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‘Schemes And Plots Are The Same Thing!!’ Herc Loves Tonight’s GAME OF THRONES!! Discuss Also MAD MEN, The GOOD WIFE Finale, Almost-Last AMAZING, KILLING, ONCE, GIRLS, VEEP, 60 MINUTES And METALOCALYPSE!! SWEEPS DAY FOUR!!

Published at: April 29, 2012, 4:52 a.m. CST by hercules

Last week Robb launched his direwolf and met Talisa, King Joffrey made pliant young women hurt each other, Catelyn Stark was reunited with her husband, Arya Stark met Tywin Lannister (who outed her as a transvestite and offered her a job, Renly compared his brother Stannis to a ham, Dany made her way to the gated community of Qarth and the Red Woman Melisandre showed Davos Seaworth (The Onion Knight!) what was under her robe.

HBO says of “The Ghost of Harrenhal”:

The end of the Baratheon rivalry drives Catelyn to flee and Littlefinger to act. At King’s Landing, Tyrion’s source alerts him to Joffrey’s flawed defense plan and a mysterious secret weapon. Theon sails to the Stony Shore to prove he’s worthy to be called Ironborn. In Harrenhal, Arya receives a promise from Jaqen H’ghar, one of three prisoners she saved from the Gold Cloaks. The Night’s Watch arrive at the Fist of the First Men, an ancient fortress where they hope to stem the advance of the wildling army. Written by David Benioff and D.B. Weiss; directed by David Petrarca.

* It turns out the “secret weapon” described in HBO’s synopsis is NOT Mellisandre and her smoky offspring.

* Melisandre is not in this episode nor the next. But Stannis and Davos are.

* Jamie Lannister also skips tonight and next week.. I don’t think we’ve seen him since the series premiere. I guess he’s not up to anything interesting in captivity – or perhaps the actor is busy with a movie.

* Tyrion feels terribly underappreciated this week.

* Jon Snow and the Night’s Watch are back this week, with no further discussion of who or what snatched up Craster’s son.

* HBO’s synopsis doesn’t mention Dany, but we see her tonight with all the Red Waste scrubbed off her. We also learn the current location of her dragons.

* How does it end, spoiler boy? With Arya Stark’s grinning face.

 

Last week Ginsberg revealed he was from Mars, Peggy mounted her first Draperless presentation, got tossed off Heinz and gave a hippie a hand job, Don lost an entire woman and Roger dropped LSD before he broke up with the former Jane Siegal.

There was also a lot of orange sherbert, and, four years before the premiere of “The Mary Tyler Moore Show,” Roger gave himself Ted Knight’s hair.

Is Roger going to dye his hair and become a colossal acidhead?

AMC says of “At The Codfish Ball”:

Don, Roger and Pete attempt to bring in new business. Sally comes to the aid of a relative.

 

If you’re curious what Brian Williams’ daughter might look like in heat, you should perhaps give tonight’s new episode of “Girls” a peek.

 

 

Returning tonight:


Metalocalypse (12:15am CN)

 

Premiering tonight:


My Big Fat American Gypsy Wedding (10pm TLC) “will explore the tight-knit Gypsy community, offering up unprecedented access to their lives, welcoming viewers into their homes and trailers, and inviting them to their infamous Swarovski Crystal-studded weddings.”

Sundays, Jan. 29-April 22, 2012
(Adults 18-49; repeats in gray; older weeks in parentheses)
3.0 (1.1) (1.0) (2.8) (2.9) (2.9) (2.9) (3.4) (---) (3.1) (3.0) (---) (3.5) Once Upon A Time
2.6 (2.6) (2.5) (---) (2.6) (2.7) (2.9) (2.8) (2.2) (2.8) (---) (---) (---) The Amazing Race
--- (2.2) (1.8) (2.5) (2.1) (2.8) (2.8) (2.8) (1.6) (2.8) (2.5) (1.1) (3.1) Family Guy
2.1 (2.2) (2.1) (1.8) (1.8) (1.8) (2.0) (2.3) (1.8) (2.6) (---) (---) (---) Celebrity Apprentice
--- (2.1) (0.9) (1.2) (1.5) (1.5) (1.6) (1.5) (1.0) (1.2) (1.2) (0.8) (1.3) Cleveland Show
--- (1.9) (1.4) (1.7) (2.0) (2.1) (1.9) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Bob’s Burgers
1.9 (1.8) (1.3) (---) (1.8) (1.9) (1.7) (1.9) (---) (2.1) (---) (---) (2.2) The Good Wife
1.8 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Fox 25th Anniversary
1.8 (1.8) (1.9) (2.0) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Game of Thrones
1.8 (1.4) (2.2) (1.4) (2.3) (2.2) (1.7) (1.6) (1.3) (1.8) (2.8) (0.5) (1.5) 60 Minutes
--- (---) (1.7) (---) (2.1) (1.8) (2.1) (2.1) (1.1) (2.2) (---) (0.6) (2.3) CSI Miami
1.7 (1.6) (1.1) (1.1) (1.4) (1.2) (1.2) (1.5) (0.9) (---) (1.3) (1.2) (2.1) Real Housewives Atl
1.6 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Firelight
--- (---) (1.5) (2.0) (2.0) (2.2) (2.2) (2.1) (1.5) (2.2) (1.8) (1.0) (2.4) American Dad
--- (1.5) (1.5) (1.9) (2.1) (2.0) (2.3) (2.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) GCB
1.5 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Real Housewives NJ
1.5 (2.3) (1.5) (1.7) (1.9) (2.4) (2.3) (2.5) (1.6) (2.6) (2.0) (0.8) (2.4) The Simpsons
1.4 (1.6) (1.0) (1.2) (1.2) (1.3) (1.4) (2.2) (---) (2.0) (2.0) (0.7) (1.9) AFH Videos
1.4 (1.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) NYC 22
1.3 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Married With Children
1.2 (---) (1.1) (1.0) (1.3) (0.9) (1.2) (1.0) (1.2) (1.0) (1.1) (---) (1.3) Ax Men
1.2 (1.3) (1.0) (1.0) (1.0) (1.1) (0.9) (1.0) (1.1) (---) (1.6) (---) (---) Dateline
1.1 (0.9) (0.9) (0.8) (0.8) (0.9) (1.0) (1.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Army Wives
1.1 (1.0) (0.9) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Client List
1.0 (0.9) (0.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Chopped
0.9 (0.9) (1.0) (---) (0.8) (1.0) (1.1) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Harry’s Law
0.9 (1.0) (0.9) (0.9) (---) (1.0) (1.0) (1.1) (---) (1.4) (---) (---) (---) Khloe & Lamar
0.9 (1.0) (1.0) (1.0) (1.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Mad Men
0.9 (0.7) (---) (0.8) (0.7) (0.7) (0.6) (0.7) (---) (0.8) (0.7) (---) (1.1) Mob Wives
0.9 (0.8) (0.8) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Mythbusters
0.9 (---) (---) (---) (1.6) (0.8) (---) (0.9) (3.3) (0.7) (1.0) (---) (0.6) NBA Basketball
0.9 (0.7) (0.5) (0.4) (0.7) (---) (0.5) (0.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (0.7) Watch What Happens
0.8 (0.8) (0.7) (0.6) (0.9) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Long Island Medium
0.7 (0.7) (0.6) (0.8) (---) (1.0) (1.9) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Frozen Planet
0.6 (0.6) (0.7) (0.7) (0.5) (0.7) (0.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Breakout Kings
0.6 (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.6) (0.5) (0.7) (0.5) (0.4) (---) (---) (---) (0.6) Cupcake Wars
0.6 (0.6) (0.7) (0.6) (---) (0.6) (0.8) (0.9) (---) (1.0) (---) (---) (---) Ice Loves Coco
0.6 (0.6) (0.6) (0.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) The Killing
0.6 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Veep
0.4 (0.7) (0.8) (0.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) River Monsters

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  • April 29, 2012, 5:21 a.m. CST

    Metalocalypse! And Game of Thrones! Christmas came early!

    by happybunni

  • April 29, 2012, 5:34 a.m. CST

    How many episodes of GoT have you seen Herc?

    by elsewhere

    I thought you were only given four.

  • April 29, 2012, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Finally some Icelandi footage

    by syn_flood

  • April 29, 2012, 6:32 a.m. CST

    Seems like a pretty key episode of GoT

    by Rebel Scumb

    A lot of pieces maneuvering into position for the 2nd half of the season.

  • April 29, 2012, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Here Comes The Wildfire Methinks!

    by Crow3711

    Really getting into it now. Can not wait to see the shadow made his presence felt in the first scene of tonights episode (what I certainly imagine will be the first scene at least). Huge moment. Seeing a jar of wildfire will be fun fun fun. And more Jaqen H'gar. I liked him in his scene last week or the week before, whichever, I know some weren't convinced but I thought he was really cool.

  • *tear

  • April 29, 2012, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Also, wanna know the secret of MAD MEN?

    by TopHat

    ...Nothing has changed. That's it. That's what the show is about. Social changes have been realized, but, we as people have not changed one bit: The characters on the show are really no different from ourselves right now. That's what the series finale, showing Don present day, is going to reveal. Nothing has changed. BOOM! What was that? Me, dropping some knowledge on you.

  • April 29, 2012, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Red waste scrubbed off of her

    by fuzzy_dunlop

    Methinks I like the sound of that. Yar.

