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Here's A Very Cool New PROMETHEUS Spot Just Shown By Channel 4 In The UK...
Merrick here...
Tonight in the UK, Channel 4 premiered a new variant of trailer for Ridley Scott's PROMETHEUS.
Essentially, this promo expands upon a few sequences featured in previous trailers, while introducing a bit of new material as well.
Following a similar release pattern to BATTLESHIP and THE AVENGERS, which are already playing overseas but have yet to bow in North America, PROMETHEUS begins its global run on May 30 - steadily expanding throughout the Summer. It'll hit the States June 8.
Aint It Cool reader Julian sent us a link to this embed of Channel 4's trailer, which we very much appreciate.
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If only Idirs could bring along that creepy crazy murderess from Luther
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Hoping the weeklong gap between UK and US release dates doesn't harm cinema takings too much!
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Keep repeating, "Please don't fuck this up, please don't fuck this up!"
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So much to like, though I'm surprised they revealed a creature. Looks a bit like a facehugger without the long "fingers."
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April 29, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST
Haven't even seen any full Alien films and am jazzed about this movie
by thatswhatshesaid
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Part 1
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What prequel? To your knowledge this was never a prequel, nor will it ever be.
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Care to explain???
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Pay attention. My word!
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As a UK resident I'm delighted this is coming out here first. I had my first experience of 3D IMAX this weekend (watching Avengers Assemble, also out in the UK first! It's ace BTW!) and can't wait to see Prometheus in the format.
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Best movie trailers so far this year.
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of American made films being released overseas first before American audiences see them. I DON'T LIKE THAT IDEA AT ALL!
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Can't wait
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CREEPY AWESOME!!!
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April 29, 2012, 5:46 p.m. CST
I think this will be a great movie but will flop at the box office
by georgecauldron
Something tells me the summer movie audience isn't going to spring for what seems to be a thinking man's science fiction film. I put the top domestic gross at $120 million.
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April 29, 2012, 5:47 p.m. CST
There's actually been quite a lot shown now at this point, far more than I previously would've thought Scott would allow by the studio
by TheSeeker7
For the first time i'm genuinely starting to wonder if I should stop looking at any promo material, it seems like A LOT of money shots have already been exposed.
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WHERE IS YOUR AVENGERS REVIEW?!? PLEASE DON'T HOLD OUT!!!...i value ur opinion....
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for a change!!! Saw Avengers last week and saw Battleship last night(lots of cheesy fun!!!). It's about time we get to see films first! Oh and this trailer just blew me away - not since Return of the King in December 2003 have I been SO jazzed for a film. Forget all your comic book films and super heroes - Ridley Fucking Scott is BACK!!!!
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April 29, 2012, 5:49 p.m. CST
Some nice looking cinematography...utterly familiar set-up though.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
And shame on the studio for not making this a same-day global release. If there really are "secrets" in this film, they will be totally spoiled by the time it hits the States.
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Very interesting image in there...
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This is pretty weak.
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Awww, Jeeeeezzz Mr. Luthor!!! AWWWWW, JEEEEEEZZZZ!!!
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(the wait is), KILLING me! All these promos are the worst cock-tease for my eyes.
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Why can't we have all the spoiler heavy flicks open all on the same day? Can someone enlightenment me, please?
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Hollywood is international film making. It sucks in talent from every country. Often the only AMerican thing is the money. Alien to Alien 3 had a massive amount of UK cast and crew it is no surprise it gets relesed over here first if cold hard cash was not the only reason.
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I think it would be cool if this were a straight up prequel but it could also just be another ship like the crashed one in Alien
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That is all
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Just to reply to Roarsloudly. Prometheus is not an American made film, shot in UK studios ( Icelandic locations), UK director, at least 5 British actors, more than likely all the technicians and crew are predominantly British! So, I'm calling you out on your delusion of it being American made! So, maybe that's the reason it's getting shown in the UK first, because if anything, it's more a British made film than it is American, Fox may stump up the cash, but I'd bet all the crews behind the scenes over at Pinewood Studios would tell you to "do one" if you said it was an American made film!!!
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The original Alien has always been my favorite. The rest of the series just couldn't compete with a cast that included Harry Dean Stanton, Yaphet Koto, John Hurt, etc. These were mature, adult actors who were firing on all cylinders. Great ensemble performances resulted. This looks like a great group but...the concept seems like it might be harebrained. I hope not. Visually it looks just as it should. But I never actually thought there was any great mystery about the alien that needed to be solved. and the Space Jockey was effective because, even though it you knew nothing about it, you still had this empathy for it. Anyway, I am looking forward to it. If it is as focused and creepy as the Michael Fassbender 'David' short it will be great.
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See, Scott said so: http://www.cinemabums.com/?p=209
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April 29, 2012, 6:09 p.m. CST
The reason us British folks are getting to see so many summer movies early...
by Amazing Maurice
... is because of the Olympics. I'm sure things will be back to normal next year. But still, I'm fucking jazzed for this film and it looks as though Europe will be getting an "18 Certifcate" cut of PROMETHEUS. FUCK and YES!
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I'll take a scifi with narrow rooms and building suspense over transforming CG robots any day of the week.
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Different countries have different priorities and thus different dates. There may be more domestic product or holidays that clog up certain countries release schedules.
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"That PROMETHEUS trailer... the Internet's deciphered part of it. It doesn't look like a prequel." "What is it?" "It looks... like a remake. I'm going out after them." "What's the point? I mean, by the time it takes to see it you'll know whether it's a remake or not, yes?"
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That doesn't explain why Australia and the rest of the world got Avengers and Battleship so early. I think it's just that Hollywood has FINALLY realized its mistake and is rectifying a decades old long problem. And I am BEYOND JAZZED that we get Prometheus on June 6th!!! I CANNOT FUCKING WAIT FOR THIS FILM and am LITERALLY counting the days until that Thursday!!!!!
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I understand the frustration of films opening in the UK and other territories before the US and Canada but there are countless films where the situation has been reversed. I remember a few years ago there would sometimes be months between a film's US and UK release. It's more common that films have a world-wide simultaneous release these days but Avengers Assemble (UK title) and Prometheus appear to be the exception, I'd be interested to know the reasons why it's the case. As an aside I've been trying to avoid having too much exposure to Prometheus content but the temptation to watch the latest trailer or 'behind-the-scenes' promo is too hard to resist!
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Hear, hear! I guess they don't like it when it's reversed, huh? And I hope to the Space Jockeys Ridley was joking when he implied Prometheus is a remake! Although that would be funny seeing fans heads explode as all their theories from the past few months about how exactly this ties into the beginning of Alien unravel in a puff of smoke!!!
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... a 'Prequeboot'.
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April 29, 2012, 6:26 p.m. CST
WHAT IF...Prometheus, Dark Knight Rising AND The Hobbit...are awful?
by deanmail
I DO NOT want it to be so but if those three films fail creatively AND commercially in a recession, it may take a long time for big budget genre movies to go into production again. Right now it's all sequals and prequals but unlikely as it is if Prometheus, Dark Knight Rising, Amazing Spiderman AND The Hobbit all fail...what next?
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April 29, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST
They release them early so the US can pirate copies, and not have to pay to see the film for 10 bucks a throw.
by Perigee
At least, I hope that's the way the finances work out for 'em. Let's have the rest of the world turn a profit for the studios.
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Historically, during times of turmoil, people seek out even MORE escapism. In the words of Walt Disney.........Quality will out. Only it will out in the US after opening everywhere else FIRST!!!!!!!! God DAMN, I am LOVING THIS!!!!!!!!!!!
