Review

Harry pounds out... Harry types himself raw over THE AVENGERS!!!

Published at: May 1, 2012, 8:33 p.m. CST

 

I really am just gob smacked in love with THE AVENGERS.  This isn’t really the Kirby & Lee AVENGERS, it’s far more aggressive, far more modern.   And at no point does The Hulk don clown makeup and starts juggling circus animals.   But that’s alright, I was never particularly in love with that panel, though…  I’d kinda kill to see it brought to life.

 

I pulled down my AVENGERS 1, took it out of the frame and reread it before heading to see AVENGERS last week.   Not that I was looking to compare the two.  Frankly, it was to bond with the history of the Avengers before seeing their cinematic debut.

 

There was a point in time when Marvel absolutely did not have their shit together, but it is clear that that time is something in the past.   They’re hiring a man like Joss Whedon – a hardcore mega geek that beyond being a page-turning fanboy… he knows what he’s always wanted to see these characters do.   Whedon understands archetypes and he knows how to make them cooler than that.  

 

There’s a lot of chatter about how it is a miracle that Joss was able to juggle all these characters and to give each and every one of them time to shine and be awesome – but frankly, that’s not a miracle.   That’s an issue of THE AVENGERS.   That’s what the comic has always been about.   Juggling the characters and their abilities.   Throwing new things at them.   Making them fight, bad guys & each other.   I honestly don’t feel this is rocket science – just pay attention to the best comics and let these characters shine.

 

Whedon gets that.   There’s a spectacle to just having these characters on screen together.   It is primal.  It speaks to the nature of geeks.   AVENGERS was Stan Lee’s reaction to Julius Schwartz’s JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA, but now…  in terms of cinematic history, if DC ever gets off their ass and delivers an amazing JLA flick…  Hack critics will probably reverse the influence and in terms of cinema, they’d be right.  

 

My fellow comic geek film lovers…  this is a sweet time to be a fan of this stuff.   Right now – our wet dream is going to splash over the world and get folks roaring their approval.  This is popcorn happy film going spectacle.   This is an audience pleasing comic book epic the likes of which we haven’t seen before.

 

Watching the latest DARK KNIGHT RISES trailer after having seen THE AVENGERS…  it makes DARK KNIGHT RISES almost seem like a serious parody of the superhero film’s potential.   Angsty, over-wrought and a profound lack of color.   You couldn’t have two more different Comic Book franchises than Christopher Nolan’s Batman films and this Joss Whedon explosion of pure comic joy!  

 

I’m wildly curious to see how AVENGERS performs – Personally, the Marvel nerd in me wants this fucker over $1.5 Billion theatrical worldwide.   I want an AVENGERS movie every 2 years at least.   And I want MARVEL to not be cheap from here on out, but pay the talent that has brought them this far and leave the property in their hands until they wish to leave it, not for financial reasons.

 

I’d also love for Disney/Marvel to do the right thing and in a very public and financial manner to honor not just the work of JACK KIRBY and his contribution to the MARVEL Universe – but also UB IWERKS and his contribution to the world that Walt Disney made his.   At the same time, I realize that corporations rarely ever do the right things, especially if they like to present the image of being family & community friendly.  

 

AVENGERS should become the first complete MARVEL UNIVERSE film – from here – in all their films – they should allow themselves to more fully embrace the Universe that they have.   This film – as fucking jaw droppingly awesome that it is – is just the tiniest fraction of the awesome that could come, if they keep their shit together.  

 

Remember – traditionally – when any Superhero franchise hits a high water mark like this – the idiots in charge pull hard on the reins – and do stupid shit, like no longer working with Richard Donner or Tim Burton or Bryan Singer…   and they bring in folks like Joel Schumacher or Brett Ratner.  

 

At this point – Disney & Marvel should begin building to an all brand mega film that would cross studios – involve SPIDER-MAN, X-MEN, FANTASTIC FOUR, AVENGERS, DOCTOR STRANGE, NEW MUTANTS, INHUMANS, etc…   Marvel’s Universe is so rich, but the more interaction they build in, the more audiences will fall in love with the whole of the brand.   Get these characters in some of those other films.   Seed the future and do it with not just post-film cameos, but meaningful parts of the movies.

 

THE AVENGERS creates an instant hunger for them to just start doing everything right.   Other studios should be banging on Marvel’s door with their characters and working to let Marvel has as much control as necessary,  because they would see their profits soar.   

 

I know – I know – where’s the review.   It is hard after a single viewing where my primary sensation was FUCKING A!   Watching the HULK be a hero was revelatory.   Loki & Black Widow – love the scene.   Stark & Banner?   Killed me.   Flying Monkeys & Captain America?  GENIUS!   I absolutely love Coulson geeking out on Cap!   I could have gone with Nick Fury being a bit more of a badass – and to have the right gun…  the one that Steranko designed.   I love that Tony Stark is kicking so much ass in this film, because he wants to get laid.   I love this film.

 

As big as the battle gets – I still longed for an even larger escalation.   I can’t lie.   This film feels to me like an opening skirmish.   And it is.   We get tremendous problems – but it is fairly localized.   I can not even express the love I feel when Captain America starts taking over.   It’s just…  it is that moment that I never got with Cyclops & the X-Men.  Throughout it all though, it’s the HULK that leaves the audience shivering in their seats hungry for more.

 

Watching the HULK in this movie – tells me beyond any doubt that MARVEL needs to begin to build towards the intelligent heroic HULK – and then place him in his own AVATAR-esque $250 million dollar Science Fiction/Gladiator flick – because we would lose our collective minds for that shit.   Scared of the cost?  Split it with FOX and have them toss in The Silver Surfer.   C’mon…   we all want it.   It’d melt our brains.   And all we could do is purchase tickets to the movie repeatedly and live in the lines waiting to see it again.

 

My only real disappointment with the film falls to Loki’s kemosabes.   They’re just not the coolest badasses in the MARVEL UNIVERSE.  Now – the post credit character is – and had he been involved THROUGHOUT – well I wouldn’t be ever so slightly disappointed.   Someone on Twitter asked me to rate the film on a 10 point scale.   To me, it’s about 9.975.   They nailed their heroes perfect.   I would love for Loki to be a bit more magical and not basically be an illusionist.   BUT THESE ARE PETTY FANBOY NITPICKS.

 

Yes, I would’ve killed for Spider-Man to join the fight on the street.    And had Luke Cage shown up to lend a hand – you see… this is what this film has left me to do – fanboy masturbate about all the additional fucking awesome things that could have been possible.   Because the film doesn’t give you any real room to bitch beyond, “You know what would’ve been even more badass?” and that’s something that all geeks will be doing with their friends afterwards.   But overall, that’s something that won’t hit most of us till at least a week after the film has been seen…  thus me.   

 

This is one of the most singularly satisfying geek films I’ve seen as a geek writing online.   When you’re sitting there watching this movie – it’s goosebumps.   Goosebumps because HOLY SHIT – THE AVENGERS.  

 

I just want more.   Like every year.    And they all have to be much better than this – and I know – this is fucking great – but I guarantee if Joss could do ANYTHING HE WANTED – it would get fucking epic.   This is a franchise that can go off Earth.   That can fight for the Universe’s sake.    This could all grow into something so epic that we could laugh at those days when AVATAR owned all.   The only limits on the success of this franchise will be the shackles that the studio will put on it.    This is one helluva beginning – let’s pray we see it continue for a quarter century or more.

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  • May 1, 2012, 8:36 p.m. CST

    $$$

    by Paul Paradis

    If Harry likes it, it must be great.....wait no not really.

  • May 1, 2012, 8:36 p.m. CST

    LOVED it

    by biffy88

    But will every other Marvel film (apart from Avengers 2) seem small in comparison?

  • I think he really wants to go for it with the next film. Imagine what new Avengers will have to show up to face that threat.

  • May 1, 2012, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Fourth!

    by Admiral Adama

    I'm at the PGA screening Saturday. Can't wait!

  • And all the implications that come with it.

  • May 1, 2012, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Halk smush!

    by pikazerox

  • May 1, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST

    This movie has made my 6 yrs old want to read comics

    by Scott Gallacher

    And this makes me a happy father! Although initially nervous at the Hulk reveal, by the end of the movie Hulk was her favourite. My 9yr old son kept bringing up cool scenes when I asked him who was his, and in the end he said "Actually I liked all of them equally......even Loki"!! My kids are cool :)

  • Harry, what a fucking imbecile you really are, really

  • May 1, 2012, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Well, my question about Harry has been answered

    by KevinMuller

    On the TDKR boards last night I asked how Harry felt about the trailer and my answer is shown quite early in this review. He knocks Nolan and the films. Don't you understand that Batman is dark and angsty...

  • May 1, 2012, 8:45 p.m. CST

    But did you like it?

    by markjamesmurphy

    Was it good? did you find it enjoyable?

  • Except for the 60s tv show and the forgettable movies by "he who must not be named".

  • May 1, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST

    I've been converted.

    by LLL

    I thought it would suck. I thought it would be another in a long line of OKAY superhero movies that are hailed as being awesome. But it's too much. Too many good, reliable sources have given it HUGE props. Color me excited. And perhaps... in some way, not so much about an Avengers movie. If they did this as well as I keep hearing they did... some part of me is holding out hope that NOW... finally, in 2012... the curse has been broken. The studios will learn that we're not morons. Now, MAYBE... and it's a BIG MAYBE... We can start getting the Supermans, Spider-Mans, X-Men (CYCLOPS + ADULT THEMES!!!!), HULK, etc etc that we've always deserved. No more bullshit, Hollywood. Follow the Avengers' lead. Let the talented nerds make your movies and get out of the way while they make magic. One can only pray.

  • May 1, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST

    wildcard...

    by LLL

    Batman has been colorful and goofy thousands of times since 1939, from TV shows (the current being "Batman: The Brave and the Bold") to comics from every generation (ignore the angry late 80s and 90s). True, grim Batman has his place... but to say it's his only or true form is not entirely legit.

  • May 1, 2012, 8:53 p.m. CST

    The only thing holding Marvel back is Fox and Sony.

    by pikazerox

    The universe needs to expand, buy back your characters, pronto.. Mild spoilers follow.. The mid-credits scene.. That threat isn't going to be anywhere near as cool without the whole Marvel universe at their disposal.

  • May 1, 2012, 8:55 p.m. CST

    kevinmuller

    by HEADGEEK

    Yes - I absolutely get that. I also know that BATMAN can be a lot of things and not just one.

  • May 1, 2012, 8:55 p.m. CST

    This movie left me with one last looming question...

    by Cagliostro

    What the fuck is the point of Black Widow's wrist bands? No Widow's Sting? The Glock's were fucking retarded in every situation in which they were pulled.

  • May 1, 2012, 8:56 p.m. CST

    A summer long nerdgasm

    by mr. faded glory

    Avengers + Dark Knight + Prometheus + Spidey - Michael Bay= Perfect freakin' summer movies. Just ignore Battleship...please.

  • May 1, 2012, 9:01 p.m. CST

    @cagliostro wrist bands

    by Anthony Torchia

    Widow never used the blue-light wrist bands? Then what's the point? Glad Harry liked it but it was kind of inevitable I think

  • May 1, 2012, 9:02 p.m. CST

    I just had a Vision man! *hit* *hit*

    by rosetta the stoned

  • May 1, 2012, 9:03 p.m. CST

    TDKR and Avengers = Apples and Oranges. /debate

    by tylerzero

  • May 1, 2012, 9:05 p.m. CST

    @ Harry - Batman can be whatever Christopher Nolan needs him to be...

    by georgecauldron

    Write it in...

  • May 1, 2012, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Great review Harry but TOO BRIEF

    by 3D-Man

    I expected to be reading for at least an hour!!!

  • The Avenger was ok. People are gonna be really disappointed when they get to see it. Its already overrated. The only good thing about the movie is that we get all our favorite superheroes together. The movie itself? pretty average. The last action set piece is ordinary and reminded me of transformers 3. Beaks was spot on. The first hour is awful. Loki is a poor villain. Oh and Cobie fucking Smulder is soooo bad. Its good she has a small role cause this is some razzie award performance right there.

  • May 1, 2012, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Is it possible 2012 will go down in Geek History as the greatest cinematic year, ever??

    by MARCEL_THE_NEGRO_PROJECTIONIST

    AVENGERS, DARK KNIGHT RISES, PROMETHEUS, THE HOBBIT, SKYFALL... Did I miss anything?

  • May 1, 2012, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Harry is the man!!!

    by Ricky Retardo

    Make mine Marvel!

  • May 1, 2012, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Archetypes

    by Iahael

    OK, Harry, you say Joss knows his archetypes; I agree; now, if you could, please enlighten us on the nature of said archetypes in The Avengers? If you cannot, then I am afraid you are in no position to prejudge TDKR -- basically, in Qabalistic speech (The QBLH works with, guess what? Archetypes...) you are comfortable with the Avengers as they are below the Abyss, Da'at, wholly in the region of the Ruach, that is, the mind. But the instincts? The intuition? The Batman corresponds to Saturn, above the Abyss, that is, the Devil, Baphomet, etc, etc, a natural form of justice in the form of a man identified with the Beast. He can be unsettling, provocative, and, thanks to Nolan, an effective storytelling tool and one that hits us where we live. Is this better than the Avengers? No, just different. And more primal. And stop using the word "Geek" in your reviews. For once. T.'. T.'.

  • You can ruin even the greatest of wines if you try to take a sip right after pounding three feet of pixie stick and a bacon maple bar. Although I suppose it is worth stoking the fires of the TDKR vs Avengers debate to increase site traffic.

  • May 1, 2012, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Plant

    by rartus

  • May 1, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Harry

    by Batguy

    I don't want to say that I would dream of telling you that your opinion sucks; however, I'm taken quite aback by it. I think that trying to egg on the TDKR/Avengers debate. How can you compare the two? Also, did Inception really make you completely anti-Nolan? It's obvious from your comment above that you have already written off TDKR. If you personally feel that way, fine. To publish it, however, is unprofessional in my book.

  • May 1, 2012, 9:23 p.m. CST

    I FORGOT AMAZING SPIDER-MAN!!

    by MARCEL_THE_NEGRO_PROJECTIONIST

    Holy Shit!

  • May 1, 2012, 9:23 p.m. CST

    "corporations rarely ever do the right things"

    by brobdingnag

    Based on what Harry? Got any facts to back up that statement that corporations statistically do "the wrong thing" (whatever the fuck that is) more often than not?

  • May 1, 2012, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Hulk vs. Bane...

    by darthwaz1

    who'd win?

  • May 1, 2012, 9:26 p.m. CST

    How does this all

    by adzigjo

    keep coming back to Avengers VS Batman? Both of these movies are gonna be great.... I guess it'll always be Marvel VS DC http://vimeo.com/41328146

  • May 1, 2012, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Clearly it's getting late.....

    by DANGER_DIABOLIK_

    ...I initially misread the title as 'Harry pounds himself raw over the Avengers.' Very Freudian.

  • May 1, 2012, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Maybe Harry doesn't love batman because

    by Paul Paradis

    Nolan and company don't kiss his ass, or give this site kickbacks. It's so nice the usual idiots didn't get the chance to lead off.

  • May 1, 2012, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Which Batman is better, Nolan's or the one by Dini & Timm?

    by hank henshaw

    Nolan's is boring, sorry, but it's the truth.

  • And this is only the beginning. I hope that The Avengerd SMASH the Box Office so much that'll become historical. I'm aiming for 2 billions dollars when everything is said and done and I'm not shitting around. America, you're about to witness something very special thursday midnight. I envy you for having the chance to see this with the eyes of a first time viewing,vthe movie keeps getting better and better everytime I see it, but you'll understand exactly why everyone is going so apeshit about this movie soon enough. AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!!!!!!!

  • May 1, 2012, 9:35 p.m. CST

    OK, so now Whedon should have Nolan clout...

    by Anti-fanboy

    Meaning he needs to be treated like Nolan is treated by WB, and allowed to take his time with the sequels, which will have exponentially bigger budgets, and given time to make more personal (or not) movies between them.

  • May 1, 2012, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Last year at this time...

    by Batguy

    ...Harry was bragging about his exclusive GL ring. 'Nuff said...He obviously hasn't received any Batman swag this year.

  • May 1, 2012, 9:38 p.m. CST

    My short review of The Avengers:

    by Jack

    KRAKKABOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 616 out of 5 stars.

  • May 1, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Beaks was soooo off!

    by Kakii

    sorry but Beaks was way off and although I understand others opinions, my view is Avengers raaawwwkkeed it was well worth the 4 year wait! it was cool from begining to end and is now a big part of cinematic superhero history, Blade showed it could be done, DK showed it could be done seriously, the Avengers shows it can be done completely! I felt like the kid I was coming out of Star Wars in 77 after this! The Avengers - best superhero movie made so far! (no disrespect to TDK)

  • May 1, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST

    @hank henshaw

    by Batguy

    To you, sure. I like both for different reasons. Nolan's is more specific, while TAS is more broad and definitive.

  • May 1, 2012, 9:40 p.m. CST

    My take.

    by tyler_turden

    I've written a really detailed review. Saw it again last night and enjoyed it even more (less expectation). I still don't think it is perfect (not enough emotional beats and the music is unmemorable). But it is funny and entertaining as hell. My full review is here http://thecrat.com/reviews/adam-vs-the-avengers/

  • May 1, 2012, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Harry - youre a fucking moron sometimes

    by celebritydave

    Why even mention Batman?

  • May 1, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST

    This movie is like ME -- it has a flabby midsection

    by 3D-Man

    But the good parts are GREAT! This also applies to my good parts, in case you were wondering.

  • May 1, 2012, 9:46 p.m. CST

    @celebritydave

    by Batguy

    Exactly! Thank you!

  • May 1, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Not much of a review...

    by Blanket-Man

    But I love the sentiment! Looking forward to seeing it for a 2nd and 3rd time on Thursday night.

  • The Avengers is a game changer. Movies based out of comic book characters, especially movies based on superheroes, will be viewed as 'Before The Avengers" and "After The Avengers". I don't really think there's any other movie at the same level of The Avengers right now. It's the ultimate blockbuster experience, that's exactly how we imagined it'd be to see all these Marvel characters in a dream movie of our childhood. I honestly feel sorry for anyone disliking this movie. Just remembering the scenes put a smile on my face. Everything is so fucking surreal. We're extremely lucky for living in this day and age. Make mine, Marvel!!!

  • May 1, 2012, 9:48 p.m. CST

    celebritydave

    by HEADGEEK

    Because the timing of it's Trailer coincides with THE AVENGERS, because DARK KNIGHT is the champion box-office for Superhero films. Because while I love Nolan's films, I long for awe & wonder superhero stories told the way Whedon just did.

  • May 1, 2012, 9:52 p.m. CST

    TDK

    by Kakii

    Don't get me wrong TDK was my fave superhero film until now, it is on par with The Avengers, just for different reasons. However The Avengers show that a comic book can be done 100% on the screen. TDK shows it can be done well and in the real world, its still awesome, but both are game changers! Cant wait for TDKR! Spidey has a lot to live up to and if it fails, I personally would like Marvel to get not just him back, but all its characters back under its studio roof, if not then a deal to have more control over them so Fox doesn't do another Wolverine!

  • May 1, 2012, 9:52 p.m. CST

    TDKR vs The Avengers is apples and oranges

    by oatmeal2348

    I had the same reaction as Harry when I saw the Batman trailer after seeing The Avengers ... it was anti-climactic. Nolan has made fantastic films based on a comic book character, but Joss has made the greatest Comic Book Film of all time. Hulk vs. Loki. I wanna watch that on a loop until The Avengers 2.

  • May 1, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST

    It's inevitable AVENGERS and DKR will be compared

    by MARCEL_THE_NEGRO_PROJECTIONIST

    After all, they're opening within about a month of each other. We always love to see a super fight. And btw, the guy who asked who'd win between Bane and Hulk? D'you have to fucking ask???

  • May 1, 2012, 9:58 p.m. CST

    lostmymind

    by HEADGEEK

    Well, the Producer of DARK KNIGHT brought me on board as a producer on COMIC CON: EPISODE IV: A FAN'S HOPE. I respect and really love THE DARK KNIGHT. I'm not a huge BANE fan, I've stated this before. That said, I love Tom Hardy's performances thus far and can not wait to see what he does with the role. BUT - we are being led to an apocalyptic hell version of Gotham City and the trailer hints to an end to BATMAN. My favorite BATMAN is Neal Adams'. Then Dini/TIMM. Nolan is making Graphic Novels - not comic books. He doesn't believe in the inherent fantasy of the BATMAN universe that I love. Instead he makes it real. A wonderful adaptation choice, but one that after 2, I'm ready for this to be the last of his run, and I look forward to a new direction with a new BATMAN series.

  • Beaks basically all but said he feels The Avengers is nothing but big studio trash while singing the praises of Team Nolan once again (what's fucking new) and you Harry declared The Avengers to be the greatest accomplishment Marvel could ever have on screen at the disservice of taking a massive jab at TDKR. Well, fuck both of you cunts.

  • The Fantastic Four, X-Men and Spider-Man were all selling their own titles, but Iron Man, Thor, Ant-Man/Wasp were doing half-issue stories in Tales of Suspense, Journey into Mystery and Tales to Astonish. Hulk's book had been cancelled! Not knocking them by any means, just waxing nostalgic.

