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AVATAR 4...

Published at: May 7, 2012, 10:06 a.m. CST by merrick

Merrick here...

Over the weekend, THIS piece at The New York Times brought us an interesting discussion with James Cameron.  

The conversation naturally turned towards the status of the currently-under-development AVATAR sequels.  Cameron reveals what's been happening during the ramp-up to the productions, talks about refining and pushing the filmmaking technologies and methodologies brought to bear for the first film, and hints that the two AVATAR sequels that've  already been announced may not be all the AVATAR that's coming our way.

Last year I basically completely disbanded my production company’s development arm. So I’m not interested in developing anything. I’m in the “Avatar” business. Period. That’s it. I’m making “Avatar 2,” “Avatar 3,” maybe “Avatar 4,” and I’m not going to produce other people’s movies for them. I’m not interested in taking scripts. And that all sounds I suppose a little bit restricted, but the point is I think within the “Avatar” landscape I can say everything I need to say that I think needs to be said, in terms of the state of the world and what I think we need to be doing about it. And doing it in an entertaining way.

I'd always presumed that further AVATAR films (beyond the next two ) would be feasible...but this is the first time (that I can recall, at least) the possibility has been evoked so pointedly.  Interesting stuff, which also hints that some element of the upcoming AVATARs may conceivably involve China.  

It’s a major market. Possibly within this time scope of these two films, certainly by the time of the third film, it may rival the U.S. domestic market, if not surpass it. And there are economic advantages with respect to the percentage of gross revenue that flows back.

Most notably...sounds like Cameron is more or less saying that whatever mulling he's done on other projects may well have been scuttled...and that the AVATAR universe will now become his primary storytelling platform.  

Much more HERE!

 

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  • May 7, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST

    FIRST!

    by David Hinson

    YES!

  • May 7, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    "You're the best arooound!"

    by David Hinson

    Nothings ever gonna keep you down!

  • May 7, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    ...........

    by Scottie Richardson

  • May 7, 2012, 10:09 a.m. CST

    He fights the Russian.

    by DarthBlart

  • May 7, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST

    As much as I like Avatar....

    by David Hinson

    You'd think the movie changed the world the way former Linda Hamilton's Husband talks.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Fine, but at least ditch Sam 'Bland' Worthington.

    by Rtobert

  • But if you want to be ripped off Jim, be my guest.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST

    that movie blows, cameron, return your bitch ass to good stuff

    by jolliff89

    ya know, aliens, terminator 2, abyss. good stuff, not the blue people shit with a story thats been made over and over and over again. who gives a fuck already? so its 3d and pretty to look at, stop being lame.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    he's afforded the luxury to do what ever we wants.-

    by eric haislar

    I am more interested in the deep sea dives and science he wants to do then the movies he wants to make.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    he wants

    by eric haislar

  • May 7, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    sooooooo can he pass off the rights to Battle Angel Alita then?

    by freak2thec0re

  • May 7, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    I don't get all the love for future Avatar

    by Darth_Nader

    OK, Avatar was a great movie. I just don't see where this is going next. They already threw humans off the planet. Jake is no longer an 'avatar'. There was nothing at the end of the movie just screaming for a sequel. Maybe it's just me.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST

    the world needs True Lies 2, not that crappy CGI fest

    by Gorgomel

  • May 7, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST

    How many times can you remake "Dances with Wolves"?

    by cookylamoo

  • give us a damn sequel to true lies!!! not this pile of a shit thats the same story as 500 other hollywood film and fairy tale stories from history.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST

    so sad

    by stvnhthr

    I've watched most of Cameron's movies at least three dozen times each; but Avatar baffles me. I had trouble sitting through it once and failed in an attempt to watch it a second time. It is just so bland and uninspiring in every way. What is the fascination with this world?

  • May 7, 2012, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Fuck this .... give us something else than these!

    by Judge Briggs

    If you're going to milk the shit out of a franchise you've started, Cameron - how about we get some good Terminator sequels? Some movies based in the future war could/would be amazing ... not that shitty watered down McG version.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST

    And cue lots of people

    by syn_flood

    Referencing Fern Gully, Dances with Wolves, Pocahontas and Smurfs, because those are such original thoughts...

  • May 7, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Trained in The George Lucas school

    by donkey_lasher

    ...of I'll do what the fuck I want. All hope of a Terminator sequel, True Lies sequel, or even perhaps a Prometheus Sequel if Scott gave his blessing is gone.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Avatar ruined by the what-if

    by Bass Ackwards

    Having found out Damon was originally slated for the Worthington role, and really wanted to do it, it makes it hard for me to watch that film with Worthington without feeling like Damon would have done an infinitely better job.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    What kevin costner movie is he going to rip off this time?

    by Charlie_Allnut

    Waterworld? The Postman? I mean avatar was literally Dances with Wolves in Space. So he's going to keep inserting his politics into the movies? So we can look forward to allegories of increased availability of food stamps, abortions, free college for all, oil=evil (but I own a private jet), mandatory recycling for all, elimination of gun rights etc all set against a thrilling sci fi action back ground!!!!!!!! Sounds um great. I may not be liberal, but I also don't want to watch action movies about debunking the global warming myth, fiscal discipline or eliminating out of control bureaucracy and tea party rallies. BORING! Is it too much to ask to leave the preachy politics out of action films and just make a good fucking movie?????

  • May 7, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST

    syn_flood

    by donkey_lasher

    You just did.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST

    I fine with him making nothing but Avatar films

    by elsewhere

    I'm sure there's more to the Avatar universe than just blue cat people. Who knows, maybe it'll turn out being the next Star Wars.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Dear Mr. Cameron, please, please don't

    by JacksParasites

  • May 7, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Dang Gummit! I want my Battle Angel movie!

    by Jet Jaguar

  • May 7, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST

    True Lies had the balls to use Arab Terrorists as bad guys....

    by cookylamoo

    Even after 911, no one has the balls to do that now.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Looking Forward To AVATAR 2

    by The Infamous Billy The Kidd

    I find AVATAR quite overrated, but still excited about seeing what he might be able to do with a sequel if he tells a fresh story not in the vein of POCAHONTAS/FERNGULLY/DANCES WITH WOLVES. However, I'm a little sad that it's only AVATAR from here on out, with no TRUE LIES 2 (always a distant possibility) or BATTLE ANGEL ALITA ever in the works. We'll never get anything along the lines of the first two TERMINATORs or ALIENS, unless it has Sam Worthington involved.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Though I do hope he eventually makes Battle Angel.

    by elsewhere

  • May 7, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Dances with Smurfs = stupidest movie ever made

    by Raptor Jesus

    Once seen it can't be 'un-seen'. What an amazingly stupid story.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST

    I reckon, True Lies 2 would be so much cooler IMO

    by aphextwin

    I liked Avatar for what it is, I didn't love it and I was tracking this project from Day one back in 1999 when the first script leaked online. Avatar is easily the 'weakest' effort from big Jim, not that it's awful or bad, it just stands underneath all previous Cameron Movies IMO. I hope someday we will still see an R Rated flick from Cameron; I think True Lies was badass (with a heavy dose of violence and proper use of squibs(!))...unfortunately, we don't see squibs nowadays in Hollywood. Anyway, I will see all Avatar sequels on IMAX (just for the visuals) and I hope the script will be much better as well.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Actually, my favorite Cameron film is "Strange Days"

    by cookylamoo

    Nice, nasty little Sci-Fi Flick with great performances by Fienes, Basset and the guy from Murphy Brown.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Won't Live That Long!

    by BoggyCreekBeast

    Considering how long Cameron takes to get a movie into theaters, what's the over/under that he will live long enough to get to Avatar 4?!

  • May 7, 2012, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Cameron just told us America is fucked

    by daggor

    Losing jobs to China is bad enough, but as entertainment continues shifting to make other cultures happy, we are going to be super fucked.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:30 a.m. CST

    What about Battle Angel? What about his Hiroshima movie?

    by Volllllume3

    What about all the other fucking shit he could do now that he's one of the richest motherfuckers in the world? Only Avatar and documentaries? Is his heart really not in it anymore?

  • May 7, 2012, 10:32 a.m. CST

    charlie_allnut: Let me guess? Republican?

    by NADO

    I'm always bewildered at people supporting the right wing Conservative party in my own Country of Canada. But in the USA the freak show is so much more insane, it's far beyond my comprehension.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Not even good news for Sam Worthington.

    by cookylamoo

    Since he's pretty much dead at the end of Avitar.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST

    I Love strange days, one of my favorite..

    by NADO

    But it was directed by his ex he only wrote it..

  • May 7, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Oh Good...

    by Cory849

    With such shitty movies coming to the big screen, I'll get to make more time for books.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Avatar was fucking boring as hell

    by unparanoid_android

    seriously I dozed off at one point. The "mythos" is just meh. If Cameron is going to spend the rest of his active life just doing Avatar, that really sucks.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:36 a.m. CST

    AV4TAR?

    by JRcanReid

    No thanks. I think I'll jerk off in the shower instead.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Great so 3 more lectures coming our way.

    by cockdiesel

    At least I don't have to go see it.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Ava4ar?

    by jim

    4vatar? Avata4? A4atar? I think it will be 4vatar.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:37 a.m. CST

    At least he's being honest

    by Samuel Fulmer

    No more hey Jim when are you going to make Battle Angel or something that I might actually want to watch type of questions for him anymore.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST

    cookylamoo

    by Lee

    Cameron didn't direct Strange Days, his ex-wife (of Hurt Locker fame) did. Though, I think he possibly wrote it.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Cameron= all FX no plot....

    by Dark Doom

  • yeah, i`m not sure that makes sense either but then i`m not likely to switch to an all mcdonalds diet forever either.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Cameron will NEVER leave money on the table.

    by JP

    Greedy bastard will milk it for all it's worth. The dollar is all he cares about. And Avatar was not a game changing classic - it wasnt a great movie.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Avatar as Cameron's pulpit.....

    by thot

    ...to preach the gospel according to James. As if Avatar wasn't preachy enough. I thought Avatar was good eye candy but otherwise pretty silly and highly derivative. I have zero interest in any sequels. Too bad he's going to limit himself so much.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST

    The Dances With Wolves comparison

    by Darthshellers

    ...is really lame. ...Wolves was effectively a remake of The Little Big Man. There's no such thing as an original story idea. As much as I loved Terminator, it was eerily similar to the work of Harlan Ellison. Terminator 2 was a remake of The Terminator, Aliens was a virtual remake of Alien, True Lies was Bond.... and so forth. The fact is, the Avatar haters are massively in the minority, as demonstrated by the box office and DVD/Blu-Ray sales.

  • I mean Avatar was the most overated piece of Crap I've ever seen. I truly can't understand how a movie so completely unoriginal had the success it did. But since it made billions for Cameron instead of him doing some cool new projects like Battle Angel Alita. We have to keep getting this Fern Gully/Dances With Wolves/Pocohontas mash up crap. OMG! I refuse to watch this crap.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    PROMETHEUS WILL BE RATED 'R' !!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Dr. Francis B. Gross

    Source: http://collider.com/prometheus-rating-rated-r/164532/

  • May 7, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Avatar got Ridley Scott to go back to sci-fi.

    by Volllllume3

    Of course it was a game changer.

