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So What Exactly Is Marion Cotillard's Role In THE DARK KNIGHT RISES??

The Kidd here...

By now, everyone has their theories and ideas about how Christopher Nolan is planning to wrap up his Batman trilogy come July. However, with still little to no information coming from THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, we continue to go full steam ahead with more questions than answers, and I'm sure Nolan is loving it. 

Is Bruce Wayne going to get killed off?

Does Bane break the Bat?

What's the deal with John Blake?

How does Catwoman factor in?

And, of course, who exactly is Marion Cotillard playing?

Miranda Tate is the answer we've been given to the latter, but that can't be true. After all, the momentum has been picking up on Cotillard being cast to play Talia Al Ghul, daughter of Liam Neeson's Ra's, bringing all three films full circle to some extent. 

Cotillard has finally shed a bit of light onto who her character really is in an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, and guess what?

She's really playing Miranda Tate.

Wait... what?

All she'll confirm is that, contrary to some fans' belief, she does not play Talia, the vengeful daughter of Liam Neeson's character, Ra's Al Ghul (who also appeared in BATMAN BEGINS), and that she takes the role of Miranda Tate, an ecologically minded businesswoman who "is fascinated by Wayne Enterprises. They go through difficulties, and she wants to help provide the world clean energies. She's a good guy." But does she stay that way? "Yes," she insists.

So there is no Talia Al Ghul at all...? Or is that simply what Cotillard and Nolan would like you to believe?

You've really got to hand it to Christopher Nolan for keeping us completely in the dark on THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, so that, once we finally do see it, everything will feel like a surprise. Even with Marion Cotillard revealing a bit more about her character, it still feels like we're not being told the truth... even if we are. Our speculation has run so rampant that, even if Cotillard is being completely honest, we don't believe her. That way, if Talia Al Ghul does show up in THE DARK KNIGHT RISES... Surprise!!! 

Oh, sure... we may have been lied to, but won't we wind up forgiving for that bit of misdirection, if it makes for a nice twist during the film? And if Talia Al Ghul is no part of TDKR, then... well, they told us so. We should have believed them.

This feels like a bit of gamesmanship from TDKR camp, and I must say... well played, sir. Even when faced with what feels like facts, we're left to dispute them. These next couple of months are going to drive me crazy. 

 

-Billy Donnelly

"The Infamous Billy The Kidd"

BillyTheKidd@aintitcool.com

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  • May 9, 2012, 11:41 p.m. CST

    first?

    by vinniepolak

  • May 9, 2012, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Second!

    by Brian Hopper

  • May 9, 2012, 11:42 p.m. CST

    She's gotta be Talia.

    by Brian Hopper

  • May 9, 2012, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Oh, of course she is TALIA!

    by Jake Pantlin

    Lies make baby Jesus cry!

  • May 9, 2012, 11:56 p.m. CST

    She Insists

    by mattythelionheart

    Nobody can accurately say what we'll see in July. That's the fun of it. Hopefully it'll be be meaty as fuck.

  • May 9, 2012, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Check IMDB

    by dookiew

    if you check the website it lists all the characters including: Ra's Al Ghul and a young Talia Al Ghul. If there is a young version, I am assuming that an older version is going to show up somewhere.

  • May 9, 2012, 11:58 p.m. CST

    The bat dies, and Tommy from 30 rock puts on the suit

    by happybunni

  • May 9, 2012, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Cotillard Would've Made One Hell of a Sexy Catwoman! Although . .

    by Sluggolicious

    Though, Anne Hath A Way of Giving me a Boner!

  • May 9, 2012, 11:59 p.m. CST

    3rd rock I mean.. damn it.

    by happybunni

  • May 10, 2012, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Midway into the film

    by David_Denmans_Beard

    she'll actually pull off a mask, revealing it was Ra's al Ghul all along. Which will make for an all the more mindfucking scene when Ra's comes in and pulls off a mask to reveal that it was Cotillard underneath in the role of Talia. Then, at the close, Michael Caine will remove his mask and reveal he was the Joker all along.

  • May 10, 2012, 12:04 a.m. CST

    She's Talia

    by Alex Fritz

    Or I'll be sad. Who wants a plain jane love interest in a Batman film. In a Nolan Batman film. Not me. Shit would be all kinds of Spidey 3 lame.

  • May 10, 2012, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Guessing who plays what in this film is mind numbing and pointless...

    by Punisherthunder

  • May 10, 2012, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Shes actually playing Wonder Woman...

    by Jobacca

    And at the end of the film she breaks into the Batcave to tell Batman about the Justice League Initiative.

  • May 10, 2012, 12:08 a.m. CST

    by medster101

    Wasn't Ras basically an eco terrorist. Her being an ecologically minded businesswoman continues to clue me into who her character really is. Gotta be Talia. Dosent it? Or maybe catwoman is really Talia and Miranda Tate is really Catwoman? maybe Tate is really poision ivy? Or maybe Bane is really the Joker? I don't know anymore.

  • You know....Bruce Waynes long,lost childhood friend who was never mentioned or alluded to in over 70 years worth of comics. Dont you love when movies do that shit?

  • May 10, 2012, 12:10 a.m. CST

    david_denmans_beard

    by Last_of_the_Emurites

    I just drizzled some bowel remnant when I read your "reveal." Frackin' hilarious! :)

  • May 10, 2012, 12:16 a.m. CST

    After the sugar high of the Avengers I'm ready for some nutrtion.

    by MST3KPIMP

  • May 10, 2012, 12:18 a.m. CST

    I thought she was confirmed as Talia months ago.

    by Jaster Mareel

    ....I think she's a lying bitch.

  • May 10, 2012, 12:18 a.m. CST

    of course she is Talia

    by SupermanIsMyGod

    We know there is a young Talia in the film, as well as old/young Ra's. And the set pic of Cotillard in that tribal looking dress holding a sword on top of a tumbler. Wasn't that it? Thought it was...doesn't matter in the slightest. Can't wait for the flick

  • May 10, 2012, 12:32 a.m. CST

    aicn... fire william the childd

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    not because he "vs" movies instead of reviewing, or because no one likes him... but he did the unthinkable at aicn... AN ARTICLE ABOUT AN ACTRESS WITHOUT ANY PICS OF THEM SHOWING CLEAVAGE? thats a cardinal sin and you will never be forgiven here I SAY GOOD DAY!

  • May 10, 2012, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Wayne is clearly in a wheelchair, so

    by LowDevil

    yes he is broken, catwomen takes over, then Batman comes back for the films final act to save the day. End credits

  • May 10, 2012, 12:43 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives is right

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    this is the only movie worth a shit this summer. Nolan is God. Wheddon's masterpiece was entertaining but ultimately a mindless kiddie flick with no substance.

  • Batman mask of the pahntasm had a made female lead from like what teenage years... DC reboots/ret-cons stuff more than any comic book company.

  • May 10, 2012, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Bane is Ducard

    by Nuck81

    I'm convinced Bane is Ducard/Ra's/Liam Neeson. He survived the train crash, but needs the mask and Steroids/Venom to stay alive. That's why Bane has so much influence and knows Bruce Wayne = Batman. Sure I'm probably wrong, but hey why not?

  • May 10, 2012, 1:12 a.m. CST

    The twist is Joe Gordon-Levitt is Talia Al-Ghul

    by zillabeast

    Marion Coltilwhatver is not that hot either. Her accent is annoying as all hell. Sounds like a poor gypsy woman with the herp.

