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Ben Kingsley Could Be The Villain In IRON MAN 3!
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Nordling here.
I'm all for it, if what Variety is reporting today is true - Ben Kingsley is officially in talks to play IRON MAN 3's villain, and will go head to head with Robert Downey Jr's Tony Stark. Will he play Mandarin? Insiders say no. That's too bad - I could see him being a spectacular Mandarin, but considering the source of Mandarin's power it might not make sense in the film universe that Marvel has set up. Whatever Shane Black comes up with, it'll be worthwhile to see Kingsley play it.
I'm glad to see Ben Kingsley taking a role like this - I thought he was amazing in HUGO - and if he brings a quarter of the evil and intensity that he did in SEXY BEAST, Stark has a formidable foe on his hands. I hope this happens.
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In Spidey 4 at one point?
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Just watch Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang and imagine it with with a drunk guy in Battle Armor, oh wait, KKBB totally had a drunk guy in battle armor! I guess I'm in.
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April 9, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST
And my idea for an Avengers/Dr Strange/Giant-Man/Captain Marvel tie-up.
by KilliK
How about an alliance between Ultron and Mandarin? Ultron discovers somewhere buried in the ocean, the alien robot Ultimo,activates it and controls it by linking his AI with the AI of the gigantic robot. Mandarin on the other hand,discovers somewhere buried in China,the ancient legendary dragon Fin Fang Foom and with the use of his 10 magic ring wakes him up and controls him. They use together these two terrific entities as weapons of mass destruction to annihilate the human resistance and conquer the world. Ofc the Avengers are overpowered so they decide to seek help from other superheroes.So you can introduce Dr Strange who is the Sorcerer Supremer and protector of the Earth Realm,and he uses his magic powers to neutralize the magic rings of Mandarin and help the Avengers to stop Fin Fang Foom.Strange knows something that the Mandarin doesnt: that the rings used to belong to an ancient demon named Dormammu,which resides in an other hellish dimension.The rings present a greater threat to the world than the Mandarin can imagine,so Strange wants to get them back. You can also introduce the Hank Pym with his hot wife Wasp who reveals to the Avengers that he is the one who created Ultron,which initialy was a military project to create AI but it went wrong and created instead a mechanical monster which turned against its creator. Hank Pym,who is depressed for all the harm that his work caused to the world,he decides,despite the fact that he might be killed, to use his experimental pym particles to grow his size and face Ultimo which is unstoppable.He does that,he becomes the Giant-Man and an epic combat starts between him and Ultimo like in the Godzilla/Ultraman movies. Despite his braveefforts,Giant cant stop Ultimo. Then Strange manages to take temporarily under his control Fin Fang Foom and throws him in the battle to fight Ultimo.So you have a battle of monsters and giants between Giant-man,Ultimo and Fin Fang Foom. Finally Fin Fang Foom and Ultimo are both defeated while Giant-man is mortally wounded and changes back to his normal.Wasp,who prior to all this,wanted to divorce Pym because he had become an alcoholic and a wife abuser,after falling in depression because of what he had created,cries and kiss her husband before he lets his last breath while lying on the ground. Ultron escapes and is on the run. Now here is the thing. We can have 2 after credit scenes which can lead to the next avengers sequel and to a Dr Strange spinoff movie. After credits Scene 1. Mandarin gets killed in the final battle but his body gets lost during the whole commotion.Strange farewells the avengers and starts searching for the rings.In the movie's after credits we see that the rings are now in the possession of someone who calls himself Baron Mordo. In the Strange movie which follows the avengers movie,through flashbacks we learn that Mondo is an ex-student of the Ancient One the former Sorcerer Supreme of Earth.Mondo failed to replace him as the new Sorcerer Supreme while another student,Stephen Strange succeeded. Mondo hates both the Ancient and Strange and he plans to use the 10 rings that he got from Mandarin's dead body,to open a getaway to Dormammu's dimension,bring him on earth with his demon army,give him the 10 rings which are actually the lost source of his power (they unlock their true power when Dormammu wears them), in order to burn the whole world. Strange and the Ancient try to stop Mondo before he completes his plan,the Ancient gets killed in the process,meanwhile Strange finds a new ally in the face of Clea and etc,etc. After credits Scene 2. Fin Fang Foom,now defeated and without a master,he returns back to his secret ancient home in China where he falls back to his eternal sleep. Ultimo's deactivated body is transfered in the Pacific Ocean to be thrown in the Mariana Trench.The whole mission is supervised by the Avengers and the Shield.When they arrive at the Mariana Trench,they are greeted by an unexpected visitor.The Kree alien Captain Marvel. The rest in the next Avengers sequel.
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April 9, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST
Not too familiar with Iron Man villains... anyone got a bunch of guesses?
by mdk
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April 9, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST
3 movies in and still no Mandarin? He is Iron Man's Joker. WTF?
by riskebiz
It's not like Iron Man has a huge rogues gallery of villains to choose from. It would be like making a Batman film series and maybe getting around to the Joker in film 4 or 5. Make him Mandarin.
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April 9, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST
Gee, I wonder why they don't do Mandarin? Hmm, that's a stumper.
by AzulTool
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Please no. Kingsley would be such a boring and clichéd choice. Can’t they come up with somebody more original? Somebody who you wouldn't expect? Kingsley was terrible as the villain in Prince of Persia.
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Iron Man 2 was so bad, I'm not sure what Sir Ben can do to save this franchise! It is a good start though!
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Through the "Ten Rings" terrorist organization that worked with Stane and then provided Whiplash with illicit paperwork. Yet it seems nobody is gonna pick up the thread. Shit.
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Im drawing a serious blank on who he could be playing,how many elder statesman like villains doe iron man have? Shane black called Mandarin a racist characterture ,in a recent interview (idiot),though i hope for the best,hes, a great writer
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After looking over a list of Iron Man villains I think they could go two directions. Another armor vs armor with Kingsley in the Crimson Dynamo suit where he really doesnt have to be physical at all, or maybe a bad guy with a power thats not really hand to hand like Radioactive Man. I know he's asian but who knows. Of course maybe his casting is move of a Sam Rockwell character and not really the main villain but a supporting bad guy. Too soon to say.
