CANCELLED OR RENEWED?? Upfronts Arrive In Three Weeks!! How Fares Your Network Fave??
Generally speaking, the shows furthest down at each network are most vulnerable to cancellation.
Green indicates shows already renewed for the 2012-2013 season; red indicates shows already cancelled. Anything in black or blue (blue indicating non-school night shows, which operate with different ratings considerations) indicate series that are technically vulnerable to cancellation. All figures indicate viewers between 18 and 49 years of age.Repeats are in grey. Latest airings are not in parentheses.
2.5 (3.0) (4.4) (4.7) (---) (---) (5.1) (3.2) (5.3) (5.1) (5.6) (5.5) Big Bang Theory
3.8 (3.6) (1.7) (2.2) (3.8) (2.1) (2.1) (3.6) (4.2) (3.9) (4.3) (3.0) Two and a Half Men
3.4 (3.5) (1.6) (2.1) (3.5) (2.1) (2.1) (3.8) (4.0) (3.8) (4.3) (2.7) 2 Broke Girls
3.1 (3.5) (---) (1.9) (3.5) (1.9) (2.0) (3.6) (3.8) (3.4) (4.0) (2.5) How/Your Mother
3.1 (3.2) (---) (1.9) (3.1) (1.9) (1.8) (2.9) (3.4) (3.4) (3.4) (2.3) Mike & Molly
1.7 (3.0) (3.0) (1.7) (3.2) (2.8) (1.5) (3.1) (3.1) (3.1) (3.3) (2.1) Criminal Minds
3.0 (3.1) (1.9) (3.5) (3.4) (2.1) (2.4) (3.5) (3.6) (3.9) (4.2) (2.0) NCIS
1.5 (1.8) (3.0) (3.3) (---) (---) (3.4) (1.8) (3.1) (2.8) (3.3) (3.3) Person of Interest
2.8 (2.7) (2.8) (2.9) (2.8) (3.0) (3.2) (2.9) (2.8) (3.1) (---) (---) Survivor
2.6 (2.5) (---) (2.6) (2.7) (2.9) (2.8) (2.2) (2.8) (---) (---) (---) The Amazing Race
1.6 (2.6) (---) (1.6) (2.5) (1.6) (1.5) (2.5) (2.9) (2.7) (2.7) (1.7) Hawaii Five-0
1.5 (2.4) (2.9) (1.8) (2.6) (2.8) (1.8) (2.6) (2.9) (2.6) (2.5) (1.5) CSI
--- (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (2.6) (2.9) (3.2) (3.3) (3.3) Rob
1.5 (---) (2.4) (2.7) (---) (---) (2.8) (1.7) (2.6) (2.7) (3.0) (2.9) The Mentalist
2.2 (2.7) (2.7) (2.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Rules of Engagement
2.0 (2.4) (1.5) (3.0) (2.8) (1.9) (1.9) (3.1) (2.7) (3.2) (3.1) (1.8) NCIS LA
1.8 (1.3) (---) (1.8) (1.9) (1.7) (1.9) (---) (2.1) (---) (---) (2.2) The Good Wife
1.5 (1.8) (1.2) (2.1) (2.1) (1.3) (1.4) (1.9) (2.0) (2.3) (2.2) (1.4) Unforgettable
--- (1.7) (1.6) (---) (---) (1.6) (1.7) (1.7) (1.6) (1.8) (1.7) (1.3) Blue Bloods
--- (1.7) (---) (2.1) (1.8) (2.1) (2.1) (1.1) (2.2) (---) (0.6) (2.3) CSI Miami
--- (1.7) (1.6) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (1.7) CSI NY
1.7 (1.8) (1.8) (---) (---) (2.0) (2.0) (1.9) (2.4) (---) (0.5) (3.0) Undercover Boss
--- (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (1.5) (1.3) (1.5) (1.3) (1.3) (1.0) A Gifted Man
1.5 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) NYC 22
1.4 (2.2) (1.4) (2.3) (2.2) (1.7) (1.6) (1.3) (1.8) (2.8) (0.5) (1.5) 60 Minutes
1.2 (1.1) (---) (1.4) (1.6) (1.1) (1.1) (1.0) (1.1) (1.2) (1.3) (1.3) 48 Hours
Why did “The Good Wife” get an early renewal instead of the generally higher-rated “Unforgettable”? “Good Wife” is the only CBS show that’s been getting nominated for a best drama Emmy (not that it’ll ever win against cable powerhouses like “Mad Men,” “Breaking Bad” and “Game of Thrones”).
Why is “Two and a Half Men” not yet renwed? It will be. The show recently hit a series low, which is complicating the negotiation of Ashton Kutcher’s deal.
Why are “Rob” and “Rules of Engagement” not yet renewed? Same reason “Shit My Dad Says” was cancelled. “Big Bang” repeats did better in the Thursday 8:30 slot this season than did most new episodes of “Rob,” “Rules” or “Shit.”
3.7 (4.0) (4.1) (4.5) (4.6) (5.2) (6.2) (5.4) (6.0) (6.0) (6.7)(16.3) The Voice (Mo)
3.3 (3.5) (3.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) The Voice (Tu)
2.3 (2.1) (2.0) (2.0) (2.3) (2.1) (2.0) (2.0) (2.3) (2.1) (2.3) (2.1) Biggest Loser
2.2 (2.1) (1.8) (1.8) (1.8) (2.0) (2.3) (1.8) (2.6) (---) (---) (---) Celebrity Apprentice
2.2 (2.2) (1.0) (1.2) (---) (2.4) (2.6) (2.5) (2.6) (2.3) (2.5) (2.8) The Office
--- (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (1.9) (1.7) (1.6) (1.7) (0.7) Parenthood
1.9 (2.0) (2.1) (2.1) (2.2) (2.4) (2.7) (2.3) (2.3) (2.8) (3.8) (---) Smash
1.8 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (1.8) (1.7) (1.7) (1.7) (---) (1.7) Parks and Recreation
1.6 (1.3) (1.2) (0.7) (0.8) (1.5) (1.6) (1.5) (---) (1.6) (1.4) (---) Grimm
1.6 (1.7) (---) (---) (---) (0.7) (1.0) (1.6) (1.6) (1.7) (2.0) (1.4) Law & Order SVU
1.6 (1.6) (1.8) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Off Their Rockers
--- (---) (---) (1.6) (1.6) (1.4) (1.6) (1.5) (1.5) (1.7) (1.5) (1.7) Whitney
1.5 (1.8) (1.5) (1.5) (1.8) (1.6) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Fashion Star
1.5 (1.4) (1.2) (1.5) (1.6) (2.0) (1.4) (1.4) (1.5) (1.5) (1.6) (1.3) 30 Rock
--- (1.5) (1.2) (1.3) (1.5) (1.7) (1.7) (1.6) (1.7) (1.5) (1.7) (1.8) Up All Night
1.3 (1.4) (1.3) (1.7) (1.7) (2.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Community
1.3 (1.0) (1.0) (1.0) (1.1) (0.9) (1.0) (1.1) (---) (1.6) (---) (---) Dateline (Su)
--- (---) (---) (1.2) (1.4) (1.1) (1.5) (1.3) (1.3) (1.4) (1.5) (1.7) Are You/Chelsea?