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April 29, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST
Remake, reboot, prequel, inspired by, new adaptation
by ihatetalkbacks
preboot its the new fan fav to knock other people. "ITS A REPREBOOTADAPTATION ANY ONE THAT IS A SCI FAN KNOWS THAT!!!1111!!!" At least it stope people arguing about the St*r W*rs films...
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Wow every single trailer I see makes this look better and better...
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What marketing genius made that decision?
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in the cinemas last night attached to the Avengers, which was totally awesome btw! Hulk pretty much steals the show but all of the Avengers get their moments to shine. A big, fun rousing and well made superhero action film which even my girlfriend really enjoyed (and she wasn't really keen on any of the previous Marvel films, so that's saying something). Finally big blockbuster movies are being released first in Europe and other continents and then some time later in the states. Now you yanks know how we've been treated and felt for ages! Hopefully this will become the norm from now on...
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I hope they are saving the big surprises. Maybe everything from the trailers happens in the first hour of the film?
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Somebody in the UK felt it might get confused with the old series and shitty remake movie that was big over there. Yeah like all the brightly coloured superheroes could be confused for an old man in a bowler hat! Retarded title.
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I know it's an official release, but still, it's seems like I know too much now.<br> <br> <br> Oh well, can't unsee what I've already seen -- so might as well watch it 10 more times. <br>
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April 29, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST
If you watched that trailer then though "That looks shit", you shouldn't be here
by steve
Seriously. Fuck off.
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III sorry!!!
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April 29, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST
They're still showing too much. It probably doesn't matter, because I'M THERE.
by justmyluck
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April 29, 2012, 7:10 p.m. CST
The problem isn't the lack of ideas, we got millions of those.
by TheMachinist
It's the lack of well-made, well-executed ideas. For example, I have this great idea for an action romantic comedy involving bandits. Put in the right hands, this could be the best action romantic comedy ever made. Unfortunately, it's in the mind of a lazy ass like me.
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April 29, 2012, 7:14 p.m. CST
It's a prequel. That simple. It's only a remake if it has Ripley & Ash, set on the Nostromo, just one creature, chestburster, etc.
by Al
Not multiple people being transformed into different creatures & not chestbursting. That's going by simple continuity rules. The situation the Prometheus is involved in is similar the same way Ripley had something similar happen to her in Aliens & Alien 3. The only movie that fits the sequel / prequel / reboot / remake mold is Star Trek, and that's because it had time travel in it. It's a seprebootmake.
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April 29, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST
This movie is going to get spoiled to shit for Americans. Assholes are going to post spoilers in topic titles & chatrooms & facebook & mass email.
by Mr. Moe
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April 29, 2012, 7:23 p.m. CST
Just when you thought it was safe to put on your space helmet again...
by MotherPussBucket
But of course they wouldn't know that as they're in a prequellel universe.
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April 29, 2012, 7:28 p.m. CST
fart magnus - Ah, that figures. John Steed and Emma Peel. Mmmm, Miss Peel...
by L.H.Puttgrass
I don't think anybody will mistake The Hulk for Miss Emma Peel. ScarJo, on the other hand... Mmmm... black leather catsuit. Nah, it's still a silly marketing misstep. The target audience knows better than that. Way better.
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April 29, 2012, 7:34 p.m. CST
I flashed back briefly to the trash compactor monster from Star Wars
by Anthony Torchia
of course then it crawled up his arm but did anyone else go there? I don't wanna see any more until June
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i am sorry i watched...
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April 29, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST
Spoilers galore yeah but damn! I always wondered how it looked when a facehugger ate through a helmet. Looks fuckin' crazy.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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Two thoughts came to mind when I saw and then thought about the baby facehugger looking thing. Thought I'd share them for your scrutiny. First thought, was this kind of looks like some kind of remake with a new looking type of facehugger and with Charlize kinda of playing a corporate handler, a la Burke in Aliens. Now the remake thought came to me b/c well..... hollywood is full of whores who want nothing more than a new gimmick to sell and what better way to do that than to pick a popular movie series and make a new chapter thats actually a remake, but don't tell the world that until it's too late, meaning after they have seen it. Aren't I a cynic. Anyhow, only Ridley and crew know if that creature was an iteration of the facehugger or not, but it seemed eerily familiar. And why would you want to introduce something that looks so like the series old creatures, but isn't them. That stinks of remake/reimagining! And itself is quite unimaginative for a remake/reimagining. I'm only speaking of the visual sense here, the logistics of the creatures actions and physiology could be sufficiently different and imaginative, but that could only be determined by watching the movie. So, do any of us want to see a re-imagining, without the original creatures from the original movies. Well, if this was a Strause Bros. movie, then hell no, but this is Ridley Scott and if he wants to reimagine a universe he helped create, then I'm willing to give it a go. But I'd have preferred a prequel. My second thought relied on my knowledge of the alien universe and helped me to reaffirm that this is a prequel. As I understand it, the alien takes on genetic traits of its host while it is gestating in the said host's body. So with that in mind, the baby facehugger could just be an earlier genetic iteration of the facehugger we all know and love. Maybe its physiology is determined by the space jockey's genetics, who knows. But upon contact with our humans, it changes into the facehugger we all know and love. This would tie into Alien as a squarely explained prequel and add depth to the alien creature, in that future movies would have large leeway to change the look of the alien. Though I don't know that I want tons of new looking Alien aliens running around in possibly shitty movies. Man, I love to speculate on this shit! And I am going stir crazy waiting to see this movie. I wanna see Avengers, Batman, Snow White & Huntsman, etc.....but Prometheus is a movie whose history I grew up with and love. June can't come soon enough.
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April 29, 2012, 7:55 p.m. CST
Damn it, why do I watch these? I feel like I know too much.
by Brian Hopper
The trailers have been PURE genius... among the best trailers ever created for a film. Let's hope the film lives up to it.
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April 29, 2012, 8:01 p.m. CST
I HOPE TO GOD THE TERRIBLE MUSIC IN THIS TRAILER IS NOT FROM THE REAL MOVIE! Good God what an annoying sounding soundtrack.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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April 29, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST
I almost feel like I don't need to see the movie anymore!
by performingmonkey
This trailer gives away too much. No way should there be any 'creature' shots and more specific details spoiled in a trailer like this!! This is the sweet meats that should be saved for the movie.
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April 29, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST
Please don't be the muisc from the film! Please don't be the music from the film!
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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Cool, I know too much now. I know Merrick didn't make the trailer.Obviously. But please warn us who want to go in blind.
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April 29, 2012, 8:17 p.m. CST
Cliff's notes summary - Hyroglyphs are map to planet. They build a ship and go there. Find alien structure ala. ALIEN and very similar - pick up an organism. Possibly leave planet again with organism on board. Possibly land on yet another planet. This IS
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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Feels like they showed too damn much. Maybe it's just me. mt
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They are trailers, simple as that. No spoiler warning necessary. But I do appreciate everyone claiming it as such as I will not be watching it. Oh, and fuck you fuckers who get to watch PROMETHEUS before us bastards in the USA. A film funded by American money is, indeed, an American film. That logic may be brought about by intense hatred, but whatever. I brought it about nonetheless. Where the fuck did I put my McFarlane Queen Alien??? I need to retreat to a corner of this room and assume the fetal position. Stat.
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which is why movies days later.
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come out*
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AND grew hair on my chest.
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Never eat a chicken salad sandwich that has been sitting in the sun for an hour... SPOILERS!
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Good job. That was incredible.