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April 9, 2012, 5:14 p.m. CST
If he's not playing The Mandarin there could only be one reason...
by ahdvd
...that Marvel are keeping him for The Avengers 2. The Mandarin's rings and power being magical in origin is not difficult to do in the Marvel movie universe as Thor setup the issue of magic vs technology. Any half decent writer will be able to come up with a reasonable way to make it work under these rules.
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News keeps getting better and better about IM3. Giggling like a child at the thought of Kingsley slinging words against Downey Jr. Fingers crossed it's true!
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This notion that they cant do it bc its magic is utter bullshit. Have them be alien technology. Iron man does not live in a realistic world. If he did the government would steal his armor tech, fuck a congressional hearing and his enemies would assasinate him when he is out of the armor. This is a movie based on a comic book, accept it and hive me the god damn mandarin. He doesnt have to be chinese if having a chinese villain is suddenly racist.
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this is how I see the final scene between him and tony stark. iron man has been given a damn good hiding. Iron Man's mask falls off... or comes loose.. Kingsley slowly and menacingly walks up to stark. slowly pulls out iron mans heart. and while he is speaking to stark who is dying. cuts all the wires which cuts off the battery life giving tony stark a slow death. Kingsley dialog is clinical and cold. the movie ends in a hospital with Stark on life support machine one designed by him. will tony stark for a 4th film.......
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So how does Iron Man 2 go from "not as good as part 1" to "so bad". You're hyperbole is the stupidest thing in the entire universe.
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April 9, 2012, 5:16 p.m. CST
Tony Stark you fucking Dr White honkin' jam-rag fucking spunk-bubble! I'm telling you Stark you keep looking at me I'll put you in the fucking ground!
by DonLogan
You know Vicky Raisins, the pornographer? He's an old man, but he still operates off the Old Kent Road. Says Pepper Potts still got a fan club. They meet up every month. The Wednesday Wank, they call it. They're in big demand nowadays, those films. She's very popular. Very popular. You seen 'em? I've seen 'em. What a stain on your life. All the Persil in the world couldn't shift it...
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is saying the storyline will be based on The Extrimis (sp?) arch.... I'm unfamiliar with it, but does that mean anything to anyone else?
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''I might even get laid."
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April 9, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST
Ben Kingsley should play Tony Dungey, A.K.A. the Vulture
by Joe Plumber
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If they really wanted to counter that, they could have Iron Man team up with a Chinese hero like Radioactive Man or even Shang-Chi. Sometimes the guys that make these movies aren't half as creative as the fanboys.
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April 9, 2012, 5:25 p.m. CST
I'm happy with whatever role Ben Kingsley plays, just as long as he's not working for Uwe Boll
by Jet Jaguar
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My spelling is the second worst thing in the entire universe.
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I don't see why Marvel can't branch out from Iron Man's traditional villains and use some of the more interesting villains from other superhero's that haven't made an appearance yet, or in the case of Doctor Doom, used poorly. I would love to see Stark go head to head with a truly menacing Victor Von Doom. It would be a great way to introduce a sympathetic character like Namor, who can be hero or villain. The list is endless. I could see Kingsley play someone like the Leader, traditionally a Hulk villain, now that the Avengers have established an IM/Hulk connection.
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April 9, 2012, 5:29 p.m. CST
If rockwell becomes all evil due him being raped multiple times in jail,it could work
by TheAwareness
Grey his hair slightly,give him some goverment connects from prision,make him intimidating,and that would be a nice reboot of his character in ironman 2
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April 9, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST
He'll probably be an OG villain, corporate, human, etc. that'll be a vague mash-up of 616 IM baddies
by Al
I doubt it'll be a literal on-the-nose Iron Man bad guy but Marvel has said it won't be a tech-based bad guy ala Stane & Whiplash, so I'm thinking criminal / corporate leader that Iron Man has to take out. Of course, if Iron Man isn't fighting giant robots and not Mandarin then who else is he throwing down with?
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Look at him! He has to be playing the Mandarin! Just like Loki wasn't in The Avengers at first too huh?
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April 9, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST
I don't give a shit who the badguy is as long as the movie is good.
by notcher
Shane Black and Ben Kingsley are two great steps in the right direction. BRING IT! The Avengers and Prometheus are getting close, the Summer is almost here!!!!
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hell yeah.
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it's fucking drivel. Warrior is your choice.
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IM's rogues gallery isn't that large, and they sure aren't going to do another armored villain, e.g. Titanium Man. Who else could he play? Black Knight? Melter? Maybe they'll introduce AIM, and he could be Modok. Or maybe he will be the leader of the Ten Rings, just not Mandarin.
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They did say Avengers will set up IM3...
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lol at him being in a Uwe Boll movie. Hard to take him seriously since then.
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They set that up in IM1... We don't know that terrorist leader is dead. Could have made him Mandarin and then have Rockwell come back and not a pussy. Have him get out of prison team up with Mandarin and kill off everyone around Stark. Instead of that I'd set up Crimson Dynamo. Have the guy be connected to Whiplash in some way.
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Mickey Rourke played an amalgamation of the Crimson Dynamo and Whiplash in Iron Man 2.
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Mandarin,Chameleon,Ghost,Madame Mask,AIM,Titanium and Crimson Dynamo,Ultimo and Ultron,etc They are great,cool villains but they have been handled poorly from the writes. Tony Stark is a handsome,genius,rich and womanizing playoby who is also a superhero partly because he wants to have fun and partly because he feels qualms for being an ex-war monger. And he lives in a world where in the morning he runs his multi-billionaire company,in noon he fights super-villains,in afternoon he gambles in Las Vegas and in the night he fucks the hottest models on the planet. Tony Stark's world has everything: mega-corporations fighting each other for total financial domination,high society and jet set glamorous life,exotic places,futuristic state of the art technology,femme fatale,classy women,military and government with their own conspiracies,rich powerful men who live above the law,industrial espionage and so on. Tony Stark is essentially a James Bond who lives in this world and fights the villains of this specific world and his movies should focus on this core characteristic of his.Make his movies like the James Bonds but instead of a spy,use a super-hero. Nuff said.
