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Sir Ridley Scott Mulls 'Space Jockeys' And PROMETHEUS Ratings!!

 

Merrick here...

The new issue of Empire is making the rounds - with PROMETHEUS on its cover.  

In the issue, Sir Ridley Scott discusses the film.  THIS piece on Empire's site teases a few points I thought y'all might find interesting.  Scott hints at exactly how involved those "Space Jockeys" might be in the new picture, saying that...subsequent to his 1979 progenitor movie...

"[I've wanted to revisit it for] years! Years, years, years," he stresses, of Alien's space traveller subplot. "I always wondered when they did [Aliens] 2,3 and 4 why they hadn't touched upon that..

[EDIT]

who's the big guy? And where were they going? And with what? Why that cargo? There's all kinds of questions."

Nothing hugely informative there, but it's yet more evidence that PROMETHEUS' core will draw meaningfully from ALIEN's famously oblique back story.  This connection had previously been strongly inferred in a few publicity stills and via careful analysis of the movie's trailers...but this is one of Scott's more pointed assertions to date regarding his new film's direct interlock with ALIEN.  

In the preview, Scott also addresses the PG-13 -vs- R rating debate.

"It's not just about the blood, it's about ideas that are very stressful. I'm not an idiot, but I'll do everything I can to get the most aggressive film I can."

More from Sir Ridley can be found in Empire, which arrives tomorrow.  

 

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  • March 28, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Cool stuff.

    by Sardonic

  • March 28, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Holy crap I'm first.

    by Sardonic

  • March 28, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    this will be a day long remembered.........

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    sardonic was 1st

  • March 28, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    PROMETHEUS

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    I just hope this movie is as awesome as it is in my mind.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    I'll do everything I can to get the most aggressive film I can.

    by watashi-wa

    That sounds sadly like Ridley's given up on the R rating and will push the PG-13 as far as he possibly can. Le sigh.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Thank you Sir Ridley for addressing the moronic question of R vs PG-13.

    by loafroaster

    Who gives a clean fuck, as long as the movie is good? You make the movie how you want to make it, and don't give a second thought to the rating. Directors who stress their films will be 'a hard r' usually end up making a bucket of shite.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    MY ASS = THE SEAT

    by Karl Childers

    Will be as one.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Noomi Rapace in Mass Effect-type spacesuit?

    by BiggusDickus

    I'm there!

  • March 28, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    people bitching about people saying first

    by James

    Why do you care? How do you even notice? Who gives a fuck?

  • March 28, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    In a perfect world, Scott would have Directed Watchmen

    by TheAwareness

  • March 28, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    I have a feeling...

    by Sean1701

    that this will be an "R" rated film. Ridley would not have it any other way.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    PG13? Really who gives a fuck?

    by nobbythehappyelf

    Honestly what gets past the censor here in the UK is far more than even a mere 10 years ago... As long as the flick is of a good quality I'll be happy! I'm sick of big blockbuster fare that is mediocre. SRS Nobby and wife will be there on opening night!

  • March 28, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    I'm really looking forward to the inevitable Director's Cut.

    by Royston Lodge

  • March 28, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    I'm not gonna lie, I'm getting pretty stoked for this.

    by Tikidonkeypunch

  • Hey if AMC cinemas will accept "signed permission slips" from parents for that one, why not Prometheus? Oh wait they won't, because there's a double standard when it comes to documentaries put out by the Weinsteins and other films.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Speaking of Sir Ridley....when the hell is The Duelists

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Coming to blu ray????????????

  • March 28, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST

    More than anything im looking for word 2 giegers designs.

    by TheAwareness

    if we see a the 20/25 foot xenomoph that "hatched" from the space jockey corpse, ill be truly impressed, that will be could be just if not more powerful than camrons queen alien reveal in Aliens,one would hope..billy .d can u confirm this as being in the film?

  • When someone has themself "knighted" I immediately smell egotism. But I haven't really seen any of that coming from him. He's strong willed, he's tough, he's clever and talented. THOSE are the things I find so appealing in this day and age. A director like Ridley is so, so rare these days. He may not always hit it out of the park — but — he is legitimately skilled in his craft and he seems to put his heart into the projects he has taken on. I have no idea whether or not PROMETHEUS will be fantastic or "meh" but I do know that I am very excited to see what he has worked so hard at creating for us here... worst case scenario, PROMETHEUS — I think — will be unique and a roller coaster ride. What a shame it took him so long to re-visit science fiction film. We could have used his unique vision years ago... PROMETHEUS. SIR RIDLEY. I RASIE MY GOBLET TO YOU!!!

  • March 28, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    They'll release two versions

    by unparanoid_android

    It'll be PG-13 and R in selected theaters. That'll stop the fuckin fanboys whinging.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    The rating dilemma.

    by MONKEY BUTT

    Don't present day commercial realities dictate that a film of this magnitude will NOT be an R? Isn't it completely obvious that Fox would be vehemently against an R? Don't get me wrong, I despise how Lucas, Spielberg and Cameron have all become complete soft-cocks with the cartoon violence in their latest movies. But I'm just being a realist.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST

    R

    by The Fuck

    I want my psychological terror mind fuck. If they can do that with pg, go do it. Does not mean I don't want an R rated directors cut

  • March 28, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Reminds me of Alien Resurrection

    by FitnaTheForbiddenMovie

    With all the mutations and whatnot. /runs for cover.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST

    I admire its purity.

    by MaxZorin

    Maybe they didn't touch upon the Space Jockeys because it was one of the most enduring mysteries in cinema. Maybe letting the audience go 'I wonder what? I wonder if?' was somehow richer than giving an origin to something that didn't need one. I really don't know why people need to see everything. Did the War with the Machines end up better than you pictured it? Was Zion more than you imagined. Were the Clone Wars all you'd hoped they'd be? No. Let us use our imaginations, eh? Let's keep some mystery.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST

    @loafroaster

    by mrm1138

    That was certainly the case with the two AvP movies. The first was PG-13, but even as mediocre as it was, it was still much better than Requiem (despite the latter's pervasive blood and gore).

  • March 28, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Maybe the eggs from the first movie are the Prometheus crew.

    by UltraTron

    That's how they made eggs in the director cut of alien.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    What made the Space Jockey (and derelict) interesting was it's mystery.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    Yeah I know I've said it before but I think it's true. If they're going to explain everything about it then not only will it lose it's mystery but I think it will make things less interesting.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Space Jockey = Humanoid

    by Larry

    If the space jockey has a humanoid form like what we think is presented in the trailers then it's a safe bet to assume we are related to them on some level? Does anyone think this story can side step human evolutionary history and explain away our monkey cousins? What about those Damn Dirty Apes!

  • March 28, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Hollywood seems to think everything has to be explained now.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    One of those annoying trends.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST

    I've suggested this before. I'll pay an extra 5 bucks for R.

    by UltraTron

    Ideas should never be filtered through a rating. There is no defense of pg-13. Make the movie. Then rate it. Cut a pg-13 alternate cut if you have to.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST

    the idea of the clone wars wasnt ruin by the idea of them being

    by TheAwareness

  • March 28, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST

    George Lucas was another one who had to show every characters backstory.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    And my god.......what a horse's arse he made of that. Let's hope Sir Ridley does things tastefully and doesn't give too much away.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    demistyfid by being explored on screen

    by TheAwareness

    it was because lucas fucked up. plain and simple...execution is always the straw that breaks the camels back,not the inherent idea(in this case) i don't mean 2 flame but i always hate hearing that shit, when people cant wrap there heads around properly exploring a concept,they say i couldn't/shouldn't have been done in the first place..weak

  • March 28, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    aremisslake

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    I was joking.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Very torn about Prometheus

    by Clavius

    who's the big guy? And where were they going? And with what? Why that cargo? There's all kinds of questions.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST

    DAMMIT TALKBACK!!

    by Clavius

    I wrote this long paragraph but when I clicked "post" it only posted that one sentence. Screw it, I'm not writing it again.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    =why they hadn't touched upon that..=

    by KilliK

    BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE RUINED THE COSMIC MYSTERY AND HORROR OF THE SPACE JOCKEY THUS DESTROYING ITS CINEMATIC IMMORTALITY ICONIC POP CULTURE STATUS,YOU STUPID FUCK LIMEY. IDIOT.!!!

  • March 28, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Noomi looks kinda cranky there,

    by Spandau Belly

    like somebody hasn't had their space coffee yet.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    I forgot an AND

    by KilliK

  • March 28, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    So everything has to be properly explored theawareness?

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    Even though the concept could be spoiled by it? Don't you like a bit of mystery? Maybe not everyone thinks as me but I liked the fact that the derelict and jockey weren't explained.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:58 a.m. CST

    and yes, it will be PG in cinemas and UNRATED on DVD

    by Spandau Belly

    and yes, I would also pay extra to see it in 2D with the R cut in cinemas.

  • that he makes.He wanted to turn Deckard into a replicant,now he wants to reveal to us the identity of the Space Jockey.The guy is fucking clueless about what it was that made his movies classic masterpieces.what an asshole.

  • lucas just didn't have the will or Patience 2 sit down and think about why he was making those films beyond the obvious dollar signs or if he should,Lucas is not as obtuse as plinkett and his quoters imagine, the guy makes good analytical points thru out his reviews,excellent in fact,but u have to admit he does exaggerate at times(like lucas fighting against the star destroyer flying over the camera after the opening crawl, (u dont even fucking know that dude) and that whoal identity association shit with his friends in his phantom menace review

  • March 28, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    @lordoflight you are not alone.

    by KilliK

  • March 28, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    And I only gave Lucas as an example. He's not the only one...

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    Who's spoiled things by thinking that everything has to be explained and shown on screen.

  • March 28, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST

    The Awareness

    by MaxZorin

    Re. Clone Wars. I don't think anything anyone did could have been as evocative as Alec Guinness sitting down and telling Luke that brief history. It gave us everything we needed for that trilogy, but let us imagine a universe before it. Why demystify it? It's such a gift to come out of a movie and think about what went before and what went after. I think Ridley will deliver. The trailers are superb and these will be ace movies, I'm sure. But my heart breaks a little at knowing this one mystery might die. That big, weird fossil, part chair, part creature, has a light shined on it.

  • is a mutated Weyland/David/Theron or some other crew member who wears a bio-mechanical suit.

  • March 28, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST

    On Backstories

    by ChicagoRonin

    Having recently seen the 2011 "Thing" movie, my feeling on prequels/backstories comes down to one thing: If the film and story are good, no one will care. If they are bad . . . well.