  • I imagine that the HUMANS are going to come back in a big way. Sure, they kicked the butts of the military who were there, but do you think that we humans wouldn't go back for revenge? It is in our nature to want what we can't have. We also don't like to lose. I expect we will see more military tech in future Avatar movies.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Maybe, just maybe

    by Ingeld

    There would be an Avatar film that is based solely on the future earth alluded to in the film. Or how about the main character Jake returning to earth as his Na'vi character looking for the equivalent of the tree of life in some jungle, etc. I think it would be interesting to find out that Na'vi themselves begin to lose touch with their natural world as some begin to embrace technology, etc.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:52 a.m. CST

    By the way for anyone over 40, anyone?

    by Ingeld

    George "Goober" Lindsey died.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST

    James Cameron could change the world

    by brightgeist

    i think James Cameron is currently in a position to actually change the world. he's made this little movie AVATAR, which has been seen by hundreds of millions of people and made more money than any other movie before... and now he's working on two or more sequels. now in AVATAR, what we got is a future high-tech mankind that still lives in a monetary system and has basically fucked up their planet so much that now they have to start raiding other planets for resources... don't forget, the soldiers in the movie aren't military, they are mercenaries that work for a profit-oriented company. and this mankind encounters another intelligent species on a distant moon... a species that lives in harmony (dynamic equilibrium) with its environment, on a moon that has a natural neural network that can connect all living beings there. the first movie has told us about the first major conflict between that species, the Na'vi, and a group of humans, a conflict that doesn't really solve anything in a sustainable manner... mankind is still stuck in a greedy monetary system, Earth is still getting fucked up, and the Na'vi have defended their home... for now... of course we know that the sequels will bring us lots of incredible action and great drama and amazing visual effects in 3D and 60fps or more... but what about the story? how can Cameron end this in a way that really makes sense? personally, i can't think of any other possibility than this: mankind will learn from the Na'vi and start a high-tech society based on harmony with the environment (aka a Resource-Based Economy). this could be on Earth, or on another planet (maybe in the same solar system that Pandora is in?). in any case, it would be an AWESOME message to the world, to the hundreds of millions of people who are basically guaranteed to see those sequels, and it could open the world's eyes to the possibility of an RBE. now is this all wishful thinking? isn't James Cameron a commercial filmmaker, working for major Hollywood studios? well, yes and no. first of all, Cameron is a genius. :) this is just my personal opinion, but i think he's easily smart enough to understand the possibility and necessity of an RBE. second, he's always been "one of us". just look at his movie THE ABYSS. this was terribly edited down for its theatrical release (obviously before Cameron had gained the influence to get HIS movie into theaters), but anyone who has ever seen the Special Edition knows that the true message of the movie is very, well, "zeitgeisty". and it's also there in the first 2 TERMINATOR films, even though some people have made those movies into "enemies", due to their alleged message of "evil machines taking over mankind", which is BS because the machines in these movies aren't just machines, they are WAR-machines. so they have been programmed by humans to be weapons, and Skynet has been programmed to eliminate all threats, and when they attack it, it fights back. so it's not like some people say, that the machines in these movies simply become evil and kill all humans. instead, the messages of the TERMINATOR movies are that the weapons we create can and will be turned against us, and that there is no fate but what we make for ourselves. that is what Cameron wanted to tell us with these movies, if you ask me. and again, if you watch the Extended Special Edition of T2, the ending shows a peaceful high-tech future. even TITANIC was a social metaphor for Cameron, relating to the different strata in our society, as well as the ecological collision course that our way of life is on right now. he describes that very clearly in his final words of the documentary TITANIC: THE FINAL WORD WITH JAMES CAMERON. (http://youtu.be/DLo1OvK3ltE) also, don't forget some of Cameron's other very eco-oriented documentaries. and finally, third, James Cameron now has the power to make the movies he wants to make, without any studio being able to edit anything out. he can tell the story he wants to tell, and nobody in any studio on the planet is going to tell him what to do, because they know that AVATAR 2 and 3 together will make about 6 billion dollars. so let's sum that up once more: we have a director who obviously has the sensibility for global social and ecological topics, who has warned humanity about the possible results of our current ways in previous movies, who has the means and the power to basically make and release any movie he wants, and who has a story at hand that literally demands an outcome that is, for all intents and purposes, an RBE. and if he brings such a vision of a peaceful society, which is no longer based on monetary profit and greed, but rather on cooperation and sharing and a dynamic equilibrium with the environment, to hundreds of millions of people in an entertaining way, then who knows... he could actually change the world.

  • Not keen on his historical and life changing BS he's been dropping on us for the last 15 years. Shame on you Jimbo. What a waste.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:57 a.m. CST

    At the Mountains of Madness

    by Ripper99

    This sucks...even though they couldn't get funding before with Tom Cruise set to star...I was still holding out hope that the Guillermo Del Toro directed, Cameron produced, rated R, 3D "At the Mountains of Madness" would come to fruition down the road. That film would have me excited as much as I am for Prometheus. Cameron may reconsider his decision....if he gets bored with his underwater hobby.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Yeah, sure

    by CuervoJones

    I love James Cameron more than i love my wife, but the guy is gonna be mining asteroids and doing stuff like the rest of his life. I don´t think he´s thinking in making movies anymore.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Milking his idea dry

    by Tikidonkeypunch

  • May 7, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Cameron has basically become an amateur explorer.

    by Volllllume3

    I mean he wants to advance space exploration by mining asteroids for fucks sake. And he wants to do it in his lifetime.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:03 a.m. CST

    I do understand the hate for Avatar.

    by Mr. Anderson

    Yes, the story was not entirely original, but have you guys not seen Star Wars? Or EVERY SCI-FI MOVIE EVER MADE? Jesus Christ, there really is no pleasing some people. One of the only true visionaries left in the movie business pours his heart and soul into a massively ambitious technically ground-breaking sci-fi/action movie, and people bitch because it borrows the same allegorical motifs as some other movies. Give me a fucking break.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:03 a.m. CST

    I do NOT understand the hate.

    by Mr. Anderson

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  • May 7, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST

    At this rate...

    by brad negrotto

    I doubt he will make to to Avatar 3, much less a fourth one. Of course this is James Cameron. Maybe he as found a way to cheat death.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Avatar 2 might elevate things - since he admits the first was weak.

    by impossibledreamers

    Cameron said in several interviews that story was not the focus and the whole 'going native' plot was pretty thin. So, now that he's established his technology, his universe and major characters - the next one might actually be worth sitting through (because I can't watch the first again)

  • May 7, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST

    mr. anderson

    by brightgeist

    I agree! and my facebook name is Thomas A. Anderson :)

  • May 7, 2012, 11:08 a.m. CST

    re:brightgeist

    by Ingeld

    The problem is that Cameron's vision of a natural world in harmony with itself is an illusion. There is never really any balance. If there was balance and harmony in nature, then evolution would not have to occur. There can be no stasis achieved in the natural world and as a result--not real harmony and long range balance. On the micro and macro levels species from time to time can overwhelm their environment or have detrimental impact on other species, these must in turn either adapt or perish. "Nature is red in tooth and claw." Pandora is the environmentalist's never-never land.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST

    ingeld

    by brightgeist

    i said "dynamic equilibrium", with the emphasis on DYNAMIC. all the billions of years before humans started fucking up the planet, the Earth and its species were in dynamic euqilibrium with each other. they all evolved all the time, but not in such a way that one species suddenly destroyed the environment for all the other species and themselves. so that's what i mean by "dynamic euqlibrium". of course i don't mean a static balance. there will always be change and evolution, that's a good and natural thing. but what we're doing right now isn't.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST

    We saw the future Earth in the Avatar DC

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Looked like a poor man's version of LA 2019 in Blade Runner.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Cameron = the new Lucas

    by Kakii

    Technically Avatar was amazing, the best 3D ive seen, however the film sucked ass, if it wasnt for the 3D id have walked out. Now hes getting all pompous and egotistical, what a complete waste of a talented director hes basically gone all "Lucas" Why do the good ones end up like this while we have to put up with one trick ponies like fucking Tim "film by numbers" Burton. Cameron get of this ego trip and get back to making good movies that we want to see!

  • May 7, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Bleah. No thanks. The first one sucked ass.

    by Buck_Futt

  • May 7, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    ingeld

    by brightgeist

    btw, i like your idea of Na'vi coming back to Earth and seeing how it changes them. but i don't think it would be the technology as such that would change them, but rather the change from their economical system (which is based on cooperation and sharing and sustainability) to Earth's economic system (based on monetary profit, infinite exponential growth and cyclical consumption). that could really be interesting to see.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    TRUE LIES 2 must be made Mr. Cameron

    by ABking

    Come on Jim. You are a very smart filmm maker. If you are not going to make anything anymore besides AVATAR films, at least produce Lightstorm Entertainments sequel to TRUE LIES for your friend Schwarzenegger. Arnold is hot again thanks to THE EXPENDABLES 2. Hell, Arnie is getting raves for the new EX2 trailer in theaters. Arnold looks cool and his saying bad ass one-liners again, much like your 1994 mega hit TRUE LIES. You should produce TRUE LIES 2 for Arnold ASAP (start production now), do a BOND or MISSION IMPOSSIBLE or EXPENDABLE style story with huge action scenes. You don't have to direct it...get Paul Verhoeven, John McTiernan or even the Bandito Brothers of ACT OF VALOR to direct TRUE LIES 2. The spy sequel will be a huge hit following Arnold emergence as a top box-office action star. Please Cameron, don't be dumb and give up on this much awaited sequel. Make TL2 for Arnold. You do still liike Schwarzenegger right??? Stay loyal and give the Autrian Oak a hit. Give yourself a new film besides AVATAR 2, 3, 4....TRUE LIES 2 produced by Cameron, directed by Verhoeven. What a violent masterpiece....

  • May 7, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    kakii

    by Mr. Anderson

    You're right, James Cameron makes movies nobody wants to see. That's probably why Avatar was such a box office disappointment.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Cameron should be egocentric and arrogant

    by Rupee88

    If he wasn't, he couldn't have made Titantic and Avatar. And who cares if they are "overrated'. they are two very entertaining films in a Hollywood filled with mostly shit. It's funny with people criticize him for making films that "are not as good as other people say"...wgas..they are damn good films. But he is the mfing man and should be arrogant.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Battle. Angel.

    by Brian

    If he doesn't deliver Battle Angel I will not watch Avatar. Simple as that. His tech people better do double prep and AT LEAST hand Alita off to someone who cares. "The Avatar" business? I don't like the sound of that.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    True Lies 2!

    by Amazing Maurice

    Tom Arnold gotta eat.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Dances with Smurfs 2??? (please read)

    by Joe

    I'm with you Kidd, While I thought "Avatar" was a great film, I didn't think it was "OMFG" stupendous of a film. I'm curious to see what he'll do with 2,3 and possibly 4. But i know by 3 he'll be hurtin' for cash and will most likely do Battle Angel and other films. I just don't think it was 'all that'. I mean ok so you have two of the highest grossing films of all time. Good on you Jim. But get that fucking stick out of your ass, you're not a fucking god even if you did go into a sumbersible mini-me submarine. I wish someoen would slap Jim back to reality. Shit, I can't beleive i'm actually starting to dislike Jim Cameron! What has happened to my world?!?!? -Rex

  • May 7, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Don't see the confusion ??

    by giger167

    Keep making them until people stop watching them, it's pretty simple lol. The first one made a gazillion dollars, Cameron doesn't give a flying fuck what the nerd minority think, he just wants to finance his subs to go through the earths core and find a lost dinosaur civilization. Three more films and he will retire to some off world moon with Richard Branson and sleep in a house made from gold ingots :)

  • May 7, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    I am actually happy to hear this!!!

    by billF

    I really enjoyed Avatar and I am glad to hear he will be continuing the saga and concentrating solely on this franchise.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Hopefully that means ...

    by Tom Fremgen

    The movies and world will be more interesting and better. I don't think the first movie was overrated- it scores a 83 on Rotten Tomates- and most people here so to hate it. IMO- it was a decent sci-fi film with amazing production values. I'm not interested in another film, but if James has a more interesting story in mind, then ok I'll show up.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Box office means nothing....

    by Kakii

    ...as they still keep making shit Resident Evil movies because people still go to see them. Plus if you read my post I was actually saying its a shame we are losing a talented director to just one franchise of movies. I love True Lies, Terminator and especially Aliens. I just think he's wasted on just doing Avatar, put that sort of effort into another Terminator or even a new sci fi or action movie rather than on more dances with Smurfs.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Tim "film by numbers" Burton

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Hey man, Sleepy Hollow, Big Fish, and Sweeney Todd are better than anything Cameron has directed since 1991! And hell, if we're going back that far, Ed Wood is better than anything Cameron has directed period!

  • Like "Worst movie ever made" or "piece of shit" or blah blah blah.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST

    AVAPHWOAR.

    by Dirkblack

  • May 7, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Didnt he just say BATTLE ANGEL was still a priority for him?

    by Logan_1973

    Jeez Jim...shit or get off the pot.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Mr Anderon

    by Deep Roots

    You are correct sir.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST

    *anderson

    by Deep Roots

  • May 7, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    My 2 least favorite things about movies. 3-D and CGI.

    by Ironhelix

    As far as I am concerned, Cameron (like Lucas) is dead to me.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Whattacunt!

    by chuffsterUK

    Come on Jim,do some R-Rated sci-fi or action,not more of this shite!