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April 29, 2012, 9:23 p.m. CST
UH-OH !!!!! Looks like that online script 'doing the rounds'......
by DANGER_DIABOLIK_
......may be entirely or at least, partially, genuine...... Script had some of the crew changing into proto-human skeletons..... * And we have Noomi Rapace saying - 'what are they turning into?' (about the crew, in the trailer). *Is that face being acid-burned or being transformed? Looks skeletal to me. So.....if that script IS accurate, hypothetically, the writers have done a 'Battlestar Galactica' on us.....i.e David the artificial life form 'paradoxically' becomes the template for mankind. (see Cylons) And Theron is a 'Starbeast' in waiting............
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April 29, 2012, 9:24 p.m. CST
Global box office= 60-70% = US gets movies later nowadays
by genrefanboy
Simple studio bean counter math. For several years outside USA the box office has been going crazy for movies you did not even like. 2012 made $603m outside US!! vs $166m in US....... Titanic 3D made over $200m outside US (over $126m in China alone!) Hollywood takes note of that this year they want to open outside US first as its the fastest way to make some huge money from your biggest markets. China, Russia, India, Japan, UK, German alone generate around 50%+ of a movies box office take. I think China/Russia are the biggest markets right now due to the rapid expansion of their theatres. Battleship & John Carter are both on course to make well over $200m outside US even though they are poor movies the global audiences still have a lot of interest in them. Back on topic this looks a little confusing I hope Ridley does not go all sci-fi popcorn movie on us & keeps it more like Alien otherwise it will be a massive letdown & this trailer confirms a lot of misinformation is out there & the script was leaked a while ago & accurate unless they made some hasty last moment script changes......
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Listen squire, it is a prequel, for absolute definite, and not a re-boot etc etc.....fret not.
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....oh, and we do apologise over here in Blighty...and other parts of N.W Europe that various films are having release dates before the U.S. Very selfish of us. Should they make any further rancid Harry Potter films, I'll be sure to tell Warner Brothers (American) to have the Premiere in the US before Britain - as I'm sure cricket_midget wants to demonstrate an 'equilibrium'....enjoy!
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obvious from her line delivery and cool demeanor
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April 29, 2012, 9:36 p.m. CST
for a story that predates "alien" the tech looks more advanced
by JimmyJoe RedSky
but then maybe the nostromo was just a heep and mining didnt get the funds the science branch of the military did - im speaking in past tense - weird
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Made by a company for cheap. That logic I'm find with.
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April 29, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST
Prometheus looks incredible! But (and here's my major concern)...
by Hardboiled Wonderland
It's written by Lindelof. I'm worried about the story (particularly the similarities to the X-Files alien black oil arc), that Prometheus is a mishmash of ideas we've seen numerous times elsewhere. I'm also a bit disappointed that the space jockey is just a giant humanoid in a suit, as cool as he still looks. Otherwise, the film looks amazing, the FX look incredible. Visually, it is a 5-star Michelin feast for the eyes and mind. Maybe Scott forced Lindelof to lift his game, who knows. What i do know is that after the three trailers (particularly the UK version), I've already seen 3/4 of the film. ;-)
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No shit, Sherlock. ;-) Either Fifield is meant to be a grunt who's a bit slow on the uptake and prone to stating the obvious, or we'll be getting a script written for the masses. I hope it's just Fifield.
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There is a nice nod in the space suit designs. Look at the 70s derived space suits in Alien. Big bulky hard and utilitarian. Now knock 20 years of Alien's production and compare the Lost In Space style 60s inspired suits of Prometheus. They have big domed glass helmets and thin elastic coloured suits that cling to the body with small packs on them - they are aspirational rather than utilitarian. Its a smart move to use an epoch like that in its production, playing with the designs so well.
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I like the echo of the briefing from ALIENS, where they were all gathered in the cargo bay, repeated this time out with Theron in Ripley's place.
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April 29, 2012, 9:57 p.m. CST
It's a prequel but the movie's story line itself doesn't depict what directly leads to the creation of the Aliens...
by Jim Jam Bongs
From what I've heard by colleagues who worked on the movie's CG, it all has something to do with humanity's DNA having been spun off from a larger DNA of something that was bad, evil, destructive to all life in the universe. So an alien race (the Space Jockeys?) separated this Big Evil apart, spreading to earth what became the human DNA sequence. When the humans find recombines with their own DNA and threatens to take over the Prometheus and return to Earth to infect the rest of humanity. This is all stopped with the help of a Space Jockey. Xenomorphs like the one from Alien are never shown, but it is heavily implied that that will be a creature created from the recombination of this Evil DNA with the human DNA of the characters in this prequel. What humanity discovered on Earth weren't "welcome signs" -- they misread them. They are "WARNING: STAY THE FUCK AWAY" signs. Don't know how accurate any of this information is. These guys I know only knew bits of the story, so they kind of pieced the greater picture together themselves.
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April 29, 2012, 9:58 p.m. CST
Also, it wasn't clear in Alien that Ripley would be the ultimate survivor...
by Nerfee
...and I watched this trailer thinking to myself, "who's the 'Ripley' in this movie?"
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April 29, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST
So will we see Prometheus characters growing... *SPECULATIVE SPOILERS!*
by tangcameo
...crystalline teeth and another mouth growing out from the tip of their tongue? Remember that deleted original idea (or was it an actual) scene where the Alien Queen's head was actually some sort of shell/helmet and underneath was a humanoid skull.
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April 29, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST
Alien was always "for the masses" - Scott planned it as Texas Chainsaw in space. "Ash is a goddamned robot!" Prometheus has loftier ideas but is still a spooky scare movie.
by reflecto
And Prometheus was originally written by Jon Spaihts. Lindelof did a rewrite but both men have begun appearing in the BTS materials.
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Also, to tangcameo: The impression I got from the guys who did some CG is that the "evil DNA" is like some kind of Borg-like cancer that absorbs and re-configures the DNA of all living things. So you can imagine why it is so destructive to the rest of the universe. The Space Jockeys are the ones who keep it under control. The human characters in this movie start to fuck things up by going to one of the STAY-AWAY planets where some of this DNA is stored away in a seed vault.
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April 29, 2012, 10:09 p.m. CST
jim, I'd buy that except Scott and co. have been explicit in the press materials lately stating that the Engineers are bad news. "What if God was the devil", etc
by reflecto
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April 29, 2012, 10:14 p.m. CST
Unconfirmed: the Space Jockeys are alien marines dispatched to stop the infection...
by Jim Jam Bongs
When the shit hits the fan, after the human team opens the evil DNA seed vault and become infected, the space jockeys descend to contain the situation. It becomes a mission for them to eradicate all the humans and the Prometheus. Their own ship becomes a casualty in the mission, but they manage to contain it again by isolating it on another planet (the one that is depicted in Alien).
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...every ancient civilizations map to hell/underworld?
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April 29, 2012, 10:18 p.m. CST
Reflecto, yeah the Space Jockeys definitely aren't benign guardians of the universe
by Hardboiled Wonderland
The derelict ship's distress beacon in Alien, the star map in Prometheus... these are songs of sirens, meant to *attract* others for nefarious reasons. Definitely an invitation. As for the meaning of Prometheus -- I suspect it's David who "steals" from the human crew. Afterall, they're his gods.
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April 29, 2012, 10:21 p.m. CST
But I disagree with Prometheus not being for the masses
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Sir Ridley and FOX want bums on seats, hence the PG-13/R brouhaha. Especially how Prometheus was presented as "pew pew explosions" in the UK trailer. ;-) Doesn't mean it won't have deeper meanings and loftier ideals though. Sir Ridley's trying to strike a balance between making a shitload of money, and making art. Hopefully he's successful!
