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A Fifth life for the Star Trek TV Series'

Father Geek here with this bit that just found its way into Geek Headquarters...

Apparently, Paramount TV Chairman Kerry McCluggage has finally approved Rick Berman's and Brannon Braga's Series V premise. This comes after several months of work that had already been invested in developing an acceptable Series V premise for the studio. Much of it included the rumoured rejections of earlier versions of the now-confirmed and other premises, and focus group sessions that had tested three possible series concepts (which was vhemently denied by Berman last month or so-but confirmed by Braga this week).

This premise has a strong similarity to the one that has been in the news ever since November---> the 'Birth of the Federation' premise. However, it's got a twist that is very similar to the twists Braga puts in his episodes. The villain of the series is supposedly someone from the 29th Century, who travels back in time to prevent the forming of the Federation. The reason for the twist? It's supposed to relieve complaints that the Birth of the Federation concept is too pre-ordained to have good suspense, etc. Although how a time traveller risking changing everything is that much of a way to relieve those complaints is beyond me. I mean....it's not like the bad guy would actually win...otherwise...The Original Series, The NExt Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager are out the window...along with generations of Star Trek fans if it every happened.

According to the reports received, the studio is still looking at a Fall 2001 premiere, meaning Series V would launch directly after Voyager's departure from the small screen.

I don't know if this prequel premise will fly. Hell, I barely trust Braga with Trek history and continuity (just look at any episode of Voyager that deals with Trek's past....'nuff said) Maybe they should've just jumped ahead to the Enterprise-G or H or whatever.

Call me Griffin3

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  • April 5, 2000, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Say it isn't so...

    by not_a_jedi_yet

    I predict doom if this comes to pass. WE WANT SULU!

  • April 5, 2000, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Sloppy seconds, or fifths?

    by NOWHERE MAN

    YIKES! That premise sounds horrible. Have they truly milked this universe dry? There are so many possibilities left to explore and yet they retreat to the past. Something old(Early Federation), something new(29th C. villain), something borrowed(plot lines), and someone blows(BRAGA).

  • April 5, 2000, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Trek History - Screwed Up Again

    by RobRed1

    Can anyone explain the timeline of 7of9's life? According to Voyager, her Federaton parents were following the Borg when she was a child, but the Federation never even heard of the Borg until Q threw the Enterprise into the path of one only about what? 5 years before Voyager started? How old is 7, both physically and chronologically? It just doesn't make sense.

  • April 5, 2000, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Movie of the week...

    by Mystery_Chimp

    ...material for UPN. The plot line sounds horrible. A central foe from the all powerful 29th century. How about exploration? Hopefully, he won't make that much of an appearance. Let's focus on stories of settling colonies, discovering the Klingons. What went wrong with the first meetings with the Romulans that turned into war? What happened to cause the Federation to develop the "Prime Directive". How did the Federation talk Vulcan into joining? Why didn't the Federation nuke the annoying races like the Betazoids, Deltans, and Pig Faces? Just a thought.

  • April 5, 2000, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Future Continuity

    by Agent10111

    You know the bad guy COULD win. At least a little. Maybe some of the stuff that's already happened in present continuity is a result of some changes that were made in the past either by the bad guy or the good guy. Hmmm...

  • Are there no better ideas?! It's not nearly as bad as Star Trek: 90210 but geez. Even the Zulu idea blows.

  • April 5, 2000, 11:43 a.m. CST

    That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard of!

    by Uncapie

    What the fuck are they smoking over at Paramount?!!!

  • April 5, 2000, 11:47 a.m. CST

    "board room creativity" finally halts Trek!

    by devil goat

    They need to quit creating stories around a table, and find someone creative who can write a TV series. Is anyone with that criteria even interested in Star Trek anymore? I doubt it. Sounds like they're doing this just to keep a series going, instead of actually having a trace of inspiration or reason to do so, other than to pay their own mortgages.

  • April 5, 2000, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Trek Needs a rest.

    by 1/2aShandy

    Now, I love Trek(possible exception of Voyager, of course) but, I reckon that it's about time that the Trek franchise went boldly off our screens for a while. Give it time to re-group and come up with a decent series. And lose this touchy, feely crap that's going on. If they can't handle a little bloody nose...

  • April 5, 2000, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Holo-Deck!!!

    by Sled-Head

    The next Star Trek should be about MY CONTINUING ADVENTURES IN THE HOLO-DECK...ANY holo-deck! I assure you - male viewers of any age would LOVE what goes on!

  • April 5, 2000, 12:38 p.m. CST

    A message for the Sulu confederation.

    by wedgered2`

    The reason they did not go with a Sulu show is.... They want people to watch. Normal people. Not the small percentage of Trekkies that they already own. They have your money. They are looking for greener and cleaner pastures.

  • April 5, 2000, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Berman/Braga - take a break

    by JeanLucPicard

    The main problem with the Trek franchise, IMOHO, is not the writing, which I personally believe is often very strong on Voyager (hey - I'm entitled to my opinion!). Sure, Voyager has it's bad episodes, it's weak arcs, but I think we tend to look back too much through our rose tinted glasses at previous incarnations. There are a number of TNG episodes (and NOT just the early stuff) which, lets face it, are utter trash. However, that series is so beloved due to the many truly outstanding episodes. No, I think that the main reason that both DS9 and Voyager have suffered badly in comparison to TNG, is because the tone and feel of these two series have been more or less exactly the same as their big brother. Berman and Braga constantly talk about bringing something "completely different" to the franchise with Series V, but I seem to recall that Voyager was supposed to be "completely different" too. I feel that the shows have suffered because Berman is truly incapable of providing something sufficiently fresh in terms of either atmosphere or scenario. If you don't believe that the series are all "basically the same", consider this. A few months ago, everyone got very excited at the idea that Paramount may bring in someone like Tim Burton to helm Trek 10. Can you imagine what a shot in the arm that would be to the franchise?!?!? Imagine the places that someone like Burton, with his amazing cinematic vision, could take Trek! Contrast that idea with the similarity of TNG and VOY and the differences seem like splitting hairs. I personally feel that the vigour and vitality of earlier Trek incarnations have been lost, and unless someone with more creativity and a truly distinctive approach is given developmental control, when Series V does make it to our screens, we will all still be moaning about how it's just a pale immitation of TNG or TOS. Berman is only interested in taking the safe option and running what's left of this once-great franchise into the ground by continually recycling the same old ideas because, he figures, it's a safe way to guarantee (in the short term) that the smaller and smaller band of hardcore fans will keep watching and buying the overpriced crap which passes for merchandise. If you want to start a campaign to revitalise Trek, I say let's get some new blood at the top - before it's too late! By the way, to the guy who asked about 7of9:- it has been established that when the Hansens left the Alpha Quadrant to study the Borg, they wanted to find out if the Borg really did exist or, if they were purely the stuff of "myth and legend". So, it is conceivable that they could have first encountered the Borg several years before the episode of TNG(Q Who?) to which you refer. HTH

  • April 5, 2000, 12:52 p.m. CST

    testing, one...two

    by imhotep78

  • April 5, 2000, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Mystery_Chimp and JeanLucPicard are right.

    by imhotep78

    I want to see the birth of the Federation and Starfleet, how all that we know now, started. And I think the only way to get fresh, intriguing, and inventive stories is to put someone who is fresh, intriguing, and inventive at the helm. Shove Berman and Braga to the side or get rid of them entirely. The dust needs to be blown off this Television icon. And yes, I watch Voyager, I watched DS9 and I was and am amazed at the affecting and exciting nature of some of their episodes, however they are fewer and further between than TNG. What about the one where the Doctor creats a hologram family so he can discover further what it's like to be a real human, and ends up having to force himself to watch the death of his daughter because a real person can't just turn off the bad things and only live in the good. Damn what a good episode, it ranks with the one about the aliens that might have evolved from Earth's dinosaurs, but that culture refused to believe the truth because of social mores. That one certainly adheared to Roddenberry's way of masking current events with a thin veil of Sci-Fi. Sorry for the tirad.