  • May 10, 2012, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Speculation...

    by Soliok

    Ah, speculation, the lifeblood of internet forums... Marion Cotillard has nothing to do with Talia Al Ghul like the space jockey has nothing to do with the plot of Prometheus. The character is there to close the circle, or at least it makes the most sense in explaining their presence. Maybe Talia is tasked with completing her father's plan, to bring about 'Gotham's reckoning', and Bane is the chosen tool/weapon to do the job. He may not have been trained by the League of Shadows, but he certainly seems to have the will, the conviction that Batman lacked. Granted, I'm not a card carrying Batfan, nor am I a zealous Nolanite, so I don't pretend to have intimate knowledge on the character of Talia Al Ghul, and I certainly do not hang on every printed or spoken word from some director, expecting to glean some revelatory glimpse of a film's plot. I have other things to do with my time. It just seems that it would be a waste or resources to cast someone like Marion Cotillard for what seems like a very insignifcant character role, 'an ecologicallly minded businesswoman'... ...unless Miranda Tate is the cover story that Talia Al Ghul uses to get close to Bruce Wayne, which would mean that Ms. Cotillard is not exactly lying about the character she is playing. Without knowing the exact words of the question and answer regarding Cotillard's role, we're left with nothing but speculation.

  • May 10, 2012, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Sleeper Agent

    by Henry Fool

    Maybe she's a sleeper agent sent by the League of Shadows. She might really think she's someone named Miranda Tate only to discover her inner Talia when her trigger is activated. Just a thought. I wonder what Bane's connection to Rhas Al Ghul will be. I hope Liam Neeson's cameo doesn't end up on the cutting room floor like Reese in T2.

  • May 10, 2012, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Rachel was in the comics, but just in Year Two

    by textual

  • Who killed criminals with a giant scythe before Bats came along. I think he was the one who killed Post Crisis Joe Chill before "52" rewrote things.

  • May 10, 2012, 1:35 a.m. CST

    the trailer has things blowing up in it

    by mrbong

    should be a good film, really. not sure i am bothered as to who plays who and if it relates to a comic or something, it just looks like we will get a couple of hours of things going "boom" and "woosh". nice one.

  • May 10, 2012, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Well, SOMEONE must have stolen those plans...

    by Flutchy

    ...for the League's Batmobiles. Talia in disguise of Tate makes perfect sense.

  • May 10, 2012, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Interesting Bane tidbit...

    by Soliok

    (cropped from the Bane Wikipedia entry): 'While searching for the Swiss man in Rome, Bane encounters the League of Assassins and eventually Bane impresses Ra's al Ghul so much that he chooses Bane as his heir (an "honor" he had previously bestowed on Batman).' Interesting, indeed.

  • The only good thing about TDK was Heath Ledger's amazing performance. Otherwise, you had Christian Bale doing that stupid gruff voice and 45 minutes of boring Two-Face crap after the Joker was gone. And TDKR won't have Ledger to distract you from how bad the rest of the movie is.

  • May 10, 2012, 1:54 a.m. CST

    "ecologically minded" = Poison Ivy

    by Phil Connors

    Haha

  • May 10, 2012, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Anyone else see Bane as the good guy?

    by Xen11

    Because there's not one thing I disagree with him doing that i've seen.

  • May 10, 2012, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Selena and Bane =

    by Darkknight37

    Talia and Ra's

  • May 10, 2012, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Re

    by Nautilus_nrm1

  • May 10, 2012, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Re: "ecologically minded" = Poison Ivy

    by Nautilus_nrm1

    I had the same exact thought. Bane. Poison Ivy or Talia. Catwoman. Robin. Who's going to be the Riddler?!

  • May 10, 2012, 2:23 a.m. CST

    didn't a story broke where

    by Ogmios_the_Eloquent

    a young girl said in an interview she was playing a young Talia Al Ghul?

  • Though I guess when you're inundated with *spoilers* it's hard to tell fact from fiction.

  • May 10, 2012, 2:28 a.m. CST

    bucketdouche

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    you will burn in a lake of fire for eternity for your blasphemous slandering of the almighty God Chris Nolan your genitals will be sliced by razor blades a billion trillion times by the damned souls of CIA interrogators you will be water-boarded for a thousand years until you pledge your soul's allegiance to the mighty Nolan, God of Cinema

  • May 10, 2012, 2:37 a.m. CST

    I wonder if we'll get this 10 days before the U.S..

    by KiwiMetal

    ...just like the Avengers. Heh. Heh. Heh.

  • May 10, 2012, 2:41 a.m. CST

    I smell complete and utter...

    by Ryan

    BULLSHIT. http://batstud.blogspot.com/

  • May 10, 2012, 2:59 a.m. CST

    BatmanINO

    by CuervoJones

    Reboot. Paul Dini. NOW!

  • May 10, 2012, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Still wishing Nolan was pulling a fast one and JGL was really The Joker

    by American Mythos

    The only ties a John Blake has in Batman's history is that little Joker comic strip of him stealing little Johnny Blake's report card. I would love for John Blake to be a smokescreen and for The Joker to appear as a surprise on July 20th. Nolan would go down in history as a master showman. Alas, it won't happen.

  • May 10, 2012, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Justice League

    by MrDark

    I like this version of Batman, but it has no place in a more traditional DC universe Justice League. I hope there isn't an attempt to build something like that in the film.

  • May 10, 2012, 3:16 a.m. CST

    Could she have an identical twin al-la "The Prestige"?

    by thatswhatshesaid

  • May 10, 2012, 3:28 a.m. CST

    or you could just watch the movie and find out

    by Rupee88

    and probably enjoy it more without knowing the entire story and all the plot twists beforehand. I know this is a crazy idea though.

  • May 10, 2012, 4:09 a.m. CST

    winona_ryder's_pussy_juice is right about AsimovLives being right.

    by Particularly Hard Vato

  • May 10, 2012, 4:21 a.m. CST

    Re: Anybody Else Getting A "Curse Of Second Sequel" Vibe Here?

    by ArmageddonProductions

    It's beginning to feel a bit like Nolan's succumbed to the "second sequel" curse, ala SPIDER-MAN 3, BATMAN FOREVER, INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE, etc. Like he's maybe attempting to cram too much movie into the last one -- figuring it it will BE the last one -- and that it may be a bit too much. I remember getting all excited about the coming attractions for SPIDER-MAN 3, that Venom was gonna be in it, that they were finally gonna wrap up the "Green Goblin" arc and maybe we'd get a spot-on Green Goblin, for once, that there was a comic-accurate Sandman involved, and then, about ten minutes into the actual movie, realizing they had taken a potentially ULTIMATE Spider-Man sequel and somehow ruined it beyond recognition.</p><p> Here, we have Catwoman, Bane (yeah, Bane's already appeared in a Batman movie, didn't work out so well that time ...), Ra's A'Ghul, his daughter, the dude who kicked off his career as "Creepy Kid" in the "Dark Shadows" revival AND wrapping up all the shit Nolan set up in the first two movies. I honestly can't shake the feeling that the original intent was gonna include the Joker somehow and that we're getting a desperate Plan B plotline that was hammered out at the last minute, but I hope I'm way wrong about that ...

  • May 10, 2012, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Who cares?

    by MajorFrontbum

    Just hurry up and release the film, so it can be forgotten about, and then rebooted yet again in six months time. You know Hollywood has run out of good original ideas.

  • May 10, 2012, 4:41 a.m. CST

    Anne Hathaway is playing Talia

    by Darth Mulder

    That's exactly the kind of twist I would expect from Nolan.

  • May 10, 2012, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Poison Ivy?

    by tangcameo

    If Bane is pretending to be the Occupy movement. Wouldn't a green energy scientist probably end up being a bio-terrorist in this movie?

  • May 10, 2012, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Sure sounds like Talia to me

    by HornOrSilk

    She is "good" and a "love interest" with how own company? Not Ivy. She sure sounds like Talia, especially when Nolan says she is key in helping "resurrect" Batman.

  • May 10, 2012, 5 a.m. CST

    @sluggolicious:

    by Funis4assholes

    Kudos on the greatest comment EVER.

