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“Fringe” heads into part one of its season finale tonight coming off two of its finest episodes. Two weeks ago, we learned that Leonard Nimoy’s William Bell was somewhere lurking in the universes. One week ago, David Robert Jones forced everybody in Fringe Division bid adieu to their parallel-reality doppelgangers. If you haven’t heard, “Fringe” has been renewed for one last season of 13 episodes.

Fox says of tonight’s “Brave New World, Part One”:

A mysterious Fringe event causing people to spontaneously combust forces Walter to revisit his painful past while the Fringe team faces off against David Robert Jones to save the world, or worlds.

Fox says of next week’s “Brave New World, Part Two”:

In the climactic conclusion of the Season Four finale, the Fringe team is pushed to their breaking point as they desperately attempt to prevent a catastrophic event that threatens the lives of everyone.

Other Friday series recently renewed ahead of the mid-May broadcast schedule announcements include “Real Time With Bill Maher,” “Blue Bloods,” “Grimm” and “Supernatural.”

Maher’s roundtable guests this week are political strategist Susan Del Percio, TV host Ed Schultz and Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff for Secretary of State Colin Powell; writer-director Bobcat Goldthwait is an interview guest.

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  • May 4, 2012, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Tonight should be all about Supernatural. It's Supernatural or go home.

    by I_Love_LanaLang

    Last week's episode was superb. I'm desperately hoping they can make it high-quality two weeks in a row. Fringe is really starting to aggravate me. I want to watch the the show. Its themes are attractive to me. But, I'm so out of the loop concerning Fringe that it's pointless for me to jump in mid-season or certainly not now at the end of the season. Which season of Fringe should a person start watching to be able to fully understand the series up to the end of the current season?

  • May 4, 2012, 8:51 a.m. CST

    I'd like to help Rashida Jones continue her family tree

    by Uncle Pooky

  • And Maher should be provocative and thought provoking for the intellectually curious, but my favorite guilty pleasure has a new episode tonight on History Channel 2, Ancient Aliens, with the Big Hair Guy!!!! Tonight's episode, on at 10 pm EST, posits the theory that ancient aliens killed off the dinosaurs to allow for the rise of humankind. Silly? of course. Entertaining? How could it not be? This show is a hoot and a must see. Something for everyone tonight...

  • May 4, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Fringe Season 5: September or January start?

    by MemBirdman

    I'm just wondering if they'll want to burn the remaining episodes off quickly or if they'll hold onto them like they did with Dollhouse till mid-season. I hope they decide early, but I'm going to guess a January start.

  • May 4, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Fringe Box Set

    by MemBirdman

    I hope they do something spectacular with it, like Lost or Alias. I'd have to sell off my Blu-Ray seasons, but I'd get it in a heartbeat.

  • May 4, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Supernatural, Nikita, Fringe, Blue Bloods

    by V'Shael

    I only recently got into Blue Bloods, on my brother in laws insistance. It's quite a good show, and in high def, new york has never looked lovlier to my eyes. Supernatural - why are you the only Friday show that hurts me?

  • May 4, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Lawrence Wilkerson is definitely worth tuning in for.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    One of the few members of the ruinous Bush Administration who is willing to tell the truth about the Iraq War et al.

  • Much of this battle takes place in midtown Manhattan, where the neatest sequences involve Loki's ginormous slithering, undulating snake-lizard-dragon machine, which seems almost to have a mind of its own and is backed up by countless snakelings. At one point, an Avenger flies into the mouth of this leviathan and penetrates its entire length, emerging at the business end. You won't see that in "The Human Centipede."

  • May 4, 2012, 9:35 a.m. CST


    by Bop N Rumble

    Oh, my delectable diva of distinguished decorum. Have I ever told you that you are my beacon of brainfood? I treasure your epic and extramundane epistles. They electrify me without limits. Ultrahigh voltage. That's what it is. And speaking of Supernatural... It's a great show but the only thing supernatural is you. You are not a 5 out of 5. You are a 6 out of 5. You understand the art of being a woman and that inspires me to even greater heights. Never leave me, my tremendously talented tiramisu tigress. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

  • mr. nice gaius - indeed about Lawrence Wilkerson - some conservatives are capable of independent thought, and he should be applauded for that - of course, those who aren't must see him as a traitor to the cause.

  • May 4, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Indeed. The fact that he's exceedingly willing to testify against those war criminals (regardless of the fact that he was part of the administration) shows great strength of character. I wonder if he's been asked to come on to discuss Jose Rodriguez.

  • May 4, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    by logjam

    Big fan of the previous seasons of Fringe but this one has been a total slog... First of all, so wtf happened to Peter trying to get back to his universe? Or was this his universe all along? And if so - then do the other people suddenly remember him to like Olivia? And what happened to his kid with Faux-livia? I was waiting for this big reunion of (old) Walter and Peter in his old universe and we never got that. Instead, we got Olivia "remembering" Peter while ultimately forgetting her other life, and Walter instead growing fond of this Peter. The whole thing is a convoluted mess. And normally, I love a good convoluted mess - after all, I love LOST. But this show is starting to become a disaster. And now this thing with the Observers? What the hell....

  • May 4, 2012, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Hey Logjam...

    by duct tape wallet

    Do you even watch the show? All these questions have been answered.

  • I also loved Lost- not trying to be snarky, it just seems you must have maybe not seen a few episodes

  • May 4, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Fringe - Fall Start

    by gotilk

    Already confirmed.

  • The writer? Good writing and all, but it really feels like that. Like a Kevin Smith movie (early especially), everyone seems to have the same voice. Not bad, at least the writing is good. But I could not help but notice.

  • May 4, 2012, 11:58 a.m. CST

    gotilk --good news for us fans! cool!

    by Michael Lunney

  • Oh... and I didn't want it to sound like I was insulting The Finder, or Kevin Smith (almost a pass-time for a while here), it was just an observation. Some great shows have been like that, or have at least sometimes. Buffy, Moonlighting, heck even Ally McBeal (spell?). In Smith's case, I think it made his early films interesting and unique. Just wanted to clear that up because it read like I was being snarky and I didn't mean to.

  • May 4, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Supernatural needs more Dick Roman...

    by sonnyhooper

    ....the actor playing that part is killing it ever time he is on the screen. It's like James Patrick Stuart is channeling Christian Bale as Patrick Bateman in American Psycho. You just gotta love a creepy, yet charismatic villian.

  • May 4, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Thanks gotilk!

    by Paul

    Hey do you have a link for the Fall announcement, I believe you completely just like to share something like that with friends on Facebook etc.

  • May 4, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    i_love_lanalang - Yeah start at the begining

    by Paul

    The First half of Season 1 of Fringe is kind of slow since it was getting its footing but once the villian David Robert Jones shows up things really kick into high gear and increasingly get better and better. I believe that the episodes can all be found on

  • May 4, 2012, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Supernatural is a flaming heap of garbage compared to Fringe

    by AshokForgiven

    Fringe has been rocking this season... heck imho its got more momentum than any other current shows minus Game of Thrones. Supernatural has been awful ever since Season 5. CW should have ended the show after Sam and Dean bound the Devil. Creatively, the show is out of gas.

  • May 4, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST


    by AshokForgiven

    Fringe S1

  • May 4, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST

    David Robert Jones

    by GlyphGuy

    I have considered a theory that DRJ is a good guy who is trying to actually save the world, possibly the universe/multiverses from what is to come with the Observers. However, I can't figure out why he would hide his intentions. If he is good, would the Observers try to eliminate him? But wouldn't they know that already? It seems Nina knows about either DRJ's bigger plans, the Observer invasion, or both. Something is definitely ahead with Bell too. I wonder if Bell is somehow linked to DRJ. Can't beat this tonight and Avengers tomorrow night!

  • "Some people say rocks are the result of accreted mineral deposits and erosion. I disagree! Could rocks really be hollow plastic shells with cameras inside made to look like rocks and placed by ancient aliens to spy on humanity? It's obvious to me this *may* be the case!" I'm sorry, too ludicrous to watch unless you suffer from some form of brain injury.

  • May 4, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST


    by Paul

    Yeah I figure that David Robert Jones is a lot like Ben Linus on Lost. Both men did horendus things in the name of the so called greater good. Ben tested Locke (Walt also) to hopefully become the so called savior of the island (the special one) and Jones has been testing Olivia.

