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Herc Is Smitten With HBO’s New Dunham/Apatow Sitcom GIRLS!!

I am – Hercules!!

A funny new sitcom from 25-year-old screenwriter-director-actress Lena Dunham (“Tiny Furnture”) and producer Judd Apatow (“Bridesmaids”), “Girls” follows twentysomethings trying to ride out The Great Recession in Brooklyn.

Dunham’s co-stars include Jemima Kirke (“Tiny Furniture”) and famous offspring Allison Williams (daughter of newscaster Brian) and Zosia Mamet (daughter of writer-director David). Becky Ann Baker (“Freaks and Geeks”) and Peter Scolari (“Bosom Buddies”) play the Dunham character’s parents.

Apatow doesn’t direct or write the show, but it does feel a lot like “Freaks and Geeks” in that it seems to squeeze a lot of strong comedy out of real-world incident.

And real is even realer, thanks to HBO. These girlfriends are so close they take shits in front of each other and even bathe together. There’s also a lot of nudity and pervy sex games and doggy-style fornication.

The pilot also features a hilariously passive-aggressive battle between Dunham’s character, Hannah, and Hannah’s mom, who is determined to cut off Hannah’s financial support now that Hannah is 24 and a college graduate. Hannah doesn’t want to work at McDonalds. Mom, it turns out, is determined to buy a lake house.

If tonight’s pilot doesn’t fry your burger, I encourage you to stick with it. The series gets better as it progresses. Look at all these glowing reviews:

HuffPost TV says:

... It's certainly been a long time since I was this beguiled by a set a characters, but "Girls" is one of those rare birds: It's a show that comes to us with its voice, characters and ideas fully formed. …

HitFix says:

... it may, in fact, be the best new HBO comedy since "Curb Your Enthusiasm" … As I'm neither a woman nor in my early 20s anymore, I can't speak to how well "Girls" captures that generation of women. But I can tell you that it definitely has a voice, and it's a great one: witty and wise and warm and not exactly like anything you've heard before.

Time says:

... I can only say: Girls is actually that good. … A handful of you may know Dunham for her 2010 movie Tiny Furniture; Girls captures some of its elliptical indie sensibility, but in a way that’s more structured, with more story and stakes, and–not to overstate the role of co-producer Judd Apatow, because this is mainly Dunham’s creation–but it is in a way reminiscent of the naturalistic, character-based comedy-with-heart of Freaks and Geeks. (With HBO sex and language and a much more urban setting, of course.) …

The New York Times says:

... worth all the fuss … Ms. Dunham, who made her reputation with an independent, highly autobiographical movie, “Tiny Furniture,” makes great comedy out of her own shortcomings. …

The Los Angeles Times says:

... There is a cool cleverness to the show that is both attractive and off-putting; the characters are flawed and hyper-aware of their flaws, the stories so bent on covering every angle of self-examination that there is no real role for the viewer to play. Which makes watching it an intellectual rather than emotional experience. It is easy to laud the courage and talent behind the piece, to watch with great interest where the show will go, how it will push the artistic boundaries of television. It's more difficult to care about the characters themselves. Obliviously insular in that small space behind the glass, they are essentially incapable of real connection. Which is, after all, Dunham's point. …

The San Francisco Chronicle says:

… Lena Dunham just may be the future of television. If not, she comes thrillingly close with Sunday's premiere of her groundbreaking sitcom … "Girls" represents an exciting moment in television history because, like a handful of other shows (MTV's "Awkward," most notably) it not only makes great use of the medium but has the creative guts to realign it for a new century and a new generation. …

The Washington Post says:

... Dunham has created a superior work of fictionalized anthropology. …

The Denver Post says:

... This time it's not penned by patnernalistic male writers — or gay male writers a la "Sex and the City," with a skewed view of the subject. It's created, written by and starring a self-aware and self-deprecatingly funny young woman who lets us in on the process of mining her mistakes. ...

USA Today says:

As funny and creative as her show may be, there's little doubt Girls (**** out of four) will be too explicit, too New York-specific, and too young-and-female-centric to appeal to everyone. But talent will out — and as creator, director and star of this new HBO sitcom, Dunham is clearly a talent to be reckoned with ...

TV Guide says:

… Welcome, girls. Or more precisely, young women, a breed of defiant bohemian twentysomethings who populate Lena Dunham's brilliantly raw and raunchy Girls, a true breakthrough series ...

Variety says:

… if "Tiny Furniture" filmmaker Lena Dunham's series is in places too mannered, it's also fresh, honest and raw. And if she's not the voice of her generation, as her character tells the folks, she's certainly a voice -- one worth hearing, and right at home on HBO. …

The Hollywood Reporter says:

Few series come out of the box as brilliant as Girls does. The new HBO series from Lena Dunham (Tiny Furniture) is one of the most original, spot-on, no-missed-steps series in recent memory. … Like Louie, Girls is shot through with the unmistakable DNA of its creator and it’s impossible to overstate the brilliance of the artistic vision at hand here. …

10:30 p.m. Sunday. HBO.

