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Here's The Synopsis For QT's DJANGO UNCHAINED!
Nordling here.
I haven't read the script for DJANGO UNCHAINED, nor will I - although I know many of you have. I've learned long ago that although there's certainly joys to be had in reading a Quentin Tarantino script, I crave the entire experience when I sit down to one of his movies. I didn't read INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS, and when that ending came across the screen I was so happy I hadn't. I certainly never anticipated it, and that was one of the many aspects that made that movie such an awesome theatrical experience for me.
Although I won't read the script, I certainly wanted to know what the main thrust of DJANGO UNCHAINED was all about, and today the official synopsis of the movie has been released. Those especially sensitive to spoilers can probably steer clear, although this seems to be a basic plot breakdown without diving into anything specific. Here's the plot:
Set in the South two years before the Civil War, DJANGO UNCHAINED stars Academy Award®-winner Jamie Foxx as Django, a slave whose brutal history with his former owners lands him face-to-face with German-born bounty hunter Dr. King Schultz (Academy Award®-winner Christoph Waltz). Schultz is on the trail of the murderous Brittle brothers, and only Django can lead him to his bounty. The unorthodox Schultz acquires Django with a promise to free him upon the capture of the Brittles - dead or alive.
Success leads Schultz to free Django, though the two men choose not to go their separate ways. Instead, Schultz seeks out the South's most wanted criminals with Django by his side. Honing vital hunting skills, Django remains focused on one goal: finding and rescuing Broomhilda (Kerry Washington), the wife he lost to the slave trade long ago.
Django andSchultz's search ultimately leads them to Calvin Candie (Academy Award®-nominee Leonardo DiCaprio), the proprietor of "Candyland," an infamous plantation where slaves are groomed by trainer Ace Woody (Kurt Russell) to battle each other for sport. Exploring the compound under false pretenses, Django and Schultz arouse the suspicion of Stephen (Academy Award®-nominee Samuel L. Jackson), Candie's trusted house slave. Their moves are marked, and a treacherous organization closes in on them. If Django and Schultz are to escape with Broomhilda, they must choose between independence and solidarity, between sacrifice and survival...
Written and directed by Academy Award®-winner Quentin Tarantino, DJANGO UNCHAINED is produced by Stacey Sher, Reginald Hudlin and Pilar Savone. The executive producers are Harvey and Bob Weinstein, Michael Shamberg, Shannon McIntosh, and James Skotchdopole. DJANGO UNCHAINED will be released in the U.S. on December 25, 2012, and internationally by Sony Pictures.
Samuel Jackson's character sounds fascinating, and I'd bet will garner him a nomination. I love Waltz as a bounty hunter and I bet Foxx takes Django and creates something amazing out of it. DiCaprio as a villain... still haven't settled in with that concept yet but I'll bet he'll surprise all of us. A great cast, and can't wait to see this in December.
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Sounds like torture porn fantasy to me... and a big must miss.
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April 13, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST
Django, you drag your coffin around, you drag your coffin around, all around town. Just like a dead man does.
by DarthBlart
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You were all just hoping to Christ everyone forgot about Man in the Iron Mask, aren't ya? Love the plot outline for this, although I never feel quite right seeing Kurt Russell as a bad guy.
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Both Death Proof and Inglorious Basterds were hit-and-miss for me, but I have a good feeling about this one. Most of the actors (all good ones) are familiar with QT and his direction.
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Laughed my ass off reading it till about 3 AM. However, as great as it is I feel its ending is not strong enough to merit any awards. Just saying. But I am looking forward to seeing this after reading it first.
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Corrected. I typed that between sandwich bites at lunch.
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April 13, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST
I'm on the Death Proof was better than Planet Terror train.
by iamnicksaicnsn
But they were both awesome, in their own way. The thrust of what was good about PT was the action for me, while with DP, the chase was amazing coupled with fun dialogue that made sense for the Grindhouse homage.
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no one (not noone) who writes for this site possesses a vocabulary that ventures too far from "awesome," "suck," and "my eyeballs were fucked"
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April 13, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST
And I also loved Inglorious Basterds, SO I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS GODDAMNED FILM
by iamnicksaicnsn
It will be glorious.
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Quentin is a gift to movies, so this should be at least pretty good, if not great Waltz is truly fantastic. Jamie Foxx, on the other hand, is one of the most overrated over-actors in the business. He's pretty terrible, so I will probably always wonder how great this otherwise-brilliant movie could have been, given that I will be distracted by his constant failure to play a realistic person/character. Kerry Washington=Yes.
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not that anyone gives a fuck
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Um, fuck yes!
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as long as QT doesnt fuck up with his usual, unnecessary b-movie homages.this was the thing that prevented Basterds from being a masterpiece.
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April 13, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST
Excellent! This is Brisco County Jr meets Pulp Fiction
by Anthony Torchia
I cannot effing wait Still, the tavern scene in Basterds was so intense I left the room and just listened to the second half of it. Damn California grass .... I will see Django sober, thank you.
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getting anal gang-raped in the movie.
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And I like Costner, but Russell is the shit.
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April 13, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST
Don't you guys hit the refresh button before you jump to typing FIRST?!?!
by Tank Williams
Anyhoo, I'm with ya Nord. Refuse to read the script..
