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Some Bastards Have Seen A Lot Of PROMETHEUS Footage!!

 

Merrick here...

...calling your attention to a Telegraph article covering a special screening of a buncha footage from Ridley Scott's PROMETHEUS.  

There are a number of interesting pseudo-spoilery plot points revealed in the piece...nothing too terribly revealing, but hints of minutiae which folks wanting to know nothing about the film might consider "SPOILERish."  One detail appears to answer definitively which non-Earth world the picture happens on, pointing to one of PROMETHEUS' possible-to-probable connections to 1979's ALIEN.  As for when this connection is established in the story?  

For Scott the starting-point - how the big bone creature from Alien came to be there - became less and less important as the new movie took over, or, as he says, "adjusted itself into much larger questions". The origin story ended up "barely in its DNA" - the last seven minutes provide the link. He worked on it design-first, persuading Fox to spend some money blueprinting the entire visual scheme of the film before a script was green-lit. It's his first feature in 3D, but he bats away the idea that this posed any particular headaches. "It's not brain surgery. It's actually pretty straightforward."

You can find more HERE, including interesting descriptions of Charlize Theron and Michael Fassbender's characters.  

PROMETHEUS opens 8 June.  

 

 

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  • Inquiring minds NEED 2 KNOW.

  • April 10, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST

    I adore ridley Scott's attitude about 3D.

    by gotilk

    Seriously.... he gets it. And I'm sure he nails it and makes *Avatar* look like *L'arrivée d'un train en gare de La Ciotat (Train Pulling into a Station). Loved Avatar, but still. You know it to be true.

  • April 10, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    HEY HARRY

    by ryan

    this here be a REAL article on REAL footage from the REAL movie. CAN YA BELIEVE IT!?

  • April 10, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Bleeding Cool...

    by Cagliostro

    Has a much better description of said footage.

  • I don't know what our jobs are but everything is high tech and has that worn Star Wars look to it. We come across this gigantic thing that upon closer inspection is a ship that appears white. But once we get closer it's revealed that the entire ship is made of some sort of transparent material like glass and given the size of it, it only appears to be white until you get close to it and which point you can see all of the inner workings. EVERYTHING is see through. The outer hull, the walls, wires, tubes, everything. The ship is adrift and there’s no power readings so the crew goes aboard. There’s this dizzying feeling once were inside and you can see through the floor all the way down to the bottom of the ship which is miles long. We finally come across what look like thousands of sarcophagus’ and each of them has a dead alien inside. The aliens themselves are also translucent; skin, muscles, organs, everything. After searching the ship we come across no life signs and can’t figure out how to turn the power on, nor can we find any explanation for the aliens deaths. All the while I keep seeing things moving out of the corner of my eye. I don’t know what it is but I get the feeling that something is watching us. I’ve had this same dream ever since I was a kid and I don’t know why.

  • April 10, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Interesting article.

    by KilliK

    Let's hope this movie will surprise us and really be a scifi masterpiece.

  • April 10, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST

    creepythinmanlives

    by gotilk

    That's seriously fascinating. Would be amazing to see visualized on film.

  • April 10, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Bleeding Cool got some important facts wrong though

    by Karl Hungus

    The film starts off in 2089 and continues in 2093. Bleeding Cool is a decade off. At least they fixed their error about the planet's designation, which is now, officially, LV-223.

  • April 10, 2012, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Mice?

    by jamesonian

    Yes, mice. Vote Adlai Stevenson.

  • http://www.empireonline.com/empireblogs/empire-states/post/p1219

  • April 10, 2012, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Ancient Aliens: The Movie

    by Larry Sellers

    Kidding. Really excited for this.

  • April 10, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST

    What's your opinion on the cinema experience then

    by Watch Withweeman

    https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/yourcinemaexperience Less people year on year are going to the cinema.Take the survey and let me know what you think cinemas are doing well and what they could be doing better to get audiences back.Thanks guys.

  • April 10, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Needs more feline solution!

    by Amazing Maurice

  • April 10, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Great dream Creepy

    by smudgewhat

    I have lots of space and sci fi dreams. I've dreamt whole intricate crazy plots for unfilmed Trek movies. (Yep, gotta accept some geek on that.) One of my fave dreams is where I'm literally a single particle falling through an atmosphere and clouds.

  • April 10, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST

    I'm feline fine after Harry's script review

    by unparanoid_android

    I'm going to Planet Zues to look at Scott's notes

  • "Hey gang, Harry here - I know some of you are upset that I reviewed that obviously fake PROMETHEUS script that takes place on the planet Zeus just to drum up some site traffic - but let me explain. First of all, most of the stuff we report on here at AICN is usually about two weeks old - and we don't check any of it before posting - I have a DVD column to work on EVERY WEEK and that shit's demanding - do you have any idea how hard it is to masturbate to Japanese Blu-ray pron when you have to bury your entire fist under your belly to just find your own penis? Okay, some of you do. Fair enough. Second - how long have you been coming to this site now? Ten years? Give years? Do you remember the last time we "broke" a story about a leaked script, pblished spy photoes no one else had already pblished two weeks ago on Empire or even had news you haven't already read on your AOL Entertainment? If I were to post a review of the actual PROMETHEUS script - well, let's just say - no more HOBBIT set reports for you, Soup Nazi! We're an entertaiment site. That means Amazon links. Do criminals have Amazon links? No. We're not criminals. We pay taxes. Some times you just have to roll with the changes vato. Look, when I was eight years old, Fathergeek would take me on a Lear jet to Ridley Scott's house - when your eight years old and you love ALIEN as much as I do, Ridley Scott is magic. I had a 13 inch Kenner Alien doll clutched in my fat little hand - it was sticky from Ho-Ho frosting - and my hand-written "ALIEN ON MARS" screenplay in my other hand - it was also sticky. I was nervous - if Ridley Scott didnt read my script, what would I do? Fortunately, Ridley Scott turned out to be a cool guy. He read my script - it was set on Mars and Alien fought John Carter - because John Carter is the big hairy fist sticking into the stink creamy vagina that is science fiction - and we ate Chinese food. It was British Chinese food of course, so it had mice in it - but I didn't care - Ridley-fucking-Scott was READING MY SCRIPT AND MAKING MY ALIEN DOLL FACE RAPE A BARBIE!!! Afterwards, we laughed and Ridley Scott told me I should never write a screenplay again. Then he showed us the secret blueprints for a little film he was about to shoot called "BLADE RUNNER". So as you can see, I have a lot of history with ALIEN and PROMETHEUS - and while I love reading fake scripts - even if this particular fake script had the Space Jockey team up with a time-traveling Hudson from ALIENS and shoot astronaughts with machine guns - lets just say, NO REAL LEAKED SCRIPT REVIEWS! I'll be back soon after I get my blood changed!"

  • April 10, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    ooooh... yeah...

    by gotilk

    If you're going to do that kind of thing.... try to make it funny. That'll work better for you next time. Yeeeesh. Ouch.

  • April 10, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Well, I didn't write it and I laughed.

    by reflecto

  • April 10, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    See, that's just it.

    by gotilk

    I read a lot of stuff here that makes me laugh my ass off. I might think the talkbacker who wrote it is an asshole. But it's still funny. It needs to be at least..... that.