  • April 29, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Sounds like Tyrion finally makes it to visit (SPOILER)

    by obijuanmartinez

    The Guild Hall of the Pyromancers!

  • April 29, 2012, 8:09 a.m. CST

    What kind of wonderful depravity will be featured in this episode's (s)exposition scenes?

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    I love that gimmick even though they don't need it whatsoever. Song of Ice and Fire! Make sure your whores tune in.

  • April 29, 2012, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Son of a bitch.

    by tye dye mann

    Herc still doesn't give GoT it's own talkback, after giving Parks and Rec it's own a few days ago. If that isn't a passive aggressive response to all of the requests for a dedicated talkback from last week, then my name is Betty. (my name is not Betty)

  • April 29, 2012, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Jaime

    by tye dye mann

    probably will not be in more than two or three scenes this season, including the one with Robb in the premiere. He only had the one scene at the end of the book, so fans of the character should probably curb their expectations. But is a POV character in SoS, so season three will make up for that.

  • April 29, 2012, 8:26 a.m. CST

    people who complain about GOT sex

    by PlayerHater_of_the_year

    Don't ever read the books, because its way more graphic than HBO would ever allow. But that's why you insecure babies have Harry Potter.

  • April 29, 2012, 8:30 a.m. CST

    I have to say

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    ...that the final scene of the episode from last week was brilliantly done. I thought they were just going to do some low-budget Xena/Hercules type effect, or just do some shadow puppet work. But they went all-out, and the end result was something creepy, disturbing, and very much amazing. Props to the artist/designer who came up with that.

  • April 29, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Valar Morghulis...

    by obijuanmartinez

  • April 29, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    HODOR!

    by obijuanmartinez

  • April 29, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST

    I wish there were more episodes in a season.

    by alan_poon

  • April 29, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST

    ….Valar Dohaeris

    by Crow3711

  • April 29, 2012, 10:36 a.m. CST

    ...and so begins Arya Stark's bigger journey (SPOILER)

    by obijuanmartinez

    Curious to see if she'll actually complete her training w/ the Faceless Men & become a full-bore assassin!

  • April 29, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    A few things I hope they manage to squeeze into this season

    by heylookoverthere

    Tyrion's power play concerning Tommen, and Fat lord Manderly in winterfell complaining about Ramsey's forced marriage to lady Hornwood. I know they haven't cast Ramsey but they could at least start laying the groundwork for how fucked up he is. And more Podrick!

  • April 29, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Oh also the Karstarks

    by heylookoverthere

    If only for Alys later on

  • April 29, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST

    tye_dye_mann - hey Betty- 'w'sup?

    by Michael Lunney

  • April 29, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST

    I'm glad they didn't kill off Dany's hot handmaiden (roxanne mckee)

    by Rebel Scumb

    In the books I'm pretty sure her character died of thirst while they were stuck in the desert before they found Qarth.

  • April 29, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Adam Goldberg is an annoying actor.

    by SnootyBoots

    That guy's got more tics than a two speed clock.

  • April 29, 2012, 1:08 p.m. CST

    The Ratings and the Talkbacks Show One Thing

    by Aquatarkusman

    Only New York Times style columnists give a rat's ass about dreary, repetitive Mad Men anymore.

  • there wouldn't be any complaining about too much hot sex and nudity, because all those homosexual-Americans would be over in the Mad Men thread talking about how great all the conversations in Mad Men were.

  • April 29, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Arya Stark’s grinning face.

    by Cash907

    Ooooo you know she's getting Needle back tonight. Wonder how, though? She going to kill that ass herself, or is the guy she freed going to do it for her? And Fuck Mad Men. That show sucks. Even when you cut out everything else and just string Christina Hendrick's scenes back to back, it's still not talk-back worthy.

  • April 29, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    This talkback could be worse....

    by BangoSkank

    Bill Mahr could be on Sundays. Just sayin'...

  • April 29, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    BOTH Mad Men and Game of Thrones

    by cocolopez

    are among the greatest television series of all time- enough of the stupidity. So many here seem to only like one and bash the other. Such narrow tastes. I seem to be in the few here that get two hours on Sunday back to back of supreme television entertainment. Oh well.

  • But Mad Men is just that good. It's a show for grown-ups. I guess if something doesn't have violence or dragons or lasers or robots, then all the nerds can't satisfy their wet-dream man-child urges that have carried over from their childhood.

  • April 29, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Yes please more Bill Maher talk

    by Extr3m1st

    Retards...

  • April 29, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    It's Hilarios to Me How Insecure Mad Men Haters Are

    by Crow3711

    I think they it's intellectually above thir pay grade, so they have to deride fans as "homosexuals" and "dreary". It's not a pissing contest guys. It's a great show. Your brain isn't equipped to handle it. There's nothing wrong with that. But your thoughtless reviews and insults speak much more to your character than ours.

  • April 29, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST

    I look forward to The Killing simply for Holder and Linden...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    But Mitch's story looks like it could be becoming interesting -- finally, the show gives her something to do other than crying about her daughter and fighting with her husband. By the way, I called it last season that Stan was probably not Rosie's father. But maybe Veena Sud is ripping off my ideas from here. :)

  • April 29, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST

    iPhone = typos = apologies

    by Crow3711

  • The Mayor is Rosie's father. He knocked up Mitch when she messed around as an escort. Mitch was part of a nasty escort, sex slave organization that the Mayor and other powerful dirty old men partake in. Rosie, like her mother, got messed up in this at first, was about to get out, but stayed in it in order to figure out the truth both about her mother's past and who her really father. She got too close to the truth -- discovered the whole sex conspiracy thing -- and was held, kidnapped, thrown into the trunk of the car. Her death could have been accidental, though -- her kidnappers might have been arguing about what to do with her, but then the car was either run off the road or slipped into the water. The Mayor's assistant and the Mayor were probably present, maybe even in the car, when this happened. They didn't intend for her to drown. But they've been covering her death up. The theme of sex slavery and young women being exploited for the pleasure of old fucked up men has been alluded to throughout the series, most notably in the first season when the Rosie's teacher was revealed to have been helping a young Muslim girl from being circumcised. Det. Linden herself was a lost child as a teen. This season will probably be the last with the revelation above, and the arrest of the mayor and his assistant. But if The Killing manages to spin into a season three, then the focus will be on Linden and Holder, with the help of Mayor-Elect Richman, to expose and take down the heads of this sex ring. I didn't derive the above from the original Danish series -- I never watched it, nor am I familiar with how that series played out.

  • April 29, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST

    The Killing: Mitch's storyline now could also tie into the conspiracy...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    The teenage girl she befriended who reminds her of Rosie could be enslaved in this sex trafficking ring. So Mitch herself could discover vital information that is instrumental to this conspiracy connected to the death of her daughter.

  • April 29, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST

    The Killing

    by Extr3m1st

    Mitch and the sister are involved, that was the sister getting into the same car as that girl Mitch befriended right? The Mayor is definitely involved, that guy is always the bad guy in every show he appears in lol.

  • Should I check out the original Danish version of the series that aired on BBC4, or go straight to the American version?

  • April 29, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Killing is Garbage, Wasted 12 hours of my life on season one

    by Crow3711

    And I almost never consider watching a show, good or bad, a true waste of time. I always find things to learn, some twist I've never seen etc, but that show is completely empty bullshit. Lies lies and more lies. You can't do a mystery where the viewer has absolutely zero trust in the writers, and that show demolished my resolve by the finale. Legitimately terrible television.

  • April 29, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    crow3711

    by Extr3m1st

    The show has improved a lot since season 1 IMO, but to each his own. I can definitely understand people not liking that show. I really liked Rubicon, my friends all thought it sucked.

  • I suggest that you enjoy Once Upon A Time. Its a great show that doesn't have all of those things. (And thats not knocking GOT's greatness)

  • April 29, 2012, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Hopefully The Killing will get better soon...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I know other Talkbackers don't like them, but the characters Holder and Linden (and the actors who play them) are the main draw for me. And I am almost certain there is a sex trafficking conspiracy going on with the main arc -- I'm willing to bet on it. This season's revelations will be that this conspiracy exists, that the Mayor is Rosie's father, and the Mayor -- who is a nasty piece of shit, clearly -- and his assistant are involved in this prostitution ring, and are implicated in Rosie's death, which was probably unintentional. A third season would go into the conspiracy, exposing it and bringing it down. Holder and Linden would be helped by Richman and a series of clues left behind by Rosie who did her own investigative work, but Richman's girlfriend's father probably will be the big bad who will try to stop them. Ms Sud, feel free to take my ideas! :D

  • April 29, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Prof. I think you may be on the ball about the Killing

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    I haven't watched the original series but I think the first two seasons and the third are not connected, though season 3 I think dealt with sex trafficking? So maybe in the American version the original's two story lines. It makes sense what I've been seeing in the AMC version. By the way, Sunday night right not really is a great night for cool TV series... including the return of Metalocalypse.

  • What I meant is that maybe they have taken the original versions Seasons 1&2 plot and merged it with its Season 3 which focused on sex trafficking of girls. The two sets of plots were separate in the original version of The Killing I think.

  • April 29, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Ideas on The Killing

    by yubnubrocks

    I agree with many of you above that there is some kind of sex ring conspiracy going on, but.... I believe that Richmond is Rosie's true father (but he doesn't know it). This is why Richmond was spending time with Rosie (she had figured it out and was trying to connect with him). Somehow Jamie (Richmond's campaign manager) has figured this out and knows that it will destroy Richmond's campaign (and possibly his own career). So he kills Rosie. I know, far fetched, but it'll be interesting to see what's really going on.