1.0 (1.0) (1.2) (0.9) (1.0) (1.3) (1.3) (1.3) (1.1) (1.5) (1.1) (1.2) Dateline (Fr)
0.9 (1.0) (---) (0.8) (1.0) (1.1) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Harry’s Law
0.9 (0.8) (0.8) (1.0) (0.7) (1.4) (1.4) (1.0) (---) (1.3) (---) (---) Who Do/You Are?
0.8 (0.9) (0.9) (1.0) (1.2) (1.6) (1.6) (2.0) (---) (---) (---) (---) Awake
--- (---) (0.8) (0.9) (0.9) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Bent
0.8 (0.9) (1.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Best Friends Forever
0.6 (0.5) (0.8) (0.8) (0.7) (0.6) (1.0) (0.7) (0.6) (0.7) (1.1) (0.8) Rock Center
0.4 (---) (0.3) (0.4) (---) (0.6) (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) (---) (---) (0.8) The Firm
0.3 (0.3) (0.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Escape Routes
Why did “Smash” get an early renewal while “The Office” and “Parenthood” did not? Two weeks ago I don’t think NBC execs expected that a musical hourlong following a blockbuster like “The Voice” could fall to a 1.9.
Is “Community” doomed? Incredibly, laughtrack-happy “Whitney,” with its Wednesday 1.6s, now looks healthier than “30 Rock” and “Community” at the moment. However. The DVR-proof Subway shop in Greendale’s cafeteria suggests that the “Community’ showrunners are more than willing to play product-placement ball, which I’m guessing gives it a huge edge.
What the fuck is “Escape Routes” and why has it not been cancelled? “Escape Routes” is a Saturday reality show built around the Ford Escape sports utility vehicle and produced independently by the Ford Motor Company. Because Ford makes the series available to NBC free and allows NBC to sell a lot of its commercial time to other (non-automaker) advertisers, “Escape Routes” can’t help but make money for NBC.
4.1 (4.2) (1.8) (1.9) (2.0) (4.5) (2.4) (4.8) (4.8) (4.7) (5.5) (2.7) Modern Family
3.2 (2.9) (2.8) (1.2) (1.2) (3.0) (1.4) (1.1) (3.1) (3.2) (4.0) (3.6) Grey’s Anatomy
--- (---) (---) (---) (---) (2.9) (2.5) (2.6) (2.5) (2.5) (2.6) (2.6) The Bachelor
2.9 (3.0) (2.9) (3.2) (3.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Dancing/Stars (Mo)
1.1 (1.0) (2.8) (2.9) (2.9) (2.9) (3.4) (---) (3.1) (3.0) (---) (3.5) Once Upon A Time
--- (---) (2.6) (2.6) (2.6) (2.6) (2.5) (---) (2.2) (1.8) (---) (---) Desperate Housewives
2.6 (2.9) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Don’t Trust The Bitch
2.5 (2.3) (2.8) (3.1) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Dancing/Stars (Tu)
2.3 (1.6) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (2.4) (---) (2.4) (2.5) (0.9) Revenge
2.1 (---) (2.1) (2.3) (2.3) (---) (1.4) (2.1) (2.1) (2.0) (2.0) (1.4) Castle
2.1 (2.0) (2.0) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Scandal
1.3 (2.1) (1.0) (1.1) (1.2) (2.1) (1.5) (2.6) (2.2) (2.4) (2.6) (1.2) The Middle
2.0 (2.1) (1.2) (1.2) (1.3) (2.1) (1.5) (2.3) (2.3) (2.4) (2.6) (1.2) Suburgatory
--- (1.9) (2.0) (2.0) (0.9) (1.4) (0.9) (1.4) (1.5) (1.2) (---) (1.0) Body of Proof
--- (---) (1.7) (1.9) (1.8) (2.4) (2.0) (2.7) (2.4) (2.4) (2.9) (1.9) Happy Endings
1.7 (---) (---) (0.8) (0.8) (2.1) (---) (---) (2.1) (2.6) (2.2) (2.3) Private Practice
1.6 (1.0) (1.2) (1.2) (1.3) (1.4) (2.2) (---) (2.0) (2.0) (0.7) (1.9) AFH Videos
1.6 (1.8) (---) (---) (1.9) (1.3) (1.3) (2.2) (2.2) (2.2) (2.4) (1.6) Last Man Standing
1.6 (1.3) (1.3) (1.5) (1.7) (1.4) (1.6) (1.8) (1.5) (1.8) (1.5) (1.5) Shark Tank
1.6 (1.5) (2.1) (1.6) (1.4) (1.3) (1.5) (1.2) (2.0) (1.4) (1.7) (1.5) 20/20
1.5 (1.5) (1.9) (2.1) (2.0) (2.3) (2.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) GCB
1.4 (1.5) (---) (---) (1.6) (1.4) (1.5) (1.6) (1.7) (1.8) (---) (---) Cougar Town
1.4 (1.6) (1.5) (1.6) (1.5) (1.2) (1.5) (1.0) (---) (1.5) (1.4) (1.7) Primetime
--- (---) (---) (---) (1.4) (1.3) (1.5) (1.5) (1.7) (1.7) (2.4) (---) The River
1.3 (1.4) (1.5) (1.5) (1.6) (2.1) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Missing
--- (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (1.2) (0.7) (---) (---) Pan Am
Why is “Desperate Housewives” not returning? Its audience is much smaller than during prior seasons and the cast’s mammoth salaries (Eva Longoria alone is said to make something like $9 million per season) no longer make solid economic sense.
4.8 (5.0) (4.9) (5.3) (5.1) (5.4) (5.7) (5.0) (5.1) (6.1) (6.1) (6.0) American Idol (We)
3.9 (4.3) (3.9) (4.4) (4.2) (4.6) (4.9) (5.4) (4.5) (5.1) (5.8) (5.5) American Idol (Th)
2.7 (2.8) (2.3) (2.6) (2.7) (2.8) (3.0) (---) (3.0) (3.1) (3.5) (3.5) New Girl
2.4 (2.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (3.0) (2.8) (3.3) (3.7) Glee
2.2 (2.2) (2.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Bones
2.2 (1.8) (2.5) (2.1) (2.8) (2.8) (2.8) (1.6) (2.8) (2.5) (1.1) (3.1) Family Guy
2.3 (1.5) (1.7) (1.9) (2.4) (2.3) (2.5) (1.6) (2.6) (2.0) (0.8) (2.4) The Simpsons
2.1 (0.9) (1.2) (1.5) (1.5) (1.6) (1.5) (1.0) (1.2) (1.2) (0.8) (1.3) Cleveland Show
2.1 (2.3) (2.3) (2.7) (3.3) (2.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (3.9) Touch
2.0 (1.9) (2.3) (---) (2.1) (1.1) (---) (---) (2.4) (2.4) (2.5) (2.9) House
--- (1.5) (2.0) (2.0) (2.2) (2.2) (2.1) (1.5) (2.2) (1.8) (1.0) (2.4) American Dad
1.9 (1.4) (1.7) (2.0) (2.1) (1.9) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Bob’s Burgers
1.8 (1.8) (1.6) (1.5) (1.6) (1.8) (2.1) (---) (2.1) (2.1) (2.1) (2.0) Raising Hope
--- (---) (---) (1.6) (1.6) (1.6) (1.9) (---) (1.8) (1.9) (2.3) (2.8) Alcatraz
--- (---) (1.3) (1.4) (1.3) (1.5) (1.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Breaking In
--- (1.1) (1.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (1.4) (---) (---) (1.4) (---) Cops
0.9 (1.1) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) The Finder
0.9 (1.0) (1.2) (0.9) (---) (---) (---) (1.2) (1.1) (1.1) (1.2) (1.2) Fringe
--- (---) (---) (0.6) (0.4) (0.6) (0.8) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Q’Viva
What about autumn-only Fox shows like “The X Factor” and “Terra Nova”? “X-Factor” was renewed last year. “Terra Nova” was cancelled last month.