  • March 28, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Why ratings matter...

    by Darth Macchio

    It's all in the point of view... "We need to get as many people to see this as possible for the most profit" - this obviously means PG-13. That's not necessarily bad unless the film's production caters to that rating by changing the film. Maybe those changes won't matter and maybe they will. If Scott and crew make the movie and it gets an "R" and then he tones down a few f-words - I don't think that would be a big problem. But if he has to cut an entire sub-plot or primary story aspect just to gain a PG-13 rating, well I think we all know that would suck. But even more than all that - the MPAA is an unelected board of puritanical asshats that have far too much power to make or break a film based on what is, arguably, ultimately arbitrary - the rating. With a few exceptions, in our modern times it's a solution seeking a problem and given how we rate compared to how the rest of the world rates, it's motivations are even more transparent and pathetic ('violence is great - sex is bad' but elsewhere 'sex is great - violence is bad'). The best example of this abject lack of post-systematic analysis (aka "its always been this way so why change it?" stupidity) and general idiocy/hypocrisy of the MPAA is the documentary "Bully". Hypocrticial: given the uncut airing of "Schindler's List" (an R-rated film) with profanity and nudity fully intact on prime-time (9pm est) regular antennae-based television not that many years ago. And idiocy: teenagers saying the word "fuck" so much that the MPAA feels teenagers shouldn't see it. Cause they might start saying the word "fuck" all the time. You know, like they already do and have been doing for decades. But fortunately, the MPAA is here to needlessly save us from ourselves. So the reality is sometimes it matters and sometimes it doesn't...but that doesn't mean it's not a topic worthy of all of our persistent concern and discussion.

  • March 28, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Prometheus and Total Recall NEED an R rating

    by HndMeFood

    I remember when movies like this had balls - lately they have been nothing but glossy digital turds.

  • Ridley Scott gave us some legendary pieces. He is 1,000,000 times more talented than the vast majority of filmmakers out there. Truly legendary. And yet you shit on him like he's Michael Bay. Bravo, nice job. Stop being a hater and put some perspective into things before you shit all over someone as talented as Ridley Scott. Makes you sound pretty stupid.

  • I love Empire magazine. Makes me enjoy holding actual printed material in this kindle/nook era. Oh yea, Prometheus looks cool, despite the obvious photoshop cover.

  • March 28, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST

    played my=played by

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

  • March 28, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    the STAR WARS backstory we needed was THE LIFE OF YODA

    by Spandau Belly

    Get Christian Bale to play Yoda in greenface, who was a full sized man when he was young but shrinks as he gains knowledge.

  • March 28, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    @lordoflight,and the soul caliber guy

    by TheAwareness

    i love mystery.. its essential when watching a movie like alien the first time, but common those movies will always be around.why..because the were well executed,Your talking about something that in all truth loose,s it shelf life when the movie ends and the credits begin to roll.. its like re-wrapping your Christmas presents and putting them back under the tree after u get done fondeling them all day, i think exploring a tantalizing mystery is fare game if u can make something worthy out of it that will stand the test of time out, and inspire "more"dreams, after all is that not what your realy talking about? and the reast of u that feel the same? lord of light

  • March 28, 2012, 12:17 p.m. CST

    spandau belly --- HILARIOUS!!

    by Astronut

    Dude, I am rolling.

  • March 28, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    R ratings scare me. PG-13 makes me feel at ease.

    by knowthyself

    It's all Psychological. An R rating tells me anything could happen but a PG-13 makes me feel safe knowing they can only go so far.

  • March 28, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    there are some theaters that show unrated movies

    by animas

    you would think some dude in his 70's would stop conforming to the system.

  • March 28, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Yeah - mystery stripped away

    by Tony W

    SJ wearing suit = lame. SJ=humanoid=lame-ass cop-out. Human mutation into SJ=really lame Human mutation into SJ wearing suit=really fucking lame All of this destroying the SJ mystery = FUCKED!

  • March 28, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    I honestly don't give a shit about the rating

    by Jaster Mareel

    If PG-13 gets more butts in seats then I'm totally fine with that.....as long as I get a nudity-riddled, blood-splattered and grim as fuck unrated director's cut on 3D Blu-ray. And I can't believe anyone has a scintilla of doubt about this film's attachment to Alien at this point.

  • March 28, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST

    "I always wondered -

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    is it just a tall bald guy in a suit? Cause that would be AMAZING!" Not

  • March 28, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST

    @theawareness

    by KilliK

    when you open these christmas presents and take out the games,you will start playing with them.and you will play with them for a few hours until you will get bored.and then you will want to play with new toys.But if you keep the christmas presents closed,you will never get bored thinking what toys they have inside them. 33 years and we are still talking about wtf is the Space Jokey. and then comes the original 75yo director,who essentially is someone who returns back to what made him famous because he hasnt made a BO hit for a decade now,and tells you: hey fanboys,let me tell you what the SJ really is. and you get excited that the big secret is finally revealed. and you will talk about it with strong enthusiasm until eventually you wont have anything else to talk about.you will get bored and you wont have again the same curiosity to talk about the SJ like you did before its big secret was revealed.and then you will be waiting for the next movie which will have more questions to give than answers. FACT.

  • March 28, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Guys, the SJ was just a PROP

    by unparanoid_android

    all this "he's gonna strip away the mystery waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah" - just get a fucking grip. The SJ was just a sucking prop that was onscreen for two minutes. If Ridley wants to give it a bit of backstory...what's the fucking big deal? Those of you comparing the SJ to Darth Vader spend too much time in your parents' basement.

  • March 28, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST

    =Guys, the SJ was just a PROP=

    by KilliK

    it was PART OF A FUCKING MOVIE.

  • March 28, 2012, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Riggs

    by dalybear

    Bahhaha that's fantastic. I can't wait for promethious as well. Follow me on Twitter @dalybear

  • March 28, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Lack of self-awareness post of the day!

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Those of you comparing the SJ to Darth Vader spend too much time in your parents' basement.

  • March 28, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST

    As long as he makes the film the way he envisions...

    by bubcus

    I do not care about the rating. R or PG-13. At the same time, I don't want him to just add token breasts just to push an R and I don't want him to cut a crucial scene just to make PG-13. It will be what it is. I plan to see it regardless and if it winds up PG-13, my girlfriend may even tag along. I'm just happy he's doing sci-fi again and I can't wait to see this.

  • It's all or nothing with you wankers, I swear.

  • March 28, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Pg-13, so there it is...

    by rhizomeman

  • March 28, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Re:my Comment about scott directing watchmen

    by TheAwareness

    With a adapted(condensed if u will) script written by Oliver stone and Alan moore Fuck with it..

  • March 28, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Ratings nerds crack me up

    by rev_skarekroe

    Unless they say 'fuck' a certain amount of times and show someone's head exploding in slow motion this movie will suck!!!!

  • March 28, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    BUBCUS, THAT WAS VERY WELL SAID.

    by Astronut

  • March 28, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    (ABOUT YOUR EDITING/RATING LOGIC, I MEAN)

    by Astronut

  • March 28, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    I love new people finally discovering the years-old

    by gotilk

    quotes bug. Hilarious. Did you enjoy writing that 5 paragraph comment? I hope you did it just for the pure joy of writing and not expression. lol

  • March 28, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Alien may have been rated 18/R back in the day....

    by Deano316

  • WAAAAAAAHHHHHH!! I, for one, am FAR too excited about the prospects of this being a good film to have someone come along and act like a cry baby and ruin my buzz. Bunch of buzz-kill fuckers.

  • March 28, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Alien may have been rated18/R back in the day...

    by Deano316

    But by today's standards the same movie may have eeked a PG-13. So who cares? Excuse the double post, damn iPad!

  • March 28, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST

    In the 1999 Commentary...

    by HughHoyland

    For the Alien DVD he openly stated that he always wanted to do an Alien 5 or 6 that told the story about the Space Jockey and their civilization and the origins of the Biomechanoid as well. Theres going to be some lost "mystery" when you do that. But I bet it was going to happen sooner or later so IMO better for Scott to do it than someone else.

  • This one, like Aliens, is developing into something quite different. Looks more like a more intense 2001 with some big ideas floating around. This isn't about a single-minded monster that goes around killing people is wonderfully horrible ways. So---it doesn't have to be an "R".

  • again.......execution,,and no kid will ever not open there presents, unless their parental units are just sadistic, i give u a deliberately ridiculous idea, 2 illustrate Valid point about a very real one, about the nature of a specific type of cinema going experience while .ur analogy looses it power because it has no irony there for it doesn't work(i. e. real vs imagined outcomes )

  • March 28, 2012, 1 p.m. CST

    as good as rumored

    by TheAwareness

  • ...because it's much better not knowing! And they all knew that!

  • or better yet why dont you make a NEW,ORIGINAL movie instead of making a prequel of a movie series which should have ended in the 1st sequel? I mean was that hard to turn Prometheus into a new,fresh scifi epic? why the need to attach it as an unofficial prequel to an all-time classic masterpiece? wouldnt it have been better to make a movie which instead of explaining what happened to the original masterpiece,it would give us a new universe,new characters,a new story and new mysteries to explore? Personally i would be a lot happier if Prometheus had nothing at all to do with the Alien and it was a completely new movie standing on its own.We the movie fans want new,original movies dont we? Now the only reason that i want to see this movie is to see how Ridley used the 3D to give us a new kind of horror experience.That's what i am waiting to see,the artistic possibilities of the 3D in the horror genre.

  • March 28, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Rating doesn't mean much to me

    by AlienFanatic

    Honestly, Aliens would be a PG-13 movie today. In all likelihood, so would Alien. I can't think of a recent R-rated action movie that, lacking nudity, would have suffered for a PG-13. There are movies, like Irreversible, in which the brutality IS the movie. The rape and the reprisal scenes are so vicious and nasty, but evoke such important viewer emotions, that cutting those scenes to fit a rating would have eviscerated the movie. Action movies, though, aren't about concepts so much as they are about entertainment. I don't need to see the neck stump after a guy's head's been severed. I don't need to see the nitty-gritty of a disembowelment to enjoy a film. With some creative editing, I'm certain that all of the intensity can remain and, for those that really need a good blood geyser, the Bluray will have the extra footage you need.

  • after all they are trying to reboot the Alien franchise,because in a sense this is what they are trying to do a reboot-prequel like what they did with JJ's NuTrek. I dont know if they will try to retcon A2,A3,A4 and the AVPs but yeah sequels will be a given if P turns out to be a hit. (which it will).

  • March 28, 2012, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Sure, Killik, it would be ideal to see such an original production.

    by Robert Evans

    But if Ridley delivers another great movie from this universe, what the fuck will it matter? Stop raging against unknowns.

  • so you dont need to see the alien exploding from Kane's lungs in all its visceral glory? because that specific scene is the cornerstone of the whole movie,that's why it is so iconic.

  • Both rich... ...but one got it through a couple of fucking lucky choices and one actually had more than a little skill and talent and made it over the long haul. Lucas has exactly (2) Classic, Respected films...American Graffiti and Star Wars... that he can actually claim some credit for (although he had talent surrounding him and keeping him focused); Everything that came after was either a work of collaborative genius (Empire), or subpar "product". Ridley is a wholly different animal...with a catalog of works, some better than others, that on the whole are far above what the typical Hollywood film maker can deliver. I think Scott is smart enough not to demystify his creation without some careful thought...this isn't a guy driven by toy sales or making films for "Kids", he is a sophisticated guy...and I"m willing to hold my comments until after the artist reveals his work.

  • March 28, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST

    =what the fuck will it matter?=

    by KilliK

    SJ's mystery wont be a mystery anymore.

  • CHILL..