  • April 29, 2012, 5:27 p.m. CST

    I Absolutely Loved Rubicon extremist, I Still Lament It's Death

    by Crow3711

    I think my extreme negativity to The Killing also stems, a little bit, because I absolutely can not understand how AMC justified giving the killing another season when it had slightly better ratings but was an utter creative failure, while Rubicon had insane amounts of potential, a great cast, and yea, the ratings sucked, but like Mad Men, you have to give it time to grow. I don't believe the Killing is going to inspire an audience that grows over time. But seriously, even if its better than s1…that ain't saying' much for me. At least we'll always have Rubicon.

  • April 29, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST

    crow3711

    by yubnubrocks

    Rubicon was a good show. I miss that one too. Also, if you haven't seen HOMELAND yet (Showtime), I highly recommend it.

  • Epic serial fantasy, told with a straight face, pandering to not one child, with crazy sex and horrifying violence? Not so much.

  • April 29, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Rubicon

    by SuperXY

    I loved it. Homeland is filling the gap pretty nicely though.

  • OR they watched the pilot with the attitude of 'I'm not gonna like this stupid shit'

  • April 29, 2012, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Yes, it is possible to love both "Mad Men" and "Game of Thrones"

    by Toe Jam

    But both are mere pimples on the left buttock of "Breaking Bad."

  • April 29, 2012, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Is no one else watching "Girls"?

    by Toe Jam

    I know 90% of you sexually repressed, misogynistic fanboys would never even give it a chance, but after a so-so first episode, the second one last week was goddamn funny. I really think many of you would like it. It's raunchy and honest and hilarious and doesn't have a fucking laugh track. Try it. It's nothing like "Sex & the City." I promise it won't make you gay or hipster or cause you to grow a vagina.

  • April 29, 2012, 6:05 p.m. CST

    ^ watched two eps with my girlfriend, it was pretty funny

    by Tim

  • April 29, 2012, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Girls is "Honest?"

    by Cash907

  • April 29, 2012, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Girls is "Honest?"

    by Cash907

    Honest about whitewashed nepotism being the rule of law in Hollywood, maybe. I'm black and I work for a living, so why the hell would I want to watch "Girls?" I know rich white from New York are whiny and worthless, the hell I need to waste an hour on dumpy nudity to figure that out?

  • April 29, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Yup, "Girls" is honest

    by Toe Jam

    And your point about nepotism doesn't really make any sense. Neither does your point about being black and working for a living. Are you a crafty small person from a royal family living in a world of bladed weapons and constantly changing allegiances? Then why the hell would you watch "Game of Thrones"? Are you a cancer-stricken chemistry teacher who turns to meth manufacturing in a wildly misguided attempt to provide for your family? Then why the hell would you watch "Breaking Bad"? Regardless, we're talking about entertainment. Do you require some profound lesson or takeaway from every other show you watch? I don't need a show to teach me that rich white girls from New York can be whiny and worthless, either. But I don't watch "Girls" looking for anything other than a few laughs. I doubt you truly hold other shows to such high standards. You simply decided you hated "Girls" before watching even five minutes of it and judging it on its actual merits. That's pretty brainless and stubborn and sad.

  • April 29, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST

    I'll fess up to not giving up on Killing.

    by Fico

    Even though I said I would. I think now I understand that the only way to enjoy this show is to not care about the mystery. It's all about Linden and Holder and their great chemistry. And *just that* wouldn't be enough probably, but what saves the show this season is that Richmond's story is much more interesting now that he's not a red herring suspect.

  • April 29, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST

    MM, GOT, Girls, Veep

    by Alex Fritz

    Sunday gives me a night to recover from my developing alcoholism with the greatest single night scheduling in as far as ever I think. The only show I keep up with apart from tonight's lineup is Parks and Recreation. If only Venture Bros. would return before next year, shit would be so cash. But then I guess I'll have Boardwalk to accompany it. tl;dr I love Sunday night television. ps so does this season of The Killing end with Leeland Palmer turning out to have murdered his daughter because he's been possessed by BOB? Cause it sure sounds like this show's a lesser version of TP.

  • April 29, 2012, 7:06 p.m. CST

    MM and GOT are better than BB

    by Alex Fritz

    Personally I think they're better, if only by slight, minute degrees. Maybe it's just the story lines of MM and GOT that click with me more than BB. Maybe it's my strong hate for Pinkman that's why I prefer MM and GOT. Who knows, they're all phenomenal television. But to call GOT and MM specks on the ass of BB just doesn't sit with me. *Spoiler* Plus if you wanna get nit picky, the end of Gus, walking out of the room then falling, was wack as fuck for a show of that continually claims its realism.

  • April 29, 2012, 7:26 p.m. CST

    The best television currently airing, or in development

    by Alex Fritz

    Game of Thrones, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Parks and Recreation, Archer, Venture Bros, Boardwalk Empire, Enlightened, Curb Your Enthusiasm, The Boondocks, Futurama. It's a good time for scripted programming. Plus, promising shows such as Veep and Girls and The Newsroom make my blood boil. And fucking Arrested Development. Holy shit, holy shit, holy shit.

  • April 29, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST

    When talking about television this good...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...you are talking about pretty small degrees of separation and probably mostly just individual taste. For me Breaking Bad is currently the best show on television. Game of Thrones would be behind it by a small but measurable distance and Mad Men would fall behind Game of Thrones by an even smaller amount. The differential, for me, comes from the fact that that Mad Men is neither a true ensemble show (like GOT) because its narrative is absolutely dominated by Don, nor a show focused on one or two characters where the through lines of any other characters are told almost absolutely from the perspective of how they impact the central, viewpoint characters. Because of this there have been, over the years, numerous subplots that consumed considerable time but never connected, except for perhaps in the most tenuous thematic sense, with the main narrative. There have been some that have simply been abandoned. I love Mad Men. Don Draper is one of the most complex and compelling characters ever created for television. And I realize that the subplots which have been dropped represented a conscious, stylistic choice and are not the product of lazy writing. But it being a stylistic choice doesn't automatically make it optimal storytelling, and for those of you who are sure to say it is part of what you love about the show I would answer that for the characters on Mad Men not named Don Draper there is a very finite amount of time for characterization and development, and by dropping or not fully developing these threads the show has wasted opportunities. It's a quibble, but when you're talking about shows on the level of these you've only got quibbles to go on.

  • April 29, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Breaking Bad is awesome..

    by DeltonParker

    but I have to admit that Game of Thrones is better. I've never been a fantasy guy and refused to watch the show until my friend tied me to a chair with a rat bucket and made me watch the Blu-Ray.. Now I can't look away.. Hands down best show on T.V. And this is from a long time Breaking Bad guy and Wire Watcher.. Man Men isn't bad at all, but not in the same class.

  • April 29, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST

    FINALLY SOME FUCKING DETHKLOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by la te ral us

  • April 29, 2012, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Wire > Breaking Bad > Mad Men > Deadwood > GoT > BSG

    by Crow3711

    At least so far, for me. But we're still talking about what I'm basically my 5 or 6 favorite dramatic series of all time, so GoT is still entirely incredible no matter where it falls on that list.

  • April 29, 2012, 8:01 p.m. CST

    deltonparker ...

    by Toe Jam

    I might have to use your comment to try for the umpteenth time to convince my wife to watch "Game of Thrones." She loves "Mad Men" and really likes "Breaking Bad." (She stopped watching this past season a few episodes in -- It got "boring," she said -- but is eager to give it another go on Blu-ray after all the buzz over the brilliance of the complete season.) But I cannot, for the life of me, get her to watch "Game of Thrones" (or "Lost," for that matter). I have the first season on Blu-ray, but she just flat-out refuses to give it a try. Of course, she'll happily watch any brainless ABC Family or CW shit like "Make It or Break It" or "Gossip Girl" or "Jany by Design." Maybe when summer arrives and TV becomes a fucking wasteland I'll be able to convince her. That's how we got into "Mad Men" last summer. A lot of series to digest on Blu-ray this summer, though: "Fringe," "The Wire," "Treme."

  • April 29, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Oh, Yea, Lost would be Between Wire and Breaking Bad

    by Crow3711

    Wire > LOST > Breaking Bad > Mad Men > Deadwood > GoT > BSG That's embarrassing for me. I'm only the word's biggest lost fan. I knew something was off when I hit post but I couldn't think of it, despite the box set literally staring me in the face.

  • April 29, 2012, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Toe Jam, Use My Strategy On her

    by Crow3711

    If you haven't already, I've convinced at least ten people to watch the entirety of lost when they opposed to even watching "any of that scifi bullshit" by just asking them to come over and spend 90 minutes watching the Pilot. Just sit down, watch the first episode like it's a movie with me, and at the end, if you don't desperately NEED to see the next episode, and the next, and so on, fair enough. Almost all of them have gone on to complete the series in a matter of weeks. It's addicting and fun once you get started. Just get the wife to give that first episode a try, and I'll bet she'll go along for the ride. You come for the mystery, but in my opinion she'll stay for the characters.