Can “Fringe” still be renewed after hitting two 0.9s? I am discouraged by the lack of any early announcement by Fox last week. Preliminary estimate for last night’s future-set Observers episode was 1.0, but that could get knocked down to a 0.9 when the finals come out on Monday. Producers have reportedly shot both a season and a series finale.
Did Fox really cancel “Cops”?? After 24 years and nearly 1,000 episodes, “Cops” is ending its regular series run on Fox, but is expected back as occasional specials. Going forward, Fox is going to devote most of its Saturday primetime schedules to sports.
Is Tim Kring’s “Touch” getting better ratings than “24”? Decidedly not. The 18-49 scores for first nine episodes of “24’s” 2010 final season (which did not have the benefit of following “American Idol”):
2.8 (2.5) (2.8) (2.8) (3.3) (3.1) (3.4) (3.5) (3.9)
If Fox can afford to pay Kiefer Sutherland’s salary, why doesn’t it just bring back the much better “24”? I don’t know. Sutherland’s enthusiasm about the oft-delayed “24” motion picture suggests he does not fear reprising the role.
1.0 (0.4) (0.4) (1.2) (1.3) (1.2) (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) (1.4) (1.3) (1.2) Vampire Diaries
--- (---) (0.8) (0.7) (0.8) (0.8) (0.7) (0.7) (0.8) (0.8) (0.7) (0.7) One Tree Hill
0.3 (0.3) (0.3) (0.7) (0.7) (0.6) (0.7) (---) (---) (---) (0.7) (0.7) 90210
0.4 (0.3) (0.7) (0.6) (0.7) (0.4) (0.3) (0.4) (0.8) (0.8) (0.8) (0.4) Supernatural
0.6 (0.5) (---) (0.7) (0.6) (0.5) (0.6) (0.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) AN Top Model
0.6 (0.5) (0.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.6) (0.7) Gossip Girl
0.6 (0.5) (0.3) (---) (0.2) (0.1) (0.2) (0.5) (0.6) (0.6) (0.6) (0.6) Hart of Dixie
0.5 (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (0.6) Ringer
0.5 (0.3) (0.4) (0.6) (0.7) (0.7) (---) (---) (---) (0.7) (0.8) (0.7) Secret Circle
0.3 (0.3) (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) (0.3) (0.2) (0.3) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.3) Nikita
“One Tree Hill” did better than every other CW show but “Vampire Diaries.” Why was it cancelled? Maybe because it’s not selling enough DVDs for parent company Warner Bros.? I’ve no longer any idea why the CW does anything it does. It could order three more seasons of “Ringer,” “Secret Circle” and “Nikita” tomorrow and I would not bat an eyelash.
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April 21, 2012, 8:15 p.m. CST
So much better than the trades TV pundits.
April 21, 2012, 8:17 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
...I wish 24 would come back, too. By the way, my wife makes me watch The Vampire Diaries. It's like Buffy, if Buffy was written by sweetly developmentally challenged twelve year olds. The sad thing is, I'm broken to it now. I actually don't mind watching it.
April 21, 2012, 8:19 p.m. CST
Umm, the article doesn't say that it was cancelled.
April 21, 2012, 8:19 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
...it is terrible. But it's better than the Korean soaps she makes me watch on Netflix, and every straight to video zombie movie made in every country on earth.
April 21, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
...it is not better than every straight to video zombie movie made in every country on earth. It is better than having to watch every straight to video zombie movie made in every country on earth. Often one will be quite good. Evil, from Greece, for example. That South African one wasn't bad. But mostly they are. Mostly.
April 21, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST
Or I'll go postal!
April 21, 2012, 8:25 p.m. CST
Why aren't Supernatural and Nikita in Blue? Amazing that the #3 rated show on the network is on Friday.
April 21, 2012, 8:25 p.m. CST
An analysis on this show's status would be nice...surely its gonna be cancelled with those ratings :( Watched the first 3 eps, not sure if I should bother catching up now...
April 21, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST
What is the likely hood that any of them will be cancelled? I think 30 Rock is coming back for a final season, Parks & Rec still has at least 2 seasons left, The Office has 1 and Community hopefully has at least 2 or 3. That's my best guess just based on how the shows seem to be running their courses.
April 21, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST
Herc's FAQ for that show took the words right out of my mouth. Shame about Fringe. I wonder if the recent uptick in quality would've helped it earlier in the season.
April 21, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST
I wouldn't actually be surprised if more companies started following this formula with the state of TV advertising due to the afore mentioned DVRs and online media like Hulu, Netflix and Youtube. It would make more sense and could possibly generate shows with higher production value. A large corporation would be willing to spend a ton on making a show if they didn't have to pay to advertise during it and could know that they won't have to worry about competitors running ads at the same time. Either that or Escape Routes is the reason the world is going to end on Dec. 21st 2012.
April 21, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST
Great show, but it just hit a 0.8. The canceled "Prime Suspect" never fell below a 0.9 in the same timeslot last autumn.
April 21, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST
April 21, 2012, 8:40 p.m. CST
has turned out to be surprisingly good. Focus on characters makes it interesting. Sadly, I don't see it getting renewed. I'd love to know what's going on though (with the story).
April 21, 2012, 8:44 p.m. CST
by dead youngling
April 21, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST
April 21, 2012, 9 p.m. CST
by Harry Palmerlime
What was unfortunate for Community was, sure, it came back from the hiatus with better ratings, but the episode was somewhat weak so everyone who tried it to see what all the fuss was about went "meh." It better be renewed, though. 5 seasons and a movie!
April 21, 2012, 9:03 p.m. CST
I mean, it's been on forever. I just expected it to keep going, I guess. But come to think of it, I haven't actually watched it on Saturday night for a couple years, at least. I watch the syndicated re-runs on other channels.
April 21, 2012, 9:19 p.m. CST
by Scottie Richardson
April 21, 2012, 9:20 p.m. CST
Hopefully they are given enough time to wrap up the story...
April 21, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST
Thank you NBC for believing in COMMUNITY and PARKS & RECREATION, and ordering more than just their initial seasons, giving them a chance to flourish and thrive...
by Tigger Tales
now let us have more, pretty pleaaaase
April 21, 2012, 9:36 p.m. CST
They'll finger anything with a pulse!!
April 21, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST
Let's try that without the site-breakingly-advanced functions of quotation marks. Bob's Burgers is indeed hilarious. His warped kids, specifically. *They'll finger anything with a pulse!!* *I think their slogan is, They have their finger on the pulse.*
April 21, 2012, 9:42 p.m. CST
April 21, 2012, 9:53 p.m. CST
by You Have MY Voice
I didn't expect to like AGM. But I dig the actors. It's nothing groundbreaking, but it's entertaining and interesting. Shame it will likely not return. Plus, the character played by Patrick Wilson was named "Michael Holt," which was also the secret ID of DC Comics' Mr. Terrific. Surprisingly, there were enough similarities between the two characters to make me think it wasn't a huge coincidence.
