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Chat Here About The Return Of BILL MAHER And Lena Dunham On LATE LATE!! Plus Fresh FRINGE, GRIMM, THE FINDER, UNDERCOVER BOSS, And More!!

Lena Dunham is the 25-year-old writer, director, producer and star of acclaimed indie movie “Tiny Furniture.” She’s also writer, director, producer and star of HBO’s acclaimed Judd Apatow sitcom “Girls,” which premieres Sunday.  She's on CBS' "The Late Late Show" tonight.

All that gene therapy for nothing! Last week we lost one of the Lincoln Lees. Of course we lost a Broyles not long ago and he came back.

Like Alison Brie, Jared Harris can be on two shows at the same time. Fox says of tonight’s “The Consultant”:

Walter travels to the Alternate Universe to assist in the investigation of a Fringe event with ties to both worlds. Meanwhile, David Robert Jones reveals his next target.

Returning tonight:

Say Yes To The Dress (9pm TLC)

One of the “Fringe” showrunners said we should know within a week whether the Bishop Boys will be back for a last batch of 13 episodes next season. Because “Fringe” airs on a non-school-night, I’ve no idea how last week’s drop to a 1.0 affects Fox’s plans.

Fridays, Jan. 20-April 6, 2012
(Adults 18-49; repeats in gray; previous weeks in parentheses)
1.8 (1.8) (---) (---) (2.0) (2.0) (1.9) (2.4) (---) (0.5) (3.0) Undercover Boss
1.7 (1.6) (---) (---) (1.6) (1.7) (1.7) (1.6) (1.8) (1.7) (1.3) Blue Bloods
1.7 (1.6) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (1.7) CSI NY
1.6 (1.5) (1.6) (1.5) (1.2) (1.5) (1.0) (---) (1.5) (1.4) (1.7) Primetime
1.5 (2.1) (1.6) (1.4) (1.3) (1.5) (1.2) (2.0) (1.4) (1.7) (1.5) 20/20
1.3 (1.2) (0.7) (0.8) (1.5) (1.6) (1.5) (---) (1.6) (1.4) (---) Grimm
1.3 (1.3) (1.5) (1.7) (1.4) (1.6) (1.8) (1.5) (1.8) (1.5) (1.5) Shark Tank
1.1 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) The Finder
1.0 (1.2) (0.9) (1.0) (1.3) (1.3) (1.3) (1.1) (1.5) (1.1) (1.2) Dateline
1.0 (1.2) (0.9) (---) (---) (---) (1.2) (1.1) (1.1) (1.2) (1.2) Fringe
0.8 (0.8) (1.0) (0.7) (1.4) (1.4) (1.0) (---) (1.3) (---) (---) Who Do/You Are?
0.8 (1.0) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Robot Chicken
0.7 (0.7) (0.6) (0.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Fairly Legal
0.8 (0.7) (0.8) (0.8) (0.9) (0.9) (0.6) (0.9) (---) (1.0) (0.9) WWE Smackdown
0.6 (0.6) (0.7) (0.8) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) In Plain Sight
0.5 (0.5) (0.4) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Fat Gypsy Wedding
0.5 (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) (0.5) (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) (0.6) (0.6) Say Yes To The Dress
0.5 (0.7) (0.7) (0.6) (0.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Ultimate Fighter
0.4 (0.4) (0.3) (0.5) (0.5) (0.4) (0.4) (---) (---) (---) (---) House Hunters
0.4 (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (0.5) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (---) House Hunters Intl
0.3 (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) (0.3) (0.2) (0.3) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.3) Nikita
0.3 (0.7) (0.6) (0.7) (0.4) (0.3) (0.4) (0.8) (0.8) (0.8) (0.4) Supernatural

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  • April 13, 2012, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Is that the only option for Fringe? Cancellation or a final 13?

    by V'Shael

    I'll be disappointed if that's true. The final 13 thing didn't work well for Chuck at all.

  • April 13, 2012, 5:41 a.m. CST

    I do hope alt-Lincoln is still alive somehow

    by theGoldbergV

    Story-wise it made sense to kill him off, and I'm sure budget-wise it helps, but it was a bit of a waste. The guy got burnt to a crisp for Gods sake! You'd think a bullet would be a cakewalk... I'd like to see a Fringe season 5. Mainly because this season has been a bit weak. Another year, even if it was just 13 episodes, would allow them to re-invent the show again. Any ideas as to what the next revamp could entail? Time travel? Another universe?

  • April 13, 2012, 5:52 a.m. CST

    It`s had it`s run, now it`s just needs to be put out of it`s misery.

    by higgledyhiggles

    Olivia choosing to be another Olivia for no reason i can see. John noble has been the only reason to watch oh and the woman playing Astrid is rather good looking.

  • April 13, 2012, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Things they haven't really explained - like the First people.

    by V'Shael

    But I can't see the writers of this slow plodding meandering season actually launch and resolve a storyline like that in under 13 episodes satisfactorily.

