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TREK Sequel Newslet Round-Up!! + More Re: Nimoy In The New Film, And Cumberbatch's Role Revealed??

Published at: April 30, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST by merrick

 

Merrick here...

The Daily Mail has posted some new behind-the-scenes images of Zachary Quinto as Spock in Abrams' new STAR TREK movie.  These images originate HERE.  

The pics show Quinto wearing some variant of Starfleet uniform or attire.  Interestingly, it's the exact same type of uniform Benedict Cumberbatch is wearing in THIS photo, which leaked earlier this year.  Note the emblem imprint where the uniform "insignia" usually is - I'd say this is simply where the standard "badge" is supposed to be attached, but it appears identical on Cumberbatch's costume when seen during actual filming.  Also interesting about this get-up?  No sign of rank denotations at all...on Spock's costume, or on what we've seen of Cumberbatch's.  Maybe there's a jacket or something which goes with it & displays rank?  Or, maybe Starfleet conceits have shifted in this "parallel" timeline?   As we've already seen photos which clearly feature the more traditional, color-coded costumes and insignias, I'm guessing this is some sort of special-purpose, or (not-so) casual garb.  

 

Recently, Collider posted this image of a production crew hat from the film.  The silhouette on the hat seems to dispel rumors that Abrams' Enterprise would undergo a significant redesign for this film...although I'd imagine some cosmetic changes might still be feasible.  

That's kinda cool.  Want.

 

Around the same time, OnLocationVacations nabbed a few shots of foliage from a "red planet" set and its accompanying blue screen rigs.  

 

Which brings us to...Nimoy.  

Over the weekend, Leonard Nimoy indicated that he was "talking" about appearing in this new STAR TREK movie (details HERE).  While the actor showing up in the picture would certainly make sense, this the first time we've heard that the possibility is being actively mulled.  

In response to the article linked above, an AICN reader reached out to me with further details about whether or not Nimoy will show-up in the movie.  Said reader explained quite a bit about how he or she came across such information.  To many of you, the circumstances by which he/she became privy to this knowledge might seem dodgy or improbable.  HOWEVER...many years ago...inside information regarding another high profile, ultra-Geektastic, even more tightly secured project was leaked via extremely similar circumstances.  So...to folks who've been doing this kind of work for a long time...like Harry and I...our reader's background actually makes quite a bit of sense, and "feels" rather right.  I.e. there is a strong "credibility of circumstance" here.  

Given that I do not personally know...thus can not vouch for...any of the parties involved, I need to state implicitly and for the record that there is a margin for error here, and treat everything below this point as very highly educated rumor until it has been further confirmed or disproven. 

With that, in no particular order... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BEWARE POSSIBLE SPOILERS !!! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

** Nimoy's Spock is definitely in the film and will have long and "stately" robes.  

** Cumberbatch = Khan. 

** There's a "deep space" smackdown between Kirk and Khan in space suits.  "Flying" suits per my contact.  

 

 

More as we learn more...watch this space for possible updates.  

 

 

 

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  • April 30, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Cumberbatch as KHAN??? NO WAY

    by Mike Holdbrook

    Spock's Bro or nasty Romulan, Yes but not KHAN!

  • April 30, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    First!!!!

    by Meettherain

    cool hat

  • April 30, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Khan makes this a rental for me

    by Joe Plumber

    I told Orci not to make this one about Kahn but he didn't listen to me. Insolent bastard!

  • April 30, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Cummerbund = Montalban? Naturally!

    by la_sith

    Give me a fucking break.

  • April 30, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    With everything we've heard,

    by ObiWanKenobi

    I think Cumberbatch would be a good fit as Khan. I would have rather seen Nestor Carbonell take a swing at it, but honestly Cumberbatch has the acting chops to pull it off. I'm interested in this whole "Kirk vs Khan space suit fight' angle. How will this all go down? Will a "red planet" mean that Spock(s) will help christen a new Vulcan? Love what i've heard about the supporting cast as well....Peter Weller should bring something to the table as well. Can't wait to see it all!!!

  • April 30, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST

    KHAN!!!!

    by dalybear

    My god I can't believe its happening @dalybear

  • April 30, 2012, 10 a.m. CST

    The Daily Mail is a rag only fit for arse paper

    by JP

    Do not trust.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Is Kirk even in this new film?!?!?

    by Tank Williams

    SPOCK SPOCK SPOCK SPOCK SPOCK!!!!!

  • April 30, 2012, 10:06 a.m. CST

    genesis device?

    by thedude2010

    so are they going to be rebuilding vulcan with the genesis device and somehow working kahn into it?

  • April 30, 2012, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Quinto staring at the dudeĀ“s ass

    by Chanoc

    I got nothing more to say.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Calling bullshit on Khan

    by performingmonkey

    It just doesn't make sense...unless they crowbar in some flashback where he and Kirk clashed pre-JJ Trek 1. Peh......

  • ... JOACHIM, KHAN'S MAIN UNDERLING. THEY'RE SAYING KHAN BITES IT IN THIS TIMELINE AND JOACHIM BECOMES THE MAIN PROTAGONIST.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Spock looks like he's taking a shit in that photo.

    by Tikidonkeypunch

  • April 30, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    it khan't be

    by cozy

  • April 30, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Even Vulcans have to take sh-ts!

    by MoPea

    That's all I have to say about that.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST

    I was hoping for a Gary Mitchell episode.

    by Ingeld

    Khan gives them more opportunity for Saturday matinee action. Mitchell would have lent itself to more about characters and have been more cerebral and psychologically complex as Kirk deals with the transformation of an old friend into a god like being.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST

    This film and the one before it belong in the deepest pits of hell.

    by JuicyFruit

  • April 30, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Spock's Costume

    by Kage

    Merrick-- pretty sure Spock's black shirt is just the same kind of uniform undershirt that Kirk wore though the entirety of the first Star Trek.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST

    did anyone really think orci could write something original

    by animas

    so many fucking possibilities for star trek and this idiot rehashes khan

  • April 30, 2012, 10:20 a.m. CST

    New Dark Knight Rises Viral, get the word out AICN!

    by Shabado

    darkknightrises.com official site has the new viral to unveil the 3rd trailer frame by frame until it's unlocked. People have to go to certain locations and take a photo of the Bat symbol "graffiti". Some great stills are already out.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Well, this could be interesting....

    by Ciderman

    Cumberbatch beefed and buffed for the role, inside info from Spock prime to direct our heroes towards the Botany Bay.... Martin Freeman in there as a Hobbit thats got way lost..... Anything can happen.... And, the Daily Mail, used as toilet paper, would leave your backside more soiled than before, avoid that shite stain of a newspaper at all costs, a nasty nasty little rag that.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    kage

    by Merrick

    Similar to be sure, but with some differences. I took Kirk's costume in the original to be a cadet uniform of some sort? So how would that apply here? Just thinking aloud...