  • April 29, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST

    I'm still waiting for HBO to try there hand at scifi.

    by some dude

    I enjoy fantasy but scifi is were the really big and interesting ideas are at. Because lets be honest 90% of fantasy is waaay to influenced by tolkein, even GoT. Guess they could give Dune a shot but I would hate to see another failed attempt at the greatest scifi novel ever.

  • April 29, 2012, 8:23 p.m. CST

    crow3711, I've tried that tact ...

    by Toe Jam

    And it doesn't work. My wife, bless her, is a very, very stubborn woman who is damn near impossible to sway once she has made up her mind about something. I've hounded her about "Lost" for years now. I once delivered what I thought was an excellent pitch about how the show is brilliant because of the rich tapestry of great characters and their relationships -- that the sci-fi elements were just needless dressing. I failed, however, to convince her. I'll keep trying, though. Now that every episode is on Hulu, there's no reason I can't somehow get her to watch at least the pilot.

  • April 29, 2012, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Last week's MM achieved the impossible: it made Roger boring

    by CountryBoy

    That whole LSD thing was a very long, drawn-out way to handle a plot-point that, apparently, was on its way regardless.

  • April 29, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST

    crow, sopranos?

    by jsfithaca

    for me right now its wire, bb, sopranos, mad men, boardwalk empire, friday night lights, game of thonres. i still havent watched bsg or lost. i just started the second seasons of deadwood and enjoy it but thinks its overrated. i love al swearengen but none of the other characters do much for me.

  • April 29, 2012, 9:01 p.m. CST

    The Killing (Spoilery question)

    by genesis495

    What was the name Mitch had on her letter? I could not read it all before the camera cut away.

  • April 29, 2012, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Another great GOT episode

    by rapscallion86

    Brienne of Tarth pledging her life! Rickon smashing walnuts with a rock! Qhorin Halfhand! Wildfire! I feel like this was the first episode where each character's screentime was the perfect length. Each episode should just get longer and longer damnit. Anyways, Blackwater will be here before we know it. It's going to be DOPE.

  • April 29, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST

    GOT...

    by carlotta_valdes

    Scenes with: Catelyn and Brienne Arya and Tywin = Perfection Must admit Brienne's pledge made me well up a bit. Great episode.

  • SPOILERS, I guess but GOD DAMN did they fuck up Renly's death. I was so pissed about how horrible that scene was it almost took me out of the episode. Yeah, ok, I'm a nitpicking book reader, but why the way the shadow came in and Catelyn and brienne saw it so clear, then the way it appeared in the mirror, and the way it stabbed him from behind and roared?? Fucking lame! The way it's written is so perfect, with just the hint of a shadow and something being wrong, and then Renly's armor splitting open and blood spilling out.

  • April 29, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST

    also...

    by carlotta_valdes

    ...Dany and Jorah ...and Tyrion and Bronn. ...an Jagen and Arya.

  • April 29, 2012, 9:34 p.m. CST

    The good of the episode:

    by Tim

    -Arya's story is just great, and Jaquan Hagar (sp?) has been spot on. -Tywin. What an amazing scene. Charles Dance owns that character. -Dany's girlfriend there with the dragon...wow. She needs more screentime. -Ghost chillin in the background on the Fist. -Brienne and Catelyn scene, well done. -The Pyke...as usual, the Pyke scene was awesome.

  • April 29, 2012, 9:38 p.m. CST

    I Agree Renlys Death Was Fucked

    by Crow3711

    The shadow was handled wrong pretty much the moment it left the vagina. It should have been much, MUCH more subtle. But I guess it's a visual medium and they felt like if they were gonna do it, they might just go all out and make sure everyone sees what's happening and gets it. I don't agree with it, it was totally lame and "The Mummy-esque" but I understand I guess. Either way everything that was followed was still aces.

  • April 29, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Shadow

    by sideway

    Yeah, they fucked up the shadow scene. So lame. Does every cgi monster have to pause and scream? Dipshits... I am really liking Brienne, though.

  • April 29, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST

    I missed Ghost on the Fist...

    by rapscallion86

    I'll have to go back and look for that. I need more Direwolf. Anytime Rob or Jon has screentime it would be nice to see Grey Wind and Ghost at their sides from time to time.

  • You do realize you can watch -- and enjoy, though at different levels of enthusiasm -- more than one show at a time, right?

  • April 29, 2012, 9:46 p.m. CST

    LOL sideway, right? Wtf is it with the screeching?

    by Tim

    Like I said though, I think GoT was batting .1000 on the way they've shown important moments up until that scene

  • April 29, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Watched the shadow scene again..*spoilers*

    by rapscallion86

    I agree it could have been more subtle but I don't think it was as over the top as you may think. Besides afterwards Brienne kicked ASS although I thought I remember that Brienne had never actually killed a man until 'Feast For Crows'...? Am I wrong?

  • Surely this was the best episode ever!

  • April 29, 2012, 10 p.m. CST

    Brienne

    by sideway

    was so badass in this episode. She's one of my favorite characters from the book. I can't imagine why she would kill any of her compatriots in the tent...kind of odd. I think she just knocked them out or disabled them in the book. I'm kind of foggy on the details. I can't stand Littlefinger on the show. They've made him too much of a mustache twirling villian. I always thought he would have been a more subtle and careful/in control of his actions kind of a character.

  • April 29, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Someone please tell me I'm remembering wrong

    by SuperXY

    Wasn't the wildfire Tyrion's idea in the books? Because they sure as hell just made it sound like it was Joffrey's (or Cersei's) in the show. That would be the first change that is one of those "why the hell would you mess with something like that" moments. Are the show runner's working on some sympathy for Joff, or was it his idea in the books? Been a while since I read it.

  • April 29, 2012, 10:02 p.m. CST

    What, no rage at the first name?

    by bah

    I hope the Tickler is somehow replaced with another character to give Arya her awesome scene at the inn later.

  • April 29, 2012, 10:08 p.m. CST

    rapscallion, you are mistaken

    by Crow3711

    she definitely slaughtered the entire tent full of knights when they attack her after reply's death. I didn't like the shadow scene, but I thought Brienne's absolute domination of the other kings guard was really badass. Straight from the books.

  • April 29, 2012, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Wildfire

    by sideway

    I believe that the wildfire was Tyrion's idea in the book. I don't understand all these changes that undermine his character. Will the chains be Joffrey's idea as well? Will they even bother with the chains?

  • April 29, 2012, 10:12 p.m. CST

    mad men

    by smutpeddlar

    brilliant,mad men is so f'n good

  • April 29, 2012, 10:13 p.m. CST

    gotcha

    by rapscallion86

    I love her fighting style. Relentless berserker rage.

  • April 29, 2012, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Sideway

    by SuperXY

    Yeah that's just ridiculous. I can even give them something like Asha to Yara because it might confuse (stupid) people with Osha, but why do anything to paint Joff as competent? He's a dick. That's the only thing he should ever seem like because it's all he is.

  • April 29, 2012, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Wow, Roger....

    by Kwame

    got personal lip service by Julia Ormond!! Now he feels like a MAN again.... ;)

  • April 29, 2012, 10:20 p.m. CST

    actually...*spoilers*

    by rapscallion86

    I just read the shadow scene in the book and she DOES NOT kill them. In 'Feast' during her quest for Sansa, she kills someone for the first time.

  • April 29, 2012, 10:22 p.m. CST

    so I was not mistaken...

    by rapscallion86

    sorry brah

  • April 29, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Question (Spoiler)

    by Sin86a

    Didnt Arya kill the Tickler in SoS? Why have him killed now when it robs Aryanof one of her more memorable scenes (Inn at the Crossroads)?

  • April 29, 2012, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Brienne in Renly's tent

    by heylookoverthere

    She doesn't kill the guards in the books, one guy helps her and Cat escape. Then Loras comes in and kills two of his fellow Rainbow Guard members for failing to protect Renly and then letting Brienne escape. I guess they just wanted to show that she was bad ass and as upset by Renly's death as Loras was.

  • April 29, 2012, 10:33 p.m. CST

    *spoilers*

    by rapscallion86

    I can't wait for Brienne's journey with the Kingslayer. I absolutely love moments. Especially a certain escape attempt by the Kingslayer that leads to what will truly be a badass fucking fight. Can't wait to see that.

  • April 29, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Yes, Arya kills the Tickler later on in the books.

    by heylookoverthere

    But it easy enough to replace him with someone else later and not have to worry about maybe recasting the Tickler two seasons down the road. Sorta like how Marillion the singer gets his tounge cut out in season one. They'll just use another bard alter on.

  • April 29, 2012, 10:38 p.m. CST

    I do love that they brought Rickon back

    by heylookoverthere

    and that he acts as you would expect a six year old whose father was murdered and the the rest of his family left him to act. but there was no Dagmer Cleftjaw!

  • April 29, 2012, 10:41 p.m. CST

    I need more Shaggy Dog...

    by rapscallion86

  • April 29, 2012, 10:44 p.m. CST

    superxy

    by heylookoverthere

    Maybe they're trying to play up the parallel between Joff and the mad king? I agree it seems like a dumb change and "you're not making wildfire for my sister, you're making it for me" just lacked the punch I'm sure they intended it to have. They're still making the wildfire for the same basic purpose... Oh also Pyat Pree and Quathe were cool. Qarth in general was cool, and you have to love the bloodriders casually planing to melt down the golden peacock statue.

  • April 29, 2012, 10:50 p.m. CST

    No sex or nudity means

    by mgmontgomery

    This'll be the episode with the kids' commentary in the next DVD season.