  • March 28, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST

    It is simple why it won't be rated R

    by templesweeper

    Rated R movies just don't make money. Especially R-rated action movies. Sometimes R-rated comedies do well. And after all, as much as you like to think that the filmmakers make this for the love of the art, usually the studios win out. But on the whole, PG-13 equals money, R equals risk. The Passion of the Christ is the highest R-rated movie ever. And even that had a certain conservative appeal. The next R-rated movie on the all-time list is The Matrix Reloaded at the 49th position. The math doesn't lie. If a movie is rated R, you limit the box office take.

  • March 28, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Killik:

    by UltraTron

    Hear me, vain and foolish mortal man. You dare compare Ridley to Michael Bay and in my own sacred sanctuary of nerd-dom? You will repent your boast and the cruel injury you have inflicted on Ridley. In 30 days, on the eve of the longest day of the year, your dick must be taken to the sacrificial rock at the edge of the sea, there bound and chained to the stone. It is unknown to woman, a virgin. A sacrifice suitable for the Kraken. your dick must be delivered to the Kraken at the setting of the sun or else the Kraken will destroy all Ain'titcoolnews and everyone within the site. For the insult you have done to Ridley and the cruel injury inflicted on our tastes, I demand the life of your dick. In 30 days.

  • Don't read anything about. Don't see it. You're getting worked up, man. Have a shot of ouzo and chill the fuck out.

  • already knew about LV326,about Ash working for teh Company,why the Derelict had so many eggs,what it was its mission,why it crashed and what happened to SJ.so many questions.

  • March 28, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST

    @choppah thanks for your advice,although i dont care about it.

    by KilliK

    sorry.

  • The Darth Vader backstory was already known by the end of JEDI. Sure, there were details to be filled in, but the arc was dispensed with through some great scenes in the OT. The Space Jockey is a whole new can of protoplasm. There is ample room for more mysteries and mind-fuckery here, and, as you said, Sir Ridley is a sophisticated motherfucker. Even his *children's movie*, LEGEND, is loaded with all kinds of references to classical and romantic literature.

  • March 28, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Is it really Scott's story to tell?

    by KanekoFan

    So Ridely Scott always wondered about the origin of the Space Jockey... That's because he was hired to realize someone else's story. Dan O'Bannon was the driving creative force behind Alien. If, in his later years, O'Bannon had said, "Y'know, Ron and I had a great backstory worked out for the alien vessel," I'd have thought, "Great, bring it on!" But however good or bad a movie Prometheus may be, it will not be the definitive backstory of the Space Jokey, it'll be a work of professionally-produced fan fiction. And that's fine. That means that we don't have to judge it in terms of how it impacts the mystery of the Space Jokey, because in the context of the original movie, that mystery will still be in place. This is speculation. This is a theory.

  • you are right about this conspiracy.lets wait and see how P will handle the mystery aspect.

  • March 28, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    =This is speculation. This is a theory.=

    by KilliK

    WRONG.when the movie comes out,it will become a canon.

  • March 28, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    As long as a Blu-ray release is the R-rated or "Unrated" version

    by Shub-Wankalot

    I won't be disappointed by the lukewarm PG-13 theatrical release. It's a business after all, and the suits gotta eat.

  • March 28, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    I always wondered why the Alien was never developed more...

    by Smashing

    In the first film we see it grow from small to large quickly, then it was killed, all subsequent movies have shown it grow to the stage shown in Aline then stop. Why would it? a perfect organism would likely ever evolve and I always thought 2, 3 and 4 missed a trick not showing the Xeno-morph continue to evolve and terrorise.

  • March 28, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST

    I don't understand.

    by SebastianHaff

    When did supposedly passionate movie nerds stop caring that a bunch of rich white Christian assholes who don't even particularly like movies are dictating how far our favorite American filmmakers can take their ideas? <br><p> To everyone saying, 'as long as we get the unrated director's cut on Blu-ray..." well, I don't think you understand how the film industry works. <br><p> These days, there's peanuts in the home video market. Everything's about opening weekend. So everything important - EVERYTHING - goes into the theatrical cut. Your silly 'unrated director's cuts' are marketing schemes. They add in literally 40 seconds of footage, not of gore or sex or profanity, just any random 40 seconds, could be longer establishing shots, and suddenly it's a different cut of the movie and thus UNRATED. Then they slap a sticker on it that says it was 'too scary' or 'too wild' or 'too extreme' for theaters, and that's it. Obviously there are exceptions, like Ridley's director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven, but that sort of thing is rare rare rare. <br><p> What I'm saying is, the studios have the cost of their productions figured out to the smallest expense. They aren't going to tell someone, when over $100,000,000.00 are on the line, that they can go shoot whatever the fuck they want and then they'll figure out the rating later. Because then if they want PG-13, there is footage they've spent money on that goes out the fucking window. Even if they hold on to it for a big unrated cut, there's not much money to be made in home video these days, so it's a waste. SO.... <br><p> They go in knowing in advance they want a PG-13. So to all you holier than thou assholes who keep making with the tired claim that, 'I don't need there to be tits and ass and gore and profanity, I just want the movie to be good,' you are missing the entire fucking point. I'm not saying I need every movie to be filthy. I'm saying I'm a big boy and so is Ridley Scott, and I don't like that before a frame of film has been shot we all know right off the bat that there are certain kinds of ideas, language, or violence, that the film is NOT ALLOWED TO utilize. That's the part that pisses me off. That everything I see these days is submitted to an unchallenged batshit crazy authority figure who requires everything we see to be fit for consumption by 13-year olds. Go look at David Cronenberg's work and try to tell me they'd be the same films as PG-13 versions. Get off your high horses. Not all advocates of R-ratings are braindead gorehounds. Some of us just happen to be over 18 years old and don't wish to be handled with kid gloves.

  • March 28, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    I totally agree with Killik

    by Tony W

    A whole new separate story. Then you can have big bald dudes in suits, and everything species is humaniod - to feed the writer's human ego. And the SJ is not a prop. Fuck, it's a crucial part of what makes Alien so alien. If it was just a prop RS wouldn't be focusing on it. I don't have a problem knowing a little about the SJ backstory, but humanoid...really? Mutation....really. Oh come-on. Is this a result of Damon Lindelof? Humans are the center of everything, make sure you have humans all over the fucking place. I don't care if the SJ is suppose to be ancient. Change it so the timeline fits to have HUMANS all over the fucking place. Make sure that the creators or Gods are humanoid too. The audience has to be able to relate to the story. And they'll be happier if they see humans all over the fucking place. Even if this is a space movie 39 light years away, about aliens.

  • That they become more cultured and civilized. The one in ALIEN would be acting more or less like a savage and frightened adolescent, and one without the stabilizing influences of its *society*, to boot.

  • March 28, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST

    smashing, I think it stops at adulthood

    by Mattman

    And the "perfect organism" thing is a bit overblown. It's perfect by our standards, but that doesn't mean it's actually perfect. That's just something humans (or a human created android) say in the movie. I wouldn't take it too literally.

  • March 28, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST

    I have no issues with PG-13

    by D o o d

    Gore and violence have their place but they don't make a film good. So long as the script is engaging and Ridley does his thing, I'm sold!

  • March 28, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST

    LETHAL WEAPON 5? Riggs and Murtaugh reunited?

    by wtriker1701

    What a world THAT would have been.... There's a saying: Schuster, blieb bei Deinen Leisten! Glad, Sir Ridley remembered WHERE to search for movie gold...!

  • That's not a background detail. That's the origin of who made the fucking thing. This is a story that should have been part 3. They foreshadowed that ship in the first 2 movies and we all knew that the alien we met didn't build or drive that space-ship. Killik is right that it could possibly ruin the mystery. But since alien versus predator stuff didn't ruin Alien and Aliens for me prometheus will have to go out of it's way to ruin it. It's really just a natural progression of any story. The less you know the more scary- then aliens was more action heavy because we were dealing with the scary threat more. Going back to who drove that ship and why is this stuff here to begin with was always the intent of Dan obannon- it has to be because it's on the screen. He wrote it. It's obvious that the alien is a weapon or perhaps just dangerous animal cargo. The real alien has always been the guys driving that ship. I had no problem with the predators getting the space jockeys to create the alien weapon for their rituals. There could be a whole slew of alien races they sell these things to I don't need it to be predators.

  • March 28, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST

    IRON JIM TALKS ABOUT ALIENS 3D,TERMINATOR 3D AND PROMETHEUS.

    by KilliK

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkxqvdscsbE

  • March 28, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST

    There is no canon

    by KanekoFan

    When a narrative is constructed to function as a whole in and of itself, subsequent ideas developed for continuations after the fact do not inherently retroactively inform the original work. They are an option, something one can take into account when reviewing that original work, but the later work does not definitively alter the earlier.

  • Exactly, Scott has "NEVER"made anything that has bombed as hard as the Prequels,in the hearts of his fans and in general. Years of childhood fantasy's,added by various rolling stone and other magazine quotes over 30+ years, that fueled our fertile imaginations.No movie(s) ive seen since can compare to that level of disappointment,and no im not one of those losers that says lucas "raped my childhood"(that honor goes to Brian singer and his x-men dreck, the first comics i can say i actually loved),that's a tad too pathetic to proudly wear on the sleeve of my 90's Jim lee designed Eisenhower bomber jacket. Worn by only the most discriminating of geeks

  • March 28, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    choppah...Legend is a fairy tale done right.

    by conspiracy

    Horribly underrated work...it might even be that most elusive thing that all film makers claim to be trying to achieve..."Art". And Tim Curry is the finest Great Adversary ever put to screen...a beautiful film.

  • March 28, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    BTW I HOPE AICN HAS A REVIEW ABOUT THE 3D IN TITANIC.

    by KilliK

    YOU HEAR THAT HARRY?

  • And maybe the alien we've seen is what happens when their DNA mixes with a non-intelligent organism like killik or creepythinman. Or maybe the alien DNA mixes with Fassbender and he's the one transforming into the biomechanical alien.

  • March 28, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST

    One thing is for certain.

    by UltraTron

    The movie will not be as good as my random theories.

  • ...shit goes wrong.

  • March 28, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    jedirob: something like that I bet.

    by UltraTron

  • March 28, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    I'm just jazzed to be here man

    by UltraTron

  • March 28, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    I'd rather never know the rating going in to a film

    by Ben

    If you don't know the rating going in then you don't have any idea how far it might or might not go, you know. I'd prefer the not knowing. Especially with something like this. Just can't help but see it before hand though :\

  • I think it's us - or more specifically, it's the crew of the prometheus, they find all those things in the chamber with the face (oddley similarly spaced apart to the eggs in alien), all of the space jockeys are dead and this is all that remains of them (we see in pics the crew examining a space jockey helmet), and all that remains of them is this terra forming 'pods' in this ship. LV426 is in fact the space jockey's homeworld. Each of these items is some kind of genetic terra forming thing that one of the crew gets infected with, and turns into a space jockey. The crew member who is now a space jockey, tries to take off to terraform earth into a space jockey planet, and the prometheus crew crash into the ship, causing it to crashland. The remaining crew members do something to the pods, causing them to turn into eggs, one hatches, facehugger infects the space jockey, and the leftover prometheus crew fight the new alien to the death. It's just a theory.