April 21, 2012, 10:16 p.m. CST
If Fox can afford to pay Kiefer Sutherland’s salary, why doesn’t it just bring back the much better “24”?
by la te ral us
ummm you're joking right?? 24 ended tired and stale and way past its prime. Touch however, is undoubtedly the best new show of the year. i'd say the strongest opening of a series since lost. i was totally not expecting it to be this good. it's pretty much the only thing that gets me excited (besides community) and makes me look forward to next week's ep. i wouldn't mind a 24 movie, even though the transition from tv to film for that concept is laughably problematic. but DO NOT bring jack bauer back to tv. give Touch a chance to reach it's full potential, if Fringe had that strong of a first season, it might not be floundering when it finally got REALLY good.
April 21, 2012, 10:21 p.m. CST
Network TV is deader than dead. The only reliable revenue stream they have left is morning news shows and no one under 60 watches those. It's called streaming you graying old Gen X'ers. Look it up.
April 21, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST
I have already read confirmation elsewhere that both of these shows have been renewed, and yet they are not in green. Why because they aired re-runs the week you did your absurd chart??? That just makes everything on this page completely un-trustworthy and useless. I used to look to AICN as a valued source of info, but due to this and severral other blunders, no more.
April 21, 2012, 10:25 p.m. CST
NBC destroyed itself with that Jay Leno prime time debacle--it hasn't recovered and is still hemorrhaging viewers nearly 3 years later. It's sad, because Community would easily get double the viewers just by being on another network. How can a show that everyone I know watches religiously do so poorly week-to-week? Because none of its viewers have Nielsen boxes...
April 21, 2012, 10:42 p.m. CST
5000 views for an official promo on youtube. http://youtu.be/qLvfaG1oKQA
April 21, 2012, 10:42 p.m. CST
BFF and Bent are the two best new comedies on network TV this year. Sorry New Girl. As a consolation prize, you will at least be renewed for a season 2.
April 21, 2012, 10:46 p.m. CST
guess MINORITY REPORT was wrong. Bring back FRINGE for a final 13 episode 5th season on 3/1/13 and conclude it on 5/24/13.
April 21, 2012, 11:07 p.m. CST
It doesn't rely on flashbacks/total randomness to put together an episode. I LOVE Family Guy and The Simpsons but Bob's Burgers, to me, is closer to older episodes of the Simpson's than The Simpsons. It's more coherent (Family Guy relies on too many a cut away) and the family has better characters (I can't stand Lisa Simpson anymore and Bart is weaker too). Be a shame if they cancelled it, unless it went to a network that appreciated it. I'm hoping Community stays for at least one more year as well as Parks. They are far better than anything else NBC has (besides 30 Rock, which I love but I think will probably end when it needs to if it does this year or next)
April 21, 2012, 11:09 p.m. CST
Just one more season. Give it a proper run. It's so much better and fresh than almost anything else.
April 21, 2012, 11:15 p.m. CST
I'm not sure what the endgame could be after Leslie gets/doesn't get the job BUT I at least want one more year. Either we get her as city council or we get her as a park department woman on the rampage and maybe Rudd's character gets fired/impeached. Either way, again, Community, 30 Rock, and Parks are the only thing NBC has. Obviously their ratings aren't the best but, and not even as a fan, I would rather watch something that is trying to go somewhere than fall to competing with the other dreck that is on TV. Whitney is horrible. Big Bang has jokes almost as bad as two and a half men, they just insert nerd stuff but you can see it a mile away, and please stop making reality TV BS. Parks, 30 Rock and Community are well written shows and deserve to stay until they can honestly be replaced.
April 21, 2012, 11:46 p.m. CST
"Touch", "Missing", "The River", "Awake", "Two and a Half Men", "Harry's Law", "Once Upon a Time", "Rob", "Alcatraz", "CSIs", "Celebrity Apprentice"...some of the shows that should be cancelled. "Fringe" should be moved to a different time slot, but we know how Fox is with their programming. These networks need to look at the shows on FX and AMC, as well as HBO, Starz and Showtime and see why they're so popular...
April 21, 2012, 11:53 p.m. CST
It's been pretty good this season. I would however trim it by a half hour and focus more on mainstream interests and products. Also, letting someone else host would be nice twist.
April 21, 2012, 11:55 p.m. CST
Both went to shit. Though a 24 reboot with someone else (Wesley Snipes, for instance) would be alright.
April 21, 2012, 11:56 p.m. CST
That show would have/should have been cancelled after the second season,if not for FOX fearing another FIREFLY-level fan backlash/boycott. If it gets another season I will be amazed. Not that its a BAD show,just that its never been a ratings powerhouse and theres absolutely no other reason for FOX to have hung onto it this long.
April 22, 2012, midnight CST
April 22, 2012, 12:53 a.m. CST
by Andrew Coleman
Everyone I work with and know mainly watch shows on Fox and NBC... 30 Rock, Community, Awake, Parks, Office, etc... Yet somehow CBS is this power house? TBBT is total shit. I had a friend who didn't even know 21/2 was still on the air. So what the fuck? Why aren't more people pissed about this? It's pretty obvious the system is flawed beyond belief. I just like NBC Thursdays and Fringe... They can do whatever they fucking want with the rest. They really should bring back 24. The lack of action on television stands out now. Sure did that show have low points? Yup but even those were better than what 70% of the stuff on now.
April 22, 2012, 1:27 a.m. CST
The father of modern reality television is being cancelled? I am floored. I haven't watched it in nearly a decade, but it was always there. Like the Simpsons. Just knowing that those shows are always on was comforting. Of course, now we have shows about tow truck operators and people who bake cakes. I guess we don't need COPS anymore. The world just seems a little more...empty to me now. Oh well, at least Andy Rooney is always doing his thing on 60 minutes every week. That's constant. Right?
April 22, 2012, 1:52 a.m. CST
both great network shows, both should have gotten a full series run, one canceled, one going to be. only difference is chicago code had halfway decent ratings. and both shows i will never forgive the networks for canceling i dont care how bad awakes ratings are.
April 22, 2012, 2:07 a.m. CST
Whoever is still watching that show is an asshole.
April 22, 2012, 2:12 a.m. CST
That show, even when it sucked (and it sometimes did), was way better than most of the stuff on network TV.
April 22, 2012, 2:17 a.m. CST
4 seasons of a show that's ratings justified cancellation every time is more then enough of a good will gesture to the fan base. .9s puts it in supernatural territory, CW territory, Fox should not renew it at that level.
April 22, 2012, 2:55 a.m. CST
The Friday death slot is designed to kill good shows. I love love love Fringe, but wonder if they need another season. Friday's episode was amazing.
