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CANCELLED OR RENEWED?? Upfronts Arrive In Three Weeks!! How Fares Your Network Fave??

I am – Hercules!!

Generally speaking, the shows furthest down at each network are most vulnerable to cancellation.

Green indicates shows already renewed for the 2012-2013 season; red indicates shows already cancelled. Anything in black or blue (blue indicating non-school night shows, which operate with different ratings considerations) indicate series that are technically vulnerable to cancellation. All figures indicate viewers between 18 and 49 years of age.Repeats are in grey. Latest airings are not in parentheses.

2.5 (3.0) (4.4) (4.7) (---) (---) (5.1) (3.2) (5.3) (5.1) (5.6) (5.5) Big Bang Theory
3.8 (3.6) (1.7) (2.2) (3.8) (2.1) (2.1) (3.6) (4.2) (3.9) (4.3) (3.0) Two and a Half Men
3.4 (3.5) (1.6) (2.1) (3.5) (2.1) (2.1) (3.8) (4.0) (3.8) (4.3) (2.7) 2 Broke Girls
3.1 (3.5) (---) (1.9) (3.5) (1.9) (2.0) (3.6) (3.8) (3.4) (4.0) (2.5) How/Your Mother
3.1 (3.2) (---) (1.9) (3.1) (1.9) (1.8) (2.9) (3.4) (3.4) (3.4) (2.3) Mike & Molly
1.7 (3.0) (3.0) (1.7) (3.2) (2.8) (1.5) (3.1) (3.1) (3.1) (3.3) (2.1) Criminal Minds
3.0 (3.1) (1.9) (3.5) (3.4) (2.1) (2.4) (3.5) (3.6) (3.9) (4.2) (2.0) NCIS
1.5 (1.8) (3.0) (3.3) (---) (---) (3.4) (1.8) (3.1) (2.8) (3.3) (3.3) Person of Interest
2.8 (2.7) (2.8) (2.9) (2.8) (3.0) (3.2) (2.9) (2.8) (3.1) (---) (---) Survivor
2.6 (2.5) (---) (2.6) (2.7) (2.9) (2.8) (2.2) (2.8) (---) (---) (---) The Amazing Race
1.6 (2.6) (---) (1.6) (2.5) (1.6) (1.5) (2.5) (2.9) (2.7) (2.7) (1.7) Hawaii Five-0
1.5 (2.4) (2.9) (1.8) (2.6) (2.8) (1.8) (2.6) (2.9) (2.6) (2.5) (1.5) CSI
--- (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (2.6) (2.9) (3.2) (3.3) (3.3) Rob
1.5 (---) (2.4) (2.7) (---) (---) (2.8) (1.7) (2.6) (2.7) (3.0) (2.9) The Mentalist
2.2 (2.7) (2.7) (2.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Rules of Engagement
2.0 (2.4) (1.5) (3.0) (2.8) (1.9) (1.9) (3.1) (2.7) (3.2) (3.1) (1.8) NCIS LA
1.8 (1.3) (---) (1.8) (1.9) (1.7) (1.9) (---) (2.1) (---) (---) (2.2) The Good Wife
1.5 (1.8) (1.2) (2.1) (2.1) (1.3) (1.4) (1.9) (2.0) (2.3) (2.2) (1.4) Unforgettable
--- (1.7) (1.6) (---) (---) (1.6) (1.7) (1.7) (1.6) (1.8) (1.7) (1.3) Blue Bloods
--- (1.7) (---) (2.1) (1.8) (2.1) (2.1) (1.1) (2.2) (---) (0.6) (2.3) CSI Miami
--- (1.7) (1.6) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (1.7) CSI NY
1.7 (1.8) (1.8) (---) (---) (2.0) (2.0) (1.9) (2.4) (---) (0.5) (3.0) Undercover Boss
--- (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (1.5) (1.3) (1.5) (1.3) (1.3) (1.0) A Gifted Man
1.5 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) NYC 22
1.4 (2.2) (1.4) (2.3) (2.2) (1.7) (1.6) (1.3) (1.8) (2.8) (0.5) (1.5) 60 Minutes
1.2 (1.1) (---) (1.4) (1.6) (1.1) (1.1) (1.0) (1.1) (1.2) (1.3) (1.3) 48 Hours

Why did “The Good Wife” get an early renewal instead of the generally higher-rated “Unforgettable”? “Good Wife” is the only CBS show that’s been getting nominated for a best drama Emmy (not that it’ll ever win against cable powerhouses like “Mad Men,” “Breaking Bad” and “Game of Thrones”).

Why is “Two and a Half Men” not yet renwed? It will be. The show recently hit a series low, which is complicating the negotiation of Ashton Kutcher’s deal.

Why are “Rob” and “Rules of Engagement” not yet renewed? Same reason “Shit My Dad Says” was cancelled. “Big Bang” repeats did better in the Thursday 8:30 slot this season than did most new episodes of “Rob,” “Rules” or “Shit.”


3.7 (4.0) (4.1) (4.5) (4.6) (5.2) (6.2) (5.4) (6.0) (6.0) (6.7)(16.3) The Voice (Mo)
3.3 (3.5) (3.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) The Voice (Tu)
2.3 (2.1) (2.0) (2.0) (2.3) (2.1) (2.0) (2.0) (2.3) (2.1) (2.3) (2.1) Biggest Loser
2.2 (2.1) (1.8) (1.8) (1.8) (2.0) (2.3) (1.8) (2.6) (---) (---) (---) Celebrity Apprentice
2.2 (2.2) (1.0) (1.2) (---) (2.4) (2.6) (2.5) (2.6) (2.3) (2.5) (2.8) The Office
--- (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (1.9) (1.7) (1.6) (1.7) (0.7) Parenthood
1.9 (2.0) (2.1) (2.1) (2.2) (2.4) (2.7) (2.3) (2.3) (2.8) (3.8) (---) Smash
1.8 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (1.8) (1.7) (1.7) (1.7) (---) (1.7) Parks and Recreation
1.6 (1.3) (1.2) (0.7) (0.8) (1.5) (1.6) (1.5) (---) (1.6) (1.4) (---) Grimm
1.6 (1.7) (---) (---) (---) (0.7) (1.0) (1.6) (1.6) (1.7) (2.0) (1.4) Law & Order SVU
1.6 (1.6) (1.8) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Off Their Rockers
--- (---) (---) (1.6) (1.6) (1.4) (1.6) (1.5) (1.5) (1.7) (1.5) (1.7) Whitney
1.5 (1.8) (1.5) (1.5) (1.8) (1.6) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Fashion Star
1.5 (1.4) (1.2) (1.5) (1.6) (2.0) (1.4) (1.4) (1.5) (1.5) (1.6) (1.3) 30 Rock
--- (1.5) (1.2) (1.3) (1.5) (1.7) (1.7) (1.6) (1.7) (1.5) (1.7) (1.8) Up All Night
1.3 (1.4) (1.3) (1.7) (1.7) (2.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Community
1.3 (1.0) (1.0) (1.0) (1.1) (0.9) (1.0) (1.1) (---) (1.6) (---) (---) Dateline (Su)
--- (---) (---) (1.2) (1.4) (1.1) (1.5) (1.3) (1.3) (1.4) (1.5) (1.7) Are You/Chelsea?
1.0 (1.0) (1.2) (0.9) (1.0) (1.3) (1.3) (1.3) (1.1) (1.5) (1.1) (1.2) Dateline (Fr)
0.9 (1.0) (---) (0.8) (1.0) (1.1) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Harry’s Law
0.9 (0.8) (0.8) (1.0) (0.7) (1.4) (1.4) (1.0) (---) (1.3) (---) (---) Who Do/You Are?
0.8 (0.9) (0.9) (1.0) (1.2) (1.6) (1.6) (2.0) (---) (---) (---) (---) Awake
--- (---) (0.8) (0.9) (0.9) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Bent
0.8 (0.9) (1.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Best Friends Forever
0.6 (0.5) (0.8) (0.8) (0.7) (0.6) (1.0) (0.7) (0.6) (0.7) (1.1) (0.8) Rock Center
0.4 (---) (0.3) (0.4) (---) (0.6) (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) (---) (---) (0.8) The Firm
0.3 (0.3) (0.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Escape Routes

Why did “Smash” get an early renewal while “The Office” and “Parenthood” did not? Two weeks ago I don’t think NBC execs expected that a musical hourlong following a blockbuster like “The Voice” could fall to a 1.9.