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What, you mean those TEN RINGS HE WEARS THAT ARE OF ALIEN ORIGIN? YEH THAT WOULDN'T WORK AT ALL IN THE UNIVERSE THEY'VE SET UP. Jesus Hitler Christ do you guys know ANYTHING about Iron Man?
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Obviously they can change the character of the Mandarin around to make him not quite so... Yellow Peril, but come on, you're really going to dig your heels in about this? His name is The Mandarin! He has Pai Mei hair, long flowing robes, a fu-manchu and even long fingernails, depending on who draws him. He was created at a time when there were sidekicks named Pieface. How is The Mandarin NOT a racist caricature? Because he's powerful so it's okay? Before anybody gets all "rarr PC police darr," understand that I'm not boycotting the character of The Mandarin, but he is what he is. I don't mind if they use him; I think it's possible for them to introduce "magic" into the series thanks to The Avengers, but I think the villain needs to come out of the story they're trying to tell, not the other way around. Spider-Man 3 should be a cautionary tale for modern superhero movies.
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April 9, 2012, 5:59 p.m. CST
FOR FUCKS SAKE!!..The Mandarins' rings have always been alien technology.
by AnakinsDiapers
Given it's source, it absolutely makes sense in the film universe. <p> Oy, it's so annoying that every single time the topic of the Mandarin comes up "magic this", and "magic that" rears it's head.<p> Stark now exists in the same universe as Thor. Advanced alien technology is less than a stones throw out of the ordinary.
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I'm down.
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...yeah even before Mandarin I thought Modok. Can't you just see Kingsley's little giant head? And Kingsley wasn't bad in Prince of Persia. Prince of Persia was a bad movie Kingsley was in. Terrible, terrible, terrible bad.
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F. Murray Abraham not available?
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If they can create a persona as strong as his Sexy Beast character, then great. If he's like the dude in Prince of Persia, not so great. I'm actually against this idea. Maybe they can go the route of the Transformers franchise with this. The first was the best, second the worst, the third film an improvement but still not as good as the first one. Mmmkay No way they catch lighting in a bottle again ala Iron Man 1.
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whilst someone else does the dirty work. As for going hand to hand I seem to remember Iron Man facing off against the likes of Beetle and Gladiator in the comics but my memories are vague regarding other bad guys. Perhaps it'll be Gay Perry.
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April 9, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST
The film Sneakers showed that Kingsley could play a cold calculating villain. I just wish IM would touch on the Demon In Bottle storyline.
by Cedric Ford
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I'm a little confused. Do you think that Iron Man 2 was "not as good" as Iron Man 1..? I can assure you that in my personal opinion, Iron Man 2 was a terrible film. It was polished but a vacuous film nonetheless!
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April 9, 2012, 6:16 p.m. CST
ben kingsley= the villain who keeps stealing iron mans masks is finally revealed.
by vulturess
aka robert downey jr's agent.
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... he's nearly identical to Anthony Hopkins in that he has SOO much godamn talent, and yet chooses to star in hellaciously craptastic, shit-splatterfests. Between the two of them, they are responsible for nearly half of the biggest box-office disappointments ever made... with Nic Cage being responsible for the rest.
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although I knew nothing of the character. I had to do a quick web search to grab some info. It could be anybody...we'll have to wait.
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And just how OLD is Ben Kingsley now? He's been around forever!
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April 9, 2012, 6:22 p.m. CST
Wow, that's a surprise. I think that could be very interesting as he was amazingly nasty in "Sexy Beast"
by smudgewhat
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April 9, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST
I think Kinsley plays a surgeon that removes RDJ's stupid fucking grin! 'HEY. ROBERT! GOT NEWS FOR YA PAL IM2 SUCKED BIG SWEATY BALLZ YOU DICK!'
by cameron
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Just a couple of guesses.
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I could be wrong but I don't remember his origins ever being explicitly magic. He was always trained in science and the rings he found were actually alien technology that he studied. How is that out of line with the Marvel Movie Universe?
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Just now seeing all the other "duh they've always been technology" posts. Thanks guys.
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as a villain because,truth to be told,he is a racist caricature and also because the asian market is one of the most profitable ones in the world, for the american blockbuster films. So they cant use Mandarin because of PC and profit reasons but that doesnt mean that they cant change him and modernize him. Make him some delusional chinese billionaire tycoon who wants to take down the China government and become the emperor of the country.He discovers the 10 rings and uses their power to wake up and control Fin Fang Foom to cause havoc in the Chinese military and government. Tony Stark comes to the rescue and with the aid of the popular,national martial artist hero Iron Fist,WHO IS CHINESE FFS ,manages to defeat the dragon and Mandarin. What do you think?
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April 9, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST
I'll put the cigarette out providing you let me stub it out on your eyeball, fuckin' playboy billionaire cunt!
by Chuck_Chuckwalla
Don Logan vs. Tony Stark!!! Awesome.
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he isn't for the reasons you mentioned. The 10 rings are alien tech,the same way that Thor in the movie is from an advanced alien race and Mjolnir is a high tech weapon.
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April 9, 2012, 6:40 p.m. CST
I doubt modok will be a "heavy"in this,though i could be interesting
by TheAwareness
The writers of captain America: First avenger ,Steven Mcfreely and Christoper Markus,(i know about david self's draft and whedon's dialog polish,but these were the guys being interviewed"post release so don't go all "know it all" on me) wanted use modok in the sequel if they got the opportunity to penn it,Peter Dinkage was there top choice.The mind reels at how freakishly cool that could be, a little floating cyborg midget with psy powers,that can control any nearby machine at will.It so out there that i want to see marvel try to make it work.could be iconic as fuck.Never thought i woulds actually want modok in any marvel film ever.i want marvel to take creative gambles like that.
