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A bts of a Special Feature for the future Blu Ray of THE DARK KNIGHT RISES!!!
Hey folks, Harry here... This is pretty damn cool. Josh Turchetta was on hand as Warner Brothers was shooting a behind the scenes special featuring all the classic Batmobiles, including Adam West's sweet fucking pimp ride Batmobile. I've seen photos of this, but man I love Josh's video showing them off!
On Friday evening, March 30th 2012, Warner Bros. shot a bonus feature segment for the "Dark Knight Rises" Blu-Ray. For the feature they gathered all 5 Batmobiles from television and movies.
I shot this footage using a Canon 5D MKII. Enjoy!
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THE DARK KNIGHT RISES is going to be awesome.
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March 31, 2012, 8:17 p.m. CST
Wow all those cars in one place personally loved the BURTON/KEATON one then the one in the Animated seires then the Tumbler!
by SachMan
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on this evening, I'm the bigger geek.
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My personal favorite is 89 Batmobile. But really every one is cool in some way..........even the campy 60's version.
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March 31, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST
Yes, the 89' version is very sweet....but the tumbler is just bad ass..
by MasterControlProgram
And kudos to Harry for only referring to himself twice in this article. It will take time to ween yourself off of yourself, but one step at a time. Small moves Ellie. -- End of Line --
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March 31, 2012, 8:34 p.m. CST
WHEN GOTHAM IS IN ASHES, YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO DIE
by HASBEER_WILLCHEET
god damn it i fucking love batman!!!!!!!!
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But wow, the '89 Batmobile is a close second. That's the only thing about Nolan's BATMAN TRILOGY that I'm a little bit disappointed in, the lack of some over the top style. I hope the next group of Batman films are somewhere in between Burton's excess and Nolan's grounded reality. I think a 40's set Noir/Cliffhanger homage Batman film would be aces. Thanks to MAD MEN, 20th Century period pieces are all the rage now, and thankfully since the 1990's to now has all seemed the same.
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Is still the best Batmobile.
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March 31, 2012, 8:40 p.m. CST
My ranking: 1) Keatonmobile 2) Westmobile 3) Balemobile 4) Kilmermobile 5) Clooneymobile
by Karl Hungus
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March 31, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST
As much as I love Nolan's Batman movies...
by KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS
The score always pales in comparison to the 89 version.
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March 31, 2012, 8:50 p.m. CST
Keaton's Batmobile is the best even though there's a jet engine that goes through the cockpit
by Mugato5150
never got that. Still, cooler than Bale's SUV and Schumacker's Gaymobiles. Yeah, everyone likes the Adam West one for the nostalgia factor.
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They have car shows there every Friday.
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1:6 scale of course courtesy of Hot Toys.
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March 31, 2012, 9:13 p.m. CST
Yeah, love how the '89 mobile couldn't even turn corners
by ThehandthatBites
Sure it looks fucking incredible. But Nolan mobile will always rule. The next series of films won't be able to touch it, therefore back to the OTT style of Burton/Schumacher shit.
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4/5 of these were made within - what? - 15 years of each other? West Batmobile only seems campier because it's the oldest. Taken on its own terms, with the time period in mind, it's actually fucking cool - with the Futura/concept car stuff in mind. It holds up better than Nolan's clunky, un-Batmanlike piece of shit will in 40 years.
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Fucking awesome. Except, is the tumbler American made or the first import? Where's Nolan's garage?
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I'm watching Batman Begins and The Dark Knight back to back this weekend. Just for the heck of it.
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That is the correct ranking. But to personally own, I go with Adam West's. For one, it was actually driven on Austin streets for that film's World Premiere here in Austin, before I was born. So it needs to be in Austin regularly.
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March 31, 2012, 9:29 p.m. CST
Keatons Batmobe is the best BECAUSE there's a jet engine that goes through the cockpit
by Clavius
Makes sense? Hell no. Bad ass anyway? Fuck yes!
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Still think that thing oozes awesome.
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That little piece is maybe my favorite from that score. Such a great great swooping fantasy feeling.
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Of course it isn't engineered in a way that makes sense for a combat vehicle, but it looks great and the Batpod (motorcycle) can't be beat for it's integration with the Tumbler.
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March 31, 2012, 9:43 p.m. CST
The Burton Batmobile is the jizz. Machine guns, escape pod, shields, bombs, hydros
by JackSlater4
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They both took a classic concept and perfectly executed it to it's best potential. TUMBLER is a fun idea, but it's a different class of vehicle from the other Batmobiles. No need to rank Bale's ride as it has its own category.
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March 31, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST
I love the Shoemaker batmobile, with the gigantic, spinning dildo mounted to the front if it. That was a he'll of wrap party, I'll tell you, whoo....
by AzulTool
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but the Tumbler is the least interesting of all the Batmobiles, visually speaking. In the mythology it may have come first, but I really like the later generation designs.
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Just like his movies.
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and it makes the most sense in the nolanverse. however the keatonmobile is the batmobile oof my childhood. i guess id say the tumbler is better now because a) it actually drives well b) it doesnt look like plastic c) it doesnt look like a penis d) he didnt punch through the floor like in batman returns (what the fuck was that about?) e) oh i cant stay mad at you keatonmobile, come here baby, we gon make sweet 1989 style love
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March 31, 2012, 10 p.m. CST
Schumachers looked shitty on their own but next to the greats..
by alienindisguise
they look like fucking clown cars. What garbage!
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March 31, 2012, 10:02 p.m. CST
Too bad they couldn't get a real-life version of the B:TAS Batmobile design.
by hank henshaw
That's the best Batmobile
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http://www.nationalledger.com/pop-culture-news/movie-news-liam-neeson-confirmed-206721.shtml or this... http://www.hitfix.com/articles/just-like-hitfix-told-you-liam-neeson-confirmed-for-the-dark-knight-rises OooooWheeee! What up wit dat! What up wit dat! OooooWheeee! What up wit dat! What's up with that!
