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SXSW '12! Nordling Says WE ARE LEGION: THE STORY OF THE HACKTIVISTS Is Activist Filmmaking At Its Best!

Nordling here.

I'm terrified of Anonymous.

It's not a rational fear.  I've been sold a bill of goods from the media about them - they'll steal your identity, post your credit card and banking information all over the Internet, sned infinite pizzas to your house, "all for the lulz", as they would say.  And as I'm not terribly savvy about computers except the little I know to get by, there wouldn't be a whole hell of a lot I could do about it.  Arising from the infamous /b/ board on 4chan, Anonymous has become a powerful force online and anyone who works or even plays on the Internet with any kind of regularity knows them and steers clear.

Except... Anonymous helped bring down the overly litigious aspects of the Church of Scientology, brought Internet access to the uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt, were the direct downfall of a neo-Nazi radio host, and are undeniably a force for good, when they are turned in that direction.  I never thought that a movie would shine such a light on a group that's been painted with such broad strokes of villainy by the international media, but WE ARE LEGION: THE STORY OF THE HACKTIVISTS does just that, and the resulting movie is an outstanding documentary, one that shows Anonymous as a real agent of change in the world.  And it all started with pictures of old guys screwing and clips from Dragonball Z.

Director and writer Brian Knappenberger has crafted a documentary that truly embodies the old Uncle Ben line, "With great power comes great responsibility."  The history of Anonymous, and online activism, came from an innocuous place - simple pranks played for laughs.  But as online communities formed, and we moved towards a life on the Internet, these random people who had no knowledge of each other's personal lives discover that they have a collective power - first to annoy, then to anger, and then to use that energy into something truly meaningful and powerful.  It's like being front row to watching true poltical awareness coming to life, in a group of people who never had any idea that what they were doing online would lead to fighting for freedoms all over the world.

Is it a biased documentary?  Oh hell yeah.  WE ARE LEGION doesn't exactly shy over some of the nastier aspects of 4chan and Anonymous, but it doesn't dive into the truly disturbing aspects either.  At the same time, the political awakening of Anonymous is shown to grow organically - first by taking down a hateful racist radio show, then fighting the Church of Scientology over freedom of speech and freedom of fear from prosecution, to Wikileaks and the hacking of PayPal and the credit card sites, all the way to the Occupy protests.  The movie feels like a secret history, one that followers of mainstream media might not be privy to, and the various interviews with current and former members of Anonymous are enlightening and informative.  It's a new world of protest out there, one that doesn't have any physical boundaries, and watching these young kids learn (some of them in harsher ways than others) just how powerful they can become is very moving.

Much of WE ARE LEGION is hilarious, especially as former members describe how they take down Hal Turner, a radio talk show host who decides to go after one of the members of 4chan and gets completely destroyed by them.  The various trollings that make up the background of Anonymous are funny as presented, but I couldn't help but think that the movie sugarcoats that aspect of their history quite a bit.  I've heard stories about 4chan trolling that are not presented here and are awful in every conceivable way.  But as the group evolves, aspects of Anonymous - like the hacking rampage of Lulzsec, an offshoot - are also covered.  The Playstation hack that angered many people on PSN is covered as well.  There are aspects of Anonymous that are absolutely horrific, and then they provide a way for the protesting Egyptians to get internet access when the Mubarak government shuts it down.  It's a strange dicotomy, and the movie does a terrific job of making sure that all the aspects are represented.

WE ARE LEGION: THE STORY OF THE HACKTIVISTS is a protest film where the protesters don't physically sit at the counter but virtually deny access, and the movie takes pains to show that there is no moral difference.  It's a rallying cry for the Internet generation, and documents a piece of history that many people had no idea existed.  No matter how powerful and untouchable the elite become, there's always some kid on a laptop out there who can touch them, and that kid will probably use a middle finger to do it.

Nordling, out.  Follow me on Twitter!

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  • March 23, 2012, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Activists?

    by evil__ash

    More like ego-driven bully-boys.

  • March 23, 2012, 10:38 p.m. CST

    ANONYMOUS ROCKS!!!

    by Henry Fool

    I like Anonymous. A lot of Americans have been brainwashed by the authoritarian, corporate media into thinking they're going to destroy our society. But America has always been a country where propaganda is used to keep the working class self hating. That's just my opinion.

  • March 23, 2012, 10:40 p.m. CST

    shows Anonymous as a real agent of change in the world

    by brobdingnag

    Laughably naive horse-shit as a result of ginned up hype surrounding a bunch of script kiddies.