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April 9, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST
Man, no one even mentions Firebrand, Red Ghost, The Melter or Blizzard...
by Astronut
Those are the ones I grew up with.... Gots ta love me some Firebrand. Not sayin' Kingsley would * make * a good Firebrand, mind you. Just sayin' I loves me some.
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Tony drinks too much, Rodey takes Iron Man tech, basic beats of the story right there condensed down to one bit.
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April 9, 2012, 6:51 p.m. CST
Ive always had a soft spot for whirlwind ever since he was the first boss in the Avengers arcade game from way back
by TheAwareness
Id be happy even if he showed up as a "putty" with a few good cgi shots
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April 9, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST
This should easily be the best Iron Man film to date.
by cinemixtape.com
Favreau is not a great director and his work has gone significantly downhill since the first Iron Man.
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April 9, 2012, 6:59 p.m. CST
Too bad he can't play the same character from BLOODRAYNE...
by chaburchak
The time has come to fulfill your oaths, my loyal thralls. Scour the land, find Brimstone and destroy it, bring the dhamfir to me, leave no human alive that crosses you, the promise of eternal life awaits those that succeed, those who fail will find only death.
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I don't have a dog in this fight as I was never a big Iron Man fan but an old Chinese dude controlling a giant monster seems sorta hokey . I like the idea of the Mandarin being a Chinese terrorist who sends 10 alien tech robots after Iron Man.
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Logan: Stark, you will give me your F***ing suit... Stark: Nope, not feeling it... Logan: Yes Suit... Yes... Stark: Hey weren't you that guy on the plane that one time I had to fly commercial? Logan: No, No. No. No. No. No. No. No. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! In all seriousness, he played Ghandi so he can do The Mandarin without it being racist surely...
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...some corporate rival badguy, another iron suit like Dynamo, or some liberals' idea of a Rupert Murdoch caricature! Mandarin would be fine. So would a monster character like MODOC. You know who should be the villain (although not Kingsley)? Sub-Mariner! Water, iron and electricity don't mix, and he's a major unspoken-for character.
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Must be older than Robert Downey jr.
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Turns Iron Man into an Iron Melt.
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They can also bring in his daughter. Madame Masque. It could work.
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April 9, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST
If anyone other than Peter Dinklage is cast as MODOK I'll boycott Marvel..
by ganymede3010
Like forever!! Thank goodness the Capt America co-writer Christopher Markus is dead set on Dinklage. No way will they allow Shane Black to steal him at this point (at-least I hope).
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The biggest problem I've had with the Marvel Studios movies is that it seems like EVERY villain is just the evil version of the respective hero. For instance: Iron Man - Obediah in his evil Iron Man suit. Incredible Hulk - Blonsky the Abomination (evil hulk) Iron Man 2 - Whiplash (evil Iron Man suit 2.0) Thor - Loki (Thor's evil brother) Captain America - Red Skull (evil product of captain america's super serum) Red Skull and Loki are understandable, they are the go-to villains for those respective heroes; but it does seem a bit strange that EVERY Marvel Studios movie only uses evil doppelgangers for villains. It's why I'm really hoping the Aliens in the Avengers aren't the Skrulls, because as much as I've enjoyed the Marvel movies, I think I may lose faith if I see an army of full-out evil copies of the heroes. Is Spiderman the only Marvel hero with a good stockpile of solid villains? Full disclosure, I'm a casual-to-moderate Marvel comics fan and definitely not an expert, so if anything I've said is way off base, let me know; but it seems like it's all been "evil versions of heroes" as villains so far.
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April 9, 2012, 8 p.m. CST
I think Killik is Blackwolf the Dragon Master.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Enjoying his fillet of fish.
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...Kang the Conqueror. That is all.
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April 9, 2012, 8:08 p.m. CST
now another site is saying he IS Mandarin! And it's based on Warren Ellis' Iron Man "Extremsis" arc
by Al
Extremsis rocked so I'm in.
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April 9, 2012, 8:09 p.m. CST
Sisco from star trek:deep space 9 would be a better kang,he has a killer voice to boot
by TheAwareness
Dont Fuck wit da "Hawk"
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I liked your first post. Sounds like a good story. I would go see it.
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It would be awesome.
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I don't think Joe Q. Public is ready for time travel, but who knows?
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April 9, 2012, 8:26 p.m. CST
Well... He was the bad guy in Prince of Persia... And BloodRayne.... And some other Uwe crap
by garagons
Not excited. Sorry
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Or a future X-Men or Wolverine installment. Modok? He'd never agree to play that character. They'd have to rob Fort Knox.
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The Ghost - a terrorist hacker/inventor of a stealth suit, out to destroy Stark Enterprises. He's currently a Thunderbolt in the comics...
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Gotta be a CGI character. I say Puck, dammit!
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April 9, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST
Dinklage as modok would be like George Lopez in Sharkboy & Lavagirl
by Hesiod2k7
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Have a white actor playing a Chinese villain. The character isn't racist, and any criticism can be easily deflected with the addition oh a Chinese hero, as was mentioned, for instance Shang Chi.
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April 9, 2012, 8:32 p.m. CST
No magic in the Marvel Film universe? How will they pull off Doctor Strange??
by atlatl
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April 9, 2012, 8:42 p.m. CST
Just saw a new Avengers TV spot and now I have a boner.
by adeceasedfan
It's nothing new, but a mash-up of what we've seen before. Kicks ass tho.
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Be back in 5..erm...check that...2 minut....wait...nevermind.