  • April 10, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST

    I don't remember my dreams anymore

    by Jaster Mareel

    I remember when I was in a stressful period I had nightmares and would wake up in a sweat. Fucked up stuff junior, let me tell you. But things are going good for me now. I make $48,000/year drive a 2011 Rav4, which fucking rocks and I have the son I've always wanted. Things are good. They're not perfect, but they're very good. Now sure, I could whine and say nobody has bought my Iraq script and I'm not spelunking Jessica Alba's nether-regions and I don't live in a fucking castle.....but that's ok. Bottom line, Ridley Scott is making an Alien prequel and it looks far more amazing than I could ever dare to dream. The fucking AVENGERS movie is coming out in a few weeks. Seriously, somebody pinch me!

  • April 10, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    I wonder how long before

    by donkey_lasher

    some members tell some shit jokes regarding fake scripts.....

  • Prometheus lands on LV-223. Fact. A space jockey craft crashes on LV-223. Almost certainly confirmed fact from the trailers - I don't think they planet-hop before then. I somehow doubt that craft is getting up again after that crash. Thus, another space jockey craft either lands or crashes within the Zeta II Reticuli system, on LV-426. What happens?

  • April 10, 2012, 11:58 a.m. CST

    wrath_of_fett, I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE DOING WELL!!! I HEART YOU!!!FACT!!!

    by CreepyThinMan

  • April 10, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST

    I have this sinking feeling that Weyland is the big twist here.

    by Ironhelix

    It's been said before, and I didn't give it much thought at the time, but it sounds like this whole movie is going to be about Weyland's search for immortality. Disappointing.

  • it already has, in its naming of the android character. It continues the alphabetic progression: Ash in ALIEN, Bishop in ALIENS, Call in ALIEN RESURRECTION, and now David in PROMETHEUS.

  • April 10, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST

    @marineboy

    by berserkrl

    I took the significance of the sequence to be extradiegetic, not diegetic -- i.e. it's for the audience. I didn't mean that they were naming all the androids in that universe in alphabetic sequence; it's just the ones we meet. (Like the relation between the two sword scenes in the Indiana Jones movies, the second of which is diegetically before the first.)

  • April 10, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Reflecto, I agree

    by Patrick Pettay

    The Space Jockey ship has to be the connection between this movie and Alien. Otherwise the SJ ship crashing on LV 426 would have to happen independantly from the Prometheus story. Scott said the connection occurs in the last 7 minutes of the film. Perhaps the SJ ship with it's proto-Alien bio-technology already activated takes off from LV-223, is rammed by the Prometheus, but only damaged. Meanwhile the Prometheus is destroyed, killing the whole crew and ending the story there. Prologue- The SJ ship limps through space and then crashes on LV-426 and that begins the Alien storyline.

  • April 10, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Acknowledging the post-1979 films:

    by buggerbugger

    Planet designation LV-blahblahblah originated in 'Aliens'. Do we really need new films to give their 'canon blessing' in the form of fannish nods to each and every entry in a series? If so, I hope that new 'Star Trek, Too' [sic] references every preceding movie and series. Series? I did, of course, mean every preceding **episode**. Just in case The One With The Black And White Guys or The One With The Gay Planet no longer 'counts'.

  • April 10, 2012, 12:41 p.m. CST

    OK so maybe some survive

    by Patrick Pettay

    But they are still marooned on a desolate planet and wont last long. The main idea is the human story of the Prometheus crew ends on LV-223. That also explains why the Nostromo does not find any other wreckage next to the SJ ship on LV426.

  • Yup, seems that way. We've seen the story that pans out from the discovery of alien eggs on LV-426, now Scott is giving Fox the chance to run with a new ongoing story about what follows in the aftermath of Space Jockey 2's crash on LV-223? A new site of alien eggs just waiting to be stumbled upon? If so, he's given the studio a way of restarting the 'Alien' series without actually restarting it with a (shitty) remake.

  • The final season of Lost. Never forget. Not even the writer of sci-fi masterpiece the Darkest Hour (there aliens... electric aliens) can fix that. That they keep making it out like this movie is its own thing and only the very end ties into Alien does really inspire me considering their history (might get lucky making an Alien movie, their own unique original sci-movie... uh oh).

  • April 10, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    The important question, do they have a cat?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Feline survivor is the core story.

  • Like the island. Perhaps to LV-426's location. It would make sense that they have a bothed mission and Weyland maintains a hard on for whatever it can dig up later. And then you get the wake up call to check out the distress signal in Alien.

  • April 10, 2012, 1 p.m. CST

    Oh crap, is the crew of the Prometheus already dead?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    NOOOOOOOOOO!!! Alien Purgatory!!!

  • to have the Prometheus crew interact with the SJ ship and perhaps kickstart the Alien development. Then the same SJ ship has to travel to LV 426, crash and wait for the Nostromo to move things forward. Otherwise if the SJ ship on LV-426 was a completely different ship (similar design different pilot) that coincidentially crashes on a similar planet, the actions of the Prometheus crew would have no tie in to Alien at all.

  • April 10, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Cool BTS link in the comments of the article

    by Con Shonnery

    Some great BTS shots here http://www.zen171398.zen.co.uk/Alien.html That model of Nostromo is huge!

  • April 10, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Movie of the year

    by performingmonkey

    You know it. I know it.

  • April 10, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    @reflecto

    by berserkrl

    You really think it's a coincidence? That seems hard to believe. The sequence A-B-C-D is not exactly random.

  • April 10, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST

    @berserkrl

    by Le Vicious Fishus

    Either that on one end or ROBIN HOOD in space on the other.

  • April 10, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    re: "Then the same SJ ship has to travel to LV 426, crash and...

    by buggerbugger

    ...wait for the Nostromo to move things forward. Otherwise if the SJ ship on LV-426 was a completely different ship (similar design different pilot) that coincidentially crashes on a similar planet, the actions of the Prometheus crew would have no tie in to Alien at all." Could the Space Jockey ship that crashes on LV-426 be a rescue vessel that responds to a signal sent out by the Jockey ship on LV-223? The 426 Jockey surveys the wreckage, transfers the newly-morphed alien eggs onto his own vessel and is happily speeding his way home when he gets attacked by a facehugger? It has to be two separate Space Jockey vessels and crash sites, doesn't it? We're not seeing Shaw and the Prometheus crew on LV-426 when the Jockey ship starts tumbling toward them in the trailer, are we? That's presumably on LV-223. Or we're seeing some of those "last 7 minutes" that tie this into 'Alien'.

  • April 10, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    WHO CARES.

    by KilliK

  • April 10, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Scratchmonkey, I had forgotten about the chestburster

    by Patrick Pettay

    on the 426 jockey. So how about this. 1. The Prometheus crew travels to LV-223 and while exploring finds the space jockey ship buried under the large pyramid type mountain. 2. They discover the cannisters of God knows what and start fucking around with them, resulting in some transformations to the crew. 3. David the android is morphed into a new Space Jockey. 4. The alien bio-technology is discovered or started and the Space Jockey/David (perhaps under orders from Weyland) wants to return to earth with it. The ship lifts off destroying the mountain above it in a massive special effects shot. 5. The Prometheus crew know how dangerous this would be to Earth and try to stop the ship by crashing into it. Destroying the Prometheus and damaging the SJ ship. So the Human story ends on LV-223 6. The SJ ship makes it out to space but the Jockey is attacked by a facehugger rendering the pilot unconscious and as a result the SJ ship crashes on LV426. The alien that emerges from the Jockey is a Queen who lays her eggs inside the SJ ship.