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April 29, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST
Who knows if this rumor is true, but consider that in our civilizations, we keep warning signs around.
by Jim Jam Bongs
Radioactive sites for example, or other sites that are enviromentally hazardous. In the movie, it could be just a matter of historical record for the descendants that sprout from the DNA, and a warning to them. Humanity simply read it wrong. And an alien "distress" beacon -- maybe it could be misread as a warning beacon to humans. *shrugs*
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April 29, 2012, 10:26 p.m. CST
Although, the derelict in Alien was a warning signal
by Hardboiled Wonderland
It definitely comes across as a "stay away, danger" warning signal, misinterpreted by the Nostromo crew as a distress, after viewing Alien again. Sir Ridley may have changed it to a honey trap for Prometheus though, who knows.
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April 29, 2012, 10:27 p.m. CST
Anyone else remember the uber-loaded ALIEN Laserdisc?
by Apocalypse_Pooh
The original storyline involved the Earth travellers finding a temple, with murals they didn't understand, that showed how the organism turns its prey into more organisms. It has been a long, long, time, but I think the original organism is indeed found in urns in the temple. Later, in a deleted scene, Tom Skerrit is found in the process of being de-evolved into organism goo. So Sigourney kills him, as he begs her to. What I'm seeing here fits straight into the original Alien mythology, completely ignoring everything that came after, including James Cameron's. I don't see that as a reboot, I see that as a filmmaker ignoring people playing in his universe. No "mother Alien laying eggs". All those eggs were what remained of other lifeforms, infected and mutated down into becoming another organism, waiting to pull the same trick on whatever dumbass went poking his nose where it wasn't wanted.
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April 29, 2012, 10:28 p.m. CST
Correction: maybe the beacon signal in Alien was misread as a distress signal when it was actually a "stay away" signal...
by Jim Jam Bongs
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April 29, 2012, 10:33 p.m. CST
Like humanity, space jockeys are neither "good" or "bad"...
by Jim Jam Bongs
It could have been they helped to create humans by seeding Earth with the DNA they separated from the Evil DNA entity. They left a historical DNA record of this throughout the planet with a warning for when the inevitable evolution came when humanity would start to explore the stars. The record basically says: "This is where you came from. Don't go to these sites/planets. If you do, we will have to take all measures to stop you." In the movie, humans just misread this as an "invitation". They cock things up, as the Brits say (I think). :D
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April 29, 2012, 10:33 p.m. CST
Oh, Prometheus is for the masses. But it's also got some loftier ideas as well.
by reflecto
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April 29, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST
Jim Jam, yeah the Nostromo crew definitely misinterpreted the signal
by Hardboiled Wonderland
As Alien progresses, it becomes clear it was a warning signal. So does this make the star maps a warning? Noomi Rapace was wrong to say "it's an invitation" -- hence the "we were wrong!" screams in the trailers. But does it mean the star maps are honey traps... or warnings? Why would the aliens come all the way to Earth, drop the goo on cavemen, then set a honey trap in the hopes that humans will create technology that would allow them to fall for it? Questions questions questions! I can't wait to see Prometheus.
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April 29, 2012, 10:35 p.m. CST
The suits in ALIEN were big, bulky & industrial with giant armor plating on the shoulders to protect them from mining accidents related to mineral ore refining.
by Cureguy
The suits in Prometheus are designed with exploratory scientific methods in mind. Freedom of movement is paramount. Not extra protection. Although it looks like they needed some damn extra armor protection with that worm easily crawling through the guys suit.
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April 29, 2012, 10:42 p.m. CST
Space Jockeys = humanity's "god"; Humans/Weyland = David's "god"...
by Jim Jam Bongs
And then you have the symbolism with the name of the ship, Prometheus. Consider how we humans go through so much trouble to create refuges in nature for wild animals, and to manipulate their population number and development even if necessary. But if these animals fuck up -- like, for example, a bear that enters a populated area and attacks people, we then have no problem with quickly dispatching people with guns to contain the situation. Does this make us, humans, good or bad overall in our nature? I really do not know if any of this is actually true. I do know those a few who worked on the FX in England. They didn't know the whole story either. It's speculation pieced together with what they know, what has been revealed in interviews, and all these trailers (and this latest one seems to reveal a lot). What has been revealed officially so far hasn't contradicted this theory/rumor of the overall story.
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That's what I thought when I first read about planet Zeus, lol. Although it would be a major shock if the planet is actually one of Jupiter's moons. Highly doubt it though, that'd be like going into hypersleep for the red-eye from LA to London.
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Prometheus has been awesome to speculate about. I've said for months that humans become the Aliens...that's my guess.
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April 29, 2012, 10:58 p.m. CST
For all we know, the plot twist in the movie could be Noomi screaming at Charlize: "You lied -- it wasn't an invitation! It was a WARNING TO STAY AWAY!" BOOM!
by Jim Jam Bongs
But Weyland Industries didn't give a damn, saw only potential profit in exploring the dangerous planet and exploiting what it might contain. So they ignored all the warnings and spin it to the public and crew as an invitation.
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April 29, 2012, 11:04 p.m. CST
"Prometheus" threads should be locked from the first day of release until all countries have it. No spoilers.
by jawsfan
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April 29, 2012, 11:04 p.m. CST
"Prometheus" better be great because TDKR is gonna be hugely disappointing.
by jawsfan
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April 29, 2012, 11:05 p.m. CST
So if what Jim Jam says turns out to be true, that means the Aliens were first created after the events of Prometheus, and that means
by Prof. Pop-Cult
This would mean that all the events of the two AvP movies no longer fit. Prometheus will not fit within that continuity.
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April 29, 2012, 11:13 p.m. CST
Spacejockey suit = impervious to Smoke Monster until stupid humans damage it
by Domi'sInnerChild
They're clearly designed to clean up Smoke Monster infestations.
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April 29, 2012, 11:13 p.m. CST
Was first "Alien" form combo of alien from Prometheus and Space Jockey?
by dead youngling
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April 29, 2012, 11:15 p.m. CST
Was it the same Alien Queen in Aliens that laid the eggs in Alien?
by dead youngling
Bit rusty on my history.
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Can't wait.
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April 29, 2012, 11:17 p.m. CST
Uh oh, Prequelboot = BSG "This has all happened before" BS.
by Domi'sInnerChild
If it's just basically a different alien with the same life cycle with a betraying android, a tough chick, and a mural as a lure instead of a beacon.... uh oh. Time to call in the Lost guy to add a scary smoke monster to the script.
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April 29, 2012, 11:20 p.m. CST
Come on, we all know the Space Jockey is a Predator and this all fits
by Domi'sInnerChild
They drop off some Aliens near the Prometheus accidently while hunting smoke monsters. Then AVP still fits. Ridley wouldn't blow the franchise like that. Plus, it'll be so cool when the Predalien bursts out of the Space Jockey suit and has four jaws. People will just eat that up.
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I love living in Japan, but this along with Avengers is not released until August. Meanwhile Battleship was released at the same time, damn distributors
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April 29, 2012, 11:25 p.m. CST
If humans become Aliens... then the first movie has a stupid title
by Domi'sInnerChild
Just saying.
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April 29, 2012, 11:25 p.m. CST
Anything after ALIENS is not canon as stated by Ridley Scott himself. Prof Pop-Cult you seriously believed AVP 1& 2 belonged in that timeline!?
by Cureguy
I hereby take your ALIEN fanboy card away and tear it up sir!
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Like many others I hope I am not too spoiled by knowing so much about the movie and characters before I see the movie, I feel like I am
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April 29, 2012, 11:36 p.m. CST
These trailers don't contain spoilers! I'm obsessed with this film and all the trailers do is create more questions with each subsequent image reveal. We will only get the answers on June 8th.
by Cureguy
I think this film has the potential to be right up there with 2001, ALIEN, ALIENS,Close Encounters. Some of the best sci fi films ever made. Maybe even an Oscar for Best Picture. I don't think that has ever happened for a science fiction film.