  • If so, fuck them.

  • March 23, 2012, 11:03 p.m. CST

    WHERE ARE QUINT'S HOBBIT SET REPORTS?

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    Perhaps Anonymous could hack into Quint's apple IIe and post his friggin NEW ZEALAND HOBBIT SET REPORTS. oh and this looks fascinating. fuck the fbi.

  • March 24, 2012, 12:40 a.m. CST

    So they destroy some idiot's racist radio show...

    by Skraggo

    ... all the while pumping a fist in the air for "Freedom of Speech"?

  • Is that not movie news? I think it is.

  • March 24, 2012, 5:04 a.m. CST

    none of the real 'hacktivists' (cringe)

    by JAMF

    would ever be involved in shit like this mostly because they would be in danger of getting caught. so the people who do tv interviews and make this shit are just wannabes. pretty obvious really.

  • March 24, 2012, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Now you're praising a haigography about criminals.

    by Buck_Futt

    Pathetic.

  • March 24, 2012, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Ignorance is Strength! DDOS = Freedom of Speech!

    by Buck_Futt

  • March 24, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST

    @auburn3020...What the fuck are you on about?

    by Emperor

    What are you on about? What the fuck was that about criminals? I laugh at people who use the word "criminal," as if these people suddenly stand uprightly for all thats true, good and just in this world. Shut your fucking mouth you babbling twat. Every nation on Earth is fundamentally corrupt and rotten to the core -- thereby, it is criminal. Your government (USA) is a fucking criminal enterprise. It's a rotten, filthy sack of pigshit. The next sanctimonious cunt who talks about "criminals" will feel my foot in their lungs -- in this life or the next. Fucking hypocrites. I'd rather be ruled by DDOS'ers and 4Chan anime porn downloaders, than the worthless and incompetent cunts you've managed to shit into your political zoos (I am not referring to any particular country here, either, because it's roughly all the same shit, to a more or less extent). It really, truly and utterly pains me to have been born into a world that's so fucking backwards, that I actually have to share resources with you barbarians. Ah fuck it. I am wasting my time here.

  • March 24, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Ah, this thread is only going to get longer and uglier, isn't it?

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

  • March 24, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    God Bless these kids

    by crazybubba

    I love anything that contributes to chaos and anarchy. CHAOS AND ANARCHY YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • And let's just be honest: it's usually the left wing movements that are looked back on as "ahead of their time."

  • March 24, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Great point. Left wing activists Lenin, Stalin, Mau, Pol Pot..,

    by Buck_Futt

    ... And Hitler (National Socialism, kids--look it up, but not on Wikipedia) were all way ahead of their times. What was the body count between them, 150 million or so? But nah, they weren't "criminals," man. That's like, judgmental and stuff. And you can't judge cause you're, like a Bourgeous Tagg fan or something...

  • March 24, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Anonymous founder busted recently...

    by DoctorWho?

    ...and squealed on all of his douche bag buddies. He was apparently very "enlightening" and "informative" for the FBI.<p>

  • March 24, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST

    and the other ones.

    by sky

    Gandhi, Martin Luther King, the LGBT rights movement, there are more of these people and groups in history. To say all anon does is bull shit is incredibly closed minded. I will not stand up for everything they have done, just can't. I will stand up for a lot of it though. Want to follow up with some questions. Once you PSN was hacked did anything actually happen? Was your information out and your bank accounts drained? I'm so sorry you lost precious game time, but really read a book. Our online and real world freedoms are being slowly taken away. If you don't like the way people are speaking out, then get out there and do something. Otherwise, STFU your ignorant bitching helps nothing.

  • March 24, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Guys wearing V for vendetta (yaaaaaawwwn!) masks being "activists" = twats

    by allouttabubblegum

    Or usually from well to do backgrounds living off daddys paycheck and dont need to work for a living. Too much time on their hands.

  • March 24, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST

    ^The lady doth protest too much^

    by alexander

  • March 24, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST

    But for the love of God, let annonymous take all the credit

    by alexander

    and god bless 'em

  • March 24, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Isn't the biggest irony proclaiming...

    by The Dum Guy

    We are Legion, when that traditionally is associated with a bunch or demons? Or, maybe they're big fans of Randall Flag.

  • March 24, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST

    ^bunch OF^

    by The Dum Guy

  • March 24, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Hitler was a left winger?

    by BadMrWonka

    Who knew?

