Herc’s Thursday TV Talkback!! Chat Here About COMMUNITY, OFFICE, ROCK, EAGLEHEART, AWAKE, PUNK’D, TOUCH, IDOL, GREY’S, DIARIES And More!!
On tonight’s “The Office” Andy battles Nellie to retain his regional managership. Will it suck as bad as last week’s installment?
Deleted from last week’s “Welcome Party”:
Café Racer (8pm Velocity)
Parks and Recreation (9:30pm NBC)
Great American Manhunt (9pm NGC) features a team of experts employing "the very latest techniques and technology in forensic science - as well as a bit of intuition and some old fashioned clue busting abilities - to unravel the complex mystery put before them."
Kathy (10pm Bravo) is Kathy Griffin’s new weekly talk show. (For some reason Bravo airs Bravo executive Andy Cohen’s talkshow “Watch What Happens Live” daily.)
Not Safe For Work (9pm Tru) scours the Internet for amusing video. Kind of like Comedy Central’s “Tosh.0.”
* “The Office” hit a 4.8 one Thursday two seasons ago. Last season it hit a 4.5 and never fell below a 3.2. Last Thursday “The Office hit a 2.2, its lowest score in quite a few years. Incredibly, it’s still NBC’s top-rated scripted primetime series.
* “Community,” “Up All Night” and “30 Rock” were all up a bit, no doubt thanks to the return of “The Office” (and “Big Bang Theory” offering a repeat), but their scores still look insanely anemic. (Hard to believe that “30 Rock” hit a 3.1 last season. Even fucking “Outsourced” premiered with a 3.6 in the post-“Office” slot last season.
* A rebound for “American Idol” did not prevent Tim Kring’s “Touch” from matching its all-time low score. (In 2010, the last Cowell season of “Idol” launched at 11.8. 2011’s first Cowell-free season premiered at 9.7 last season. Now it can’t muster half that.)
* “Awake” again tied “Prime Suspect’s” all-time low of 0.9 but it still hasn’t hit “The Firm’s” Thursday low of 0.8. "Awake" was beaten badly by a repeat of "Person of Interest" and ABC's underperforming "Scandal" tied with MTV's "Punk'd at 10 p.m.
Thursdays, Feb. 2-April 12, 2012
(18-49 finals; repeats in grey; prior weeks in parentheses)
4.3 (3.9) (4.4) (4.2) (4.6) (4.9) (5.4) (4.5) (5.1) (5.8) (5.5) American Idol
3.0 (4.4) (4.7) (---) (---) (5.1) (3.2) (5.3) (5.1) (5.6) (5.5) Big Bang Theory
2.9 (2.8) (1.2) (1.2) (3.0) (1.4) (1.1) (3.1) (3.2) (4.0) (3.6) Grey’s Anatomy
2.7 (2.7) (2.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Rules of Engagement
--- (2.4) (2.7) (---) (---) (2.8) (1.7) (2.6) (2.7) (3.0) (2.9) The Mentalist
2.3 (2.3) (2.7) (3.3) (2.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (3.9) Touch
2.2 (1.0) (1.2) (---) (2.4) (2.6) (2.5) (2.6) (2.3) (2.5) (2.8) The Office
2.1 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) 2 Broke Girls
2.0 (2.0) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Scandal
1.8 (3.0) (3.3) (---) (---) (3.4) (1.8) (3.1) (2.8) (3.3) (3.3) Person of Interest
1.8 (1.7) (1.6) (0.8) (2.0) (1.9) (1.8) (1.7) (1.6) (1.9) (---) Swamp People
--- (---) (---) (1.7) (2.7) (2.8) (2.7) (2.9) (2.9) (3.0) (3.2) Jersey Shore
1.6 (1.0) (1.7) (---) (1.5) (0.9) (1.0) (2.2) (0.9) (1.2) (0.9) NBA Basketball
1.5 (1.2) (1.3) (1.5) (1.7) (1.7) (1.6) (1.7) (1.5) (1.7) (1.8) Up All Night
1.4 (1.3) (1.7) (1.7) (2.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Community
1.4 (1.5) (1.5) (1.6) (2.1) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Missing
1.4 (1.2) (1.5) (1.6) (2.0) (1.4) (1.4) (1.5) (1.5) (1.6) (1.3) 30 Rock
0.9 (0.9) (1.0) (1.2) (1.6) (1.6) (2.0) (---) (---) (---) (---) Awake
0.9 (0.9) (1.6) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Punk’d
0.8 (0.7) (0.7) (0.4) (0.7) (0.5) (0.7) (0.8) (0.6) (0.4) (0.8) The Daily Show
0.8 (0.7) (---) (---) (---) (0.4) (---) (---) (0.7) (---) (0.7) Impractical Jokers
0.8 (0.8) (1.6) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Pauly D Project
--- (---) (0.8) (0.8) (2.1) (---) (---) (2.1) (2.6) (2.2) (2.3) Private Practice
0.8 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Sold!