  • April 5, 2000, 1:12 p.m. CST

    This is idea

    by usagibrian

    ... is somewhere out beyond dumb, even for Paramount. Bragga can't write a time travel story! There is not a single episode of his involving time travel that works and for some reason he keeps trying (and failing miserably). Apart from that problem, five years of "will the powerful figure from the future destroy the Federation" stories? Only works if the bad guy is a complete idiot otherwise how can he fail continually throughout the series. Tweak "New Frontier," hire SF writers, and do STAR TREK if you're going to do StAR TREK! PS About 7 of 9-- Borg Maturation Chamber -- accelerated physical and mental development (I think she mentioned the exact amount of time at some point)

  • April 5, 2000, 1:13 p.m. CST

    <shrug>

    by Brikar99

    If you ask me, Deep Space Nine had something really spectacular going with that war. It truly brought a huge jump in the quality of that show. It's too bad, in my opinion, that they ended that war. Maybe they could have done something with that in the new show. I know they want to do something different and new, but the Federation at war was really something that blew a lot of peoples' minds. I haven't seen anything so consistently good in Trek. Ever. A show that dipped further into the depths of what was definately a massive war (thousands of ships were destroyed, hundreds could be seen on screen in just a single episode) had the chance to be really entertaining. True, a war couldn't really last for seven years, but who says a season has to equal a year? Oh and by the way, to the person who asked in a previous posting: Seven of Nine is supposed to be in her mid- to late twenties

  • April 5, 2000, 1:22 p.m. CST

    This idea is autobiographical...

    by chrisd

    A 29th century destructive force trying to destroy the history of the Federation written by a 20th century destructive force succeeding in destroying Star Trek.

  • April 5, 2000, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Still a lot of potential in Star Trek

    by chrisd

    A lot could be done with showing Cardassia after the war and their admittance into the Federation (you know that would happen). Could still put an old Sulu remembering some Excelsior adventures. A funeral for Dr. McCoy as a tribute to DeForest Kelley, etc. Even something completely different, but time travel has been done to death in Star Trek, and never been done worse than by Braga. It's a damn shame. I miss Star Trek.

  • April 5, 2000, 2 p.m. CST

    Screw this!

    by Knight says"Ni"

    Bring on the Sulu/Excelsior series !

  • April 5, 2000, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Trek: Future's end?

    by Doretta

    I'm afraid I have to disagree with usagibrian--Bragga wrote one of my favorite TNGs ever, "Cause and Effect," which had a little something to do with time travel, though not in the grandiose tribble-ations way. The key to the new series' success will not rest simply on the shoulders of the concept, but on a combination of good writing, good characters, and most of all, an almost intangible appeal to society at large. Original Trek did not succeed in the 60s, but came of age in the mid-70s when a cold warrior with a blunted edge, enter Shatner, had a wider appeal than he could ever have had with a Viet Nam War-weary audience. The times were right in the late 80s to present a more prosperous Federation, her flagship headed by an older, wiser, balder (?) captain--such was our social, political, and economic climate. As was noted earlier, the spin-offs, DS9 and Voyager, were contemporaneous with TNG, but our society was NOT contemporaneous with TNG's audience. Hence the poorer performance, ratings-wise, of these series after the 80s. It is only meet, I say, that as we go ahead into a new century, Trek takes a step back into the past (all temporal milestones prompt a nostalgic look backward) with, importantly, an eye towards the future. Will it work? It depends on how well it connects with our expectations and desires, and this connection is impossible to predict--we can only analyze it after it happens and try to explain why. But my advice is to go to the same well the original series went to: science fiction writers. They understand not only where society is, but where it wants to go. And I would also like to add my two cents worth concerning Sulu: slagging the guy upon whose career yours was cagily erected shows real class. I wouldn't trust Sulu to command my CD remote. And what's his grudge against the Klingons, anyway?

  • April 5, 2000, 2:16 p.m. CST

    If This News is True...

    by BSGDAN

    ...Paramount will LOSE more viewers than it could ever hope to gain. This idea completely sucks! If the regular Trek fans don't want to watch the show, what hope will they ever have of luring those that aren't fans already (without resorting to another "big-titted bimbo", that is)? Paramount should have already learned that Trek fans won't settle for just anything with the TREK name on it-just look at the ratings for VOYAGER. Yes, the fans have suffered long and hard this last year by having only VOYAGER on the air. This new series will surely ruin the franchise for good. Mark my words: after the first 1/2 season has aired, Paramount will be wishing they had gone for the Sulu show. I just can't see this idea really lasting for two years, much less seven.

  • April 5, 2000, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Thar this blows!

    by Funk4America

    Bragga and Berman are gonna mess things up royally this time. I still think they should either make a base show called Star Trek, that could be set any time any place in the star trek universe, and rotate characters/ actors in and out of the storylines, or just make TV movies until they hit on a good series concept. Otherwise the smug attitude of voyager will probably prevail.

  • April 5, 2000, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Is the TV Sci-Fi/Trek wave over?

    by Captain Amerika

    PLEASE! PLEASE! Let this be wrong! The idea of a prequel show is the most boring, uninspired idea possible! But my guess is that it's the only idea that the TV execs would accept because they are so scared of taking chances, and when taken in the context of the predictable success of the Star Wars prequels over the next 4-5 years, they probably thought, in their fearful, wimpy ways, that a prequel Trek show was the safest choice. Not to jinx it, but this show will probably fail, and the Sci-Fi TV revival wave started in 1987 by Next Gen will finally wimper and die. (Think about it, at one time Trek shows and B-5 were the most popular syndicated shows on the air. Now Voyager is the only Trek show left, and it's barely limping along with low budget scripts and low ratings.) And we'll be in for a ten year Trek dirth like the original Trekkies suffered from 1969 to 1979. (The one comfort is that, like the original Trekkies had SPACE: 1999, at least we have FARSCAPE.) I wish they had chosen a show idea that was set in the 25th century, now that would've kicked ass!

  • April 5, 2000, 2:22 p.m. CST

    This is going to suck!

    by FeralHamster

    Yeesh, the "birth of the federation" idea was the one i was rooting for. Leave it to Braga to throw the the proverbial monkey wrench into a great premis.

  • April 5, 2000, 2:26 p.m. CST

    DAMMIT JIM

    by LANDO

    Are they out of their Vulcan minds!?! That Vulcan Blows.

  • April 5, 2000, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Future knowledge a non-issue

    by Stark

    The notion that a pre-ordained outcome makes a show boring is a fallacy. In the first place, deep down we all know that the good guys are going to win anyway. Suspension of disbelief allows us to disregard that, and that's fine. But moreover, I think that is just an apologist's excuse for lousy writing. Take (and I'll probably get lynched by both sides for mentioning this in a ST forurm) Babylon 5. Stracsynski foreshadowed much of what would eventually occur in the early stages of the series, even showing the eventual deaths of two major characters in the very first couple of episodes. It's not the destination, it's the journey. Give the characters some depth, make the immediate plots interesting, and it won't matter to the viewers one bit what they know is going to happen two hundred years down the road.

