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Here's Harry's promised look at the PROMETHEUS script or was it - no outright spoilers - but if you already want to see this film, don't read this!
Hey folks, Harry here - and it's been a curious and interesting day. You see - I first saw this script about 3 weeks before the first PROMETHEUS non-teaser trailer hit. I read it - and wasn't convinced it was real - thus - I never mentioned it on the site. THEN... that next trailer hit and things really seemed to key up. Nearly everything seemed to come out of that alleged 2nd Draft. I had conversations with folks about the script, who worked on the film - and most of what I would consider the spoilery things, well, it was syncing with what they would tell me.
So then I post the following... Today, shit hits the fan and @DamonLindelof starts writing me on Twitter saying that there is no "Planet Zeus" in his draft or @jonspaihts and that he feels I have been duped. Then Jeff Jensen of Entertainment Weekly tweeted a question to his followers about rather or not somebody ever knew of a filmmaker that blatantly lied to protect the secrecy of their project. Lindelof responded, "Never. That would be deplorable. #IAmLyingRightNow" Then an hour later Lindelof tweeted, "Harry, I swear upon The Force and Geekdom itself that what you read is 100% bogus. I would never lie about this." And finally an hour later he tweeted at me, "THERE ARE NO SKRULLS IN PROMETHEUS!!! (but seriously, if you stand by this script, so be it, but I know how to spell "Zeus.")"
If Lindelof swears upon the Force and Geekdom itself that what I read is 100% bogus, then as someone that has had several intoxicating drinks and have geeked out with Lindelof, I must say - The script I read must be bogus, because Lindelof has sworn so - and I am happy that I know nothing about PROMETHEUS and that apparently every source that I know on this film - and that things I've heard from others is also complete fabrication. Because that means I'm completely pure for this film then! And that would be fantastic too.
SO - what's the deal with this draft. Misspellings of ZEUS aside - there's an awful lot of material in the script that seems to somehow echo the film. For example - Mr Beaks called to tell me the script was fake, because well... he has sources too. Yet, when we started trading notes - I knew everything that he did, but that came from the script. Beaks & Quint are following up on this, and we'll have some additional PROMETHEUS 'alleged' information in the next couple of days.
BUT do realize, for me - I feel no shame in the following. I was sent the script, read it. Did a few months of digging. Thought about writing Lindelof, but the reality is he's signed a non-disclosure clause and it isn't like he's able to really tell me things, but he could have said, "BULLSHIT." And at that point it would've stopped any stories.
AICN has always been about reporting news & rumors and that is what this was. I actually have the highest of respect for Damon Lindelof - and talking to him about STAR TREK with Orci & Kurtzman at the HIGHBALL after our STAR TREK screening is a wonderful night of geeking out and drinking. Lindelof is good people and if he and Ridley have kept us all in the dark... FANTASTIC. Good show and best of luck with the badassery y'all intend to release.
Harry
The following "script review" could in fact be bullshit, but my passion for the ideas that the script put forth, which may or may not echo things in the eventual film is rock solid. We know we're learning more about the Space Jockey... and to me, that's what has me most excited by PROMETHEUS - and if we don't get a single ALIEN that looks like Giger's from the Original ALIEN - I'll be ecstatic. I hope they have conspirted to give us a far more indepth look at the universe that eventually gave birth to ALIEN.
Hey folks, Harry here… thanks for checking out the YouTube show, and if you missed it, here it is:
Now that you’ve seen it, you might be thinking, WHERE THE FUCK IS THAT PROMETHEUS SCRIPT REVIEW?
Well, here we go…
First off, I won’t be directly quoting from the script, that’s how these things get pulled. But I will tell you exactly what I read. And what it made me think of. And what it could mean for the final film and our overall experience with PROMETHEUS.
This was Damon Lindelof’s 2nd Draft.
I know there have been changes, because the whole Archeology angle that we’ve seen in trailers… none of that was in the script. AND it was a very fucking tight 79 pages, but never left me particularly WANTING for more. What was on the page showed me that Ridley Scott hasn’t reached a point in his career where he was motivated for a nostalgic career revisit for the PAYCHECK. He came back because there’s a lot left to be said.
We learn in this film, that mankind, though space faring, has yet to make contact with an Alien Civilization… that we’re aware of.
The mission puts a Michael Crichton-esque team of experts in their field, combined with the technician types, an android and the company person – and they’re all on mankind’s fastest most technologically advance space craft yet engineered, because the PROMETHEUS, it’s Weyland’s opportunity to take advantage of whatever that first contact experience could possibly bring them.
This mission isn’t to LV-426, it is to a different planet, that at least in this draft was referred to as the leader of the ancient Greek Gods… ZEUS.
Much of the film is about the historic and curious nature of this expedition of discovery.
Then there’s the freaky fucking scary parts. You know what’s scary? It’s that the Space Jockey’s race… You’ve no idea what they are. That’s what these folks find out. Other than the Alien Queen… pretty much nothing of worth has been added to the ALIEN universe since Ridley Scott, Dan O’Bannon & H.R. Giger went to make the original masterpiece. When people get all angry and bitchy about Cameron’s film, ALIENS, and we all know who these people are. Essentially it is that factoid that pisses them off. That Cameron switched genres. Personally, that’s what I love about Cameron’s ALIENS, which in terms making me quote happy and giddy watching… ALIENS takes me to places that ALIEN didn’t go. BUT – man, ALIEN just introduced that entire universe… and other than a few comic books… which are technically not canon… we really don’t know much about the SPACE JOCKEYS.
I’ve had COUNTLESS geek conversations with friends that ALL went nuts on how the franchise just became the latest egg hatching, face-hugger, impregnation, chest-bursting, aspects of host variation on GIGER Alien design.
Here we’ll see the face of a SPACE JOCKEY, at least. Have you ever wondered what a Space Jockey would do if it came across a human being? A group of human beings? Would it be violent? Curious? Scientific? And yeah… what you will experience in this film will truly have impressive surrealistic scary fuck me baby jesus style sequences. Unless they get all pussy on us and that stuff doesn’t happen. BUT I BET IT DOES.
I love that in the script, there’s strange visual references to Giger’s artwork from Jodorowsky’s abandoned DUNE project. And that when I read the reference, I knew the exact image they were thinking of. The “Temple” that some folks are thinking is bullshit tie-in crap to ALIEN VS PREDATOR’s Mayan stuff… WRONG. Go explore Jodorowsky’s DUNE work – if you’re curious you’ll be rewarded with a smile when you finally see PROMETHEUS – and I love that it has been adapted.
There’s parts of the script that read like lucid nightmares of a Lovecraftian variety. That’s very cool. Reading PROMETHEUS, I smiled because it isn’t the movie I thought it was going to be. And I haven’t given you nearly enough to know what I’m talking about… but honestly, I don’t want to spoil the various reveals and turns that this movie makes.
It will play with what we know of the ALIEN universe… but then absolutely mindfuck you with a different twist on things we thought we understood.
IF that movie is still in PROMETHEUS – and I have to tell you – every line and every image I see in the trailer, I absolutely recognize VERBATIM from the script, except that Archaeology and TED talk. Things have been added, but let’s see if Rothman’s balls have dropped. I think they have. Watching a film like CHRONICLE, it honestly gave me a bit of hope from that company. I liked MONKEYS ARE MAD AS HELL AND AREN’T GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE. I loved AVATAR. But I have to say. If they made the movie I read… then no matter what, the happy I have for everyone involved in the creation of that 2nd Draft… I applaud.
This feels like the man that directed ALIEN has gotten older, he’s no longer interested in just making another “GOTCHA” movie. He’s aged. Become a man of industry. He’s made films about the past, the present and of dire situations. Ridley Scott has been knighted and is respectfully acknowledged as Sir Ridley Scott – and Sir Ridley seems to be inviting us upon a rumination of the big questions that the highest minds ponder and pontificate upon. The big questions. Has he gone and made this thing so classy that it’ll be a snooze fest? No. I’m betting that when we collectively go see this thing, from the opening till the closing we’ll spend a great deal of time going, “WHOA!”
At least that’s what I suspect and I CAN NOT FRIGGIN WAIT!
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Can't wait to see how this turns out...
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Can't wait.
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This will disappoint.
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God I hope not. My love for the script is why I bought that Space Jockey, just so I could put it on my desk on the Drive In - I can not wait to see if they pull this off. I really can not wait.
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Can't wait for this!
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...the story from that leaked treatment or whatever it was - and what people made of it when the trailer hit and got analyzed by the internets... is the real deal?
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READ JAMES CAMERON'S 1987 RESPONSES TO ANGRY FANS WHO HATED ALIENS: http://io9.com/5898580/read-james-camerons-1987-responses-to-angry-fans-who-hated-aliens THE ABOVE ARTICLE PROVIDES THE LINK TO THE ORIGINAL INTERVIEW: http://www.alienscollection.com/jamescameron.html
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April 6, 2012, 4:33 a.m. CST
@jack_north that seems to be case.and if indeed this is the case
by KilliK
then expect for a big disappointment. A planet called Zeus? a spaceship named Prometheus? i mean really? do they have to spill out the metaphors to the average movie audience?
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April 6, 2012, 4:40 a.m. CST
i'm guessing one of the twists is that Space Jockeys didn't create the alien, we do by messing with their technology
by ahdvd
It would only make sense for why something so dangerous would be created by a race - accidentally as a result of messing with advanced tech we don't know how to use.
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April 6, 2012, 4:42 a.m. CST
Killik - maybe they should have named the ship Titanic just to really stick it to fate!
by ahdvd
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How does that reconcile with Sir Ridley and Damon confirming that it is indeed an alien prequel? And the crashing of the SpaceJockey ship? I guess it's fair to figure that the SpaceJockey race set up multiple planets, but still...
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April 6, 2012, 5:02 a.m. CST
A spaceship called Prometheus? Why not just call it the Icarus?
by Gabe Athouse
Or the Sisyphus, perhaps.
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April 6, 2012, 5:04 a.m. CST
By the way, in that shirt, Harry looks like an entire Hawaiian island.
by Gabe Athouse
Just kidding, you semi-literate son of a gun, ya.
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today nobody knows about greek mythology. Or any general knowledge besides what dress Lady Gaga wore yesterday. It's just strange-sounding names for them.
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I think this is the script Harry is talking about. I'm reading it right now and it's just like the one Harry read. Although prometheus-movie.com thinks it's fake, there is no official word. It's also the second draft by Lindelof. (Even has the reference to Jodorowski's Dune temple.) http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/leaked_script.txt
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Harry, can you at least debunk that spoiler that came out last year that was supposed to fan-fic but has still yet to be contradicted by any marketing to date?
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I hope I'm not a douche for posting that link :S
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April 6, 2012, 5:26 a.m. CST
@afterhourss i am reading the script right now and it confirms a lot of
by KilliK
things from that supposedly leaked plot synopsis,things that we speculated from the various trailers and a bunch of stuff from that old Red Harvest script (terraforming,telepathic Jockeys). And it looks that the crashed derelict we see in the trailer and the planet with the waterfalls ARE NOT the derelict and the LV426 planet from the original Alien movie.they are completely different.
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of the movie will cause more questions than answers and that we should expect sequels.hm.
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Not a douche (whatever that is), but a bit inappropriate me thinks....I am not going near it....
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have nothing to do with the derelict in Alien,then Ridley is full of bullshit because he has repeatedly said that he wanted to make a movie about what happened to the dead Jokey and its spaceship that we see in Alien. but Prometheus is not about that Jokey and spaceship,it is about a different Jokey and a different ship.They are trying to trick the fans with their campaign to think that it is an official prequel to Alien,but in reality it isnt.And Ridley will come out clear because he has never confirmed that it is official prequel,he has only said that it has Alien DNA in it. Prometheus will turn out to be the biggest bait and switch in the movie history.
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Because, sometimes, there's plurals.
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April 6, 2012, 5:54 a.m. CST
Hey, can Harry confirm whether or not afterhourss' link is the script he read?
by Gabe Athouse
This should be an interesting read, anyway.
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April 6, 2012, 5:55 a.m. CST
i love how he's still pimping his kong-bomb youtube bit
by Windowlicker74
while it's just the article below:)
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I am reading the script online now that is linked to above. It's god awful. I don't think it is legit. It reads like fan-fiction.
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...that this online script that is linked to above is a fake. The last minute connection to ALIEN is laughable. I don't buy this script as legit for anything.
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April 6, 2012, 6:05 a.m. CST
The afterhourss-linked script is filled with grammatical errors.
by Gabe Athouse
So either it's fake or poorly transcribed or Lindelof ain't big on book learnin'.
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April 6, 2012, 6:09 a.m. CST
@emit brown: The ending doesn't make it look fake to me. "Sarcophagus’s" does.
by Gabe Athouse
I'm reading it anyway.
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April 6, 2012, 6:12 a.m. CST
Harry, re... "what a Space Jockey would do if it came across a human being?" But I thought Fassbender turns into the Space Jockey or am I wrong?
by Carrie Fisher
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That ending is so tacked on, only a retarded film student could write such bad fan fiction. This ain't real. I put my money on it.
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and "your" and "you're" have yet to be used correctly. I'm thinking this script be fake.
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i agree with emit that the script is terribl and haywire...not professional at all. while it does confirm a lot of things, it is quite possible that it was crafted keeping in mind all the trailers and other tidbits, to make it seem real. but on the other hand, there are notes and references to Scott's sketches and Mr. Giger etc....I dunno what the deal is. But then again, if it's real indeed, it's only the second draft and I'm sure ridley and lindelof would have refined it further and honed it into the classy, epic film that the trailers are promising us.
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u never read a tarantino screenplay apparently :)
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April 6, 2012, 6:17 a.m. CST
You're blood has reprocessed and replaced all of the chilled feline solution in your body.
by Gabe Athouse
Uh....
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Everyone should read this just to identify bad fan fiction. If we can smell it a mile away Harry and Co., why can't you all? Jeezus.
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Apparently you can't use quotation marks in subject headings here.
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April 6, 2012, 6:18 a.m. CST
Btw Harry, this script review is just the kind if thing that AICN used to be known for... do stuff like this more often!
by mdk
And, I liked the Youtube show too. I think you need to punch up the dialogue somewhat and work on your comic timing, but hopefully, you'll improve with practice. Good first effort, though. Just don't turn it into Pawn Stars with cool props.
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I have. Tarantino's dyslexic. Whoever wrote this is just illiterate. Fake. Sorry.
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April 6, 2012, 6:24 a.m. CST
Yeah, so Harry read an obviously fake script and thought it was real and AWESOME
by Gabe Athouse
And then reviewed it! Jesus.
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April 6, 2012, 6:26 a.m. CST
Dear Oh Dear: "The OPEN shot is that of SPACE... (see Scott's sketches for more details) Laughing. My. Fuckin. Ass. Off.
by Carrie Fisher
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It sounds like Ridley Scott has a strong set of ideas behind him, and that the film isn't going to be an attempt to rekindle the flame of Alien - its going to be its own beast, and do its own thing!! I cannot wait!!
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April 6, 2012, 6:28 a.m. CST
Whoever wrote this pathetic attempt at a "leaked script" clearly has never read one before. Christ its bad.
by Carrie Fisher
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This might be worth reading just for the LOLZ
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...believed this was a real script. You have to vet your sources much better. You're like the boy who cried wolf. You and your "staff". Pretty sad guys.
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MUDOW So what brought you on this little adventure? SHAW I'm an Archaeologist along with Holloway outside. We were digging up ruins on a site in Tibet when Weyland asked us to examine ruins on some lifeless planet they found. It was all rushed. MUDOW I hope it's worth all the money the company invested on this mission. SHAW So do you work for Weyland? MUDOW That's right, eleven years. SHAW It's a nice ship, looks fancy MUDOW It should be. It's the first ever ship to have been fitted with FTI speed technology. SHAW Seems like an expensive ship By the way: "FTI?" What's that, Faster Than Ignorance?
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April 6, 2012, 6:46 a.m. CST
Oh my. Harry needs medical help if he thought this was real. Seriously.
by Gabe Athouse
VICKERS So you're the ships Science officer huh? DAVID That's right DAVID stares at the palm of his hand which has been cut. White fluid drips from the wound. VICKERS Does it hurt? DAVID I don't feel pain VICKERS I've always wondered what goes on inside the head of a synthetic DAVID I too have wondered what it would be like to see what's inside the head of a human. But I think even that would frighten a synthetic INT. CONTROL ROOM Both CHANCE and RAVEL; both dressed in white robes sit by their control seats. The door opens and JANEK walks in. Both CHANCE and RAVEL stand up and salute. JANEK This ain't the military guys. What's our status? It was nice of Janek to point that out to the inexplicably saluting guys. By the way, the milk-dripping wound on David's hand? He just sits down to eat like that with no explanation. I want to be a Hollywood script reader if they're all this funny.
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They played THE HOBBIT trailer in 3D, too. The caveat was that they were followed by WRATH OF THE TITANS.
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How do you even know you're reading the same script Harry did? Bit presumptuous, don't you think?
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April 6, 2012, 6:55 a.m. CST
Harry PLEASE say that the script you have isn't this one: http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/leaked_script.txt
by Carrie Fisher
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April 6, 2012, 6:57 a.m. CST
@hyperdyne-systems-model-120-a2 "FTI?" What's that, Faster Than Ignorance? Lol. Nope, the new moniker for AintitCool
by scrote
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Gave me a mind grain worse than the biggest hangover you'll ever encounter... In other words utter bollocks of the highest order. Badly written, with atrocious punctuation, and a lack of even the most common script writing formatting. No way is this real. Fanfic all the way.
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April 6, 2012, 7 a.m. CST
So if this isn't 'the' jockey & derelict ship in Prometheus, then what...this godlike race just flies about the cosmos, crashing their ships everywhere?
by obijuanmartinez
Not disagreeing, but it seems a bit ham-fisted for super-beings...and Zeus is taking exposition a mite far; think the Prometheus reference is adequate!
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and some fanboys here are whining about that?! You cellar dwellers want it both ways. You want the mystery of the space jockey in the original Alien to remain - well NOW YOU'VE GOT THAT. We will never know the story behind that particular SJ - so BE HAPPY! And now you're still whining that it's not LV-426! You just NEED something to bitch about, any reason to hate on this film will do. Dickwads.
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to do this film justice, does it have to be "R" or can it get away with "PG-13"?
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April 6, 2012, 7:10 a.m. CST
Just keep taking the meds harry, everything will be...all.....right....
by cameron
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April 6, 2012, 7:13 a.m. CST
Just skimmed through the script link posted - WRETCHED fan-fiction - Reads like Kevin J. Anderson!
by obijuanmartinez
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Do you happen to know if the Peter Briggs who's mentioned in that link you posted (to Cameron's responses to angry Aliens fans) is the same Peter Briggs who went on to write the 1991 draft of Aliens vs Predator? Not the draft that Anderson shot, but the original draft that Fox bought?
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April 6, 2012, 7:19 a.m. CST
Harry. You know how you laugh off people who critique your writing?
by Gabe Athouse
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April 6, 2012, 7:20 a.m. CST
Perhaps if you took the time to write properly you wouldn't think this was professionally-written dialogue:
by Gabe Athouse
Everyone apart from DAVID are all in the Mess Hall eating the weird jelly like substances and Corn bread. SHAW is sitting next to both MUDOW and HOLLOWAY. She notices Vickers; now wearing a suit is sitting in a corner away from the table. SHAW Who is she? MUDOW Meredith Vickers. She's a company suit sent here to make sure all of our actions are in the Companies best interests. Janek might be in charge of the ship but Vickers can end all of our contracts just by blinking. JANEK stands up and hits is spoon off his steel cup. Everyone stops chatting and looks up at him. JANEK Can I have everyone’s attention please. Captain speaking. Now this mission was kinda rushed so I didn’t get to know everyone too good so if you'll indulge me I'll try and break the Ice. Now we all know that on the year 2042 the Voyager 3 programme flew past this star system and on 2069 the images arrived at the Hubble 2 and those pictures were of a small planetoid named Zeus and The pictures showed what looked like the Nazca lines. It may be nothing but Weyland spent a large amount of money on this hunch so that's why were all on this little trip. I'll start with the crew. There's me, Captain Janek and over here we have First officer Mudow, she'll tend to any medical related problems and if any of you have problems wetting the bed at night. There are laughs from the group. JANEK Our two lazy mechanics Ray and Joshua who I'm told are geniuses with a couple of wrenches and duck tape. Over here is my trusty pilot Ravel. He's flown every kind of ship there is including an M-Class star freighter. And meet my young handsome Navigator Chance. He's the best navigator there is but still has trouble finding the clitoris.
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Assuming the planet was discovered the same way we find planets in other solar systems, naming it Zeus likely would come years before the building of Prometheus, so the ship would be named for the planned trip. I can't wait for this, the theory put up about humans becoming the Alien, and then infesting the Jockey ships makes sense to me. There may be more than one of the ships, and through mans meddling with science, we could accidently wipe out the jockey species. Cool.
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April 6, 2012, 7:30 a.m. CST
HAHAHAHAH http://www.prometheusforum.net/fake-leaked-script.txt
by BIGCOJONES
HAHAHAH FAKE FAKE FAKE HOW MANY TIMES BEING BUTTHURT ALREADY HARRY? http://www.prometheusforum.net/fake-leaked-script.txt
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Firstly, the ending is terrible and hokey. Secondly, this peice of dialogue appears in it: JOSHUA Faster than Light. After those big boys at CERN created antimatter WEYLAND took it over and they developed antimatter into a fuel source. That's what’s powering this ship and that's what's giving us gravity. Think of it like this. The Earth and other planet's with gravity have cores which creates gravity. Well the antimatter is the ships core 'The earth and other planet's [note misuse of apostrophe] with gravity have cores which creates [misuse of plural for create] gravity [repetition of 'gravity' makes this a clumsy sentence]'. Multiple mistakes within that one line, and even if it was grammatically correct it is a terrible line of dialogue that barely makes sense.
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I want this to be good, but I just think it won't be quite what we think. I'm a little concerned about de-mystifying the Space Jockey, mainly, and that we seem to have lost the grime and grit of the universe established in the first film. However - you've read the script and I haven't, so I'll take your word for it!
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I wanted facts and I got info that everyone knew already.....
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Confirmed by Ridley a couple of weeks ago in an online Q&A with fans. Alien 3, Resurrection and Alien vs Predator can fuck off. Was hoping you'd divulge a big spoiler Harry. Most of that stuff is already known.
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Yeah, you push it. Yeah, you push it.
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Crazy. It's an awesome film, just wish they had stopped there, or at least gone back to the jockeys. But now we have Prometheus looming, what fire will we take from these gods?
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April 6, 2012, 7:55 a.m. CST
The unbelievable badness of the script which calls Harry's sanity into question...
by Gabe Athouse
...makes me think he'll be so ashamed of thinking it's real that he'll never be able to post on his site again. Then I realize that Harry is too insane and stupid to know how insane and stupid he is.
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EXT. PROMETHEUS. DAY The large craft speeds through the Atmosphere it is still engulfed in a fireball. As it speeds down the fire fades and the brightly lit craft. INT. CONTROL ROOM. DAY Suddenly the shaking stops and the shutters begins to go back to it's normal grey color. CHANCE That's us in sir LOLZ
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A RUUUUDE AWAKENING
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if this is indeed the script harry read?? :P just give the benefit of the doubt. but if it IS the script that harry read, then... i'm reminded of the time when he posted a 'viral first look' pic of anne hathaway as catwoman as an aicn exclusive that he found from an email which directed him to some site or something. and it turned out to be a fake that had been around for atleast a year...i dont remember the exact circumstances, but u get the drift.
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April 6, 2012, 8:15 a.m. CST
You can tell from the review that it's the same script.
by Gabe Athouse
And he wasn't simply fooled by a lie. He was fooled by an obviously fake script. I mean, seriously, it reads like it was written by an emotionally-retarded 12 year old for whom English isn't a first language. And he loved it!
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I can GUARANTEE that this is the film which will divide opinion the most this year. Ridley just cannot win with this one.
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April 6, 2012, 8:40 a.m. CST
Everything I've seen of this film has been mind-bendingly awesome
by Jaster Mareel
The last time that happened was The Dark Knight, so I have high hopes.
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As others have said, spelling and formatting errors galore. Very few scripts ever state where credits go, never mind which ones where, and NONE mention production sketches. As I'm sure others have here, I've written several feature scripts (one commissioned, so I'm no complete amateur) and this "script" is just plain fake. Sorry, Harry. You've been duped.
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WTF!
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April 6, 2012, 8:46 a.m. CST
well...that fake script certainly looks like the one Harry is talking about
by Jaster Mareel
It says it's Lindeloff's 2nd draft and mentions the abandoned Dune art. Wow.....Harry, Harry Harry. You used to check sources dude. What the hell happened to you? Lord knows you've been punked like 100 times, but now in the premiere episode of your show? YEESH!
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April 6, 2012, 8:57 a.m. CST
Cont.Day. Int. Ainticool.com. Eight graders are xapable of more depth and insight...
by scrote
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April 6, 2012, 8:57 a.m. CST
The Earth and other planet's with gravity have cores which creates gravity. Well the antimatter is the ships core
by I Hope You Die
HOLYSHIT THAT IS FUNNY. Harry thought this piece of shit was real?
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April 6, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST
i still am not understanding why someone would read a script to a potentially awesome film
by Robert Evans
i liked to be surprised when i spend my money..
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You'd be duped by this fake script too if you were addicted to Vicodin and perpetually existed in a drug-addled haze. THAT SAID... ain't it intervention time?
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If this is the real thing, what's the point in reviewing an older draft? The final product will likely be different anyway. Also, is AICN going to be dropping the N? That's the vibe I get from this article. I may be wrong.