  • May 4, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Rocks with Cameras

    by GlyphGuy

    Only Kang and Kodos would do something as stupid as that.

  • May 4, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST

    The true hero of the show will end up being ...

    by Gene Cowan

    ... Gene the Cow. His presence will be very important in the final season. Mark my words!

  • May 4, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    Paburrows -DRJ

    by theGoldbergV

    Lets hope unlike Ben on LOST the writers actually understand why Jones does the things he does. It's been 3 years and I still can't workout why Ben killed Locke on LOST other than it was an unexpected twist having saved him only moments before. With Fringe I do think it has harmed the season in that Jones' motivations have remained a mystery, and I, like many others, expect him to be doing this for *good* reasons, whatever they are. I'm sure we'll find out in tonight's episode. So glad fringe got a season 5. Let's just hope next year's reinvention of the format doesn't involve wiping away years of character development like this year's eh?

  • May 4, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Pa - nice Lost reference!

    by GlyphGuy

    I hadn't thought about it like that, but I could certainly see the similarities now that you mention it. I watched Person of Interest last night and Emerson continues to be terrific on there as well. Olivia seems to get killed or something at some point by William Bell. Hopefully it doesn't happen like it did to Locke in Lost.

  • I agree, if you take it seriously you do have brain damage - Ancient Aliens is really ludicrous- that is why it is so much fun! If you haven't seen an episode, give it a try - it is highly entertaining with a group of friends- wiating for the big haired guy to say - *COULD IT HAVE BEEN ....BECAUSE OF EXTRATERRESTRIALS?* it is a hoot and a half and you can turn it into a drinking game---- and it always shows me ancient building, paintings, and artifacts that I have never seen before - and I have seen a lot!!!!

  • May 4, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Modern day etiquette question

    by Have_Penis_Will_Travel

    wether it's true or not I've heard / read that Jasika Nicole prefers women So my question is, is still ok that I admire her? She is very attractive and has a voice like silk Is it ok that I think she's *neat-o*?

  • May 4, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Wasn't Nikita on yesterday?

    by happybunni

    So confused

  • I suppose you could DVR a bunch of episodes along with Finding Bigfoot and Ghost Hunters, make an evening of it. But man... the hangover the next morning would be epic!

  • May 4, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Ancient Aliens = great secondary television

    by GlyphGuy

    I'm not wasting big screen DVR space on it, but it will certainly be watched on my bedroom tv when it's time to wind down for the evening. Also in this category are Holmes on Homes, Storage Wars, Pawn Stars, Modern Marvels, and yes, Finding Bigfoot. Gotta watch the 'squatch!

  • May 4, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Fringe is on a major upswing.

    by ides

    "Letters of Transit," in particular, is one of the best episodes the show has ever done. I'm eager to see how it fits in eventually, though I was hoping they would start working it in right away. The narrative detours earlier in the season really hurt the show, but I'm gaining confidence they're pulling it back together and will make it fit together with previous seasons.

  • May 4, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Supernatural, now and in the future.

    by ides

    The second half of the season has been a little better, but it's still on shaky ground. Castiel-less and Bobby-less Supernatural, at this point in its run, is weak stuff. Ghost Bobby is very interesting, however. I haven't read anything about Jim Beaver's involvement with the show. . . seeing him in Justified (with presumably much more to come) worried me that external casting considerations could be negatively influencing the show's natural course. Dick is okay, but the Leviathans as a whole were terrible villains. The show has always done much better giving its own spin to angels and demons. I'd much rather see the show continue toward its natural conclusion, which (it seems to me) would be to reveal its conception of God.

  • May 4, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    In Plain Sight ends its run

    by k88dad

    In Plain Sight goes to an undisclosed location after tonight. It had a decent five year run. A fairly typical USA show. Not quite Monk, but not bad. Fringe is having a good run of episodes lately. It always has a good season ender, so I'm looking forward to the two-part/two-week season finale.

  • May 4, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST


    by Paul

    Ben killed Locke because he was jelious of his "choosen" status and every chance that he got he tried to kill him. The reason why he saved Locke from hanging him self is because he knew that Locke was on a mission most likely something that Jacob had told him to do (gathering the Oceanaic 6) so he saved him and acted like he was on his side so that Locke would spill all of his information and then he killed Locke so that he could take his place and assume the place as "choosen" and favored representative of Jacob. It wasn't until he returned to the island that he was humbled. As for David Robert Jones in season one he had two motivations, one was to stop the supposed threat of Walternate and his dimension since Walternate was angry over Walter stealing Peter. He worked with Bell and Walter in the early days to prevent an attack, and to create other experiments/weapons/inventions but Jones took things to a more drastic degree then Bell approved of so Bell fired Jones which brings us to Jones second motivation, his hatred for and desire to kill Bell. So I would bet that this Jone's motivations while somewhat different are similar to the season 1 Jones.

  • May 4, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST

    David Robert Jones is the father of The Observers

    by tangcameo

    Who are travellers from that part of space that Jones plans to hide in. I think the casting of DRJ and the observers was deliberate. Notice that almost all the actors playing Observers, and Jared Harris, all have dimpled chins. I think that was deliberate.

  • I think in this revised timeline, William Bell is still alive and probably over on the other side. But I've always wondered. What ever happened to the other side's Bell, in this timeline or the original?

  • May 4, 2012, 7:45 p.m. CST

    The Walternate side Bell died in a car crash.

    by Paul

  • May 4, 2012, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Bopnrumble - It is an absolute treat to read your magnificent posts!

    by I_Love_LanaLang

    Your unmatched mastery of the english language is spectacularly impressive. I have to admit that I feel a thrill going up my leg every time I'm fortunate enough to read one of your beautifully composed posts. It's an involuntary reaction that only occurs when I'm in the midst of a true genius! I do not offer fulsome praise. Your splendorous ruminations have genuinely earned every single exaltation that I can muster. My every waking hour, and even the land of dreams, have been invaded by your glorious cogitations. I do not protest against the encroachment. Rather, I throw open the gates of my mind and allow myself to be conquered by reason, intellect, wit, and charm! Please don't ever leave! I could not bear it!

  • May 4, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Paburrows_Rises - Start at season 1 for Fringe?

    by I_Love_LanaLang

    I ask because I've seen other Talkbackers say that season 1 was a bit subpar, and that the plot in later seasons is totally divorced from the first season. How many seasons has Fringe been on the air?

  • May 4, 2012, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Am I seeing things or was that Nimoy on fringe?

    by 1TrueGod

  • May 4, 2012, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Holy fuck best un-retirement ever!!

    by zillabeast

    Oh west coast sorry lol

  • May 4, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST


    by SonicRiver

    Impressive as your nuanced proclivity for alliteration remains, you may wish to consider demonstrating the full gamut of your intellectual powers by embracing additional literary techniques.

  • May 4, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST

    i don't mind the Levithans as villians so much, the problem is..

    by sonnyhooper

    .....that they writters fucked up a got away from the formula by making the Levithans basically un-killable. everything thing should be kill-able. it should just get harder and harder to do so with each big bad. but having sam and dean running away from the levithans all season was a mistake, they should have found a way to kill the levithans by now and been taking the fight too them by around mid season.

  • May 4, 2012, 8:55 p.m. CST


    by Paul

  • May 4, 2012, 9 p.m. CST

    and so Maher's rmlfdcetc. shitfest begins...

    by jay2517

    and i see goldberg is STILL bitching on why he cant understand Lost...

  • how's the anti-government, anti-obama life going, jay?

  • May 4, 2012, 9:51 p.m. CST

    On Fringe I really thought the bad guy...

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    was going to be Walternate. Seeing you-know-who-again made me whoop! outloud. Next week looks fantastic.

  • May 4, 2012, 10:15 p.m. CST

    OK lets try this again lana

    by Paul

    So I love every minute of Fringe, but it does have week spots like any show, The first half of season 1 and the first half of season 4. The first half of season 1 is mostly slow, it introduces characters and relies a lot on the freak of the week fallback kind of like Smallville was guilty of (I totally love Smallville so I'm not knocking it) Its not until about halfway into season 1 where David Robert Jones is introduced and they get into the myth of the show which is whats interesting, but also turns off the casual viewer. So you can ether slog through the first half or you can jump into the episode "In Which We Meet Mr. Jones " where the myth starts to be more prevelant and before that you can read the episode synosises on Fringepedia if you choose to or even jump in and then read them later to fill in the blanks. (Season 1 is at the bottom) Hope this helps!