  • April 29, 2012, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Wildfire and Dagmer

    by Bill Forbes

    The wildfire was definatley Cersei/Joff's idea from the book Tyrion just took it a step furthur, you will see in the coming episodes. And Dagmer was definatley in this episode he even said his name was Dagmer and was talking with Theon. And ya the shadow kill scene should have been when Renly had his armor on and been way more violent.

  • April 29, 2012, 11:03 p.m. CST

    wildfire and other stuff

    by themovieweasel

    In the book the wildfire was ordered by Cersei along with the building of weapons and scorpions. It was tyron's idea to train the men on the handling of wildfire by using pots full of paint at first, then lamp oil. Also, in the book Brianne does kills some knights on when she fights her way out. She even chops somebody's hand off.

  • April 29, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST

    I totally missed that that was Dagmer!

    by heylookoverthere

    did...did he have a cleft jaw?

  • April 29, 2012, 11:17 p.m. CST

    she chops someones hand off

    by rapscallion86

    but she doesn't kill anyone

  • April 29, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Puppets Review Mad Men and Game of Thrones

    by and

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIneR4kMYNg&feature=plcp

  • April 29, 2012, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Dang, that was a good episode of GOT

    by mistergreen

  • April 30, 2012, 12:08 a.m. CST

    The writers miss important details

    by Cymbol

    I loved in the books, that Brienne has no weapon when the guards burst in and takes Renly's sword out of the scabbard to immediately protect herself. Why change that? It shows her resourcefulness and quick thinking in the heat of the battle. It's not like it would have cost money to keep that way. Surprised the writers dropped that cool detail.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Charlize Theron would have been the perfect Cersei

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    Lena Headey's ok, but most of the time she looks like she desperately needs to go to the toilet.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:30 a.m. CST

    Finally a good episode this season of GoT.

    by Ozman X

    Last weeks ep was such a stinker. Now am back to watching it Sunday nights instead of dreading it during the week and making myself watch the show.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:36 a.m. CST

    I Knew Lena Headey Was Doing Well As Cersei Tonight Because...

    by Crow3711

    As the scene came to a close I had a desperate, overwhelming urge to just punch her in her stupid bitch face (Cersei, not necessarily Miss Headey). I often times while reading the books wanted to reach into the pages and punch Cersei's face, so getting that feeling from the visual representation of her is satisfying. I just want to throttle that insufferable woman.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:14 a.m. CST

    SPOILERS--Brienne/Arya

    by lordgrimplemort

    Rapscallion, I thought exactly the same thing--I was pretty sure Brienne never killed anyone until the Bloody Mummers had her surrounded (in a cave I think). No reason to change that. And I was kind of pissed that Arya had the Tickler killed when she's supposed to kill him herself while screaming "is there gold in the village?". The Night's Watch stuff was good tonight.

  • April 30, 2012, 3:14 a.m. CST

    I need more Game of Thrones. This isn't enough.

    by happybunni

    I am thankful for what we have, but I am also greedy! I need more than a few scenes of everyone... I need long 15 minute scenes of everything happening. The dialogue is the best part of this, all the people would have to do is talk and scheme. Super cheap to produce! This episode flew by, and made me sad there wasn't more immediately after...

  • April 30, 2012, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Finally happy with GoT

    by FrodoFraggins

    This is the first satisfying episode of the show. I hate the political drama and scheming that we've seen in dozens of other shows. I like the bigger stories and they are finally moving towards that. The shadow killer was way too powerful though. It's really a deus ex machina really. Mad Men was strong and I actually wasn't annoyed with The Killing for once. I'd stick around and read the other posts but last seasons GoT spoilers in here have scared me away.

  • April 30, 2012, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Shadow looked stupid.

    by elsewhere

    Like something from The Mummy Returns. Aside from that my favorite episode of the season. Good stuff.

  • April 30, 2012, 6:35 a.m. CST

    @frodo, you mean deus ex vagina

    by bah

  • April 30, 2012, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Great episode of GoT, but....

    by BangoSkank

    I've got to agree on the shadow scene. It was shot in a clumsy way. Not sure how else to put it. Too many close-ups and the shot of the reflection... Just seemed off. Plus, in the book the Shadow cut through his helmet and armor like butter, which is important in later convincing some people it wasn't Catelyn or Brienne. And, I wanted to see Arya kill the Tickler. "IS THERE ANY GOLD IN THE VILLAGE!!!!!" Stabstabstabstabstab.

  • April 30, 2012, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Talissa annoyed me the previous episode

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    The sanctimonious self-righteous model who tended to the battlefield wounded and amputated that guy's foot. I hope the writers don't make too many liberal changes to the story -- it was the weakpoint of Jackson's LOTR trilogy, when he deviated too far, and Talissa sticks out of place as well.

  • April 30, 2012, 7:14 a.m. CST

    People defending the nudity and sex scenes as non-gratuitous

    by hst666

    by stating "they are in the books" aren't really defending them. I'm not saying they are gratuitous, but it does not mean their presence in the book is not also gratuitous. It's also possible that with the necessary condensing, the context that gave purpose to the scenes in the book may have been lost in translation.

  • April 30, 2012, 7:25 a.m. CST

    @ozman x, you're crazy man

    by Tim

    This season has been amazing, and honestly I think last nights episode was the weak link thus far. The first four were just so damn good.

  • They can't get their conservative minds around the fact that its presenting a time where people were infinitely more liberal about their desires without the level of concern we for such things the way we've nurtured ourselves to adhere to. They eat, fuck and fight because its their surface desires unhindered by the mass of laws, rules and fears we have in our culture. If you can't get your head around that fact then you should watch something else and save yourself the time boring God with the on your knees confessionals later.

  • April 30, 2012, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Arya can kill someone else later, but....

    by bah

    she can't throw their own words at them while she's doing it, which was the great part of that scene.

  • April 30, 2012, 8:40 a.m. CST

    No Jojen and Meera?

    by bah

    Seems Bran is having Jojen's dreams and Osha is doing the interpreting.

  • April 30, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    The Tickler

    by heylookoverthere

    The thing is on the show we only saw The Tickler doing his thing like one and a half times. In the books Arya witnesses it for days on end and it's clear that his questions are burned into her memory. You can't tell me that your average viewer would remember "that guy who almost tortured Gendry" two (?) seasons from now. He just didn't have the same footprint on the show as he did in the books.

  • April 30, 2012, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Well, not now, they won't

    by bah

  • April 30, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Jaime's character.... (Spoilers)

    by templesweeper

    Will be included at least in the last two episodes of this season. They will actually jump into his and Brienne's storyline in book 3 when they head south. They are getting the jump on that plot line early so Jaime has something to do this season. They already used his big scene with Cat from book 2 in season 1 (when he says, "There are no men like me...") Can't wait for the Jaime and Brienne stuff. Thost might have been some of my favorite scenes in the whole series.

  • April 30, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Pretty sure they'll add the reeds next season.

    by heylookoverthere

    If only because Osha has to go with Rickon to Skagos and you can't have a whole season where Bran has no one to talk to but Hodor. Also their father will presumably be important later on.

  • April 30, 2012, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Betty on Mad Men

    by Uncle Pooky

    Did she get kicked off this show?

  • April 30, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Rosie's father (the letter)

    by Truxton Spangler

    is David Rainer. We haven't met him...yet(?). I think the writing has improved this season, and combined with lowered expectations, S2 has actually been very watchable. Maybe they'll even give Lt. Duck some dimension, other than keeping him as a caricature to place obstacles to in Linden/Holder's path. Despite their denial, Jasper's dig at Holden shows that they may pay attention to what people say on the internet. I'd be mildly surprised if the whole murder/conspiracy thing pays off and is finally revealed to be a well-constructed masterpiece, but when they give the peripheral characters, as well as L/H, something to do, it helps to move things along. The Devil is on the board of the Amer. Cancer Society. Who knew? And a head bob on non-pay cable. Has that ever been done?

  • April 30, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Halfhand was great. Reminds me of Lee Van Cleef.

    by bah

  • April 30, 2012, 9:40 a.m. CST

    what works in print doesn't always work in a visual medium

    by themovieweasel

    I see people complaining that Brienne had her sword when she was attacked, but just apply a little bit of logic and you realize that she swore to protect her king at all times. What good is a body guard if he keeps on forgetting his weapons or laying them down when they are supposedly in a safe spot? Also, if they were to include every detail from the books, then everybody would complain that the show move too slow, and that they were hammering every point to death. I am only at the end of Clash of Kings and I can't count the number of times that Joffrey's true lineage has been explained. Something else I think people don't give the show enough credit for, is when they take elements that were only hinted at or barely explored and flesh them out in more detail. As far as the amount of sex in the show is concerned, go back and read the extremely graphic descriptions of sex in the books. From Daenerys and Drogo, to Tyrion and Shae. I for one am glad they have left out Tyrion's manhood from the show, for as much as Martin likes to go into detail of eveytime it gets hard. I love both the show and the books, and understand that they are different mediums.