  • April 10, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST

    The sequel will be titled: PROMETHEUSES

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    You heard it hear first!

  • April 10, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST

    @dickwhitman

    by buggerbugger

    Sounds about right, from the various bits and bobs I've seen online. However, I'm still unsure where the bit in the trailer showing the rolling/crashing Jockey ship falling toward the Prometheus crew would be taking place, IYO. In your fifth point? How does the Jockey ship recover from that huge destructive-looking roll its doing (on LV-223, in your theory?) in order for it to then take off and eventually crash on LV-426? That's the bit that has me - and presumably reflecto? - thinking there are two Jockey ships and two crash sites rather than a single ship crashing, um, twice in rapid succession on two different planets?

  • April 10, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Empire mag saw it too and wrote a nice piece on it

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    Mildly spoilerish, but Empire are good at not being cunts about things like this http://www.empireonline.com/empireblogs/empire-states/post/p1219

  • April 10, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Fifth point?

    by buggerbugger

    I did, of course, mean fourth point.

  • April 10, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST

    @ reflecto

    by Valaquen

    Afterwards, we laughed and Ridley Scott told me I should never write a screenplay again.

  • April 10, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST

    A-B-C-D...........Z=Zues!

    by jellypop

    That's a lot of androids to get through before the ending. I have NEVER understood why every instalment has had one. I thought Joss Whedon was taking the piss when Call was revealed in Alien: Resurrection. My introduction to the series was Aliens and then so on and so forth. I Love the series but I just don't see the point of these bloody robots!

  • April 10, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Might have to see this in 3D...FACT! Did I do it right?

    by Mistahtibbs

    Did I?

  • April 10, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Just watched the trailer a few more times

    by Patrick Pettay

    and it does indeed look like the SJ ship crashes as a result of the impact with the Prometheus. But are they on LV-223 or LV-426 when this ocurs?? OK, I am giving up. My head hurts.

  • April 10, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST

    @jellypop

    by berserkrl

    I have NEVER understood why every instalment has had one.

  • April 10, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST

    @jellypop

    by berserkrl

    Argh, let's try that again.

  • April 10, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST

    @jellypop

    by berserkrl

    I have NEVER understood why every instalment has had one.

  • April 10, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST

    @jellypop

    by berserkrl

    Argh again! I was trying to quote your "I have NEVER understood why every instalment has had one" and then reply with "None in Alien3." I thought using single quote-marks would do it. No such luck.

  • April 10, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    You can have your 3-D, just don't stop making 2-D versions.

    by IronEagle74

    That's all I ask. Most of the people who think every damn movie should be 3-D are children who don't care about story and acting. They just want fast moving CGI eye candy.

  • April 10, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Ridley Scott says MPAA need to get their house in order.

    by MENTALDOMINANCE

    http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/ridley-scott-says-mpaa-needs-to-get-their-house-in-order-does-this-mean-pg-13-rating-for-prometheus-20120410 RIDLEY - WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TRYING FOR PG-13 FOR?!?! Don't be a fucking idiot. Haven't the studios fucked your films enough by tinkering with them?!?!! R or nothing. Or grow balls and do NC-17. It worked for SHAME. Fuck the MPAA. Even the Weinsteins don't cater to them anymore after the BULLY fiasco. STUDIOS - IT IS POSSIBLE TO GET OUT FROM UNDER THE MPAA UMBRELLA!

  • April 10, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    I Can't Wait For This Movie!

    by Real Deal

    Scott is one of the best film makers alive today and he's returning not only to SF but a film that connects to that first film in 1979. This is the best news for SF fans in years and probably will be the SF film event of the year. Can't wait!

  • April 10, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST

    The Crash

    by Jaster Mareel

    It's pretty clear the Prometheus is rammed into the SJ ship and that ship crashes on LV-426. As for the LV-223 connection, they just went there because that's where the sign told them to go. Obviously that's not the barren planet shown to us in the first 2 Alien films. *It was actually called Archeron in the original Alien script but since it was never actually named in the film, Cameron changed it to LV-426.* No, LV-223 is where the SJ ship comes from. It is then rammed by Prometheus and lands on LV-426. Now why the fuck the crew is on LV-426 when this happens is the big mystery.

  • ...But are they on LV-223 or LV-426 when this ocurs??" Well, I've been (rightly or wrongly) assuming that the rolling/crashing Space Jockey ship we see is the same one we see standing on end elsewhere in the trailer, with its 'horns' facing upward. So, at some point, this Jockey ship takes off, but gets rammed by the Prometheus and it then crashes back to LV-223's surface and rolls toward Shaw and whoever else is there at the time? So we've got a Jockey ship crashing on LV-223 and... I'm unsure where the LV-426 derelict fits in at all. Unless, as I was guessed earlier in the talkback, it's a second ship that's sent to investigate the LV-223 crash? Now that I think about it... don't we see a Jockey ship in an upward position **and** lying on its belly in some kind of gigantic hanger? Could that be two different ships? The original one, lying flat to the ground, as discovered by the Prometheus crew within the big building wotsit - and the one standing upright could actually be showing us a second Jockey ship after it's touched down on LV-223 near the end of the movie?

  • April 10, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST

    The Rating

    by Jaster Mareel

    I don't give a fuck what the rating is. I'm totally fine with PG-13. The unrated Blu-ray is the only one anyone's going to remember anyway. When's the last time you watched the theatrical cut of a film that's come out in an unrated version after the fact?

  • April 10, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST

    PARENTS ARE THE PROBLEM!

    by MENTALDOMINANCE

    Fucking idiot parents letting their kids watch Sponge Bob all day but they thinking that an R rated film which only tells the truth and shows things how they really are will harm them.

  • April 10, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST

    You're over-complicating it

    by Jaster Mareel

    A ship loaded with fucking eggs is not also a search and rescue ship.. There is ONE ship. It crashes on LV-426. End of line.

  • I don't think they follow the jockeys to LV-426.

  • Stop looking at things so cross-reference. Nothing is as cut and dry as PG-13 defenders attempt to make it. PROMETHEUS is a "hard R film" and anything less is a compromise. As Ridley himself said, the alternate question must be asked and that is if you soften it (censor it), will the film suffer? <--- OF COURSE IT WILL!

  • Many people love Kingdom of Heaven. However... I have friends who hated the theatrical so much they won't even bother with the uncut version. After you have disappointed an audience, releasing a new version of a film they hate will not save it. The idea of censored in theaters and full at home is ludicrous. Make the movie the best it can be for theaters. Why RISK ruining it by censoring it so that 13 year old children can see it?!?! WHAT FUCKING PLANET ARE U FOX IDIOTS LIVING ON!?!?!

  • Phew!

  • ...the "archaeological sites around the world all showing the same pictogram" plot point is just so 1994 Emmerich and hacky as hell.

  • Before this news I suspected that perhaps a cataclysm would transform LV-426's landscape and atmosphere into this hellish place it has become in Alien, but as it happens, Prometheus doesn't take place on LV-426.

  • April 10, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST

    reflecto: The article says nothing about LV-223 being breatheable.

    by MENTALDOMINANCE

  • And the new footage discussed in the article is speculatory. Where does he say they can breathe? It's mentioned that the planet is not as harsh, that's all.