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Even though I am partial to Nolan's more "grounded" take, the '89 just combines the elements of "over-the-top camp" with "still looking semi-practical and badass". And yes, the nonsensical jet engine is an awesome idea.
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I drove by Bob's Big Boy where this was taking place in Burbank, but I couldn't see the various Batmobiles for all the people. Friday nights is old car night so I figured it was something for Leno. Oops.
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Runner up is Simon Bisley's Batmobile for Batman Vs Judge Dredd.
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Everything else pales in comparison and the Schumacher versions are an abomination.
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Maybe it was the lens(es?) they used on the film, but I just always remember it being much flatter.
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This clip does less to make me gawk at the batcars than it does to remind me of just how goddamn awesome Danny Elfman's scores for the Burton batman movies were.
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March 31, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST
What's that?" "The Tumbler? Oh, you wouldn't be interested in that....
by zillabeast
The 1989 Batmobile is forever engrained in my mind as THE Batmobile. I was just 5 that summer...and vivdly recall being utterly blown away by the majesty of Burton's Batman. I grew up with that Batmobile. It is one of the quintessential vehicles of my childhood. HOWEVER, if you laid out all five sets of keys, I'm sorry, but I would have to take The Tumbler. I just re-watched the Batman Begins car chase on YouTube to confirm my inclination. Not a doubt in my mind.
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It's probably the only one that's street legal.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m3jcBMI9WU
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is more bitchin' than the Adam West batmobile. Plus, it come with a emergency tire inflator and shark repellant.
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There's gotta be more TDKR stuff coming out soon right, like another trailer or something....
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Do tell
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won one of the Burton/Keaton batmobiles (I think they made 4 or 5 for the film) back in '89 and he ended up donating it to the city's museum. The exhibit wasn't open yet the day I was there, but I found a gap in the barrier and spent a few minutes poring over it. It's low and very long and impossible to park, but ohsovery cool....
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Batman 89 tumbler looks cool but too plastic looking and stylized like a toy. Tumbler is a completely innovative design and drives like it is functional. It's the best of the bat mobiles. That said, the second best design is the badass animated series one that looks like a more functional and tougher version of the 89 one.
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Reminds me what a wasted opportunity that we never got direct sequels from the 89 film. Sure Burton's 89 film is not perfect in whole but it had some perfect moments. The score, lighting, and design are still outstanding. Batman Returns, while I have love for it, I don't really consider it a Batman film. It sort of exists as a segway from the Burtonverse. A curious marvel. Still would have been great to see what a young Fincher, or Flatliners mode Schumacher in the early 90's would have done.
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robusto, not only that but as I watch this I'm thinking about how much more iconic burton's batman is in both music and vehicle than the big clunky tonka toy that the tumbler is and as good as TDK was, batman REALLY got lost in that movie. Which I hope they fix with TDKR but still no doubt we'll get nothing close to what Elfman masterfully created here. Still would be interesting to have the theme homaged at some point in the next movie.
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...do look marginally better without being all lit up like in the films. Still garbage, though.
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Anton Furst, Elfman, and Roger Pratt's photography created lightning in bottle in Batman 89. As a kid I was blown away. Elfman's score is perfect. As is his Nightbreed, Edward Scissorhands, and numerous other score around that time. The lighting with the trees and road during that point when that piece plays is damn near perfect and made my 14 year old ass pick up a American Cinematographer mag. Batman 89 was mostly shot indoors and looks nothing like it. Batman Returns was shot indoors and it looks it. Not a knock on Czpesky (spelling) who's work I like in most of that movie. I appreciate Nolans take cause I like dry movies. I'm just surprised so many other like it. The only thing about Nolan that drives me crazy is how he leaves realism when it suites him and then comes back. I really like the TDK but it feels like it changes styles a few times in an awkward way. But Im nitpicking cause we are so lucky it exists and still better than 99% of what is out there.. Ledger was a God in that movie but Batman Begins I feel is a better Batman movie.
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Is Flatliners and Falling down is such a great resume going into a Batman film. Thats why it really hurt.
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I think the idea was that the 89 Batmobile wasn't invincible normally- it was just a supped-up car with a vulnerable underside. But that's why it had the Sheilds cocoon.
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April 1, 2012, 12:14 a.m. CST
Keaton's Batmobile is the best, and I dig the Kilmer mobile...
by cgih8r
when I look at cars I see faces and Nolan's ride doesn't have a face and lacks personality.Never understood how the tumbler could smash through walls and garbage trucks leading with its front tires.
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April 1, 2012, 12:19 a.m. CST
I would love a 1930s Batman movie, with a big-ass batmobile with a giant fin and a bat-head battering ram.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
I always liked that design. It didn't make entire sense, but it looks very cool.
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Almost there. Just have to stay alive a little bit longer!!!!
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I had no idea! That's amaze-balls.
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April 1, 2012, 12:40 a.m. CST
When you think about it, Batman is becoming a hero of the past. Batman, even a few years from now, would be like Anonymous or Wikileaks.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
The street level vigilante would be like that dumb-shit who killed Trayvon Martin. George Zimmerman was a coward. http://youtu.be/uTVl_2ENTXo
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So suck me off.
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April 1, 2012, 1:08 a.m. CST
1989 is my Favorite...but I'd wish a toy of Gigermobile that was never made:
by Zurge
http://scheme9.blogspot.com/2011/07/batmobile-by-hr-giger.html
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And that's because batman is the shit and personally the keatonmobile is by far the best batmobile ever sleek stylish and just so batman the kilmer and clooney versions are just garbage the westmobile looks awesome but I couldn't see me or anyone else driving it and being taken seriously and the tumbler (boner) just all types of manly badass so if I had to choose....I honestly don't know my heart says keatonmobile but my balls say tumbler I'd have to switch week to week lol
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1966 for the Win! For those of us who were there, Batmania ruled the land like never before or since.
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Guess this is closets I'll get, does anyone else hear the Danny Elfman theme when they see the Keatonmobile? Hope they do a Dark Knight Returns with Keaton after DKR..