0.7 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (0.5) (---) (---) (---) (0.4) After The First 48
0.7 (0.6) (0.6) (0.7) (0.6) (0.8) (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) (0.6) The First 48
0.6 (0.5) (0.6) (---) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.7) (0.4) (---) (0.7) Colbert Report
0.6 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Eagleheart
0.5 (0.6) (0.5) (0.4) (---) (0.5) (0.6) (0.6) (0.6) (0.6) (0.6) Conan
0.5 (0.4) (0.5) (0.5) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (0.4) House Hunters
0.5 (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.3) (0.3) (0.4) (---) House Hunters Intl
0.5 (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) Impact Wrestling
0.5 (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Sweet Genius
0.5 (0.4) (---) (0.4) (---) (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) World’s Dumbest
0.4 (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (0.2) (0.4) (0.3) (0.2) (0.3) (0.4) (0.3) O’Reilly Factor
0.4 (0.4) (1.2) (1.3) (1.2) (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) (1.4) (1.3) (1.2) Vampire Diaries
0.3 (0.2) (0.3) (0.2) (---) (0.2) (0.2) (---) (---) (0.3) (0.2) Hannity
0.3 (---) (0.4) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Mary Mary
0.3 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Resurrection Tomb
0.3 (0.4) (0.6) (0.7) (0.7) (---) (---) (---) (0.7) (0.8) (0.7) Secret Circle
0.3 (---) (0.3) (0.3) (---) (0.3) (---) (0.3) (0.3) (0.4) (0.3) Selling L.A.
0.3 (---) (0.4) (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (0.4) (0.4) (---) (0.3) (0.4) Selling New York
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April 19, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST
April 19, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST
Never had the opportunity to do that and I couldn't resist...
April 19, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST
The gay guy or the fat chick? Just kidding, never saw the show. I'm giving Community yet another chance because everyone says how awesome it is. Maybe this is an off season or something. I admit I'd give my middle nut to get with the girl but it seems like a show that refuses to get canceled. It's been given more undeserved chances than an American Indian applying to college.
April 19, 2012, 3:58 p.m. CST
by Randy DeLaney
That main Indian chick was smoking hot.
April 19, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST
What, is it a delightful comedy about thousands of Americans losing their jobs?
April 19, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST
by Gene Cowan
Not as good as Children's Hospital, but still fun.
April 19, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST
by Gene Cowan
Any word on how likely these shows are to get S2?
April 19, 2012, 4:29 p.m. CST
April 19, 2012, 4:31 p.m. CST
Now it's just the stuff that was less funny than what did make the crappy episode. Time to put it out of its misery and move Community to that timeslot.
April 19, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST
by Pete Michaelson
BTW, speaking of Outsourced, the movie was actually pretty funny and provided an interesting view of modern Indian life that I had never seen before. The show took the basic premise, hollowed it out, and tried a mixture of Office and Community writing, and turned it into a turd sandwich.