Is “Community” doomed? Incredibly, laughtrack-happy “Whitney,” with its Wednesday 1.6s, now looks healthier than “30 Rock” and “Community” at the moment. However. The DVR-proof Subway shop in Greendale’s cafeteria suggests that the “Community’ showrunners are more than willing to play product-placement ball, which I’m guessing gives it a huge edge.

What the fuck is “Escape Routes” and why has it not been cancelled? “Escape Routes” is a Saturday reality show built around the Ford Escape sports utility vehicle and produced independently by the Ford Motor Company. Because Ford makes the series available to NBC free and allows NBC to sell a lot of its commercial time to other (non-automaker) advertisers, “Escape Routes” can’t help but make  money for NBC.


4.1 (4.2) (1.8) (1.9) (2.0) (4.5) (2.4) (4.8) (4.8) (4.7) (5.5) (2.7) Modern Family
3.2 (2.9) (2.8) (1.2) (1.2) (3.0) (1.4) (1.1) (3.1) (3.2) (4.0) (3.6) Grey’s Anatomy
--- (---) (---) (---) (---) (2.9) (2.5) (2.6) (2.5) (2.5) (2.6) (2.6) The Bachelor
2.9 (3.0) (2.9) (3.2) (3.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Dancing/Stars (Mo)
1.1 (1.0) (2.8) (2.9) (2.9) (2.9) (3.4) (---) (3.1) (3.0) (---) (3.5) Once Upon A Time 
--- (---) (2.6) (2.6) (2.6) (2.6) (2.5) (---) (2.2) (1.8) (---) (---) Desperate Housewives
2.6 (2.9) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Don’t Trust The Bitch
2.5 (2.3) (2.8) (3.1) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Dancing/Stars (Tu)
2.3 (1.6) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (2.4) (---) (2.4) (2.5) (0.9) Revenge
2.1 (---) (2.1) (2.3) (2.3) (---) (1.4) (2.1) (2.1) (2.0) (2.0) (1.4) Castle
2.1 (2.0) (2.0) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Scandal
1.3 (2.1) (1.0) (1.1) (1.2) (2.1) (1.5) (2.6) (2.2) (2.4) (2.6) (1.2) The Middle
2.0 (2.1) (1.2) (1.2) (1.3) (2.1) (1.5) (2.3) (2.3) (2.4) (2.6) (1.2) Suburgatory
--- (1.9) (2.0) (2.0) (0.9) (1.4) (0.9) (1.4) (1.5) (1.2) (---) (1.0) Body of Proof
--- (---) (1.7) (1.9) (1.8) (2.4) (2.0) (2.7) (2.4) (2.4) (2.9) (1.9) Happy Endings
1.7 (---) (---) (0.8) (0.8) (2.1) (---) (---) (2.1) (2.6) (2.2) (2.3) Private Practice
1.6 (1.0) (1.2) (1.2) (1.3) (1.4) (2.2) (---) (2.0) (2.0) (0.7) (1.9) AFH Videos
1.6 (1.8) (---) (---) (1.9) (1.3) (1.3) (2.2) (2.2) (2.2) (2.4) (1.6) Last Man Standing
1.6 (1.3) (1.3) (1.5) (1.7) (1.4) (1.6) (1.8) (1.5) (1.8) (1.5) (1.5) Shark Tank
1.6 (1.5) (2.1) (1.6) (1.4) (1.3) (1.5) (1.2) (2.0) (1.4) (1.7) (1.5) 20/20
1.5 (1.5) (1.9) (2.1) (2.0) (2.3) (2.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) GCB
1.4 (1.5) (---) (---) (1.6) (1.4) (1.5) (1.6) (1.7) (1.8) (---) (---) Cougar Town
1.4 (1.6) (1.5) (1.6) (1.5) (1.2) (1.5) (1.0) (---) (1.5) (1.4) (1.7) Primetime
--- (---) (---) (---) (1.4) (1.3) (1.5) (1.5) (1.7) (1.7) (2.4) (---) The River
1.3 (1.4) (1.5) (1.5) (1.6) (2.1) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Missing
--- (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (1.2) (0.7) (---) (---) Pan Am

Why is “Desperate Housewives” not returning? Its audience is much smaller than during prior seasons and the cast’s mammoth salaries (Eva Longoria alone is said to make something like $9 million per season) no longer make solid economic sense.


4.8 (5.0) (4.9) (5.3) (5.1) (5.4) (5.7) (5.0) (5.1) (6.1) (6.1) (6.0) American Idol (We)
3.9 (4.3) (3.9) (4.4) (4.2) (4.6) (4.9) (5.4) (4.5) (5.1) (5.8) (5.5) American Idol (Th)
2.7 (2.8) (2.3) (2.6) (2.7) (2.8) (3.0) (---) (3.0) (3.1) (3.5) (3.5) New Girl
2.4 (2.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (3.0) (2.8) (3.3) (3.7) Glee
2.2 (2.2) (2.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Bones
2.2 (1.8) (2.5) (2.1) (2.8) (2.8) (2.8) (1.6) (2.8) (2.5) (1.1) (3.1) Family Guy
2.3 (1.5) (1.7) (1.9) (2.4) (2.3) (2.5) (1.6) (2.6) (2.0) (0.8) (2.4) The Simpsons
2.1 (0.9) (1.2) (1.5) (1.5) (1.6) (1.5) (1.0) (1.2) (1.2) (0.8) (1.3) Cleveland Show
2.1 (2.3) (2.3) (2.7) (3.3) (2.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (3.9) Touch
2.0 (1.9) (2.3) (---) (2.1) (1.1) (---) (---) (2.4) (2.4) (2.5) (2.9) House
--- (1.5) (2.0) (2.0) (2.2) (2.2) (2.1) (1.5) (2.2) (1.8) (1.0) (2.4) American Dad
1.9 (1.4) (1.7) (2.0) (2.1) (1.9) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Bob’s Burgers
1.8 (1.8) (1.6) (1.5) (1.6) (1.8) (2.1) (---) (2.1) (2.1) (2.1) (2.0) Raising Hope
--- (---) (---) (1.6) (1.6) (1.6) (1.9) (---) (1.8) (1.9) (2.3) (2.8) Alcatraz
--- (---) (1.3) (1.4) (1.3) (1.5) (1.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Breaking In
--- (1.1) (1.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (1.4) (---) (---) (1.4) (---) Cops
0.9 (1.1) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) The Finder
0.9 (1.0) (1.2) (0.9) (---) (---) (---) (1.2) (1.1) (1.1) (1.2) (1.2) Fringe
--- (---) (---) (0.6) (0.4) (0.6) (0.8) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Q’Viva

What about autumn-only Fox shows like “The X Factor” and “Terra Nova”? “X-Factor” was renewed last year. “Terra Nova” was cancelled last month.

Can “Fringe” still be renewed after hitting two 0.9s? I am discouraged by the lack of any early announcement by Fox last week. Preliminary estimate for last night’s future-set Observers episode was 1.0, but that could get knocked down to a 0.9 when the finals come out on Monday. Producers have reportedly shot both a season and a series finale.

Did Fox really cancel “Cops”?? After 24 years and nearly 1,000 episodes, “Cops” is ending its regular series run on Fox, but is expected back as occasional specials. Going forward, Fox is going to devote most of its Saturday primetime schedules to sports.

Is Tim Kring’s “Touch” getting better ratings than “24”? Decidedly not. The 18-49 scores for first nine episodes of “24’s” 2010 final season (which did not have the benefit of following “American Idol”):
2.8 (2.5) (2.8) (2.8) (3.3) (3.1) (3.4) (3.5) (3.9)

If Fox can afford to pay Kiefer Sutherland’s salary, why doesn’t it just bring back the much better “24”? I don’t know. Sutherland’s enthusiasm about the oft-delayed “24” motion picture suggests he does not fear reprising the role.