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I'd prefer to not be lumped in with these individuals you mention with regards to Aliens, Harry. I like Aliens as a film. I like the direction Cameron decided to go in. I don't necessarily condone the lighter take, but I do like the way the film ended up. I still like putting that Blu-ray in now and then, but not nearly as often as Alien. Now...what I do NOT like about it: 1. The queen - I absolutely HATE the concept and have ever since I saw the film back in '86 (1st show, 1st day, I was there in my seat 45 minutes before anyone else entered the theater). To me it was a slap in the face to Ridley's film and the cocoon scene. Yes, I know it was cut originally, however Cameron, in a interview which I still have, stated he was a "fan" of Alien and wanted to honor that film. Well, to me a true fan would take into account that scene and write the sequel accordingly instead of indicating in the same interview that he didn't care what a few die hard fans thought about his ignoring the cocoon scene. Oh? Really, Jim? You mean those fans you MADE THE MOVIE FOR? You mean those fans that came to your movie and made you and Fox a TON of money? That aside, my BIGGEST gripe with the queen is it's femininity. It has built in HIGH HEELS for crying out loud!! RIDICULOUS!! It looks silly running toward Ripley whereas the alien in Alien was graceful and elegant. 2. The aliens act like insects. The creature was so frightening in the first film. The concept of more of them seemed almost too much to handle (in a story sense), but rather than live up to that potential, Cameron turned them into mindless bugs. If I want bugs, I'll watch Starship Troopers. 3. "Arcturian poon tang". Stupid. Embarrassingly stupid. 4. The eggs...they look NOTHING like the ones in the original with the exception of the basic shape. The "petals" peel back like a banana, COMPLETELY at odds with the original and the interior looks like it's nothing more than a hollow rubber shell. The eggs in the film are THE worst of ANY Alien film to date. 5. A technical gripe: Ripley's long hair at the beginning...it looks like a wig which I'd bet it is and looks nothing like what the character's hair looked like at the end of Alien. 6. Cameron spits in the face of Giger and Ridley again with the annoying alteration of the Alien design. The removal of the head covering (which was going to be on there according to Stan Winston, but Cameron saw one without it during pre-production and decided he liked it), the bizarre, purposeless and inexplicable forearm extensions (on the sides of the arms), and the removal of the central spinal "spike" (this one I can sort of understand, but I'd still like to see it there), and last but not least...the most ANNOYING alteration: the total LACK of a human looking skull at the front of the head. That little feature made that thing scary as Hell. It might be difficult to see, but that made it even more cool. That feature has never been brought back, sadly. 7. This one has more to do with so-called "fans" than the film itself...There is a segment of the Alien geekdom that for some reason unknown to me seems to want to constantly refer to the creatures as "Xenomorphs" all because of a line in the film taken COMPLETELY out of context. "Xenomorph" is NOT...repeat NOT the name of these creatures!! It is a GENERIC reference to ANY non-humanoid alien species as is perfectly obvious to anyone who actually pays attention to the dialog in the film. To those who would argue, I ask you...Why would the marines have a name for an alien species that they have had no previous contact with, know nothing about other than what Ripley's told them and to some extent are led to assume may in fact be a fabrication of Ripley's imagination? The word "xenomorph" literally means "alien form", i.e. any alien creature. The hunter creatures in the Predator films could actually be accurately referred to as 'xenomorphs'. Other than these annoyances, I love the movie. I like the action and the story is great. But GOD, do I HATE the queen.
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Loved the show, Harry! Can't wait for the next episode!
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Laughably bad. I did hear about though not read myself a treatment which dealt directly with ruins on earth and the uncovering of a star map. The Prometheus encounters the Space Jockeys, the crew is infected with a virus that turns them into prototype xenomorphs, there's wormholes an accident and the surviving crew is sent to another planet which turn out to be. *spoilers* . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Earth of the distant past. David survives and the virus turns him into the first human. The Space Jockey ship is predictably sent to LV426 where it crashes. There's not much chance of this being true either but it's a damn sight more believable that Harry's script.
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April 6, 2012, 9:33 a.m. CST
@DamonLindelof: Hate to break it to you, @headgeek666, but there's no "Planet Zeus" in my draft... Or in @jonspaihts' work. I think you've been duped!
by Talkbacker with no name
He just tweeted that to Harry
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April 6, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST
antonio_bannederas , if it meant your mean hatred for Harry would be deleted along with it, then I'm all for that.
by Talkbacker with no name
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April 6, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST
its a good thing Harry wasnt a horse on the set of LUCK..
by Robert Evans
Good start out of the gate with the youtube show but on the first turn, he shoots himself in the foot.. to the glue factory, sonny jim.
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I'm not a journalist, but shouldn't there be a retraction or something?
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April 6, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST
the only retractions that occur at AICN are halfassed excuses..
by Robert Evans
this was all a huge inside joke and the script was written by Ian Holm.
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Harry was duped. @DamonLindelof: Hate to break it to you, @headgeek666, but there's no "Planet Zeus" in my draft... Or in @jonspaihts' work. I think you've been duped! Get with the effing program, madame.
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Enjoy the crow hooker!
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Madness - it's a great film. The tonal change was perfect, the action was great, and it gave Ripley a nice forum to kick ass. Plus, it was definitely Carrie Henn's greatest performance.
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In your nonsensical passion to wish bad on all genre films, you failed to see that this is a FAKE script. You are so obsessed with laying hate on all genre things, that you have forgone rationality and clear thinking...not that they were ever your strong points to begin with, but this silly rant of yours proves that nothing involving thought was involved. Seriously, just....stop.
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April 6, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST
lisaB--fuck that shit..you have shown yourself to be a cynical hateful cunt.
by Robert Evans
Desperately wanting films to fail and moist at the thought that we are wrong and will be disappointed. No need to backpedal, you've exposed yourself--now own it.
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Pfft.
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your actions here will have me smiling through the weekend. I can only imagine you realizing that you backed the wrong fatass and start slamming your head against the keyboard cursing AICN that there is no EDIT button.
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That made me chuckle. Well played, Sir.
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lisaB is genderbender
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...and I have a horrible feeling it's poorly transcribed from real source material, why would mankind send such a bunch of muppets to investigate our first encounter with extra-terrestrials? If it's fake, why, according to the trailers, has mankind sent such a bunch of muppets on so important a mission? Either way, it's lose/lose.
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April 6, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST
the only option genderblender has now is to commit TB-seppuku
by Robert Evans
and either get herself banned to erase her mistakes or create a new handle like last time she embarrassed herself, hoping to fool us when she returns. But we all see through her ill-informed tirades and know what is what.
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shes either crying in the shower or hatefucking her body pillow, which she made out of Harry's hair
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Just when you think Harry The Idiot has reached the depth of stupidity, he comes along and redfines the word foolish yet again. If the script he has reviewed is indeed the fake one - which appears to be the case - then that just re-enforces the points I have made before about his obvious lack of education and his ignorance about movies in general. Sure, Harry The Idiot likes to promote himself as a writer and a movie expert but the reality is he is neither. What he actually is is an ill-informed movie geek who hasn't grown up because he has had a spoiled life and nobody has told him he needs to behave like an adult. He is like I was at 13, but with less developed English skills. Knowles got lucky by starting a movie web site pretty much before there was any competition. His entire notoriety is entirely based upon that, nothing else. He hasn't grown as a person since AICN was founded and e site itself has declined because Knowles no longer has any interest in this particular toy. Just like a child, he has new interests, like his self-promoting video show. The trouble is, people just don't seem to notice this. Knowles is a terrible writer and his sole contributions to the site nowadays are either studio-funded puff pieces or laughable gaffs like this one. And yet people still claim to love the guy, still praise him and still worship him as a movie expert. And he believes them. Nothing will change until people actually tell it like it is. Running a review of an obviously bogus script is unforgivable and if Harry The Idiot has any self respect he should fall on bis sword and hand the running of the site over to someone like Quint. But of course this won't happen because of all those people who won't call him out on this huge error. Thats just Harry they will say.
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April 6, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST
antonio_bannederas, there is a difference between defending Harry and wanting your comments deleted along with the page if it was removed.
by Talkbacker with no name
I think you are a spiteful little fucker.
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April 6, 2012, 10:13 a.m. CST
Oh lisabender, you have made this Good Friday especially GOOD.
by Robert Evans
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how could it be fake? The internet...LIED to me???'
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Your cheeks are red. Are you embarrassed, hon?
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You're nothing if not reasonable and fair-minded. [/sarcasm]
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Aka, the unemployment line.
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April 6, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST
lisab, I wouldn't worry too much. choppah just craves attention. The fact he is following 772 people on twitter speaks volumes
by Talkbacker with no name
If I follow you, will you follow me? Pleeeeeaseee!!!
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April 6, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST
Because I go to the films, I now am choosing to live in a fantasy world?
by Robert Evans
Now you're on the ropes and grasping at community college sociology generalizations. Yer better than this sweetie
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April 6, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST
talkbacker with no name knows that the best way to attract attention is by mentioning my name.
by Robert Evans
Are you my Twitter stalker, by the way, sweetheart?
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You commented on his post, darling.
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April 6, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST
talkbacker with no name, baby cakes, why the animosity?
by Robert Evans
Huh, lollipop? Why we gotta fight so much, princess? Darling. Light of my life.
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My post about your script written in crayon was meant to be a compliment! It shows real progress. Now you can form letters.
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I was talking about you, not to you, babe
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It was essentially the Wikileaks of movie production. Harry and staff would literally steal scripts, or more specifically, receive stolen scripts. Then they reviewed them. Lots of industry insiders wanted to flaunt their knowledge and the internet, via AICN's anonymity, provided them an outlet for doing so without getting into trouble. So Harry had lots of scoops back then. That got him heaps of traffic because soon this cite was getting cited by major news organizations. At the height of this site's popularity, Harry was a guest reviewer several times on Roger Ebert's show and no doubt that brought plenty of new viewers. But then AICN royally pissed off Ebert and unfortunately I don't remember the circumstances. They had mischaracterized soemthing he had said or something and Ebert wrote a scathing letter. And then there was the big scandal where a couple of people went to jail for stealing a script and handing it to Harry. Harry played ignorant and the guy who provided the script and the AICN staff member who received it both hit the slammer. I think it's Film Threat who has all the taudry details on their site. Anyway, that's when everything changed around here and that's why Harry doesn't want to know where anything is coming from which means it's usually bullshit. So the only way Harry can keep the site going is with Pic of the Day bullshit, linking to news from other sites which he isn't liable for, and studio viral marketing packages he can sell. So when us old-timers talk about the glory days of AICN, now you know what that means.
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go make a PowerPoint presentation and correlate how many followers Im actually following. The math will be a little off. Dont forget to show your work or you wont get credit.
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April 6, 2012, 10:37 a.m. CST
talkbacker with no name, wine jelly, when you come at the CHOP ...
by Robert Evans
... you best not miss, baked Alaska.
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the rest are a desperate attempt to be followed. Cool. Go for it, It's just not very subtle. No I'm not Jon Spaihts. You are getting warmer though ;)
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Damon himself just told you it's not a real script.
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April 6, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST
Bah, whatever, talkbacker. If you're Lindelof, understand that I'm actually a big fan of yours.
by Robert Evans
The LOST finale was aces, in my opinion. But I can see how the overall reaction to it has made you bitter toward your fans, shortcake.
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If the Christians have taught us anything, it's that some Jews love to be nailed for our sins. So I figured it would be appropriate to feature one of the Lord's Chosen People to be today's sacrifice. Today's contestant is ... RACHEL WEISZ!! Does she or doesn't she?
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April 6, 2012, 10:56 a.m. CST
The only thing this site has going for it now are you fine people. Folks like choppah and the like who make this site pretty hilarious at times. But this "script review" is a new low. Even for this site
by ndally
Before I finished reading this so called script review I knew we were being had. When Harry forewarns that things may not go down as written in the finished film my suspicion alarm went off. Then 79 pages(for a second draft?) for a Ridley Scott film? Puh-leeze! Harry knew this wasn't legit and I'm betting deep down all you true talkbackers knew as well. Like I said above I come here for the often hilarious talkback posts. I don't post often but I read regularly and this is such a low even for this website. I just don't know what to say. I know Harry said in the New Year he wants more posts and original shit but let's face it the only reason this site was successful back in the day was because studios had no idea how to deal with the internet and this site got all the juicy info. Now the studios own some of movie news sites and monitor secrets much more closely. Harrys insiders @ Lucasfilm have been weeded out or rendered mute by no more Star Wars films and with them no more Star Wars news/spoilers(which is what made this site back then). Like people have said Damon Lindelof has already shot this story down and Harry could of EASILY confirmed with him before doing this. I'm wondering how many bridges Harry has burned with this. Certainly his peers like Devin Faraci or Drew can't respect an article or self promotion based on such an obvious lie I cringed reading it. I cant believe anyone thought this was real even before Damons confirmation. I had more I wanted to say but at this point I'm sure it will all get said. Harry, dude, this was the last straw and it just broke the camels back. Not to get all melodramatic but i just want to say to all you wonderful piece of shit talkbackers, you magnificent bastards, you make this site what it is today day in day out. Never forget that you are the people that inspired Kevin Smith to make "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" about asshole Internet trolls(oh and fuck Kevin smith). As this site gets worse you get better. Keep it up. Remember they can take away any accurate reporting but they can never take away OUR KEYBOARDS!
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but i'll pass on your kind words to him
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April 6, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST
From the script I read, they are going to Planet Hollywood to look for the birth of mankind but only find an empty building, except for a.........
by Michael Lunney
Yup, you guessed it!!!!
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Cheers.
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April 6, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST
That "leak" is a fake script written by AVPGalaxy.Net board troll NGR01. Why they still let him troll there is beyond me.
by reflecto
Yeah, I'm talking to you.
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April 6, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST
talkbacker can only be only other brave soul to enter here--JJ Abrams
by Robert Evans
Enjoy yer Seder tonight. Next Year in Jerusalem!
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April 6, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST
Did Harry ACTUALLY fall for that? And present it on his pwecious new little show? HARRY, THIS IS A DISGRACE I DID NOT THINK YOU POSSIBLE OF SINKING TO. OWN THE FUCK UP.
by reflecto
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Not a bad story IMO. As far as it being real or fake I simply cant say. but from what D. Lindelof stated there is no planet Zeus and therefore its implied that its not real. Either way I cant wait for this movie to come out!
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Big fucking fan since Felicity. You get a lifetime of passes from the Chop.
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April 6, 2012, 11:11 a.m. CST
choppah, now who's the stalker, honey easter bunny x
by Talkbacker with no name
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April 6, 2012, 11:11 a.m. CST
Im so glad he took the time to read the script and confirm its authenticity...
by Robert Evans
Its not like he other things to do...y'know like a FUCKING DVD COLUMN!!!
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Not sure how anybody could make the mistake that's apparently been made.<P> Wow.
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its not often im in contact with celebs..usually the courts wont allow it. i dint even know you were on Twitter. *follow me and I'll follow you* giggle
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Boiler: FUCK FAKE SCRIPTS Harry: Fuck fake scripts??? That's a weak argument, talkbacker... I mean boiler. I'm just so enthusiastic about film, I got carried away. Boiler: Good point, Harold! Did you lose weight?
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April 6, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST
HARRY KNEW IT WAS FAKE....HENCE THE SHAMELESS VIDEO LINK TO THAT LAME ASS SHOW.
by ThisBethesdaSea
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April 6, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST
Aint It Nipplehead News. This site is a joke...but it keeps on giving.
by scrote
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No love for Alien 3 or Resurrection. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeSn2L_66GA
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.. I am convinced it is somehow based on real material. As if the person watched a rough cut and knocked out a quick transcript. A good example of this is the 'translator' who wrote this has heard the word 'Array' and written 'Orrey', as if English wasn't their first language. Anyway, I'm convinced this is based on an early draft. Sorry, all you haters, but Harry may very well be right.
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Ive read his Superman script and its not his style. :)
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April 6, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST
Seems kind of inappropriate to name a planet Zeus when we already have Jupiter.
by frank
So it is well confirmed that this is all totally fake, right? That is a relief.
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April 6, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST
@cameron1975willi ...Good luck with that, dude. You're gonna be disappointed come June 8th.
by scrote
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I do read it though.
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But what will BOILER spit out?
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April 6, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST
According to this script, Giger is a real douche
by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls
All three of them stand there staring up at the Massive MONUMENT which is shaped like a Human HEAD. (See Mr Gigers concept art. Although he still refuses to get on a plane so email him)
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It could be he doest like to fly.
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Why did you give up on THE DARK TOWER? Enquiring minds want to know.
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I imagine that she loves it up the assz. In fact, I am imagining it right now... Sorry, what were we talking about? Oh yeah, I’m sure ALIEN 2 or whatever will be good.
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The Queen is a byproduct of colonists that have been irradiated (to a degree) from the terraforming plant, and due to damaged DNA, the "Queen" is an altered form of the first movie's Alien. Thus all Aliens produced are second generation copies, who are directly mentally connected to the Queen to serve and protect. Overall, I still love ALIENS. Loved it in the theaters, but after watching it on a small screen I noticed a bunch of problems... namely, "idiot factor" problems. I had no problem at all with how Cameron developed the characters. By giving them there one little scene to make an impression, as well as give them names like Hicks, you pretty much knew who these guys and gals were without having anyone having to step aside to show family photos or tell a story (let me guess... Hicks came from Kentucky or the mid-west, from a farming or hunting family). That way he can further develop character through the course of the story. My problem is how the marines don't act like marines. Granted, Cameron was also throwing back to movies like FIRST BLOOD and SOUTHERN COMFORT, which depicted the sad state of the National Guard during and right after Vietnam (to say their training and disciple was poor would be an understatement), so I get that angle. Even so, to see them (particularly Apone) waiting around for an order to RUN AWAY had me throwing my hands up in the air. But I will say those scenes are few and far between. Nowhere near enough to wreck a movie, but enough to get frustrated when such things can easily be corrected by reading the script before filming anything and just thinking it through. Even so, whether this script is fake or it just goes to show you just how wonderful Lindelof's writing skills truly are. He IS a human being after all. Speaking of bad scripts, you should all read David Goyer's script for BLADE. Jesus Christ is it bad! The same basic gist happens, but the way Goyer writes it... well let's just say that thank God Norrington was the director. In fact, it comes across that Goyer is great as long as he has a Nolin to polish his ideas and limitations... which may just be the case with Lindelof, and could be the reason he is usually paired with someone else.
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April 6, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST
Unfortunately AICN is now perpetually behind the times, even on rumor control.
by reflecto
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April 6, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST
Just noticed syntax errors in my own post which an EDIT FUNCTION WOULD TAKE CARE OF.
by Monroville
Harry? Are you there? Every modern forum section gives people the ability to do simple things like: - insert pictures - insert links - use font functions like BOLD or most importantly: - the ability to EDIT YOUR POST. This IS the year 2012 isn't it? Then again, in less than a year, we may not need an edit function. Think you could make that your Mayan End of the Year Resolution? "If the world does not come to an end in December, then I will create an Edit function for the talkbacks." What about it, big guy?
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Why disappointed? I think it's rather a terrific story, and blends-in very cleverly with the Alien universe. It's clear that this leaked script is a badly translated version of a real early draft. There will've been atleast another draft since and alot of polish. Of course the shooting script is something else entirely. That takes into account everything Ridley brings to the table as an amazing visual director. I for one feel good about this. From what I've read here today, Prometheus could be as amazing as we all hope.
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April 6, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST
What a shame, Harry. There's nothing but a Prometheus carcass left for you
by Roger Moon
You've read the script, you've likely consumed every little tidbit and interview that's come out regarding this. Only the actual film remains, with remains being the operative word. You know the plot, the cast, the ending. Everything. How sad. And it's especially sad that it's for this very movie, a sci-fi extravaganza from the man who created the gold standard of movie sci-fi. There will be no wonder for you. No excitement. No surprises. No gasps of surprise, nothing new. Even if PROMETHEUS doesn't work, I'm happy that at least I'll be going into the theater with a clean slate. I've seen one preview. It did its job and I'm properly enthused. It's been a long wait, and I'm still marking time, but I wouldn't have it any other way. Seems like this modern culture of ours sucks the wonder and surprise out of every little thing. You can learn all about it in advance now. Sad. It must be even sadder for the artists themselves.
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April 6, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST
cameron = NGR01, trolling again. The script was debunked weeks ago. It also bears false names for several characters.
by reflecto
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April 6, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST
The thing is, bacon_aesthetic, Harry didn't even read the real script.
by Robert Evans
This is a bogus one.
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I just hope you're not expecting this on opening day, dude. Because it won't be happening. That's what i meant by being disappointed.
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April 6, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST
It was a melange of rumors and theories blended together into a brief, completely terrible script written in a second or third language. When the guy was caught his defense was....
by reflecto
paraphrased: "So what if someone wrote it and it is fake?? Pretty entertaining huh! Why are you a cop on the Internet??" Except with worse English.
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20 YEARS AGO READ JAMES CAMERON'S 1987 RESPONSES TO ANGRY FANS WHO HATED ALIENS: http://io9.com/5898580/read-james-camerons-1987-responses-to-angry-fans-who-hated-aliens THE ABOVE ARTICLE PROVIDES THE LINK TO THE ORIGINAL INTERVIEW: http://www.alienscollection.com/jamescameron.html
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Directly tie into the start of Alien. The bulk of the story takes place in the same system, just on another planet. Makes sense to me. Lidelof said he likes stories that take place at the same time another story is happening, like in the Bourne series. Pretty cool.
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Didn't want to 'rain on your parade', but it's not even a literate draft. I refuse to believe that Lindelof would write something like this. I understand your contention that it was (might have been) written by someone who has perhaps seen a rough cut of the movie but all I can infer from this woefully written .txt document is that it was written by someone who has seen the trailers for Prometheus and other extraneous material and has crafted a synopsis extrapolated from that. Nothing more.
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Hey dumbass, i've never wrote that fake script. My fakes (and known as such coz i came clean very early that those were wrote to make some sense of what we've known so far) are KFS and PARADISE. So stop the BS campaign. Also xenophobia sucks you fucking racist.
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The Boilers are out in full force today.
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The crack on the derelict ship that the team entered would have occurred if it perhaps fell from the sky because the pilot lost control due to a parasite exploding from his chest? Its gotta be LV-426.
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The fact that the names are different is irrelevant, names often change from draft to draft. Obviously this copy isn't written by Damon, but I'm willing to bet it's based on his draft. It has too many great ideas and details not to be. Way more than we've seen in all offically released material.
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I love that in the script, there’s strange visual references to Giger’s artwork from Jodorowsky’s abandoned DUNE project.
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I love that in the script, there’s strange visual references to Giger’s artwork from Jodorowsky’s abandoned DUNE project.
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There's meant to be the following after the copy/pasted quotes in those two previous Talkbacks: Stop it! You're just fucking with us now!
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April 6, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST
It has no great ideas. It's a piece of shit. It was debunked as a fake weeks ago and everyone knew it but Harry Knowles. Thanks for telling me about all your OTHER fake Prometheus scripts, NGR01.
by reflecto
I'm not a xenophobe, BTW. I just think that if you're going to waste apparently a single afternoon of your life (judging by the quality of that "script," that's how long it took) writing a FAKE version of the movie you're dying to see, you should at least attempt to make it SOUND like it was written in the actual screenwriter's native tongue.
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April 6, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST
BTW, "feline solution?" Really, dude? If you just want to "make sense of what we know so far" DON'T WRITE A HOAX AND CALL IT REAL.
by reflecto
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Jupiter is the name the Romans gave the Greek god Zeus. Could this all take place closer to home than we would like?
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Were Star Wars, Titanic and Avatar. I gave them as gifts to the world. Heck I dont want any credit. I do it for the sake of art!
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Seriously whats wrong with you? Ive never wrote this long fake script. KFS and PARADISE are not script they are just long synopsis made with only intention of making sense of all the infos we have. They were never meant to be taken as REAL and official synopsis. As for the rest, it's clear that you have some grudge against me for god knows what reasons. You don't even have the honnesty to see that some points i made month ago in KFS by pure deduction revealed to be right on the money. As for your personal attacks on the quality of my English or the way i should spend my life i found that quite amusing seeing how your rage makes you react. Got no more time to spare for you bitch. Now get lost.
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I wrote that to, but I dont want credit.
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Feline solution? The writer means saline solution. I now think this is a fake afterall and it's written by someone who's first language isn't English. They had me fooled there for a while. I don't think this is the script Harry is referring to. He must have a real copy. Surely he wouldn't make a mistake of that magnitude? Mind you, I just did.
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Seriously HARRY if you actually reviewed that famously fake script i feel for you.
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April 6, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST
Someone went to alot of trouble to write the fake.
by cameron1975willi
They have kept me entertained for a few hours, and I appreciate it.
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April 6, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST
THIS Synopsis at least reads like it MIGHT be real: http://geektyrant.com/news/2011/11/28/possible-prometheus-synopsis-arrives-spoiler.html
by Dursman2000
This could be a fraud too, but if you're going to write one, at least make it read like it's a professional piece of work. That script was laughably awful, no way it was ever real with that kind of amateur dialogue and spelling errors. But apparently it was enough to put one over on Harry!
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Known as nineinchwonder aka Mark McAllister, the guys from AVPGALAXY found his profile on prometheusforum.net http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=42429.msg1306162#msg1306162 So please stop spreading false infos.
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April 6, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST
I don't know, NGR01, "i've never wrote that fake script" sounds a lot like that fake script.
by Gabe Athouse
Whoever wrote it I doubt English was their first language or they're done with puberty.
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Why would someone take Lindelof's work and re-write it to make it sound like Ed Wood wrote it on a bender, exactly?
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either tear the film to pieces. gush all over it. go asleep in theatre. and hold on to his review of the for so long. that we will be all saying where the eff is your review of this film? or his review will blow hot and cold. and I am not expecting that he will tear the film to pieces. why should harry care as he as always slated 20th Century Fox. except for cameron movies.
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are all there : http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=42529.0 My checklist so far of theories proving to be right on the money : Derelict class Engineer ship under the temple. Giant Humanoid Engineers. Ampules room is a DNA library. Human crew Mutants. Shaw "pregnancy" and surviving it. Prometheus crashing into the Derelict class ship taking off to Earth. Read the rest at you own risk.
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You do understand what extrapolate means? The concepts and ideas expressed in this 'screenplay' are not presented in anything approximating a 'ground-breaking' fashion. It also regurgitates tired reiterations of characters we have witnessed many times before. I cannot stress 'tired' enough. If you wish to indulge in a fervent hope that this will be the movie (based on a frankly infantile screenplay) that you want to see from Ridley Scott this Summer, then I can only conclude that your standards are substantially lacking when it comes to witnessing thoughtful and engaging cinematic fare.
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April 6, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST
@cameron1975willi Sorry, only just read your last couple of posts.
by scrote
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A few posts of yours back you thought the translator had heard ''array'' and written it incorrectly. ''Orrery'' is a real word for a mechanical model of the solar system. I haven't read the script but I assume the, ah, ''scriptwriter'' is using it to describe the big blue holographic model of the galaxy/universe/whatever that we've seen Fassbender's character discovering. I say all this not to be a correcting douchebag, but because I fucking love the word ''orrery'' and want everyone to use it more often.
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The author of the real script Jon Sphait said that it was how they called the Engineer's room. ;)
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I'll admit, I actually kind of sort of liked the first episode of "Ain't It Cool" more than I thought I would. In a weird way, it made me nostalgic for what this site used to be. But now, not only will I never trust another bit of info presented by Harry in any future episode (or write-up), I'll never watch another episode ever again. I was on the fence, but now you've completely lost me. I mean, how does someone screw-up something *this* bad in the first of episode of a supposed passion project? As crude as banned_dirty_ape was earlier, everything he said was true. Harry is simply a child, who has never matured, not as a person or journalist, in the long history of this troubled site. It really is sad. I haven't visited Ain't It Cool News on a regular basis in years, and this incident only confirms why. I was there in the beginning - back in '96 - but consider me done with Harry and this site for good. Quint, you should jump ship before this place sinks completely.