  • Batman can and should be a realistic, dark, broody character, but there's more to Batman than that. A Batman reboot is right ahead the corner, and I hope Warner is taking notes about what Marvel is doing with their characters. All they need to make an even more brilliant Batman movie is already there, just look at the Batman TAS and the Arkham Asylum games. Batman should be realistic, but never denying the fantastical elements of its comic book origin, never ashamed of that.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:04 p.m. CST

    This was a review???

    by Dustin Geisler

    This is as ridiculous as when Harry said the romance worked in his Attack of the Clones review.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:04 p.m. CST

    They could start building towards a Defenders movie

    by krabklaw

    Dr. Strange is already on the drawing board, they could introduce Sub-mariner as the villain in something (next Avengers movie maybe?), recycle the Hulk, reclaim Ghost Rider, stir in Valkyrie somewhere along the way and there you go.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Why is this a debate?

    by Cruizer Dave

  • Every interview or article I have ever read has stated that the success of the Justice League inspired the creation of the Fantastic Four, not the Avengers. This is established fact. While it's obvious that the Avengers are closer in spirit to the Justice League than the FF are, lets not misremember this important footnote in history just because it's convenient now that the Avengers are having their cinematic day in the sun. I know this seems like trivial minutiae, I'm getting pretty tired of supposed fans and self proclaimed "Head Geeks" spouting this nonsense. That said, I'm glad that the Avengers looks to be such a kick ass movie. I've already bought my tickets for the midnight show.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Seriously, there is not reason for it!

    by Cruizer Dave

    Comparing these two films is like saying "I laughed until cheese whiz blew out my ass watching Dumb and Dumber. Really makes As Good As it Gets seem like it's not very funny." We're talking about two very different approaches. Avengers is the epitome of a brightly colored comic book epic, and by all accounts, maybe the new high standard. The Dark Knight Rises is a sequel to the film that took the whole bubble the comic book genre existed in and smashed it to hell. It wasn't a manipulative summer blockbuster that told you how to feel, it set stuff up and let you feel it for yourself. Dark Knight broke boundaries and the trailer to DKR looks like it will keep that tradition. There is no reason for this to become a Marvel vs. DC debate, because it's not. We're getting one awesome, flamboyant, joyful comic book flick, and what looks to be an awesome, realistic, serious comic book film. Plenty of room for both. To say liking one makes the other look bad in anyway shows an immaturity and lack of range in cinematic taste.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:20 p.m. CST

    ricky retardo

    by Pabodie

    Is an awesome uid. I keep laughing at it for some reason.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:21 p.m. CST

    The Avengers is a direct response to The Avengers

    by Jack

    Documental fact. I've been reading comics since I was a 3years old kid, Harry also knows his shit, and this isn't something that Marvel would like to admit at the time. Yes, FF came first, but it's almost logical thinking for a geek to understand that The Avengers was Marvel answer to the Justice League success back then. What Marvel did that was novel was the creation of yet other teams, like the X-Men and the Defenders. It's funny how, just like Harry said, Avengers and Justice League are in polar opposite positions, both in comics and movies. the_cellarrat, check your facts too before talking shit about Harry's comic book knowledge. It's easy to debunk stuff that people clearly don't know what they're talking about.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:21 p.m. CST

    The Avengers was a direct response to the Justice League*

    by Jack

  • May 1, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST

    ijacksparrow

    by Batguy

    Nolan's Batman denies nothing. No film interpretation of Batman will ever be complete or definitive. It's naïve to think that one could be.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Harry, the question is whether you'll choose to stay awake for TDKR

    by stillsberry

    Seriously, after that Inception "review," your bias knew no shame.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Harry...

    by Batguy

    ...you essentially don't deny that you've written off TDKR without having seen it. How shallow.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:28 p.m. CST

    With the Infusion of revenue this will cause Disney/Marvel

    by Phategod2

    Do you think they will be able to buy back any the movie rights to some of there characters?

  • May 1, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST

    ijacksparrow

    by davywankenobi

    Could I get a link to any Stan Lee interview where he said he created the Avengers, not the Fantastic Four, in response to the success of the Justice League? Thanks

  • ...Joss Whedon's The Avengers prove that's possible. It proves that we could have a definitive and complete film adaptation of The Avengers, so why the hell shouldn't we expect that from the DC characters? That's why I said The Avengers is a game changer, and that's The Avengers great legacy: there's no more "impossible" when it comes to comic books adaptations.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Harry??? Is it better than Thor and Cap films???

    by Mr Soze

    I thought they were kinda over-hyped.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:37 p.m. CST

    A Justice League movie would be a fail...

    by Tristan

    Any decent iteration of Batman would not fit with the Justice League. No, I don't want Ryan Reynolds advising Batman to 'Lighten up, man' as they fight Googar Boggywoggles from earth 6 or some shit. Frank Miller's warped take on all the characters would be the closest I would want to see on screen and that will never happen.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:39 p.m. CST

    ijacksparrow

    by Batguy

    Batman has been re-interpreted in comics and other media much more broadly than any single Avengers character. Add to that the fact that having a superhero team means that the interpretation of each hero must be pretty mainstream in order to work, and the comparison becomes completely invalid. I'm excited for The Avengers. I'll be there at midnight. But for me, a lifelong Batman fan, I am both excited and sad to see TDKR. I love the Nolan saga thus far; however, I do recognize the potential for other film versions of Batman to be equally good, and perhaps in some regards better.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:40 p.m. CST

    @davywankenobi About The Avengers creation origin:

    by Jack

    This is commom knowledge between comic book fans, but here it goes: "In 1963 Marvel Comics was riding an unprecedented wave of sustained success with series such as The Fantastic Four, The Amazing Spider-Man, and The Uncanny X-Men, two of which featured superhero teams. But rival publisher DC Comics (coyly referred to by Marvel writer/editor Stan Lee as the Distinguished Competition) had already struck paydirt three years earlier with Justice League of America, which presented the company's best-selling heroes operating together as a crime-fighting team. Marvel's initial response to the Justice League of America (JLA) had been 1961's The Fantastic Four, which consisted of heroes created from whole cloth (with the exception of a second-generation Human Torch), because Marvel had no preexisting heroes then capable of competing with the likes of DC's Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, the Flash, and Green Lantern. A mere two years later, the publishing landscape had changed considerably in Marvel's favor, enabling Lee and artist Jack Kirby to assemble enough successful Marvel headliners to form a supergroup title in the JLA mold with The Avengers (whose first issue bore a September 1963 cover date). The Avengers, however, was anything but a carbon copy of Justice League of America, whose members exhibited a stilted uniformity, at times seeming almost interchangeable. Marvel's new team not only showed real diversity, but also owed its existence largely to the machinations of a villain. Loki, the Norse god of evil, maneuvers his half-brother, the thunder god Thor (from the pages of Journey into Mystery), into a battle against the Hulk (whose first six-issue Incredible Hulk series had concluded with its March 1963 issue), a fracas that also attracts the attention of Iron Man (who debuted in March 1963's Tales of Suspense #39), Ant-Man, and his crime-fighting partner and paramour, the Wasp (both of whom maintained an address in Tales to Astonish). Although this ad hoc quartet at first believes the Hulk to be the villain responsible for an act of railway sabotage, Loki quickly emerges as the real culprit, and suffers a decisive defeat. Before the heroes disperse to their respective titles, Ant-Man suggests that they make their association a permanent one, and the Avengers (a name suggested by the Wasp) is born. Even the notably antisocial Hulk agrees to become part of this new crime-fighting quintet, hoping that by keeping such heroic company he will discourage the military from continually hounding him. In the mastheads of many Avengers stories of the 1970s, the group's origin and subsequent history are aptly encapsulated: And there came a day unlike any other, when Earth's mightiest heroes and heroines found themselves united against a common threat! On that day, the Avengers were born—to fight the foes no single super hero could withstand! Through the years, their roster has prospered, changing many times, but their glory has never been denied! Heed the call, then—for now, the Avengers Assemble! Indeed, the aforementioned roster changes begin almost immediately, with the departure of the Hulk (The Avengers #2, 1963), and the induction of Captain America after his recovery from the block of ice in which he had been frozen since the end of the World War II (issue #4, 1964). Captain America (whose 1950s incarnation is conveniently ignored) suffers tremendous angst because of his displacement in time and agonizes over the wartime death of his kid sidekick Bucky Barnes; this poignant characterization, and the contrast between Cap's steadfast patriotism and the hot-headedness of some of his younger teammates, swiftly become two of the group's essential dramatic foci—as does the return of the Nazi Baron Zemo, Captain America's arch-foe, and his Masters of Evil, a collection of superpowered opponents already familiar to the other Avengers. With issue #16 (1965), the original Avengers roster is replaced entirely by newcomers (though overseen by Captain America). One great thing about the Avengers team, Lee recalled, is the fact that we could always change the lineup of heroes. Over the years, we've probably had every one of our heroes, and villains too, appearing in The Avengers from time to time. As you might imagine, my biggest problem was finding things for them to avenge, month after month. The Avengers distinguished itself from Justice League of America in another important respect: It questioned the idea of heroism itself. While the JLA members were all unambiguous good guys—so much so that they were virtually indistinguishable from one another, except by their costumes—more than a few Avengers started their careers on the wrong side of the thin spandex line that separates hero from villain. When Thor, Giant-Man (the former Ant-Man, who would later change his name again to Goliath), and the Wasp simultaneously leave the team, Captain America finds himself heading a new squad of Avengers: Hawkeye, an accomplished archer in the mold of DC's Green Arrow; Quicksilver, a mutant speedster reminiscent of DC's Flash; and the Scarlet Witch (Quicksilver's sister), a young woman with the power to alter probabilities using an inborn hex power, thus making seemingly impossible things occur when necessary. The recruitment of these characters was a daring editorial choice, and would have been unheard of in a staid organization like the Justice League. Hawkeye, after all, had formerly been a super-criminal, a part of Iron Man's rogues' gallery (Tales of Suspense #57, 1964); Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch had been (reluctant) members of the self-described Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, a group headed by their father Magneto (X-Men vol. 1 #4, 1964). This development helped foster a sense that anything was possible in the burgeoning Marvel universe, the feeling that all human beings possess capacities for both good and evil, and that no one has to be beyond redemption. This notion is reinforced years later when Wonder Man (introduced as a villain in The Avengers #9) returns from the dead as a hero and takes his place in the Avengers' ranks (The Avengers #151, 1976). Adding further realism and ambiguity to the mix is the fact that not every superhero desires Avengers membership; when the team extends an invitation to Spider-Man (The Avengers #11, 1964), he declines it. Reflecting the rise of feminism in the 1970s, the Wasp would return to the group, eventually becoming a competent Avengers leader and putting the lie to her early 1960s airhead persona. From its inception The Avengers was a hit, and the series' initial success doubtless owes much to the power-packed, sui generis renderings of Kirby, who had not only co-created Captain America with writer Joe Simon in 1941, but had also collaborated with Lee on such Marvel mainstay titles as The Fantastic Four, The Incredible Hulk, and Journey into Mystery (featuring Thor). Kirby illustrated The Avengers throughout its first year; with issue #9 (September 1964), Iron Man artist Don Heck (from Tales of Suspense) ably took over the penciling reins (though Kirby filled in as penciler on issues #14–#16, and did the page layouts for other second-year Avengers issues), while Lee continued with the writing chores until he handed the series off to Roy Thomas (issue #35, December 1966). Over the next several years, Thomas worked with such notable Marvel artists as the aforementioned Heck, John Buscema, George Tuska, Gene Colan, Barry Smith, Sal Buscema, Frank Giacoia, Rich Buckler, and Neal Adams, whose brief run on the title in 1971 (issues #93–#96), during the war between the galactic empires of the Skrulls and the Kree (alien races created by Lee and Kirby and first seen in The Fantastic Four), is widely regarded as among the finest Avengers work ever done. Under Thomas' direction (with writing assists from noted fantasist Harlan Ellison in issues #88 [1971] and #101 [1972]), Avengers story arcs became increasingly complex and characterization-oriented, flowering into a superpowered melodrama of operatic proportions. Among the many notable characters introduced during Thomas' tenure are such team members as the Vision (an emotionally tortured android with optic-blast powers and the ability to turn intangible), and such villains as the Grim Reaper (the vengeance-crazed brother of Wonder Man) and Ultron (a world-conquering robot who sought to destroy his creator, Henry Pym, the former Ant-Man). Thomas left the series after issue #104 (1972), to be succeeded by Steve Englehart (author of a seminal time-travel arc involving the villain Kang the Conqueror and his time-displaced doppelgangers Rama-Tut and Immortus), Gerry Conway, Jim Shooter (Conway's and Shooter's Avengers runs are also distinguished by the stunning and highly detailed artwork of George Pérez), Steve Gerber, Tom DeFalco (a future Marvel editor-in-chief), David Michelinie, Mark Gruenwald, Steven Grant, Roger Stern, Bill Mantlo, and John Byrne. During the 1970s and 1980s, the Avengers' membership roles would turn over completely several times while growing exponentially (despite orders from Marvel's fictitious federal government that the group be downsized dramatically in 1979), encompassing such major and minor Marvel heroes as the Beast (from X-Men), the Black Panther, Starfox, Hellcat (Patsy Walker), Mantis (Englehart's Celestial Madonna, whose destiny was to give birth to the most powerful being in the universe), the Black Knight, the She-Hulk, the Sub-Mariner, Tigra, the Black Widow, and even the nineteenth-century Western hero known as the Two-Gun Kid. This relentless expansion isn't surprising, however, given the special government security-clearance status and the weekly thousand-dollar salary (courtesy of Iron Man's Stark International munitions firm) afforded to members by the late 1970s. By the 1990s all the original members of the Fantastic Four—and even the chronic non-joiner, Spider-Man—had become either reserve or inactive Avengers. By the mid-1980s, the New York–based team had grown to such unwieldy proportions—despite the inactive status of most members—that a second squad was formed in Los Angeles, under the initial leadership of Hawkeye (1984's West Coast Avengers limited series, and the ongoing West Coast Avengers [later Avengers West Coast] monthly series, which ran from 1985 to 1994). In 1989 a self-styled wannabe team known as the Great Lakes Avengers—consisting of oddball, previously unknown fourth-stringers such as Mr. Immortal, Dinah Soar, Big Bertha, Flat Man, and Doorman—came into being in 1989 (West Coast Avengers #46), but never achieved official standing with either of the bicoastal teams. In late 1995 Marvel released Last Avengers, a two-issue series (written by Peter David and drawn by Ariel Olivetti) that puts paid to many decades-long continuity arcs and boasts a high Avengers body count, killing off Captain America, Thor, Hercules, the Vision, the Scarlet Witch, and others. But this was far from the end of the line for the Assemblers, who resurfaced in the latest volume of their ongoing saga in February 1998 (The Avengers vol. 3). From that point fan-favorite writer and Silver Age (1956–1969) scholar Kurt Busiek (who made his reputation penning 1994's superb, Alex Ross–illustrated Marvels miniseries) chronicled most of the team's adventures in its main title for four years, collaborating with artists such as George Pérez, Carlos Pacheco, Jerry Ordway, Stuart Immonen, Norm Breyfogle, Richard Howell, Mark Bagley, John Romita Jr., Steve Epting, Alan Davis, Manuel Garcia, Brent Anderson, Ivan Reis, Kieron Dwyer, Patrick Zircher, and Yanick Paquette before leaving the series in the hands of writer Geoff Johns in October 2002 with Avengers vol. 3 #57 (writer Chuck Austen took over in vol. 3 #77, March 2004). The 1990s was also replete with Avengers miniseries and other ancillary titles executed by various creative teams, including the hugely popular, time-spanning Avengers Forever (1999). In 2002, writer Mark Millar and artist Bryan Hitch collaborated on an alternately grim and satirical reinvention of the series for Marvel's Ultimate line, suitably retitled The Ultimates, which immediately became one of comics' best-selling and most critically acclaimed series. Also in the new millennium, Busiek and Pérez teamed up to create the long-awaited JLA/Avengers intercompany crossover miniseries (2003), which after two decades of false starts finally brings the Avengers together with the DC Comics superteam that inspired it in the first place. Like the comics business itself, the Avengers (of whichever coast) has had its ups and downs over the course of four decades. At times it has been a brilliant dramatic showcase, at others a veritable Island of Misfit Heroes for characters unable to sustain themselves in other, more focused titles. The constant, almost meteorological transformations in the Avengers' membership roles, and the concomitant evolution of new, hitherto-unconsidered character-driven story possibilities, are likely to continue alternately pleasing, surprising, and frustrating eager audiences for many decades to come—at least so long as the nefarious deeds of unnumbered costumed bad guys continue to require Avenging. —MAM" Source: http://www.superheromultiverse.com/avengers Regardless of an interview of THE MAN himself, which probably exists, the novel thing that Marvel did was the diverse teams and most of all, their heroes have flaws, they're more human than the ones owned by DC.

  • Apples and oranges. I like both.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:43 p.m. CST

    If only I could spell.

    by stillsberry

  • May 1, 2012, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Serious Parody of the Superhero Film

    by THX1968

    First, Fantastic Four was created to contend with Schwartz's Justice League, not the Avengers. Now - what Harry said in response to "lostmymind" and others, is exactly correct. I'm not sure if parody is the right word, but Batman Begins, TDK, and soon, TDKR, are films that have more in common with The French Connection than Indiana Jones or Iron Man. Clayface or Man-Bat won't show up in a Nolan Bat flick. This is not to knock the Nolan flicks at all. I really enjoy them, but I prefer the Batman - no less driven, or grim - that holds more fantastic elements in store for the audience. My brother and I just had this conversation recently. We are both seriously fucking AMPED for Avengers, while we've always just kinda greatly looked forward to the Nolan Batman flicks. They are lacking the nuance of wonder that is integral to fantasy/action genre films (which kinda has me a little concerned for Man of Steel). Nolan is super smart, but maybe he's too smart to grasp the fantasy elements. Nolan's Batman is a super commando, not a comic super hero. I'm a huge fan of the Burton Batman flicks, both of them, and it would totally rock to see Burton and Keaton come in and do a riff on Dark Knight Returns. At the very least, I hope we get back to the pulpy action adventure a great Bat-Movie deserves. Again, I say this as a fan of the Nolan flicks.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Would you *really* like to see Luke Cage join the fight?

    by D.Vader

    And have him cast by a nobody? And then years later when they finally make a Luke Cage standalone movie, can you imagine how many people would complain its a different actor now that they've had time to properly cast for it? That's the kind of crap geeks freak out over and then complain about.

  • The constant bias is tiresome.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Stupid iPhone, cool*

    by stillsberry

  • May 1, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Why do you all hate Harry so badly?

    by aceattorney

    I honestly don't get it. WTF did he ever do to you?

  • May 1, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST

    headgeek and ijacksparrow

    by DANGER_DIABOLIK_

    I cannot understand how these two dudes can allow their own personal feelings of being bored/fed-up with Nolan's Batman (and finding it too gray) to urgently want a Batman re-boot. What do you want? More mainstream comic hero films? I'm not dissing mainstream, but why, can someone not have a stab at several 'gray', grittier, non ultra mainstream superhero stuff? And make it nihilistic and closer to reality? Doesn't it make a change? Sure, I respect some people's opinions that they believe Nolan is pretentious....I don't agree, but I see how they could think that.....but, fellas...be careful what you wish for......when they re-boot Batman, let's see how it goes, shall we........(btw, bet the new Spidey will be shockingly bad).

  • May 1, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST

    What Marvel needs to push from here...

    by Andrew Coleman

    Is not just killing off villains. Loki returning from Thor to the Avengers should kind of prove that re-using villains works and is very much what comic books movies are all about. Always was annoyed that baddies get killed off all the time. Like in the Iron Man films.... Spoilers I guess.... Okay like I was mad Iron Monger and Whiplash were killed off. One thing comic books don't have are never ending lists of solid villains. Sure some can be brought back through reboots but having Red Skull return or Whiplash is a good thing for these movies. The villains can just be as marketed as the heroes.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Ub Iwerks left Disney to form his own studio

    by Apocalypse_Pooh

    And it went belly up. Being a talented - even visionary - animator is only part of the game, and Ub couldn't run a studio. Walt TOOK HIM BACK, even though he felt betrayed by Ub, and Ub worked in special f/x for the studio for decades after. This is what people don't get about Walt. He organized and produced, and if one person left, or many people left, he hired more people. Chuck Jones worked for Disney. Harman and Ising worked for Disney. Friz Freleng worked for Disney. Harry has a hate-on for Walt, I don't know where it comes from - his old man, I guess. Yeah, Max Fleischer was "kicking Walt's ass" with the 'Out of the Inkwell' series...which began before Walt ever started working at the Kansas City Ad Co...as a 19 year old. Talk about having your ass kicked -- Fleischer had a running start, and some punk hayseed Midwest kid comes out of nowhere and put Fleischer out of business within two decades. I remember, a long time ago, when Harry bitched that Walt paid the highest salaries for animators in the industry, and this was EVIL because that's how Walt monopolized the talent. Now the Fat One is begging Disney/Marvel to pay everyone involved with the Avengers anything they want, just to keep everyone together.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Also... Stop coming on here and using "geek" as a bad word

    by Andrew Coleman

    You're posting on AICN. You're a geek get over it. Some of the bitter shit that comes on here really needs to get killed off. Either you're in high school and hate your life because mom doesn't let you play X-box enought... Or... You're over 30 and hate that Harry makes money from this site so you hate him even thought you come here... Just stop can't we just enjoy movies and comic books? You don't have to try so hard and slam "geek stuff". If you're on here bitching about Harry or Avengers you're a geek. Period.

  • With that said, you've expressed my feelings exactly. I don't want a toned down Batman, I actually think there's room for him to become even more grim and dark, but I want a Batman who lives in Gotham City, and Gotham City is a fictional city, essential to the Batman mythos and I don't really feel the city's presence, no matter how they say this is happening in Gotham. There's an amazing saga going on right now in Batman comics called "The Court of Owls". That's something I'd really like a film adaptation of, but a realistic adaptation of Batman doesn't mean it needs to deny its fantastical elements. It'll be the last Nolan movie, we've never seen Batman patrolling the city of Gotham. Not even once. I'm kind of tired of all the car chases and new gadgets, I want a Batman more like TAS and Arkham Asylum. After The Avengers and the end of Nolan's run, we may finally get that.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:59 p.m. CST

    When did characterization become more important than story?

    by Benjamin Allen

    If Nolan has validated one thing in (the first two installments of ) of his Dark Knight trilogy, it is the value that super hero storytelling places on the reinterpretation of myth. While certain sections of the "fanboy" base clamor for authenticity and a zealous adherence to cannon, the work of Nolan and Goyer and even Burton before them celebrate the long tradition of adapting the character to the story/universe of the story rather than reducing the story to second fiddle for the sole purpose of “honoring” a character. I’m looking at you Brian Singer. I don't think we'll find a better example of this in the comic book universe than Batman: -Frank Miller's Dark Knight doesn’t fit into the Bob Kane/Bill Finger Universe but services perfectly in the stories Frank wants to tell and gets credit for bringing a certain amount of respect back to Gotham. -Batman Beyond owns it for a very particular demographic. -We might like to forget the Adam West Batman but it served the needs of the time and the myth might not have survived without it. Batman is whatever we need Batman to be. Or some other paraphrase of a quote from something else.