  • May 7, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Avatar sucked

    by Batmangelo

    Don't get me wrong visually it was a cinematic achievement but the story fucking sucked and apparently camerons views on the world are kinda outdated since he used the script from Pocahontas to write his movie these movies are going to be terrible he should take other peoples scripts cus he can't write for shit

  • May 7, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Big Fish, Ed Wood..

    by Kakii

    .. Ill give you those and maybe even Batman but he just vomits up the same shit time after time and wastes his potential, I just find having nearly every movie shades of black and white with splodges of red extremely boring. If he gave us more films like Ed Wood and Big Fish then I could have some respect for him. I just hate to see people wasting their potential and becoming lazy.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    911 didn't kill TRUE LIES 2, Cameron did!!!

    by ABking

    Fox funds it---maybe with 80-100 mil budget (check); Cameron produces, easy blockbuster worldwide action rated R hit (check); Arnold and Cameron teaming up again giving fans what they've wanted since the first TRUE LIES (check); make a kick ass spy film to outdo CASINO ROYAL (check).....why isn't Cameron wanting to make this sequel is the real question??? Fuck the excuse that 911 killed TRUE LIES. Bond and Harry Tasker are the same, so no stupid excuses anymore. Jim should give the rights to make TRUE LIES 2 to Arnold and have Arnie get someone who wants to direct a spy film that kicks ass. Watch THE EXPENDABLES 2 trailer again and get excited for what TRUE LIES 2 could be...

  • May 7, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST

    The Avatar hate on the internet

    by Nerd Rage

    Is a bit much...I thought the message was noble and the visual effects were groundbreaking. There are far worse things you could spend your time watching that are released on a weekly basis.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Who underestimates a James Cameron sequel?

    by Nerd Rage

    Who does that?

  • May 7, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST

    re:brightgeist

    by Ingeld

    I think you overstate your case in regard to human beings screwing up the environment. Certainly we are the dominant species and have affected our environment, but then we are doing nothing more than our biological imperative--reproduce and survive as much as we can--what every species would do. We are extremely successful at it. What do we owe other species? Without reference to a deity, what moral imperative exists that says we must not allow other species to die out--that we should not alter our environment at the expense of other species? As long as we ensure our survival, why should we care? (I do, but I base this on my ethics based on religious beliefs.) The irony here is that Cameron who is a staunch atheist, I believe, simply replaces worship of God with worship of nature. While he may see worship of nature as better for humanity, it is nevertheless as vulnerable to the same criticism that undermines theism. Nature is a human construct founded on some kind of artificial binary assumption about ourselves and the world that is not us. There is humanity, and what is not humanity is nature. We must somehow forge a relationship with this thing called nature--get back to it somehow. The notion of a relationship implies all the anthropomorphic baggage of theism which I assume Cameron rejects in that instance. In short, there is only the natural world, how could we have ever left it? How could we ever disentangle ourselves to the point we need to get back in harmony with it? BTW, you point about economy in the other post was a good one!

  • May 7, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    by batfunk

    The man is deluded. Titanic was mediocre romantic tosh, Avatar was 'watch-once' boring and True Lies was abysmal! Let him play with his toys and make lots of money with Avatar. A serious film maker he is NOT. WHY NOT GIVE THE MONEY TO DOUGLAS TRUMBULL OR GUILLERMO DEL TORO FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

  • May 7, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Does this mean SCHWARZENEGGER in AVATAR 2, 3, 4???

    by ABking

    If Cameron is to make only AVATAR 2, 3 and 4, will ARNOLD play a Col. Quaritch type for the next 3 sequels????

  • May 7, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    CAMERON PROFIT AND GREED

    by John Hughes

    BRIGHTGEIST, I always marvel at the blindess and hypocracy exhibited by the Resourced Based Economy folk. It is ONLY because Cameron made such PROFITS from his movies that he is able to "call the shots" as you say. It is also interesting that "Profit" is only a dirty word for "right wing" companies and not for the Soros and Cameron's of the world. "Profit" is not a dirty word. Capitalism, like any other economic system, has its flaws. But there is a middle ground wherein unbridled capitalism is restrained and bounded by environmental and worker protection laws to the betterment of all society. I also find it highly disengenuous that often times those who decry the evils of capitalism merrily tweet away on their iPhones made by slave trade in China. I see a lot of finger pointing and not much personal accountability.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    People don't necessarily hate on Avatar cause it's unoriginal...

    by Darth Macchio

    ..I think it's cause, apart from the stunning visuals, it's basically a bit boring. I find it odd that people attack the reasons given for not liking something without stopping long before you get to the point of even asking... What does it matter? Cameron made a movie. Lots of people love it and lots of people don't. Why should it matter the reasons why they love it or don't? If you hate it cause you don't like people with beards...who gives a shit? Now, if the *only* reason you dislike Avatar is cause it's similar to things like "Dances with Wolves" well then I'm guessing you're not being fully honest as that's not really a complete reason. Doesn't answer the question if it was good or not. Lots of stuff can be great, even superb, and still be completely unoriginal. But then I also don't see why someone wouldn't just say what they feel either. I loved Avatar's visuals, could watch those aspects again and again...but the moment I put my brain into appreciating the story and trying to be immersed within it, I'm immediately pulled out my affection for the visuals by Cameron's cartoon villains and his unlikely-stretched-to-ridiculous parallels to this planet and cultures. The message, while I think a worthy/good one, is blunt and heavy-handed and made all the more pretentious by those same "mustache twisting" cartoon-ish villains. And Cameron's going back to that world and never leaving? Well, that sucks then, doesn't it? Maybe once the film tech is an afterthought and not such a focus for the process, he'll get back to treating story as paramount to the entire undertaking's point.

  • It's fucked up how Ridley Scott did an ALIEN prequel---not above him---but Cameron shits on his own property and won't even fix what McG has done and make T5 with Arnold. The rights owner would probably suck is dick for him to direct T5. She would do it no doubt. Cameron has gone crazy with no TRUE LIES 2 or TERMINATOR 5...all for AVATAR 2,3, 4....

  • May 7, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    He'll change his mind.

    by jellypop

    Some young whizz will pen a screenplay that will remind Cameron of himself when he was younger and wax lyrical about the content and how it tasks risks etc and then he'll produce it. It happens all the time.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    No one cares anymore

    by yubnubrocks

    No one talks about this movie anymore. Next!

  • May 7, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    "Ill Be Bluuue!!"

    by Kakii

    "Give me your clothes, your mechs and Smurfette!"

  • May 7, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Thin script, thick CGI = big BO, so Jimbo can fund

    by kabong

    Challenger Deep dive and Planetary Resources. <p> Movies are for morons, and the most moronic movies make the most money. <p> There will be no complicated dialogue or complicated plot for any movie aiming at the international market.

  • May 7, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Cameron doesn't want to do another Terminator movie

    by Volllllume3

    He himself said it ended with T2. Future is what me make for ourselves yadayada Let that fucking franchise rot, it's D-E-A-D.

  • May 7, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST

    People are fucking deluded if they think Avatar 2 is going to flop.

    by Volllllume3

    Deluded. Be sorry that he doesn't want to do anything else, but don't fucking underestimate his passion for Avatar.

  • May 7, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST

    The TERMINATOR well is dry. Has been since 1992.

    by Mr. Anderson

    Two fantastic, classic movies, and that's it. There is no T3 and T4.

  • May 7, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST

    POCAHONTAS/FERNGULLY/DANCES WITH WOLVES

    by DrGogol

    Ugh. If you're still complaining about the similarities between Avatar and classic tropes of sci-fi, then you really need to re-evaluate whether or not the genre is for you. You loved Avengers, Billy. Did you notice that it had the familiar "Heroes meet, fight, then team up to fight a common enemy" trope? Why are you not biotching about that?

  • May 7, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST

    There are alot of Directions Cameron Can go...

    by Ebixby

    It doesn't have to be about Jake Sully.. Some cliche Scenarios: The Navi get invaded by other aliens/ other races from pandora. or We Jump a few hundred years into the future where the Navi are now technologically advanced and some new form of society is perverting the old ways and ruining the planet or a prequel of the first navi to ever ride the last shadow and how he bacame the leader. There are a million ways to tackle this, but the important thing is that the universe expands and becomes more than dances with wolves 2.

  • May 7, 2012, 12:07 p.m. CST

    this is terrible news

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    How can a director consistently grow and nurture their talent if they retreat to their bubble like this? Didn't do George Lucas any good did it? AVATAR was so 'meh' without the technical accomplishments, I can't believe it's going to be good for one sequel let alone another two after that.

  • May 7, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST

    It's a tedious and unoriginal film...

    by TheLastCleric

    That’s why so many of us dislike the film. I love everything else Cameron has ever done, including Titanic, but I consider Avatar not merely mediocre but downright bad. It’s a dishwater-dull story with a wasted cast and the film didn’t contain a single original beat. I have no problem with something being derivative but Cameron took that one step beyond and made a film that was nothing more than a collection of tired tropes. At every juncture he had the technology and money to make something cerebral and divergent and instead he made the equivalent of a low-brow Disney cartoon. The film looks even worse when considering that in that same year we got two brilliant genre entries, District 9 and Moon respectively. Hell, take a look at the Prometheus trailer and tell me Cameron didn’t piss away an incredible opportunity.

  • May 7, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST

    T5 with Arnold? In the name of Ash and 3-boobed mutant strippers, why?

    by Darth Macchio

    Seriously. The dude is 65 years old. How can he fit into a Terminator story and why squeeze him in there? You don't seriously expect people to buy a semi-geriatric Terminator, do you? Terminator, to this day, is one of my favorite movies and I was a big Arnie fan from day one but Arnie's involvement in Terminator is just done at this point. It would be pathetic to cast him in this franchise now, acting in a Terminator role, and even more stupid to cast him in as a human who becomes the inspiration or whatever for any Terminator. He's fine right where's he's at - dropping lame one-liners, expending thousands of rounds of ammo, and blowing shit up in Expendables2. The man's a legend - it's ok, he'll be fine.

  • May 7, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Look at all that Chedder

    by Ingeld

    It must be what Cameron sees when he imagines all these Avatar movies. The truth is, as much as I love cheese, I think the first one had enough. Who needs or really wants a steady diet of it?

  • May 7, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Meanwhile, I still don't have The Abyss on Blu-Ray.

    by TaisonX

    Hurry the fuck up with it.

  • May 7, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST

    TERMINATOR 5 directed by JAMES CAMERON

    by ABking

    If Cameron himself doesn't watch the opening of his own T2 in the future wars and doesn't drool over how epic that was in 1991....and wants to make one more EPIC scale T5 with pal Schwarzenegger, then he has his head so far up his ass it's no longer funny. I can't wait for AVATAR 2, but why not announne his return to the Terminator universe by saying he will direct T5 with ARNOLD!!!!

  • May 7, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST

    brightgeist

    by Winston Smith

    Do you recognize the irony of your statement? Because Avatar made so much money, Cameron might be able to move people away from a monetary based society? Are you fucking kidding me? Alien worlds are one of my favorite things so yes, I enjoyed Avatar, but the pretentiousness here is amazing. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's popularity will lead to anything more than popularity for popularity's sake. And Avatar has helped to show sci-fi makes money (I do agree, if Avatar and District 9 weren't hits we might not be seeing Prometheus). Look at Kony 2012, for example. So cool it with that shit. Also, regarding stories, YES... technically nothing is "original." It's the way a story is told, the mood it has. And Avatar storywise is basically a kids movie. Nothing wrong with that, but there was nothing original in it - either in the actual plot, or the way the story was told. The visuals and world is what people were there for. There's nothing wrong with that, but call a spade a spade. Eitherway, I'd like to see more of Pandora... the guides for it were much more interesting regarding fauna and the world, I thought the actual movie felt like too many of the animals were lizard-ified mammal species from Earth, I want to see floating jellyfish and weird looking creatures that are truly alien. Mass Effect does a better job I think of making me feel like I'm in an alien world, even though it still borrows many "earth" ideas design-wise.

  • May 7, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Also...

    by Winston Smith

    Avatar 2 will make a ton of money, but it's true, nobody really does talk about it anymore. But it doesn't matter. It's a money-maker. When trailers for #2 come out, people will be like, can't wait to see more of that world. But as for movies people talk about, yeah BO does not = staying power, never has never will. More people talk about District 9 now than Avatar. Prometheus likely will be one of the most talked about movies of the year though it won't get close to Hobbit/Avengers/DKR numbers.

  • May 7, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    PROMETHEUS should have Jim thinking TERMINATOR again

    by ABking

    Look how epic Ridley Scott has made a new ALIEN film look. Isn't Cameron drooling to make a new TERMINATOR sequel along with AVATAR 2 to 4???? Cameron told Arnie there are many more stories to be told with his T-800 character....so make a fucking T5 with ARNOLD already.

  • Face it, buddy: the first one did so well because of you did the 3D in a way nobody really did in a mainstream film. People wanted to see the 3D...not the movie. Fact is: Your story was not very good and as a 2D movie it could not be a bigger bore. Sooooooo....what makes you think ANYONE wants to see Avatar 3 or 4 or 5 or 9? Do you plan on upping the technology on every film? Are we going to have holograms by #5 and audience complete interaction and immersion by #9? If not...move on. Make some other movie, please.