  • April 30, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST

    What a fucking pile of shit

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I love how the new Enterprise crew made zero effort to restore the original timeline but just said "Oh well!" and carried on with their lame kurtzmanorci 'adventure'. <p> Abrams Trek = made by morons for morons.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST

    And if Khan is the new villain...

    by kwisatzhaderach

    It's the lamest, most unoriginal corporate crap ever.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Would be great...but I am not buying it

    by mulscul

    The part about Nimoy would be FANTASTIC!!! Him back in Trek again is a reason alone to see the movie. BUT, the part about Cumberbatch being Kahn is so (in my opinion) obviously incorrect that it destroys both scoops. Hope I'm wrong about Nimoy, because I would ABSOLUTELY see the movie if he's in it (even a cameo)

  • April 30, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST

    China Mieville on JJ Abrams

    by kwisatzhaderach

    "I've never met JJ Abrams. I am not a member of his fan club or anti-fan club. I disliked Star Trek intensely. I thought it was terrible. And I think part of my problem is that I feel like the relationship between JJ Abrams' projects and geek culture is one of relatively unloving repackaging - sort of cynical. I taste contempt in the air. Now I'm not a child - I know that all big sci-fi projects are suffused with the contempt of big money for its own target audience. But there's something about [JJ's projects] that makes me particularly uncomfortable. As compared to somebody like Joss Whedon, who - even when there are misfires - I feel likes me and loves me and is on some cultural level my brother and comrade. And I don't feel that way about JJ Abrams."

  • April 30, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST

    It's not Kahn

    by eric haislar

    No freaking way. Why do Kahn again. Just move on. it's been done before. Why does everyone want to see Kahn again. I thought the whole point of the reboot was to have new adventures.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Looks like Spock has Pon Farr cramps

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    Those seven year hormonal cycles can be a real bitch.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    I've seen so much Quinto I wonder if Kirk is even in it?

    by Wcwlkr

    Every shot has been of Spock, either they're determined to let no Kirk shots be spoiled, or most of the action is done by Spock this go around. I also have my doubts of Cumberbatch as Kahn. Don't get me wrong I think he could pull it off. Plus I think Kahn is just a supremely awesome villain, I just hope they get it right. But I have my doubts about Kahn.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Quinto getting a hummer

    by Davidhessstation

    Spock is gay

  • April 30, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    I Call Bullshit.

    by alexander

    Because I really hope they don't just go for Kahn this time round. Section 31 all the way baby!

  • April 30, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Khan Damnit.

    by alexander

  • April 30, 2012, 10:54 a.m. CST

    I love China Mieville and his work

    by alexander

    so that hurts a little, but yes... the New Trek is not in the sensibilities of China Mieville. Not even close. Nor should it be. I wonder what he thinks of Star Trek in general though, simply because I'm sure people (and asimov_lives!) would love to see have him write at least once for a new television series.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Looks like Craft Services has a cheese heavy menu...

    by conspiracy

    ...No Cheese or Chili on set people...it just causes fucking problems.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Khan is definitely in the film. So are the Klingons.

    by Karl Hungus

    Let's just hope the Enterprise's engineering section looks less like a brewery this time.

  • April 30, 2012, 11 a.m. CST

    The only way to do this

    by HornOrSilk

    Khan isn't the villain. He becomes an ally with Kirk for something else. Prime Spock knows about Khan and has Kirk recruit alternative Khan to deal with the crisis. Tells Kirk how to deal with Khan so as to make sure he ends up on the right side.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Sounds to me like Abrams still wants his Superman vs. Lex flying fight

    by Jaster Mareel

    I guess that really tickled him down below when he wrote it so he's going to foist it on Trek using fucking space suits. And I don't see this Cumberbund person as meeting teh benchmark for the height of physical perfection that Kahn is supposed to represent. He's just a fugly, dorky Brit. Hmmmm.......getting a fucked up vibe from this movie.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST

    To go with what I have said... here is the plot of the film I would do

    by HornOrSilk

    Part I: show the foe. Some big bad Klingon who has somehow got a hold of future-tech? Something like that. Part II: The Enterprise is told to recruit Khan. To do this, however, they have to kick Khan's ass and prove to Khan they are superior to him. Khan will then want to be the first officer. Kirk will give it. Part III: The fight between the Enterprise and the Klingons. Khan is beamed aboard with Kirk and Spock. Khan appears to betray Kirk -- only this is the plan from the beginning, to get Kirk on the bridge. Then all hell breaks lose, Khan dies saving Kirk's life. There.... a movie. Better than the real thing? Probably.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST

    ALRIGHT CUT THE BULLSHIT!!

    by CARTMANEZ

    Windows, you come with us. You, me and Nauls will check the outside. Palmer, you and Childs check the inside. Norris, you stay here and watch Gary, Clark, and the Doc. Any one of them moves or tries to break free, you fry 'em.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:13 a.m. CST

    I pray it isn't Khan...nobody wants another Khan

    by conspiracy

    Nobody wants Khan. Montalban owned that character and ruined that role for anyone else; even as a younger, alternate timeline Khan it would just suck all kinds of festering cock to see. Also..why in the name of FUCK would you hire a scrawny, so white as to be fucking transparent, Englishman to play a Character named "Khan Noonien Singh"?!? Ricardo may have been Mexican...but he had that dark, undefinable ethnic thing going on that allowed him to play someone from the Punjab.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    who the hell else could he be playing but Khan?

    by southafricanguy

    based on those set pics we saw a while ago....he is clearly human, yet more than a physical match for Spock.....what else can he be but an augment....and if so then most likely Khan imho. Also, Latino review long ago heard from their sources that its Khan....and they have a fairly good track record of being right when it comes to info obtained from their sources...

  • ... in the altered timeline. That's what I'm reading...