  • May 1, 2012, 11 p.m. CST

    @ijacksparrow

    by davywankenobi

    You're right, I'm obviously not a comic fan, I've only read them for about 35 years now...only a true comic fan would know that the Avengers were created to mimic the Justice League. On to your post, which pretty much,no, it definitely states that the "initial response to the Justice League of America (JLA) had been 1961's The Fantastic Four." This was my point EXACTLY. Then your post goes on to say "The Avengers, however, was anything but a carbon copy of Justice League of America." I'm not arguing the fact that the Avengers are closer to the spirit of the Justice League than the FF, I'm just saying that they were not the initial response(direct) response to them. If the Fantastic Four had tanked, there probably would not have been a Marvel Renaissance in the comic industry, as Stan Lee has stated that the FF was his opportunity to do "what he wanted to do" before he left comics for greener pastures. Thankfully for all comic fans, the FF didn't tank, and the Avengers eventually followed. 'nuff said

  • May 1, 2012, 11:03 p.m. CST

    The key to hulk's success...

    by bohdi71

    Is that the Avenger used him sparingly, people get jaded watching a big cgi monster fight for fifteen minutes a pop a like in his last two movies. Cobie was okay it's just her role was under written...

  • May 1, 2012, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Ending with the unanimously loved avatar was a nice touch

    by stillsberry

    Im a geek, or whatever. Love marvel, dc, Nolan, burton, Robert Downey jr. This will be an awesome summer. Just a bummer to come on here and see the master praise one holy grail, and spit on the next one without even seeing it. So come on Harry, give it a chance. And don't stay up for three days and then watch it, fall asleep, and complain about Nolan sucking. Goodnight

  • May 1, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST

    I kinda get what Harry is saying, but he should of...

    by Nix

    ....left Nolan's Batman out of this "review" of The Avengers. It's not fair to the movie, and it created the SHIT STORM that is now this discussion.

  • May 1, 2012, 11:07 p.m. CST

    TDKR: "Angsty, over-wrought and a profound lack of color. "

    by DoctorWho?

    You do not have to be a hater to admit this is an accurate statement.

  • May 1, 2012, 11:09 p.m. CST

    I feel the same way Harry does about the Nolan films.

    by Shermdawg

    However, I wouldn't call them "wonderful".

  • May 1, 2012, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Finally Harry!!!

    by LowDevil

    I honestly love and adore your reviews so much i cant begin to explain. Dont want that to read like i want to taste ur ass, but its true. As always, this one kept me smiling throughout. I myself never understood the love for Whedon. I am not a fan. Buffy was good at times and rarely great. Serenity and Firefly have the look and feel of a $5k budget. Because of this I have been a non believer in the auto-success geeks have stamped on this film. I am so relieved and so excited after reading this. Sign me up for the Whedon geek newsletter, fanclub and anything else as i have been converted! Ahmen!!

  • May 1, 2012, 11:15 p.m. CST

    ace attorney: Hating on Harry is code for "I want to suck his balls." Seriously.

    by MARCEL_THE_NEGRO_PROJECTIONIST

    It's a homoerotic thing for these basement dwellers. I, of course, love you, Harry...

  • May 1, 2012, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Hulk/Gladiator/Silver??!!

    by LowDevil

    Can i jerk off now?

  • May 1, 2012, 11:17 p.m. CST

    @davywankenobi

    by Jack

    Dude, I've been reading comics for 29 years. I know my shit too, and you're trying to force your rationalization here. Ask anyone. Ask George R. R. Martin how The Avengers was seen back then. He's older than us and a massive comic book fan too. Read carefully what I've just posted. Of course everyone knows that the FF came first - and I said that before I've posted The Avengers bio -, thinking that Harry doesn't know that is, in my opinion, a lack of good will. Every comic book fan know that. But if you read the bio with attention, you'll read what Harry and me were saying all along: The Avengers were the team answer for the Justice League, which was a huge success back then. The fact that Marvel created FF first could be seen as an answer to the JL, but it was more like a disfunctional family, very much like the Challengers of the Unknown. Actually, if anything, Fantastic Four was much more Marvel answer to that than the Justice League, but I'm sure that you are aware of that, ain't you? Fact is that back in 1961 Marvel didn't have nothing that could serve as an answer for the likes of Superman and Batman of the Justice League fame. It took some time for Marvel to create their own staple of characters and then create The Avengers, very much in the mold of Justice League, in 1963, very much like it was pretty well explained to you in the bio I've just posted, if you actually had pay attention, instead of showing me your fanboy cred. Are we clear now, sir?

  • May 1, 2012, 11:18 p.m. CST

    HARRY IS LOVING THE HITS

    by SpaghettiWall

    THAT FAT FUCK WRITES SHIT LIKE 'TDKR IS GAY AS FUCK' AND THEN WANTS YOU ALL TO BITCH OVER AND OVER SO HIS SITE KEEPS GETTING HITS

  • ...And you Nolan fans can best believe the next person to helm Batman will be under strict orders to re-indoctrinate Batman into the DC UNIVERSE. - And I say: "BRING IT ON!"

  • May 1, 2012, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Ooops! Scorsese

    by Amadeo Zeller

  • May 1, 2012, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Friday 7:30 EST Head will explode! Can't wait!

    by adeceasedfan

  • May 1, 2012, 11:37 p.m. CST

    @ujackass

    by davywankenobi

    "Dude," you're the one that tried to push your "fanboy cred" and imply that anyone who didn't share your opinion obviously didn't know what was "commom knowledge between comic book fans." (Your words) Harry stated that "the) AVENGERS was Stan Lee’s reaction to Julius Schwartz’s JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA. IT WAS NOT. The FF was, for the very reasons that your post stated. I'm more than willing to have a civil discussion about this,but you're the one who tried to talk down to me and say things like "Documental fact," then proceed to state a mixture of opinion and conjecture. I'm done talking to you, we obvioiusly disagree, feel free to get the last word, and kindly go pound sand. Are we clear now, Colonel Jack-Off? Crystal.

  • May 1, 2012, 11:38 p.m. CST

    We should push for Spidey and Wolverine in the next film

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    I know it's a stretch but maybe Disney could cut a deal with Fox and Sony and bring them in. Next film needs to introduce at least three of the following: Ant/Giant Man, Wasp, Vison, Wanda, Ms. Marvel, Wonder Man, Luke Cage and Spider Woman.

  • May 1, 2012, 11:39 p.m. CST

    RE: "not for financial reasons."

    by jorson28

    Okay, before continuing this anti-studio-greed crusade, think for a moment: Given the potential risk and how little money they probably had left over after what they paid ALL of those lead actors, plus the special effects, do you really think they would have gone with Joss Whedon if they didn't think he would also be relatively... cheap? Whedon may be considered a creative god in a very vocal sector of the "nerd" community, but his last television series didn't do so well and until now, he never really directed a feature film that made it in the "mainstream." Except for Cabin in the Woods, from what I've seen - and in terms of movies - he's basically spent the last few years going from project to project (including Wonder Woman, though that was some time back) without anything significant coming to fruition. It's not a question of whether or not he did a good job. I don't really know what he was paid, but I'd be surprised if he didn't represent the best of both worlds for Marvel - a director with the following of their target audience that also probably wouldn't cost them an arm and a leg to hire. If you're happy with where the Marvel movies are at right now, then it's largely BECAUSE of their notorious penny-pinching ways, not in spite of it. Some of you have essentially said it, yourselves - even you, Harry, if I'm not mistaken - but you seem to think that if they spent MORE money, things would be better. Unfortunately, "more money" doesn't always translate into better acting or better storytelling - or better products, period - and you should know that given the last three (or at least two) TRANSFORMERS movies and the recent events in the careers of people like Will Smith, etc. In just about any other industry, most of you would likely see "more spending" as wasteful or yet another indication of greed. Why does that not seem to apply to the film industry - or does it apply, but just not when it comes to the movies that YOU like and want to see? If you really respect and admire actors like Robert Downey, Jr., Samuel L. Jackson, etc., then you should respect the decisions they make such as the ones they all made with Marvel. What these actors deserve is what Marvel seems to be giving them, both contractually and, over time, financially. They're given iconic roles that they can make their own and which seem to translate into regular work of a certain caliber and the exposure that comes with it, theoretically giving or restoring to them the credentials and status to choose and have some say in other, more personal and/or higher quality films. If one day, Marvel decided to pay them exactly what you think they're worth, but the movie wound up tanking, how would you feel if that, then, hurt and/or set back their career momentum(s)? It's usually not as simple as one particular movie having such drastic effects on career(s), but it's certainly not impossible, either. Based upon what I've read, it's also not any more fair, I think, than the deals they have now.

  • May 1, 2012, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Harry – X2-X3

    by HyphenatedWords

    Harry, I can't remember your reaction to X2, but this review of The Avengers reminds me of the piece I breathlessly wrote after coming home from that movie. It has its faults, yes, but I loved how they treated the X-Men characters with sincerity, coolness, and fun. The point that flipped me, though, was the hint of the Phoenix Force at the end and Jean's closing voiceover.<br> <br> Well, I left the theater in geek shock. They were going there. THEY. WERE. GOING. THERE! That little flicker of flame in the water meant that we were going to see space and alien empires and other heros and an expanded Marvel cinematic universe.<br> <br> Instead, we got X3. Ouch.<br> <br> So, I hope that even just half of the dreams you wrote about come to pass. Continue to get it right, Marvel. Give us back that feeling of utter, happy, disbelief that we're watching what we're watching.

  • May 1, 2012, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Chuck

    by davywankenobi

    Good choices, but we have to get Black Panther in there, too. The Wakandan vibranium connection would be cool, and we need some diversity anyway. But mostly because the Black Panther is a great character.

  • May 1, 2012, 11:43 p.m. CST

    If they ever get to use Wolverine, recast with...

    by Shermdawg

    McNulty, bub.

  • May 1, 2012, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Agreed, Black Panther should be in there.

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

  • The 1st hour of Cap was good film making but after the sing and dance number the movie devolved into above mediocrity at some points and just entertaining at others.

  • May 1, 2012, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Thank God for Harry Knowles!

    by 2soon2eat

    Look, I've enjoyed the bashing of HK's reviews. It's a favorite pastime at AICN. But there is no denying he is the heart and spirit of this blog. We make fun of his childhood references, but they also kind of hit a nostalgic nerve at the same time. HARRY WE LOVE YOU!!! Am I breaking the geek nerd rule of never being positive? OH YEAHHH!!! [/scene breaks to reveal giant beverage man destroying retaining wall]

  • Thanos is coming in.

  • May 1, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST

    user897

    by Batguy

    Yeah, I know. This site isn't what it used to be. Harry never responds to anything I ever write, either. I'm pretty sure he's intimidated by my potential to own him as a writer. Of course, given his inability to complete a sentence properly, that isn't a major feat.

  • May 1, 2012, 11:52 p.m. CST

    In fact I would prefer him to say Wasp.

    by dahveed1972

  • May 1, 2012, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Post credits character?

    by MattDomville

    Do you mean John Waters? http://www.cinemabums.com/?p=335

  • Right...........

  • May 1, 2012, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Avengers DID make the new Batman trailer seem pretty weak.

    by Flip63Hole

    Not saying I have any love for The Dark Knight and whoever the hell it was Heath Ledger was trying to portray, but after seeing the Avengers, Nolan himself seems like a parody of the serious artist - making a frigging comic book movie. Wow, you get 'em, Chris. Great review, Harry. When this final Batman turns out to be another dud, let 'em have it. The fanboys will get over it...

  • May 2, 2012, midnight CST

    Non powered Avengers

    by davywankenobi

    I agree, if we are headed toward the cosmic side of things, we need some powerful characters, but if there is a Thanos/Infinity Gauntlet plotline, why not have as many Avengers as we can fit in. We could get Beta Ray Bill from Thor 2. How awesome would that be, to see Thor fight in and alien war and never even set foot on Earth in Thor 2? Captain America 2 could introduce some characters, maybe Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch, and Captian America confront modern ethnic cleansing in the eastern European states where they would hail from. Throw in War Machine from Iron Man and you could have the small army needed to fight Thanos.

  • May 2, 2012, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Nolan's Batman is sci-fi; The Avengers is fantasy.

    by Happyfat73

    And I'm down with that - I love both sci-fi and fantasy.

  • May 2, 2012, 12:01 a.m. CST

    A live action Planet Hulk

    by Phategod2

    Would be great, hard to explain in the Universe of the Marvel/Disney Avengers. But Isn't Planet Hulk essentially Sparticus with the Hulk on a different planet?

  • And I know my nephew would go apeshit if he saw him fighting alongside Hulk and Cap. Because he is already so well known, he could appear sans origin story in a cameo and not detract from any other new Avengers being introduced.

  • May 2, 2012, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Chiwetel Ejofor = Black Panther. Y'all know this to be true!

    by Amadeo Zeller

  • May 2, 2012, 12:06 a.m. CST

    When do we get The Vision??

    by MARCEL_THE_NEGRO_PROJECTIONIST

    That's the shit I wanna see!

  • May 2, 2012, 12:06 a.m. CST

    If they did make Planet Hulk, they'd totally change things up.

    by Shermdawg

    Because as others have said, it'd just be John Carter with the Green Giant.

  • May 2, 2012, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Agreed, Ejofor is the ONLY choice for Black Panther

    by davywankenobi

  • May 2, 2012, 12:08 a.m. CST

    I just picture Batman instead of Loki **spoiler**

    by thelordofhell

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ZtiaYepzQ&feature=g-hist

  • May 2, 2012, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Ejiofor, I mean

    by davywankenobi

  • May 2, 2012, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Harry, where does THE AVENGERS...

    by Chris Moody

    ...rank among all superhero films?

  • May 2, 2012, 12:13 a.m. CST

    I'd go slightly younger

    by Phategod2

    I would Pick Chiwetel as the bad guy he does a excellent Villian. maybe the jealous brother type mad because he was not crowned king. Laz Alonso is my first choice for Black Panther. with Michael J White playing his father.

  • May 2, 2012, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Terry Crews would be the perfect modern version of Luke Cage.

    by Amadeo Zeller

  • May 2, 2012, 12:20 a.m. CST

    batman vs avengers

    by aaron

    I don't get why it has to be one or the other. I love nolan's batman movies and I really like what is happening with the marvel universe. I'd like to see DC step up with more quality, but really don't care which studio is on top as long as we are getting some kickass movies. I think DC has to do something different with their other properties or they are going to be in a bad place. I just don't understand why we have to choose. as long as people aren't supporting twilight in theatres I am a happy camper

  • May 2, 2012, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Harry is not the only one

    by Robbiemc9

    I fucking hate Nolans Batman films. Boring, depressing and waaaaayyyyy too long. Need to pop a few anti d's afterwards and spend a day on a bouncy castle to recover. Inception was a snooze fest too. None of the characters were likable enough to care if they survived the dream within a dream within a dream. It was a one trick pony stretched out to 3 tedious hours. Everyone is a prick in Nolans movies. As another talkbacker wrote Batman sounds like Kathleen Turner for half of it. It takes over half the first movie for Batman to even appear and all that kungfu on ice shit at the beginning is 1.5hrs of my life I wont get back. The trailer alone for the next one already sucked the joy out of my day....

  • May 2, 2012, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Jeez, user897, relax...

    by nick

    You realize that you don't have to come to this site that you hate so much, right?

  • May 2, 2012, 12:34 a.m. CST

    The Avengers is funny book. The Dark Knight is post-modern.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    I'm not saying one is better than the other, but one has more cultural relevance. The Avengers is a landmark film. The Dark Knight is a legendary film. The Avengers is important to the genre. The Dark Knight is important to the history of film. Apples and oranges; apples grow in far more environments. The Dark Knight = apples.

  • May 2, 2012, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Harry has a point. Nolan's Batman can be too pretentious at times.

    by Onin Solstice

    Still love DK and will probably fap all over DKR, but even I see how sometimes big ideas are too big and make the action seem almost irrelaven to the over ambitious concepts being explored. And in addition, I sincerely hope Batman gets his back broken Knightfall style and we see the most glorious comeback scene of all time!

  • I don't even know where to start the dissection of that anti-studio screed...so I won't even start. I suggest starting here...www6.austincc.edu... ...take a basic Macro Econ class to get your feet wet...and after a few years of intensive schooling come back and we'll talk about how EVERYTHING you hold most dear in life is due to the very "Evil Companies" and suits you so quickly deride.

  • Elite Squad 2: The Enemy Within is on Netflix. Why did nobody in this talk-balk inform me of this?

  • May 2, 2012, 12:39 a.m. CST

    the_cellarrat

    by DANGER_DIABOLIK_

    re- BUT WHAT ABOUT BUSH? post/comment..... Mate, seriously, that post of yours very nearly made me both soil and piss myself laughing.....incredible stuff. Thank eff, I had some Tena Lady lying around....

  • and it changes nothing in regards to the Marvel properties. This particular series of films has been planned this way for years..., Marvel has had the blueprint to tie in the properties they hold in total since before Disney bought them...Disney $ and Distribution channels just made it easier to accomplish. Disney may try to buy back the rights for some characters...but considering they are doing just fine without them, why spend my money to do it? Unless they can be had reasonably...it ain't gonna happen. The best you can hope for is a brokered appearance of a character...and even then the legal wrangling would push the costs through the roof; just getting Bugs Bunny and Micky Mouse on the same screen almost killed "Who Framed Roger Rabbit", and there weren't even any actors or their agents involved in that negotiation.

  • May 2, 2012, 12:47 a.m. CST

    SUPERMAX!

    by Benjamin Allen

    12min43sec into Elite Squad 2: that version of a Green Arrow film should be made and I've got my vote who should make it.

  • It's that good. And no matter how many accolades this movie gets, nothing will prepare you for what you're going to see when you get to your seat this friday. I've seen The Avengers for the 1st time at the premiere screening here in Brazil and I've gotta say I've never seen nothing like the crowd that watched the movie with me. I came early at the Cinemark lounge where some geeks were waiting for the beginning of the movie, what I didn't expect was the huge number of women and older couples to watch the movie at 12am of friday. Crowd were fucking insane, I've been to the premieres of all the Spider-Man, all Nolan's Batman, Avatar and all the Marvel movies and I've never seen anything like that. People cheered, screamed and applauded throughout the whole fucking movie. It was fucking insane. I've got a good seat and an excellent movie theater, I was sort of worried with the 3D because I do have my reservations with the format and I didn't got to wear my contact lenses, but the movie looked to me as the best 3D experience I've ever had, even wearing the 3D glasses over my regular ones. The thing about the 3D of this movie is that it's cleverly used, I felt immersed in the experience of the movie, forfetting that was a 3D movie, that until something happened and BANG, very clever use of the 3D effects indeed. The movie looks like everything I've been waiting for to see since I started reading comics. It's a dream coming true, a fucking surreal experience. I don't think I've ever seen a movie that just screams "Watch me again!!" so much as this one. It's complex, with a shitton of layers that it takes repeating viewings to digest everything. It's a blockbuster movie made with heart. It's the best The Avengers story I've ever seen. It's Joss Whedon teaching everyone that IT IS POSSIBLE. Nothing is impossible anymore. I've read some TDKR fan saying yesterday that The Avengers isn't a movie that will change anyone's lives. I agree with him, no movie should change anyone's lives, this is silly. What The Avengers is doing is changing the game, changing cinema itself. I can't believe that Marvel made it. I can't believe that Joss Whedon did it. This is the most unbelievable movie I've ever seen. I've seen Star Wars when I was a kid. I've seen Lord of the Rings as an young adult. I've seen The Avengers as a man. And all of them have this very rare, unique quality, of making a kid out of me. You're in for a real treat, fellow true believere. AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!!!!!!!!

  • May 2, 2012, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Fuck Bale Tire-tread man who barely shows up

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    in his own sequel.

  • May 2, 2012, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Djimon

    by Phategod2

    Way too old for the pnather Perfect for his father who dies in Act I

  • May 2, 2012, 1:03 a.m. CST

    the_cellarrat..."you cannot let the inmates run the asylum"

    by conspiracy

    That hits the nail RIGHT ON THE HEAD. Can you imagine a film where the director had 100% control and a basically an unlimited budget? Can you imagine the complete, cluster fucked mess that would be? I can...it is called John Carter and it cost Disney, meaning us shareholders, a fuck ton of money. Stanton had 100% Geek control, and ran about $25M over budget, Ross let him do whatever he wanted, it was a regular Geek fucking orgy. And the result ensured that not only would it never turn a profit...but that no sequels would ever get made. These fuckers may LOVE movies...but God Damned if they understand the fucking business...or ANY business for that matter. Tight reigns ensure focus, and quality...people actually give a shit when they have hard boundaries they HAVE to stay in lest their jobs and points get cut.

  • May 2, 2012, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Can't wait... not coming to Japan until August

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    A business trip may be in order

  • May 2, 2012, 1:13 a.m. CST

    @ conspiracy and all... agreed

    by Benjamin Allen

    Boundaries define creativity rather than inhibit. the box created think out of.

  • May 2, 2012, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Harry and Nolan

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    If Harry was anyone else you would be wondering if Nolan nailed his wife, daughter or sister. But with Harry it seems to be about ego , maybe Nolan knocked back a BNAT request , interview request or just didn't provide the goods

  • 'Nuff said. as they say.

  • May 2, 2012, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Sorry Harry, but with a title like that....

    by Jackie Boy

    It really makes a seasoned reader like me want to run for cover.