  • March 24, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Comparing Anonymous to Gandhi? MLK Jr?

    by DoctorWho?

    Um, please go away. That comparison completely invalidates anything you have to say. Ever.

  • March 24, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST

    FREE SPEECH MOTHERFUCKER!!

    by mr.underwater

    (unless you're saying something I don't like, then I'll do everything in my power to silence you)

  • March 24, 2012, 5:36 p.m. CST

    And while I don't know anything about this group

    by mr.underwater

    I find the above attitude far more dangerous and evil than racist garbage spouted by some idiot bigot.

  • March 24, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST

    ^Wow, typing on phone = horrible mess of words.

    by Mr. Moe

  • March 24, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST

    If they glossed over the uglier bits

    by Durendal

    Then this is by default a shitty, one-sided documentary and should die a horrid death. Yes, Anonymous has done right things...usually for all the wrong reasons. And they've done many HORRID things for all the wrong reasons. I've seen Anon raids unfold with horror and awe as they go after people and wreck them for some of the stupidest reasons. Their origins are ugly. Very, very ugly, sometimes downright illegally so. To ignore this is to ignore their motives. Many Anons don't care about pet political causes. Often, they just do it for the lulz. The vast majority of Anons barely qualify as skiddies. The few who know what they're doing use the rest of these idiots as cannon fodder, getting them to DDoS targets or laughing as they use prepackaged tools to do SQL injections. Lulzsec, anyone? Anonymous is largely a bunch of kids (or manchildren) who are too chickenshit to be real people in the real world and resort to this idiocy. They often do more damage than good when they take up a cause, giving opportunistic politicians reasons on a silver platter to pass overly-harsh legislation in response. There are a few folks in there who likely have their hearts in the right place, but there are too many morons for the hive to really be any kind of force for good.

  • March 24, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Anonymous = school yard bullies, but on the internet

    by Son of a Butch

    Maybe they've achieved something good here and there, I don't really give a fuck. What they're doing is not fighting for freedom or justice or anything like that. What they're doing is bullying everyone they don't like. Some times that might mean taking down neo-nazis. Other times it might mean harassing a ten year old girl and her family to the point where they pretty much break apart (not to mention, her father died of a heart attack) because she posted a video online where she used the f-word. Please, don't support these assholes. They are not "heroes" or "good guys". They're not even vigilantes. They are a fucking lynch mob.

  • March 24, 2012, 10:15 p.m. CST

    freedom of speech = posting thousands of credit card accounts online?

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    I dont understand what the message is, here.

  • March 25, 2012, 1:59 a.m. CST

    When can I has Bittorentz this?