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-don't blow it QT, win me back damnit.
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I relish what you did there.
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April 13, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST
Kerry Washington is going to get the Marcellus Wallace treatment?
by Robert Evans
Talk about Fudgepack Friday!
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Broomhilda, Candy and "candyland"? His best boooaayy slave "Stephen"? Ace Woody?!? King Shultz?!? Namewise this is sounding like the Star Wars Prequels all over again. At least in their case it WAS about a fictional universe regarding aliens. Does any homo-sapien on the earth have names like that (and survive high school)?
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April 13, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST
Remember when the big argument was that THE EXPENDABLES would blow away INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS?
by Robert Evans
Haha, that shit was funny.
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April 13, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST
I'm truly look forward to this, but why do I feel like it won't get the same love as Inglorious
by Wcwlkr
I thought Inglorious Basterds was ok, I didn't hate it but I definitely didn't love it. Everytime I watched I kept feeling like I was missing something. This I'm extremely excited to see, that fact that this is a western, and not just the run of the mill western. But a western about a freed slave's revenge! But because of that grand difference in plot why do I just feel like this won't get the same love.
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April 13, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST
Speaking of Fudgepack Friday, this is apparently a real fucking thing! (Don't worry; SFW)
by Robert Evans
Maybe this is what Magic Johnson has been drinking all this time! http://i.imgur.com/AsSKb.jpg?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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Obviously the posts don't appear the instant they are posted. Nobody wants to be the retard who says "first" in the third post. :-/
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April 13, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST
After reading the script, Tarantino used a very slick tactic.
by ganymede3010
Since this movie is ripe with racial insults, to avoid controversy, Tarantino allows the black character (Stephen/SMJ) to say most vile things that could be said about black people, on the other hand, Calvin Candie (Leo) says the most vile things about white people. However you should of put a spoiler warning on the fact that Stephen figures out that Django and Schultz were at candyland to rescue his wife. Way to go.
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April 13, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST
If Tarantino talks Washington into doing any type of nudity....
by Terrence
To dust off that old chestnut, "shut up and take my money!"
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April 13, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST
Goofy names = self conscious irony = hipster douchebag guffawing loudly at an arthouse theater
by BurnHollywood
...And since most critics are hipster douchebags these days, expect a lot of raves over the same-old, same-old.
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Sounds like someone needs a hug and a warm glass of milk.
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I guess the part of the article where he did give a spoiler warning slipped your mind? Way to go.
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Sounds like somebody's sucking up to Nordling.
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April 13, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST
ran76, reading this shit on a small ass smart phone makes it easy to miss.
by ganymede3010
Still, that's a major turn in the story that didn't need to be revealed. Apparently you concur. Way to go.
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It's Fudgepack Friday, Choplings! You know, sometimes I wish you'd just shut the fuck up, man. Maybe you like packing fudge on Friday, Choppah.
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My guess would be QT himself, with a cadre of behind-the-scenes names pitching in that won't be revealed for some time.
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Sorry, can't count that. You didn't answer the question.
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Do you want a cookie, too?
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It's Fudgepack Friday, Choppah! Choplings! Do you like getting buttfucked on Friday, Choppah? Yes or no? Hehehe! Jagoff.
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April 13, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST
Love QT... Might actually pay money and watch this in the theater?!
by Mrhazard
Imagine that?!
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I love me some Quentin Tarantino. I own all his movies (still waiting for The Whole Bloody Affair god fucking DAMNIT!). But I gotta say....that synopsis doesn't really get me interested. This might be the first time I don't see a Tarantino film in the theater. And that's kinda fucked up.
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Who do you want to butt fuck today?
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April 13, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST
Love the plot structure. Reminds me of mission movies of yore
by Erik Radvon
Something about the structure reminds me very much of those great 60s/70s buddy movies where one misadventure leads to an even darker, more dangerous one. I get a Dirty Dozen + Butch Cassidy vibe from this. Looking forward to it. Hoping the n-word dropping is kept to a minimal.
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I think I'm well in the minority for loving scenes of IB but finding the whole a bit of a mess, but that's more or less where the cards fell after my first viewing. As a result I've had lukewarm anticipation of this project, but that plot sounds excellent and I love the casting choices. Still, I can't help but fear QT with a plantation will result in him getting lost in blaxsploitation and women in prison 'nods' (The Big Brid Cage meets 10,000 Maniacs!... oh god no.) Then again, IG was surprisingly light on the Kill Bill-ification. Here's hoping!
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But I'm a sucker for simple alliteration.
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Fudgepack Friday! Fudgepack Friday! Does Rhianna take it up the ass, Choplings? Fudgepack Friday. You'd suck a turd out of Harry's awful ass, you fuck.
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kill bill vol 2 and grindhouse soured me on qt i had some lllooooowwwww ass expectations for basterds and boy did that movie kick my ass (in a good way) a near masterpiece that one django didn't seem like much to me when i first heard of it---but after that fantastic synopsis and the cast...I. AM. THERE.
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April 13, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST
And then everyone stands still for a 10 minute monologue on
by blue_dog
What?