  • May 4, 2012, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Leonard muthafukin Nimoy!!!

    by mongo126

    Fringe, you slick bastards!!!! They have so fucking delivered since the flashforward/Observer takeover episode. From the previews looks like we know what Bell did to Olivia and where the bullet Henrietta had came from. If they pull off what it looks like they might, the next 14 episodes could be geekgasm delight.

  • May 4, 2012, 10:37 p.m. CST

    While I'm on about Fringe

    by mongo126

    I'm really starting to think/hope that by the final episode all this will fold into a beautiful package. I've been rewatching from the beginning recently and if you go back, there's even stuff from the first half of season 1 that works into the overall arc. For continuity, Fringe is holding together much better than Lost....and I don't see the series ending with 14000 questions like you did when Jack closed his eyes. Bring it on Orci & Co.

  • That's also why this show is about a billion times better than Lost in general.

  • May 4, 2012, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Everything is reverting back...

    by monkey_tamer

    Did you notice when Jones died the half of his face that was sliced off in season 1 dissolved away. And, per the preview, it looks like the "bell" (no pun intended) that caused Belly to possess Olivia last season comes into play. They may not always pull it off flawlessly, but Fringe gets for at least trying to tie everything together.

  • May 4, 2012, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Fringe continues to put Lost to shame. That's nothing new.

    by elgato73

    Plus Leonard Nimoy. What more could you ask for?

  • May 4, 2012, 11:20 p.m. CST

    "gets points" is what I meant

    by monkey_tamer

  • May 5, 2012, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Great episode of Fringe

    by Paul

    Its too bad that Jones is gone again, but its cool that Bell is the new big bad. I'm curious though, I'm assuming that this is not the same Bell that sacrificed himself in the season 2 finale. Its cool that we're getting more Bell though, hopefully Nemoy lives long enough to film all of next season.

  • and i didnt think telling the truth and exposing the assbag Maher for what he is constitutes a *conspiracy* or a *theory* shit for brains...

  • May 5, 2012, 12:36 a.m. CST

    monkey_tamer -- Not only that but

    by Paul

    Did you notice how Astrid was reverting back to her motherly role with Walter? It was sad that she got shot.

  • May 5, 2012, 12:39 a.m. CST

    retirement? right. See I told you all so.

    by cozy

    I remember the interview with Nimoy where he said he met with the writers and they explained what they had in mind for the rest of the series. Of course they made it sound like he was only going to be in the few episodes of the early season. But he'd done it before with STII and then fooled everyone coming back for STIII. There was no way he was giving up acting.

  • I really do appreciate your help and suggestions. I will check out that Fringepedia site. And, I'm happy that you enjoyed Smallville. You're a good cookie, Paburrows! Thanks Again. Love, Lana :)

  • The best scifi show on TV, damn you for being on FOX. Sprint and Dell to the rescue!

  • May 5, 2012, 3:03 a.m. CST


    by Paul

    Well I say if thats what gives us another season then I'm happy to have Product placement.

  • May 5, 2012, 4:41 a.m. CST

    She's probably not dead. Pig Brains!

    by happybunni

  • May 5, 2012, 5:28 a.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    I'm sure he is at work and he is the one causing the universe to revert and did what it took to bring Peter back to reality. He's fighting in his own way.

  • May 5, 2012, 7:09 a.m. CST


    by A for Aristocrat

    I also like the Dick Roman/Patrick Bateman vibe. The actor has it nailed and he could have been one of the best villains they have had if the writers knew what to do with him. Season Seven has definitely been the weakest and they really seem to have lost their direction. The break down of Sam and Dean and their losses never seemed to pay off, along with Dean's alcoholism. I blame Sera Gamble and am really looking forward to season eight with Jeremy Carver. I love Being Human and it feels like a spiritual spin off of Supernatural. So only two more episodes to wrap up this crap season and hopefully better things will come after that.

  • May 5, 2012, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Leviathon beats angel. Really? They're really fucked.

    by Volllllume3

  • May 5, 2012, 8:35 a.m. CST

    I was shocked & delighted to see William Bell return(Nimoy)

    by batmancw

    I wonder what nest week's cliffhanger for the final 13 episodes will be. Since Peter & Olivia have yet to have their daughter & it's not 2015, we know it cant be them "ambering" themselves(and of course, Olivia was absent from the maber with no explanation_, although they are SURELY gonna have to follow up on that next season. Hmmmmm..whatever it is, i'm sure it'll be great. i LOVE this show Oh--That just reminded me, "Astro" cant die--we've seen her come out of the amber in the future. Cool.

  • May 5, 2012, 9:14 a.m. CST

    paburrows - I did notice "Astro" motherhen

    by monkey_tamer

    It was also awesome to see her kick some ass! I have a feeling (hope?) that next week the writers are going to tie this whole season into the larger arc. I don't think this season's "reset" is pointless as some people have accused it of being. But I've loved it just for the fact we got Jones back for a little while.

  • May 5, 2012, 9:37 a.m. CST


    by GlyphGuy

    Spoliers****** Astrid getting shot gave me the chills, don't know if I've gotten them from anything like that before. Thank's batmancw for reminding me she is alive in 2036. Bell is one crazy SOB. His 40 year chess game is very telling of his overall genius. He is always 1000 steps ahead of everyone. Olivia's powers are now honed to whatever degree she can manage. That scene on the buiding was great, like a light bulb went on.

  • May 5, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST

    That was a GREAT Fringe with great character moments.

    by gotilk

    Especially Walter and Avid. If they kill her, I will write a terse letter.

  • May 5, 2012, 10:36 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Stranger things have happened. Maybe we should start chanting 6 seasons and a movie like those Community people. I think their chant is a little different, but still. I swear though, because she and Walter have so much chemistry with each other (see what I did there?), if they kill off Susan, I might not watch again.

  • May 5, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Oh and even though I'm late...

    by gotilk

    Ditto on Ancient Aliens. Completely goofy, but better than ANY reality show out there. A blast to watch. Also PA, I could not find the link, but I do know that the season 5 trailer on YouTube says *This Fall on Fox* or something like that. Maybe it was *Coming...Fall on Fox*

  • May 5, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Yes! A Great Episode of Fringe!

    by Real Deal

    I really liked the return of Nimoy and hope that Astrid lives through this. I also don't think this season of reset was pointless. It allowed the characters ( and the audience ) to see things from a different perspective. Before the alternate univese inhabitants were kind of the bad guys. Now everyone knows this not to be true. It also allowed things to come full circle. We got Jones and Bell back and it also helped some of the loose ends from season one to be more fully clarified. I don't think anyone has mentioned the cryptic messages they've started putting on the screen on the right. Like during the " Letters of Transit " episode it said " Fight the Future " ( Xfiles? ) and this week it said " Darkest Before The Dawn ". I love this show.

  • May 5, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    About Astrid

    by Real Deal

    Seeing her in the Letters of Transit episode is doesn't mean living for her is a sure thing. I think that's one possible future. Remember if it happens Olivia has to die. I think it's a future to be avoided. But I also hope Astrid lives.

  • May 5, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Olivia is going to die (not a spoiler)

    by Extr3m1st

    It helps set up the whole 5th season. This years last episode is sure to set in motion Bell killing or having someone kill Olivia and for whatever reason all of our team ending up in amber. They will probably do something to go back in time to stop the observers and enable Anna Torv to actually still be on the show..or maybe the last season brings back Altlivia for the duration and the real Olivia stays dead. I seriously doubt that happens though.

  • May 5, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Olivio turned into Neo last night

    by GlyphGuy

    When she used her kinetic powers to toss aside the security guards guns it completely reminded me of Neo at the end of the Matrix stopping Agent Smith's bullets and tossing them aside. It seemed that she had that same revelation in her mind as she was doing it, like, "oh my god, I get it now!" If you want to take it a step further, I think Fringe is much more like The Matrix then it is Lost. Olivia = Neo Peter = Trinity Walter = Morpheus Astrid = Tank Bell = The Architect Observers = Agent Smiths

  • May 5, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Re : extr3m1st

    by Real Deal

    Well remember the whole frozen in Amber and Olivia's death doesn't happen until 2015. So maybe you're at least partially right and we'll see it one way and the rest of the 5th season will be about them changing it. And what about the possible future we saw at the end of season 3? Is that undone now that things are reverting back to the original timeline? They still have some splainin to do.