  • April 13, 2012, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Yeah the first people turned out to

    by theGoldbergV

  • April 13, 2012, 6:51 a.m. CST


    by theGoldbergV

    The first people turned out to be Walter and Peter right? So who created the machine? And what does it do? And why did Peter get zapped 20 years into the future? And why When Peter was erased from existence did the timeline revert to where he drowned in the lake? If it removed September's influence from the timeline then surely Walternate wouldn't have been distracted by him and would have cured Peter in the lab? It's not that they need to explain every little detail, but Fringe is getting a bit like LOST in that the reasons behind WHY things are happening aren't really explained, which makes it hard to get invested in the story. Olivia's decision to effectively wipe away her old life for the one with Peter seemed more like the writers desperately wanting the normal Olivia back, rather than an organic twist in the story. Giving them another season to wrap it up sounds like a good idea, but they never really explained ZFT or the pattern and that was 3 years ago...

  • April 13, 2012, 7:35 a.m. CST

    aaaaahhhhhh, fuck it

    by HoweHatTrick

    Pretty much every decent series has had its stumbling points/weeks/story arcs. Compared to everything else out there, including every goddamned "reality" series, "Fringe" is entertaining. If it gets the axe, it gets the axe. It's just a television show. And to those that don't like it, don't watch it.

  • April 13, 2012, 7:55 a.m. CST

    @thegoldbergv - The First People

    by V'Shael

    If it removed September's influence from the timeline then

  • April 13, 2012, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Holy crap that quote bug is annoying... Let's try again.

    by V'Shael

    The first people were supposedly a pre-human humanoid civilisation, weren't they? I don't believe the mahcine was meant to remove Septembers influence from the timeline. I'm not sure about ZFT (wasn't that a manifesto of some terrorist group that had something to do with the changelings?) but they did explain the Pattern, didn't they? It was the attacks on Earth Prime by Walternate and his Fringe team in response to the damage being done on their Earth. (I wrote more and in more detail, but AICN ate the post, as usual. Fucking buggy piece of shit software.....)

  • April 13, 2012, 8:15 a.m. CST

    NBC is rebooting the office.

    by Redhead_Redemption

    Seriously recasting a new micheal scott and everything

  • Just kidding - I love to watch Bill Maher - but the RETURN of Bill Maher? Bill Maher is with us, he has always bween with us... And Fringe just keeps getting better and better Happy Friday the 13th to everyone, especially to that certain someone....who will show up, not to communicate, but to smother us with his same old blather about Bill Maher, because it is in the headline, so he gets to act crazy, and insult everyone ----- not try to communicate in any way not all conservatives are as weird as this one guy who will show up pretty soon- Some actually like to talk about other things in life and not just talk insanely about Bill Maher and a general hatred of anything liberal I asked another conservative what good movies and TV he has seen lately, and we actually had a pleasant conversation- not wit gthis one guy though - he would havdr no ide how to even talk about movies or TV, his rage is so consuming. Oh well, have fun today, kids...

  • April 13, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST

    @V'shael - first people and other things

    by theGoldbergV

    Ok, don't take this as gospel because my grasp on the Fringe mytharc has dwindled this year but I thought it was established in the s3 finale that the first people were in fact Walter and Peter. They sent the machine parts through the wormhole (or whatever it was) which sent them back in time thousands of years and so people assumed they were relics of a long-lost civilisation. Its a time paradox basically. I'm sure at one point Peter seemed to confirm this. As for September being removed from the timeline, I just assumed that because in the 'new' timeline Peter died in the lake as a boy. Originally, he only survived falling through the ice because September saved him, so I thought that meant September's interactions with Peter had been removed. But that makes no sense because if September didn't disturb Walternat in the lab then Walter wouldn't have crossed over in th first place. Again, I'm a bit fuzzy on the details, maybe someone else can clarify. In season 1 the Pattern was implied to have some sort of order to it (it is after all, supposedly a 'pattern') but yeah, I guess they did explain it away as just being the ripple effects from Walter crossing over. Doesn't really fit with how it was orginally presented though, but loads of retcon their early plots. ZFT was the terrorist organisation that Jones belonged to, but it was implied the manifesto was written by either Walter or William Bell, because Walter found the typewriter used to write it in the lab. As far as I can remember we never did find out who it was, and I don't think ZFT has even been mentioned since season 1. Man, Fringe's storylines are convoluted. I haven't even touched on "the man who's going to kill me" the mysterious "they are coming" that September mumbled about.

  • April 13, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST

    ZFT and the Pattern

    by cookylamoo

    I think it's becoming clear that the Pattern was basically a bunch of mad scientists auditioning their inventions for ZFT which was run by Jones. ZFT planned to use these weapons to counteract the invasion of the Earth II shapeshifters created by Bell and maybe to attack and decimate Earth II itself. But the new Jones seems to have a totally new agenda. In fact, he may not be the Earth 1 Jones at all but rather the alternate Earth II Jones who is carrying out Bell's agenda. But if anyone can explain the scene with the apple from season one, I'm open to hear it.

  • April 13, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST


    by purplemonkeydw

    Aw yeah, new Grimm, new Fringe...good night headed our way. Robot Chicken had the same rating as Who Do You Think You Are?? Wow.

  • April 13, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST

    No new Supernatural tonight = nothing to watch on Friday.

    by I_Love_LanaLang

    That's not to say that Fringe isn't a decent show, but I learned the hard way that you need to have seen previous seasons to understand the backstory and make it worth watching current episodes. I realize that there's a sizable group of Fringe devotees on these talkbacks, and I would never want to insult their favorite sci-fi show.