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  • April 15, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Girls taking shits in front of each other? Thanks a lot, HBO

    by mypalfish

  • April 15, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST


    by alexander

    Tiny Furniture was not what I expected, but I really came round to it by the end. Been looking forward to this. Also, is it alright if no one uses that god damned word mumblecore ever again? No? Too Late? Damnit.

  • April 15, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST

    is that chris o dowd?

    by FreeBeer

  • Dumpy naked girls...all for it. Naked dumping girls... not so much.

  • Even though his movies have been good, the TV shows he's produced are still the best of the best. That reminds me, it's probably just about time to do another Freaks and Geeks/undeclared marathon soon...

  • Bitch is annoying. I watched the first episode. It's horrid. I mean horrid. If this is hip and funny to you then you're an asshole. Sorry but that really does qualify you for your asshole badge. <P> HBO can't seem to get things right. Not everyone is in NYC and LA and most of the world isn't impressed with elitist losers any more.

  • April 15, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    I'll give it a shot.

    by Rebel Scumb

    It's a shame bored to death is gone, it's very hard for me to find comedies I like, but since Community is the only thing left on network tv I'm watching, I'm willing to give anything HBO rolls out a try.

  • Yay, a cast of whiny losers I'd rather murder with sporting goods than watch on television. Thanks, Apatow.

  • April 15, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Might have been the worst show I've ever seen

    by gumbyandpokey

    I would be amazed if this got anything close to decent ratings. Annoying hipster-indie dialogue from annoying hipster-indie characters...the whole thing is intolerable. The funny thing is that all these girls come from very entitled, privileged backgrounds in real life.

  • April 15, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Those aren't reviews, they're a pretentiousness competiton

    by Cash907

    a superior work of fictionalized anthropology

  • April 15, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Uh oh, lots of nudity!

    by Toe Jam

    Don't tell the guys over in the Sunday programming/"Game of Thrones" thread. You'll really raise their dander. Also, don't tell the haters of Skyler from "Breaking Bad" and Winona from "Justified." They HATE any half-realistic depiction of a female. From what I've read and heard, this is actually much more heartfelt and sincere, and less catty and materialistic, than "Sex & the City." But most of the geeks here on AICN see "female," "twenty-something" and "New York City" and immediately disqualify it. It must be "hipster shit," right? (Never mind that "hipster" has become the new "hippie," in that most people who use the word do so only as an idiotic catch-all for any segment of the population that doesn't conform to their narrow view of what is mainstream.) I'm hoping for something in the vein of Alexander Payne's work or even Apatow's better stuff. Then again, it could completely suck.

  • And her friends are played by... Mamet's daughter, and journo-bot Brian Williams' daughter. This might be the first show I can ever remember that I will aggressively not watch.

  • April 15, 2012, 2:53 p.m. CST

    HBO must be shitting themselves they've lost the misogynist demo.

    by Calibos's Ginger JewFro

    They no doubt were counting on a AICN groundswell for this show.

  • Don't assume that all women are into watching a show about a bunch of privileged white chicks playing grownup in THE GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD.

  • These gals are running around NYC being pretentious and odd and it just screams false to me. You want idiosyncratic? Peculiar, quaint, distinctive? And no that doesn't mean I"m being a woman hater. I have absolute respect of the highest order for women. Hell, us guys would be lost without them. This show isn't anything groundbreaking. Gals, leave it to the master Wes Anderson.

  • April 15, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST

    "Buffy" wasn't just for chicks

    by Toe Jam

    If you actually tried watching more than a couple episodes and believed it to only be for chicks, I have to question both your taste and intelligence. Beyond the fact that the main character was female (wha-wha-what?!), there was nothing about it that was "chicks-only."

  • April 15, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Brian Williams daughter is kinda hot

    by Titus05

    will she be involved in any lesbian sex scenes?...the promos looked mildly amusing and makes me interested in checking it it airs immediately after Game of Thrones so it will get some extra eyes

  • I'm glad this thread spits in the face of fucking idiots like the twats who run Hitfix and The NY Times (which is about as reputable as the National Enquirer though much more dangerous since some very simple people actually believe the lies they read in the NY Times). <P> Take notes: your audience is all done and fed up with giving opportunity to your narcissistic bullshit, HBO. Unless you think GOT and Curb can carry you forever then it's time to clean house and get some fresh eyes in there that aren't clouded by their own bloated egos. <P> In short: we're all done hearing about how great you are if we give you a chance. Urbanite fuckwits are at the end of any doubt just annoying douchebag losers who should only be acknowledged when you're in some way deriving pleasure from their misery. That was the suspicion before. It's not been confirmed. So you fat ugly cunts and your fag friends can STFU now because there is a backlash coming to your kind I don't think you're all going to enjoy but you very much deserve. <P> Anyway fuck this show and that ugly, spoiled dumpy ass cunt. This will get 400K viewers maybe but be called a hit and given a second season regardless of how in reality and to normal people it's boring and a complete waste of time.