  • May 5, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Hm. Actually disappointed with Fringe

    by Mooly

    The show has always been great in my opinion and I've always defended it here. But this weeks episode really feels like they hoped to just ignore the last couple seasons hat hit a magic reset button. So now there is only 1 reality being discussed, characters who died are now back alive and suddenly the big evil even though they made it seem like the whole reason Peter is special is because of the Observers future takeover. And his daughter just magically disappeared too. And suddenly Olivia out of nowhere has the ability to control people and/or nano machines? I'll stick with this show until the end, but I'm not so sure about the future wit the latest "reset" move.

  • May 5, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Really Good Ep

    by rakesh patel

    nice to see Rebecca Mader again, although i gotta say comparing lost to fringe imho is bullshit. its comparing apples to oranges. Good to see nimoy again and out of retirement ( was he ever retired?) I~m alos hoping astrid makes it. All very exciting although i gotta say DRJ exit in fringe seemed a bit tame hammy he bumps into a pole and half of his face falls off...." i was the sacrifice!!!!!" i kinda lol'd

  • May 5, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Fringe is getting better and better

    by fuck.wit

    And i'll surely be buying the bluray set when it's out in its entirity (unlike that pile of shit Lost with the really shitty ending. Really spoiled it). Awesome work Fringe team 8-)

  • May 5, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Brilliant Bastard Bell

    by rakesh patel

    "i was the bishop!"

  • May 5, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    there is only one Bishop:

    by BillCarson

  • Usually they post the show 12 hours after but I think someone fell asleep at the wheel.

  • May 5, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Ok ok. Got it. Other Bell dead. Thanks! :-)

    by tangcameo

    Although, did he die in a car crash in this timeline or the original timeline? (Haven't checked the YouTube clips provided just yet) If Tasha Yar from another timeline can begat a lookalike daughter, then why can't OtherBell be alive in a non-Peter timeline? (Again, haven't caught up on the your provided clips. So I may still be wrong. And really lazy.)

  • May 5, 2012, 4:57 p.m. CST


    by MrDark

    She's had the potential for telekinesis for some time. Maybe you missed a season?

  • May 5, 2012, 4:59 p.m. CST

    You can kill them

    by MrDark

    But I think they'll still do something like shifting Lucifer into him, otherwise there was really no point in keeping Cas/Lucifer around.

  • May 5, 2012, 5 p.m. CST


    by MrDark

    I'll admit it isn't the greatest season, but I think it is finishing pretty strong. It took Bobby dying to kick things off.

  • May 5, 2012, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Olivia's fate

    by mongo126

    Given the fact that the core of Fringe is its characters, I just can't see Olivia not being around through the finale.

  • May 5, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Astrid will survive because of the Lemon Cake.

    by cookylamoo

    Remember how the Lemon Cake healed itself? Was that just a throwaway bit? No, not on Fringe, my friend.

  • May 5, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST


    by adml_shake

    Have you even watched the past seasons? Most of those questions have been answered. Since someone already answered the Olivia one guess I'll take a crack at the Billy one. Billy was always the less ethical one. Walter has hinted at this many times over the years, that it was Billy who always wanted to push forward, consequences be damned. In the old time line the one thing that kept Walter from going full on darkside was Peter. Now for whatever reason he still followed the same steps to make sure he didn't go all evil in this time line. But, I would imagine that once both Peters died Walter probably just didn't care what Billy did anymore and let him run amok. And now we are seeing the results of that.

  • May 5, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST


    by JaredP

    let us know when you come down from cookoo land, will ya?

  • May 5, 2012, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Bill Maher can suck it

    by Jeditemple

    Biggest horse's ass on television.

  • May 5, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Nice to see all of these Lost players appearing on Fringe

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    Desmond last week, and Charlotte this week (plus, Hurley two seasons ago). Now, if we can just get Sawyer to make an appearance...

  • ...i cant get out of cookoo land if u wont let me...

  • May 6, 2012, 12:49 a.m. CST

    i like jeditemple's mindset...

    by jay2517

  • May 6, 2012, 3:43 a.m. CST

    I were thinking to myself the other day

    by Johnboy40

    how cool it would be if Nimoy wasn't in talks with Abrams & co for the next star trek, but actually for the last season of Fringe. Wasnt that far off, it seems. It would be cool to have him as the big bad for the last season, and therefore for the whole show.

  • May 6, 2012, 5:46 a.m. CST


    by rakesh patel

    can't remember seeing that python sketch before. hilarious!

  • May 6, 2012, 6:32 a.m. CST

    The bloody ep's not even on iTunes Canada! Grrrrrrr

    by tangcameo

    Although that would explain why CityTV doesn't have it on their website yet.

  • JAY2511????????? REALLY????? LAAAAAAAMMMMEEEESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 6, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

  • May 6, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    Get it? NEW AND IMPROVED!!!!!

  • May 6, 2012, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Is it just me or

    by theGoldbergV

    Is Nimoy just not very good in this role? He's not outright bad but everything is so one note and this week he was actually a Bond villain. He actually did an evil laugh while looking out a window for fucks sake. You do wonder what someone like hmmm Steven Root might have done with that role. It was a good episode though. Interesting to see if this Bell story ties in to Peter's disappearance and/or the Observers.

  • ....if u were an AICN progressive, i would wish his quick demise, but im not :)

  • May 6, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    So typical of you HACKS!!!!!

  • May 6, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    Dumb fuck!!!!

  • May 6, 2012, 7:34 p.m. CST

    hmmm 2511 seems like an intelligent person....

    by jay2517

    ....they are representing the '25 well. and if ur being a *spelling cop*, u just misspelled *conservative* little man. BTW- what do u want for ur 16th birthday?

  • May 6, 2012, 7:53 p.m. CST

    The mama's-basement demographic loves Maher.

    by TheyPeedOnYourFuckingRug

    Good to see you guys represented here; it takes all kinds to fuck up this world.

  • May 6, 2012, 8:01 p.m. CST

    ^^^^ PEDERASTS!!!! ^^^^^

    by I am the Terminator

  • May 6, 2012, 8:28 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    Are you all from the same jerk off ranch?? or from some sort of outpatient clinic?? LAME-O!!!!!!

  • May 6, 2012, 8:34 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    Usually, CONSERVATARDS try to hide their deep dark secret!! Spelling is correct!! NEW AND IMPROVED!!!!!!!!

  • May 6, 2012, 9:16 p.m. CST


    by MrLongbaugh

    Hey Jay. i am the terminator is old and outdated!!! I tried to get into a discussion with some libs on here at the end of April. One tried to tell me that Bush spent more money and added to the deficit than Obama. All kinds of crazy stuff. Kind of makes you wonder about their mental state.

  • May 6, 2012, 9:43 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    5 TRILLION!! to Obama's 1.4 Trillion!!!! look up their policies and see how much they cost!! Some of which BUSH didn't even try to pay for!! NEW AND IMPROVED, BIATCHES!!!!!