  • May 10, 2012, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Inception is actually connected to this film

    by Xen11

    Inception is the internal mental anguish resolved by Bruce Wayne through a dream state. In this dream, Bruce pictures himself as a Leonardo Dicaprio type. His protege is this kid played by Joseph Gordon Levitt. Marion's character is his love interest that may turn on him but he has to let her go. Michael Caine plays his butler/support. Cobb/Dom is his persona that he never got to live out. A wannabe family man that never got that because of his duty, his work. Robert Fischer is his target / The Scarecrow, his last job / his fear separated into an opposable entity that he must conquer and overcome by converting despair into hope, regret into peace. Let's not forget Ra's Al Ghul played by Ken Watanabe being a double edged guidance that contains the key to his freedom. Perhaps Ariadne is a sort of student like Selina Kyle. A young kid trying to figure out the truth. Tom Hardy's Eames and Bane are fellow coworkers/vigilantes , working in the same business. Inception is Bruce Wayne's last dream as he is dying. It's his purgatory, his life flashing before his eyes.

  • May 10, 2012, 6:06 a.m. CST

    *SPOILER ALERT*

    by alienindisguise

    It's sad when Alfred dies.

  • May 10, 2012, 6:13 a.m. CST

    FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT.

    by tailhook

    I've been trying to figure out the overall plan of where the hell Nolan is trying to go with this. He's always had a right-wing bent. The Dark Knight was obviously his response and beliefs concerning 9/11 and terrorism within the context of Gothem City and is one of the pre-eminent Right Wing films of the past decade. But what i haven't figured out is, wth is the backbone for The Dark Knight Rises? Two words... Motherfucker is doing ATLAS SHRUGGED. I guar-an-fucking-tee it. Basically, what you're going to see is the League using Bane and financing him so that he takes over Gothem City and uses the prisoners to remove/suppress the 1% and ensure they stay gone, including Bruce Wayne. Its not Batman who is going to get his back broken, its Bruce Wayne.. an overall symbology to the people of the 1% being broken. He may even leave him alive and broken as an example of the 'rot at the top'. Essentially what Nolan is going for is something similar to this bit from the Wikipedia entry of AS: "In their efforts, these people "of the mind" hope to demonstrate that a world in which the individual is not free to create is doomed, that civilization cannot exist where every person is a slave to society and government, and that the destruction of the profit motive leads to the collapse of society." I expect that this will culminate with Bruce Wayne outing himself as Batman, taking down Bane on one last mission, and then leading the crusade for a free society based on the individual, while passing on the cowl to John Blake so that the symbol and The Batman never dies.

  • May 10, 2012, 6:22 a.m. CST

    ecologically minded business woman?

    by Lemure_v2

    The al Ghul's are eco-terrorists. She absolutely is Talia.

  • May 10, 2012, 6:28 a.m. CST

    everyone assuming JGL takes over?

    by Lemure_v2

    I remember when everyone was sure Hardy was playing Strange and JGL was playing Riddler...then he was playing Falcone Jr...then Azrael. Maybe he just plays a police officer? Having JGL turn out to be Robin or Nightwing will end the series on a low. And JGL can't take over as Batman without a good ten years of training.

  • May 10, 2012, 6:30 a.m. CST

    @fortunesfool

    by Lemure_v2

    Stupid hater. TDK wasn't meant to be about Batman, it was about the consequences of his actions and escalation. I'd stick to Transformers if I were you.

  • May 10, 2012, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Dark knight 4

    by barrymore_is_a_Dude

    It is all a rouse. Nolan will be doing one more batman..... Bane breaks the bat, JGL takes over, bane is working for talia. JGL becomes a vicious batman and Wayne/batman has to become batman to stop him....in the next film as JGL batman goes in "league" with the lazarus pit reborn ras al'ghul to destroy Gotham. The end is really to be continued, Nolan is pulling a fast one

  • May 10, 2012, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Maggie Gyllenhaal before TDK:

    by unparanoid_android

    "I'm looking forward to being in the next one". Ya. You can bet the farm Marion is Talia. Although this being Nolan there's gonna be some twist to it. Someone mentioned Miranda Tate has a twin sister who is Talia, which seems plausible.

  • May 10, 2012, 7 a.m. CST

    I bet JGL won't survive

    by Flutchy

    Trailer has him kneeling and facing certain death. Would be the prestige of all times however if he turned out to play the Joker - white-coated and armed spectator of the teaser's Batman/Bane-Fight anyone?

  • It's all in the trailer lovies, you just got to know how to look. Look at Wayne and how he's older in some shots and more like he was in TDK in others - pre and post Lazarus Pit me thinks. I imagine we have a first half of the movie where everything goes badly for Bat Man and Gotham City, i don't know who smuggles wayne out but maybe Rhas Al Gul - Liam Neeson has admitted to reprising the role - then i think Wayne's dropped unceramoniously into the pit and climbs out regenerated. Lucius and Alfred get busy re stocking all new bat goodies and the stage is set for the big comeback as Batman 'Rises' I don't think Nolan would have had a problem killing off Batman but DC & Warner would'nt allow their biggest star to die, besides we all know Batman can't die - COZ HE'S THE FUCKING BATMAN!!! I think the shot of batman high up over the city is most likely the final shot of the movie. We''l most likely have a 4 or 5 year gap and the franchise will roll out again.

  • May 10, 2012, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Yeah, sounds like Poison Ivy.

    by whatevillurks

    I was hoping Nolan would do her since she fit into his "realistic" villian scheme.

  • May 10, 2012, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Bane=Ras Al Ghul

    by Patrick Pettay

    I think that is why Nolan intentionally left Bane's voice so mumbled in the 6 min. trailer that came out during Christmas. Once you really hear Bane speak you can hear Liam Neeson in there. In the current trailer when Bane looks down on a beaten Batman and tells hiim "Your punishment must be more severe." That sounds like someone looking for revenge (Ras), not two guys who have just met. The Lazarus Pit revived Ras after the train wreck and it will be used again to restore Bruce for the final conflict. Talia can be the one who tells Bruce about the Lazarus Pit.

  • May 10, 2012, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Riddler was in the Dark Knight

    by MDJouster

    He was called Mr.Reese aka mysteries same as enigma. One of the Riddlers most common accomplishments is discerning who Batman is which is what Mr. Reese did. I am curious if they drop thar character off or if he has a further role in the sequal.

  • May 10, 2012, 7:42 a.m. CST

    M. Rease was the main character in

    by Xen11

    Sucker Punch M. Rease = memories M. erase = mind erase Yea, I'm getting off topic. Mr. Reese just reminded me of that.

  • May 10, 2012, 7:49 a.m. CST

    The guy who plays Agent Coulson swore he wouldn't die in The Avengers

    by rev_skarekroe

    All these people are liars.

  • May 10, 2012, 7:54 a.m. CST

    "clean energy" is so IN (movies) right now.

    by TheManWhoCan

    mehh

  • May 10, 2012, 7:58 a.m. CST

    John Blake is "Azrael" from Knightfall storyline...

    by Ripper99

    Not exactly him, but it will be him when Bane breaks the Bat. In the last trailer, he John Blake has alot of screen time. And even when you hear Catwoman saying "you've given them enough"...Batman replies "Not everything...not yet". If you listen carefully, that isn't Bale's voice, it isn't as gruffy, it is lighter in tone. I think Blake takes over Batman's garb while Bruce Wayne goes missing...eventually confronts Bane...sacrifices himself in the process...there you have the death of Batman...then Bruce returns from exile...essentially ressurecting Batman from the grave to everyone's eyes....and takes out Bane, to end the trilogy. Based loosely on the Knightfall storyline...which we all know Nolan and Goyer is doing. You have heard it here first. -Ripper

  • May 10, 2012, 8 a.m. CST

    It's a certainty that this chick is Thalia

    by Wcwlkr

    To quote Jay-Z "We don't believe you, you need more people" lol. I'm not buying it this chick is Thalia, they're not going to kill off the Bat. But this is just the end of that story. I just hope they don't do a complete reboot. I know the origin, just have a new story.

  • May 10, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST

    ecologist sounds like Poison Ivy

    by vicmackey1268

    Stupid...but that's the first thing I thought of

  • May 10, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST

    The "Bane is Ra's" theory is flawed to point of being nearly impossible.

    by Jarrete Barnett

    It's been confirmed before and during production that Josh Pence is playing a Young Ra's al Ghul, and it's been later confirmed since post production that Liam Neeson is definately making a cameo as Ra's in this film. So why would they cast a third actor in Tom Hardy if they're all ultimately the same character? Regardless of the context they're depicting Ra's return and/or influence to the plot, that would be all too pointless if all three were ultimately playing Ra's al Ghul. So not only is Ra's supposedly "immortal", but a shape-shifter now, too.