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April 9, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST
Yeah this will be good like Iron Man 2 was...or Wrath of the Titans
by Rupee88
people in the talkbacks are funny. I'm sure the new Spider-man movie will be good too..you guys are right. I guess hope springs eternal
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If its Extremis, and it's true that it will not be "two men in suits duking it out", AND magic is not allowed in this interpretation of the Marvel universe, the list get very small very quickly. Once you eliminate all the characters already used, it comes down to Mallen. Admittedly I used the wikipedia villians list to eliminate possibilities. Of course, nothing says they could not create their own new villain... Or even use someone else's villain..
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April 9, 2012, 9 p.m. CST
Dr. Strange's power based on suggestion, scented candles, and a well timed reach-around
by LargoJr
... just sayin
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Congratulations. You've all just been schooled. Now get thee to a comic book store.
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One of the worst sequels ever, down there with MIIB, Ghostbusters 2 and BTTF 2..
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April 9, 2012, 9:12 p.m. CST
On the ENDER'S GAME thread you all called Kingsley a washed up loser
by FluffyUnbound
But now that he's in this Marvel junk he's a cool cat again, eh?
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April 9, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST
I think it would be interesting if he were some version of the Mandarin and he employed either alien tech or magic
by smudgewhat
It would create a whole other realm for Stark to grapple with. Basically the door is open on magic or aliens now that "Avengers" is going that route.
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April 9, 2012, 9:32 p.m. CST
If Thor exists in this film universe they can use any freaky magic shit they want.
by FluffyUnbound
Dr. Strange, the whole nine yards. There are no limits.
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Okay, I'm now avoiding any opinion ever you have about anything ever. Thanks!
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If only because the subject matter is MUCH better suited against/for each other as equivalent 'foils'.
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We want THE MANDARIN! C'mon guys! Sheesh.
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TPTB are churning out these movies too quickly. Space them out a little more. I would hate to see RD Jr. get sick of this part the same way Connery got sick of playing Bond!
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April 9, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST
The solution is painfully obvious to anyone who has seen the remake of "The Manchurian Candidate".
by Aaron
Agent of Manchurian Global instead of an agent from the nation of Manchuria = Mandarin Corp or some such thing. Chinese equivalent of Stark's company (pre-IM1, as in giant weapons manufacturer), but they are a front for the Ten Rings. Kingsley runs the show, becomes traditional-looking Mandarin for final showdown, never refer to him as 'the Mandarin.' Easy peasy. Check please.
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Suddenly making the bully Biff from part 1 into a violent murderer..the all over the place plot, bullshit retreading of the dance scene from part 1 showing "different angles!" oohh! shoehorning useless characters into the plot like Marty's gf. Even the makers of the film don't like it, they only made it because they tacked on the "to be continued" bullshit on the end of the first film. Listen to the commentary/docs...
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...but they are a bunch of morons so Mandarin Kingsley taps into them using his sage abilities, etc., and so on.
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April 9, 2012, 10:06 p.m. CST
If BTTF2 is a bad sequel then there are no good sequels
by darthvedder81
It does what so few sequels do: stays true to it's characters and gives us something new yet familiar. Oh how I miss 80's-90's Zemeckis.
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April 9, 2012, 10:08 p.m. CST
They made the Ten Rings a nondescript Middle Eastern threat, no reason they cant make the Mandarin a nondescript ... Eastern threat.
by Aaron
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check out this guy's 3 part review, it's pretty good: http://confusedmatthew.com/Back-to-the-Future-Part-II.php
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Hopefully that means lots of shots of Hathaway's and Cotillard's asses.
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During a later story with the return of the Mandarin, who attempts to release Extremis on a large scale as part of his plan to 'reshape' the human race, it is revealed that Extremis can only be successfully used on people who possess a rare genetic sequence, found in only 2.5% of the human population; this percentage includes Tony Stark and Maya Hansen, but does not include the Mandarin. Anyone without this sequence who is exposed to Extremis will be killed by the system.
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So kingsley could a form of the mandarin but it seems unlikely.
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April 9, 2012, 11:15 p.m. CST
So..you guys want kingsly to play a role naturaly suited for asian... shit,there are plenty of great chinese actors that could "floor that part, id rather not see him appear if thats the ruite,there going to take..
by TheAwareness
about as bad as john Wayne playing Genghis Khan. we can do better than "yellow face"cant we? lets leave the tribal pride aside for once and expand our horizons shall we people..(think chow yun fat in "curse of the golden flower"
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Some kind of realistic version of big head will be done. He will be a cybernetic organism. It would actually fit in to the Iron Man movie universe very well.
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The Mandarin should be 20 years younger then Kingsley and CHINESE (even though Mandarin is half English!)!!
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April 10, 2012, 12:27 a.m. CST
They already confirmed that this movie will pit Iron Man against "real world"-type villains, so why suggest Mandarin?
by Kabrix
I think he'll be Evil Normal Guy.
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Ben was great as the bad dude in Sneakers He's great in everything He was great as the alcoholic hit man He will rock this role or my name isn't Skippy the Wondermule!
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I'm SKIPPING this film! ENOUGH ALREADY! >:O
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Easily one of the most interesting Iron Man foes, especially with his powers. Have him be a Chinese counterpart to Stark — a valued, but feared, broker in the Chinese government/military complex — except using magic and science as his weapons, rather than just technology. However, portraying the Chinese as bad guys might scare Marvel's bean-counters, which is probably why Iron Man's most well-known foe has been ignored... :P
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They have "demigods" like Thor and Loki, so make the magic/technology just another type of alien artifacts! They can't figure that out!!
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April 10, 2012, 1:14 a.m. CST
Iron Man 2 killed the franchise for me. Anthony Mackie taking over as War Machine....
by fat_rancor_keeper
..........that just shows Marvel doesn't take their fans seriously anymore. Continuity out the window once again.