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Yeah!
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April 1, 2012, 2:26 a.m. CST
"Descent Into Mystery" is an AWESOME song. Danny Elfman is going to live forever.
by Lex Luthor II
I really love that song, I think it plays when BATMAN is driving VVale to the Batcave through the forest. Super awesome. Danny Elfman is going to live forever.
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so weak a human can punch through it? come onnnnnnnnnn
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April 1, 2012, 2:37 a.m. CST
My favorite is the 30's Batmobile Alex Ross had built for him:
by Bedknobs and Boomsticks
http://tomztoyz.blogspot.com/2009/02/homemade-batmobile-1950-studebaker.html Oh, and there is a French guy who made a BTAS Batmobile: http://tomztoyz.blogspot.com/2006/08/custom-batmobile-france.html#links Nolan was inspired by the 80's comic book Batmobile which was a Lamborghini; he incorporated Lambo lines into the the Tumbler. The Tumbler is sort of shaped like a bat, as this outline demonstrates: http://www.batmobilehistory.com/beginsbat.jpg versionThis might make a cool future series Batmobile: http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/lamborghini-ankonianbatmobile-inspired-by-reventon-ar82911.html
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A piece of shit Batmobile, that Harry posted a picture of, swearing it was the Batmobile from Batman Begins? Turns out it was just some dire effort from someone who'd tried to make his own. It was beyond awful, I'll never forget it, but can never find a picture of it anywhere.
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has the best opening for comic book film ever....
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For their own good, they better not include this footage,or footage comparing any of these versions, on the Blu-Ray. All it does is show how 100% pathetically unacceptable the Tumbler is. It's a fucking joke. Great, now I'm pissed off. Screw all of you who don't daily wish Nolan dead for not only this tripe, but the absolute destruction of the franchise. It's hard to kill a franchise as deeply rooted as Batman, but for 2 movies now, and I'm sure a third soon, he has made the whole character and Batman universe a pathetic joke.
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5 batmobiles limelighting on the streets, in the immortal words of Morgan Freeman... *Oh, but you wouldn't be interested in THAT. * Things like this make me wish I was Bill Gates. Oh those cars look neato. Yep here's my checkbook. I'll take them.
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April 1, 2012, 5:15 a.m. CST
SO MUCH FUCKING WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) Love the Keaton retro design BM, but the Tumbler is a fucking BEAST!!
by cameron
Lover the little spin out of the 60's BM at the end lol! I think Anton Furst's Batmobile has that same WTF! originality of Giegers Alien, just so radical and different from what anyone expected, just timeless. But also the Tumbler is just such a departure from that - the batman movies after butron obviously just followed along the same lines as Keatons BM but Nolan went out of his way to design something new, and also if you watch the BB bluray you can see it actually works!! But they're both 'mazin'!!
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...get progressively shittier with each one, until we reach the absolute nadir of that Fumbler piece of shit. It looks like a Batmobile that ended its days in a scrapyard crusher.
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who designed the Keaton-mobile and sadly, killed himself in 1991. But what an artist Anton Furst was. Jordan, Kubrick and Burton were so lucky to work with him.
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April 1, 2012, 6:02 a.m. CST
The Batmobille from Burton's first movie and the Tumbler are the best
by AsimovLives
Both are prefectly realised for the type of Batman movies they are. the rest is just too show off-y.
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April 1, 2012, 6:07 a.m. CST
Burton's Batmobille would be a dathtrap in real life, regardles sof it's cool factor. Actually, it's a deathtrap even in the movie.
by AsimovLives
there's a scene in Burton's first Batman movie where Batman is being chased by cops, and he has to make a dramatic turn to lose his tail, and he needs to fire a grapping hook to a lappost so the car can turn. The tumbler can turn even at fast speeds, and do it for real as well.
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April 1, 2012, 6:07 a.m. CST
The idea for the Tumbler is whay if the Humvee was made by Lamborguinni.
by AsimovLives
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April 1, 2012, 6:10 a.m. CST
by aceldama: "All it does is show how 100% pathetically unacceptable the Tumbler is." Are you mad??
by AsimovLives
god fobid a filmmaker making a batmobille that actually makes sense, hem? deathtraps batmobilles are the only way to go, hem? bloody hell!
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April 1, 2012, 6:14 a.m. CST
Tumbler Batmobile is the best! Followed by the 66 Batmobile.
by MariusXe
I kinda like the Burton one too, but HATE every other one. Especially the Clooney version. What a gay ass car.
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April 1, 2012, 6:15 a.m. CST
Oh yeah, and FUCK Keatons Batman. That wimpy midget would get beat up by Danny Devito in real life.
by MariusXe
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Fast acceleration, comparatively small turning circle, could jump, and smash the fuck out of other cars. Allowing Nolan to realistically stage half-decent car chases - and don't tell me he can't film action, go back and look at the car chase sequence in Batman Begins, and compare it with any of those in the previous Batman movies. The other movie Batmobiles could just about drive in a straight line. Also, its a nice nod to the Batmobile in The Dark Knight Returns and also the one briefly seen in Swamp Thing #51 - and if you haven't read that particular comic, then hang your geek head in shame.
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I always thought it was a bit of a let-down. Tumbler FTW. Westmobile #2. Shomacher's shitty cars don't even deserve a mention, they're so fucking shitty.
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April 1, 2012, 6:37 a.m. CST
The Tumbler is cool, except in reality it isn't plush inside.
by Bedknobs and Boomsticks
Probably like riding around in a sealed giant go-kart, noise and fumes and all. Not cool about it is it is referred to as the Tumbler, never the Batmobile.
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It doesn't have to be nolan, as he's made it clear he doesn't like doing them, but get some of the cast or something, would be nice to hear their views on making the movie and the trilogy. Hell, even a commentary by some comic experts about Batman in general and talking about where this trilogy stands in relation to the other versions of the character.