  • May 7, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Too bad I don't give two fucks about Avatar

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    Not interested in seeing anymore big blue cat people unless they're fucking each other raw. Cameron's delusional, thinking we all want more of that shit. The first film was okay, but I don't know of anyone who is anxiously awaiting a sequel to it. Come down off the clock tower Jim, this is madness I tell you, madness.

  • May 7, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST

    I don't believe this for one second...

    by Mr.Macphisto

    He's a filmmaker and a story teller. He will be bored out of his mind of this universe by the 3rd film and ready to move onto a new challenge, whether in film or science. Trust me.

  • May 7, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Oh great. Jim's lost the plot.

    by shane peterson

    .

  • May 7, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Who says it has to be on Pandora with the blue monkeys?

    by Mark FitzGerald

    I think the point of "Avatar" is that the words meaning represents the idea that each movie could be its own story. If they have the technology to recreate aliens, why not other humans, or OTHER aliens "The Corporation" encounters on its journey's to milk the galaxy of all its resources?!?! Perhaps the next chapter is a different main character, planet, etc. etc. Fuck why not just go ALL OUT and have an ALIEN(s) universe Avatar?! Best way to infiltrate the hive will be to look like a bug, right? ;-)

  • May 7, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Grammar Nazi corrections:

    by Mark FitzGerald

    *word's meaning *technology to recreate the Navi, :)

  • May 7, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Yeah but Jim Cameron changes his mind a lot.

    by Jaster Mareel

    What was it, two weeks ago he was saying anyone would only get Battle Angel Alita =from my cold dead hands=? And that he had every intention of doing it after the back-to-back shoots of Avatar 2&3? Now he's just going all George Lucas and just spinning off Avatar sequels and merchandising for the rest of his life. I mean, Avatar was great.....but very UNLIKE when I saw the first Star Wars....I'm feeling pretty done with Pandora. Been there, done that. So although it felt like there were infinitely more stories to tell in teh Star Wars universe, I'm not feeling it for Avatar. There are no far-reaching implications from the Avatar story. There are not faraway wars and alien civilizations referenced in Avatar. So it sort of seems doomed to repeat the formula. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts the Earth forces retaliate, which is why the Na'Vi go underwater a la the Gungans. Then the whole cycle will start all over again. But then again the story of Avatar was pretty damn basic, and yet told so well and inventively that we didn't care. At least most of us didn't.

  • May 7, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    xmarkfitzx, I like your thinking, but you know that'll never happen

    by Jaster Mareel

    I mean, it goes without saying this will having nothing to do with Aliens, but even the idea of going to other worlds, etc. That's not the Avatar brand, so Fox isn't going to take a chance with that. However I'm sure the technology will continue to grow and be used in unexpected ways in the sequels.

  • Preach it, Jim!

  • A Cameron Battle Angel movie would be cool but we're going to have to wait another decade for it. If he has any semblance of a script for it, he should hand it over to someone. Maybe Blomkamp or Duncan Jones.

  • May 7, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Before you die Mr. Cameron

    by HamburgerEarmuffs

    Please make another serious balls out action/scifi film, ala Aliens and the Terminator.

  • May 7, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Worst News Ever

    by CuervoJones

    Now I hate Prometheus http://collider.com/at-the-mountains-of-madness-prometheus/164548/

  • May 7, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST

    I get making sequels since much of the art and tech is done, but...

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Man, he better have some good story ideas kicking around if he plans on directing. Even if you didn't like the first movie, there's a nice canvas to work with. I'm just not sure if anybody will care if it's Sam and the Enviromentalists vs. Evil Corporation Tree Killers... only this time with baby Avatars in tow.

  • May 7, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Oh he's absolutely obligated to make the sequels

    by Jaster Mareel

    Fox wouldn't have foot the bill to build all that tech otherwise.

  • May 7, 2012, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Avatar is the worst thing Cameron has ever done

    by darthvedder81

    I include Piranha 2 in that statement. 3 more of these? What a waste.

  • May 7, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Stop lying liars...

    by Andrew Coleman

    "I fell asleep during Avatar!"... "I'm not seeing the second one!"... This trend on AICN is really sad. If something becomes popular or makes money... A wave of people slam it hard and try to grind the movie's fans or filmmakers. You're not making a point or being clever. Most of the ranting hate here just makes me roll my eyes. Problem is you people are so pathetic you will see the second one anyway. Why because the two real friends you have will hit you up and be like "We're seeing Avatar 2 tonight!"... You'll have to go. They're your only two friends.... So stop lying and making shit up about why you "didn't like Avatar" when you probably saw it four or five times. It's pathetic.

  • Yes the movie was unoriginal as hell and that I can forgive. Because we live in a remake / sequel genre now. But damn that movie was boring as hell and literally put me to sleep. Dude linked up with the blue body, and next thing I know he's banging the blue chick in trees. Then I wake up and there's a few things exploding. The movie was boring as hell.

  • May 7, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Can't blame him, Avatar sequels=Billions

    by Randy

    He does this, he would make around 600 million off them alone. Also, Cameron is a sequel God.

  • May 7, 2012, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Fine with me!

    by venvariants

    Seriously cool news. Great stuff - keep em coming!

  • May 7, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    @myphdisdoom

    by TheMachinist

    Just...deal with it. Trolling is a art, and society needs to learn how to ignore it.

  • May 7, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Bottom line.....

    by DANGER_DIABOLIK_

  • May 7, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Bottom line.....

    by DANGER_DIABOLIK_

  • May 7, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Bottom line, James Cameron....

    by DANGER_DIABOLIK_

    .....is - potentially, George Lucas Mark 2...and you know why. Sure, Avatar was fun...but great???!!! Nope. Not even close. Just another 'Matrix' and 'Pirates' scenario......

  • May 7, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Wow! Never thought I'd say this...

    by Tim Tringle

    But Cameron is starting to sound a little bit like George Lucas in these snippets. Guess I'll have to read the entire article. Cause really hope that's not true.

  • May 7, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    wrath_of_fett, um FOX made quite a bit of bank

    by Tim Tringle

    That's why they foot the bill to make that gear, if in fact you are correct about that. Either way the movie made quite enough for them to shut the hell up and let Cameron do what he wants. And since the man can make gold out of celluloid they should remain hands off if they know what's good for them, and by good I mean gobs of cash.

  • May 7, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    After perusing these posts, retrospectively and thoroughly....

    by DANGER_DIABOLIK_

    ....I can honestly say there are a lot of people with a 'hard-on' for Cameron......(rightly or wrongly - albeit, mostly wrongly)....

  • Jim really does see himself as some sort of 21st century Eco-Messianic force; even if he himself doesn't practice what he preaches. Despite what JC thinks it is, and despite what he believes people got out of it, in reality it is nothing but easily digested eye candy for an easily entertained world. I fucking Love James...his fucking Ego is vastly more entertaining than any film he has made in the last 20 years.

  • May 7, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST

    He's gone mad

    by I am_NOTREAL

    Avatar = The Spruce Goose Too many deep dives, Mr. Cameron.

  • May 7, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Me? Happy to hear this...

    by Ninja Nerd

    I liked Avatar and the 3D wasn't awful. Wasn't a raving fanboi, but liked the movie in spite of "Dances with Smurfs" overtones. Bought the Collector's Edition Blu-ray recently and the extra 16 minutes actually made this a somewhat better movie for me. So I would like to see more stories from the Avatar universe.

  • May 7, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST

    You over entitled punks need to do a self check...

    by Tim Tringle

    You all went to see Avatar and you fucking well know it. You all liked it, but the minute it became the biggest movie ever your generations built in hipster better than thou attitude showed up. Get the hell over yourselves. Sure the story was not super original, but to be honest, hitbot from the past to save the future wasn't exactly groundbreaking either. It's how cameron as usual put it together, and at the same time pushed the edge of Sci-Fi and film making tech at the same time. You'll see the sequels no matter how many he makes. And for all you morons that want T5 with Arnie, STFUP, nobody wants a fat ass arnie playing the terminator. I love Arnold so don't get that wrong, but he really needs to stick to parts that fit his now aging reality. I'm sure he can still be a bad ass, but Terminator, I don't think so.

  • May 7, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    oh for fu- FOUR OF THE DAMN THINGS?!?!

    by thekylegassproject

    wasn't the one enough? do something with a little more edge, jim. something that isn't so family-friendly and easy for the majority to digest...

  • May 7, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Next up, Cameron tries to "marry" Avatar in City Hall

    by I am_NOTREAL

    "I don't need a woman, I have AVATARRRRR!!!"

  • There is a damned good chance, that with the novelty worn off the Avatar toy..that people may not flock to it as they did with the 1st.

  • May 7, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Cameron is dead to me now.

    by Darth_Kaos

    at least all of his shit post Titanic and on. What a fuckin' waste of talent. However, there could be a chance he's bullshiting, and will finally make another film worthy to have his name stamped on, instead of the CGI crap he's been yacking out.

  • May 7, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Plot for Avatar 2

    by conspiracy

    Humans come back in force...begin systematic slaughter of the Na'vi; rounding them up and forcing them onto restricted reservations...many Na'vi die during this through murder, starvation and exposure...the film ends with what is left of them sitting around, plugged into Pandora, and drowning themselves in their altered reality as Pandora changes around them.

  • May 7, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    IP as a platform

    by Dreamfasting

    It's amazing to hear a creative person say they've found found a platform for everything they will want to say for the foreseeable future. It's feels like an old-fashioned mindset about an IP - it's not an end in itself so much as the home in which his imagination now works. I have to admit I really admire that attitude.

  • May 7, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Did the toys sell?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    I mean, I know my kid got the happy meal toys, but did anybody rush out and get the retail toys? It's obvious there would be sequels and they won't John Carter bomb, but it just seems like an almost guarenteed drop with the allure of 3D done well the first time and a return to the same world. Somebody said Pirates and Matrix. It seems totally like that, only those movies were both coming off basically a "surprise" hit, not an obvious summer blockbuster. There's an obvious need to pump these out before interest gets stale, but I just don't see there being four of these unless the stories really knock it out of the park.

  • May 7, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Uh oh. Here comes the Cameron pulpit.

    by MoistMuskyCamelToe

    The last thing I want is pedantry from the Avatar movies. And three more? One was enough. Just. Tell. Good. Stories. No parables or "learning moments" needed. I just want to be entertained.

  • May 7, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    You know...

    by thebastard

    Avatar was pretty. That's about it, it wasn't particularly engaging. The characters lacked any real depth. I mostly was hoping to see some alien boobs in 3D, but that shit didn't happen. I hope one day his arrogance deflates and he can go back to making movies that are actually fun to go see.

  • May 7, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Plot for Avatar 3

    by conspiracy

    Jump forward a few decades...the Na'vi, now a beaten species, begin to watch the Humans..and see a pattern in their behaviors. One of the Na'vi, more in tune with the Humans than the rest of the savages...hatches a plan to restore their species and exact revenge on the Humans infesting their lands. Gutting the rotting hulk of the big tree...he and his Na'vi band install hundreds of small rooms, learn to cook Human style food, and play Human style games; they teach their Na'vi women to ape human females...especially the fixation on reproductive activities. Within a few months the Na'vi open the first of it's kind off Earth business..."Na'vi Sun", charging bits of Unobtanium to enjoy the various diversions contained within, which they then sell back to the company in exchange for the right to buy back their lands. The film ends with the Na'vi wealthy, squandering their vast wealth for all manner of human like diversions, having taken on the traits of their one time masters, and building more and more Na'vi Suns to satisfy the vulgar tastes of the ever increasing numbers of human visitors and to satisfy their own insatiable greed.

  • May 7, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST

    "Avatar"

    by torpedoboy

    is garbage.

  • May 7, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Good grief

    by dagwood

    The first one (if anyone has watched it lately) doesn't age well. Can't imagine anyone seeing a second, let alone a third.

  • May 7, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Nado

    by Charlie_Allnut

    Who gives a fucking rats ass what my political party is??? I think liberal socialists are deranged morons but who gives a shit what I think? It's irrelevant. My point IS I don't want to see preachy fucking political action movies that try to brainwash people to support either side of the political spectrum. I want one of my favorite directors to start giving us great stories again instead of overhyped garbage. But once again me bitching on this site is useless, but it does feel good to vent.

  • May 7, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST

    ttringle, you are dead wrong.

    by TheLastCleric

    I did go and see the film opening night because, despite my misgivings at the boring trailer, I loved everything else Cameron had helmed. After watching it I walked away disappointed and never gave the film a second look. It was a subpar effort from a great director and given the established mythos there’s no way I’d see any sequels. Also, I’m not by any means a contrarian, rallying against successful ventures. When I learned that The Avengers made 200 million this weekend, I was happy because it’s a damn good movie and deserves the success.