    by and

  • You have no idea of what you speak. So let me enlighten you, numbnuts: 1) Many individuals claim to be a 'part' or 'member' of Anonymous. They are forgetting that Anonymous does not have a membership- or hierarchical structure, therefore, these individuals are morons. It's like claiming you're a CIA operative, except the CIA actually does have a hierarchy. 2) Anonymous is not a GROUP. It's just called that by the media for convenience/expediency purposes. In reality, Anonymous represents an IDEA. That is why it will NEVER be taken down/destroyed/stopped. There are individuals who will claim they are "members of Anonymous," but these individuals more often than not, are simply talking out of their asses. The only centrality/organization one can speak of, when it comes to Anonymous, are these: 1) There is an idea and the purpose is to expound and live out this idea. 2) Individuals who identify with this, are in fact already 'members' of Anonymous. But you do not have a membership card. You do not have a name or number. You might communicate with your fellow humans and share methods in which you communicate and externalize this idea, but you will not call your fellow human being "hello there, fellow Anonymousian." There are no underground bunkers or secret computer labs from which you can pin down the headquarters of Anonymous. EVEN if some people actually did build an underground bunker or secret lab to exercise a particular agenda of Anonymous, this does not imply that this is actually an official piece of Anonymous infrastructure. It doesn't work like that. Further, Anonymous does not have a "track record." This means, in theory, somebody who raped a child yesterday (yes, extreme example), might help liberate a nation tomorrow. Please note: I used an extreme example of child rape, to get it through your thick fucking skulls, that Anonymous, as such, does not have a track record or a moral code it must adhere to. This means that a murderer can participate just as much as a priest, a politician or a street sweeper. It does not matter, because it does not operate along the shallow and superficial standards you dumbasses are so used to identifying with. That is why when a moron like you comes on a talkback and complains about Anonymous, you’re only showing off what a dumb, ignorant and chained-to-the-box fuck you are. Oh yes, I can feel your testicles swelling up now, little talkbacker, yelling "See! See! They are anarchy!!! Victory!!" No, dumbass. Because they do not represent anarchy either. So, what do they represent? The first question to ask is, WHOM do they represent? And that answer is simple: Everybody. So who is a "member?" Simple answer: Everybody AND Nobody. Please note the important difference here. Let me repeat this to you apes once more: Whom do they represent? Answer: EVERYBODY. Who are they? Answer: EVERYBODY AND NOBODY. Am I trying to be mysterious and pretentious here? No. Anonymous represents (stands for), every man, woman and child on Earth. That means that every man, woman and child has a basic right to live, to develop its consciousness and to do WHATEVER it pleases, PROVIDED it does NOT rob another human being (man, woman, child) of the EXACT SAME RIGHT. Do you get it yet? This means that the basic freedoms in life are: Freedom of speech. Freedom of Action within the equal right of all. So, in regards to freedom of speech: Yes, that includes saying "I want to eat a child's brain, yummy, yummy." That includes saying "Heil Hitler." Or "Death to Liberty. All Heil Satan." I am just saying that for shock value, so you dumbasses can get the fucking point. It's like what Voltaire said: "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Do you understand? Okay, that covers freedom of speech. What about freedom of action? Well, that's the 'tricky' part. Tricky, only because your friend might think killing you is a good idea, but you might not agree with him. This is why, Freedom of action is this: DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, PROVIDED YOU DON'T ROB ANOTHER OF THE SAME EQUAL RIGHT FOR ALL. This means that killing another person is robbing that person of his/her basic right to life. Raping another person is taking that person's right to say "no" and be left alone. However, if you want to go and hang yourself and pick up a piece of dog shit and eat it, then by all means, do it. If you want to run around naked with an erection through the streets, then do it. You're not robbing another human being of their basic freedoms. And no, don't come back to me and say "I have the freedom to decide not to see his penis, and he robbed me of that freedom..." because you're just being a fucking idiot. That’s why the entire idea of “promoting democracy” to the Middle Eastern World, is a fucking joke. Your Criminal American Government knows how fucking retarded you apes are, and they can continue to feed you these meaningless, hollow, inhuman abstractions, because you piss heads lap it up. As if “Democracy” was the world’s last line of defense against evil. As if any form of government or economic system is some oasis for human dignity. And don’t bring examples of Hitler or Stalin or Mao, acting as if you know what the fuck you’re talking about, because you do not. You heard/read something here and there, and already you believe yourself to understand something. It’s your weak and insignificant brains, that are trying to make sense of information, that leads you to your idiocy. Your primitive brains love to have a hero and a villain. The Allies were the saviors, the Nazis were the villains. Stalin and Hitler were monsters, Churchill/Roosevelt were heroes (or vice versa). None of you understand anything about history. You don’t even know what the fuck a Nazi is. You just throw that word around, because your dumb-ass teacher or friends/family or the propaganda tube (TV) told you so. On top of that, what makes you think Stalin or Hitler