  • April 13, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Looks like they filmed both a season and series finale

    by Paul

    FRINGE Season 4 Finale Game Plan Revealed; Two Endings, Season 5 Story Arc In-Play To be renewed, or to not be renewed? That’s the question keeping Fringe fans up all night as they wait for the green-green-green-red light on Season 5. In the meantime, the cast have been teasing details of the upcoming episodes, the season finale’s secret weapon, and the potential Season 5 storyline that’s about to be introduced. Here’s what the cast was able to reveal about what’s coming up in the finale and where the story could go in Season 5, assuming FOX and WBTV come up trumps: Speaking at the Television: Out of the Box exhibit on Thursday, John Noble claimed that two endings have been shot for this year’s finale. Presumably, the ending that goes to air (assuming they don’t both air for plot reasons) will depend on whether or not the show is renewed for Season 5. The mood over a fifth season is positive, but two endings give the show some wriggle-room to end the season/series in the best possible way, depending on the circumstances. If the show gets picked up for another chapter, the show can use the ending that leaves the story more open — and we’ll get to that in a moment. According to TV Line, Noble also claimed many “big questions” will be answered in the May 11 finale, including the mid-season mystery over Olivia’s pending doom (and whether the enigmatic Man X factors into it). As for David Robert Jones *swoon*, Noble confirms that the Special One plays “a very big part, but not as big as you think,” that’s because “there’s something bigger.” Going back to the alternate endings, Joshua Jackson echoes the logic of wiggle-room, saying “the writers have given themselves a device by which we can tell a fifth season story without having to leave this season’s story open.” While Lance Reddick declined to elaborate, he did concede that “the way [Season 4] ends could function as a series finale, but there’s one storyline left open that could end up as a cliffhanger for the beginning of the fifth season.. We’ll see what airs depending on what [Fox and WBTV] decide.” As it stands, talk is of a shortened 13-episode season to wrap the series, but according to Jackson, fans will get wind of the potential fifth season storyline in advance of the finale, in the much-hyped April 20th episode, “Letters Of Transit“. Jackson said: “The door to the fifth season is opened in Episode 19 . If you watch that, you’ll have an understanding of where they want to take the series.” This will no doubt warm the hearts of serial fans who may have feared that this season’s traditionally ‘out-of-the-box’ 19th episode would do little service to the ongoing arc. The proof is always in the pudding, of course, but the aroma is at least more pleasant than it might have been. Shifting back to matters DRJ, Jared Harris spoke to IGN recently in looking ahead to his character’s return in these final episodes of the season. Harris, a fan of the show, provides some insight into what it takes to play the tea-total villain: It’s been fun. I’m a big fan of the show myself. It’s a great group of people. I liked the idea and I was really informed quite strongly from watching John Noble and what he was doing with Walter. Although you’re playing the same character from a different timeline, so you might be going backwards, they’re not the same, because they’ve been deprived of experiences that the other versions had. So they’ve been changed. And watching what he was doing, I understood that also had to be true for Jones. He’d been denied – well really, it was the lack of exposure to Olivia. And that changes something about him in that first season and that hasn’t happened to him in this one. In these two video interviews with Give Me My Remote, Anna Torv and Seth Gabel discuss the recent episode, “Everything In Its Right Place,” and the potential hook-up between their characters: (Theres video interviews at the link)

  • April 13, 2012, noon CST

    cookylamoo - apple

    by Paul

    That was the Fringe spy (forgot his name) that was working for David Robert Jones doing teleportation tests with an apple before doing it for real with Jones to teleport him out of prison.

  • April 13, 2012, 12:07 p.m. CST

    i_love_lanalang - of course, as always, you are right

    by Michael Lunney

  • April 13, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST

    i_love_lanalang -see any good movies of TV lately? Other than Supernatural?

    by Michael Lunney

  • Saw Noble on a Conan rerun and he looked a lot younger than his Walter character- they must age him for the role..... and Noble smiled a lot.... it was a little weird but cool

  • April 13, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    puburrows - I get it

    by cookylamoo

    And the woman he killed was another Jones agent who was was simply no longer needed and could be identified by Olivia.

  • I have yet to be completely satisfied by any live action,good scenese, here and there, yes indeed, but almost all of the animated adventures seem to be superior entertainment and much more fun and consistently cool Hopefully one day we will see a Pixar Dr. Strange on the big screen, or maybe THe Creeper, or Deadman, or Adam Strange or THe Atomic Knights or Metal Men or.................

  • Hope you enjoy this weeks animated offerings as much as I always do- Young Justice, to me, is some of the best TV storytelling going on right now, and Green Lantern, some great SF concepts and imagery. Always loved the Green Lantern Coprs and their outer space adventures. Too bad the live action adaptation had the wrong person in the lead, and despite one or 2 great sequences, the wrong emphasis on the story elements. Oh well, life is good when one makes it so.

