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Nordling Says THE AVENGERS Is Triumphant Comic-Book Filmmaking At Its Finest!

 

Nordling here.

This could have gone very badly, and we all know it.  Had any one film in Marvel’s roster leading up to THE AVENGERS (the two IRON MAN films, THE INCREDIBLE HULK, CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER and THOR) been a disaster, then it could have very well have doomed this project.  And even those movies had varying degrees of success, both thematically and box office wise.  My favorite of the Marvel films was the last one – CAPTAIN AMERICA hearkened back to those halcyon days of 1981 when I saw RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK every possible weekend that summer, and even CAPTAIN AMERICA had its share of issues.

But we stuck with all these movies because we hoped that all these arcs would pay off in the final product.  It all depended on who they got to throw all these characters and stories in a blender.  Too much Tony Stark in the mix, and we get too much cynicism; too much Steve Rogers and the movie becomes insufferably earnest.  Add to that Thor’s Shakespeare-by-way-of-Jack-Kirby and Hulk’s psychological complications and it becomes obvious that it would take a master to put just the right amounts into the mix to make something unique and worthwhile.

So, we arrive at THE AVENGERS.  And it turns out that not only was Joss Whedon the right man for the job, but that he may well have been the only man for the job.  I’d like to think that Marvel knew what they were doing when they hired him – as far back as only being able to hand him story outlines for the still-to-be produced THOR and CAPTAIN AMERICA. They knew Whedon’s particular skill set (in terms of what he’s done in television and the comic-book world), and didn’t just hire him for the loyalty of his fan base or his geek credentials.  It turns out that all three may have come into play here in some way, because what Joss Whedon has achieved joins geek moments where all you need is a month and a year and know exactly what it represents. Like that fateful day in May of 1977, or even that December of 2001, when everything seemed so dark and gloomy and Peter Jackson showed us that through perseverance and friendship we can see our way through.  Yeah, THE AVENGERS is that good.

I’m certain that some 10-year-old child, boy or girl, is going to see this and say, “I want to do that,” and make something amazing in 20 years.  Like STAR WARS, or LORD OF THE RINGS, THE AVENGERS has a transporting power that, like those great epic movies of old, takes the audience to a different world, a world in which a rich man can invent a mechanical suit of armor, or that magical gods exist, or that rage can make a modest man into a beast, or that heroes from yesteryear can return and save us all.  There are moments where I wasn’t just recalling my childhood, sitting in the darkened church and reveling in those movies; no, I was that gleeful 10-year-old boy again, cheering my heroes, booing the villains, and being shown such images of wonder and majesty that I was utterly transported.  This is nostalgia of the now.

Joss Whedon’s abilities as a director and a writer must be acknowledged, and I’m no Whedon fanboy.  I love his work on BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER, and his ability to give each character in that series their own arc and moment to shine absolutely comes into play in THE AVENGERS. With the exception of one character (and I’ll get to that), all of the heroes and supporting characters are given satisfying stories and conclusions.  They all grow as characters, in that they are no longer the same people at the end that they were in the beginning.  Marvel movies from here on will have to in some way acknowledge THE AVENGERS because everything has changed. From a movie perspective, yes, but also from a business perspective and how future comic book properties are utilized in movies from here on out.

The reason why readers young and old attach so much weight and attention to comics and their silly four-colored drawings is that they inspire us in this world.  They are our fables, our myths, our stories told around the campfire.   Christopher Nolan’s brilliant iteration of Batman has put the audience in a real-world place and yet has tapped into this primal storytelling.  But THE AVENGERS is the first movie that feels like I fell into the pages of those comics of my youth. Like SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE and THE INCREDIBLES before it, THE AVENGERS has shifted the paradigm for this genre and filmmakers would do well to pay close attention to what Joss Whedon does here, because his film will raise the expectations exponentially for audiences at this point.

The story is simple – Loki (Tom Hiddleston) has come to Earth, and he will have his revenge against Asgard and his brother Thor.  For that to happen, Loki will need an army to conquer Thor’s beloved Midgard, and he enlists the alien Chitauri to aid him.  He has promised them the Tesseract – the Cosmic Cube of CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER – that will aid the Chitauri in conquering the known universe, and in return they will give Earth to Loki.  Nick Fury (Samuel Jackson) is left with no choice – he must bring together these disparate heroes to challenge Loki and save the planet.  Tony Stark (Robert Downey Jr.) is reluctant to put himself under the orders of other people, and Iron Man’s narcissism threatens any possibility of a team; Steve Rogers (Chris Evans) was a leader of men as Captain America, but now he is lost in a world in which he has no bearings; Bruce Banner (Mark Ruffalo) has dedicated his life to helping others, but must hold his temperance in check lest the monstrous Hulk take control and destroy what little life he has made for himself; Thor (Chris Hemsworth) must put aside his conflicted feelings for his brother Loki and become the hero that Midgard needs.  Loki subverts Clint Barton’s Hawkeye (Jeremy Renner) and it’s up to agent Natasha Romanoff (Scarlett Johansson) AKA Black Widow to figure out how to release him from Loki’s spell.  All these people must put aside their petty differences and work as a team if they have any hope of defeating Loki and his minions.

We can all agree that Robert Downey Jr. as Tony Stark/Iron Man is the definition of perfect casting, but while terrific in IRON MAN, he was unfocused to the point of rambling in the sequel.  Yet, Whedon refocuses Downey’s performance in THE AVENGERS and I think the result is his best work with the character yet. Chris Evans’ Steve Rogers/Captain America is earnest and strong, qualities that could have become annoying fast but Evans, like his work in the first Captain America film, finds the truth in all of it and turns Rogers into the leader that he was always destined to be.  Chris Hemsworth is equally good as Thor – intrinsically retaining the lessons learned of his previous movie without changing the character completely. Scarlet Johansson’s Black Widow is strong and capable of holding her own with all these uber-men.  Tom Hiddleston plays Loki much like his terrific performance in THOR, but he’s much angrier here; ready to deal out some damage to these pesky humans that have annoyed him so.  Samuel Jackson does his “bad mutha” thing with Nick Fury, but we do get to see him hold his own in combat and show us why he’s the man to lead SHIELD.  Even Agent Coulson (Clark Gregg) with his deadpan demeanor brings something new to the table and it’s the best use of that character in all the films.  He brings to Coulson a sense of earnestness and even nobility.

But the performance that I think everyone will be talking about, and remembering the most, is Mark Ruffalo’s Bruce Banner.  The Hulk seems easy on paper, but when it comes to the movies he’s been extraordinarily difficult to adapt successfully.  It’s probably because while the Hulk in full-on rage can be very cinematic, Bruce Banner’s conflicts are all internal.  It’s a mix that’s almost impossible to get right – imagine a sensitive indie movie about a man with deep psychological scars that suddenly turns into a Michael Bay movie in the last third.  It’s a dichotomy that isn’t easy to portray onscreen, as fans of even Ang Lee’s HULK can attest.

On the surface, Mark Ruffalo’s Banner is cool and collected; he seems to enjoy other people, especially Tony Stark, and the characters are constantly asking him what his secret is so that he doesn’t rage out.  But Ruffalo never tips his hand too much – you can sense more going on underneath, and when he finally transforms, you can’t help but feel like he’s lost a battle.  It’s rare that Bruce Banner is portrayed so well in movies, but Whedon and Ruffalo have figured out that elusive spark that makes the character work.

And did I mention that when the Hulk does appear, he takes THE AVENGERS and makes it his own smashing ground?  The Hulk bar none gets the most rousing moments in the movie, and I think Whedon gets something about the Hulk that even filmmakers like Ang Lee do not – he is catharsis as character.  In a musical, characters sing because they have no other choice; in THE AVENGERS Hulk smashes because he must smash, and it leads up to some of the movie’s most triumphant moments.

With all this rousing praise, don’t think I could overlook the movie’s problems. In the beginning, THE AVENGERS struggles to find its tone and pace. With the amount of character building that must take place, such a problem was probably unavoidable. Because of all the character juggling, Hawkeye’s arc is sadly shortened.  He spends a good portion under the control of one of Loki’s spells, so we learn little of his motivations or past.  Perhaps the eventual sequel will open up his character a bit.

The treatment of such a stoic hero shouldn’t be seen as a dealbreaker. More unfortunate is Alan Silvestri’s score.  Having previously scored CAPTAIN AMERICA, Silvestri again composes, but is unable to provide this comic-book epic with the iconic, rousing theme that it deserves. Someone like Michael Giacchino or John Powell would have worked wonderfully.  Silvestri’s score isn’t terrible, but it’s completely unmemorable, and it needed to be very memorable.

Not enough Hawkeye and a weak music score are problems that I can overlook, however, because the end result is so spectacular.  The final hour of THE AVENGERS is genre filmmaking as we’ve rarely seen before – full of action but never forgetting that we are invested in these characters.  It’s bombastic, silly (in a good way), riveting, and completely works in a way that Michael Bay’s films never do.  The way Whedon brings all these arcs to their proper conclusions is probably the most masterful aspect of his direction and the reason why I think that while the other Marvel movies can switch directors, THE AVENGERS franchise should stay with Whedon until the end. 

Joss Whedon has crafted what I feel is the best superhero movie yet.  It’s intense, satisfying, and even moving.  THE AVENGERS has thrown down the gauntlet for this summer, one that like Thor’s hammer may be impossible for others to pick up.  The mid-credits scene made me as a comic geek stand up and cheer and feels like a validation for this silly hobby of ours, that started in our rooms, reading these books and dreaming of our heroes, aspiring to greatness ourselves.  THE AVENGERS is the movie of our childhood dreams brought to wonderful reality.  It’s capital-G Great.

Nordling, out.  Follow me on Twitter!

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  • April 29, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Joss is our master

    by bill AHO

  • April 29, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST

    cant wait

    by Stifler's Mom

    i bet this blows DKR away.

  • April 29, 2012, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Saw it yesterday in Australia

    by bohdi71

    It rocks, great writing, great action, not a perfect movie but awesome fun... Joss rocks!!!

  • April 29, 2012, 9:38 p.m. CST

    One question: How often do the masks come off?

    by Behemoth

    Cuz once they're in the costumes, I don't want them damn things ripped off, taken off, whatever. It's bad enough they totally did away with a mask for Hawkeye.

  • April 29, 2012, 9:42 p.m. CST

    dying to read this but I'll bookmark it and wait

    by Rupee88

    already seen and heard too much although i've avoided all the recent clips and latest trailer

  • April 29, 2012, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Fml

    by biggev77

    Friday can't come fast enough! I think I may be missing work for this!

  • But is it a surprise seeing as how its from Josh Whedon. It felt formulaic and corny. AICN loves being bought out by the studios

  • April 29, 2012, 9:48 p.m. CST

    eighth

    by patrick cruz

  • April 29, 2012, 9:49 p.m. CST

    A lot that could have wrong didn't, it is to be hoped.

    by kabong

    It's not Tony Stark who is the narcissist; it's Robert Downey. Put the helmet on, Iron Man. Then go to your trailer, Downey. <p>

  • April 29, 2012, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Behemoth: The masks..

    by CashGozere

    Loki's comes off as required, and is all magical. Thor, Black Widow, Hulk, et al don't have masks. Iron Man's comes off when he dies, and Cap'n America's comes off when he's being mauled by a Chitauri.

  • April 29, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Oh, and also..

    by CashGozere

    This movie really does kick all ass. Thanos!

  • April 29, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST

    bs9999

    by Dan

    Seriously? SERIOUSLY? That's you is it? It's currently rocking a 97% on RT, from 63 counted reviews. I could go on. You sir, are clearly possesed of an entirely inadequate penis and far too much internet access.

  • April 29, 2012, 9:55 p.m. CST

    bs9999....

    by MrH

    Your name says it all bs9999 = bullshit to the power of 9,999!! This movie kicked arse and left a huge smile on my face. Fuck off troll.

  • April 29, 2012, 9:57 p.m. CST

    This, PROMETHEUS and TDKR = MEGA.

    by justmyluck

    http://www.movieinsider.com/movies/summer/2012/

  • April 29, 2012, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Reason for masks coming off

    by ShadowVision

    @behemoth. Unfortunately you are going to see a lot of masks coming off in these type of movies. I think this started with Spider-man because they realized that it was the only way non-comic book fans would be able to connect with the characters if they see them as human beings. If you think about it, even with the Iron Man movies you are really not seeing him solely with his helmet on because when he does have it on they show you Tony Stark underneath.

  • April 29, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Glad this is getting good reviews

    by master_of_realty

    2012 Movies 1. The Dark Knight Rises 2. Django Unchained 3. Prometheus 4. Skyfall 5. Lincoln 6. The Hobbit 7. The Avengers 8. Spider-Man

  • April 29, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST

    As said about bs9999

    by C A Iversen

    I've not seen many opinions as totally, provably wrong as yours. The Rotten Tomatoes rating tells the story that there's absolutely no selling out here at AICN over this film. I am a huge DC fan, but am very jealous of what Marvel has done with their films, now that jealousy is quadrupled by The Avengers. DC & Warner Bros need to stop going for big name casting and get the right guys for the job. I think Bale has been wrong for Batman and Reynolds (along with 50% of everything else in that film) was wrong for Green Lantern. The Wonder Woman series got canned. All we have left is that maybe, just maybe Snyder & Cavill will get Superman right. I hope so. Marvel cast the right men and at time of casting they were all low on the A List or lower. Well done Marvel and enjoy your winnings.