  • May 10, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Drstrangerlove

    by Jmacq

    I get the impression this movie is trying to invoke a bit of "The Dark Knight Returns" with this whole "8 year gap" they're rumormongering about. But I'd otherwise agree that after the Nolan trilogy would be a perfect time to try to adapt The Dark Knight Returns to the big screen. I just doubt WB would ever have the guts to do it properly.

  • May 10, 2012, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Kurt Russell drops out of Django Unchained

    by Samuel Fulmer

    But it's okay, because he's laughing.

  • May 10, 2012, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Batman won't die

    by vezner2007

    Because if he does, Nolan will be ruining what was the best Batman movies trilogy thought possible. I have faith that Nolan wouldn't be that stupid.

  • Pretty clever, adding characters from the classic rogues gallery but 'Nolanising' them. And my money's still on Wayne enlisting Blake to help form a Bat army at the end.

  • gets laid because he isn't a fucking closet queer like travolta and batman. And another thing- batman has always been ridiculous looking in the comics too. And he has a gay little boy side-kick. What is the fucking appeal people?

  • May 10, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST

    You're all just fucked

    by UltraTron

  • May 10, 2012, 8:34 a.m. CST

    And another thing. Batman is what happens

    by UltraTron

    when you let gay marriage happen

  • Catwoman initially is working for Bane, then tries to get away from him: That's the scene of her wearing that hat and sunglasses in the airport. But, Gordon-Hewitt's character catches her before she leaves: That's the scene of him asking her questions with her sitting down in the latest trailer. She then joins with Batman towards the end: The latest trailer. "Miranda Tate" IS Talia. She works for Wayne and becomes romantically involved with him. Then, she reveals herself as Talia. Its still not known how she relates with Bane; Does she lead him, work with him, etc. She's either continuing her father's work, trying to stop Bane, or seeking revenge against Batman/Bruce. So, in HER eyes, she IS doing "good". Bane does indeed "break the Bat". The question is still how and to what extent.

  • May 10, 2012, 8:35 a.m. CST

    No offense to actual people who enjoy

    by UltraTron

    that sort of thing

  • May 10, 2012, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Dark knight returns

    by Db

    If they did do this Keaton would be ok,but can't help but think mel Gibson would be a great choice for Wayne/batman .also Joseph Gordon levitt is man bat

  • May 10, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST

    I gotta stop reading rumors like this!

    by Clavius

    I always find this kind of speculation really distracting once I'm actually watching the movie. Often I'll find myself sitting through it waiting for said scene or character to show up. And particularly when it doesen't end up happening I feel distracted and the overall experience is diminished, even if I like the movie.

  • May 10, 2012, 8:55 a.m. CST

    @ultratron

    by Lemure_v2

    Can't decide if you're an attention seeker or a twat. Could go either way. Tough call...

  • May 10, 2012, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Re: broken bat

    by Lemure_v2

    Bane will definitely beat the shit out of Batman, but I don't think we're talking spinal. He'll then imprison him.

  • May 10, 2012, 9 a.m. CST

    Haha @ Poison Ivy rumours.

    by Lemure_v2

    No. Fucking. Way

  • May 10, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Saw AVENGERS the other night. Good. Not great.

    by Frat Boy

    Pretty boring until the third act actually. Liked it though, just not sure where the maniacal love for it comes from.

  • May 10, 2012, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Liam Neeson

    by rahtard

    Has been confirmed for this movie per the Wrath of the Titans shooting schedule. Cotillard is involved with the League of Shadows seeing as there's set pics of her with Bane waering a similar costume as Ras in Begins. She may not play Talia, but she certainly is playing Ras' daughter.

  • May 10, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST

    @ tailhook

    by rahtard

    You are so very right.

  • May 10, 2012, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Really don't need Batman with a Christ complex.

    by cookylamoo

    And I'm afraid that's what we're getting.

  • May 10, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST

    @buckethead50

    by Tim

    Everyone in Hollywood is a hack, huh? Tell us all about how you're the worlds greatest undiscovered film maker.

  • May 10, 2012, 9:18 a.m. CST

    and Iron Man replied "Captain." Joy!

    by Dogmatic

  • She's GOT to be lying.

  • The Nolan Batman's don't focus enough on Batman. He's basically set dressing for Nolan to make a movie about something else without getting rumbled. I've said it before but Batman is a detective. A batman movie should be like Se7en with Batman in the Morgan Freeman role. And don't patronise me with the 'stick to Transformers' crap. I'm 39 years old with a Batchelor of Arts degree in Film (with Hons) not a 14 year old comic book nerd who lives in his parents basement.

  • May 10, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST

    John Blake = red herring

    by 2soon2eat

    The fact that Nolan is hanging out John Blake like some kind of fishing lure ought to give people pause. Don't take the bait!

  • May 10, 2012, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Batman Dying is 100% Realistic

    by Brian

    He SHOULD die in this film. How long can you get away with being a reviled vigilante? How much can your body take? How much can your psyche take? Nolan's answers to these questions will be, "Not Forever." You'll see.

  • May 10, 2012, 9:23 a.m. CST

    HERE ARE THE PICS OF HER DRESSED AS TALIA ON SET!

    by Jaster Mareel

    http://nerdreactor.com/2012/05/09/the-dark-knight-rises-marion-cotillard-denies-being-talia-al-ghul-and-im-the-queen-of-england/

  • May 10, 2012, 9:24 a.m. CST

    SHe's wearing the same fucking ghi Ra's wore!

    by Jaster Mareel

    SHE'S A LYING FUCKING CUNT!

  • May 10, 2012, 9:24 a.m. CST

    you guys are reading too much into this

    by VoiceOfSaruman

    and referencing too many comics. No back breaking. No Poison Ivy. No Robin, Nightwing, Man Bat. Batman dies, maybe, but no one takes over for him. For Nolan to do that, he would basically be shitting on everything Batman went through (and trained for) in the first film. Nolan's too smart for that, that would be a hack move in these films' context. Marion may or may not be Talia, but if so, Neeson may only be seen in a flashback, with a little girl playing Talia.

  • May 10, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Batman will retire, thus setting up 'The Dark Knight Returns'

    by Fortunesfool

  • May 10, 2012, 9:29 a.m. CST

    @dogmatic Yeah... I guess.

    by Frat Boy

    I mean, if your socks were blown off then good on ya. I don't know. I just thought it was a pretty boring movie for the first two thirds. I stand by "good, but not great." But I see where you're coming from.

  • May 10, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST

    @rahtard: Another thing that would tie into Atlas Shrugged

    by tailhook

    I was thinking about the blowing up of the stadium... and it isn't really a blowing up of the stadium, but the blowing up of the field and the football players on it. On its face it seems like senseless carnage, but could Bane be viewing the spoiled football players getting paid tens of millions of dollars as part of the 1%, another symbolic way of 'wiping out' of the 1% in front of the 99% that barely get a fraction of a players salary a year? Notice the stands aren't exactly caving in. Just a big hole in the field.

  • The ten bucks 'punchline' Galaga Stark poking Banner with the 'pointy stick' He's adopted etc etc I'll take one of those moments over a dozen 'second unit' set pieces everyday of the week and twice on sundays.

  • Because everyone involved wears darker colors and broods more? Nah, it's the same thing. Any inferences of "seriousness" or "art" are supplied by the viewer alone, as evidenced by some of the comments here. I like Nolan's style, but let's not fool ourselves about substance. It's fun comic-book stuff, and no one is more sophisticated for liking Nolan's films than Marvel's. It may be fun to think so, but no. I'm looking forward to this as entertainment.

  • May 10, 2012, 9:39 a.m. CST

    @whatevillurks Sure, comparing it to --

    by Frat Boy

    TRANSFORMERS, AVENGERS was CITIZEN KANE.