  • There not being an Edit button on here after all this years is kind of funny at this point. No FB integration. No G+. Come on guys just fire your friend and hire a real dev team.

  • April 15, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST

    That looks really obnoxious.

    by Mugato5150

  • Forget even trying to get a temp job. The only way to get a job here is at LEAST holding a bachelors in software engineering or an affirmative action hire. You can't even get a job at McDonalds as the Mexicans have taken even that lowly poistion over.

  • April 15, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Typo above.

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    Supposed to be 'It may be a recession in the rest of the country,'. Yeah, this forum does need a way to edit what you just wrote.

  • April 15, 2012, 8:10 p.m. CST

    It must be nice having famous parents.

    by atlatl

  • April 15, 2012, 8:57 p.m. CST

    I'm 25 and don't know anyone who acts like that

    by sunwukong86

    Must be a New York thing

  • April 15, 2012, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Absolutely perfect for retaining Eastbound's audience.

    by Mike-El

    Cool synergy, HBO.

  • April 15, 2012, 9:26 p.m. CST

    i guess nudity is cable's new thing.

    by Bouncy X

    they almost had me with Game of Thrones, especially since it was all real and natural women. none of that implant stuff that Spartacus it was lovely to see and historically acurate. but nudity can only go so far and as Game of Thrones proved, after the first 4 episodes it was enough boredom to deal with and i stopped watching. somewhere someone is typing or at least thinking "oh you don't like game of thrones, you're taste or lack thereof is in question now" or something to that effect when someone dare not like what they do. :P

  • April 15, 2012, 9:41 p.m. CST

    White new york hipsters with first world problems

    by DrVillian

    After HBO smarting up and getting rid of how to make it in America they pick up this shit. Shows like these make the only regrettable thing about 9/11 is that al queda didn't destroy all of New York.

  • April 15, 2012, 11:47 p.m. CST

    hmmmm ...

    by DrMorbius

    I guess it would be INFINITELY easier to post your entry, then read said post, see mistakes and whine about no edit function. Yes, much easier than rereading and correcting BEFORE posting your entry. Clearly a problem with the site!

  • April 16, 2012, 12:04 a.m. CST

    This is what gets me pissed about white tv shows...

    by Norman Colson

    I'm sorry but i cannot stand a show where it's based in new york and yet there are like no black and spanish or even asian, indian people around. It's like worse than sex and the city. This is just another white show about 4 white women who have no real world problems... Oh im a college graduate and my parents are gonna cut me off?! WTF, bitch get a damn job! stop laying on your back getting fucked in your ass. and get a job! shit! lol.

  • April 16, 2012, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Women seem to hate this show even more then the men

    by Cash907

    Especially non white women, or women that don't live in New York. They are tearing it and it's dipshit creator a new one over on and the imdb boards. I forced myself to watch the entire thing, and it's probably the most pretentious, insulting pile of shit I've seen in awhile. Love the last scene though, when she steals the 20 dollar tip from the maid, and on the way out of the hotel some random homeless black dude gives her the "don't be sad baby, you in New York city." Thank you, Uncle Reemus. Zipity doo dah, Zipity aye!!

  • April 16, 2012, 1:02 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    stop saying *hipster*. It just reads creepy and annoying now.

  • April 16, 2012, 1:04 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    all that terms like *hipster* do is get you off the hook from having to explain yourselves. It's an out. It's lazy.

  • April 16, 2012, 1:06 a.m. CST

    I think someone should make a show about people who hate this show...

    by Andrew Coleman

    The hate towards this show interests me. I personally won't watch because I think it looks bad. But I think the core problem of why people hate this show already is being looked over... Sure you're getting lunatics claiming this is people not liking "liberal" stuff. That's bull shit and untrue. TBBT we're told is a #1 show in America and that is written by one of the most liberal guys EVER. No I think the problem that this show has is the creator. People are tired of networks/studio's focusing on youth. This chick is 25 and wrote this show. Everyone in it from her to the other actresses all come from serious money. So their problems are basically young rich kid problems. It's not that it's in NY. I'm sorry but most people wish they lived in NY... Don't believe me? Why do so many people visit the city then? No I think it's because recently media seems to only care about youth. Bieber being crammed down everyone's throats. Twilight and Hunger Games dominating. So now we have this... Young rich insiders making shows about the only thing they know... Being rich insiders. It's bull shit. It's not real. The show is about women dealing with hard times? Then they'd be sucking dick for cash... Or get caught up in drugs. This is so fake and frankly tiresome. It's not that it's hipster... It's not because it's NY... It's because there are what hundreds of thousands of us with good ideas. But because are dads or moms weren't famous, and some of us weren't birthed into cash... We can't even pitch those ideas. I think that is why everyone fucking hates this show. Everyone understands how it got made. And frankly if the material wasn't so obvious people wouldn't hate it so much. Problem is the creator is just not good at what she does.