  • May 2, 2012, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Why would you want anything other than a dark, angsty BATMAN?

    by wcolbert

    Sort of defines the character, from the start. So Harry, you want a more upbeat Batman? His parents were murdered in front of him when he was a child. The city is replete with the sickest and most deranged criminals you can imagine. The man has some serious psychological issues himself (he dresses up as a bat and jumps around the city at night, for crying out loud...not to mention invests billions in the whole obsession)... I think we've all seen how much sense an upbeat, "fun", joke-cracking Batman makes. The only way it has ever worked, or been respected, has been when there has been a very austere manner to the whole thing. The idiots who made the 90's films clearly had no understanding of what makes Batman...the goddamned Batman. Superman can be light hearted. He grew up in an idealic environment with two loving parents, became a 6'4", black haired, blue eyed, chiseled, perfect specimen of a man who, oh yeah, is nearly invincible and as nearly no limits to what he can do. Spiderman can be, too. He's a kid with a camera who got bitten by a spider and now has amazing abilities. big whoop. Nothing to complain about. But BATMAN? The guy is a psychopathic billionaire with a dangerous obsession and the funds to do something about it. Fun and flashy, in the sense that you view the Avengers as, doesn't really lend itself in this case. Unless George Clooney's bat-nipples actually worked for you.

  • May 2, 2012, 1:47 a.m. CST

    "..it makes DARK KNIGHT RISES almost seem like a serious parody.."

    by AnalFissure

    You are a complete and utter fucking spastic.

  • May 2, 2012, 1:48 a.m. CST

    ijacksparrow I love your enthusiasm

    by gotilk

    Contagious, man. Contagious. I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you for loving something that much. I feel the same damned way, but somehow just didn't ... feel right about saying it quite that way. Thanks, man. I agree.

  • May 2, 2012, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Diana Troy ramming the invisible Jet between TolTarlion's brownstarrz!

    by Benjamin Allen

    Preaching to a choir but... You should all really give Elite Squad 2 a chance. At 1:01:36 in (admittedly I took a smoke break or two) it exemplifies a storytelling that exacts liberties of previously established characters in order to compel a viewer. also, consider TolTarion copywright.

  • May 2, 2012, 2:18 a.m. CST

    no way I'm reading this

    by Droogie Alex

    and have Harry blabbing spoilers like he always does. I've been burned too many times.

  • May 2, 2012, 2:21 a.m. CST

    the thing, Nolan's trailers for Batman were always underwhelming

    by chien_sale

    It shows to me that guy does everything for art and not for show

  • May 2, 2012, 2:27 a.m. CST

    Glad to see Harry has joined the chorus of idiots...

    by Bass Ackwards

    ...who insist on praising Avengers by taking swipes at Nolan's Batman. Its too much to ask that we have a summer full of potentially great genre flicks and choose to enjoy and celebrate that. Nope, we're going to arbitrarily pit them against each other, and if we like any of the flicks we then implicitly agree to devoutly hate the other flicks. Way to lower the standard big guy. Next time I see people complaining about what a cess pool the talk backs are, I'll remind them who it is around here that sets the tone.

  • something about Bale's little wirey jaw poking out of the tiny hole they have for the mouth in the costume just rubs me the wrong way. Just nitpicking here, but in my mind Batman should be built like a brutal beast and have a square, alpha-male jaw (but as Bruce Wayne should still be passable as a good looking playboy). If only Kevin Conroy would just voice a fully CGI Batman movie that is in the tone of the Arkham games.

  • But Batman and his world are already cool enough for the masses, you just have to embrace that world and properly expose it. and Batman has never been flat out fantasy. It's instead a dreamscape that only stretches the realm of possibility for the sake of giving an insane contrast to Batman's steely focus and discipline. Any fantasy or sci-fi is used sparingly like you'd find in the Game of Thrones.

  • May 2, 2012, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Just brilliant!

    by tattooedjackass

    Saw this last night and it was amazing everything a geek would want and more and even if you wasn't a geek for these movies you would still love it for it's entertainment value, i can't wait to see this again, my only thing is i wish i watched it in 2D as 3D for thios isn't really up to much as it was converted and not filmed in 3D!

  • May 2, 2012, 2:44 a.m. CST

    Review ???

    by aimhigh

    I enjoyed AVENGERS, a clever and well done movie on a difficult material, but this , so -called "review" is unbelieveble . I am sure everybody is extremely excited to find out en each "review" things about Harry but , on occasions I would like to know a little bit about ..., well, the movie! (read QUINT review and compare). The final nail in the coffin was his stupid comparison to brilliant Nolan's Batman series which made me understand , once and for all , how partial he is in his comments (...or maybe Nolan does not give him any gifts)

  • May 2, 2012, 2:56 a.m. CST

    The Hulk is quite the scene-stealer :)

    by Bloodhound

    Rather unexpectedly so. Nice work all round.

  • May 2, 2012, 3:05 a.m. CST

    Haha you're welcome, gotik

    by Jack

    But this is all the movie. The Avengers deserves this kind of enthusiasm. People will go apeshit crazy after the midnight of next friday. Shit will get real, hahaha

  • May 2, 2012, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Harry's hatred of NOLAN is getting embarrassing

    by melonman

    Maybe he doesn't want to talk to you because he's too busy making movies…

  • The exact polar opposite of awesome - it'd be a bloated, flatulent mess - like a series of 20 minute condensed backstories and embarrassingly cheesy one liners. Harry is exactly the sort of fan movie makers SHOULDN'T be making movies for.

  • And let's face it - we have a HULK…

  • May 2, 2012, 3:19 a.m. CST

    Avengers and Neal Adams

    by jack Bauer

    The Avengers film left me panting for more, truly a wondrous bit of film making and bringing the Marvel universe into it. My initial reservations about Hawkeye and Black widow were met and crushed, they were kick arse. The Hulk, what can I say, genius, I loved the way he went from enemy to cohort, the humour was spot on and the cast just felt sweet together. I still HATE the cap costume but Cap was the Cap I know, the leader, the control. The enemy were forgettable but hell, I just enjoyed the Avengers beating on them. Roll on Avengers 2... Not sure I get the comparison between TDK and the Avengers, they are totally different franchises in the way they are handled, you have dark mean and moody vs The Avengers Heroic joy, to judge them side by side is stupid. Looking at TDK trailer on its own I found it bland, I hope it plays out better than that and I do hope there's no use of any Inception type plots or links, just make the Batman dark and sinister. I'm with Harry on Neal Adams, brilliant artist, I grew up with his contribution to comics, every Adams creation was a thing of awe, so sad he was wasted doing covers for so long, he could take a character and convey every emotion perfectly, the Green Lantern & Green Arrow 70's stuff was EPIC, pure real life stuff, they pushed the CC real hard...A must read.. Its a bit sad that the new Batman Odyssey comic written and drawn by Neal a little freaky for me, the art begs for Dick Giordano to have been the inker, he was the fine edge that made Neal's stuff live more but its good enough, the story for me was just irritating. Still, its brilliant seeing Neal back doing stuff for both Marvel and DC, hope there's more..

  • And that's exactly why The Avengers is fucking brilliant. Whedon's The Avengers achieved the impossible with a focused movie that makes your statement - one that I completely would stand for haven't seen the movie - invalid. It makes the impossible, possible. And that's why The Avengers is so fucking brilliant. Harry's praise and all the praise that The Avengers are getting is well deserved. And no matter how many people keep saying how this is brilliant, trust me, it's even more brilliant than that. There's no hype big enough for this movie. Honestly. You'll eat your own words.

  • May 2, 2012, 3:44 a.m. CST

    MUST READ BEFORE SEEING AVENGERS!

    by AttackingClone

    The Avengers is a fantastic movie. IT IS THE BEST SUPERHERO FILM I HAVE SEEN.......lBUT go in without expecting it to be. I think you'll just be disappointed (it's not the movie that's in your head). we've all been there before. Also, from all the reviews I've read I'm surprised nobody has mentioned how drool-worthy Pepper Potts (Gwyneth) is in Iron Mans recruitment scene. I've never found her to be that attractive, but here, Dayam!

  • and being a HUGE Whedon nerd since the beginning of Buffy - if I could only choose one of the films to see - it would be Dark Knight Rises hands down. Luckily, we don't have to choose. So glad Whedon is finally getting the widespread recognition he deserves!

  • May 2, 2012, 3:53 a.m. CST

    ijacksparrow

    by gotilk

    And I'll be right back to see it again with them. I can't wait.

  • May 2, 2012, 3:53 a.m. CST

    attackingclone

    by Jack

    I think it's just the opposite, man. No matter how hyped someone get to see this movie, it won't disappoint. I avoided reviews and trailers like crazy, but I've read that there was a lot of positive ones, and people saying that it was a brilliant and stuff, but I was still skeptical. But maybe that's just me, I'm always skeptical before I see something with my own eyes.

  • May 2, 2012, 4:04 a.m. CST

    gotik

    by Jack

    Dude, my fucking 15 years old cousin is going apeshit to see this. She never really saw Marvel movies before this month, she was one of those Twilight kids like two years ago. Now she's ecstatic for me to take her, she's with all my blurays catching up with the previous movies. I think it's amazing the influence this movie is having with people of all changes, people that never actually cared about Marvel Comics or movies before that. Marvel is finally taking over the World. I never thought it could actually happen, haha. I'm taking her next saturday, we'll travel to a city two hours from here so she can see The Avengers with me, it's her first time with 3D glasses too. It'll be cool, haha

  • ...and shorter. i mean all of this game changer talk was being said about TDK just a few years ago...people were having the same hyperbolic reactions. now i'm sure that avengers is good, but i really get the feeling that the reactions are the result of it being good+different+new, not good+different+better. it doesn't look like apples and oranges to me...it looks like avengers is a big beautiful layered ice cream cake...but, i know for me, once that sugar high goes away i'll be glad to get the substantial full course meal that nolan has always been able to cook up. it's like trying to compare the works of a young lucas or spielberg to a young ridley scott or cameron...these guys were all putting out movies based on pulp material but coming out with VERY different results...there's room for both...different, not better. if whedon has delivered a movie that is both fun and smart- then i will salute him...but what sold me in the TDKR trailer is that it looks like batman is going to be put through the emotional/physical/spiritual wringer...i haven't gotten that from anything i've seen or heard about avengers- which is fine! different...not better. whedon's avengers looks like a comic book brought to life. and that's great. nolan's batman films feel like a 3 part biopic of my favorite character...and that's great, too.

  • I've seen AVENGERS and loved it - but Harry was talking about pulling ALL the Marvel characters together - which would be complete fucking overkill. WHEDON juggled the main character arcs brilliantly, but adding another 10 or so to the mix would be exposition heavy. So I'm not eating my words shithead, but you do need to learn to read.

  • May 2, 2012, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Still waiting for a review

    by Funis4assholes

    That takes this movie to task over its inconsistencies. I loved it, but really... why were the Chitauri basically stopped in their tracks like Star Wars' robot army? The Hulk's totally unexplained change of character? Most importantly, was Thanos watching TV on his asteroid for the whole film? Why didn't he help out? Also, given that this film has been thouroughly and universally positively reviewed, does EVERY member of your team need to take a crack at it?

  • May 2, 2012, 5:04 a.m. CST

    4/5

    by RocketFuckingMan

    Calm down and temper your expectations.

  • May 2, 2012, 5:05 a.m. CST

    melonman: pretty sure Harry only meant it in the context of cameos

    by AreYouNotEntertained

  • DC have Bats ... nothing else. Superman will suck and the rest are laughable. Hail to the Marvel kings.

  • May 2, 2012, 5:05 a.m. CST

    "…and they bring in folks like Joel Schumacher.."

    by drompter

    Don't be too hard on the guy. While his Batman movies were certainly train wrecks, Joel Schumacher is nowhere near a hack like the Ratners, the Bays, etc, etc.

  • May 2, 2012, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Batman is Nolan's 007.

    by elsewhere

    Apparently Harry fails to see that.

  • May 2, 2012, 5:17 a.m. CST

    phone booth is the best movie of joel Schumacher's

    by emeraldboy

    career. really tense movie. and colin farell is supremely good in that.

  • .See you all Saturday when you tell me how great it was, if anyone finds a plot among the cgi monsters/robots/aliens/gods please let me know as i'd be interested. Yes it is a big dumb loud colourful kids movie, no i don't think there is anything wrong with that, yes it is worth sending the little ones away for a few hours to see it, no i don't think you should go with them, yes i think you shopuld go for a beer while the kids see the movie, yes by all means go see it if you found transformers and all the other marvel movies fun, no i didn't apart from IM1, yes the hulk is funny, yes i did laugh when he threw loki around the room, yes the aliens are the most ineffective soldiers since the robots from TPM , yes the cgi from avatar and transformers is much better, no this is not the best superheromovie ever, yes it is probably the loudest, no, there is no plot, no the action sceens are not great, yes the constant 'jokey' script does get annoying after 20 minutes, yes i liked whedons cabin in the woods better.

  • May 2, 2012, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Mewling Quim

    by Schadenfreude

    I love that they snuck that one by the censors - the secret's out now though so be interested to see if it makes the US cut.

  • May 2, 2012, 5:38 a.m. CST

    drstrangerlove, it's impossible to take you seriously

    by DidntPullOutInTimeCop

    You've been saying this movie will be crap since it was announced and yet you saw it the first weekend, only to trash it more. You gave it a 7/10 AND a 5/5 rating in the same review... Why spend so much time on something you think is shit? Oh, and: AWESOME movie that's RAKING it in, ensuring SEQUELS :)

  • May 2, 2012, 5:40 a.m. CST

    emeraldboy: you should check out TIGERLAND

    by melonman

    IMHO definitely best movie of both SCHUMACHER and FARRELL's careers - nothing else he's directed comes close to that quality.

  • May 2, 2012, 5:42 a.m. CST

    And it's not the greatest comicbook film ever.

    by RocketFuckingMan

    Might be the best Marvel film but not the best CM movie. Superman still owns that top spot. Not much goes on for the first 3/4hr and the baddie army just turns up and gets snotted,might as well have been battle droids. The last half hour was cool but did descend into a CGI fest like Transformers 3. Whats the point of a live action film only to make it look like a CGI cartoon? Defeats the object. A solid 4/5.

  • May 2, 2012, 5:46 a.m. CST

    Nolan + art and no show? @chien_sale...and everyone else.

    by Travis Denson

    Maybe you've forgotten that it's because of the fact that the previous Batman films by Burton and especially Schumacher were ALL show from the get-go...which ultimately became its downfall. What Nolan gave us was a different, hyper-realistic take on the superhero genre, and it was met woth open arms and appreciated by the masses. Now, THE AVENGERS has opened, and all everyone wants to do is bitch and complain about how dark and brooding the Nolan Batman films are. Have people gone officially sideways and nuts? Did you haters seem to forget that you gave hundreds of millions of dollars in box-office nut to both films combined? I'm going on record as a film buff to state that this recent, seemingly contagious and pathetic Internet hater-ade for TDKR (and Nolan's Batman in general) just because THE AVENGERS is opening this weekend is starting to take all the fun away from even watching THE AVENGERS for the first time. Which is a shitty position to be in, because even though I'm a staunch Batman fan, I'm very excited to see THE AVENGERS, and have been so for some time. It's sad to see that, instead of embracing this year as a turning point for movies in general, everyone has to be so backwards and hostile toward a completely different kind of comic book film like TDKR...and yes, I'm aware that this IS a Talkback forum, where overly self-righteous fanboys can be psychotic dickbags, but still...this is all starting to suck ass. For the past months, I've been seeing this all over the internet. Youtube, CNN, Yahoo, Collider forums, etc...it's sickening. Everyone seemed to beg and plead for a third Nolan Batman, and now that you got it, you want to run all over it's every detail simply because it's there to piss on. You hated Bane's voice, so they tried to fix it, and you still hate it! Nolan and his team listened to the complaints, apparently made some adjustments without compromising their personal vision, and all you ungrateful fuckwits can do is complain: the trailer sucks and is too boring and slow, Hathaway sucks as Catwoman, Nolan films are not "fun" or "bright" or whatever, Bane's voice sucks, etc....you people are building this thing up to be a catastrophe before the damn thing is even released! And RE to Harry's comment you leveled toward TDKR: I find it especially interesting that now, because you were treated to the awesomeness that is AVENGERS that you're entire take on Nolan's films have suddenly seemed to have changed. You are now on record as being tired of Nolan's take after two films; dissing the new TDKR trailer and wish for something different in the future. Something with shades of what THE AVENGERS is doing, perhaps? Man, have you no idea how much you completely lost me there. Your comments insulted me as both a Batman fan and a frequent reader and follower of this site, because all that you seem to be achieving is adding gas to the flames of this dumbshit "war" just because you're under THE AVENGERS' deep spell. I don't recall you singing the same tune when TDK was released, and I sure as hell didn't see any of that in your original review of TDK. No wonder others are pissed. Listen, like I said, I realize this is a Talkback forum, and that everyone is entitled to their own opinion...no matter how insane or hateful that opinion may be (I've seen hundreds of doozies on this site so far), and that bitching about movies in gegeral has been a commonplace practice for years. And yes, if I don't like what I read or hear, I can simply go away and not bother to read anymore. But when you have these big entities like THE AVENGERS and TDKR in play, there's a certain interest in knowing what your peers reactions and perceptions are. And I can't help but be deeply hurt and disappointed...as a comic-book fan, as a DC/Marvel fan, and as a film buff in general...at what is being thrown around cyberspace regarding this asinine "war" between THE AVENGERS and TDKR waged by immature, self-righteous fanboys that refuse to know the difference between two specifically different types of motion pictures. 2012 is going to be the biggest year for movies in eons, and many people are ecstatic about all that is happening. Please don't ruin good movies for the rest of us who just want to have a thoughtful and/or fun time with your misguided insanity.

  • But I think that the new Batman will hit me deeper than the avengers (that is a lot of fun but silly). And my personal dream is that Michael Bay forgets about the robots and directs the new avengers. And shoot it like a trilogy (like lord of the rings), with a real badass script and a lot of dollars invested on it. With real cojones!! That will be awesome!!!

  • May 2, 2012, 5:51 a.m. CST

    this movie is ok the final act is really like transformers 3 with superheroes

    by DeineHinokischeSigile

  • May 2, 2012, 5:52 a.m. CST

    so if you love michael bay you`ll get what you want...

    by DeineHinokischeSigile

  • May 2, 2012, 5:53 a.m. CST

    i havent seen any magic that whedon did...it looks like a michael bay movie!

    by DeineHinokischeSigile

  • We are allowed to like them both y'know… And the studios aren't even competing them seeing as the releases are 2 months apart… It is possible to enjoy more than one type of movie a year. Which is what these two are. Otherwise it's like deciding you're only going to reverse blump all year because ANY OTHER TYPE OF SEX SUCKS. Fucking AICN retards…

  • May 2, 2012, 5:54 a.m. CST

    and most of you will see it also!

    by DeineHinokischeSigile

  • May 2, 2012, 5:56 a.m. CST

    porn damn it!:)

    by DeineHinokischeSigile

  • May 2, 2012, 5:57 a.m. CST

    this is just a cgi michael bay kind of movie no more not less!be warned

    by DeineHinokischeSigile

  • Not the one with the big bad "T." reveal but the supposed other one.

  • May 2, 2012, 6:05 a.m. CST

    if you mix x-men 3 with transformers 3 youll get this avengers

    by DeineHinokischeSigile

  • May 2, 2012, 6:10 a.m. CST

    @Engle.....spot on

    by RocketFuckingMan

    First Class WAS better. So was Kick Ass Dark Knight Superman 1 Batman Begins Slightly better than IM and Thor.

  • One because the movie deserves. Two because I like to see Nolanites cry.

  • May 2, 2012, 6:12 a.m. CST

    I ain't a Nolanite.....Prestige sucked.

    by RocketFuckingMan

    I'm just a guy who likes films,although a Batman film from the guy who gave us Inception sounds just the ticket.

  • May 2, 2012, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Why are you so afraid, pathetic Nolanites?

    by Jack

  • May 2, 2012, 6:16 a.m. CST

    by MikeTheSpike

    "our wet dream is going to splash over the world and get folks roaring their approval." Uhm... alright....

  • May 2, 2012, 6:17 a.m. CST

    rocketfuckingman/engel

    by Jack

    Your pathetic attempts to badmouth this movie are laughable, stupid plant. Bale and Nolan won't let you suck their balls. Give up.

  • May 2, 2012, 6:20 a.m. CST

    A $250 million Hulk movie? are you serious?

    by dexter cornell

    That makes zero financial sense and there's no evidence that anyone beyond the core geeks would ever see it (look at the first 2 Hulk films and what they made). Whedon has accomplished much with this film, not the least of which is this - Hulk is a much better supporting player than full length feature. It just IS.

  • May 2, 2012, 6:23 a.m. CST

    Plant,badmouthing?

    by RocketFuckingMan

    Hey buster I liked the film,a solid 4/5,what I'm saying is don't get to caught up in the hype or you will be disappointed as its a little reminiscent of a Transformers film with a dash of Ironman.Sure enjoyable but not the second fucking coming.

  • May 2, 2012, 6:30 a.m. CST

    I really wish you'd all just fuck off

    by theblackvegtable

    You should feel privileged to have had comic book films, with the passion and dedication Nolan has given them to you. Nolan has given you depth and emotion, yet all you idiots care about is fancy effects and thrills. Shame, shame shame.

  • May 2, 2012, 6:30 a.m. CST

    The Avengers is fucking brilliant. Puny Nolanites.

    by Jack

    Don't you think that people will start to suspect that you're desperstely trying to talk doen this movie? Don't you see how pathetic it is? It won't make the TDKR trailer less boring, you know... neither The Avengers less brilliant. May 4th will be a special date in America. Just like April 27th was here. You won't be able to make people hate this movie, no matter how hard you try.

  • May 2, 2012, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Not surprised

    by AtheistScum

    But seriously, let's take a couple overdone, moderately watchable, mindless franchises and combine them with some new, totally unwatchable, meaningless franchises and turn it into one big blow-up with some mild jokes and lots of fire to produce the biggest, over-produced, over-hyped, mindless entertainment of the summer that people will pay $13 per ticket to see. UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! I SAY NO!!!!