  • March 28, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Yes... YET ANOTHER NEW TRAILER!!!!!

    by Fish Tank

    Can't believe this was missed by you guys http://youtu.be/TpLH9ocVxAs

  • March 28, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Oh Ridley

    by JediWuddayaknow

    This is why I love the man.

  • What the average movie goer/watcher creates in their mind (from a moment in a 30+ year old movie by the way) is nothing compared to what one of the worlds most talented and creative filmmakers can create for us on screen. if Scott is on top of his game with this movie it will blow away what most anyone can imagine. And sure, not knowing what the Jockey is and the mystery surrounding that can be fun too but I'd rather see a good movie and enjoy myself than try and hang on to some stupid, overblown "mystery" that no one really cares about anyway. Of course if he screws it up, then he will be lambasted.

  • March 28, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    so fassbender turns from an android into

    by JAMF

    a fucking space jockey and becomes the first human? boooooring!!

  • ... plus 1.5 seconds or more of ONE breast or .3 seconds or more of one penis or a mostly covered sex scene of 10 seconds or more with moderate thrusting. Pretty straightforward really.

  • March 28, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Rapace should have been Catwoman

    by thot

    She has a harder edged look to her but is reasonably attractive. Seems to me she would have been a better fit in the Nolan-verse. Oh,...and Ridley Scott kicks ass!!

  • March 28, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST

    =overblown "mystery" that no one really cares about anyway=

    by KilliK

    apparently you havent read the Prometheus talkbacks here.everyone is talking about what the SJ is going to be.

  • March 28, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    killik is a God

    by Mako

    ...amongst cockroaches. Go away little shit spewing bug. Shew shew!! Ridley Scott owns your ass

  • Seriously. Ridley didn't come up with that out of his ass.

  • nope it isnt.not in the original novel,not in the original script.Ridley wanted to shoehorn it from the start.

  • March 28, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST

    nobbythehappyelf, who gives a fuck?

    by Mattman

    People who understand that the PG-13 rating is very watered down compared to the R rating, that's who gives a fuck. The Alien universe is R-rated. People say "fuck" more than once. Blood sprays. Things come out of people in gory detail. You can't do that in PG-13 without some serious censorship.

  • Ridley Scott is doing fine. His track record is better than most directors...

  • Crossover! Worst fear is it's just going to be... A) Hey, I found an inventation to a space party! B) Ewww... deep space sickness C) Hey, what's with the big stone head? D) Let's loot crap (suggested by synthetic) E) Hey, what's with the black Lost goo? F) Uh oh, why is <insert crew member> acting crazy? G) Uh oh, why is crew member putting on space jockey suit? H) Uh oh, why is crew member taking alien spaceship full of black Lost goo to Earth? I) YEAH, it crashed! Roll Credits

  • And the prequels weren't even that bad, it's just some bad dialogue, bad casting, and over-reliance on CGI that ruined them in parts. The stories themselves were solid. I can point to a few parts in each of the movies that if he let another director take over or allowed someone else to let make a rewrite, that they would have come out better. I don't even think that Jar-Jar Binks was that bad. The voice acting made the character a million times worse. Having Anakin as a twelve year old in the first one, scratching the Midichlorian talk, more screen time for Darth Maul, and less greenscreens would have vastly improved the first one. Smoothing over the dialogue between Anakin and Padme in the second one, and showing Anakin kill actual Jedis instead of just kids in the third one would have been great.

  • March 28, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST

    As far as the Space Jockeys needing to be left a mystery, why?

    by Coughlins Laws

    I just don't get the argument...

  • March 28, 2012, 2:38 p.m. CST

    The only thing...

    by vanchimera

    ...that made Aliens an R movie was Bill Paxton.

  • Any trailer that has some guy manically screaming "Cut it off!!!!" better goddamn be rated R because otherwise the horror of the moments will not stand. PG-13 is a sellout move. Purely driven by economics. That is the end of that discussion. Period. An R-rated IMAX 3D film would be something unique that hasn't been done before.

  • March 28, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Alien pyramids, HR Giger, and Jodorowsky's 'Dune'

    by obijuanmartinez

    I know i's not 'new' news, but, for me, the most interesting thing about the 3rd TV spot for 'Prometheus' is they seem to be dusting off some of HR Giger's concept art from the aborted 70s 'Dune' film to cover the 'mound' seen here: http://www.alienprequelnews.com/2012/03/third-tv-spot-for-prometheus-released.html Several sites also compare it to the 1978 pyramid design that was scrubbed from the original 'Alien': http://slckismet.blogspot.com/2012/03/hr-gigers-alien-movie-concept-art.html Either way = Neato

  • March 28, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Not a new trailer, fish tank

    by NotEnoughBiehn

    It's the same as the IMAX trailer released on the 16th.

  • Not because some director decided to come out and do it. BECAUSE RIDLEY FUCKING SCOTT IS DOING IT!!!! RIDLEY FUCKING SCOTT LET'S SEE WHAT WE GET COME JUNE 8TH. GIVE IT A CHANCE BEFORE YOU LOOK TO HANG RIDLEY BY HIS BALLS. STOP COMPLAINING, BITCHES!!!! You BRAINLESS MORONS!!!!

  • I don't want to see Space Jockeys rolling down pyramids with their girlfiends.

  • March 28, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Can't ignore the economics of making a big budget movie. R is not smart.

    by Onin Solstice

    First, this movie looks like an R all the way, this debat is purely hypothetical until we learn more. But a big budget film that is rated R in todays market is looking to lose lots of the millions put in to its production. It's bad business and only somone who is retarded at math would make a movie this way. But just maybe Scott's clout and notoriety will get him that R, and I'm pretty sure it will.

  • March 28, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    I MOUNT MY PLATYPUS!

    by Mark FitzGerald

  • March 28, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST

    @coughlins laws are you fucking joking ?!?!

    by KilliK

    Check the BOmojo site and you will see that Ridley's hasnt made a BO hit since Blawk Hawk Down in 2001.That's over 10 years ago. The only exception is American Gangster but that doesnt say very much when he had Denzel Washington in his movie which he happens to be a very big drawing name and especially when he has made 5 flops with 2 of them being mega-flops. It's no wonder that he wants "to get back to his roots".

  • WWAAAAAAHHHH!!!! WHAT THE FLYING FUCK IS THE MATTER WITH YOU TOTAL LOSERS??? YOU ARE PISSED OFF THE SJ MYSTERY IS GOING TO COME TO AN END! OH DEAR GOD, NO! ANYTHING BUT THAT! RIDLEY SCOTT IS GIVING US A CRAZY MAD NEW SCI-FI FILM SET IN THE ALIEN UNIVERSE, A FILM THAT — BY EARLY ACCOUNTS — SEEMS TO HOLD A LOT OF PROMISE. MEANWHILE, WE HAVE DIRECTORS SERVING UP SHIT ON A SHINGLE, FILMS BASED ON BOARD GAMES LIKE BATTLESHIP AND FUCKING SLINKY. YOU STUPID, THANKLESS MOTHER FUCKERS.

  • March 28, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST

    The question of R Vs PG-13 is not moronic

    by D.Vader

    Especially when you have no clue of the content in this movie. You're just being ignorant if you think a discussion over the rating is moronic.

  • March 28, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST

    killik, you're a dipshit.

    by Astronut

    I guess Stanley Kubrick was a hack, too, right? Ridley Scott is one of the most successful directors of our time. Not a hack. Get your shit straight. Attack someone who actually deserves being attacked. Someone who really IS a hack director. How 'bout Michael Bay? The things you are posting about Ridley make you sound really uneducated when it comes to the topic of film.

  • March 28, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST

    And loafroaster, don't take offense to that

    by D.Vader

    I hadn't read your post yet, but I was surprised at how thoughtful it was. I thought you'd be of the mind "this HAS to be rated R!" which truly is moronic in light of our ignorance of the intricacies of the story.

  • March 28, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Thanks notenoughbien

    by Fish Tank

    Missed that.

  • cartoon shit for kids to buy toys.the magic word is ADULTS,that's why you need the R.

  • March 28, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    SO WHAT if it's PG13? Seriously.

    by Fish Tank

    Wasn't Star Wars? All the Star Treks? What exactly is it that you think you'd miss in an R-rated? Did adults feel they missed anything with it not? It's sad that this has become a "Saw" and "Final Destination" generation. The most effective horror (if that's what you're looking for) happens off-screen... it's what your mind sees that makes it no freakin' scary. Is it boobs you want? You can get them in PGs or on the internet. Swearing? Big deal - kids swear at the playground, and you can make a movie without it. I TRULY have NO idea why some feel this NEEDS to be R. Will it in any way advance the plot? Will it _really_ diminish the experience? Seriously doubt it. The one thing it _will_ do is get asses in seats and guarantee that "smart" science fiction movies will get made and enjoyed. I'm truly baffled here. BTW - there's a lot of leeway here... from the MPAA... PG-13 — Parents Strongly Cautioned. Some Material May Be Inappropriate For Children Under 13. A PG-13 rating is a sterner warning by the Rating Board to parents to determine whether their children under age 13 should view the motion picture, as some material might not be suited for them. A PG-13 motion picture may go beyond the PG rating in theme, violence, nudity, sensuality, language, adult activities or other elements, but does not reach the restricted R category. The theme of the motion picture by itself will not result in a rating greater than PG-13, although depictions of activities related to a mature theme may result in a restricted rating for the motion picture. Any drug use will initially require at least a PG-13 rating. More than brief nudity will require at least a PG-13 rating, but such nudity in a PG-13 rated motion picture generally will not be sexually oriented. There may be depictions of violence in a PG-13 movie, but generally not both realistic and extreme or persistent violence. A motion picture’s single use of one of the harsher sexually-derived words, though only as an expletive, initially requires at least a PG-13 rating. More than one such expletive requires an R rating, as must even one of those words used in a sexual context. The Rating Board nevertheless may rate such a motion picture PG-13 if, based on a special vote by a two-thirds majority, the Raters feel that most American parents would believe that a PG-13 rating is appropriate because of the context or manner in which the words are used or because the use of those words in the motion picture is inconspicuous.

  • March 28, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    astronut

    by AsimovLives

    you wrote a fantastic post, and what you said is so true. by goblet raises as well to sir ridley.

  • March 28, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    =What exactly is it that you think you'd miss in an R-rated? =

    by KilliK

    THIS: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_V7IT9bKqNuA/S0HuA_c157I/AAAAAAAADpo/lxKWAsHHgHY/s400/alien_shot5l.jpg AND THIS: http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/passtheremote/alien.jpg AND THIS: http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/Mildperv/alien.jpg AND ALL THIS: http://shotcontext.blogspot.com/2010/07/three-studies-for-figures-at-base-of.html

  • March 28, 2012, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Which one was it, asi...?

    by Astronut

    The one where I went off in all CAPS? haha How ya been, man? It's been a while, I must say. I'll come back on here later this evening, perhaps we can postulate... CHEERS!