The CW
1.0 (0.4) (0.4) (1.2) (1.3) (1.2) (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) (1.4) (1.3) (1.2) Vampire Diaries
--- (---) (0.8) (0.7) (0.8) (0.8) (0.7) (0.7) (0.8) (0.8) (0.7) (0.7) One Tree Hill
0.3 (0.3) (0.3) (0.7) (0.7) (0.6) (0.7) (---) (---) (---) (0.7) (0.7) 90210
0.4 (0.3) (0.7) (0.6) (0.7) (0.4) (0.3) (0.4) (0.8) (0.8) (0.8) (0.4) Supernatural
0.6 (0.5) (---) (0.7) (0.6) (0.5) (0.6) (0.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) AN Top Model
0.6 (0.5) (0.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.6) (0.7) Gossip Girl
0.6 (0.5) (0.3) (---) (0.2) (0.1) (0.2) (0.5) (0.6) (0.6) (0.6) (0.6) Hart of Dixie
0.5 (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (0.6) Ringer
0.5 (0.3) (0.4) (0.6) (0.7) (0.7) (---) (---) (---) (0.7) (0.8) (0.7) Secret Circle
0.3 (0.3) (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) (0.3) (0.2) (0.3) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.3) Nikita

“One Tree Hill” did better than every other CW show but “Vampire Diaries.” Why was it cancelled? Maybe because it’s not selling enough DVDs for parent company Warner Bros.? I’ve no longer any idea why the CW does anything it does. It could order three more seasons of “Ringer,” “Secret Circle” and “Nikita” tomorrow and I would not bat an eyelash.

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  • April 21, 2012, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Great Column

    by DangerMan

    So much better than the trades TV pundits.

  • April 21, 2012, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Keep dreaming, Herc...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I wish 24 would come back, too. By the way, my wife makes me watch The Vampire Diaries. It's like Buffy, if Buffy was written by sweetly developmentally challenged twelve year olds. The sad thing is, I'm broken to it now. I actually don't mind watching it.

  • Umm, the article doesn't say that it was cancelled.

  • April 21, 2012, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Please allow me to be clear...

    by Red Ned Lynch is terrible. But it's better than the Korean soaps she makes me watch on Netflix, and every straight to video zombie movie made in every country on earth.

  • April 21, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Let me be clear...

    by Red Ned Lynch is not better than every straight to video zombie movie made in every country on earth. It is better than having to watch every straight to video zombie movie made in every country on earth. Often one will be quite good. Evil, from Greece, for example. That South African one wasn't bad. But mostly they are. Mostly.

  • April 21, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Community better be renewed...

    by irishraidersfan

    Or I'll go postal!

  • April 21, 2012, 8:25 p.m. CST

    CW Blues?

    by jellymoff

    Why aren't Supernatural and Nikita in Blue? Amazing that the #3 rated show on the network is on Friday.

  • April 21, 2012, 8:25 p.m. CST


    by bowtiehoon

    An analysis on this show's status would be nice...surely its gonna be cancelled with those ratings :( Watched the first 3 eps, not sure if I should bother catching up now...

  • April 21, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST

    NBC Thursday Nights?

    by J

    What is the likely hood that any of them will be cancelled? I think 30 Rock is coming back for a final season, Parks & Rec still has at least 2 seasons left, The Office has 1 and Community hopefully has at least 2 or 3. That's my best guess just based on how the shows seem to be running their courses.

  • April 21, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Escape Routes

    by CelluloidNitrate

    Herc's FAQ for that show took the words right out of my mouth. Shame about Fringe. I wonder if the recent uptick in quality would've helped it earlier in the season.

  • April 21, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST

    RE: Escape Routes

    by J

    I wouldn't actually be surprised if more companies started following this formula with the state of TV advertising due to the afore mentioned DVRs and online media like Hulu, Netflix and Youtube. It would make more sense and could possibly generate shows with higher production value. A large corporation would be willing to spend a ton on making a show if they didn't have to pay to advertise during it and could know that they won't have to worry about competitors running ads at the same time. Either that or Escape Routes is the reason the world is going to end on Dec. 21st 2012.

  • April 21, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST


    by Hercules

    Great show, but it just hit a 0.8. The canceled "Prime Suspect" never fell below a 0.9 in the same timeslot last autumn.

  • April 21, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST


    by Nerfee


  • April 21, 2012, 8:40 p.m. CST


    by yubnubrocks

    has turned out to be surprisingly good. Focus on characters makes it interesting. Sadly, I don't see it getting renewed. I'd love to know what's going on though (with the story).

  • April 21, 2012, 8:44 p.m. CST

    I LOVE Rules of Engagement!

    by dead youngling

  • April 21, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Will somebody please give Kiefer Sutherland a gun.

    by Nerfee

  • April 21, 2012, 9 p.m. CST

    Community's hiatus

    by Harry Palmerlime

    What was unfortunate for Community was, sure, it came back from the hiatus with better ratings, but the episode was somewhat weak so everyone who tried it to see what all the fuss was about went "meh." It better be renewed, though. 5 seasons and a movie!

  • April 21, 2012, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Wow. I am totally amazed that Fox cancelled Cops

    by Jaka

    I mean, it's been on forever. I just expected it to keep going, I guess. But come to think of it, I haven't actually watched it on Saturday night for a couple years, at least. I watch the syndicated re-runs on other channels.

  • April 21, 2012, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Bob's Burgers. That show is hilarious.

    by Scottie Richardson

  • April 21, 2012, 9:20 p.m. CST

    bummer about Awake...

    by bowtiehoon

    Hopefully they are given enough time to wrap up the story...

  • now let us have more, pretty pleaaaase

  • April 21, 2012, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Maybe COPS will be picked up by TruTV or something.

    by 3774

    They'll finger anything with a pulse!!

  • April 21, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Oh, wow....nice selective deletion!

    by 3774

    Let's try that without the site-breakingly-advanced functions of quotation marks. Bob's Burgers is indeed hilarious. His warped kids, specifically. *They'll finger anything with a pulse!!* *I think their slogan is, They have their finger on the pulse.*

  • April 21, 2012, 9:42 p.m. CST


    by gotilk


  • April 21, 2012, 9:53 p.m. CST

    A Gifted Man

    by You Have MY Voice

    I didn't expect to like AGM. But I dig the actors. It's nothing groundbreaking, but it's entertaining and interesting. Shame it will likely not return. Plus, the character played by Patrick Wilson was named "Michael Holt," which was also the secret ID of DC Comics' Mr. Terrific. Surprisingly, there were enough similarities between the two characters to make me think it wasn't a huge coincidence.

  • ummm you're joking right?? 24 ended tired and stale and way past its prime. Touch however, is undoubtedly the best new show of the year. i'd say the strongest opening of a series since lost. i was totally not expecting it to be this good. it's pretty much the only thing that gets me excited (besides community) and makes me look forward to next week's ep. i wouldn't mind a 24 movie, even though the transition from tv to film for that concept is laughably problematic. but DO NOT bring jack bauer back to tv. give Touch a chance to reach it's full potential, if Fringe had that strong of a first season, it might not be floundering when it finally got REALLY good.

  • April 21, 2012, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Why are we still doing this?

    by mdk

    Network TV is deader than dead. The only reliable revenue stream they have left is morning news shows and no one under 60 watches those. It's called streaming you graying old Gen X'ers. Look it up.

  • April 21, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Supernatiral" and "The Vampire Diaries

    by Oldnewbie

    I have already read confirmation elsewhere that both of these shows have been renewed, and yet they are not in green. Why because they aired re-runs the week you did your absurd chart??? That just makes everything on this page completely un-trustworthy and useless. I used to look to AICN as a valued source of info, but due to this and severral other blunders, no more.