  • April 30, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Tyrion and Bronn

    by angry kitty

    Loved all those scenes- Tyrion tormenting his cousin. Bronn talking about merchants claiming they were selling wildfire when they were peddling pig shit. The offense taken by the pyromancer "this is NOT pig shit!!" was priceless. I laughed a lot at this. Plus the frustration on Tyrion's face when Bronn explained the monkey reference was actually him. Again priceless. And of course on more serious note, the Arya statement. "anyone can be killed". BEYOND PRICELESS. Even though it was spoiled a bit for me by the trailer, it was still effective in combination with Charles Dance's menacing Tywinn I love this show

  • Not only did they make a logical, necessary and exciting change that brings a fascinating side character from the books into the fold as she needs to be, but they also made her fascinating. A real character. I'm continually impressed by how much I like the scenes featuring ms tyrell. She is extremely interested. "I don't want to be a queen, I want to be THE queen" was one terrific line,

  • April 30, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Love GOT the actress playing Brienne is a shoe in for

    by SID 8.0

    a Spartan if they ever get around to making a Halo movie. She's badass. I want to see what wildfire can really do.

  • A shame I only know him from the underrated-yet-still-flawed Last Action Hero.

  • April 30, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Margery (Book spoilers.)

    by heylookoverthere

    I like Dormer as Margery also, but it's gonna be so strange when she's engaged to Tommen. Her scenes with Cersi will be great I'm sure.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Was there no flame from the dragon?

    by bah

    Just heat? If so, I like that idea a lot.

  • It could have been so much simpler, subtler, and in a more effective way, and it would have cost so, so so much less. Man that Mummy-Shadow was such a mis-step, it looked so fucking stupid. And Renly's entire throat should have exploded, and his armor should have still been on. I don't understand those changes. Should have been a silhouette of a shadow on the tent wall, and then the shadow thrusts his sword on on the wall, and concurrently Renly's throat exploders through his gorget. Would have been so much more effective and made Catelyn and Brienne seem way less stupid when discussing it later. Having them literally see a floating ghost mummy was silly.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:20 a.m. CST

    What's up with Margery's dresses?

    by bah

    I keep imagining them filling with water if she stood out in the rain.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST

    I hope 2 characters from book 2 show up...

    by cekma

    The reed children are vital to Bran's story. I'd like to think they made the cut.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Reed children ***SPOILERS***

    by Bill Forbes

    I really wish the reed children are going to show up but unless they kept the casting under wraps it is very doubtful at this point. They will probly have Rickon and Osha go with Bran or maybe Maester Luewin. Didn't Rodrick in the books go to help Lady Hornwood from Ramsay which left Winterfell open for attack ? I really cannot believe they are going to leave out the bastard.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST

    @therawbeatsdotcom Maybe i need to rewatch season 2 from the start

    by Ozman X

    as I love the show but I don't want to half-ass watch it. Need to sit down, turn phone off and give my attention to what is shown on the TV. Mini-marathons are always fun.

  • and then went out to fight Theon's ironborn diversion. I remember Theon being very proud of his plan. I don't think they're leaving out Ramsy either, I hope they at least mention him this season. Cutting him out would affect Theon and Jon's long term stories too much. I mean hell you take him out of the equation and half of A Dance With Dragons goes with him pretty much. As for the Reeds I still think at least Meera will show up next season. It wouldn't be that hard to write her in and the fewer child actors they have to cast early on the better.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Agree about the shadow mummy thing

    by Jason

    Not at all as described in the book. A shadow on the wall would have been more effective. Not a dealbreaker though. And how crazy hot is Margaery? The writers really need to come up with more excuses for her to get naked.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Dagmer

    by heylookoverthere

    I just watched it again and yeah that guy is Dagmer, pretty much in name only. I didn't think it was him because he has a normal mouth and in the books Theon already knew and fondly remembered Dagmer from before he was sent with the Starks. I was hoping they'd find some deformed guy to play the part. "Dagmer Cleftjaw had the most gut-churning scar Theon had ever seen, the legacy of the longaxe that had near killed him as a boy. The blow had splintered his jaw, shattered his front teeth, and left him four lips where other men had but two."

  • April 30, 2012, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Does Herc always use a Tyrion quote in the article headline?

    by frank

    I haven’t been keeping track.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Osha (spoilers)

    by frank

    I wonder if Osha is going to accompany Bran on his journey instead of the Reeds? If so, maybe Luewin could live and take Rickon to wherever he ends up going? I would be OK with that, as I can take or leave the Reeds, and Osha is pretty cool so I wouldn’t mind seeing more of her.

  • and less like a shadow monster. Other than the effects looking a little cheesy (I liked the shadow effect in the previous episode, but not so much in this one), the Renly death scene was played out pretty well, and I am still really liking Brienne. I think this was one of the better episodes this season, maybe the second best after episode 3.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Looking forward to (spoilers)

    by frank

    Myrcella’s departure riot and and Tyrion kicking the shit out of Joffrey. Hopefully that will be in next week’s episode. That whole scene was so intense and brutal, I wonder if they will be able to do it justice. I definitely want to see more of The Hound.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Franks_television, I think last week it was a renly quote

    by heylookoverthere

    "is he a ham?" The previews for next week make it look like they added a bit of action/violence to the Qarth storyline. I love when they change things, it's more exciting when you don't know whats going to happen.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Last Night More of Less Confirmed no Reeds on my Mind

    by Crow3711

    Having Bran receive some of Jojens dreams and Osha basically serving as Meera, interpreting the dreams and guidon him with her knowledge of things beyond te wall, specifically te three eyed crow, more or less, to me, confirms Osha will be taking place of the Reeds on brands journey. They are just going to say since she is from north of the wall she has lots of knowledge about things no one else does. It will actually work fairly elegantly I think. Hod, bran, and OSHA are already a team of sorts around winterfell this season, so it makes sense to just keep them together.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    bastard (spoilers)

    by frank

    I am guessing they will still bring in Ramsay Bolton, since he is pretty much an essential character for later events. He is possibly the scariest character in the series, so it would be a shame if they left him out. I think he will show up some time during the next couple of episodes. Does anyone know if he has been cast?

  • April 30, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Martin has said Osha will be back in the next book (spoilers)

    by heylookoverthere

    Someone has to take Rickon to cannibalism island on the show. Maybe this season ends with them emerging from the crypts and seeing the state of winterfell/luwin suggesting they split up. Next season they could encounter Meera on the road or something. A) it gives bran a love interest/someone to talk to who can say more than Hodor. B) Howland Reed will be important eventually, and since they didn't include Ned's Tower of Joy dream, they should establish that he exists and was one of Ned's most trusted friends somehow.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah, awesome to see Roy Dotrice as the pyromancer.

    by frank

    Doing his raspy old man voice.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Franks I'm pretty sure he hasn't been cast.

    by heylookoverthere

    Another reason you need the Reeds is that Osha was fleeing from north of the wall and wants to go "as far south as south goes." She probably would not lead Bran back up there where she knows the white walkers are starting to come back.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    oh, yeah. the ham quote

    by frank

  • April 30, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST

    All Good Points

    by Crow3711

    And I wasn't considering OSHA needs to take Rickon. I guess I was thinking since Rickon is playing an even smaller role in the series than he did in the books they might send him off with someone else, but they kind of need it to be OSHA. Now I think they need at least Meera. Keep Jojen out of it, supplant him with Brans powers and give him a love interest in Meera. Perfect.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST

    heylookoverthere (spoilers)

    by frank

    Hmm. Well if they don’t have Ramsay maybe they could have Roose take over his part in the later events? That doesn’t really work, though. I don’t see how they can get around having Ramsay for the Winterfell storyline. And that is a good point about Osha, but I bet they will just overlook that and have her accompany Bran in place of the Reed kids. Although depending on what Martin has in store for the last books with her and Rickon, that could be problematic. It’s possible that you could be right about them introducing the Reeds next season. Maybe they are planning to do something similar with Ramsay Bolton: having this season end with Theon taking Winterfell, and then leave the aftermath for next season? Although I really think they need to have Winterfell burned as a climactic event for the end of this season, like Ned’s death was for season one.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Watch the Greyjoy video from HBO closely

    by bah

    to get an idea of how far they're going with the Winterfell story. Pay close attention to Theon watching horsemen enter the gates. Note the gate decorations and Theon's expression. Credit to another TBer whose handle I forget for pointing it out when those videos premiered.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    franks_television (massive book spoilers)

    by heylookoverthere

    I guess they could combine the Boltons, but that would probably be the biggest change they've made so far in adapting it. They're major characters. Ramsey should be flaying reek while his father is off attending the red wedding, but they could make it work. I think this season will end with the sack of Winterfell by either dreadfort men or just general northmen who they first take for allies. Maybe they'll make it clear that Roose has betrayed Rob, maybe not. It's not ideal but you could then introduce Ramsey (and maybe even the original reek?) next season back at the dreadfort torturing Theon.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Scene I Think Will End Season...

    by Crow3711

    I think the second to last episode this season will end with Theon sacking Winterfell and laying waste to all the innocents. It's not quite as shocking as Ned's death in last years penultimate episode, but it works much in the same fashion. Then, for the season finale, they move the other stories to their logical conclusion, and then the finale ends with Theon unwittingly letting Ramsay into Winterfell one dark stormy night. We won't know who he is, we won't even get a look at his face most likely (that's how finales always go, especially when they haven't cast the character yet), but he'll be welcomed into Winterfell as an ally, and then when Theon sees his face his men will slay all the Northmen and the finale will end with Theon on the ground, under Ramsay's boot, having no idea what the fuck is going on. It's a terrific finale. Violence and intrigue, and the destruction of a place we care followed quickly by it being taken over by someone who we don't even know, and it has mystery because for show-only viewers, they'll really have no idea what's going on. Cliffhanger. Who the fuck just took over Winterfell? Is he a good guy or a bad guy? People won't know, and it'll be especially ironic because many people will assume its someone we like (since we'll spend the last half of the season learning to hate Theon) coming to save Winterfell, when in reality it's someone much, much worse.