  • April 30, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Merrick, it's the undershirt.

    by TheNotoriousDRB

    Not a cadet uniform, stop thinking aloud, you embarrass us all. Especially after saying, "So...to folks who've been doing this kind of work for a long time..." You should work a little harder to know that the costuming is pretty consistent.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    astronut of course it's possible he is Joachin and not Joachim

    by HornOrSilk

    But be it as it may, I still say show this is an alternative universe; show Khan/Joachin/Joachim/engineered bad ass to become an ally after a thrashdown. Require the thrashdown for loyalty. Get it.

  • Now that the INTERESTING Star Trek news has broken for the day, carry on...

  • April 30, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Remember the klingon sleeper ship from TNG

    by Fourthwall

    and Worfs girlfriend turns up to help them assimilate into 24th century.. maybe Prime Spock is there to make Khan waking up go a bit better?

  • April 30, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    cartmanez

    by la_sith

    If you see or hear anything... anything at all, you cut loose on the sirens. We all meet back here in 20 minutes... regardless! And everybody watch who ever you're with... real close.

  • ...but oooh....if I see Cumbersnatch utter the phrase..."I am Khan Noonien Singh"; the rant shall be such it will make my Transformers rants mere childs play, dabbles...warm ups. Really...there is no reason to return to that well yet again. You have a whole new Universe to color in..there is no reason to keep dipping the brush in Khan.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    @fourthwall. So THAT's why Spock is wearing "elegant robes"

    by AlienFanatic

    [SCENE] Spock, alone in the cold cabin of the Botany Bay, slowly drifts towards one of the capsules. Inside is a sleeping man with strong Asian features, a broad chest, and clothed in fine silks. Longingly, Spock stares at the sarcophagus as he lovingly touches the button to defrost the hulking, genetically-engineered superman. As the cover tilts out of position, the superman's eyes flutter as he looks up at the face of Spock. Without a word, Spock lets his robe drop to the floor, exposing his 125-year old body to the frigid temperatures of the ship. "I have been, and ever shall be, your...(huskily) friend." Ah, the Star Trek for a new generation indeed.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    BLACK SHIRT...was already established in first flick--

    by bma2192

    --it just goes under their colored ranked shirts. Did nobody there see Kirk wear one for like half a movie last time? :)

  • April 30, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST

    "Montalban owned that character...

    by JAMF

    and ruined that role for anyone else" yeah just like every original series actor owned their roles and what happened? years later we got a bunch of punks replacing them in an abrams shitfest. if captain fucking kirk and mister spock aren't sacred enough they aren't gonna shy away from redoing kahn.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Star Trek Under Armour Heat Gear

    by kidicarus

    We must protect this SHIP!

  • April 30, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Hopefully it's disinformation

    by Hugh G Rekshun

    I'd prefer they not waste the entire 2nd NewTrek film as a rehash of the 2nd OldTrek film. I wouldn't mind if it was just part of the overall plot (I really want to see a Kon vs Spok fight), just not the whole story. Perhaps Spok will kill Kon by making his space helmet melt onto his face.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Also...

    by Hugh G Rekshun

    ...any chance of Nimoy being in this film gives me a fully charged nacelle.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST

    My what long Naecells you have granny!

    by Dkev00

    Seriously, I don't remember them being that long in the first movie. Those are some big engines.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:07 p.m. CST

    alan_grant_lives

    by AsimovLives

    Asimov_lives is the other guy. I'm AsimovLives. Yes, two different people. I'm the real deal, the other one is a mockery.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST

    No more Khan -- that story has been told already.

    by ATARI

  • April 30, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST

    jamf...True enough...but redoing Khan with a fucking Cracker?

    by conspiracy

    I just can't see that working out for them.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Whoever said Nestor Carbonell up above?

    by gotilk

    Genius. I would have never considered that name for a moment, but it's perfect. Great actor, underrated, would be dead-on.

  • Well, the only thing we can: vote with our wallets. The only message that Team Abrams and Paramount would understand, since reason is alien to them. But why kid myself, the geekry will respond to Abrams Trek 2 with the enthusiasm of the JJ Abrams' mind slaves that they are on opening night. All will be there, even those who think the rehash of Khan is a bad idea. JJ Abrams owns the asses of the geekry... and their dollars. He's their master and lord to do what he pleases. And all he needed to achieve that was a bunch of bad movies served with over-hype and constant self-promotion. Brillant!

  • April 30, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST

    I have such hopes for this film.

    by gotilk

    Honestly. After re-watching it a third time, under better quality circumstances (blu ray vs DVD last time), I still came away feeling like it just wasn't as good as the first time I watched it. Something... off... missing. Didn't hate it, didn't love it. I WANTED to love it again, too. I did. I'm pulling for ya, number 2.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST

    How can this possibly work??

    by Patrick Pettay

    If Cumberbatch is Khan they would have to do a retelling of "The Space Seed". They couldn't do "Wrath of Khan" because they wouldn't be able to gloss over the 15 years Khan and crew were marooned on Seti Alpha 5, which was the driving force behind Khan's need for revenge against Kirk. So all you will have is the Enterprise finding the Botany Bay and defrosting Khan and crew, followed by the take over attempt and the big fight with Kirk and Khan in the engineering room. (Side note: that was one of the best fights in TOS, the best being Kirk vs. Finnegan on the read-your-mind vacation planet.) The movie would either end with Khan dead and ruining the story line for a future Wrath remake or they follow the original story and Khan and crew are set free on Seti Alpha 5. Either way they will be messing with a character and story line that is considered one of the best in the franchise. They will catch hell from we fanboys no matter what they do. It is the true no win scenario.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST

    apologies asimovlives

    by alexander

    For not giving the pair of you credit where credit is due. You've always been the same to me, but... I refer to both of you then; yourself, and that sham of a mockery of a mockery of sham of a sham mockery.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Hmmm, I don't know if using Khan again isuch a good idea.

    by Mr. Pricklepants

    Yes, he's a great villain, but using him again wouldn't exactly be original. Plus, there will be the inevitable WRATH OF KHAN comparisons. But... since this is just a rumor, there's a good chance this is just bollocks.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST

    apologies asimovlives

    by alexander

    For not giving the pair of you credit where credit is due. You've always been the same to me, but... I refer to both of you then; yourself, and that sham of a mockery of a mockery of a sham of a sham mockery.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST

    I absolutely do NOT believe Cumberbatch...

    by DANGER_DIABOLIK_

    ...is Khan. End of. Nope. The bloke will steal the movie though....bloody good actor....