  • NBC destroyed itself with that Jay Leno prime time debacle--it hasn't recovered and is still hemorrhaging viewers nearly 3 years later. It's sad, because Community would easily get double the viewers just by being on another network. How can a show that everyone I know watches religiously do so poorly week-to-week? Because none of its viewers have Nielsen boxes...

  • 5000 views for an official promo on youtube.

  • April 21, 2012, 10:42 p.m. CST


    by annie_michael_hall

    BFF and Bent are the two best new comedies on network TV this year. Sorry New Girl. As a consolation prize, you will at least be renewed for a season 2.

  • April 21, 2012, 10:46 p.m. CST

    I'm surprised that FOX cancelled COPS as well

    by Russell

    guess MINORITY REPORT was wrong. Bring back FRINGE for a final 13 episode 5th season on 3/1/13 and conclude it on 5/24/13.

  • April 21, 2012, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Bob's Burgers is better than any of the other animated shows IMO

    by MJDeViant

    It doesn't rely on flashbacks/total randomness to put together an episode. I LOVE Family Guy and The Simpsons but Bob's Burgers, to me, is closer to older episodes of the Simpson's than The Simpsons. It's more coherent (Family Guy relies on too many a cut away) and the family has better characters (I can't stand Lisa Simpson anymore and Bart is weaker too). Be a shame if they cancelled it, unless it went to a network that appreciated it. I'm hoping Community stays for at least one more year as well as Parks. They are far better than anything else NBC has (besides 30 Rock, which I love but I think will probably end when it needs to if it does this year or next)

  • April 21, 2012, 11:09 p.m. CST

    I just want to see Community folks graduate

    by MJDeViant

    Just one more season. Give it a proper run. It's so much better and fresh than almost anything else.

  • April 21, 2012, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Parks is also a great show

    by MJDeViant

    I'm not sure what the endgame could be after Leslie gets/doesn't get the job BUT I at least want one more year. Either we get her as city council or we get her as a park department woman on the rampage and maybe Rudd's character gets fired/impeached. Either way, again, Community, 30 Rock, and Parks are the only thing NBC has. Obviously their ratings aren't the best but, and not even as a fan, I would rather watch something that is trying to go somewhere than fall to competing with the other dreck that is on TV. Whitney is horrible. Big Bang has jokes almost as bad as two and a half men, they just insert nerd stuff but you can see it a mile away, and please stop making reality TV BS. Parks, 30 Rock and Community are well written shows and deserve to stay until they can honestly be replaced.

  • April 21, 2012, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Shows that SHOULD be cancelled...

    by Tristan

    "Touch", "Missing", "The River", "Awake", "Two and a Half Men", "Harry's Law", "Once Upon a Time", "Rob", "Alcatraz", "CSIs", "Celebrity Apprentice"...some of the shows that should be cancelled. "Fringe" should be moved to a different time slot, but we know how Fox is with their programming. These networks need to look at the shows on FX and AMC, as well as HBO, Starz and Showtime and see why they're so popular...

  • April 21, 2012, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Nah, keep Celebrity Apprentice.

    by Shermdawg

    It's been pretty good this season. I would however trim it by a half hour and focus more on mainstream interests and products. Also, letting someone else host would be nice twist.

  • April 21, 2012, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Cancel Supernatural and NEVER bring back 24.

    by Shermdawg

    Both went to shit. Though a 24 reboot with someone else (Wesley Snipes, for instance) would be alright.

  • April 21, 2012, 11:56 p.m. CST

    FIREFLY is the reason FRINGE is still on the air.

    by Jobacca

    That show would have/should have been cancelled after the second season,if not for FOX fearing another FIREFLY-level fan backlash/boycott. If it gets another season I will be amazed. Not that its a BAD show,just that its never been a ratings powerhouse and theres absolutely no other reason for FOX to have hung onto it this long.

  • April 22, 2012, midnight CST

    G4 should pick up Cops, that's all it airs

    by sunwukong86

  • April 22, 2012, 12:53 a.m. CST

    As technology advances why don't they change how they do ratings?

    by Andrew Coleman

    Everyone I work with and know mainly watch shows on Fox and NBC... 30 Rock, Community, Awake, Parks, Office, etc... Yet somehow CBS is this power house? TBBT is total shit. I had a friend who didn't even know 21/2 was still on the air. So what the fuck? Why aren't more people pissed about this? It's pretty obvious the system is flawed beyond belief. I just like NBC Thursdays and Fringe... They can do whatever they fucking want with the rest. They really should bring back 24. The lack of action on television stands out now. Sure did that show have low points? Yup but even those were better than what 70% of the stuff on now.

  • April 22, 2012, 1:27 a.m. CST

    COPS cancelled? Holy shit.

    by lochkray

    The father of modern reality television is being cancelled? I am floored. I haven't watched it in nearly a decade, but it was always there. Like the Simpsons. Just knowing that those shows are always on was comforting. Of course, now we have shows about tow truck operators and people who bake cakes. I guess we don't need COPS anymore. The world just seems a little more...empty to me now. Oh well, at least Andy Rooney is always doing his thing on 60 minutes every week. That's constant. Right?

  • April 22, 2012, 1:52 a.m. CST

    awake=this years chicago code

    by jsfithaca

    both great network shows, both should have gotten a full series run, one canceled, one going to be. only difference is chicago code had halfway decent ratings. and both shows i will never forgive the networks for canceling i dont care how bad awakes ratings are.

  • April 22, 2012, 2:07 a.m. CST

    They should cancel The Simpsons

    by SpaghettiWall

    Whoever is still watching that show is an asshole.

  • April 22, 2012, 2:12 a.m. CST

    Totally agree with the "Bring back 24" thing

    by ObnoxiousCamper

    That show, even when it sucked (and it sometimes did), was way better than most of the stuff on network TV.

  • April 22, 2012, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Fringe should be cancelled, Fox has done well by it

    by Saen

    4 seasons of a show that's ratings justified cancellation every time is more then enough of a good will gesture to the fan base. .9s puts it in supernatural territory, CW territory, Fox should not renew it at that level.

  • April 22, 2012, 2:55 a.m. CST

    Fringe is crapping the bed because of its shitty time slot

    by heroic_duo

    The Friday death slot is designed to kill good shows. I love love love Fringe, but wonder if they need another season. Friday's episode was amazing.

  • April 22, 2012, 6:01 a.m. CST

    Fringe WAS getting really good but...

    by deanmail

    Merging the two universes was the BIGGEST mistake, removing Peter and messing with the male-female sexual tension dynamic is ALWAYS a big mistake (see X-files and Moonlighting). Fridays future-set episode was good but Observers just don't behave DIRECTLY like all (better if they were taking control secretly from behind the scenes). Losing believability and repetition is the kiss of death for any good sci-fi tv show, smooth gradual change works best. Instead of merging universes, the parallel one should have been totally destroyed with only a few refugees hiding out over here seeking revenge OR a way to bring their own universe back by destroying ours.

  • April 22, 2012, 6:41 a.m. CST

    Bring Back Lost, 24, BSG, Firefly, and Kings While You're At It

    by Crow3711

    And might as well throw deadwood in there too. In the perfect fantasy world of my mind, these shows all went 6 seasons and a movie (and if they actually did get six seasons…they went ten or something)

  • April 22, 2012, 7:10 a.m. CST

    The few times I tried to watch Awake

    by Mugato5150

    They barely touched on the "two lives" thing and it was just another cop procedural. I doubt they even have an answer to it and just assume it'll be canceled before they have to come up with one.

  • April 22, 2012, 7:26 a.m. CST

    The Finder

    by NudeandAroused

    I love "The Finder." great fun and good entertainment. Michael Clarke Duncan is superb. Nothing like the books. The TV series is far better. Not that the books suck, they do not. The series is much better. Too bad it won't make it, but the show is great.

  • April 22, 2012, 7:29 a.m. CST


    by NudeandAroused

    I agree with you. With the implication of a another stupid conspiracy, I think the show is heading to a silly place. This and "The Killing's" dumb conspiracy are reasons why American TV sometimes really sucks.