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April 13, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST
I'd like to thank aremisslake for spreading the word about Fudgepack Friday.
by Robert Evans
It's catching on, folks.
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Can someone tell me why they like this guy's movies? Please? And don't say how "cool" they are, they all seem, at the end, like high-end Zucker comedies. Only in rare instances can this writer not remind the audience that they are watching a movie, that the experience is completely self-aware. This is a problem I've noticed with Kevin Smith and, to some extent, Joss Whedon, but the latter seems to have evolved away from that stuff. T.'.
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What separates QT from those other guys is that he actually has an eye for visuals. And not just ones that are *cool,* either. The man knows how to use a camera to tell a story, and he's very detail-oriented. His style is idiosyncratic and self-aware, so I can understand someone not liking him. Most of the time that kind of shit grates on me, to be honest, but QT does it right. He's not doing it just to be smug. He actually has the skill to match his passion and cleverness.
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April 13, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST
THE GOOD, THE BAD & THE UGLY (the unlikely comrades) meets SPARTACUS....!!!!
by DC Films
Sounds Bloody great.
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The Candyland crap. That is the most cliched crap. He must have been tired the 2 minutes it probably took to come up with that idea.
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April 13, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST
How many times do you think the word 'nigger' will be used?
by kidicarus
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April 13, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST
Foxx is the one bad thing, and there will be nothing suprising about Dicaprio nailing it, again.
by double_l88
The should have got somebody better for the lead. Leonardo will win an oscar for this.
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BrushDotty. I like QT although I had a hard time getting through Deathproof. The more films he makes, that bit of indie grunge seems to die. His movies are getting more and more polished. I hope this one mixes it up a bit.
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It'll prolly be on the level of Basterds, lots of fun stuff in there. Hopefully QT will hold back on stupid shit like the *Hugo Stiglitz* font.
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For anyone thinking "hopefully QT doesn't fuck this up with his homages" -- when has he ever made a movie where there weren't homages? Every film he has ever done have been about homages. It's just that starting with Kill Bill he's had his head up his ass and does nothing but homage films. His recent films have made QT's comment about David Lynch rather ironic.
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April 13, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST
Read the script as well. Still can't see Russell and Dicaprio saying some of those lines.
by GQTaste26
It's down right brutal throughout the piece. This is not the opportune time for QT to bring this to the masses. The racial components are hard core and can't see bringing blacks and whites together. I wouldn't see this one in the theaters, that's for sure. And it certainly had some moments ala, Kill Bill and IB w/ Hugo, where you see them seething w/ anger wanting revenge. It will have the too long conversations and plenty of too cool for school moments. Saying all that, it was funny as hell just the same. Sam has a great part, as does the German.
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April 13, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST
I can see DiCaprio as a villian. I can see Waltz as a good guy. But Foxx as a main in a QT movie? I hope to be proven wrong.
by CodeName
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Great in Mann's ALI and COLLATERAL, great in Stone's ANY GIVEN SUNDAY, just to name some. He's got swagger and presence to spare, and he can play angry and tough. Nothing to get bent out of shape about.
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Not Reading This Shit.
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April 13, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST
I liked it better when Django was a civil war gatling gun in a casket.
by the Green Gargantua
Instead it's Jamie Fox, interest LOST.
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Tarantino's skill as a director is way above most but my gut reaction to this film synopsis is that it's gonna unintentionally offend and scandalize more than it will entertain. Controversy USE to be commercial but now it tends to make a film collapse and lose money under the bad publicity. American History X was brilliant as was Watchmen but they both got swept under the "controversy carpet". Its JUST A GUESS but I think this film will hurt the careers of all involved and I see why Will $mith walked away from the project.
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And with the Treyvon Martins case no doubt still lingering in the minds of many come Xmas, this film is the equivalent of "O" being released in the same year as the Columbine shootings. In saying that I love a movie that takes risks but something tells me this movie will be successful overseas but NOT in America where "race" and "historical treatment of non-whites" are some of the....touchier....subjects
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The movie has a chance, if Django doesn't have a decent love scene with his own wife. In that way, the sex all goes to the white guys, and audiences will be torn between fear and lust in a way they can't fully integrate consciously. He won't have a consummated love scene for some reason that will make perfect sense to white viewers, but is a predictable part of a pattern. Should be fun to read the reviews.
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Foxx was quite good on those films, and not too bad in Ray either.
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I'll hold my reservation on Foxx. I hope this movie rivals Pulp Fiction.
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April 13, 2012, 6:05 p.m. CST
The wife gets put through pure hell. That alone will infuriate certain folk. Not to mention the other slaves throughout the piece. Some of them it's atrocious what they end up with....
by GQTaste26
whoever ever said that about hurting careers could be right.
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April 13, 2012, 6:12 p.m. CST
Also with the Christmas release: I couldn't think of a worse time to send it out. I'm telling you it's awful timing w/ things heating up racially.
by GQTaste26
In one scene I remember about: Fox, German, Leo, Kurt ride up to a bunch of slaves on the way to their destination. Kurt and Leo just start shooting some of the "smaller" slaves or runts if you will, just for fun. They get a kick out of killing the ones who wouldn't be worth a damn in the fields. Really coldblooded stuff. And that's just one aspect of it.