  • April 5, 2000, 2:40 p.m. CST

    How can this **** be any good?

    by Roborob

    Before Star Trek (in trek time), there was little contact with the Klingons, No sightings of the Romulens, No contact with the Ferengi, the Borg, The Cardassiens, the Bajorens or any one else worrth a dam. So I ask; How the hell ai this CRAP going to attract fans if all the good villians are not going to be in it more than a couple of episodes?

  • April 5, 2000, 2:51 p.m. CST

    R.I.P. ST

    by dadzo

    Can we please move on? This is sooo tired ... ST has been done to death ... Paramount's made crap loads of money from it ... this franchise deserves a rest before it plunges completely over the edge into derivative hack crap if it hasn't already. Spend your freakin time and money somewhere else you geeks!!!

  • April 5, 2000, 2:58 p.m. CST

    You know, the Klingons weren't on the original "Star Trek" much.

    by DeathByTalkback

    The Romulans appeared, oh, three times. The Klingons perhaps a dozen, and only three or four of these were major appearences. We didn't even see their ships until the last year of the series. Somehow The Original Series became the foundation of a huge Franchise anyway. And TNG became a huge hit long before it introduced the Cardassians and Bajorans -- didn't use them much after they were introduced, either. And so on and so on... So I imagine that this new series can get along just fine making up new villains, exploring space -- and anyway, the 29th century villain guy described in the premise may alter time so that the humans and Vulcans meet the Klingons sooner than in the previous Trek history, and juice up the Romulan War a bit as well. All of Trek history may be changed bit by bit by this series, until TPTB are ready to launch the 6th Star Trek series -- one taking place in the era of the original Star Trek series but based on the Berman - Braga continuity instead of TOS>

  • April 5, 2000, 2:59 p.m. CST

    STrek new series

    by PrincessofProg

    Paramount says will start in January 2001 not Fall 2001... where did you get this info?

  • April 5, 2000, 3 p.m. CST

    Series 5 sounds familiar

    by Agamemnon

    Reading the originial news item and the talk backs I have one question: Doesn't this proposed series sound just like the main story for Babylon 5?

  • April 5, 2000, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Sorry kids...

    by CaptainRansom

    ...but these premises sound promising to me. The "Relativity" episode really kicked my ass so hard that it still hurts... Time travel has always been ST's favorite theme. I am damn sure that the new series have a huge potential in story telling. Furthermore, stuff like the Klingon/Federation first contact, the settlement of the Prime Directive, even some of the early voyages ARE likely to happen. The only negative remark I have regarding Braga is the absence of Kahn's departure (supposed to occur in 1996) in "Future's End". Even though there is a DY-100 model in Rain Robinson's office... Anyway, (call me an optimist, or a freak, a moron or whatever coz I don't care) but I still have high hopes in Star Trek. Live Fast and Prosper. "Unimatrix Zero" is gonna kick ass!! Ransom out.

  • April 5, 2000, 3:06 p.m. CST

    What drugs are you on, Agamemnon?

    by DeathByTalkback

    How other than by extraordinary contortions of logic can you get this premise to match the "main story on Babylon 5"? Or did I just get caught in one of the most surgically precise trolls in Talkback history?

  • April 5, 2000, 3:09 p.m. CST

    THE DEATH OF STAR TREK - PLEASE!

    by Weasel

    Please, somebody take this franchise out to an empty field and, mercifully, put a bullet through its head! Then, in a decade or so, resurrect it with new management and a new direction. Seriously, guys, if I have to hear one more line of technobabble about "warp core breaches" or "redirecting the photon plasma stream into the interstellar yin-yang" I'm going to be very, very ill. If I see one more character whose "alien-ness" is defined by yet another nosepiece or serrated forehead I'm going to write the Trek folks a very nasty letter chiding them for their complete and utter lack of imagination! Do these folks at Paramount have any idea how terribly sick we are of this apparently never-ending stream of garbage that they refer to so lovingly as "The Franchise." Enough already. I'm a big fan of Trek, always have been, but a moratorium is a must. The Star Trek universe is one of the most detailed fictional universes ever created; indeed, it's becoming so layered that, in another thirty years or so, you could damn near live in it! Star Trek will never die simply because there is so much detail to it, so many directions, past and future, that you can explore, but please let it cool down for a bit. Between Classic Trek, TNG, DS9, and Voyager, the Paramount hierarchy has more than enough re-runs to last for ten years. These, greedy, talentless suits are apparently unable to understand that there is a saturation limit involved here - and, yes, we have reached more than reached it. Even after 34 years Star Trek is still bursting with potential that's almost infinite, but that potential can only be realized with imaginative writers and producers who actually know what taking the series in a "different direction" really means (and the intestinal fortitude to go ahead and do so). Death to Star Trek! Long live Star Trek!

  • April 5, 2000, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Re: Weasel rant

    by dadzo

    Keep it shorter buddy - you're dead on but waaaaay too much volume.

  • April 5, 2000, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Perhaps I take this too seriously but...

    by kojiro

    Shit! Everytime people talk about this crap someone always starts rambling on about 'storytelling potential'. ANYTHING has storytelling potential if there is good writing and producing. Unfortunately Berman and Braga are incapable of one, and unable to find the other. Everything they do sucks monstrous cock!

  • April 5, 2000, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Trek V - The Final Frontier

    by FilmGuru2001

    You ever notice how the number five is destined to tarnish the Star Trek franchise? First ST:V the movie, now ST:V the series that spells DOOM. If they want to recreate the series, bring a little life into it, it's time to move forward... not back. Give us a reason to boldly go, not to discuss what might have been. Time travel (one of my favorite themes) is not a Star Trek series idea. It works only marginally well for other series (Time Trax, Voyagers!, Time Tunnel... Dr. Who being the exception). How can they hope to do what no one else has done. If this is the best Paramount can do, I say let the series die.

  • April 5, 2000, 3:39 p.m. CST

    The REAL proposal for Trek Series V.

    by Carl Hungus

    Captain Sparks McDoogle, a penguin from Antartica who rose through the ranks of Star Fleet through sleeping with the commanders, sets his love to STUN. BWA-HA-HA-HA-hahaha. . .ha. Guys?

  • April 5, 2000, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Good grief... that about says it all.

    by keeper

    Really, this sounds terrible. There's no explaining it any other way. It just sounds automatically bad. Even Star Trek: Above and Beyond (concept # 3 from way back) is starting sound good after this. Oh, and I think Agamemnon was trying to compare the 29th century guy going back in time to a crucial point in the past to Sinclair going back with B4 to become Valen. It's superficially similar but just that and nothing more.

  • April 5, 2000, 3:45 p.m. CST

    HUNGUS RULES

    by dadzo

    You kill me. That was gold baby ... NOT.

  • April 5, 2000, 3:46 p.m. CST

    reminds me of...

    by Twisted Mentat

    last nights family guy....its a board meeting at a certian network where someone suggests something new and origonal, and is then brutaly beaten by the netword head...i feel thats whats happening to trek. I love trek, i loves TOS, TNG and DS9, and there have been some (like...abour 3) voyager eps i've actually enjoyed, but the whole time travel thing is just...arrgh! it was ok as a plot device from time to time, but as the basic plot, arrgh! what the hell is with these people. Maybe they'll realize that the whole time travel thing really pisses people off, and end that story line after the first season. Arrrgh...i can forgive lucas for JarJar, but dammit...if this is as bad as it sounds, it will be unforgiveable. Maybe trek can continue on with well done pc games, rather than a half-assed tv series.