  • April 29, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Oh and I advise you to stop watching trailers, scenes, tv spots.

    by bohdi71

    As they give away some of the best action beats of the movie. Also this is the funniest marvel film yet. Genuine belly laughs.

  • April 29, 2012, 10:08 p.m. CST

    And bs9999 it's 'Joss' and not 'Josh'

    by bohdi71

  • Aside from Pirates of the Caribbean, I dont think any movie haa had a memorable, rousing "theme" since the days of Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Superman, Burton's Batman, etc...

  • April 29, 2012, 10:12 p.m. CST

    about goddamn time!

    by antonphd

    now where are the rest of the reviews?

  • April 29, 2012, 10:21 p.m. CST

    As good as 1977?

    by LowDevil

    Well i am happy with your enthusiasm, but i doubt it. Although this makes me very excited to say the least. I was thinking disaster the whole time. Sorry Joss!

  • April 29, 2012, 10:21 p.m. CST

    @c a iverson...

    by REMcycle

    ...unfortunately I think the success of The Avengers is going to push DC in the wrong direction even further...they're going to see that ensemble superhero films CAN work and they're going to rush right into a mess of a JLA film. Either that or, and this is my inner geek just jerking off here, but they just might insert some Superman stuff into TDKR, do the same in Snyder's Superman film, and pave the way for a future duet. A geek can dream...

  • April 29, 2012, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Why was this released internationally first?

    by atalcot

    I assume that there's a sound strategic/financial reason, but does anyone know why?

  • April 29, 2012, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the spoilers

    by D.Vader

    Oy...

  • April 29, 2012, 10:38 p.m. CST

    I give it 2.5 out of 5 stars...

    by Cagliostro

    Liked Iron Man 1 better. Got bore a lot until the last half hour. Best features: Thor, Hulk and the Helicarrier. Really just another hollywood superhero romp and I'll take Donner's Superman over it any day. Please do something with Cap's costume for any sequels.

  • April 29, 2012, 10:40 p.m. CST

    BS9999 may be wrong, but it's not because of the Tomato Meter.

    by notcher

    Many a piles of shit have received great reviews, yes, even 97% reviews. But I'm still waiting for the next 150 reviews to roll in. John Carter had a great start on RT too and some troll told me "Obviously Notcher the movie is good." Woops! Now, I highly doubt "The Avengers" tanks like John Carter, and I'm pretty sure it's going to be great, but I'm not gonna blow it out of proportion without seeing it first and start saying stupid shit like "This is clearly gonna kill TDKR!" I think many people have underestimated Nolan, and I'd bet money Batman still takes the cake. But ultimately, who gives a fuck? "The Avengers" and every other movie can all be great. Nothing wrong with that, BRING IT!!!!

  • April 29, 2012, 10:41 p.m. CST

    I mean bored

    by Cagliostro

  • April 29, 2012, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Best scene *spoiler*...

    by Cagliostro

    Hulk's thrashing of Loki.

  • April 29, 2012, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Seen it twice in Australia already....

    by AussieFan-07

    How on earth could a film like this, with so much riding on it, and so many opportunties to fail, turn out to be so fantastically good that immediatley after viewing it, you question what you have just witnessed...just BECAUSE it is so good. I have no idea why we in Australia get to see this epic masterpiece an entire week before you guys in the USA, but trust us....the wait will be worth it. I still cant believe how well it played, all the beats you want from a great night at the flicks are there......and the comedy!!! There are some quality jokes (especially Iron Man referencing things like Pilates, Galaga, Shakespeare in The Park and Rock of Ages!!!!!) laced through the whole thing. And I want a Helicarrier please.....that Takeoff Scene.............BRAVO. Still cant believe it was as good as it was....wow!!!!

  • April 29, 2012, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Maybe Marvel should hire Whedon as it's 'Movie Runner'

    by SifoDyasJr

    Sort of like he did as a show runner with Buffy, Firefly, etc., but coordinating this movie franchise. I haven't seen it yet, but all indications are that he nailed it.

  • April 29, 2012, 10:50 p.m. CST

    sunday night, we get the first review

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    Pretty sad.

  • April 29, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST

    I'll give it 4/5 stars

    by Flip63Hole

    Lagged a little in the middle on The Avenger's big Battlecraft Poseiden air-boat, but all in all it was really fun. One of the most memorable comic book films I've ever seen. Definitely more fun than Nolan's Batman stuff (though I didn't really enjoy The Dark Knight and have no intention so see the next one). ISSUES: *What was up with Cap'n America's look? I hated the J. Johnson piece of crap, but Cap'n had a pretty cool suit. In Avengers he has a pretty gay looking onesie and his hair looks kind of disco. *ScarJo was great in it, yet I never could actually register as either a Natasha or a kick ass action hero. Felt she was miscast. *Music wasn't that memorable, but definitely didn't suck. *Some lines (or lack there of) fell flat. The line (or lack there of) before the title card was a little strange. Really seemed like Jackson's character should have said SOMETHING. *The mid-section no the boat kind of lagged ~ and for a while we really don't get any scenes with or around the general public. Kind of makes you forget about what's at stake. *Some scenes were hardly subtle (but hey, it's a comic book movies). The "argument" scene comes to mind. I guess it worked, though. *Loki was a great villain, but the sub-villains were very thinly sketched out. Other than that, fun stuff. I could have used a longer cut, as long as it wasn't more stuff on the boat-plane.

  • April 29, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST

    This is a landmark movie

    by migmog

    It has one thing going for it that the Nolan Batman films do not: Superheroes doing superheroes stuff like superheroes. Let me qualify: Nolan has made a magnificent series of films but the Batman at the centre of his films is so 'realistic' that he is not Batman. Outside of the comics to me Batman: Mask of the Phantasm remains his finest outing on screen because this is a great story that captures the essence of the character perfectly The Avengers manages to capture the lightening in a bottle one scene particularly will give every fanboy here chills when Hulk fights Loki Your geek voice will say 'that's the Hulk!! This is the kind of film that folks here will see twice or more. I'm crying as I write this because I know how influential this movie will be on future films and the genre will be better for it. I have always been wary of the trend towards realism and grittiness at the expense of wonder and awe I really hope I see a live action Batman with balletic movement. forboding presence ,and supreme detective skills. When writing this the last time I went 'wow' in an actual Batman moment in a movie was when the car 'shells up' in the first one Until that time The Avengers takes it for me because it is not 'real' it's authentic

  • April 29, 2012, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Awesomness in the flesh

    by asantiago72

    I had a stronger connection with Spiderman 2, and The Dark Night is probably the Godfather of Superhero movies. But, in a scale of fun and pure awesomeness, Avengers is the new standard. And I am glad, because if this movie had sucked, it would have broken my heart! But fear not, Avengers is worth the hype and the wait. By the way, although it is not fun for Americans, I believe that the decision to open the film overseas first was a genius decision. Word of mouth from abroad is so positive, that only seriously ill people will not go to theaters this weekend. I would be surprised and dissapointed if this film does not break some opening day records...

  • April 29, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST

    The reason for the masks coming off...

    by TheBigFuckinLebowski

    ...Is because they paid to get Downey Jr. playing the part of Iron Man. They paid to have Tobey Maguire playing Spiderman. They have to show us that it is them underneath the costumes.

  • April 29, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Have they confirmed that they're gonna do Avengers 2?

    by heylookoverthere

  • April 29, 2012, 11 p.m. CST

    Almost $200 mil overseas already. Suuuck it haters.

    by Bob

    And that doesn't even include China, Russia or Japan. This movie is going to clean up! Greenlighting Avengers II is just a formality at this point. You know it's going to happen. Again. Haters. SUUUUCK IT!

  • April 29, 2012, 11:10 p.m. CST

    I feel vindicated by all the Joss Whedon ass kissing

    by johndalf greymane

    As soon as I heard Whedon was taking this, I knew it would rock like no other. No one does ensemble like he does, he cares about characters and story and how it all ties together. If I cared, Id go back and look for some of my old posts in the "flame Whedon" threads when news first broke, but I just saw something shiny!

  • So far, we've gotten gritty/real superheroes in good movies (X-Men, The Dark Knight) or retarded shit that Hollywood believes to be acceptable "because it's just a comic book, after all" (Fantastic Four, Green Lantern, a long etc.). Some movies like Spider-Man I and II or Watchmen fall somewhere in between. Superman: The Movie is a different deal, it's from a different era, and possibly the best that could've been done at the time. Starting with Iron Man, Marvel Studios seemed poised to show that a new type of superhero movie could be made: good, yet fantastic, accepting and it's source material. None of the previous movies were excellent (the best being the first Iron Man), and neither is the Avengers, but Avengers is really, really good at what it aims to be. If you don't like this movie, you don't like comic books. Period.

  • April 29, 2012, 11:17 p.m. CST

    The REAL reason the masks come off...

    by johndalf greymane

    is because the actors have it written in their contracts. Likely a percentage or ratio: character-street clothes/character-full costume/character-costume, face exposed I believe Toby got real pissy about it for spiderman 2, 3... (Im sure they were using doubles that did Spidey far better than he and he wanted to assert that HE was real Spiderman). Thats why he almost never has the full mask in place.

  • April 29, 2012, 11:23 p.m. CST

    As much as I bitched about Cap sans mask from the trailers...

    by Cagliostro

    It was a vast improvement. Now just give him ears, real wings and a black belt (anything to break up all the blue spandex and plastic) and maybe even the other Avengers will stop snickering behind his back.

  • April 29, 2012, 11:33 p.m. CST

    BUCKETHEAD50

    by DANGER_DIABOLIK_

    Yep, it has opened in Britain, and other European countries like France, Belgium, Netherlands etc...

  • April 29, 2012, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Haters...?

    by Winston Smith

    Were there haters for this movie? Everyone I know (including myself) was incredibly excited at the first announcement of Joss as director, and there was nothing but positive fan anticipation except for maybe Cap's costume and that's a detail not a major point. This film is about as hater-proof as it gets.

  • April 29, 2012, 11:35 p.m. CST

    I only read the first 6 paragraphs and the last one, and

    by adeceasedfan

    I am excited beyond comprehension. You told me everything I need to know without one bit of story detail. Thank you, I look forward to finishing this review next Saturday.

  • While I think comparing this to Nolan's Bat films is largely irrelevant (they're completely different moods and tones and different films altogether), I do ultimately agree. This film, it's SUPERHEROES. It's about awe and wonder and scope. I think the push toward ultra-realism = quality is a bad one, and in fact it hurts Nolan's films slightly because tropes and plotholes that would be easy to ignore in a more fantastical film stick out more when it's going for a feel like The Godfather. As a whole, I think The Avengers exceeded expectations and I hope upcoming films take heed of the general sense of scale and fantasy here. Fantasy doesn't have to mean goofy.

  • April 29, 2012, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Didn't lisaC predict this would bomb?

    by DrMorbius

  • April 29, 2012, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay, Michael Bay, Michael Bay

    by tempurasan

    Once again, ain't it cool finds it impossible to get through a single review of an action film without mentioning how much better this film is to a Michael Bay's film. Despite how much ain't it cool hates Michael Bay, his name sure gets thrown around a lot, almost to an obsessive level. Can you just review a goddamn movie without a Michael Bay comparison. I get it! you don't like Michael Bay.

  • April 29, 2012, 11:46 p.m. CST

    I remember posts bitching that Whedon would have everyone doing snark

    by johndalf greymane

    teen valspeak, and hipster reference... Fuck Whedon came up a lot. I suppose its a personal failing that I remember the trolls more than all else.

  • April 29, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Kaaaaaaa-Chiiinnnggg!!!

    by conspiracy

    Right now there is a suit orgy of epic proportions going on in Burbank...; Smart Acquisition Mr.Iger, very smart.

  • April 29, 2012, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Hawkeye is a character I could have seen less of

    by Bass Ackwards

    Hawkeye wasn't someone I wanted to get to know, I'm glad we didn't spend any time on a character arc for him.

  • April 29, 2012, 11:58 p.m. CST

    sifodyasjr

    by Bass Ackwards

    That'd be a brilliant move. I agree with Nordling, I can't see any other filmmaker that is as uniquely qualified to have pulled off the Avengers as Whedon, post-Avengers, I think the movies/series needs the guidance of an overseeing storyteller to continue to be worthwhile (who wants to go back to watching Captain America fistfights after this?), Whedon again seems uniquely qualified for the role.

  • They could sidestep this completely, but I think the sequel could be called Avengers Phase II... and I wonder if Coulson and the tesseract tech SHIELD were working on make...Vision??? or Ultron or something? And I wonder if this mystery last scene which so far hasn't appeared yet (and might appear for the US debut) might allude to that?

  • April 30, 2012, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Great movie, great review!

    by DidntPullOutInTimeCop

    5/5 stars from me! It felt like I just picked up an awesome tpb and the pictures came to life.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:14 a.m. CST

    WHEDON SUCKS!!!! THE AVENGERS WILL BOMB!!!

    by MARCEL_THE_NEGRO_PROJECTIONIST

    Just wanted to see how it feels to walk in those Trolling, Hater shoes...