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It's what they get coming out the other side. But there is no way to show slavery without stepping on toes--and the more accurate your depiction, the more some will be uncomfortable. Why do you think there are so many civil war movies, but so few films about the century's-old institution that made the war inevitable? In an odd way, one of the very best films was "Skin Game," and that was a very long time ago. "DJANGO" could be genius, or reeeealy bad.
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April 13, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST
Yeah, the screenplay has been online for over a year. But for those who haven't read it, sure.
by dasheight
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April 13, 2012, 6:21 p.m. CST
The script is fantastic. The scene with Waltz and Django in the town near the beginning is one of the best things he's ever written.
by dasheight
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especially under the guidance of qt. cannot wait for this film. im determined to not read the script
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I just couldn't stop.
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If they actually do what it said in there, then this will be a great, controversial movie.
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April 13, 2012, 8:29 p.m. CST
And this has exactly WHAT to do with the already established Character "Django"????
by movienutz
Why call him "Django" if he isn't the civil war guy who dragged around a coffin in the mud ???? With each movie, QT seems to fall in love with his own words more and more and more. Each soliloquy gets more and more pretentious. Every QT movie is now formulaic: Bare feet - check Trunk shot - check Multiple use of the N-word - check 30 pages of dialogue per scene - check Totally differen grindhouse movie genere - check. Personally, I felt his last good movie was Jackie Brown. "Kill Bill" was an insult by splitting it into two movies was an obvious cash grab.
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April 13, 2012, 9:10 p.m. CST
In what universe is the original Django an "established" character? In the obscure little world of video geeks?
by Wacky Packages
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April 13, 2012, 9:11 p.m. CST
Nordling: It would seem you haven't heard about DiCaprio's upcoming flick. He plays the Chicago World Fair serial killer.
by Wacky Packages
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In mine, Broomhilda gets raped by BIG JOHN BRITTLE, but it doesn't say anything about anal?
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*Space Niggers*
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If anyone could do it, well, it would be QT.
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April 13, 2012, 11:39 p.m. CST
aremisslake- too late. "GayNiggers from Outer Space." It's a real movie. A real SHORT movie, but a real one nonetheless.
by Aaron
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with the exception of PULP FICTION
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I have wondered about that myself since Sally died. I hope it doesn't effect the quailty of his work any. QT is one of my favorites if not the out right number one. I love all his movies. I hope this is the Christmas present I want.
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I'll be damned.
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And if you don't think he was a villain, never speak to me again. lol No seriously. He was a horrible man and a hypocrite. An example of how the seriously mentally ill can hold power through manipulation, deception and cruelty. He destroyed numerous lives, ended even more and scrutinized others for living the lives they wanted to while he himself hid his proclivities from the public eye. I find his existence to be further proof that there is no god simply because he lived a long life.
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Slavery is an issue that really isn't dealt with in cinema much, and Tarantino did a great job with IB in making a non-pretentious and "fun" film about some serious fucking things.
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Yeah. Definitely giving it a miss.
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I've been salivating to see a Tarantino-directed straight up Western for the longest time. But I just cannot stand Jamie Foxx. Nope. No. No way. I was willing to stomach Leo, but not Jamie "Wanda the massage therapist" Foxx.
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<p>...Will Smith would've been worse.<p> <p>This film needed a good black actor trying to make a name for himself.<p> <p>Then wow everyone with the performance.<p> <p> Let DiCaprio, Jackson, Waltz and Russell put butts in the theater.<p>
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April 14, 2012, 1:36 a.m. CST
Anthony Mackie, Idris Elba or Chiwetel Ejiofor would have been far better choices.
by GQTaste26
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April 14, 2012, 1:40 a.m. CST
Went and read the script again. Yeah, QT is a fucking sadist for sure. Who needs somebody to get it in his big head sometimes less is more.
by GQTaste26
The fuckign over use of back and forth lingo over and over again. He's just not gonna change. This film is supposed to be in 1800's. He's got them talking like it's an independent art film from the 90's.
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April 14, 2012, 1:43 a.m. CST
Why is it that we have to tip toe around the subject of Slavery?
by ganymede3010
We never tip toe around the Holocaust for example, infact we're inundated each and every year with a myriad of movies, tv shows, and specials highlighting the unimaginable suffering that took place. However, when it comes to depicting American society during the centuries of Slavery, no one wants to touch it. And we're doing this why? What purpose does it serve to ignore as if it never happened. How many movies, shows and tv specials do we have to see about WW2, a human tragedy where over 70 million people died, we never gloss over that. How do you think the Germans feel that they're depicted as the evil doers each and every year when a WW2 or Holocaust film comes into frution.
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...when I first heard about it, I'd hoped that Tarantino would take tongue out of cheek and just direct a good western. But now, jeez, the aformentioned cutesy names and the MANDINGO plot steal. I still have hopes though. Still, it would have to go quite far to top MANDINGO in the offensive category(just thinking about James Mason using a black childs stomach as a footstool as a way to cure his "rheumatism" still stuns me). And Nordling, just what sounds so fascinating about Sam Jackson's character? You say you haven't read the script and imply that this synopsis is the most information on the film you have, so what is so fascinationg about a half sentence description? Didn't tell me much at all, let alone a prediction for an oscar nomination.