  • April 5, 2000, 3:57 p.m. CST

    RIP Star Trek

    by theTemplar

    The concept itself is sound. Say you were to make a weakly drama about the Knights Templar. You already know how the story ends (de Molay and the other leaders burnt at the stake, the order disbanded) but it is an interesting show depending how you get to that point. Same goes with ST if they actually take the pains to match the continuity to what serious fans expect. The reason I think this will fail is the whole time travel angle. It blows. Seriously. Sounds like an excuse NOT to put a continuity together (sure Mr. or Ms. Geek, it was originally that way, but the time traveller changed it). They need to give the show a rest for a few years - long enough for everyone to forget Voyager

  • April 5, 2000, 4:04 p.m. CST

    29th Century

    by theTemplar

    What the hell is in the 29th century anyway? I've got the villian for you - Model X! In the 29th century, androids are the next stage in evolution. Model X is none other than Data! After 30 years in star fleet as a lt.cmdr., he throws off the oppresive chains of a society which proclaims universal freedom but is selective when it comes to those machines who are inferior. Data shouts - "Data is their name, not mine. My name has been erased by their policies - from this point on I will be Model X since my heritage is unknown!" He says "This federation was built on our labor, but with no recognition" and when the machines are finally free, their lack of restrictions allow them to compete so successfully against the "flesh devils" that the flesh devils are now all gone. Now Data, pardon me, Model X has gone back in time to assure an earlier machine victory in the interests of justice. Kirk shall not order the computer, the computer shall order Kirk! So the series is essentially on of the slave overthrowing the master. I like it, Paramount should hire me!

  • April 5, 2000, 4:07 p.m. CST

    hasn't this been done before?

    by icky

    Does anyone remember the show where a young bookwarmish kid and some pretty-boy (who later died in an on-set accident similar to Brandon Lee's) had to go through time to correct mistakes. That show started off great, but then they introduced some evil time-traveller, who wanted to change time for the worse, and they had to hunt him down. Show went down-hill from there. Plus, didn't they also do something like that in the second Battlestar Galactica series where they found earth?

  • April 5, 2000, 4:08 p.m. CST

    How to resurrect Star Trek

    by Kardinal

    Base it on the "New Frontier" concept that Peter David is writing, and let Peter David have creative control of it. PAD (Peter A. David) will bring truly new ideas to the series, and already has, and since NF takes place in generally uncharted areas. The Captain is a maverick, as all Captains should be, but there's enough of the old Starfleet, Romulans, Klingons, and Tholians (they're near Tholian space, I think) to keep things interesting. It sure as anything can't hurt!

  • April 5, 2000, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Star Trek needs to fucking die already!

    by Wolvie6

    I once thought Star Trek was great. It just plain sucks now. One word- OVERKILL!!! Sick of aliens that all speak english and the only difference between them and us is a bumpy nose or forehead. Die already Star Trek!! The last good Trek anything was The Next Generation. Sorry, the movies suck now and who cares about Voyager? There is enough reruns to last a lifetime. Has anyone seen EVERY episode? Probably some poor smelly Trek geek with no life and no girlfriend. Good riddence already.

  • April 5, 2000, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Rick Berman should not be in charge!

    by LOS GORDOS

    All he's succeeded in doing over the past several years is sap a series so ripe with possibilities of every ounce of vitality it once had by turning it into a soap opera in space. Every episode of TOS stood alone as fantastic piece of sci-fi, now if you tune in you don't know what the hell is going on unless you've seen every episode of the season. Berman is pissing all over the concepts that made Trek great in the first place -- exploration, adventure and discovery.

  • April 5, 2000, 4:36 p.m. CST

    SILENCE YOU PEONS! This concept has potential!

    by Tall_Boy

    just use your imaginations and think about it: you could throw around all those old school Federation things, even have the focus being on a 22nd century Enterprise captained by Robert April. Lets face it the 24 century concept is Dead Dead DEAD and just doing STAR TREK: THE GENERATION AFTER THE NEXT ONE would have been tired. That's not to say, the distant ST future couldn't have some cool shit in it, but it wouldn't need to hold a series. A prequel concept is the way to go. That would not only bring the series back to its roots, but you'd have the idea of a 22nd century crew trying to ovecome a 29th century technoloy. I was thinking maybe the Federation sends 29th century people back to stop the baddie, but both get stuck there so the 29th century Feds hook up with the 22nd century Enterprise (making a deal with April to keep it hush-hush) and its off to the series we go. You could play with a bunch of things, like Time Traveller culture shock (ex. "I'd like you to meet my 2 year old son, James!" *29th Century travelers look at kid in awe*), or how the 29th century people would deal with 22nd century problems (how are they supposed to look at the Klingons? Or Rommies?) There's even the possiblity for some trippy time-bending. Hell, they could even end up in the post-war TNG era. It wouldn't have to be limited to the pre-TOS era (even though that is ripe for potential) It would be a mix of both ideas, a sequel and a prequel idea. And the concept of how the heck is a 22nd century supposed to beat 29th century technology? Well that's where ingenuity, know-how and being the good guy comes in. Like I said before, there would probably be a 29th century bunch helping them, sort of leveling the playing field, but back to the main point. There's a little thing that we've seen time and time again throughout our own history of guerlia warfare where a significantly less technologically advanced society kicks the snot out of a different one. The war in Afganistan with the USSR had Muslim rebels beating the Soviet's teeth in with WWI muskets. The war in Vietnam use Guerilia warfare most effectively and devistatingly. Hell, even the Ewoks beat the mighty Empire with trees and rocks! And talking about Trek, I would assume that after the pilot episode, the 29th Century baddie would probably loose a signifcant chunk of his superior technology. He'd still have most of the upper hand, but he'd be "battered but not unbowed". The point is: if our 29th century baddie is SUCH a main threat with all of his futuristic gizmos and do-das, our 22nd Century guys have to overcome them using thier ingeniuty and having the force or RIGHT and the noble "Birth of the Federation" on thier side. That's what makes for interesting drama, the diametically opposed opposites. (And to be fair, I doubt it would be "oh no, the 29th century bad-guy is attacking us again! arrrggghhh!!" that would waste the potential of Birth of the Federation premise. It would also explore conflicts with early Klingons or early Rommulans. The future baddie would probably be hovering in the background, like a constant threat and whe he actually does show up, that's when our interpid crew buckles down and has to use thier wits) So stop bitching about it you over-caffinated twelve year olds and open your minds to the potential. Like Q said in All Good Things. . . "See you, out there!"

  • April 5, 2000, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Icky's question

    by Doretta

    Wasn't the name of that show, "Now, Voyager"? Or something about a Voyager anyhow. And it was Jon-Eric Hexum who shot himself in the head with a blank. I remember his name because a friend of mine had a poster on her wall. We were stupid then.

  • April 5, 2000, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Hey Tall_Boy

    by theTemplar

    Now how are a bunch of 22nd century guys going to outwit Model X (see my above post)?

  • THEY CAN'T BE THIS DUMB! This is the absolute stupidest, worst, most unoriginal...oh wait, Brain-less Braga is doing this? Oh. Well then strike the apocolips above, as it is sure to happen. You'd think that they would just shut the hell up and listen to what we want. We fans are the only reason they HAVE JOBS! They think we won't NOT WATCH this shit if they make it? HO HO, we were tricked into addiction to Voyager, but this crap we shall not watch. Fuckers all of them!