April 22, 2012, 6:01 a.m. CST
Merging the two universes was the BIGGEST mistake, removing Peter and messing with the male-female sexual tension dynamic is ALWAYS a big mistake (see X-files and Moonlighting). Fridays future-set episode was good but Observers just don't behave DIRECTLY like that....at all (better if they were taking control secretly from behind the scenes). Losing believability and repetition is the kiss of death for any good sci-fi tv show, smooth gradual change works best. Instead of merging universes, the parallel one should have been totally destroyed with only a few refugees hiding out over here seeking revenge OR a way to bring their own universe back by destroying ours.
April 22, 2012, 6:41 a.m. CST
And might as well throw deadwood in there too. In the perfect fantasy world of my mind, these shows all went 6 seasons and a movie (and if they actually did get six seasons…they went ten or something)
April 22, 2012, 7:10 a.m. CST
They barely touched on the "two lives" thing and it was just another cop procedural. I doubt they even have an answer to it and just assume it'll be canceled before they have to come up with one.
April 22, 2012, 7:26 a.m. CST
I love "The Finder." great fun and good entertainment. Michael Clarke Duncan is superb. Nothing like the books. The TV series is far better. Not that the books suck, they do not. The series is much better. Too bad it won't make it, but the show is great.
April 22, 2012, 7:29 a.m. CST
I agree with you. With the implication of a another stupid conspiracy, I think the show is heading to a silly place. This and "The Killing's" dumb conspiracy are reasons why American TV sometimes really sucks.
April 22, 2012, 7:50 a.m. CST
Shuold be called "2" or "1.30"
April 22, 2012, 7:51 a.m. CST
April 22, 2012, 8:03 a.m. CST
Nikita is a very good show - with nobody watching. CW does such a poor job advertising their shows. The fact is they have not been anything since the debunct WB and UPN merged -- The WB was driving with buffy and angel... had better ratings than today but also have a lot more competition... Nikita is one of the best shows on free TV that no one watches... Fringe is a strange show and I have enjoyed it a bit better lately. Started so promissing -- but let's be honest the entire concept is ridiculous.. If you had 5-7 billion copies from one universe to the other - than how come so many people have lost their copy on one side? just statistically it would be impossible ... there would be too many deviations... that aside - it is fairly clever the way the show has been working.. and we shall see if observers are really going to try to take over --- series ender could be a continuation of observer episode -- with them reverting the universes back to pre-peter territory and defeating them... I am still amazed it gets the ratings it does on Friday with a crazy plot like it has... My seven year old loves it - but I don't think follows the main arc....
April 22, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST
2 seasons max -- The show is Heroes with one kid who can't talk... Not exactly a great idea... Keither can't save it either --- 3 episodes in I was out ... did not love it...
April 22, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST
April 22, 2012, 8:26 a.m. CST
And thats not a good thing. This has easily been the worst season of the show by far and its like the show is treading water trying to fill out its episode order. It FEELS like the writers know this thing is a sinking ship and are moving from one contrived situation to the next. The great episodes of this year are few and very far between. This is in sharp contrast to Season 3, which was easily one of the best seasons of the show. So honestly, I don't blame people for bailing on the show and it has nothing to do with the Friday Death Slot. When you put out subpar material, expect people not to watch.
April 22, 2012, 8:29 a.m. CST
by Truxton Spangler
24? Yeah, right. Everyone has moved on, and those that haven't can't even agree on enough things to get a movie made. And as much as I think Fox misses it on Monday nights, it was stale creatively. Why isn't XXX show coming back? $$$
April 22, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST
by Bass Ackwards
It looks like bobs burgers is actually doing alright in the ratings, good news!
April 22, 2012, 8:36 a.m. CST
It seems like in a world with youtube, which can count how many views per video around the world, & receive instant 'focus group' reactions (ie: like/dislike/comment)
by Rebel Scumb
That actual TV should be able to do this to. Personally I would rather everything switch to either an HBO format, or just a pay-per view style set up, where pilots for shows are free, and after that you can either pay per episode, or get a season subscription to the shows you like. No ads, no Neilson ratings, just consumers voting with their dollars towards shows. If a show is having trouble finding an audience they can always run a few free episodes to entice people, etc.
April 22, 2012, 8:44 a.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
I mean if you think about those giant bins full of cheap as hell crappy movies you see at Walmart, and everywhere else. Someone must buy those movies, in fact a lot of people must because they keep making those movies. I actually had a friend who use to work for a company that bought up cheap indie films, and then turned them over to direct-to-dvd distributors and made a huge profit doing this. Anyways, my point is, if THOSE movies can make a profit. And in a market where popular shows like LOST, Game of Thrones, etc etc can make a huge killing on blu-ray/dvd, as well as shows like Firefly or Futurama where the ratings on TV were not stellar, but the dvds themselves rake in a tidy profit, why haven't network's/studios started producing stuff for homevideo release only? Think about it this way, you have a property like Firefly. You know there is a fanbase, very loyal who WILL pay for new content. You also don't want to risk the show on network where it has failed already, as well as a theatrical movie which also failed to perform. But there is money to be made. Just look at the sales figures for the TV series dvd, calculate roughly how much money you would make from releasing a '2nd season' set, let's say it works out to a conservative $30 million. Then just go to Joss and say, we're willing to give you a budget of $12.5 million, make as many episodes as you feel you can with that money and we'll release them. Hell with firefly you wouldn't even have to waste money on marketing, just send a press release announcement to the right geek websites, post the pre-order on amazon and you're set. If the set rakes in the estimated $30 million, give Joss another $12.5 million, and repeat. and I'm just using firefly as an example, but there are several shows that fit this criteria.
April 22, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST
The show isn't funny and it anybody that thinks it is are complete morons.
April 22, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST
A show I enjoy very much (currently better than its mother show "Bones")-- the whole cast is terrific, especially Geoff Stults and MCD. Fox has plenty of crap it could lose in order to keep The Finder. On the bright side, Person of Interest and Grimm are safe.
April 22, 2012, 10:13 a.m. CST
by Toe Jam
You couldn't be more wrong about "Bob's Burgers." I started watching with low expectations, and it's undoubtedly the animated Fox series with the most laughs and heart. It's also surprisingly risque. (See the "Finger anything with a pulse" joke someone else quoted above.) Also, you never help your case for deeming people "complete morons" when you don't use proper punctuation or have proper subject-verb agreement ("anybody ... are"). Want to try that again?
April 22, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST
Rednecks beating on the girlfriend with a black eye who screams while crying at the police, 'DON'T TAKE AWAY MAH BABAY!' while the jackass is being hauled off to jail and usually resisting arrest... Crack-heads, drunks, drug dealers and hookers being screwed with. Not in a bad way and sometimes given fair warning before arrest or release... Lots of years of fun things to look back on, but man I love that show... R.I.P. Cops and much respect to the many men and women wearing a badge!
April 22, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST
April 22, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST
by Dr. Hfuhruhurr
I was so looking forward to seeing a new show from the Home Movies guys but the kids are obnoxious jerks. It's annoying that they have adult men voicing the wife and two oldest kids. Try hiring some female voice talent instead of giving the jobs to your buddies. Who's producing this, Adam Sandler?!
April 22, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST
by Dr. Hfuhruhurr
The actor that plays Gene is named Eugene. He also played Eugene on Flight of the Concords and Eugene on Home Movies. Must be because when they call him by his character's name, he doesn't answer.