  • March 28, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    excuse me, ALIEN-ALIENS-A3 were "R"...

    by Cursum Perficio

    and I think they were fairly successful....that said, by todays standards I can still enjoy a P-13....but who really cares when you consider who's directing...it would be friggin awesome if it were TV-14...its Ridley Friggin Scott! This movie is going to be the movie of the millenium.

  • If you can seriously watch those trailers and think, "Gee! This looks like a fine PG-13 film!" when basically every moment is dripping with horror elements, then you're deluding yourself as to what the content of the film justifies. Yes, we don't know what it's about but, goddamnit, just look at the trailer. Just think about the fact that it's a part of the Alien series. This movie is rated R. That's it. Not PG-13. R. Fuck anybody making a profit and people seeing it. I want a movie that will live up the standards that Scott has set. That movie is rated R. Game over. The rest is all about money and I couldn't give a shit. Period. Game over, man.

  • March 28, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    killik - I get that...

    by Fish Tank

    but we've SEEN that already. So what? Seeing someone get cut in half by a Predator's frisbee while their spleen and other assorted vital organs flop out... is it really necessary in "smart" scifi? Serious question.

  • March 28, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST

    If it's R-rated and it bombs, honestly, who cares?

    by Al

    We got a good movie out of it that didn't cut things out just to appeal to a mass audience. That's the only reason for it to be PG-13. Mainstream success. Dollars. As a person watching the movie, how does that make your life and/or the movie better in the slightest? R rated is good. PG-13 is selling out. That's it. There is zero wiggle room on this.

  • WHAT YOU WANT!

  • March 28, 2012, 3:44 p.m. CST

    In space, no one can hear you...

    by buggerbugger

    Alien 0: Not So Alien After All. Kinda Humany, Actually. In A Big Elephant-Faced Suit For No Good Reason.

  • March 28, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST

    In space, no one can hear you...

    by buggerbugger

    ...scream "What do you fucking **mean**, we just made first contact with two entirely alien species and they both turned out to be fucking related to us thanks to shithouse time-travel retconning?!" Cool, first time AICN has erased a comment of mine. I almost feel baptized.

  • If you think Alien is not R-rated, you're lying to yourself. That's it. Liar.

  • The best movies ever made are R- Alien, Aliens, The Matrix, Robocop, Fight Club, Being John Malcovich- That's it. Everything else sucks in comparison. Those are the most visceral and intense movie experiences. I'm sure there's more to add to the list but they are rated R if they are worthy. Raiders qualifies for an R and it's only because Jews hate nazis that they let melting faces and exploding heads on screen. And they hate Mexicans because they let Alfred Molina get his face impaled in the opening scene. Fakey looking but violent as shit.

  • They haven't given you a choice so make one. Just vote for one of the shitty other candidates. Anyone. Just fuck with them.

  • No fucking way, okay? ALIEN had a vivid depiction of a man's entire chest cavity being blown open and all sorts of F bombs and an implied attempted rape scene and other distrurbing images. No way that film — cut as it was and released as it was in 1979 — is rated PG-13 today. It was "R" in 1979 and it would be "R" today as well. How people are arriving at this "PG-13 if it were today" assumption is beyond me.

  • Although this should not concern you if you're into movies based on fascinating subjects like BATTLESHIP and STRETCH ARMSTRONG.

  • March 28, 2012, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Fox and Tom Rothman, please read this!

    by Anthony Torchia

    Here's how to make a boat full of money with an R film. Run a separate ad campaign targeted at parents, encouraging them to take their kids. You will get a ton of free press for such an original idea. If the film is as good as it appears, plenty of parents will gladly see it alone the first time to be sure it's not going to make their children into homicidal maniacs, then see it as a group the second time. Then their kids will want to see it again. PLEASE release this as an R. I promise to see it 100 times if you do. I may be exaggerating slightly.

  • March 28, 2012, 3:58 p.m. CST

    LOL at everyone that refused to believe this was going to be PG-13.

    by hank henshaw

    Alien would not be PG-13 today, no way. The crew says fuck often enough for it to be R, also the chestbursting scene would need to be edited way differently for PG-13. Of course, ratings mean shit, because Alien Resurrection was also "R". You can make a great PG-13 movie, but taking a previously "R" movie series and deliver a new installment in PG-13, hasn't worked so far (see Terminator, Die Hard, etc.). Boy, I hope that they are not going to take that route, like someone suggested a few posts before, that the eggs are the Prometheus crew. The scene with Dallas in the Director's Cut was lame, and rightfully left out of the film. Riddley Scott has made some great movies (only 1 real masterpiece, which is Alien... BR, to me, has it's flaws), but also some misfires. Prometheus can turn out good or bad.

  • No doubt, watching bishop getting ripped in half by the alien queen is among some of the most hauntingly iconic imagery in the series,awesome Oh shit moments like that that drive and amplify the tension,untill its shockingly brutal release,yes violence has a place in film,but it must be handled with care. so yes i hope riddly wasn't forced to cut the balls of this completely in order to get the kiddy's weekend "Coke" money",assuming he came with them strapped on in the first place.. heres hoping

  • We live in the information age. Everyday we are bombarded with images and videos of violence,both real and fictional and as a result we have become jaded,insensitive,apathetic.It is a looming sign of our times.

  • Making the alien backstory even more mysterious would be delicious!! it would be the ultimate kick in the balls of the audiences. i'd approved!

  • March 28, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    astronut

    by AsimovLives

    your very first one, where you raised your goblet to Ridley Scott.

  • March 28, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST

    cursum perficio

    by AsimovLives

    the thing is that bith ALIEN and ALIENS were fairly unexpensive movies. From the 3rd foward, and including PROMETHEUS, they have become very expensive movies, with blockbuster budgets. it was easier for ALIEN and ALIENS to have a return of investment and profit with a R rating then it is now for this more expensive later movies.

  • March 28, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST

    re: "If the 1979 original was rated today it'd be a 15, at most."

    by buggerbugger

    The problem with the US ratings system is that it doesn't have an equivalent of the UK 15 certificate between the PG-13 and R ratings. Their PG-13 is pretty much our 12A rating and then... nothing until you're 18 years of age. The DVDs are rated 15 nowadays in the UK, but the US doesn't have that option; it's PG-13 or R. Who knows, perhaps they'll end up with a PG-13 in the US and we'll get the uncut version passed as a 15, with the US eventually getting the uncut version as an unrated retail disc? It wouldn't be the first time that's happened, from hazy memory.

  • Scott and Cameron proved to be very good at stretching the buck and make their movies look more expensive then they were. But the later movies in the alien saga have progressively been more and more expensive to produce, with a higher risk of losing profitability unless deliberatly made for a wider audience, ence the PG-13 rating. We shall never forget how truly unexpensive ALIEN and ALIENS were. Thus they could afford being R rated.

  • March 28, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Prometheus isn't horror as movie, it's adventure

    by NotEnoughBiehn

    I believe Scott said as much Horror and violence are just some elements that can be in an adventure, like Nazi face melting, or having your hand cut off by your father. So PG 13 is appropriate for and adventure film containing some violence. Not my first choice, but it doesn't have me worried.

  • March 28, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    isn't a horror movie, I meant

    by NotEnoughBiehn

  • think it would be pg13 nowadays.

  • Anyone?

  • March 28, 2012, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Boy, she has a big ol' head on that magazine cover.

    by Emperor_was_a_jerk

  • March 28, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST

    I'd actually prefer they make it PG-13...

    by Hugh G Rekshun

    ...as long as the theatrical version isn't wrecked by doing so. The main reason being...you get better value out of the BluRay release if there's an unrated director's cut on it. Also, the movie will make more $$ on both ends...thus there would be a better chance of getting another movie.

  • Don't get me wrong, I like a bit of claret now and again but off-screen deaths like Dallas' are pretty disturbing in their own way, just how did the alien have his wicked way? etc.

  • March 28, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST

    PG13 = no Charlize Bush

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Defend that.

  • I don't care about Fox's bottom line or some theory that "if this does well we get more". I don't care. I want one good movie. And I cannot, for the life of me, watch that trailer and see anything in it that says this film looks to be rated PG-13. From the vibe of the ad, that does not scream adventure, it has horror front and centre. Horror in this franchise is rated R. That's it. Has anyone considered the fact that since so many mainstream blockbusters are turning into generic slop that if Fox has the balls to make a Big Budget R-rated Sci-Fi movie it may actually work? People will be excited to go see something that is actually different from Battleship and bullshit like that? Maybe take a chance? And not a John Carter chance on something that looks like everything but a chance on something, gasp, original. And R-rated. Because it's different. How's that for an original thought?

  • March 28, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST

    i know this is offtopic..im watching kill bill 2 right now

    by TheAwareness

    originally i hated david carridean as bill, always thought Tarantino screwed up by not getting warren beathy, but now i cant see anyone else in the roll,and seeing how he died(no laughs ..please....chuckle,fuck) it kinda makes me sad when i watch it, he plays the part with a serenity that is both powerful and endearing, i wish i could i have smoked some Bud with him while he was still with us..

  • Lambert and Parker bite it semi-offscreen, you still see them in pain and their mangled corpses. Brett is killed very quickly but mostly on screen. We all know what happens to Kane. I'm fine with off-screen deaths and pulling that trick in Prometheus could be effective. But if you get 10 off screen deaths in a row, you notice the strings they're pulling simply for a rating and just for box office. And, once again, I don't give a single solitary shit about how much money a movie makes. I just want it to be good and not pull any punches.

  • He,s plays "bottled" up characters to perfection Sunny black bud that vega guy

  • March 28, 2012, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Killik- you are a fucking idiot

    by enzoc

    You sit around trolling every Prometheus thread that gets started on this site, it's pathetic. Why do you have so much invested in this failing? It's gonna suck because you think the "story" will be ridiculous, well what about the original Alien's story? It wasn't fucking Casablanca but it was a great film due to its EXECUTION. Which is what matters in a film like this. You are dead set on hating any possible outcome with this movie and it's getting ridiculous. If it ends up being PG-13 so be it, there's quite a few great PG-13 movies out there ratings really don't matter if the film isn't compromised for it. and as for Ridley scott suddenly becoming a hack director in the vain of Michael Bay or Paul WS Anderson... What reality do you live in? He's made more good films than most directors out there, for every robin hood there's a gladiator, for every body of lies there is an American gangster or a blackhawk down. You act like the only good movies he made were Alien and Blade Runner.

  • March 28, 2012, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Somebody at Empire should be fired for that cover

    by master_of_realty

    How does this shit keep happening? Where are the editors?

  • ...like hudson getting dragged down, that wasn't gory, but ya think, boy is that guy boned!!

  • So given how most of you are insistent that the rating doesn't matter and others showing the empirical proof that rated R movies do not make nearly as much profit as PG-13 and lighter, does that mean we may as well do away with the notion of ever again making a movie that does not qualify for the kid-friendly ratings? Inevitably, why would anyone ever purposefully limit their market share?

  • ...what about Gerard Butler in his nutjob Law-Abiding Citizen guise? Hrrrmmm...