  • April 5, 2000, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Quantum trek

    by SenatorDave

    Anybody remember Quantum Leap? That was a great show, on occasion, but if you watched too many of them- you got so sick of it. I have a bad feeling that this star trek V series is going to be like that. I like the idea, of going back... because it takes away the prime directive, and all those grandose moral impediments the writers have to work around. Couple notes: I think the prime directive was established after (tos) they found that world who's society was based off a mobster book and a tricorder left by a previous ship. Didn't McCoy have something to do with that... Remember the DS9 eppisode where Captain Sisco(sp) ended up back in time, and effected the F. M. Bell inccodent? That was a great eppisode. Quantum leapish, but compelling. They never did enough with the Gamma Quadrant. No exploring... just war. I think they shoud do the New Frontier idea (even having never read the books) just because the writer would be a fresh creative force.

  • April 5, 2000, 6:40 p.m. CST

    its for the best. I say MAKE this show.

    by Blok Narpin

    This show should be made, and the quicker the better. Why? Cause this premise SUCKS so bad that the show can't possibly make it into a second season. Even the die hard trek fans who tape evry episode of Voyager will hate this and it WILL failIt will be the BEST thing that could happen to Star Trek. It'll be an even bigger failure then the CLassic series was in it's day (only three seasons, and at the bottom of the ratings EVERY YEAR. Wasnt untill reruns that THAT show became a hit). This shows complete failure will FORCE Paramount to quit making STar Trek for a good while. WHen it DOES come back eventually it will probobly be better then ever because enough time will have passed for them to puit some reral thought and creativity into it again.

  • April 5, 2000, 6:47 p.m. CST

    R.I.P. TREK

    by U2GuyJL

    The new show will last 2 seasons at the most! TREK 10 better be absolutely incredible to keep this franchise alive. Insurection was worse than Trek 5, in fact it was worse than Mission to Mars!!!....well maybe it wasnt THAT bad.

  • April 5, 2000, 7:47 p.m. CST

    re: STAR TREK IS VAPOR

    by Radiohead

    Good points, as usual. The social, political, cultural, and economic ramifications of a technology capable of transforming energy into matter (and vice versa) are ripe for some solid, hardcore science fiction stories. *** Within the context of the Star Trek universe, cybernation and automation have essentially liberated humanity from the drudgery and wage slavery that have plagued us for ... What? ... 99.9% of our history, and created a world where people can do art for art's sake, science for science's sake, exploration for exploration's sake (as opposed to conquest's sake), etc., and all these company hacks at Star Dreck want to do is the same tired, holodeck stories -- or resurrect the once-interesting-but-now-overused Borg? Vapor indeed. *** Granted Star Trek always was and probably always will be space opera first, science fiction second, and I have no problem with that as long as there's an ATTEMPT at mixing the latter with the former. I prefer that characters drive stories, not the reverse, but it has gotten extemely difficult for me to give a good shit about Trek characters as they have become progressively shallow, bland, and annoying over the years -- and ironically enough, the non-human characters seem the most human and down-to-earth to me. I stopped watching ST:VOY a couple of years ago, and didn't see ST:Insurrection until it was free. I'm tired of this boring and bland show, and I couldn't care less what the dummies at Paramount do with the franchise. *** Radiohead tuning out.

  • April 5, 2000, 8:06 p.m. CST

    They're going the wrong way!

    by jefcon4

    A new series is not the answer. Continuing TNG movies is not the answer. We have a virtual cornucopia of Trek lore to draw upon-so made for TV movies or mini-series' is the way to go. You want a 23rd century story? Dig the old movie uniforms out make it. We could go really retro and have a story a-la TOS featuring one of the old Enterprise's sister ships. We could revisit our friends on Deep Space Nine. The potential is great. A lot of the actors from the various series need to eat so we could bring some of them back, mix-and-match, and in short enough bursts that we don't get sick of them again. The series premise sounds like a really good idea, FOR AN EPISODE! If there is to be another series don't limit it to such a high concept. We need a new ship, a new captain, and actual exploration with a smaller supporting cast.

  • April 5, 2000, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Hey Doretta!!!!

    by jefcon4

    Now Voyager is an old Bette Davis movie (1942). The name of the Jon-Eric Hexum series was indeed....VOYAGERS!!! I remember it very clearly because Late Night with David Letterman did an Afterschool Special parody called "They Took my Show Away" Which dealt with a kid's trauma of having his favourite show, "Voyagers", cancelled by NBC. I also have it in my David Letterman book and you can see it tomorrow.

  • April 5, 2000, 9:56 p.m. CST

    braga cannot write time travel!

    by zooty

    ...lord but that doesn't stop him from trying again and again and again. maybe the retro-button theme would be more appealing if the 29th century "villain" was a real writer who came back to the 20th century to make sure braga and berman's lives were re-directed so they ended up working at a fast food restaraunt, where they could do less harm. i know...we could get harlan ellison to play the guy from the future! now that, i'd watch.

  • April 5, 2000, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Time Travel and Braga

    by Abaddon9

    You guys are forgeting one important thing: Braga HATES TOS. This series will give him free liscence to totally rewrite Trek history. Never mind all those continutity contradiction, we will fix it with a time travel story. Speaking of glaring continuty contradictions, in the episode "children of the Borg" or the episode after that, 7 of 9 stated that she was taken by the Borg 15 years ago, which predates any NG episode! So forget the explanations of the maturation chambers. Braga and his ilk do not care about what has happened before, even if they did it. Thinking we have short attention spans, they don't care. This series will just be another attempt to rewrite continuty. However, we only know a small part of the premise. So lets wait until we hear more, before we pass final judgement.

  • April 5, 2000, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Familure much?

    by Bob_Lydecker

    Is it me or does this sound like the basic plot of Star Trek: First Contact? A mysterious villian from the future time travels to the past to destroy the Federation before it can even begin. Hmmmm . . . . When are Berman/Braga (the same guy if you ask me) going to get it? We don't like what they're giving us. I say we keep asking for a Sulu series and that Paramount does that and nothing else for a while. Can you imagine a Sulu show produced by Nimoy and Nick Meyer? It would rock! Anyway, Trek needs a break to recover from Berman sucking it dry and replacing the blood with water.

  • April 5, 2000, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Needs of the many outway the needs of the few

    by Xcalibur

    Gene Roddenberry was a genius. J. Michael Strezensky(I know I spelled that wrong) was a genius. Rick Berman isn't worthy to lick their boots. He is the Joel Shumaker of Trek. I remember a time when trek meant something. Now, it has been corrupted. Roddenberry must be rolling in his grave (the one Berman is dancing all over). The only show with Roddenberries message is Earth: Final Conflict. I think euthanasia is the answer. As much as I love Trek, I think we need to pull the plug.

  • April 6, 2000, 3:09 a.m. CST

    Trek aplogists & the demise of objectivity

    by Capt. Empathy

    Trek is dead, everyone knows it. But what's even more pathetic than watching Berman & Braga destroy the franchise is watching the reaction of all the sad Trek zombies who have begun posting all over the Trek web sites desperately trying to convince everyone that they should give the new series a chance. These people just can't fathom a life without Trek, no matter how shitty the product that B&B shovels out. These poor souls make the geeks who come up with one tortured rationalization after another in a desperate, pathetic attempt to convince themselves that Phantom Menace was a good movie seem downright reasonable.