  • April 30, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    slay all the Ironborn* not Northmen (big mistake/typo)

    by Crow3711

  • April 30, 2012, 12:09 p.m. CST

    heylookoverthere and crow3711 (spoilers!!!)

    by frank

    I wonder if they will try to make the audience believe that Bran and Rickon have been killed at the end of the season, or if they will show us that Theon has used the Miller’s children as decoys. The taking of Winterfell, followed by the deaths of Bran and Rickon could certainly make for an emotionally hard-hitting finale, even if they don’t deal with Ramsay Bolton’s coup and Winterfell being burned in this season.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST

    It Could Probably Go Either Way

    by Crow3711

    I can see them faking the boys death in episode e9, which would actually mirror the shock of Ned's death quite well, and then revealing they are alive in episode 10 and ending with Ramsay's coming, like I said, or ending with Bran and Rickon dead and making everyone wait 9 months to find out what really happened. But somehow I just don't think they'll do that. making everyone believe two children were brutally murdered for a week is one thing, but an entire off-season seems more like cruelty than a cliffhanger to me. I just think Ramsay coming seems more like a "season ender" kind of thing, where lost-style, you don't know what's going on, because its a new element of the story. That's usually the best way to go, just like they did with the dragons last year. That was a great new element, and no one really knew what to expect all off-season. I knew some people who thought we'd come back and the dragons would be huge and Dany would bring the fight to Westeros. I laughed in their faces…but there you have it.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Ah the miller's kids *spoilers*

    by skycrapper

    were mentioned last night...(orpahns Bran gave him) poor bastards.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Awesome GoT concept art

    by heylookoverthere

    Spoilers in some of these pictures I guess, but not really. http://www.kimberleypope.com/Kimberley_Pope/GOT_II.html Is that the bridge of ships?

  • April 30, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST

    The second to last episode this season is Blackwater

    by Clabog592

    SPOILERS The entirety of that episode will focus ONLY on those in and around King's Landing. I can see episode 7 or 8 ending with the audience believing Bran and Rickon to be dead. Then theyll make an appearance in the final episode. I'm still betting that the very last scene of the season will be the prologue of book 3. They definitely set it up last night with the mentioning of what 3 horn blasts mean...

  • April 30, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST

    How I think the last two episodes will end SPOILERS

    by Joe Magilton

    Following the example of the first season, I think the ninth episode will end with a shocking act upon a character we care about. If you remember, in the 9th episode of the first season, Ned got shorter. I think that this season's 9th episode will end with what we think is the death of Tyrion on the Blackwater. I forget exactly how he got his wicked disfigurement, whether it was from the guy sent to kill him or from an explosion, but I can see the writers setting us up to think that Tyrion goes down just like Ned did. I think that in the last episode, we will be made to believe that Bran and Rickon were killed by Theon, with him saying it to someone and the miller's sons hanging at the entrance. We will then see the Bolton men take over Winterfell, believing that a 'good guy' got Theon. That's how the season will end. The first scenes of the 3rd season will be Ramsay torturing Theon, showing his true nature, which will then pan thru Winterfell, down into the crypts, to show Bran and Rickon alive and well.

  • April 30, 2012, 12:58 p.m. CST

    crow and clabog (spoilers)

    by frank

    I agree that it would be kind of mean to let the audience believe Bran and Rickon dead until next season. It might alienate viewers, as well. But I bet they will at least make it look that way for one or two episodes (sounds like two is more likely based on what clabog said). I think the idea of Ramsay coming in at the end and providing a cliffhanger works pretty well. In the same episode we could find out that Bran et al. are still alive and see them escaping. In addition to the Winterfell stuff, we could get cliffhangers in the other storylines as well, like Jon going off with the Wildlings. There is also Tyrion’s fate to consider. I wonder if they will leave that ambiguous at the end of the season. If the Blackwater is in episode nine, then I guess they will have to say something about Tyrion in episode ten. Probably his arc this season will end with him waking up scarred. It might be good to have the audience be unsure of whether or not he is going to survive his injuries until next season, though.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    joesomebody (spoilers)

    by frank

    I think you are right about Ramsay Bolton maybe being introduced as a supporter of Rob Stark retaking Winterfell from Theon, but I am thinking that they will reveal Bran and Rickon hiding in the crypts in the final episode of this season rather than the start of next season, for reasons stated above. Also, I think they will make Tyrion’s fate ambiguous after episode 9, but I don’t see how they can avoid mentioning him in episode 10, so it will have to come out that he is still alive (for the nonce) I think.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Howland Reed will have to appear eventually

    by Itchy

    Because he, quite obviously, is the only one who is in a position to reveal Jon Snow's true parentage .... as Ned made it clear numerous times in the books that only the crannogman, Howland Reed, was with him when the crap hit the fan in the last days of Mad King Aerys.

  • April 30, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST

    how come the borgias is never discussed in the sunday talkback?

    by JaredP

    fucking show getting really good, now. lots of intrigue and treachery in the house of pope alexander

  • April 30, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Breakout Kings isn't bad

    by GlyphGuy

    It's a decent show with some good humor in the dialogue. Intense at times, especially with the finale, but I'm not sure it will be back given those ratings, which sucks because of the cliffhanger.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    I Just Wanted to Say, As I'm Thinking About Last Night Re: Stannis

    by Crow3711

    That after a rocky first episode or two with Stannis, I really think Stephen Dillane has officially come into his own and is nailing my personal interpretation of Stannis straight out of the books. The scene between Davos and Stannis about hard truths was fucking amazing, definitely my favorite scene from last night. So many great quotes delivered so perfectly. The scene was ALMOST as good as the Renly v Stannis parle from last week, which is probably my favorite scene in the series dramatically. 1) "Most of those lords should feel lucky I don't hand them for treason. Hard truths cut both ways, Ser Davos" 2) "I grieve, but for the boy he was not the man he grew to be." 3) "I told you there'd be no need to speak to me on this matter. I've never known you to need to hear a thing twice."

  • April 30, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Hang* not hand. Ugh

    by Crow3711

  • April 30, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    I got a weird feeling from Theon last night.

    by gotilk

    I don't think he's doing well with having his ego stomped on so much. He has something to prove now. I have a strong feeling that people should be careful how they fuck with him at this point. ungh. This will not end well. And can someone clear something up for me? When the guy who let Daenerys into the city was proposing, he was describing and standing in front of a locked door. Now, what I did not get is that he had hired locksmiths and was unable to open the door? Yet he has a key, and somehow marrying will unlock it? Magically? How does that work exactly? Anyone? What am I missing here?

  • April 30, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST

    I too was confused by the "Valyrian Stone" door

    by heylookoverthere

    first I thought he needed dragon-fire to melt it and get in or something. I don't think they ever mention Valyrian Stone in the books. Anyway I think he was just saying that he was rich and had a lot of bling behind that door that no one could steal.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST

    It's His Impossible to Steal From Vault

    by Crow3711

    Inside of which he has enough riches to buy Dany every ship, soldier, and supply she needs to go right on over to Westeros on wreck shit. But she has to marry him. It's just a really secure vault. I don't know why they felt the need to call it Valyrian Stone or whatever and confuse everyone. The guy is rich and he offers Dany everything she needs to win the throne if she agrees to a loveless marriage with him. In the books its implied he likes little boys or something as well I believe, and he really isn't interested in Dany sexually at all. So his story about his one true love interested me because, if I'm not mistaken, that wasn't in the books. Then again, my track record on what is and isn't in the books hasn't been terrific overall I admit.

  • White hat hackers, basically.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Yeah I didn't get any magical impressions from the vault

    by skycrapper

    He was basically just saying he would give her half if she marries him. But you all know what he's really after, right? Doesn't take a genius to figure out that Qarth isn't a great place for her to be.

  • if she would marry him. Right? I’m not sure why he had people try to open the vault. Just for his amusement?

  • April 30, 2012, 2:43 p.m. CST

    I’m not sure how Valyrian Stone would work.

    by frank

    There is a technique for making Valyrian steel: it is folded thousands of times. But you don’t make stone, so it doesn’t really make sense.

  • April 30, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Im amazed at how fucking clever you are

    by Wyrdy the Gerbil

    frack me guys ive read all the books but your constant spoilage's are frelling annoying the shit out of me anyway,so well done for being so bloody literate you muppets

  • April 30, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Don't overthink it, comrades

    by TheGreatHomsar

    The vault was simply Xaro showing off his immense wealth ("Look, I'm rich enough to build this impenetrable vault, and no one but me has the key to open it. I can buy you the army/navy you need if you marry me.") Xaro, by vouching for Dany and the Dothraki, is clearly trying to get in her good graces from the very beginning. You see the slight smile on his face when Dany tells him that he is less ambitious than she is. No magical forces or anything involved, just good ole' fashioned braggodocio.

  • April 30, 2012, 3:38 p.m. CST

    It was just weird that instead of ducksauce showing Dany his vast wealth

    by heylookoverthere

    He showed her the door to the room his vast wealth was in. The focus on the door makes me think maybe someone will try to break into it later on. It seems from the previews that they've added a bit of action next week, but that could be unrelated.