  • April 16, 2012, 1:08 a.m. CST

    See, at least ghost-of-chainsaw explained himself.

    by gotilk

    Even though he came off like a jerk that doesn't realize how hard it is to find work in NY right now. I will say one thing though, to people who live there and can't find work to pay for their 1500 dollar a month studio (brick box with toilet+hot plate). MOVE!

  • It's an interesting city and all, but not THAT fucking interesting.

  • April 16, 2012, 1:49 a.m. CST

    And Hipster is established, sorry Gotilk

    by Cash907

    We say it, and immediately everyone knows what you're talking about. That's why society crafts descriptive words: so we don't have to go around wasting time and breath describing shit there is already a well known word for. Darmok and Jilad at Tanagra.

  • April 16, 2012, 1:59 a.m. CST

    perhaps y'all should watch portlandia again

    by mojination

    and get all that hipster rage out of your system. i'm looking forward to this show, and that's as a 30+ male from sydney. good writing is good writing - you can't argue with that, and by all acounts this is really really good.

  • April 16, 2012, 2:10 a.m. CST


    by SK229

    I think you're right, but I DO think the word 'hipster' has some truth to it, although I agree it's overused. It seems to have become a catch-all for people who get up in the morning actively STRIVING to appear different and, for lack of a better word, 'hip'(!), and yet want to appear to affect an attitude of not caring about such trivial things as how they dress or come off and must actively hate anything 'mainstream' or corporate. When in fact, they most often live in New York, aren't FROM New York (I work in entertainment and live in the area, grew up in NJ) or the tri-state area but have often grown up in some one-horse middle american town and didn't get the memo that New York is really just a giant outdoor mall now with not much culture to speak of, and this is where they've come to create great art, be 'different', and unshackle themselves from their former pedestrian life in small town, U.S.A. They wallow in things that are different for different's sake (which relates here, somehow, because that's ALL that the festival system, as long as you have rich familial connections, allows in these days). Trust me, I work with a lot of these people... they're fucking weird and hipsterism is almost like an ideology they cling to around these parts. Besides that, in something totally unrelated but somehow related, I watched Trading Places for the 100th time again the other day and it struck me that the people we depend upon to bring the funny nowadays are incapable of crafting something like that. Snark rains... so does constant self-deprecation (thinly disguising SUPREME self-absorption, almost to a sociopathic level), sex, fart, and bodily humor comedy, jokes about drugs, and relationship humor. All other kinds of humor (good slapstick, double takes, class warfare, comedy based on timing, situational comedy, comedy about catching ghosts or taking the family cross country on vacation or joining the army or, I don't know, nuclear holocaust) are almost totally absent from the entertainment landscape today. It's all super insulated snark generated mostly by well connected kids who've grown up in rich families, and almost always Jewish. And you know what, a vast majority of it just isn't funny. Watch something like that shit on MTV recently, Guy Code? A lot of the people on that are up and coming 'comediennes' in NYC and L.A. and they talk as if you SHOULD laugh at what they're saying, but you don't. Another example is that commercial with Aziz... I think it's American Express or something, and he's doing some kayaking mime b.s. Just not funny, but he acts as if it SHOULD be. Personally, that's something I can't fucking stand. Ok, so getting back to how this woman made her mark and got to the point of having this show, she made a somewhat watchable film that perfectly fits the twee, indie, snarky, white, upper class, self-absorbed lifestyle AND she came from a rich family. Major film festivals have become hangouts for these people. Saying that I'm just someone who has been rejected by festivals and complaining doesn't work in this situation as I AM connected and work in the industry, and I STILL see that this is exactly what happens. A lot of people I work with inexplicably get the biggest pieces of navel-gazing shit into big festivals and I find it baffling, until I hear that they know so-and-so or this exec made a phone call or what have you. The festivals are as corrupt as a third world country. I also know festival programmers and this is exactly how most films get programmed and meanwhile the other 2,000 entries get their check cashed and their DVD tossed into the trash... as one blogger put it, you're paying for the buffet at the opening night festivities. Without getting into too much detail, I was visiting a friend's post facility a few years back when I was told about them doing the mixing and other finishing work on the new would-be hit at Sundance that year... directed by the son of an extremely famous artist. That was when I realized the writing was on the wall and that only the rich and well connected could get in anymore, although at least that film was horror ;) I respectfully disagree that it has anything to do with youth. Hunger Games is the highest grossing movie for the third straight week in a row and I and everyone I know have zero problems with that, but most people I'm friends with cannot stand stuff like this fucking show. You nailed the real reason in the last few lines of your post... while I'm not part of that crowd, I am AMONG them on a daily basis and I see fewer and fewer people who have gotten in on any kind of merit or hard work like I had to and more and more who are friends of friends or just family members of people in charge who are suddenly showing up to work. It's the feeling that this was handed to her or she got special treatment because of her background while others are stuck on the outside looking in... the creeping suspicion that it's not really based on merit, which it never fully was to begin with, but at least once you got in you had to PRODUCE something that finds an audience and now you don't even have to do that anymore! It just feels like 'getting in' is more impossible than ever if you're too far outside no matter how talented you are and that's sad. I've said it before and I'll say it until they can no longer get sponsors, but a HUGE reason for this is the major film festivals are now the worst kind of nepotistic, cognitively dissonant 'creative' (gag) circle jerks ever witnessed. I'm serious, you could have Paul Thomas Anderson ghost-direct a small film for $50k and have it look like a P.T. Anderson movie and submit it under the name of some kid in Arkansas with no connections and I GUARANTEE YOU that film will not make it into a film festival like Sundance. As I said in the Saturday Shorts column, youtube and stuff like that column are great equalizers in terms of outing talent and I hope it crosses over into FILMMAKER run festivals very soon if it hasn't already. It's already making festivals irrelevant when you've got people like FreddieW creating a HUGE audience for himself, to the point where he can raise hundreds of thousands of dollars in a matter of days to shoot his own projects.