  • That's the point of well made horror movies. you do a little bit of both. Sometimes you don't see anything and you're chilled by it. Sometimes you see it all and you're horrified by it. It's about keeping the audience off balance so you can draw them into the experience. If the movie was rated PG-13, you have the ratings saftey net telling you, "Ok, it's going to get bad but REALLY NOT THAT BAD for all the innocent parents and children" etc. The movie is defanged and worse off for it. To steal a tagline from a movie that the Alien was in (and was rated PG-13 and suffered from the same ratings glass ceiling drawback) Whoever wins, we loose.

  • March 28, 2012, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 is proof gory alien death is overrated

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    That film might as well have been Jason in a rubber suit. And that one was horrible, just horrible. But at least you got to see heads explode and the Alien eating all the potential hosts for no apparent reason. Yeah stupid script!

  • March 28, 2012, 5:16 p.m. CST

    If this movie can't make a profit with an R rating, what can?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Is Scott really big enough of a pussy to think Keanu is better than him? Can't all the fucking 12 year olds drag at least one parent or bum hanging out near the theater to see this? That's extra ticket sales right there.

  • March 28, 2012, 5:17 p.m. CST

    If this movie can't make a profit with an R rating, what can?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Is Scott really big enough of a pussy to think Keanu is better than him? Can't all the fucking 12 year olds drag at least one parent or bum hanging out near the theater to see this? That's extra ticket sales right there.

  • March 28, 2012, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Prometheus = Temple of Doom + 2001, =/= Alien +TCM

    by NotEnoughBiehn

    It will be a thought provoking sci-fi adventure movie with some horror and death.

  • March 28, 2012, 5:20 p.m. CST

    TCM??

    by KilliK

  • March 28, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Texas Chainsaw Massacre

    by NotEnoughBiehn

    one of the inspirations for Alien. A slasher movie. That is not what Prometheus will be.

  • March 28, 2012, 5:29 p.m. CST

    retconning...

    by darthwaz1

    This movie is a total retcon, doesn't mean it won't be good..when you go back and explain away old movies via prequels it doesn't work.. the space jockey was a fossil in Alien, also, if AVP movies are cannon, then the Weyland/Yutani corp has Predator cannons hundreds of years prior to Aliens, which means by the time of Aliens the marines would be using predator camouflage & lasers...see? retconning doesn't work..

  • March 28, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Empire covers have never been that good, just slapped on images..

    by steve lee

    ...with little thought for layout but the way poster designs in general are going these days is disturbing: John Carter, Avengers, Total Recall, sure there's the odd exception but defo. seem to be on the slide quality-wise!

  • March 28, 2012, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Probably will be about as intense as Spielberg's WotW.

    by NotEnoughBiehn

  • What about the guy playing Thoren oakensheild? richard armitage?,,or if he actually cared about acting anymore(did he ever?)Stallone, Punisher works better for me when hes played by a older guy

  • March 28, 2012, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Two types of Alien fans

    by IamZardoz

    the first type love all the gruesome gore of the chesburster, the monster in the vents ect... the second could really give a damn about the monster and love the first half of the movie right up to the point of sending Kanes body out the garbage chute; the "alieness" of the derelict, the super bizarro/creepy Space Jockey and add to that the deleted ultra disturbing egg morphing of Dallas into a damn egg!! I am going to trust Scott that he doesnt take away the great mystery of the Space Jockey and go all "Irving the Explainer" on us. Im glad he is trying to make use of practical special effects v. CGI and I could give one rats ass what the rating is as long as it is a great movie.

  • This is just about corporate greed. This film would be extremely profitable as an R but will be moreso as a PG-13 and they know it . But of course corporations are only set up to maximize profits at any cost..no surprise but just keep it real about what it really s.

  • Please stop explaining away every mystery and stop showing us legendary characters when they were teens. YOU'RE RUINING THEM.

  • ... Not to be confused with the revised script by Walter Hill and David Giler which ultimately became the Alien we all know and love. The original script which Alien was based off featured a Pyramid nearby the crashed alien ship that was filled with organic "URNS or JARS" that reacted to touch much the same way they do in Prometheus. Also they take the space jockey's head back to the ship for analysis. Most interesting is that the full grown alien in the first script is described as being "HALF-ANTHROPOID, HALF-OCTOPUS" with "RAZOR-SHARP TENTACLES". Obviously they added a lot of new things in Prometheus story-wise, but it would seem that a couple of things were recycled from that original script. Based on the one shot we saw a bit ago (Noomi Rapace looking through the port glass) I'm guessing they went the tentacled-anthropoid route for the new Prometheus creature. It could even be that the space-jockey has tentacles in some form.

  • imagine that :O

  • March 28, 2012, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Ridley Scott is NOT sophisticated

    by Thunderbolt Ross

  • re:Highlander 3.

  • u need a actor that can give frank a twinkle in his eye,yet knows how and when 2 bury it deep.basically before his family is whacked and his mental shit hits the fan,that cheeky glare can become quite dark, if used rarely and to maximum effect, the "your already dead look. i think itd be a challenge, but it can be done

  • March 28, 2012, 7:06 p.m. CST

    @theawareness: Yeah, I agree he could bring something to it...

    by steve lee

    ...and would probably do the role a fair amount of justice but the version of Castle I'm most familiar with is pretty straight-laced with no time for quips and one-liners, just a dead-eyed sunuvabitch who gets it done then fucks off onto his next bloodbath, I concur there could be a helluva lot worse choices tho! Steve Buscemi for 1, heh!

  • ...haven't seen it but the guy cast looks pretty spot-on, Armitage is a pretty cool choice for a younger Frank, don't know if you're aware of a series called Spooks (UK) but he played a rogue agent and was superb in it, swerving 'tween good n evil

  • however, you could just CG overlay a skull onto his Cobra duds and you're there (well, kinda!)

  • March 28, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Stallone Punisher = WIN.

    by adeceasedfan

    Have Milo Ventimiglia play Frank in flashbacks setting up 80's era sequels in comic accurate costume. Stallone should also direct. Last Rambo Ultraviolence style.

  • March 28, 2012, 7:42 p.m. CST

    I will see Prometheus whether G, PG, -13, R, NC-17

    by adeceasedfan

    X XXX TV-14 Unrated E for Everyone T for Teen M for Mature RT for Retards It doesn't matter until the credits roll.

  • March 28, 2012, 7:48 p.m. CST

    @pistol-whipped_by_g1megatron, ah well the UK version was 15...

    by JediRob

    It had some of the sex scene but not as much as made it to home video. US though was PG-13 and had no sex/nudity at all.

  • i nominate me lol

  • March 28, 2012, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Sir Ridley

    by Iahael

    O humble Sir Knight, we thank thee as devoted servants of the Art of Cinema, for the following crusades you have already accomplished, even before the release of thy film, Prometheus: 1. Thou hast cleansed the franchise of its iniquities, that is Alien III+ and AVP (forgive them, Lord Giger, for they knew not what they did) 2. Thou hast given due recognition to Sovereign Grand Inspector General James Cameron of the Depths, and his brilliant contribution to the Great Canon, Alien II, as bequeathed to us by Dan O'Bannon, our Dark Star. 3. Charlize Theron doing naked pushups. 4. Bringing back the Worship and Marvel at the Works of H.R. Giger, Blessed be his Name unto the Ages, "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"! 5. Noomi Rapace 6. Michael Fassbender 7. Finally domesticating a Nu Gen writer, Lindelof... Again Sir Knight, we salute you! T.'.

  • March 28, 2012, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Please PG-13

    by Jackson

    I know you guys think I'm an idiot, but I'm only 12 and I won't be able to see an R rated movie in theatres

  • March 28, 2012, 9:02 p.m. CST

    If Ridley is smart he'll....

    by Flyswatta

    include some scene in the beginning of the movie completely unrelated to the plot, etc. Some biomechanical donkey-looking creature strapped onto a mechanical bull-looking thing....and then make a "prequel" in ten years to tell the back story. Honestly, whoever included the SJ by accident or whatever in the original was a genius.

  • March 28, 2012, 9:24 p.m. CST

    jackowacko1055: Buy a ticket for something else and sneak in

    by UltraTron

    like a proper child. Time to man up. You're only 3 years away from maybe having sex with a girl like I did this year. I'm only 15.

  • March 28, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST

    by TOKANDO

    Repo Man

  • Repo Man

  • March 28, 2012, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Backstories/prequels

    by lv_426

    I normally don't like all this prequel madness we have now, but I do feel like we sort of got screwed with The Terminator's future war. In a way I always thought of ut as sort of the same thing as the space jockey and his derelict ship that was heavily featured in Alien and was seen in the Aliens director's cut. Both are sort of a really interesting and evocative backstory/side element that informs and compliments the main course, which is the Alien creature and the Arnold T800 Terminator. With both Terminator 3 and 4, which were fun, we sort of had the whole Terminator formula rehashed. T3 was very much T2 redone with a new more down beat ending. T4, while it didn't feature Arnold as a protector or villain in a primary role, the Sam Worthington character had an arc that sort of covered a lot if the same bases that Arnold's three terminators represented in the first three. T4 was just another Terminator chase-then infiltrate the bad guy's fortress to type of plot again. All it did was flip things so that Reese was now the one who needed protecting instead of a Connor. What we should have gotten was a honest to goodness sci-fi war film with big scale battles and skirmishes between the resistance and Skynet. We never get what we want because Hollywood thinks they're so clever and tries to give us something different with these prequels, but usually when you peel back the surface layers, they're just sticking to the same formulas. Now, we don't know if Prometheus will follow the same formula that the Alien films have followed over the course of the sequels. It looks to me like it will be more like the first one obviously, with some of the feel of Aliens a bit too. I definitely get the Alien/Aliens vibe from Prometheus so far, and not much of the feel of Alien 3 or Resurrection, which is a good thing. Also, Sir Ridley is making this, so that alone is a good indicator that Prometheus at least has a good chance of being worthwhile for us Alien fans. This isn't McG taking over Terminator in place of Cameron. This is Sir Ridley returning to Alien. I'd be just as excited if Cameron came back to Terminator and did a proper future war film to tie up the loose ends and finally end that series on a high note. Now, people will bring up Lucas and the SW prequels. Thing is, we now know Lucas has lost it. Even then it is suspect that the real reason he has kept pumping out more Star Wars is solely because it is a big fat cash cow. I don't get that feeling with Sir Ridley. Not with any of his films, and not with Prometheus. Sir Ridley seems to be genuinely interested in the big ideas of great science fiction, evidenced by his show Prophets of Sci-fi on the Science Channel. Also consider that Ridle has continued to direct a wide range of films ever since he made a name for himself with The Duellists and Alien in the late 1970's. With Lucas, there was a big gap between his directing Star Wars in 1977, and then his next time in the director's chair being The Phantom Menace 22 years later. This is why I don't feel that Sir Ridley will stumble like Lucas did. Even if Prometheus doesn't live up to the hype and the legacy of the first two Alien films, I think it will still be worthy as a part of the Alien films.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:24 p.m. CST

    giant bald guy = Lindelof rip off the Zentraedi

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    from Macross/Robotech.

  • March 28, 2012, 11:24 p.m. CST

    ripping off, meant to type

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

  • March 29, 2012, 3:44 a.m. CST

    No way will this movie live up to the hype!!!

    by ganymede3010

    I can't wait until this movie debuts. Ridley Scott is going to be criticized into oblivion by this board. I'm tempering my expectations so I don't come out sorely disappointed.