  • April 13, 2012, 12:41 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo - hands down animated

    by Paul

    They don't have to try and bring in the 13 year old girl, the grandma and eberyone else in order to bring in millions of dollars. They don't have anything to prove. The animated direct to DVDs and TV series main goal is to appeal to the fanboy. Heck they don't even have to try for the kiddies since the direct to DVD videos are usually PG-13 witch is the same level of most comics. Also they don't even bother with redoing and redoing and redoing origin stories unless its a flashback. They can just jump into a story thats directly taken from an actual comicbook and throw in a few flashbacks for the newbies. Having said that I actually have been quite impressed with SOME of the live action movies like the nolan Batmans, the 2 Burton ones, the first 2 Reeve Supemans Spiderman 2, a lot of the Avengers solo movies, X-Men 2 and First Class. All of them had faults, but were very enjoyable for what they were. Toally excited for Avengers and Batman (supprisingly a tiny more for Avengers) But the Animated ones are still far better.

  • April 13, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Plus the DVDs don't have to worry about rights

    by Paul

    Hated it how Smallville couldn't use Diana or Bruce Wayne since there were movies in production at the time and how Marvel can't use the X-Men, Spiderman, Daredevil or Fantastic Four in their own movies. Would love a Spiderman/Daredevil/Punisher movie or to see cameos from the FF or Spiderman flying/swinging by in the Avengers movie or even Spiderman or Wolverine in a 3rd or 4th Avengers movie on the team.

  • April 13, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo Yeah Im always excited about YJ and GL

    by Paul

    Plus Transformers Prime, Thundercats, Avengers and somewhat Spiderman.

  • April 13, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST

    I can see a huge blow up coming on Young

    by Paul

  • April 13, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by Paul

    Got cut off. With Superboys patches, Megaans secret identity, Artitmis's family, plus a maybe, maybe not mole.

  • April 13, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST

    The Legend of Korra premierres tomorrow morning!

    by Paul

    11am in California check your local listings!

  • April 13, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST

    pa thanks!

    by Michael Lunney

  • April 13, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST

    I'm always surprised at the amount of people who diss Fringe...

    by David Hinson

    I routinely watch it and always come away happy. Even my Wife likes it and sic-fi is not exactly her cup of tea. I know it can't go on forever, but one more season to shore and close things up would be nice for all the loyal fans of the show. Heres hoping that is it does get cancelled it will be picked up by SYFY or USA or something. Anyone think there is any chance of that happening?

  • and hopefully, to make it as good as possible- every great story will have a great ending - here is hoping for that greatness

  • April 13, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Legend of Korra

    by angry kitty

    Will definitely be checking that out.

  • April 13, 2012, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Speaking of animation vs live action

    by angry kitty

    I was so disappointed that the did not pursue a theatrical full length Avatar: the last Airbender movie. The wrap up if that series; with the confrontation of Aang & the Firelord could have been spectacular on the big screen. Instead we got a limp live-action movie. None of the poetic beauty of the element bending movements. Just a bunch of people waving their arms. So sloooooowly.

  • April 13, 2012, 5:20 p.m. CST


    by Paul

    Yeah I do want some sort of ending to be on Fox. Ether way though the creators have said that if it does get canceled that they would continue the story in comicbook form. I'd rather have TV, but a comic is better then nothing.

  • I guess Vampire Diaries is a Thursday show but still. TV would have been sucking without them, except for Game of Thrones!

  • April 13, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST

    oh shit, new avatar? awesssommee

    by happybunni

    I will miss Aang and such though Best cartoon ever. Archer is second best

  • one can dream, right? too bad HBO is a liberal cesspool of....well utter progressive shit. they go hand in hand. i wonder how the misogynist pork product will defend the new *war on women* from the Democrats?? methinks with much gusto....and prove yet another dimension of his hypocrisy. im wondering though if his utter hatred of women will allow him to do it? hmmm, interesting paradox the coward has put himself in. BTW- i see mcgoo is being his typical schizophrenic and hypocritical self. u are one fucked in the head dude, dude....

  • April 13, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST

    all new fringe

    by JaredP

    can't wait. love this fucking show!!!

  • So long, Derb. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. L. M. F. A. O. !

  • April 13, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST

    jay2517 - seen any good movies or TV lately?

    by Michael Lunney

    I truly value your opinion

  • i rarely see movies *live* unless my little ladies want to see something (*cough* Avengers) sooooo... *lately*... movie- Drive tv- Game of Thrones now, back to ur *hero*, the pig Maher...

  • April 13, 2012, 9:21 p.m. CST

    MNG- the racist pig Maher is a REAL as they get...

    by jay2517

    F. O. R. R. E. E. E. L. Z.

  • Seriously, best TV death EVER.

  • April 13, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Yeah, you mean he's REALLY got your panties in a bunch.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Z I N G ! ! ! ! ! !!!!!!!!!!

  • April 14, 2012, 12:26 a.m. CST

    zilla, you must not watch breaking bad

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    i can think of 2 deaths that were way better than alt-broyles death

  • just kidding. it was probably exactly the same as every other episode of Undercover Boss..

  • April 14, 2012, 1:07 a.m. CST

    TARDIS roundels in preview to next week's Fringe set in 2036

    by lynxpro

    Check out the scenes for next week's episode of "Fringe" set in the year 2036 after The Observers have taken over. There's two shots of white walls with "roundels" in them just as the TARDIS had them in Classic "Doctor Who". That has to be a deliberate homage. Walter can be seen grabbing a spherical device that sorta looks like a modernized - and miniaturized - version of the classic TARDIS Console Time Rotor prior to the Time Rotor becoming extremely tall and connecting to the ceiling as has been the case since the 1996 TV Movie. It appears The Observers are going to resemble the controlling MiB aliens from "Dark City" in this episode... And John Noble definitely has to appear in "Doctor Who" next. Maybe he should be Omega, or some other badass Time Lord thought to be dead.