  • May 10, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST

    TDKR NEEDS MORE HULK

    by julia

  • May 10, 2012, 10:02 a.m. CST

    In order to bring this full circle...

    by knightrider

    ... Bruce has to have a protege, just as he was to Ducard/Ra's Al Ghul in Batman Begins. That character has to be John Blake (they even have similar chins!) So I think the story will loosely adapt the Azrael material from Knightfall. Batman can continue even if Bruce Wayne can't. The whole decoy angle will be mirrored with the two female characters in the movie: Talia will have an alias, just like her father. I half expect this to be Selina just to throw a curveball and surprise us all, and Miranda Tate to be some kind of new incarnation of Dr. Kinsolving, helping Bruce during his convalescence.

  • May 10, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Strongest evidence she is Talia?

    by HornOrSilk

    Cotillard has referred to her role as secret, small, and not based on the comics–the latter said finishing with a smirk in a video recorded interview. Nolan said to Entertainment Weekly magazine about her character, "She represents the hope that Bruce can be brought back to life again." http://tdkrtimeline.wikispaces.com/Miranda+Tate There you have it -- that Bruce can be brought back to life (and this is not to say he is a corpse, but he's given up on life).

  • May 10, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST

    knightrider, you are forgetting the first teaser trailer

    by Jaster Mareel

    Where Gordon is laying in a hospital saying the Batman must come back, and Wayne saying =What if he no longer exists?= So obviously nobody has been filling during his absence.

  • May 10, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST

    wrath_of_fett unless

    by HornOrSilk

    That is early in the film ?

  • May 10, 2012, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Kurt Russell for Gordon

    by Db

  • May 10, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    RIPPER99 is correct ...

    by ShavedLeatherPig

  • May 10, 2012, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Or superman

    by Db

  • May 10, 2012, 10:09 a.m. CST

    A little perspective on Batman and Avengers...

    by lightwriter

    Avengers was a fun film that I really enjoyed. But most people I've read say that the film really lives up to the billing in the final act (though I enjoyed the first two as well)... which means all Whedon had to do was put all the characters on screen for a brawl. That's all we wanted and that's what we got. Fair enough. But with Nolan's Batman, we want more than just Bats punching people in the face and driving around in the Batmobile. We expect such a high standard as far as story (character arc, plot twists, etc) is concerned and that's really what separates these two regarding hype and expectation. Maybe TDKR won't be as good as we want it to be, so Avengers will be crowned "champ." But you have to admit... TDKR will have a much harder time living up to expectations.

  • May 10, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST

    wrath_of_fett

    by knightrider

    Good call! I just wonder if the timeline of this story will be linear, like The Dark Knight, or more fractured, like Batman Begins. If it bounces around throughout the 8 year gap, there could be someone else in Bat-training... And if the theme of escalation is continued (and I expect it will play a part), I expect the copycat Batmen to feature somehow, a la the Sons of the Batman in The Dark Knight Returns. A replacement Batman would fit in well with that subplot...

  • May 10, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Some thoughts

    by HornOrSilk

    1) Gordon has figured out Bruce is the Batman 2) Bruce has sort of lost it, has given up 3) Talia resurrects the Batman through inspiration, where he reminds him of the good her father taught him, and how he had to learn to go deep against all fear. Bane is his ultimate test to rise and be the hero that his father couldn't be. He will be the successor to her father but in a way which transcends him

  • May 10, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST

    So do we all agree then that she's a lying fucking whore?

    by Jaster Mareel

    I think those pics pretty definitively prove it.

  • May 10, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST

    JGL may be playing the Azrael role, but...

    by Transhuman

    There's no way Nolan showed him in the batsuit in the trailer. Think about it people, he won't even say what characters the actors are playing, you really think he would let something like JGL as Batman slip in the trailer? We have seen only Bale in the batsuit. Full movie, we may see some JGL as Batman action, but other than that we will not.

  • May 10, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Cotillard IS Talia

    by Transhuman

    I think we all know that

  • May 10, 2012, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Bane is Bane, Bane is NOT Ra's

    by Transhuman

    I definitely see him taking on the role that Bruce refused in Begins. That would explain what he is doing in Gotham, how he knows who Batman is, and his ties with Talia. I also would imagine that he is somewhat based on the Mutant Leader in The Dark Knight Returns.

  • May 10, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST

    JGL may be the one to bite the dust

    by Transhuman

    Prompting Bruce to return from injury. Blake could die publicly as Batman, Bruce will return and the Dark Knight will rise from the dead.

  • May 10, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    JGL is actually playing

    by HornOrSilk

    Clayface. We will have a full rogue's gallery. Talia, Catwoman, Clayface, Bane.... Don't forget the Penguin in the preview, too. And the Riddler is back. Finally, the Mad Hatter is there.. turns out he is Alfred...

  • May 10, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST

    sub_legacy

    by Nuck81

    It's impossible for Ra's to shape shift and be two different people? You mean like in Batman Begins? And how is Bane a stretch when after the train wreck he would need life support equipment to stay alive? All the damage, rehabilitation, and drugs wouldn't have an affect on your pysique? The trailers are pretty clear that Bane is out for revenge on Batman/Bruce Wayne, the destruction of Gotham is just the catalyst for the revenge. The riots at the end are the people of Gotham coming to save Batman, in payback for all the times Batman saved Gotham.

  • May 10, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Vhere iz zee bat?

    by Tikidonkeypunch

  • May 10, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST

    oasiswerebetterthanthebeatles

    by julia

    DUDE THAT SOUNDS LEGIT

  • May 10, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Bane is not R'as

    by Flutchy

    We get a prologue showing young Hammer-R'as and even younger Bane on screen. Together. Two separate beings.

  • May 10, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Only movie worth a shit?

    by Jaka

    Come on people. You haven't seen this movie yet. For that matter you haven't seen any other movies this Summer, because it ain't summer and they ain't out. If you want to include Avengers, fine. But that's one movie. It's too early for the hyperbole train to be pulling into town.

  • May 10, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    And I hope she's playing Naked Girl

    by Jaka

    But, uhh, maybe that character only exists in my Marion Cotillard version of The Dark Knight RISES.

  • May 10, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    I agree this feels like misdirection

    by Chris

    talia feels like such a perfect fit for this last movie. A boring eco minded business woman? No thanks. But what do I know? I think they're gonna kill of the Bats

  • May 10, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Let's get "serious" for a moment

    by claudiomonster

    I've been trying to speculate the ending to the Dark Knight Rises ever since the first trailer hit. I'm pretty sure everything shown has been calculated down to the nanosecond. That being said ... We know John Blake is heavily involved in this film. We know he interacts with Selina. We know he has moments of danger - hands in air, being tossed ... etc etc. We know Selina will play both sides. She's the wild card here. I don't think she purposely does it, she sways from one belief to another - ala Bruce Wayne at the beginning of Begins. First he's with the LOS then against it. Same deal. John Blake is most like Gordon in my opinion. Learning as he goes. Without getting exhausting with description, I think at the end of the flick, we will go from an audience following Bruce on his path to people having to forumulate our own conclusion about the legend of the Bat. Is he still out there or not. Is he dead or not. I think Blake will be a Robin type character if not Robin himself. I don't think the burden of the Bat will be passed on as some assume. Bruce has gone through a hard past, to pass this curse to someone else, as he wanted to do in TDK, just doesnt feel right ... someone to join in his fight though, well thats another story.

  • May 10, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Overwrought and over-thought

    by I am_NOTREAL

    My guess is the storyline will be simpler than most here are forecasting. Just as Batman Begins took some notes from Year One--Bruce's return to Gotham, the birth of the Batman - Gordon alliance, mostly -- I think Rises will riff on The Dark Knight Returns...and will be as close as we get to a film adaptation of Miller's graphic novel, at least for a long time. We already know the movie opens as Batman has been out of action for 8 years. Bane comes to Gotham and fills the Mutant Leader role. New, scary adversary, and the escaped convicts that make up his army as roughly analogous to the Mutants themselves. After 8 years, Batman's skills are nowhere near as sharp, and he takes on Bane when he is really not ready to do so, ending up beaten and "broken." Bane takes him captive, leading to the whole "Your punishment must be more severe" exchange (presumably, you have to watch while Gotham burns). Somehow Wayne escapes from captivity, gets himself together, fight Bane again, and wins. The end. The Dark Knight Rises = The Dark Knight Triumphant (TDKR graphic novel, chapter 2), in essence.