  • April 16, 2012, 3:42 a.m. CST


    by Andy_Dufresne

    I really wanted to like this show.....but I can't imagine ANYONE not living in NYC will find anything to relate to in the series. I found it mildly amusing but just completely can't relate to privileged white jewish 20 something hipsters complaining about how hard their lives are. Seriously, it's just not entertaining and completely unrelatable. I love lots of foreign TV and films and can relate to lots of different culturally different ideas....but not this horseshit.

  • Wow. Well that tells me almost everything I need to know about the level of criticism here. Won't judge this till I's seen it

  • Won't go down for the majority of the brain-washed fast-food generation who think everyone on TV should look pretty or beautiful but thank god for HBO for giving it a chance in this current climate of reality TV zombies.

  • We're supposed to be sympathetic towards this character? Really?

  • April 16, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    There is a small amount of creativity that went into this show

    by Acid_Frio

    The story is horrible and lacks any plot. The characters are unlikable. Who needs to watch a show about a college grad from wealthy parents who still needs them to take care of her? TINY FURNITURE was bad enough. About a show with REAL problems, where the characters speak to each other instead of whining. A show that has creativity and an actual story that goes somewhere. I found this show lacking any depth and interest and hardly believe it's on HBO.

  • April 16, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Some misunderstanding going on here I think

    by nostairway

    I wasn't crazy about the first episode but I think I understand what they're doing here better than some people on this thread. The titular "girls" are the female equivalent of the 20 something "bros" that society seems to constantly be hating on because they (allegedly) live in their parent's basement playing video games and watching porn. The producers and writers aren't trying to glorify these narcisistic, self-absorbed spoiled rich girls. They're sending them up the same way that Eastbound and Down sends up washed up middle-aged athletes. It's pretty obvious these girls are going to be humiliated and fall flat on their asses as the season goes on. That's what the show is about:Hipsters who have to start living in the real world without handouts from daddy.

  • April 16, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Gee, Herc liked this tripe? Who'da thunk it?

    by Joe Plumber

    Oh, it's Apatow produced? Got it!

  • April 16, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST

    There are no misunderstandings.

    by Pvt. Duke

    The issues people are having go way beyond just the plot of the show. If Lena Dunham was the daughter of an insurance agent from Ohio, her writing wouldn't even get her past the query stage... and that's assuming this "prodigy" even knows what a query letter is. There is no sense that the young writers in Hollywood - the Rogens, the Vanderbilts, the Polleys, the Dunhams - have actually "risen to the top" so much as they a) were actors first, or b) are the privileged runts of connected huppers. As far as a) goes... what can you do. Seth Rogen and Jonah Hill are not the Hallam and Wordsworth of dick jokes. Together they couldn't outwit a B-minus English major, but Apatow hooked them up. He's their enabler. Same reason ScarJo can put on her silly director's cap, same reason Wentworth Miller started getting looks as a writer. You can't do anything about actors getting hookups. If Sarah Polley pitched "Take This Waltz" to an agent, he'd shoot her ass down in the time it takes him to leer at his assistant. But she's an actor, so she gets to be "quirky" and interesting. But b) is even more offensive. There are so many writers out there who will write until death regardless of whether they're ever paid, and they can't get any reply other than "no unsolicited submissions." Nepotism destroys creativity, and it's just soul-crushing when some boring rich-girl lets out a big sigh on her twenty-second birthday and says, "I'm ready," and one script later we're expected to accept her as a "seer of things" while ignoring the entire reason she got there. Tiny Furniture, Girls... it's just feather-lite twee bullshit. It's not powerful, it's not interesting. It's not literature, it's a rich chick with a glorified hobby. And it speaks to much larger problems than just the plot of the show.

  • April 16, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Looks like Lena Dunham ate all that Tiny Furniture

    by Joe Plumber

  • April 16, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST

    franky5fingers: Well put.

    by Royston Lodge

    Also, watch this interview with the Girls cast for Vogue and try not to cringe at the self-importance of these 24-year-olds:

  • April 16, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST

    They remind me of the girls from The Last Days of Disco.

    by Royston Lodge

  • April 16, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    I didn't really care for it..

    by Rob

    it insists upon itself....