  • April 14, 2012, 1:47 a.m. CST

    What's the word on "The Finder"?

    by lynxpro

    Is it going to survive or is Fox going to cancel it? I happen to like that show a lot and when I say that and the show happens to be on Fox, it always ends up canceled. I wish more of these shows would just move to cable where they could survive easier.

  • April 14, 2012, 3:55 a.m. CST NETWORK tv death

    by zillabeast

    He's not that far off from Gustavo Fring or Danny Trejo though.

  • April 14, 2012, 4:26 a.m. CST

    Exclusive: Fox To Renew Fringe For Fifth And Final Season

    by Paul

    Exclusive: Fox To Renew Fringe For Fifth And Final Season By Patrick Munn - April 13th, 2012 @ 01:34 pm UTC . Exclusive: Fox is close to renewing Fringe for a fifth and final season, TVWise has learned. For the past couple of months, Fox has been having discussions with Warner Bros. Television about the future of the low rated series. Sources familiar with said discussions tell me that, while there are still a few points that need ironing out, a deal for a fifth and final season of 13 episodes is expected to be reached within the next few weeks. I’m told that one issue that has been resolved is the length of this fifth and final season; with WB initially pushing for a full season of 22 episodes, while Fox expressed that they would be more comfortable with a “limited episode order” of 7 – 13 episodes, which would get the show close to or past the 100 episode mark required for syndication. Another issue that has been widely reported on is Fox’s licensing fee for the series. I’m told that WB has offered Fox “a substantially lower” fee for the fifth season. As such, insiders tell me that they expect Fox to announce the renewal of Fringe for a fifth and final season of 13 episodes in the coming weeks. This news will come as a relief to fans of the series, which has had a hard time in the ratings for its last two seasons. The latest episode of the sci-fi series attracted a mere 3 million viewers and a 1.0 rating in the 18-49 demographic in live+same day. With those numbers, most shows would be looking at certain cancellation, but the amount of money Warner Bros. stands to make from off-network syndication deals is the driving force behind the series’ future. The only real question that still needs to be answered is will we see an announcement before the network’s upfront presentation in May?

  • April 14, 2012, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Mixed feelings about this

    by Paul

    I'm excited about the possibility of a final season to wrap things up, but at the same time sad since we will only get to see these beloved characters on the TV screen for less then tweenty episodes. Oh well theres always DVD rewatches!

  • April 14, 2012, 5:22 a.m. CST

    Anyone watching AWAKE? It's another bloody good multi-universe story!

    by CeejayNightwing

    And Jason Issacs rocks!

  • Apparently the people @ Finder decided to try the randomization. I *love* finder and this annoys me, can't imagine it's good for the casual fans. *sigh*

  • April 14, 2012, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Fringe seems to be wrapping things up things already.

    by cookylamoo

    At least if next weeks preview is the reveal it looks like it is. I'd hate to see Fringe end up like Babylon 5 where they wrap up the story and then spend a season that's basically a post-mortum.

  • April 14, 2012, 11:03 a.m. CST


    by donkey_lasher

    I think I'm pretty much done with this show. It's been extended beyond it's own lifetime, but has been very watchable. It's the network that has killed it for me. I don't fancy watching another season that's dragged out for eight months of the year.

  • April 14, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    annnnd the pig Maher didnt disappoint...

    by jay2517

    how anyone can be a *fan* or support this bigoted racist is baffling...