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When I heard it was gonna be Will Smith I shat. Thank goodness Big Willie has no balls and passed on QTs nigger movie out of cowardice!
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April 14, 2012, 6:17 a.m. CST
I'm with Freebeer on this. Jackie Brown QT's best and most mature film, innovative but non reliant on the schlock shit he's stuck in. This sounded good until gladiators came into it. Boring. Same old same old.
by borisdoris
Tarantino. Please grow up.
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April 14, 2012, 6:28 a.m. CST
Ganymede you're right people tiptoe around slavery. I guess as it is just past one generation since it existeted that's why. But history never really gets told. The biggest slavers of Africans were Africans.
by borisdoris
Europeans took advantage of a long existing and still existing alave trade in Africa. It doesn't discount the crimes or european role in expanding numbers enslaved but societies guilty of their own wrong doings never really wants to acknowledge that they were not the Only ones. It's a guilt thing It's like an inability to criticise Israel as to do so would be to be labelled "anti-semitic". When such criticism is not really anything to do with being Jewish. You will not see a film in the mainstream critical of the aparthied that exists in Israel but you will see it when that apartheid exists in South Africa as the nasty guys are white europeans. This film may break a mould. QT may be taking an exepected risk. Some knives of the politically charged group who hate his use o language may have their chance. For me this film seema like it's going the "look at me I can do Corbucci" direction that QT's work has generally taken. Immature and indulgent. Then again it may be a masterpiece. We wont know till it's out in theatres.
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1) The Holocaust was not our sin. So it is easier for us to criticize it. 2) Slavery was mythologized by the South into a benign institution, with little responsibility taken for what happened to them before, during, or after. To genuinely deal with the horror destroys the "Gone With The Wind" myth, and exposes oceans of horrific pain. 3) Slavery was certainly conducted by Africans, but there was an enormous difference in the nature of the institution: the children of slaves were not automatically enslaved, slaves had many ways of marrying or earning their way into being full members of the tribe, and there was no myth of inferiority built around the institution. It was more like slavery within the Roman empire. Slavery in the Americas was almost uniquely ugly. 4) Slavery conflicts with the American self-image. 5) Slavery and Segregation, and the attitudes behind them are responsible for the difference in incarceration rates, life span, and inherited wealth. Bigots love for people to forget this, so that the possibility of black genetic inferiority can be floated carefully and softly behind Right-Wing political rhetoric. ## If "Django" has no uninterrupted love scene between the slave and his wife, the film will not cross 100 million (or if it does, would be the first). If the scene is interrupted (or there is no scene)...there is a chance it can succeed. Black male reproductive sex is the last cinematic taboo.
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Although for a guy who has been ripping off others; he has done well. Plus, he truly loves film. Did he write a part for himself?
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Sukiyaki western sucked though.
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April 14, 2012, 7:56 a.m. CST
Re: Choppah defending nordling - http://www.aintitcool.com/node/54835
by BurnHollywood
Ha, ha. Whatta fuckin' kissass. Guess the only thing that "chops" are his buttcheeks closing around his latest boyfriend's penis. Fudgepack Friday, indeed.
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April 14, 2012, 8:11 a.m. CST
Slavery and Segregation, and the attitudes behind them are responsible for...Eh, not so much.
by BurnHollywood
Knew from a previous job a lot of Southeast Asians displaced to the US as refugees, thanks to the Vietnam War. By the second generation, their kids were invariably fully assimilated, well-educated and striving to get ahead. This, despite the horrors some of their parents undoubtedly went through. The ugly reality is, when the prevailing zeitgeist swings towards overcompensation in the form of reparations, affirmative action, etc. the ultimate result is invariably dependence and societal degeneration. Sadly, it's the same thing with the American Indians. The past should be history, not a crutch.
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April 14, 2012, 8:39 a.m. CST
Every race on the planet was enslaved by another at one point, get over it...
by ZodNotGod
It's history, lets learn from it and be mature adults about it. I hope this is an actual story and not a talky-travelogue like Basterds. I think Basterds has some glorious momemts, but waayyyy tooo much endless rammering. It's sad that aside from the Bear Jew scene, things don't really pick up until the movie theater....More action, less talk. I'm most interested in how my man-crush Kurt Russell pulls this off. He's hardly ever played bad guys... Snake wasn't bad, just a bad ass.
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April 14, 2012, 8:40 a.m. CST
Serioulsy, I would love to see a television serialized drama on slavery...
by ZodNotGod
set in the Antebellum south. If only television had a producer writer with balls like Norman Lear.
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April 14, 2012, 8:42 a.m. CST
I hope they say "Nigger" plenty just to piss Spike Lee off...
by ZodNotGod
So he can get jealous and wonder why he can't make a decent movie to save his life.