  • May 6, 2012, 9:46 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

  • May 6, 2012, 10:08 p.m. CST

    @i am a joke of a terminator

    by MrLongbaugh

    When President Obama took office two years ago, the national debt stood at $10.626 trillion. It now stands at $14.071 trillion — a staggering increase of $3.445 trillion in just 735 days (about $5 billion a day). To put that into perspective, when President George W. Bush took office, our national debt was $5.768 trillion. By the time Bush left office, it had nearly doubled, to $10.626 trillion. So Bush’s record on deficit spending was not good at all: During his presidency, the national debt rose by an average of $607 billion a year. How does that compare to Obama? During Obama’s presidency to date, the national debt has risen by an average of $1.723 trillion a year — or by a jaw-dropping $1.116 trillion more, per year, than it rose even under Bush. How much in deficit spending did Bush spend on average per day during his presidency? It’s pretty easy to figure out: $607 billion/365 days = $1.66 billion per day. That’s a lot of spending, Georgie. Shame on you! But compared to Obama’s $5 BILLION of deficit spending per day? Obama spent well over three times more per day every single day than did Bush. If you want to argue that Bush looks bad, fine. Bush looks bad. But Obama looks positively vile. The article proceeds to present another way to calculate deficit spending by going a little deeper into the weeds: In fairness, however, Obama can’t rightly be held accountable for the 2009 budget, which he didn’t sign (although he did sign a $410 billion pork-laden omnibus spending bill for that year, which is nevertheless tallied in Bush’s column). Rather, Obama’s record to date should really be based on actual and projected spending in fiscal years 2010 and 2011 (plus the $265 billion portion of the economic “stimulus” package, which he initiated and signed, that was spent in 2009 (Table S-10), while Bush’s should be based on 2002-09 (with the exception of that same $265 billion, which was in no way part of the 2009 budgetary process). How do Bush and Obama compare on closer inspection? Just about like they do on an initial glance. According to the White House’s Office of Management and Budget, during his eight fiscal years, Bush ran up a total of $3.283 trillion in deficit spending (p. 22). In his first two fiscal years, Obama will run up a total of $2.826 trillion in deficit spending ($1.294 trillion in 2010, an estimated $1.267 trillion in 2011 (p. 23), and the $265 billion in “stimulus” money that was spent in 2009). Thus, Bush ran up an average of $410 billion in deficit spending per year, while Obama is running up an average of $1.413 trillion in deficit spending per year — or $1.003 trillion a year more than Bush. Obama, of course, has said the economy made him do it. But the average inflation-adjusted deficits through Obama’s first two fiscal years will be more than ten times higher than the average inflation-adjusted deficit during the Great Depression. Even as a percentage of the gross domestic product, the average deficits in Obama’s first two fiscal years will more than three times higher the average deficit during the Great Depression. The fact that Obama’s deficits have, by any standard, more than tripled those of the Great Depression, cannot convincingly be blamed on the current recession. And none of this even takes into account Obamacare, which the Congressional Budget Office says would increase spending by more than $2 trillion in its real first decade (2014 to 2023) — and which, even under very rosy projections, the CBO says would increase the national debt by $341 billion by the end of 2019. It’s not often that one gets to hear a call for “responsible” fiscal stewardship from someone whose deficit spending is outpacing President Bush’s by more than $1 trillion a year — yet that’s apparently what we’ll get to hear tonight. But President Obama’s actions tell another, far clearer, story about his commitment to deficit reduction. So let’s recalculate based on the deeper analysis. Bush’s deficit spending was $410 billion a year divided by 365 days, which equals $1.1 billion per day. Versus Obama’s deficit spending, which has been $1,413 billion a year divided by 365, which equals $3.87 billion per day. That is 3.5 times more spending every single day from Obama. Now, particularly dumbass liberals often try to argue that George Bush somehow made his war spending “off budget.” That is such a pile of crap it is unreal. Who controls the spending? CONGRESS DOES. Congress ALWAYS had the power to cut off funding for the Afghanistan and Iraq Wars any time it wanted. And the simple fact of the matter is that Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi – who controlled the Senate and House respectively – agreed on how to handle the funding of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. It was DEMOCRATS who did not want to be in the position of having to either support war funding and enrage their base or vote against it and enrage the American people. So it was NOT George Bush who took war funding “off budget,” it was Democrats who were afraid to be held accountable. And every penny that Bush spent on the war and on everything else ultimately showed up in his spending and in his debt. The problem is that there are truly stupid people who have no clue how government works and live in a world of lies. The federal government is twice as large as it was ten years ago. And Bush is partly responsible for this, no question about it. But it is 30% larger than it was just two years ago, and therefore Obama’s share of this increase is huge in relation to Bush’s. We can’t go on like this. We will soon be going the way of the Dodo bird. Democrats offered no plans – NONE. ZERO. – to deal with the fact that Medicare will be bankrupt and collapse in 2016. That is less than five years away. But it’s actually much worse than that. For example, as recently as December 2010, the estimate was that it would go bankrupt “as early as 2017,” according to CBS reporting. Which is to say that it is going broke a lot faster than the experts have been anticipating; and it easily could go broke by 2014 instead of 2016. And Obama has no plan. He has completely abdicated any leadership whatsoever. He offered a budget that was so ridiculous (it would have added $12 trillion to the debt) that not even ONE DEMOCRATS would vote for it. It failed 97-0 in the Democrat-controlled Senate. Just how massive a failure is Obama? And since then he has offered NOTHING but fearmongering and demonization. We desperately need leadership. We desperately need a plan. And Obama – who is supposed to be seeking to rally the nation behind a common cause – is instead merely offering demagogic partisan speeches. When he is not spending American into bankruptcy and financial implosion. Update: Before this article was published, I came across this angle on the same issue: Obama: More than Twice the Debt in Half the Time as Bush by House Committee on Ways and Means A recent “infographic” released by the White House tries to assign the blame for our massive debt and deficits to former President Bush and Republican Congresses. However, the graphic conveniently omits President Obama’s record and his plans for the fiscal future of our country. If the President had his way and his Fiscal Year 2012 budget proposal was enacted, here is what a comparison of the increase in public debt would look like: The debt held by the public increased $2.4 trillion between 2000 and 2008, from $3.4 trillion to $5.8 trillion. Under President Obama’s budget proposal, the debt held by the public is projected to increase $6.1 trillion between 2008 and 2012, from $5.8 trillion to $11.9 trillion. That means that President Obama will more than double the debt accumulated under President Bush in half the time. Twice the debt in half the time: courtesy of the Obama Administration. Pretty much no matter how you slice it, Obama is a big government socialist out to bankrupt America faster than anyone who ever came before him. This article should put into perspective just how totally awful this deceitful hypocrite Obama has been for America. “God damn America” will not remain solvent if he gets another four years.

  • May 6, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST

    If I wanted Obama bashing, I'd watch Fox

    by mongo126

  • May 6, 2012, 10:38 p.m. CST


    by MrLongbaugh

    You need to talk to the termy boy, mcgoo, kai, and the others then. They are the ones always bringing it up.

  • May 6, 2012, 10:44 p.m. CST

    by I am the Terminator

    Biggest contributer to our deficit is the long term consequences of the BUSH tax cuts which were implemented at a time when spending was on the upswing. READ IT AND BE SURE TO LOOK AT THE FANCY CHARTS, MRSHORTDONG!! Wiith President Obama and Republican leaders calling for cutting the budget by trillions over the next 10 years, it is worth asking how we got here — from healthy surpluses at the end of the Clinton era, and the promise of future surpluses, to nine straight years of deficits, including the $1.3 trillion shortfall in 2010. The answer is largely the Bush-era tax cuts, war spending in Iraq and Afghanistan, and recessions. Despite what antigovernment conservatives say, non-defense discretionary spending on areas like foreign aid, education and food safety was not a driving factor in creating the deficits. In fact, such spending, accounting for only 15 percent of the budget, has been basically flat as a share of the economy for decades. Cutting it simply will not fill the deficit hole. The first graph shows the difference between budget projections and budget reality. In 2001, President George W. Bush inherited a surplus, with projections by the Congressional Budget Office for ever-increasing surpluses, assuming continuation of the good economy and President Bill Clinton’s policies. But every year starting in 2002, the budget fell into deficit. In January 2009, just before President Obama took office, the budget office projected a $1.2 trillion deficit for 2009 and deficits in subsequent years, based on continuing Mr. Bush’s policies and the effects of recession. Mr. Obama’s policies in 2009 and 2010, including the stimulus package, added to the deficits in those years but are largely temporary. The second graph shows that under Mr. Bush, tax cuts and war spending were the biggest policy drivers of the swing from projected surpluses to deficits from 2002 to 2009. Budget estimates that didn’t foresee the recessions in 2001 and in 2008 and 2009 also contributed to deficits. Mr. Obama’s policies, taken out to 2017, add to deficits, but not by nearly as much. A few lessons can be drawn from the numbers. First, the Bush tax cuts have had a huge damaging effect. If all of them expired as scheduled at the end of 2012, future deficits would be cut by about half, to sustainable levels. Second, a healthy budget requires a healthy economy; recessions wreak havoc by reducing tax revenue. Government has to spur demand and create jobs in a deep downturn, even though doing so worsens the deficit in the short run. Third, spending cuts alone will not close the gap. The chronic revenue shortfalls from serial tax cuts are simply too deep to fill with spending cuts alone. Taxes have to go up. In future decades, when rising health costs with an aging population hit the budget in full force, deficits are projected to be far deeper than they are now. Effective health care reform, and a willingness to pay more taxes, will be the biggest factors in controlling those deficits.  