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April 10, 2012, 1:40 a.m. CST
Yes Mandarin is a racist stereotype but he still should be the villain
by Continentalop
I'm not saying it is PCism, but I will say it is Hollywood and Marvel's lack of thinking outside the box if they don't want to use Mandarin. Yes he was part of the yellow peril and Red Scare of the 60s, but Dracula was part of England's fear of Eastern Europe and immigration during the Victorian age, and no one thinks that you can't do a Dracula movie anymore (you just don't emphasize the racial paranoia). Like any interesting villain, Mandarin can represent more than just ethnic fears and be used to represent modern dangers, such as terrorism or weapon proliferation. And truthfully, he is Iron Man's most interesting villain and the only one I can imagine giving Tony Start/Iron Man a real run for his money. All they need to do is re-imagine him better to fit modern context. (Also, haven't they established in Captain America that Howard Stark came up with the idea of the Arc reactor from the Cosmic Cube? Who is to say that Mandarin's "magical" rings are not powered by something akin to the Cosmic Cube - 10 little arc reactors more powerful than Tony Starks).
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that 3 is closely following a story called Extremis where some villian creates so sort of mechanical virus. Who Is the Villain in Iron Man 3? Ben Kingsley will face-off against old Shellhead. April 9, 2012 Level 18 . by Scott Collura It looks like Iron Man has found a villain for his third solo film. But it appears that the big screen may still be eluding the Armored Avenger's arch nemesis, the Mandarin. Visit the set of The Avengers! Variety reports today that actor Ben Kingsley is in final talks to play the bad guy in old Shellhead's third go-around. And while Marvel is not commenting on the matter, the trade's inside sources "denied that the character would be the Mandarin." Ben Kingsley in Hugo Of course, the original Iron Man film set up the notion of the Mandarin with the terrorist group known as the Ten Rings -- a real-Marvel-world-reference to the villain's magical rings from the comics. They were behind the kidnapping of Tony Stark which led to his becoming Iron Man, and director Jon Favreau had said in the past that he was considering actually bringing the villain into the third film. But Favreau isn't making Iron Man 3 now -- Shane Black is. And according to Variety, he's casting Kingsley in "a role that revolves around the spread of a virus through nanobots." This tracks with what we've heard previously, namely that the film will be based on the Warren Ellis storyline "Extremis" from the comics. Production on the film begins in May in North Carolina. http://movies.ign.com/articles/122/1222597p1.html
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He could be the lead scientist/bad guy who invented the Extremis virus.
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April 10, 2012, 2:06 a.m. CST
They squandered the chance to do Armor Wars.
by Bedknobs and Boomsticks
Could've had the various armored villains like Beetle, Crimson Dynamo, Titanium Man, etc. in montage scenes, so that fights with armored guys could be utilized, but not overpower the story.
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"It's your move!" Cheeky f**k!
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As he is in comics. Long nails and moustache.
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April 10, 2012, 4:07 a.m. CST
Just make Don Logan the villain and you got yourself a interesting movie. - playmo.tv is the shit
by Bjarni
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Possible. Maybe even preferable.
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Jesus,I hope they are not doing that awful story.
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General Grievous. Darth Sidious. Mr. Sinister. Dr. Doom. Captain Likesevil. Who am I missing?
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Either works
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tetsuo.
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April 10, 2012, 7:15 a.m. CST
COSTUME DESIGN OPTION: The Avenger's "A" can be on Captain America's forehead.
by JDanielP
I really should have went into costume design. I would not have stopped until Captain America's costume was freakin' cool. And THOR would have the coolest helmet ever.
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April 10, 2012, 7:59 a.m. CST
Definitely wanting to see Ironman 3 now. Kingsley's presence, Black's script... wow.
by impossibledreamers
Hoping its NOT Mandarin and there are a lot of possibilities as opposed to just another guy in a power suit.
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April 10, 2012, 8:13 a.m. CST
Again: Mandarin as a villian leads to an effing FIN FANG FOOM MOVIE.
by fireclown
Which would rock. Plus, we saw the Mandarin in the first movie. The technology obsessed leader of the army of the ten rings. Do I have to draw you a map.
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April 10, 2012, 8:32 a.m. CST
Kingsley would've been a great Charles Xavier too.
by Cletus Van Damme
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Another good bet for a Kingsley villain from the Ironman canon is Ghost. Ghost would also be topical and timely. He's an anti-corporate saboteur.
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.... Mandarin would have been the villain .... and played by either Andy Lau or Donnie Yen oh well
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April 10, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST
Thant would suck if they turned the terrost leader into mandarin,do him right or dont do him at all
by TheAwareness
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Nice production design, but an utterly empty poorly acted mess. It barely made as much as it's budget (which allegedly was in the 170 million dollar ball park) much like John Carter, yet John Carter got all the press. I'm a big Scorsese fan, but I can say without a doubt Hugo is one of his worst.
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April 10, 2012, 10 a.m. CST
I thought Thor did a great job of incorporating magic into the Marvel Movie Universe. So...
by Wcwlkr
Why not Mandarin, I mean I'd prefer the majority of the film with Tony battling Mandarin, rather them him battling himself. Which was pretty much what he was doing in Iron Man 2 and I didn't dis-like Iron Man 2 I thought it was good. But I'm just saying when you watch it again there wasn't a lot that Tony did in that movie except for 5 min fight with Whiplash, 5 min fight with War Machine, then 30 min fight with various Hammerdrones. Just give me a movie where a villain is trying to achieve some goal, and has various encounters with the hero. It doesn't have to be one last fight at the end. That's my one complaint with some Super-hero movies. That's why I guess I enjoyed Spider-man 2 & The Dark Knight so much because it took that formula. Batman & Spider-man didn't just show up here and there. They crossed the villains past a few times before the finale.
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What was the point of having the 10 rings easter eggs in IM and IM2? Were they just Favreau's ideas and Marvel is not beholden to them? Like someone said above, Mandarin in one of Iron Man's main villains and should make an appearance by now.
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April 10, 2012, 10:03 a.m. CST
Another TBer beat me to it but yes Ken Wantanabe would be awesome as Mandarin
by Wcwlkr
Point is I want to see the Mandarin!