  • May 2, 2012, 6:35 a.m. CST

    @rocketfuckingman damn right!:)

    by DeineHinokischeSigile

  • May 2, 2012, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Prometheus will own summer

    by RocketFuckingMan

    Might not make as much money but it will be the better film.

  • May 2, 2012, 6:41 a.m. CST

    Comparing to transformers 3:

    by kim

    The action,the CGI, and the direction on transformers 3 is much better and jaw dropping. But the charisma of those robots cannot be compared with seeing Cap America, Hulk, Iron Man and Thor, cos' that's a dream come true and very awaited moment for a lot of people, even when thoes loved characters fight with a lot of brainless cartoons is fun to see. It's just simple as that.

  • May 2, 2012, 6:41 a.m. CST

    Tom and Cap did do well

    by RocketFuckingMan

    for me,Black Widow was cooler than she has been too.

  • It creates the illusion of depth. It makes the average joe and the geeks feeling important, special, deep and one of kind snowflake. This was very clever, that's what makes you Nolanites blindly love Nolan movies even before they arrive and hate anything that menaces your God. The Avengers are coming for you, Nolanites. Some SMASHING is required. :)

  • May 2, 2012, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Hawkeye looked like Daniel Craig.

    by RocketFuckingMan

    His long lost American brother.

  • May 2, 2012, 6:52 a.m. CST

    jeremy renner did the same performance like in mi4, the same!:)

    by DeineHinokischeSigile

  • May 2, 2012, 6:54 a.m. CST

    You know Harry doesn't like a movie as much as he claims when

    by Jethro Bodine

    he goes on and on about other movies he'd like to see but will never happen. Another clue: He'll compare the film at hand to other properties and films, especially ones that haven't been released. The more time he spends dissing other films or studios demonstrates that the review is the fruit of spite and an agenda. Clearly, Marvel and Disney seek out Harry's approval, while Nolan and co. give not a fuck. Separate note: I'm no corporate apologist, but Harry's anti-corporate sentiments are ironic to the point of absurdity in a review that calls for new and expanded franchises while splooging all over a film that represents the apex of modern corporate planning in the movie industry.

  • May 2, 2012, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Am I allowed to like both?

    by Johnboy40

    Cos, you know, I like Nolan's vision for Batman. And I like Whedon's vision for the Avengers. they both work. I wouldnt wanna see Batman made like the avengers though., because I dont think that tone would work well for batman, these days.

  • The cold and sad truth. You are delusional to think there's anything more than that.

  • You should have killed Whedon when you had the chance, Nolanites. Now is too late.

  • What will you do, then? Cry?

  • May 2, 2012, 7:12 a.m. CST

    if ledgers death is the only reason TDK won an oscar

    by Johnboy40

    why didnt eyes wide shut win one for Kubrik? (allowing for the fact it was crap, although was apparently really happy with it)

  • Don't get me wrong, Heath performance was brilliant, but not Oscar material. Maybe a nomination, but he won because he died. I remember people campaigning for this and planning for his kid to get the Oscar, since Heath could never do that in the future.

  • May 2, 2012, 7:19 a.m. CST

    ijacksparrow

    by theblackvegtable

    Listen here you little shit I don't care who's movies you thought were better, but have some respect for a deceased legend. Heath Ledger was a great actor and should be spoken only in the highest regard.

  • And everybody knows that.

  • May 2, 2012, 7:20 a.m. CST

    to win*

    by Jack

  • I won't cover my eyes and ears and pretend that it wouldn't happen differently in case he wasn't dead because it would. He'd probably win an Oscar one day. But not for The Dark Knight.

  • I get what Harry meant by comparing it to the Dark Knight trailer and quite frankly i friggin' agree with him. Christopher Nolan has undoubtedly done a great job with the films. but honestly, with the direction of movies now adays, it leaves me not feeling complete, The first "Dark Knight' was 'Very Good" but i wuldn't say it was FRIGGIN AWESOME!!! The ONLY saving grace in the 2nd film was Heath Ledger's Joker! if it wasn't for that, i could see the film being a snoozefest. Again, the films are good, but (and Harry maybe you agree) I've been WAITING for something to come in and kick my ass! Even transformers, and the old Tobey McQuire Spidey Films kicked 'some' ass. If the Avengers kicks as MUCH ASS as Harry is leading me to beleive then shit! I'll watch this mother fucker 4-5 times in the theater, maybe more! I just feel like Dark Knight is going to be the same brooding formula as the first two. It's good, but i'm done with that franchise, i want something more exciting. Ok, done. -Rex

  • The Avengers is the epitome of what a blockbuster should be. The Avengers proves that it is indeed possible to make a definitive and complete adaptation of characters based on comic books. Batman Begins was the best Batman movie so far, but there's more to Batman than that and that's what Harry means. The Avengers is SMASHING the box office this year and getting praises from all around the globe, critics and public alike, for a fucking reason. And the reason is that people will leave the movie theater feeling they had just witnessed the best blockbuster movie they've seen in quite sometime, maybe in their entire lives. That's why Nolanites are going fucking crazy here. Fear.

  • My guess.

  • May 2, 2012, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Saw it and just didn't care...

    by TheApostle

    The first 45 minutes is a bore. I never cared about what was happening or the characters. And sorry, but Thor is laughable. The character is goofy in comic books and translates even worse to live action. He's like a big dumb pro-wrestler speaking proper English and swinging a goofy hammer around. There's no great scenes in the movie that stick with you. There's no originality. It's just a typical action movie. Downey is the best thing about The Avengers.

  • Tell me more about how Nolan is the second coming of Jesus Christ.

  • May 2, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Nolanites = Losers

    by Klaatu

    It's the truth. Deal with it.

  • May 2, 2012, 8:09 a.m. CST

    I like both franchises

    by isildur29

    but I haven't seen DKR so I'll reserve judgement even though the trailer looks great. I saw Avengers last week at a screening and any complaints are minor and petty. The movie was a ton of fun and had some fantastic moments. But since this is a place of haters I will list my minor complaints: - The 1st 30 minutes had pacing issues. - The helicarrier sequence was just a bit too long. I wish they had done something different with the locations. - Hawkeye was overused for a character no one cares about - The final 10 minutes turned into Iron Man 3 which will probably excite the masses but I wanted to see some more team work to stop the bomb/close the portal. Instead everyone just watches Iron Man. See? petty complaints that didn't take away from my enjoyment of the film. People are capable of really enjoying a movie but maturely mentioning what they thought could be better without shitting on the entire thing.

  • May 2, 2012, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Batman vs Avengers

    by simongarth2001

    Batman will probably be well done and a great final episode..but Avengers was FUN. Fun is why I go to summer movies. Who will make more? Who the frack knows? As long as they keep making these kinds of movies, for fans like me who like to see the impossible made real. I will be buying them both on Blu ray so in the end, I am the winner.

  • May 2, 2012, 8:10 a.m. CST

    @Theapostle....

    by isildur29

    No great scenes? I can think of 3 involving The Hulk alone. You wanted to hate it if you couldn't even find ONE great scene. Hell I'm sure GHOST RIDER 2 even had ONE great scene.

  • May 2, 2012, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Nolan is a lucky man....

    by Bob

    So many fanboy geeks here are willing to give him a blowjob 24/7. Stop being so fanatical dorks. In 2-3 years you'll all be screaming that the Batman Reboot "Isn't faithful to Nolan's vision!" or some shit like that. I agree with Harry, TDKR looks BLAND and lifeless compared to the EPIC Super Hero look of Avengers. I hope it does well, as I enjoyed the last two, but I don't care for Bane either as a villain. There were plenty of better choices for a realistic villain for the Final Batman movie.

  • May 2, 2012, 8:20 a.m. CST

    It makes my brain bleed....

    by Dr_Zoidberg

    To see all this bitching about comparing The Avengers to TDKR. I don't come to this site very often anymore and now I know why. Fair enough not liking films and wanting to rag (probably because you wanted to like it). But I'm guessing some of you bitching about them haven't even seen The Avengers. Living in the UK I've seen it twice. It IS fucking awesome. End of. Yes, a few problems but no more contrived than any other summer blockbuster. I also love Nolan's work, and adore The Prestige and Memento and Batman Begins. All his films are great. This is a wonderful time to be a geek.

  • May 2, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Speaking of DC Universe

    by mukhtabi

    I feel the time has come to contemplate Jason Blood and his woeful alter ego Etrigon. The Demon could rock so hard. Especially if you intersect Batman and Blood...

  • May 2, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Finally people making some sense around here.

    by Jack

  • May 2, 2012, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Nolan vs. Whedon

    by Ripper99

    While the Avengers is a great fun MOVIE, Nolan makes FILMS. Avengers...popcorn movie The Dark Knight Rises....film

  • May 2, 2012, 8:42 a.m. CST

    I don't think Harry was paid off as some said

    by isildur29

    He didn't even get a screening in Austin. Which is strange.

  • May 2, 2012, 8:50 a.m. CST

    There are way too many mewling quims on this talkback

    by melonman

    We've got at least 3 probably amazing genre pictures this summer, and retards here are making out only ONE of them will be worth watching. What the fuck is wrong with you spasticated cuntbags? Thank fuck the interweb wasn't around in 1982. AICN wankstains would have torn every movie apart before they'd even seen them. AVENGERS, PROMETHEUS, DARK KNIGHT RISES, SKYFALL, DJANGO UNCHAINED. THE AUDIENCE WINS FOR A CHANGE!

  • May 2, 2012, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Before watching The Passion of the Christ

    by LordPorkington

    I pulled out my original copy of the Bible and just reread it, to get myself in the right mood for watching the movie. Speaking of which, how about you show us this alleged first issue of The Avengers that you own in the next AICN video Harry? And a few of the other amazing things you own too? Instead of a collection of toy cars and some movie posters.

  • When Generation Y (Mosaic Generation) runs Hollywood? They're gonna milk live-action animes like how Generation X is milking live-action comics right now. Gen Y today is eating up more manga and anime compared to the good old comics.

  • May 2, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST

    melonman

    by Jack

    I'm sorry for not reading your other posts, I've got what you mean now. But I guess you understand why I'm kicking Nolanites asses first and asking questions later. I'll be watching Avengers again and again this month, Prometheus, Amazing Spider-Man and TDKR, and I never said I wouldn't. Nolanites that never at least watched this movie are bad mouthing it for being fucking trolls. It really makes me hate Nolan fanbase way more than I hate the Twilight fanbase. At least some of those dumb chicks are hot.

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  • May 2, 2012, 9:15 a.m. CST

    "truth"

    by JediWuddayaknow

    I like how every time one of the douchebags say something is "the truth" it's always, without fail, opinion.

  • May 2, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST

    expendables 2 teaser

    by thelastoutsider

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WKiHmB3nW7o

  • May 2, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Avengers is the new Star Wars.

    by UltraTron

  • May 2, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST

    $30,000 comic book?

    by Parallax

    Just looked up the value of that Avengers 1 comic book... exactly how rich is the guy running this site, anyway? O_O

  • May 2, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Avengers is the new Star Wars indeed.

    by Jack

    Actually, if Marvel keeps playing their cards right, I don't really know what's the limit for them. The possibilities are endless.

  • May 2, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Also: as to Batman's "lack of color"

    by Parallax

    Nobody was complaining about Nolan's first Batman flick being "angsty, over-wrought and a profound lack of color" when it was such a breath of fresh (dank?) air compared to all the swirling, colorful messes Batman movies were up until then. Maybe now that 3D is so prevalent, movies need to counteract the dimness of the filtration by over-saturating their palettes and being brighter than the surface of Mercury. But just because a film doesn't isn't a Burtonesque parade of sassy colors, it doesn't mean it's not suitably comic-booky.

  • May 2, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Dude, rosetta_the_stoned

    by sai_justin

    the "hit" thing? we get it - you smoke pot. the gimmick is dead, man.

  • May 2, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    @parallax RE: First Nolan's Batman

    by Jack

    I don't think me or Harry have ever complained about Batman Begins. The fact is that Batman Begins is Nolan's true gem in the Batman trilogy, while TDKR looks like more in the vain of TDK, what in my opinion is a fucking shame. The first Batman - maybe because Nolan wasn't completely in control - was a brilliant movie that took the mythos seriously and seemed proud of its comic book origins. The second one instead of a Batman movie, it was a Joker crime movie. And now it seems that we get a Batman crime movie. Honestly, I love Batman Begins and saw tons of potential back then, but somewhere down the line I feel that Nolan lost it.

  • I mean, you attack the site like it is stealing your pudding pop or something. Jesus, just chill out...and the rest of you as well.

  • May 2, 2012, 10:06 a.m. CST

    TDKR will still Beat Out The Avengers

    by hoorayforeric

    But who gives a crap. I'm going to see The Avengers Friday afternoon and can't wait! I also can't wait to see the TDKR trailer and love Nolan. I'm new to Whedon, but apparently he's done a great job. I do think that TDK will be the bigger hit and land the wider audience. Whether or not some fans want to pimp one side or the other...it doesn't matter. My girlfriend and my friend's girlfriends have no desire to see The Avengers and basically gave us a guys day to geek out. They all want to see TDKR with us and so do our parents and other family members. None of them care about The Avengers. It doesn't mean I'm not pumped or that The Avengers success won't spawn new fans...it will bigtime! I want to see more Avengers movies and LOVE to see great movies!! I spend a lot of money to see movies and therefore love when they are good. Nolan's vision is a great breath of fresh air after seeing all of the magical bright and colorful other Summer movies. It sucks you and haunts you after. I want that so bad from Batman and have since the Tim Burton era. Any reboot will have to take place many years from now. I hope Spider-Man is good, too. I just hate the whole Sony ownership, there. An appearance by Spidey in Avengers would have been amazing!! Maybe next time. But quit the bickering. Who cares who makes more. TDKR will come out right when audiences have all seen and done Avengers and it will be way down the Box Office list. With all of the crap between The Avengers and TDKR....They'll be ready to take on the next big Summer Blockbuster...and it'll last in theaters until football season. TDKR will make more than Avengers. BOTH will make zillions and will own everything this summer!!

  • You loved his shit, until you realized your imaginary Hollywood cred didn't mean jackshit in Nolans eyes. Since then, you hate on him, insult his great work, just because he does not leave messages on your answering maschine, like your pal Sly. I'm really sorry, but hating on TDKR seriousness, without having seen the film, really shows what kinda cunt you are. I LOVED the Avengers, but comparing this movie with Nolans Batman trilogy is stupid. I really hope Nolan still gets bigger and bigger each year and still keeps on not giving a fuck who you little ugly manchild are. I'm sorry, I always defended you, but this was pure bullshit.

  • And like many of you I cannot wait to see Prometheus and The Dark Knight Rises. Marvel took a pretty big gamble and it paid off big time. Sign me up for the inevitable sequel right now. I've steered clear of most of the Prometheus trailers because I think it's one of those movies that you need to know as little as possible about. I don't want to watch a trailer that basically spoils the entire movie. I know that it's set in the same universe as the Alien movies and that's good enough for me. As for The Dark Knight Rises, the new trailer is amazing. Cannot fucking wait. As we all know, the third movie in a trilogy usually sucks, but I'm pretty sure The Dark Knight Rises will be a exception to this rule. Comparing The Avengers to The Dark Knight Rises is just silly. Yes, they're both superhero movies but that's where the similarities stop. They have a totally different approach. Yeah, The Avengers will probably be the more "fun" movie, because Nolan's Batman movies have a more serious approach. But I'm willing to bet that The Dark Knight Rises will be as equally captivating as The Avengers.

  • May 2, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST

    engel: it's so lonely in your tower of indecipherable speech

    by UltraTron

  • I remember that Captain America was Hairy's favorite super-hero film of all-time and that he ranted and raved just like he did for the Avengers and when it was all said and done he didnt even put it in his top ten

  • May 2, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Kill the Troll's, they live under the bridges you know

    by Thadius

    Jesus H Christ Engel, give it a bloody rest. Get back under your bridge you bloody Troll. Comparing The Avengers to Transformers is just plain embarrassing for you. If you cant see the difference then you obviously know nothing about any aspect of film. Avengers is the most fun I've had at the cinema in a long time. Its not Dark, its not gritty, its not high art, what it is is an almost perfect translation of a fun comic book to the big screen. The fact that you can't appreciate that speaks volumes..... Everyone else go watch the film and enjoy it for what it is and for what its was intended to be. We are lucky to get a film like this.

  • And tell me why did Loki show his cunning by getting the Hulk on board? Was it just so he coul bask the ship up a bit? They made it soumd like it was more fundemental. It was ok. The kids loved it. Stupid girl next to me kept jumping out her seat. Dunno why, young people. Tsk Tsk.

  • May 2, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Couldn't say any better, thadius.

    by Jack

    And I don't know about Harry's top ten, but The Avengers got the 1st spot in my favorite movies of all time. When it's all said and done, there'll be a shitload of people feeling just like me.

  • May 2, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Am I a Nolan fanboy

    by isildur29

    If I like Batman Begins & The Dark Knight while looking forward to TDKR while also enjoying the hell out of every Marvel movie so far including loving The Avengers though I don't love it as much as Iron Man? I just need you TBers to clarify if we are allowed to like more than one franchise ever...

  • More than allowed, you should be excited for all these movies. I really disliked the TDKR latest trailer, but I'm still hopeful Nolan will deliver the goods. The Avengers, Amazing Spider-Man, The Dark Knight Rises, Prometheus, The Hobbit... I'm excited as fuck for all of them. And so should be everyone. Nolanites are the trolls that turned this into an idiotic war. What's the big deal if people and the critics love The Avengers? What's the big deal if The Avengers smash box office records?

  • May 2, 2012, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Bored...check out Sacha BC on Aussie TV! http://youtu.be/8mMPqbqmTg8

    by performingmonkey

    General Aladeen FTW!!! The Seacrest gag made me cry!

  • May 2, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST

    "Dark Knight is important to film history" LMAO

    by Monolith_Jones

    And THAT is where the hate for Nolan's Batman comes from. Over zealous, immature fans. The same kind who call for an R rated Batman film and complain that the new Spider-Man is being targeted at teens and tweens. Because as we all know, superheroes are supposed to be for 40 year olds exclusively.

  • May 2, 2012, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Nolan didn't give Harry any PWESENTS

    by centilope

  • May 2, 2012, 11:08 a.m. CST

    fun

    by loonatic

    it was a fun movie ... with some funny lines [sometimes too cutesy with the Whedonisms]. there's not much emotional weight to the whole affair. just cool scenes. the alien invasion felt like any other alien invasion [including the JLU cartoons] hulk was good, though.

  • May 2, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Nolan's Batman films

    by shane peterson

    have been excellent. Excellent. But.....The Avengers has me more excited than TDKR at this point.

  • Can we please stop with the bullshit distinction that somehow Nolan's Batfilms are transcendent arthouse cinema? They're huge Hollywood blockbusters, driven by action and big concepts. Sure, they're smarter than the average bear, and they're clearly made by a damned talented and thoughtful director, but they're still action-adventure blockbusters, regardless of their tone. And you know what? THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. Plenty of great films are huge, escapist Hollywood blockbusters funded and distributed by corporations.

  • May 2, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Always been more of a Batman fan...

    by Dranem

    Especially the new Nolan movies. But OF COURSE I am more excited for the Avengers right now. Why? Because it comes out this week. Next month it will be old news and I will be more excited about Dark Knight Rises, then Prometheus. I'm just happy about the whole summer at this point. For gods sakes, Spiderman would usually be on the top of my list and thats an afterthought at this point.

  • May 2, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Sequel

    by Rob Taylor

    Ok, Let's not get too excited, we're only gonna have time to add one or two new characters realistically unless Marvel gets this "shorts" project up and running. In keeping with the way the "universe is" right now here's who I'd pick... Wonder Man - Get Dwayne Johnson, make the character a wrestler/UFC Figher who uses his powers for his own gain who they have to convince to be a hero... I think The Rock could have some great banter with Iron Man and Fury...and I could imagine a great scene where the character reveals his true powers to the world... Hank Pym - I have a feeling that they are going to pull the Ant Man gig from Edgar Wright, it's taken too damn long... and if Hulk is going to be more sparingly used, then Banner needs someone to rub up against. Casting wise I think Neil Patrick Harris might work, cos he can act like a jackass... Simon Pegg is a possibility, but do we need the same dynamic (he and Renner) in two franchises? Wasp - If they bring Pym in, then they need Wasp... and I think they can't go much better than Zooey Deschanel for it... Kooky, cute, able to throw the zingers out and the kind of vulnerability that could see Pym going bad and hitting her and the fans being outraged.

  • May 2, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Harry calls it right

    by donkey_lasher

    I've said before that he gets overwhelmed too easily, but this was pure geek crack. I'm not sure what a repeated viewing will be like though. It's not one of those films that I'd want to re-watch the next day or week or month. It's too simple.

  • I'm craving to watch it again, but I'll have to wait until saturday since this stupid town doesn't have movie theaters.

  • "EXCLUSIVE: My sources estimate the global juggernaut that is Marvel’s The Avengers from Disney could close in on $160M when it opens in North America this weekend and $425M when it debuts in Russia and China for a possible total near $585M through Sunday. Even very conservative estimates put the worldwide total at $450M through Sunday when Joss Whedon’s actioner will be open in every movie territory except Japan. Yesterday alone The Avengers made $42.3M overseas from 41 territories, bringing the total through Tuesday to $260.5M. Meanwhile, Fandango reports a surge in advance ticket sales for The Avengers which is scooping up 94% of today’s pre-sales. Marvel’s superhero ensemble is currently outpacing last summer’s blockbuster Transformers 3: Dark Of The Moon at the same point in that film’s sales cycle. In an April survey on Fandango, the majority of moviegoers picked The Avengers as the most anticipated film of the summer. Some 66% of fans said they plan to see the pic on the big screen more than once. About 31% chose Iron Man as the film’s biggest draw, followed by The Hulk (23%); Thor (15%), and Captain America (12%). And 52% said Black Widow is the next Avengers character they’d like to see in a solo vehicle, followed by 35% for Hawkeye, and 13% for Nick Fury. Overseas, Thailand & Singapore opened yesterday on their National Labor Day holiday and set not only the highest opening day in industry history, but also the highest grossing single day of all-time. New cumes to date include UK $29.8M, Mexico $27.0M, Australia $22.6M, France $19.7M, Brazil $18.8M." Source: http://www.deadline.com/2012/05/avengers-now-260-5m-overseas-could-reach-585m-worldwide-through-sunday-with-u-s-canada-russia-china-openings/ Avengers SMASH.