  • April 30, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST

    alan_grant_lives

    by AsimovLives

    Me and him and not the same at all. But it's of little importance in the grand scheme of things. But just for you know, that's all. By the way, thanks to SPARTACUS, "appologies" became one of my favorite words of the english language.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    re - gotlik

    by DANGER_DIABOLIK_

    Yeah, I like Carbonell, but has he - in truth - shown any multi-faceted charismatic anger like Montalban, ever, in any roles? Nope. Unless you mean 'dork'-like, intermittent anger as Bat-manuel.......?

  • April 30, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST

    gotilk

    by AsimovLives

    That something off is intelligence, respect and basic filmmaking talent. I rate those as fairly important things when i judge a movie's worth and cannot do without. One could make the argument that if i didn't give that such importance i could enjoy more movies and had more fun, but.... naaahhh!!

  • April 30, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST

    just dicking around in Matrix fantasy land asimov

    by alexander

    I know... if not for a more adult oriented Dr Who ep, I think China Meiville should have a go at writing anything for screen. If he feels like it.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Khaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnn!

    by kbass

    Somebody had to say it.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Spock looks like his balls are in a pinch.

    by alienindisguise

  • April 30, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    danger_diabolik_

    by gotilk

    I'd say he came close in Lost. Or Suddenly Susan. I kid, I kid. I think he has it in him. I also think he's *had it in him* if you know what I am saying.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    re - conspiracy

    by DANGER_DIABOLIK_

    Please mate...wtf???? Montalban was quality as Khan, but please (??????)..he looked like someone who is Punjabi...???? Nope....not even slightly. And Cumberbatch ain't Khan.....but......Gary Mitchell.....yes.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Hank Azaria.....

    by gotilk

    That's who I was trying to think of earlier. He can do anything.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    The black shirt is what they wear underneath the standard uniform

    by Kremzeek

    If you watch Trek09 again, you'll notice they *all* are wearing this black shirt with the greyish emblem. It's not a "cadet" uniform. Kirk just doesn't have an official uniform on most of the Trek09. Look again. It's the same thing they were all wearing.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    alan_grant_lives

    by AsimovLives

    It's not an impossible proposition. Notice how many classic SF masters whore for Star Trek, both the TOS show and the novelizations and spin-off literature. There's good money in ST, and many of today's SF authors are trekkies or fans of the old show or TNG.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    correction:

    by AsimovLives

    whore = wrote. THough some could say they did whored out for ST.

  • Enough with the Khan! Please do not use Khan in this AT ALL. Like others have said: That story has been told and you are NOT going to do it better - EVER. So why try? I truly hope there's no truth to the Khan thing. It's extremely uninspired and unnecessary.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    They wouldn't be doing Wrath of Khan era you fucking dumb asses

    by Queefer Sutherland

    They'd be doing Space Seed era Khan. Goddman what a bunch of ignorant motherfuckers you are!

  • April 30, 2012, 1 p.m. CST

    then old spock sacrifices himself

    by jesus 2099

    instead of young spock so we dont have to deal with the search for. 'you will be, and always have been and now will be again in this timeline...my friend. or his friend. spock's. one of us. him probably.'

  • April 30, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST

    asimovlives

    by alexander

    are you calling Harlen Ellison a whore!? He would probably quite like that actually. In the right context, anyway.

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  • April 30, 2012, 1:08 p.m. CST

    I (and millions) have been saying that for years now.

    by gotilk

    Get some real, good, hard sci-fi authors to work on Trek. New Trek, a show. Not one story every 3-4 years. But of course have a staff that can do re-writes, as many authors don't know a script from a brochure on genital warts. We NEED a new Trek show. The world needs it. Badly.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Grey pants = dress uniform

    by Jake Pantlin

    It could possibly be the uniform that the instructors wore at Starfleet academy. That was a formal uniform, and the instructors were graduates; not cadets. Or it could be a new uniform, and we just are not seeing the dress jacket. We did see Pike in a grey uniform at the end of the film, with a snazzy dress uniform jacket (grey and white), so it could be something similar to that.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    jinste

    by gotilk

    I'd like to introduce you to someone. He's heavy, hammer-shaped. Loves hitting people over the head. Hates spammers. You'll love him.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Khan wore a TOS red shirt in "Space Seed"

    by Jake Pantlin

    He was given a red shirt with no rank to wear on the ship at one point in Space Seed. So it wouldn't be a stretch if Khan was wearing a nu-Trek undershirt in this movie.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Not happy if it's Khan because ...

    by ChickenStu

    I was hoping this would go in a different direction and have a brand new exclusive villain. To go back to Khan proves that Abram's has no faith in himself and is going for that fanboy dollar and is playing it safe. I was really hoping for something new.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    I'm going to take that as an improbably rumor...

    by bubcus

    ... and won't believe it unless it is confirmed by a reliable source OR in a forthcoming trailer. Until then....

  • April 30, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    danger_diabolik_...Dude, he looked a damn bit more Punjabi than...

    by conspiracy

    Cumbersnatch would/does. Personally I'd like to see an Indian actor in the role..there are a few out there; but if you are casting for Khan for fucks sake at least get someone with a fucking Tan.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST

    no shit queefer sutherland

    by alexander

    sounds like alot of folks arn't too keen on that either fella.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Hollywood can make anyone *ethnic* (as they would call it)

    by gotilk

    Just add mustache.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST

    People here are thinking they're doing Wrath??

    by gotilk

    Huh? Who said that? I guess I didn't read the whole TB, because I've read a lot of it and didn't notice anyone saying they were re-making Wrath. How could they unless they jump ahead a LOT of years. And I doubt they would do that. Also, I wonder if Carrot-Top would look Mexican if you gave him a nice, thick mustache. Or at least MORE Hispanic than Cumberbatch.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Sorry folks!

    by jinste

    Keyboard on PC a bit f**ked.Also wasnt paying attention to what i was doing.Annoying too,as I had a point to make.Which is this-why have Khan in this movie?Not,as most people say,coz Khan has been done to death,the story is over and done with,nobody could top Ricardo,etc.But simply this-the first JJ Star Trek movie was,plotwise,a carbon copy of The Wrath of Khan!!!Why do the same movie two times in a row??