  • April 30, 2012, 12:20 a.m. CST

    im calling it-highest grossing movie of all time

    by HASBEER_WILLCHEET

  • April 30, 2012, 12:46 a.m. CST

    thats the thing about my secret Cap IM ALWAYS ANGRY

    by javery56

  • April 30, 2012, 12:53 a.m. CST

    I saw it on Friday night in Melbourne.

    by MONKEY BUTT

    The one thing I was impressed with among others, was the 3D. Now that the cinemas here (Village) are clearly using digital projectors, the 3D is much brighter and crisper. I used to hate 3D, but I think I'm coming around. The movie is heaps of fun and Hulk definitely steals the show. Personally, this review overdoes the praise. I thought the pacing was quite slow, especially in the first half and the tone was oddly inconsistent. But yeah, if I was kid, this movie would freakin' blow my mind.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:59 a.m. CST

    P.S.

    by MONKEY BUTT

    Way too much screen time was spent on Black Widow and Hawkeye. It was consistently a stretch to believe they were capable of holding their own in this universe. There's one scene in particular in the last act with Black Widow, that just pushed it too far.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:04 a.m. CST

    I want to go to there.

    by Felix

  • April 30, 2012, 1:04 a.m. CST

    I am trying so hard not to download and watch the CAM rip.

    by Gabe Athouse

    I don't know if I can wait, though.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Defintely wait.

    by MONKEY BUTT

    Half the pleasure of this movie is seeing it in its 3D digital glory.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:11 a.m. CST

    hey monkey butt...

    by AussieFan-07

    Im in Melbourne too and saw it in 2D on Friday Night at "Village" Doncaster. That was the first time I had seen Village Cinema actually PROJECT a film in 2D DIGITALLY......all other times I've been recently has been obviously film projection. God damn it is so clear....which Village was yours?

  • April 30, 2012, 1:22 a.m. CST

    I call bullshit

    by KGB3317

    "I’m certain that some 10-year-old child, boy or girl, is going to see this and say, “I want to do that,” and make something amazing in 20 years. Like STAR WARS, or LORD OF THE RINGS, THE AVENGERS has a transporting power" How can you put The Avengers in that trio if it's score is unmemorable? Scores are another part of the perfect storm of movie-making. For a film to not have a memorable score automatically takes it down a notch in my book.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Better than Dark Knight?

    by Relentless85

    I have trouble believing that.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:24 a.m. CST

    hank henshaw - define "like"

    by BlueLando

    I liked it fine. Just don't think it's 'the best thing ever.' And I own close to 1,000 comics, so I'd say it's not because I'm not a comic-book fan!

  • He's just had fun and not worried about justifying everything. These days everyone is so concerned about making everything realistic and believable. Whedon has taken the opposite approach and he makes no apologies for it. It's such a ridiculous scenario but you don't care because you're enjoying it so much. It's one of the few movies I've seen recently where once it'f finished you just wanna go straight back in and watch it again.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:28 a.m. CST

    halfbreedqueen2

    by BlueLando

    I don't know about that... Batman seems pretty superhero-like to me. He goes all the way to another country and manages to grab an evil accountant, and get him all the way back to Gotham so he can be arrested... he saves Gotham twice and the second time sacrifices his good name so the city can endure... and by The Dark Knight he's so bad-ass that he deals with the secondary villain from the last film within the first ten minutes. Sure he's not fighting aliens and shit like that... but he's still the best Batman we've had in live-action because of the sheer 'holy crap' city saving achievements he repeatedly undergoes.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:29 a.m. CST

    aussiefan-07

    by MONKEY BUTT

    Jam Factory. It's amazing isn't it? It looks like Village has gone full-on digital. I saw John Carter there too, which really turned me around on 3D. The 3D dimness when they used film, no longer appears to be an issue. But it's still not perfect. The glasses are still a little annoying and the frame rate isn't high enough. There's a little too much jitter with fast movement. Especially when things are flying around. But it was still pretty cool. P.S. I'd love to know what resolution it was. Could it be 4K? It looked pretty darn good. If it was only 2K, I'd be amazed.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Black Widow was enhanced by S.H.I.E.L.D. and belongs in the Avengers

    by Queefer Sutherland

    She was a member in the comics, as was Hawkeye, and they deserve to be in the film. As for Black Widow, government treatments slowed her aging and increased her immune system, and her physical abilities were enhanced as well. Damn, guys, she ran around with Daredevil and held her own with him. Obviously she's more than mere human. So shut the fuck up and go clamp your mouths on your mothers' stubbly twats.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:44 a.m. CST

    No hyperbole here. It's a staggeringly good movie.

    by Gabba-UK

    Maybe nostalgia prevents me for saying its better than Donner's Superman or Nolans The Dark Knight but it's a bloody close thing. And the Hulk fucking owns this movie.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:47 a.m. CST

    kgb33 - what were the scores Spielberg was inspired by?

    by antonphd

    in the movies that he watched that made him want to make movies. a movie doesn't have to be perfect to inspire great filmmakers. it has to touch people in a profound way. for me, the Avengers is fun, but it won't do that. but if i were a 10 year old... your damn straight it would. i still remember the movies that inspired me as a kid. now i direct video games. although... probably the biggest movie influence on me as a kid in regards to creativity was Superman 2 and the scenes where Clark would rip open his shirt as he changed into Superman and that music that played was what i was hearing in my head everytime i ripped open my church shirt to reveal my superman t shirt. so, maybe you are right for some people, but i can't believe that it's true for everyone.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:48 a.m. CST

    This is this generation's Raiders. It really is that good.

    by Volllllume3

    And it's much much better then the Dark Knight. Joss Whedon made Nolan his bitch.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:49 a.m. CST

    also loved that scene in the Spiderman tv movie

    by antonphd

    where he crawls down the wall of the prison. god. the ways i probably almost died playing Spiderman as a kid.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Damn near in tears reading this....

    by bingolong

    Friday can't come any sooner!!!

  • April 30, 2012, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Spoiler free review

    by Perceptor

    I would have liked a spoiler free review or at least a heads up that Nordling had loose lips.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Reviews full of hyperbole (SPOILERS)

    by tomdolan04

    It is very good but I echo the sentiments of a few on here - the tone is inconsistent and the 'argument' on the helicarrier is very 'soap opera' ish that feels very contrived to create the 'oh we need an end of a second act' where we can put our differences aside for the start of the third. I don't agree with the Coulsen death but understand dramatically it makes sense to have it where it fell, but that in itself feels quite clinical and manipulative. Plus I wanted to see more of him :) <p> However I do conceed that for a non-fan of Whedon he's done a good job and more than what was needed. Since in the last 45 min there's a lot of CG of Aliens that were pretty much videogame fodder, the challenge of keeping the audience involved was pretty high - but they did it. The humour (which I've had previous issues with Whedon) was very well judged and do agree the balance of roles and duties never feel like the Iron Man show which I walked in feeling it would be. <p> Incidentally - their is a very good cam rip of this going around the internets. However every person I've spoken to whose seen it, is still planning to re-see it in the next few days in the cinema. This one WILL be pirate proof. <p> Tis very good and if I was young it would indeed blow my mind. Just brace yourself for a bit of soap opera before you get to the meat (and I don't even mean the action as such). PUNY GOD!

  • April 30, 2012, 2 a.m. CST

    saw it in Austria yesterday and thought it was okay

    by ratpack223

    The movie has many flaws, but if you liked the Marvel Studio stuff up to this point, you will not be disappointed. Saw the Spidey trailer in 3D and man, does that costume suck!!!

  • April 30, 2012, 2:02 a.m. CST

    As good as Raiders?

    by MONKEY BUTT

    It's a fun romp, but to say it's constructed as well as a film with the talent of Spielberg and John Williams at their kick-ass peaks, is a little bit much. Its greatest weakness is the balancing act of so many huge characters. Whedon did an amazing job considering how difficult that clearly would be, but it does affect the tone and pacing in acts one and two. Also, the score is a touch cheesy and utterly forgettable. The Raiders score is a masterpiece from start to finish. I could listen to every track on the Raiders soundtrack like I was listening to an album like any other, it's that good.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:03 a.m. CST

    And yes, CAP's custume looks like shit

    by ratpack223

    don't understand why they did this to him. Did Whedon's wife design this?

  • April 30, 2012, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Thanos

    by medster101

    Need I say more

  • April 30, 2012, 2:10 a.m. CST

    why does europe get it first?????????

    by danny rose

  • April 30, 2012, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Stop reading gushing fanboy reviews. The movie is great but...

    by Fortunesfool

    This review, and the many others which will follow, is just crazy talk. Anyone who thinks it could have been improved by a Michael Giachino score needs to get out more often. The Avengers is, first and foremost, beautifully written - full of lovely character beats, wit and intelligence. This alone makes it an anomaly amongst summer blockbusters. Whedon understands that we rewatch movies for the little 'moments' not the endless explosions. When you leave the cinema you remember Steve Rodgers passing Fury a ten dollar note, or the 'guy playing Galaga', not the city destroying aliens. It's shot and directed in a very classical, no nonsense way. There's no MTV spaz outs or shaky-cam rubbish in here. Some people will (and i've read this elsewhere) consider this badly made for this reason. That makes me sad. It's not a prefect film, but it's a movie of many joys, and one you will return to again and again. We all owe Joss a beer.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:21 a.m. CST

    re: As good as raiders.

    by Volllllume3

    I'm saying that because of the emotional connection this movie has on people ranging from young kids to adults to seniors. Everybody walked out of the theatre knowing that they had just seen something very very special. It's a landmark when it comes to action adventures. Just as Raiders was.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:21 a.m. CST

    SPOILERS.

    by MONKEY BUTT

    Setting almost the entire movie (seemingly) aboard the hellicarrier was rather sterile and confining. I wish there were more exterior locations and the overall scope was larger. Plus, there were many times the last act reminded me a hell of a lot of the third acts of Transformers 1 and 3. I thought Thor got stiffed too. He had little to do. Black Widow had way too much screen time. But sadly, Johansson's apparent "star quality" dictates such things in Hollywood movies. I would've loved to have seen Thor kicking more ass, than a chick jumping around with a tiny pistol often bordering on looking silly. There were some sniggers in my screening when she fired that little thing, a couple of times.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:22 a.m. CST

    It's better than The Dark Knight in my book...

    by Fortunesfool

    I thought the Dark Knight was overlong and took itself too seriously. Nolan's action scenes are clumsy and the dialogue consists of little more than people making statements. The Avengers is none of those things.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:22 a.m. CST

    In the UK last Thursday

    by pearlanddean

    Saw it and loved it, 3D was clear, bright and unobtrusive. As for the mid-credits sequence, the dickhead teenagers behind me said 'Hey, it's Hellboy!' <sigh>

  • April 30, 2012, 2:23 a.m. CST

    The morons who hated on this and Whedon from the start, look pretty stupid right now

    by Talkbacker with no name

    O ye, of little faith. Saw it friday and it's insanely good. Now shut up and eat your humble pie, while the rest of us watch a great movie in peace from all your moronic yapping.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:25 a.m. CST

    dannyboy1954, because talkbackers here hated on it so much

    by Talkbacker with no name

    So Marvel said, "fuck them! we will give it to the rest of the world and these spoiled little kids can wait!" ....true story.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:29 a.m. CST

    SOUNDTRACK AND SEQUEL(S) - SPOILERS-

    by Ralph Scifaretto

    Saw it on Friday night. I had some issues with the first half. Uneven pace and floppy storytelling. Luckily, it all finally comes together. The second half is mesmerizing. The climax of the movie (involving Tony Stark) is one of the best scenes I've seen in a Hollywood film in ages and probably the best moment in a superhero film ever. It's funny to read the reviews of Spanish critics (usually very snob and condescending towards the genre): they cannot take it too seriously but you can see that they have enjoyed the film a lot. I haven't seen their cynism so exposed ever. Whedon says that his cut was 3 hours long and had to cut it down to please the studio. I guess the pacing issues are related to that. Hope it's out on Blu. I don' understand the hate for Silvestri's work. I personally think the main theme is iconic. Just wait till you see the last scene and the credits. You'll agree with me for sure. Regarding the sequels, the aftercredits hint that the first one will probably be an adaptation of The infinity gauntlet and the second one, Civil War (actually, the characterizations of Stark and Rogers seem to go towards that, long term). Can't wait.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:31 a.m. CST

    relentless85, believe it. The Avengers is that GOOD!...

    by victor_von_gloom

    It's everything a movie based on a comic book should be +, be honest, never in your wildest dreams did you or for that matter anyone else think that we would ever see a big budgeted AVENGERS movie in our lifetime...And not just that, but a big budgeted AVENGERS movie done RIGHT! - We're truly livin' in blessed times. IN JOSS WE TRUST!

  • April 30, 2012, 2:34 a.m. CST

    fortunesfool

    by MONKEY BUTT

    Absolutley. By no way do I wish to compare the quality of The Avengers to any Michael Bay snore-fest. Just visually due to the setting, it was reminiscent. That's all.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:34 a.m. CST

    monkey butt, Thor had little to do!?

    by Talkbacker with no name

    apart from the awesome kidnap of Loki from the Avengers, his exciting fight with Iron Man, his sibling rivalry with his brother and the epic fight with the HULK you mean? Sure, you can wish for more of one person than another, but everyone gets a fair shake in this movie (Loki quite literally).