  • There's a big difference between EVERYONE being curious enough about it to go see it (and pay 30% more for your ticket to rent 3-D glasses for 3 hours) and the much smaller percentage of fans who were so enamored of it that they would pay money to see "the further adventures of" a story that basically already reached a logical narrative conclusion in the first film. Cameron's only hope now is to appeal to the Avatar "junkies" who are "chasing the dragon" and trying to replicate their first heroin high. For them, the plot in incidental. They just want to see the effects. Avatar 2 only has to be a good "special effects demo reel" because that's the primary thing that appeals to his prospective audience for these sequels. Avatar 2: The Phantom Menace. Avatar 3: Attack of the Clones Avatar 4: Revenge of the Sith Cameron, you've got plenty of money. More than you'll ever need. You've had the #1 all-time box office champ record TWICE. You can continue to make movies you think are good or you can pursue the Dark Side like George Lucas did and do it just for the money. Which will you choose? Go down in history as a great filmmaker, or forever sully your good name by making shit sequels? What's more important to you? You work in Hollywood, so obviously ego comes into play. It's not enough to be fantastically successful. You have to be MORE successful than everyone else, right? You'll never match George Lucas's dynasty because you can't catch the merchandising lightning in a bottle like he did with the SW movies. But you want your Avatar movies to be a long franchise like the SW saga? The same "sheer force of will" you use to get movies made doesn't work on consumers. You can't "will them" to slavishly buy every Avatar product that hits the shelves or the screen. Lucas can/could, but he had timing on his side. We're a more cynical society now have been down this road before and often been burned by it. I worry that Cameron is like the TSA -- he'll use tomorrow's technology to try to capture yesterday's fan fascination.

  • May 7, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    For crying out loud, you're all THINKING TOO SMALL

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Reading through the comments, I keep seeing a repeated concept that is summed up as: "Yeah, I guess a sequel MIGHT be good, so long as it's not another Fern Gully movie or Dances with Wolves Part 2." For crying out loud, you're all thinking TOO SMALL. Avatar took place in fucking outer space. On another fucking planet. To get there you had to use fucking space ships, and once you got there you had people using Mech battle suits and all sorts of other cool shit. The point being that when Cameron makes a statement that the future films will be his "comment" on our world overall, and what he thinks is happening or what needs to be changed... blah, blah, blah (insert political commentary here)... when he says something like THAT he's clearly indicating that the overall SCOPE of these films are going to get bigger and bigger and BIGGER. Possibly interplanetary. So just because it's called "Avatar" doesn't mean it always has to take place on the same planet -- Avatar can simply be the "brand name" for the films. And even if the subsequent films do take place on Pandora, I still trust that Cameron has a much broader concept in mind than "Hey, let's have the blue furry things protect the forest again. And then again. And maybe a fourth time as well." The guy is a fucking genius. He may be an raging arrogant ego case too, but there's no denying that his creative film output has always been fantastic at bringing solid ideas and kick ass visuals to the screen. So, I'm sure he knows he has to "up" the ante in Avatar 2 and that expectations will be high. However, given Cameron's mind, I'm sure he's already got some amazing shit planned. Hell, even if he does just make 2 more action flicks, I'm sure he'll manage to create an actual GOOD trilogy that completely holds together unlike so many others that dropped the ball in one way or another.

  • May 7, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Cameron's gone off his rocker

    by atlatl

  • Which sucks because they're Cameron's two weakest movies.

  • The Star Wars prequels had spaceships, funny suits, weapons, and scope, but they were all terrible, terrible movies because they didn't have an interesting story to tell. And whatever might have been interesting about them was executed in a very uninteresting way. Cameron might have the ABILITY to make more Avatar films but unless they contain good stories no one is gonna give two shits about them. At least no one over the age of 14 will. "Scope" has always been there. It's been available to every storyteller EVER. Don't kid yourself into believing that scope alone is enough to make a movie good. Story, story, story. That's all that matters. Or at least it USED to before half the public became brain-dead.

  • May 7, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST

    " I’m not interested in taking scripts." Ya, but at least...

    by tangcameo

    ...learn to write better dialogue. PLEASE!

  • And you already know how and why they grossed so much: marketing and hype. "Avatar" was aided by the fact that the extra $3 added to each ticket for using the 3-D glasses was counted as part of the grosses, so it automatically boosted the grosses by about 30-40 percent right out of the gate. "Avengers" will benefit from the same strategy.

  • May 7, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Avatar is overrated bullshit

    by disfigurehead

    Yeah it made a billion. I don't get it.

  • May 7, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Audience drop off

    by oogles

    These movies will no doubt do big business but I would have to think there would be a significant drop off with each film. I don't know a single person who loved the original. The attraction was the 3D spectactle. He is basically saying "my self indulgence has completely taken over".

  • May 7, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    No Battle Angel?!? Fuck you, Jim.

    by Stalkeye

    Yeah stick to those Smurfs in Space sagas. I could care less b/c all I know is that The Avengers are kicking all kinds of ass.(Hmmmm..better story, better dialogue and way better action scenes as well as character development.Jimbo, you got served!) So I'll glady avoid paying to see any further films based on your most overrated film since the Titanic. Only god thing that came out of Avatar, was the reintroduction of the 3D phase. And nothing more.

  • May 7, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    This is sad news

    by hallmitchell

    To think a guy so talented is going to end his career making AVATAR films. Boring!

  • May 7, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    i concur, darth_kaos what a waste of talent.

    by Stalkeye

    Great Potentual untapped.

  • May 7, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Fuck BATTLE ANGEL

    by slone13

    Are people still going on about that?

  • May 7, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Who hates AVATAR?

    by Rick Webb

    Granted, Worthington is as weak (as he is in everything he does) as the storyline, but if you weren't impressed with the visuals, I cannot help you.

  • May 7, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Fuck you

    by vetepalapinga

  • May 7, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST

    The visuals in 3D, of course

    by Rick Webb

  • May 7, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Saw it for the first time on TV last evening

    by ObiBen

    It was much, much worse than I thought. Cotton candy puke in a cheap, made in China Walmart multicolored toy box kinda bad.

  • ...cuz that's what it sounds like. Humans suck. Human companies suck more.

  • That floating-then-sinking turd is infuriating.

  • with the help of one of the Earth's most prolific and shameless polluters. If I ever took Cameron's tree-hugging seriously, I'd be offended. But I'm not.

  • May 7, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    LOL, so Avatar is now propaganda to some of you?

    by kidicarus

    Yeah, the lesson to conserve natural resources and value the spiritual connection to nature and creation is straight out of the Communist Manifesto. Did Rush Limbaugh create a profile on here or something?

  • May 7, 2012, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Fuck Avatar

    by PaulKersey

    It was nice for just one viewing...

  • May 7, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Big Dumb ape

    by kimbers

    i admire your optimism and yeah some good points cameron could in theory make 3 amazing high budget epic sci-fi badass masterpieces however he makes no secret of that fact these days hes all about saving us from ourselves, i think hes under the delusion that avatar made people start recycling their drinks cans or suddenly caring about rainforests all thats nice, but its not the kind of stuff i wanna go see at the cinema, buy on blu ray, watch on tv or even be bothered to torrent it

  • May 7, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST

    There is clearly an attempt to be provocative here. All pish.

    by borisdoris

  • May 7, 2012, 4:47 p.m. CST

    I liked Avatar; sad about Alita

    by bubcus

    I have no idea what he'll do for the next three installments, but the first one was a solid film. The downside of this news to me is it sounds like Battle Angel Alita is dead then. I was really looking forward to that.

  • May 7, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST

    I liked Avatar, but not as much as I liked Jackass

    by My best friend

  • May 7, 2012, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Avatar sucks

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    Global warming is a myth. It's a scam devised by central bankers who want power, profit, and control by implementing a global carbon trading racket. Wall-E sucks too ;) www.infowars.com

  • May 7, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Propaganda

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    James Cameron : quote/ but the point is I think within the “Avatar” landscape I can say everything I need to say that I think needs to be said, in terms of the state of the world and what I think we need to be doing about it. Wikipedia : Propaganda : Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position. www.infowars.com

  • about Avatar. I can't even put my finger on it... someone else here mentioned 'made in China Walmart', etc., so maybe I'm not the only one that feels this. Why does it make me think of cheap t-shirts at walmart and lonely cat ladies who want to live on Pandora? I enjoyed it a lot when it came out but holy shit, when I tried to watch it at home it bored me to tears. The 3D did a lot for it, I guess.

  • May 7, 2012, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Talkbackers gonna hate. I'll enjoy them, though.

    by Anti-fanboy

  • they ain't gonna make shit, I'll call it right now. Don't get me wrong, I'm almost happy Avatar shut naysayers the fuck up cause I like to see that happen, especially for people like James Cameron, but it was of a time and a particular moment and it rode that wave to mega success. But that moment is passed and will never come back. Not for the same kind of story. If the sequels are even remotely similar, I don't know that many people would give a shit. It's also quite possible we won't even see an Avatar 3 or 4 if the collective yawn is big enough. Cameron is usually much smarter than everyone else, though, so who knows what he has up his sleeve.

  • May 7, 2012, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Fuck! I guess no BATTLE ANGEL?

    by lv_426

    Maybe he will sell or release the rights to a filmmaker that is passionate about making a kick ass live action film adaptation of BATTLE ANGEL ALITA?

  • Although, I would wager Sir Ridley Scott would direct, or maybe be involved as executive producer in any Alien/Prometheus sequels, if there are any in the near future. I would love to know what exactly Sir Ridley and James Cameron were planning with their proposed post Resurrection Alien sequels that they were working on about a decade ago, then AvP came along and killed that collaboration. If I remember correctly, James Cameron was writing a treatment for one or two Alien sequels, and then he'd produce while Sir Ridley directed. It would love to see a PDF released of anything that was written down by Cameron concerning this aborted Alien project. It needs to be documented and put in the archive along with William Gibson's unused Alien III, as well as all the other Alien³ scripts that died an early death.

  • May 7, 2012, 6:09 p.m. CST

    So Basically

    by pr0g2west

    Cameron is saying that Avatar 2 will be successful. Because if it's not, thats one big matzo ball he will have to deal with. But im sure he will be successful. His films are safe, box-office locks.

  • Now that we know he won't do any more Aliens or Terminator films, if he were open to the idea, it would be awesome if someone could document Cameron's ideas on where to take TERMINATOR. That could help insure we get the best post Terminator Salvation sequel possible. Although, preferably a future war prequel that only treats T1 and T2 as canon would be the best route to take. I wonder if Cameron feels the same way about this? My guess would be that he does.

  • I'm trying to picture what Field of Dreams would be like set on Pandora. Maybe that is the prequel? You gotta build the mining colony before you ship the unobtanium back to Earth.

  • May 7, 2012, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Wasn't Avatar based on a Southpark episode?

    by Lloyd Fenton

  • May 7, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST

    This is fucking AWFUL

    by TopHat

    How can ANY film geek like the sound of this? James Cameron not making anymore movies except AVATAR. How boring and redundant. And its amazingly hypercritical: He keeps trying to suggest these movies do and are going to comment on the world and nature like some sort of important idea-changing gospels. The problem is, they're being made by 20th Century Fox. 20th Century Fox is owned by NewsCorp. NewsCorp owns many, many warmongering enterprises: Weapons factories, etc. And they own several environmentally destroying corporations as well. The money that's gained from the AVATAR movies doesn't just go back to Fox to create more movies, it also goes to NewsCorp. So, if you've seen or will see an AVATAR film in any way, you have and will contribute to everything those movies are supposedly speaking out against.

  • May 7, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST

    BATTLE ANGEL ALITA is not dead...

    by tailhook

    The stories and subject contained therein will as of now be poached and used in Avatar 2-4. If he can heist DWW and many other movies wholesale for the first Avatar, he can certainly work in something he allready owns the rights to with Battle Angel Alita. Everything he was planning to do will just be told within the context of the Avatar Storyline.

  • May 7, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST

    FUCK YOU, CAMERON! I'm not interested in your damn politics.

    by IronEagle74

    Just like I'm not interested in any other celebrity's politics. I don't go to see movies to be indoctrinated by political ideology.

  • May 7, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST

    He's allowed to do what he wants, its called free will... jeezus

    by Lloyd Fenton

  • May 7, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST

    And looking at the plot for Battle Angel Alita

    by tailhook

    looks like a rather easy fit into the Avatar universe with Alita and cyborgs being Earth's answer to the Navi. The 'scrapyard' being Pandora and rather than recovering memories, Alita is then used as a window into Future Earth, as the cyborgs will largely be controlled by Avatars.