  • April 16, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST

    So, Lena Dunham is daughter of Jeff Dunham with puppets

    by Joe Plumber

    and Laurie Simmons who play with dolls? Wonder why she so screwed up.

  • April 16, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST

    No, her father is painter Carroll Dunham.

    by Royston Lodge

  • I particularly like the one of the guy pointing a gun at his own asshole.

  • April 16, 2012, 2:27 p.m. CST

    royston lodge

    by torontoxic

    Good Christ. Good Christ. Mamet's kid is bragging about skipping out on college to go work? The fat thing that stars went to LA, got the show, came back to NYC? The one who looks so bored she might be high is a painter or something and had to be convinced to be on the show? Fuck this shit so hard in it's asshole. <P> If a bus had interrupted that clip by crashing through the window behind them and crushing those disgusting hogs I'd have stood up so fast to cheer my laptop would most certainly have fallen and broke. <P> Whatever generation that ugly triple chinned hog beast is the voice of needs to be silenced. Though I don't know if spoiled, hippy, thieving nepotist prick is a generation.

  • April 16, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Ok, I don't get why there's any need to insult the girl's appearance.

    by Royston Lodge

    Make fun of the self-important preening, sure ...

  • April 16, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    HBO is smart airing this directly after Game of Thrones to kill boners

    by Joe Plumber

  • April 16, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    As a writer who had no connections...

    by Melanie Griffiths Sour Patch

    ...I can tell you that it is hard to get a foot in the door. I didn't sell my first spec until I turned 32. Before that I had gotten enough meetings and met people in the business off my writing samples and short films that everyone who knew me thought I'd be a huge writer/director by 27 the latest, but it didn't happen on my timetable. What finally got me in the door was writing a script that couldn't be denied and caused a bidding war. It took a long time. A lot of Friday & Saturday nights staying home writing. A lot of "should I quit?" conversations with myself. Lena Dunham didn't go through any of that. She's been treated like a prodigy. She's been accepted like not many I've ever seen in town. Upon Apatow tapping her on the shoulder I witnessed Mindy Kaling embarassing herself trying to make quick bff's with Dunham. It's weird to me see how people in town are falling over themselves to claim they "get" her. This isn't Diablo Cody. Diablo can write. She can do stuff that a mass audience can enjoy. Lena Dunham is literally one of the most unexplainable phenomenon's I've ever seen. A bunch of years ago people were telling me about "The Foot Fist Way" and how I had to see it. It had so much buzz I went into it not wanting to like it and instead fell in love with Danny McBride & Jody Hill and what they could do. When everyone I met in any meeting in LA was buzzing about Tiny Furniture I sought it out. I figured this has to be amazing. It wasn't. It was lazy entitled mumblecore. Still, I sat down and watched Girls last night figuring Judd was going to bring something mainstream out from this girl, but it just didn't happen. It was flat, sloppy, saggy and flaccid. There wasn't one character to root for. But here's the thing, no matter what the ratings and responses from real people are I can guarantee you HBO will pick this up for another season. I also guarantee you that Dunham will get blind script/film deals all over town. People in the business are stumbling over themselves to be working with her and I sit there thinking of other female indie voices out there who can't even get their shit read while this one will get to slap whatever crosses her mind on the screen for a long time. She's the female Kevin Smith, except Smith has the ability to entertain an audience. Dunham's just entertaining herself.

  • I never thought of Kevin Smith as insufferably self-important. This is a guy who worked in a fucking convenience store in Jersey during the day and shot his movie at night, all funded with maxed-out credit cards. Comparing him to Lena Dunham is almost insulting. Her characters; the rich, whiny New York City brats; would be villains in a Kevin Smith movie. Actually, her characters DO remind me of Alyssa Jones from Chasing Amy. That's not a compliment.

  • April 16, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST

    The emperor has no clothes

    by Joe Plumber

    and honestly does not have the body for nudity and should keep them on.

  • April 16, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST


    by Royston Lodge

  • April 16, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST

    I'd have respect for this show if ...

    by Royston Lodge

    ... ALL the girls looked "normal", instead of just Dunham's character. ... the girls worked at Starbucks, or some other shitty McJobs. Two Broke Girls looks more fuckin' authentic than this.

  • April 16, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST

    re: Kevin Smith

    by Melanie Griffiths Sour Patch

    The comparison I'm making to Smith is the work is lazy and thrown up there stream of consciousness style and she's doing it all. The other comparison is Smith's fanboys will swear up and down they get him and he's their ruler but the majority of the world can't sit through his work. With Dunham, it's the Hollywood elite and their press partners that are telling us she's the one but I don't think audiences are responding to being told to love her. I "liked" Aimee Mann the songwriter on Facebook and her husband writes the music for Girls and she posted on Facebook this morning urging her fanbase to get behind Girls because Dunham is the female Woody Allen and she's not all hype. It reminds me of the fervor shown Smith whose work I don't love. When I encounter one of his core fans they literally want to slap you to death for not getting him. That said, I do enjoy his public speaking things they show on Epix a ton. The guy is a fantastic speaker/character in that realm. Girls is here to stay and so is Dunham. When I tell you I've gone into meetings with producers and studio execs who have lists up on the wall and her name is on the top of it I'm not lying. For frame of reference, several years ago I would take meetings and every list had David Gordon Green on it before I knew who he was. There's a tastemaking machine in LA that tells us who we're going to like. It's rare that the real voices can break through it.

