
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It's embarrassing. Kimmel and Fallon seem 'small' in the roles once held by unique talent...like boys wearing their daddies over-sized suits. They fancy themselves equals to the greats that came before them. They aren't. <p> Letterman used to rule...a hundred years ago... but is now just mean-spirited, bitter and stagnant. Leno is a whore and often dips into knuckle-dragging, classless humor making me feel embarrassed for him. Plus, he's the worst interviewer in the history of the world. <p> Conan was the last great late night host imo. He is unique and the writing on his show was truly classic television (Triumph, the year 2000, starring contest etc). After Conan... it's an 800 mile drop to 'generation Y' talent who actually fancy themselves worthy of their predecessors. Pfft. Hacks and pop culture dolts who can't turn an interview worth a damn.
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Either he was still sucking on his mama's teet when Letterman TRULY rocked, or he just thinks Dave's Bristol Palin jokes are comedy gold.
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people arent funny when im sleepy
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With Tom Snyder? Used to come on after Johnny before David Letterman was put into that slot. Sometimes it felt like they were broadcasting "Tomorrow" from Mars. Snyder was a brilliant interviewer but he was also sort of crazed and would go off on some bizarre tangent at a moments notice while waving a cigarette around and barking this weird stacato laughter. Wheras Johnny Carson was smooth, urbane and sophisticated--Tom Snyder was fucking nuts. And it was GREAT! I remember a pretty bizarre interview he had with Charles Manson and as far as I know, he was the first late night host to feature Rock musicians like John Lennon, Frank Zappa, The Plasmatics and U2 on a regular basis. Except for Ferguson, everyone is basically doing the same formula now and give CBS enough time and they'll turn Craig into a clone too. I miss Snyder's car wreck mentality.
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I love the part when they both did a Jay Leno imitation at the same time. Fuck Jay Leno. Fuck Jay Leno in his stupid asshole!
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Favouritest line of the episode so far.
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That man would eat a baby if it furthered his career.
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it was a dramatization so I don't know how accurate it was but if Leno and Letterman were half the whiny cunts as portrayed in that movie, neither of them are worth anyone's time. Millionaires crying about what time slot they get to tell dry jokes and ask celebrities about their latest project in.
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I remember how I used to fool my parents that I was going to bed after The Tonight Show and stayed up watching The Tomorrow Show. Snyder was the best in getting his guests to be "open and relaxed". Thanks for bringing up those memories!
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...he can work an audience and is good with guests. Craig Fer is great and seems to really like what he does. Jimmy K is entertaining and ballsy, but still a nerdy fanboy at heart. Jimmy F is talented and fun, but tries way too hard and panders to guests a little too much. Dave is the classic standard. Jay is nothing.
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Watching Leno (sad to say I've given him several tries), you feel bad for him, in an uncomfortable way. Which is horrible, cuz he is horrible. He sinks so low you can hear the boat bottom out. Robot Nothing Host Extraordinaire.
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Hard to take any of them seriously when they're stuck shilling for whatever shitty website got a recent round of funding and is blowing it on sponsored late night skits.
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I like Dave Letterman, but I miss the younger Letterman. Nowadays, he's either too mellow or too crabby. Paul Shaffer's head's gotten way too big as well... literally. I like Jimmy Fallon's tastes in pop culture and music. Also, some of the games he plays with the guests and the audience are fun to watch. But other things he does like his "thank you notes" have gotten stale, and his announcer sidekick is an annoying douche. I used to really like Craig Ferguson. He was witty and like a breath of fresh air at first. Now, he's all about making really dumb sexual innuendos and if he doesn't get a laugh he stares at the camera and smiles until somebody in the audience finally lets out a "heh-heh" then everyone else laughs. Conan's like an enigma to me now. His style just seems too weak to hold my interest. I used to like "In the year 2000" but I just can't care anymore. And as for Leno, he can take his giant chin, squeaky voice, vehicle collection and denim wardrobe and GTFO.
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