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Is just asinine. You can't compare immigrants with slaves--that is classic logical mis-match. You can compare immigrants from one country with immigrants from another. And there, Africans do great. 300 years of slavery followed by another 80 or so of Jim Crow and segregation is another matter entirely. Immigrants bring their culture, names, religions, and came here voluntarily with a dream of freedom. Slaves had all of that stripped away, allowing them to be programmed as worker drones within a society whose dominant mythology was their inferiority--a status that only began to break down in the late 60's. Which leaves perhaps 50 years out of 400 to heal...and we're doing fabulously well. If you don't think so, just name the injury, ANY injury, that heals in less time than it took to inflict. Or to put it another way, if you met someone 40 years old, and for the first 30 years they'd been chained in their own shit, and the next 5 they'd been denied equal education opportunity and blamed for their problems, wouldn't you expect them, at 40, to still have issues? That's what happens when you compare group to group, within the American context. When Southerners stop having Civil War reinactments (looking for loopholes, probably) and flying battle flags, I'll believe it's reasonable to ask black people to "just get over it."
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A white racist is someone who thinks that, if positions were reversed, white people would be doing better, or complain less, than black people have. A black racist is one who believes that blacks would have treated white slaves better, or that the average black person would be any more honest and insightful about the consequences of slavery than whites have been.
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April 14, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST
Any of you fucking pricks move- and I'll execute every last mutherfuckering one of you!
by UltraTron
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I deliberately didn't pick a group of "immigrants" for my metaphor...Southeast Asians emigrants are more accurately described as "displaced". And they're "healing" perfectly well. African Americans have been equal, as ruthlessly spelled out in law by the most powerful entity on Earth, the United States government, for thirty years now. Absolutely wonderful development in human history, frankly. Seems to have resulted in, among other achievements, the POTUS-hood of an African American. If you're complaining about black folks' predicament at this stage of time, however, it's probably time to move on.
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Now somebody get me out of this fucking trunk.
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Where do you think the slaves came from? Slaves were typically people on the losing side of tribal wars that ended up getting sold into slavery by the winning side. What would have happened if they hadn't been? Death. Africa has a very, very long history of the losing side of tribal conflicts getting obliterated leading right up to the present day and Darfur. So while the whole tactic of slavery was quite repulsive and its great it went away, for the slaves themselves it was a faaar better option than the alternative a lot of them would have faced had they not gone.
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Because whatever is holding them back NOW, today in 2012 is their own problems. Despites it's problems, America still works for those seeking something better and bigger. Going to or back to college, owning your own business, whatever, is there for those that want it and work hard for it, not so much for the baby birds that sit on the side lines, whining, crying with their mouth opens pointing to others to feed them.
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You presume that I don't understand that, or that you've done more research on the subject than I. You have not. I actually wrote (and published, thank you) three fictional books that deal with the subject directly or indirectly, which called for several years of research. The chances that you can educate me on any relevant facts of the institution are pretty slim. ## The question of death as preferable to slavery is a valid one, but has nothing to do with whether it left lasting scars. And while slavery was an alternative to death, it was not the only alternative, and slavery in the New World was hideously different from slavery between African tribes, and European demand for slaves not only exacerbated wars but drove huge amounts of non-warfare based slave capture activity. Again, the fact of Africans collaborating in the slave trade is a reality, but has ZERO to do with whether the descendants of those slaves can reasonably point to history to explain current issues.
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April 14, 2012, 10:37 a.m. CST
I'll be seeing this but someday I hope tarantino tires of homage and genre mashups and remakes and does something completely original.
by dahveed1972
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You missed my point. I asked specifically: name a wound that heals in less time than it took to inflict. You mention Southeast Asians. they are immigrants, but "displaced" is their MOTIVATION for immigrating. Other reasons are opportunity, famine, genocide, etc. All involve moving someplace where they felt they would have better opportunity, while bringing language, culture, names and religions with them. So you've got nothing there except to compare them to African immigrants, where blacks come out just fine. ## Thirty years we've been free...as opposed to almost 400 years of slavery and segregation. And you think we should "get over it." Absurd. Again, name the wound that heals in less time than it took to inflict. Human beings remember things that happened thousands of years ago, and white Southerners are still pissed about (and dealing with economic issues related to) a 5-year event that happened 150 years ago (check the current economic status of Mississippi as opposed to pre-Civil war. They haven't recovered). So unless you think white people would have rebounded more rapidly, you've got nothing to say there, either.
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With due respect, could you please name a film you consider "completely original"? I have no idea what film that could possibly be.
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I think QT writes amazing dialogue. I mean it - amazing. While he would doubtless find it blasphemous, if he had the movie equivalent of an editor - someone to cut, trim, and rein in his baser impulses - he could make AMAZING movies. Think of the scene in BASTERDS when Walz is talking to the French farmer, who is hiding the Jewish family beneath the floorboards, or the later scene with Walz and the now adult escapee from that farm house sharing dessert while you sweat out if he knows who she is, or will discover it, think of MANY scenes from PULP FICTION or RESERVOIR DOGS, etc. Now imagine a whole movie written with that kind of care, skill and smarts. But left to his own devices, he can't resist torture-porn, horrific sadism, and the like. He just can't. And for me, the great parts of his movies - and they are great - aren't worth the sickening, sick, miserable, gleefully sadistic parts. Just saying. Now, add on to that the incendiary nature of this movie - the folks suggesting this will be up for a ton of Oscars are, IMHO, crazy. He will get a ton of publicity from the controversy, but do you really see this as being a major Oscar contender? For that matter, do you think there is a big time audience for this kind of material? So again...to each his own. But imagining QT combining race-hate flaring subject matter with his usual brand of sadism? I will most definitely PASS.