  • May 10, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Waynes Escape

    by claudiomonster

    Is that when he is crawling out the pit? Thought ... a rebirth ... a new view ... maybe he understands now he must be the Bat. No more second guessing ...

  • May 10, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    This is the story...

    by lead_sharp

    Batman on the run from everyone is beaten down by Bane who's freed by Talia Al Ghul to help her get revenge on Batman for killing her dad. Batman is duly broken/imprisoned/incapacitated from being Batman (presumabley in that big prison like thing we keep seeing while Bane goes on a big mad rampage through Gotham. Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character John Blake is sympathetic to Batman and thus becomes Batman until Bane breaks and kills him forcing Batman out of a (presumed) self pitying state and back into action where he teams up with Catwoman (thus far a character who's sole job is to be THAT character who ties things together when needed) who has a change of heart to become a goody, they beat Bane and the league of Shadows and everyone lives happily ever after. If any onf this is accurate I will be shouting CALLED IT.

  • May 10, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    So what else does Batman have to "give"

    by claudiomonster

    In that scene with Catwoman ... "you have given them everything" ... "No, not everything, not yet ..." A character doesn't make a bold statement like this unless it will be fullfilled ... my only guess is his life ... any other speculations?

  • May 10, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    I screw Catwoman...

    by Tom Fremgen

    Talia is the coolest Bat- chick! I sure hope she's in this!

  • It will depend on whether Bruce Wayne is outed as Batman. If the secret identity remains intact then Batman can appear to die fighting for good and act as an inspiration to the rest of Gotham. The Legend will live on. Meanwhile Bruce maintains his life in Gotham. If Bruce Wayne is outed as Batman then Batman/Bruce needs to die publicly. Even thought I will bet they fake the death and Bruce goes off to live as the leader of the League of Shadows up i the mountains where no one can find him.

  • May 10, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST

    She is absolutely Talia(spoilers)

    by FlyingToupee

    Joey King is Talia as a child. There is a flashback scene where the young Talia is in a pit and has to climb out of it. This sequence parallels Bruce as a child climbing out of the well, and the sequence in the new film when Bruce is trapped in Bane's prison(dubbed the Lazarus Pit),and makes the attempt to escape. Tate is Talia as an adult, infiltrating Wayne Enterprises to gain revenge against Bruce. But she truly falls in love with him, causing her to be torn between her beloved, and her personal mission.

  • May 10, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    For years I was hoping Catwoman WAS TALIA!

    by Jaster Mareel

    I even pitched this to Nolan himself....sorta. It just seems like the perfect thing to do by combining those characters. In MY version, Talia comes to Gotham under the alias Selina Kyle and becomes Catwoman. Like Wayne, she learns all the stealthy ninja, theatricality stuff. Seems to play perfectly into that character. But it's also all a ruse to lure in the Bat, which she obviously knows is Wayne. Her plan is to reveal him to Gotham while simultaneously blaming him for the destruction of Gotham, which is the League of Shadows army SHE is leading. Along the way, she falls for Bruce and finds herself conflicted. Maybe Bane has been her General and he decides to take over the army while she fights side by side with Batman to stop him. Anyway, that was my idea since right after TDK hit theaters, except for the Bane thing which I just made up now. Although Nolan didn't take my suggestion for Talia/Catwoman, the rest seems pretty close to what I was hoping for.

  • May 10, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Batman will not die, no real lazarus pit

    by Kakii

    In the teaser its Gordon in hospital, so he is the one Bane breaks. JGL is the sort of cop Gordon was in BB and will help Batman just as Gordon did. The lazarus pit will not be the comic book one as this is set more in the real world, this means it will be a metaphor and wont be a magical resurrection bath. Its more than likely the prison type place we see a bearded Bruce in the trailers. I really cannot see WB letting Nolan kill Batman as the franchise must go on, even if a reboot and the general public will get confused. He became the DK in the last film and became the hero they deserve, in this he will become the hero they want, hence the title. Talia is in the film as a little girl, whether Marion Cotillard is Talia or not remains to be seen, however I do think that it will be Catwoman who steals the Tumbler plans for Bane or Talia and then tries to redeem herself after seeing Banes brutality by helping Batman. Ive said it before and will say it again the movies end will mirror the end roof scene as the story comes full circle. It will either be JGL or Gordon on the roof with Batman, Batman will say "I never thanked you", then whichever cop it is will say "and youll never have to" then pull the Batman vanishing act, to which Bats will smile and dive of the roof swoop back up to which we will see the fixed Bat signal in the skyline. The legend ends as Batman becomes Gothams hero and is no longer a vigilante.

  • May 10, 2012, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Bruce fakes death

    by claudiomonster

    I kinda digg this ... everyones happy ... I think theyre going to make this a coin toss - ala inception - you decide if he is dead or not - but there will always be a hint that he is out there ... waiting ...

  • May 10, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    we see plans within plans....

    by diseptikon

  • May 10, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    scene in trailer where women flips

    by underwater_cemetery

    there is a scene in the trailer where a woman flips in a prison. it is definitely marion cottilard. what is that scene then?

  • May 10, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Talia WAS confirmed in January

    by RockLobster800

    a young actress (like 13 years old or so) named Joey King whose in the film said she was playing a young Talia, in flashbacks, in January. I'll post the link below. I mean it all fits-Josh Pence plays young Ras, this little girl is young Talia, he's raising her and she encounters a young Bane who grows up with the League of Shadows. Years later, "Miranda Tate" has infiltrated Wayne Enterprises, gets the Tumblers for Bane (hence why there are pictures of her on top of one!) and seduces Bruce, all the while plotting revenge on the man who brought her dad down. I'm guessing it'll actually be a third reel reveal that Bane is actually just a figurehead, and Talia is the real power behind the league-that's probably Neeson's scene in the film, telling Bane and Talia what the next step should be if he fails, before he embarks on his attack on Gotham in Begins. Actors lie. Thats what they do for a living! I remember Eckhardt saying Harvey Dent would get sprayed with acid in a courtroom during TDK...Didn't happen, so when the warehouses blew up, you suddenly realised what their ace was. So yeah, Cotillard is most likely bull-shitting, though there might be nuggets of truth in it. I mean, she might stay "good", but thats because the League believe themselves to be good guys anyway! I really hope Nolan is more clever than that though-Tate as Talia being a real smokescreen so they can reveal Selina is really Talia at the end would be great. Anyways, link.... http://latino-review.com/2012/01/19/young-actress-joey-king-confirms-dark-knight-rises-suspicions/

  • May 10, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST

    MARION flips in the prison?

    by Jaster Mareel

    I haven't freeze-framed it, but people were saying it was Hathaway. If it is indeed Marion, that definitely flies in the face of her =good person= schtick. But I still say the pictures I linked to above, particularly where she is dressed like Ra's Al Ghul and squatting on top of a fucking tumbler, undeniably label her a lying fucking cunt!

  • May 10, 2012, 2:23 p.m. CST

    And when I say I =pitched= to Nolan, I mean....

    by Jaster Mareel

    The Dark Knight Blu-ray was only the second in history to have a live commentary by the director. The first was a Harry Potter movie. It was an interactive commentary, so you had to register in advance and pose 3 questions to Mr. Nolan. He would supposedly read them all, and respond to those of his choosing. Needless to say, my =question= was actually a suggestion that Talia be Catwoman. He did not address this on the commentary. As rocklobster800 suggests, I guess it could still be a possibility as a late reveal. It would explain why Nolan chose a red-headed Catwoman, because she is the daughter of an Irishman. Even if that does turn out to be the case, it could very well just be a coincidence. OR I COULD SUE WARNER'S FUCKING ASS!