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I was so disappointed after hearing everyone rave about it. Sat down with my kids to watch it and they didn't last 20 minutes into it before leaving they were so bored. I made it through it but kept going "huh?" this movie is incredibly dull. That was a movie with a select target audience, which is film nerds who can appreciate the finer points of where movies came from, how they were created, etc. and recapturing the "magic" of the silent era but for the rest of us who aren't film snobs it just was a bore.
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I can see him being a pretty intimidating villain. Mickey Rourke was just a boring bad guy in the last movie.
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Ummm, Tiananmen Square ring a bell?
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April 10, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST
when's the last time Ironman fought the Mandarin in the comics?
by K-Gin
He's hardly Ironman's Joker....
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Just because Mandarin hasn't appeared in the modern "arcs" doesn't mean jack shit. Go back and look at Iron Man's original run.
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But I think the avenger's A might look to fancy on Cap's head. Sometimes simple is better.
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April 10, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST
I thought the bald guy from IM1 was being set up to be the Mandarin
by Crimson Dynamo
I thought that's why they made him of unspecified ethnicity to get away from the whole yellow peril thing.
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All that is completely made up. The makers have never expressed any dislike for the sequels and they're proud of the whole trilogy. The "to be continued" bit wasn't put at the end of the original movie either - that was just added for a home release when they were making the sequels. Also Biff is corrupt with money and power in the alternate 1985 - it makes perfect sense a person who attempts rape, tries to run someone down in his car and is a general bully to everyone could become such a person with the power to get away with it. Oh and a time travel movie going back to the events from the original film - ingenious! There's more at stake than just stopping Biff - you have to stop him without interfering with the events of the last film. Totally raises the stakes. Extremely well made and fits together perfectly. If you don't like that film, so be it, but it's anything but a bad sequel.
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Both of you have either no soul or no brain. Hugo was incredible - one of my favorite films of all time. Such an interesting and beautiful take on the history of cinema. And my kid loved it. We were mesmerized from beginning to end. Having said that, Nordling's Sexy Beast clip is nowhere near as badass as Kingsley gets in that movie. He will be an awesome villain.
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I don't think anybody would complain in the public. I think it's not Mandarin for the same reason there's no Mysterio in Spider-man and no Mister Mxyzptlk in Batman. Magic comes off even cheesier in comic books. Notice even Loki seemed kinda neutered (more enhanced by magic than casting wacky spells) in Thor? So if anybody with some magic powers is going to show up again, it'll probably be Doom.
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April 10, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST
but considering the source of Mandarin's power it might not make sense in the film universe that Marvel has set up. - Utter Bullshit
by ShadowVoyd
As anakinsdiapers, killik and others have also pointed out, the Mandarin's ten rings are alien technology. And making him work in a less racist context isn't fucking rocket science. It only takes a little bit of imagination and the magic of literacy. There's enough material over the years to cobble together a version that both plausible in a cinematic context and imposing enough without resorting to literal Fu Manchu mustache twirling. For crying out loud, the word in English is derived from an amalgamation of various dialects and is associated with respect and official standing, hence it being applied to the northern Chinese dialect Jesuit missionaries learned in their dealings with Imperial officials. <P> You literally lift his origins as presented in Iron Man: Enter The Mandarin. You make him a Khan descendant of the Yuan (Mongol) dynasty. You keep the pre-industrial angle of his time in China as it's a great juxtaposition to Stark being on the cutting edge of industry. He grows up a noble or better yet, you work in the Matt Fraction aspect (which repainted him as a rising criminal figure and would help establish the Raza character into his background). Either way, there are still parallels to Stark. He loses his parents early, much like Stark. He's well educated, strong but his criminal endeavors put him at odds with the government as Communism takes hold in China, with him being left utterly broke, driven out of China and embittered with society. His penniless wanderings lead him to the Maklu spaceship carcass where he acquired the ten rings, which he uses in a bid for conquest. <P> He comes up against the Communists again to not only reestablish his criminal empire, but take all of China. A nascent global threat group somewhere between the SSR and SHIELD become aware of him and help intervene, leaving The Mandarin divested of most, if not all of his rings (which is basically why someone so powerful would just drop off the radar). He then spends decades either forming or attaching himself to and then assimilating various terrorist and extremist groups to help him reacquire what he's lost, with him establishing The Ten Rings from followers gained from each encounter (with Raza, having enjoyed the power prolonged life The Mandarin possesses and grants him knowing the true scale of The Mandarin's plans beyond global terrorism and serving has his figurehead on the ground). <P> When we find him, it's in an updated, modern setting with a possibly corporate context, essentially using modern economics,warfare and weapons trafficking to fund a new, larger version of his lost criminal empire and find the scattered alien rings in order to elevate himself to world conqueror levels. Wackiness ensues.
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April 10, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST
k-gin - when's the last time Ironman fought the Mandarin in the comics?
by ShadowVoyd
Well, that would be least year, as part of the Stark Resilient storyline, followed by the Matt Fraction retcon of his origins in the "Mandarin: The Story of My Life" story told in Invincible Iron Man Annual#1. So yeah... pretty damn recently.
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perfect choice Man In Suit, of course....
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April 10, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST
Kingsley can be great. But hes done a fair amount of "paycheck" movies, and hes pretty bad in those.
by dahveed1972
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April 10, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST
Ten to one say that if they do use the Mandarin, there will be a name change. Or they will refer to him by one of his aliases for the majority of the movie.
by dahveed1972
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April 10, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST
And there will be another Chinese character to counteract any controversy.
by dahveed1972
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April 10, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST
It might help if they chose a big Hong Kong movie star for the role.
by dahveed1972
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April 10, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST
dahveed1972- That would probably be a good way to go, not to mention help introduce some new talent to the U.S.
by ShadowVoyd
Sadly, Tadanobu Asano was wasted as Hogun in Thor (I prey they don't waste talent like that again in the sequel), so he's out. But then again, he's Japanese anyway, so that probably wouldn't have worked regardless (less there be cries of American "interchangeable Asian" ignorance and apathy- and they might not be wrong either). <P> I almost want to nominate Jang Wen, but you'd almost think they were trying too hard to create not only a thematic, but visual parallel between The Mandarin and RDJ's Iron Man. Actually, you know what? That doesn't bug me one bit.