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The burden of 400 years is entirely in your head. You've been free, spectacularly so, for nearly 40 years now.
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Horseshit. Every community is built on the shoulders of its ancestors. Again, name a wound--any wound--social or physical--that heals in less time than it took to inflict. White people stay wounded just as long. Saying "just in my head" only makes sense if you are saying psychic wounds are just as damaging as physical ones, and somehow I doubt that was what you were saying. Go ahead--name the wound. And if you aren't saying you think whites would have "gotten over it" faster, what exactly are you saying? And certainly don't worry about me, personally. I'm doing spectacularly well compared with average, white or otherwise. But I'm also aware of the obstacles I and others of my group have faced, and won't sit on my thumbs when people imply that our grievances are imaginary. It ain't that kind of party.
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It's amazing that you can get so far in Hollywood and yet have a script that's full of grammatical and formatting errors. It reads like a 15 year old wrote it. Spell check, Quentin, it's not hard.
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Never been a fan of Jamie Foxx's acting.
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April 14, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST
I WANT THESE MOTHERFUCKING SLAVES OF THIS MOTHERFUCKING PLANTATION!!!!!!
by SmokieGeezer
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April 14, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST
QT's fave film is Good,Bad and THe Ugly....so expect plenty of homages. I hope it beats that other shit DOLLAR FOR THE DEAD
by SmokieGeezer
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April 14, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST
If you have never seen The GOOD, The Bad and The Ugly....Do yourself a big favour and torrent that sucker. Their is a nice blu ray you can find.....FCUKINg amAzing Film
by SmokieGeezer
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"Again, name a wound--any wound--social or physical--that heals in less time than it took to inflict. " Just did. Southeast Asians. Individuals from the former Soviet states, it that isn't good enough for you. Get the fuck over it, in any case. We're all getting tired or your worn-out spiel.
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April 14, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST
On American Slavery. (And yes, there is a difference.)
by ChaunceyGardiner
The institution of American slavery had a very different lifestory than that of the typical society based on slavery. First off, early on in the American colonies slavery was limited to dark-skinned Africans, precisely so that it would be easier to tell the slaves from the non-slaves (this was the result of a slave rebellion that consisted both of Africans slaves and European serfs). Slavery was illegal in American, but for Europeans - not Africans. This is the first major difference: it was not essentially a monetary issue, though there were mild numbers of free blacks (who often lived in concentrated numbers, like other immigrants, but also were fast to develop an assimilated lifestyle that discouraged comparisons between them and black slaves). The issue was that American slavery was based on the physical difference between blacks and whites. So ingrained in American culture is that when it comes to whites and blacks, it is an issue of "us" and "them." The perception of Africans in American is one of "otherness," and it is precisely this that created the specific atmosphere of racism that DOES define America. To speak of blackness, even in America now, is a often a derogatory statement. I read it all the time on these boards: blackness associated with ugliness. What is particularly vulgar about American slavery is the lengths to which African slaves and their descendants were degradated. As slavery progressed, especially in the South, the slaves were bred like livestock and treated much like it. You can read in Frederick Douglass, one of the most eloquent of all American men and women of letters, of the internal effects that this "brain washing" caused even one as brilliant as he. A self-hatred was born, and an internal denial of one's own humanity manifested, so brutalized was the instinct that led to free-will. The slaves were taught not to think of themselves as men. They were conditioned, like machines or dogs. In Eygpt and under Rome, the Jews did have their own separate socities and were often allowed to hold onto aspects of their cultures. The closest you see to American slavery would be the desolate Soviet work camps. But in these cases, those people had a home to return to. In American, slaves became citizens. There was no mass-Exodus. There was an envelopeing and disgestion of the slave population. In short, American culture (both white and black) had to cope with the results of centuries of one member of society being the captive of another, merely due to the colour of their skin. So yes, American slavery is MUCH different than what existed in Africa at that time or any other nation. And because of the span of time it existed in America and because of the lengths to which a society of slave-owners went to create a breed of humans which would regard themselves as inferior, naturally: a rewritten human. Men taken of the right not only to read, but to mate as they would prefer. Men taught to hate one another, and, thus, to hate themselves. And spiraling out from that moment in history is less than 200 years. I can still trace my family back to our existence as slave-owners. My own father and mother recall the race riots of the 60s, from personal perspective and not merely a historical one. They remember integration, remember their own families moveing from one neighborhood to the next because of the upward mobility of that era that resulted in African-Americans haveing a chance to live in the same communities. My father remembers his friends fighting black teens his own age, remembers picking up a bottle and busting it on a football stadium bleacher in order to cut and maime with - and he remembers looking down and seeing the bottle in his hand, AND seeing himself, seeing himself with a bottle in his hand about to do battle with - and he remembers the shame of it. Thankfully, my father was one of those who put the bottle down. And still, when I visit the nurseing home where my grandmother lives, still there are two liveing areas, one occupied by the black patrons and the other by the white ones. Few are the souls to cross that barrier. People, it is an issue of hate. Not dis-like, but centuries of distrust and hate and violence. And it takes owning up to this responsibility of our place in time, our proximity to it, in order to resolve the emotion that seethes still from it. In America, this is not the Past. It is very much the Present - and without daily realization of this fact, it will also be our Future. When Faulkner said in regard to the elements of time and memory, "The Past isn't over, it isn't even past" (paraphrased), we might wonder at his almost-mystic wisdom, but I remind you of the very real fact of his being a Southern writer. It is a mantle that he knowingly carried and wore, and he knew that it was not merely a privelege or badge of honour; he knew too that to be a Southern writer he had a responsibility. There was blood on that name. I live in the cauldron of it, where the cooking was done. And I know the scent of the slaughter house when I near it. These are things of my life.