  • April 22, 2012, 7:50 a.m. CST

    A 24 movie

    by lobezno

    Shuold be called "2" or "1.30"

  • April 22, 2012, 7:51 a.m. CST

    97 (minutes)

    by Crow3711

  • April 22, 2012, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Nikita and Fringe

    by WASPFAN

    Nikita is a very good show - with nobody watching. CW does such a poor job advertising their shows. The fact is they have not been anything since the debunct WB and UPN merged -- The WB was driving with buffy and angel... had better ratings than today but also have a lot more competition... Nikita is one of the best shows on free TV that no one watches... Fringe is a strange show and I have enjoyed it a bit better lately. Started so promissing -- but let's be honest the entire concept is ridiculous.. If you had 5-7 billion copies from one universe to the other - than how come so many people have lost their copy on one side? just statistically it would be impossible ... there would be too many deviations... that aside - it is fairly clever the way the show has been working.. and we shall see if observers are really going to try to take over --- series ender could be a continuation of observer episode -- with them reverting the universes back to pre-peter territory and defeating them... I am still amazed it gets the ratings it does on Friday with a crazy plot like it has... My seven year old loves it - but I don't think follows the main arc....

  • April 22, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST


    by WASPFAN

    2 seasons max -- The show is Heroes with one kid who can't talk... Not exactly a great idea... Keither can't save it either --- 3 episodes in I was out ... did not love it...

  • April 22, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Fringe Season 5 means syndication

    by WASPFAN

  • April 22, 2012, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Watching Season 4 Fringe is like a Chore

    by tailhook

    And thats not a good thing. This has easily been the worst season of the show by far and its like the show is treading water trying to fill out its episode order. It FEELS like the writers know this thing is a sinking ship and are moving from one contrived situation to the next. The great episodes of this year are few and very far between. This is in sharp contrast to Season 3, which was easily one of the best seasons of the show. So honestly, I don't blame people for bailing on the show and it has nothing to do with the Friday Death Slot. When you put out subpar material, expect people not to watch.

  • April 22, 2012, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Bring back...

    by Truxton Spangler

    24? Yeah, right. Everyone has moved on, and those that haven't can't even agree on enough things to get a movie made. And as much as I think Fox misses it on Monday nights, it was stale creatively. Why isn't XXX show coming back? $$$

  • April 22, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Bobs burgers

    by Bass Ackwards

    It looks like bobs burgers is actually doing alright in the ratings, good news!

  • That actual TV should be able to do this to. Personally I would rather everything switch to either an HBO format, or just a pay-per view style set up, where pilots for shows are free, and after that you can either pay per episode, or get a season subscription to the shows you like. No ads, no Neilson ratings, just consumers voting with their dollars towards shows. If a show is having trouble finding an audience they can always run a few free episodes to entice people, etc.

  • April 22, 2012, 8:44 a.m. CST

    I'm still amazed that 'straight to dvd TV shows' do not exist

    by Rebel Scumb

    I mean if you think about those giant bins full of cheap as hell crappy movies you see at Walmart, and everywhere else. Someone must buy those movies, in fact a lot of people must because they keep making those movies. I actually had a friend who use to work for a company that bought up cheap indie films, and then turned them over to direct-to-dvd distributors and made a huge profit doing this. Anyways, my point is, if THOSE movies can make a profit. And in a market where popular shows like LOST, Game of Thrones, etc etc can make a huge killing on blu-ray/dvd, as well as shows like Firefly or Futurama where the ratings on TV were not stellar, but the dvds themselves rake in a tidy profit, why haven't network's/studios started producing stuff for homevideo release only? Think about it this way, you have a property like Firefly. You know there is a fanbase, very loyal who WILL pay for new content. You also don't want to risk the show on network where it has failed already, as well as a theatrical movie which also failed to perform. But there is money to be made. Just look at the sales figures for the TV series dvd, calculate roughly how much money you would make from releasing a '2nd season' set, let's say it works out to a conservative $30 million. Then just go to Joss and say, we're willing to give you a budget of $12.5 million, make as many episodes as you feel you can with that money and we'll release them. Hell with firefly you wouldn't even have to waste money on marketing, just send a press release announcement to the right geek websites, post the pre-order on amazon and you're set. If the set rakes in the estimated $30 million, give Joss another $12.5 million, and repeat. and I'm just using firefly as an example, but there are several shows that fit this criteria.

  • April 22, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Bobs Burgers is shit and I hope it gets cancelled.

    by JudasPriestly

    The show isn't funny and it anybody that thinks it is are complete morons.

  • April 22, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Another vote for The Finder!

    by profp

    A show I enjoy very much (currently better than its mother show "Bones")-- the whole cast is terrific, especially Geoff Stults and MCD. Fox has plenty of crap it could lose in order to keep The Finder. On the bright side, Person of Interest and Grimm are safe.

  • April 22, 2012, 10:13 a.m. CST


    by Toe Jam

    You couldn't be more wrong about "Bob's Burgers." I started watching with low expectations, and it's undoubtedly the animated Fox series with the most laughs and heart. It's also surprisingly risque. (See the "Finger anything with a pulse" joke someone else quoted above.) Also, you never help your case for deeming people "complete morons" when you don't use proper punctuation or have proper subject-verb agreement ("anybody ... are"). Want to try that again?

  • April 22, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST

    COPS! What a guilty pleasure.

    by t_allen

    Rednecks beating on the girlfriend with a black eye who screams while crying at the police, 'DON'T TAKE AWAY MAH BABAY!' while the jackass is being hauled off to jail and usually resisting arrest... Crack-heads, drunks, drug dealers and hookers being screwed with. Not in a bad way and sometimes given fair warning before arrest or release... Lots of years of fun things to look back on, but man I love that show... R.I.P. Cops and much respect to the many men and women wearing a badge!

  • Double whammy

  • April 22, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    I agree that Bob's Burgers is for morons

    by Dr. Hfuhruhurr

    I was so looking forward to seeing a new show from the Home Movies guys but the kids are obnoxious jerks. It's annoying that they have adult men voicing the wife and two oldest kids. Try hiring some female voice talent instead of giving the jobs to your buddies. Who's producing this, Adam Sandler?!

  • April 22, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Get this!

    by Dr. Hfuhruhurr

    The actor that plays Gene is named Eugene. He also played Eugene on Flight of the Concords and Eugene on Home Movies. Must be because when they call him by his character's name, he doesn't answer.

  • re: "Everyone I work with and know mainly watch shows on Fox and NBC... 30 Rock, Community, Awake, Parks, Office, etc... ... It's pretty obvious the system is flawed beyond belief." I don't really see how the few dozen people you know better represents the viewing habits of 300 million people than what is currently used. Then again, I suspect your sample group's tastes more closely mirrors my own. So, while I disagree with the validity of your findings, I think I would be perfectly content if networks made decisions based on your group's preferences.

  • April 22, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST


    by Russell

    not sure if you were being sarcastic but Andy Rooney left 60 Minutes almost a year ago and then died shortly after some surgical procedure.

  • April 22, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Nikita is a good show, with a crap time slot

    by Cash907

    If they put it back on Thursdays where it was paired with Supernatural, it would do a lot better.

  • April 22, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST

    And the Nielsen system is exceptionally flawed

    by Cash907

    and no longer reflects the modern reality of tv viewing. Live viewing is dead, ding dong dead. People meters are flawed as well, and should not be relied on. The only way to get a real sampling is by opening up access to viewer habits directly from the set top boxes themselves, but this raises two issues: 1) Privacy concerns, which I don't have to go into as everyone knows what they are, and 2) Demo tracking would be problematic. Set top boxes don't keep track of that information, which advertisers demand. Even if you could program into the box the ages and genders of the home's occupants, there would be no real way with current tech to track who was actually watching what and when.

  • April 22, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Re: cash907

    by J

    Your comment should have read: Nikita is a crap show, on a crap channel. Put it in any time slot you want but as long it's on the CW it will only be watched by prepubescent children and ignorant adults. Any channel that continues to give Tyra Banks an hour for several weeks twice a year needs to burn in hell.