represented the supposed causes they were fighting for? What makes you think Communism produced Stalin, and National Socialism/Fascism produced Hitler? Are you really that fucking retarded, or just pretending to be? I am not going to talk more about this, because I have wasted enough time on you shit heads as it is. Anyway, back to Anonymous: The best way to 'get' it, is to label it "society's immune system." It is society's protection from itself. This means that sometimes you can rely on it, sometimes not, but it always does represent the same purpose, and that is a type of "last line of defense." Now you might be saying "but an immune system doesn't send a million pizzas to your door or DDOS your neighbor." True, but an immune system sometimes attacks itself. It does not always do what it's supposed to be doing. The immune system of a body, is basically as healthy and useful as the individual is. If you have a sick, corrupted human being (I am talking biologically and psychologically as well as spiritually), then you will have a weakened and less effective immune system. That being said, however, does not imply that somebody who just does whatever they please, can legitimately call themselves a "part" of Anonymous. Anonymous does stand for something. At its most basic and fundamental, Anonymous represents: FREEDOM. The problem is, most people have no idea what freedom actually is. I've already begun explaining it to you, but your feeble minds have probably received an information overload by now. So, let’s get back to Anonymous. As previously articulated, Anonymous represents an idea, and thereby a particular train of thought. You can be a member today (if you wish to call it that) and a non-member tomorrow. That is why Anonymous is everybody and Nobody. Because if today (as an example) you help an old lady against her abusive landlord, you can be a representative of Anonymous (provided you have “clicked” with the Anonymous philosophy and therefore understand its purpose), but tomorrow, if you go rape a child, you are not a member anymore. You do not represent its values, and thereby have removed yourself, by your own hands, from its membership. But then a week later, you might once again assist in taking down an abusive/corrupt corporation’s website, thereby once again including yourself in Anonymous’ membership. This is why, Anonymous is everybody and nobody. It can be you, it can be me. Right now, I am a member of Anonymous, because I am communicating to you, what it is, and I am conscious of their presence and their purpose. But it is not a “you” versus “them” or “us” vs “they” anymore. It’s just “us”. Period. The only difference is, sometimes you’re one of us, sometimes you’re not. Now, sitting on these talkbacks and dribbling gibberish about how Anonymous are big bad ugly teenagers with a chip on their shoulders, is “the others” (you’re not Anonymous, because you don’t get it.) But tomorrow, you might be one of us, because you might profit from what I just told you and thereby contribute in some form to the development of the Human race. Anonymous always existed throughout Humanity. Isaac Newton was a member. Albert Einstein was a member. Mahatma Ghandi was a member. I am a member. You could be a member. And no, don’t come to me like a retard and say “Hey, you can’t claim them as your own…” Because there is nothing to claim. It’s an idea, like the idea of “greatness.” If you serve humanity and the development of humanity, you are great. Nikola Tesla was a great human, and therefore he was one of “us.” The only difference between Tesla’s time and our time, is that now it also has a VOICE. It has a “legion” of individuals serving its purposes. So, going around hacking computers just for the “lulz” is not Anonymous, even if those hackers (or script kiddies) might have been working for Anonymous the day before. ALWAYS remember: Anonymous stands for everybody, and everybody and nobody is Anonymous. This is why no government/military/police force/hacker alliance/whatever will ever be able to stop Anonymous. Anonymous has a clear message and a clear purpose. That is why it is beyond the sum of its parts. Nobody can corrupt the name or standing of Anonymous. Nobody can point toward some kiddy fiddler or some bank robber and say “HAHAHAHA, you’re all a bunch of criminals…!” No, because they were not members of Anonymous at the time. If you have such a difficult time grasping this, that’s your fault, not the fault of Anonymous. Anybody who thinks they can create some special “task force” to “stop” or “hinder” Anonymous, still doesn’t get it, which of course serves perfectly our purposes. It’s because you can always destroy an organization or a leader or a group, but you can never destroy an idea and a purpose, no matter how many guns, atomic weapons or elite forces you have. Anonymous is an activist group, with no leaders, no hierarchies and no centralized organization. It does not recognize governments, politicians, corporations or military complexes and economic/social/political systems; and therefore does not play by their rules. We do not have a budget, but our budget is limitless. We have a train of thought, and that is to serve the progression of the human race, with whichever means we care to employ, provided that fundamental human freedoms have not been compromised. It’s an “organization” that does not play by the rules that we have created for ourselves on this planet, which is why it cannot be stopped. Anonymous is yesterday’s group playing by tomorrow’s rules. This means it’s continually adapting and changing and its membership expands and contracts on a daily basis. And the only reason why people feel threatened by them, is because they don’t understand them. Anything that’s obscure and hard to define, creates fear and suspicion. Congratulations, you’re another idiot. But fear not, for tomorrow, you might actually get it, and we’ll welcome you with open arms…