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There's just so many other mistakes in the script, like 'feline solution!'. I just thought he was referring to the array as being the cannon-type thing the space-jockey is sat on in the first Alien movie. That room is also used for the Orrery in this movie. So, it's easy to see how I got confused ;0)
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Oh Harry,Harry,Harry......i do actually feel for you,number 9 on the Richter fail
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er...thanks for that :S
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...is referring to the fake script? And why doesn't Harry come out and defend himself?
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Fuck, it's been a long day and I'm feeling ornery as a polecat in a room full of rockin' chairs. It's Miller time.
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I hate those things more than I hate handovens.
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April 6, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST
Also, ''feline solution'' is an amazing malapropism and I hope it sticks around.
by spacehog
Just another thing I'll be trying to say as often as possible.
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...while I was on the can a couple of weeks ago. I knew it was fake by the time I got to the 2nd page...but kept on reading...you know, so I had something to read whilst on the can. The real kicker was //FAKE SPOILER ALERT// the rape of Shaw by Holloway, when it's pretty clear from the trailers that they're together //END FAKE SPOILER ALERT//. I'm still holding out hope that this is not the script that Harry read.
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April 6, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST
@cameron1975willi... Have you ever know H to own up to a fuck-up?
by scrote
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I'm surprised this article is still up and no one from the site has said anything yet. At the very least, it should be taken down and there should be an apology on the next episode of the show.
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April 6, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST
Orrery winteriscoming, they would but it looks like no one gives a shit anymore
by scrote
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April 6, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST
No one cares what you have that is "right on the money" godlessfrench. We care that you fucking lied about it and wrote fake scripts you tried to pass off as legit.
by reflecto
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I totally agree with you. Sadly, Harry The Idiot is not a humble man and never, ever admits to, or apologises for, a mistake. His usual stance is simply to ignore it ever happened. In recent times he has adopted the approach that any error was an intentional in-joke. In the past he has actually gone so far as to place the blame squarely on someone else (the infamous Oscar nominations incident for example). Does the above behaviour remind you of anything? To me it sounds like the actions of a teenager. It wasn't me, Miss! A big boy told me to do it. And this as I've said before, is Harry The Idiot's problem. He is just immature. I don't have a problem with anyone remaining a child at heart as long as they act like an adult when they have to, accept their responsibilities and obligations. Knowles never does. He is not just a child, but the worst kind of child. A spoilt one. You won't get an apology.
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April 6, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST
THIS MAY BE THE END OF AICN...CAN EVERYONE SAY "ZERO CREDIBILITY"
by ThisBethesdaSea
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April 6, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST
So Harry made his web series debut talking about an officially fake script?
by KilliK
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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I'm enjoying everyone's work in this talkback. Funny shit.
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April 6, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST
At any other respectable site, Harry would've been fired for this shit
by Robert Evans
At least acknowledge the gaffe and move on. Ignoring the err on behalf of the sites creator is showing a serious lack of respect to all parties involved. Harry if you shit yourself, have the decency to clean yourself up afterwards
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Lets not forget the catalog of overpriced movie replicas that bring true fans closer to the films
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Was LisaB's orgasmic yelps right before the donkey punch. The fall of the Berlin wall. 9/11. Natalie portman turning 18. Now this. Where were you when LisaB got laughed outta here? Never forget
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April 6, 2012, 2 p.m. CST
I wasn't going to read Harry's review b/c I'm want to go into the movie as blind as possible. After scanning the TB, I can see that it doen't even matter. Oh well.
by MiggsFacial
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April 6, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST
What adds insult to injury is Harry saying how he's devoted so much time to getting this first episode right
by Jaster Mareel
Ya gotta wonder if he's read this or if he's totally oblivious at this moment. I know he was around when he first put it up and a little while after that because he got mostly positive reviews and chimed in once or twice. It wasn't until hours later that the shit hit the fan. But knowing Harry, I doubt he even gives a shit if the script is fake or not.
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Yo're absolutely right. Harry The Idiot loves to read the sycophantic stuff praising him to the skies but switches off as soon as their is any negativity. That just shows what I've been saying for a long time now. This site is no longer about movies or TV or comic books. It is about Harry Knowles. That is all Harry The Idiot is interested in and has nothing but contempt for anything or anyone else.
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April 6, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST
Dictation software can explain a LOT of what you guys are pointing out
by gotilk
in that leaked script draft. A LOT of writers dictate drafts and WRITE later drafts. Do not be surprised if you all turn out to be wrong just because you couldn't recognize software problems like mind grain instead of migraine. Software. I'm tellin' ya. Even the best dictation software these days makes constant errors like that. And the result reads like something written by a 12 year old. Which is why these are not often shared with the public.
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If episode 2 unfolds thusly: Harry: Hello boys and girls. Today... BOILER: Haaaaaaaarryyyyyyyy... Harry: (Ahem) Today I want to show you this Green Lantern ring. It really works! See, you just... Boiler: The script was a fake Harry. Harry: Push this little button here and the light... Boiler: You reviewed a fake script you dumb fuck. Harry:....Anyway, there's also this little box I got for Oldboy..... Boiler: Planet Zues Harry? PLANET FUCKING ZUESS?!? HARRY: I'M IN THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE REMAKE! YOU'RE A GODDAMN APPLIANCE! FUCK YOU! FUGOOOOOOOO! *Then Moriarty runs in, swings open the boiler's mouth, grabs the Freddy glove and stabs Harry to death with it.*
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Just say something. An apology, an explanation, a backpedalling excuse, a meek acknowledgement. Anything. This staunch silence is painful.
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April 6, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST
Harry's too busy on his DVD column to update this with a retraction
by Robert Evans
Live with it folks. It's better this way
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April 6, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST
Harry shat himself and is Pretending we can't smell it.
by Robert Evans
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how seriously some of you take yourselves... and all of this. Couldn't we all go back to arguing about stitching in space suits instead or something?
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April 6, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST
gotilk, it is not a translation error. And I don't take it seriously any more than the industry's ever taken Harry seriously. It's just funny.
by reflecto
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April 6, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST
By the way, why do any of you give a shit about his DVD column?
by Jaster Mareel
First of all, DVD is dead folks. It is an outmoded model, though I'm sure his column talks Blu-ray too and just keeps the title for nostalgia. Secondly, every single one of you bashes his reviews...then demands his DVD reviews! Seriously, what's the deal? It's not like there aren't a fucking BILLION other dvd/BD review sites on the internet folks. The only reason Harry even does it is so he can put in amazon links and make money off the clicks. Just go to blu-ray.com and be done with it already.
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lacks critical analytical skills. He cannot even break down a film into its component parts. most film reviewers do this. Harry is so naive if he thinks movie studios are really going to hand him over a script about the biggest sci fiction film in 35 years. 20th century plugged the leak gap back in the late 1990's when the shut down all the buffy fan sites who were leaking scripts all over the place. in its recent access all areas piece about Prometheus. Empire were kept in the dark about story details. they said the giant metal head was the greatest thing they ever saw on a film set. it was 30 feet high. Harry has not mentioned the old geezer. who is the old geezer. not even the cast can talk about that. if you want to find out who the old geezer. is watch the film in june?
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You dumb and deaf asshole can't you read properly???? I never passed those synopsis (not script you moron) for real. Are you dense?
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I like the column simply for the fact that it gets film fans to congregate and talk about the films released that week (or two or three or four) Hell I even read harrys thoughts about them, but never has he swayed me or convinced me to check something out. And yes i do read bluray.com for the technical reviews.
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April 6, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST
@moody by nature sorry man,i dont know.but who knows,maybe he is
by KilliK
the one who wrote the original avp draft.
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I am finding it improbable. Then again, drafts can be VERY messy and VERY VERY bad sometimes. Mine always are, and I only have maybe one final draft that I consider completely finished out of.... shit... 20- 25 incomplete works. I only do it for fun, but they are far better than this junk. That's not to say that it's as bad as some of you are making it out to be, but it's not good. I would say there's still, even if someone changes the file name to include the word *fake* and adds text to the top, a 25% chance that this is a real early draft. It reads as dictation to me, and I have read a lot of computer-dictation documents. Same mistakes, same feel. I'm waiting for actual confirmation from the source to pass judgment and even then..... who would claim this??? I don't think we can ever know for sure. Anyone could also claim to have written it.
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That's nice.
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Just spiraling into dementia. Sure there are many irrelevant, depressing throwback movie websites out there (Moviehole, Dark Horizons, etc) but AICN certainly fell the furthest. Too bad.
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April 6, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST
gotilk, it was debunked weeks ago. Harry is late and an idiot.
by reflecto
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isn't going to do it for me (or anyone with half a brain) any more than just SAYING this is real... or fake... is going to do it for me. First... I never said *translation error* I said Dictation Software. I have read a LOT of documents that were *written* using various dictation software and the errors I'm reading are consistent with the errors you see in dictation software. Mind grain being the one that really sticks out like a sore thumb. And FELINE could have been an error in the way the software heard the word SALINE. Especially if the person doing the dictation spoke it as Say-line instead of say-leen. This is seriously some truly DERP, obvious stuff to anyone who has used that kind of software. But you guys enjoy yourselves. It's fun.
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I have to go clean my ears out with some feline solution.
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Debunked by whom? I'm most likely reading the same stuff you are and so far all I see is OTHER people simply stating that it is fake. I wouldn't say either until I hear something from the source, and considering how bad it is.... not fully even then. I wouldn't claim that.
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April 6, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST
gotlik: Damon Lindelof himself said there's no mention of the Planet Zeus in his drafts.
by Robert Evans
That's straight from the source. Even if this is somehow an earlier draft of the PROMETHEUS script, although it's doubtful because it's only 79 fucking pages, it's pretty much useless to review because of the overhaul Lindelof and Scott did on the story.
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April 6, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST
More than that, Lindelof said that there was no planet Zeus in either his or Jon Spaihts' work and that he felt Harry had been duped. Which he had.
by Karl Hungus
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that Harry got punked. Nuff said.
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Thats a fake script you have there.
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April 6, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST
Also, the "feline solution" thing is not a typo; it's a pet concept the idiot writer came up with and used to talk about on Alien discussion forums.
by reflecto
He was obsessed with how the supposed space travelers of the franchise should travel using "chilled feline solution." Don't ask me. But that's one of several things that got him caught. That and being a fucking terrible writer.
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It's above: It was a tweet to Harry
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https://twitter.com/#!/DamonLindelof/status/188270610747621376
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It made no sense that the would name give a name like Zeus to an insginificant planetoid. LV-426 is a reference number because there would be so many planets and planetoids in this faux universe, it would be impossible to give them all names.
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Harry Knowles, you claim to be a lover of movies. You also have I believe a huge collection of screenplays. So my question to you is, how on Earth could you be duped into believing the Prometheus screenplay you had was genuine? First off, I don't believe the excuses that some people are making on your bahlf about the typos. No professional screenwriter - Lindelof included - is going to submit a screenplay that hasn't been proof-read and corrected properly. Sorry, but that just doesn't happen. Secondly, didn't the absurdly short running length wake you up? Heck, you don't need to have read Robert McKee to know the general principle that one page of a script equates broadly to one minute's screen time. Now, given that Prometheus is a major tentpole release for Fox, director by one of the biggest film-makers working today, and not a self-financed indie movie, didn't you think it was od that a movie shot from this screenpaly would have come in at the one hour twenty mark? But the biggest sin of all is your failure to pick up on the risable dialogue which makes George Lucas look like Robert Towne. So, seriously, Mr Knowles, how did you not spot this fake a mile off? In my view there are only four possible answers to this, which are as follows; 1. You may have a big collection of screenplays but you just never read them. Like the vast collection of DVDs you have, many of which you blatently havent ever watched (Rebecca for example), you just love to have a huge collection but never actually do anything with it. It is also pretty clear from your writing (if you can describe it as such) that you are not a big reader. So perhaps you just thumbed through Prometheus and grabbed a few points out of it. 2. Again because you are not a great reader (indeed perhaps you actually can't read - frankly this wouldnt shock me) perhaps you got someone to read and paraphrase it for you - someone like your wife Patricia who possibly has only ever seen a screenplay when she has been dusting your collection for you. 3. You knew full well it was a fake but hoped you could con your audience for your video feature that you had something substantive. Without the hook of Prometheus, your video would have had nothing of interest and you personally never have anything good to contribute to the site these days, so perhaps it was just a scam. In which case that shows you really have no respect for yourself or your readership. 4. The final alternative is that you are just an idiot. I'm willing to bet you a steak dinner you won't reply to this post. In fact I doubt you will ever respond to any other point made by so many others in this TalkBack. But just be aware, if you don't, then option four is going to look ever more the most probable and you really will be exposed as Harry The Idiot.
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Why don't you use your boundless energy to go start your own website? Or are you worried you'd never amass an audience for your banal ramblings? Zzzz.
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April 6, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST
Why would a fan of the movie going experience read the script prior to seeing the film?
by jrb
I don't get it. Why ruin the experience of seeing the film for the first time? Everything is spoiled. It's not in any way analogous to reading a novel that's about to be adapted into a film. Novels are complete works (usually) in and of themselves that offer a unique storytelling experience. Screenplays are really just blueprints. They're not the finished product.
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I'm getting sick of that passive aggressive tripe. Are you content with every film you see? Every song you hear? Every meal you eat? Harry might not have to live up to my high standards but he should at least fucking live up to his own. It's disrespectful to me, you, that guy, LisaB, his peers, his fellow mods, and most of all, himself. He knows he thinks he can do better. He just doesn't give a fuck to try. At least that's the way it seems.
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...I wanted to see if it was as good as we all hope it is. I'd still enjoy the hell out of the movie, even if I had read the real script beforehand. The trailer already kind of spoiled quite alot. It would be nice to stay spoiler-free for a change, but these movies always take so damn long to be released. The studios are always holding stuff back until the best possible release date. If they released a film as soon as it was ready then there wouldn't be any time for spoilers and leaks to come out.
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April 6, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST
I'm pretty cynical and skeptical towards this
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
The trailer looks great, but it's the story that will ultimately determine the overall quality of this film. People seem to be expecting or hoping for a science fiction masterpiece, but I'm afraid it will be more like Event Horizon or something like Sphere. Or Robin Hood. Which was entertaining but nothing very special. TDKR is the only movie coming out this summer which I expect to be great lol. I guess Assifucklives was right afterall.
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April 6, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST
I understand that Harry can't source every thing that comes across his desk
by RulingRing
but why make this piece of speculative bunkum (well known to people following the development) a tent pole of his new show without doing the smallest part of due diligence?
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April 6, 2012, 4:09 p.m. CST
Honestly my suspicions about that leaked scripts authenticity came up almost immediately
by shran
Half a page in and there were mis-spellings that could only be made by someone who either doesn't speak English or is a moron. how Harry didn't spot it is baffling.
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Harry has completely lost it. Guy is beyond delusional... Joe Peter Wilson @headgeek666 Are you not going to post anything about how you've actually reviewed a very fake script? Or was it a way to spam your video? Harry Knowles @JoePeterWilson I am still not convinced, I figured ZEUS would change, everything syncs though Damon Lindelof @headgeek666 Harry, I swear upon The Force and Geekdom itself that what you read is 100% bogus. I would never lie about this.
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Harry Knowles @DamonLindelof I am just curious how a fake script would match so perfectly with trailers that hadn't been released yet
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3 4 5 6 7 8 never
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...that that was a god-awful script. Thankfully it's a fake..
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Harry: prove it...send me the real script so I know the one I reviewed is fake Damon: nice try fat boy
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I wasn't aware my posts were mandatory reading. But as you are clearly drawn to them I can only offer my sincere apologies for putting you to sleep with my banal rantings. I do hope at least it was a peaceful sleep and that you had some nice dreams. As I say, I am so sorry. To avoid such a situation occuring again, next time I'll ask your permission before I post anything, and run the first draft by you for approval too if you like? Perhaps that way I can make contributions as substantive, original, cogent and interesting as your own. Of course, you have set the bar pretty high, what with your brilliantly expressed theories on the origin of the Prometheus screenplay etc., but one can hope, one can hope. In the meantime, until I have ascended to the level of perfection already attained by your good self, please feel free to skip right on past anything else I post. I am, after all, not worthy of being read by a mind as brilliant as yours. Now, if you will excuse me I must take my leave as I have an overwhelming desire to laugh at the fact that WILLI is a term we English chappies use for COCK.
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by the bi-planes. Soon Harry will lose his grip and tumble to Earth, with a bump.
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April 6, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST
What is a worse read? This "review" or that fake script??
by SayNoToRemakes
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You're just grinding metal.
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April 6, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST
fuck me baby jesus...YOUR CASUAL BLASPHEMY INTRIGUES ME, DO CONTINUE.
by BurnHollywood
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April 6, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST
WHY THE FAKE SCRIPT MATCHES THE TRAILERS???.....BECAUSE IT WAS WRITTEN AFTER THEY RELEASED. JESUS.
by ThisBethesdaSea
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Oh No. MY MISTAKE.
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...that even if it had been THE REAL script, I would still be able to watch the movie without having anything spoiled because I already forgot what I read! That's pretty freakin bad!
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where are you? Come and set the record straight and stick up for yourself. This is YOUR website.
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Poor Harry LOL Now i wish i did wrote that script just to see Harry gets humiliated like this. The worst is that harry was exited by a rather unsurprising and cliché story... He's dumb and he got poor taste.
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therefore it's REAL!! - damon lindelof wrote it guys, use your heads!
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The worst film ever made bar none.
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...the fake script was 'written' by someone on the film crew who saw some stuff, but not all...hence the shortness of the document. The spelling of words like 'programme' lead me to believe he/she is of European origin. Regardless, I place the IQ of the author at a level equal to the 2nd in command at ye olde Double-Y Chromosome Prison.
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April 6, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST
Then again, this is scripted by the guys who did Nash Bridges and Darkest Hour
by Domi'sInnerChild
Maybe it is legit.
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How did Harry fall for that garbage?
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April 6, 2012, 5:08 p.m. CST
I Iwent to Planet Zeus this morning to pick up some feline solution
by unparanoid_android
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Stil luv ya big guy, but you actually bought that crock of owl shit?
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April 6, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST
This mission isn’t to LV-426, it is to a different planet, that at least in this draft was referred to as Nike.
by Marlboroliteman
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April 6, 2012, 5:13 p.m. CST
This mission isn’t to LV-426, it is to a different planet, that at least in this draft was referred to as Air Jordan.
by Marlboroliteman
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@headgeek666 THERE ARE NO SKRULLS IN PROMETHEUS!!! (but seriously, if you stand by this script, so be it, but I know how to spell "Zeus.")
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Adonde?
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April 6, 2012, 5:17 p.m. CST
This mission isn’t to LV-426, it is to a different planet, that at least in this draft was referred to as Hercules.
by Marlboroliteman
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April 6, 2012, 5:17 p.m. CST
'Vault of Harry' Will be watching!
by the_shitweasel_with_a_quizzical_brow
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AICN isnt some fan-site run by a guy who holds down a day job somewhere. It is a commercial venture, with advertising revenue. And as such Harry The Idiot should by rights maintain it to a high standard, in order to retain existing followers and attract new ones. Bit he doesn't give a shit. He is happy to put out sub-standard rubbish because he is a lazy, spoilt child. Simple things like checking spelling and grammar and facts should be standard if Knowles genuinely cared. But the fact is he has outgrown this site and wants to be doing other things but at the same time his ego is too big to pass it over to someone else, someone like maybe Montychristo who actually does seem to care. In fairness AICN actually is pretty entertaining nowadays, if only to see how bad it becomes and to watch Harry The Idiot post things like his review of the Prometheus script. It literally is only this morbid fascination, and the talkbacks, that make this site worthwhile. Oh and stuff by Quint and Scorekeeper.
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these days? any one know?
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April 6, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST
This mission isn’t to LV-426, it is to a different planet, that at least in this draft was referred to as Kevin Sorbo!
by Marlboroliteman
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April 6, 2012, 5:26 p.m. CST
This mission isn’t to LV-426, it is to a different planet, that at least in this draft was referred to as Thisis A Fakescript.
by Marlboroliteman
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So cut him some slack.
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Isnt that an oxymoron? Or in Harry The Idiot's case, just a moron.
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April 6, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST
Banned, who exactly is the core staff at this point? Who is left among the loyal contributing writers? Who does the real work? Because if Harry is really focused on becoming a media star I haven't seen much output, his cameo in the forgettable My Sucky
by reflecto
(Yes, I've seen it, long story. Nice job for a 15-year-old girl, albeit amateurish and forgettable. Harry clearly is in love with himself during his cameo. My biggest problem is that the film continues to try and force Harry's personal mythology about Austin somehow being the center of film culture. More like the apex of Carl's Jr or Sonic.) Seriously though, Harry is not some media star. His TV gigs dried up aeons ago. This new venture is, uh, not going well. What the fuck else is he doing with his life?
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April 6, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST
lol, that should read "his cameo in the forgettable My Sucky Teen Romance aside"
by reflecto
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It used to be filled with movie rumors, very early reports from screenings, script reviews, etc. Now it's just cut and pasted studio press and releases that are a few days old, contests and screenings that are studio based and links to Amazon. It's really sad to watch because this used to be THE premiere movie site to go to.
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April 6, 2012, 5:44 p.m. CST
Now Spaihts is in on the tweetfest ("not even close") and Harry is promising an "update"
by reflecto
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that fake script!
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And that is why folks like me and Antonio_bannederas have nothing but for contempt for Harry The Idiot and why we are so pissed off about how he has dragged this once amazing site down into the gutter.
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April 6, 2012, 5:56 p.m. CST
Harry, damage control...just knock together another episode quick and have Boiler sodomize you
by Robert Evans
with a pipe wrench. That should clear the air.
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April 6, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST
@DamonLindelof: no @headgeek666 the Space Jockeys do not ride space horses. I'm telling you that's a fake script.
by Marlboroliteman
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Lindelof says in one of his tweets that he knows how to spell Zeus...if Harry really bought a script with that word misspelled he's just trolling, and if he's not trolling he's genuinely incompetent
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April 6, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST
Harry to Lindelof: "I am just curious how a fake script would match so perfectly with trailers that hadn't been released yet"
by Gabe Athouse
This actually made me involuntarily yell, "Oh my god!!!" It's like he's in the kind of denial people who predict the end of the world on a particular day typically exhibit the next day. I admit that I'm revelling in the kind of Schadenfreude one usually only dreams about.
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April 6, 2012, 6:13 p.m. CST
"Then there’s the freaky fucking scary parts. You know what’s scary? It’s the Space Jockey’s and their Space Horses that they ride!" .......BIG KONG BOMB TOKE
by Marlboroliteman
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There is at least one instance where Zeus is misspelled. It is spelled correctly in other places. Consonant with the typical sloppiness of the script in general.
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Ok guys - leaving aside actual writing talent - who here thinks they might be able to have a stab at putting together a fake screenplay for, say, The Amazing Spider-Man, Dark Knight Rises, The Avengers and Men in Black 3???? Hmm..... that sort of thing might be difficult for someone slack jawed yokel but to any proper movie buff who has seen those trailers I doubt they would find it very hard to cobble something together which would at least superficially resemble the preview footage. Maybe if this bogus Prometheus screenplay had surfaced before the trailer then fair enough but as it clearly didn't only a total and utter moron would be confused about how it would seemingly follow the trailer. Ladies and gentleman, I give you Harry The Idiot.
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April 6, 2012, 6:23 p.m. CST
I keep imagining John Cleese a la FAWLTY TOWERS glaring at Harry in indignant disbelief and saying, "My god, you're stupid."
by Le Vicious Fishus
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& can't be arsed too either. I'm too busy with my re-write of 'The Man of Steel' script. Kal-el takes flight from the planet Zeus. He is being pursued by 4 minions of the Ninja Turtle race, robotic shapeshifters with the power to lay huge eggs. Once disturbed these eggs hatch to reveal Eddie Murphy heads on wheels that can destroy planetoids with a single bite.
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No wait, sorry, I got confused. What I meant was that Harry is just a stunted cu...!!
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Reviewing a known fake script is just fucking asinine. I just read through that steaming pile of cow shit that was written by an illiterate fanboy with way too much time on his hands.
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What a fool.
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Man, way to taint that first episode of Aint it Cool with something as ridiculously amateurish as not checking your sources.
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April 6, 2012, 6:44 p.m. CST
Wait 'till you guys check out Harry's Phantom Menace review!
by quantize
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April 6, 2012, 6:47 p.m. CST
If you haven't read at least a few pages of the script, I really recommend you take the time.
by Gabe Athouse
And if, after you've done that, you aren't absolutely gobsmacked that Harry thought that fucking thing was real, I highly recommend you take a full bottle of barbiturates after a night of heavy drinking.
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Hey Harry, I thought you might like this exclusive scoop for your site. I've just read the Avenger's script and thought I'd give you a precis of one particular scene; the end sequence in fact. Remember in the trailer, Iron Man says "I'm bringing the party to you" and is followed by that giant metal snake thingy? Well I can now tell you it really IS an actual party. All the Avengers put on party hats and grab onto the tail of the giant snake, to form a massive conga line. The invading aliens are so taken by this that they drop their weapons and they, too, join the conga. Then they all gather at Avenger's Mansion where Jarvis feeds them all cake and jelly and they all become the best of friends. The very final shot is Captain America doing a thumbs up and winking at the camera (the screenplay directly refers to the old 60s Cap cartoons here). I don't know the provinance of this screenplay but I'm certain it is genuine cos it follows the trailer so closely.
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nope, doesn't ring any bells. Sorry.
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Hes been promising a DVD column for a few weeks now
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Did you used to be banned_of_brothers by any chance?
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You've been banned twice now?!
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April 6, 2012, 7:06 p.m. CST
LOL Harry is still on denial.i just read his tweets and he still is not convinced
by KilliK
that the script is fake despite that Lindelof has even swore that he is not lying at him !! LOL.