  • May 7, 2012, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Still think Aliens vs Avatar would be the best

    by MurderMostFowl

    Can you imagine the carnage of a full on war of Humans + Avatars against Aliens born of Avatar hosts? Larger Aliens that are semi illuminated when they want to be, some of them the size of those rhinoceros dudes. Goddamn! I need a smoke just thinking about it.

  • Fuck that.

  • May 7, 2012, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Also, suffer haters! Suffer!

    by Jaka

    I too would watch Avatar 100 if he made that many.

  • May 7, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST

    He

    by bowtiehoon

  • May 7, 2012, 8:16 p.m. CST

    When he refers to the avatar sequels...

    by bowtiehoon

    He's prob not talking about direct sequels, he's prob trying to copying what Ridley Scott is doing with his aliens/blade runner stuff

  • May 7, 2012, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Fuck artistic integrity - we need to get China involved

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    There's a lot of money to be made, so let me see if I can squeeze them into my movies Classy

  • May 7, 2012, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Ugh

    by peter skellen

    Will always love James Cameron for The Terminator and Aliens - and parts of T2 - but what a waste of a career. Titanic and Avatar are both shit and he spent about 50 years making them.

  • Just sayin.

  • May 7, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Rewatched it last weekend. it was entertaining, but not remarkable.

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    Zoe Saldana's line reading is the best animation voice work I have ever heard in any media. She knocked it right out of the park in that movie.

  • May 7, 2012, 9 p.m. CST

    @ jawsfan

    by Christian Sylvain

    Shit is downright shameful, isn't it.

  • Well said.

  • May 7, 2012, 9:46 p.m. CST

    I'm on the side of the Cameron/Avaturd haters

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    But I'm holding out hope that he takes the various common criticisms to heart (not likely) and makes big improvements to Avatar 2. Primarily, the story/screenplay was not at all interesting to me in any way shape or form. Alright that's an overstatement but let's say that everything in-between the first 20 minutes and last 40 minutes was mind-numbingly tedious. All aspects beside the writing were technically astounding.

  • May 7, 2012, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Avaturd 2 and 3 are being shot together.

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

  • You can toss away what was once a great career of making peerless science-fiction actioners for your misguided and idiotic enviro-Nazi polemics, if that's REALLY what you want to do. As one of my t-shirts says, "Joss Whedon is my master now!" And a $207 million opening weekend domestic take (not to mention almost $650 million worldwide after a week of international release) says he's better at this than you are. Go away, Cameron. You bother me.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Cameron should resist the urge to make Avatar Waterworld

    by kabong

    or Avatar Titanic or Avatar Abyss or Avatar Challenger Deep . . .

  • May 7, 2012, 10:23 p.m. CST

    james cameron is now officially...

    by JaredP

    a hack. he has totally lost his shit with this romantic fucking pussy whipped crap

  • May 7, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Excellent TB

    by MrLongbaugh

    Lots of good comments and observations. I like Cameron...don't love him. Loved Aliens and T2. Liked alot of his other stuff. I do admire him. I think he is incredibly smart and ambitious. If he wants to spend his time and money exploring the oceans and space...more power to him. There are plenty of other writers, producers, and directors willing and wanting to make good movies. If he does stop making movies, I would at least hope that he doesn't tie up the rights so that some good sequels couldn't be made out of some of his original works.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:46 p.m. CST

    If this is just more Dances with Giant Smurfs count me out.

    by iakobos

    I'm not the least bit interested in any more of Cameron's eco-wako preaching wrapped in an, albeit, technically cutting edge sci-fi movie.

  • May 7, 2012, 10:55 p.m. CST

    I hope Avatar 4's *message*

    by gotilk

    revolves around a sacred plant that the Navi smoke in religious rituals. And the construction industry wants to build drug crime jails on Pandora. Also, they want to hire more prison guard Avatars in a massive *job creation scheme*. Meanwhile, President Orhama is accused of handing his friends big cash payouts under the guise of investment in a company that is attempting to extract electricity from Pandora's glowing plants using Rareashellium(TM)(C). All is exposed when the company tanks because another corporation on one of Pandora's moons** is undercutting the sales of *plant energy extractors* (PEEs) by charging less than the cost of constructing them. Orhama's opponents are exposed as liars when it is discovered that they actually invested in the company that was doing the undercutting. Will Jake Scully's PSA advertising campaign (as a non-profit completely separate from the Orhama campaign) help expose Orhama's opponents and their plot in time to get him re-elected? Too on the nose? ** On the Pandora moon, the Navi have wings and live in the clouds on floating platforms held aloft by large chunks of Hardtofindium(TM)(C) in a special mixture with Whatthefuckisthatium (TM)(C)(R).

  • The three-act structure puts a movie on a treadmill. Avatar is a good example of routine 'riting. Put some twists and surprises in movies.

  • May 8, 2012, 12:39 a.m. CST

    seriously, thank God for Wheddon

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    breathing some much-needed life into Hollywood.

  • May 8, 2012, 12:48 a.m. CST

    well....I would seriously hope he changes his

    by southafricanguy

    mind regarding BaTTLE Angel Alita.....I bought some of the Manga while on vacation in Japan, and they are awsome...would make a great movie imho......so I would hope he still gives that a shot, or picks a good director to take a crack at it if he is nt.....

  • May 8, 2012, 12:50 a.m. CST

    and Im curious what will happen with the

    by southafricanguy

    Terminator since the rights will automatically revert back to cameron in 2018.....will be interesting to see what Cameron does........I would happy if he just does nothing with it and simply prevents more shitty terminator filmns being made ala T3 and T4....*shudder*...

  • May 8, 2012, 12:51 a.m. CST

    as for True Lies 2...while I love that film (one of

    by southafricanguy

    the best action comedies ever made imho) I dont think we were ever going to see a another film as it was announced long ago thats its being developed as a tv Show......and if that is anyhwhere as good as T:TSCC......then Im all for that....

  • May 8, 2012, 12:54 a.m. CST

    But regardless...I agree with the Kidds assessment

    by southafricanguy

    while I did nt love Avatar...I did really like the "world" Cameron created and I liked the design of it all (really feels like watching Heavy metal magazine brought to life mixed with some Japanese Anime)......so I agree that if Cameron can marry a much stronger story/script to these sequals...then it could be something really cool imho.....

  • May 8, 2012, 12:55 a.m. CST

    and certainly.....I you think about it there are a lot

    by southafricanguy

    of ways for Avatar to have a very expanded universe that involves all the other moons......so I think at least a lot of possibilities for what can be done....

  • May 8, 2012, 12:57 a.m. CST

    and given Cameron's track record with sequals

    by southafricanguy

    (Aliens and T2 still being 2 of the best ever made imho...should be studied as examples of how to make sequals) I am willing to give Cameron the benefit of the doubt here........If anything...the man knows how to make a sequal by realy upping everything and making a film set in the same world, but have it be a very different movie.....

  • May 8, 2012, 1:36 a.m. CST

    RIP James Cameron

    by obi12kenobi

    The film maker we loved is gone... No Battle Angel... Avatar is so meh.

  • May 8, 2012, 1:46 a.m. CST

    I thought Avatar was going to bomb

    by Jared Bond

    And I still think it wouldn't have done nearly as well if it weren't for the 3D thing. Well played, Mr. Cameron. Doesn't matter if it looked shitty and was way expensive, people are so desperate for something new at the movies that they accepted it as a revelation. I only know of three people, personally, who really liked that film. 2 old ladies in their 60s, and 1 college student from China. What do these demographics have in common? 1) Dazzled by anything "new" and "cutting edge", and 2) The most banal sense of taste. I do believe Cameron's heart is in it, but I think this is just what happens when people get old.

  • solely due to Joss Whedon's screenplay, while Aliens is total shit and needs a reboot because James Cameron made it and it shouldn't be official canon. Oh, and don't forget Speed. That one is better than The Matrix because Joss Whedon worked on the script for Speed.

  • May 8, 2012, 2:41 a.m. CST

    2 old ladies in their 60s,1) Dazzled by anything "new"

    by gotilk

    What old ladies are YOU hanging out with? I want some numbers. I'm ready to party. wTF?

  • May 8, 2012, 3:02 a.m. CST

    District 9 vs. Avatar

    by lv_426

    I enjoyed them both actually. Maybe we can wait and see what Cameron has in store for is with Avatar 2? You know, maybe wait to hear a story synopsis or see a trailer before proclaiming that his career is over. As for District 9, that was a different beast altogether. I hope some of you at least keep an open mind for Blomkamp's follow-up Elysium. Or will you all have a hissy fit if Elysium isn't basically District 10? Oh yeah, Sir Ridley is basically doing what Cameron is doing in the sense that he plans to stick to the Alien/Prometheus and Blade Runner universes for anymore sci-fi films. So we are fine with Sir Ridley Scott doing whatever he wants, but James Cameron works his ass off creating a new cinematic world to develop stories in, and he is treated like some Nazi supervillain in cahoots with Xenu, Satan, and an evil clone of Tom Cruise bent on world domination? Also, those saying Cameron went from intricately complex storytelling to dumbed down mode with Avatar need to get their heads checked. The Terminator -- simple conflict played out with a primary cast of three characters (Sarah and Kyle against the T-800 Terminator). Objective: save Sarah (Kyle), kill Sarah (Terminator) Aliens -- investigate the cause of communication loss with Hadley's Hope, with the character arc of Ripley being that if psychologically wounded survivor facing the monster and overcoming her fears (catharsis). Also, the theme of motherhood is explored in the Newt and Ripley relationship, and in the confrontation with the queen wanting her brood to survive. Avatar -- Jake Sully is caught up between the real world of his crippled body, and that of his avatar life. He has to choose between human or Na'vi. The point isn't that he chooses to go against all of humanity, but a particular group who have overstepped. Remember, not all of the humans were bad or greedy. Even Giovani Ribisi's character showed a reluctance to use deadly force. It was Quaritch who thought more in terms of black and white (strictly human versus na'vi). Hell, Giovani Ribisi seemed to have a slight character arc, while Burke in Aliens was a sleaze the whole time (he was just damn good at hiding it and used his charms/salesmanship to gain false trust). Anyways, on the surface, Cameron's films aren't the most complex. That is part of his success. He makes his films accessible but also steeped in ideas and theme, if you care to look. Sir Ridley Scott's films are like this in some ways too, especially his sci-fi/fantasy work. Alien on the surface is often seen as an overly stylized haunted house movie set in space. We know that there is more going on under the surface though (blue collar vs. white collar crew, 70's cynicism on corporations, space truckers as a more realistic view of space travellers, and the harsh and hostile Lovecraftian nature of the universe). Remember Blade Runner being seen as merely an exercise in style when it was first released? Critics saw it as a technically professional but vapid genre exercise that put an old school film noir detective in a science fiction world. We all know that wasn't what Blade Runner was really about though. Over the years people looked deeper and saw a really interesting and thoughtful meditation on what it means to be human, as well as subthemes on the dehumanizing possibilities of runaway technology and urban sprawl. Even Legend is more than meets the eye if you care to look at it a bit deeper. Now, am I saying that Avatar is on the level of something like Blade Runner? No. What I am saying is that there is more to Avatar than most people give it credit for. Most viewers I think have not looked at it beyond the surface details. Also, Avatar is in some ways a counterpoint to Aliens. In Aliens the humans have no problems mowing down the warrior aliens with a smart gun. In Avatar, the aliens are more human-like so of course we are going to send in someone like Weavers character to communicate with them. In Aliens Burke says they don't have the right to just wipe out the Xenomorphs (technically, he has a point, but his motives are $$$). In Avatar, because of communication being possible, the company tries to peacefully relocate the Na'vi. In Aliens something like that isn't a wise option to try, not unless you like to be shredded by a biomechanoid. I think Cameron is definitely aware of how depending on what an alien species looks like, and how intelligent they are, dictates how we will act towards them. It is an interesting exploration of the Uncanny Valley effect. Na'vi are closer to human than Xenomorphs (so Na'vi equal good, while Xenos are just an infection that need to be cleansed). The question still remains, do we have more of a right to wipe out the Xenomorphs than we do the Na'vi? So take a look at Avatar again. Just as in how T2 is in some ways a counter to T1, Avatar in some ways flips the ideas in Aliens. I'd be surprised if James Cameron isn't aware of this as he was probably purposefully playing with these ideas when he made Avatar. I also think it unwise to outright write off an Avatar sequel as being a rehash of the first one. Pandora, the Alpha Centauri system, and the future Earth are all possible story arenas up for grabs in Avatar sequels. This is a big giant setting that Cameron can use to explore all kinds of interesting ideas and show use new kinds of cool future technology and exotic alien lifeforms. I'm bummed that he won't be doing anything with Battle Angel, but the possibilities inherent in the Avatar setting could be amazing in their own right. Remember folks, movies can be both entertaining and enlightening at the same time. I'm not for beating people over the head with the mallet of preachiness, but how about throwing some concepts and ideas out there for us all to chew on? You know, theme? Movies have themes. That's fair, and could be what Cameron will be doing with these sequels. I'm going to at least wait and see what James Cameron has in store for us.