  • May 6, 2012, 10:52 p.m. CST


    by MrLongbaugh

    So why did Obama extend the tax cuts? And of course spending increases when you go to war. So you think we should have acted like 9/11 never happened and just went about our business? And of course this article would come from the N.Y. Times, the most Liberal paper in the country. Big surprise there. Now go and read the entire post above.

  • May 6, 2012, 10:53 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    DUH!!! Fucks!!

  • May 6, 2012, 10:59 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    I know you didnt write that shizzle yourself!! Obama extended the cuts because of politics and a FUCKTARD Congress who convinced a bunch of dumbasses that the rich couldn't afford it!! Why do you think it's ok to spend on war but not pay for it!????? What you said is a STRAWMAN and NOT an answer to the question of spending. YOU DON'T CUT TAXES WHEN YOU GO TO WAR!!

  • May 6, 2012, 11:01 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator


  • May 6, 2012, 11:07 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    and that Iraqi oil would pay the bill. WRONG!! and the interest, cost to the military (6times the norm), veterans' benefits, and on and on and on just keeps accruing!! BUT what do CONSERVATARDS want to do????? Cut more taxes and INCREASE DEFENSE SPENDING!! STUPID FUCKS!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 6, 2012, 11:10 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    he embarrasses the nation. LATER BIATCHES!!

  • ....and, obviously, my reference to "they" went over ur 15 yr old head. LAME AS USUAL!!!!

  • USED AND ABUSED!!!! tell ur mom/girlfriend to be nicer to u and all will be forgiven!!! termy's been... USED AND ABUSED!!!!

  • LAME AS USUAL.....and.... USED AND ABUSED!!!!!

  • May 6, 2012, 11:41 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    GOTCHA CONSERVATARD!! Again with your 15 YEAR OLD obsession!! ARE YOU SURE IT'S NOT AN ORAL FIXATION?? because I'll gladly piss in your mouth for $20. You can put it towards the DEFICIT!!!! Talk about USED AND ABUSED?? NEW AND IMPROVED!!!!!!!!

  • May 6, 2012, 11:49 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    between that and his love of young boys, is it any wonder that he comes here to try to fondle his piggly-wiggly and feel important?? JUST COME OUT OF THE CLOSET, WHY DON'T CHA?????

  • May 6, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST

    WTF!!! Why can't I open any posts?!?!? GHEY!

    by mongo126

  • May 6, 2012, 11:57 p.m. CST


    by mongo126

    Fuck that. I want to talk about Fringe. Last time I checked this is a geek site, not a place for political bullshit.

  • May 7, 2012, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Medicare Won't "go bankrupt"

    by cookylamoo

    It would be forced to reduce payments if things got bad and that's what republicans want to do anyway. But I say if 20 year olds don't want medicare then I'll enjoy it and fuck them.

  • May 7, 2012, 7:16 a.m. CST


    by MrLongbaugh

    I totally agree, although I don't watch fringe. I said before, it always starts by someone bashing conservatives or Republicans. Just look at the post above from termy. Talking about someone liking 15 year olds and then pissing in someones mouth. That is what I have come to expect from them. So...tell me about Fringe and what is best about the show.

  • May 7, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST


    by Mooly

    I've been watching Fringe since episode 1. I still have no memory of Olivia having the ability to control other people. All I remember is her ability to turn off lights, which I assume was more about controlling machines/technology and the ability to travel between realities. I honestly don't recall any evidence that she could be the puppet-master. And my issue isn't that I don't understand the story. My issue is that this latest storyline is nothing more than a reset button, more or less completely writing off the first few seasons. Kill off bell and that other guy? Hey, we need them back so let's create a new timeline where they lived. Peter Bishop has a baby with the wrong Olivia (which I thought was an amazingly interesting move)? Just create a new timeline and erase it and start over again. Two realities getting to be a bit much? Let's just close the bridge and maybe we can forget about the crisis of the two realities for a while. I've loved Fringe since it first started, but this recent episode really bugged me because of this move to seemingly just start over now that they know the end is near.

  •, u cant make this shit up lol! i dont know which is worse....termy's doubling down on his stupidity, repressed homosexuality/pedophilia or his reading comprehension skills. when in doubt choose all of the above, i say lol. LAME AS USUAL!!!

  • May 7, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    and it looks like tremy mutating to Admiral Ackbar lol....

    by jay2517

    .....*ITS A TRAP*!!!! USED AND ABUSED!!!!

  • ....maybe they finally realized who and what the coward is? i mean, how long can u ignorantly defend the indefensible??

  • May 7, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    I GUESS YOU'RE TOO STUPID TO REALIZE THE SIMPLICITY OF THE JOKE!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! Cuz I knew your dumbass would be coming back!! That's right CONSERVATARD!! I love USING you and ABUSING you!! NEW AND IMPROVED!!!!!!

  • May 7, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator


  • May 7, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    in jay's world...

    by JaredP

    bill maher is an intollerant piece of shit and the republicans are feminist and pro choice

  • May 7, 2012, 7:38 p.m. CST

    ur a sad fella, jaredp...and delusional now it seems...

    by jay2517

    the first part of ur statement is absolutely correct however, dont know what the hell ur on in the second part. im thinking its sarcasm, but i think u really believe it. so sad...

  • *A TRAP AS IN I WAS PRETENDING TO LEAVE THE TALKBACK!!*....W-T-F??? ur were *pretending* to leave the talkback?? annnnnnd how exactly does one *pretend* to leave a talkback LOL?? do tell! and thats a *trap* how? by ur idiot 15 yr old logic I TRICKED YOU because u came back and responded to my *trap*. god, u are a fucking imbecile. a certifiable fucking imbecile. *I GUESS YOU'RE TOO STUPID TO REALIZE THE SIMPLICITY OF THE JOKE!!*....uhhhhh u responded to my post then i responded to ur post. thats what happens in a talkback moron. again, by ur idiot 15 yr old logic, EVERYONE is *trapping* everyone in EVERY talkback by posting. man, u got us termy!! u are the master strategist!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA *pretending to leave the talkback*!! what a fucking moron!! *AND I SEE THAT NO ONE HAS REFUTED MY FACTS.* we will when u present some. USED and ABUSED!!!

  • May 7, 2012, 10:10 p.m. CST

    jay just fuck off

    by JaredP

    you don't have a leg to stand on anymore. you can't prove bill maher is a bigot and you can't defned the republicans when they are totally in the wrong. p.s. you also can't spell for shit, redneck

  • May 7, 2012, 10:55 p.m. CST

    @mrlongbaugh - What's great about Fringe

    by mongo126

    For a sci-fi geek, so many things. Think of it as what X-Files could have been if Chris Carter didn't have ADD when it comes to plotlines/mythology. However, even with the cool mythology and stories, it's all about the characters. Hell, John Noble alone makes it worth watching. Seriously, if you consider yourself a geek, you should watch. What's awesome is that the first half of the first season was originally considered "throwaway" but they've tied a lot of stuff back and the series plays more cohesively now as a total body of work. So happy that they get the final run they deserve.

  • u CONSTANTLY ignore them. why is that u fucking moron? because u cant let the facts about that piece of shit Maher ruin ur image of him. and, NOW, u have shown ur bigotry fuckwad....*p.s. you also can't spell for shit, redneck* wonder Maher is ur hero! ur just a fucking bigoted as he is LOL! hypocrisy, thy name is jaredp lol! *and you can't defned the republicans when they are totally in the wrong.*--- what the fuck does Republican have to do with the bigoted misogynist Maher?? keep using that patented AICN progressive deflection! when u cant refute my facts, bring up something totally irrelevant lol.deflect away u numbskull. oh yea, u misspelled *defend* as *defned* dipshit LOL!!! ahhh u freaking AICN Maher worshipers :)

  • May 8, 2012, 9:37 a.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    CONSIDER YOURSELF SUCCESSFULLY TROLLED, MOTHERFUCKER!!!! Stupid idiots like you who puff their chests up on Talkback forums are the LAMEST PEOPLE UN THE WORLD!!!! HAHA!! I can't even believe how simple minded you are. What a dumbass!! Still keep believing that I'm 15 while you project your PEDERAST fantasies upon me. Nothing makes you look more disgusting. except the ignoring of the facts contained in my post WHICH YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY CHOSEN TO IGNORE!! If you're still unsure, let me help you: NEW AND IMPROVED!!!!!!!!