  • April 30, 2012, 2:35 a.m. CST

    I HATE JOSS WHEDON (Spoilers)

    by captainxenu

    Like the subject says, I hate the hell out of this guy. I think the only two decent things that he had been apart of were the original Buffy movie, and that's because they changed it from his original idea, and Firefly. But in saying that. HE HAS NAILED THIS MOVIE. There are so many ways that this movie could have failed, but somehow didn't. Plot threads from five movies over four different franchises, and it somehow sticks together to be a better movie because of them. Ruffalo is the best depiction of Bruce Banner since Bill Bixby, and if he continues the role into a new Hulk movie and more Avengers films, then I say that he will probably be remembered as the best portrayal. He isn't just at odds with "the other guy" inside himself, he is at odds with himself over whether he should let the Hulk out. His relevation about how he hadn't changed for over a year is awesome, and is the point where you realise that they truly finally nailed the character for a movie. He steals the movie as far as I am concerned. Any critic that says otherwise and says that Downey Jnr and Iron Man are the highlight is an idiot. Thor and Captain America were similar in that they were not apart of this world. The delight and sadness you feel when Cap has no idea about things like Galaga, but then picks up a reference about flying monkeys and gets happy about it is excellent. Thor going into a speech about being weary of Loki, since he is still an Asgardian and is still his brother, to be knocked down a second later about Loki murdering people, only to reply with "he's adopted?" is excellent. Thor has probably as many laughs in this movie as the Hulk, but still... neither of them are a joke. A few things I am pumped about coming out of the movie? - They need to do a SHIELD movie with Fury, Maria Hill, Hawkeye and Black Widow. None of the characters as constructed for this movie universe could hold a film by themselves. Simple as that. Together, it would be like watching a well lubricated engine running. - A new Hulk movie with Ruffalo. Hulk was awesome in this. He was the hero, he was the comic relief, he was the emotional core. - They've opened the mystical, so damnit... give us the Mandarin as the villain in Iron Man 3. If you have someone of the caliber of Sir Ben Kingsley in your movie, and he is not playing THE arch nemesis of your character... THEN FUCK YOU. GIVE UP. But yeah. Great movie. Hate Whedon still, but at least he's given me something to respect him with now.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:37 a.m. CST

    That guy's playing Galaga.

    by Voice O. Reason

  • April 30, 2012, 2:38 a.m. CST

    talkbacker with no name

    by MONKEY BUTT

    I guess you have a point. Thor had a lot of action, but there were few moments of any poignancy. He was such a rich an enjoyable character in his own movie. He felt a little relegated in this.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:38 a.m. CST

    A word of warning...

    by Fortunesfool

    The opening twenty minutes or so is all over the place. Lots of exposition and clunky action. I was getting a bit worried at the start. Once they start getting the team together though it's all gold.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:43 a.m. CST

    @monkeybutt - Couldn't agree more...

    by Fortunesfool

    Didn't word my response very well. I wasn't having a dig at you. I had the same feeling that I was watching the end of Transformers 3 again but this time I wasn't trying to claw my way out of the cinema :)

  • April 30, 2012, 2:44 a.m. CST

    Can someone confirm this spoiler for me please!

    by Talkbacker with no name

    As much as I enjoyed the movie, I had some little cunts behind me talking all the way through it, so I missed the secret Banner reveals right before he changes. What was it?

  • April 30, 2012, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Talkbacker

    by tomdolan04

    Do you mean before the final fight in the city. Banner says 'I'm always angry' then transforms. If you mean on the helicarrier I'm not sure.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:46 a.m. CST

    @Talkbacker (spoiler)

    by Fortunesfool

    "I'm always angry"

  • April 30, 2012, 2:46 a.m. CST

    monkey butt, yeah I guess I can see where you are coming from

    by Talkbacker with no name

    It was a tough juggling act. The good news is there will be more :)

  • April 30, 2012, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Incidentally Talkbacker

    by tomdolan04

    The scene with the Hulk directly after 'I'm always angry' - amazing. <p> I'm very happy with the reverence and extreme power in which they gave Hulk in the movie. The Hulk as a character can be quite one note done in the wrong hands, but seriously - Ruffalo / Hulk almost steal the show and considering his chequered recent movie history compared to the rest, thats bloody impressive

  • April 30, 2012, 2:50 a.m. CST

    buckethead50 thanks *spoilers*

    by Talkbacker with no name

    ah right. So he can change at will? That's what I gathered, but why did he change and go after Black Widow? it seemed like he was made angry and turned out of his control. He tried to take her fucking head off haha

  • April 30, 2012, 2:50 a.m. CST

    fortunesfool (possible spoilers)

    by MONKEY BUTT

    No problem. My original post wasn't worded properly either. I totally agree about the opening. It was so clunky, bordering on dull. How lame was the opening scene and the yawn of a car chase? Another thing that disappointed me was the sound. Some of the larger sounds were amazing, but sounds like gunshots and smaller effects were very light and too soft. Ben Burtt was sorely needed.

  • It is uncommented upon and has me quizzical

  • April 30, 2012, 2:54 a.m. CST

    fortunesfool

    by Talkbacker with no name

    ah that's the one :) thanks.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:56 a.m. CST

    tomdolan04, agreed

    by Talkbacker with no name

    Out of all of them, I want a new Ruffalo / Hulk movie more than any other right now!

  • April 30, 2012, 3:04 a.m. CST

    My impression of the flick (spoilers)

    by Jay Jay

    I saw this is Ireland today (3D). I loved The Avengers. Very solid flick, albeit with a slightly saggy middle. Whedon does an amazing job of juggling the characters and staging the action (which you can actually FOLLOW and TELL WHAT'S GOING ON) unlike, oh, that fucking Transformers muck. The effects were pretty much perfect. In fact, I think it's some of ILM's finest work to date and that's saying something. It was interesting watching Superman II and Avengers on the big screen in the same week. Both films feature a battle in a big city (well, both New York I suppose) between superheroes and supervillains and are seperated by over 30 years of progress in special effects - and boy does it show. One interesting afterthought - any films featuring Marvel charatcers by themselves from this point on (Iron Man 3, Thor 2, Hulk Smashes Shit) are going to feel like small potatoes. And if they do a sequel (and I'm sure they will) how are they going to top THAT??? Awesome.

  • April 30, 2012, 3:05 a.m. CST

    pollaxt

    by Talkbacker with no name

    He just changed it when they tooled up for the final act. Made by s.h.i.e.l.d at a guess.

  • April 30, 2012, 3:10 a.m. CST

    @talkbacker with no name

    by captainxenu

    I figured that when he changes of his own free will, he can control the Hulk. But before he chases Black Widow, he got hurt and this caused him to change and thus was not in control. It isn't just anger that changes Banner into the Hulk. Anger, emotional distress and hurting himself (when he admits trying to kill himself) can change him.

  • April 30, 2012, 3:11 a.m. CST

    @monkeybutt

    by Fortunesfool

    Oh God, the Transformers opening voice over narration/exposition. I've seen it twice and still managed to forget that. Just shows how good the rest of the movie is.

  • April 30, 2012, 3:15 a.m. CST

    captainxenu

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Start sucking dicks one after the other and don't stop until you drown on cum.

  • April 30, 2012, 3:19 a.m. CST

    MY AVENGERS REVIEW: its not that good...only the final act!

    by DeineHinokischeSigile

    finally its here the second most anticipated comic movie of the year, well of course after “the dark knight rises”. first of all forgive me if I nearly write it all small, I`m lazy when it comes to use of capital small/ big initial letters and second I live in germany so if my grammar isnt always on track be nice, but I try my best to make it work. man I tried not to die for almost 5 years since I heared marvel is going to do “the avengers” film and they would start with a great “iron man” movie and its been a long road isnt it. the first “iron man” had it all in a comic movie universe wise, it was pure fun and had the resurrection of robert downey jr. this was a one man show and a great one. sadly the second movie even with a good cast was a disaster. “the incredible hulk” gave us the best “hulk” movie yet and I`m still pissed edward norton isnt in the avengers. “thor” was surprisingly good thanks to the likes of kenneth branagh. even though I`m still pretty unimpressed with the end fight or better said the last third of the film. about “captain america…I know the reaction of fans here at aint it cool news were mixed, one half loved that flick and the other half not, you can count me in the other half. I really hoped for the best but cap didn’t deliver it for me. in my opinion they should have made the cap movie more like the “ultimate avengers” animated movie, less cap alone, more in the avengers initiative. In the end i think its the weakest movie with “iron man 2”. Its like I knew it right away I wasn’t even in the cinema to see cap, the trailer didn’t work for me, same goes to “green lantern” which was the worst superhero movie since well “catwoman” with halle berry. sometimes I smell a bomb miles away…but I will not compare dc with marvel, I wont…now lets get to the good and bad. the movie: its fun, entertaining like the first “iron man” but only when robert downey is in the scene, except two moments belong to hulk, watch the thor & loki scenes, brilliant! the whole movie looks more like a iron man and friends film, the first and the second third are pretty well lets say it nice “weak”. the best part in those thirds were the iron man vs thor vs cap fight and I mean I´m a sucker for scarlets body & face but I really don’t need to see her that much in a superhero movie doing all buffy again. thor and hulk were pretty wasted in the movie and captain america is too well, serious. hawkeye is doing his “mi4” performance again and nick fury, come on is there really a nick fury fan outthere? loki wasn’t a surprise I think tom hiddleston did a hell of a job being the bad guy in “thor” and in “avengers” in my opinion the only actor who was acting seriously in a superhero movie. the last third is worth all the money you will spend on this flick its like superhero mayhem its like a mix of “transformers – dark of the moon” ( the last act) and “x-men 3” (the last act) well that written I know something stinks right? but come on what did you expect “the dark knight” wrong director, wrong writer, wrong movie. “the avengers” isnt the mother of superhero movies, its more like “transformers” with real people. they fight, break stuff and make jokes. there were moments I really thought michael bay had done the movie and not joss whedon. in the end the movie is good for what it is, not brilliant but I didn’t expect it to be “the dark knight”. In the end it will make a lots of money so we will see another part. directing: after i heared joss whedon is going to direct i cheered for about some seconds, cus yeah i`m one of those buffy/angel heads but not a blind believer. not everything the man did was magic, art or something like that. I think he did some great episodes in buffy with stuff like “the body”, “hush” and “once more with feeling” and i liked the “serentiy” movie. well directing wise its not much for a belt isnt it? we know he is a good writer, well…about the avengers maybe some of you will find those pure whedon moments, I couldn’t. I mean this movie could have been done by jon favreau, michael bay or louis leterrier and anyone who says he sees the difference must be a greater movie fan or critic than me. I couldn’t see a trade mark or a special handwriting. I wont spoil anything cus many of you allready expect someone important to die...well is it that necessary in the first avengers movie? if its not iron man or cap, its not a surprise, why even bother? direcing wise I didn’t see joss anywhere I was pretty disappointed. the acting: there were moments I really didn’t need thor, hulk or cap…damn it was all the way robert downey who made me want to see another “iron man” film but a good one. like I said it’s a one man show again for robert, but on the other side there is tom hiddleston he is perfect as loki. the rest is doing auto pilot superhero roles. the effects: I`m grateful that we live in times were flying and shoting laser beams look so real, here again they did a fantastic job with the iron man suit and the hulk transformation etc but I know I will be one of the few who like “the incredible hulk” more than this “avengers” hulk. the aliens look cool and if hulk is doing the goods its looks smashing. the 3d. its not worth the price, I had a feeling like only 10 % of the movie was in 3d and honestly I don’t get it, I don’t need this kind of 3d. still til this date “avatar” was the only movie worth the 3d. the writing: the story… its not innovated, in the end its not shakespeare, it has a lot of oneliners. the score: alan silvestri pretty dissapointing score by mister silvestri, sadly. here is my current top 10 comic movie ranking, without separating pure superhero comic movies or graphic novel adaptations, I mean if they have costumes, masks or make up on or wont die even if they`ve been shot a million times, they must be super, “heroes” or at least something like that right?!;) 1. the dark knight 2. v for vendetta 3. spiderman 2 4. batman begins 5. iron man 6. x-men 2 & x-men first class 7. the crow 8. sin city 9. avengers 10. superman the movie (cant help it, i was a child when i saw it first, still love it) well at least we still have “the dark knight rises” to show hollywood how to make brilliant superhero movies...they drew first blood, arc engel out. ps: wait til the credits end…you know why and I know you will!;)

  • April 30, 2012, 3:20 a.m. CST

    captainxenu & buckethead50

    by Talkbacker with no name

    captainxenu, ok yeah that would make sense. If he changes of free will he has a kind of control on it. buckethead50, what was the shot of his eyes? Ha I so need to see this movie again. As I say, I was very distracted by little idiots behind me.