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April 6, 2012, 7:06 p.m. CST
He's lying or stupid. The fake script hit the Net a month or two ago, well after the teaser.
by reflecto
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Hey Harry here is the ENTIRE screenplay of the new Batman movie for you to summarise as an exclsuive for your site: Fade In. Ext. Gotham City. Night BANE and BATMAN slug it out with those BIG INFLATABLE PADDLE things they sell in joke shops. Bane socks Batman around the head, and whilst he is dazed, drops a BANANA SKIN on the floor. Batman slips over on this banana skin and lands with his legs spread akimbo. Bane delivers a nasty kick right into Batman's groin. BATMAN Aaaghhh! My goolies!!!! BANE When Gotham is in ashes… you have my permission to die. One of Bane's HENCHMEN runs up to his boss. HENCHMAN Sir, Gotham is in ashes. Bane pulls out a GUN and shoot Batman in the head at point blank range. Fade Out. Harry, I'm sure that you will be as convinced as I am that this is genuine 'cos it follows the trailer and, wow, even actually uses some of the exact same dialogue. Of course it is a wee bit shorter than your average movie but you'll probably agree with me that this isnt significant at all.
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April 6, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST
Spaights and Lindelof Both Told Harry Point Blank It's Not Real
by Raskolnikov_was_framed
yet Harry is still very curious...about a script that could have been pieced together from all the IMDB guesses about the plot that hit in December after the first teaser and even BEFORE the first teaser
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Yep, I'm the same guy - originally damned_dirty_ape before Nerdling got the ban hammer out due to his insecurity (I had the nerve to say he wasn't the world's greatest writer). I was also banned by Capone for making a joke about the trashing of Chicago in Transformers Dark Of The Moon (I made some comment about how the Decepticons demolish half the city and cause millions of dollars of improvements). I was banned again earlier in the week and have no idea why. It doesn't take much and I'll be amazed if I survive in this name after all my posts about Harry's Prometheus script review.
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I've been accidentally banned before. I emailed the mods of the stories I had recently talked on and asked if it was an accident. Sometimes the mods are nice enough to check their history and one admitted he had accidentally banned me and he reinstated me very quickly after that.
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April 6, 2012, 7:23 p.m. CST
Banned? I've been banned regularly since the late '90s.
by Gabe Athouse
My favorite was when my user name was Pope John Paul II (he was alive then) and I commented on some old character actor who killed himself. I said, "Yes, he was a marvelous actor, and he'll be sorely missed. Too bad he's in Hell now." Because I was the Pope, see, and suicide is a mortal sin in the Catholic church. Does AICN respect the Pope's infallibility? Guess. BANNED!
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Surely when you were banned whilst you were the Pope you could have given yourself a papal dispensation and had yourself reinstated? You missed a trick there my friend.
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...there was a post from the administrator apologizing for all the technical difficulties the site had been experiencing at the time. I said I understood, but what I didn't like were the banner ads with sound that were running then. I recommended they reconsider their policy regarding such a thing. BANNED!
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April 6, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST
It's called "Prometheus" as an allusion to "Frankenstein"
by Bedknobs and Boomsticks
aka "The Modern Prometheus." Would think scifi geeks would get that.
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April 6, 2012, 7:34 p.m. CST
So they get to utilize not only the connotations of
by Bedknobs and Boomsticks
the Hellenistic myth but also of Frankenstein. Very clever.
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Thanks dear. Now let's cuddle while we watch Love Actually
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That's my next user name. Don't steal it.
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April 6, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST
Seriously, how have I not been banned? I've been around a long time.
by reflecto
inb4 my ban
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April 6, 2012, 7:53 p.m. CST
The sad thing is that he has some onscreen charisma and the "Boiler" is kind of hilarious. Except the whole show is really a thinly veiled representation of how Harry views his life and world.
by reflecto
*"I live in a magical world of make-believe and cool toys, look at my cool toys and stuff you don't have" *"I have this stuff and enjoy my fantasy basement lifestyle with twinkly music of wonder" *"My dad rolls the tape for me" *"Those mean talkbackers/Boilers are just being stupid - 'Michael' (first name basis? really?) is a great guy and Ninja Turtles is in excellent hands!" He's become a delusional shill. Except now he's just lost in his own fantasy world where he is relevant, everyone's just a hater and these people all really, really like him. That's what turns me off about the otherwise charming production. It's how Harry actually thinks and exists, and as the history of the site and Harry's "career" tells us, it's nowhere near as innocent as all of that. See: Toy Story 3, etc
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April 6, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST
'lucky' is what's nauseating, and that POV can't be easy to live with.
by reflecto
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/06/prometheus-script-damon-l_n_1409287.html?ref=entertainment
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and the ONLY proof I can find that this DRAFT is fake is that someone on some forum basically said... *yeah, this is a confirmed fake* CONFIRMED WHERE? And don't point me to another link to someone else saying the same thing. Come on. This could very easily be a BAD, early draft. And I still say that if someone stole a horrible, early draft from me and I was asked if it were real or not, I'd deny it. Without question, and you can bet that a professional would do the same. No-one has any business having a copy of this if it is real.
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April 6, 2012, 8:11 p.m. CST
@antonio "I guess modesty is a few shirt sizes too small for the fat man to wear."
by Gabe Athouse
Replace "modesty" with shame, insight and honesty. Also, LOLZ
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UPDATE: Oh, it turns out that Harry Knowles seems to have mistaken a hoax Prometheus script for the real thing. On his site, he admits this, but he writes "My passion for the ideas that the script put forth, which may or may not echo things in the eventual film is rock solid." I guess you can't trust mystery packages shat out by your magic house! Also, if you're Harry Knowles, shouldn't authenticating cool shit be the one thing you're good at?
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I am reading it directly from the source now. But I gotta ask... Would you cop to that *thing*? I wouldn't. Especially if it was stolen.
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That *draft* is shit.
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April 6, 2012, 8:16 p.m. CST
"This was Damon Lindelof’s 2nd Draft," wrote Ain't It Cool News proprietor Harry Knowles on Friday, before diving into a script review of "Prometheus."
by Gabe Athouse
fap fap fap
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Give it up. If it's so horrendously shitty that no one would own up to it, how would any sane individual be taken in by it?
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Does that explain the matching up of all the scenes in the script that match with the trailers?
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April 6, 2012, 8:22 p.m. CST
By the way, I don't begrudge Harry his success. Not at all.
by Gabe Athouse
I just hate that he's the type who refuses to attempt to improve himself despite all evidence that such a thing is crucial. He's still exactly the same person he was when this site was started - hell, probably the same person he was when puberty started. He has willfully refused to grow intellectually or emotionally. His defiance is part of his identity - his limits define who he is. And then this comes along, and his limits make him a laughingstock among a much larger audience than those among whom he's usually a laughingstock. Will he allow this experience to be of learning? Place your bets.
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I used the same Google you did. Thanks for finding the confirmation. I didn't mean to be an asshole about it, I'm just still a little skeptical about Damon's honesty on this. I wouldn't cop to it.
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Who gives a shit Harry. Why don't you use that contact with Lindeloff to do some solid reporting and confirm the script's authenticity in advance of making it "news". This site reports false and late news all the time as of late. Stop trying to be a marketable "personality" and bring the site back to the style you started it out with. It's a shadow of what it once was. A sign of egos getting way too inflated. Less drinks with Lindeloff...more time at work Harry.
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I'm going to start saying first when I'm like the 250th post.
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Gotta call bull on that. Had you done five minutes of "digging" you would've known that it was a complete fake. Christ, just reading the first page let's you know that it's a fake.
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April 6, 2012, 9:26 p.m. CST
Ummm...this was the same fake script that was soundly debunked 4 weeks ago on the AvP site:
by tritium
http://tinyurl.com/7y3q8a3
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April 6, 2012, 9:51 p.m. CST
Harry should have just come clean around 6 this morning. Instead all this.
by Gabe Athouse
I mean, it's not like he has anything even resembling shame. If he did he wouldn't write like a retard after being told again and again that it insults his readership and speaks ill of him that he does so.
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April 6, 2012, 9:55 p.m. CST
if ou guys hate harry so much then stfu and get off the site
by shalashaska
im so sick of your shit. do something else with your time
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Although Lindelof's comments seem legit, and I'm going to take his word for it that this script is BS. I guess we'll have to wait for the finished product to know for sure.
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April 6, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST
Didn't you get a tummy tuck or some such in order to drop weight? Didn'
by ajt2111
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April 6, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST
I think Harry just gets high on the pills from all his medical conditions and then comes here and just blabs. Why would you want to spoil PROMETHEUS?
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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April 6, 2012, 10:08 p.m. CST
Didn't you get a tummy tuck or some such in order to drop weight? Didn't you almost die? Didn't you claim
by ajt2111
That as a result of all this you were going to drop weight and you were going to dance with your wife, and that you were in physical therapy, and you were going to be a leaner, meaner Harry and that even though you'd be smaller, the cartoons in the corner would remain the same fat Harry?
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We don't want to hate Harry. But as he is the "managing editor" of what is supposed to be a reputable source for movie news, we all would hope that he would not share unsubstantiated bullshit. I think this all smells really fishy, considering he used this same page on the site to promote his new video series. One has to wonder if he generated a false story to lead folks back to this page to potentially boost his video's viewership. Say it ain't so Harry!
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Eh..I think you give too much credit to Harry there. He's not gonna make up some BS story to boost hits. One-that's pathetic. Two-it wouldn't work. Who in their right mind would trust him again with a so called scoop. If anything, he's ruined the rep of the site and the show in its inaugural episode. That said, he's explained himself and threw himself on his sword, rather than ignoring his mistake as he is wont in the past. That's all I asked for (besides the fucking DVD column!!). And with that, he will keep me around another day.
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Not to be an asshole dude, but why do you have to be constantly full of shit? Why didn't you drop the fucking weight? Why aren't you walking yet? Why have you become such a fucking hack? Nobody on THIS site is buying for a single second that you did MONTHS of digging. Had you done even an hour of digging, on your own goddamned talkbacks you would have realized how full of shit that script was. Dude, you were duped, it happens. No big deal. But to then rationalize it in that way...it just makes everyone look at you with a serious WTF face. Deep down inside we all love you Harry. This site used to be the shit, and in some ways(mainly because of the talkbacks) it still is. This site used to have script reviews(real ones, detailed ones, etc), insider info, and leaks out the ass about upcoming movies. What the FUCK happened? Dude, why in God's name have you been promising us changes to the sites and talkbacks for years, with NO change in site. Why do you bother keeping the same background and archaic lack of edit features? Is it because you believe it harkens back to the past and it would be selling out if you changed it? Because, honestly dude, as of the last few years this site has felt pretty sell-outish. And as cool as you are in some ways, you seem more and more deluded by the month. You're always selling us some bullshit dude. Just be straightforward with us. You didn't do months of digging. Nobody on this fucking site it stupid enough to think you did. And if you did, you're the most inept goddamned detective I've ever seen in my goddamned life. I'm not trying to bust your balls, and I fully realize you might fuck me with the large cock-of-banlieness. I'm just trying to spit some truth your way man. Also if you're not fucking 100 lbs lighter by this time next year, you're an asshole. MAN THE FUCK UP.
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Not to be an asshole dude, but why do you have to be constantly full of shit? Why didn't you drop the fucking weight? Why aren't you walking yet? Why have you become such a fucking hack? Nobody on THIS site is buying for a single second that you did MONTHS of digging. Had you done even an hour of digging, on your own goddamned talkbacks you would have realized how full of shit that script was. Dude, you were duped, it happens. No big deal. But to then rationalize it in that way...it just makes everyone look at you with a serious WTF face. Deep down inside we all love you Harry. This site used to be the shit, and in some ways(mainly because of the talkbacks) it still is. This site used to have script reviews(real ones, detailed ones, etc), insider info, and leaks out the ass about upcoming movies. What the FUCK happened? Dude, why in God's name have you been promising us changes to the sites and talkbacks for years, with NO change in site. Why do you bother keeping the same background and archaic lack of edit features? Is it because you believe it harkens back to the past and it would be selling out if you changed it? Because, honestly dude, as of the last few years this site has felt pretty sell-outish. And as cool as you are in some ways, you seem more and more deluded by the month. You're always selling us some bullshit dude. Just be straightforward with us. You didn't do months of digging. Nobody on this fucking site it stupid enough to think you did. And if you did, you're the most inept goddamned detective I've ever seen in my goddamned life. I'm not trying to bust your balls, and I fully realize you might fuck me with the large cock-of-banlieness. I'm just trying to spit some truth your way man. Also if you're not fucking 100 lbs lighter by this time next year, you're an asshole. MAN THE FUCK UP.
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April 6, 2012, 10:28 p.m. CST
HARRY it isn't that Cameron switched genres that pisses ALIEN fans off... It's that he watered it down, took the bite out of it, lowered production value and dumbed it down.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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<p>mind grain.<p> <p>Wait?<p>
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Of course it's either going to be ignored or I'm going to get a banning so bad that my cyber- ass will be digitally sore for weeks.
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April 6, 2012, 11:07 p.m. CST
The part where he starts arguing with the author of the script and then lies about when he received the fake one is the best part.
by Gabe Athouse
Or is the best part yet to come? If you ban me, my next user name will be Prometheus Schadenfreude. Also the name of my next pet, come to think of it.
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I actually already stopped visiting this site last week. The only reason I came here today was because I got tipped off that Harry had so humiliated himself and his website that mass exists were inevitable. I wanted to give a proper goodbye because there are posters here I admire. Choppah, D. Vader, Killik, Asimov...and there are posters I can't stand. Lisa B and Creepythin, both irredeemable trolls who have no value and continue to poison the talkbacks with their ignorance and stupidity. I decided to stop supporting Harry's site because the "journalism" here is a joke. It's been a joke for a very long time. I first started visiting this place in 1997, and I remember Harry's geek love of cinema was charming and noble. But there came a point where you realized that he'd sold his soul to Hollywood...free jet rides to movie studios to hob knob with Hollywood royalty, to get his geek cinema bag filled with goodies. His reviews became more and more hard to read, more and more erratic, and more and more full of shit. I ignored him for the most part and tried to focus on the talkbacks, the only thing on this wretched website worth a damn. AICN doesn't even report on movie news anymore, certainly not cool news...they heap effusive coverage on certain films, like the bigger Hollywood blockbusters, but wont even report on a smaller beloved filmmaker like PT Anderson, who's film The Master was recently given a release date after PT had gone through hell trying to get it made. He's a great filmmaker, a cool filmmaker, and I thought that was cool news. AICN didn't, apparently. They'll even be so late reporting on things that it's laughable. That's not news, that being in an echo chamber. Either way, this site his taking too much of my energy and it's energy best spent somewhere else. I go to Collider.com now because they report on EVERYTHING, I miss nothing. I go go chud.com for intelligent discussion on movies. The writers on that site make Harry look like a retarded chimp...well, my 5 year old niece makes Harry look like a retarded chimp. I hate kicking people while they're down, but this "scoop" on Prometheus is inexcusable, and I seriously hope this is the final straw the breaks the camel's back. Yes, I want this website to fail, for them to lose most of their traffic and have to shut down, because it's worthless. It's a half run operation and an insult to movie geeks. Anyway, I wish you guys well in your travels. May the road rise up to meet you. May the wind always be at your back. May the sun shine warm upon your face, and rains fall soft upon your fields. And until we meet again, May God hold you in the palm of His hand.
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April 6, 2012, 11:12 p.m. CST
When Billy D is so disgusted that he's leaving, that's some shit.
by ajt2111
I'm not quite there, but I'm not taking this that serious. I happened to stumble on this site over a decade ago when I was like 12(I'm 24 now) using the internet at the public library and I come here a decent amount of time. But honestly, this is just embarrassing on Harry's behalf.
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April 6, 2012, 11:13 p.m. CST
And I want it to be noted, again, for anyone tuning in late
by Gabe Athouse
that this isn't a story about Harry being duped by a clever con-man and his brilliant fake script. This is Harry reading a shitty fan script obviously fake to anyone with a fucking brain beyond the first page, reading it, thinking, "seems legit" and writing a glowing review of this screenplay. This screenplay which was obviously written by someone not yet beyond puberty and for whom English is not a first language. This should be enough to give the reins of this site over to people who can actually think and write. You know, like Nordling. The guy who WOULD have written a review of John Dies at the End except he didn't understand it.... Oh, wait....
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Not sure why people complain about you.
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Good movie? It's a great movie. But fuckit. After a blowjob, I'm Pretty much down for anything. You can Pick.
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Sad to see you go but I understand.
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April 7, 2012, midnight CST
Again I have to ask, WHO are the loyal contributing writers at this point? Who's left? I honestly don't know the current roster but Harry's lack of interest in any kind of effort for years is pathetic.
by reflecto
It's not enough to say "I'm just a passionate guy who loves movies! Don't hold me to any kind of standard of quality or upkeep!" after almost 20 years of this site. If you insist on attempting to try to turn AICN into a brand - which will not happen - or on trying to refurbish your image to make the geek community or the industry take you seriously again - which will also never happen, as that moment is LONG past - then you have to actually PUT IN AN EFFORT. The reason you've never made it, Harry, and never will, the reason these people pawn you off with little gifts here and there but you can't get any real traction, is because you just don't care enough to even take care of your own site or properly care for your own brand. It started here, with you. You can't even lie properly anymore.
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this talkback is an epic 10,000 page soap opera! It doesn't matter if the script is fake. Harry's first video out of the gate was a great success. The quality of the content out-weighs the controversy about the script. So what if Harry occasionally falls for the fake shit that pollutes the internet? Remember when he posted that fake photo of Catwoman then someone in the talkback posted the stock photo that the fan used to modify in Photoshop? That was hillarious. All the guys that bitch about this sight are just a bunch of whiners. There's a reason this talkback is epic in size. It's because people love AICN. This place is awesome still.
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Burns hot but not for long.
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April 7, 2012, 1:03 a.m. CST
I have a love for this site, even though it's full of idiots. You can passionately rant and never get banned. I think that's respectful of the true geeks the site harnesses.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
And I respect many of the talkbackers here. Especially some I've been in so-called wars with. Because some of the exact same people I've "warred" with I have also sided with. It just goes to show diversity. We agree passionately on certain things... And disagree just as passionately on others.
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lindelof is a proven liar and harry has no ethics but it is just too stupid to be intentional. It sure has been fun reading this talkback though.
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This site is as popular as ever. There's been almost 500 posts in this talkback today lol. Check out the articles at /Film. How many people post there? a couple dozen? It looks like Harry listened to you guys that complained. There are more contributors now and a lot more content. The squeaky wheel gets the oil. Carry on!
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April 7, 2012, 1:41 a.m. CST
I'm actually saddened that Harry hasn't been on to admit he's been duped
by i_got_worms
Just tell us you only skim read it cos you were ill or busy or SOMETHING but don't just give us the wall of silence. We all make mistakes big man but just ignoring it won't make it go away.
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April 7, 2012, 1:43 a.m. CST
He did admit it, in the most flimsy, full of shit way possible.
by ajt2111
Go reread the article, he updated it hours ago with a blatant lie.
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April 7, 2012, 1:48 a.m. CST
Also, is there going to be a Good Friday Fudgepack topic or what?
by lv_426
Or is that a bit too offensive to the Easter Bunny?
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I see you have chosen Rachel Weisz. Excellent choice there chop. I'm going to say no fudgepackin' in this case. Mrs. (or is it Ms. now?) Weisz is too classy for that, and frowns upon the notion of a fudgepack no matter how much she might suddenly feel the desire for a manly meat missile to be loaded inside of her sweet warm pleasure silo.
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And as predicated there is no sign of an apology, no mea culpa, nothing but a strained admission that he may have been fooled. As I stated yesterday, there was never any chance that Harry The Idiot would ever actually put his hands up to a mistake because the guy just isnt capable of doing so. Knowles simply cannot stand to be seen to be anything but the movie expert he pretends to be. To be honest, I believe that, deep down inside, Knowles knows full well that he is a charlatan, and that he isnt anywhere near the authority in film he promotes himself to be. He is a massively insecure individual which is why he hides behind colourful shirts and wears a stupid beard. A shrink could probably write a whole book just on him if anyone could ever get Knowles on a couch (subject to being able to find a couch strong enough to take him that is).
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The sequel to the Total Recall remake.
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Just for a moment, let's pretend that Prometheus screenplay Harry The Idiot read was actually genuine. Heck, I know that is hard to do - anyone who knows anything about movies would see if for the fraud it is from the first page - but indulge me for a moment guys. So Harry is excited by the concepts of the screenplay. Fair enough. And you wouldn't really expect him to notice all the spelling errors, typos etc given that he has always just thought that grammar is the woman married to his grandfather. BUT - and here is my point - wouldn't you expect any decent review to mention the entirely risible dialogue? That speech by Captain Exposition for example where he introduces the entire crew in a soundbite. Or all that rubbish about the power core of the ship? I mean, this is a supposed expert on movies, a guy who purports to like a number of pretty darn serious and important films, and yet he can't distinguish good dialogue from bad? And another thing; Knolwes actually gushes about the screenplay making reference to Giger's junked Dune designs. No professional screenplay makes reference to production design UNLESS it is absolutely essential to the story. This is common mistake amateur script writers make all the time, along with including detailed notes on camera moves, soundtrack etc. So even if Knowles still smell fake, should his review be critical of this sort of hack writing. Remember, this was a REVIEW of the screenplay. Any proper review should surely highlight the apparent deficienies as well as the highlights. I don't pretend to be a movie expert like Knowles but I've read a large number of screenplays in my time (and a fair few books on writing scripts too) and I could have provided a far more balanced review for this - even if I loved the concepts and narrative stucture, I would have at the very least flagged up my (extreme) concerns over the dialogue. And yet Knowles doesn't. In fact he jjst gives this a total thumbs up. Its the Phantom Menace all over again. Mesa loves it. So to me the fact that Knowles was duped isnt the most important aspect of this episode; what is, is the fact that Knowles clearly has no ability to actually identify a bad screenplay from a good one. Or perhaps he can. Perhaps Knowles did read this and noticed the myriad issues that just about every TalkBacker has cited. But maybe, just maybe he wanted to suck up to Fox (note how he name-checks studio boss Tom Rothman) in an effort to get some owesents and maybe asked to host a few screenings. And think how popular the latter would make him - this is Ridley Scott's return to the SF genre and it is going to be huge! Harry's ass would be kissed from here to the planet Zeus if he was able to host a few screenings. And he would be heralded again as a serious voice within the film community for being able to pull off such a coup. And that, more than anything, is what Knowles desires. So in summary perhaps it is us that has been duped all along. Maybe Harry The Idiot isnt as stupid as we think. Maybe he is just a manipulative self serving immoral bastard who would do anything to increase his popularity and standing.
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April 7, 2012, 2:56 a.m. CST
banned_dirty_ape, apology for what and to who?
by Talkbacker with no name
ha get over yourself.
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April 7, 2012, 3:10 a.m. CST
How about just apologizing to his audience and the site, and himself. As bad as he always has, the Harry of years ago would never have let this shit slide (or Michael Bay).
by reflecto
Now he's a very easy mark for studios and fakes alike, because he is desperate to be loved.
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April 7, 2012, 3:11 a.m. CST
Love the bit in Prometheus where Iron Man gets attacked by a facehugger. They could have given Odin a bigger part, though.
by scrote
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April 7, 2012, 3:15 a.m. CST
Ridley Scott will only read scripts that are written in crayon...send one of yours H!
by scrote
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April 7, 2012, 3:16 a.m. CST
Love the bit in Prometheus where Iron Man gets attacked by a facehugger. They could have given Odin a bigger part, though.
by scrote
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Is Harry backsliding or merely stagnant?
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Engrish please!
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Harry reminds me of the kid at school who'd run around saying 'I know secrets! Ive got sources at Sony. In the Government! On the Moon'. And his sources are...his mum. Who says she loves him
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thank god texas executes retards
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I'm not sold on the script... The planet at the start of the trailer seems a lot more like prehistoric Earth to me. I think the glyphs all point to a star system and on arrival there - the ship and crew traverse a wormhole which throws them back through time and space to land on prehistoric Earth where they find the ancient space-jockey ship. The awakening of the space jockeys and genetic code rewriting goo gives way to the birth of mankind - ironically this is through man's own cre8ion. Big things have small beginnings..? The search for our beginning may lead to our end..? There is the theory of the moebius... Thanks for reading.
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Because the initial alien who is born needs some way to produce further eggs without a queen.
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Well, golly... at least I didn't get the spitful-little-fucker vitreol you came up with for antonio_bannederas. But even so I don't need to getover myself, thank you. I am well aware of my total insignificance in the Universe. I have a son, a partner and a cat who all love me and would miss me when I pop my clogs, but beyond that I am a mere spec on this planet. What I do have, though, is self respect, honor and humility. If I ran a commercial website and promoted myself as being an authority on movies - and used both vehicles to point an audience in the direction of a movie I had reviewed (in this case via a screenplay review) I like to think I'd have the good grace to own up to my mistake and to apologise, to the customers/clients/readers (call them what you will) of this site AND to my colleagues for bringing the site into disrespect. Now perhaps Harry has apologised already to the other Moderators on this site - doubtful, but I accept it may have happened behind the scenes. But he sure as hell hasn't put his hands up to the readership here. What he has done is said that Prometheus is going to absolutely rock and whilst that may well ultimately be the case he has based his opinion on a falsehood. I am one of Harry's biggest detractors for a number of reasons - I won't bore people with reciting them again here but they are all cogent and not just blind hatred - but you know what, I'd have had quite a bit of respect if Harry had been honest, put his hands up to the fact he'd been duped and maybe scrubbed the review entirely. Hell, we're all human - even you I suspect - and we all make mistakes. Mistakes I can forgive, but not Harry's arch refusal to ever admit it when he screws up. That just gives further weight to my theory that he thinks he is something special, a movie expert beyond reproach and incapable of error. I appreciate that on the trailer park you were raised by your mum and a series of uncles, things like humility probably were not taught to you which is why you didn't understand suggestion that Harry should make an apology. But just so you know I was asking for a collective apology to all of AICN not just to me. So perhaps rather than just dishing out insults and defending Harry you should consider changing your name to Talkbacker With No Brain. Or have I already made that pun before? If I have then I apologise. Did you see what I did there?
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April 7, 2012, 5:06 a.m. CST
=It's that he watered it down, took the bite out of it, lowered production value and dumbed it down.=
by KilliK
First of all,Cameron didnt lower the production value,the studio gave him a limited budget of18m,less than he had hoped for to make the movie that he had visualized.But even then,he managed to pull out a magnificent movie of a grander scale than its predecessor. As for the watered down aliens part,Cameron has already given his answer about that: === Kelly Godel deplores the Aliens as "lame, weak and shameful follow-ups to their predecessor." A careful analysis of both films would show that the adult warrior (my term for the single adult seen in ALIEN) has the same physical powers and capabilities in ALIENS as it did previously. Since the Nostromo crew were unarmed, with the exception of flamethrowers (which we never see actually used against the creature), the relative threat was much greater than it would be to an armed squad of state-of-the- art Marines. One, crazed man with a knife can be the most terrifying thing you can imagine, if you happen to be unarmed and locked in a house alone with him. If you're with 10 armed police officers, it's a different story. We set out to make a different type of film, not just retell the same story in a different way. The Aliens are terrifying in their overwhelming force of numbers. The dramatic situations emerging from characters under stress can work just as well in an Alamo or Zulu Dawn as they can in a Friday the 13th, with its antagonist. === And you know,he is right,i have said the same thing in the various alien discussions here.