April 19, 2012, 4:47 p.m. CST
And how many episodes does it have left? Has it been renewed yet?
April 19, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST
Only way NBC can save itself. . .
April 19, 2012, 6 p.m. CST
Fall schedules are announced the week of May 14.
April 19, 2012, 6:01 p.m. CST
that's the first day of Sweeps.
April 19, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST
To answer your second and third question about Person Of Interest..........................................................
Four episodes until the end of the season and, yes, it has been renewed, thank you, Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 19, 2012, 7:22 p.m. CST
Four more episodes until the end of the season and, yes, it has been renewed, thank you, Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 19, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST
April 19, 2012, 7:36 p.m. CST
It may not be picked yup, but I admire "Missing!" Nice to see a woman go "jack Bauer!"
April 19, 2012, 8:17 p.m. CST
April 19, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST
Very creative episode that had some genuine laughs.
April 19, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST
because I can't get high enough to get Community. I tried.
April 19, 2012, 8:44 p.m. CST
30 Rock has had a real bounce back season, probably the best since the third. It's been on a real roll since the Jack as Batman episode. Also I think the Harmon/Chase thing is a work.
April 19, 2012, 8:51 p.m. CST
Just awful. And Catherine Tate might be the singularly most grating and irritating person on television right now. Pretty much the only thing that could get me interested in watching again would be Erin getting buck-naked and going at it solo for the full half-hour.
April 19, 2012, 10:28 p.m. CST
It's odd that her character Donna on Doctor Who got the same response in the beginning. Universally reviled. She's basically the same here (grating, shrill, and out of touch), but unlike here the character grew, and was actually pretty good in the end. Here though, gah! I hope Helms is heading for the hills.
April 20, 2012, 1:26 a.m. CST
Awake was good though, I'm wondering if or how the wifes moving plans will get derailed since Britten has to stay around to figure things out.
April 20, 2012, 3:34 a.m. CST
They teased us with the return of evil Abed months ago, and an episode like this set mostly in their dreamatorium, seemed perfectly designed to build on that. Instead we got another episode of feelings and will they won't they relationships, and a minimum of laughs. I get more laughs out of thinking of Pierce as Chevy now, and everything he says is just Chevy ad-libbing his age and dickishness.
April 20, 2012, 3:36 a.m. CST
...not an actress, comedic or otherwise. Please, stop employing her as such. Thank you.
April 20, 2012, 6:07 a.m. CST
My local NBC affiliate pre-empted Community and 30 Rock to show two local programs about the Olympics and local football. WTF? Isn't that what Friday and Saturday nights are for? Hopefully I will be able to catch them On Demand tonight.
April 20, 2012, 7:46 a.m. CST
She was the worst companion the doctor had and she's the worst continual guest appearance on the office. Her Florida story arc was barely acceptable and should not have continued on. With all the rumored leavings by next year it will most likely be 100% unwatchable.
April 20, 2012, 7:48 a.m. CST
April 20, 2012, 8:32 a.m. CST
Outside of the claymation episode in season 2, the series was sinking in a Chang-like stink and was not as fun as season 1...well...season 3 has been such a head-over-shoulders improvement...it's been giddy. The Hearts of Darkness episode with the Dean trying to make a commercial? Best episode EVER. Christmas episode? Classic. Pillow Fort Pt. 2 Ken Burn's-esque episode? Nothing competes. It has been a stellar season. Best of the series.
April 20, 2012, 8:37 a.m. CST
I thought there was a universal "NO!" when it came to Catherine Tate's interview last season. I think that Paul Lieberstein did not expect James Spader to knock it out of the park and have people clamor for him. So...he made sure that he extinguished whatever made that Spader's character work in his interview introduction for this season and made damn sure that Catherine Tate was brought in as office manager...thereby satisfying the single person who had the jones for her: himself. Michael Scott was right: Get rid of Toby.