  • Life is way too short for this bullshit on this site - juvwenilw baiting and insulting- gee, how fun, if you are so frustrated with life this is a good outlet to vent and feel superior - I don't need that Geek talk with friends and making new ones is much more fun - I will leave the head butting to people who are more into the insult thing than I am now- grown out of it- be well my fellow Americans on both sides- I expect nothing but more insults from both sides- but they wil go unread- so waste your time if you must

  • May 8, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST


    by MrLongbaugh

    I will definitely check it out. I was more into Twilight Zone and Night Gallery than X-Files, but I know what you are saying. Have a good week.

  • May 8, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST


    by MrLongbaugh

    I saw The Avengers yesterday in IMAX in all its glory. I loved it. I do believe it makes it harder for the future stand alone movies(IM3, Thor2, etc...), but I will see them all. I have noticed in a few recent TB's where you seemed sort of depressed. Life giving you lemons and such. Cheer up and take it a day at a time. Take care.

  • Glad you liiked the Avengers- can't wait to see it myself- I need a good superhero geekgasm

  • mrlongbaugh - thank you again - you are a standup guy, and thanks for helping me to cheer up a little today- it is unfortunate that political talk always degenerates into a bloody mess of insults instead of eye-opening and the seeking of larger truths through stimulated intellectual curiosity - maybe- some day-- humankind can get past the phase we are stuck in right now

  • i just trolled u termy!! i am the trapper now!! see, i got u to think that i would think that u thought i was leaving and then that got u thinking that i wouldnt think to think to trap u which i was doing the whole time!!! see?? ahhhhhh HA! TROLLED AND TRAPPED!!!

  • good for u! finally seeing the error of ur ways. too bad the reat of ur ilk cant. maybe u can persuade them? i hope so. but, dont forget warning track....Obama ate dog!!!! :)

  • May 8, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    the only way out is to shoot ourselves. You go first. NEW AND IMPROVED!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 8, 2012, 9:08 p.m. CST


    by MrLongbaugh

    Hey Jay. First of all, I do not mean to disrepsect you in any way. I just want to ask a favor. Mcgootoo stated above that he doesn't want to be involved in any more political discussions with all the name calling and what not. I think we should honor his wishes and leave him out of it. I, for one, won't be having any more discussions with him regarding politics. We will talk about movies, our favorite TV shows, and other things that the majority of people come here to discuss. I would really appreciate it if you would do the same. He is a person, just like you and I, and deserves to be treated with honor and respect. I was in the Marines and honor and respect mean a lot to me. If some of the others want to continue to act like they do(you know you I am speaking of), then I will continue to go toe to toe with them. But as far as I am concerned, Mcgootoo isn't on that list any more. Thanks!!

  • May 8, 2012, 9:09 p.m. CST


    by MrLongbaugh

  • May 8, 2012, 9:15 p.m. CST


    by MrLongbaugh

    I hope you get the chance to see it in IMAX. As far as I am concerned, that is the only way to go. It was the best theatre experience I have had in a while. Don't for get to stay after the credits. There are two little clips to check out. Thanks for your kind words. I try to treat others the way I wish to be treated. If some of the others want to continue to bring politics to the site and get into hateful arguments...well, I can give as good as I can take. You, however aren't on my list of those people. I hope that in the future we can have polite, pleasent, and thought provoking conversations about all our favorite geek stuff. Once again...thanks and take care!!!

  • May 9, 2012, 8 a.m. CST

    mrlongbaugh - thank you sir

    by Michael Lunney

    I wish I could get ti see it in a theater, but those days now seem to be behind me. I see everything now on DVD. I have much respect for your position, and thank you from the bottom of my heart. I just can't handle the unbridled hatred due to political differences, and find it neither enlightenng or pleasurable to engage in the mind numbing insults and negativity, and one person in particular made it personal and hurtful for no good reason. If I added fuel to the fire, that was my mistake, but not anymore. Done. If you liked The Avengers, you should most definitely check out the animated series that is on Sunday mornings. The last few episodes were directed by Boyd Kirkland, who directed many fine episodes of Batman: THe Animated Series in the 90s. He died recently at the age of 60. Last week's episode was dedicated to him. And thank you for serving our country. Much respect. I slaute you. You are one of the good guys. I wish we all were working towards a common goal, instead of feeling like a need to divide and conquer.

  • May 9, 2012, 8:37 a.m. CST

    mrlongbaugh -Much respect. I slaute you. = salute you, oops..

    by Michael Lunney

  • does sound like he has reached some kind of rock bottom type epiphany. see, ive been here awhile and mcgoo has been one of the most vile, politically intolerant, bitter, name calling poster there is/was on here. and his sudden *turn around* doesnt change my opinion in the least bit. i dont like him and i prob never will. hes a piece of shit and just because his life has become more *lemon* infused doesnt mean he gets a reprieve from me. i salute u on ur *turning the other cheek*, but if u have gotten some of the posts i have from him, i dont think ud be so easily forgiving. and im serious on him persuading his ilk to his *new side*. im like u, i treat people exactly the way they treat me and i give as good as i get. maybe mcgoo could channel his new *good* energy into something that actually benefits a talkback. we shall see :) glad u made a new friend longbaugh.

  • ....its pretty sad really. we used to have some good discussions in the old LOST talkbacks. he seems to forgot, but i havent :)

  • May 9, 2012, 5:32 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    Even after your gallant owning of and appeal to JAY2517-90210's non-existant better nature, he proves that he's incapable of being anything other than a snide piece of SHIT. FACT!!!!!!!!!! Don't look for any semblance of grace from that jerk sock!! He's too busy trying to look like a TOUGHGUYRIZZO!!!!!!!!! NEW AND IMPROVED!!

  • May 9, 2012, 5:47 p.m. CST

    ^here is a perfect example for rehab^

    by jay2517

    do they have rehab for children though? BTW- the rizz is cool :)

  • I do not remember you from the Lost talkbacks, but I hope we had pleasant conversations then. Anyone can change, any time they want to. If they want to. Peace, fellow Ameican. Now if you need to be political, more power to you. Just don't involve me anymore. Thanks, and be well.

  • May 9, 2012, 6:02 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator


  • May 9, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

  • May 9, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST

    David Lynch said it best in Blue Velvet

    by Michael Lunney

  • May 9, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST

    the way I see it

    by MrLongbaugh

    This is the way I see it. Mcgootoo and I have agreed that we won't be engaging in any more of the political mudslinging that goes on in some of the TB's. He is cool with me and I think he feels the same. Jay and I have been on the recieving end of some pretty nasty comments. I personally haven't seen Mcgoo say any thing too bad. What has gone on in the past is betweeen you two. I do think we can all agree that we have had a civilized conversation the last few posts. I think all 3 of us have shown that we can behave and conduct ourselves like adults. There is no need to sit there and say hateful things to each other. I am cool with Jay just like I am cool with Mcgoo. If you can consider my conversation with Mcgoo as us being friends, then that's cool. I would like to think that Jay and I are friends. We have never had a cross word between us. And contrary to what termy says, I think Jay has stated that he is willing to let things go and move on. I am pretty sure that Mcgoo has stated the same. So, we are going to be civil to one another and keep the political bullshit out of it. Now I have come to termy and how he fits into this. You have made some vile and disgusting comments to Jay and myself. Mr. Shortdong? liking 15 year olds? pissing in someone's mouth? Really? I mean come on man. Jay says you act like you are 15 and to tell you the truth, based on your behavior, I would have to agree. You sound so immature when you say shit like that. The comments you make remind me of stuff kids would say on the school bus. Sounds like you were trying to bait Jay and Mcgoo above. How about this? Mcgootoo, Jay, and myself are done with that juvenile crap. You can come here and post all the ignorant stuff you want. We will read it, laugh, and go to the next post. We are going to talk about movies, TV, comics, books, and other geeky sutff. If you want to continue to make hateful posts, then you will be showing who the adults are, and who the kids are. Peace out everyone. Just be cool.