  • April 10, 2012, 4:58 p.m. CST

    THAT'S AMAZING, CREEPYTHINMAN...

    by Astronut

    I like that dream, I like how it sounds. That shit would make for an amazing, balls-out kick-ass visual for a ship. All see-through. Being inside something like that -- in space -- would be like standing in the mouth of madness.

  • April 10, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Day-um I can't wait for this FREAKING MOVIE!!!

    by Astronut

    I will say I do not agree with making Ridley's film PG-13 if it is supposed to be R. I mean, if the artist's vision, if his intent is altered to sell more tickets then I just hate that. ESPECIALLY in the case of THIS film. We have been waiting for more than 35 YEARS for Sir Ridley to re-visit the ALien universe in some capacity... and here we are, mere weeks away from seeing him do just that! I really really hope that somehow this film wasn't compromised. I want to see the real deal, as put together by Ridley. Not some neutered, studio-dictated cut. Fuck. I guess I should be thankful that I am at least getting what I'm getting, which is better than getting nothing at all. (sigh) You just know damn well this is gonna be PG-13. You just know it. Greedy Hollywood studio fuckers.

  • April 10, 2012, 5:18 p.m. CST

    There is another ship seen in the trailer...

    by Aragorn742

    At the beginning of the latest trailer as the camera rises over a waterfall, you can see a large ship moving overhead. Seeing the shape of this, it isn't the Prometheus or the Derelict. Maybe that ship has something to do with the connection between planets LV-223 and LV-426...

  • April 10, 2012, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Here's a question about ALIEN, that is never brought up.

    by Nick

    In the end, Ripley and the Alien are in the escape ship. She grabs a harpoon gun of some sorts... and opens the door. The Alien is holding on, and Ripley shoots it with the harpoon. The Alien's chest is punctured, and it flies out of the door. The door shuts, just as the gun reaches it, causing the Alien to hang behind the ship like someone water skiing. Okay, considering the biology of the Alien, and it's ACID FOR BLOOD, that can eat through 3 floors of a ship in seconds. HOW THE HELL DID THE HOOK AND CABLE NOT MELT OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How is it possible, that the Alien could be dangling behind the ship? The grappling hook should have melted away...

  • April 10, 2012, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Full audio and transcript of the Q&A

    by Mister McClane

    You can hear the whole thing here http://www.filmchronicles.com

  • April 10, 2012, 5:33 p.m. CST

    @berserkrl

    by jellypop

    I may be a little late back to you.... Bishop 2 or II featured@ the end of Alien 3 when Ripley took her high dive. I think his reaction was "Noooooooooooooo!" I think his ear was hanging off at that point just to bring it home. Ahem.

  • April 10, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST

    natalieportmansyummyafterbirth........

    by Astronut

    (can't believe I just typed that...) Anyway, okay I hear you. But the first thing I thought of was this: By the time the hook/attachment and/or cable could be "melted or disintegrated or what have you, Ripley hit the throttle and tore it up... My guess is, the acid would have taken more than just a few seconds to completely destroy the metal. That's how I see it.

  • April 10, 2012, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Regarding PG-13 vs R

    by nWolf

    Blame the fuckers who are dowloading movies instead of the director & the studio who only wants a profit of this type of 200 mill spectacle. Everyone ramblin bout this seems to miss this. We can only blame ourselves. Don't get me wrong, i prefer a R-rated Prometheus, but people really should grow up and see the big picture.

  • April 10, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST

    @npyab-I'm not typing the whole thing!

    by jellypop

    The hook was made my Prof. Zues at Mind Grain industries and was coated with Feline solution, therefore making it acid proof. That's what ties up EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

  • April 10, 2012, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Assumptions about the 'derelict' ship.

    by Hugh G Rekshun

    I've noticed that many people (on many different movie forums) are making the huge assumption that the derelict ship on LV-426 has anything to do with Prometheus. Given what we've seen in the trailers/commercials (and what Scott has said), I suspect that there will be no reference to that ship. I'm convinced that the ship seen in trailers is not the same as the one in Alien/Aliens...just the same TYPE of ship used by the SJ's. Ridley Scott has already discussed the possibility of a sequel to Prometheus. So, if this movie concluded with the derelict crash on LV-426, there would nowhere left to go with it. Also, the ship on LV-426 was supposed to have been there a very long time (thousands of years, perhaps)...and the events in Prometheus only occur about 40 years prior to those in Alien. Now, each of these ideas might not hold a lot of water on their own, but in totality, they make for an interesting argument.

  • April 10, 2012, 7:05 p.m. CST

    LV-223?

    by John C. Croker

    We just got the information straight from script that the planet is named "Zues".

  • April 10, 2012, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Zues!! is the new Psych!!

    by Astronut

  • Including the most recent blu-ray set. Don't pretend piracy is destroying the movie industry. If they make more quality products, people will come.

  • April 10, 2012, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Apropos

    by Ditch Brodie

    http://tinyurl.com/d5wvdhb

  • April 10, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST

    mattman... you call yourself an alien fan?

    by Nick

    I own Original VHS copies of both Alien and Aliens Hard to fine trilogy boxset of Alien, Aliens and Alien 3: The making of The Alien Trilogy Boxset or Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 Aliens: Directors Cut VHS Aliens: Laserdisc Alien: Laserdisc Alien 3: Laserdisc Alien Quad DVD Box Set Alien Quad ALIEN HEAD Box Set Alien Legacy DVD set Alien Anthology Blu Ray Set Alien Anthology Blu Ray Egg Edition Hardbound copy of Dan O'Bannon's Alien script, signed Hardbound Revised script of Alien, signed by Giler, and Hill and a letter from Dan O'Bannon telling me he will NOT sign that draft of Alien. Hardbound script of Alien II by James Cameron Hardbound script of Aliens, by James Camerson, signed by him, and Hurd Copies of Alien 3... scripts by David Twohy, Gibson, Ward, Red Final Alien 3 Script, based on Wards ideas and rewritten by Hill and Giler Alien Ressurection, Whedon's draft Alien Ressurection, final draft, signed by Sigorney and Ryder... And you call yourself a fucking fan

  • I'm confident with mine, though. Don't need to whip it out here. Was merely setting nwolf straight.

  • April 10, 2012, 8:07 p.m. CST

    yep... it's one mighty fine dick...

    by Nick

  • April 10, 2012, 9:15 p.m. CST

    natalieportmansyummyafterbirth: another explanation for hook in Alien

    by Monroville

    Maybe it got lodged in it's rib cage and did not pierce it's body.

  • April 10, 2012, 10:21 p.m. CST

    ok, it's ACHERON, not aRcheron

    by Aquanaut

    acheron being the river of pain in hades. pronounced ACKeron. and when they say *link*..how do we know they're talking about what leads to the derelict in A L I E N? for all we know, it could just be the origin of the xenomorphs. just because the derelict in alien may not be a ship that we see in prometheus, does not mean that the actions of the prometheus crew won't have any consequences that tie into alien. it just means that it's not going to be an A leads directly to B kind of relationship. as karl pointed out, the chamber with the eggs on acheron seems too large to be a part of the derelict. it seems as though the derelict is docked with whatever is holding the eggs. but while we're speculating...it would be interesting if the chamber holding the eggs is actually a part of the large ship as aragorn742 pointed out...and that ship was buried over time.