  • May 2, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Actually, Nolan's Batman films are very UNrealistic...

    by Detached

    Think about it. Have you ever known of any group of people who act that way? Constantly "serious," etc? (or one could say "overwrought"). When I watched the new trailer, all I thought was "more of the same." Oooh, look- it's dark. It's gritty. It's "real." No it's not. Good grief, even in The Untouchables, about the ridiculously corrupt Chicago of the 20s, people still had some life to them. They didn't mope around all the time. Nolan's Gothan is utterly unrealistic. No human city in that situation would last very long. You just can't take it seriously. And I won't even go into the ridiculous plot holes in the second movie. All that said, I may very well like this movie. I have my disagreements with this style of Batman, but that doesn't mean my mind is closed to the possibility that this one might work for me. And I know lots of people do like Nolan's Batmans. I understand why. But that doesn't mean everyone has to. I don't always agree with Harry, but I completely understood his point.

  • I'm not saying one is better than the other, but I get the feeling I'm gonna walk outta TDKR being a little broody/contemplative, but walking outta Avengers wanting to fly and punch monsters.

  • Make THAT happen.

  • May 2, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST

    HARRY, CAN A GREAT LAKES AVENGERS MOVIE BE THAT FAR AWAY?

    by Joe Plumber

    With Squirrel Girl and Grasshopper!

  • I almost envy the kids, but then I remember that we had it pretty awesome in our day, too.

  • ...the Justice League on film. As cool as the Avengers are, the movie is still missing a number of characters that, to me, "make" the Avengers. There's no Wasp, no Vision, no Scarlet Witch, no Giant Man/Ant Man, etc.</p> <p> Also, the Avengers don't have the same level of recognition as Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Green Lantern, Hawkman, etc. They also don't have years worth of cartoons (i.e. The Justice League, Justice League Unlimited and Young Justice) to back them up. Justice Leage, to me, is the movie to look forward to.</p> <p> That said, I hope THE AVENGERS makes mega-bucks so that someday we might all bow before the glory of KINGDOM COME and SECRET WARS.

  • May 2, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Occupy Ain't It Cool

    by Magnus Greel

    "corporations rarely ever do the right things" Harry is part of the 99%. He's down with the struggle.

  • May 2, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    detached -- I agree somewhat, BUT...

    by Michael Morning

    ...I think you don't understand Batman. While I dislike the fact that Nolan's Batman has to have a team around him to do what he does and he's not the detective of the comics, what they did get right is his psyche.</p> <p> Batman is essentially a shell of a man. He is so obsessed with righting wrongs and capturing bad guys that he's left behind most of his humanity. So if Batman were real, he would be someone you wouldn't want to hang out with. He wouldn't joke, laugh or even smile if the situation didn't specifically call for it. He'd be a real downer; constantly fixated on the task at hand, unable to rest or let down his guard even for a moment. He wouldn't watch TV, he wouldn't go to the movies. He'd sleep, exercise and spend all the rest of his time immersed in research or chasing down the bag guys. And yes, he'd be dour as hell.

  • May 2, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST

    ijacksparrow

    by Brian888

    "616 out of 5 stars" I'm sure only about 20 people or so got that joke, but well done!

  • May 2, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Speaking of "a buffet of crow", where's LisaB aka GenderBlender?

    by Joe Plumber

    She better acquire a taste for crow real quick. Tastes like chicken.

  • May 2, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Confirmed: the US prints have an additional scene right at then end of the credits

    by harryknowlesnothingaboutfilm

    But I will not spoil it here....

  • May 2, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    bugeininpo, a Secret Wars is a done deal now

    by Joe Plumber

    The new formula is More Superheroes = Breaking B.O. Records. That said, Secret Wars would have to be a trilogy, at least. Plus, there's tons of standalone origin stories that have to happen first.

  • May 2, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Haters gonna Hate

    by smorales2412

    Its funny Harry bashes on the Dark Knight trailer because the trailer did more for me than the entire Avengers movie. A drunk Nolan could make a better Avengers movie. Dumbest comment Harry Knowles has ever made.

  • Really, you live in an over-privileged, over-protected era - one which has known no REAL hardships, strife, or war (no, a skirmish like Iraq doesn't quite count). You live in a world where you are served up 200 million dollar productions for the price of a movie ticket. And yet, you sit there, nose in the air, guffawing and patting yourselves on the back for being "superior" enough to be able to look down on perfectly legitimate efforts. It's actually hilarious how you people think your arrogant, over-inflated, self-perpetuating delusions somehow mirror reality. You are not smart. You do not know what a "smart" or "well crafted" movie is. Your average IQ is 100. You ARE average. You ARE the lowest common denominator most films are aimed at. Yet, you don't want to believe it. You CAN'T believe it. Every guy thinks he's some kind of hardass (until he gets his teeth knocked in), just as most people believe themselves to be the EXCEPTION to the rule. They think their opinion is more informed, that they are smarter and so better able to discern a "smart" film. News flash: if they WERE all such prodigal sons of humanity, the average person would be a fuck of a lot smarter. God damn. When will you fucking morons realize that you are just that? Be happy with it. You are nothing special, but you are allowed, by this society we live in, to prosper and survive and sit on your ass while you puff and posture over a fucking movie as if it makes the slightest difference what you think.

  • May 2, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Batman

    by sirens

    After watching the new Batman trailer again, I think we're up for a real action/drama movie here, way more important than The Avengers, where I felt no danger or thread any time watching it. Go Nolan!

  • May 2, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    The trailers

    by Brian888

    I haven't seen Avengers yet, so I can't comment on how it affects the TDKR trailer. However, I can compare the TDKR trailer to the other prominent trailer making the rounds now, the trailer for Prometheus. I have to say, the Prometheus trailer ruins the TDKR trailer's shit. The Prometheus trailer is intense, mysterious, beautiful, frightening, and makes me want to see the film right now. The TDKR trailer looks interesting, but it doesn't give me a burning desire to get my ass in the seat immediately.

  • May 2, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Genderbender is still around? Heh.

    by Jethro Bodine

  • May 2, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Its the villian

    by sirens

    Both Batman films had great villians, real actors. Avengers had Loki again, and some faceless reptillians. Batman is the real hero because he is by himself and will definatly rise above the Avengers. Beside that, Spider Man 2 and the first Iron Man are the best comic book movies made yet.

  • May 2, 2012, 12:41 p.m. CST

    TDKR Avengers and other stuff

    by daveyf

    How about being able two love two things at once you monogamists fucks? You can have 'em both! The cheerleader (Avengers) and the library chick (TDKR)!

  • May 2, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    as far liking them both goes...

    by Detached

    i'd have no problem with that- if i actually liked nolan's batman more. it has nothing to do with the avengers or marvel - i think batman is one of the greatest comic characters ever. i'm just not wild about nolan's vision (not completely down on it either). for that matter, i really thought/hoped green lantern would be great last year. it just turned out that it wasn't. has nothing to with "hating" or something that stupid. it just didn't work. i am looking forward to spidey's return, though. and very interested in man of steel. there's room for all these movies- but that doesn't mean you *have* to "like" every one of them.

  • May 2, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST

    @wcolbert BRAVO!!!

    by Jack

  • May 2, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST

    @brian888 RE: "616 out of 5 stars"

    by Jack

    Haha thanks, mate. Yeah I was wondering if anyone would catch that. Or KRAKKABOOM at least.

  • May 2, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Warner Brothers is looking into killing Anne Hathaway

    by thelordofhell

  • May 2, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Marvel Studios pre-emptively firing Joss Whedon for Avengers 2

    by thelordofhell

  • May 2, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST

    TDKR trailer...

    by Michael Morning

    While I normally like my trailers to bring forth an epic "feel" to the movie in question (especially superhero films, towards which I'm admittedly biased), I thought the more understated TDKR trailer was really terrific. The wide shot of the collapsing bridges, the inuendo tossed around during the snipits (i.e. "You've given everything", "Not yet"), Bane's dialogue...just really smart, understated film making. It was a gamble to play it understated (i.e. more noirish), but I'm hoping it pays off.</p> <p> Regarding PROMETHEUS...while I am tentatively excited about the film, I'm really worried it's going to do a SUNSHINE or EVENT HORIZON and turn into too much of a horror movie. I like intelligent sci-fi. I abhor sci-fi horror because I think it's too cheap and easy...and ALIEN did it perfectly - iconically - so no one else really should bother repeating the same formula of an alien-hunting/eating/killing-people-aboard-a ship/station.

  • At the Premiere of III there was excitement, but not even one standing ovation, The Avengers had several. And in BRAZIL for fucks sake, people don't even have the habit of doing this kind of thing here. The Avengers is THE blockbuster movie. Whedon and Marvel achieved something that wasn't achieved since Star Wars, and maybe they actually have surpassed that. That's the kind of achievement The Avengers is. Soon enough all of you will end up realizing this.

  • May 2, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST

    GREEN LANTERN -- misfire of epic proportions

    by Michael Morning

    GREEN LANTERN was a serious train wreck. The Powers-That-Be just didn't have enough faith in the comic material to let it go cosmic in the way that THOR did. Most of GREEN LANTERN should've been spent on Oa and between Hal and Sinestro. They should've just done Emerald Dawn/Twilight and left it at that. But in typical movie fashion, they had to reinvent inconic material in favor of warmed-over, formulaic crap. I even thought the suit was an inspired choice (which has been duplicated in the comics and even the new Green Lantern cartoon). And Ryan Reynolds was one of the worst casting choices in memory. Why not just make Stifler Hal Jordan? (I mean the character Stifler, not the actor who plays him...who would've probably done a better job).

  • May 2, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST

    List of issues

    by Nick

    1. Why is everything Happenstance? We need David Banner, because it so happens this cube radiates gamma, and he knows it well. I mean, COME ON, and it's never brought up again. 2. Why not DEVELOP the tension Stark feels towards Captian, because of his fathers love for him as a hero. Brought up, and dropped. 3. Thor appears, even though the ending of Thor said he can't get back to earth. Oh, "black magic", or lazy writting. 4. Coulson's death makes the team play nice? Seriously? that's the motivation? 5. There is no threat in this film. at no time do you feel like there is a storm coming. This "army" is not developed or given any motivation besides "they are evil" 6. The Skrull things (I don't even remember their name), at NO TIME, pose ANY THREAT when in battle. They are essentially battle droids. 7. Not to mention, LIVING BREATHING MONSTERS, are controlled by a giant space station, that once it's destroyed, they all die? RIGHT????? 8. Let's nuke the city after 10 minutes of fighting and NOT calling in the actual military. LOL 9. Let's pull from Transformers 3, and use the same plot device to bring in the bad guys. 10. Or is it a Masters of the Universe Rip-Off??? 11. Thor seems to have powers that match his opponents. Iron Man poses a threat, but he can then go toe to toe with the Hulk. Convienent. 12. could ONE interaction feel organic? Iron Man and Capo are arguing, and Thor is making comments for some reason??? 13. Scarlett is a TERRIBLE actress 14. Thor just randomly forgets to break the glass as Coulson is getting killed.... come on!!!! 15. Banner is always angry... or just a convienent way to get him to transform and control the Hulk. Oh wait, he ripped apart the Helicarrier 30 minutes ago... no conrol there!!!! 16. Post credits scene that was LAME. Thanos??? Because 99% of people DON'T have any idea who he is. 17. More Happenstance. The main bad guy, JUST HAPPENS, to be the brother of the guy they want to join but can't get a hold of. Captian America just so happens to be unfrozen during this time. Iron Man just so happens to show up during Loki's attack. The cube, just so happens, to be discovered. Loki just so happens to teliport in when they turn it on. A hit to the head, just so happens, to clear Hawkeyes mind of Loki's influence. 18. The biggest complaint, is EVERYTHING IS FORCED. Hulk and Thor could have handled the threat, easily, by themselves. These Skrull monsters are LAME. You at no time feel like anyone is going to lose, because you have HULK and THOR.

  • Today is WEDNESDAY and there's still sold out screenings going everywhere in Brazil. People love this movie. Trying to spoil it for people won't work because they're clever than keep browsing your bullshit.

  • May 2, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    ijacksparrow -- we'll see what the boxoffice says

    by Michael Morning

    I'm not hating on any of the movies (except maybe THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN)...I hope THE AVENGERS and TDKR both do well so we get more movies of the same from both Marvel & DC.</p> <p> That said, I'm very curious to see the world-wide box office on these two. TDK made over a billion dollars and ran head-to-head with TITANIC and AVATAR for highest grossing domestic film.

  • You leave the Dark Knight THINKING about the film... the plot, the characters... you discuss with people the themes and archs. You leave the Avengers going "oh, that was cool... and that was funny" Nothing wrong with that, but, it is what it is.

  • The projections say that it'll get to half a million by the end of the week. I don't know, homie, but I think we're witnessing the birth of the most grossing movie of all time right here. And The Avengers actually DESERVES to get that.

  • May 2, 2012, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Cabin In The Woods

    by TheJudger

    Yeah i like what it wanted to do, but i was pretty bored with it and by the time the 3rd act kicked in, it fell on it's face. Me and my base are all for avengers and everyone is fucking crazy mad to see it. I was right there with them, but after cabin's fail to win me over. I am not trusting hype. Cabin without the OZ'z would have been really lame and boring. I for one am tired of movies trying to be above or smarter than the material and ism's. Sometimes it just about having a good time, and telling a good story regardless of the stereotypical pratfalls the genre suffers from. Believe me i tired with cabin, and i paid absolute full attention to everything. At the end i just felt like wow what a wonderful concept, but it's too bad it wasn't played better. Yeap that's it.

  • May 2, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    ijacksparrow -- It's got another 2 1/2 billion to go to reach AVATAR

    by Michael Morning

    AVATAR benefited from unbelievable (and undeserved, IMO) hype coupled with novel 3D. Now people are wise to the scam of 3D and are avoiding it like the plague. Only teenagers who've never seen it before are paying the outrageous ticket fees. I don't think THE AVENGERS will reach AVATAR numbers because it won't get the 3D receipts that AVATAR managed. I doubt it will even beat out TITANIC (which is also standing at $2 billion).</p> <p> TDKR benefits from two prior movies, but loses out because some of the sales from TDK were undoubtedly due to the hype surrounding Heath Ledger's performance and subsequent death. THE AVENGERS *should* benefit from the fanbase that's seen the 5 lead-up movies. On paper, THE AVENGERS takes the crown from TDKR, but time will tell!

  • May 2, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST

    I gotta laugh at these idiots attacking Harry...

    by Mistermussel

    ... the serious TBers go to the other reviewers to share their ideas while Hazza gets the pimply teens wanting to try their luck unseating the alpha male. I like to think he watches it all with the wry humor of Leto II.

  • May 2, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST

    ijacksparrow

    by sirens

    Since when is boxoffice quality? Oh yea Transformers. Avenger will be lucky to make 800 mil worldwide, by the way thats what ID4 did back in 1996. And they had much better fx. Eat it.

  • May 2, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST

    natalieportmansyummyafterbirth

    by Jack

    There are loads of stuff to discuss about The Avengers story. But people aren't assholes to openly discuss something here and spoil the fun of others. People aren't like you, I won't log in here and spoil TDKR if I love it or hate it after I see it, because I don't think it's a cool thing to do. I don't want any of this movies to fail. Nolanites are a weird breed of fans and will hate on this movie gratuitously, but hey, look at those box office numbers. Look at the reviews. The World loves The Avengers. You liking this or not.

  • May 2, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    With all the backstory of the previous movies

    by sirens

    they come up with Loki and unknown alien race? Nice job, very creative. Let real disaster come, let women and children die, and make the super heroes suffer..Hell, make a cured Banner radiate himself again for saving humanity..where's the drama? Scripts are so lame these days.

  • May 2, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    So, I can't like "Raiders of the Lost Ark" and "Superman II"?

    by zer0cool2k2

    Because they both came out the same summer, I have to choose one or the other? So, I can't enjoy both DC and Marvel comics, Ice Cream and Frozen yogurt, Steak and Chicken... I really love TDK, and Ledger's Joker. I saw it twice in theaters, bought the Blu-ray when it was released, and watched it again. Since then, though, I rarely feel the need to watch it again. It's dense, and harsh, and not exactly fun. On the other hand, Iron Man (despite dealing with war, nuclear arms, and alcoholism) brings the fun. If it wasn't constantly running on FX or Epix, or wherever, I might be inclined to pop in the disc and watch it for a bit. That doesn't make it a better film than TDK. You can get drunk drinking $200 a bottle scotch, but if you don't appreciate it's characteristics, you might as well get the same buzz on a bottle of Jack. When I saw Burton's Batman back in 89, I was just happy to have a 'serious' take on the character finally make it to the big screen. The Joker was nothing like I wanted him to be, but I still loved that they had gotten as close as they did to a 'real' Batman story. As much as I love the real-world grit of Nolan's version, I still think there is a place for something with a little more fantastical element to it (ala Mask of the Phantasm). To take this Avengers talkback even further down the Batcave, I'd like to point out that I'm quite glad there are multiple takes on Batman in existence. I've turned my 3 year-old granddaughter on to Batman (and Robin & Batgirl), through the 60's TV show, assorted cartoons, and toys, but I'll be damned if I'm going to show her Ledger's 'definitive' movie Joker, or read The Killing Joke with her at this point. (I do find it funny how many Toddler toys feature the likeness of a psychotic murderer). I've got my tickets for Thursday midnight, and again Friday afternoon to See The Avengers, and i fully expect to have a blast with it. and I'll be back again in July to experience the final chapter of Nolan's Batman. As much as I trust Nolan, I'll be a lot more nervous before TDKR, though. I just expect more from it, and if it doesn't live up to the promise made with TDK, It'll be much more of a let down than The Avengers could possibly be.

  • http://cache.io9.com/assets/images/8/2010/03/antman.jpg

  • May 2, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST

    @nolanites

    by Jack

    Box office often doesn't mean quality. People and the critic loving this in other hand, do. And you're aware people are loving this, don't you? That's why you're trying so hard to spam this talkback with hate, trying to create an artificial hate for the movie. The fact is this movie is adored and movie critics seem to love it. Go cry your asses to sleep now. Don't forget to pray for your Nolan God. I still hope that TDKR is good.

  • And hardcore comic book fans and the average joe seem to love that. Now, CRY. Cry some more.

  • May 2, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    sacrifice

    by sirens

    is the key. Son of Coul's death was a nice attempt but theres more to iconic action cinema. Iron Man's ultimate sacrifice wasn't enough. One would think that a country-sized spaceship is able to destroy a little rocket a thousand miles away.

  • May 2, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Harry's Clones of the forget Attack

    by WerePlatypus

    never review.

  • May 2, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Avengers so awesome, can't even snark properly

    by WerePlatypus

  • Though technically it should have been vice versa. If they want Whedon to "godfather" future Marvel flicks, after the cheddar it brought in overseas, would they say no?

  • May 2, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    monolith_jones, how is The Dark Knight not important to film history.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Please be culturally relevant in your reply, thank you.

  • May 2, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Avengers is great, its not that which angers me........

    by david starling

    Its his damning of Batman, for the very sarcastic take upon which has made Batman the essence of a great story then, now, and forever. Sorry Harry, you can publish whatever excuses you like - you're a fake to me.

  • May 2, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Qustion about one scene...

    by Raymond Shaw

    There is a "crowd pleasing" scene which involves Hulk, Loki, and a floor. If you've seen the film you know what I'm talking about. But I know I've seen that scene in some cartoon -- I keep thinking Daffy Duck or Wile E Coyote being beaten up by somebody, but it's probably some other character. Is there any expert on old animation out there who knows the cartoon that scene is taken from?

  • May 2, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Ruffalo

    by James

    Best thing on the screen acting wise even when he wasn't Hulk. 'I put a bullet in my mouth and the Other Guy spit it out' Ha!

  • Also, people seem to remember how shitty Batman movies were when they were colorful and had camp. It works in animated shows and comics sometimes, but Batman in film just works better with the gritty look.

  • May 2, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    @People defending Nolan

    by Frat Boy

    Guys, seriously, you need to chill out a bit. Nolan is an insanely talented filmmaker. One of the best in the world right now. And he's paid a ton of money for it. The only person on the WB lot who gets more respect than Nolan is Clint Eastwood. Does anybody here think he gives a rat's fuck what anyone on any AICN board thinks or says? You guys do not have to spend any time defending him against anyone. His work speaks for itself. I can't wait to give both AVENGERS and TDKR my hard earned money. Along w/ PROMETHEUS, DARK SHADOWS, BOURNE LEGACY, etc. It's gonna be a great summer!

  • May 2, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Avatar also had the benefit of older and female demographics.

    by Jethro Bodine

    It was, quite literally, the big, action-packed sci fi epic for everybody. I can't image The Avengers will pull in too many oldsters.

  • May 2, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Haha how many nolanites were ready to slit their wrists

    by Volllllume3

    Avengers Assemble!

  • May 2, 2012, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Also Avengers continues to EXPLODE overseas.

    by Volllllume3

    Seriously, nobody gives a shit about the Dark Knight Rises over here.

  • All I know is that Superman should have a movie with the same tone The Avengers and the other Marvel Studios movies have, instead of the dire "dark and gritty" bullshit Nolan, Snyder and Goyer will unleash next year.

  • May 2, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    @volllume3 - Dude, it's kinda getting sad

    by Frat Boy

    Just a teensy bit. Just wait until you discover sex with a woman. Seriously, bro. It will change your whole outlook. Stuff that seemed important at one point - like being a dick on a message board - will be replaced with a pursuit of good ol' vagina. Trust me, it's awesome. In terms of something you'll be able to relate to, it's "Avengers Assemble" level cool! Actually better, cuz it's really happening! You'll finally know what regular heterosexual men are all talking about. You'll see. Someday.