  • April 30, 2012, 3:20 a.m. CST

    AVENGERS REVIEW READ THIS!

    by DeineHinokischeSigile

    finally its here the second most anticipated comic movie of the year, well of course after “the dark knight rises”. first of all forgive me if I nearly write it all small, I`m lazy when it comes to use of capital small/ big initial letters and second I live in germany so if my grammar isnt always on track be nice, but I try my best to make it work. man I tried not to die for almost 5 years since I heared marvel is going to do “the avengers” film and they would start with a great “iron man” movie and its been a long road isnt it. the first “iron man” had it all in a comic movie universe wise, it was pure fun and had the resurrection of robert downey jr. this was a one man show and a great one. sadly the second movie even with a good cast was a disaster. “the incredible hulk” gave us the best “hulk” movie yet and I`m still pissed edward norton isnt in the avengers. “thor” was surprisingly good thanks to the likes of kenneth branagh. even though I`m still pretty unimpressed with the end fight or better said the last third of the film. about “captain america…I know the reaction of fans here at aint it cool news were mixed, one half loved that flick and the other half not, you can count me in the other half. I really hoped for the best but cap didn’t deliver it for me. in my opinion they should have made the cap movie more like the “ultimate avengers” animated movie, less cap alone, more in the avengers initiative. In the end i think its the weakest movie with “iron man 2”. Its like I knew it right away I wasn’t even in the cinema to see cap, the trailer didn’t work for me, same goes to “green lantern” which was the worst superhero movie since well “catwoman” with halle berry. sometimes I smell a bomb miles away…but I will not compare dc with marvel, I wont…now lets get to the good and bad. the movie: its fun, entertaining like the first “iron man” but only when robert downey is in the scene, except two moments belong to hulk, watch the thor & loki scenes, brilliant! the whole movie looks more like a iron man and friends film, the first and the second third are pretty well lets say it nice “weak”. the best part in those thirds were the iron man vs thor vs cap fight and I mean I´m a sucker for scarlets body & face but I really don’t need to see her that much in a superhero movie doing all buffy again. thor and hulk were pretty wasted in the movie and captain america is too well, serious. hawkeye is doing his “mi4” performance again and nick fury, come on is there really a nick fury fan outthere? loki wasn’t a surprise I think tom hiddleston did a hell of a job being the bad guy in “thor” and in “avengers” in my opinion the only actor who was acting seriously in a superhero movie. the last third is worth all the money you will spend on this flick its like superhero mayhem its like a mix of “transformers – dark of the moon” ( the last act) and “x-men 3” (the last act) well that written I know something stinks right? but come on what did you expect “the dark knight” wrong director, wrong writer, wrong movie. “the avengers” isnt the mother of superhero movies, its more like “transformers” with real people. they fight, break stuff and make jokes. there were moments I really thought michael bay had done the movie and not joss whedon. in the end the movie is good for what it is, not brilliant but I didn’t expect it to be “the dark knight”. In the end it will make a lots of money so we will see another part. directing: after i heared joss whedon is going to direct i cheered for about some seconds, cus yeah i`m one of those buffy/angel heads but not a blind believer. not everything the man did was magic, art or something like that. I think he did some great episodes in buffy with stuff like “the body”, “hush” and “once more with feeling” and i liked the “serentiy” movie. well directing wise its not much for a belt isnt it? we know he is a good writer, well…about the avengers maybe some of you will find those pure whedon moments, I couldn’t. I mean this movie could have been done by jon favreau, michael bay or louis leterrier and anyone who says he sees the difference must be a greater movie fan or critic than me. I couldn’t see a trade mark or a special handwriting. I wont spoil anything cus many of you allready expect someone important to die...well is it that necessary in the first avengers movie? if its not iron man or cap, its not a surprise, why even bother? direcing wise I didn’t see joss anywhere I was pretty disappointed. the acting: there were moments I really didn’t need thor, hulk or cap…damn it was all the way robert downey who made me want to see another “iron man” film but a good one. like I said it’s a one man show again for robert, but on the other side there is tom hiddleston he is perfect as loki. the rest is doing auto pilot superhero roles. the effects: I`m grateful that we live in times were flying and shoting laser beams look so real, here again they did a fantastic job with the iron man suit and the hulk transformation etc but I know I will be one of the few who like “the incredible hulk” more than this “avengers” hulk. the aliens look cool and if hulk is doing the goods its looks smashing. the 3d. its not worth the price, I had a feeling like only 10 % of the movie was in 3d and honestly I don’t get it, I don’t need this kind of 3d. still til this date “avatar” was the only movie worth the 3d. the writing: the story… its not innovated, in the end its not shakespeare, it has a lot of oneliners. the score: alan silvestri pretty dissapointing score by mister silvestri, sadly. here is my current top 10 comic movie ranking, without separating pure superhero comic movies or graphic novel adaptations, I mean if they have costumes, masks or make up on or wont die even if they`ve been shot a million times, they must be super, “heroes” or at least something like that right?!;) 1. the dark knight 2. v for vendetta 3. spiderman 2 4. batman begins 5. iron man 6. x-men 2 & x-men first class 7. the crow 8. sin city 9. avengers 10. superman the movie (cant help it, i was a child when i saw it first, still love it) well at least we still have “the dark knight rises” to show hollywood how to make brilliant superhero movies...they drew first blood, arc engel out. ps: wait til the credits end…you know why and I know you will!;)

  • April 30, 2012, 3:21 a.m. CST

    there is no joss whedon in this its a michael bay movie!

    by DeineHinokischeSigile

  • April 30, 2012, 3:21 a.m. CST

    anyone who doesnt likes bay movies shouldnt say he loves the avengers!

    by DeineHinokischeSigile

  • April 30, 2012, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Really?

    by captainxenu

    Disappointed you didn't tell me to suck on a bag of dicks.

  • April 30, 2012, 3:24 a.m. CST

    well michael bay isnt also tryin to be realistic

    by DeineHinokischeSigile

  • April 30, 2012, 3:24 a.m. CST

    so does it make him a good director, no!

    by DeineHinokischeSigile

  • April 30, 2012, 3:25 a.m. CST

    My Review, should you care.

    by Fortunesfool

    The Dirty (half) Dozen meets the Marvel Universe. That’s it in a nutshell. Get the team together. let them squabble. Send them on a mission. The culmination of Marvel’s movie experiment has finally landed and, against all the odds, is the best by far. I gave a sigh of relief when Joss Whedon was announced as the man calling the shots. Even more so when Zak Penn’s screenplay was mostly binned and Joss got to work with the words. If Whedon knows one thing, it’s how to write multi character pieces and he delivers big time here. Things get off to a shaky start with an exposition heavy, clunky opening which had me struggling to recall the events in Thor and Captain America and pondering the weird framing choices - lots of eyelines too far up the screen. About twenty minutes later though, my initial reservations were gone. Once Nick Fury (Samuel L jackson) and the ever brilliant Agent Coulson (Clark Gregg) start getting the team together the movie ratchets up a few notches, the gears start ticking over and it’s full steam ahead. One memorable scene follows another and you’re soon struggling to remember Tony Stark putdowns as they come too fast to keep up (“No hard feelings Point Break” to Thor is a doozy though). And then there’s the Hulk. The movie was always gonna stand or fall on how well the Hulk was integrated. Fear not. Some of the most crowd-pleasing (and funny) scenes in the movie are Hulk-centric and he works a charm. Whedon makes sure that all the characters get their time to shine though so it’s not just the Tony Stark and Hulk show. Tom Hiddleston has a lot of fun with his ‘big bad’ Loki and gets some great verbal tete a tetes with assorted Avengers. Safe to say that the Hulk gets the last word though ☺ With the Avengers finally assembled, the action begins to pick up with an extended second act set piece leading towards the exhilarating final showdown against Loki and his army of alien … things. If I had to pick a fault in the film (other than the clunky opening) it’s the villians. Fun though Loki is, he’s just a bit of an arse and not particularly ‘evil’ and the alien army is little more than CG cannon fodder for out heroes to smack about at the end. Not that you’ll care though, as you’ll be having too much fun. Technically, it’s top notch across the board. Whedon stages his action scenes with clarity and editing in mind. The action flows as opposed to assaults. Cinematography is clean and crisp. The 3D is superfluous but still looked good in the IMAX screening I attended. Alan Silvestri’s score is disappointingly bland and lacks the bombastic themes and motif’s that the film deserves. Okay, lets be realistic here. It’s not a modern masterpiece. It’s not gonna be dissected in film schools across the world. It is, however, a solid, supremely entertaining, beautifully crafted bit of escapist fun. The kind of movie you always want from a big Hollywood blockbuster but hardly ever get. If you’re not a fan of superhero movies, and haven’t been following the Marvel movie universe so far, this isn’t for you. If you’re a certified movie/comic book geek then prepare for a sore face because your gonna be grinning from ear to ear for the best part of two hours.

  • April 30, 2012, 3:37 a.m. CST

    engel, if you have seen Serenity

    by Talkbacker with no name

    and the Avengers and still can't see a whedon film making style, then...um...dunno what to say, man. Watch them again? The hell carrier stuff and onboard the firefly ship, is a good example of his style shooting multiple characters having witty conversations back and forth. Also, the Chitauri reminded me quite a bit of the Reavers from Serenity in the way they looked and were shot. P.S. I hate Bay movies, but loved The Avengers...um..what happens now?

  • April 30, 2012, 3:46 a.m. CST

    NukeTheFridge.com has a real review

    by bill tonny

  • April 30, 2012, 3:46 a.m. CST

    NukeTheFridge.com has a real review

    by bill tonny

  • April 30, 2012, 3:46 a.m. CST

    NukeTheFridge.com has a real review

    by bill tonny

  • April 30, 2012, 3:46 a.m. CST

    People that knock ANT-MAN have miniaturized imaginations.

    by the Green Gargantua

    Yup, I did that. The world of Hank Pym is incredibly interesting.

  • April 30, 2012, 3:57 a.m. CST

    They copied Independence Day's ending!

    by bill tonny

  • April 30, 2012, 4:03 a.m. CST

    The copied the opening and the ending to Transformers 3...

    by Fortunesfool

    It's a testament to how good Avengers is that you don't really notice, or care.

  • April 30, 2012, 4:05 a.m. CST

    I cared and the movie sucked

    by bill tonny

  • April 30, 2012, 4:13 a.m. CST

    blly_bill, you haven't seen it

    by Talkbacker with no name

  • April 30, 2012, 4:22 a.m. CST

    No review can do this movie any justice.

    by Jack

    No matter how hyperbolic you may think this review is,cthe truth is that it's cooled down. It doesn't even start to scratch the surface. The Avengers is your childhood dreams alive. It's an instant classic, epic to beginning to end and some. It's blockbuster cinema at its finest. The Avengers is the best movie I've ever seen and the best movie theater experienced. This is stuff of legends. I'm calling it right now, just like Star Wars, we talk about blockbuster movies as 'Before The Avengers' and 'After The Avengers'. And I'mstill not doing this movie any justice.

  • April 30, 2012, 4:23 a.m. CST

    fortunesfool

    by MONKEY BUTT

    Very nice review, indeed. "If you’re not a fan of superhero movies and haven’t been following the Marvel movie universe so far, this isn’t for you." Without seeing the other movies, The Avengers would appear quite vacuous. In a way, it's a third act to those. The other movies are where the real depth and characterisation is and The Avengers is the pay-off. I went with a group of 12 people. I'm the only one who's seen all the Marvel movies. I'm the only one who really enjoyed it.

  • April 30, 2012, 4:25 a.m. CST

    by Jack

    best movie theater experience I've witnessed* Fuck you iPad and AICN for not having an edit option.

  • April 30, 2012, 4:28 a.m. CST

    They copied the end from Ghostbusters!

    by tomdolan04

    J/K

  • April 30, 2012, 4:43 a.m. CST

    ijacksparrow

    by SmallTuna

    "The Avengers is the best movie I've ever seen" How old are you, 12? Judging by your pseudonym, you must be 12. Anyway, watched it this week-end, there are some scenes in the first half-hour which seemed a bit too cheesy for my taste but audience seemed to like it. And the scene where three of our heroes fight in a forest for no reason while one bad guy quietly waits for them to finish made no sense to me. Still the rest of the movie I found really enjoyable. And I CAN'T WAIT for what will happen next with who-you-know from the mid-credits scene.

  • April 30, 2012, 4:50 a.m. CST

    At best this is a 6 out of 10.

    by TinyTomGreen

    I could not disagree more with the sentiment that this is one of the best Superhero movies made. Nothing distinguishes this movie above many other ensemble cast action movies. This film is painting by numbers using action ensemble film tropes 101 from the how to write scripts for dummies slush pile. Nearly every moment of this movie is born of other movies. Why all the praise? I'm really baffled. The studio could not have played the film more safe. It's a massively empty experience. Just a swirl of colors and cameos. Spider-man 2, Iron Man 1 and The Dark Knight are vastly superior to this film. They are original, complex (for blockbusters) and satisfying. Avengers does not distinguish itself as anything more than standard Hollywood fair.

  • April 30, 2012, 4:51 a.m. CST

    smalltuna

    by Jack

    Of course, I'm 12 and you are a small tuna. Please. This is the best movie I've ever seen. This could be way more than that, and no matter how people try to find flaws within this movie, they won't find it. And this is coming from someone that went to see trying to find flaws. The hype around this movie is not nearly half of what the movie deserves. I feel bad for the Nolanites and haters in general, because this movie clearly is beyond hate by now.

  • April 30, 2012, 4:52 a.m. CST

    Black Widow looks unathletic

    by Roderich

    Compare her to the Scarlett Johannsson in that awful Iron man 2. Even in interviews she looks as if she never attended a gym. "No underware under the suit"? Who cares if the suit is 5 mm leather with wobbly flesh underneath? Cobie Smulders as Scarlett Witch, now that would have worked (but i understand that the rights for Scarlett Witch are a problem).

  • April 30, 2012, 5:08 a.m. CST

    Seen it twice now...

    by Darth Scourge

    ... and yes, it DOES live up to the hype and then some. BELIEVE.

  • April 30, 2012, 5:11 a.m. CST

    It's a fun movie, and the whirlwind of enthusiasm is enjoyable...

    by 6000_little_griglets

    But the hype is writing cheques the film can't cash... 'backlash' is a bit strong but man will there be some underwhelmed north americans out there if they're buying into some of the comments here... enjoy the film for what it is: iron man 1 quality with some greater parts and some lesser parts, nothing more nothing less.