  • April 10, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST

    The inevitability of time travel

    by EleanorofAquitaine

    Think back to Guy Pearce in the TED video, where he says something along the lines of how we achieved fusion in the "first decade" of the 21st century. Really? Not in the first decade I lived through. Time travel is inevitable.

  • April 10, 2012, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Time travel is impossible, and for reasons

    by Teddy Artery

    that I am utterly unable to explain.

  • April 10, 2012, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Mattman

    by nWolf

    I mean "we" like in the average Joe who doesn't give a fuck about fancy bluray-sets or if the movie is set on LV-426 or LV-XXX. I'm just stating a obvious fact that all ignorant morons seems to ignore.

  • April 11, 2012, 12:37 a.m. CST

    dahveed1972

    by EleanorofAquitaine

    Agree that time travel has been done to death, but either the Ridley Scott team made a mistake in the TED video (which is sort of hard to believe of a perfectionist) or else we are being pointed towards time travel.

  • April 11, 2012, 4:10 a.m. CST

    IF I

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

  • April 11, 2012, 4:14 a.m. CST

    IF I HAD A TIME MACHINE

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    THE FIRST THING ID DO IS GO BACK IN TIME AND WARN HARRY ABOUT THE BITCH ASS FAKE PROMETHEUS SCRIPT. BECAUSE IM TIRED OF ALL YOU BITCHES ON THE RAG BLEEDING ON MY CARPET WHINING ABOUT IT! FACT111

  • April 11, 2012, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Truth

    by TheDesolateOne

    Weyland isn't dead. He is very old, but not dead. He wants immortality. This is what he wants to steal from the "gods".

  • April 11, 2012, 5:17 a.m. CST

    The myth

    by EleanorofAquitaine

    @thedesolateone. Think of the myth of Prometheus. The punishment for stealing fire is to have your liver devoured...endlessly. If Weyland wants to steal immortality (agree with you) then what is the punishment of the gods? Is it to suffer an endless cycle of Weyand's desire? Is mankind condemned to constantly relive the cycle of civilisation, leading to exploration, leading to hubris, leading to Weyland's indulgent desire for immortality? Are the beasts that devour Prometheus's liver the xenomorphs? Have I had too much medication?

  • April 11, 2012, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Giger's Alien 1979 documentary

    by Ivor Heath

    For anyone who hasn't caught it here's the 1979 Japanese documentary on Giger's work on Alien, it's a bit 70s and a bit shonky but features some great behind the scenes footage including the late Peter Voysey sculpting the original Space Jockey and derelict out of polystyrene blocks, old tubing and plasticene. Part 1 of 3 here- http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8hirUE9kwbo

  • April 11, 2012, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Idea on origin of Alien

    by Sniffingchimp

    Just a thought - seeing as Noomi Rapace has been thoroughly disturbed by a particular scene, is she the one to become ultimately infected/bound with some unknown DNA, thus birthing the alien we all know from the original film, a hybrid of human and whatever organism they find in these urns? Would be ridiculous to say she becomes the "Alien queen" but I'm beginning to think this is how it all comes about?

  • April 11, 2012, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Winona's Puntang Juice RE: the Alien's Acid Blood

    by SayNoToRemakes

    I don't know where I heard/read this but Ive always thought the blood of the Alien wasn't acidic until it was exposed to the outside air. Whilst still in the body, the blood would function as, well, ordinary blood/fluid. Which would make sense as a defensive mechanism. At the end of the original Alien film, the creature is injured and ejected into the vacuum of space where it remains. The absence of any type of air prevents the bood from becoming acidic. That's always what I thought anyway...

  • April 11, 2012, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Ridley speaks about new screen footage- expect PG-13

    by Michael Lunney

    You've seen everything you're going to see out of [the TED Talk], but there were some sections of the speech that were trimmed out, just for economics. But there are other viral videos that are going to come out that involve the other characters from the film, with Noomi Rapace and Michael Fassbender. Mine was just the entrée to bigger and better things.

  • That's something I always wondered.

  • April 11, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Wrath of Fett

    by Nick

    Whedon's draft is pretty pretty damn close. It's been a while since I've read it, but from what I can remember... here are the differences The Betty crew had one more member in Whedon's draft... they were combined into the character of Christy There was greenhouse, on the ship. There is a action scene of the group (when they are trying to escape the ship) driving a jeep through this green house, with aliens jumping out of the trees at them. The ending is different. Instead of the newborn we know, Whedon came up with one, born the same way.. but was crab like. Crab claw for a head, and was white, with giant red pulsating viens throughout it's body. Ripley, Call, and a few others escape the ship, and land on earth. This is when Ripley fights the newborn. They land by a piece of farming equipment, a harvestor of some type. Ripley and the newborn are fighting atop that, when Ripley turns on the harvestor, and shreds the newborn. I'm sure there are other small differences, but those are the big ones. I hated Whedon's approach, all the dialouge, specially Ripley's, was to "Whedon". I understand she is a clone, but the attitude and dry humor she had, was to jarring. He should have taken her "alien traits" further, IMO... but he basically made Alien 4 - Firefly Zero.

  • Glad we can put the last nail in that coffin. Hard to tell if his was actually worse because I know Juenet put in his own brand of weirdness and of course Whedon's script wouldn't have accounted for the casting of Dan Hedaya. For teh record I mostly enjoyed Resurrection and thought it took the franchise in an interesting direction, albeit it too cartoony, particularly the dialogue, which I always blamed Whedon for. Although everything we've seen of Avengers has been fantastic...I do worry about his signature snark pervading it throughout.

  • April 11, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST

    This is what's wrong with most films coming out today:

    by Kremzeek

    They don't do THIS anymore: "[Ridley Scott put forth effort] persuading Fox to spend some money blueprinting the entire visual scheme of the film before a script was green-lit." Do ya think that *might* be important for epic scale type films? Thank you, Sir Scott! I realize not every film was done this way, but I can tell you without question things used to be prepped ahead of time MUCH more often than they are now. Now, it usually goes something like this: 1) Cool idea is seen by some studio suit (usually a property that already has a built-in audience to play it "safe"). 2) Said suit decides his studio needs to cash in on the property ASAP. 3) Everything gets greenlit without a single word written or a single name attached. 4) The studio scrambles to scrap together something that sort of resembles a script in format. 5) Movie is released to all of the morons... I mean, movie-going public that wouldn't know quality entertainment from their own asses. 6) Seven more sequels and two reboots are greenlit for no reason. My negativity aside, I'm REALLY looking forward to this! This summer is a geek's dream - and I'm most pumped up about Prometheus. The movie looks amazing!

  • April 11, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST

    on Fox...

    by Nick

  • The point is, Whedon had something specific in script form in mind and some key changes fucked it to the point he near dissowned it. For some script writers its a bit like Jenga sometimes you bitches, get that through your lame King Alien skulls. Much peace and love though. Oh and chill the fuck out about the rating. It sounds like Ridleys fighting all he can to get a 'R Rated' release along with the PG-13.