  • May 10, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST

    if you look closely

    by Griff

    In the beginning of the new trailer, Bruce appears to be using a cane to walk...guess he was healing up after his escape...seems like he was kinda broken to me...

  • May 10, 2012, 2:38 p.m. CST

    oasiswerebetterthanthebeatles

    by dave

    is that your speculation? or is this fact?

  • May 10, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Just kidding about sueing of course

    by Jaster Mareel

    How cool would it be to think that possibly you could have planted a seed in a Batman film? I don't even care if it's true, it's just fun to imagine it COULD be true.

  • you know just to keep the whole shallow playboy thing, so noone suspects he's the bat?

  • May 10, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST

    The Billy Donnelly Show

    by Finn

    This site is becoming more and more that way. I feel like everyone else went on vacation or to youtube land.

  • May 10, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Talia

    by HornOrSilk

    All those who are trying to say she is trying to get revenge or anything like that don't get Talia. She loves Bruce. She's chosen him as her mate. She loves her father, obeys him, but sees Bruce as the future and supports and works with both (protecting Bruce along the way). Plus, I think her father is alive (and not Bane).

  • May 10, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk, yeah the COMIC BOOK Talia is like that

    by Jaster Mareel

    But Nolan has significantly changed Ra's. Possibly making him dead, somewhat by Bruce's hand in this version. And remember, as far as we know he never met her in this version, let alone been romantically entangled with her. In the version I imagined, she crushed on him from afar, but was just a little girl when he was training with the league. Then when she sees him again in the third film, those feelings unexpectedly surface, but are more mature. Little by little she melts for him and comes to realize Bruce is the good guy and that she has allowed her need for revenge to blind her to her father's misguided self-justifications. Again, this is all just in my head at the moment, but I think it would be cool nontheless.

  • May 10, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Cotillard is obviously playing a Skrull.

    by schreck

    No, I mean Riddler. No wait, Deathstroke. You know, just like Anthony Michael Hall did. Okay, Talia is a possibility but I'm not entirely convinced. Then again "ecologically minded" does remind me of the comic book version of Ra's. So who knows?

  • And though Nolan changed Ra's a bit, in reality, we have not had enough Ra's to know how much he has been changed. And yet even the change in general keeps with the paradigm. To have Talia radically different from her persona (accidents changing as accidents change) would not be what I expect from Nolan (he changes accidents, but keeps the essences).

  • May 10, 2012, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Bullshit on her not playing Talia...

    by Leto III

    ...All those leaked photos from last summer ("Miranda Tate" coolly commanding machine gun-wielding League of Shadows goons, and climbing into one of their cammo-painted Tumblers, right alongside Bane himself) basically prove otherwise: http://www.beyondhollywood.com/more-spoilerific-the-dark-knight-rises-set-images-and-videos/ If you notice, though, her mention of "Tate" being interested in "providing the world [with] clean energy," and her character "not changing"....that actually sounds EXACTLY in line with Ra's al-Ghul's "save-the-world-by-nearly-killing-it-first" doctrine. Essentially, her clean-energy plans involve way, way more than putting a few more Priuses on the streets. So, yeah -- even the denials sound like tacit confirmation of everything we've long suspected, plus there's Joey King's interview a few months back where she confirmed that she plays "[the] young Talia al-Ghul" in the movie. Just a couple more months to go...

  • Which runs counter to the photographic evidence I provided above. I call shenanigans!

  • I mean, his name is RA'S AL GHUL, not Mickey O'Hallihan! Just sayin'.

  • May 10, 2012, 4:11 p.m. CST

    dude, all you have to do is...

    by JaredP

    look at the online photos of her in a kimono with armed guards all around her, to know who she is playing, and it ain't miranda tate

  • May 10, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Doesn't matter who she is

    by Jack

    The Kidd will hate it either way.

  • May 10, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST

    maybe she be Harley Quinn or Wonder Woman, heY!! mostly could be true

    by Lloyd Fenton

  • May 10, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST

    tophat

    by MrDark

    I just wanted to say I stopped reading just to comment on how retarded you sound.

  • May 10, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Miranda Tate, an ecologically minded businesswoman?

    by dwer

    Poison Ivy?

  • May 10, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST

    More excited for the trailer

    by UltraTron

  • May 10, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Does Talia have any cool superpowers?

    by Lloyd Fenton

  • May 10, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST

    MORE JOKER - WE DON't CARE HOW!!!

    by Sigmar25

    just do it Nolan - were counting on you!!!!!

  • May 10, 2012, 5:31 p.m. CST

    nuck81

    by Jarrete Barnett

    While all that is "possible", that logic is still way too much of a stretch for me, even for a comic book adaptation. You already have a younger and older Ra's al Ghul appearing in the film, and you're gonna throw in Tom Hardy in the mix just to ultimately turn out to be the same character? Why not just have Josh Pence bulk up for the part in the first place? The logic is somewhat plausable, but still too messy and ridiculous for me.

  • May 10, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Batman & Robin was great! I liked the Bat skates and Mr.Freeze!

    by Lloyd Fenton

  • May 10, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Can Batman be in the next Avengers movie! That would be cool!

    by Lloyd Fenton

  • May 10, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Who cares she just needs to show her tits?!

    by MainMan2001

  • May 10, 2012, 6:01 p.m. CST

    plus batman and robin was a great film

    by MainMan2001

    fuck all you nay sayers. that's bullshit. it's a good film for what it's worth. it wasn't trying to be anything more then opening night enjoyable

  • People are expecting WAY too much out this thing. If you look at the last two movies, they really were your basic Batman films, hell, the first one even had a SUPERweapon that the badguy was going to use to destroy Gotham. I don't think the new one is going to hold THAT many surprises. There's going to be a badguy who is going to threaten to destroy Gotham, Batman is going to get beat up by Bane and lose all hope and decide to give up, at the end he (and the entire Gotham police force) are going to join together to beat Bane and the baddies. I mean nothing I've seen really screams anything revolutionary. If I'm wrong cool, but I think folks are looking too much into everything.

  • May 10, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST

    @mainman2001:

    by Leto III

    ...You're kidding, right?

  • May 10, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST

    £100000000000000000000 bet.

    by ihatetalkbacks

    Joseph Gordon Levitt is not the "new" Batman. Why they would wrap up Batman but have a new Batman is beyond me. Why it would be a 9 stone guy compaired to 14 stone Bruce is even further beyond me...

  • May 10, 2012, 6:54 p.m. CST

    underwater_cemetery Definitely not Cottilard...

    by ihatetalkbacks

    http://comicbook.com/blog/2012/05/01/third-dark-knight-rises-trailer-five-questions-raised/

  • May 10, 2012, 7:20 p.m. CST

    SO JUST TO CONFIRM!?!?!?!?!

    by ihatetalkbacks

    Joseph Gordon Levitt John Blake and is Batman, and Robin and the Joker. Anne Hathaway is Selina Kyle and Catwoman and Talia Al Ghul. Marion Cotilard is Talia Al Ghul but not Catwoman but is Robin and Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn. Tom Hardy is Bane and Ras Al Ghul but not Talia Al Ghul or Robin. Also he is too small but big enough. Batman dies in this but is still alive with an unbroken broken back, that Bane does but does not brake to undeath. Ras Al Ghul that is shown only in flash back and the oresent day is controlling all events by not controlling events as he is not un dead but certainly not un alive. His plan is to not not, not nuke the city with a submarine looking like a bomb to destroy everything then steel it. Only Talia being bad by being good doing bad good things can help with the help of a good Selina doing bad to be good bad things, with out the help of John Blake though he does help with the only help he gets from Talia... and Cat Woman... and Fox and... Gordon. By the way Alfred un-dies in this as does Batman and Gordon and the myth of Batman and that of Dent but they all live happily ever after as they all die to live. They can do this as the Lazarus Pit in not un-not in this as its not supernatural but is supernatural in origin that Nolan (we do, not do indeed not do, do not do trust) does not do but does in this as it is only unsubstantiated rumour proven by fact that is rumour.