April 22, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST
re: "Everyone I work with and know mainly watch shows on Fox and NBC... 30 Rock, Community, Awake, Parks, Office, etc... ... It's pretty obvious the system is flawed beyond belief." I don't really see how the few dozen people you know better represents the viewing habits of 300 million people than what is currently used. Then again, I suspect your sample group's tastes more closely mirrors my own. So, while I disagree with the validity of your findings, I think I would be perfectly content if networks made decisions based on your group's preferences.
April 22, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST
not sure if you were being sarcastic but Andy Rooney left 60 Minutes almost a year ago and then died shortly after some surgical procedure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Rooney
April 22, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST
If they put it back on Thursdays where it was paired with Supernatural, it would do a lot better.
April 22, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST
and no longer reflects the modern reality of tv viewing. Live viewing is dead, ding dong dead. People meters are flawed as well, and should not be relied on. The only way to get a real sampling is by opening up access to viewer habits directly from the set top boxes themselves, but this raises two issues: 1) Privacy concerns, which I don't have to go into as everyone knows what they are, and 2) Demo tracking would be problematic. Set top boxes don't keep track of that information, which advertisers demand. Even if you could program into the box the ages and genders of the home's occupants, there would be no real way with current tech to track who was actually watching what and when.
April 22, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST
Your comment should have read: Nikita is a crap show, on a crap channel. Put it in any time slot you want but as long it's on the CW it will only be watched by prepubescent children and ignorant adults. Any channel that continues to give Tyra Banks an hour for several weeks twice a year needs to burn in hell.
April 22, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
Actually there is just one basic thing that would more or less resolve both the privacy and the demographics Just make tracking info voluntary, and not an obligation. People could sign in like they do for email, youtube, xbox, etc and just select whether they want their viewing habits shared for statisical purposes. They could still supplment demographic info by doing surveys and other traditional tracking, but to measure overall viewership it would still be a much better indication than with the way it's done now. Just my 2 cents.
April 22, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST
than I do watching "live" tv. Sure, with the DVR I FF through the commercials but I still see something of them, flashes of images. If something catches my eye I rewind to watch. With "live" tv viewing, once the ads come on I change channels (usually a baseball or hockey game, sometimes basketball, or the 10,000th airing of "Armageddon"). After a few minutes I flip back and might catch the tail end of some ad, but that's it. I wonder, does Nielsen track how many of its viewers change the channel during commercials?
April 22, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST
Then again, most of what I watch "live" is sports, so often I am changing from one to the other. However, I wanted to make clear that I've never sat down to watch a broadcast of "Armageddon" on TV, even if I have caught the end of it several times after what I was watching has ended. Hey, I'm just as flawed as the next guy.
April 22, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST
.... These days shows with two or three seasons get syndication ... And I would be surprised to see fringe on anything but a cable network, as it's pretty gory... although that could be an easy part to cut for length.... Anyway, I want a new, better season for their last ... Doing something different and brand new was a good idea, but it's should have been radical and drastic like the future episodes, not a humdrum reorganization of character relationships, and an excuse to bring back all the old characters (although I have to admit I am kind of okay with the latter!).... The show should go out one better, higher note.
April 22, 2012, 4:29 p.m. CST
April 22, 2012, 4:58 p.m. CST
Not according to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_episodes Star Trek never made it to 100 episodes. Neither did The Sopranos or Sex & The City. Newsradio got close with 97 episodes. The Big Bang Theory went into syndication with 87 episodes (but, yeah, as an ongoing show, come next fall, their syndicated rotation of episodes will top 100).
April 22, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST
I watched alcatraz @ first but the writing was so bad i couldnt handle it. same with terra nova. Community is also great but everybody who isnt chevy chase, abed, troy, jeff or cheng are prety bad actors in my opininon. I dont mean to be sexist at all cuz there r no girls in my list. I just dont think the women in that show are great actors.
April 22, 2012, 5:36 p.m. CST
April 22, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST
Doesn't need to be cancelled at all. Everything else you mentioned should be.
April 22, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST
No idea why, really. It just is. But it's clearly not a REQUIREMENT. Especially not with so many cable channels that need programming these days. <p> Also, the original Star Trek was an anomaly. I don't believe there's ever been another show with so few episodes that went into syndication, became more popular than when it was originally broadcast and eventually spawned what is possibly (probably?) the biggest franchise in US television history. 725 episodes so far. Nothing else like it apart from daytime soaps.
April 22, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST
by Master Bruce
interesting idea...straight-to-dvd-tv...why hasn't anyone done this yet?
April 22, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST
April 22, 2012, 9:09 p.m. CST
Haven't really happened because no one has done it successfully yet. Firefly was probably the best chance to date, but they went movie instead (and got less than they hoped). Fringe may prove to be the next opportunity. A show successful enough to drive DVD sales is *normally* successful enough to stay on the air. What would a $12.5 million season of Firefly look like? Would it be good enough? Could you sign all the principle actors and enough writers with that? Sure, Jewel might be up for it, but Nathan is on Castle. Why risk that to go do this experiment? And so on and so forth. Heck, with the Avengers, why would Joss stop and do it? It is going to take the right mix at the right time for this to work. Once it does, I think we will see a serious change in the landscape. It might, ironically, be a show like Escape Routes, that finally does it, because it never has to deal with the advertising end of it.
April 22, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST
April 22, 2012, 9:51 p.m. CST
100 eps meant 4 straight months of episodes, at 5 eps a week. You would go through the stack 3 times a year. Some sitcoms did get away with less eps, like the Munsters (76), Addams Family(64-ish), and Gilligan's Island(99), since they could be paired up with news or some other sitcom to fill one hour on the afternoon schedule. But that was rare. In 1967, Desi Arnaz cloned/recycled I Love Lucy as a show called The Mothers-In-Laws. It lasted 2 years, but it never got the run in 1970's syndication like the 3 previous shows I just mentioned. WKRP was the last sitcom to be really penalized for falling just shy of 100 eps, but that show was a monster in syndication in the 1980's. The one hour dramas really needed that 100 number. Star Trek was the exception because it had a large under 40 male demo, and most did not see the 3rd season because of it's bad time slot that year on NBC. Having to wait only 2 months to see those Year 3 eps again was not an issue. Today, if any show, sitcom or one hour drama, goes 3 years, it will find a way to at least a 3rd tier cable channel for a run of a year or two.-----later----m
April 22, 2012, 9:56 p.m. CST
'I don't believe there's ever been another show with so few episodes that went into syndication,& became more popular than when it was originally broadcast..." Off the top of my head- "The Honeymooners" (39 episodes) "The Jetsons" (24 episodes) "The Monkees" (58 episodes)
April 22, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
Thanks Masterbruce, at the very least it seems like something someone would have tried unsuccessfully by now. There has been (to my knowledge) zero attempts at this. v3rlon: I was just using Firefly as an example, as with the budget mentioned. I agree a firefly reunion will never happen now, but for example if they had tried that out 3-4 years ago even it might have worked. Wouldn't be a full 26 episode season, might end up just being 3-4 episodes, or one big miniseries/tv movie, or could be 6-7 bottle shows With firefly I wouldn't mind, the appeal of that show was always the main cast interacting. They could set a whole episode just with them sitting around the dinner table and probably get a good episode out of it. either way, it was just for example sake, there are plenty of cancelled shows, or likewise shows that could start out on the direct to dvd format. My point was not that this would be nessesarily the best way of doing things, I'm more just puzzled that NOBODY has at least tried to make some cash with at least attempting it.