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<p>More and more that early synopsis from IMDB seems true.<p> <p>Vickers is clearly changing into something at the 2:27 mark. The Star Beast?<p>
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April 29, 2012, 11:55 p.m. CST
Lindelof said in an interview with 'Empire' magazine....
by DANGER_DIABOLIK_
....in regards to the query about any 'direct connections' with Alien - 'when you go to a Stones concert, you'd want to hear 'Sympathy for the Devil'..........the last 8 minutes are directly linked......'.....
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....a stupid title.....or.....a brilliant ironic twist...that said, when you arrive in the US, 'aliens' are used in lieu of 'non-US citizens'...
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April 30, 2012, 12:23 a.m. CST
Scott has made some crap; Nolan is seven for seven. I think both are going to kick ass.
by SoupBack
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Agreed...but, Scott has a much larger filmography and lengthier career.....sadly, at some point, Nolan, will make something either average or piss-poor......just mathematical probability....just like Uwe Boll, MAY, one day...make a watchable film.....but please don't pass that back-handed compliment onto him...he'll just ask me to get in the boxing ring with him......
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April 30, 2012, 12:48 a.m. CST
Danger D, So Vazquel really did hear illegal alien?
by Domi'sInnerChild
It all fits. The damn Space Jockey has got a filthy Mexican't in it. The original movie was ahead of its time about US Border issues and the Company is a lousy Coyote organization. But why would some old British director give a rats ass about any of that?
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Although a lot of singles and doubles in there after Memento.
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April 30, 2012, 1:06 a.m. CST
I didn't like the AvP films (defending my Alien fan card here)...
by Prof. Pop-Cult
The only good thing was the first one which cast Lance Henriksen as Charles Weyland.
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April 30, 2012, 1:06 a.m. CST
Please be awesome. Please don't let these trailers tell me way too much already.
by smudgewhat
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Yeah, we can do that, so long as the opposite holds true. No Yanks can discuss films online until the rest of the world sees them, as well. Works both way mate! It must SUCK to be getting Prometheus last!!!!
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I've seen the two main trailers (three if you count the UK one that debuted the same day as the US theatrical trailer), and one or two other misc promo vids, plus the Weyland timeline, TED speech and the two David viral ads. Enough I say. I'm ready for the full experience of space jockeys Giger-fucking my mind in IMAX. In the meantime I'll be at my vacation module on the moon eating beans.
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In captured still frames it is shown with its wings closed (hard to see watching the trailer); it looks like a penis. Then it opens up and looks like a vagina. And it goes inside you and fucks you up, big time.
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April 30, 2012, 1:24 a.m. CST
I really hope the penis-vagina-snake-alien isn't...
by Hardboiled Wonderland
... like the Goa'uld of Stargate or Trill symbiotes of Star Trek. There's already enough X-Files and BSG in Prometheus to make me worried about how liberal Lindelof has been with the ideas. @lv_426 "my mind has been Giger-fucked" should be in the dictionary! :-D
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WTF was going on with that one? Is that what King really wrote his aliens as in the novel?
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Good point. Scott has been around longer, and so there are definitely going to be some so-so films in his filmography. I will say this, though: Nolan seems to be more focused (so far) thematically: "Everyone has a box."
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the extraterrestrials will likely be some sort of xenopenis things with vagina mouths that will travel hundreds of light years to come to Earth and rape us. If not that, the aliens will bio-engineer some virus that turns us all into the walking undead, thus initiating the zompocalypse.
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The trailers have not given away that much, actually. Vickers and David both remain very ambiguous characters; there's evidence which goes either way as far as their roles in the story are concerned. Here's some educated guesses: I don't think Vickers is an android, I think she's Weyland's (rejected) daughter. Underneath her cold demeanour, this is a personal thing for her. The true aim of the Prometheus mission is to obtain alien tech and use it to revive Peter Weyland (thus making him a God). David I think goes through quite a big character arc; he may well go from good to bad, to good over the course of the movie. Same might happen with Vickers. Holloway is described by the actor who plays him as wanting to stand alongside the Gods. This suggests he will become a Space Jockey/Engineer. David asks him "How far are you willing to go?" As far as recklessly stealing alien tech goes, David and Holloway are clearly the chief suspects. Shaw believes the map is an invitation. "We were so wrong", indicates it was actually a warning. Her beliefs are shattered and she must fight to survive; she is the human core of the film. Its possible that rather than there being one "Ripley", Shaw and Vickers represent different facets of Ripley. Vickers is the cautious, conservative side of Ripley, astute and calculating, whereas Shaw becomes the courageous warrior woman Ripley. Vickers is the character most likely to survive, and so will Shaw, probably, but Vickers may well betray Shaw. Vickers, after the incident at LV223, blocks any further exploration of that region. When she dies, some 30-odd years later, Weyland Corp re-opens their exploration, sending the Nostromo to Lv426. Milburn, who we see with the snake creature (being a botanist, he maybe presumes the creature to be nothing more than an alien snake), is probably the guy whose head gets melted/melded to his helmet. Fifield is the guy we see attacking the crew in the flamethrower scene. Who it is we see walking up to the crew member on the ramp and shocking him (darkened helmet, seemingly deformed head) is unknown. Ford appears to be convulsing in one of the previous trailers, perhaps attacked by a Space Jockey. The Engineers/Space Jockeys are a total mystery. Dust storm may be the SJ's arriving on the scene. They are seen entering the orrery and walking around while David is playing around with the Star Map. Its possible that one of the crew will end up in the pilot's seat.
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April 30, 2012, 1:55 a.m. CST
Could it be that the space jockeys don't want us humans getting our hands on the
by lv_426
creation of life goo (promethium fire) because they (jockeys) know we'll not use it to genuinely create life, but just to create life to exploit it and commodify it (like Weyland is doing with the David androids)? Perhaps the space jockeys feel that killing a few nosey humans out on some barren planet is worth it to save their children (us) from something we can't handle (that goo of life that David finds in the urns). Or maybe they are disgusted with our hubris and want to wipe us out or keep us from polluting other worlds by our getting our hands on that weird alien bio-tech?
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Thank god I have a life that doesn't revolve around if a movie opens up here first or not. So we see it a week later...so what?
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Peter Weyland trying to exploit alien biotechnology to become immortal, or to extend his lifespan could very well be a rule breaker to the space jockeys, thus forcing them to nip the Prometheus mission in the bud. Maybe the whole thing is a test? If we had come to make contact, not steal and exploit their technology, then perhaps the space jockeys would want to genuinely establish contact with us. This kind of thing could lead to more cinematic exploration of the Alien universe in the sense that the jockeys aren't evil, but we are. If the aliens of the past films were specifically designed to infect and destroy us or diminish our numbers, then perhaps the jockeys don't want us mining extra solar worlds, nor setting up terraforming colonies either? This could be an interesting thing to explore in sequels that take place after the Ripley storyline post Aliens and Alien 3. I guess that would de-canonize Alien Resurrection, but I'd be okay with that if it opened up new Alien possibilities.
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April 30, 2012, 2:41 a.m. CST
Fifield is the mutated crewman attacking the other and yanking him back at the end. Mutated head, but you can see the mohawk. Same attacker.
by reflecto
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thread... joss weedon cinematically got his ass kicked. by sir ridley scott.
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Kiiiiind of wish I hadn't read it now. On the plus side, with the amount they've just shown in that trailer I feel like I've already watched the film.
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April 30, 2012, 3:15 a.m. CST
Last time, it blew you threw the back wall of the theatre...
by Motoko Kusanagi
This time, it'll blow you sky high! Looks awesome! Cannot wait!