  • It's a super hero movie that kind of bored me most time. Same old. Hulk is definately star of the show even if downey junior is given most time. I thought the score was fine. Even here captain america sent me to sleep.

  • April 30, 2012, 5:21 a.m. CST

    Not bad

    by Noel

    Perhaps due to the hype and the fact that I love the work of Mr. Whedon so much, I was rather disappointed with this film. Somehow the characters didn't work well together and there was very little in development. Too much to cram in with too little time. Who were these aliens? Why Earth? Meh...

  • April 30, 2012, 5:22 a.m. CST

    $ 178.4 million already...

    by Darth Scourge

    "...meanwhile, Marvel's The Avengers was released overseas into 39 territories (roughly 70% of its international run), and has brought in $178.4 million since opening on Wednesday. It opened at #1 in every single one of those territories while setting opening weekend records in many South and Central American countries where it opened. Some of the individual numbers include $24.7 million from the UK, $19.7 million from Australia, $15.9 million from Mexico and $12.9 million from Korea. The movie opened in 94 IMAX locations worldwide, pulling in $5.6 million (the highest gross for a Marvel IMAX title internationally), averaging $59,256 per location..." And according to a survey, based on fan reaction, the amount of pre-ordered tickets, how many people will see it opening weekend (and repeat viewings) in the USA, The Avengers is estimated to make $300 million during the 3-day opening period. So at least The Avengers 2 is pretty much a cert!

  • April 30, 2012, 5:37 a.m. CST

    @ atalcot

    by Iason

    because FUCK AMERICA that's why. I've seen this twice so far and back to the cinema to see it again tomorrow.

  • April 30, 2012, 5:40 a.m. CST

    only one nitpick: how do they get to Germany that quickly??

    by brightgeist

    it's like 10 minutes after they located Loki in Germany, the SHIELD jet arrives there, and 2 minutes later Iron Man gets there too. i mean yeah, it's a comic book movie and everything, but is Germany just a few miles away from America in the Marvel universe?? :D

  • April 30, 2012, 5:40 a.m. CST

    extra scene

    by thinboyslim.

    since the premier the cast had been talking about filming an additional scene that wasn't in the premier cut. does anyone know what it was coz i did not see it in the movie, i stayed for the mid-credit scene but not the final end of credits "trademark stamp", was there another scene then?

  • what the hell was that about??

  • April 30, 2012, 5:42 a.m. CST

    roderich

    by MONKEY BUTT

    Could not agree more. Johannsson is completely overrated. At no point did I believe she could do what Black Widow was doing on screen. She's a flabby, mediocre skank. She was the weak link in the film for me.

  • April 30, 2012, 5:47 a.m. CST

    And on a different note, TDKR viral campain

    by carlinesque_thinktank

    is rolling in... http://www.thedarkknightrises.com/

  • April 30, 2012, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Full Review (limited Spoilers)

    by tyler_turden

    Hey Guys, Long time AICN reader, just got a film/comedy site up recently. Check here to read my massive (2,000 word) review of The Avengers. http://thecrat.com/reviews/adam-vs-the-avengers/

  • April 30, 2012, 6:04 a.m. CST

    PUNY GOD!

    by Ciderman

    Sorry, best line in it, and funny as hell, that and Thor getting a smack! Oh, and saw it on the iSense in the Point Village in Dublin, Ireland at 11:30pm on the 27th of May, why that's ages before you Yanks.... HA HA!

  • April 30, 2012, 6:13 a.m. CST

    ciderman...

    by Jay Jay

    ...Dundrum Screen 1 yesterday morning for me. But don't you mean April???

  • April 30, 2012, 6:22 a.m. CST

    The Dark Knight is utter shit compared to the Avengers

    by Volllllume3

    Search your feelings, you know it to be true. Nolan's a has been.

  • April 30, 2012, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Full Review

    by tyler_turden

    The above link probably looked spam-a-licious. I liked the film but didn't love it. All of my gripes are in the review. I would post it here but I don't want to clog up the feed. I fucking hate it when people do that. http://thecrat.com/reviews/adam-vs-the-avengers/

  • April 30, 2012, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Prefer Loki to that one note character Hulk.

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

  • April 30, 2012, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Mid-credit scene question

    by Chariowalda_Barbarossa

    I've seen the movie. A spoiler request: Who is that dude in the mid-credit scene? I'm not that deep into the comic books. By the way, there is no other end credit scene at the very end. And yeah, Hulk is awesome. Puny God.

  • April 30, 2012, 6:40 a.m. CST

    its superb, give the trolling a rest.

    by danhalen7

    its a great great movie. easily the best comic book movie yet as it actually feels like a comic book unfolding in front of you. its ball-achingly funny in places, the actions fantastic and the effects are faultless. im 38 and very much from the star wars generation although i've become jaded and harder to please over the years from these kind of genre movies. i can't remember the last time i was at the cinema and heard spontaneous applause several times in the movie and at the end. everyone walked out with shit eating grins having had a great time, i suppose the point i'm trying to make is that if you don't enjoy this film i'd actually recommend you give cinema & film a rest for a while, as sometimes your inner cynic can't help but ruin everything you watch. stop trolling, complaining, pissing and whining about every single movie that gets made and actually enjoy yourselves. we've just had 2 weeks of torrential rain in london and by odin's balls did we need something to cheer us up. mission accomplished, i'm going back to see it again this week.....

  • April 30, 2012, 6:52 a.m. CST

    re: "Hawkeye’s arc is sadly shortened"

    by buggerbugger

    Is that the guy with the bow and arrows? Fuck, I've been calling him Karl Malden's Nose Man all this time...

  • I tip my hat to you Mr. Whedon. Someone finally got it, you made the Avengers come to life. First time in a long time I've wanted to queue back up and watch a movie again. Can't wait for the sequel.

  • April 30, 2012, 6:57 a.m. CST

    chariowalda_barbarossa

    by Darth Scourge

    (Spoiler warning for those that have yet to see the movie) That was THANOS.

  • Both sides are so different, you cannot compare them at all. If you love Batman more than the Avengers and like a deep, dark, more mature story, you will like TDK better. If you are a Marvel guy and want fun, a lotta cool CGI action, you will like Avengers better. Both are fucking great movies, all on their own terms, you fucks. Everyone who has some semblance of taste will know that.

  • April 30, 2012, 7:16 a.m. CST

    All these good reviews really offer nothing

    by brobdingnag

    helpful other than "its a blockbuster" or other hyperbole. Most of the lukewarm or negative reviews have rational reasons why the film was average or failed. The bottom line is there is a reason this opened over-seas first and not the US.

  • April 30, 2012, 7:17 a.m. CST

    chariowalda_barbarossa *spoilers*

    by Talkbacker with no name

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanos

  • April 30, 2012, 7:18 a.m. CST

    donkeyballstwo, give me one from a serious reviewer.

    by Talkbacker with no name

    INterested to see if you can back up the claim

  • April 30, 2012, 7:20 a.m. CST

    But what does Fat Orange think of the Avengers?

    by Tera Sanders

    Who better to tell us good from bad than a wheelchair-bound outcast who learned storytelling from reading comic books?

  • April 30, 2012, 7:23 a.m. CST

    brobdingnag, what's the reason?

    by Talkbacker with no name

    If you say because it's shit, that makes no sense. If they were not so confident in the movie, it would have come out in the US first and not risked any bad reviews before it hit the US. I'd say it was released outside of the US to hype it up even more come open day and guess what? it's working!

  • April 30, 2012, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Never get the hate for Iron Man 2 round here

    by Funis4assholes

    I thought it built on part 1 perfectly, and took the concept further in an exciting and plausible way. On many levels I even preferred it to The Avengers. Sure the science was silly, but the Monaco sequence is a criminally underrated piece of classic cinematography.

  • April 30, 2012, 7:36 a.m. CST

    YEAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Jackson

    YEAAAAA!!!!!!!!

  • April 30, 2012, 7:40 a.m. CST

    that Nuke The Fridge review?

    by Funis4assholes

    Don't waste your time with it. Amateur trolling.

  • My review is at the bottom of this page http://www.aintitcool.com/node/55305 This film will be forgotten about in a few months time. Reeeally tired of reviewers saying the last 40 minutes of the film is 'spectacular'. It isn't, these dumb fucking robo-slugs appear through the portal, meander between buildings, never actually touching them mind, and a bunch of generic 'mutants' who all fall over when the 'thingy' through the portal is blown up, it was laughable. Some great characterization, but there is nothing daring, surprising or complex about this film, the Dark Knight this isn't. Also alot of the times it looks like a tv show, Whedon does not have a cinematic eye, also he is incapable of exploring multiple narratives, this film is very formulaic. And jeeesus that Shield carrier scene is faaar tooooo looong. Believe there's nothing in this you haven't seen before. But yes, if you were 12 and saw this film you'd find it mind blowing..if you could stay awake through the numerous and long-winded dialogue scenes which are utterly forgettable. Some good lines, my two favourite being; Loki - That usually works and The Hulk waking up Ironman 'what the hell?!'

  • April 30, 2012, 7:44 a.m. CST

    not sure if I should wade into the arguing

    by animas

    I just think a lot of people are going to like it because they already like the source material. Total lack of objectivity. And the Best superhero movie? I didn't think Harry would even exaggerate that much....

  • it's over in ten seconds, I was fooled into believing it would be an epic ruck across the city causing a fuckton of damage.

  • April 30, 2012, 8 a.m. CST

    A Mediocre Soundtrack Is To An Epic Movie That...

    by Graphix67

    ...Plain gift-wrap is to a great birthday present. TRANSLATION: You will remember the gift and the plain gift-wrap will never come to mind.

  • ... the best comic book movie ever. If your IQ isn't quite that high you'll not get half the gags, not understand the character interplay, and rank the movie on whether its special FX beat Transformers or some other explosion-spam flick. And that's okay. Everyone is entitled to their opinion here. Even people who ride the short bus.

  • April 30, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST

    If Joss Whedon Asks For Exactly One More Dollar For The Sequel...

    by Graphix67

    ...Marvel will replace his ass and the old "Had prior commitments" excuse will be used by Joss. Oh, and let's not forget, he will also offer a token approval for whomever the new (cheaper) director will be.

  • April 30, 2012, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Post-Credits Scene

    by MattDomville

    Apparently, there is one. A comic on the subject: http://www.cinemabums.com/?p=335

  • April 30, 2012, 8:15 a.m. CST

    *SPOILERS* Saw it and really enjoyed it...

    by Mikey Wood

    ...YES it's very simple...Bad guy has power good guys want...but there's a really interesting twist to why SOME of the good guys (SHIELD) want it and why the others (The Avengers) find the reasoning to be bullshit. You can't compare AVENGERS to DARK KNIGHT. They're two different things. Two totally different vibes. One is a comic book movie and one is a crime drama that just HAPPENS to have comic book characters in it. The comparisons are apples to oranges. My only real complaints are things I thought were big deals that, apparently, nobody else seems to care about: A) Thor just kind of shows up. There's a throw-away line from Loki about "dark matter" but, for me, it wasn't enough of an explaination. Would have liked to have seen more of the HOW. B) Hulk's sudden 'change of heart' isn't explained at all. One minute he's the raging "Hulk smash anyone/thing that gets in Hulk's way" Hulk and then, suddenly, he's the "Hulk knows the difference between good guys and bag guys" Hulk. Perhaps this is, again, unimportant to most fans but I would have liked more. C) And this is really a nit-picky one: Captain America's costume is really horrible. Someone above mentioned the fact that he removes his mask well, frankly, he looks better without it.

  • April 30, 2012, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Wonder if Thnaos gets Red Skull out of where ever the heck he is.

    by whatevillurks

  • April 30, 2012, 8:23 a.m. CST

    The mid credits surprise is Otis. Oow, oow! Mista Lew-Thor!

    by UltraTron

  • April 30, 2012, 8:24 a.m. CST

    As for reviews...

    by Mikey Wood

    ...it ain't high art. If you're going to review it as high art, yeah, you're going to review it negatively. It's a big, fun, summer flick. It's not a big, DUMB summer flick, though. It's sharp and funny and very exciting. The action is directed and presented very well and it is on par, quality-wise, with IRON MAN and CAPTAIN AMERICA and this is coming from someone who is NOT a fan of Joss Whedon's previous work. It's got it's issues but there will never BE a "perfect" comic book movie that will please everyone (especially on THIS site...Jesus...) but it's very good.

  • April 30, 2012, 8:30 a.m. CST

    "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"

    by Clio

  • April 30, 2012, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Clearly, the Hulk works best as a supporting character

    by Blanket-Man

    I've never looked forward to a HULK flick the way I have the Spidey, Iron Man, and Cap movies. HULK, at his best, is just a huge smashing machine, which works excellently in THE AVENGERS. His moments are clearly the highlights. And as much as I loved Ruffalo in this movie, I can't imagine him being all that interesting in a HULK solo flick. He's great because he's playing off of Downey (and Evans, to a lesser extent) in his best scenes. Take them away, and we've got another dull HULK movie. Marvel is absolutely going the right route in keeping the Hulk (and Ruffalo) in the AVENGERS franchise, but not making any more HULK stand-alones. Bruce Banner is too tragic (and sadly, uninteresting) to carry a movie by himself. But in a team flick like this, he's perfect. Whedon proved that a little HULK goes a LONG way. IMO, THE AVENGERS is the best HULK movie we could ever ask for.