  • May 8, 2012, 3:29 a.m. CST

    I take this to mean he wants to make 2 or 3 sci-fi epics next

    by Mace Tofu

    and the "world" of AVATAR could be anywhere he wants in that timeline he created. Are the NAVI the only aliens humans have AVATARED with? I take the word AVATAR to mean the tech they use to enter the worlds of others. That tech can go anywhere he wants in the universe but the second movie will pick up with Jake as that is what the public wants.

  • May 8, 2012, 3:42 a.m. CST

    I wonder if they'll find any Inplainsightium(TM)

    by gotilk

    Or maybe a vein of rare Howcouldyoumissitium(TM).

  • May 8, 2012, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Thats great news

    by theblackvegtable

    I'm probably in the minority, but I think the idea of James Cameron expanding the Avatar world over another 2-3 films is pretty exciting. My only question is what happens to Battle Angel?

  • May 8, 2012, 4:38 a.m. CST

    What has happened to the quality of AICN talkbackers?

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Fucking hell. The greatest science-fiction filmmaker of all time announces he is going to make two, possible three, more big sci-fi action movies and everyone starts crying? What the fuck? Yet everybody creams themselves over JJ Abrams sequel to his shakycam close-up SHIT? <P> Anybody that wasn't FUCKING AMAZED by Avatar on the big screen in 3D is mentally dead and has ZERO fucking understanding of filmmaking, storytelling and art. The last half hour of Avatar was a fucking masterclass in action storytelling... just pure genius. You guys have sat through so much crap over the years that your minds can't even tell what is quality or not anymore. Watch the last half hour of Avatar and then watch the last half hour of The Dark Knight. There's a clear lesson right there for everyone in action filmmaking. Anyway I realise most of you are under 10 or just don't have a clue, go and watch your Abrams shit whilst I wait for the sequel to Avatar, from the director that made two of the greatest sequels ever made. <p> Let's leave the final word to fanboy geek god Joss Whedon: "You know, for me Cameron is the leader and the teacher and the Yoda, because I don’t know anybody who delineates action as well as he does and it’s always about he shows you the parameters, he shows you the problem, and then he shows you the attempt at the solution and he makes the problem worse. It’s a real understanding of cinematic space in his movies and for me it’s kind of dazzling."

  • May 8, 2012, 4:49 a.m. CST

    How can anyone compare Lucas to Cameron?

    by Rtobert

    Really? Really?

  • Yeah without the 3D Avatar sucks all kinds of dick...No joke either... saw it once and said what's the big fucking deal... Prolly should have seen it in 3D than I would not notice how stupid it was!!!!!

  • May 8, 2012, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Top 10 comic book movies in particular order...

    by darthSaul666

    1 THE AVENGERS!!!! 2 a tie.. THE DARK KNIGHT/SPIDER-MAN 2/SIN CITY/IRON MAN/CAPTAIN AMERICA/THOR/THE CROW/SUPERMAN 1 & DONNER CUT 2/ 3 WATCHMEN (eat it haters.... R rated and naked female breasts in a comic book movie... got a problem with that than your gay..) 4.... I'm starting to lose count... too much arbitrary director bullshit to really make me think some filmmakers actually don't care about the source material.....

  • May 8, 2012, 6:26 a.m. CST

    No particular order.... I want an edit button!!!!!

    by darthSaul666

  • May 8, 2012, 6:29 a.m. CST

    The film that launched a thousand 3-D headaches !!!

    by Dalius

  • May 8, 2012, 6:34 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by gotilk

    Absolutely correct. I may kid around, but Avatar completely blew my mind. I felt immersed in a different world for its run time. AND I loved the world. It had a certain kind of emotional impact that I have not seen repeated and I don't remember any film doing before. Some came close. Quest For Fire was one. In my childhood, Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back. Raiders. Blade Runner. 2001 (I actually got a chance to see it on a big screen when I was in my early teens living outside of Santa Rosa, it was featured in some week long retrospective thing and it was a pretty damned good print). The too familiar plot was not an issue for me. It wasn't the point. The world was the movie. The characters and story mattered, and they always do. But in Avatar, the world mattered as much. And he got it SO right. So please don't confuse my kidding around as a lack of reverence toward Cameron's masterpiece. Great Whedon quote too, man. I may not share a near-hatred of JJ's work, but he's nowhere near Cameron.

  • May 8, 2012, 6:40 a.m. CST

    No, but seriously guys ......

    by Dalius

    James Cameron has made enough GREAT films to earn both our trust and our respect. If he feels that a particular film and/or series of films is worthy of his time and attention then good for him. And I'll be in line to see what he does. I mean, come on, the guy has made enough money that I'm sure he could retire to some beach villa and watch the seagulls, leaving us movie-goers nothing to watch but teen vampire flicks, unfunny spoofs and countless unnecessary remakes. Take your pick. Lastly, this idea may be a bit radical, but if you don't like Avatar, you don't HAVE to go and see the sequels, no-one has a gun to your head.

  • and now look !

  • Avengers will probably unseat it, but remember it was the world's biggest movie hit, ever. And years later, 3D is still around and yet many of these same people were (and still are) calling it a gimmick and a fad that will eventually fade away just as it has in the past. It was never like this, never this widespread, and it NEVER looked this good. So I think they can be pretty much ignored.

  • May 8, 2012, 7:42 a.m. CST

    That's a shame...

    by Samson_K

    I hate to think of someone relegating themselves to the same universe and mythology - and not a particularly deep one at that. My favourite movie is Raiders of the Lost Ark and even no matter how much I loved that movie if Speilberg had said in 1981 - from this point forth it's all Indiana Jones I'd have been a bit pissed off.

  • May 8, 2012, 8:40 a.m. CST

    He should get his finger out of his arse.....

    by ChiefRoberts

    and help get 'At the Mountains of Madness' back on track instead of concentrating on more Avatar nonsense!

  • May 8, 2012, 8:49 a.m. CST

    That's Avatar-Business, kid

    by MooseMalloy

  • May 8, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST

    lv246, very well-put

    by kidicarus

    A lot of filmmakers will use very simple and universal plot types to convey larger themes and issues. It doesn't automatically write them off as simplistic.

  • Never that Lv, His treatment of Ressurection was and will always be a total clusterfuck however, Joshie redeemed himself with Avengers. (Highly acclaimed by critics and moviegoers alike..oh, and a Avatar lacked both character interaction and orginality (for something that is a "New concept".)not to mention how it came off as some preachy multi million dollar PSA. Well, atleast it ushered in the 3D Craze which I prefer to watch a film in 2D without all the "bells and whistles". Let Jimbo make all the Avatars he so desires. More power to him, Just don't expect me there during it's premiere. He's a great artist and I will always respect him for both Terminator and of course Aliens. But Avatar is as forgettable as Titanic.

  • May 8, 2012, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Oh, and Fuck Avatar! Viva la Avengeles!

    by Stalkeye

  • May 8, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Not needed

    by Jeremy Jar Binks

    Seriously, the first one was a decent film that was entertaining and significant for technical reasons, but it's not a franchise I or anyone else are clamoring for. Oh wait... what's that noise? Clamor? Nope, it's just virtual cash ringing through the tills and enormous butts squeezing into seats to fund Cameron's next underwater joy ride.

  • May 8, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    RE:Avengers was the butthole of filmmaking

    by Stalkeye

    And Stargate is a pussfied TV Series, so what's your point?

  • May 8, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Lv...kWIS...Gotik....hows it going guys?

    by southafricanguy

    long time no see you guys..... Kwis.....exactly brother. I agree with you 100% regarding the end action set piece of Avatar. And thanks for that awsome Whedon quote.....oh how it pisses off some that their "idols" have so much respect for Cameron Whedon, Tarantino, JJ, Jackson, Speilberg.Danny Boyle, Fincher...et al are all on record as praising his ability He is a Maverick...plain and simple....and mavericks have always pissed a lot of people off as they simply march to their own drum beat.....

  • May 8, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST

    I also agree that Cameron will most likely change

    by southafricanguy

    his mind and do other things.....or at least I hope so.....I too would love to see him return to the Alien series.....

  • May 8, 2012, 10:50 a.m. CST

    And we will have to wait till Terminator rights

    by southafricanguy

    return to Cameron in 2018.....then things may change regarding that......

  • May 8, 2012, 11:09 a.m. CST

    I'm surprised he didn't say this sooner...

    by SK229

    He really has always just wanted to have his own Star Wars type universe. He's said it a million times... he really has always wanted to be George Lucas. This is the official announcement that, like George Lucas is in the Star Wars business, Cameron is now in the Avatar business. He's cutting off all other possibilities. I sense a tiny bit of hubris in the announcement, and that's a little scary. I truly believe that he thinks he did something other than what he really did with Avatar. Avatar was NOT Star Wars. It wasn't even Alien. Hell, it wasn't even The Avengers. The main problem with that it was rather obvious even in the first Star Wars that there are a million other stories in that universe that are all somehow connected. He left it all open and obvious. Sure ANH buttoned things up nicely, but at the end, Darth Vader was still alive. The empire wasn't totally defeated. And who was this 'emperor' they kept talking about? He wasn't on the Death Star, so he's still out there. With Avatar, yes, if you think hard enough, you can imagine there's a bunch of other mining companies, earth is obviously much different at that point in time than it is now, but that's more like saying 'Imagine what other stories you can have in SPACE, rather than imagine the other stories in the Avatar universe.' If they don't include Pandora, Jake, and Netiri, it's not really the Avatar universe. It's just an extrapolation based upon shit that hasn't been hinted at or seen in the first movie. If he had just briefly shown us a few possibilities, a galactic government, the idea that we're just discovering life on a neighboring moon, SOMETHING, he'd have left that door open much wider than he did. As big a movie as Avatar is, something about it feels small in relation to other world-building franchises. The point is, it's hard to see how this is going to be much different than the first movie. Cameron IS a genius, so there's a very strong possibility he has something totally unforeseen up his sleeve and that's what I'm hoping for. But there have been plenty of other geniuses that fall into a certain trap of hubris and not seeing the forest for the trees anymore, thinking that every turd of an idea they squeeze out is a work of art, and Cameron could always be on the top side of the roller coaster about to go down the other side of that curve. I really hope he isn't.

  • May 8, 2012, 11:11 a.m. CST

    zodlovesgod ......but dude, we live in the age

    by southafricanguy

    of fanboy entitlement.....where if a director (or whoever) does nt do exactly what they want....then that person sucks and can go fuck themselves....nevermind that these people do not work for fandom....if you dont like what they do...its really simple dont watch, dont partake...no-one is forcing you....just ignore then..... Furthermore....a kind of sports mentality has invaded fandom where its now a giant pissing contest about whose favorite directors film made more money than someone elses favorite directors film....or who rules...and who sucks....and that list constantly changes....I call it the Devin Farceification of Fandom....whereby the whiny, luddite man-children have taken control.... And lets not forget that while fandom bitches about a lack of original stuff.....all they ever want is their favorite comics and toys from their youth to be "adapted".....

  • May 8, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    And finally lets not forget the fucking hilarious

    by southafricanguy

    accusation of "stealing" and "unoriginality" thrown as certain film makers.....such as when Cameron borrows from multiple sources that inspired him as a kid...he is stealing and a hack.....but when Blomkamp does it (Alien Nation=District 9) or Scott (Promethues=ATMOM, AVP), or Nolan (Inception=matrix, dark city, Paprika) they are geniuses and wholly original..... Give me a fucking break...NOTHING is wholly original, everyone is influenced by something and everyone "steals".... This stuff isnt created in a fucking vacuum... Is Avatar "original"? Hard to say as originality is subjective and argumentative......however I have never seen those specific elements combined in that way.....same goes for the others......Inception reminded me of a lot of other things....but never combined that way......same goes for the Matrix.....or the Avengers for that matter....

  • May 8, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST

    film is art.....not fucking sport....its when you

    by southafricanguy

    see these asshols fighting over Avengers vs DKR.....dont you get that by getting both...we all win!...there are no losers here... Same goes for getting Prometheus, another Riddick film, the Hobbit, and potential much better Avatar sequals....we can watch and enjoy them all for fucks sake......these films are not in competition with each other...