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I don't know if you've read Supergods by Grant Morrison, but he writes about all the live-action Batman's including those black and white serials, his take is really interesting - I'd love to hear him do a commentary on the Nolan movies.
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Look at that thing! The entire thing says, "Stay away!" (yeah, I stole that line from Sneakers(tm)) Fuck off.
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April 1, 2012, 7:04 a.m. CST
Batman will be an alien in the Michael Bay reboot after TDKR
by Rebel Scumb
Cheap shot I know, but he earns them
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for the reasons so many have stated, each makes sense for the universe they are in I do wish though that TDKR had a new batmobile, one designed by Morgan Freeman specifically to be the batmobile (and thus a nudge or two closer stylistically to the Burton era version) and not just a piece of rejected military gear that Wayne adapted to suit his needs. I sort of figured that was why they destroyed the tumbler in TDK so as to have an excuse to create a new car and complete the origin story. I do like though that Bane appears to have a small fleet of Tumbler's at his disposal, but it would have been cool to see Batman go up against in his new wheels. I guess there's that new Batwing type vehicle for that purpose (based on the trailer footage) but still, it would have been nice to see what the design team could have come up with, if they could find something a bit more batmobilish, but at the sametime properly engineered and functional like the tumbler
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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, totally agree on all those points.
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The others won't handle for shiat. At least it could make a corner.
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OK, while I love Zimmerman, Elfman did more then accompany the movie with his music, he defined Batman.... Elfman for the win Yes, the Tumbler is badass, but it ISN'T a Fucking Batmobile!!! It was handy and filled a need. When Nolan's Batman actually designs a car to his personal specs, THEN it will be a Batmobile! My Rankings --> Keatonmobile, Westmoile, who cares after that.... Also, we can throw in the BTAS Batmobile, and personally, I think the Arkham Asylum Batmobile is BAD ASS!! I would LOVE to see a real life version of that one.
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I know people slag on Elfman but there was something cool with his Batman theme. A sense of majesty. Tim Burton is not as good/consistent with storytelling as he is with creating a visual world. His two Batman movies weren't the best thing ever but they had undeniable moments. They had potential.
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Not that it's the only mark of a quality score, but can anyone hum a tune from Zimmer's Batman score? Elfman defined Batman; don't underestimate just how far the atmosphere of that score went in lifting Batman out of the campy abyss into which he'd fallen. Plus, Batman Returns is the single best score for any Batman movie. The interlacing of the themes for the various characters in the climactic scenes is incredible. Love the Penguin theme.
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April 1, 2012, 8:12 a.m. CST
The Tumbler is the most unrealistic batmobile in the most realistic Batman movie.
by KilliK
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Whenever a TV show does a Batman spoof they just need some driving, unstoppable, unchanging soundtrack running in the background of every scene and I immediately recognize it. But I couldn't hum it at all. Elfman's scores are melodically awesome.
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April 1, 2012, 8:28 a.m. CST
Bale's. Sorry, but if given the choice to take one home...
by David Duchovny
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Out of the five cars, the Westmobile is the coolest I could drive a friend around in. And none of the other cars have emergency 'chutes for those extra-sharp turns, or a fireworks anti-theft device. And it was a car that had a GPS in the 1960s. How cool was that?!
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April 1, 2012, 9:29 a.m. CST
danny devito was very skeptical... about Burton as a filmmaker..
by emeraldboy
then he saw the sets. they have made three films together. devito was asked what he thought of tim burton and devito hailed him as a genius.
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batman returns is over stuffed with characters. but the set design is outstanding...
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http://www.batmobilehistory.com/index.php
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The tumbler is how a batmobile would exist in reality, what purpose would there be for a keaton batmobile with gigangic wing tips, and with what can only be desribed as a penis sticking out the front. The tumbler was designed for military purposes for towing bridge cablesover great lengths accross a river, it's functions all serve a purpose, it's built as a military prototype would be, and in most cases even though its a prototype there may be more than one. Even if anyone had issues with the batpod and how it came about, it came later as an addition by wayne/fox after he repurposed it as a batmobile and built in a backup escape vehicle, so again, it makes sense, none of the previous batmobiles made anywhere near as much sense.
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Zimmers works beautifully with the tone of the nolan movies though, elfmans would cheapen them, plus what zimmer did with the theme for the joker was brilliant, i's a complete introversion of the batman theme, which just perfectly plays off him being his ultimate oppositte, something not a lot of people picked up on but would not feel the same without, show me ANY part of elfman's score for the joker or even The whole of Keaton's two outings as batman. You can't.
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April 1, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST
@killik; How so? The Tumbler was built and did all of the chase scenes and jumps that weren't models, keatons BM looked good but was like the shark in jaws, it didn't work.
by cameron
Just because Nolan films on real streets instead of sets doesn't change the fact that he's making a movie about Batman; whichever way you cut it it's a fantasy movie. Besides none of the other BM cars could run over a police car and not fall apart. From an engineering point of view Nolans BM car is the most realistic of them all.
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It's the only truly functional one. I'd buy one and drive it everywhere.
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April 1, 2012, 10 a.m. CST
Does anyone else get the impression from the TDKR trailers that Bale doesn't suit up as Batman until the final act?
by Rebel Scumb
I haven't read any spoilers, nor do I intend to, but it seems like all the shots in the trailers of him actually as Batman seem to come from the same sequence. There's a lot of Bruce Wayne though, and if the general idea is Batman has gone away since the end of TDK and is forced out of hiding to 'rise' again with Bane threatening the city, then storywise that would make sense. I don't really mind if it's the case, I loved Batman Begins and he's not batman until halfway through But compared with TDK where we'd seen a lot of shots in the promos of him as Batman fighting guys, gliding over cities, riding the batpod and tumbler, and other action shots, or just cool shots of him on rooftops overlooking gotham, TDKR so far has only really shown Batman in a showdown with Bane in the streets amidst a riot, and few other shots. Hopefully it's a good part3, and the trilogy can close with a consistent level of quality throughout.