  • April 30, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST

    And.... they build sets next to bus stops now?

    by gotilk

    That's what it looks like. Right next to the sidewalk. I can see the Tweets now... #Trek Just watched Kirk and Spock chasing Sherlock through fake red bushes on way to #Knotts on Bus. LOL. Best.bus.ride.evar.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    50 times. jinste? Calling bullshit. Fuck you.

    by gotilk

    Yes.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Hint: Benicio

    by Spacesheik

    Cumberpatch replaced Benicio Del Toro (over salary issues). Now who do you think Benicio intended to play?

  • April 30, 2012, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Star Trek 2

    by HornOrSilk

    Khan becomes their ally. Star Trek 3, Khan tries to take over the Federation. Star Trek 4: The Wrath of Khan. There... a Khan Trilogy

  • April 30, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST

    How do you remake Wrath of Khan if you don't remake Space Seed first?

    by Embeedeuce

  • But I might wait for el-cheepo movie theater. I do think the only way to do Khan again is to do something different. To have him and Kirk come to terms and work together for a greater goal -- only then to later have Khan try to take over the Federation in another film. Another thing they should think about doing: bring up Enterprise. Why not.. it's still the same history for both forms of history... have future-guy involved. There. I said it. So in Star Trek 3 they can do a reboot of the reboot with Khan going back in time. There.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Yes, just make Khan not out for "wrath in this one.

    by wattos new hat

  • April 30, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Hope this one is the Space seed remake

    by wattos new hat

  • April 30, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Khan?!

    by Gene Ess

    What the shit?

  • Guess which one a trekkie would choose?

  • April 30, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    a "seed" of a theory...?

    by Major Hockshtetter

    User "embeedeuce" may have inadvertently gotten to the crux of matter... perhaps Trek 2 will be an expansion/re-imagining of the Space Seed episode? Could work extremely well if tightly written, I'd be on board for that.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST

    major hockshtetter as I have pointed out

    by HornOrSilk

    I think Spock Prime tells them about Khan so they can recruit him for something else...

  • April 30, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST

    @honorsilk

    by modernboy

    They did reference Enterprise in the last film. Scotty was on that planet because he had lost Admiral Archer's prize beagle in a transporter accident.

  • April 30, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST

    modernboy yes-- but am thinking something more tangible

    by HornOrSilk

    Actually have some of the characters cross over. Heck, make it an all out time fest, with characters from all the series together, with the Future War starting.

  • yep

  • My money would be on Lazarus due to the resemblance, even though I'd have no clue how to make a movie plot out of that episode.

  • Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! My eyes!

  • April 30, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST

    YAWWWN! Bring me some real trek news. I don't buy...

    by Dilox Esp

    I don't buy the story that Khan is in this one. I think the bigest "News" is the Enterprise is apparently keeping its "new" shape.

  • Since they're all buddy buddy with boborci. And they had "multiple sources" confirm it for them. So, yeah, Khan. Let's see how this goes. Trekmovie also sez that the movie is not a rehash of Space Seed. So be interesting to see how they twist it around. My only gripe is that Khan is awesome but a bit small scale in comparison to how the Trek universe is.

  • The Trekmovie article reminded me of that, but, yah, if you own the DVD or blu ray, dig out the commentary track and fast-forward to the end. So, uh, Khan. Let's go.

  • April 30, 2012, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Absence of boborci

    by EleanorofAquitaine

    Going on other ST posts on this site, boborci should have made an appearance by now. The fact that he hasn't makes me think that it really is Khan. Maybe.

  • April 30, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST

    I have no confirmations for ya!

    by Boborci

  • April 30, 2012, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Presence of boborci

    by EleanorofAquitaine

    I knew you were out there! All you need is a little bit of encouragement.

  • April 30, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST

    No confirmations

    by EleanorofAquitaine

    But no denials either...you teasing vixen, you!

  • April 30, 2012, 4:08 p.m. CST

    It is *OBVIOUSLY* disinformation to cover the fact that ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    Cumberbatch plays Gary Mitchell. Look at his photos - there's nothing even vaguely Alpha Ceti 5 about that get-up. No rippling muscles. It's just not a role he's suited to play. But Mitchell fit Cumberbatch like a glove. Stop publishing tripe, AICN.

  • April 30, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Uh...

    by Sandy

    No. I seriously doubt that. No freaking way is Cumberbatch playing Khan. That's just stupid based on what he looks like in the film. If he is, I'm WAY more likely to skip the theater on this one. That would just be a load...a very large and smelly one that J.J. crapped out, if true.

  • April 30, 2012, 4:25 p.m. CST

    No Confirmations or Denials=Protecting his Points.

    by conspiracy

    For the love of all that is Holy and right, in the name of World and Talkback peace...not Khan Bob, not Khan. I won't be the one who breaks the peace made here...but this Khan thing....that like the Nuclear option dude.

  • April 30, 2012, 4:25 p.m. CST

    @boborci When you going to give us some official info on this

    by genrefanboy

    Come on at least get JJ to give us a press release soon or something like a teaser to clear up the misinformation as one thing fans hate is misinformation you know like you did when you were just a fan not a writer/producer etc etc

  • April 30, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Cumberbatch is a Skrull, but they won't be calling him a Skrull...

    by Royston Lodge

    ... but we'll all know he's REALLY a Skrull.

  • April 30, 2012, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Other "News" sites picking this up...like Treknews...

    by conspiracy

    I just can't see how in Gods Green Earth some skinny ass English cracker can play Khan...surely JJ isn't THAT fucking retarded to put a White Englishman into the role of a Punjabi Prince.

  • April 30, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Everybody Khalm down.

    by Boborci

  • April 30, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST

    All the british papers are shit holes

    by shane peterson

    .

  • April 30, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST

    How about you Khalm us down with some proper info!!!

    by genrefanboy

  • April 30, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST

    boborci,

    by shane peterson

    if you're going to take the Trek films into an alternate timeline, do something new for fucks sake! The first Trek you guys did was very good. The Trek universe needs fresh blood. new villains. New characters, etc.

  • April 30, 2012, 4:53 p.m. CST

    amen to that tazzman

    by alexander

    Well almost all of the British papers.

  • April 30, 2012, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Yeah, bob's right: Khalm down

    by EleanorofAquitaine

    Is it Khan, isn't it Khan? Or should the question be: will it be fun? Case for Cumerbatch as Khan. Does Khan HAVE to have bulging muscles? The keynote of Khan is his brilliant intelligence and arrogance. Could Cumerbatch play Khan that way? Hell, yes. Could Alice Eve be Lt McGivers? Sure, why not? On the other hand, the plot could be about anything. whatever it is, I'm looking forward to it.