  • May 8, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST

    sk229 .....I totally disagree buddy....I think the

    by southafricanguy

    first film does hint at a much larger universe....especially as there are multiple moons orbiting the gas giant.....that and how much of Pandora itself is unexplored on film, I can think of numerous places it could be taken......Cameron has already said the other moons, and other parts of Alpha Centuari will be explored, and that we would see more of the future Earth. Cameron also said that he would explore the origin of the Na'vi...so we can assume there is more to them than what was shown (such as them being descendants of an advanced alien race perhaps) as Cameron said there is a reason why the Na'vi unlike all the other creatures on Pandora, dont have 6 limbs.....

  • May 8, 2012, 11:31 a.m. CST

    And as you say...Cameron is clever....and based

    by southafricanguy

    on his two previous sequals...I have a suspicion he has some clever things planned to expand this universe...or at least I hope so...

  • May 8, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    regardless...I still have a strong feeling he will

    by southafricanguy

    do Battle Angel Alita one day.....there has been way too much development work done.....numerous scripts....tons of pre-production work....Im sure its gonna get made....even if Cameron just produces (with maybe Blomkamf directing?)

  • May 8, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Alien Resurrection is a masterpiece!

    by Chris

    of bad film making, though I still can't help but enjoy it from time to time

  • May 8, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST

    um....good ol dioxholster.....still as retarded as

    by southafricanguy

    ever.....so let me see if I get this straight....you think I or anyone else can "make" diamonds??... And South Africa is not a real country? oookkkaaayyy......I guess the parameters of what constitutes a country is difficult for you to conceptually grasp... really? I should nt be suprised....after all you think Stargate is good...if you beleive that you will clearly believe anything...

  • May 8, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    I assume you posted your brain fart comment

    by southafricanguy

    with one hand on a bottle of lube for your momwaiting behind you with a Richard Dean Anderson mask and a strap on dildo on getting ready to butt fuck you while you watch re-runs of stargate for the 1000th time..... .Ah it all makes sense now Diox....stargate=your asshole....and you like the show so much becasue when they "enter" the "stargate" it makes you long for someone to "enter" your "stargate".....Remember Diox....your mom cannot be your girlfriend....

  • May 8, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Diox is truly still the biggest moron/wanker on the

    by southafricanguy

    AICN TBs.....God its good see some things about this site have nt changed :)

  • May 8, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST

    frankly you sad pathetic stargate obsessed nut

    by southafricanguy

    I would have been dissapointed if you had in anyway changed.......you had me at "shitty rants" buddy.....

  • May 8, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Avatar was a safe bet?

    by Volllllume3

    Some of you people are fucking retarded. It could have been the biggest box office disaster of al time.

  • May 8, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    volllllume3 ...amen brother....amen...

    by southafricanguy

    how anyone thinks there was anything safe about it is beyond me.....Honestly I thought it was gonna either bomb or just make its money back having read the old 95 scriptment. I really did nt think is would have mass appeal at all....

  • May 8, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST

    southafricanguy, defensive much?

    by Stalkeye

    Your counter arguments are just as bad as those "whining" Fanboys who slammed Cameron. As for adaptaions of Comics and Toys vs an orginal concept, well suffice to say that many of us were/are fans of the source material i.e. Intellectual properties to begin with ergo to see those said IPs adapted into other media isn't a bad thing at all. IP based media is NOT suppossed to come off as if it's an entirely new concept. (Duh!) Avatar comes off a bit referenced from previous works. Sure many would compare it to Dances with Wolves or to a lesser degree, Aliens but I'm refering to an indie comic back in the 80's called MICA in which some parapelegic controls a super powered android . Cameron was accused of plagerism from The Terminator ( most notably via Harlan Ellison's stories.) however, his execution made the film original enough to stand on it's own merit. And with that said, it's my right to Boycott all things, Avatar. So how's it hanging in Sweto?

  • May 8, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST

    stalkeye.....um, dude thats only defensive if you

    by southafricanguy

    identify yourself as belonging to that group. I dont think you fit into what Im talking about and perhaps you did not read some of what I said carefully....I said if you did nt like his films then dont watch them or ignore...so damn right you are entitled to boycott all things Avatar...have fun doing so...plenty of things I dont like that I dont waste my time on

  • May 8, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    and my counter arguments are as bad? really?

    by southafricanguy

    so you think art should be relegated to the same us vs them mentality prevalent in sports? ..sorry, I dont see how pointing out that we all win by getting all these things and that we can watch and enjoy all without turning everything into a pissing contest is at all the same thing...at least im argueing for a rational stance....as opposed to the "raped my childhood, raped my whatever hyperbolic mentality"

  • May 8, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST

    i'd rather he just swam off into the sea....

    by dirk123

    Fishy idiot

  • May 8, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    and hows Soweto? I would know buddy as 1) I

    by southafricanguy

    have been living in South Korea for the last few years 2) Im originally from Cape Town (Soweto is outside JHB, you may wish to consult a map if you dont know where that is) and 3) since I am a white South African I never had the misfortune of being forced to live in Soweto as so many poor black South Africans were......sorry to dissapoint you but I have never even been to Soweto.......

  • May 8, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    I once saw a township from a distance if that

    by southafricanguy

    makes you feel any better....

  • May 8, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    whoops...that heading should have said "i wouldnt

    by southafricanguy

    know....damn my clumsy fingers!

  • May 8, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST

    and no stalkeye...you are right about it not beinga bad thing to

    by southafricanguy

    see those Ips adapted...but not when the majority of films being made are adaptations of pre exisitng Ips imho.....thats playing it safe...only making things with an already established built in audience...

  • But your counter argument comes off no better than these whiny detractors who are just expressing disappointment in cameron for forgoing other projects for his big creation. many of us who thought higly of him was in anticipation when the news that he was planning to film Spider-Man back in the early 90's..unfortunately, that didn't manifest. James who admitted he was an avid fan of Iron Man back then could have made a film based on the Golden Avenger...but instead he made an adaptaion of some French Film that became..True Lies. at times, I find helming established adaptations based on IPs more challenging than say, coming up with an original concept because if the project doesn't measure up to the source material, than ultimately you just didn't do your homework. and if your original concept failed to gather interest, well suffice to say, it's not a huge loss. it'll be long forgotten.. ..like tears in the Rain.

  • May 8, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST

    When the box office dries up it will end Avatar!

    by Norm3

  • May 8, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    and I stand by what I said about whining about

    by southafricanguy

    originality and the double standard that is applied to different film makers for doing the same damn things 100%.....prove me wrong. Prove how District 9's entire concept is nt lifted from Alien nation...or how Inception does nt borrow heavily from the Japanese anime Paprika......and Im not saying there is nt anything wrong with that at all.....but its no different to what Cameron did with Avatar......If you can defend double standards like that then we will simply have to agree to disagree buddy......and thats cool....

  • May 8, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST

    sure Stalkeye.....it would have been cool to

    by southafricanguy

    see Cameron do Spiderman or x-men as he was going to do.....and just like you Stalkeye I would like to have seen Cameron return to Aliens or terminator....but I think what he is doing now is similar to what Kirby did in the tail end of his career where he poured all his effort into creating his "fourth world"...it was never as lauded as his early work creating the early Marvel characters...but it went on to become very influential in later years.... .so too I think Cameron is now getting to build a big sci fi universe that he has always wanted to.....and if you know your Cameron history.....you will know that in the late 1970s Cameron first took a shot at making his sci-fi universe with Xenogenis...a student film he made that he wanted to shop around to get financing to turn it inot a feature film...never worked out though.....so this had been something that has always been his life goal I guess.....

  • May 8, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST

    and if you have nt seen Xenogensis....I r

    by southafricanguy

    recommned you go find it on youtube...its quite good, and has some very similar ideas/visuals to terminator and Avatar......well worth checking out

  • May 8, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Anyhoo...as I have now said multiple times...given

    by southafricanguy

    how awsome Aliens and T2 are...still 2 of the best sequals ever made...I will give Cameron the benefit of the doubt concerning these sequals...if nothing else based on Aliens and T2 they will be quite different films from Avatar.....

  • May 8, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST

    um.....I half agree with you Stalkeye.....I think

    by southafricanguy

    adapting existing ips and making something original both have their pros and cons and their difficulties.....but surely you get that im not argueing for one over the other...im simply argueing to not have an over reliance on adapting things at the expense of trying some original stuff as is the case now...

  • May 8, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST

    either way Stalkeye....I highly doubt Cameron has

    by southafricanguy

    given up on Battle Angel Alita...adapting an existing ip....as he has had a hard on for that for years now....and as I said so many scripts written and so much pre-production work done...I cant see how it wont get made. Are you familiar with BAA Stalkeye?

  • I concur, New Gods was very influentual and it was HIS own concept. Kirby had many great ideas however, they never really caught on as much as his co creations with Lee. So I see your point about Jim. i'm man enough to admit I jumped the gun, but mostly out of disappointment of what Cameron can bring to the table but decided to go counter clockwise. I just give up on him, but in the meantime shall treasure my Aliens and Terminator Blu Ray discs. Now, about this Xenogenesis..is it an Anime series or live action? I'll look into it. Thanks!

  • May 8, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST

    oops, I overlooked the Xenogensis series.

    by Stalkeye

    I got it confused with some Anime called Xeno...something..lolz

  • May 8, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    stalkeye....exactly dude, nothing will take

    by southafricanguy

    away from those films you dig....and if you have given up..then that always leaves you with the chance of being pleasantly suprised...who knows.... Anyway....Xenogenisis is live action and frankly quite remarkable for a very low budget student film.....do go check it out and I think you will be suprised at how much you see of the early seeds of Avatar.....and the terminator for that matter...

  • May 8, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    First!

    by BooCocky

  • May 8, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    No, thank you.

    by Pat

    You had a hell of a run though, Jim.

  • Like maybe, the humans' pursuit of unobtanium opens up a reverse black hole in the universe that is spewing out all this harmful antimatter that will eventually destroy everything that exists and despite this fact the idiots still want to "Drill, Baby, Drill!"

  • Is there ANYONE out there who's like... "Man, I can't wait for an Avatar sequel!"? <p> Especially one that's going to clobber us over the head with preachy dogma?

  • May 8, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST

    ingeld

    by brightgeist

    not sure if you're still reading this, but... i fully agree with you that we don't "owe" anything to any other species, or any such notions. the only thing that worries me about the way we are treating our planet is that it will probably become much less pleasant for us to live here in the not-too-distant future. and i think that's also what James Cameron is all about. he's not really "worshiping" nature, he's just telling us to take care of the only planet we have, or otherwise our standards of living might drop significantly. treating our environment the way we have been over the last century or so, is something we are very likely to regret.

  • May 8, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    halfbreedqueen2

    by brightgeist

    if you're reading this... you said there was irony in my statement that James Cameron's movies could have a positive influence on people's values and move our societies toward something less profit-oriented, because those movies make money themselves. i don't agree. there is no irony or contradiction there. and i don't see the logic in your statement. just because movies are made and distributed within our current monetary paradigm, that does NOT mean that those movies cannot transport important social messages to the audiences, even such messages that are critical of our monetary economic system. if what you said were true, it would be completely impossible to make any anti-system statements within the context of that same system. you would completely deny the societal influence of such movies as THE MATRIX, V FOR VENDETTA or WATCHMEN. for example, according to your "logic", V FOR VENDETTA could not be what it has become, the Guy Fawkes mask could not have become a symbol of an entire generation's rage against this oppressive system, just because that movie was also made within the paradigm of money and copyrights. so no, sorry, but your point doesn't work.

  • May 8, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST

    doctorwho?

    by brightgeist

    i think our societies could actually use an infusion of good values of sustainability and cooperation right now, so yes, i am looking forward to those movies very much.

  • May 8, 2012, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Sure brightgeist

    by DoctorWho?

    But you think Avatar movies are a source of such values?<p> I prefer real science as opposed to Cameron's politicized "scientism" and rigid dogma.<p> Me...? I liked Avatar. A sequel would be cool too. Just entertain me Mr. Cameron, don't patronize me.

  • May 8, 2012, 7:45 p.m. CST

    probably for the best

    by JaredP

    let him make his avaturd films, and let REAL filmmakers make true art

  • May 8, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST

    I thought I was blown away by Avatar until...

    by Jason

    I watched it at home on my not humongous movie-screen, in non-3D. That made ALOT of difference and actually elevated the movie from a 6 which it really was to a 9 as a theater experience.

  • May 9, 2012, 1:54 a.m. CST

    the most depressing interview ever?

    by mrbong

    dear me, how sad. that Cameron interview just takes away from everything good he ever did. so, censorship in China is not all that bad? i wonder how much of that statement comes from his Fox paymasters, who are keen to get into that market. not even looking at any other concepts except the very limited scope for more Avatar films? an artist that wears blinkers is no artist, they are a factory worker. most depressing of all, he says there are no film makers that "excite" him? Christopher Nolan? Duncan Jones? has he seen nothing they have done?