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April 10, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST
I pray- not prey.... I cannot beleive I just did that. This talkbalk done made me all agressive-like.
by ShadowVoyd
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April 10, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST
CHEVY CHASE SHOULD BE THE VILLAIN OF IRON MAN 3!
by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS
He could play a rich asshole who starts arguments with other rich assholes. It could end with Tony Stark frying his brain and dropping him off at a community college, thereby making Community an unofficial spin-off of IRON MAN 3! Dynamite!
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April 10, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST
The Mandarin is a fne villian if you subtract a few elements...
by jgsugden
You can have a 'Mandarin' in the Iron Man movies if you just wash over the racist aspects. Don't use the name - just call him by his given name (he has a had a few different ones in the comics), play down the politics and focus on his business and criminal organization ties. As an example, an orphaned son living in a small village in 1975 runs away from home and discovers a cave - that house an ancient crashed space vehicle of an alien race. He discovers technology that infuses him with alien DNA, making him faster, smarter, stronger and capable of mastering the 10 ring technology of the vehicle. He surfaces from the vehicle and uses the rings to create a much better life for himself, although he keeps the rings a secret and only uses them when he can keep their existence a secret. As the decades pass he rises in the business and criminal communities to a place of power. He spends decades trying to duplicate the power of the alien technolog, but fails. When he sees news coverage of the events in the Avengers he comes to the conclusion that Stark's technology might also be based on alien tech (as the alien Thor and other aliens in the movie can't be a coincidence in his eyes). Our villian hires a Ghost/Spymaster type to steal the tech of Stark, (insert armor wars storyline if you want a longer movie), Stark catches the spy and tracks the mission back to the mastermind. Big fight. A perfectly fine storyline that could feature a villian from China, Japan, India, Afghanistan, California, Cuba, or Norway.
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will be solved in Avengers 2 or Thor 2. There's no such thing as magic--Green Lantern got that right at least--but there is manipulation of reality at the quantum level. The only missing factor in our tech is the location and use of conscious control. You can bet Tony Stark wants to get a close look at the Bifrost, and when he does, he'll be ready for the Mandarin. I'm looking forward to his meeting with Hemdal.
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The origin of the rings don't fit in to this Iron Man's reality, but Thor does? Nice try, but I'm not buying it.
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Oh fuck this shit with the quantum physics. Nowadays everyone throws this word if he wants to magically explain every crazy stuff that happens in a work of science fiction. Quantum has become synonymous with magic.
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April 10, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST
Even though Mandarin is confirmed out, I don't think it was a racism thing...
by Kabrix
Look at Ken Watanabe in PotC: At World's End... fu-man-chu and long nails and all, and nobody complained about that. I doubt Mandarin would be looked on any differently.
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a worldwide renowned theoretical physicist who discovered binary error correction code in his super-string equations? there is a video in tube where he talks about that with Neil Degrasse Tyson. scary stuff.
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That Frakewreck 'Thunderbirds' as the Hood Apparently difficult to work with too. Doesn't really sound like an ideal candidate under the current regime much like the Ed Norton fiasco. I'm sure his agent is hopeful this would be a risky move in the light of the importance placed on on set harmony at Marvel/Disney
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April 10, 2012, 3:57 p.m. CST
Let's have Bethany Cabe, her mysterious sub-plot, and then THE LIVING LASER
by Roger Moon
That was a taut little story that appeared in Iron Man in the early 80s, around issue 151-153. John Romita Jr. and Bob Layton. Also featured Shellhead's all-black Stealth armor and a wicked showdown with the Living Laser. Good romantic side plot with Bethany Cabe. Anyway, Pepper Potts is boring. (The Cabe babe was also present for the Demon in a Bottle storyline, and she helped Tony through the worst of it.)
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I don't see why The Mandarin can't be portrayed as Chinese without offending anyone. Get an Asian actor, though. Kingsley is great, but he is obviously not Asian. He would make a good Count Nefaria, though. Someone mentioned Iron Fist as an Asian hero; he is not. He is a Caucasian American named Daniel Rand who is a highly trained martial artist and mystic. I think someone confused him with Shang-Chi, who is Chinese.
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April 10, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST
besides mandarin,most of iron mans villans are sucky one trick ponys,there practicly like megaman villans
by TheAwareness
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for every Sneakers, there's a Thunderbirds. For every Sexy Beast, there is a Prince of Persia.
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April 11, 2012, 4:30 a.m. CST
The only way I could possibly be looking forward to this movie
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
First of all no fucking Ben Kingsley. Fuck him. I Google picture'd this Mandarin freak and he looks like a fucking weirdo. But he's definitely the way to go. But Christopher Nolan has to be the director. Or else fuck this franchise. And fuck the Avengers too. It looks like it was directed by a team of 12 year old boys. I've already seen that movie and it was called Fantastic 4. I'm over it! Captain America looks like a giant dildo. Iron Man 2 sucked fucking ass too. I'm down for some Thor 2 though bitches.
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This reeks of Liam Neeson as Ra's Al Ghul in Batman Begins all over again. Sure they're SAYING Mandarin is out. But Ben Kingsley would be a phenomenal Mandarin. I'm putting money down...he's the Mandarin. http://batstud.blogspot.com/
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Watanabe in POC was...unfortunate. In the sense that the moment he as a non-white threatened the white woman, he was dead meat walking and you could pretty much hold your breath longer than his remaining cinematic life-span.
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April 11, 2012, 7:38 a.m. CST
Quantum Physics has always been synonymous with magic "spooky action at a distance" "Schrodinger's Cat Theorem" etc...
by Griff
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