  • April 11, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Whedon's Alien Resurrection script

    by lv_426

    I was discussing this with killik and alienfanatic in that crazy Prometheus script thread. Yes, Whedon's script is partly to blame, but Jeunet brought so much weirdness to the thing, and then Fox only wanted the movie as a cash in on the franchise in the first place. Alien 3 may not have been the greatest sequel ever, but it at least ended the Ripley arc with some purpose and dignity. Now, in Whedon's defense, he had a big challenge in having to bring back a dead Ripley and the aliens via some sort of company entity for Alien Resurrection. So right there no matter what you do, you are pretty much stuck with some sort of regeneration or cloning of some kind. Both for Ripley, and for the Alien, as it was up until now firmly established that the derelict and all its eggs were destroyed when the Hadley's Hope atmosphere processor went kaboom. If Jim Cameron or Sir Ridley had produced or directed Alien Resurrection, it might have gotten a chance to be good. At the very least, they would have had the script rewritten a bit to focus it into fitting with the style and tone of the previous Alien films. They also would have probably brought in Giger to do some new designs, like the newborn for example. Now, if Fox wanted to restart the Alien franchise again, they should have created a set of brand new characters, and thus a new story arc for another Alien trilogy. They falsely believed that the entire success of the Alien films was Ripley. While yes, Sigourney's great performances were one of the major ingredients, with the upcoming Prometheus buzzing like crazy, it is obvious that fans will accept the notion of going back into the Alien mythos with new characters. The sad thing is that Fox did this anyways, with AvP. It is clear that Fox has no idea what to really do with the Alien franchise, and they didn't since Alien 3 onwards. I first blame Giler and Hill for having such an elitist prick attitude towards William Gibson's Alien III script. Then after they shat on that, they just groped around in the dark for a new concept and had no idea where to really take the franchise. They didn't even ask Ridley Scott or James Cameron for some ideas, or if they would be interested in being involved in some capacity. Then after all that, we got Alien Resurrection then AvP. The only way we can get proper Alien movies is through Sir Ridley Scott and James Cameron. The Alien saga is the rare case where a popular franchise has been sort of firmly established by two filmmakers instead of one.

  • His ideas... Ripley Clone - Check Ripley being the 8th Clone - Check Firefly Crew - Check Whedon-esque Dialouge - Check Ripley with Alien DNA - Check Alien love scene - Check Alien Queen developing a womb - Check Alien birth New born - Check Whedon's script SUCKED... get over it. He wasn't right for the project... his tone, and style doesn't fit the Alien world... just simple facts. Blame Fox for going after him... but in the end, it was his chose to write it... and 90% of what he wrote, is on the screen. 10% that is missing, is basically "FLUF"

  • April 11, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Also, why did Whedon accept Fox's terms?

    by Nick

    Hey, you want Ripley back... well, let's do this. Alien 3, let's say that was a Hypersleep dream. Aliens ended with Newt going "Can I dream" and Ripley responding "I think we both can". The Christian theme, would fit perfectly into Ripley having ANOTHER Nightmare (remember, she has been known to have those) Or, just tell Fox, the series is called "Alien", not Ripley. Let's go off in a new direction. Explore what the Space Jockey was, or pull a Cameron, and learn MORE about this species... they were brought to LV-426 by another race of creatures... let's explore THAT. But no, we get the dad from Night at the Roxbury, and swiming Aliens...

  • April 11, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST

    I liked AVP so I was pissed when AVP:R was such complete garbage

    by Jaster Mareel

    I still remember when AICN busted that script wide open and told us all the hell we were in for. I also remember Fox responding and saying they had no idea what people were upset about because the script was fucking awesome and they would not deviate from their plans to make it. As a side note, one thing they did remove was that abso-fucking-lutely ridiculous of the big Alien-Predator fight in the SUPER K-MART! I shit you not! But considering how much other excerement they let stay in they probably only cut that for budget reasons. By the way, James Cameron liked AVP as well bitches. He said so on an interview in these very hallowed halls.

  • April 11, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST

    I hope the aliens turn out to be gay

    by Gay_Alan

    It would explain their repressed anger and mouth dick. They don't want to eat you, they want to fuck your butt! Remember, in space no one can hear you scream.

  • April 11, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST

    natalieportmansyummyafterbirth -- Whedon or Jeunet?

    by lv_426

    Yeah, Whedon is definitely part of the problem, but I think he had some good ideas and his script could have been reworked into a much better screenplay to then make the film from. If anything, the studio's insistence on having to have Ripley return really derailed any chance of giving the Alien series a true kick in the pants. Jeunet shoulders a ton of the blame though. A screenwriter can easily be rewritten, but a director has much more clout and leeway to get their way. Fox is the biggest culprit here. Let's face it. They were not willing to explore many other options nor bring in other writers to play with Whedon's script. Then they somehow loved Jeunet's pitch about the wacky bug in the straw opening when they first met with him. Jeunet even said to them that he wasn't really that interested in making the film because he was planning to start working on Amelie soon, and thought they would never choose him anyways. It is funny though, when you look back on Alien 3 and they threw out Gibson's script like it was garbage (it at least changed things up by having Hicks the protagonist and brought in some new additions to the alien lifecycle). Then they had a bunch of other scripts written, basically throwing whatever they had at the wall and seeing what would stick. Compare that with Alien Resurrection. At least with Alien 3 they were ambitious. Of course, the studio didn't support Fincher, yet they were totally supportive of Jeunet. After Aliens, 20th Century Fox fucked up the Alien saga. AvP is evidence of that. They were like drunken drivers at the wheel of the franchise up until the early 2000's when Sir Ridley and Jim Cameron tried to work on a new Alien film, and then drunk old Fox stole the keys again and went on an alcohol fueled joyride that ended up with AvP in its wake. Now Sir Ridley has come back and ripped the keys out of the hands of the drunken Fox. Also, the Alien films lost a lot aesthetically when they threw HR Giger, Ron Cobb, Syd Mead, and Moebius under the bus for less inspired designers and had Tom Woodruff and his pal getting total control over the alien designs in all the post Aliens films. Stan Winston didn't want to come back either. Maybe he had better things to do, or that he didn't want to soil his work on Aliens by being involved with inferior Alien sequels? The only thing that has been consistently of high quality throughout the entire Alien saga (not counting either AvP), would be Sigourney Weaver's excellent performances as Ripley, and the fact that each of the four films had pretty damn awesome musical scores all done by different composers. Yes, Alien Resurrection had a pretty awesome score. Not as great as the other three, but still really good IMO. This same sort of thing, to a lesser degree, has happened with the Terminator franchise as well. No wonder James Cameron doesn't want to touch Terminator or Aliens again. Why would he waste his time with those when the studio will probably fuck it all up anyways? It shouldn't be that way though. Why drive the creator of iconic franchises like these away? Just because of money? Shit, a Cameron directed Terminator would make a shit ton of money. No, let's settle for McG folks. That is why these studios don't have a clue and why Prometheus is sort of a shocking breath of fresh air, and feels almost like a miracle that it even got considered by the studio, let alone made.