  • May 2, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Browncoats vs. Frowncoats

    by STICKY WHITE

    Me? I ain't neither..but there's no way in hell I'd miss either one of these things. This entire argument is as stupid as pitting Nachos Vs. Pizza.

  • May 2, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST

    cagliostro-re: Black Widow's Wrist Bands

    by kbass

    Watched the film last night. She uses the wrist bands...mostly in the final climactic battle.

  • It is not a zero sum game.

  • May 2, 2012, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Collider review, rating A-

    by Jack

    "The Avengers is why we go to the movies.  The film will work fine on a big-screen TV, but it’s the kind of gigantic blockbuster fare that sends us back to every summer we went to the theater and were absolutely wowed.  By crafting a winning combination of wonderful characters, brilliant comedy, and spectacular set pieces, Whedon hasn’t simply created the biggest superhero movie; he’s created one of the best." Source: http://collider.com/the-avengers-review/163538/

  • May 2, 2012, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Screen Rant, 4.5 out of 5

    by Jack

    "Marvel’s The Avengers is not just a film – it’s a cinematic event. The culmination of half a decade of movie-making, five different films introducing us to characters, stories and worlds of Marvel’s shared movie universe – not to mention, the life-long dreams of fanboys and fangirls all over the world, who have been dreaming to see their favorite superheroes onscreen together long before Marvel Studios began making it a reality. Now that the Avengers is here, the question is: Does writer/director Joss Whedon (Serenity) deliver a film that lives up to fans’ massive expectations and functions as a great summer blockbuster for causal moviegoers? Short answer: while not perfect, Avengers delivers the goods on all fronts, and then some." Source: http://screenrant.com/the-avengers-reviews-2012-kofi-168793/

  • May 2, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Fanboys please relax

    by Matthew Morin

    The Avengers will make a ton of money and entertain lots of people, then TDKR will arrive and do the exact same thing. So everybody wins.

  • "If you like “Marvel’s The Avengers” (there’s almost nothing to dislike; it’s as close as a movie can come to the fantastical reality of a good comic book), stick around for the closing credits. By this point, your grandfather knows to stick around for the scrap of preview awaiting the last disclaimers and thank-yous (the scrap is called an Easter egg). “The Avengers” puts the egg before most of the credits — it just feels like the natural end of the movie. Yes, getting the egg out of the way gets you out of the theater sooner (the movie runs about 2½ hours). But it also invites honest appreciation for the hundreds and hundreds of technicians who bring off these extravaganzas – the effects and sound people; the folks who devise and design and build the props and costumes; the men and women who helped make the destruction of midtown Manhattan (by your standard cavalcade of shimmering reptilian evil) a ridiculous pleasure. It’s tempting to envy the civilians watching Robert Downey Jr. (Iron Man) and Scarlett Johansson (Black Widow) flying around the neighborhood from a window of their skyscraper, even after the Incredible Hulk barrels past all the cubicles and through the glass. We have 3-D glasses. They’re actually there. So it’s truly gladdening to listen to actors like Downey, Johansson, Tom Hiddleston (Loki), Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury), Gwyneth Paltrow (Iron Man’s lady-love and lifeline, Pepper Potts), Mark Ruffalo (Dr. David Banner/the Hulk), and Clark Gregg (S.H.I.E.L.D. agent Phil Coulson) speak the banter and asides in Joss Whedon’s script, which is tight and – by the measure of what tends to occur in a Marvel Comics title – perfectly logical. But it’s the craftspeople you want to hug. The reason we keep going to these movies is to experience what I’ve always called the Saturday-afternoon high of taking in a comic book. You don’t read them, per se. You savor them – the succession of bright, handsome frames, the simmering pace of the plot, the ideas. The great comic books made you want to be inside them. The great comic books were better than the movies. They could do what the technician couldn’t. What we’ve seen since Richard Donner’s original “Superman” from 1978 is the steady closing of that gap. “The Avengers” is state-of-the-art, in that sense." Source: http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/articles/2012/05/03/action_packed/ CAUTION: I wouldn't recommend to read past this part of the review until you've got to see the movie because there are spoilers. You've been warned.

  • May 2, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST

    AV Club gave it an A-.

    by Jack

    An excerpt: "Since making an Avengers movie requires lining up so many moving pieces in an orderly row, it’s something of an accomplishment that The Avengers even exists. But beyond that logistical nightmare is the double agenda the film has to serve, advancing the stories of the individual characters as begun in previous films while telling a coherent, self-contained story. Factor in another wave of Marvel movies and an inevitable sequel, and that agenda gets even more complicated. All of which raises the question: Is there room for any movie within this Avengers movie? Decidedly, yes. Written and directed by Buffy The Vampire Slayer creator Joss Whedon, The Avengers is big but graceful, carefully balancing small character moments with action scenes that stretch from the New York pavement to the sky and beyond. The film finds drama in the reluctant cooperation of teammates yoked together by the threat of a common enemy, as well as in the terrifying shadows cast by giant space monsters as they descend from the heavens. Tasked with meeting the many requirements necessary for any Avengers movie to work, Whedon checks off all the boxes, then sets about creating new expectations for what a big superhero movie ought to be." "In other words, The Avengers delivers and then some. Even the weakest of Marvel Studios’ films have felt like competent, well-polished pieces of product. The Avengers is that, yes, but also a heartfelt, exciting, and thematically resonant piece of big-screen mythmaking likely to please superhero geeks and general audiences alike. Though, just as Star Wars helped bring the dreams of science-fiction fans into the world at large in the ’70s, in the years since X-Men, the distinction between fans and general audiences has gotten thinner and thinner. Maybe that’s what happens in a golden age." Source: http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-avengers,73396/

  • I was thinking of Tom being beaten up by Spike the dog for one instance…

  • May 2, 2012, 6:13 p.m. CST

    It's the most glorious day of ijacksparrow's life.

    by Jethro Bodine

    Take a deep breath, champ. You're gonna wear yourself out.

  • May 2, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Who taught Harry English, I wonder?

    by Chris

    I love how it says "Harry typed himself raw" but the review isn't actually long, it just looks that way because Harry added a break for a paragraph in the middle of a thought. It would be like me doing this. And then continuing the thought from the above paragraph. It's not actually a separate thought, but rather just continuing the same idea and creating the illusion that I've just changed topics. But I really haven't, I'm just an idiot who thinks people give a shit about his opinions.

  • May 2, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST

    The Avengers IS fantastic

    by Spring Heel Jack

    I cannot wait for the sequel. Superb film, absolute balls out entertainment.

  • May 2, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST

    @Frat Boy

    by Spring Heel Jack

    Completely agree. We've some fantastic films coming up, looking forward to all those you've mentioned too.

  • May 2, 2012, 6:36 p.m. CST

    @zer0cool2k2

    by Spring Heel Jack

    Again, completely agree with your points there. Love Nolan's Batman, worried about TDKR. Enjoy The Avengers, I absolutely loved it.

  • Because Avengers is just an intelligent as Nolan's stuff (perhaps more) but doesn't take itself so seriously. It's elating, not mock-angsty. It's goofy, not mock-profound. How can anyone who has seen HEAT be impressed by TDK? Unless you just really, really need to have your "substance" delivered by fucking Batman.

  • May 2, 2012, 7:14 p.m. CST

    post-credits scene

    by berserkrl

    If the, um, guy in that scene comes back in a future film, it won't be as cool without the two guys whose storylines are most entwined with his. I'd love to see films with ... those two guys.

  • May 2, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST

    @ijacksparrow @isildur29

    by TheApostle

    ijacksparrow- "But cared enough to come here and shit on the movie, right? Tell me more about how Nolan is the second coming of Jesus Christ." Yeah, I took a minute to leave a unfavorable comment. So what? I don't live on here like some of you losers. I didn't say anything about Nolan or TDK. I'm a huge Whedon fan. I really don't care about Nolan. isildur29- "No great scenes? I can think of 3 involving The Hulk alone. You wanted to hate it if you couldn't even find ONE great scene. Hell I'm sure GHOST RIDER 2 even had ONE great scene." Who the fuck goes to see a movie they want to hate? The Hulk punching Thor is setting the bar really fucking low for a great scene.

  • May 2, 2012, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Why it's a game-changer...

    by workshed

    ...because my 8-year-old daughter came home tonight, and for the first time in about three years didn't speak one word about 'Pokemon' or 'Moshi Monsters'. No. She just went and googled 'Marvel Comics', 'Avengers' 'Black Widow', 'Thor', 'Hulk'. She's not stopped talking about it all night and cannot sleep. Tomorrow she wants to watch 'Captain America' and 'Thor'. Throughout the screening of the movie I kept looking down to see her rapt face, hearing her laughs, seeing her peril at the first appearance of, and then utter love for, Hulk. It reminded me of myself watching Star Wars when I was eight. I felt a big lump in my throat and tears welling up at the notion that Josh Whedon has, in one fell swoop, created the next generation of devotees to the same beloved characters who so stirred my imagination all those years ago. Marvel should cherish this man because he just saved the comic book movie from the adult-orientated 'serious' comic book world we've had to endure for so long. Let's get TDKR over with and put some fun back into the Bat. Harry's 100% right on this one. I reckon this will be the biggest grossing movie of the year, if not the decade. I feel so sorry for Peter Jackson, Chris Nolan. However, Ridley looks like he has his mojo back from the trailer I saw. Oh, why is it a 'game-changer'..? Simply because it's the first 3D movie where I didn't get a fucking huge headache and after viewing AA I finally feel like the format has a real future in the hands of people like JW/RS. I've never seen the cinema foyer so full to the brim.

  • Can't wait to see it.

  • May 2, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Even better experience the 2nd time

    by Klaatu

    The Avengers has passed with an A+ my repeat viewing test.

  • May 2, 2012, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Way Overstating Things Here

    by ChiTownsBest

    I saw The Avengers at a screening and it was excellent. Was it the best superhero movie I've ever seen? No. Was it the best action movie I've ever seen? No. There are people on this board calling it the best movie they've ever seen. Really? While I loved it, it did not have the impact Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, or even the first Superman had on me. It's definitely one of the top superhero movies ever made, but I think people need to put some distance between themselves and the movie before making those kinds of judgments. There were small issues that made no sense, but luckily they were small and I looked passed them and enjoyed myself. Do we ever get a real reasoning for how Thor came back to earth? Why did the Hulk start following orders? Since when would Iron Man be able to go toe to toe with Thor? Since Black Widow and Hawkeye are human how exactly are they able to fight aliens in hand to hand combat? There are many other questions left unanswered but it's still a very good movie. All of this talk reminds me of when Independence Day was released and got universal praise. In retrospect it wasn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, just an enjoyable evening at the movies.

  • is a silly thing. They both may be superheroes based on long running comic book series, but inspect them closer and you'll see that... Batman is a mortal human being whose only superpowers are his ninja skills, wit, detective solving, and some cool gadgets and vehicles that he gets from Wayne Enterprises. He fights villains like The Joker (an anarchist clown), Riddler (a guy who uses riddles to fuck with people's heads), Catwoman (a master thief), and then finally Ras Al Ghul and Bane (who are really the only two Batman villains that have supernatural or sci-fi powers to them). The Avengers battle beings from other dimensions/worlds lead by Loki. The Avengers as a superhero team consist of Hulk (a dude who mutates into a green super-strong giant), Captain America (a guy who got zapped with cool superpower rays and went from zero to hero), Iron Man (who is kept alive by a mini-reactor in his chest, and flies around in a supersonic suit of power armor that would make Robert Heinlein's Mobile Infantry cream their pants), and Thor (A Norse God! A Norse god from another dimension where other Norse gods come from!). Oh, and doesn't Nick Fury have some giant flying aircraft carrier of the sky? Comparing the two and saying one is crap because one is it darker and more serious is like saying Game of Thrones is shit because it isn't the same as The Lord of the Rings. It is like saying The Terminator is crap because it isn't Star Trek. Blade Runner is too dark man, I prefer The Jetsons. Sci-fi, horror, fantasy, superheroes, etc... are just genres that can have a multitude of different stories with various tones, themes, and styles. I pity the fools who can only enjoy one type of flavor all of the time. And I'm not even all that jazzed up for The Avengers or The Dark Knight Rises. Prometheus, The Hobbit, Expendables 2, Gravity, and Skyfall are higher on my list of big Hollywood films that I want to see in 2012. I'm still going to see both The Avengers and TDKR though, as they both look entertaining and I'm also curious to see how Nolan ends his Batman trilogy. Then next year we have some pretty cool sounding big movies to look forward to with Pacific Rim, Elysium, 47 Ronin, Oblivion, Iron Man 3, Star Trek reboot #2, Fast Six, Man of Steel, World War Z, Ender's Game, Thor II, The Hobbit part II, and Shymalongadingdong's sci-fi film After Earth. Not to mention we'll also be getting season three of Game of Thrones. I guess some of you will have to skip a lot of those though. Besides Fast Six, The Hobbit part II, Man of Steel, Iron Man 3, Thor II, and Star Trek reboot #2, the others might just be too dark and not candy-colored enough.

  • and have a chance of both being good flicks is not something to piss and moan about. It could be much worse... flashback to summer of 2008. Sure we got The Dark Knight, but we also had to endure Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull(fuck). If I had to guess this summer's crystal skullfuck, I'd say it might be that Abe Lincoln Vampire Hunter flick, or Dark Shadows.

  • Anyone saying The Avengers, is just as smart as The Dark Knight, is a fucking fool. Wake the fuck up, the movie was decent, but it wasn't a game changer... not at all smart... and relied of juvenile elements to be funny.

  • What would a Joss Whedon version of Inception be like? Nathan Fillion as Dom Cobb? Jewel Staite in the Ellen Page role? Sarah Michelle Gellar as Mal, the dead wife projection inside Cobb's mind?

  • May 2, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Best Marvelverse film is still Punisher: War Zone

    by voxmortis

    That is all.

  • May 3, 2012, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Just saw it in 3D

    by Bedhead7

    Man what a rush this movie is. A complete fucking pump up. Take the pump-ups from Iron Man 1 and quadruple that. Fun and funny as hell. Best set design and visual effects in a super hero movie period. A true living comic book. Great chemestry between characters. Mind bending shit overall. Does it all make sense? Nope. Do the comics make sense? Nope. Fuck it. I don't need the live action Robotech movie anymore, Avengers took what I had imagined that film would be like and exceeded that expectation. Jaw dropping. Great 3D conversion except for the usual motion blur problems. 3D IMAX this movie into your face!

  • He's a fan of populist cinema (hence his BOND obsession and has even praised BAY before). The weirdos critcising AVENGERS aren't even proper film fans. I'm a massive lover of NOLAN's work but I would never dream of praising it to the exclusion of anything else - that's frankly bizarre.

  • May 3, 2012, 2:20 a.m. CST

    @natalieportmansyummyafterbirth <<<<he is right!

    by DeineHinokischeSigile

    main difference between The Dark Knight, and the Avengers You leave the Dark Knight THINKING about the film... the plot, the characters... you discuss with people the themes and archs. You leave the Avengers going "oh, that was cool... and that was funny"

  • May 3, 2012, 2:27 a.m. CST

    the joker wouldnt cry, lexx luthor, doc oc. you can count them all!

    by DeineHinokischeSigile

  • May 3, 2012, 2:33 a.m. CST

    harry also loved cap america til death and it was the weakest avengers movie!

    by DeineHinokischeSigile

  • May 3, 2012, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Lol case in point melonman. Textbook example.

    by dahveed1972

  • May 3, 2012, 4:53 a.m. CST

    I enjoyed Avengers more than TDK. Sue me.

    by havehope

    I actually like to be RIVETED and be ENGAGED when i watch a film. I don't like to have monologues and speeches shoved down my throat. People are just biased against Nolan and going with this notion that he is the saviour of superhero movies...which he ain't

  • We've heard how he looks and sounds in tdk and tdkr. Begins was the only film where he was scary and looked like he could beat you up. That sort of faded away...

  • Really?

  • May 3, 2012, 5:13 a.m. CST

    Loved (almost) every minute of it, but...

    by Killfinger

    ...when do we get to see the ultimate Marvel flick! When will someone do what Joss did with Avengers to MARVEL ZOMBIES! Now that would be something!

  • A good Batman movie would be like Se7en with Batman in the Brad Pitt role. Maybe change the ending a bit :)

  • May 3, 2012, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Agent Coulson sums up the film in one line:

    by Fortunesfool

    When Steve Rogers complains that his outfit might be a 'bit too old fashioned', Coulson replies with something along the lines of: 'With such dark times ahead we may all need a little 'old fashioned'. Which sums up the whole approach to the movie nicely. Everything is getting too dark and miserable (even Spider-man), lets lighten up and have a bit of fun again.

  • May 3, 2012, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Backlash...

    by Blanket-Man

    Yeah, yeah, when so many people rave about ANYTHING, inevitably it becomes cool to trash it a bit. But nothing's going to kill my buzz over this flick. I'm seeing it two more times today, and can't wait! I can only recall a handful of times that I got chills watching a movie: Jurassic Park's dino-reveal, the final "I'm Spider-Man" swing in the first flick, and the Hulk/Loki "battle" come to mind. Thanks, Joss! To quote a hero from one of those movies: "You crazy son of a bitch - you did it!"

  • May 3, 2012, 6:50 a.m. CST

    What a bunch of fucktards you are.

    by DocPazuzu

    Man, you Whedon-haters are pathetic in your desperation. It must be literally eating you alive to realize that Whedon made a great, great comic book movie. What's it like going through life rabidly championing what in the greater scheme of things are nothing but ephemeral matters in an asinine zero sum game? ' ' Oooh, MY superhero movie is better than YOUR superhero movie! ' ' Nolan makes great, gritty, noirish films starring characters out of comic books. Whedon just made a great comic book movie. Why does this simple distinction give you so much diaper rash? Is it all the hate fu you invested in talkback before the film opened? Does being proven wrong in your premature crowing carry with it so much humilation that you have to pretend that The Avengers is anything less than a smashing success in order to salvage a modicum of web cred? You sad, hateful, myopic little fucks.

  • May 3, 2012, 7:51 a.m. CST

    New York Daily News, 5 out of 5 stars.

    by Jack

    "If superhero movies now shoulder the responsibility of being our era’s moral parables, then “The Avengers” is a rocket-powered boost to the tops of mounts Olympus, Rushmore and Sinai. Or, in less highfalutin words: Folks, these flicks don’t get any better than this. Directed by Joss Whedon and tying together the “Iron Man,” “Incredible Hulk,” “Thor” and “Captain America” movies, this mega-entertaining “Avengers” film is something comic fans have dreamed of since Marvel debuted the title almost 50 years ago." Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/movie-review-avengers-article-1.1068803#ixzz1toJ3xgyo

  • May 3, 2012, 8 a.m. CST

    Engel is either retarded, or six years old...and retarded

    by boosebaster

    Can't figure out which. "jeremy renner another hollywood robot who was in joss tv angel!" Is this even English?

  • May 3, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST

    @lv_426

    by berserkrl

    Ease up on the hate speech. The Joker is not an anarchist. Unless I missed the bit where he favours a peaceful, voluntary, non-hierarchical social order.

  • May 3, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST

    @engel

    by TheMachinist

    Did you just bang your head on the keyboard in the hopes of it forming a proper sentence? On another note, the reason Whedon's casting choices (In particular Nathan Fillion),don't get into more movies is because he doesn't tailor it to the masses, doesn't make his movies for blithering morons like yourself.Sure, Avengers was a little explosiony. They're fucking superheros, dammit! They're supposed to be SUPER.

  • May 3, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    @docpazuzu

    by Spring Heel Jack

    The bile being spewed by some people, is frankly incredible isn't it. I just do not understand why people have to be in to one director at all. I loved The Avengers, I'm looking forward to seeing TDKR. I like Nolan's films, but the Dark Knight was good, but was flawed in places for me. It isn't the greatest film ever made. I've probably watched it twice since I saw it and I own it. That says it all for me I say this as a Batman fan and a comic fan in general. The Avengers for me was super, great fun and done really well, with a surprisingly good amount of humour throughout. Whedon should be congratulated.

  • May 3, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    CAN.NOT.FUCKING.WAIT!

    by DoctorWho?

    Haven't been this jacked since FOTR.<p> And Docpaz nailed it of course.

  • May 3, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Engel

    by Spring Heel Jack

    that's simply not true. Over here in the UK, super hero films don't do well. The Avengers has kicked arse and people are going back to see a second and third time. That's unheard of for a film with no real "alleged market" That's different gravy right there. And if you think Anne Hathaway is the best actress in Hollywood, don't go see Prometheus, because there's two better ones in that film alone.

  • May 3, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    I see Harry already has his TDKR review written...

    by FlyingToupee

    Prepare for the fanboy backlash.

  • May 3, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    As for The Avengers being like Transformers

    by Spring Heel Jack

    I detest Michael Bay films, the longest I've tried to watch Transformers before turning it off was 26 minutes. He encapsulates everything wrong with that type of film for me. It's all special effects and no substance. Have no interest in seeing any more of them at all. Nothing like The Avengers at all.

  • May 3, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST

    hanyoyo, you ask the impossible.

    by DoctorWho?

    At least for me. I won't dare read spoilers... but the clips...? You might as well be asking man dying of thirst not to take a tall cool drink of water.<p> I commend your Herculean resolve. I am shamed.

  • May 3, 2012, 5:41 p.m. CST

    "Dark" does not equal "smart" you fuckheads...

    by Krinkle

    It also doesn't equal "adult"- TDK is infinitely more juvenile than AVENGERS, simply because it asks us to take it as a serious philosophical investigation of big-city crime and punishment. That is a juvenile pursuit. AVENGERS, while BASED on sillier material, in fact seems far more sophisticated because of its light touch and its humor.

  • May 3, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST

    ijacksparrow HAS to be a Marvel plant

    by chien_sale

    I've never read someone so stupid. liking or hating Avengers has zero connection with Batman or Chris Nolan

  • May 3, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST

    stereotypical evil archer -Cant prove a negative

    by Monolith_Jones

  • May 3, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST

    stereotypical evil archer -continued.

    by Monolith_Jones

    Good movie, maybe great, but what did it do to change the way films are made and/or seen? 2001 is important, so is Star Wars. Trip To the Moon, Nosferatu, Pulp fiction are or can be seen as important.