  • April 30, 2012, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Gotilk - re: Theon

    by angry kitty

    Totally with you on that. He definitely is being set up for an explosion of some sort. Tired of being belittled, pushed around etc. I haven't read the books, so I don't know the full scope of his future actions. But, I can see they are setting him up for something BIG. I really expected him to cut down that sailor in that got in his face during the docks scene.

  • April 30, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST

    (Spoiler...even if you've read all the books) re:Theon

    by Flyswatta

    I love the way they are building up Theon's fall from grace. I'd even say it is being handled better than the books...at least what I remember. Full disclosure, I just started ADWD....so if the following makes no sense in that context, just ignore the post. Anyone else heard about Theon's return later in the books? I was reading an interview of G R.R. Martin, and in it they noted that a chapter or two were going to be released from the book following ADWD. Anyway, one of them was a Theon POV. At first I felt spoiled...then, of course I realized that if it isn't specifically conveyed that a character is dead, then you'll probably see them later. I think the last we saw Theon was in the form of "flayed" skin from his hand. And if they portray that on HBO......

  • April 30, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Flyswatta, keep reading RE: Theon.

    by heylookoverthere

  • April 30, 2012, 6:37 p.m. CST

    I Woder if The actor Playing Theon Has Any Idea what He's In For

    by Crow3711

    He's in for quite a performance if he's up to it.

  • April 30, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Great episode.

    by Jaka

    Really, really great! I don't really have much more to say about it, other than I wish there was a full 26 episode season of this show every year.

  • April 30, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST

    I was thinking about the episode and realized I'm pissed

    by Itchy

    because the season is half over. Fuck. What the hell am I going to do with myself ?

  • April 30, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Meera & Jojen in S3

    by LordBond

    I've been thinking that as far as I remember, Bran doesn't have an awful lot to do in book 3, and seeing as how the producers are so good at embellishing scenes that were only hinted at in the books, wouldn't it be great if Bran met the two children whilst travelling through the marshes where they live. I always loved the descriptions of the Reeds' homeplace, the spear hunting, the frog eating, the stilt houses. I would love to see them do that. But I do think we need the Reeds to be introduced. We don't even know how vital they may become in books 6 & 7. Oh and Riverrun has to be in season 3 too. Don't see how they can avoid it regarding Edmure and the Red Wedding.

  • April 30, 2012, 9:26 p.m. CST

    @angry / @gotlik - RE: Theon Greyjoy (Los Spoileros Pequenos)

    by obijuanmartinez

    It's a FALL our Theon takes. Basically, he delivers one for the home team (albeit short-lived), then life (and a gent named Ramsay Snow) basically make him their b***h...

  • April 30, 2012, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Ramsay Makes Theon His Bitch? No.

    by Crow3711

    He makes him his Reek. Reek. It rhymes with meek.

  • April 30, 2012, 9:44 p.m. CST

    3-man assassins + shadow assassins

    by deanmail

    Why didn't Arya ask 3-man assassin to kill big-bad Tywin Lannister instead of little-bad Tickler.lol.seems like a waste of 3-wishes to me. Funny how most inc. myself wanted Renly's death it to be just like the book. A shadow slashing at the throat of Renly's shadow then his real neck opening in a shower of blood. Along with the shadow birthing and Viserys having molten gold melt his face, that shadow assassination description from the book was one of the most vivid in my imagination but I totally see why they had to make it more 3d for the screen. I'M LOVING IT...ALL OF IT!

  • April 30, 2012, 9:52 p.m. CST

    GOT needs only 4 seasons. Unless...

    by kele nitoto

    IMO Book 6 rocks so hard that the meandering and pontificating of the last 2 books becomes worth translating. All story lines could be wrapped up with a little creative finagling. Dan and David have been really good at that so far. P.S. Still really wanting a seperate GOT talkback.

  • April 30, 2012, 10:16 p.m. CST

    @heylook Nuff said...I'll shut up and read

    by Flyswatta

  • April 30, 2012, 10:20 p.m. CST

    am I a sick fuck.....? shredded bloody ass cheeks

    by deanmail

    I wanted to see the reaction of Tyrion when he saw the clawed antler shredded bloody ass cheeks of the prostitute he sent to Joffrey. That could've been on the epic level of Godfather 2 dead-hooker with Senator scene...or Se7en "Lust" murder scene.

  • Bran does have very little book-plot to divide over the next few seasons. The same could be said of Theon. In that same vein, I can only assume they're gonna write a siege of riverrun into early season 3 (keeping in mind book 3 will be two seasons long, they do have space to fill.) and robs breaking of it. Then they will introduce Edmure and the Blackfish.

  • May 1, 2012, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Deanmail, RE: Joff and the whores.

    by heylookoverthere

    Watch the scene again and pay attention , the second to last shot is of Ros swinging down the antler rod onto (that's ONTO not INTO) the Non-Ros Whore's ass. Personally I think it's hard to confuse a swinging motion with a thrusting motion, but I suppose "sometimes you see what you want to see."

  • May 1, 2012, 12:54 a.m. CST

    @heylookoverthere

    by deanmail

    Joffrey said harder and something tells me his imagination is a lot darker than what even HBO would show. LOL...for all we know...he put antlers with a WHOLE STAG attached up the poor girls buttocks!!...see...see what you made me start thinking sir. stop it at once.

  • May 1, 2012, 1:31 a.m. CST

    cheeks..I said "-CHEEKS" man not "-hole"

    by deanmail

    See...heylookoverthere ...see what you made me start thinking sir. stop it immediately.

  • May 1, 2012, 1:37 a.m. CST

    hahaha ok so maybe that one's on me.

    by heylookoverthere

    Sorry I just remember people last week suggesting that he had the whore sodomized with the wooden antler thing and assumed that's what you were getting at. My bad.

  • If you have not read up to ADWD PLEASE read no further. You have been warned. Theon the character has been through quite a bit. I for one, loathed the character, starting with his betrayal and seizure of Winterfell. Unfortunately, the character's ambition always exceeds his capacity and we all know he doesn't hold Winterfell for long. For those who've read ADWD, I'm sure a lot of you can see there's attempts being made to redeem the character by essentially putting him through hell. Ramsay Snow (now Bolton) has mutilated his body, destroyed the character's sense of identity, making him the "new" Reek (rhymes with Meek). By the end of the novel, Theon is trying to do the right thing in aiding the impostor Arya played by Jeyne Poole escape with her life. Trouble is I sitll have a hard time feeling any compassion for the character. His betrayal of the Starks was near unforgivable. I don't think there's really anything he can do to redeem himself, I loathe him that much. Which brings us to Alfie Allen's portrayal of Theon in the show. The show's version of Theon is one of many (I'd count both Cercei Lannister and Sansa Stark in this respect) that the writers have tried to make more sympathetic, whereas in the books they come off as completely morally unacceptable. Theon is unacceptable to the reader because he's an outright craven when it comes to standing up for himself. In the show, he at a minimum actually tries confronting his father, Balon, with the truth that it was Balon who had given away "his last boy". Balon as we all saw was having none of it. Don't even get me started with the way Asha (now Yara) was treating him.

  • May 1, 2012, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Girls hating

    by DeusExMachina

    I'm going to go on a rant here. I get the hate for Girls. White girls living in NYC and they rarely come across any people of color. I got it. But why this show of all shows are people bitching about its utter whiteness? In my travels as a black guy in NYC, guess what, there are white folks who do not have friends of various races. Just because you live in NYC doesn't mean that your group of friends resemble the United Nations. And you know what? That is what the show is about. A bunch of white girls who don't know shit about life, but think they know shit about it, and living in their hipster Brooklyn bubble. Now do I hate the show? You bet I do. That's only because I hung around and slept with these kind of girls back in my early 20's. And like the girls in this show, they were fucking annoying, and now at 33 years old about to be 34, it's even more annoying. To not like it because it doesn't properly represent people of color is silly, especially since there are plenty of shows out there just as whitewashed that people of all colors love. And besides, do you see how annoying these girls are? Do you really want to be represented with them?

  • May 1, 2012, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Girls has good music on it I'll give it that.

    by skycrapper

    But yeah chicks going on about their STD's and money problems is not my cup of tea.

  • It seems like he is pretty much the Gollum of ASoIaF. He has done some unforgivable things, but it has been out of weakness rather than an evil nature (as in the cases of Ramsay, Joffrey, Sir Gregor, or any of the other myriad psychopaths in the series). For that reason, I still feel sorry for him and I hope that he will find some redemption by the end of the story.

  • May 1, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Girls sounds incredibly annoying.

    by frank

    I intend to never watch it.

  • We might as well have had some type of badass reaction from Tyrion.

  • May 2, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Finchy!

    by alan_poon

    Dagmer was played by none other than Chris Finch of Wernham Hogg. And the preacher was Ed Tudor Pole.

  • May 3, 2012, 8:53 a.m. CST

    They've started the casting process for season three

    by heylookoverthere

    Rumor is yesterday they held auditions for Tormund, Daario, and Shireen.

  • May 3, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    I auditioned for the role of Strong Belwas,

    by frank

    but was turned down just because I don’t remotely resemble the character description.

  • May 3, 2012, 6:52 p.m. CST

    @franks_tv

    by The Goat

    Ya, you're bald and fat as hell, just too bad you're female.

  • May 4, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Well, he is a eunuch.

    by frank

    Anyway...