  • A film production is a beast with a billion moving parts. It's easy to see in hindsight what elements you don't like, but at the time that same thing is seen through a completely different lens so it's hard to derail it if anyone even saw any problems with it. But then there are reshoots and editing to fix glaring problems. This has worked miracles on many productions, but when they are extensive it's pretty indicative that there is a fly in the ointment. There's just a pervasive problem with teh concept or soem other thread through the film that's bringing it down. One of those examples is Alien 3. Now I like Alien 3 overall, but it certainly was a let-down when it debuted. It came out on my golden birthday and I gather friends and family to go see it with me. I think we were all sort of bewildered and just kind of bumed when it ended. But compare that to the complete fucking shit-show of the first assembly. Yes understand there is an army of people saying it is better than the theaterical edition, but no fuckin' way. It's dumb as fucking hell. Filled to the brim with ridiculous horseshit that I'm sure had Fox burying their collective faces in their hands. I can't rememebr all the details, but I remember it starts off showing Hick's face smashed all to shit in a real =FUCK YOU!= to fans. It also shows teh EEV at least a mile out to sea...then cuts to it on the beach with a team of ox tied to it, insinuating there was actually some possible fucking way they dragged it ashore. Then we see the lice Charles Dance referred to in teh theatrical version. Turns out they are 1" long white crickets! How in the holy fuck are those things going to infest your hair and bush? I remember one scen in particular that really pissed me off. In the theatrical version Charles Dutton's great speech at the funeral was intercut with the dog chest burster. The juxtaposition with life and death was fantastic. in teh assmebly, fincher uses that time to show Golic eating FUCKING CEREAL! The hell is that supposed to mean? Then you've got the prison warden bitching out Charles Dance for letting Ripley go to the morgue for the autopsy becaus an inmate might have seen her. In the VERY NEXT SCENE we see Ripley walk RIGHT NEXT TO the warden as she goes to eat lunch with the inmates. Does he stand up and drag her ass back? Fuck no, he just sits there and watches as Charles Dutten tells her to get the fuck away and sort of insinuates she will get raped if she doesn't. IT MAKES NO SENSE! Then Ripley is going on about how she wants to fucking die and shit (BEFORE she knows about the Queen). Yeah that's nailing her fucking character! Here's another classic example of how fucked up that assembly is. Right after the first attack Dutton says =Let's go to the assembly hall= or somethign like that. They then all go to a 4-way bridge catwalk and talk about a lot odf stupid shit that has nothing to do with the plot. Then Dutton says =Let's go to the furnace room= and the scene picks up from the theatrical edition. Just meaningless bullshit like that. Dutton is constantly jumping up and preaching his bullshit. Then there's the bambi-burster which is laugh-out-loud retarded. It comes out of the gut of an ox in a dumb-assed sock-puppet way that makes it look like a dildo coming at you in threee deeee through a really badly furred dummy ox. We next see it in the airshaft that guy is scraping out and instead of the theatrical version where we saw some dark movement, we can now see itlaying there like a used condom. We also see the guy call it the dog's name and since the dog isn't in the assembly cut, it doesn't really make any sense. And then the ending consists of 85 smashing Lance Henrickson in the face and slicing his fucking ear off. In the theatrical edition he doesn't get that whack in begfore getting tackled so it's like =those fucking Weyland-Yutani bastards!=. Now it's like =Holy shit look at Lance's fucking EAR!= and that of course pollutes the poigniant moment of Ripley jumping into the molten metal, which now has really bad flame effects overlaid. So yeah, the assembly cut of Alien 3 SUCKS FUCKING ASS! Stop fucking deluding yourselves!

  • Barada nikto - keep it up and one of our robots is going to appear

  • April 11, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST

    It sounds like you love some w

    by al

  • April 11, 2012, 2:53 p.m. CST

    I think the alien's body is immune to the acid

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

  • More power to you sister. But I digress... I'm not a big fan in retrospect of the concept of bringing Ripley back as a clone either, but that along with a lot of other elements would have worked so much better if the script hadn't been hacked at by the studio before handing it over to Jeunet for production.

  • April 11, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Blackberry:

    by al

    Spot the difference

  • I agree that the assembly cut is not really better. I kind of overall prefer the theatrical cut of Alien 3. During production though, the studio was constantly breathing down Fincher's neck and undermining a lot of his vision for the film, trying to cut corners on cost, etc. I suppose it was because they thought he was too inexperienced and could be pushed around, whereas Ridley and Cameron had already sort of made their directorial mark before they did their Alien film. Same with Jeunet. To be honest though, I watched Alien 3 again recently, and it just isn't all that interesting to me anymore. There certainly are things I like about it. The run down and foreboding prison colony of Fiorina *Fury* 161. I really like the interaction between Ripley and Dillon. Lance Henriksen as a Satan like figure of temptation at the end, which fits with the whole backwater prison planet with lost soul prisoners trapped in hell motif of the film. He tempts Ripley with the notion that she can have the alien queen larva removed so she can start fresh and have a normal life. Actually, the ending of the film is pretty damn good. I like how they tied back into the end of Alien with Ripley's faint final transmission, as if it were still out there waiting to be received. I wonder if some starfreighter humping along in the outer rim might pick up that signal from 57 years ago? That might have been an interesting way to tie into a new set of characters in a new non-Ripley centric Alien sequel....? Anyways.... The music and sound design is darn good. The opening title sequence, while shocking in a bad way (Newt, Hicks, and Bishop getting killed), is very stylish the way it cuts between the silence of space and the chaos of the fire and evacuation on the Sulaco. In the assembly cut, I like the lingering shots of Clemens walking along all those giant old cranes lining the shores of the dark sea of Fury 161 during the opening sequence. It really sets up the loneliness of Fury 161. The dog/ox alien is pretty neat too. I can't deny that there are some great shots of that incarnation of the alien in the film, just not the stop motion type shots. Alien 3 also has one of the most iconic images of the whole saga. The alien coming up beside Ripley and extending its inner mouth, then backing away when it realizes that Ripley is carrying a baby alien. Also, the scene where Ripley scans herself in the EEV has a cool vibe that reminds me of the first Alien. I guess it is probably because the EEV interior looks a lot like the inside of the Nostromo. Beyond some of that, it can be a slog to get through Alien 3. I guess I have to be in the right mood, and I have to let a longer period of time pass between each viewing of Alien 3 so that when I do watch it, it is more fun and interesting. I guess Alien 3 is just not as satisfyingly re-watchable as the first two in a lot of ways. Resurrection, for all its flaws, is more fun in a complete batshit WTF? kinda way. It is the Batman Forever of the Alien saga. AvP is the Batman and Robin equivalent. Oh, and now with Aliens: Colonial Marines, the whole damn canon is kind of going wonky. Apparently the derelict and Hadley's Hope is not completely destroyed. While it is great that we are getting a cool new Aliens game alongside Prometheus, the Alien saga's canon is kind of fucked up now isn't it? Alien 3 seems kind of moot at this point, since WY can just go back to LV-426 and scoop up some eggs from the derelict. Oh well, perhaps in Aliens CM we'll get to finally see what the alien that hatched from the space jockey looks like? Epic boss fight anyone?

  • April 11, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Another thought on Alien 3

    by lv_426

    The dog chestburster scene was in really bad taste IMO. I guess cause I'm a wuss and hate animal violence and animal suffering in films. I also agree with wrath_of_fett with the ox-burster variation. Neither chestburst is really that great, just disgusting. In Alien the chestburster scene was shocking but visually really interesting because of the red blood against the stark white of the mess hall. Also, when there is no human characters to react to the alien chestbursting, it kind of just sucks. In Aliens we see the cocooned colonist birth an alien. To me, that scene was terrifying because of the idea of the cocoon and loosing any control you had over the process. Also, there was a story motivation for the chestburst in Aliens. There needed to be an interesting narrative reason to wake the hive so to speak. Even in Resurrection, the silly head-burster had some poetic justice to it, due to Dr. Wren being behind the plot to use the captured men as hosts for the aliens. Now, back to Alien 3... this would be really controversial, but wouldn't it have been goddamn shocking if the alien that plagues Ripley and the prisoners throughout the film came out of Newt? In a weird way, it would have part of Newt in it, and Ripley would be killing Newt in a sort of symbolic way. Or perhaps she'd feel like it was like killing Newt? Kinda weird but thematically it could have been interesting. They also could have had a really great shit your pants scare when Clemens is performing the autopsy and a fucking alien launches out of Newt's open chest!