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April 1, 2012, 10:13 a.m. CST
Where's the "EXCELSIOR" film news? George Takei in the captain's chair!
by HolgerDanski
From George Takei's Facebook page: "Friends, I'm thrilled to share this news with you today. As announced at Emerald City Comicon, where I'm appearing this weekend, Paramount Pictures has green-lit a new Star Trek Movie entitled "Excelsior" in which I will play the captain. This announcement is part of Paramount Studio's 100th-year anniversary campaign. The studio has acknowledged the fan enthusiasm for this concept ever since I appeared in command of the vessel in "The Undiscovered Country." J.J. Abrams will direct, with Robert Orci again writing the screenplay. My co-star in Allegiance, Paulo Montalban, has been cast opposite me to play the mercurial "Agha," the grandson of Khan (played by Ricardo Montalban in the Second Star Trek Movie). Also featured are Gilbert Gottfried (playing a wily Ferengi First Officer) and Lisa Lampanelli (as a Bajoran security officer). More to come on this breaking story soon. Thanks again for the years of support, and I'll see you on the Bridge of "Excelsior."
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Duh!
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I am talking from the point of the movie's context.If that context is all about realism,then the Tumbler doesnt make any sense. Tumber is big,bulky and with a completely distinguished design.It is essentially a tank,after all it is a military vehicle.When you drive this thing in a big city,it is inevitable to: 1.get noticed. 2.cause damage 3.be difficult to escape. And these exact things happened in BB: 1.The cops didnt even need description to know what vehicle they had to hunt."Nvm it is a tank" said the cop.The police helicopter could easily spot and follow the vehicle. 2.It destroyed police cars,roads and buildings in its passage. 3.Not only Batman forced to drive the tank on the top of the buildings to escape,but even with the Tumbler's 'stealth mode' his escape was difficult. At least the other Batmobiles work in the other movies,because those movies were more comic-ish,more fantasy.Tim Burton's batmobile which looks like something that has been jumped from a 20s-30s pulp fiction magazine,works perfectly inside a dark,gothic,fntasy setting like Batman's Gotham City. But when you have a realistic movie like BB,then the last thing that you expect from Batman is to drive a tank inside a city.If we are talking about realism,then you need a car which doesnt stir attention,it is low profile and very common vehicle,but it is also very fast and very responsive in its driving under the hood. Hell,even KITT (without the AI ofc) makes more sense in a Nolan realsitic comic-book movie than a tank.Even the batmod was more efficient in driving through the streets and the narrow passages of GC while causing limited damage. NOW,in TDKR since GC is essentially under the control of a terrorist army and there are battles to be fought in the streets,it makes perfectly sense to have Tumbler in that movie.But i dont know how realistic it will look to have that tank transforming into a batjet....
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probably that's what will happen.
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April 1, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST
I don' know why people still think the tumbler is going to transform into the bat, the bat is way bigger
by JackSlater4
seems to me it will be eating tumblers
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I think Batman will fight Bane twice, there are photos of him facing Bane by a waterfall and Bane has a sleeveless top on. In the trailer when he is fighting Bane on the steps, Bane has a long sleeve top on. Ok, maybe the sleeves get ripped off but I'm pretty certain they will fight twice.
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The TDK trailers also held back quite a bit about the end of the film, and certainly played it up that the big truck flipping over/'come on! HIT ME!' confrontation could be the climax, and there turned out to be almost a full hour of movie after that. Either way I'm looking forward to the movie I've just noticed there seems to be a lot less of batman in the promotional stuff then with the previous installments. But then one thing I like about the Nolanverse is he actually managed to make me care about the Bruce Wayne stuff, instead of just counting the minutes until he's batman. if anything I sort of find the non-batman stuff more interesting.
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Fuck me with weed-whacker! Never thought to look at the date. What a maroon... Slinking back into obscurity...
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i also have that same felling that Wayne will only done the suit at the 3rd act.
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are you trying to argue that the Burton's Batmobilles could pass unconspicuous? you got to be kidding! i have a theory about you and the nolan's movies: i come tobelieve you truly love them. you might evne love them more then i do. but you decided that in here at this public forum you play a persona who doesn't. probably as a sort of personal joke which get funnier the movie we are clueless to it. like andy kauffman did with his pranks. if so, and more and more i believe this, it's kinda genious. usual sly mediteranean humour.
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in BATMAN BEGINS, the Bruce Wayne stuff was so good, i could had see one more hour of Wayne before Batman easy. in fact, for me BB and all of Nolan's movies suffer from the one problem all good movies have: they are too short. good movies are always too short.
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will always be my favorite. It has been since I was 4, and it is what launched my interest in cars. The Tumbler is my second favorite, the Burton/Furst Batmobile is a close third, the Schumacher Batmobile from Batman Forever is okay, but the 1997 B&R Batmobile is crap.
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after (second place) Arkham's beautiful... http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/388274-batman-arkham-asylum-windows-screenshot-the-batmobiles.jpg and the ultimate Batmobile from The Animated Series, which by the way has been built too... http://www.chickslovethecar.com/TASLifeSize.aspx
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April 1, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST
@asimovlives nope,what i meant is that you dont care if Burton's batmobile
by KilliK
passes unnoticed or not,because the director never aimed for verisimilitude with these movies of his.He directed the movies to be more fantasy,more comic-bookish,more fun. Nolanverse on the other hand focuses on verisimilitude and for this fact,Tumbler doesnt fit very well in that universe. Exception is ofc TDKR where GC is a war zone and Tumbler as a tank is pitch perfect to fight these villains.
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soemthing tells me we will get a lot more of that in TDKR.bring it i say.
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i like it.
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a fact you know, because you are a fan of the movies. i'm on to you, friend.
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Tumbler.