  • April 22, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST

    cash, while I agree, there are ways around both issues...

    by Rebel Scumb

    Actually there is just one basic thing that would more or less resolve both the privacy and the demographics Just make tracking info voluntary, and not an obligation. People could sign in like they do for email, youtube, xbox, etc and just select whether they want their viewing habits shared for statisical purposes. They could still supplment demographic info by doing surveys and other traditional tracking, but to measure overall viewership it would still be a much better indication than with the way it's done now. Just my 2 cents.

  • April 22, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST

    I see more commercials while watching DVRed shows

    by jim

    than I do watching "live" tv. Sure, with the DVR I FF through the commercials but I still see something of them, flashes of images. If something catches my eye I rewind to watch. With "live" tv viewing, once the ads come on I change channels (usually a baseball or hockey game, sometimes basketball, or the 10,000th airing of "Armageddon"). After a few minutes I flip back and might catch the tail end of some ad, but that's it. I wonder, does Nielsen track how many of its viewers change the channel during commercials?

  • April 22, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST

    should be "I change channels (usually TO a baseball..."

    by jim

    Then again, most of what I watch "live" is sports, so often I am changing from one to the other. However, I wanted to make clear that I've never sat down to watch a broadcast of "Armageddon" on TV, even if I have caught the end of it several times after what I was watching has ended. Hey, I'm just as flawed as the next guy.

  • .... These days shows with two or three seasons get syndication ... And I would be surprised to see fringe on anything but a cable network, as it's pretty gory... although that could be an easy part to cut for length.... Anyway, I want a new, better season for their last ... Doing something different and brand new was a good idea, but it's should have been radical and drastic like the future episodes, not a humdrum reorganization of character relationships, and an excuse to bring back all the old characters (although I have to admit I am kind of okay with the latter!).... The show should go out one better, higher note.

  • April 22, 2012, 4:29 p.m. CST

    100 episodes is the min for syndication.

    by J

  • April 22, 2012, 4:58 p.m. CST

    re: "100 episodes is the min for syndication"

    by jim

    Not according to this: Star Trek never made it to 100 episodes. Neither did The Sopranos or Sex & The City. Newsradio got close with 97 episodes. The Big Bang Theory went into syndication with 87 episodes (but, yeah, as an ongoing show, come next fall, their syndicated rotation of episodes will top 100).

  • April 22, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST

    HIMYM STILL ALIVE!! but alcatraz, seriously?

    by Jackson

    I watched alcatraz @ first but the writing was so bad i couldnt handle it. same with terra nova. Community is also great but everybody who isnt chevy chase, abed, troy, jeff or cheng are prety bad actors in my opininon. I dont mean to be sexist at all cuz there r no girls in my list. I just dont think the women in that show are great actors.

  • April 22, 2012, 5:36 p.m. CST

    I think NBC will be cancelled next, followed by ABC

    by DavidBanner

  • April 22, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Once Upon a Time - Great Show

    by Red_Right_Return

    Doesn't need to be cancelled at all. Everything else you mentioned should be.

  • No idea why, really. It just is. But it's clearly not a REQUIREMENT. Especially not with so many cable channels that need programming these days. <p> Also, the original Star Trek was an anomaly. I don't believe there's ever been another show with so few episodes that went into syndication, became more popular than when it was originally broadcast and eventually spawned what is possibly (probably?) the biggest franchise in US television history. 725 episodes so far. Nothing else like it apart from daytime soaps.

  • April 22, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Rebel Scum...

    by Master Bruce

    interesting idea...straight-to-dvd-tv...why hasn't anyone done this yet?

  • April 22, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Keep Once Upon A Time, Fringe, Awake and Touch

    by Paul

  • April 22, 2012, 9:09 p.m. CST

    DTDVD TV shows

    by v3rlon

    Haven't really happened because no one has done it successfully yet. Firefly was probably the best chance to date, but they went movie instead (and got less than they hoped). Fringe may prove to be the next opportunity. A show successful enough to drive DVD sales is *normally* successful enough to stay on the air. What would a $12.5 million season of Firefly look like? Would it be good enough? Could you sign all the principle actors and enough writers with that? Sure, Jewel might be up for it, but Nathan is on Castle. Why risk that to go do this experiment? And so on and so forth. Heck, with the Avengers, why would Joss stop and do it? It is going to take the right mix at the right time for this to work. Once it does, I think we will see a serious change in the landscape. It might, ironically, be a show like Escape Routes, that finally does it, because it never has to deal with the advertising end of it.

  • April 22, 2012, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Jaka: reason for 100 eps

    by MGTHEDJ

    100 eps meant 4 straight months of episodes, at 5 eps a week. You would go through the stack 3 times a year. Some sitcoms did get away with less eps, like the Munsters (76), Addams Family(64-ish), and Gilligan's Island(99), since they could be paired up with news or some other sitcom to fill one hour on the afternoon schedule. But that was rare. In 1967, Desi Arnaz cloned/recycled I Love Lucy as a show called The Mothers-In-Laws. It lasted 2 years, but it never got the run in 1970's syndication like the 3 previous shows I just mentioned. WKRP was the last sitcom to be really penalized for falling just shy of 100 eps, but that show was a monster in syndication in the 1980's. The one hour dramas really needed that 100 number. Star Trek was the exception because it had a large under 40 male demo, and most did not see the 3rd season because of it's bad time slot that year on NBC. Having to wait only 2 months to see those Year 3 eps again was not an issue. Today, if any show, sitcom or one hour drama, goes 3 years, it will find a way to at least a 3rd tier cable channel for a run of a year or two.-----later----m

  • April 22, 2012, 9:56 p.m. CST


    by top_cat_james

    'I don't believe there's ever been another show with so few episodes that went into syndication,& became more popular than when it was originally broadcast..." Off the top of my head- "The Honeymooners" (39 episodes) "The Jetsons" (24 episodes) "The Monkees" (58 episodes)

  • April 22, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Direct to dvd TV

    by Rebel Scumb

    Thanks Masterbruce, at the very least it seems like something someone would have tried unsuccessfully by now. There has been (to my knowledge) zero attempts at this. v3rlon: I was just using Firefly as an example, as with the budget mentioned. I agree a firefly reunion will never happen now, but for example if they had tried that out 3-4 years ago even it might have worked. Wouldn't be a full 26 episode season, might end up just being 3-4 episodes, or one big miniseries/tv movie, or could be 6-7 bottle shows With firefly I wouldn't mind, the appeal of that show was always the main cast interacting. They could set a whole episode just with them sitting around the dinner table and probably get a good episode out of it. either way, it was just for example sake, there are plenty of cancelled shows, or likewise shows that could start out on the direct to dvd format. My point was not that this would be nessesarily the best way of doing things, I'm more just puzzled that NOBODY has at least tried to make some cash with at least attempting it.

  • April 22, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST

    re: The New WKRP in Cincinnati

    by Jake Pantlin

    I be leave that part of the reason that show was made was so that they could add the new episodes to the existing original episodes, to push it past the 100 mark. I remember as a kid seeing them play the new show with the original 90 (thus becoming episodes 91 to 136).

  • April 22, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Yes on New WKRP

    by MGTHEDJ

    To follow up, 100 eps was a sure thing to get all US cities to buy your show for reruns, everything from NYC and LA to Ada Oklahoma, Lubbock Tx, Boise Idaho and Fargo ND. Before 1980, most cities only had the 3 network affiliates and a PBS station. Stations signed off at 1am at the latest, so that meant only 4-5 hours a day per station were available for syndication packages. 12-15 hours for the whole city. Station owners only wanted the BIG hits-Lucy, Dick Van Dyke, Beaver, Andy Griffith, Twilight Zone, or shows with maybe less eps but that were very kid or young adult friendly: like ST:TOS, Munsters, Jetsons, Gilligan, Monkees, or Addams Family. WKRP didn't get the 95-99% of all the cities in the USA, they originally got much less. But where the show did air it did very well, and it helped them pick up more cities as the 1980's wore on. Then coupled with New WKRP gave them a successful 2 year run, until the music licensing rights ran out on the original 90 and they had to butcher the original package to remove all the original music, song lyric quotes, and musical montages. That ran the audience off and killed the show. If it wasn't for that, WKRP would be all over TV Land, VH1 Classic, and Hallmark Channel right now.-----later-----m

  • April 22, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Fox Animation is Crap!

    by vladvampire

    The Simpsons haven't been cutting edge in forever, Bob's Burgers is absolute crap on a pile of turds and as far as the rest of the line up, let's just say I wished Seth MacFarlane wouldn't have overslept that one fateful day.