  • May 10, 2012, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Were the Al Ghul family all Irish immigrants?

    by Minotaur7

    Or do we get a peek behind that very multicultural curtain?

  • May 10, 2012, 7:49 p.m. CST

    JGL as the new Batman?

    by Ricardo

    Man, he is ok but.... no. Just no.

  • May 10, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST

    show business trope...Death... What a career move!

    by darthSaul666

    Yeah this new Bats has none of that this time... I still think the new Bats will prolly be good... But Avengers will be untouchable... You all seem to forget Avengers had a Superbowl spot and the most viewed trailer on itunes in a 24 hr period before the biggest openning of all time.... Bats and Spidey's visabilty isn't that big.... Rather hard to compete if too many people don't give a shit...

  • May 10, 2012, 8:19 p.m. CST

    ihatetalkbacks

    by Jarrete Barnett

    LMAO. Too many pointless theories to count.

  • May 10, 2012, 9:33 p.m. CST

    @Ihatetalkbacks...

    by underwater_cemetery

    The hair of the prison is not long enough to be hathaway.

  • May 10, 2012, 9:38 p.m. CST

    JGL is either Nightwing or Azreal

    by Glen

    Remember...no Robin. Never said anything about Nightwing. From the trailer, he seems to know Selina Kyle, so I say Robin...but Azreal could be a possibility. I don't believe the Joker rumor.

  • May 10, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Important update about TDKR

    by Lloyd Fenton

    I have poo in my bum...

  • May 10, 2012, 9:53 p.m. CST

    by DrMorbius

    didn't a story broke where ... by ogmios_the_eloquent

  • May 10, 2012, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Pamela Fucking Isley

    by rodvegas78

    Poison Ivy and Bane together again!!! You only had to read the word "Eco". See Nolan is Joel Schumacker's gay lover. Jon Travolta introduced them. Nolan so distraught over the public flogging of Schumacker's Batman he decided to play us for fools and suck us into the greatest Batman trilogy ever made. Ending the final movie with Christian Bale and Joseph Gordon Levitt wearing shiny suits with nipples on them.

  • May 10, 2012, 10:35 p.m. CST

    by DrMorbius

    by winona_ryders_pussy_juice you will burn in a lake of fire for eternity for your blasphemous slandering of the almighty God Chris Nolan your genitals will be sliced by razor blades a billion trillion times by the damned souls of CIA interrogators you will be water-boarded for a thousand years until you pledge your soul's allegiance to the mighty Nolan, God of Cinema Good news for you buckethead, all of those sound infinitely better than having to sit through the excrutiating excrement that is The Dark Knight Rises!

  • May 10, 2012, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Spoilers?

    by Servo1000

    Why the hell does AICN and most talkbackers need to know what happens all the time?? Just wait for the movie and if you choose to see it you can be surprised. 2 great movies 1 of them a classic would now never have been nearly as good in today's world. "The Empire Strikes Back" someone would have spread the news that Vader is Luke's father, and the Han Solo Carbonite would have been spoiled. "The Sixrh Sense" The Surprise ending never would have worked it would have been spoiled as well. Go back and look at the campaign Hitchcock put together for "Psycho"? I am old to your standards in most cases but growing up I loved DC comics and my buddy was Marvel we both liked all of them. and we dreamed about "Avengers" and "Batman" movies now we can see them, that is glorious for all of us! people are far too unforgiving these days.

  • May 10, 2012, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Unfortunately I DID know Vader was Luke's father before I saw it

    by Jaster Mareel

    Fucking trading cards!

  • May 10, 2012, 11:41 p.m. CST

    "that Bane does but does not brake to undeath"

    by Jaka

    That made me laugh.

  • This ran on HBO all the time when I was a kid.Had to watch it everytime. I think it's Van Damme's first film(er...movie).Watch the whole thing with some friends on commentatelike MST3K (for all you thirtysomethings like myself) or just fast forward to 1:01:34 for one of the funniest training montages ever! http://youtu.be/J5OgQ1svrc4 if that link doesn't work... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5OgQ1svrc4&list=PL6D40F1BBAF4FCECA&index=11&feature=plpp_video

  • May 11, 2012, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Oasis

    by SnukesofHazzard

    Your saying this stuff about TDKR like you either read the script or saw the movie already, both of which are impossible right now unless you are a major star of the movie or hanging with Nolan while he is editing the movie. It sounds like to me you are taking known stuff from the trailers and then injecting what you think happens.

  • May 11, 2012, 3:30 a.m. CST

    snukesofhazzard I'm positive oasis is posting BS

    by HornOrSilk

    Though I think oasis probably read it somewhere thinking it is official. Some of the things said just sound like bad fan-boy scripting.

  • May 11, 2012, 4:05 a.m. CST

    Whatever the role, I hope it's minor

    by JonJonB9

    can scarcely think of another actress so bad, overrated and dead fish eyed. The woman can't convey emotion in any convincing way at all, I can only assume she gives up every conceivable hole in order to stay in work.

  • May 11, 2012, 8:22 a.m. CST

    oasis has poo in his bum

    by Lloyd Fenton

  • Flash forward: Remember how in Dark Knight Rises, Marion Cotillard pretended she was this Miranda Tate layday, but then it turns out she's actually Talia Al-Ghul?

  • what better way to do something fresh with Batman after the Nolan trilogy then put him in a world where Superman and co. exist. WB will copycat Marvel and give characters their own individual movies. Considering they almost made a JLA movie anyways I don't think this concept is that far off.

  • They already blew Green Lantern. They're probably going to reboot Batman. Alot hinges on Superman, but that's already hobbled by Zack "The Hack" Snyder's involvement. I think if there actually is a JLA movie, it will be rushed to compete with the Avengers franchise, and will be an embarrassing hack job. Sad, but true.

  • May 11, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST

    I don't even remember this bitch in INCEPTION

    by animas

    or in any movie actually...

  • May 11, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Here's a better picture of the lying cunt dressed as Talia Al Ghul

    by Jaster Mareel

    http://www.caughtonset.com/wp-content/gallery/anne-hathaway-august-4/anne-hathaway-batman-23.jpg Here we learn that Christopher Nolan actually CHANGED THE SHOOTING SCHEDULE FOR HER! Some small insignificant part eh bitch? http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/marion-cotillard-dark-knight-rises-rust-bone-321515

  • May 11, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Yeah I'm not very optimistic about a JLA film

    by Jaster Mareel

    It could work, it could be incredible. It could blow Avengers out of teh fucking water. But they'll fuck it up and it will end up being really corny with conflicting tones. I'm nearly positive of that.

  • Even when they are publicly and loudly warned a la Catwoman, they just march forward right off the fucking cliff.

  • May 11, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST

    For NOT being able to tell *sigh*

    by Jaster Mareel

  • ...When she plays the Tarantula in the spin off. BEST...FANBOY...MINDFUCK...EVAR.

  • May 11, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    wrath of fett don't call anybody a cunt, You're a cunt! There

    by Lloyd Fenton

  • May 11, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Let's be rational for a moment...

    by TheMachinist

    I haven't even heard of Marion Cotillard's involvement in this, but it seems pretty fucking obvious that an ecologically minded businesswoman is going to let that ecominded-ness get the better of her.

  • In fact, it might make me want to do it MORE!

  • May 11, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    you're the cunt plus you have no balls...

    by Lloyd Fenton

    whiny nerdboy

  • May 11, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    and your bum is full of poo

    by Lloyd Fenton

  • May 11, 2012, 3:51 p.m. CST

    this guy oasis

    by dave

    wont say how he knows all of this. hes prolly right about a bunch of things but i hope its all bs as i felt like i read the whole movie

  • May 14, 2012, 2:30 a.m. CST

    lol nolan haters

    by Mack Walsh

    He is producing stuff on the dramatic level of some of the best movies of all time and nobody gives him props because the source material is a comic book and a Schumacher sexual assault case gone cold.