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April 1, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST
more fantasy versions of Batman can get away with a very impratically looking rule of cool car like in the Burton movies and nthe Arkan Asylum games
by AsimovLives
those cars are made to look cool and nothing else. and they are cool. who wouldn't want one of those, if they could work in the real world? the tumbler is believable because it actually works in the real world. it doens't do everything the tuble is supposed to do (which is why there are different versions for each finction, beit speeding and turning or to fire rockets), but overall, it's a fully functionable vehicle in real life. and that philosophy was also aplied to the batpod. it is a fully functionable motorcicle. as for the Batwin, now that is a prop that needs special effects to work as shown in the movie. the very first serious break from reality in regard to batman's vehicles in the nolanverse so far.
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April 1, 2012, 11:53 a.m. CST
if there will be lots of stuff about Wayne in the next movie, i'm welcoming it.
by AsimovLives
team Nolan mannaged, for the first time, to make a bruce wayne that's as interesting as the batman.
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nope it doesnt,not in a typical every-night routine in Batman's life. I explained the reasons why and i presented the supportive FACTS that Nolan's movies THEMSELVES provide. nuff said.
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April 1, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST
I liked the Wayne stuff in BB so much, that if it had just ended when he takes down Falcone at the docks
by Rebel Scumb
with the 'I'm batman' moment, then cut to him standing on the gargoyle overlooking the city, and then cut to the tease about Joker with Gordon talking to bats at the end I would have left the theatre satisfied, even without Scarecrow or the return of Ras. Although I like the stuff with them to, but I just think it's a testament to how strong the Wayne/origin stuff is Also nice to see a batman talkback which isn't over run with the 'it's cool to hate everything popular so now I hate the Nolan batman films' crowd.
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April 1, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST
batman has to be the most style/tone flexible comicbook character of all time
by Rebel Scumb
When you compare the adam west batman, the Tim Burton Batman, the Schumacher batman and the Nolan batman, it's almost impossible to believe they're all based on the same thing, and each is in their own a way a legit interpretation And that's not even getting into all the cartoons and comicbooks which have had so many varied styles and interpretations over the years. and the next set of films are likely to be as different from the Nolan ones, as the Nolan ones are from the schumacher ones.
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April 1, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST
Burton's goth-cartoon Batman was SO dumb, but the designs were cool. Chief among them, the Batmobile and Catwoman's outfit.
by NeonFrisbee
Michael Keaton, though? I mean... really? Why not Adam West and go all the way?
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With the right music, right car....just need Keaton back here. Oh well, let's see what the Michael Bayified Batman film this summer has to offer
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April 1, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST
= the tumbler is believable because it actually works in the real world. =
by KilliK
you keep misunderstanding. the question is not whether the Tumbler can operate in real or not.From an engineering perspective,they can work fine,there is no objection to that. But the question is whether or not the Tumbler is a suitable vehicle to use for your every night patrol in a big city without being noticed and causing unnecessary trouble or difficulties.Can you park it? Can you drive it through narrow streets? can you use it in a Grand Theft Auto pursuit without destroying half the city? and so on. Here is a nice article which points out these real-life logical problems that the batmobiles might face. The Batmobile: What a Pain in the Ass http://daveslongbox.blogspot.com/2007/04/batmobile-what-pain-in-ass.html
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Like a James Bond film but without the mask and the cowl.Have Wayne a playboy millionaire who has to face his inner demons but also to fight crime without being Batman.i would pay to see that.
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None of the batmobiles are particularly conspicuous, but at least nolan's one is all perfuctuary, the others are all asthetic, there's no justification for tail finns. It's like putting a codpiece on the batsuit for gods sake.
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i didnt say that the other batmobiles are less conspicuous that the Tumbler,i said that in pure fantasy movies with imaginative settings like Burton's batmovies,you simply dont care if there is a real need for tailfins or not as long as it makes the car look cool. But for a realistic universe like the Nolaverse,it is simply illogicial to use a tank to patrol a city.and the reason for that has been perfectly showcased in BB.even Alfred makes a joke about it. I think i have made myself pretty clear.there is nothing else to add.
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Why the hell did Gordon fake his own death?
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April 1, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST
havehope, there's nothing Bayfied wioth the Nolan's Batman movies. they are the polar opposite.
by AsimovLives
but there mighht be a Bayfication of Batman after Nolan has his run. if when the next batman movie after THE DARK KNIGHT RISES gets anounced that Bay is behind them, i'll not be suprised. anoyed yes but not suprised.
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good question! I actually watched it the other day for the first time in a year and I still don't know why he does that.
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April 1, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST
who wnnabe bet that some hack like Bay will be in charge of the Batman movies after Nolan's run?
by AsimovLives
Bay? Snyder? Abrams? the Battle LA guy? Brett Ratner? the clash of titans guy?
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April 1, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST
catothecensor, to catch the joker unawares. which worked... for a while.
by AsimovLives
it would had worked if that cop had not decided to be dumb and try to give the joker a beating.
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everytime he hits the streets, he does with a mission and a purpose. he has a destined target. Burton's batman did patrols because he was busy going after purse snatchers. in Nolan's batman movies, Batman is intereted in the big fish, the sharks that run the crime world at Gotham. So, the tumbler is used for what it is: a fast assault vehicle for shock and awe tactics. Nolan's Batman does not patrol. Thus, the tumbler works beautifully in the Nolan's movies. it fits to a T.
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it is one of the countless plotholes of the overrated TDK.just try to ignore them if you want to enjoy the movie.
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April 1, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST
@asimovlives either he does patrols or he goes in GC for a specific mission
by KilliK
he does have to drive the car through the city and park it.And TDK is full of scenes where Bats uses the Tumbler exclusively for transportation and not for "shock and awe tactics." NEXT.
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the lamorghini exists. it is the lm 002 and it looks exactly like that. http://www.autoplenum.de/Auto/LAMBORGHINI/LM+002/Modell-Bild-id4.html total insane car which burned gasoline like nothing
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unaware? what does that mean? how exactly his fake death helped Batman to catch Joker? i dont get it. The only thing i remember is a SWAT masked cop pointing a shotgun at Joker's face and Joker didnt give a fuck.Would it matter if underneath that SWAT mask was not Gordon but someone else? Wouldnt the plan have worked equally successfully if under that mask was not Gordon but someone? What difference makes a masked Gordon for the whole plan?