  • March 29, 2012, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Direct from Ridley's mouth...

    by Keith Maniac

    "The question is, do you go for the PG-13, or do you go for what it should be, which is R? Financially it makes quite a difference, or the risk makes quite a difference, and yet you also have to apply the question -- if you soften it, will you financially suffer? As opposed to just going for the throat and gambling. Essentially, it's kinda R. The little bastards will still get in anyway, so what's the difference?" Christ i love that bloke, should let them in, then afterwards kill them and we can all go back to "18" / R rated adult , pop culture , entertainment every Summer, HURRAH ! BTW its pretty obvious from those trailers that the Space Jockey is one of the Prometheus crew, trying, at the end of the movie, to take the eggs back to Earth, to "re-populate" it , could be wrong, but i dont think i am.

  • March 29, 2012, 5:34 a.m. CST

    It needs to be NC17

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

  • March 29, 2012, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Interesting would-be spoilers

    by Bodacious_Crumb

    http://tinyurl.com/ckyclcs

  • March 29, 2012, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Killik's posts...

    by kells

    ...remind me of why I frequently give up on internet forum discussion boards as hopeless wankfests of uninformed losers who think the internet medium legitimizes their unfulfilled dreams of having people outside their own basements listen to what they have to say as if they knew what they were talking about. The disturbing question is why I come back. The more disturbing question is why I then post. The most disturbing question is why I care in the first place.

  • March 29, 2012, 7:04 a.m. CST

    The film was called A L I E N

    by MajorBludd

    Because it was a fucking concept. The space jockey isn't supposed to be explained. It's alien to us - what it is, it's function, the eggs all of it - its supposed to be out of our realm of comprehension. It's supposed to be alien! We are not supposed to understand what it is and represents thats the theme, design - its fucking art. That's the ultimate genius of Scott and the fucking film! Cosmic horror you scum! Archane bio mechanical forms from ancient times that were not meant for human consumption! Anyways NC 17 fingers crossed. Ps I think Scott will keep this in mind and not spoil the jockeys at all - he'll do a work around

  • March 29, 2012, 7:05 a.m. CST

    @majorbludd ΕΧΑCTLY!

    by KilliK

  • March 29, 2012, 7:11 a.m. CST

    One question please:

    by KilliK

    A lot of movie sites are referring to the scene from the trailers,where Rapace is running with her pants in the spaceship's corridors as a visual copy-homage to a similar scene with Ripley in Alien. Er is this correct? i dont remember any scene with Ripley running with her pants in the Nostromo,except the sequence in the escape spaceship where she undresses to enter the hypersleep pod.

  • March 29, 2012, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Dan O'Bannon

    by MajorBludd

    Someone up there said any sequel to obannons original alien screenplay is just glorified fan fiction and non-canon. That Prometheus is not canon because obannon had no hand in it. This is the biggest load if shit I've ever heard. Alien was Ridley Scott brining all the talent to gather after revising the script and story boarding the fucking thing. It's his story and movie. If it was obannons script in pure form it would've been the loaded with that dorky goofy over the top spazz characterizations he always uses. It would have been living dead in space with like cyberpunk chicks who walk around naked and nerds and shit. It would have been worse than alien resurrection. Don't get me wrong I love obannon - but the dead seriousness of alien and it's atmosphere and realistic characters were Ridleys doing. You know this!

  • March 29, 2012, 7:44 a.m. CST

    The problem with the sequels

    by MajorBludd

    They all went on a ripely tangent. They were all spinoffs starring ripely vs the xenomorphs. I'm a die hard aliens fan and love that film for different reasons, but it ultimatley failed and betrayed Alien. Why? Because it destroyed the concept of alien. It made these "things" into tangible familiar horror cliches. It gave them insect like queens and hive minds and turned them into large insects which arnt very alien at all let alone interesting or mysterious. At that point they could have been anything. Fucking giant spiders or lizards who cares.

  • March 29, 2012, 7:45 a.m. CST

    and Ridley's undoing with Prometheus

    by KilliK

    if the leaked plot rumors turn out to be true.

  • March 29, 2012, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Ripley* iPhone autocorrect!

    by MajorBludd

  • March 29, 2012, 7:48 a.m. CST

    and now instead of insects,they are bio-nengineered by humans.

    by KilliK

    it is so much ALIEN this way..

  • March 29, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Killik

    by MajorBludd

    I am cautiously optimistic. I've heard the rumors but Ive also heard Scott say something about not ruining the mystique of the derelict and all that. That his goal is to feature it without necessarily explaining what it is to the fullest. Assuming the rumors are false and gleaning what I can from the trailer - I really don't know what to expect. There is not a lot to deduce since only 3 locations/sets have been shown. Perhaps there are actual space jockeys walking around or other creatures other then those blue bald fucks. As long as they don't start talking and explaining shit in English it might work out. If the jockeys start talking in English (telepathy or whatever) ill start laughing and just walk out in livid disgrace.

  • March 29, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Thats my biggest fear

    by MajorBludd

    My worst case scenario - does he have the balls?? Does he have the balls to make them talk!? Kidding of course. Please oh lord don't make the jockeys androids or mutated humans. Fuck now you got me worried.

  • March 29, 2012, 8:13 a.m. CST

    TMDT

    by MajorBludd

    Fucking Teenage Mutant Derelict Terraformers Ugh

  • March 29, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST

    My thoughts on the story: POSSIBLE SPOILERS?

    by BlueSkittle

    So here's how I think things might likely unfold. Human's find signs that point them into space. They follow to find space jockeys planet. Space jockeys don't like how they see humans evolving and decide the end the race. Send space jockey ship with face hugger/possible queen? cargo. Humans say "better save human race, better stop that ship". Ship goes down on LV-426. Final battle in ship. Humans all die. Space jockey chest burster. End. OR!! Space jockey ship has small cargo, not entire room full of eggs. Space jockey gets impregnated. Ship goes down on LV-426. Final battle in ship. Distress/don't come here signal set off. Humans all die. Space jocket chest burster. End. (Off screen. Burster becomes queen and starts nest in ship. Signal gets picked up by Weyland/Yutani. Company contacts closest ship-Ripley's-to investigate.) Thoughts?

  • March 29, 2012, 8:38 a.m. CST

    To be honest

    by MajorBludd

    I don't think the film is going to play out like that at all - its connected to alien via the space jockey race, but I have a feeling lv-426 will not be in this picture whatsoever. I don't think the ending will lead into alien either (maybe an aside like something about information being radio back to weyland hq on earth). I believe them when they say this film will stand on its own with minor connecting tissue to the alien franchise. Those are good yet obvious speculations. I am really hoping Scott/spahts/lindeloff came up with something less predictable.

  • March 29, 2012, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Besides

    by MajorBludd

    Unless the Prometheus is nuked at the end - wouldn't the nostromo have detected it upon it's landing? Assuming everyone dies - which you know won't happen for sequel reasons and because it'll most likely be pg13 - cant kill everyone off in a pg13!

  • March 29, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST

    True, but

    by BlueSkittle

    The space jockey ship obviously crashes, and if the control room/cockpit where we see the space jockey suit (from Alien) isn't the exact same room I'd be surprised. I don't think the ship could go down anywhere other than LV-426, call me closed minded, but that's what I'm seeing in the trailers. I'm really really hoping it's not that predictable, but then I also hoped Robin Hood was going to be really good. I'd be intrigued to see which humans survive, if any, and what happens to them in the end. Charlize Theron looked like she made it into a pod/sleep chamber?

  • March 29, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Since I'm wired on no sleep

    by MajorBludd

    Ok killik is right. 100% Alone I'm sure it will be amazing with a thrilling plot. If you look at this film from the vantage of "prequel to alien" then this film is an abomination. Not only is he demystifying the origins of the space jockey, but also it will be demystifying the most mysterious origin of all - human origin. Ok so these things went from being completely foreign and removed from us in everyway to being our motherfucking creators? Ok so we came from them. Trying to explain the genesis of humanity and civilization in an action movie should be left to hacks like that mission to mars movie. Now that we are linked into a cycle with these not-so-aliens - well what does that mean? What is the message of this movie? That we are eternally linked to a flying half donut. One that has human emotions like revenge - because it wants to punish us for tampering with its tech or whatever. Am I missing something. Fuck I'm over thinking this shit time for bed

  • March 29, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Blues little

    by MajorBludd

    You are probably right - I'm just hoping you arnt - it adds up to what we can see in the trailers. I'm just hoping for a curve ball

  • March 29, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST

    *blueskittle iPhone autocorrect!

    by MajorBludd

  • March 29, 2012, 9:15 a.m. CST

    So many PG-13 apologists/plants in this thread

    by Volllllume3

    For shame.

  • March 29, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST

    2 types of budgets

    by MajorBludd

    Financial budget and content budget. Low budget films can be amazing because it forces the filmmaker to be creative and make due/ use ingenuity. Pg13 is a content budget - it restricts the artistic expression. It forces the filmmaker to censor their vision and subdue their ingenuity. Nothing good comes of it except for asses in seats (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) but it ends up producing hobbled work. I'm not advocating "there must be gore!" but if I'm watching adult humans running while screaming from some alien or witnessing some act of horrible violence, well I expect to hear a couple of swear words. Otherwise it shatters the suspension of disbelief.

  • March 29, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Even santorum

    by MajorBludd

    Said "bullshit!" and he's some sort of religious fundamentalist who is running for the presidency. He said it while campaigning. If he can use harsh language but one of these characters can't say "fuck" in an alien film then something it terribly wrong.

  • March 29, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    RE: Interesting Would-Be Spoilers

    by Karl Childers

    Hey, Bodacious_Crumb. I clicked on that link earlier and only had time to quickly scan it. I tried to go back to it and Moviehole totally deleted the entire article. I wonder if The Powers That Be thought that they gave too much away? Interesting...

  • I'm enthusiastic about this movie. But in the back of my head there's always this apprention that never goes away: "but what if it's not that good?".

  • March 29, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    nowgone article

    by Jon Townsend

    The clips were good. Got me wondering if 'artificial people' are silicon based.

  • March 29, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST

    DOWNLOAD THE DELETED MOVIEHOLE ARTICLE FROM HERE:

    by KilliK

    http://www.mediafire.com/?651tii573jwc7f0 You need the unmht addon to open the mht file with Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/unmht/ I have the habit to save pages which i find interesting in case they get deleted from the web.

  • March 29, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST

    You ratings guys are funny as hell...

    by Blue_Demon

    You cry and cry for a hard R and you're the first ones to label The Passion of The Christ as a snuff film. *shakes head* Whatever the rating is for this movie, as long as it tells a great story, I'm there. The movie looks like it has quite a bit of body horror in it, worthy of David Cronenberg. I can see how explaining everything about the Space Jockey will dim the mystery. Nothing is as good as what that twilight area of your mind envisions when it gets just glimpses of things. It worked that way for me with ALIEN back in the day. We never saw any pics of the damn creature except one dim one in a Newsweek article. My mind kept envisioning all kinds of great stuff. That, coupled with photos of the derelict spacecraft and the space jockey really sent me into mystery overdrive. When the movie came out, I loved it, but quite a bit was explained and it was nothing like I imagined it. Here's hoping this one opens up a few more mysteries and leaves them be, like Choppah said it might. Can't. Freaking. Wait.