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a species bio-engineered by accident by the humans or on purpose by the Space Jockeys to destroy the humans,and not as a product of a long-standing evolution process which took place in some completely alien,hostile world which the humans cant even imagine how it looks like. Let's hope that this is not what is going to happen in Prometheus.but i doubt it.
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Didn't that guy assure us for months and months that LOST was all planned out ahead of time, that ending was what they were working for all along, etc., only to finally fess up that they had just the first season sussed out and the rest was made up as they went along? Sorry, I wouldn't trust that guy again if he told me the sky was blue...
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Part of the terror of Alien comes from our fear of the unknown and incomprehensible. That is ne of the main things that makes the alien so scary. That said, the idea that they are bioengineered weapons has been around since the original film, I seem to remember Ash even comes out and suggests it in the novelization. The film strongly hints at the fact that the Space Jockeys at least farm or distribute these creatures and gigers philosophy and art springs directly from the concept of machines giving birth to biological entitys. I prefer origins to be kept secret, I find that scarier, but If they are bioengineered weapons, I can't claim that's not cannonical with the original film and concept.
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I can't believe Harry was duped into thinking this was the real deal.
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several long articles tearing into Harry, and then one congratulating him on his marriage. Way to be consistent!
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when its from the middle of march?
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April 7, 2012, 6:06 a.m. CST
= I can't claim that's not cannonical with the original film and concept. =
by KilliK
nopre,you are wrong,it is not canonical with the original film. Aliens are organic species whereas the Space Jockeys are bio-mechanical.This is pretty clear in the movie. There is not even a hint about the origin of the aliens in the first movie.You can speculate about this thing but these speculations are not canon.Well until Prometheus comes out.
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April 7, 2012, 6:10 a.m. CST
H, check out the Blade Runner 2 script; that's got Deckard blasting Skrulls. Honestly H, honest.
by scrote
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April 7, 2012, 6:38 a.m. CST
So you all enjoyed that Mark McAllister version of the script?
by Deschi
Heard it's proven to be completels fanfic.
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April 7, 2012, 6:40 a.m. CST
banned_dirty_ape, bringing the site into disrespect? haha
by Talkbacker with no name
He read a fake script. So what? It was debunked within a few hours. He should apologise for being duped? He should only apoligise he he did it knowingly and even then who gives a shit? It's no big deal. You just want to watch him squirm for your own amusement over something so petty and that is why I have a problem with you and all the shit you write. You choose to come here day in and day out and have admitted to being banned from here at least 3 times (once this week), so quit your whining about who deserves apologies. ha you really didn't just do a "you grew up in a trailer park" insult, did you? Save the americanisms for someone who was raised there. They will have a better chance of having the effect you desire. Self respect, honor and humility? haha fuck off, monkey boy!
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April 7, 2012, 6:44 a.m. CST
*He should only apologise if he did it knowingly
by Talkbacker with no name
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I've just read it and there are some interesting changes you might want to post as scoops on your web site. They are; 1. In this version, Parker doesn't get his powers from a spider bite. In fact he gets a hickie from a radioactive Gwen Stacy. 2. As a consequence, in addition to the classic spider powers, he also grows man-boobs and gets PMT. 3. Curt Connors is NOT the Lizard in this but turns himself into a human intestine called The Gizzard. 4. Gone is Uncle Ben's famous With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility speech. Now a much modernised Ben simply tells Peter to stop leaving all that web shit all over the fucking house. 5. Aunt May has a nude scene. 6. The script describes Spidey's mask in great detail. In particular, it mentions that the eyes should move and be expressive exactly like the 60's cartoon. 7. The mask thing ties into the final shot where Spidey, in full costume, winks at the camera. 8. The Spider-Mobile features heavily in the movie (doubtless for merhcandising reasons Spidey needs a car) although in this version it isnt invented by Reed Richards but by Aunt May (whilst she is naked). 9. Peter has a small dog (described in the script as being like Gizmo in the first Transformers movie). Originally called Rover, after apeter gets his own powers he makes a little costume for the dog and re-names him Spider-Dog. 10. This script gives Spidey the dry wit he has in the comics which was so absent from the Raimi movie. For example, when The Gizzard dies at the end Spidey says he had a lot of guts. 11. Spidey changes his web fluid to Pepsidol to defeat the Gizzard. 12. Early on in the movie, during flashbacks to Peter's parents, there is a scene where some kid gets his head stuck in a fish bowl. Flash forward to the end of post credit sequence and this kid is revealled as having grown up to be Mysterio, the villain for the next movie. 13. The are cameos in the movie by all of the Avengers, the X-Men, the Banana Splits and Jenny Agutter. 14. Not only do Spidey's new web shooters flash red when he fires them, but they also play a little tune like a doorbell. 15. Remember those little silver trainers Spidey seems to have attached to his boots? Those are explained in the script because Spidey's first attempt at a costume features stilleto heals but Parker decides he doesn't have the legs to carry them off hence the change to flat heals in the later version of the suit. Its a great script and the film will be awesome. You will love it Harry!
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April 7, 2012, 6:49 a.m. CST
This shit has now spread to 4chan :) http://boards.4chan.org/tv/res/22132521#q22132521
by Carrie Fisher
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April 7, 2012, 6:53 a.m. CST
'Studio-flattering man-child and Ain't It Cool News founder Harry Knowles' wretched new web series went online yesterday morning, but we're only getting around to writing about it now because it has taken that long to get our eyes to stop puking.'
by scrote
Wow. They weren't impressed,then? http://blogs.sfweekly.com/exhibitionist/2012/04/harry_knowles_new_video_show_i.php
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April 7, 2012, 7:42 a.m. CST
Harry we hate to rain on your parade but you just got your ass kicked. Time to butt out and call it even
by unparanoid_android
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April 7, 2012, 7:44 a.m. CST
Harry you sure your kong bomb is genuine? Or did it come from Planet zeus?
by unparanoid_android
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Gosh, what a potty mouth. Does your mummy know you use words like that? Maybe dial it down a little next time eh? Something equally mature and pithy as "my dad is bigger than yours" should do the job. Look, if you don't think Harry's reviews have damaged AICN then thats fine. But I stand by what I said. And the reason why I believe Harry needs to grow a pair and fess up is because I cannot stand people who have got celebrity status without earning it, and who think they are better than the rest of us. Harry has got his movie expert title almost entirely (but not totally) by default and his ego has grown accordingly. Articles like this expose him for what he really is but I think a lot of people who, like me, have become disenfranchised with him and AICN, would find some new respect if he just admitted he had cocked up. I dont have to justify myself to you. If you dont want to agree with me, fine, but I'm not sure you have the right to lecture me on how I should express myself. I'm flattered that you seem to be so familiar with my posts even though you clearly don't like them. You don't have to read them of course - and frankly I'm sure you could use your energy more constructively anyway; writing love poems about Harry Knowles for example, or a session of furious masturbation. You certainly seem to be up for the former and I suspect are well qualified and experianced in the latter given that you come across as a bit of a wan..... ah, nope, not going to stoop to your level. I retract that. But I bet my dad is bigger than your dad.
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April 7, 2012, 7:47 a.m. CST
Harry I heard your cat is sick. You need a feline solution
by unparanoid_android
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quote aboive: "Dan O’Bannon’s script was a mix of It! The Terror from Beyond Space and Planet of the Vampires with a touch of Lovecraftian cosmic Horror (O’Bannon was a Lovecraft fan and Alien resembles At the Mountains of Madness among other works)." If you go that way, do some more research: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivers_%28film%29
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Νο i have watched the movies,you know, the only thing that matters as canon.your turn.
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April 7, 2012, 8:18 a.m. CST
Aliens is a brilliant sequel and a brilliant movie in its own right
by Mike J
And to be honest I have never actually talked to any movie fan who didn't agree with this. The term rollercoaster ride is a cliche these days but it really is a very appropriate way of describing Cameron's epic movie. I applaud Cameron for goi g a totally different route with this rather than just maki g an obvious claustraphobic follow up to Scott's movie. I try and watch Aliens at least once every three months, especially when I'm feeling down. No other movie gives me that kind of rush. I hardly ever talk in those ridiculous absolute terms where people shout "fact" on things which are subjective. But I have to make an exception here. Aliends is an AWESOME movie. Fact!!!!!
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Apologies for my multiple erronious post - no idea what the hell happened there but if I could have edited the post I could have amended it so I didn't look as if I had a stutter. Still, I'm sure all those extra unnecessary posts from me will keep Talkbacker WithNo Name happy. He/she/it/them is my biggest fan and just loves reading everything I write.
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April 7, 2012, 8:24 a.m. CST
and talking to him about STAR TREK with Orci & Kurtzman at the HIGHBALL after our STAR TREK screening is a wonderful night of geeking out and drinking
by ThisBethesdaSea
HUH? Harry couldn't write himself out of a paper bag.
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If it's not a prequel, right? http://phgeek.blogspot.com/2012/04/re-surrection.html
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April 7, 2012, 8:49 a.m. CST
@creepythinmanrises how about the Freudian subtext in the derelict?
by KilliK
which looks like a woman with her legs spread and in the middle there is the vagina-like entrance.Inside the derelict there are hundreds of eggs and someone from the Nostromo crew gets "impregnated" with one of them.The whole sequence on LV426 reeks with these sexual metaphors.dont you agree? As for the Alien itself,if i am not mistaken in the original Giger drawing from his Necronomicon book,it had a vagina with a penis in it.And then there is the scene where the Alien,with its phallic-like head, supposedly "rapes" Lambert. I think there are a lot of sexual undertones to be discovered in the Alien movie.
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and you what? he is not half-wrong,he makes some good points.
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... and I didn't want to sound harsh and question your knowledge in movies. So sorry for that. Of course we could discuss now for a very long time if there is a subtext regarding the "Alien" creature (I think, there is) but all in all it's a very sunjective thing how to interprete certain themes and motives in movies and i am sure we both would have good idead and theories to undergrid our arguments. To make it short: although i am not a big fan of psycho-analytic interpretation in the case of Alien and Shivers I found so many parallels regarding a Freudian point of view and thought that there is such a similar subtext, that i really wondered. And looking for evidences, that there may be a connection between those movies (not only in an abstract analytic way) I found this statement here: "The most interesting revelation has to do with a similar movie. The parasite in this movie is about the size and shape of a. . . well, let's just say it's rather Freudian. In any case, there are scenes where it leaps onto faces and where it bursts from victim's exploded bellies. That, plus the apartment complex name ("Starliner") makes it an easy leap to Dan O'Bannon's parasite story, ALIEN. In fact, when Cronenberg showed this movie at a German film festival several years after it was made, a German audience member stood up during a question and answer period afterwards and accused Cronenberg of ripping off ALIEN. When Cronenberg pointed out that SHIVERS was made (1975 vs. 1979) years before ALIEN and that Dan O'Bannon has admitted that he saw SHIVERS before he wrote ALIEN, the German said, "Ah. So now we know who the thief was."" http://www.feoamante.com/Movies/STU/shivers.html
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While I don't agree with you on many of the points you raise, I have to say this was an eloquent summary of the movie. I admire Aliens, but I don't re-watch it anymore. I'm not a hater of James Cameron because of his success, but I have become less enthusiastic with each subsequent movie he has crafted. After The Abyss, in my opinion, his films have very little you can be engaged by. You should write for this site, Creepy. Hell, I can't be the only one who reads your posts...
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There was a John Carpenter interview a long time ago (it may be on youtube) where he talked about how Dan O'Bannon had a lot of problems with his stomach, to the extent where had to have parts of his intestines removed. Carpenter kind of nods and says, "So, that's where the alien came from."
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Well THAT was a new detail for me. But it's funny how many little and random coincidences may influence an authors story... not only other stories :D Like Goethe might never have written his famous "Faust" if he hadn't sufferd - as dull as it may sound - of constipation. To cure it he did a lot of research regarding naturopathy and some mystical ideas which inspired him later to write his maybe most famous work :D
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At this point it would be better to openly discuss this, not backtrack and hope it goes away.<P>
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April 7, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST
@deschi ...There ya go; I never knew that either. The TB's on here are the only reason I visit this site anymore.
by scrote
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One thing what really worked in the first Alien movie, was the way the cast acted. The acting felt really natural and even though we never saw these characters before when first watching the movie after a really short time we had an almost complete image of their background in our minds without seein any flashbacks or stull like this... that is something which has become really rare, sadly. And most important: I agree that explaining every bit of stuff, which has a touch of mystery in it, can easily destroy a whole franchise. Keeping certain things open to personal interpretations is not annoying imho and doesn't annoy the audience because they may "not get it"... it's more like a sign of respect for the audience to show: hey look, you are able to use your own brain ;)
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Ah, this one doesn't begin with an 'A'. Therefore, it just CAN'T BE an Alien movie. I can't get those spelling mistakes out of my head since I read the script sitting on the Lava-Tree. Its pretty good.
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April 7, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST
creepy...I didn't know that. Share the love for Return Of The Living Dead. Awesome movie. FACT!!!
by scrote
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Change the name already.
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I'm not sure but I bet it involves a fire extinguisher or two.
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I'm looking for some viral vitriol on the subject.
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April 7, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST
@soylentmean ...not viral vitriol...you mean feline solution
by scrote
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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA<P> Wait for iiiiiiiiiiiiit...<P> HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
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If they start talking about this on the television I'm going to have to start believing it was.<P> Although I guess everything is up in the air here, since there hasn't been any actual DISCUSSION by AICN staffers!
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/06/prometheus-script-damon-l_n_1409287.html?ref=entertainment
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This seems like a scenario that would call for that scenario since it's such a strange scenario.<P>
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April 7, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST
@soylentmean...it was a scam from the start...read creepythinmanrises' posts from above. I hate being cynical but he makes a lot of sense.
by scrote
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April 7, 2012, 10:37 a.m. CST
Winona_Ryders_Pussy_Juice need to change his name to...
by cameron1975willi
...Winona_Ryders_Feline_Solution.
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http://qkme.me/3oofrd
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Hmmmmm...
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That like Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skulls the subject matter of contemporary myth making will be treated too lightly. I dont know how we can conceive of insights into things like possible 'Ancient Aliens' that isnt overly hokey. I hope this thing does get a bit philosophically boring. At least get a few paint layers down into what could be possible. 2001 got it pretty right in its day. But to be as good as that you need to go a bit deeper into the thinking bits.
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April 7, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST
CreepyThinMan had all his posts deleted! He was banned? Why?
by D.Vader
Because his comments hit too close to home? Come on, this site allows so much other shit to fly in the talkbacks, I'll never understand that when this site makes a mistake and people pounce on it, that's grounds for banning. Just like I said years ago, when someone gets banned, I think the mods need to come on the Talkback and *explain* the behavior that necessitated a banning. That serves as an example for the rest of us. Otherwise, we're all left wondering what someone did that was so wrong to deserve it, bc as of now, all the evidence has been erased. And in my opinion, it makes the site look bad, not the talkbacker who was banned.
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That people would openly root for the failure of Ain't It Cool before, during and after this. The last thing you'll get from me on this matter is a defense of Harry, as we owe it to ourselves as journalists to maintain some sort of integrity in our reporting. It's up to us to check our facts, double-check our sources, etc. Our reputation is everything, and anything we do to damage that is clearly no good. However, this isn't the first time someone hasn't done their due diligence, and it probably won't be the last, so all we can do is collectively learn from the mistakes of others in order to try to better our own approaches. However, there's a damned if you do, damned if you don't mentality around here, particularly amongst the TBers... mainly because you want everything, yet at the same time nothing. I'm not going to make sweeping generalizations, but there's a segment of people who bitch that the site isn't what it used to be, that we aren't doing script reviews, breaking stories, producing the scoops that Ain't It Cool has been known for in the past. The simple answer to that is that the times have changed in the industry. Studios are extremely careful with how they handle their information. They want to be in control of what breaks, how it breaks and when it breaks, often filtering stories down to sites like Variety, Deadline, THR, where they know they'll get favorable coverage. They're doing everything in their power for Ain't It Cool and other sites to land that info first, where our opinions/perception may dictate how it's viewed by the masses. Therefore, if we don't find some way around that, we're criticized for it. If we cover those stories, we're criticized for it. If we write too little, criticism... if we write too much, criticism. There seems to be an inability for members of our readership to be pleased by anything we set out to do. And I'm sure someone will be quick to point out that I've only been a contributor here for a short time... but I've been a daily reader of Ain't It Cool since 1997. There's always been standard made and held by the readership for the staff to have to follow, because excellence should be expected and deserved if you're going to spend your time frequenting a site. However, that standard has become increasingly impossible to please. It's amazing to me that some people would actively root for this site to fail. They wouldn't just walk away from the site, no longer supporting its direction... no, they'd rather watch an entire online community of movie fans crumble, and for what...? For some type of sick satisfaction that what...? What exactly would that do for you? Ain't It Cool News has always been built around the idea of movie fans gathering to talk movies. On the writing side, it's to be able to express us love, hate and feelings in between for all types of films, projects, directors, etc. On the reading side, it's to be able to have a place to get involved in the discussion, to interact with fans of all types from all over the place where there is no wrong answer and every opinion, no matter how ridiculous, still has a certain validity. We're not here to sell our souls, as some of you might like to believe, to the studios for any type of benefit. When we host screenings, it's because we want to gather a segment of our readership together to enjoy a movie we think you might enjoy. When we interview an actor or a director, it's because we find them interesting, and we want to share our candid discussions with others who might be interested enough to read them. When we cover certain news stories, it's because it's something we find interesting or think you might like to know. When we review, it's because we want to share our opinions of a film, and have it perhaps guide you from sharing in a film we enjoyed or staying away from a movie you'd be better off not seeing. I'm not going to pretend to speak for others, but I've never been paid for a review, offered anything for a review or leaned on for any type of review. My take on anything I see is my own honest perspective, and you can take it or leave it. That's entirely up to you. You can read it, because you agree with me. You can read it, because you disagree with me. Or you can choose not to read it period. However, don't think for a second that my words are being used to sell anything for anyone. If I love a film, I might go to bat for it, just like you would in telling your friend to check something out. You want it to succeed, because it's good, not because there's anything coming to you as a result. That's the same thing here. We support what we choose to support, and we don't support the other stuff. In the event that I have been approached about how an interview is presented or how a story is written, I've passed on them entirely, because there are no outside influences that will ever dictate my voice. I'd like to believe that holds true for everyone who's a part of Ain't It Cool News. I chose to come write for Ain't It Cool, because of this community that's been built. I chose to be a part of a site I still think is the gold standard for what other film sites choose to be. I strive to help make this site better every single day, and I root for it to succeed on every level, surpassing anything and everything it's been able to accomplish in that past. I hope you do, too. I'm not saying "love it or leave it," because it's the readership and its opinions that have helped build this site in the first place. However, to actively root against us for whatever "personal reasons" you feel is a bit unacceptable. 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April 7, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST
Creepythin tends to be right IMHO, but then he punctuates reason with some wildly belligerent opinion. But the fact remains, "The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those who don't have it."
by Pvt. Duke
I've been coming here since I was 17 (I'm 30 now), so I wish Harry the best. But Creepythin's comment about the MOB hosing Harry down at the car-wash made me spew coffee on my monitor.
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I think once you start heading into a person's family, that's where the line gets crossed.
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April 7, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST
Billy, you've been here about 8 minutes. No one cares what you think since most of the contributors with any kind of integrity abandoned ship long ago.
by reflecto
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April 7, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST
And I'm sorry, but let me explain to you why I root for AICN as it has been for - well, many years to fail. Because there is absolutely no core integrity. You and Harry want it both ways.
by reflecto
You want the site and its staff to be seen as influential, substantive and relevant in geek culture and the industry - don't pretend Harry doesn't, because he's been rattling on about his and his friends' largely failed "projects" for years (sorry, those Masters of Horror episodes were pretty much shit) - but when you're called on flagrantly unprofessional behavior or journalism, like the pirating scandal from years back or this current hoax, there is NEVER a legitimate apology. NEVER any acceptance of blame or responsibility. Just a half-assed ambiguous reply, and another outright LIE - everyone on the Internet knows when Harry received this obvious fake Prometheus script. It's just that Harry wants to pretend there's some chance he might not have been duped, and tries to lie to our face. You're right, Billy, the industry HAS changed since AICN started. So has AICN. Other sites have built some degree of professional standards and ethics - Harry's never had any. Whenever anything like this happens, Harry, you, and guys like you come out of the woodwork, whining and pleading and mewling about "passion" and "just being fans". "We're passionate! We just looove movies! Don't blame us if we can't get our shit together and act like we have a shred of professional integrity on a website that's still using an interface from 1999! We don't have time to update the site or take responsibility for failures because we're lost in the maaagical world of movies!" You know what? I love film too. It's my life. I work in film. I still have time to have some kind of standard for my professional behavior. "The industry has changed" is not an excuse for this website basically turning into a sausage-making factory for a few studios. Harry's darling new vlog is basically just a series of product endorsements and advertisements. "Buy these collectibles as a grown man! Oh, and don't worry about Michael Bay who I'm a first name basis with! He's a great guy!" Do you really not see anything fucked about that approach, Bily? If you've commented here long enough you know what this place has become. It was never exactly a hub of journalistic integrity, but at least it didn't piss on my face after drinking the studio kool-aid and then try to tell me it was the renegade. The bottom line, and you know this as well as I do, is that Harry's stock has fallen so far and he relies so heavily on ANY kind of free promotion from studios, that ANY kind of anonymous contact is considered newsworthy to him now. He has that little left of his own that has not already hit Collider or Deadline. He's constantly late on the big news or leaks because he can't be bothered to care. So of course he was behind the times on this Prometheus script hoax, Billy. Of course he published it, hoping people would respect him again, not even bothering to google it. And of course he lied to us about when he got it. This site needs a complete change of management. Harry Knowles is never going to update the talkback interface or add an edit feature or anything else. All he cares about is his vaporware projects, promoting himself and pretending he's a cool dude people admire for his toys and presents. There hasn't been anything remotely admirable about Harry's persona in over a decade.
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It's not that we are actively wishing for Harry and this site to fail, but rather we would like to see some improvement. After many years of excuses and promises of a site overhaul, both technical and fundamental, with nothing to show for it, can you really expect us to be a bit unforgiving when amateur shit like this happens. A quick fact check would've squashed this and the tarnished rep would've been a little bit more glossy. Nope Harry ran with it--why? Because he's careless? Because he doesn't think? Because he's impulsive? It really doesn't matter. Regardless, people just want the promises made by the mods fulfilled. The utter contempt by some to say that we aren't owed anything doesn't help either. This site, without the TBs would cease to exist. Don't believe me? Try it for a week. I want to see this place thrive like it once was. It sometimes feels like I want it more than Harry. I hope that isn't the case but his (in)actions lately show to me that this might be the case.
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April 7, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST
choppah, I can tell you with zero doubt that you absolutely want AICN to improve more than Harry. Harry's only investment these days is clearly Harry.
by reflecto
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April 7, 2012, 1:01 p.m. CST
killik and everyone else: Stop quoting the Cameron article from Fangoria/Starlog in the 80's as if it's a valid response to what's going on today.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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...and I know from the past that Scott has the capacity to knock my socks off...he has done it in the past and I think he can still do it. I'm hoping that this is going to be as awesome as it has the potential to be. BTW....I thought that ALIENS was one of those rare sequels that was just as good (if not even better) than the original....and that is just my opinion...but I'm sticking to it.
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April 7, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST
LisaB again demonstrates she doesn't understand how movies get made
by D.Vader
That they're a collaborative process. Go figure.
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A lot of what you say makes good sense and it is clear you are passionate about things, which is great. But I think you're missing the point. The main reason why people have attacked Harry over this latest fiasco is simply because he was so easily fooled into believing what he had was genuine and then compounded his error by only begrugingly admitting to it. Sorry, but if - as was the case here - Harry is going to treat his readers with contempt then it is a bit much to ask us to treat him (and by association AICN) with respect. The majority of people who have re-acted to Harry's Prometheus gaff have not, as you suggest, been rooting for you all to fail, we are simply rooting for people like Harry to put some effort in, which frankly he rarely ever seems to do these days. Bleat on all you like about how you do this for the love of movies and that you want to share the love, but AICN is a public site with commercial funding and which features work by people who claim to be professional movie writers. And therein lies the rub. Sorry, but I find it a bit churlish of you to get upset when people react to major gaffs by someone like Harry when Knowles puts himself about as a professional movie expert. Sure, he hides behind the "Im just a geek" defense when it suits him to do so but othertimes he actively calls himself a professional writer, film critic and movie producer. So he is fair game as far as I'm concerned. Harry Knowles dropping the ball on a review is no different to, say, Andrew Stanton botching John Carter. They are the ones claiming to be professional and so it is perfectly appropriate to attack their work when it is sub-standard. Look, nobody is perfect. Most people here accept that and very few people actually want AICN to fail. We just want it to get better. Yes, the landscape of the movie industry has changed from the late 90's and AICN and it's writers have had to evolve accordingly. But there is a difference between making an understandable goof and just publishing a poorly written, ill-researched piece of rubbish about a screenplay just about everybody else here - non-professionals unlike Harry - spotted as a fake from page 1. That is just sloppy and that is what people react to. When AICN gets like that it deserves all the flak it gets. And boy did Harry get this one wrong. Not only could he not spot the script was a fake, he also couldnt see how terrible the dialogue was either! And then of course he tries to row himself out of the situation by claiming he had the script for months. Delivered to him personally by Brian Cox no doubt. When we get presented with that sort of ill-informed writing and obvious bullshit from a supposed movie expert then of course TBs will get angry. To reiterate, people like me and Antonio Bannederas don't want AICN to fail. Quite the contrary in fact. We just get sick and tired of being fobbed off with sub-standard rubbish. And yes, we could of course just go elsewhere. But is that really what you want people to do? Leave AICN because the people who run the site no longer seem to make the effort to make the site good? That is a very dangerous game to play. Surely it would be better to fix things? Thats all we ask.