  • April 16, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Hipsters in NYC

    by ForgetTheMoney

    Being a native new yorker, still living in Brooklyn, I can tell you the majority (90%) of hipsters are in their early twenties, come here after college and have their rent and bills paid by the daddies. so, these hipsters in this show with well connected parents ARE a good reflection of what hipsters in NY really are.

  • April 16, 2012, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Hipsters in NYC II

    by ForgetTheMoney

    hipsters in NYC also don't originate from the 5 boroughs, rarely, ever.....hipsters give native new yorkers a bad rep

  • I lack the interest to seek out a complete version anyways That one girl was pretty hot, I didn't hate this as much as everyone else seems to, but it does feel highly unnessary. I also sort of feel like I've seen the entire series just from the trailer.

  • April 16, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST

    According to that Vogue interview, it IS a 30 minute show.

    by Royston Lodge

  • April 16, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    I'm not putting this show on any pedastal, but...

    by Jarrete Barnett

    this show wasn't quite as bad as I anticipated. Are these selfish, overly-entitled, spoiled urban hipsters of the female variety... Absolutely, yes. So given its content, the development of the show and its characters does run the risk of predictably becoming as idle as its supposed to be satire of idle relationships with their characters and the opposite sex. The aggravating part comes from the fact that this is yet another show depicting youth as hopeless with a lack of self-distinction or direction in the world. Plainly speaking, I'm still on the fence about it, but I'll give it one more episode to "progress" and get better.

  • April 16, 2012, 6:59 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    then why the heck to did my PVR cut out mid sentence. The timer showed it was at 30min Is the scene where she passes out in her parents bedroom and they're all arguing how the show ends????

  • April 16, 2012, 9:38 p.m. CST

    1500$ a month!!! Lolz...

    by Norman Colson

    I'm a native new yorker lived here all my life... And yes manhatten is expensive, if your a hipster and want to live in a box which cost more than my car note go right ahead. If you want to live in the outer boroughs you can find a decent place and Commute into the city for work... And yes jobs are hard to find but you can get them if you look hard enough... 1500a month in Queens or Brooklyn will have you living like a king!!! These chicks on this show is not realistic... none at all...

  • April 17, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST

    At least when Kevin Smith made "Clerks," he actually WAS a clerk.

    by MrEkoLetMeLive

    My beef is that HBO is hyping this show as SO REAL, but it stars an Oberlin grad, David Mamet's daughter, and the daughter of a huge news anchor. So I have to wonder how many 20-something hipster girls in Brooklyn can relate to that kind of upbringing. Like Lena Dunham and her style or hate it, whatever. It's all subjective. Just don't hock me about how real it is if it ain't.

  • April 17, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Re: Frank 5 Fingers, Melanie Sour Patch, and forgetthemoney

    by SK229

    Re: Franky 5 Fingers - Awesome post, you said it better than I could have. Nepotism is destroying a lot more industries than just Hollywood too. There's a book that a friend of mine who is in commodities recommended, can't remember the name, but it's recent and it places much of the blame for the financial collapse on nepotism in the business world, but especially in the investment banking/trading world where sons/grandsons of people who came up from nothing many years ago and had an automatic 'in' to the good ole boys network became the defacto regime at places like Goldman Sachs and thus are so disconnected from the reality of money and the effect of having none that they don't even realize what havoc they wreaked on the lives of everyday people... nor do they care much or have much remorse. I know some of them, they complain that their bonuses got smaller ever since (!). It explains why they made such obviously idiotic mistakes. Then they get a golden parachute from the government and zero oversight... no lesson learned there! Re: forgetthemoney - Yes, they're NEVER NY born and bred unless they hail from super rich families and want to do the rich version of slumming it. The rest of them are from the midwest, but will try to ACT like they know the city so much better than everyone else and it's like a game of oneupsmanship when it comes to which restaurants/bars to go to, whats the fastest way to get somewhere, where the best band is playing... when really, who gives a fuck? Re: Melanie Sour Patch - first of all, WOW. That's fucking unbelievable that she has that much traction in Hollywood. Also, quickly, I want to applaud you for doing what I said people need to do in the Saturday Shorts column if you want to get into the business - MAKE SOMETHING UNDENIABLY GOOD. Something that can't be ignored. Sounds like you've done that, so kudos to you and your hard work. As far as Dunham... and here I thought this indie tripe was lauded at Sundance but given nary a whisper in Hollywood because it's all understood that the most important thing is $$$ and this shit NEVER makes money. Like EVER. Not only that, but critics usually see right through it too once it starts getting a wider audience than just the indie world. So while this thread is still open and if you even revisit it, why do you think that is? Like what's really going on here? What are the Hollywood psychological underpinnings to this forced 'phenom'? Is it so they can pat themselves on the back, is it massive insecurity and wanting SOME artistic credibility so they make her the poster child for following your muse (because it's a lot easier than seeking out and getting behind and staking your reputation on an unproven talent with zero connections)? SURELY when the shit doesn't make money she's gonna get the boot, no? Woody Allen's movies consistently give an ROI, but will this shit? I highly doubt it. And I can get behind your movies making $$$=more opportunities. It's the only thing that makes sense in Hollywood and at least gives you a compass. That's why the indie world is a fucking joke... NOTHING makes sense in that world and absolute shit is lauded while good stuff winds up in a trash bin. How disheartening to find out that kind of cognitive dissonance is now crossing over into the studio bloodstream. That kind of shit goes on in television all the time, people moving up the rank and file on snake oil and broken promises because everyone else is so insecure, but so much money rides on movies and it's so much easier to figure out where to place the blame for a failure (indeed, it's sport), that I never thought it'd happen to such a degree in the feature film world.