  • April 30, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST

    I still say...Vulcans as Villains...

    by conspiracy

    a beaten down Vulcan race, the most advanced species in the Federation; finds it Logical to do what is necessary to survive...logically reasoning that their survival potentially benefits the greatest number of beings and therefore if they break a few eggs to live...so what. I know Asi hates this idea, most hardcore Trek worshipers do...but fuck it would be fresh, different and upset the apple cart.

  • But not in a gay way...

  • April 30, 2012, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Oh, I see Bob, KHAN TURNS TO THE DHARK SIDE

    by victor82

    Like Anakin or Two Face. Spock Prime, like Master Obi Wan, sees the good in all people, and has his Padwan, Youngling Spock, intercept the Botany Bay so that Khan can undergo the Training with Spock Prime in the Degobah System. Unfortunately, a leopard can't lose his spots, and Khan falls in with Klingons or some other assorted Sith types while trying to help Spock Prime perfect the Genesis Device to build a new world for the Wandering Vulcans. Anakin,er, Khan, TURNS TO THE DARK SIDE, and flees from Spocks lab with said device. Kirk and Youngling Spock give chase. There is a final battle over a volcano in which Khan and Youngling Spock duel each other with lightsabers, and Khan falls into the lava, burning himself hideously. But Khan does not die. There are sequels and merchandising to consider. So, I think I've got the plot down. The only thing missing is Order 66 and Uhura putting her hair in twin buns.

  • I know the kneejerk response is "BLAH! COMIC BOOK! BLAH!" but, seriously, the man did interviews with comic book resources, said the point of the IDW series is to reinterpret TOS episodes and they were already coming up with the story for the Trek sequel by the time that interview was given / the comic series was announced. So even though "BLAH! COMIC BOOK NOT CANON" I'm fairly certain if a dude who is writing the next movie oversees the comic series & says to go do Gary Mitchel & "Where No Man Has Gone Before" then it's not happening in the movie. Because it's Khan. Like I said, I like Trekmovie sources a hellova lot more than AICN.

  • April 30, 2012, 5:10 p.m. CST

    eleanorofaquitaine ...NO, Cumbersnatch can NOT play Khan

    by conspiracy

    Khan is genetically engineered for superior intellect and physical perfection. He is a test tube "Superman". Khan is also a Punjabi Prince...not a scrawny, damned near transparent Londoner. I don't give a good God Damn how great an actor he is...he simply doesn't fit the role. The alternate universe would not explain the change either...as that timeline only changed from the point the Romulans entered it...and Khan was launched in 1990something.

  • April 30, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST

    The problem with Khan is

    by shane peterson

    if they do Khan and he's so different than Ricardo's portrayal, then why make him Khan at all? Why not make him some new villain? Oh, name recognition. Merchandising. Khan is back! marketing etc. Unoriginal crap.

  • April 30, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST

    victor82 I think mine is better

    by HornOrSilk

    There is a major Klingon problem and Spock Prime tells them about Khan so to recruit him. He is their ally. It's only Star Trek 3 in which Khan tries to take over the Federation. And Star Trek 4 is the Wrath of Khan...

  • April 30, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST

    oh no, please no...

    by Detached

    Even though I didn't like the first one, I was willing to think maybe they'd do a decent movie the second time out. But IF IF IF it really is a Khan movie... who cares. You've got a whole universe to explore and develop, and THIS is the best you can do?

  • April 30, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Bet it is hard not to jump into this isn't Bob...

    by conspiracy

    know you want too...the keyboard is riiight there...so close it is fucking taunting you; you know you want to drop a hint, spill the beans, tease the plot...the power to make fanboys erupt or weep at your fingertips, intoxicating. You're probably breaking out in a cold sweat as the desire to tell us something challenges the logic of keeping quiet making the down payment on that Beach House you've been eyeing. I suggest having a few drinks, 4 or 5...clear your head a bit...then come back and post.

  • April 30, 2012, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Cumberbatch plays an otter in this one.

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

  • April 30, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST

    tazzman...NOW you're catching on! Business First. Ka-Ching!

    by conspiracy

    Disclosure: I have no positions with Viacom or its subsidiaries; nor do I plan on initiating any positions within the next 72 hours.

  • But hey, I know the younger generations will go see it anyway and it'll make a killing at the box office. What do they care that great movies and characters are being SHIT ON by remakes starring punks who have NO ON-SCREEN CHEMISTRY.

  • April 30, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST

    @honorsilk: Yeah, but you know they'll rip off Lucas

    by victor82

    They have to have Khan turn to the Dark Side. I can see it now: Ripoff Scriptwriting 101. Nimoy to Cumberbatch: "But you were the One!" Cumberbatch to Nimoy: "Piss off, Old Man. The Sixties are Over! Now where is my light saber?"

  • April 30, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Conspiracy

    by EleanorofAquitaine

    Maybe you're right--Assuming they want to re-create Khan as envisaged back in the 1960's. I suppose what I was trying to say was that I can't see the point of getting my knickers in a knot one way or the other. Maybe they will try and re-envision Khan, or maybe they will do Gary Mitchell, or maybe they will make the Vulcans the villains. Or whatever. Who knows? Why don't we just wait until it comes out and see if we like it? End transmission. Time to go off to work. Have fun, ya'all.

  • April 30, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST

    @tazzman: Merchandising...that's the key!

    by victor82

    Are you kidding? Paramount has to have SOMETHING to compete with the Proto-Chestburster toys that will be under the tree in 2013. Paramount wants kids dressing up as Khan for Halloween, not the fucking Space Jockey, for God's sake. Nero was as forgettable a villain as existed in all of Star Trek history, an ordinary Joe miner who became a genocidal maniac. There was no Hitler there; that was the great fault in the Nero backstory. But Khan? Why, you'd bring Shatner back for the film just to do the scream shot. Plus, let's face it, the Big E is a lot more elegant of a ship than the Prometheus ever will be, and that's a fact, Jack. Now, if Ridley Scott ever did a Trek film, that would be worth paying primo boxoffice to see.

  • April 30, 2012, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Now I have a cool way to do Khan. So it won't be done

    by HornOrSilk

    Khan is reawakened by Vulcans in this alternative universe. Through time and effort, he becomes the leader of a group of bad-ass Vulcans -- those disenfranchised with the Federation. He is seen as their savior.