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I didn't read all of Creepy's posts, so I don't know what he said about anyone's family. I won't defend it, except to say that if anyone's family is brought up on the website and has been a part of it (Merrick's son, Harry's Dad and wife, etc), I think they are fair game to discuss. As for the status of AICN, I don't know of anyone who actively wishes for it to fail. There are many people who complain, and I'm definitely one of them. I understand that this site can't be what it once was as the studios have finally learned how to crack down on the flow of information. I get that. What I don't understand is how the contributors to this site report on days old, even weeks old news and not realize it. Many times they act like its bran new info for us, and its not. I also don't understand how this talkback code HAS NOT BEEN FIXED for over a year since this site was hacked. Its been a year, and STILL they haven't fixed this code that deletes our posts every time we use quotation marks. You know an easy solution? Put up a set of directions for everyone. Every day people use quotation marks, see their posts get deleted, and get pissed off about it and insult the website. And they're in the right. There's no excuse for the talkbacks still being in disrepair. Anyway, I've got to run. I have other complaints about the site that would be an easy fix (checking sources before running with a story is just one easy thing to do), but they'll have to wait. In short: Fix the talkbacks (Harry said this was temporary, its been over a year) Check your sources Read other website and be in the know, stop reporting on old news other sites reported days earlier But at the same time, I know people complain when you don't report on something everyone has. The fix? Report on it and apologize you were so late with it. Remain humble and you can gain respect form your readers. And my last point- RESPECT your readers. Too many mods treat us like we don't matter. At least you, Billy, recognize that the talkbackers and the readership make this site popular. Without us, there really would be no good reason to visit the place. Ack, gotta run. Adios folks.
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unless of course that is just some studio thing done up to look like a basement...but I enjoy that pee wees playhouse vibe
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was a fake. I knew it with the first glance. There's no excuse for Harry posting something like this, and then copping an attitude over it. Be man enough to admit when you're wrong, or if you're incapable of doing that then just erase this from the site, and whistle to yourself in a corner like it never happened.
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...good luck, man. Way to lose followers on this site!
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April 7, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST
However, this isn't the first time someone hasn't done their due diligence
by tomdolan04
If you're trying to play the journalist card 'The Kidd' there's due diligence and there's running around the internet bragging in broken English (journalistic integrity FTW) that you have 'industry sources' to material that is ridiculously fake, full of typos, available to anyone with an internet connection and has been debunked by multiple other sources weeks earlier. <p> That Lindelof got involved, leading to an 'update' by Harry to the article (that hasn't been clearly labelled as an amendment) made things worse. The update, which not as eloquent and empassioned as yourself, basically stated 'Lindelof is great people' and indicating the matter was all ok because '...he's been out for drinks with him'. <p> I like AICN for the TB's and don't wish it to fail per se - but any, and I mean ANY, inference about journalistic integrity about this matter or the general sourcing or quality control for 'Cool News' here may fly well amongst the staff but I think from the most cynical of TB'ers to the more generous it will generally fall on deaf ears. <p> Just IMO.
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Iron Jim's replies remain more relevant today,now with Prometheus' making, than ever before.
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Is still a source for entertainment but it worries me that whenever I come on here I am ported back to 1995....
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Harry should remember that respect must be earned and not expected. If he had started off by saying 'I've seen this fake script & its not worth the paper it was printed on but it could be worth a read as its so poorly written and had me laughing etc etc' then we all would have had a good chuckle and moved on without caring. Perhaps because he got on side with it so quickly he figured that we would get on side with it too and he underestimated our reaction. We can see through it pretty easily. It is poor that someone who has spearheaded this site 'For the fans' right from the start has become so distanced from us that he cannot even set the record straight with a simple, "I WAS WRONG". We all make mistakes, no question, but I would guess that we want the gold standard and not second best.
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April 7, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST
I don't expect capital J journalism when I come here, but when you present something as fact that turns out later to be false, you have to print a correction.
by Robert Evans
Or a retraction. AICN is not the NY Times or the WSJ, nor do I expect it to be, but if publications that big and reputable are able to print corrections (and they do; dozens each day), then so should a place like AICN. Sorry, but you can't keep straining to backpedal when the screenwriter himself has confirmed on multiple occasions in a public forum that the item presented as the real deal is actually bogus. Printing a correction or a retraction isn't an admission that you lied or sought to deceive people. Rather, it's the admission of a mistake, to which we are all prone. Now I agree that there are many on these boards who'll shit on the site no matter what it does, but that's just a fact of the publishing business. Fuck it. Who cares what people say? Stop being so goddamn defensive and sensitive, and own your fucking mistake. For every minute some black boxer takes to write some defensive screed or rant, there goes another minute that could have been spent formulating an official correction and response from AICN.
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April 7, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST
Hell, if he had said, "I came across this script, I can't authenticate it and I have my doubts, but here is what it would look like.."
by RulingRing
I think everyone would have been fine with it. It was the bold proclamation followed by bluster, then silence and finally the furious round of asscovering that took what should have been a footnote and made it a debacle.
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April 7, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST
I'm sure I'm not the 1st person to say this, but, don't read what you think is the script for a movie if you don't want to be spoiled!
by Zardoz
WTF, Harry!?
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April 7, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST
This is another step towards this ride coming to an end
by performingmonkey
I still come here, mainly for Quint's reports, but I'm feeling more embarrassed every time. Harry can talk about his life and who he may or may not have had drinks with one time but, frankly, that's not what most of us want to read, and it puts more 'casual' readers instantly against him. Harry, you are NOT the same as us (maybe you once were) and you're NOT the same as Damon Lindelof or anyone else who provides us with real entertainment (and you never will be), and they probably think you're nothing more than a pulsating leech. Also, the amount of studio ass-kissery on display here is becoming vomit-inducing. YES, studio involvement is great, but not when the articles read like they're written with dollar/pound signs obscuring the writer's view. The new Ain't It Cool show was okay but around 3-5 years too late. I fear it IS too late for this place... Incidentally, TB'er freedom is, and has always been one of the main draws of this place.
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April 7, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST
There are still people that believe that the fake plot synopsis from months ago was real
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
If you can't accept that Harry isn't perfect then just fuck off and go somewhere else!
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Half the TB'ers on here get to the start of June. They get dressed up. They call up their other half - 'Hey love, fancy a night out? That film I want to see is out'. They do their hair. They go into the foyer. They buy the popcorn. The lights dim. The film starts...with an opening crawl...: <p> 'Space. In a distant system the starship Prometheus, guided by artifacts from Earth, heads towards the Planet Zeus..." <p> We are going to be shitting it.
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April 7, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST
To sum up,Harry's web series debut which was going to be his comeback
by KilliK
to his past glorified days of exclusive news and reviews,turned out to be a disaster of epic proportions.ROFL.
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By saying that some people are routing for this site (and Harry) to fail shows shows that you're seeing these comments as coming from a hateful place, when they're absolutely not. These comments come from watching something you love slide down the toilet when, as you said, extremely basic "journalistic" approaches could've rectified the problem. Hell, you can even toss out the whole "journalistic" element of it and say that basic, common humility could've done the same thing. As for people complaining this site has changed over the years and is long gone from its glory days, the studios have nothing to do with it. The times have not changed. There are still early preview screenings, script leaks, people who work at studios who are loyal to the site and want to share info, etc. It's the site that has changed. Reports from preview screenings or a review of a leaked script are very rarely posted anymore. Do a compare and contrast of material that's been released between 2000 and now and I believe you'll see a great difference and be able to see where some of us are coming from.
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April 7, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST
Here is some proof that the script was written after the teaser
by RulingRing
Suddenly MILBRURN stops as he comes face to face with a blanket of red laser. The other five join him and they all look puzzled at the sheet of laser. HOLLOWAY What is that? This in reference to a really brief shot of Milburn looking up at the geological mapping lasers. Once the full trailer came out it was clear that the red lasers were human tech, but the brief teaser info made it look like Milburn was shocked or scared of them as seen here. http://www.prometheusforum.net/uploads/FileUpload/df/9b8bfc496b9321f9eb2b9c6c6debe4.jpg
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I would like to join in with you awesome talkbackers and make a website with the greatness of these talkbacks, but also with actual film reviews and behind the scenes of film making. But no money from the film industry allowed.
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April 7, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST
Look, Kidd, it's all well and good that people love movies and all, but Harry shoulda known, or at least thrown out a fucking disclaimer!!! that the script was fake when he posted it
by Al
If nobody called him on his bullshit, then if you read the original article, there isn't a goddamn single thing in here that indicates that the script could be a fraud. But if you read the thing, and just as a fan who has read scripts ... it's clearly a fraud. The guy who wrote it took lines from the teaser trailer, which are then nowhere to be found in this "script" when the actual theatrical longer trailer was released. Seriously, yay that the people who run and work on this site are passionate about movies. Good for them. Do your research. That's it.
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if a site did not revolve around a single personality and had editors.
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April 7, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST
Harry, how did you -first saw this script about 3 weeks before the first PROMETHEUS non-teaser trailer hit- and -Did a few months of digging-
by Franck
How could a -journalist- in your position not find in months of digging what talk backers debunked in hours of writing? How could you review and validate a script that a simple Google search would have shown to be a fake? How do you expect to be a driving force for your readers when you blatantly use a known fake script to pump your new video show, and in the process severely damage any remains of credibility you may have. But most of all, I just don't understand why you choose to ignore calls for site improvement, fact checking, and more. Some talk backers here are bright, smart, good writers, faithful contributors, Choppah, Vader, Asimov to name a few, hey even LisaB to stir up things once in a while. Despite it all they are still not hating, forgiving, just because they support, they feed your site, hey they feed you. And you just seem to ignore them, deliberately, as if they needed you more than you need them...you know Harry, an old saying advises not lo live in a house with broken windows..
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The last paragraph of your update is another unnecessary self-congratulating arse kissing.
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OPENING MONTAGE of SPACE JOCKEYS creating life on Earth. Shot of man with black lines on his hand and face. VICKERS: A King has his reign, and then he dies, it is inevitable... We then transition to SHAW and HOLLOWAY on Earth, exploring some caves. SHAW: How long have we been down here? HOLLOWAY: Long enough, I'd say. SHAW: Look, a hieroglyph thingy! HOLLOWAY: That's the thing we were supposed to be searching for, isn't it? SHAW: Yes, and it has a matching pattern with the other thingies we were searching for. HOLLOWAY: We need to collect this data. EXT. HILLS SHAW and HOLLOWAY look at each other like they want to do the no-pants dance. INT: RESEEARCH LAB HOLLOWAY: We believe this, when combined with other shit we found, forms a map! VICKERS: Interesting. SHAW: I think they meant us to find this, so we'd come. HOLLOWAY: Just like you did last night. SHAW: We have identified the place, by correlating it with our star maps and shit...it's LV426...but...how will we get there? VICKERS: Weyland is interested in funding a trip to LV-426...this is of huge importance to humanity and Mr. Weyland has expressed he is interested very much. SHAW and HOLLOWAY look pleased as punch. INT. SHIP BAY Prometheus in background, crew gathers. VICKERS: This is Captain Janek, he's going to be our Captain. JANEK: I'm no science guy, but I'm a space jockey who knows his way around the galaxy. I hope this is worth the effort. VICKERS: You will be well-paid, Janek. MILBURN and FIFIELD look apprehensive. FIFIELD: So we're going on this journey because of a map you found? SHAW: Not a map, an invitation. MUDOW and CHANCE look on. DAVID enters. FIFELD: Fuckin' android freak. DAVID: Excuse me. VICKERS: This is David, he'll be the science officer guy, handling some of that science shit. The crew embark. PROMETHEUS arrives at LV-426, The crew do press-ups. DAVID does not need to, because he is an android. They arrive on the surface and potter about, and find the DERELICT. SHAW: Be careful! HOLLOWAY: Like I give a FUCK! SHAW: You won't be getting one if you keep arsing about, you spaz! They enter it and find a bunch of Ampules and a huge fucking head. DAVID: These are fascinating. SHAW: Don't touch them, we don't know what they are! DAVID: Fascinating. He looks at the little creatures. Suddenly a worm thingy enters FIFIELD's suit and fucks him up. FIFIELD: Get it offff!! FIFIELD starts to mutate and runs off. The crew return to the Prometheus, but HOLLOWAY and DAVID sneak off and revisit the Ampules, and take them to the Prometheus. HOLLOWAY becomes infected while stealing an Ampule. Lingering Shot: SHAW and HOLLOWAY have the sex. Afterwards, HOLLOWAY realises he has fucked up when a wormy thing is in his eye. He feels sad but does not tell anyone. DAVID examines the contents of one Ampule, and cuts his finger. VICKERS catches him and tells him off, but DAVID says that he is following Company instructions from Weyland himself. VICKERS nods...she is ambivalent. DAVID experiments by injecting some of the alien material into MILBURN. The crew return to the Ampule site, hoping to find FIFIELD, but instead, MUDOW and CHANCE get fucked up by a SPACE JOCKEY. DAVID finds the star map, and examines it. He realises he now has power over humans...then the SJ's walk in. Pan around as SJ's discuss: SPACE JOCKEY 1: Why you mess with our stuff, little man? SPACE JOCKEY 2: We don't allow newbs! SPACE JOCKEY 3: You not human, maybe we like you if you work with us, hmmm? SPACE JOCKEY 1: Now we go show those humans not to fuck with us dudes! SPACE JOCKEY 3: Cowabunga! SHAW is preggers and has a squiddy thing removed, which then causes all kinds of crazy shit. She realises HOLLOWAY is a fucking moron. She goes to the medical bay. MED AI: You have a bun in your Oven, Miss Shaw. SHAW: Oh, I... MED AI: Correction...it is a very big bun, a big bun that must be removed. MEDBAY removes SHAW's parasite thing; it is a huge squid, and grows rapidly. SHAW runs from the MEDBAY when the squid-thing goes apeshit, it chases her and slams at the door with its tentacles. SHAW: Is it Japanese?! MEANWHILE, DAVID is smoking a Joint with his SJ buddies. DAVID: Let's go to Earth for super fun time! SPACE JOCKEY 1: Yeah, hang ten! FIFIELD and MILBURN attack the crew and MILBURN gets Burned with FLAMETHROWER, while FIFIELD attacks the crew member. SHAW stumbles into WEYLAND's ROOM and collapses. SHAW: We were so wrong. WEYLAND: But I needs my immortalism! SHAW fights two SPACE JOCKEYS, killing one but the other corners her, as she scooches against a wall...VICKERS arrives and flames it, then SHAW leaves the Prometheus to try and stop the Derelict from launching. VICKERS gets a FAMETHROWER and flames FIFIELD, but then has to run from the MONSTER. The Derilect launches and flies, SHAW tells JANEK to ram it. SHAW: If they reach Earth, there will be no home! JANEK: Is this because I ma the black man? SHAW: If they reach Earth... JANEK: Oh, alright, I'll do it, bitch! VICKERS legs it to the escape pod as... PROMETHEUS rams the DERELICT... JANEK: This is going all the way up your ASS, Space Bitches!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 The DERELICT is undamaged. SPACE JOCKEY grabs his chest. SPACE JOCKEY: Arse! His chest explodes and the DERELCIT plummets. VICKERS and SHAW run around on the surface, as the DERELICT crashes to the ground and rolls. As the DERELICT crashes, the Ampules inside are dislodged and collide and mix, creating a new creature... VICKERS, SHAW, and WEYLAND prepare to enter WEYLAND's second vessel. WEYLAND sees a facehugger and is intrigued...it smashes through his helmet and hugs his face, impregnating him. VICKERS and SHAW escape, but VICKERS blames SHAW for the disastrous mission when they get back to Earth. WEYLAND lays dying on LV-426's surface, as a Xenomorph bursts from him... The tentacle creature has stowed away on the second ship, and is revealed to be... MICHAEL BAY!!!
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Flynn-lives Animas Tallboy6t6 Reflecto Yourmomsboxreturns Kirbymanly Jellypop Choppah Tomdolan04 and d.vader For saying it like it is. Now Billy, do you get it? It is laughable that you should try and defend the site at the time it has made one of its biggest cock ups. Does nobody at AICN have the balls to admit this was a clusterfuck and that it has made everybody wake up and recognise changes are needed. Montychristo maybe? Animas called it right - this site needs an editor - By all means let Harry be a figurehead and sometime contributor but seriously Harry's ego is dragging this site down. And before we get the usual AICN defensive reply, Billy, just take into account there are at least 11 people on this TalkBack who have very clearly explained why they are so pissed over this situation and not a single one of them is rooting for AICN to fail - in fact to a man it seems they just want some degree to professionalism brought back here. But whilst you Billy, Harry, Nordling and others keep thinking that you are something special and are beyond rebuke, it is never going to happen. Maybe, starting with Harry Knowles, you should all start to recognise that your farts all smell just as bad as ours and work from there. AICN is very very broken right now but in no way is it irrepairable. You just have to want to fix it. And right now, based particularly on what has transpired in the last 48 hours, I've seen no no evidence that anyone associated with AICN actually wants to put the effort in to do that, least of all Harry himself. You all seem to want the set visits, the interviews, the toys and the kudos that goes with a movie site without actually making effort to run an actual site. In light of which it is really rather ironic, Billy, that you are suggesting some of us TBs actually want the site to fail. We most certainly don't but even if we did, you don't need our help - Harry is doing that all on his own.
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April 7, 2012, 6:01 p.m. CST
A BORDERLINE TRAVESTY. I NEVER THOUGHT I'D SEE THE DAY WHEN THIS SITE WOULD INFLICT UPON ITSELF
by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION
TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
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April 7, 2012, 6:05 p.m. CST
G@BRIEL GR@Y...I DON'T BELIEVE YOU'VE HAD THE PLEASURE.
by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION
I'M TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
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April 7, 2012, 6:09 p.m. CST
AICN is ALL HARRY HAS...YOU THINK HE'S GONNA LET THIS AFFECT HIM?
by ThisBethesdaSea
Harry has, slowly but surely dislodged his foot that was slightly (or whatever) in the door of Hollywood. He's not made any films, any attempts at films have failed. His Comedy Central pilot failed, he cannot write, nor, by way of this bogus Prometheus script can he tell good writing for bad. AICN is all Harry has in terms of his connection with Hollywood...and now this new video series that looks like its made for children and not adults. AICN is Harry's turf, and he won't be apologizing, nor will he bend. He doesn't have to. Harry doesn't realize that admitting weakness makes you strong. This is the fat lady singing folks. Right here, right now, and Harry knows it.
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You can tell them that your tiny balls retreated into your anal cavity at the mere mention of TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
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April 7, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST
Harry fucked up - again, and some envious TB'ers(who can't stand that a semi-illiterate makes money off of geeks) think they are more valuable to his site than he is
by Dirk_The_Amoeba
And some people wonder why talkbacks are an almost constant source of entertainment! Hide the fine-assed paramecium's and the badonk shaped popcorn kernels cause the well hung amoeba of love is back!
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Once again, let me reiterate that I am not pretending to speak for anyone or on anyone's behalf. I understand where you're coming from. As a longtime reader of the site myself, you want to know when you visit Ain't It Cool, you're reading information you can trust (rumors aside). I understand you feeling duped or disrespected or any number of synonyms I could throw in there. I'm just trying to relay to you that there are plenty of people around here, Harry included, that do care about resurrecting the site to its former glory (which isn't meant to sound conceited). There are a number of things in the works to try improving the site, including some of the technical issues of the site. I'm not going to speak on a timeline as to when you might see some of that, but just know that there definitely are plenty of discussions going on behind the scenes. Professionally, I absolutely feel like this was a misstep. However, it's Harry's choice on how to answer for it. If he feels he did enough on his part, that's his prerogative, just like it's your prerogative to accept it or not. I'm not trying to defend it. I'm just saying that it's best to just make your choice and move on. Only you can determine whether or not you believe Harry moving forward. As for stories being reported days later than other sites or from when they break, there's a simple explanation for that... sometimes other shit just comes up. It may be a screening or an interview or writing other stories or reviews. We try to get to everything, but sometimes that's just not possible. I'd rather write something late that's well thought out than rush into some half-ass just to be able to say "First!" I'm glad to know that my original assessment is wrong... that, aside from a couple of assholes, there isn't a drive to support failure for Ain't It Cool. I know many of you enjoy coming here, and you feel a part of something special when you're reading or taking part in the TalkBacks. For that to be minimized or tainted, I'm sorry... I'm sorry that we have let you down. Because this isn't about just Harry... we're a collective unit, and, if one of us fucks up, then we've all fucked-up. I can only vouch for myself that I am always trying to get better and take into account your actual constructive criticism where it applies ("You're a douche" is just treated as entertainment). Hopefully this clarifies a bit of my earlier comments, and, if anyone wants to take it further, my email is always open to hear from you.
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April 7, 2012, 6:22 p.m. CST
Harry, did you humiliate yourself again? Brian cox approves.
by Fritzlorrerains
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" And some people wonder why talkbacks are an almost constant source of entertainment! " Entertainment? More like disgusting self indulgence. Most of us are lucky there are sites like this one. I like coming here and discussing with real fans and not the trolls film that I like. The talkbacks as a whole? Well it's kind of like the bottom of the intellectual barrel.
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April 7, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST
Billy, we've been hearing that this site is going to be updated for years. There is no edit feature, there's no anything. Information, often inaccurate, trickles down to this site from others days or weeks later. In the case of this latest lapse, it is
by reflecto
You think I come here for the scoop like I used to? I get the actual information, usually more substantive, elsewhere. The only reason I come here now is for the entertainment of the talkbacks and to watch the immolation of Harry's latest stable of mealymouthed contributors, who often take up fool's crusades like defending John Carter beyond all reason because it was once Harry's dream project. Then, then submit weepy editorials blasting us for not liking it and saying that if we don't go see whatever just-okay-to-mediocre-to-terrible genre project the site is supporting this month, then it's "the end of films for GEEKS LIKE US (please don't lump me in with the AICN columnists) as we know it". Meanwhile, over on Harry's ego trip vlog, he is insisting that Michael Bay is the geek's best friend. WHAT? We've been hearing about these "upgrades" and changes and blah blah blah for years, but you have to admit that to any observer it looks like Harry lost interest in running an influential or topical site years ago. This place is in no way the first source for anything anymore - you know that, Billy. That's why Harry jumped on this hoax without even checking. He was desperate to look like the big man again. He wanted attention and presents. That's all he ever wants anymore. The site can go to shit, the "boilers" can complain and he can giggle and laugh it off in his basement. A magic world with no messy details that silly people like Andy in Toy Story 3 gave up. You seem like you're halfway rational. How can you honestly sit here and tell me that AICN is really working on these problems? That's the same line we have heard forever.
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What this site needs is a good elk orgy! I'm serious dude. Most of the asshole Tb'ers on here aint ne'er laid eyes (or laid anything else for that matter) on real life female genitalia, and I'm here to tell you that outside of some randy, fine-assed paramecium's, aint nothing better to get the amoeba rocks off than some Elk poon! Get these boys some elk tang and we got ourselves a different rodeo! Harry fucked up, and in typical harry fashion he won't fess up, but at least he let the talkback stay up, which is to his credit. So, all the howlin and bitchin goin on now is due to a lack of sexual release, and for all of those who swing on the other side of the algae pond, they got randy male elks too!
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April 7, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST
...a massive error. That's not waiting to get it right" - end of subj line, thanks AICN interface copyright 1999
by reflecto
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April 7, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST
Oh, I'm going to get flamed big time for this one but..........
by DanielnocharismaCraig
cut Harry some slack. The fact that he believed a bogus, amateurish written script was the authentic Prometheus work isn't sad. You know whats sad? The day this website goes under. Thats sad. Because where will all of you whiny little bitches go to if that happens? What other website forum would put up with your crap? This isn't 1997 anymore, I know that and all of you do. The "Wild West" of the internet is almost completely gone. The end of an era is almost upon us. Believe it or not, aintitcoolnews is one of the last bastions of free speech we have. Have I had some of my posts deleted? Sure. I made a rather tasteless gay joke here and there that got taken down, but I've had alot more that were still allowed to go through that rightfully should have been deleted. It's like that 80's song from Cinderella. "Don't know whatcha got, till it's gone....................."
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Some people flagellate some people masturbate, and some come to AICN to do both! That's entertainment baby! Don't dream it -be it!
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Harry deserves to get slagged for this story, but the whiny bitches who think they could do better and yet still come here to whine because this simply is the best site around that lets them do so with damn near impunity and no fucking avatars or gravtars or other such bullshit that hurts amoeba eyes, would jump off a fucking cliff if AICN disappeared! Hey on second thought, harry shut this fucker down and lets clean the gene pool!
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Except for the quotation and refresh glitches that is. The best interface around, because it does not fuck up the screen with worthless bullshit that you have to scroll through.
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April 7, 2012, 6:51 p.m. CST
An Edit feature would remove a persons real thoughts. Leave them out there for the everyone to laugh at!
by Dirk_The_Amoeba
That is why twitter is so great/so fucked up for athletes and celebrities, cause the is no filter
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April 7, 2012, 7:06 p.m. CST
Seriously. Who the fuck wants to have to trawl back through the comments to see what's been changed?
by RulingRing
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I've been coming to this site for around fifteen years and I've been Red Ned Lynch since I first started posting. And never in that time did I come here because I wanted to see what Harry thought of a film or to catch the very latest in entertainment news. Even back in the day there were always better sites for reliable reviews and breaking news. Yes, there were a few scoops early on, but even near the beginning that reputation was more sizzle than steak. And yes, over the years the site has been more obviously driven by the desire to curry favor with studios and stars but it has plenty of company in that. Other sites may do it more subtly (but not always; Chud springs immediately to mind) but part of the charm of AICN is the amateurish and obvious way it does everything. This is the site with the television reviewer who judges shows nearly exclusively on their degree of separation from Joss Whedon, where one writer has shown a disturbing propensity for movies featuring violent sex and another, considered by many to be one the site's better writers, has only a tenuous grasp of paragraph construction and fights a daily battle to maintain a consistent tense. This isn't the place you come for consistent and nuanced film criticism. This isn't the place you come for the latest entertainment news. If you want either of those things you are at the wrong site. And there are plenty of sites, a multitude of sites, that provide exactly those things. And it wouldn't matter if starting tomorrow Harry and everyone else involved in AICN turned every bit of their time and talent into trying to make it the place you're talking about because they don't have the skill sets, the resources or the contacts to do so. If you want those things this is not the site you're looking for. However... ...if you're looking for an on-line destination where the lead admin both physically and behaviorally resembles the manager of the comic book store you frequented as a kid, AICN is the place for you. And if, for a writing staff you would prefer the crowd of guys who used to hang out at the comic book store, from the almost intellectual and the overeager puppy to the passive aggressive grump and the guy who strikes you as maybe just a little too odd, AICN is the place for you. By the way, none of those mentioned is Ambush Bug. He's my favorite. He's the guy who loves his chosen subject so much he can find some reason to love almost anything in it. And if you prefer to engage in a level of discourse about movies that would normally be frowned on in polite society, oh Lord yes, AICN is the place for you. Harry once wrote in a review that he would have liked Wrong Turn better if the mutant hillbillies had raped Eliza Dushku, or at least stripped her naked before they tied her up. Was the review professional? No. Was it particularly coherent? No. But you know what? That review entertained me more than Wrong Turn did, and I remember it better today than I do the actual movie. In the talkbacks, to use a couple of recent examples, I've seen Asimovlives transform from a one trick pony who shouted that people were stupid if they disagreed with him into an interesting and often perceptive poster and Choppah go from a guy who posted some quick bit of sarcasm and a tagline to one of the most consistently interesting talkbackers on the site. I like the fact that I can always count on Vader to be polite to the point of apologizing for his post before he's finished it and Crow to go from righteously angry to perfectly agreeable in the space of two posts. I like the fact that when I post here I can behave in pretty much the same way I do with my friends. That professional site you guys are clamoring for? They're out there. And if this site became one, well then it would be one too. Personally, I'll take reading this post and its talkback over any of that. When I'm done maybe I'll check on Herc to see if he's compared Alias to The Wire again. That guy.