April 20, 2012, 8:50 a.m. CST
Ron 'Fucking' Swanson killed it. Hope he returns to Children's Hospital this season.
April 20, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST
by Kauzi Sezso
The show is definitely waning, but there are still funny bits there. To be honest, the show was waning before Carrell left, so there's no reason to think it would be better if he were still there. It's just running its course. FWIW, I like Catherine Tate in the show and I wish she'd been there all season. Putting Andy in the manager's seat made the character bend more toward Michael Scott, which didn't work. The best way to keep the show fresh would be to put a very different character in that office and see how it changes the dynamics of the other characters. There's a chance to do that now with Tate, but it will be seen if it's too late to make that swing. Personally, I'd like to see some insider thing in Nellie's office -- a blue police box toy, or have her bring out a pair of obvious reading glasses -- some kind of bone to the Doctor Who fans who are obviously watching.
April 20, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST
jfisch, I respectfully disagree. Catherine was originally written to be a one note comedic foil for the Doctor in one of the Christmas episodes. At that time she turned down his offer to travel with him, a decision she subsequently regretted. The first few episodes after she found and rejoined him, they maintained consistency with her initial incarnation, but after a few episodes, they transitioned her into being one of the strongest character's the show has produced, second only to River and possibly Romana. Catherine as Donna forced the Doctor to confront and justify the moral ambiguity of many of his decisions. That dynamic has too often been missing with his leggy companions, to whom he usually just would explain that they were like children and couldn't understand the complexities of his understanding of the universe. Her character forced the writers to be more thoughtful about the situations they wrote him into, and actually forced the show to evolve into a more narratively complex form. I'd say "Fires of Pompeii" marked the beginning of the new, New Who, and I put that break almost on the same level as the difference between old and new Battlestar Galactica from the perspective of meaningful storytelling. Davies lost the spark for a while after Catherine left, with all of those excrable episodes leading up to Tennant's departure, but Moffat and Smith seem to have successfully inspired the Who writer's to get the show back on track.
April 20, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST
Riskebiz: Ok the Documentary episode was genius I'll admit that. I think the problem is they got off to a bad restart. Before the break the episodes were awesome but the first episode back seemed to be out of order and wasn't the best. Hence the drop in ratings. People came back and expected something big (I did) and it just seemed to disappoint. Don't get me wrong I'm a huge fan and I think it's one of the best comedies on TV right now. I'm just afraid that all this love triangle stuff is going to interfere. I prefer a universe full of crazies and odd situations over deep character development. I too am glad they Chang-ed the role of Chang. I think that was due to the success of the Hangover. They tried to mik it. Now the same thing is happening with the Jim Rash as the Dean after his big win at the Oscars although I think he's a far better character than Chang. Maxwello: I understand your arguments but I still found her more annoying than lovable for the most part. I often felt like she was like a big kid always getting into trouble. She did play a pivotal role in the final product we ended up with in Tennant's Doctor. The biggest issue I had is that sure she made a huge difference and changed as a character along with the Doctor. Both characters evolved over the series but in the end what happens? She saves the universe and then is reverted back to the same person she was before she met the Doctor. Like none of it happened. Didn't care for it. Provided this memory loss is what sends the Doctor into the spiral that leads to his regeneration but it just felt like bad script development. She added a lot to the Doctor but I guess it just boils down to a personal preference of personality. This is something that can be debated over and over and as I do I find myself flip-flopping back and forth between liking her and just being annoyed by her. Side note: I think River was probably the most important companion the Doctor has ever had... or is it will have? Wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff but I'm not sure when or if we'll see those moments.
April 20, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST
Hauling cube! Best thing Tate has brought to the office and that was only through her interaction with other characters. But the cycle is happening again: Dwight is her inside man reporting to her like he did with Carrell. Jim understanders here on a more personal level from the magician thing but still is annoyed by her like was with Carrell. As for the other characters they're all still pretty much the same as they were in season 1. Andy is the same as Michael and it's all played out. It had a good run but I think it's time to let go. If shows like this could the should look at the past to see what works. Seinfeld ended while it was still golden but I'm afraid The Office won't be able to pull off such a grand exit.