  • April 6, 2000, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Dammit, they picked the right premise, but...

    by Dave_F

    ...why add the shitty time-travel angle to the mix? A ways up, a Talkbacker name of Stark correctly pointed out that knowing the general history of Trek won't take away one whit from the drama...if it's well-written. Time-travelling villain, bah. Still, I say the prequel concept has potential, just because the setting will be the rough-and-tumble early days of the Federation, closer (I assume) to Kirk's two-fisted adventures than the tea-and-crumpets boredom of all the Next Gen series. Gimme first contact stories with classic Trek aliens (Gorn, Tellarites, Orion pirates, Andorians, etc.) Show us standard Trek technology (phasers, warp drives, transporters) when it was still dangerous, still in development. Most importantly, give us some good drama with the same ballsiness of the original Trek. Tight melodramatic dialogue, memorable characters who argue with each other, and some larger-than-life music to set the stage for it all! Wouldn't mind seeing classic Trek ships re-envisioned through modern F/X either, but that's just cool bonus stuff. Yeah, that recurring villain idea sounds like a bomb, but I still hold that if any new Trek was to happen, the prequel concept is the strongest because it might, just might, take Trek back to its roots. If the Trek series has to die, though, I won't shed any tears. It's been boring since the dawn of Next Gen - I've just always held out some hope for a return to the Kirk tradition...

  • April 6, 2000, 4:12 a.m. CST

    so the question is.....

    by jccalhoun

    If they go ahead with this series will they show the old school Klingons or the new fangles ones with the stuff on their forehead? And has there ever been an explanation for that besides the Trib-ulation ds9 ep where Worf says they don't discuss it with outsiders?

  • April 6, 2000, 6:37 a.m. CST

    My 2 Cents........

    by RightWing Dude

    Where is it written in stone that there has to be a "Star Trek" television series at any given point in time? I have been a "Trekkie" for most of my life, watched "TNG" and "DS9" all the way from their inceptions until their series finales, own all 79 episodes of "TOS" and have all of the films, most of them on DVD. I gave "Voyager" a shot but after being unable to bear it anymore, I gave up on it 2 years ago. How do I feel about a fifth series? Well, I always considered myself a loyal fan but quite frankly, I'm sick of "Trek", as I'm sure most of you are. This franchise SORELY needs a breather. I'll give this new show a chance, but minus Ronald D. Moore or Ira Steven-Behr, I don't think this show is going to be any better than "Voyager" has been. I agree with what someone else wrote on here: After 13 years, Paramount should concentrate on making "Trek" films once every 2 or 3 years instead of having it every week on TV. Having less (and better quality)"Trek" would saturate the fans appetite for more. Why don't Paramount and Berman get it???? As far as I'm concerned, the franchise is on a path to self-destruction. Only the hard-core fans (as seen in the "Trekkies" movie) are staying loyal, while interest in it has waned considerably. Life is just too short to spend an hour or more each week of your life watching "Star Trek", when there are other things out there in life to occupy yourself with. To illustrate how hollow the franchise has become, let me tell what happens in "Voyager"'s season finale: Janeway becomes the new Borg queen, while Tuvok, and another crew member are assimilated. Janeway and Seven of Nine are supposed to kiss (this is on the Trektoday site). Haven't we seen this storyline before on another "trek" incarnation 10 years ago?

  • April 6, 2000, 6:50 a.m. CST

    Re. The Templar

    by Celtican

    Have you never heard of the Terminator buddy?

  • April 6, 2000, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Continuity and other Problems

    by Sam Bronkowitz

    As a previously loyal trekker, I have to say that Voyager turned me off completely. The writing is just BAD. Bringing in Seven of Nine was a thinly veiled ploy to grab T & A ratings, so I just stopped watching after it got too painful. The franchise is finished. Let's face it. It was beautiful while it lasted, but Paramount has messed up Trek from day one. In the sixties, they wouldn't support it, and now that's it's become their cash cow, they're milking it for all that it's worth. Part of the genius of Star Trek has always been it's ability to craft a great story. Now we're seeing recycled ideas because nobody at the top cares about quality anymore. Let's put Voyager to rest, shelve the TV series for three years, make a movie or two in the interim, and then take things from there. I shudder to think where this new series is headed. At least they canned the Starfleet Academy idea. We don't need "Dawson's Trek."

  • April 6, 2000, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Bragga CAN write Time Travel!

    by Tall_Boy

    Remember "Cause and Effect"? That had to be one of the most kickass time travel plots they ever did. C'mon, seeing the Enterprise blow up again and again and again was just too freakin' cool!

  • April 6, 2000, 11:18 a.m. CST

    The Premise of the new series.

    by Radiohead

    This point has been made by others time and again but I think it is worth repeating: the premise doesn't have to be revolutionary or a reinvention of the dramatic television formula; one of my favorite shows on t.v. right now is GOODvsEVIL on the sci-fi channel and it's the most derivative thing out there. I like it because despite its "borrowings" from other pop-cult sources, it works for me because of style and execution. The creators of the show seem to have a vision and sensibility, they seem to actually care about what they're doing and it shows. There's also a willingness to play around with conventions and have fun. TOS wasn't the most mindboggling, original premise for a show, yet it worked narratively despite its flaws. *** As a long-time fan of Trek it seems as if the wanderlust that Kirk and Co. had hasn't been bequeathed to DS9 or VOY (TNG had it to a certain degree). I just can't relate to people who are such stiffs and squares. What Star Trek needs is to loosen up a bit and create characters who aren't so goddamned inoffensive and insipid. The most popular characters seem to be the ones who ARE HUMAN, not species-wise but behavior-wise. The only two people worth watching on VOY, IMHO, are 7of9 and the Doctor -- the rest are truly awful (although occasionally an episode comes along to show us their potential). Two intriguing characters simply can't carry an ensemble show in my estimation. *** I like Star Trek, I like the simple ideas it has always espoused (people of different cultures working together peacefully, helping others, etc.), but I'm disappointed that the people running the show seem to be so blase about what they're doing; for them it's just a job, for others its so much more. *** VOY had such promise and potential (as did every Star Trek show) and it chose to do the same old same old, it chose the safe path, as a number of creative people who left the show have said. *** I'd like for the creative people to tap into the full potential of the franchise at long last and explore politics and economics more, how their technology has made possible such a nice little utopia. I also want aliens who actually look like aliens! *** Radiohead tuning out.

  • April 6, 2000, 12:31 p.m. CST

    NO NO NO NO!

    by CaptainBitchway

    This premise is HORRIBLE!!! Who wants to sit down every week to see if this villian is going to succeed in destroying Trek history?? How many ways can he do it? And how many ways can he fail? It'll get tired after like ONE EPISODE! It's a fine premise for a single episode or say ... a movie! Hello?? Did Braga SEE First Contact? Braga should really stick to the one-shot deals cause he's good at it (All Good Things... Scorpion). But when it comes to creating a continuing series, he needs to let someone else do it. I just hope the people at Paramount comes to their senses and keep this guy as far away from this series as possible or Star Trek is as good as dead.