  • April 14, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

  • April 14, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST

    A good take on Fringe

    by Michael Lunney

    At times, Fringe season four has felt like an extended epilogue to a story that concluded at the end of season three. But last night's episode was compelling evidence that this show still has something new to say about its "two universes" scenario — and also about its central figure, Walter Bishop. It's been ages since an episode of Fringe allowed John Noble to shine as much as he did last night, and it was a great reminder of what he (and this show) can do, given the chance. Spoilers ahead... After last week's almost Walter-free episode, it was especially great to get a Walter-centric outing. And thank goodness, Walter is almost back to being the quirky, lovable, mischievous figure we got to know in the first few seasons, rather than the tormented agorophobe we were watching for the first half of season four. Everything has been rapidly moving back to "normal," leaving the fact that David Robert Jones isn't dead as the main consequence of the new timeline. Indeed, Walter is once again reveling in the fact that Peter and Olivia are a couple, instead of having misgivings about Olivia's mind being warped by the memories of a different timeline. Walter is practically skipping along as he gloats about his son and his son's girlfriend, and the fact that he couldn't reach Peter last night — because Peter was on a date. Instead of seeing Peter's death as a punishment and Peter's return as a temptation to ignore the lessons behind that punishment, Walter is starting to revel in having a son once again. And then this episode gives Walter his latest foil — who might be the most surprising one we've had in a long time. A large number of Fringe episodes feature people who do terrible things for noble reasons, and often these misguided people are contrasted with Walter Bishop. But as seen in the clip above, this time around Walter's hubris is contrasted with alt-Broyles' decision to become a pawn of David Robert Jones. For the second time, one of Jones' underlings turns out not to be a shapeshifter, but rather just a regular person who's come under Jones' influence for some reason. The fake-out is just as effective a second time — although it does make you wonder why Jones isn't just using his shapeshifters for this sort of job. In any case, we soon learn that alt-Broyles' son, who was terribly ill the last time we saw him, is suddenly a lot healthier, thanks to some super-advanced medicine that Jones provided. In return for healing alt-Broyles' son, Jones has been getting information on everything the Fringe Division has been doing — which indirectly led to the death of alt-Lincoln. (Who we can now safely assume really is dead.) The contrast between Walter, who broke the universe to save a version of his son, and Broyles, who's willing to go along with a maniac's agenda to save his own son, is informative. For his own part, Walter acted out of hubris as well as love, and he at least believed he knew what he was doing — even though Nina and his assistant tried to warn him. In many ways, Broyles' choice is much worse, since he knows that Jones is a psychopath and he's helping to betray his entire world. Plus Broyles is choosing to be a patsy rather than at least making his own mistakes, like Walter did. It's hard to have the same respect for Broyles in this situation that we've learned to have for Walter. It's also interesting that Walter explicitly recognizes that he's taken a step backwards in terms of moral certitude in the past few months — before Peter returned, Walter was pretty clear that he'd sinned and been punished, and that he'd made the wrong choice. Now that Peter is around, and Walter gets to have his adult son in his life, he is much less certain. What's interesting is that even though Walter has ended up having much the same relationship with Peter that he had in the "original" timeline, he seemed to be more certain of his repentance back in season three. Something about spending 25 years without Peter in his life — and then getting him back — has unsettled Walter's convictions a bit. And perhaps not coincidentally, this Walter — who has never gotten a white tulip in the mail and thus does not feel that God has forgiven him — mentions God's vengeance without any discernible irony, early on in the episode. You can't help wondering if Walter is enjoying having Peter in his life, but bracing himself for the other shoe to drop and God's justice to strike. In any case, this episode belongs to John Noble, and he totally runs with it. It's great to see Walter visiting crime scenes in person again, instead of sitting in the lab and commenting testily via video feed. There's just something about seeing him examining horribly mangled bodies in situ that's terribly rewarding. And his gratitude when Olivia is starting to open up and trust Walter, when he knows how difficult that is for her, is really something. And later in the episode, Walter can't bring a casserole to Fauxlivia, but instead he brings her a severed hand. And speaking of Walter having a new foil — the scenes between Walter and Fauxlivia were non-stop brilliance, and both Noble and Torv were able to bring something new and delightful to the characters they've been playing for four years. Walter starts out still hating Fauxlivia for infiltrating his lab during whatever version of the Olivia-switcheroo happened in this timeline — hence the crack about her being his "escort," not quite meaning prostitute. But when Walter sees Fauxlivia grieving horribly for the death of alt-Lincoln, he softens towards her, and they form an amazing team. Culminating in the best sleepover ever, when Walter makes the huge concession of wearing pajamas instead of sleeping in the buff, and then he helps Fauxlivia deal with the aftereffects of too much Bushmills by cooking her some scrambled eggs. Any time Noble and Torv get a scene together, it's usually great — but especially seeing the normally perky Fauxlivia struggling to come to grips with the death of the guy she's been relying on for seven years, while Walter comes to realize she's not all that different from "his" Olivia, is amazing. Speaking of which, this episode had a bunch of fascinating differences between the worlds: "Hitball" instead of baseball (or maybe football?). Domesticated pet badgers! No black boxes and no Sherlock Holmes. But oddly enough, Fauxlivia didn't bat an eye when Walter was talking about his disappointment with Nixon — maybe because she's studied up on our world's history. Oh, and it's nice that we get a couple of scenes that focus on security guards — the anonymous guys who guard the entrance to the tunnel between universes or the machine that could destroy the fabric of reality. Seeing the security precautions and legalese involved in this stuff helps remind us that the Fringe Divisions of both worlds are actually pretty good at their jobs, and cements the reality of the situation. So we're still not sure exactly what Jones' master plan involves — but it's something to do with collapsing the two universes together. He did something along those lines to the town of Westfield in "Welcome to Westfield," and in this episode he causes a plane crash and a car crash that take effect in both universes. The results of that test give him enough information to create a device that alt-Broyles can attach to the machine, giving him the power to collapse the whole of both universes together. (Whether this would create one unified-but-messy universe, or just result in the destruction of both is unclear.) In any case, alt-Broyles faces a choice analogous to the one Walter faced back in 1985 — and he chooses to sacrifice his son instead of risking the destruction of two worlds. It's great to see that this show still has some new stories to tell about its ongoing crisis on two Earths. Let's hope the endgame of the David Robert Jones story, over the next few episodes, is as fresh and interesting as this episode was. From Charlie Jane Anders at Io9 Speaking of which, next week's episode — set in 2036, in a world ruled by the Observers, looks like a doozy. I'm going to have a hard time waiting a whole week to watch this one, especially after that terrible glimpse of what looks like Walter in amber at the end of the promo. And meanwhile, John Noble and Lance Reddick told TV Line that the show has filmed two different endings for the season — a cliffhanger, in case it gets renewed, and a final conclusion, in case it doesn't. But if the show does get a fifth season, the seeds for that storyline are all in next week's episode. At least with episodes like "The Consultant" — which give John Noble some material to stretch out with and a different view of Walter and his sins — this show is making a stronger case that it still has new places to go.