  • April 22, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Clerks Animated Series aired only 2 episodes

    by jimbojones123

    But ran all six in syndication for tears on Comedy Central.

  • April 23, 2012, 12:17 a.m. CST

    mgthedj, Antenna TV started airing WKRP couple weeks ago

    by top_cat_james

    and unfotunately its the aforementioed desecrated version. Won't be watching. Impressive posts, BTW. Good job.

  • April 23, 2012, 1:37 a.m. CST

    Community doesn't need six seasons and a movie

    by BlueLando

    It's a four season show. Jeff said this much. He has a table at a fancy restaurant booked for 2013, after he graduates from community college. So logically THAT'S the series finale... does Jeff leave for his old world, or does he choose to stay and realise it's more fun being a borderline poor man-child than it is being a rich lawyer? Let's let ONE show end on schedule, okay.

  • April 23, 2012, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Dont trust the Bitch

    by Wheel99

    in apartment 23 should be renewed this instant!!

  • April 23, 2012, 3:52 a.m. CST

    The Prisoner

    by A_Banned_Apart

    17 episodes.

  • April 23, 2012, 5:28 a.m. CST


    by Bodacious_Crumb

  • sad to see those two shows just tanked. Pan Am at least had a longer run than Playboy club. But I do miss Kings, Firefly, BSG. i'm fried with 24, no offense i'm glad that's done. -Rex

  • April 23, 2012, 5:29 a.m. CST

    Who the hell watches Bob's Burgers?

    by Joe

    That show is so dumb.

  • April 23, 2012, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Fringe back on the ball

    by lagomorph

    Fringe never lost focus in season 4 but it lost game. It would be sad to see it canceled just as its got its mojo back. The run up to the finale has been awesome and included soem great reveals about the Observers and retcons of Season One that have finally made its series long story arc of Fringe events, Cortexifan, and Shape Shifters start to make sense in a larger context.

  • April 23, 2012, 7:45 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I agree that 4 seasons is fine for Community Although if somehow magically it got a 5th season, it would be funny to see all the characters go out into the world, fail to get jobs, then have to come back to Greendale as teachers

  • April 23, 2012, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Yeah Pan-Am was ideal escapist TV

    by menacingphantom

    Not trying to hard plot and character-wise, but doing what it sets out to do perfectly. Kind of like a less funny and less cheesy Love Boat. Plus you gotta love the period costumes and atmosphere, in spite of how sanitized (ie no smoking) it is. I recommend Magic City if you liked Pan Am.

  • April 23, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST

    top_cat_james - Interesting examples

    by Jaka

    And I get what you're saying about their continued life after their original short runs. But none of them were responsible for an additional 700 hours of television. Nor, in the long run, did they have the same cultural impact. Trek is just it's own weird thing in pretty much every way.

  • April 23, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Add me to the list of people who enjoyed Pan Am

    by Jaka

    I mentioned it regularly when the show first started airing. But it looked expensive, so the ratings made it clear pretty fast that it wasn't destined for a long life.

  • April 23, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST

    mgthedj - Cool. Good info.

    by Jaka


  • April 23, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST

    60 minutes is in black?

    by Dr_PepperSpray

    Guess they shouldn't have run that story on Christians leaving Israel. <P> But seriously, why hasn't 60 minutes been immediately renewed? <P> Lastly: Who gives a fuck about 24? It ran out of gas mid-season 2 and just hung around because certain fans couldn't let go and the stories got bad enough for the reality-tv fans to jump on board.

  • April 23, 2012, 9:13 a.m. CST

    100 episodes matter more with Sitcoms than Dramas

    by DonnaTroyLost1

    And that syndication dollar, especially with Dramas, is essentially gone. It's been replaced by the DVD sales dollar (more immediate return to studios to offset costs, instead of sinking investment costs with future returns 4-5 years when those execs are gone). In the drama realm, your local affiliates aren't running those shows 5 days a week. It is at most 2 on Saturday and Sunday, and a cable network (really only the Turner nets and maybe SyFy if cheap enough) would be the candidates to run it, in which case the 87 or so would be enough, to get them 3 runs a year (almost exactly, with 17 weeks x 2 = 85 + 2 left over to cover the 52nd week and the extra day if it falls on a weekday) for Fringe. It matters more with sitcoms who book double airings at 7 or 11 PM the first year to realize quick turnaround and can burn through 100 episodes pretty quick at that rate.

  • April 23, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Direct to DVD was tried with Babylon 5

    by DonnaTroyLost1

    It was a stated experiment to see if the funding could materialize to keep the show alive in that format. Sci-Fi show with devoted fandom (whether you are or not), putting together original core Cast Members (Boxleitener reprised his role, and many of the secondary cast did also), low price point (Purchase price brand new was less than $20) written and produced by Stracyzinski, so you can't say the people doing it didn't get the show. It just bombed (no I don't think it was great either). Pretty much killed the idea. I think this was pointed to back when they tried to start this bandwagon for Firefly pre-Castle days and it pointed to this as an example where the studios just don't believe in the concept.

  • April 23, 2012, 10 a.m. CST

    I hope Nikita gets renewed

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    It's like 24 without all of the bullshit plot contrivances used to pad every plot out to 24 episodes. Great action, characters and writing. More people should be watching.

  • April 23, 2012, 10:06 a.m. CST

    I'm also part of the "I liked Pan Am" group.

    by jim

    Everyone was making the "Mad Men" comparisons, but I found it had much more in common with "American Dreams". It was a nostalgic look at the 60s rather than a realistic one. There was an air to it that was just a bit too colorful, too crisp and clean to be real. While ABC might have wanted it to be "the next Mad Men" I never got from watching that that's what the show was trying to be.

  • April 23, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    The River...

    by Chris Sorrentino

    ...absolutely ridicules, contrived, poorly written, poorly acted and even poorly shot, but god damn I can't lie, it was a total guilty pleasure of mine (in a Mystery Science Theater 3000 kind of way). But they ended it smartly, they wrapped it all up at the end of the first season. Guess they knew a second season wouldn't be happening...

  • April 23, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    And Fringe in my opinion

    by Chris Sorrentino

    Is great and is one of those shows that more people will appreciate when you can sit and watch every episode back-to-back (assuming that they actually get an ending...).

  • April 23, 2012, 11:10 a.m. CST

    FRINGE is a spectacular fucking show. Renew that shit now, FOX!

    by F This

    Don't blame the shitty ratings on the show, FOX. You new gawd-damn well when you put in the Friday death slot that ratings wouldn't be great. Now give this amazing show a proper 13-episode send-off!!!!!!

  • April 23, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    The Finder

    by professor murder

    I remember last year when I saw the BONES episode called "the finder". The regular Bones cast did not have a lot of screen time, and the episode was great with the new people they were following. I thought immediately 'they must be using Bones to test a new show', and surely enough, this group (minus the english accent chick) developed into their own series(and BONES cast has appeared on their show now too). I like the Finder a lot, but it seems like it's going to be a one season thing. Shame. Walter and Leo are a fun combo to watch.

  • April 23, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST


    by professor murder

    How did they wrap up the River? It ended with them being stuck in the jungle as it physically altered ahead of them, closing the river's exit, leaving them without the hope of escaping they previously had. To me, that is throwing the series up in the air, not wrapping it up.(unless we're all supposed to just think that's it, they must all die)

  • April 23, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    @bluelando -- Eff you, SIX SEASONS & a MOVIE !!!!

    by TheFifthCylon

  • April 23, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Prof Murder

    by Chris Sorrentino

    Yeah, like kind of a Twilight Zone ending. They accomplished their mission of finding Emmet, but now none of them can ever leave, which is pretty cool in my opinion. It's not the most definitive of endings, but if it doesn't get a second season then the Twilight Zone ending works for me...