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April 30, 2012, 4:37 a.m. CST
ANYBODY REMEMBER THE GRAVITY-DEFYING LIQUID ON THE FIRST EGG IN A L I E N ?? ....
by unclemonty666
.... If you watch the first film, you'll notice liquid rising upwards from the egg just prior to Kane getting face-hugged; reminds me of the 'ceiling-activity' going on above their heads in the Prometheus clips. I thought this was (possibly) a nice tie-in to the first film, and possibly a clue to what the hell's going on in Prometheus.
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April 30, 2012, 4:52 a.m. CST
Folks, temper your expectations. Indeed look at this trailer properly. If you do this objectively you will identify the nature of thos film. I can't understand how they've released this. I just can't the Matketing department has played a blinder. Yh
by borisdoris
This is a largely British film hence why it is being released here first. That and as someone said because of the olympics. There has also been pressure, even from government to reduce the release deficit with the US prior to the introduction of further legislation to tackle pirating. It is felt the hige disarity between the US release and that of the UK release encouraged people to download rather than to wait. As for this trailer. I am disappointed with the studio for greenlighting it. Up until now the marketing has been spot on this trailer has pushed straight through the "myth" being built by you guys, the fans, and has revealled what the film really is which was something that was not going to be revealled. I will Say again. Temper those expectations and you will be fine otherwise you will be disappointed.
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I am assuming your comments indicate you're the one who has looked at this correctly and understood what Prometheus really is. Whether that's disappointing for you I don't know but knowing what you do be assured it is of its genre.
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April 30, 2012, 6:22 a.m. CST
re: "Looks a bit like a facehugger without the long "fingers.""
by buggerbugger
Yeah, some kind of proto-facehugger before it's evolved the familiar 'finger' legs. Those side-flaps make it look like it's wearing mittens, heh.
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I think It's Ridley Scott's answer To Fermi's Paradox. The Space Jockeys have left messages on every planet they come across that has life (they may or may not seed life on those planets in the first place). When that Life pitches up at the destination, they check its motives. and use a bio engineered life form to kill if it's a greedy grasping little life form like us. That's why, IMO, the derelict style craft is heading off to earth. to unleash a shipload of their destructo pets onto the planet, but still leaves the planet viable for them to try again (rather than going into orbit and nuking everything, even if it is the only way to be sure)
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April 30, 2012, 6:34 a.m. CST
re: "That brief 'holographic' shot of the 3 'Spacejockeys' running"
by buggerbugger
I'm pretty sure that's just the opposite view of the scene shown in an earlier trailer, with the one 'staticky-looking' Space Jockey guy running away down a corridor away from a couple of the Prometheus crew.
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They were called Shit Weasels. Yes, really :( King really did write that crap.
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Alien Redux. In my mind, I'm already there....but jeez, that clip showed a little too much. I agree that it should have had a Spoiler warning. I hate that I watched it (but I'm glad I did)
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So I bring my British righteousness to bear on your flapping mouths of idiocy! For starters, it IS a prequel. Fox were not stoked on funding a prequel set in a universe tarnished by AVP, so Ridley talked down the link to Alien. That said, it is very obviously a prequel to Alien, as in the events in this film influence the events in Alien. Accept it. Deal with it. move on. Secondly, enough of your SPOILERS bullshit. Do you know why Guy Pearce is in all the promo and behind the scenes for this? Me neither. Is Prometheus stopping the Space Jockey ship escaping, or is the not-very-derelict stopping Prometheus from taking a deadly cargo back to Earth? We don't know. What are the Space Jockeys? We don't know. What is that black goo? We don't know. Ridley is overseeing the campaign personally, you may THINK you know what the plot is, but that's just your conclusion based on a bunch of amazingly framed short clips from a 2 hour + movie. Thirdly, yes, the world exists outside the USA, thankfully, or we'd all be held hostage by a goddamn bible belt and treat our black citizens as fried chicken eating perps. So yeah, sometimes the rest of the world gets a movie first. Boo-fucking-hoo, why do you care, you've already figured out the whole film anyway haven't you? I'm off to play cricket and have a cup of tea.
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April 30, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST
The problem with this trailer is that I feel I've already seen the movie. They hit every single plot beat. Why do I want to see this now?
by Coughlins Laws
It's making me not want to shell out $20.
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Of course you wont watch this because you have already seen the beats in the trailer. Please read the learnéd gentlemans comments above yours. He says it better than I would. I would just call you a retard.
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Anyone else notice that they used Ripley's scream from the end of 'Alien,' right before she disposes of the Alien? It's at 2:38.
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And even went so far to say with one more film, it would connect directly with Alien.
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I want me some mother fucking Prometheus. Prometheus is the fucking hottie in a barely concealing nightgown saying =So are you gonna fuck me or what?=. But every time you reach out for her she says =Ah ah ah...don't be in such a hurry.= As much as I'm looking forward to Avengers, it doesn't compare to Prometheus, which means Prometheus has the greatest opportunity to be a let-down. Yeah you eventually get to fuck the hottie, but she ends up having really bad breath and she's on the rag. So they keep putting more and more footage out there and 90% of it is totally fucking awesome. 10% is sort of predicatable. Oh the signs of ancient cavemen point them to a place in space. That shit started with fucking Stargate and was copied by AVP for fuck's sake. They have arm-grabbers instead of face-huggers and they infect people with an alien virus thingee that changes them into fucked up humanoids that kill or infect the other crew members. I've more or less seen that plot many times. Ridley will do it better than anyone of course and it all looks fucking beautiful, but it's still pretty much the ALIEN formula. My point is that this would all be more powerful if I didn't know it was coming. I wish I didn't already know David was an android. I wish I didn't know the Prometheus smashes into the derelict ship. Shit, I wish I hadn't seen one fucking FRAME of this movie so it's magic could be all-encompassing. But I want to see as much of that hot bitch as soon as possible. This is my trouble.
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...I think that's so important to Prometheus...but that's just my 2 pence worth.
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April 30, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST
It seems pretty obvious to me what's going to happen in Prometheus
by Jaster Mareel
The space jockey's are terraformers, but they can't terraform with populated planets because they aren't warriors. So instead they send out a message to planets with intelligent life developing so that when they are advanced enough, they will follow the map. When they get there, their ship is probed, matched to the DNA (or whatever) of the home planet and a derelict ship is automatically dispatched to deliver the viral payload. This virus causes the host to go fucking crazy and kill/infect anyone it can find. Eventually everyone is infected and they will die of starvation. The Space Jockeys then come in and can mine the elements without conflict. Somehow the Prometheus is able to interrupt this automatic process and gets infected itself, then rams into and destroys the dispatched derelict ship. Thus saving humanity. Weyland finds all of this out via communiques with David and/or other androids aboard. Since they are looking to terraform themselves, they think this is a swell plan, so they want to somehow reprogram the process to work for us. In the end, David will save us all. Put that shit in the bank. Film two will show that this whole plan which has worked for millenia for the Space Jockeys, backfires huge when humans get incorporated. Our DNA mixed with the virus creates a super-breed that cannot be contained...the xenomorph. It wipes out the Space Jockeys and their final act is to take the eggs to LV-426 for quarentine.
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On a whim, I went back and watched the Alien trailer. It had that same relentless wailing sound throughout the second half of the trailer... Nice tie in... This looks badass by the way...