  • April 14, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Who is Maher racist against?

    by Bobo_Vision

  • But a new season of Fringe? That is the question we all want answered!!!!!

  • April 14, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Jones couldn't use a shapeshifter for Broyles job.

    by cookylamoo

    A shapeshifter wouldn't be able to stay in the same body long enough.

  • April 14, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST


    by Paul

    Yeah that was a great episode, I loved the moments between Walter and Bolivia and how they warmed up to each other. Also the humaness of Walter relating to Alt-Broyles. and also how Bolivia threw out the forgiveness line to Walter about how the alt world was healing. I kind of think that Walter is returning to his old self because he sees that healing of his mistake taking place and is slowly forgiving himself and this is the result of his repentance. I loved the follow up moment to a previous episode between the two Astrids and Alt-Astrids utter joy over recieveing coffee. I also loved the giddyness of Walter over Peter and Olivia. The moments between Bolivia and Lincoln were great also, It was great how Lincoln was subtlety moving into Bolivia's life and into his Alts place. Just a great episode chock full of great character acting.

  • April 14, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Next weeks episode looks awesome!

    by Paul

    The 19th episode is always the one where they do different things like last year animated one and the musical one. Looks like they go to the future and fight tons of Observers? Its also the one with Henry Ian Cusick (Desmond on Lost).

  • April 14, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    It sure does look like one of the series best for next week. In the future- should be incredible!!!

  • April 14, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST

    No AICN announcement for a sequal to the Avatar series? Really!?!

    by chaburchak

    I check out quite a few of these sites on a daily basis and I STILL almost missed the premiere of The Legend of Korra today. Had no clue it was even coming. Finally noticed a tiny post on a bargain site -- Amazon was allowing free downloads of the first episode... I thought announcements like this was what geek media sites were for. Apparently not.

  • April 14, 2012, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Yeah they should have announced it

    by Paul

    The first two episodes shown today were awesome!!!

  • April 14, 2012, 9:52 p.m. CST


    by Hercules

  • April 14, 2012, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the link, Herc...

    by chaburchak

    I wish I'd seen that when it posted, I could've set my DVR for a year and a month later...

  • bobo_vision - nothing to see here, move along, move along- just a boring troll stringing the same insulting words together looking to get a reaction - just like every Friday when Maher is on by mcgootoo --- translation: im mad because jay2517 consistently calls out my *hero* for what he is. and that hurts my feewings. ur progressive cowardice continues to surprise me week after week...

  • April 15, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    he sleeps with black women for fuck's sake!!!!!!

  • it would help if u would, at least, know the facts before u spew ur ignorance :)

  • so, again, ur logic is incorrect. stupid is no way to go through life, little man....

  • April 15, 2012, 5:08 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    Are you THAT FUCKING STUPID??? Wait, we all know you are!! Dumb fuck!!!!

  • April 15, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY BE THIS STUPID, CAN YOU?? CAN YOU????? oh, wait. You are, you dumb fuck!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

  • April 15, 2012, 5:14 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    If not, then you're just running your pink asshole mouth!! or, you think you spotted a fellow cruiser!! BWAHAHA!! Either way, you're a scumbag........... FACT!!!!!!!!!!

  • April 15, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST

    ^LOL! poor little feller...^

    by jay2517

    THAT SIUT WAS THROWN OUT OF COURT ON ITS ASS, FUCK NOZZLE!!!!!!!!!--- and? AND WHO ARE YOU CALLING LITTLE MAN, CUNT WIPE?--- you. u can read, right? HOLD IT. HE SUPPOSEDLY SLEEPS WITH WOMEN? YOU HAVE EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY??--- yep, sure so. its called Real Time with Bill Maher. watch it sometime. now, u done being all *internet tough*? or do we have to see ur innate masculinity in written word some more? :)

  • Someone's feeling a little lonely this weekend.

  • April 15, 2012, 8:23 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    NEW AND IMPROVED!! And? And what, stupid?? you can read too, right? Or did you just quit when the rest of the record no longer served your story? keep spewing ignorance and lies, FUCKTARD!!!! AND I ASKED IF YOU HAD EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY, RETARD!!!!!! NOT ABOUT HIS SHOW, MORON!! YOU ARE STUPIDER THAN I THOUGHT!! now, u done being all *internet dumb*? or do we have to see ur innate stupidity in written word some more? :) NEW AND IMPROVED!!!!!!!!!!

  • April 15, 2012, 8:25 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    JAY2517-90210!! What a dumb fucker that clown is!!!!

  • April 15, 2012, 9:48 p.m. CST

    how is answering ur question *trolling* mr. vision?

    by jay2517

    u asked. i answered. just wondering... BTW- why would u assume im alone on the weekend? by ur logic that would mean u are too :)

  • April 15, 2012, 9:53 p.m. CST

    little feller...if u cant comprehend what i post, dont reply :)

    by jay2517

    it will save u a boatload of time on here and in life. i can explain it to u slowly if it will help u. or u can try this...., i assuming that will go over ur wittle head too :)

  • April 15, 2012, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Fuckin' Jay stinking up the place again, huh?

    by Al Swearengen

    Much like that cock-eyed reverend, he wouldn't be allowed in my joint...carrying on like some four bit strumpet.