  • and SCREECHHH!!!!!!! A chestburster says hello my baby, hello my honey, hello my ragtime gal...

  • Yes, the direction was poor. Most of the acting was mad... but so was the script. My point IS... there isn't some MAGICAL, Whedon draft that would have made an excellent Alien 4... no, they could have got Ridley and Cameron back to co-direct Whedon's script, and it still would have been SHIT. The whole idea, and premise... Whedon's fault, or Foxs... was LAME... Whedon probably did the best he could, given what Fox demanded... but shit is shit... the script is shit.

  • April 11, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST

    obijuanmartinez, could be that the jockey we saw in A L I E N

    by lv_426

    was just some sort of automated biomechanical drone system that controls the ship. Sure it is living because it is partly a biological organism, and thus an alien was able to get in and use it as a host. Maybe those jockey horseshoe shaped ships are not meant to land in the traditional sense? They could be one way egg transport and delivery systems on a kamikaze mission to infect whatever planet the space jockeys want cleared of human life.

  • that jockey is then fused with the ship's biomechanical systems, becoming part of the ship. Basically, that jockey is on a one way trip to deliver its cargo and then die when the ship dies.

  • April 11, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 is my favourite film of all time.

    by jellypop

    Honestly, I love that film. I've stuck by it since the start despite friends telling me I was loco. Sure, there are moments that make me angry with rage (even now) because improvements needed to be made and these scenes are lacking. One friend of mine told me that Fincher would turn out to be the worst movie director of all time and I was an idiot for backing Alien 3. I'm so glad he was wrong-I'll eat ANYTHING that Fincher makes. He is my favourite director ever. The buzz I got from seeing that film for the first time is still with me. It made a massive impression and was the film I'd been searching for, for a long time. I've been ripped to shreds enough in the past by folks slamming my choice, but I don't like it for them, only for me.

  • April 11, 2012, 4:18 p.m. CST

    natalieportmansyummyafterbirth

    by lv_426

    *Whedon's script WASN'T HACKED... it's all there* That is what I am saying. I think it needed some new ideas and a rewrite to steer it in a better direction. And if Ridley or Cameron came onboard, you can bet they'd have explored alternate narrative paths with rewrites. Shit, Ridley drove his Blade Runner writers mad with all the rewrites he requested. Cameron would just rewrite it himself. I like Whedon, but Jim Cameron knows hard sci-fi much better than Whedon and would have probably turned it into something much better. Probably not as good as Aliens, but it would have possibly been much better than what we got, and more fun and thrilling than Alien 3. Now, sure, Alien Resurrection might have still sucked if Ridley Scott or James Cameron came onboard to direct, but it would have stood a pretty good chance of not sucking is what I am getting at. It doesn't matter, as it is just speculating and armchair directing for shits and giggles here anyways.

  • Just kidding. Nothing wrong with having a different perspective on things and liking something that isn't super popular. I'm also a Fincher fan. If he is your favorite filmmaker, then I am not surprised that you would love Alien 3. It is too bad that Fincher is still so shell shocked by his bad experience with Alien 3. I'd love to see Sir Ridley Scott, James Cameron, David Fincher, and Jean-Pierre Jeunet sit down for an Alien directors roundtable ala the Captain's Summit doc that was included in the Star Trek motion picture blu-ray set. Maybe have Sigourney Weaver host the Alien Saga Summit or whatever it would be called. That way they'd have a cool and appropriate host/interviewer and then Sigourney would also be able to chime in on various topics with her own insight.

  • April 11, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST

    @lv426: Seems a wee bit of a stretch, that...I skew toward the simplistic

    by obijuanmartinez

    That being: Sir Rids saying - 'I've wanted to revisit the 'Alien' universe for years! Years, years, years. I always wondered when they did Aliens 2,3 and 4 why they hadn’t touched upon that, instead of evolving into some other fantastic story. They missed the biggest question of them all: Who’s the big guy [the Space Jockey]? And where were they going? And with what? Why that cargo? There’s all kinds of questions.' That said, there a bit from the Empire Online synopsis - http://www.empireonline.com/empireblogs/empire-states/post/p1219 - in Bullet Point #1, that mentions LV223 being 'a stone's throw (astronomically speaking) from LV426... Smells better to me than the concept of myopic demi-gods who're just brilliant in the lab, but stick 'em behind the wheel of a horse-shoe spaceship and things go to shit...

  • It's all there, and his story is simply loaded with elements of Firefly/Buffy/Dollhouse. He blames others for bringing it down to "humor" and a "comic book" level, but that is HIS SCRIPT. Period. I actually like AR for what it is. But Joss pretending his script was mutilated is BULLSHIT.

  • April 11, 2012, 11 p.m. CST

    Although I wasn't thrilled with Alien 3 leaving the theater...

    by Jaster Mareel

    I kn ew damn well Fincher would be an amazing director. All the elements were ther and he made a verfy atmospheric and visually interesting film. So when I saw that his next film Se7en, was coming out, I knew it would be great. I'd tell my frinds =Se7en's gonna rock! That's the guy that directed Alien 3!=, and they'd look at me like I was batshit insane.

  • April 12, 2012, 6:37 a.m. CST

    You guys know what hacked up means right?

    by al

    It means that its given a stiff fix before production, and it changes many elements to script outside of snarky wisecracking dialogue, that basically undermines or throws off minor to key moments across its whole structure or form.. So you don't like Whedons dialogue (that's a matter of taste, and no, does not fit in a script for ALIEN ALIENS or ALIEN 3), and AGAIN, it wasn't close to what your all talking about envisioning as a 3rd sequel, but it was never going to be was it, unless Cameron or Scott were back on board it seems, the studio weren't going to allow for that, but what there was the potential for, was a solid fun -comic book- like entry... And while there's no bigger fan of Alien than myself I'm aware of, sorry... but the -script is lame- analysis is just rubbish, if you accept Alien/Aliens is dead at this point and its aim wasn't to subserviently recreate or or mimic its content, the tone, the sensibilities in a futile way ... This was a movie that was coming of the back of a Franchise that wouldn't allow for such a thing or someone having a real stab with there own sensibilities, so you have to accept it within that frame work or not bother with it as anything other than criticism for your favourite movie/s being turned into a franchise and everything that inevitably comes with that . Judged in that context, the idea the script is lame is just ridiculuous, and if you can't understand the difference between the Director-screenwriter collaboration as a part of the intended creative process between Fancher, Peoples, Scott etc. and that of Screenwriter for hire to handed over to and hacked up by studio, then handed to director to make it work best he knows how, then christ, you are dense. Quit whining at Whedon and his script because the Tonight Show didn't exist anymore until Car- I mean Scott came back, for a little more life in paradise fuckers!