  • March 29, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST

    LV_426 SJ in Aliens

    by thedoctor28

    Are you sure? I remember the parents going into the ship thru a crack and that's all we saw i think...

  • March 29, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Thanks, killik!

    by Karl Childers

    Hey, I guess they're right. Computer nerds, although awkward and dangerous behind their keyboards, can still serve a purpose. I'll be right back. Don't you go dying on me! ;)

  • March 29, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Prometheus

    by Jon Townsend

    Perhaps in this case, as in the Alistair Reynolds stories Revelation Space stories, some alien artifacts are traps? Mr Foresight (prometheus) did not think far enough ahead to warn his brother's wife about the box. Maybe that's the message - unintended consequences? From the trailers the film ought to be a fun watch even if just to enjoy the Ridley/Ripley verse again.

  • March 29, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Does Empire use the same photoshop program as EW?

    by Bodacious_Crumb

  • March 29, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST

    So it has nothing to do with Alien...

    by MoPea

    even though a character shown in Alien is a character in the new movie? Nothing at all?

  • March 29, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    ALIEN has been done before people

    by thedoctor28

    Its Planet of the Vampires and It, Terror from Outter Space combined!! POTV even has a SJ Giant Skeleton in it, and both movies are creepy as hell....

  • because nothing has been properly said or shown about PROMETHEUS in any context. All this teasers and trailers have been pretty abstracts, almost, surrealist. If people actually pay attention, nothing, absolutly nothing has been said in those trailers within any context whatsoever. This teasers and trailers are like roscharch tests, they tell more about the people tryin g to interprete them then the trailers themselves. and nothing about the movie has been revealed yet. nothing at all. to say all that has been said about it is mere speculation is to be charitable. it's even thinner then that.

  • March 29, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    thedoctor28

    by AsimovLives

    that's the Mario Bava movie, isn't it?

  • March 29, 2012, 2:19 p.m. CST

    asimovlives

    by thedoctor28

    yup!

  • March 29, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Asimov, people have terrible observation skills too

    by NotEnoughBiehn

    They have a hard time deciphering imagery even when there are obvious giveaways. They make things more complicated and convoluted than the actually are, which leads them to all these wild speculations, while being dull to the the obvious things right before them.

  • March 29, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Holloway becomes a Space Jockey

    by Relugus

    In the Empire article, Logan said Holloway doesn't just want to meet his maker, he wants to stand next to him. Hmmmmm... From what I can gather, Holloway and David are "Team Douche" and both let their curiosity get the better of them. David has no moral compass and probably relates to the bio-mechanical space jockeys more than the humans who shun him. Shaw = Heroine Vickers = Anti-Villain/Anti-Heroine Holloway = Reckless Anti-Hero David = Villain Fifield, Milburn, Ford = Xeno-fodder Janek = Black Pilot Guy

  • March 29, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST

    regulus

    by AsimovLives

    and by black pilot guy, you mean the first to die?

  • March 29, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    notenoughbiehn

    by AsimovLives

    i know what you mean. i think the speculations have gone out of hand. it stoped being about curiosity and it's now in the realm of obsession. and i think all this people who are doing all this minutia analisis of the trailers are just planting the seed of disapointment. no way this guys will end up liking the movie, even if it turns out good. they already have a movie in their heads, and if PROMETHEUS doens 't match it, it will be SW prequels all over again.

  • March 29, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST

    =and by black pilot guy, you mean the first to die? =

    by KilliK

    tstststs. be political correct asi. He is the (black) hero who sacrifices himself to save the others. (whites)

  • They're either plants or 13 year old kids. Ridley even said himself "PROMETHEUS SHOULD BE R" He said it's a question of PG-13 (which makes quite a difference financially) and R, which is what it SHOULD be. So even Ridley admits it's R and anything less is a compromise. I hate the idea that suits have convinced Sir Ridley that PG-13 makes "quite a difference" financially. First off, this isn't true. None of their statistics hold up because all the films today SUCK. PROMETHEUS has potential to bring a whole lost crowd out of the woodwork. It's therefore irrelevant what "works" for other inferior shit fests. Secondly, don't they know they will make tons of money, REGARDLESS of if R or PG-13? If they make the fans happy, they'll make more money in the long run. And why do we need to make an ALIEN film okay for 13 year old kids in the first place?!?! It's just watering down whiskey.

  • The only reason studios are so dependent on weekend opening numbers is because shit today SUCKS SO BAD that by the time the opening weekend is gone, all the terrible reviews are out and no one sees it anymore. THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH GOOD MOVIES!!! Has it been so fucking long since they've had a decent film that studios have forgotten how to deal with it?!?! Good art works slower than shit art. Look how long it took for people to catch on with BLADE RUNNER and Carpenter's THE THING. But now look at all the cash those films have made! Sure... They bombed when released... But they've made shitloads of profit from VHS, DVD, Laserdisc and Bluray. And another thing is this... Those films were ahead of their time. Today I think society is ready for shit that's ahead of it's time and DIFFERENT. In fact... It's what we're all whining about! So you can't look at shit so logically without zooming out and seeing the big picture! If no one had ever seen Carpenter's THE THING before and it came out in theaters right now as the R rated film it was, it would sell. BIG TIME SELL. I'm sure of it. Why can't studios see this?

  • March 29, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST

    I HOPE THIS ISN'T LIKE ESCAPE FROM L.A. FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!!!

    by MENTALDOMINANCE

    Notice how Escape from L.A. was an exact remake of Escape from New York but rendered in cheesy and ridiculous style and tone? A lot of PROMETHEUS looks like this. Like they go through all the same moves but for different reasons. One of the actors said his partner and his characters are the Brett and Parker of Prometheus. Great. So we're going to get the two bickering mechanics. Another actor said his character is the guy who the audience relates to, saying "don't go in there"! So there's the Lambert character. It appears they land on a planet, possibly pick something bad up and then leave. Ditto ALIEN. Just in this one it's for a different reason. In this one they get a star map as a reason to go there. In ALIEN they pick up a signal. I hope this is not a watered down PG-13 Escape from L.A. version of ALIEN! Come on Ridley, you don't need the extra cash and this film will make shitloads regardless... Throw us fans a bone and fight tooth and nail for hard R.

  • Allow me to explain.... Production Budget=$180-200,000,000 Marketing...probably around $60-100M I'd guess. General Studio overhead...a few million more. Now...when we do the math...and add in the fact that box office is split with the theaters (various percentages depending on rental agreement)...we can see that Prometheus needs to turn close to $500M to get out of the red. The Largest consumer of Sci-Fi/Action films are Males 13-25.... Now...if I have a $500,000,000 nut to crack...why would I put out a product that almost 40% of my anticipated core audience can not see? I think everyone wants an unfettered "Prometheus"...but none of us can loose sight that this is a BUSINESS...I know it, Ridley knows it, the Studios know it...and it is time the Fanboys realized it. If Ridley can get them to release it "R"...Thank God for Ridley....but as a businessman that isn't the choice I'd make.

  • March 29, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST

    conspiracy, I'd challenge your cogent thoughts only with this question:

    by Robert Evans

    Will today's teenagers even bother to see this movie in droves? Will they care? I don't know the answer to that, but my instinct is that the subject matter is more appealing to the 21 and up crowd to begin with.

  • March 29, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST

    THE MATRIX was R, and that made a bunch, but that had teen appeal.

    by Robert Evans

    Same with T2. PROMETHEUS feels like a different bird. How much more can a PG-13 add to the gross? Maybe, maybe just the opposite of the studio's logic is true. If there is something truly fucked up and intense and R-worthy at the heart of PROMETHEUS, it will end up drawing the teens in.

  • March 29, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Matrix also only cost 60 mil

    by NotEnoughBiehn

    T2 was 100 mil, still less than Prometheus, but also had franchise appeal, high octane action scenes, ground breaking FX, and Arnold. But I think they are underestimating how effective the marketing around Prometheus is. This movie is being talked about. It might get some of that run-off audience from BSG, JJ Trek and Mass Effect.

  • March 29, 2012, 6:37 p.m. CST

    I'm sure as with most of his films...

    by Cruzboy

    The Directors Cut he puts out later will be the better version.

  • ...but from just a numbers standpoint...I don't know I would risk it. If this were just some $80M production where I could reasonably expect to offset the loss with a populist release the next quarter...sure. But when it is all said and done..this is a BIG production...and this marketing they are doing is First Rate and not cheap. So while it does seem, as with most of Sir Ridley films, to be a bit adult for the Transformers crowd...these kids are ultimately the biggest chunk of film watchers out there...and I just don't know if the Studio can take the chance of locking even a percentage of them out. I think it comes down to this...Even people pushing for an "R" will go see a PG-13 Prometheus..., but if you rate it "R" you guarantee some percentage of these people can't, no matter how much they may want too.

  • March 29, 2012, 10:49 p.m. CST

    The One thing Ridley can point tooto pleade his case is "Gladiator"

    by conspiracy

    ...there is an "R" rated film that made plenty of money. However...it's budget was about half Prometheus...and it's subject material might be considered more broad based, or at least more appealing to the over 25 crowd...which are usually couples. Dunno...I guess we'll see in a few weeks.

  • I really just don't. I want, as you said, an unfettered version of Prometheus in theatres. That's it. Rest of the reasons, which are purely business driven, can go hang. None of it helps the movie experience itself be good.

  • March 30, 2012, 10:57 a.m. CST

    I agree with the choppah !!

    by thedoctor28

    21 and up for this one anyway! Most people really psyched about this one are A L I E N fans knowing its the same universe, prequel or not. Most kids today don't know shit about the first movieI am not seeing 14 and 15 yo's standing in line for this one. I do see droves of adults that would be drooling to see the hard R of this!!!

  • March 30, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Also!

    by thedoctor28

    Even if they don't make the cash they want in theaters, the sales of the DC DVD will make tons of cash over the years! Not to mention the inevitable TV spots like HBO and TNT eventually. Take a chance! Make it an R! Please the real fans, fuk the kiddies on this one!

  • Businesses don't look at facts. They look at marketing trends. They don't see the difference between product A with a sci-fi label and product B with a sci fi label. They just see it as generic - sci fi. We can not continue to think like this. We can't just be about the bottom dollar. We need artistic integrity.

  • They haven't had a real winner in the quality category for AGES.

  • In the case of the theatrical release which did not do well of Kingdom of Heaven vs. the director's cut which is regarded as a masterpiece among many... Don't studios realize this is the SAME THING? It's censorship. Plain and simple. Studio imposed censorship. Won't it suck if they rape the theatrical version so bad it sucks but then, later on, when the bluray is released of the full version, it's regarded as a masterpiece? What will the ignorant fucks think then when they realize they could have made MORE MONEY in the theaters with R? I just don't get it... All these statistics... It's all BULL SHIT. Take each thing on an individual basis. PROMETHEUS is different.