April 20, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST
but Jim Rash did pull it off better.
April 20, 2012, 10:54 a.m. CST
and that Spader's leaving at the end of the season. It would be interesting if Andy sues Dunder Mifflin for his job back.
April 20, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST
by rakesh patel
I loved sttng, it was truly my first foray into sci growing up as a kid. yeah there were other tv shows. But STTNG was My show, i loved it. I brought all the videos as they were realised ( our family didnt have sky in the early days) and religiously watched and rewatched them. I watched so many episodes so many times i know the dialogue off by heart. But there was one epsiode.... One episode that i watched and after watching it with a friend we bothe looked at each other and said what the fuck was that all about. That episode was "Masks" Watching this episode of Community, after it finished, i talked to no one in particular and said wtf did i just watch. Someone help me out here, wtf did i watch?
April 20, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST
by Kathy Griffins Clownish Twat
Even I am sick of myself.
April 20, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST
i don't specifically remember that particular ST:TNG episode... but yeah, last night's community episode pretty much gave me the same reaction. i think dean pelton summed it up the best: "i think i may have gone too far this time."
April 20, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST
I'm really enjoying this show. Funny to watch Kiefer whispering his lines though just like he did as Jack Bauer but the stories and how they all tie in together have been pretty fantastic. There are also lots of 'dammits' :-)
April 20, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST
Its NBC so they didn't show T & A, but they showed as much as they could show, her and detective Britton snuck into a public swimming pool at night, stripped down and dived into the pool from the high dive. Its the last 5 or 10 minutes if you just want to watch that. Besides that the episode was good also, Britton was helping a couple enter witness protection.
April 20, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST
If your wife is alive and well, you don't dream of her naked. So she is gone, and the dream wife is naked.
April 20, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST
by Michael Lunney
April 20, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST
I dream about your wife naked all the time... doesn't mean shit.
April 21, 2012, 8:16 a.m. CST
by Feral Colon
Ever since Billy baldwin cameo-ed. -sent from one of my four ipads.
April 21, 2012, 5:27 p.m. CST
Its still not as gag packed as it used to be though. Not sure how I feel about them making Abed (and Troy to some extent) actually mentally unstable. It was always there in the background but this year they've took it so far that it's just a little too weird. It's no wonder it doesn't do well in the ratings, I'm sure a casual viewer would have no idea what's going on, let alone find any of it funny. It makes you wish they'd just do one of those class of the week episodes from season 1. Remember the seize the day teacher? "I'll have... a birthday cake!" - it's been a while since Community has had as funny a line as that
April 21, 2012, 9:36 p.m. CST
And the wife should stay naked. Who names their kid "Rex" anyway? That is all. Oh and Catherine Tate should get hit by a truck.
April 22, 2012, 9:01 p.m. CST
by Bass Ackwards
Seems really fresh this season, they got a second wind or something from Baldwins talks about leaving. Community, I don't know, I'm finding it less funny, and I'm not at all invested in the characters to the point where I care about all the soap opera stuff . I think the big mid-season break hurt the show, the writers got way too much time to sit and dwell on insular go-nowhere bs and less time to crack out the funny.
April 23, 2012, 6:33 a.m. CST
by Kauzi Sezso
I loved Seinfeld, but honestly, that show wasn't funny its last couple of years. It went downhill fast after Larry David left. As for the end of The Office, I think you're right, and it'll limp to a close.
April 23, 2012, 5:46 p.m. CST
by rakesh patel
I actually liked the seize the day teacher as well.. but he never came back.. like Michael Kenneth Williams what happened to him??!?! starburns and magnitude has been rather quiet of late as well I thought Cornelius Hawthorne was just hysterical. I'm hoping they can do a pierce centric epsiode and somehow bring back Cornelius as ghost dad
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