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It sounds like a re-tread of themes and ideas for Tarantino but it could be a great film none-the-less. I'd like to see Tarantino do a contemporary story. Something about a clean cut yuppie dude who gets his pension stolen by Goldman Sachs. So he joins the Hells Angels to learn how to become a bad-ass mothefucker who snorts gigantic rails of meth then cuts banker executive's faces off with a huge knife that is engraved "Kill Whitey"
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Jamie Foxx, like Will Smith can't blend into the background. Say what you will about Costner, Hanks, Washington, and Crowe(LA Confidental) they can blend with their characters. Too bad Idris Elba or Anthony Mackie wasn't chosen. Oh well at least Kurt Russell is in this shit to make this bitch an A!
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So it took them how long to cross over? How long were these people oppressed, and to what degree? Those who came to the United States who were oppressed were damaged in what way financially or physically, and how are you measuring their current "health"? I can precisely quantify the damage done to slaves: 300 years of slavery, which stole an average of about 12 years from each of them (judging by census at the time, and assuming that their lifespans would roughly have been equal to Kalahari hunter-gatherers.) If the "Southeast Asians" had been damaged to some statistically measurable degree by "oppression" and then the aggressors left, yep, I'd expect it to take at least as long to recover as they were oppressed. But a few leaving? The most mobile and capable? Immigrants have done notoriously well in America, and again, you can't compare immigrants to people who were hauled here in chains. You could be sick of hearing about it all you want, and it doesn't change a thing: white people piss and moan about their troubles to beat the band, and it is grotesquely dishonest to try to pretend centuries of damage should have been overcome in decades. You can lie to yourself about it all you want, but your arguments only sound valid to you.
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Are you a guy dressed up in a gal's name like winona_ryder's_pussy_juice like a hijra?
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April 14, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST
Can't wait to see what Quentin has in store for us. Will be seeing this in the theater.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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April 14, 2012, 8:45 p.m. CST
Winona, your suggestion of a new modern-era Tarantino pic sounds very much like what the trailer for Stone's "Savages" trailer promises.
by ChaunceyGardiner
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April 14, 2012, 9:26 p.m. CST
These days, all gals are bitch. But sometimes, gals are guys like a hijra
by ajit maholtra
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not to read his screenplay, but that's just not a luxury I have been afforded.. loved it though this is BY FAR my most anticipated movie of the year.
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April 15, 2012, 12:22 a.m. CST
borisdoris, The Arabs controlled the slave trade in Africa.
by ganymede3010
The notion that Europeans only bought slaves from black african slaves masters is a myth. Did it happen on occasion, rarely, but slaves were predominately rounded up and taken just like everything else the Europeans wanted during that period.
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Foetus, liberalwarrior3, subtitles_off ... and they all sound so resentful, jealous and full of self-hatred. Shit, they practically sound like they're all one person. And, asshole, da_choppah was the ripoff. the_choppah was the original handle, but it's been retired since Justin Timberlake showed me the way and told me to drop the *the.* Now, please, go back to frightening the neighborhood kids with your spittle-flecked diatribes against Chris Nolan and Lady Gaga. ... not yet ... Wait for it .... Nah, not even gonna bother with this chump.
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http://www.shunya.net/Pictures/NorthIndia/Shantiniketan/Hijra1.jpg
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Not to mention that people bring up the *blacks selling blacks* point to divert blame from the noble white folk. *See? They were selling their own kind! So it's black people's fault that there was slavery in America to begin with!*
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And he never once told me that he had a lulli.
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I wouldn't take it so personally.
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There was one gal named lisab but she seemed a bit crazy and I think she might have been retarded.
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April 15, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST
There's also pink_apocalypse, ajit. So don't give up hope yet.
by Robert Evans
lisab/genderbender/gender_bender was a head case and a pretty militant lesbian (as she told us over and over and over and over again), anyway. It's a good thing you never made her move. Besides, she's tasted the banhammer.
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I don't believe that had been said yet.
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A deal is cut. <p> Then a script is shit out. <p> It might be a good script. But that's irrelevant in Hollyweird, where it's the deal and the shit that count.
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Dude, GAME OF THRONES ROCKS!. Those filmmakers had to start somewhere right? Do you use a Canon5D? Are you into science? You know, science & magic are very near the same thing. I just entered a contest called the Afterschoolawards! They asked me to submit some videos of me & my student films, so i figured hey, why not? any young filmmaker out there should go to Afterschoolawards.com & enter the contest too. You could win up to $10,000 in scholarship money. Ya never know, just thought I'd pass it on.
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When this movie comes out, I'm gonna bet some money and see it.
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