  • April 30, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Yeah the Hulk Vs Loki fight is done in 10 seconds

    by tomdolan04

    but what a thrashing :) <p>

  • April 30, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    The hell with Batman, the Avengers is where it's at!

    by JarJar25

    I know their are some people looking forward to the next Batman film, but to me the Avengers is the superhero film to beat. I'll see Batman when it comes out, but this film is the one I've been waiting for.

  • April 30, 2012, 9:06 a.m. CST

    tomdolan04: Loki Hulk fight...

    by Mikey Wood

    ...it was perfectly done. The audience is EXPECTING some kind of knock-down-drag-out and BAM...Hulk simply beats his ass.

  • Needed alot more Hulk. Loads of plotholes, but what the fuck. Also I actually thought Chris Evans performance was heartfelt, I actually believed he was a man from another era. Thor was regal and had a grand dignity about him. Hawkeye had an edge to him. Black Widow - soo many lingering shots on her round ass...no complaints, also she can act, loved the bit when banner spooked her. Loki - Actually liked his creepy grin and he was convincingly evil. Nick Fury - never liked SLJ as the character, but whatever. So not all bad.

  • April 30, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST

    A major problem remains: Small, skinny superheroes?

    by MichaelH

    Sorry, but I can't believe that there aren't enough huge men that can act out there to play Cap, Thor, Batman, and Supes. Despite the lack of blond hair, Chris Evans was OK as Johnny Storm, but it doesn't make any sense to have him as Steve Rogers. Sorry, but it doesn't work. While he's trying to act earnest I still see the smirk. And single CGI enhanced scenes can't change the fact that he isn't muscular, and doesn't have a square jaw. Now that Nolan's done, what are the chances that someone will finally do Batman right (huge, not skinny and armored).

  • April 30, 2012, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Good points Mikeywood especially (A) & (B)

    by Mr_P

    I was wondering if I missed something as I was certain that at the end of Thor there was no way for him to get back to Earth and you are left wondering how that will be overcome and yet he just sort of pitches up for a scrap.

  • April 30, 2012, 9:35 a.m. CST

    blanket-man: "But in a team flick like this, he's perfect."

    by MichaelH

    Now that its accepted that comics superheroes can be translated to movies and remain comics superheroes a good Hulk movie is possible. Hulk stories are always exactly as you describe, the Hulk almost as a supporting character at times. Some issues in an arch will go by with no appearance of Banner or the Hulk. Or you transform the Hulk any number of ways, as has been done many times now. What would a Planet Hulk movie look like? Nothing wrong with tragic Banner/Hulk.

  • April 30, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Plot holes?

    by Volllllume3

    Name them.

  • April 30, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Oh, I love dark and mature stories

    by Hipshot

    But anyone who gets their serious drama from comic book superheroes needs to get out waaaay more. "Dark Knight" was well done, and fun, but I can't imagine a mature adult believing they learned anything from it, or were enlightened or ennobled. It was a superior popular entertainment. I anticipate AVENGERS will be the same, and I'll probably like it more because I'm a Marvel guy. But that doesn't mean it's "better" even if it kicks DK's butt at the box office, more critics love it, and it wins Best Picture (which it won't.) This is popular art, people. Sorry if you need it to be more than that.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Plot holes/ludicrous plot points

    by _ISITIN3D_

    Thor randomly appears on top of a plane, though we were led to believe that he had no way to return to Earth. Loki apparently 'wants' the Hulk for some reason, his spear is taken by Shield, it's in the same room as Banner and Stark, convenient. Banner ends up holding it and getting all odd...this passes and then the Shield carrier is attacked. Loki intended to be captured, why exactly? A bizarre contrived scene in Germany where Loki uses some device to stab some guy in the eye so they can get a mineral out of a vault...so they can make the tesseract work..to enter a portal...so the baddy robots can bring a war.. This 'war' never happens though...the baddie robots all fall to the floor when Ironman guides the nuke through the portal taking out the baddies mothership.. Ironman fighting with Thor in a contrived action scene, Stark had 'studied' the previous night, and knew everything about the Avengers project. We know this because Caulson hacks his way into Stark towers and interrupts Potts in her hotpants and gives Tony a data disc. There's no reason for him to be fighting Thor, it's just an excuse for a three-shot of him Thor and Cap. The tesseract being on top of Stark towers, not exactly hidden away..though it's ok as it has a magical force field around it. Black Widow riding on one of the baddie robot hover bikes. Cap's shield being able to withstand an attack from Thor's hammer. Banner's way of controlling the Hulk - 'I'm always angry'...ermm, what? I could go on but this is not the type of film that needs to be analysed in any great way. It's not a great film, it's too long, but it has some moments of greatness.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST

    The Avengers is the greatest film ever made.

    by _ISITIN3D_

    There.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST

    fortunesfool...

    by Mikey Wood

    ...I paid attention. Twice. And they aren't. They're glossed over if anything. AGAIN: Didn't take away from my enjoyment of the movie.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Cap's shield

    by Blanket-Man

    It can pretty much withstand an attack from ANYTHING, Thor's hammer included. The real question, though,is how come Steve Rogers didn't end up buried about 10 feet in the ground, with his undamaged shield on top of him, after Thor's attack. But I have an answer for that, too: The shield's vibranium *repels* whatever energy it is hit with. A hard punch will be repelled with the same force with which it was thrown. A blow from Thor's hammer (or Hulk's fist, for that matter) will result in the shield repelling it with precisely the same force... which is a LOT of energy! More than enough to propel Thor back a hundred feet or so.

  • THE POWER OF TELEVISION

  • April 30, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST

    You know what would have been awesome?

    by Mikey Wood

    It would have been awesome if Thor hit Cap's shield, was thrown backward, lost Mjolnir, and Cap casually picks it up and gives it back to him. Because, see, Cap's worthy. And the look on Thor's face should be suitably priceless.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST

    I was also expecting a scene through the portal.

    by _ISITIN3D_

    I dunno like Nick Fury in a spaceship zooming in and out.. I'M TIRED OF THESE MOTHERFUCKING GENERIC ROBOT-MUTANTS IN MOTHERFUCKING SPACE

  • April 30, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST

    If you don't want to read spoilers, don't read the reviews

    by Rick Webb

    Some of you needed a spoiler warning?

  • April 30, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Two errors

    by K-Rolfe

    Saw the film in 3D And IMAX, neither added to the experince. There were two errors which were let downs (for me). now i understand this is a film about big green guys and Gods that actuall exist. so... one, one minuet the HULK cannot controll himself then he can, this did let the film down turn the big green guy into a Deux ex Machina. the second mistake is one of arrogance by the writer, the idea that an american plan can invade German airspace and drop off a "Special Ops" unit is really unbeliveable. this would cause a massive incident, with Ambassidors being call to government offices. this mistake for me spoilt the film, i get the fantasy element invading creatures from another world but bureaucracy would trump that, and the idea that Americans could do that with out a complaint lodged at the UN. poor writing, a throw away line about getting authorisation is all that would be needed. Now i am a big Super Hero fan. i just thought Watchmen was better.

  • SPOLIER - Why they killed off Caulson, I don't know. It was cool having him pop up in different films, it was..nice. A sacrifice was needed, it should have been Nick Fury, like I said above, if he'd travelled through the portal to take out the mothership and got stuck in the other dimension. I think it would have been neat..of course he could have always popped up again somehow. I think it was a wasted opportunity not having a main character left behind, a Han Solo moment if you will.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST

    What the fuck? Ok I'll bite.

    by Volllllume3

    Loki comments on Odin having to pull a lot of strings to get Thor back to earth. Dark energy = shady deal = Thor 2 Loki wants the Hulk to go on a rampage on the Heli carrier. If the Avengers are busy dealing with the Hulk, they're not dealing with Loki. As in not stopping an Alien armada. And in the best of cases some Avengers could possibly be killed by the Hulk. Loki wanting to get captured was part of his plan. Cause strife between the avengers and get control over the Hulk. Banner picks up the scepter without even knowing it = momentarily infected No war? You didn't see how the aliens destroyed half of New York? Thor had just kidnapped Loki out of a flying plane without so much as an explanation. Stark needed to be alpha in that scene. Banner can transform into the Hulk at will since the end of the incredible Hulk. It's common knowledge. But he couldn't let S.H.I.E.L.D know this. Two reasons why he's not in control in the Heli carrier: 1) Loki infected him with the staff or 2) He was knoced unconscious on the Heli carrier and the Hulk persona woke up instead. They are two different personalities afterall. Without Banner the Hulk gets free reign and goes on a rampage. Which is what Loki wanted to begin with.

  • ...in all of those classic films there is a firm grounding of reality in that real people of the public are used - Star Wars bar scene where we meet Han Solo, LOTG the fireworks party and medieval pub scenes, Raiders has tribes of South America; people of Cairo; military submarine men etc, and as for Superman, well you can practically here all the traffic and sirens of Metropolis New York as well as the reporters and police officers, not to mention the highschool in smallville, etc. Avengers is not even in the same league as those films, it is a prestine, slick, CGI filled cartoon with hardly any real people in the film. As good as Joss Wheden maybe at writing witty dialogue and crazy camera work, his eyeballs are Speilberg's, Lucas', Jackson's or Donner's. Whedon is not in the same class as the talent who put those classic films together. Whedon is, as sad as it is to admit it to yourselves, relegated to a generation of directors who don't view the general public as anything significant in films, he like others of his generation prefer isolating the setting, characters and stories in a vacuum, void of all real human sounds, smells and interaction. The isolation of Avengers lasts all the way through until of course the apocalyptic climax when Whedon prefers showing people screaming, crying and running for their lives. Sorry AVENGERS, despite its budget, is a very weak film making, amature even, given that nothing even feels like New York or even planet earth for that matter. If you think I'm wrong, go back and watch the films you've listed and add SupermanII and Spiderman2 to that list. Avengers doesn't possess even an ounce of the human-reality that those classics incorporate. If I want to see a cartoon, I will watch a cartoon, if I want to see a live action feature film I don't want a CGI filled cartoon FUCK FEST thrown at the screen, guised as a real film, because that's not what it is. In years to come, mark my words it will not hold up like the classics you've listed.

  • Has the whole world been taking wacky pills? It was some explosions and panicky idiots running hither and dither. It could have been any major city, I don't recall seeing any famous landmarks being destroyed.. Also it was ludicrous how those massive slug robots didn't actually crash into any buildings, they were zooming around them. I didn't seen anything on the scale of say Independence Day, a film I detest but blowing up the Whitehouse is iconic, there was nothing like that here. Also the CGI of the robot-mutants was fucking awful. I've not seen Transformers 3 but apparently the level of destruction at the end is actually impressive..this was not.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:11 a.m. CST

    bluelando

    by PTSDPete

    Trashing other nations' sovereignties is 'superheroic' ?

  • Reminded me of sonar hack from The Dark Knight. Using the public's phones to track a criminal, to invade their privacy for the greater good. Nice bit of predictive programming which the Avengers copied. I'm not being petty about one film copying another, I just thought I'd highlight the fact the Avengers and SHILED at one point invade everyone's privacy. No further mention of it though, did they turn it off after they took out the baddies?

  • April 30, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST

    More complex plot eh? allthosepowers?

    by Mark

    did you watch Thor and Captain America because part of the plot is in those 2 movies. Which just goes to show your nothing but a Nolan asslicker that cant enjoy a good movie and would rather hate. Moron.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Notcher, JOHN CARTER was good...

    by zer0cool2k2

    "Many a piles of shit have received great reviews, yes, even 97% reviews. But I'm still waiting for the next 150 reviews to roll in. John Carter had a great start on RT too and some troll told me 'Obviously Notcher the movie is good.'" It suffered from some bad predictions, and probably the fact that the books it was based on weren't written in this century as the latest young-adult craze. Still a great flick and I hope it finds some life in the home-viewing market. Back on topic, cannot wait for Thursday night to see AVENGERS in iMax 3D. Already bought tickets for Friday afternoon as well so I can see it again after a few hours sleep. Was tempted to do the all-day marathon of all the individual movies, but I own them all anyway (not to mention having Epix on my Dish). Just hope I can still snag a pair of the 3D glasses Thursday night, along with the poster (to go along with my JOHN CARTER poster).

  • ...I have seen all Marvel films, incl Thor and Captain USA. So my advice to you is pull your tongue out Whedenmacraider - I'm actually a fan of Superman 1 & 2 and Spiderman 1 & 2 becuase the artistry of story, plot, character and effects makes Avengers look weak and simple and yes I have seen all Marvel films, incl Thor and Capt Clearly you like the shit that Whedon dumps out, else you wouldn't have your tongue firmly lodged inside his prostate, enough already. Now FUCK OFF!!