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Really isn't very good. The editing and pacing of the end is horrible. The museum sequence is embarrassing. Keaton was ok tho. Score is good, even though now it just sounds like generic Elfman. I didn't like it when it was released tho, so at least it's a consistent mediocre film. It didn't get any worse with age.
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April 1, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST
You could probably make a Plinkettesque review about all TDK
by CatoTheCensor
the writing is pretty lousy
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The cop who wants to give the Joker a beating in the cell is not such a bad guy. He's driven by revenge. Just like Batman. But anyone who's seen KIND HEARTS & CORONETS knows... ... Revenge is a dish that people of taste prefer to be served cold.
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April 1, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST
killik, stop pretending you don't love THE DARK KNIGHT. you are not fooling me anymore.
by AsimovLives
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wow wow! Badass!and it also looks quite stylish. Typical Lamborghini, they are incapable of making an ugly car, even if it's military. did you know that Lamborghini also builds rural tractors? yeah, imagine, farming equipment called Lamborghini. Farming in style!!
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April 1, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST
"how exactly his fake death helped Batman to catch Joker?" by catching him.
by AsimovLives
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how?
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no, he's not a bad guy, just not very smart. and he even knew that the joker is a masochist. he allowed himself be played like a violin by the joker. it's a funny and good thing in all of the Nolan's batman movis is that whenever anybody is driven by emotions alone and never plan in advance, they get their asses kicked.
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April 1, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST
Burton's Batman movies are proof that style over substance...
by Winston Smith
...is sometimes okay. Especially since the films had some interesting thematic undertones about loneliness and insanity that are quite original, especially for big budget filmmaking, if not that heavily explored. Nolan's Batman movies are proof that dense plotting can be fun and action movies can be taken seriously. They're also proof that sometimes Batman can be taken a little too seriously, but better that than the alternative (Batman Forever). Finally all Batman movies are proof that Bat-nerds like whatever is in front of them. I remember in 1995 Batman Forever was considered "so cool." Burton's 1989 was considered a classic of filmmaking back in the day, and just recently The Dark Knight's been put on par with The Godfather (not even fucking close). So as long as the next iteration isn't Batman & Robin bad (ie as bad as it gets), fans will suddenly decide Nolan's films are stale, clinical and boring and that this new take is much better. I mean come on, when did Schumacher's shit start being put exactly on par with Burton's efforts? That's just revisionist fucking history. And yes, the 89 and tumbler are the coolest looking.
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http://tomztoyz.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/custom-1989-batman-movie-batmobile-8500.html
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April 1, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST
It also just comes down to personal taste in some respects
by Rebel Scumb
The Nolan Batfilms emphasize almost all the things I like about the Batman stories, and de-emphasize the things I don't I've always prefered the idea of batman not being linked with the larger DC universe, it should be a world without super powers where there is nothing in Gotham City stranger than batman himself that's why I always liked just seeing him fight mob guys, and a few super psychos like Joker and Scarcrow and Two-face. But I'm not really into the more scifi villians like poison ivy or mr freese or clayface though admittedly they worked pretty well in the original animated series and the Arkham games, but I think that's just a matter of certain things working better in a cartoon/comics medium then in live action. Like batman's suit. Looks great as grey & blue in the comics and cartoon, but would look really ridiculous to see Bale wearing that on camera. Likewise if batman wore all black armour like he does in the movies in the comics it wouldn't translate well either (see any of the comic adaptions of the movies for proof) As I said before, batman is a flexible character and one of the most interesting things is just seeing how different artists interpret the same core material. It's the same with the comics, the frank miller batman vs the tim sale batman vs the alan moore batman vs the jim lee batman vs any of the classic era stuff from the 30s to present day are all different, and some are better than others to different people, but each is BATMAN How many properties could possibly survive or warrant being rebooted and reimagined and reinterpreted as much as Batman has, and will continue to be? I for one am always intertested to see a different take, and even if I don't like it I know there'll be another one along soon enough.
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April 1, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST
They are all successful designs and they look pimptastic
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
EXCEPT. For the Schumacher one, that one is epic fail dude. Killik, you smokin crack rocks? What's wrong with the tumbler again? There's nothing realistic about Nolan's Batman movies. They have a loosely realistic style but the tumbler was perfectly introduced in Begins as a real military vehicle which Wayne converted for his maniacal purposes. Not even an elite ninja could pull off the stunts that Nolan's Batman performs, so all comparisons of his films to reality are laughable.
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Did he fake his death to prevent the Joker from really murdering him?
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April 1, 2012, 3:38 p.m. CST
yeah it's not that it's about realism, just a more tactile grounded 'believability'
by Rebel Scumb
Which I don't consider the same as realism. I just think it's cool to see Batman have to actually think through how he's going to do a lot of this stuff, where he gets his gadgets, how he is actually going to function as Batman. But I'm all for a more stylized comicbooky version next, provided there's an equally talented creative team & cast involved.
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tell that to the Nolanoids.
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I think the basic gist was he didn't want his family targeted, the inner logistics of how this ruse was pulled off, who was in the know, and how planned in advance it was is admittedly very muddled. My whole thing with TDK is it's not perfect, but the things that work about it are so numerous and work so well that none of the things that are off about it ever bother me. And as summer blockbuster type movies go, I'm hard pressed to ask for more than what the Nolan batfilms have delivered thus far.
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He says it in the movie. Not that confusing why he did it. How he did it is kinda confusing. It's the one plot point that is difficult to explain. If that ruins the whole movie for you, I suggest you stop watching movies.