  • April 30, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Conspiracy - must... Not... Read.... Talkback....

    by Boborci

  • April 30, 2012, 5:44 p.m. CST

    victor82..Oh...You...Tease!

    by conspiracy

    A Ridley Trek would be the answer to millions of peoples prayers...don't tease like that, it is just too good a thing to think of...the only thing that could top that in the Geek world would be to have your salad tossed by Scarlett in her Black Widow outfit. Seroiously..I honestly can't imagine a Scott Trek...the pure fucking awesomeness of such a film is beyond my comprehension.

  • April 30, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Drink Bob..really...it's good for you, will calm your nerves

    by conspiracy

    have a few shots...then come back and talk to us, when you are better able to handle the stress of not talking.

  • April 30, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Maybe you should read it, for better ideas. I told you that

    by Dingbatty

    Transformers Animated was how TF should be written, but then you merely nicked that version of Bulkhead for the crap TF: Prime.

  • April 30, 2012, 5:57 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk...I'm diggin that idea.

    by conspiracy

    Khan see's in the Vulcans kindred Intellect; the young rouge Vulcans see a dynamic leader unfettered by hidebound logic and pacifism...grabbing onto his idea that the Superior should Rule for the Greater Good of all.

  • April 30, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Denial aint just a river on Cestus III

    by SuperTrekkie

  • April 30, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST

    conspiracy right, they can merge quite well together

    by HornOrSilk

    And Khan could make the logical argument for it, saying the destruction of Vulcan is the result of their pacifist ways.

  • April 30, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Geez Qunito is leering....

    by GuyFawkes

    ...at that guys ass....

  • April 30, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Originality

    by SolomonShort

    There are plenty ... PLENTY of exciting characters and story lines to explore from TOS. Khan has been done. And as Nick Meyer said (paraphrase) about the anniversary DVD release of Khan and revamping the FX, "Unlike some other movies, if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Amen. Can Abrams and the powers that be stand to explore "original" ground, even to venture into the realm of say, the Doomsday Machine or perhaps a Klingon war leading to the Organians or even the Romulans after retard Nero entered the picture (how has that screwed things up?) Need character drama? Meet Harry fuckin' Mudd for starters. Maybe a little Kirk/Marcus foray. If true, the Trek franchise is succumbing to the same reboot territory of so many other genre films ... unoriginal and a lack of bold chancy decisions to surprise and delight audiences. Maybe Abrams will make another fun-filled joy ride for the uneducated audiences. Couldn't you do the same, but with other colorful characters through uncharted territory? Cue: Kirk's Intro VO. Entropy is the one true constant of the universe.

  • April 30, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk...Exactly. Vulcans own Logic used against them.

    by conspiracy

    Is it logical for the most advanced society, the one best equipped to help the most beings in the Federation, to allow themselves to simply waste away and die? Logic always plays a part in conquest, colonization, and subjugation...for the greater good.

  • April 30, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Ummm....errrr....

    by Jaka

    ....no.

  • April 30, 2012, 7:15 p.m. CST

    That's an after Taco Bell fart face btw

    by proevad

    Been there Quinto. Been there.

  • April 30, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Only thing the Daily Mail is good for

    by proevad

    this song title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McuHVXgR8dA

  • April 30, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST

    re - conspiracy

    by DANGER_DIABOLIK_

    ....a good melanin-advantaged / olive skinned (delete as applicable) actor for Khan would be Mr Vastly Underrated - Brit/Italian - Mark Strong (Body of Lies, Syriana, The Guard, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, and Green Lantern). The bloke is quality, and has 'chameleon ethnic' qualities....

  • April 30, 2012, 7:41 p.m. CST

    I am the real Asimovlives!!

    by Sam Clegg

    Do not listen to that other fool. He is the traitor! I have been reborn, after dying on planet Vulcan in the film. I have returned to witness the second film in this new series. Do not worry about this film being bad, nor listen to this imposter, because Star Trek 2 will be just as good as the last one. This fake individual will do anything to dissuade you, so do not respond to him or do anything to anger this fool! Let me deal with him, and only me, because he will do everything to ruin your experience of this new Star Trek film. I am Asimov and I live, die, and live again.

  • Trust Spock Prime to somehow get to Khan all Deux-Ex (the literary device, not the video game) style, and he'll be the one to take down Joachim.

  • I'm on board with the alternate reality/new timeline, but if they're confirming the original TL (by including Spock Prime), then everything that happened before the moment of intrusion should stand. Kahn and his merry band should be floating in space during Nero's wrath...

  • April 30, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Joachim

    by berserkrl

    Cumberbatch does look more like Joachim/Joaquin than like Khan: http://trekgueststars.pski.net/stguest/images/mark_tobin.jpg http://www.isnanchordesk.com/autos/pix/jscott.jpg

  • April 30, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    FINNEGAN!

    by DrPain

  • April 30, 2012, 8:01 p.m. CST

    P.S.

    by berserkrl

    I don't know why the atmosphere of Ceti Alpha V turned his hair blond, though.

  • You know you want to see it happen...

  • April 30, 2012, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Boborci lies out his f***ing teeth

    by Jason

    When Orci was asked what he regretted most about Trek 09 it was not getting Shatner to reprise his role as Prime Kirk. Now he gets Nimoy twice (which is super cool by the way). Any fucking geek on the street could have found a way to get Shatner in 09, why couldn't the geeks on the supreme court found a way to get him in 13? Orci, flash fucking forward? Bottom Line: Abrams, Orci and Paramount can't fucking stand William Shatner.

  • April 30, 2012, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Why doesn't the Cumberbatch news get its own major headline?!

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    This is HUGE news, and it gets a little mention in a little article hidden on the site? Shame, AICN... shame!

  • April 30, 2012, 8:38 p.m. CST

    HAHAH -- I told you fuckers they were going to make this about Khan.

    by Dr_PepperSpray

    Bob Orci and clan, you fucks are officially out of gas. <P> Enjoy your shit-trek, the rest of you.

  • April 30, 2012, 8:48 p.m. CST

    @dr_pepperspray: Sad, but True

    by victor82

    They could at least bring back the Mugatu to be Khan's pet.

  • April 30, 2012, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Ugh...Khan...oh...joy...

    by Scott

    *sigh* Kahn...oh fucking joy...god...what is it with all the Kahn worship bullshit of the decades...lame...ass...bullshit... I would have rather they ass raped ANY other plot line than this...