  • May 4, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST

    THIS IS THE YEAR!

    by patrick

    This is the year for awsome movies that are or have already came out. minus cabin in the woods this years line ups going to be awsome im excited for the summer. this is also the year for super heros and/or super hero movies.

  • May 4, 2012, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Where to begin?

    by daveyf

    Some of you say that Nolan's batman isn't realistic as a counterargument. I mean, I can roll with that. But it's a documentary next to the Avengers. Why does Thor speaks fluent English? (that's just a small reality gripe). I'll see both movies and enjoy them. I'm amused at reading some people shit on TDK. I mean, I know that Nolanites are worried about their box-office dominance and will try to temper the mass hysteria. But the shit that's being said about TDK and TDKR (which hasn't been released is fucking hilarious!) But it's the curse of popularity. I quite liked Iron Man. Loathed Iron Man 2 (it's not a movie!). I enjoyed the hell of Thor. I thought that Captain America was a downer but a strong effort nonetheless. Batman Begins I just plain love but to me, the magum opus of modern comic-book movies is TDK. I'll see Avengers tommorow in 2D and hope to enjoy it!! It's probably a great movie.

  • May 4, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Finally Done Right

    by Kid Alvis

    This review is spot on, especially about the direction of the marvel universe. Yes the comic geek in me wanted Daredevil & Spiderman and even the punisher lending a hand in their areas, but that's nit picky. Really Really very cool

  • May 4, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Right, Harry...what the film needs is MORE Marvel characters.

    by PorkChopXpress

    Come on. This is what makes me realize why it's good that Harry is not making any of these movies. Spider-Man and Luke Cage would have no business being in this movie and it would be completely stupid if they were.

  • May 4, 2012, 6:02 p.m. CST

    "Our wet dream will splash all over the world"?

    by Kremzeek

    Absolutely disgusting. I quit reading right there. Bunch of 9 year olds writing reviews. Pathetic.

  • May 4, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Baked

    by Baked

    The Dark Knight was bouyed by capable casting and an excellent sociopathic portrayal by Heath Ledger. But the movie was leaden. That said, no one can say it was anything but "good" and "well-directed." On the other hand, The Avengers is the shit. Discussion over. Even the post-credits sequence captured what the Avengers are all about. They're people who put on costumes and fight evil, but they're PEOPLE. And if Ruffalo is on for six pictures, do we get Bruce Banner in Iron Man 3?

  • May 4, 2012, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Thank you ijacksparrow

    by Soulpt

    I could not agree more!

  • more than capable actor...would be amazing

  • May 4, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST

    I liked it.

    by Triple_J_72

    I could elaborate, but I think it's all been said.

  • May 5, 2012, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Harry ,you say you understand that Baman is dark

    by Relentless85

    But say that it can be many things. Wouldn't you rather an icon be the very best in its intended state as it is in the Nolan films? I mean sure we could have Adam McKay directing Danny McBride in Batman the Bikini Bandit and it'd maybe be funny, but no one should want that. Batman is a dark, brooding haunted hero. He's more Philip Marlow and Sam Spade than Bud Abbott or Jerry Lewis just like Superman is an effeminate "Oh Gee golly" Tebowesque douche bag in tights. The characters need to stay true to their roots. It's why we love them.

  • May 5, 2012, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Saw the film Wednesday night

    by Bedhead7

    And I never workout but every night since I do pushups now. Im still pumped up. Seeing it again Sunday night with wife. I'm 35 and I've never felt this good after a movie for 15 years. Still going strong 3 days later.

  • May 5, 2012, 3:28 a.m. CST

    I'm in a montage

    by Bedhead7

    Its true

  • May 5, 2012, 4:57 a.m. CST

    As someone who loves the Nolan films

    by clupula

    I also thought this was probably the best superhero movie I've ever seen. The Nolan films aren't superhero movies. They're dramas and that's what works about them. I don't want someone going the other route with them. And frankly, they have nothing to do with this film. It really does come off as Nolan didn't give you enough swag, so you're going to talk shit. Back to the subject at hand, this was wonderful, and as a long time Buffy/Angel fan, I hope this movie does well enough that Whedon can pretty much write his own checks from now on. As for a new Avengers movie every two years?!? Gee, that wouldn't kill the franchise, would it? An Avengers movie has to be an event. Keep shitting them out year after year and they will just be another superhero film.

  • Of course reviewing a week later as he said might make a difference. Saw it last night and my brain, dick and balls exploded. I was beside myself most of the movie. This is the super hero movie I've always wanted, but it is even more. So much more than I could imagine it would be. This will have all creators of non-Marvel comic book movies currently in production shitting themselves, scrambling to replicate The Avengers formula and...FAILING. Zack Snyder I'm talking to you. One word. KNEEL! Oh and Hulk...just WOW!

  • May 5, 2012, 8:17 a.m. CST

    This is what Xmen

    by SwedishChef

    should have been. Weadon unapologetically embraces the apparent absurdity of the material without insulting it. Singer thought that putting the Xmen in their costumes would look stupid therefore he chose leather costumes. They toned down the powers of all the Xmen and changes their stories, and placed them in fucked up timelines. All those decisions resulted in a watered down version of the Xmen. Yes, even First Class is a watered down version of the Xmen universe. After watching Avengers, I challenge anyone to go back and watch that movie and not help but feel disappointed. I can only hope that studios view the Avengers as a template of how to do this genre correctly. If your embarrassed of the material, then you should not being taking it on.

  • May 5, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Harry..why do you hate corporations?

    by brokemart

    Harry says..."At the same time, I realize that corporations rarely ever do the right things, especially if they like to present the image of being family & community friendly." Do you even know what you're saying!?! Corporations like Marvel and Paramount employ thousands of people who volunteer, give to charities and pay taxes that support their communities. Millions of people benefit from the efforts of corporations and you're making this statement because they don't make Jack Kirby a household name!?! WTF is wrong with you!?! You think the only thing Marvel and Paramount cares about is bringing your wet dreams to the screen!?!?!? Do you ever think anything through? Stop making stupid ass statements and think about shit a little bit. Spend some time looking into what corporations do for their communities and then compare that to what say, the Occupiers do for their community. You are such an idiot...

  • May 5, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Iron Man was channeling some Superman movie moments.

    by Triple_J_72

    When Iron Man caught up to the missile, grabbed it, and redirected it... Chris Reeve, 1978. When the missile went off and Iron Man was falling, then passed out... Brandon Routh, 2006.

  • May 5, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST

    "....but also UB IWERKS and his contribution to the world that Walt Disney made his."

    by TheyPeedOnYourFuckingRug

    Harry puts his foot in his mouth not only over Batman, but also Mickey Mouse. Walt Disney was not Pat Sullivan, coasting off the creation of an anonymous, exploited underling. He and Ub Iwerks devised Mickey Mouse together, in the legendary "what-the-fuck-are-we-gonna-do" studio conference following Walt's loss of Oswald and most of his staff. Iwerks gave Mickey form, according to Disney's directives and final approval. It was Walt Disney who scripted and directed all of Mickey's early cartoons, including the formative PLANE CRAZY, GALLOPIN' GAUCHO, and STEAMBOAT WILLIE. It was Disney who pounded the pavement throughout New York and L.A. to find distribution for those cartoons. It was Disney who hit on the idea of making Mickey with synchronized sound, without which the character would probably be only a footnote to film history. Mickey was very much Walt Disney's "contribution to the world", and only the first of many. Iwerks single-handedly animated those early cartoons. He was the best, and fastest animator in the industry. For this Disney not only made Iwerks the best-paid animator in the industry, but also gave him prominent screen credit in the title cards of every Mickey and Silly Symphony cartoon released -- Ub's name appeared as large as his boss' own. Iwerks even received a 20% ownership stake in the Disney studio, which, had he stayed with Disney, would today be worth an unimaginable amount of money. But Iwerks didn't stay; he struck out on his own a little more than a year after Mickey Mouse hit big. And while Iwerks flailed with a string of unsuccessful characters at his own studio, Disney continued not only to shape and build Mickey Mouse, but to produce a string of successful characters and films that proved Mickey wasn't a fluke and that his success, contrary to what some suspected, wasn't dependent on Iwerks. Ub Iwerks was a genius. Walt Disney was an even greater one. And despite what Harry suggests, the Disney Company has been as generous toward Ub in recent years as it was to him when he was alive, with the publication of his granddaughter's (error-riddled) biography "The Hand Behind the Mouse", distribution of an accompanying documentary, and frequent acknowledgment of his contribution to the history of the Disney studio in all manner of promotional materials. The latter-day effort among some to elevate Iwerks at the expense of Disney is a totally misdirected expression of the "creators' rights" movement -- industry people back in 1930 believed Iwerks was the true brains of the operation; they were proven wrong then and Harry's totally wrong now.

  • May 5, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST

    It's very good overall, but not great

    by Phil Black

    I've no idea what version Harry watched but it must have been one with tons of additional footage.... It does not help that the trailers spoil several moments which really are great but also the start and middle were pretty plodding. Only the final scenes matched up to my expectations after reading so much ridiculous hype (and seeing those trailers). The Hulk's line is wonderful, but poorly delivered and 2 of the people who saw the film with me did not even catch it as a result. There's also a lot of exposition completely missing: why was the Hulk a self-confessed untamed monster who actually tries to kill Black Widow but the NEXT time he "comes out" he's transformed into an entirely willing ally? Not just willing but intelligent enough to follow "orders" and constantly put himself in the right place at the right time ... There's nothing close to a hint as to why. Harry making comments about Batman is just uncalled for and irrelevant - there's no comparison other than that they are "Superhero films". I still expect good things from TDKR.

  • May 5, 2012, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Great film!

    by MainMan2001

    I saw it in 3D and it was amazing. Really great movie but Batman is king and when they showed the trailer in the theaters you could literally hear a pin drop. it was as if everyone was holding their breath.

  • May 6, 2012, 2:08 a.m. CST

    I think people will end up loving both Avengers and DK Rises

    by chien_sale

  • May 6, 2012, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Too much to say but I'll try to be brief....

    by Jeremy Bentham

    (emphasis on try)..... First, its best to take anything Harry says with a grain of salt. Last year he gave a glowing review to Captain America yet not on his year end list. He frequently gives shitty movies good reviews for no real reason (GI Joe, Ghost Rider 2, Transfr bmers 3, Tron Legacy) but suddenly has something against No hilan's Batman despite having The Dark Knight as his #2 on his best of 2008. Second, I hate the ground ur wheelchair rolls on, Harry. There is no reason to shurit on TDKR just because ur in luv with this film. Especially give your track record..... Third, I happen to luv The Avengers and think its 1 of the years best AND Im a Nolan fanboy. All the in fighting about one being better than the other is meaningless because opinions are like assholes, everyone got one Also, @ ijacksparow. You are guilty of every bit the over defense of ones favorite movie series that u say the "Nolanites" are guilty of. Seriously, if u think ur film is that good, let it speak for itself. As for me, I will be enjoying a summer that I see Spider-Man, a Joss Wheadon Avengers and Nolan's final Batman...... So much for brief....

  • May 6, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Puny God...

    by Skankardly

  • By far the most satisfying Superhero movie I have ever seen in my 30 + years of life. This film towers over every other Superhero film ever made. Yeah, it's that damn good. (This is coming for someone who didn't fully enjoy Cabin In The Woods. All you doubters, don't haste)

  • Believe the hype people, when it first starts you think ok these people are over-hyping it. But once Cap takes on Loki in Germany OMG believe the HYPE!!!!!!! This movie is freaking EPIC, and the post credits scene with THANOS! Sent my head into overload can you image the throw down with THANOS!!!!! I can't wait for Avengers 2

  • May 6, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST

    ENOUGH with the nerd on nerd crime!!!!

    by Skankardly

    Why would anyone complain about too many GOOD superhero movies? I like Marvel. I like DC. I like Dark Horse. I like Image. I like 'em all if it's got a good story. These movies are being made because people with imagination and creative ideas are getting the chance. Guys like us who are geeks and nerds who are too talented to be denied by the Hollywood shit machine. People who now have enough clout to get these projects green lit and deliver us fantastic movies. J.J. Abrams, Joss Whedon, Christopher Nolan, Peter Jackson, the older fellas who keep bringing their A games and doing movies on their own terms like James Cameron and Ridley Scott. Be happy with what you have because Tinsel Town loves mindless drivel and the people that watch it and would be more than happy to churn out 5 Adam Sandler defecations a year. I'm out, PEACE!

  • May 6, 2012, 2:38 p.m. CST

    "I'm always angry"

    by Skankardly

  • and when he pops Thor is up there too!

  • I like Nolan's Batman films, and will see TDKR in the theater, but some of you are insane with your unquestioning love for Nolan and his films. They have been pretty good, but not great IMO. They were 100 times better than Batman and Robin, but they have had many flaws, and don't hold up to repeated viewings that well. The Avengers, on the other hand, kicked unholy ass! My wife even came out loving it. Add the fact that Batman's Clint Eastwood voice rips me right out of the film every time he talks, and Mini Bane, and I am just not excited about TDKR. Maybe I'll just go see the Avengers again. Joss Whedon haters are eating crow tonight! He pulled it off!

  • May 6, 2012, 10:06 p.m. CST

    I agree with Harry

    by TheDiscoPlumber

    I thought the same thing when i saw the Dark Knight trailer. Nolan's Batman is too realistic. No Batmobile (that's not THE Batmobile), no Batcave, Bane is normal size, Catwoman has no costume... Give me the world of Batman Arkham City in movie form and I'd be a happy Batfan.

  • May 7, 2012, 7:58 a.m. CST

    @orionsangels that was fücking awesome!

    by Skankardly

  • May 7, 2012, 8:16 a.m. CST

    But the "A" on his headgear isn't in 50pt Helvetica!!!!

    by Shankapotomus

    Remember that all you Lizard/Lab Coat fan geeks

  • May 7, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Twas a good film, yes...but...

    by REMcycle

    ...but doesn't deserve NEARLY what it's getting here...reminds me of all the love that shit film "Watchmen" got. Let's call this what it was, shall we? It wasn't "The Avengers", it was "Iron Man 2.5: Stark meets Banner and throws in a bunch of useless characters for good measure". Seriously, I did enjoy it, but could've easily done without Cap, Thor, Widow (also known as the plot glue) or even Nick Fury...and the subplot about SHIELD's plans for the Tesseract? WEAK. I think history will find in this a film that was a good effort, but full of holes and opportunities to make something GREAT.

  • May 7, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Why Banner could control the Hulk

    by Hipshot

    His secret, the thing that he doesn't want people knowing is that he can turn into the Hulk whenever he wants : he's always angry. And when he does it voluntarily, he is in control--a bit. Enough. But whence LOSES control of his emotions as he did on the helicarrier, he can NOT exert any control over "the other guy" so he is very,very careful with his emotions. Really very smart. Loved the movie.

  • May 7, 2012, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Can't believe so many people like this crap.

    by PRESIDENT BALTAR

    Marvel Studios unveils its costliest special-effects demo to date. Somewhere beneath the nonstop digital explosions lies a very shallow story. Only Mark Ruffalo and Robert Downey Jr bring any personality to the place-holder dialogue. Overlong, monotonous, violent, and simple-minded.

  • May 7, 2012, 8:22 p.m. CST

    studio execs pull tje reims..

    by GLENN_THE_TOOL

  • May 7, 2012, 8:23 p.m. CST

    crap, stupid new phonw

    by GLENN_THE_TOOL

  • May 7, 2012, 8:35 p.m. CST

    film execs pull the reins...

    by GLENN_THE_TOOL

    ...because once a film makes a ton of cash, they realize they have to share more of it. They want the biggest possible cut for themselves while minimizing cost, which often means cutting the creative people who now use the film's success as leverage for a bigger check.

  • May 8, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Do not wait for DVD/Blu Ray

    by Bent

    See this now as it was meant to be. In the biggest and best theater you can find. Don't cheap out. This is akin to Avatar, wherein I can't imagine watching it in a home theater or small screen. It just won't do the Avengers justice. A buddy and I saw the Avengers in Bellevue at the Lincoln Square Cinemas in Washington opening night. It was an Imax Theater and in 3d. The screen was ginormous and curved at each corner as to bounce the light back at everyone in the theater. No concerns over brightness. The film, of course, was astounding. There's a couple of time the 3d caused a blur effect on characters that pulled me out of the immersion but this is a minor complaint in the scheme of things. Find the biggest, bestest, baddest damn theater and see this now! We all know how long a movie lasts in the theaters. Me, I'm seeing it again. Thinking of the Cinerama next!

  • May 8, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST

    "placeholder dialogue"???

    by Kremzeek

    Smartest dialogue in any of the Marvel movies yet - exactly what I'd expect from Whedon. You people are nuts.

  • May 8, 2012, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one who like the Capt America film?

    by Kremzeek

    I see so many comments about how it's the weakest of the Marvel films so far. I just don't get that. To me, it was the BEST of the solo films, followed closely by Iron Man. It had all the heart and soul of Donner's Superman - which is the thing I loved most about it. Now, as a standalone film, I'll admit - the cliffhanger ending makes it so it can't really stand on it's own as a story. So, that's a weak spot, but with the Avengers pretty much being a Capt sequel, it's fine. Absolutey adored the Capt America movie. I'm kinda bummed that I'm in the minority, apparently.

  • May 8, 2012, 5:04 p.m. CST

    *liked*

    by Kremzeek

  • May 8, 2012, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Just saw, loved every minute of it. Awesome movie

    by Yamato

    Oh, and kremzeek, I loved Captain America, mind you I loved Thor, Iron Man and the Incredible Hulk. (IM 2 was ok, decent, but no where near as good as the other Marvel movies.

  • May 8, 2012, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Don't be angry

    by WoodyStiffer

    It's okay, don't cry for Christopher Nolan...

  • May 8, 2012, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Avengers is fantastic

    by WoodyStiffer

    Ironman, Hulk, Ironman 2, Captain America, Thor and now... The Avengers. All that I can say is that it's been a pleasure to be a comic book fan for the past few years!

  • May 8, 2012, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Skankardly

    by WoodyStiffer

    I couldn't agree more! The Hulk thrashing of Loki was UNBELIEVABLY well timed! It was perfect and was exactly what makes so many of us Hulk fans!

  • May 11, 2012, 4:47 a.m. CST

    Kremzeek

    by MegaBeth

    I loved Captain America. I think the character of Cap is hard to embrace by the typical liberal American hating fanboy. So Cap get's less love than the hard drinking playboy Tony Stark.

  • May 13, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Whats with the War of the comics

    by Dave Davies

    I loved this film, I waited for it for a long time, and It delivered 100% I am also greatly looking forward to TDKR This film looks amazing, i love TDK and I am hoping Nolan hits the Perfect Trilogy, and as DC are already planning a rebooy, we can all assume they are going to fuck it up! So that makes me hope and pray that TDKR lives up to the hype that being said I dont see why it has to be a war, either Avengers or TDKR And I very much doubt Nolan is shitting himself due to the amazing opening of the Avengers....I mean Hello, did anyone see TDK??? if its half as good as that film then I think Nolan is safe AVENGERS = AWSOME (cant wait for more next year from Marvel) THE DARK KNIGHT SAGA = AWSOME (am sad that this will be the last, but hoping they go out in epic style) :D

  • May 13, 2012, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Disney comments

    by krylite

    “It's a fantastic movie and an extraordinary franchise that will continue with more great stories and compelling characters for years to come,” Robert Iger, Disney's Chairman and CEO, said in a statement released Sunday morning." Uhoh, does this mean budget cuts, and committee demographics targeting for the sequels? i.e. Schulmacker like scripts, no more Whedon directing, etc.? Anyways, Fox better getter their act together for more "great" X-men "stories and compelling characters for years to come".

  • May 13, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Finally saw it...

    by richievanderlow

    I was pretty underwhelmed. Good, but not great. Sam Jackson is nothing more than a distraction in any role he plays these days. He's himself in every role. If you're not Quentin Tarantino, then you probably shouldn't cast him in your movie. The set up at the front of the movie took entirely too long. The action was fantastic, once it finally got going. Lots of potential and to my surprise they've tied these different franchises together very well.

  • May 14, 2012, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Fanboy 71...

    by Plathismo

    Couldn't have said it better myself. To quote you: "I like Nolan's Batman films, and will see TDKR in the theater, but some of you are insane with your unquestioning love for Nolan and his films. They have been pretty good, but not great IMO. They were 100 times better than Batman and Robin, but they have had many flaws, and don't hold up to repeated viewings that well." They are good, even very good in spots, but the first Iron Man and The Avengers are far superior, IMO. But I'm old enough not to automatically equate "dark" with "good."

  • May 27, 2012, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Awesome Review

    by Devin

    Heres another really funny review for the Avengers: http://www.yellingfire.com/the-avengers-review/

  • May 28, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Avengers Review - Rock and Dust at the Flix!

    by Patrick

    http://youtu.be/76Q5e_ik6co Rock and Dust drop episode one of their show "Rock & Dust at the Flix!" This episode they review the summber blockbuster, "The Avengers"! Enjoy!

  • June 5, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Had to be posted

    by bagwanbob

    http://socialistworker.org/2012/06/05/superheroes-of-summer

  • July 25, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Pompous!

    by aimhigh

    Harry, you are a pompous human being and you are incapable of reviewing a movie without being bias. You pretend to have been ”excited” about this movie but we all knew what you were going to write moths before you did it. Just a quick quote from your THE AVENGER review: “Watching the latest DARK KNIGHT RISES trailer after having seen THE AVENGERS… it makes DARK KNIGHT RISES almost seem like a serious parody of the superhero film’s potential. Angsty, over-wrought and a profound lack of color.” You were bias even before watching the movie, and also for somebody that proudly pretend to know about comics, you do not understand the batman’s comics at all. I had enough; I will not visit this site again until you stop writing garbage movie review. I am sure this will not bother you in the slightest; although maybe if enough people do that …. Good riddance Harry!