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April 30, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST
Folks you are over analysing it all. This trailer signposts it. It is all much simpler than this. Look to Alien AND Aliens to determine the tone and nature of prometheus
by borisdoris
Let's just say that any of the stories you are creating could be seen as backstory were they true. The tone and nature of the film does not deviate too far from Alien or Aliens. The problem is the marketing dept have realised from buzz online that the fans are ascribing more too the film than is the case. This trailer, which initially indicated a dropped ball, is actually and attempt to temper this fan excitement in order to avoid a backlash from disappointed fans harming box office. In greenlighting this footage however you do indeed have a lot of the actual plot out there. Roll back your expectations folks. I cannot say this strongly enough.
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April 30, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST
We also see the origin of the biomechanical roots of the xenomorph
by Jaster Mareel
Clearly the crew members are being melded with their space suits. Shit we even see the face shield being vacuformed over their skull. The xenomorph origin is pretty clear in the few frames we see of the infected crew. That shot of one standing next to Noomi who is submissive on the floor is only a few steps away from the xenomorph we all know. It's actually a pretty fucking brilliant concept to explain the hoses and dome of the xenomorph.
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But this is looking exciting by the minute. I guess the crew are gonna have a space battle with the Jockeys, or whoever is manning the alien ship? Interesting.
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=IT'S A TRAP!=
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I DID. I DONE GONE NUT! Y'hear me?! I DONE GONE NUT.
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April 30, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST
I hope the xenomorph origin is not alien goo melding and melting the humans into the alien creature
by lv_426
How does that explain the eggs/facehuggers stage of the life cycle then? Or the queen for that matter? We have to have the egg--facehugger--chestburster--full grown form lifecycle. We need that if the space jockey is going to get infected and have a chestburster pop out of it causing the hole in the jockey that Dallas, Kane, and Lambert found in A L I E N.
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...why so many people (on these and other boards) think that the crew of the Prometheus are the origins of the Alien Xenomorph. In one of the earlier trailers, there is a VERY clear shot depicting said beastie on the wall of the 'Engineer' caves...everyone must have seen this by now. How the fuck can this crew 'become' something that already fucking existed? (Merging with their spacesuits...really?) And enough with all the proto-this and proto-that. There's no fucking proto-anything in this movie. These are 'new' creatures, but with similar designs. And to the Mensa members whining about Fox giving too much away. How about staying off the message boards and not watching the trailers as they're released. //Rant concluded//
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April 30, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST
Hugh, show me the link and the timecode for the reveal of the xenomorph
by Jaster Mareel
You seem to be the only one clever enough to have found it. As for how Prometheus weaves with Cameron's Aliens, Scott doesn't have to acknowledge that film at all. He had nothing to do with it and Cameron just made up stuff that was not connected with the original film. As far as Ridley is concerned, the egg-laying warrior was how it worked and his =director's cut= includes that scene. He certainly wasn't worried about continuity then, why should he be now? Frankly I've always thought the Queen was a bit hackneyed and Earthlike so I'd be completely fine with seeing her removed.
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Check out the SYNAPSE REESTABLISHER: Another remarkable technological feat from Weyland scientists, the Synapse Reestablisher, through precise, minute electrical innervation, awakens dormant neurons in the brain tissue of deceased or dying patients. This delicate technology is highly sensitive and restricted to a select group of doctors and scientists. The 9 existing Reestablishers have been in use for the past 2 years in medical schools and biotech research centers for experimental use only, pending FDA investigation. I wonder if this gets used on Peter Weyland?
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April 30, 2012, noon CST
Oh for God's sake give up on the analysing. It is so so much simpler that all of that.
by borisdoris
You're all giving this too too much intellectual gravitas. Folks it isn't that picture. It really really isn't that picture. It's more base than that. Bring your expectations down to this then you may be thrilled. This isn't no Sunshine or 2001 it's just not. It's more Alien/Aliens than that.
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April 30, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST
For the record, I don't think the merging with spacesuits is a bad idea
by lv_426
Just that it isn't a good one for an Alien film nor is it a proper origin for the xenomorph. It detracts from the eerie Lovecraftian vibe that the original Alien, and so far Prometheus, exude so well. As a stand alone concept, the *suit-morph* is interesting and could be great in a totally different sci-fi/horror film or story. Kinda like how in the game Dead Space you've got some concepts and a similar mood reminiscent of Alien, but DS is its own separate thing. The necromorphs of DS are different monsters than the creatures of Alien and Aliens.
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April 30, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST
@redd, or maybe it's he final link in the process that =awakens= the inner xenomorph
by Jaster Mareel
I can imagine a scenerio where one of the crew is infected and dies, and they use this device on him, which not only re-energizes human DNA, but alien as well, which kickstarts the integration process. This could be the thing the Space Jockeys could not have foreseen that fucks everything up.
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Ah, yeah, could be. The Space Jockeys underestimated the puny humans!
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April 30, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST
re: "How the fuck can this crew 'become' something that already fucking existed?"
by buggerbugger
Exactly. The Prometheus crew can't be the origin of the biomechanical alien species because the wall mural depicting a biomechanical alien proves that the biomechanical alien species already existed prior to humans even setting foot on LV-223. Ergo, Prometheus humans being combined with their space suits into everyone's favourite biomechanical species is pretty much a none-starter as theories go. Thankfully.
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April 30, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST
Well I want to see this wall mural that shows the fucking xenomorph
by Jaster Mareel
I sure as shit haven't seen it and I've seen every trailer. And nobody else has ever mentioned it either. And another thought I had about the Queen, Noomi Rapaci could be that fucked up glass-toothed bitch!
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http://cinemart-online.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/xenomorph.jpg Yes that vaguely looks like a xenomorph, but I believe that is only an easter egg Ridley allowed to be put in there for the fans. And as someone else who claims to know people who worked on teh CGI says, that is the result of both human and =evil= DNA combined. So the Space Jockeys know the result of that combination before they seperated the two. Notice there is not enough detail on this wall relief to show if there are any biomechanical parts. there may not be originally and the merging while wearing the suits incorporates it. I still think this is where it's going. I don't know how you can watch the trailers and not see the crew looking very xenomorphy. What is the alternate explanation for this?
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April 30, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST
So Boris Doris you have seen the finished film already? Explain.
by Cureguy
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April 30, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST
Ridley favors his theatrical cut over his "Director's Cut" and has also said that he likes ALIENS quite a bit.
by Cureguy
He has also stated that anything after ALIENS is not canon. So the alien life cycle was up to Cameron's interpretation and Ridley never said he had a problem with it. Neither did Dan O'bannon or Ron Schuset who came up with the damn ALIEN idea in the first place. If they are fine with it then stop complaining!
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April 30, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST
Why would the Space Jockey's bother with an elaborate Come See Me Some Time trap?
by Domi'sInnerChild
Wouldn't they just send the payload immediately once they find a tasty mineral rich planet? Unless they just want to wipe out any species that gains the ability of space travel and can reach them. Seems more likely the Space Jokeys were just first into the trap that the humans just stumbled into. Although it's probably less a trap and more a "you blew it" trying to look upon the face of God (see Raiders of Lost Ark).
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Whoever wins, you end up with a penis-vagina snake impregnating your arm.
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April 30, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST
Wrath of Fett the mural doesn't look "vaguely" like a xenomorph it looks EXACTLY like a xenomorph!
by Cureguy
You just can't accept the fact that you lost the debate.
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Will there be a hieroglyphic of C-3P0 and R2-D2? ;-)
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April 30, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST
Mr. Chambers! Don't get on that ship! The rest of the book, To Serve Man, it's... it's a cookbook!
by Arafel
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I always wondered did the To Serve Man aliens keep rounding up humans who were blithely unaware they were cattle, or did the fact that IT'S A COOKBOOK leak out, or did the aliens just bump off everybody in earshot. Yeesh, that episode takes forever and ever to get to the twist. Just sayin'.