  • April 6, 2000, 2:07 p.m. CST

    STAR TREK V:Federation?

    by JCALVAREZ

    I think the idea is rather interesting...a threat to the Federation, and the history of the future, but didn't we already go there with FIRST CONTACT? STAR TREK has always been about exploration: of alien civilations and the human spirit...Don't relent on the possibility of STARFLEET ACADEMY. I think, by far, it possesses the greatest potential for success and creativity. And can go far longer than any of the other spin-off series: cadets, afterall, do graduate, or get expelled. How many seasons can a show about the conception of the Federation go? After a while, will the audience even care? The idea is interesting, for sure...but will it be STAR TREK?

  • April 6, 2000, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Paramount and crack

    by gullahgeechee

    They must be on the pipe to chose that one as the new jewel in the franchise. I'm not interested in a retro show with a 29th Century baddie. I love Sulu, but puh-leese. Now a new Star Trek show based on Section 31 would be highly watchable.

  • April 6, 2000, 3:12 p.m. CST

    New Series

    by ChrisV

    What is goin on!? The men at paramount shouldnt be fussing over what new to make, only what they can expand on!! DS9 man. thats where im goin! They could expand on Sisko and the rest, I mean siskos last words were "the prophets have a lot to teach me......" man they could expand that wicked. Go back to Kronos and check up on Martok and Worf. What happens to Jake. ODO as well! God i do miss DS9....if i had one wish, itd be for them to make me a new series of DS9, or just a catch up episode, few years later on(in their time line!!) How about Star Fleet Academy, go to earth and follow a group of cadets???(no suspense in that though) If that happened them we could have Colm Meany( Miles O'Brien), the first ever actor to span 3 series! Just an idea BRING BACK DS9 Thanks Chris

  • April 6, 2000, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Hello Mini-Skirts!

    by The Seeker

    Well, I like everyone else thinks this new Birth of the Federation idea is ill conceived. It was probably approved to increase sales of the BOTF computer game. The one positive thing that I can see coming out if it, is that just maybe the early Federation crew won't have to wear those god-awful spandex uniforms, and get back to what made Star Trek great in the first place: Bimbo female aliens and hot chicks wearing very short mini skirts!

  • April 6, 2000, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Wake up, people!

    by Gordon Shumway

    Just because the basic plot outline contains a villain from the future doesn't mean that will be the focus of every episode! None of the shows has had a villain main character. I guess Q was the "villain" of TNG, and Gul Dukat was the "villain" on DS9, but both shows had a wealth of other characters to use. This 29th century guy would probably only show up in season finales and sweeps stunts. Danger, drama, and exploration are inherent to a show set in this time. I also hope a show like this gets a lot more grandiose. I hope they don't have every episode on the same ship that happens to be setting up every event that we know from the other shows, but rather show us what's going on on Earth- how are the people rebuilding after WW3? Are there religious fanatics reacting to aliens and space travel? What about racism (specism?)? Picard said in FC that it would be a hard struggle at first, I'd like to see it.

  • April 6, 2000, 7:31 p.m. CST

    CAPTAIN SULU and the EXCELSIOR!!

    by HOT FISH

    For god's sake, George Takei wants to do it, the fans would love it, and it's not just another Enterprise. The Klingon conflict would still be there, and other classic characters could make cameos, which would allow for some really cool episodes. At the very least they could do it as a mini-series until they could find a concept that everyone wanted to greenlight. Captain Sulu is a cool character, and the Excelsior is a cool ship. Classic Trek based episodes always do well and please the fans, so imagine an entire show based around classic Trek. Quit talking about other ideas and just do the Sulu series. IT WILL WORK!

  • April 6, 2000, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Note to ChrisV

    by Bob_Lydecker

    You wrote that Colm Meany would be the first ever actor to span three Trek series. That's not true actually. Majel Barret has acted in some capacity in all of Trek's incarnations, TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, TAS and the films. Also, Jonathan Frakes has appeared on TNG, DS9 and VOY, as has Armin Shimmerman, who has appeared as Quark on all three spin offs. Maybe he could play Quark in this Birth Of The Federation show too since it's time travel and all. I wouldn't put it past Braga. EXCELSIOR ALL THE WAY, BABY!!!

  • April 6, 2000, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Star Trek: Mission for Money

    by Wrangler

    Well, you know why their doing a 5th season, regardless that concept of startrek is tired and dead. They want MORE money. Brandon could re-write star trek itself if they DO go with this Pre-TOS series. No enterprise, new crews, new past, new future. new concepts to explore. You can go so far into the future. It gets too predictable, specially when the owners don't want you monkeying around with format too much. I don't like this concept, but what can you do. They DON'T listen to the fans.

  • April 6, 2000, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Give me (and Star Trek) a break

    by SteveTech

    I know this echoes a lot of what people have been saying here on talk back. I'm a big fan of Star Trek like many of you, but it is time for a break. Starting a new show right after Voyager ends is a mistake. I think we're going to see all time low ratings. But most of all it's time for someone else to take over the helm of Star Trek. I'm tired of bad episodes of ST:V. I'm tired of bad ST:Movies. It's not that Paramount is beating a dead horse - there's some life there yet - but the three or four premises for the new series were/are crap. Do I have an Idea, nope. All I know is that I think it's time for a break. Shows like Farscape and Babylon 5 are much more interesting SciFi. My opinion only. Over all I would like to see Star Trek survive, but not the way it's going now...

  • April 7, 2000, 12:47 a.m. CST

    I'm last!

    by theTemplar

    Yeah, Trek is pretty tired. I could shit in a bag and it would equal the quality of Voyager. But I don't think the idea for the show is bad. Only the time travel (look, TV SciFi rarely does time travel well. Trek sucks at it. B5 was ok but not great. I think Outer Limits has succeeded on occasion. Come to think of it, many movies don't do it well . . .). Pick it up from FC, set a limited number of seasons, and have each season cover a different era and focus on different characters. Kind of like Asimov's Foundation. But please wait five years or so.

  • April 7, 2000, 1:58 a.m. CST

    sorry, templar, I am. . .

    by photon_wordsmith

    What was that exchange between Kirk and Spock at the start of Star Trek VI? Spock: Jim, they're dying. Kirk: Let them die! Folks, are they talking about the Klingons here? or the entire Star Trek franchise? Sure seems like the latter, here. A time traveller coming back from the 29th century to the time of the birth of the Federation? I ask the question: IS THIS THE BEST THEY CAN COME UP WITH? Star Trek is dead. It's time has past. I consider this a great sadness. I loved the original series. I adored the movies. I practically fucking worshiped the entire Next Generation series! I was shocked by Generations (that it didn't go as well as it could have) I cheered at First Contact. I wept openly at Insurrection (how could they have done this badly?) DS9 died a sad and lonely death because it tried to be Babylon 5 in later seasons. Voyager is slowly dying because its tried every gimmick to bring the viewers back to what is, sadly, a dying, decaying pile of bantha-doo-doo. I sense a note of supreme irony when I look back at Dr. McCoy's line from Star Trek IV: "It's a miracle these people ever got out of the twentieth century." Sadly, DeForest Kelley didn't - may he rest in peace - nor has Star Trek. May you all Live long and prosper, hailing frequencies closed. Last one out, get the lights.