  • May 9, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST


    by MrLongbaugh

    Unfortunately I am in the middle of a move from one state to another. I don't have access to my normal TV package right now. As soon as I get settled, I will do my best to catch the animated Avengers you spoke of. Take it easy and peace be with you.

  • mrlongbaugh - succinct - I respect your civility - my best friend is a libertarian- i have known him for 45 years- we are both movie and TV and comic book geeks, and politics does not rule our lives _ we watch movies together evey Friday night as traditional holds- I invite you back here to observe how this Friday TV talkback goes- I will not be involved with it, but rest assured, the civility you are hoping for, from all parties cited above, will probably not be in play. Just look above - I had more fun talking about Fringe and Ancient Aliens than about Bill Maher, because I know what will happen if I, or anyone else does. Again, check out The Avengers animated series. It is top notch storytelling. And if you are into it, you should watch the entire run of Young Justice. It is one of the best shows on TV right now. And I know of what I speak.

  • mrlongbaugh - Hope your move goes smoothly- my Dad was in the Navy and we moved constantly - lived in 5 different states over 12 years- - it was always hard leaving friends behind- - peace to you as well

  • ...and we did have some pretty good confos in the old Lost tb's. i defended u and u defended me. thats why i was so surprised that u attacked me so personally and hatefully in the political tb's. u were pretty jekell and hyde to me. i believe u were just plain 'ol mcgoo back in the day. glad uve changed :)


  • irrelevant :)

  • May 10, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST

    jay2517 - what was your name back in the Lost days?

    by Michael Lunney

  • You must be a nice guy, as you said we had many great conversations about Lost, but I don't remember asnything specific ,but, hyperbole and misstatements do not make you seem as nice as you must be. Do you cinsider you approach to people you disagree with to be polite and convivial, or confrontational and belittling? for example: March 16 talkback I am having a conversation with OTHER people about the movie Game Change, among other things. I never addressed you or tried to involve you with my opinion of this film. I liked it - you were critical- the movie made me feel sympathetic to Sarah P. for the first time. THat was significant to me. YOU THEN INITIATED THE FOLLOWING RESPONSE TO CONVERSATIONS I WAS HAVING WITH OTHER PEOPLE, BY FIRST STATING, IN TYPICAL CONFRONTATIONAL MANNER THE FOLLOWING: Mar 16, 2012 8:35:55 PM CDT poor, poor Mcgoo.... by jay2517 his delusions know no bounds. anyway... AND THEN YOU TRIED TO TELL ME WHY MY OPINION WAS AN INCORRECT OPINION, which can be summed up with, *the film was not a hatchet job,:AND YOU END THEN AGAIN WITH: as i saidmcgoo, ur delusions know no bounds.... Please , please just stop it. I obviously hit a nerve with you somewhere. I am trying to make amends. Don't make it out to be worse than what it is by just making things up about me. Have I insulted you?. Yes. Do you insult everyone you disagree with - SEEMS THAT WAY. I would love to have a normal conversation with you about anything other than politics. Again, sorry if I said things to you that amount to worse things than you say to people you disagree with. Just a little perspective- If you need to attack me again- well. that would be expected. Some people do not like to be corrected. I hope this is the end of all this shit, you go on attacking Maher every Friday, so you THEN get to insult those who disagree with you, and I will no longer care, because that is something you get pleasure from, and I just don't care about our differences of political opinions. Peace. Tomorrow should be an interesting day as I read with rapt pleasure. Try changing up your approach occassionally to be something more than strictly sbout politics. Remember Lost days? You would be a lot more fun to read. Now, what are you going to be in response to this - a peacemaker, or..... here is an opportunity to show me we can finally bury the hatchet in a manner that is honest for both of us. Thanks.

  • May 10, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST

    I have an idea

    by MrLongbaugh

    Jay...Mcgooo, you both seem like nice guys. Jay- I understand your dislike for Maher, and you are entitled to your opinion. But I think Mcgoo has made it clear that he no longer wants to be involved in any political discussions. If someone starts a conversation about politics, feel free to go in there and give em your best. I just think Mcgoo is tired of that and just wants to be left out of it. I am not going to be a hypocrite and swear that I won't respond if baited or attacked. But I CAN promise you one thing, Mcgoo will be left out of it. Let's put all the BS aside and move forward. We can be the Three Amigos, LOL. Take care you two.

  • May 10, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST

    mrlongbaugh - thank you- again - you make a great mediator

    by Michael Lunney

  • ....u seem to have a bad memory. bringing up a RECENT tb is not valid evidence since ur attacks on me started LONG ago and MANY tb's ago. hence me treating u the same way u have treated me. u attacked me (and MANY other people) first and quite a lot simply because i had the gall(?) to have a differing opinion than urs. i could tear apart ur recent *evidence* of my *transgression* towards u, but i wont since u want to drop political things. *Have I insulted you?. Yes. Do you insult everyone you disagree with - SEEMS THAT WAY.* it *seems that way* because they attack/attacked me and insult/insulted me FIRST. this is fact. just watch the next Maher or stupid Herc political tb. u will see. see how they attack and insult supermarch or couglins laws or any other conservative. YOU used to be that way. *Don't make it out to be worse than what it is by just making things up about me.* i havent. i never make up things. im like a elephant that way lol. *If you need to attack me again- well. that would be expected. Some people do not like to be corrected.* no *attack* from me. u didnt correct me. and i get no *pleasure* from treating people the way they treat me. i dont give a shit either way. if they dont respond to me, i wouldnt give a fuck. like i said, just watch and see who attacks who. my name is and always been jay2517. werent u just mcgoo back then? BTW- the hatchets been buried for me for the past 4-5 posts now :)

  • May 10, 2012, 8:10 p.m. CST

    no prob baugh

    by jay2517

  • May 10, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST

    @jay and mcgootoo

    by MrLongbaugh

    So...are we going to be the Three Amigos now? LOL

  • May 11, 2012, 12:08 a.m. CST

    i gotta be Martin though....

    by jay2517

  • May 11, 2012, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Cool Beans

    by MrLongbaugh

    OK....Jay is Martin. The big question now is who will Mcgoo want to be? I would prefer to be Chevy, but either one works for me. This is going to be so cool, lol!!!

  • May 11, 2012, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Well then, I always liked Martin Short- cool with me!

    by Michael Lunney

  • May 11, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST

    now lets all turn and *cough* lol :)

    by jay2517

  • May 11, 2012, 10:50 a.m. CST

    today is a better day - getting better and better- in every way...

    by Michael Lunney

    Have fun guys- hope is as cool and sunny as it is here - a perfect weather, spring day today in Eastern PA

  • May 11, 2012, 10:55 a.m. CST

    @Mcgootoo and Jay

    by MrLongbaugh

    So...Jay is Steve Martin, Mcgoo is Martin Short, and I am Chevy Chase? *cough* LOL

  • Tonight it's Fringe for me - and a move called The Last Lovecraft: Relic of Cthulhu. I will be watching tonight with a friend - looks like it could be fun from the IMDB page - its currently on Comcast On Demand under free movies and looks to be some good cheesy Friday night fun It's only rated 5.5, but what the hell \ One person says: The people who say this isn't based on Lovecraft or the Cthulhu mythos are way off base, and they miss the point of this romp. Without H.P. Lovecraft's writing, this movie wouldn't exist. It isn't meant to be a "Lovecraft movie" or to be taken seriously. It's precisely what its writer and co-star intended it to be, a cinematic comic book and a tribute to Lovecraft as the father of modern horror and the progenitor of much of what we know as horror comics, both serious and humorous. The performers are all at least adequate, and the three leads are charming, portraying Regular Guys and a stereotyped comic book nerd with tongues firmly in cheek. It's obvious everyone who had anything to do with The Last Lovecraft: Relic of Cthulhu had a ball, and so will you, unless you have no sense of fun at all.

  • May 11, 2012, 8:12 p.m. CST


    by MrLongbaugh

    I am going to watch Fringe myself. And guess what? This will be my first episode, LOL. Enjoy your movie and have a good one.