  • April 23, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Fox cancelling both fringe and the finder

    by majortom25

    Does fox have replacements for fridays if they cancell both the finder and fringe?

  • April 23, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST


    by professor murder

    Nope, FOX will just move two more shows people like to Fridays and then cancel them the following season, and so on...

  • April 23, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST

    What demented mind watches WHITNEY?

    by ZodNotGod

    The Partridge Family was like 98. Lost in SPace had less than 100 episodes, Land of the Giants, time tunnell, Branded, Rat Patrol, Iron Horse; shows I grew up watching that limped along in syndication without 100 plus eps.

  • April 23, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Fringe needs to cancel Fox

    by Afzal

  • April 23, 2012, 4 p.m. CST

    Rules of Engagement must be renewed

    by prince_fufu

    It and Big Bang Theory are really the only TV my wife and I watch.

  • April 23, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST

    happy endings was renewed

    by darkpassenger


  • April 23, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST


    by darkpassenger

    i heard that was probably being renewed and one of the old producers jeremy carver was gonna take over the show which is great cause he wrote some of my favorite episodes ( changing channels and mystery spot)

  • April 23, 2012, 5:08 p.m. CST

    I guess CW will drag it to 10 like they did for Smallville.

    by Shermdawg

    So sad.

  • April 23, 2012, 5:36 p.m. CST

    jh wyman just tweeted fringe has a 99% change for renewal

    by AshokForgiven

    I guess things are looking positive for FRINGE! :)

  • April 23, 2012, 8:05 p.m. CST

    NoMore Pan Am?

    by Grimjack99

    Guess I'll just have to wait for the DVD to continue staring at Christina Ricci's perfectly-formed ass in a stewardess uniform...

  • April 23, 2012, 8:50 p.m. CST

    No more (two words) "Pan Am".

    by MisterManReturns

    And one hopes, no more "Good Christian Bitches". It's insulting in so many ways. Try creating a show called "Good Jewish Bitches" or "Good Muslim Bitches," and see if it flies. Yeah, I know it was cut to "GCB," but whatever. I'm a Christian, and pretty liberal, but that show bugs me.

  • April 23, 2012, 11:10 p.m. CST

    America's Funniest Home Videos...

    by coming2atvnearu

    single-handedly beating everything on the CW. Why do people still watch that show?

  • April 24, 2012, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Did anyone ever see the "Cops" behind the scenes videos?

    by replica

    They came out probably 15 years ago. They had all sorts of stuff that didn't make the show. I remember these two cops having to catch a cow and bring it back to the owner. The camera man was laughing and cracking jokes at the cops expense the whole time. Funny as hell.

  • April 24, 2012, 7:05 a.m. CST


    by leehb

    is now 'dead meat'....what a shame! This was a really great series.

  • April 24, 2012, 8:31 a.m. CST

    by rakesh patel

    cbs i watch big bang theory and person of interest, dumped 2 broke grisl, hawaii five 0, the mentalist and a gifted man, time daved! nbc i've downloaded awake, i wont watch it until i hear wthere it has a 2nd season or not, think it will be n excellent series ( word of mouth seems psitive) i just didnt want to be invested in a show again only for nbc to cancel it ( fool me once with journeyman! Ya reap what you sow nbc!) and of course community. which has been up and down of late. if it ets reneewed great, if it doesnt.. well at least they had a fair;ly decent run. basically there could ne no nbc shows i watch. abc. I watch no shows on thier network. the network that brought us lost! nothing. fox i watch house which is finishing, new girl which i actually really like fringe which has always been solid, the best sci-fi (only?) show on tv at the moment, and the last ep,, well that last ep was brilliant. i hope it gets renewed. alcataaz i dumped. so potentially only newgirl fox if fringe doest get renewed. cw: supernatural i'm hoping they dont run it nto the ground. either raise the quality or make this season the last. basically it seems i will have a lot of free time to have a life.

  • April 24, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Way too much junk do you all have the time?

    by ZodNotGod

    Wednesday, thursday and Sunday are the only days I watch anything more than two hours worth. The rest are movies... CANT WAIT FOR THE RETURN OF DALLAS!

  • April 24, 2012, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Actually, WKRP and TAXI were hits when they premiered...

    by ZodNotGod

    and CHEERS was dead last in the ratings. Bill Cosby helped push Cheers ahead. WKRP was moved on the schedule 7 times in four seasons. TAXI too, was moved around too many times. ABC killed it, NBC had it for one year, when the network was in the dumpster, one year before Bill Cosby came to the rescue; ironically enough it aired it's last season in front of the first season of CHEERS.

  • April 24, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST

    What's with the 24 obsession?

    by ZodNotGod

    It was on way too long and become a joke. Especially after his entire family were traitors, spies-whatever.

  • April 24, 2012, 10:57 a.m. CST

    love Whitney? So you all love unfunny, contrived shit?

    by ZodNotGod

    Is Punky Brewster, Major Dad, Family Matters, Tim Allen's new series funny too? I fear your answer.

  • the last couple seasons of 24 were unwatchable.

  • April 24, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Considering it's shit like Whitney, of course...

    by ZodNotGod

    What next....I LOVE AIDS.

  • April 24, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST

    re: mistermanreturns

    by ZodNotGod

    BINGO! And the networks wonder why viewers are dwindling. Why would any product set out to insult it's audience? I'm no prude, but it is offensive.

  • April 24, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Still don't get the Big Bang Theory love...

    by ZodNotGod

    As a geek, it's alien to me. It's written just as bad as Two and Half Men, only instead of cheap sex jokes, you get cheap, geek/pop culture references. Both are stilted and unfunny. *shrugs.

  • April 24, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Big Bang is good you, moron!

    by JarJar25

    I don't get you, zodnotgod. It is funny and one of the best in town!

  • April 24, 2012, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Breaking In

    by SamBlackChvrch21

    One of those mysterious comebacks, only to get shit canned again? in my opinion the show was better in its first iteration, perhaps the changes made between seasons alienated the small, but apparent fan base. Maybe the next go.

  • April 24, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Big Bang is NOT funny...

    by ZodNotGod

    It's "Geek blackface;" they are caricatures of what boring regular people think the way geeks act and behave. I'm a big nerd, but I don't have laugh tracks attached to me every word and I'm not a fucking wimpy pussy like Sheldon.

  • April 24, 2012, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Why do I watch TBBT...

    by natecore

    b/c Jim Parsons is the most brilliant actor on television and I will soak in his every mannerism crafting Sheldon Cooper while I have the chance.

  • April 25, 2012, 1:14 a.m. CST

    I'm a geek and TBBT just doesn't work for me

    by FrodoFraggins

    Maybe it's the laugh track or the absurd caricatures. or the lame jokes.

  • Obviously they had to let the network re-tool the show in an attempt to appeal to a broader audience so they could get renewed. They brought in Megan Mullally. I like her in small doses but the show's been too much about her and her character. It did nothing to bring in new viewers and probably drove a few season 1 fans away. I've stuck with it but if the first season had been this one I might not have. Still holding out hope it might return to form. Michael Rosenbaum is missed.

  • April 25, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST


    by ZodNotGod

    Me too. They are nearly debilitated with their stupid geeky attitudes and dumb annoyances.

  • April 25, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Man, America really sucks

    by mongo126

    In the EW Save the Show poll, Fringe and Community are both being trounced by the godawful Body of Proof.

  • Your low expectations are the reason why shitty shows like this populate Adult Swim.

  • Seriously. Asshole Walter. Bad ass evil Observers. 1 handed Willy Bell. C'mon Fox, give one good show a complete arc.

  • April 26, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST

    "Fringe" has been renewed for a 13 ep 5th and final season.

    by Imagikafan

    Great news. :)