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April 1, 2012, 3:51 p.m. CST
=Did he fake his death to prevent the Joker from really murdering him? =
by KilliK
nope. Joker shot to kill the mayor but Gordon jumped in front of him to protect him and took the bullet.Probably he wasnt even wounded if was wearing a vest. The police department announced his death and later Dent announced that he was Batman as a bait for Joker.Then they transported him while they were waiting for Joker to appear.Batman managed to immobilized Joker and Gordon caught him with the shotgun. The thing is that there was no fucking need to announce Gordon's fake death,it was not essential for the plan to work.The whole plan was based on Dent's fake reveal that he was Batman,not the fake death of Gordon. They could announce that Gordon was alive and he could still be the masked SWAT cop and the plan would still work with him catching Joker. Really Gordon's death doesnt make any sense at all in the plot of the movie.It is just one of those cheap tricks that Nolan uses to enthrall the average audience,like with the top in Inception.
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yeah and that worked very well in the 3rd act... as i said,full of plotholes.
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The Paramount Theater premiere of the Batman movie in the 60s happened right here in Austin. My wife remembers it to this day. I think one of the producers had ties with Austin. The batboat was made by Glastron which used to be up on highway 183. Would love to have seen it then.
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April 1, 2012, 4:07 p.m. CST
Even Joel Schumacher's gay, neon strap-on-looking Batmobile from Batman and Robin?
by mdk
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April 1, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST
Batman Forever might not be great but as glitzy camp it is far superior to Batman and Robin
by CatoTheCensor
I don't think they deserve to be lumped together.
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The only thing that makes sense is Gordan believed he was on the Joker's hit list.
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You want to kick some ass = Balemobile. You want to commit suicide = Keatonmobile. Shit can't even turn. You wanna pickup guys = Clooneymobile. That is all.
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April 1, 2012, 5:16 p.m. CST
KEATON'S CAR WAS THE BEST AND HIS BATMAN WAS THE BEST AND WHAT A GREAT IDEA HAVING HIM DO THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS MOVIE WOULD BE.
by deano velvet
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April 1, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST
killik, stop pretending you don't like Nolan's movies. you are one of us.
by AsimovLives
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he tells his wife in the film he didn't want to risk their safety until he caught the joker. It wasn't planned, it was just a moment of opportunity after he took the bullet at the failed assassination attempt.
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make it happen and have Burton stop using all the cheap CGI gimmicks he's been up to lately.
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http://www.toystable.com/WebStore/products_pictures/tr114a.jpg
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April 1, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST
it's not a giger batmobille. it doen't have enough penises and vaginas.
by AsimovLives
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but I wouldn't call it in the morning.
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April 1, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST
Danny Elfman's Batman score is outright epic! One of the best movie scores ever written I say.
by bcom77
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April 1, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST
Elfman's batman score is one of the few thingsa bout Burton's batman movies that's universally concensual. it's brillant and evocative.
by AsimovLives
but a score like his would not work for the Nolan movies. Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard score worked perfectly for the mood set in Nolan's movies. i would even say, with good certainty, that Ellio goldenthal's scores for the Schumaker's batman movies are good. they are just too good for those movies. so, basically what i'm saying is that the batman movies never head bad scores. the faults, as they were, resided elsewhere.
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April 1, 2012, 7:23 p.m. CST
i'd almost say the animated series music was as good or better than the '89 version
by zom-bot.com
sure, Shirley Jackson was just tweaking the tune Elfman made, but it seems as cleaned up and streamlined as that amazing cartoon. I'd say she distilled it to the necessary components.
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Brings me back. Propels me forward. Psychedelic everynow maaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
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Now.
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To add drama that otherwise wouldn't be there. But really, that death faking was so unnecessary and was not even believable.
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The joker wasn't a moron. How could Gordon expect his fake death do have any effect on how Joker will operate? Sure, others can argue about this to prove that this plot point "works". But if it takes this much to wrap one's head about it then there's already a problem with the story's flow. A good tale should not only care that it's "smart" but rather about not being convoluted and forcibly complex. It just doesn't seem organic to have Gordon fake his own death and come back in the span of like 5-10 minutes only to move onto another segment that makes the preceding 10 minutes seem utterly wasteful.
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Absolutely adore that piece of music!
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April 2, 2012, 8:37 a.m. CST
AND HERE IS WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAY BATMOBILES DONT WORK IN REAL LIFE:
by KilliK
POLICE PULLS BATMAN OVER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUj9Zeu9vqU&feature=player_embedded http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/weirdnewsvideo/9177439/Batman-and-his-Batmobile-pulled-over-by-police.html SEE ASIMOV WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT? HAHAHAHAHAHA
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April 2, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST
The Batmobile, Elfman's score and Furst's production design was great
by FlyingToupee
Too bad the story wasn't very good. I'll take Nolan's minimalistic take on the character any day. It may lack the cool designs, but it more than makes up for that with good storytelling.
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rumors said 35 to 100 l/ 100 km depending on your style of driving. by the way, tina turner owned one when she lived in europe. as she couldnt drive stick, the whole lambo 12 cylinder 5,2 l monster motor was replaced with a mercedes v8 with autimatic transmission. costed about the same a the car itself. true story....
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April 2, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST
Burtons original is the best batmobile now and forever.
by knowthyself
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Gotta love the tumbler with it's ode to Speed Racer and "jacks" (ie - the ability to just launch itself into air from some type of high powered piston in the frame). But I found the "cockpit slide" thing to be a little silly (why have it move and wouldn't that be dangerous while driving?). I still like the '89 version as well (the later similar ones just got ridiculous) even though it made Bats somewhat more lethal than usual (hood mounted gatling guns and drop charge bombs released from the wheel rim? wtf death?). The only one that looks practical is the '60s version but then...even then...I always wondered why Bats didn't have a genuine stealth version of the Batmobile - something like a Toyota Camry or maybe a Grand Prix or maybe a ReliantK if were talking the '80s..in other words, something that wouldn't immediately attract every person's attention the moment he drove by. The Tumbler is the only one that ever looked "mean" though.
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And excited to see its return in TDKR!
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