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http://phgeek.blogspot.com/
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What it is, brother? Long time no see!
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April 7, 2012, 8:25 p.m. CST
killik: Actually they aren't relevant at all. People keep presenting them as if they're recent comments. Even Cameron admits his sequel was an inferior fan boy creation now.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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April 7, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST
Ned, all you're doing is enabling them. There's "harmless geekery", sure, and then there's using that as a blithe defense for outright lying and harmful bullshit. AICN has engaged in both before
by reflecto
and this Prometheus mess is Harry's latest fraud. I'm sorry, but this site and this man claim they're developing new film projects of their own, that they are influential, that they're the first source for genre fans. Billy the Kidd just said it again. You don't get to call yourselves that, then shit the bed, post fradulent shit and then say "don't blame me, we're just fun geeks! We don't know what we're doing! It's a comic shop! Just like back home!"
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April 7, 2012, 8:44 p.m. CST
Not since Arthur Fonzarelli put on a pair of water skis...this is sad
by obijuanmartinez
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April 7, 2012, 8:45 p.m. CST
Remember when Harry said he saw Episode I in a hotel room. Yeah, same kid of lie. PATHETIC
by Nick
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April 7, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST
Remember when Harry wrote a GLOWING review of Godzilla. Yeah, more of the same BS... PATHETIC... FACT
by Nick
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April 7, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST
I think any meat in Harry's vicinity, hand or no is at some risk of being eaten.
by RulingRing
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April 7, 2012, 8:52 p.m. CST
This just in. Harry read the script to The Avenger 6 years ago, he KNEW that Robert Downey was cast before Robert did.
by Nick
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April 7, 2012, 8:53 p.m. CST
Remember, this is the guy who bases his reviews on how many toys he get's from the studio
by Nick
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April 7, 2012, 9:01 p.m. CST
Episode II in a hotel room... sorry. Harry's lies are too much for one mind to remember at this point
by Nick
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April 7, 2012, 9:15 p.m. CST
Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him"?
by Yoda's Ball Sack
Or reads after him?
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April 7, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST
stupid fucking TB... try again... relugus, that was some beautiful prose you delivered
by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls
Feel free to use me as a reference on any future job application.
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there's no edit button here? Fuck this place!
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I read this script review, and the resulting talkback, about three weeks ago. I wasn't convinced it was real.....so I kept mum. Then....the review hit. Then the comments and mod responses appeared, and things started to synch up. So here I am, posting about it all.
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April 7, 2012, 11:21 p.m. CST
The fact that everything on this site is primordial except the dumbass Harry animation, which is regularly updated, tells all about Harry's priorities.
by reflecto
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April 8, 2012, 12:14 a.m. CST
Harry, you should remove your video link from this page...
by Emit Brown
...Otherwise we're all going to start screaming that this was all planned on your part. Right now you have publications like the HUFFINGTON post linking back to this page. Hmmmmm...curious that this same page has your VIDEO on it for your new show. Dude...why don't you drum up some more controversy just to benefit views on your video. Lame-ass move dude. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/06/prometheus-script-damon-l_n_1409287.html
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As a longtime reader, who just started posting, I was in the, "fuck Billy," camp at first, but I like your commitment buddy. Your responses in talkbacks like this, and a couple of surprisingly positive reviews lately have won me over. Not that I matter, but cheers dude!
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April 8, 2012, 1:47 a.m. CST
And I just watched 'Alien' with my girl, who'd never seen it...
by ThulsaBoom
...all I want to know is will Prometheus approach the 'sex horror' angle at all? Because 'Alien' is the most pornographic horror movie I've seen...in a good way.
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Shaw gets impregnated with a squamous little horror which she then births in an autodoc to much blood being thrown about by its flagellum. I'd say you needn't worry.
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April 8, 2012, 2:11 a.m. CST
There's also a lot of tentacle monsters, including one going in someone's suit and then what looks like a sea monkey from hell in a guy's eye
by reflecto
And I think Logan Marshall-Green may give Noomi Rapace the monster by banging her. So yeah
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What's with this giant fucking head...I feel like I'm taking crazy Ampules!
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...but instead was given a glowing piece of turd, and is sentenced to be punished by Geeks pecking at his huge regenerating liver for an eternity. btw inexplicable nuclear balls, I thank you for the compliment. (btw note to Harry, what I wrote earlier wasn't real...except the part about the Space Jockey's...that's 100% true). Mind you, there's much to be said for fan-fiction and fake scripts; even in the most brain-dead Transformers fan-fiction, no one was dumb enough to have Optimus Prime say "we will kill them all", even 4 year olds didn't write that.
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Good lord, this site sucks. I absolutely love coming here to reaffirm my disgust for everything self-described as "geek."
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It's as if THE DARK KNIGHT never happened, and Nolan learned nothing from making it.
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Your posts have more common-sense and integrity in them than anything I've seen on here for a long time. So kudos to you for that. The big problem here has always been that the site has become corrupted over the years as the originators like Harry have developed their own agendas. It started off as geeks on the outside posting cool news , some of which they probably shouldn't have had access to. They were outlaws , in a geeky, girly kind of way. Then they got noticed and things changed. They saw opportunities to be on the inside and you know I don't blame them for this at all. Not sure I'd be any different. But then Harry wants it both ways --He wants to be seen as the cool outsider geek spilling the beans whilst at the same time to be on the inside he has to exchange favours with the industry like shilling for absolutely shite films. Hypocrisy and agenda is written over everything this site does nowadays. Oh and it doesn't help that Harry comes across as a creepy fuck.
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I sincerely thank you for actually listening to and acknowledging our comments. Like you said, how we respond to this falls on us. Myself? I don't trust Harry as far as I could throw him anymore and I've come to terms with the fact that this has been a long time coming. As horrific as most of his prose is, I've always admired the heart behind it. However, I can't ignore that the heart has frighteningly questionable flaws. The long list of bizarre behavior over the years makes me realize that he's a man of limited morality and ethics. He's lied to us and has had a hand in destroying lives more times than I care to type. If you've followed this site for as long as I have... you know what I'm talking about. He claims to admire and love superheroes but there's nothing within his on-line personality to back this up. A superhero would own his or her mistakes.
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Hi Kids. Just here to remind you that you're not very impotant. Choppah, thin man, wynona, all you other "characters", not very important. Your views on stuff, not very important, your presence here, not very important, your departure from the site, not important. Nothing of any worth was lost. Your contribution to the site consists of having a name that is vaguely recognised by maybe 2% of AICN audience and considered useful, interesting or an important aspect of the AICN community by about 2% of them. If you leave you will be replaced. You are not very important. 98% of the people who read this site don't even bother reading the talk backs, I know I didn't for years. You contribute very little to the success of the site. Your sense of entitlement is sickening partially because this is a free site but mainly because you seem to think you matter. You don't. In fact you matter less than the thousands of "unknown" posters simply because they make up the bulk of the audience and don't distract from the site with their endless self important waffle. That's what it is btw. Waffle. No one comes to AICN to read what the thin man thinks about harrys weight or to see what recently got "chopped" It's utterly irrelevant. You are utterly irrelevant. Get over yourselves. -Chopped-
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Absolute truth. So many of you whining, self important little brats contribute nothing and yet expect everything. You are selfish, ungrateful and don't deserve what these guys do. You get all this for freem might I add. No one pays to visit this site, unlike Variety or Screen Daily. And yet you wet your beds in rage when something goes wrong.
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OH MY HUBRIS HO-LEE SHIIIIIIT etc. I hate blackberrys
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This is like the time everyone fell for the Cox-Holm thing Harry scripted, causing mild choas in the process... ... Is this Harry reaching a new level of satire upon such an issue? Cause that's pretty feckin funny to me if he is. Dunno, but if he reall isn't mincing the old satire as performance... well at least he's not going all bullish psycho baby aggressor and smashing up his room and lashing out in impotent rage because he so blatently got fooled and exposed his brain and soul as being that of the lovechild of Karl Pilkington, and one of those irritating leg humping hulk poodles that never got over being a steiner school reject because they never grew up and realised it sucks ass like everyone else and just seriously inhibits your learning range and patterns... Unlike some people I know in real life, and to an extent on these talkbacks. Anyway, if someone really had the goods and the contacts for you (in about a half an hour!) would you really want it laid bare for you and everything spoiled in advance? Put the horny irritating leg humping poodle away, sit back and enjoy a mostly spoiler free Jockey + movie in the Alienverse by Ridley Scott. Chill the fuck out. Just Harry, please tell me you didn't genuinely buy that script...
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April 8, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST
No one comes to AICN to read what the thin man thinks about harrys weight or to see what recently got "chopped"
by tomdolan04
You're totally right cptblood, we come for the insightful in-depth well thought out articles like the one above. <p> Would AICN fold if the regulars, myself included, left? Nope. Not once has that been said. However if it weren't for the TB's this site would lose one of it's USP's because, which is kinda the point of the contention, the sourcing and quality of 'Cool News' on this site is becoming something of an internet joke exemplified by this 'script review'. It is a good place for hanging out and sharing opinions / views and having a laugh with like-minded people. <p> The whole 'it's free / if you don't like it don't come argument' is pointless. We do like it. You must like it to an extent. We don't want it to become a mockery and there's nothing wrong with offering views on what Harry posted. Sure you'll get dicks anywhere ranting useless abuse but there has been some constructive feedback above about what people would like to see since it's been debunked and mainly they are from the people who have been around a while. <p> Harry can and will do with this as he wants and that won't change. Saying 'you're all irrelevant' though from a business angle is a bit short sighted and that won't change however you pull statistics out of you're ass to make it sound like you know what you're talking about. <p> 98% of people agree.
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how he saw star wars phantom menace before any one else...
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AICN TalkBacks are now regarded by many people on the internet was being a complete and utter joke, frequented by the very type of people the media mock as "geeks" and consisting mostly of inane comments that do nothing. cptblood is completely right - the people he mentions hurt geekdom. Their actions and statements paint us as frothing at the mouth, sarcastic and overly-cynical morons who demand all for free.
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April 8, 2012, 9:29 a.m. CST
. Because that means I'm completely pure for this film then! And that would be fantastic too.
by Nick
WHY NOT KEEP IT THAT WAY, AND NOT LOOK AT SCRIPTS EARLY. JESUS CHRIST, THIS SITE IS GETTING WORSE EVERYTIME HE WRITES AN ARTICLE.
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Then WHY, in god's name, do you come here????
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April 8, 2012, 9:39 a.m. CST
REREAD MY FIRST POST, SMINKYPINKY. READING IS GOOD FOR YOU... DO IT BEFORE ASKING A DUMB QUESTION
by Nick
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i think the planet that prometheus focuses on is a different one to alien. in the shots of the ship used in the prometheus trailers. the ship is upwards vertical. but the ship in alien where we meet see the space jockey in the chair for the first time. that ship is almost horizontal. in a diagonal way.
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April 8, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST
I have actually read the script... and the one spoiler I will tell you
by Nick
There is MORE then ONE alien ship. Everything in the trailer, happens BEFORE the half way mark. Think back to Alien. Those eggs, were BELOW the ship, as in... NOT APART OF THE DERILECT SHIP. Also, the film is about Terraforming. As in... planets (turning them from a lush planet, to one that is nightmarish), and also, LIVING BEINGS. Changing them from one thing.... to another.
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happen to be working for a company that is involved in a creating "something" for a certain franchise... Fox granted us a look at the "script" for the purpose of matching certain elements we are "creating" to what Prometheus is "Creating". Say what you want, but when it comes to this, Fox wants to try and keep some consistency between products... specially those that they consider relevant to the story.
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...Aliens Colonial Marines, by any chance...
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Oh, get the fuck over yourself. If anything, it's hyper-earnest, humorless twats like you that give geeks a bad name. Well, that, and the name *geek,* which is bad. But I like it, so fuck off already. Anyway, for your penance, say 10 Our CHOPPAHs, five Hail Asis and one Hail, Horny Vader.
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May your baskets be full of chocolate.
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This is the fun of fandom. Harry is just an excited geek like one of us. I think it's awesome that we live in an age where we can argue and get all nerdy over a movie coming out, including with the writers, directors, etc. You guys are going to hate a guy personally because he loves all the same stuff we do, just because he gets over excited and wants to share something? Seriously? Even if it wasn't legit (and I read it and thought it was transcribed from a real source by someone with poor english), do you really think Harry would knowingly put his ass on the line over a fake? I come to this site, not for the "journalistic integrity." These guys are just geeks like us we get to yammer with and gossip about what we love/hate in the world of geekdom. It's not CNN.
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Choppah chops Pinky seven seconds into the first round. Thrown in the area with no skills. Poor kid. He died swiftly though.
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It's Easter, a day for mercy. Anything more would have been cruel.
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I have a walk-on cameo? Insane. I'm gonna do things with that role that have NEVER been seen before!
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April 8, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST
Confirmed: Terrorist Organization Trained on US Soil by US Military
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
www.infowars.com
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Know why I came to the talkback ? to see if anyone had anything interesting to say about prometheus. Funnily enough, in these talk backs you can often find interesting and informative posts about the actual article. Know what I found. You. You, you, you, you, you, talking about shit I don't care about. You talked so much of it, you've actually broken the scroll bar, making it harder to scan the talkback, making it less likely I'll check back, meaning less hits to the site meaning that if anyone has contributed to "destroying the community" it's you. I'm glad you've found something fulfilling in your life, I'm sorry that it amounts to being a vaguely recognizable name hidden in the depths of a vast web site that produces so much content your comments ( even when you spam a hundred of them ) have a life span of approximately ten seconds and almost no relevance to its existence but for the love of god please stop. You are boring. The only people who think what you have to say is important is the tiny deluded minority that think this is some sort of social hang out. It's not. And if it was, you're the equivalent of the sad 40 yearold fucker who sits in the corner of the pub thinking he owns the place because he's been coming here long enough for everyone to recognise he's a functioning alcoholic. Go home. Go out! get an actual life. Stop fucking up the talkbacks.
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-In times of trouble leniency becomes crime- But you're right, it's Easter. You've done great honor to The Code. Now back to Alien Eggs hunting.
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I'm probably being dumb, but have you actually read the script, or are you attempting some kind of parody?
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http://i.imgur.com/JQean.jpg
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April 8, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST
Kinda funny that cptblood goes on at length how little the individual readers matter here relative to their entitlement
by RulingRing
and then proceeds to emote about the importance of withholding his august personality from the talkback.
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" PEOPLE COME HERE FOR THE TALKBACK... NOT FOR HARRY... NOT FOR THE ARTICLES.... BANNING PEOPLE ON HERE, WILL BE THE DEMISE OF THIS SITE. IT'S THE ONLY THING THIS SITE HAS. " You really need to change that to " Only cetain kinds of people come here for the talkback ".
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Well you're right about someone having dellusions of granduer.
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Yeah, Zeus! As in, father of Apollo? Mt. Olympus? Don't fuck with me or I'll shove a lightning bolt up your ass? Zeus! You got a problem with that?
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April 8, 2012, 1:18 p.m. CST
YOU MORONS IT'S NOT FAKE; THE MISSPELLES COMES FROM THE TEXT BEING SCANNED THEN RUN THRU A CHARACTER RECOGNITION SOFTWARE
by theplant
You guys have no imagination. You are the dumbest audience ever.
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April 8, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST
Let me know your opinions on going to the cinema...
by Watch Withweeman
Fill out my survey for good karma. I assure you, that at some point in the near, or far, future, you will find some money as a result of this kind action https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/yourcinemaexperience
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Others have expressed that possibility about 1000 Posts up. We're not all morons on here, just the ones he keep calling for Harry to apologise to them personally. Moderation clearly needs to be alot tougher on here with alot more people getting banned. The mob are fickle and have demonstrated that they cannnot govern themselves. A dictatorship is necessary, to thin the heard.
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If I took AICN hostage this would be my list of demands: 1. Fix talkbacks so you can use quotation marks without your post getting partly deleted when you post it. I don't care about the edit feature, it's unnecessary. 2. A few more reviews from Harry. Even though Harry's taste in films is erratic and unpredictable, I still enjoy reading his reviews and the ensuing talkback. 3. Photo references in articles. Other sites have pictures and videos in their articles. If you are reporting on an actor or director there should be a photo of them in the article. The bare-bones design of this site has it's charm but there should at least be some minor improvements.
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Weyland may first have tested on a rabbit. The plot thickens.
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A good "search" feature would not hurt either....
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Some of the funniest things I've read have been in the bile spewed in these talkbacks. There are issues --nobody outside of the Doctor Who talk-backs seems to listen to a word that other talk-backers say -- it is indeed mostly about a million voices talking at once over each other. But the reality is that the talk-backs are, in my opinion, the best thing on this site. The main articles are usually self aggrandising or arse-licking nonsense and the talk-backs for all their faults bring some much needed balance to that bilge.
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April 8, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST
SOMETHING IRREPLACEABLE HAS BEEN TAKEN FROM ME! [SLAMS FIST]
by FlickaPoo
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April 8, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST
in the talkback it always ends up being about the director
by emeraldboy
not in this case. obviously. but there are names which are brought up again and again. and one name in particular to the point of boredom. hint this guy created lost and directed super 8. we all know who he is. there is another director who makes big budget, loud dumb, action spectaculars. his recent movies are about a warring race of robots who have brought their battle to earth. transformers has clearly influenced Battleship the movie. which is about an alien invasion. talkbackers dont seem to like bay much. In any decent review, reviewers never critic the director. the critic the movie. that is the whole point of a film critic. harry knowles is the worst reviewer of films that I ever read. He never critiques movies and is not capable of doing so. the only film he ever lambasted was rollerball and he was right. fox has had it in for him ever since. harry knowles became a player when this sites name started to appear on posters.
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April 8, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST
Damn, try to stay away from Prometheus spoilers and all HELL breaks loose.
by adeceasedfan
I noticed the change in Harry's original post which I had skimmed and decided to keep away. What the fuck happened? After reading this novel sized talkback of accusations, rants, deleted posts I am surprised it is still up if it weren't for all the outside attention it's getting. And Harry this is NOT the kind of attention you need to get youtube hits. I enjoyed the video for what it was, but let it grow by it's own merit not by some cheap stunt, if that is what you did, I hope not. I'm not going to beat a dead horse because it has been beaten to Passion of the Christ levels. Happy Easter btw. I do want to extend a message to The Kidd though. I have given you some shit since you arrived.(some deserved, some me just being an asshole...it happens) However, I appreciated your earnest response to the tb. This accompanied by some decent posts lately will probably slow my hands to react so harshly, so quickly. As for Harry, I don't know dude. Where does it go from here? Haven't got a clue, but I haven't stopped coming here in the last decade and this debacle won't change that.
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Absolutely love the way this chap comes here and lambasts people who voice their opinion as TalkBackers and yet does so in an arch and hifalutin way VIA a talkback! Can you not see the irony in that, cptblood? So, you're opinion is more valid than ours, cptblood? Hmm... well, those people you cite.. Choppah, Winona, Thincreepy... I've read their contributions to this site previously, but oddly I haven't come across your name before. Or if I have you certainly havent made a memorable contribution. Now that is not to say you don't have a valuable contribution to make to this site. But it is ironic that you should take to task those people who have demonstrably made a contribution already. So you will doubtless forgive me if I pass on anything you chose to post anything in the future. It isnt anything personal...I just think you are utterly irrelevant. But don't worry.... I'm sure you will get over yourself.
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@johnspaihts: "Violent wind storms rage through the scenery and the wind itself has a violent, angry and unforgiven sound." Writer, kill thyself. This kind of hideousness does not occur due to character recognition software, but due to fanfic retardation.
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April 8, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST
No need for inference, azby. Both script writers have disavowed and openly derided it.
by RulingRing
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There is fucking gold in here. GOLD!
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How is one of my favorite TB'ers doin? I strongly suspect and hope that you have been pursuing your directorial passion and have been taking advantage of the casting couch perks and plowing some fine, sweet and unsuspecting paramecium ass, or human female ass - if you swing that way, but i'm here to tell ya that paramecium is finest piece of yum!
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April 8, 2012, 6:54 p.m. CST
helicoptah -there is nothing like getting your pseudopod worked over by a long cilliaed pice of paramecium ass!
by Dirk_The_Amoeba
Just makes an Amoeba quiver back to the stone age!
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April 8, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST
ringydingthing -it aint nuthin but a thang, male of female, if it got cillia it will fullfillya!
by Dirk_The_Amoeba
Don't tell me you are a homoamoebaphobe
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April 8, 2012, 7:05 p.m. CST
I was looking for, "It doesn't matter when it's Paramecium, baby!"
by RulingRing
but I'll accept it.
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April 8, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST
ringydingthing - that is so true, if i had thought of it, i would have said it baby!
by Dirk_The_Amoeba
If you like the paramecium, you might be willing to swing into the darker side and try some of the fine badonk called burnt popcorn kernel, or the even wilder elk poontang! Oh, yes the well hung amoeba has been to the dark side!
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April 8, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST
Just scanned this thang. Sum shite here and sum familiar names. Master of flung-poo and Subdueddude
by Dirk_The_Amoeba
Among others
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April 8, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST
Im still annoyed Harry reported about the supposed Sopranos "Rape Scene" That never happend
by tony
I have been a long time reader of this site going way back. I never post much, mostly because I did once and was banned. . But does anyone else remember back in 2006 I wanna say, when Sopranos had the "Gay Vito" story line going. Harry reported that there was a rape scene filmed and actors were reportedly "Grossed out on set" by how disturbing it as. I am guessing it had something to do with Vito and Medows Boyfriend. I remember watching Sopranos waiting for that scene, waiting to be disturbed, like watching a car accident. Because back then I trusted Harry. But that scene never happend and it all turned out to be bullshit. I remember we critized him and he never reported or said anything about it. Since then I never take anything he says to seriously. He is just another fanboy talking out of his ass.
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Everyone talks shit on George Lucas for re releasing Star Wars to make money. Atleast the original trilogy was great. AVATAR sucked and how many different copies have been released? about 3 or 4. And now Titanic is back. Fuck Cameron and Fuck Avatar. Remember when he "Found where Jesus lived" Then after it aired some archeologists and historians completely debunked it. Fuck him.
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Wow! Just...wow. For some reason, I can't summon the strength to properly dissect this debacle. I guess I just don't care that much anymore. Clearly, Harry was doing this for the lulz, right? Right?! Hello?!
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April 8, 2012, 9:02 p.m. CST
cptblood is AWESOME... I have never read a funny post in my life.
by Nick
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April 8, 2012, 9:02 p.m. CST
^ Until I read his post... classic classic classic. I'm saving that one to show his mom after I put my dick in her ass
by Nick
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April 8, 2012, 9:48 p.m. CST
Hey portman, noticed you no longer put any content in your posts...
by CptBlood
I presume this is because you have realised no one clicks on them so you have to put your point in the title... Nice one, you're not working hard, you're working smart. You know the last time a talkbacker was actually important ? Neil cumpston. Man, I used to check threads just in case that guy posted because I knew there would be something worth reading. Some of his funniest diatribes came out of talkback. They were so good, and so popular, some of them actually became featured articles. Compare what that guy did to what you're doing. A thousand words of carefully crafted funny vs some asshat typing "harry is fat" as a title because no ones going to bother clicking on their name. and that's the thing. You are 1000% less compelling than some guy who's schtick was wanking jokes. Nice one. Hope you're proud. Now shut the fuck up.
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April 8, 2012, 10:13 p.m. CST
*I presume this is because you have realised no one clicks on them *
by RulingRing
So how'd you figure it out?
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April 8, 2012, 10:27 p.m. CST
Cheapest Blu PROMETHEUS Script Review Ever For 24 Hours!!!!
by tomandshell
http://www.amazon.com/s/?_encoding=UTF8&tag=aintitcoolcoa-20&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325&field-keywords=prometheus%20script%20review&url=search-alias%3Dmovies-tv
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April 9, 2012, 2:06 a.m. CST
Feels like a meeting at the old folks' home around here...
by moondoggy2u
I have to admit that I'm in the same boat as fuckinamateurman. AICN is long past its prime and Harry clearly has an acute case of Idon'tgiveafuckitus. As for the captain's charge that we TB'ers have an over-inflated sense of ourselves...well, I've really only one thing to say to that: No shit! Of course we've got egos, silly. We're all a bunch of dorks who are at least moderately interested in an entertainment medium run by Egosauruses. Thise site's fair-haired and not-so-fairly countenanced lord and master is ALSO a raging egomaniacal obsessive-compulsive. And don't look now, jack, but YOU, TOO, are an egotistical, opinionated shit stain...just like the rest of us. Don't believe me? Well, Sonny Jim, just scroll back up to your previous posts. Absolutely filled to the brim with cynical, dismissive opinions presented as facts. In short, your posts read like everyone else's around here. Congratulations! You're one of us. One of us! One of us! ONE OF US!!! Finally, to Harry, Please learn to fact check, you big goon! I honestly don't know if you did indeed sit on that "script" for months or if the talkbackers are right in believing that you are lying (I think the latter SEEMS more likely), but you are still guilty of reaching too far and too fast with that script "leak." Sure, that aint such of a much. After all, even true journalistic pros have made errors like that ever since the invention of the printed word and I'm not about to get my knickers into a twist over it. But I do think your error illustrates a deeper, more pertinent problem. You seem to not be applying yourself the way you need to. Wether its fixing this site, posting more stories or, ahem, FACT CHECKING, you are definitely in the background of this website nowadays. I'm not sure if its because you are in your forties now, or because of this new video series, or if its health related. Doesnt really matter, though, I suppose, since it all adds up to one choice: either shape up or let someone else shape it up for you. And the longer you remain indecisive the more this site will go down the tubes. By the way: Hi Choppa, D. Vader, Subtitles, and all the rest! I sure hope Yackbacker comes on here for a swan song, as well.