  • April 17, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Clearly, somebody thinks she can turn a profit.

    by Royston Lodge

    Maybe it's cuz her parents managed to made profits from their shitty art? She had a web series on, a porn/sex site. Maybe she's a nympho?

  • April 17, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Lena Dunham is the new Miranda July

    by Joe Plumber

    5 years ago, Miranda July was the Next Big Indie Thing. And now where is she. I actually, liked both July's films and would definitely have checked out a tv series she was in. But I have little interest in Dunham. That said I will take a look at Tiny Furniture on Netflix out of curiosity.

  • April 17, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST


    by Melanie Griffiths Sour Patch

    I was having this conversation with someone else I respect in the business about how I couldn't understand in all of this that Judd would fall for this chick. He then told me the story that Judd's family owned a comedy club on Long Island and that as a young guy Judd would meet guys like Shandling and all the comics passing through the circuit and that the connections he made through the family business helped get his foot in the door. Still, I never looked at Judd as some case of nepotism, but I'm stunned he sparked to this girl's writing. I've met with his managers in the past, they even offered to sign me (it's a huge company), and they've always said that they wanted to get myself together with Judd because they think we'd click but it didn't happen. Part of their reasoning was they felt we both had that east coast middle class background that spoke to a mass audience. I just don't get why Dunham appealed to him. I've heard people claim it's the fact that she's Jewish, but I know tons of Jewish girls and guys in LA who can't get their scripts read by anyone. There's a lot more to this story. Execs in LA want to be the one who found the one desperately. They want to be so ahead of the curve that they can claim someone's success was because they had an eye for it. I think that's what is going on here. It's just amazing the speed it's moved for Dunham. She passed "go", collected $200 and has a mansion on Park Place before most people get a chance to roll the dice. If there was incredible talent, I'd give her props. But I don't see the wit, the insight, the perspective, that tells me she's a storyteller to be reckoned with. It all just seems very indie mumblecore. It's similar to the Duplass Brothers, who are similar darlings in town. I couldn't get through Humpday. Cyrus was watchable because of the actors. I didn't see Jeff Who Lives At Home yet but I'll check it out. Those guys are also everyone's "it" boys, yet I don't see them ever entertaining a wide audience. I'm really surprised Judd is on this. Something just doesn't feel right about it. It's honestly tough to explain. The one thing I will see is there are a lot of development "girls" who have moved up the ranks in Hollywood. It's actually tough, as a male writer, to get them to be your fans. Maybe, they were so starved for a female indie comedy Woody Allen that they think they can create one and push one down our throats. That said, I'm way more impressed with the writing Wiig and Mumolo showed in Bridesmaids than anything Dunham has deposited on the screen thus far. Dunham's a mystery to me, but the machine is far too invested in her right now to slow down. Expect the show to be renewed within the next week to 10 days for a second season regardless of what the ratings and general reactions are. There are too many people in LA who have the need to be right about her.

  • April 17, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST

    You know, there's ONE aspect for which I'll give this show credit.

    by Royston Lodge

    At least the 24-year-old girls are played by actual 24-year-old girls. It's not like Friends, where 30-year-olds were playing 24-year-olds. Also, at least they don't live in gigantic Manhattan apartments.

  • April 17, 2012, 4:51 p.m. CST

    If you want a realistic show about a neurotic 20-something hipster ...

    by Royston Lodge

    ... may I suggest you find a download of "Michael: Tuesdays & Thursdays".

  • April 17, 2012, 8:59 p.m. CST

    I like everything HBO has done for the last 8 years

    by Itchy

    and I hated this more than any other show I've ever seen on the network. If I asked my folks for $1100 for 2 years to help me live while I worked an unpaid internship, he'd have kicked me so hard in the nutsack I'd still be puking 10 years later. The only moderately interesting thing about the show was how instantly and totally I loathed it.

  • April 18, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    this show will appeal to sockheads and riot girls

    by mojoman69

    but not much else. pretentious and kinda obnoxious