  • April 30, 2012, 10 p.m. CST

    @ Logan_1973:

    by Leto III

    We'll probably find out in the next movie that the "Botany Bay" was still launched at some point in the past, prior to Kirk's birth, etc. I don't really see the producers going too far astray from that backstory. Now, whether it's from "the 1990s" or not, that's an entirely different matter. I doubt we'll see Khan waking up from cryosleep rocking a tall afro-fade, or Bell Biv Devoe posters plastered all over the "Bay"'s bulkheads...but you never know.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Well If It Is Khan It's Got To Be Young Khan

    by Real Deal

    Remember this is years ( no matter what timeline ) before WOK. So maybe this is a different take on the space seed.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Khan it be Khan, or Kharn't it be Kharn?

    by EleanorofAquitaine

    As I recall, there were early rumours about the plot of the first (2009) movie being about starfleet academy, and everyone started complaining that it was wrong to do that and denying that it was about that at all, and then we got to watch the movie and lo and behold, it was about starfleet academy. But it was done with a twist--Nero changing the timeline. Now, I thought Nero was a sort of Deux ex Machina, but it did allow them to tell a character-driven story about the crew meeting each other and I like the movie a lot. So I think they could do Khan in a totally different way to TOS. maybe something about Khan as perfect, arrogant intellect versus Kirk's argument that our imperfections are what makes us human (sound pretty ST to me). So yes, it could be Khan, but Khan done with a twist, just as the first movie did starfleet academy with a twist.

  • and based on his looks Cumberbatch should play a vulcan

  • May 1, 2012, 5:38 a.m. CST

    He's going to be Chaka Khan.

    by Dingbatty

  • May 1, 2012, 5:55 a.m. CST

    The Shatner Snub Part 2

    by Jason

    Bill has been snubbed twice now. Got to feel sorry for the guy. These guys created a new universe and timeline where everything happens differently, and Generations is null and void and they can't think of any way to get Shatner in the film. They write a cameo in the last film then never actually offer it to him. Now they ask Nimoy in again so they've obviously written the script again with him in mind and Shatner is left out of a franchise he is desperate to return to and would be welcome by his fans. I think it stinks. Hoorar for Nimoy. Bad form again towards Shatner. JJ Abrams should be ashamed. Orci bullshitted us all with his regrets about Shatner in the last film. So much of a regret he leaves Shatner out of the sequel as well. With all that money from the scripts its no wonder Shatner gets all this lip service and no action.

  • May 1, 2012, 8:38 a.m. CST

    tkdscott1 - Because they don't really know Star Trek.

    by Dr_PepperSpray

    I really do believe they think Khan is Star Trek's Darth Vader. <P> In fact, I'm sure that notion was batted around by the brain trust at bad robot.

  • May 1, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST

    No Shatner because Kirk is dead

    by Logan_1973

    To even bring him back in a flashback wouldn't work considering how Bill has aged; the guy is just a blob.

  • May 1, 2012, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Shatner Blob trumps rest of Trek cast

    by Jason

    Shatner can still outact any of the current cast members, and it truly annoys people just how multi-talented Shatner is, even as an old, larger man. They can digitally de-age him, but that's not necessary, people will take old fat Kirk anyday and that also annoys people. Kirk being dead is not important. It's a new timeline.

  • May 1, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST

    New Villain=Watch it in Theater; Khan=Icefilms or not at all...

    by conspiracy

    it really is as simple as that. There is no reason to revisit Khan when you have an entire new universe to explore. I've seen Khan, I know Khan, and Mr. Cumbersnatch you are no Khan.

  • Shat in all seriousness...if a fine, under rated actor...plus...he IS Captain Kirk. Pine did a decent job impersonating Captain Kirk...but just like Montalban owned Khan, and Nimoy owned Spock, Shatner IS captain Kirk.

  • May 1, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST

    ourdad

    by Logan_1973

    Old Kirk died before Spock Prime created the new timeline. I understand your point but Kirk Prime is out of the picture and has nothing to do with the new timeline.

  • May 1, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST

    the shatter scene boborci mentions

    by Merrick

    ...was truly lovely and clever. REALLY wish it had been retained.

  • May 1, 2012, 11:08 a.m. CST

    @boborci @merrick...how about letting us ready this scene...

    by conspiracy

    instead of just telling us how great and clever it was? I'm sure Trek fans would like to know "What might have been".

  • May 1, 2012, 11:09 a.m. CST

    ready=read...

    by conspiracy

    I will hit 60 before this site gets updated.

  • May 1, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Bob Orci please rewrite the scene and put in this one

    by Jason

    Shatner could talk about Khhhhaaaaaan!

  • May 1, 2012, noon CST

    That Kirk scene

    by Logan_1973

    Didn't it involve Spock Prime playing a taped message from Kirk Prime for Young Spock?

  • Like most of JJ's Trek. Stupid and hackneyed.

  • May 1, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Shatner shouldn't be involved in this one, and neither should Khan.

    by Dr_PepperSpray

    Look at me Bob Orci, I actually had hope you guys wouldn't just pull this one of your asses.

  • May 1, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Shatner Won't Fit on a Movie Screen

    by Lesbianna_Winterlude

    Well, maybe an Imax screen

  • May 1, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Whoever said Nestor Carbonell is a genius

    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    HOW DID ABRAMS NOT PICK HIM!? Just Google his name and look at all the pictures that pop up. He even LOOKS like Montalban. He can do the accent. He can act. Whaaaat is Abrams thinking?!

  • May 5, 2012, 1:39 a.m. CST

    This is a red herring to throw us off

    by GeneralKael

    No way is Benedict Khan - it makes no sense whatsoever. JJ Abrams would not do this I don't think. My money is that Benedict is playing a version of Captain Garth of Izar - the hints you get from the original series is that he was a hero of Kirks that was brilliant before he went nuts. I always thought he would make a cool badguy in a ship to ship battle. Now, think of this as a badguy - a fully trained and experienced starfleet captain with a loyal crew, who knows exactly how to use his ship, and who Kirk has a bit of hero worship for. That would make a heck of a lot more sense and would fit into things better. (perhaps wishful thinking on my part but every time I watch the old series this character jumps out at me as a great villain and also since Kirk is reluctant to just kill him). I don't buy this dude is Khan - it's misinformation.