April 22, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST
by Jake Pantlin
I be leave that part of the reason that show was made was so that they could add the new episodes to the existing original episodes, to push it past the 100 mark. I remember as a kid seeing them play the new show with the original 90 (thus becoming episodes 91 to 136).
April 22, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST
To follow up, 100 eps was a sure thing to get all US cities to buy your show for reruns, everything from NYC and LA to Ada Oklahoma, Lubbock Tx, Boise Idaho and Fargo ND. Before 1980, most cities only had the 3 network affiliates and a PBS station. Stations signed off at 1am at the latest, so that meant only 4-5 hours a day per station were available for syndication packages. 12-15 hours for the whole city. Station owners only wanted the BIG hits-Lucy, Dick Van Dyke, Beaver, Andy Griffith, Twilight Zone, or shows with maybe less eps but that were very kid or young adult friendly: like ST:TOS, Munsters, Jetsons, Gilligan, Monkees, or Addams Family. WKRP didn't get the 95-99% of all the cities in the USA, they originally got much less. But where the show did air it did very well, and it helped them pick up more cities as the 1980's wore on. Then coupled with New WKRP gave them a successful 2 year run, until the music licensing rights ran out on the original 90 and they had to butcher the original package to remove all the original music, song lyric quotes, and musical montages. That ran the audience off and killed the show. If it wasn't for that, WKRP would be all over TV Land, VH1 Classic, and Hallmark Channel right now.-----later-----m
April 22, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST
The Simpsons haven't been cutting edge in forever, Bob's Burgers is absolute crap on a pile of turds and as far as the rest of the line up, let's just say I wished Seth MacFarlane wouldn't have overslept that one fateful day.
April 22, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST
But ran all six in syndication for tears on Comedy Central.
April 23, 2012, 12:17 a.m. CST
and unfotunately its the aforementioed desecrated version. Won't be watching. Impressive posts, BTW. Good job.
April 23, 2012, 1:37 a.m. CST
It's a four season show. Jeff said this much. He has a table at a fancy restaurant booked for 2013, after he graduates from community college. So logically THAT'S the series finale... does Jeff leave for his old world, or does he choose to stay and realise it's more fun being a borderline poor man-child than it is being a rich lawyer? Let's let ONE show end on schedule, okay.
April 23, 2012, 2:54 a.m. CST
in apartment 23 should be renewed this instant!!
April 23, 2012, 3:52 a.m. CST
April 23, 2012, 5:28 a.m. CST
April 23, 2012, 5:29 a.m. CST
sad to see those two shows just tanked. Pan Am at least had a longer run than Playboy club. But I do miss Kings, Firefly, BSG. i'm fried with 24, no offense i'm glad that's done. -Rex
April 23, 2012, 5:29 a.m. CST
That show is so dumb.
April 23, 2012, 6:59 a.m. CST
Fringe never lost focus in season 4 but it lost game. It would be sad to see it canceled just as its got its mojo back. The run up to the finale has been awesome and included soem great reveals about the Observers and retcons of Season One that have finally made its series long story arc of Fringe events, Cortexifan, and Shape Shifters start to make sense in a larger context.
April 23, 2012, 7:45 a.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
I agree that 4 seasons is fine for Community Although if somehow magically it got a 5th season, it would be funny to see all the characters go out into the world, fail to get jobs, then have to come back to Greendale as teachers
April 23, 2012, 7:59 a.m. CST
Not trying to hard plot and character-wise, but doing what it sets out to do perfectly. Kind of like a less funny and less cheesy Love Boat. Plus you gotta love the period costumes and atmosphere, in spite of how sanitized (ie no smoking) it is. I recommend Magic City if you liked Pan Am.
April 23, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST
And I get what you're saying about their continued life after their original short runs. But none of them were responsible for an additional 700 hours of television. Nor, in the long run, did they have the same cultural impact. Trek is just it's own weird thing in pretty much every way.
April 23, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST
I mentioned it regularly when the show first started airing. But it looked expensive, so the ratings made it clear pretty fast that it wasn't destined for a long life.
April 23, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST
April 23, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST
Guess they shouldn't have run that story on Christians leaving Israel. <P> But seriously, why hasn't 60 minutes been immediately renewed? <P> Lastly: Who gives a fuck about 24? It ran out of gas mid-season 2 and just hung around because certain fans couldn't let go and the stories got bad enough for the reality-tv fans to jump on board.
April 23, 2012, 9:13 a.m. CST
And that syndication dollar, especially with Dramas, is essentially gone. It's been replaced by the DVD sales dollar (more immediate return to studios to offset costs, instead of sinking investment costs with future returns 4-5 years when those execs are gone). In the drama realm, your local affiliates aren't running those shows 5 days a week. It is at most 2 on Saturday and Sunday, and a cable network (really only the Turner nets and maybe SyFy if cheap enough) would be the candidates to run it, in which case the 87 or so would be enough, to get them 3 runs a year (almost exactly, with 17 weeks x 2 = 85 + 2 left over to cover the 52nd week and the extra day if it falls on a weekday) for Fringe. It matters more with sitcoms who book double airings at 7 or 11 PM the first year to realize quick turnaround and can burn through 100 episodes pretty quick at that rate.
April 23, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST
It was a stated experiment to see if the funding could materialize to keep the show alive in that format. Sci-Fi show with devoted fandom (whether you are or not), putting together original core Cast Members (Boxleitener reprised his role, and many of the secondary cast did also), low price point (Purchase price brand new was less than $20) written and produced by Stracyzinski, so you can't say the people doing it didn't get the show. It just bombed (no I don't think it was great either). Pretty much killed the idea. I think this was pointed to back when they tried to start this bandwagon for Firefly pre-Castle days and it pointed to this as an example where the studios just don't believe in the concept.
April 23, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST
April 23, 2012, 10 a.m. CST
by Nasty In The Pasty
It's like 24 without all of the bullshit plot contrivances used to pad every plot out to 24 episodes. Great action, characters and writing. More people should be watching.
April 23, 2012, 10:06 a.m. CST
Everyone was making the "Mad Men" comparisons, but I found it had much more in common with "American Dreams". It was a nostalgic look at the 60s rather than a realistic one. There was an air to it that was just a bit too colorful, too crisp and clean to be real. While ABC might have wanted it to be "the next Mad Men" I never got from watching that that's what the show was trying to be.
April 23, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST
by Chris Sorrentino
...absolutely ridicules, contrived, poorly written, poorly acted and even poorly shot, but god damn I can't lie, it was a total guilty pleasure of mine (in a Mystery Science Theater 3000 kind of way). But they ended it smartly, they wrapped it all up at the end of the first season. Guess they knew a second season wouldn't be happening...
April 23, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST
by Chris Sorrentino
Is great and is one of those shows that more people will appreciate when you can sit and watch every episode back-to-back (assuming that they actually get an ending...).
April 23, 2012, 11:10 a.m. CST
by F This
Don't blame the shitty ratings on the show, FOX. You new gawd-damn well when you put in the Friday death slot that ratings wouldn't be great. Now give this amazing show a proper 13-episode send-off!!!!!!