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Quote unquote, "This looks... alright." And that was just him being polite due to my enthusiasm in sending him the link. What the fuck is wrong with people now a days where a trailer like this just looks alright?
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...and leave Wrath Of Fett alone. You're saying he's "lost" a debate, how the fuck do you know? You haven't seen the fucking movie!
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As in the Star Wars prequels, it's always funny to see technology far more advanced that what's shown in the "later" movies. I mean, here they're rocking that goddamn Tom Cruise "iphoto in the air" bullshit, whereas Ripley and co. had text interfaces, commodore 64 keyboards and giant walls of flashing lights . . . Is no filmmaker willing to sack up and create retro-technology that allows the movies to maintain continuity?
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Movie-goers can only be expected to absorb so much in terms of a film's visuals in the depiction of a technological future. If the focus of the movie IS the tech, then more attention should be paid to that element... as depictions of technology are like any other story element, their appearance should support the story.
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Nostromo was a fucking bucket in space, Prometheus is the best tech money can buy. The Aliens tech manual only has an estimated date for Nostromo's launch date, approximately 20 years before Alien. Looking at the timelines, Prometheus and Nostromo were built around the same time.
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Ridley Scott said something like (SPOILERS) 'what if you met God and instead it turned out to be the devil'... Perhaps, as in the ancient Roman tradition, the "gods" seek worthy adversaries and the evolution of humankind has produced intelligent, explorer/warrior beings that must fight and kill the "gods" in order to become them.
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I am NOT going to watch this one, damn it! I wish this was coming out on Friday instead of the Avengers. No, actually it will be better with the waiting. I just have to try not to spoil the whole plot before then.
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The only thing that really bothers me about having ships in space is the story necessity to depict some kind of magical artificial gravity instead of treat zero-G realistically. I know why it's done, but it's such a massive concession to the import of story over realism, that when the next "realistic" space movie comes out, it will seem like a story inconvenience.
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will be the stranded in space flick from Alfonso Cuarón, "Gravity".
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April 30, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST
The Devil/God thing fits. Set out to meet creators/temptation/smoke monster attacks
by Domi'sInnerChild
It's kinda like those scenes in Lost with Jacob chillin' with the smoke monster. Just in space. With a penis-vagina-snake humping your arm while you watch naked Charlize pushups and Magneto shooting baskets on his bike. Wait, did David Lynch direct this?
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haha bluedog, that's right, with all the tapping of the key sounds they did too. It's like the "company" spent all the money for the fusion/hyper drive and spaceframe. They scavenged all the old 8-bit stuff from the 20th century for the ship controls. The "trucker" crew deemed to dumb to use the yellow holo-rubik's cube of all the prometheus crew with multiple ph'ds! (and laser-red glow flying yo-yo's!)
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It was cute that Lucas tried to justify it as being "used", but it's really not something to get bent about. It doesn't take you out of the movie any more than using a different actor. Alien was made in 1979 with a limited budget. C-64 keyboards and CRT monitors were state of the art under those conditions.
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Avengers, Prometheus, TDKR, and more!
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April 30, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST
The Retrotech still works too. They do these "updated" gags strictly for eye-candy.
by Pixelsmack
Seriously. Go back and watch ALIEN or 2010 and all the computers and gadgets still hold up. They all work nicely and look functional. More over they feel more real as they are more relatable to our own real world. We do have Kinect and multi-touch, true, but we still all throw switches and smash buttons. So the only conclusion for these "Minority Report" gags is simple VFX exposition. "Look at this cool thing for simple the fact that's it cool." :/
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April 30, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST
More to the point, Scott and the writers have all recently said that a sequel/franchise would stray even further from Alien. Fox intends for this to be a tentpole from now on.
by reflecto
And no, honestly, nothing Boris is claiming about the "benevolent Engineers" tracks with anything the production has been saying in the press these last few months. The latest articles have them saying the Prometheus discovers a single survivor of the race on LV-223 and that these are bad people.
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April 30, 2012, 6:24 p.m. CST
Black Liquid Goo = Result of Facehugger nailing a Smoke Monster
by Domi'sInnerChild
It's really obvious when you think about it.
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Besides maybe the CRT monitors on the Nostromo and the weird blinky Mother Mainframe Room, the tech between both films actually works just fine in terms of continuity. -- Think of the Nostromo as a giant factory in space. It is towing a shit-ton of mineral ore en route to Earth from Thedus. The various ore is possibly explosive if things get mixed up wrongly. Better to let the humans fly the ship as simply as possible by making as much of the operating procedures idiot-proof. Go into any factory or manufacturing plant nowadays, and it might seem old an retro operation in some ways due to the fact that each machine is made for a very specific task meant to be efficient and repeatable. Simple looking buttons and basic text/symbols on the computer screens. -- Think of the Prometheus as a cutting edge science lab on a starship. It is cleaner, more sterile, and packed with more advanced gear, software, and tools. It is a science lab and exploration vehicle, which reflects the Prometheus mission statement. Go into a cutting edge science or R&D lab, and compared to a factory you'd most likely see a more sterile environment where the researchers probably have nice flatscreen LCD monitors attached to their workstation computers. The software they are running to conduct their research is also going to veer towards the more complex, and could be run on a Windows or Mac machine. Stamping parts on a big ass assembly line is a wholly different endeavor than messing with nanotech or DNA in a research environment. The tools will differ, and this is visible nowadays, which is why the Alien/Prometheus extrapolations work pretty well, regardless of the age of Alien. The Nostromo is basically built to haul shit from planet A to planet B. The Prometheus is sent out to land on various worlds, send out a team of specialists to explore, and then to examine any findings or data there on the spot. Even though the Nostromo landed in Alien, it was much more awkward and it got damaged doing so. Then look at the difference between Alien and Prometheus, where the crews walk versus being able to use all terrain vehicles. It is obvious that the two ships serve pretty vastly different roles. Now, yes, some of the glossy feel of Prometheus is due to it being new while Alien is three decades old. Compared to something like the Star Wars prequels though, I feel that Alien/Aliens and Prometheus feel like they fit together in a much more consistent manner than the SW prequel trilogy does when compared to the original trilogy. Also, as others have said here before, Prometheus being a prequel to Alien and Aliens, is sort of presenting a throwback to a more retro look in its design. Alien is much more cynical and a product of the 70's mentality. Prometheus feels like it is referencing the earlier periods of sci-fi/space opera from the 50's and 60's (big bubble helmets, tighter space suits, more optimistic nature in the sense of exploration). I think that is pretty cool and obviously deliberate on Sir Ridley's part. In terms of design, Prometheus definitely feels like it has a bit of 2001 and Star Trek flowing through it along with retaining bits of the original design elements from Alien (Ron Cobb/Moebius designs for tech, Giger for the alien elements).
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April 30, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST
The "Damon Lindelof = lol Lost" jokes are even worse than Lost itself. Thanks, guys, that's a wrap.
by reflecto
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I think people might be reading too much into this. Heck, nowadays on any given day look what might be pulling into any major port here on good ole earth. You have everything from 3rd world tankers, aged military vessels, new military vessels, yachts, trawlers, vessels under sail and jet skis.....everything under the sun. Technology isn't linear...it's subject to budget constraints, fashion, ideology, junk science, whatever damn thing you can think of. When the space shuttle retired, your PS3 probably had more computational power than all of its systems combined, yet it went into orbit and my poor old PS3 is lucky if it even sees a Blu-Ray. In the end, I think we're saying the same thing.
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This is really bumming me out. Lost soured me on a whole lot of these stupid weekly serials. What they did in the end should have been criminal and cost Lindelhof pretty much all of his credibility.
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