  • April 30, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    the avengers

    by emeraldboy

    succeeds in bringing together all these characters on screen together. But that is the films only success. It fails in almost every other department. scarlett johanson is the movies weakest link by a mile. when she is ass kicking her way out of her kidnapping, it just looks fake. her scene with Tom Hiddleston is just vapid. loki mind fucked her and she wore the expression of a beached fish. gasping for water. and stood there and said you monster. if you look at the scene with downey jnr and hiddleston. stark headcounts the avengers and says to loki, you managed to piss them all off. even the scene where they are all in the room with banner before he hulks out was devoid of any real tension. New York has been destroyed. reduced to rubble. shouldnt that be a bit darker. instead its turned into a moment of flag waving heroism. the way loki was written was terrible and terribly confusing. he is a god, pissed off and bitter. and yet he is clobbered by the hulk? shouldnt he be more brooding and vengeful and chippy. and whats with the stuff about Nick fury's secret plan. the ending of the movie was too cheery. too hollywoody. and shouldnt have loki escaped. and gone into hiding, in other words to evade capture. instead he is back to asgard. with thor. and that is that wrapped up. or does he come back play thanos off against his brother.? filming this movie in 3d was terrible waste of money. I am no fan of 3d. and didnt wear the glasses when i saw the movie. All i ask for is better and more coherent story oh and please, drop scarlett johannson. charisma carpenter in tight leather....mmmmmm

  • April 30, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Nolanites. Horrible creatures, I avoid them where I can.

    by Volllllume3

  • April 30, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    LOTR and Star Wars: grounded in reality...

    by Volllllume3

    Jesus Christ.

  • The Avengers has far to many flaws to be anything close to 'best ever' 7/10 for overall fun but 5/10 for story. If there is a coherent story can somebody let me know, all it could make out was loki arriving from...god knows where....tapping people with his glow stick and taking over their minds - not that hard in hawkeyes case - then he steals a blue cube and escapes on the back of a truck..back of a truck.....The God of mischief reduced to scrambling onto the back of a truck to escape! lol So i guess not all gods can fly. So once he's away everyone chases him, so many heros they literally bump into eachother in the sky! They all compare cock sizes - not even scarjo can compensate for the huge carnival of gay dancing thru this movie - We get a look at a flying aircraft carrier, a state of the art marvel of cgi, then it gets fucked up by an arrow.....i kid you not......we get 20 minutes of the thing wobbling about as the avengers split into two groups - those trying to save the thing and those having bitch fights - Loki fucks off while everyone is busy. Despite half the crew of the flying ship being deaded in one way or another the avengers think they did okay - but like all boy bands they split up! Loki has a drink with stark in his penthouse, summons his alien army from the acme website www.nondescriptalienarmycan'tshotforcrap.com - just why we need 'heros' to save us from the dumbest and useless alien army i've ever seen is anyones guess - seriously you're telling me 3 or 4 F22 raptors couldn't take out the flying snake things?? The alien army...i wouldn't fancy their chances against a few dozen tooled up SAS and Special Forces guys!! lol but the movie is funny, it did make me laugh, the slapstick fighting between hulk and thor is funny, hulk and loki's 'smack my bitch up' hand shake was funnier still. Two days later i had a lot of trouble remembering anything interesting that happened during the movie.... Greatest comicbook movie ever......I really don't think so, one of the funniest, most deff'

  • April 30, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Who's hoping Amazing Spiderman will underperform?

    by marineboy

    Only so that Marvel can get he rights back :)

  • April 30, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST

    The Avengers is one of the best movies ever made...

    by Jack

    ...while The Dark Knight is an overhyped clusterfuck that only made history for being the "last" performance of Heath Ledger. And this is coming from someone that actually liked the movie to begin with. Look, "realism" not always translates to a good movie. TDK is at best trying so much to be real that everything looks more ridiculous. I honestly can't wait for a Batman reboot where the director isn't afraid of going crazy with Batman. And by that I mean a movie inspired more by the comics and the Arkham Asylum games. TDKR will do crazy cash, but I honestly doubt that will do more than The Avengers, let alone TDK.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:17 p.m. CST

    @emeraldboy Too "Cheery" ? Too "Hollywoody"? - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    by marineboy

    Please, get a grip.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:17 p.m. CST

    by drstrangerlove

    by emeraldboy

    very funny dude. and that was exactly how i felt about the avengers movie. and TDK was technically brilliant but utterly soulless.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST

    marineboy...Count me as one of the Prophets of Doom.

    by conspiracy

    Spider Man needs to just go away for awhile...Disney/Marvel needs to buy him back...and a few years hence...redo Spidey Right.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST

    allthosepowers

    by Rick Webb

    Only live action films grounded in reality (horrible examples, by the way) can be considered classic? Wrong. I give you Example A: AKIRA.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST

    "Potts in her hotpants"

    by conspiracy

    Thank you for that imagery _isitin3d_...Disney/Marvel just got an extra few bucks out of me...I Hate 3D...but for that I might make an exception.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Amazing Spider-Man x The Dark Knight Rises

    by Jack

    That's where the real fight is. I don't want a more "grounded" Spider-Man, but I still have high hopes for ASM. Webb and Garfield seem to get what Spider-Man and Peter Parker are about way more than Raimi and Maguire, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

  • "That is so fake." Congratulations, observer.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Looks like the trolls and haters...

    by manzoniman

    have failed on an epic scale. Eat your crow, eat your humble pie, and have a nice hot cup of SHUT THE FUCK UP. You lost.

  • 68 out of 70 critics have given it positive reviews on RT. You don't care for it? Fine. But there's too much evidence to the contrary to declare it the POS that some of you are. I'm sure there are people out there who hate JAWS and RAIDERS, too, but they wisely keep their yaps shut about it around these parts.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST

    this movie looks childish and boring

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    Fuck the Avengers. I was rooting for Wheddon but the story does not interest me in any way. Oh COOL a massive CGI battle, good vs evil aliens in some random city for the final act. Didn't I already see this in Transformers 3? Nolan for president.

  • I think someone needs to look up the difference between "temper" and "temperance."

  • April 30, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    "Whedonites"? "Nolanites"? How about "fun-ites"?

    by Mikey Wood

    By consigning yourselves to one side or another you severely limit your options of enjoyment. Point is, it is absolutely possible to GASP! enjoy BOTH! I know it's revolutionary.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Don't get me wrong....

    by SUPERJIM

    I really liked Avenegers. It was entertaining, funny, well made and action-packed. I have told everyone I have spoken to to go and see it. I'd like to see it again and I will probably buy the Blu-ray when it is released. It is the best thing I have seen in the cinema in a long time. However, it is not "superb" "outstanding" or "a masterpiece". The non-geek public (I mostly count myself in that) will probably think that some parts of it were too long and that there are huge chunks where nothing much happens. The plot is slightly too simple. The main villain isn't evil enough and his plan doesn't always feel big enough. I disliked them spending what was probably a large chunk of their effects budget having Iron Man fly around the ship fixing it. I think we have to look at our own expectations following the standards we are used to. Let's face it, most movies are shit lately and we eat up anything that is half decent. We deserve more. Especially when you consider the billions of pounds and dollars we spend watching these things. That being said GO AND SEE IT. More than once if you can afford it and have the time. It sickens me when you see things like Transformers 3 making so much money that they green light a 4th Bay installment when I was hoping for a reboot. The more money this makes the better chance we have of seeing people like Joss Whedon being handed the reins to massive geek movies instead of people like Bay, McG and Ratner. That can only be a good thing right?

  • April 30, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST

    I'm sick of this Superhero shit man

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    I'm fucking over it! Bring back science fiction. Oh hey Disney, thanks for setting Sci Fi back 20 years with John Carter. Maybe call it John Carter of MARS next time dumbfucks. Yeah. And George Lucas. Please make more Star Wars movies. Revenge of the Sith was actually pretty good. It was better than Iron Man 2 and fucking Captain Fucktard. But not better than Thor. Thor was dope. By the way Fuck the Avengers this shit looks dumb.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Sidebar?

    by Mikey Wood

    I liked McG's CHARLIE'S ANGELS movies. So sue me.

  • And you can pay them a hell of a lot less too. Bay is a relic of an era where people didnt know any better. Now we do.

  • April 30, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST

    The question now is:

    by Insidious_Bastard

    If this movie is the mega success that it seems it will be, will Whedon now get a chance to direct a sequel to Serenity? We Firefly, and Whedon, fans have been clamoring for a sequel for years now. And, we're always met with the same refrain that while the movie was good, it didn't bank at the Box Office and therefore a sequel would not be likely. But, now that this movie that Whedon has directed will more than likely make a trillion dollars, can the studios take a chance on a sequel to Serenity? God, I hope so.

  • April 30, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Forgot Blomkamp (sp?). That dude is an obviously huge talent.

    by dahveed1972

  • April 30, 2012, 3:30 p.m. CST

    insidious_bastard re: Serenity sequel...

    by Mikey Wood

    Will never happen. Not enough people are interested. The fans of FIREFLY think they are enormous in number but they really arent, which is why the movie bombed in the first place. Releasing SERENITY direct to DVD would have been the smarter way to go.

  • April 30, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Firefly and Serenity were shit, weak attempts at Sci-Fi

    by MajorFrontbum

    What else would you expect from the man who is responsible for the abominable shit-fest known as "Buffy". Next you'll be telling me that "Charmed" was an excellent TV show.

  • It looks like it's a good one. Looks like Joss Whedon is poised to FINALLY start calling the shots and getting some respect. Awesome! I'm really looking forward to this weekend...

  • Never enjoyed Buffy more than some kind of teenage soap opera with vampires and Angel was sort of dumb to me, but sort of entertaining. Never got to watch a full episode of Dollhouse and never actually watch a single episode of Firefly or Serenity or whatever that was. With that said, I'm a fan of his Astonishing X-Men's run, and I couldn't be more satisfied with the movie. I'm officially a Joss Whedon bitch now, but so is Christopher Nolan, so whatever.

  • April 30, 2012, 4:20 p.m. CST

    I thought Cap and Thor were merely Ok movies

    by Mr Soze

  • April 30, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST

    in the animated series, Hawkeye

    by kaijuturtle

    is the most interesting character.

  • April 30, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST

    WOW

    by Klaatu

    SPOILERS The mysterious "Other" who is talking with Thanos at the midcredits scene is... Annihilus!!!!

  • April 30, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Only thing that pissed me off.. CHITAURI = SKRULL.

    by Joe Dissolvo

    You lied to us, Joss.

  • April 30, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Saw it today. In three words...

    by Darth_Tarantino

    ...tons of fun! Some of the writing was a bit weak, there's very little character development and the storyline is very simple. But it doesn't matter. This is the kind of movie that you just enjoy because it's a big, fun movie that delivers on spectacle and action and throws in a few laughs for good measure. Plus they finally got Hulk right :)

  • April 30, 2012, 6 p.m. CST

    Just because a movie is successful doesn't mean it's good.

    by SuperTrekkie

  • April 30, 2012, 6:05 p.m. CST

    it's really good

    by maximumbob

    I am a fairly grumpy, hard-to-please, seen-it-all-before cynic who took his eight year old son and twelve year old nephew to see this movie and I loved it every bit as much as they did.

  • April 30, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Whedonites = Ron Paul Supporters of SciFi?

    by Sithtastic

    For a long time now I have been baffled by the severe, blood oath-like loyalty of the Whedonites. Yes, I like him as a writer. I enjoyed both Firefly (and subsequently Serenity) and his run on Astonishing X-Men, but I was never a rabid fan. In fact for a long time I thought of Whedonites as the Ron Paul Supporters of SciFi fans: a small but intensely rabid band of devotees determined to have their man recognized. I do not carry that baggage. Well it looks like Whedon is finally getting his due and rightfully so. I still don't know what to make of this film though. I know I'll see it in the theater, but will I be as flabergasted as Nordling? I doubt it. The point is if Whedon actually makes me have fun in this film that should be enough.

  • April 30, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Saw it here in the uk last week....

    by Sbate001

    Had high hopes for this since the announcement that Whedon was at the helm and it doesn't disappoint. Great start to the summer season. My full, spoiler free review can be found here http://www.fivestarflix.com/the-avengers-2/

  • April 30, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST

    @klaatu75 re: Mid-credits scene

    by Rick Webb

    Tell me you're being serious.

  • April 30, 2012, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Better than Dark Knight just because of the difficult juggling act

    by AxeEmAll

    There is no doubt that TDK Rises would be a great movie. But making Avengers is certainly a much greater challenge than making one that involves just a single hero and possibly two villains.

  • April 30, 2012, 8:34 p.m. CST

    2cents

    by sways

    Saw a friend's staff screen in the UK midnight Wednesday and went in with the same excitement second time around Thursday night. <p> But - Cap's WW2 costume would've looked great with the look of all the others. Bad-ass. Not ass. <p> But - It's easy to nitpick. <p> Looking forward - With Iron Man and Thor seemingly set, it would be great to see Whedon stick with Marvel for a couple of years, following this by writing and directing a sequel to Captain America, featuring Widow, Nick Fury and.. ... ..War Machine. No need keep the supporting players in the same thread of films. Mix and match. Tighten the universe. But supporting roles. Unlike the Avengers, Cap's centre stage. Pym's in there btw.. Experiments gone wrong, you say? And what's that in the distance, Whedon? Avengers2: The Empire Strikes Back? <p> Marvel Studios. Saving the face of Hollywood single-handed. Looking forward to the next round.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:43 p.m. CST

    axeemall

    by MCVamp

    Yes and no. Juggling several heroes can be made akin to juggling several robots. AVENGERS could have been cookie-cuttered like BATTLESHIP with a bunch of 'splosions and one-off crap dialogue and it still would have made assloads of money. It just wouldn't have been as good a movie or as solid a building block.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:58 p.m. CST

    klaatu75...

    by MCVamp

    For that to be true, that particular character would have to be accessible outside of the Fox contract for a certain super hero license. He's pretty closely identified with that particular license. Assuming you're not lying, maybe you misinterpreted who it actually is?