April 23, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST
by professor murder
I remember last year when I saw the BONES episode called "the finder". The regular Bones cast did not have a lot of screen time, and the episode was great with the new people they were following. I thought immediately 'they must be using Bones to test a new show', and surely enough, this group (minus the english accent chick) developed into their own series(and BONES cast has appeared on their show now too). I like the Finder a lot, but it seems like it's going to be a one season thing. Shame. Walter and Leo are a fun combo to watch.
April 23, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST
by professor murder
How did they wrap up the River? It ended with them being stuck in the jungle as it physically altered ahead of them, closing the river's exit, leaving them without the hope of escaping they previously had. To me, that is throwing the series up in the air, not wrapping it up.(unless we're all supposed to just think that's it, they must all die)
April 23, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST
April 23, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST
by Chris Sorrentino
Yeah, like kind of a Twilight Zone ending. They accomplished their mission of finding Emmet, but now none of them can ever leave, which is pretty cool in my opinion. It's not the most definitive of endings, but if it doesn't get a second season then the Twilight Zone ending works for me...
April 23, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST
Does fox have replacements for fridays if they cancell both the finder and fringe?
April 23, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST
by professor murder
Nope, FOX will just move two more shows people like to Fridays and then cancel them the following season, and so on...
April 23, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST
The Partridge Family was like 98. Lost in SPace had less than 100 episodes, Land of the Giants, time tunnell, Branded, Rat Patrol, Iron Horse; shows I grew up watching that limped along in syndication without 100 plus eps.
April 23, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST
April 23, 2012, 4 p.m. CST
It and Big Bang Theory are really the only TV my wife and I watch.
April 23, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST
April 23, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST
i heard that was probably being renewed and one of the old producers jeremy carver was gonna take over the show which is great cause he wrote some of my favorite episodes ( changing channels and mystery spot)
April 23, 2012, 5:08 p.m. CST
April 23, 2012, 5:36 p.m. CST
I guess things are looking positive for FRINGE! :)
April 23, 2012, 8:05 p.m. CST
Guess I'll just have to wait for the DVD to continue staring at Christina Ricci's perfectly-formed ass in a stewardess uniform...
April 23, 2012, 8:50 p.m. CST
And one hopes, no more "Good Christian Bitches". It's insulting in so many ways. Try creating a show called "Good Jewish Bitches" or "Good Muslim Bitches," and see if it flies. Yeah, I know it was cut to "GCB," but whatever. I'm a Christian, and pretty liberal, but that show bugs me.
April 23, 2012, 11:10 p.m. CST
single-handedly beating everything on the CW. Why do people still watch that show?
April 24, 2012, 2:06 a.m. CST
They came out probably 15 years ago. They had all sorts of stuff that didn't make the show. I remember these two cops having to catch a cow and bring it back to the owner. The camera man was laughing and cracking jokes at the cops expense the whole time. Funny as hell.
April 24, 2012, 7:05 a.m. CST
is now 'dead meat'....what a shame! This was a really great series.
cbs i watch big bang theory and person of interest, dumped 2 broke grisl, hawaii five 0, the mentalist and a gifted man, time daved! nbc i've downloaded awake, i wont watch it until i hear wthere it has a 2nd season or not, think it will be n excellent series ( word of mouth seems psitive) i just didnt want to be invested in a show again only for nbc to cancel it ( fool me once with journeyman! Ya reap what you sow nbc!) and of course community. which has been up and down of late. if it ets reneewed great, if it doesnt.. well at least they had a fair;ly decent run. basically there could ne no nbc shows i watch. abc. I watch no shows on thier network. the network that brought us lost! nothing. fox i watch house which is finishing, new girl which i actually really like fringe which has always been solid, the best sci-fi (only?) show on tv at the moment, and the last ep,, well that last ep was brilliant. i hope it gets renewed. alcataaz i dumped. so potentially only newgirl fox if fringe doest get renewed. cw: supernatural i'm hoping they dont run it nto the ground. either raise the quality or make this season the last. basically it seems i will have a lot of free time to have a life.
April 24, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST
Wednesday, thursday and Sunday are the only days I watch anything more than two hours worth. The rest are movies... CANT WAIT FOR THE RETURN OF DALLAS!
April 24, 2012, 9:24 a.m. CST
and CHEERS was dead last in the ratings. Bill Cosby helped push Cheers ahead. WKRP was moved on the schedule 7 times in four seasons. TAXI too, was moved around too many times. ABC killed it, NBC had it for one year, when the network was in the dumpster, one year before Bill Cosby came to the rescue; ironically enough it aired it's last season in front of the first season of CHEERS.
April 24, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST
It was on way too long and become a joke. Especially after his entire family were traitors, spies-whatever.
April 24, 2012, 9:37 a.m. CST
April 24, 2012, 10:57 a.m. CST
Is Punky Brewster, Major Dad, Family Matters, Tim Allen's new series funny too? I fear your answer.
April 24, 2012, 11:10 a.m. CST
April 24, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST
by Joe Plumber
the last couple seasons of 24 were unwatchable.
April 24, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST
What next....I LOVE AIDS.
April 24, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST
BINGO! And the networks wonder why viewers are dwindling. Why would any product set out to insult it's audience? I'm no prude, but it is offensive.
April 24, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST
As a geek, it's alien to me. It's written just as bad as Two and Half Men, only instead of cheap sex jokes, you get cheap, geek/pop culture references. Both are stilted and unfunny. *shrugs.
April 24, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST
I don't get you, zodnotgod. It is funny and one of the best in town!
April 24, 2012, 4:28 p.m. CST
One of those mysterious comebacks, only to get shit canned again? in my opinion the show was better in its first iteration, perhaps the changes made between seasons alienated the small, but apparent fan base. Maybe the next go.
April 24, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST
It's "Geek blackface;" they are caricatures of what boring regular people think the way geeks act and behave. I'm a big nerd, but I don't have laugh tracks attached to me every word and I'm not a fucking wimpy pussy like Sheldon.
April 24, 2012, 10:18 p.m. CST
b/c Jim Parsons is the most brilliant actor on television and I will soak in his every mannerism crafting Sheldon Cooper while I have the chance.
April 25, 2012, 1:14 a.m. CST
Maybe it's the laugh track or the absurd caricatures. or the lame jokes.
April 25, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST
Obviously they had to let the network re-tool the show in an attempt to appeal to a broader audience so they could get renewed. They brought in Megan Mullally. I like her in small doses but the show's been too much about her and her character. It did nothing to bring in new viewers and probably drove a few season 1 fans away. I've stuck with it but if the first season had been this one I might not have. Still holding out hope it might return to form. Michael Rosenbaum is missed.
April 25, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST
Me too. They are nearly debilitated with their stupid geeky attitudes and dumb annoyances.
April 25, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST
In the EW Save the Show poll, Fringe and Community are both being trounced by the godawful Body of Proof.
April 25, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST
Your low expectations are the reason why shitty shows like this populate Adult Swim.
April 25, 2012, 10:57 p.m. CST
Seriously. Asshole Walter. Bad ass evil Observers. 1 handed Willy Bell. C'mon Fox, give one good show a complete arc.
April 26, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST
Great news. :) http://tvline.com/2012/04/26/fringe-renewed-for-season-5/
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