  • April 7, 2000, 4:51 a.m. CST

    New Trek Premise?

    by Celtican

    I heard that for the new series it would be based on what they are calling 'Meld'. Apparently when Voyager ends next year, the new series would continue where Voyager left off. Basically, the new show would be set on Voyager with some of the Voyager cast. New cast members and characters from DS9 & TNG would feature and possibly be crew members. The reason for this would be to save money on an expensive 2 hour pilot (they would already have the sets) and to follow a new 'arc' of plotlines. I sont know whether this is valid information but I have heard it from quite a few times. I know they have binned the 'academy' and 'Navy Seals' ideas as being too '90210' and 'gung-ho-US-kick-ass' respectively. The latter would not appeal internationally as Gene Roddenberry originally intended. Maybe Trek is dying. What is certain is that new blood is needed over at Paramount because the writers are the 'tired and moribund' ones and not the show. Star Trek still has many new worlds and new possibilities (excuse the cliche) but until the next generation of writers arrive, Trek is destined to die a slow death...

  • April 7, 2000, 9:33 a.m. CST

    relax

    by davemclain

    You know what bothers me most about Star Trek? The ship always looks like the inside of a Lexus. Now the Millenium Falcon, that was a ship. That sucker looked like the engine block on a Ford Pinto. It seems like everything over the years on Trek has gotten just a little bit too easy. I've seen episodes of Voyager that had all the drama of reconfiguring my hard drive. (Say that phrase out loud- "Captain- we need to reconfigure the hard drive." Doesn't it sound a little bit like a Star Trek plot?)It seems to me that thirty years is a good run. I don't have any complaints. Just take the good stuff and let the rest go. If the new stuff works great. Watch it and enjoy. If it blows- and it probably will- don't let it interfere with your love of beehive hair dos and velour in outer space.

  • Like anyone'd bother :))..Anyway, it's all there.... Topic: "More ST Series V Rumors" (2000-01-22)Talkback message: "Time travel, anyone?" (2000-01-23/13:53:38)..I'm sure others had same idea before. For obvious reasons :), I like this premise. Just hope Berman and Co don't mess things up..

  • April 8, 2000, 5:57 p.m. CST

    The REAL Premise will be

    by Violent_A

    Here is how the premise for the Star Trek V series will work. Three WWF superstars were frozen in time from the early 21st century to save the budding federation from an evil force from the 29th century trying to prevent UPN from scoring ratings using rasslers. The evil Eric Bishoff and partner Vince Russo who were too frozen in time from the 21st century, then woke up the the 29th century. are sent back to the early days of the federation to prevent Captin Vince McMahon, First office Stone Cold Steve Austin and Lt. Commander Rock from forming the next generation of WWF superstars and to try to get the pathetic orgazion known as WCW back to the top. But can these rasslers work out thier differences to stop the evil people from the 29th century? All story lines will be built up during the Star Trek shows and then the diffrences will be settled during a series of monthly pay per views. Yes Star Trek is heading that direction you see it all the time. There will be plenty of sex, voilence and a lot of stories that don't make any sense. Star Trek is dead, shoot the goddamn horse and then lets make some glue out of it.

  • April 11, 2000, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Unite behind fan power!

    by Subversive

    What this really comes down to is no idea is perfect, but Captain Hikaru Sulu is a much better idea than a time-traveling professional wrestler from the future. The more fans can pull together behind a common idea, the more their power will be respected by the production studios. At 1:00pm (times may vary) on Saturday, April 22, go to your local Trek broadcasting station and let them know. http://excelsio.iftcommand.com/

  • April 12, 2000, 3:42 a.m. CST

    RIP Star Trek,Long live Star Wars!!

    by Wolvie6

    Say what you want about The Phantom Menace, when you see what is coming in episodes 2 and 3 you will all crap your pants!! Its quality, not quantity that matters Trekkies. The first 3 Star Wars movies whoop monster ass on anything Trek. Without Lucas' first Star Wars movie, Star Trek The Motion Picture would never have been made. Nuff said!! RIP Trek!!

  • April 26, 2000, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Don't lynch the idea yet!

    by C128d

    Hold on guys n gals. Have a heart. This concept has a chance in my 'umble opinion. One of the major reasons Star Trek has become so dull is that the Trek Universe is so safe. You have a nice PC Federation with with a dull crew with no inner conflicts flying around in the Flagship of the Federation with virtually unlimited weaponary, power reserves, unlimited range transporters, communications, replicators... Unless the Borg appear there is nothing left to provide any threat. Now, if you leap back to an age when Starships are underpowered, under armed, cut off from the rest of the fleet in an unexplored, uncertain Universe and possibly facing a far more powerful foe (from the 29th century?) and you finally have some room for conflict and concern. Next give your heroes some obsessive traits and inject personality and humour and you end up with a series that's watchable. The premise isn't bad if you think about it but it's going to depend on the implimentation. Regarding the theory that people won't care about the series because the future of the Federation is 'assured' bear in mind that we don't care about Voyager's present! The characters are dull and we know the crew of Voyager will pull off another 'inverse tachyon action replay slow motion wave' device to save the day so we don't care. The whole crew could die horribly from a spce born virus and we wouldn't care. The audience will not looe sleep about the Federation or it's future. but they will care about a crew they can genuinely empathise will. I like the 'Birth of the Federation' idea in Principle. Now, if Paramount will work on witty, interesting characters. Watch 'Blake's Seven.'

  • May 2, 2000, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Base new ST series on Peter Davids New Frontier books

    by TheFesta

    Here's what Paramount should do to revitalize the Star Trek behemoth ... HIRE PETER DAVID!! Make him executive producer, head writer, idea man, etc... and have him develop the next Star Trek series. Instead of "Enterprise"... call it "Excalibur" or "Star Trek: New Frontier". Use the fabulous characters David has created from his "New Frontier" books as the foundation for the new series. After all, when all is said and done the thing that made both TOS and TNG great was the characters. Forget bringing back Kirk and Spock and such. However, let's bring back the Kirk/TOS style. Do that with Captain MacKenzie Calhoun of the Excalibur who is a throwback to Captain Kirk. He's a stubborn, do-it-yourself, devilish, rouge, warrior from the planet Xenex with plenty of attitude... and the man doesn't take sh-t from anyone!!! Add to that the setting of a new crew trying to help pick up the pieces of the distant fallen Thallonian Empire. Mix in familiar characters such as First Officer/Commander Elizabeth Shelby (from TNG's "The Best of Both Worlds" part I and II), Chief Medical Officer Dr. Selar (the character created by Suzie Plakson - aka K'Ehleyr), Robin Leffler (that girl hangin with Wesley in TNG's "The Game"), Admirals Jelico and Necheyev(sp) and others. Place them on the ship with new characters like Zak Kebron (the security officer who's like a cross of the Incredible Hulk and The Thing), Lord Si Cwan (the Thallonian "ambassador" along for the ride, and Chief Engineer Burgoyne 172 (the Hermat he/she). Stir all of them in with the rest of these wonderfully developed characters and you've got the PERFECT formula for the next Star Trek series. Mr. David's New Frontier books were incredible. As soon as you finished one, you couldn't wait to pick up the next one. I can't wait for his next series of books to hit the shelves. I mean... this is the guy that wrote both the Imzadi books, I Q, Q Squared, The Captains Daughter, Wrath of the Prophets, etc... has anyone read these books? They're all wonderful! This guy is a fabulous writer with an incredible imagination. He knows how to write STAR TREK. He knows the history of the show and interjects subtle little references in all his books. If you have not read the New Frontier books yet you are missing out on a series that blows Voyager away. Get em! QUICK!! The entire series of books read just like you are watching a new TV series. If Berman and Braga really want to revitalize the ST franchise and keep it alive, Peter David is the guy to Tap. Pay him ANYTHING he wants!!! Just get him!! TheFesta@aol.com (P.S. - I am in no way related to Peter David. Just a fan of his work! heh heh heh)