  • you said: yep, sure so. its called Real Time with Bill Maher. watch it sometime. So, after you try to imply that Maher is gay, explain how your response makes any sense. IT DOESN'T, FUCKTARD. You don't comprehend too well. AT ALL!! Dumb fuck!!

  • April 15, 2012, 10:43 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    clearly running away from the truth about the suit and your INABILITY TO UNDERSTAND A SIMPLE QUESTION!!!!!! Why are people like you SO DUMBBBBBBBBBB??????!!!!!! BWAHAHAHA!!

  • April 16, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST

    gaius, thanks for the news on John Derbyshire's firing.

    by Stalkeye

    This guy is a fucking propagandist dickbag. Sure, he article in Takis magazine may come off as him being "Cautionary' but goddamn if that sob aint a racist. Had no idea he starred in Way of the Dragon with Bruce Lee. Hopefully he played as one of the thugs who got his ass handed to him by lee. Oh, and in typical Stalkeye fashion, glad to hear that he's rotting away via chronic form of Leukemia. Any last words, Mr. Mein Kampt?

  • April 16, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Oh, not to mention that he's a pedophile.

    by Stalkeye

    Sick bastard.

  • April 16, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You're welcome and cheers. Yeah, Derbyshire has a long track record of his own particular brand of foolishness. Shame on conservatives for giving him the free pass he enjoyed all these years. Funny how they stay relatively silent about these true racist/bigots in their own camp while trying to pen false narratives around people like Maher. The hypocrisy is magnificent.

  • April 16, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    little man, u just answered ur own question...

    by jay2517

    watch his show. u can see all the evidence u want. unless u cant afford HBO?

  • this is fact. i have provided numerous examples yet u still hopelessly cling to the idiotic *false narrative* defense. u remind me of the coward Olbermann. every time a progressive would get caught red handed being exactly what they protest against, Olby would cry out- *thats a false equivalency" blah blah blah. why do u continue to defend a bigoted, misogynist, homophobic racist? u speak of hypocrisy yet engage in it. AICN progressives are truly baffling bunch lol...

  • And your defensive use of "lol" is very telling... If defending an asshole like Maher is what you think I'm doing, then it's because you have failed to provide any sort of convincing evidence that he is a "bigoted, misogynist, homophobic racist". Not once have you ever provided a certifiable example that any of this is the case (See the long history of conservative John Derbyshire to know the difference). Just saying it and wishing it doesn't make it true; you have to show your work. But if you're going to bring up the frivolous lawsuit again, then you'll have to excuse me while I let out a hearty gut-laugh. I've already schooled you on that topic many, many Talkbacks ago. You look like a desperate meme-peddlar bringing that weak sauce up again. What's funnier is that even an asshat like I am the Terminator (!) can state the blatantly obvious and make you look even more foolish than you already do. Nevermind the fact that he also nailed you on your insinuation that Maher is gay. WTF, dude? I'm sorry that Bill Maher pops your taco and doesn't carry your brand of political water. To continually paint a false narrative about him is truly pathetic. But that's what you smear-merchants do when you've been embarrassed by your own political ilk. You actually go out of your way to create a false equivalency in order to excuse your own and, by doing so, cloud the overall debate. (Guess what? You don't need that sanctimonious blowhard, Keith Olbermann, to see it for what it is.) You really are a ponderous asshole, Jay-bell. I pity you.

  • thats not my fault. all i can do is provide the facts. its up to u whether u accept them. facts are NOT supposed to be *convincing*. they're facts. obviously, u willfully choose to ignore them. ur loss. also, i havent painted any *false narrative*. ITS WHO THE FUCKER IS. this is irrefutable fact. how did little man *nail me* in my insinuation of Maher? i wasnt trying to hide anything. he shows the classic signs of being a closeted gay man with his extreme homophobia being one big sign. again, i wasnt being subtle about it. ur logic is pretty freaking asinine, to say the least. but, im used to it. *You really are a ponderous asshole, Jay-bell.* and ur a typical pretentious douchebag. FUCK YOU. oh yea, how exactly is my lol *defensive and telling*?? u idiot fuckers make me laugh. thats it lol. see? BTW- how can u pity a stud like me? im cool as hell...

  • April 16, 2012, 10:33 p.m. CST

    On Fringe.. I hate last episode. Lazy writing.

    by happybunni

    I hate hate hate when there's some big mystery that has just been solved, Broyles being the mole. And all the work they put into solving it doesn't matter, because Broyles turned himself in anyway. When shows do that it's just lazy ass writing!

  • because he has no ability to communicate like a human being - just pontificate and insult- how fucked up is that? Normal for him- he is just looking to fight with people- simple - same shit every Friday- what a fucking bore

  • April 17, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST

    which personality are u today, mcgoo?

    by jay2517

    its looking like the typical hypocritical progressive personality to me. case in point- *...he has no ability to communicate like a human being - just pontificate and insult...* this wonderful hypocrisy was said after mcgoo put this in his headline- *jay2517 this asshole in a nutshell...* LOL!!! im mean seriously, u cant make this shit up! what a bore indeed...