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...really feels like this is round two of that same fundamental argument about the spirit of AICN and why the community has a love & hate relationship with the site and itself. To refresh minds: once upon a long ago, there was a website thats mission was to break news by any and all means; leaked scripts, spy reports, early viewings, torrented files, blowing the producers... it was almost like investigative journalism except by a goofy good willed bunch of film geeks. It felt real and it felt like it was subversive. Flash forward a few years and the same website had begun to take fright at studio cease & desist notices, Harry got banned from Skywalker Ranch, and up popped the glowing reviews for truly awful movies... Phantom Menace being accounted for as a rush of blood after long privation. Armeggedon... not so much! Then along comes the work print for The Hulk; a misguided and simply bizarre series of choices for a movie which generated huge buzz. Drew McWeeny / Moriaty vents spleen all over the community for daring to comment or (how dare they!) review the work print. It was a fast TB'er who posted several screengrabs where he bragged about downloading screeners that blew Moriaty out-of-the-water. He never got over that one. So Harry goes and reviews a fan made script, possibly one that is quite insightful in terms of plotting, but is clearly a thousand editing cuts from a final draft. The script can't even spell Zeus consistently for more than a page. No scriptwriter (I know, I'm one) would ever want an unedited first draft to get out into the wild. The script review in itself is fine. It actually harks back to AICN more excitable, more fun, less studio managed, less advertising revenue fueled days of excess. It's the hubris shown toward the community that matters. And even if the active community is 2% or 3%, this is the hardcore that has followed this site for years. This is the hardcore that revealed Moriaty's Emperors Clothing (no not Sith robes) and has proven to be moral compass of AICN. Without this community AICN is just another movie news website to RSS. Just look at the discourse and the passion in the Docbacks to see that the moderators and contributors DO care about the community. So this is quite a moment; a tipping point where AICN and Harry personally have got to address the community for what it is: the heart and soul of the site. Keep cool, Ummphoo
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Buffy was the hugely popular show based on box office flop movie buffy the vampire slayer. This was at the height of the internet boom in the mid 1990s. before the dot com bubble burst. anyhoo. that era was called WEB 1.0 and you could do whatever you wanted and say whatever you liked. While movie studios began to look at computers to make effects and computer animation. Hollywood knew nothing about the internet and stuff. and movie studios shut down stuff like the buffy fan sites. who were leaking info about upcoming episodes. studios like fox saw the internet as a threat. but studios now see that there is a huge plus in having social media sites. fox used the internet to promote sex in the city. Women love shopping and here was a movie at least which promoted shopping. and social media was used to promote the movie. people outside the target audience hated the movie. Harry is a digital luddite. he has refused to go with the digital flow. his site has remained stuck in the past. he tried and failed to remodel this site on facebook. and that lasted all of 6 seconds. There are people who dont want an edit button on this site. someone put up and headline about woody allens new film. and didnt take long for that thread to become toxic. there is stuff that is appropriate and stuff that isnt and cracking jokes about the holocaust aint funny. know that harry has joined youtube. he should be prepared for verbal shit that will be thrown in his direction. lots of bile......
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......its not really been relevant since the mid 2000's when the hollywood studios finally discovered how to make the internet work for them not against! Eversince the studios have controlled the flow of info quite tightly its very rare for any real scoops to be made public unless the studio marketing machine wish it. AICN is obviously in terminal decline due to this it has nothing left material wise & no-one is talented enough to make it at least entertaining. Nikki Finke is the only person who does get accurate scoops nowadays AICN is really just another place like Imdb to talk about movies after they are released but its obviously also a studio controlled environment & seeded with a massive amount of studio plants posing as TBers.............. watch them crawl out of their caves when Battleship comes out!!
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automatically assume that one is a plant?
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April 9, 2012, 8 a.m. CST
I like how these sorts of talkbacks always turn into fucked up little family reunions.
by FlickaPoo
It warms my cockles.
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on aicn.. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahah.....
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That is NOT for a movie of this scope. What kind of moron are you?
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Is Harry: •STUPID •INSANE •A WHORE Discuss. Let's find the answer by lunch time today.
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Is that Cam took the creature and made him insect-like. Hardly the thinking, cunning critter from the first flick. Of course you could say since there were an entire hive, they go with the herd mentality. Also, why did the Queen need to exist? Sure its great battle with Ripley, but why does it need to dump eggs in a host when she was spitting out the eggs. Other than that and Paul Riser, it's aces and haters can eat it.
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the queen is necessary in the cycle. The lifespan of the xenomorph is basically two tiers. The queens sole purpose is that it creates the eggs that enclose the facehugger. The facehugger then hatches and attaches itself to a host. It impregnates the host and in a variable amount of time, the xenomorph we all know and love is born violently. There is cause for concern that Cameron's version of the lifecycle is inconsistent with Scott's and that it is non-canon. I disagree considering the only contradicting detail was inserted in the 2003 DC of ALIEN. Cameron took the sparse details known about the alien and expanded brilliantly upon it. He (over)explained it down to a science, giving it much more credibility in the process IMO. Your opinion of the insect like mentality of the ALIENs is unwarranted too..they were a swarm but also somewhat intelligent. The deleted sentry gun scene shows this, as does the 'power cutting' scene in Cameron's film.. Another explanation of their intelligence could be they are only as smart as their host. the one in the first film could have contracted some of Kane's intelligence. Just as the ones int he second film couldve impregnated various types of beings (they obviously all werent born from colonists) hence their intelligence. im reading too much into this, but i bet lv_426 could explain it better.
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April 9, 2012, 10:13 a.m. CST
billythekid, that's HORSESHIT and you FUCKING KNOW IT!
by Jaster Mareel
There's =no pleasing= AICN talkbackers? Well for one thing, notice how had to quote you? Yeah, why don't you fucking GET ON THAT! Also, have we not been asking for an edit button, oh I don't know...FOR FUCKING EVER? But to the issue at hand, we want AICN they way IT WAS! That means, REAL scoops, REAL news, not made up bullshit or pouncing on fake shit without checking anything out, as Harry has done time and time and time and time again. Also, do you think maybe it would be possible to ahve somebody EDIT THE ARTICLES? You know, so they MAKE FUCKING SENSE? I don't know, is that asking too much? As for you whole whiney bullshit about some talkbackers want spoilers and some don't, again, this was handled PERFECTLY back in the fucking day. INVISO-TEXT MOTHER FUCKERS! HELLLLOOOOOOOO! What the fuck happened to the goddamned inviso-text. It was genious. It was perfect. People could read or not read however much they wanted. And talkbackers all handled the material respectfully of others. By the way, would it kill you to give us an inviso-text feature in the talkbacks? You know, like many other forums do? So is the =no pleasing= AICN talkbackers? BULLSHIT! You know it. I know it. Now quit your fucking whining and get that tubby bastard to fix this fucking site!
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April 9, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST
Billy, you've got to understand...Harry was OUR CHAMPION!
by Jaster Mareel
He was the fan that MADE IT! He was ON THE FUCKING SET of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and fucking John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars! He was there with Quentin Tarantino on the set of Kill Bill! We were CHEERING HIM ON! He was giving us AMAZING inside information into how films were created, and we loved him for it! And now we're told over and over how awesome The Human Centipede 2 is. See the difference? Yeah.
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Boy, you talkbackers are really getting your panties in a bunch about this, huh. This site doesn't owe you anything. Sure, your clicks bring revenue, but if you don't like AICN, you don't have to visit. You say that the only good thing about this site is the talkbacks. If that's the case, you should be happy that Harry made such a fuck up, because it gives you something to talk about. If you want scoops and news, there are a million other sites out there you can visit. You guys are taking this as seriously as office politics or something. It's just the internet.
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Remember Harry's "There and Back Again" articles at the turn of the century? That pleased pretty much everyone as I recall (and then some). Too bad *that* Harry is long gone... Also, many of Quint's articles get nearly universal TB praise. For the most part, TBers collectively know quality when they see it.
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I really hate that all of a TBers posts get deleted when they are banned. It fucks up the flow of a talkback. If there is a really offensive post or something, it seems like it would be sufficient just to delete that one post.
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It makes sense biologically, as an alternating generations type of reproductive approach, similar to what is seen in plants. The facehuggers would be the diploid stage produced through sexual recombination, and would implant haploid spores into host organisms, which would develop into the large aliens, which could mate to produce more facehuggers. The idea of humans being morphed into eggs as shown in the ALIEN director’s cut just seems sort of silly and unnecessary to me, as it requires two host organisms per life cycle. Besides, the queen alien is really bad ass and scary.
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They either kill to protect or bring back hosts for facehugging.. they are a main component to propagate the species and ensure its survival thru growth as well as protection of the queen
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April 9, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST
Cameron's version is thought out and has a basis of reality
by Robert Evans
Scott's--not so much.
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April 9, 2012, 11:10 a.m. CST
Cameron's version is thought out and has a basis of reality
by tomdolan04
Scott's - not so much. One may say it's...an Alien reality to us. <p> Cue Dramatic Chipmunk theme ;)
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When I meant lack of analysis... I was talkin about Harry knowles... calling me shit for brains. very bright that.... not for all you know I might have 6 degrees...
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oh and Irish Dj and movie Critic agrees that people think too deeply about films. and he called Mark Kermode an idiot. on radio once. although not to Kermodes face.
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in alien. felt it took mystery out of the movie.
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April 9, 2012, 11:31 a.m. CST
The Aliens version of the "alien" life cycle is not alien enough.
by Ironhelix
Aliens is a fucking FANTASTIC movie (don't make me tell the story about how my dad took me and my friends to see it on my 11th birthday) however, I like the life cycle from the first movie better. It's bizarre and horrifying, and more ALIEN.
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and they are all up on youtube. and the there is one scene. which made me want to shit myself. it practically screams get the fuck out of there right know. nostromo.
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When I first saw alien. I didnt get the hype. Aliens blew my fucking mind. apart. its one of my fave films and one of the greatest sequels of all time. with alien its the face hugger scene that people think about and go is there somehing more meaningful here. the rest of the movie is hack and slash monster movie.
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April 9, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST
An alien drone will convert organisms into eggs on a one for one basis
by RulingRing
until one of facehuggers from those eggs generates a queen. Simple way to reconcile to the two reproductive modes and gives the alien a more robust propagation model as well.
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...to work, at least based on social insects native to our planet. And yes, I am relieved to post something not related to the meta-fest above, not that I'm diminishing its importance. If its important to a poster its important to the poster and that is that. Sorry, Cptblood, I do remember you posting before, but only in the midst of kerfuffles like this one, and always in smug and venomous defense of the site. I admire your loyalty but the way in which you express it has always been more toxic than helpful. Now on to doing what I do when I post here, which is to be an over-educated, half-bright dilettante. It is not uncommon for worker ants to lay eggs. These eggs, which are generally unfertilized, are usually eaten by other worker ants and the worker who has laid them is then chastised by other ants in the colony. In termites, where there is an even more freewheeling reproductive cycle than in ants, inter caste Termopsidae are a relatively common phenomena. So, assuming that the alien reproductive and social structure mirrors to some degree that of our own social insects (argued for by both the hive structure and 'queen' ant in the second film) it would follow that the workers/warriors/foragers are all biologically female. Therefore it would follow that they are all theoretically capable of laying eggs. Now in most cases (not all; reproduction in the world of arthropods is pretty come as you are) these eggs would be unfertilized and therefore incapable of producing new members of the species (and yeah, it's the second part of this statement that contains the not all; like I said, come as you are). However, assuming that the Alien is not capable of this sort of biological cloning it would need something to 'fertilize' the biological material it has produced. Hence the fate of Dallas and the morphing of the Alien alien's biological material into the fertilized egg. Because of this the deleted scene from Alien would not necessarily contradict the 'queen' seen in Aliens. Both would be part of the survival strategy for the species.
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IDEA EVER.RIDLEY HAS LOST IT.FACT.
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creepy, pant shitting deleted scene... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_VnoLyrfdY
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April 9, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST
The alien life cycle being like that of terrestrial insects is exactly what I don't like about it.
by Ironhelix
Never understood the fascination of trying to explain the whole thing in terms of some existing life form. Aliens would be alien, and save some things like binocular vision or other problems that might have only one evolutionary solution, they would be wholly ALIEN. Thus, I find the life cycle from the first film to be more frightening.
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http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2010/08/bug-hunt.html
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Yes, i saw ALIENS first like you and was captivated by it. ALIEN, on the other hand, is a masterful take on the monster film. I noticed the last time i watched it that it takes an hour before the suspenseful stuff even begins. Prior to that, its a character driven story and are fully invested inthe fate of the crew when they start getting offed.
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April 9, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST
=The Aliens version of the "alien" life cycle is not alien enough.=
by KilliK
BUT THE ALIEN SPECIES CREATED THROUGH ACCIDENTAL BIO-ENGINEERING BY HUMANS USING THEIR DNA,IS MORE ALIEN? If this is what is going to happen in the movie,if this is how Ridley explains the origin of the Alien species then you fucks who cricitize Aliens for not being enough "ALIEN" because of the more familiar Queen concept,you should crucify Ridley for this blapsemy.Because it completely removes the Alien-ness from the Alien species. GOT IT?
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...whether a reproductive cycle that requires a living host for each egg is practical for a social insect is another question entirely. But there's enough wiggle room there (ant herding, cannibalism and extrapolating on the reproductive cycles of some wasps) that I prefer not to let it bother me. And its. Not once but twice in a row. I don't want an edit feature (they've always struck me as a bit dishonest), but damn.
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LIKE SOME SPACE JOCKEY FLUSHING HIS TOILET.FACT.
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Thanks! I hadn't thought of it that way...
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...the life cycle we see in the deleted scene is not alien. Cordyceps, now there is a species with an alien and terrifying life cycle. And it lives right here. You should look it up.
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April 9, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST
They each stand at the head of the list in their respective genres.
by RulingRing
I don't get the hate.
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as is, the Alien lifecycle in the theatrical cut of ALIEN and the lifecycle Cameron concocted for ALIENS work quite well. If something is added in PROMETHEUS that contradicts ALIENS origins after 20 years, Im sorry, but if i have to choose one or the other for the franchise to make sense--i'll take the ALIEN-ALIENS-ALIEN³ canon over the retcon of PROMETHEUS.
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Whatever happened to spotlighting forgotten flicks? Have a section dedicated to Hammer Horror.... Gimme a chance, i tells ya...
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is the design by Giger. especially the scene with the space jockey, which is..if not the greatest piece of set design in modern cinema. truly out of this world, creepy. that ii and there is the quietness of the opening scene... there is very little music, when kane and company go down to the ship. what makes alien so great though is the acting by john hurt and the scene of his demise is one of the finest pieces acting really. its all acting that scene. even down to the twitching. and that scene when the alien looks at the crew before picking them off over the duration of the film. rest of the cast are great even Ian Holm is great in it Alien is a masterpiece of design, acting and atmosphere and editing. aliens is of one the greatest sequels of all time. really superb. There were bits of Alien 3 I liked. I hated Alien Resurrection. with a passion. i thought it was loathsome. and really could not bear to watch it. It was a digusting movie to watch. in the cinema. vile
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...and so, in a different way, is Aliens. And strangely enough, I agree with most of what Creepy wrote in defense of Aliens, though I could scarcely disagree more with how he framed it against the original. But there are no moments in Alien that make me grit my teeth, and there are a few in Aliens (illegal alien...Arcturian poontang), anachronistic and goofy throwaway lines that break the reality of the film. When I first saw Aliens I was disappointed with the queen. It's such a common trope to create a king cockroach and it nearly always diminishes the horror of the threat being portrayed. Imagine Invasion of the Body Snatchers with a King Pod or Night of the Living Dead with a First Zombie. But in Aliens it worked, both dramatically and thematically and if it did steal a great deal of the mystery from the Alien it did so as part of the construction of a fine film. My point is that it does not rule out other possibilities. If creatures on earth are capable of mapping out multiple strategies for species survival then certainly a creature that, however originated, seems to have been constructed for the sole purpose of species survival could be reasonably expected to have done so as well.
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JESUS H CHRIST ALL MIGHTY !!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuKjBIBBAL8 how comes nobody did a horror movie with that thing?
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Last of Us from NaughtyDogs,the production company of Uncharterd.
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...told you. Quite the monster, isn't it?
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EVEN Ian Holm? Explain yourself, Emerald. Holm is one of the best in the business and is personally my favorite living actor.
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One of the best ensembles ever. Great acting from every one. But Kotto/Parker is a rock. Love how his character evolves from someone who hates everything into someone who wants to be the hero. Wish Prometheus was really about Brett and Parker: The Early Years.
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two Bett and Parker like characters in Prometheus.It has been confirmed by the cast/Ridley.
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Same thing I was screaming. Too bad Ash had other plans.
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April 9, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST
Parker's idea would have delivered the alien into the company's hands
by RulingRing
Ash should have listened.
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Someone's gotta lay all those facehugger eggs (facehuggers do not come out of people). Facehuggers mostly just implant drones in people, but every once in a while, a queen will bust out of someone's chest, lay more eggs. I think Cameron's approach was the natural way to go.
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April 9, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST
I think Parker wouldve made it to the lifepod if it wasnt for Lambert.
by Robert Evans
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April 9, 2012, 1:18 p.m. CST
rulingring, yep, and probably no one except John Hurt would've died
by Mattman
Since no one would be the wiser about what was inside him. The company could just say, "Sorry, your friend died in surgery." End of story. I think Ash's curiosity got the better of him.
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But apparently, the DC of ALIEN made it explicit that facehuggers do come out of people... the more i think about it..
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April 9, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST
choppah, yeah... Ridley says the theatrical ALIEN is his definitive cut
by Mattman
So Cameron was right to follow that and not the DC.
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The frozen Kane wouldnt have passed past the ICC quarantine,when the Nostromo arrived at Earth. Unless Ash sabotaged the cryopods and killed the whole crew during the flight and then arranged for the Company to get the frozen body without ICC knowing.
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I heard Kotto spent the whole production trying to convince the producers to let him survive.
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i always was curious about that.
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Maybe Ash didn't want to take a chance on freezing Kain until he was implanted with the embryo... since (again, maybe) the freezing process might kill the face-hugger or stop the process. So he let the face-hugger "do its thing." But then Kain wakes up and Kain mis-calculates that Kain would burst so soon before going into cryo-freeze (during their "last meal.") Just a dopey theory of mine. Not saying it's correct. Anyone..?
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if Ash's orders were to bring an alien lifeform back, then there must have been a loophole or a backdoor to get it past..
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April 9, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST
Mostly been gone for awhile...just making sure this thing still works...
by conspiracy
Fuck...looks like I missed one HELL of a shit storm here.
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April 9, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST
in hindsight..i recommend watching Ash and his reactions in ALIEN
by Robert Evans
Knowing what happens, Holm plays it perfectly and you can see subtle hints (glances and 'helpful suggestions') that hes privy to whats up and even convinces and withholds info/actions at the expense of the crew.
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Yeah, sounds probable. I think the company wants the alien brought back 'in gestation' (not running around the ship.) That's not part of the plan.
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April 9, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST
Agreed, Choppa. Holm is masterful in the film and he does indeed provide subtleties.
by Astronut
Great, GREAT performance. Probably my favorite actor in the film. All the little details like the jogging in place, the stuttering/hesitating with some of the dialog, the finger waving, the pure joy he is experiencing, knowing that the life form will soon be brought back to the ship. WOW. Always loved his performance. During every one of my 50, 60+ viewings.
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April 9, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST
Thanks, reni. Yeah, I don't know for sure, it just seems to fit as a plausible explanation.
by Astronut
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April 9, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST
Hey.....HEY!!! You people are losing your focus! Can we get back to bashing Harry please!
by Jaster Mareel
Christ! All this talk about movies is pissing me off! Now...we were right in the middle of thinking up new names to call Harry and going over ad nauseum how he has fucked up everything everywhere.....
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in alien are great. there are no exceptions. Ian holm is one the greatest actors of his generation. I should say Sir Ian Holm...
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April 9, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST
I knew what the ending of that fake script would be before reading it!
by theyreflockingthisway
I'm trying to remain spoiler free for Prometheus but I couldn't resist checking the end of that script to see if it used the most predictable ending a fan script could use. I knew, without doubt, it'd end on the derelict ship where you see a glimpse of the alien before the credits. Such an AVP style ending, that surely would have given it away as a fake. I'm pretty sure the Alien won't even be in it at all, never mind to just set up for a movie we've already all seen. I expect the ending to Prometheus will be something that raises questions, not a "set-up" to the film that comes after it. We're not watching this film as a prequel, but rather delve into the story of the space jockey and explore the mysteries of that species. Whenever I watch Alien, the derelict is the most fascinating part of the movie - you almost with Kane didn't discover the alien eggs so soon so they'd explore more of it. This is what this film is - we have four films of the alien already (and two pieces of filmed AVP fan fiction) so let's forget about it and go another direction.
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...and would be great (in a horrible kind of way) for a new Zombie movie; where the living are directed like the ants before the becoming set decoration! Awesome find. Right, I better start writing the script! Keep cool, Ummphoo
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... I'm just saying I particularly enjoy Ian Holm's acting in the film. Not saying anyone else is anything below 5-star caliber.
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April 9, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST
= Whenever I watch Alien, the derelict is the most fascinating part of the movie = AGREED. 127% AGREED!!!
by Astronut
From the moment Kain's jettisoned body tumbles and fades out into space, for me, the movie falls to a slightly-better-than-average "run away from the monster" movie. It is the fascinating exploration, the sheer ELECTRIFYING LEVEL of anticipation and awe during the journey to and inside the Derelict — that I find unbeatable by any other sci-fi film ever made. ANY. Can't be done. And that includes, I am willing to bet, PROMETHEUS. As much as I hope I am wrong in that statement, I don't expect this new one to come close. But it will be awesome, I think, on different levels. Just... god, I hope Ridley fascinates us and we haven't seen too much already.
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Alien-sque experience of the unknown that you so fondly seek.Do you know why? i will give you a hint: LASER SCANNING DRONES do you understand where i am getting to? compare the scene from the P trailer where they send their cool flying gadgets to scan the interior of the Temple as part of their exploration procedure,to the sequence in ALIEN where they put their spacesuits,get out in the alien planet and explore in person for the first time the Derelict. Think about it,think how they have approached the original movie,think how they have approached they new movie and tell me if you still believe that you re going to get the same experience from P.
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From the moment Kain's jettisoned body tumbles and fades out into space, for me, the movie falls to a slightly-better-than-average "run away from the monster" movie.
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Come on now. I wouldn't want to be the young couple sitting in front of me during Prometheus because I'm going to spray my seed all over the fucking place. You ever see a video of a chick that can squirt like a fucking fire hose? Yeah.
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could not agree more. Same is true with the last 20 minutes of Blade Runner. Scott was not the best action director in the 80's but he was the master of mood, space and tension. After Black Hawk Down, I can not longer say he's not a great action director. Hopefully the moody Scott from the 80's can merge with his new found action skills for Prometheus.
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April 9, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST
As for ALIEN and the Nostromo crew, I'm not sure freezing Kane would have made a difference. The facehugger burned through his helmet, it could do the same to the freezers.
by reflecto
And as we saw in Alien 3, I believe the facehugger also burned its way through Ripley's and Newt's cryotubes, didn't it? Secreting acid? I think Parker could've made it if not for Lambert. And Yaphet Kotto did apparently antagonize Bolaji Badejo (the alien) on-set, pumping himself up for the final fight. He was apparently half-convinced he could survive the film. What a trip. Watch Alien again remembering Ridley's fascination with the androids - in Alien, Blade Runner and now Prometheus - and focus in on Ian Holm as Ash, and his narrative and his performance choices. It is fascinating. He clearly feels more of a kinship with the newborn monster than the others. He's like a violent child in some ways. That's also what I like about Alien Resurrection - Sigourney's eccentric new Ripley.
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April 9, 2012, 2:27 p.m. CST
=You ever see a video of a chick that can squirt like a fucking fire hose?=
by KilliK
FAKE.
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April 9, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST
I dont think that the P will show us how the Aliens reproduce
by KilliK
but rather how their species was created.At least that's the impression that i have until now.
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if you consider that she has sex with the aliens in the movie.
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April 9, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST
Yes, killik. I agree with what you're saying. That why I used the words = on different levels... =
by Astronut
No matter how "good" or "great" or "shitty" or whatever the case ends up being, Prometheus won't give us the same feeling ALIEN did. It is a different film. A different time. A different target demographic. And certainly a different Ridley Scott. We might not get ALIEN but maybe something just as cool? Maybe? Wouldn't you rather get a brand new, ORIGINAL PIECE OF SCI-FI out of Ridley than another pile of shit like Transformers or another RE-BOOT of something? I sure would. Oh, what if they RE-BOOTED ALIEN?! That sure as shit would be cause for alarm. I'd be freaking LIVID!!!! Here's one thing I will say. And see if you agree to a certain extent here. Give it some thought. If everything goes well, I think what we'll end up with is a really great piece of sci-fi here. It will intrigue us, scare us, show us something new, entertain us, make our eyes well up with tears and make us ponder lots of shit. Impress us to such a degree that we shit ourselves. And talk about it for hours after we walk out of the theater. Right? Maybe it's more like Mass Effect, only with added layers of suspense and terror. If everything goes RIDICULOUSLY WELL, then we end up with something TOP-SHELF. Maybe, just maybe, so great it is worthy of sitting with the likes of ALIEN and 2001. I know it's a long shot. But Ridley said over and over that Prometheus is "epic." I don't think — even at 75 years of age — Sir Ridley is going to just shit that word out and throw it around just because it sounds good. This * truly * could — COULD BE — epic. Maybe? I'd rather be positive than resign myself to the "Meh" thing. I am excited to see — no, I am excited to EXPERIENCE — what we get on June 8th...
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The whole story was shit though.
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Well, at the very least, we'll definitely be seeing more exploration of it. That scene where they're lowering Kane into the egg chamber and you can see for absolutely miles down this never ending cave is one of my favourite moments. You see the space jockey and think "what the hell is that? How could such a thing even exist? How did this thing even fly?" It's just too alien to comprehend - such a brilliant design. However that egg chamber - you just want to see what's further down that cave. After just minutes of being in there we've seen the space jockey and an egg chamber, so who knows what else we'd discover. What weirdness is out there. If Kane didn't fall amongst those eggs we may have found out. Prometheus will at least give us that. We'll get to see more of the ship and what lies beyond those corridors. There's a chance we won't be satisfied but, until then, we'll definitely enjoy the anticipation, which is why I know I'll enjoy the movie. As long as I know I'm watching a film with that derelict ship in again, I'm happy no matter what is discovered there this time.
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April 9, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST
*slightly-better-than-average "run away from the monster" movie.
by RulingRing
You need to see more monster movies. I found the lavishly designed interiors of the Nostromo nearly as interesting to look at as those of the derelict.