  • Doesn't taking credit for the "direct downfall of a neo-Nazi radio host" sort of contradict that? Isn't that more like "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. Unless I find what you have to say to be really deplorable, in which case, I'll do everything in my power to silence you"

  • March 25, 2012, 4:40 a.m. CST

    ___emperor___

    by Skraggo

    Now that you've enlightened all us brainless nose-picking apes, please feel free to move on to greener pastures. We're so far below you that you're just wasting your time reading these AICN TalkBacks. I'll cross my fingers for you that you'll eventually be able to find an internet forum populated by others of your kind, who have your grasp of history and sociology -- your throbbing intellect, your deft eloquence and oratorial skills. I would like to pose a question to you about Anonymous before you go, however. I read your... manifesto... above, but my little simian brain didn't quite comprehend how the Evelyn Beatrice Hall quote that you mistakenly attributed to Voltaire jibes with Anonymous attacks against websites that promote ideas that the attackers apparently do not agree with. Can you expound a little bit more on how Anonymous' attacks help promote freedom of speech? I realize this question is probably in vain. I stand little chance of being able to mentally convert your deft and eloquent writing into anything crude and blunt enough for my underdeveloped brain to understand. ___emperor___, I would like to thank you for your service as a soldier in the Anonymous army. You have done so much to safeguard my freedoms and my property. I apologize on behalf of myself and everyone else on this TalkBack for being so insufferably and densely dull-witted. Seriously, if this freedom fighter thing doesn't work out for you, you should look into becoming a university professor. You explained all that stuff up there reeeeel gud.

  • March 25, 2012, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Yeah, if you want someone to actually read your rantings and ravings

    by mr.underwater

    You may want to try and lay off calling your readers morons, retarded, dumbasses, etc. like every third word. It becomes a bit redundant and wearing.

  • March 25, 2012, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Sigh

    by Emperor

    1) People are going on about how Anonymous hacked some Neo Nazi...What's wrong with that? Taking down a website of somebody you disagree with, IS NOT robbing that individual to continue with their free speech, all it's doing is communicating another, alternative message. That is all consistent and in line with the Anonymous protocol. For example, I make a website called: "fuckthe jewsandfuckniggers[dot]com" There is nothing wrong with shutting that website down or just hacking it and posting another message on it. However, personally acting violence upon that person, is not in line with Anonymous doctrine. Shutting down a website is freedom of speech. It's just 0s and 1s in cyberspace. The reason why I call you idiots and morons all the time, is because I always seem to be repeating myself. What is cyberspace? It's zeros and ones. It's just digits. Yes, electromagnetic forces carry them, but it's still communications technologies. If I say "fuck niggers" on my website, and somebody else comes and hacks it and changes it to "fuck you", there are no fundamental human liberties compromised here. It is my right to say "fuck niggers" and another person's right to re-arrange that (hack it) to say "fuck you." Get it? The Internet doesn't belong to anybody, and it is not private property. And, I already made very clear to you, that Anonymous do not operate by your fictional social/political/governmental/judicial systems; therefore, it doesn't care if you or some judge labels a particular Internet domain name "private property." Because it is not. That being said, even throwing rocks at that person's (neo nazi's) house, is not necessarily violating basic human rights, because Anonymous doesn't give a fuck about property (a concept defined in an economic system, which Anonymous doesn't care about). Violence is not in accordance with Anonymous doctrine. Therefore, if you go and bash a Neo Nazi or a Jew or whomever, you are not a member of Anonymous at that particular time, and therefore do not represent its interests. I already explained to you the basics above, and if you're still too dense/obtuse to understand, then I cannot be of further assistance. 2) Do not confuse this with Anarchy or imposition of certain ideas for others. Nobody is imposing. It is an exchange of communication, without resorting to the theft of basic human liberties (freedom of opinion/speech and freedom of action within the equal right of all). 3) Also, keep in mind, that not everything attributed to Anonymous, actually is Anonymous, so stop jumping to conclusions. I made it clear, I hope, what Anonymous is, and the rest is up to you... Nothing further needs to be said...

  • March 25, 2012, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Oh Christ, I'm not reading all of that

    by mr.underwater

    You win, collect your prize...

  • You really need to stop promulgating that complete and utter load of big, hairy bollocks you've read on some crazy "secret history of the world" site. Just because the DAP added 'socialist' to its name in an attempt to garner wider support from the working class does **not** mean that it were an honest-to-god socialist party. The NSDAP hated German socialists with a passion and it wasn't because they were "more socialist" or "less socialist" than its own members.

  • March 25, 2012, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Actually, taking down their website is directly impeding their speech

    by TheLastCleric

    Freedom of speech means EVERYONE gets to say as they please, even if what they say offends you on a personal level. That notion is the very crux of freedom of speech and expression and is also a cornerstone of social libertarianism, which is ideologically what Anonymous (sort of) seems to be advocating. Shutting down somebody’s website (even if that person is an asshole) would be in sharp contrast to the notion of free speech and unbridled expression. It’s also ridiculous to claim shutting down the site is some sort of counter-communication; you either apply freedom equitably or you don’t. The irony is that what you are actually promoting is the notion that Anonymous can and will silence those whose message they do not agree with, making you essentially neo-fascists and de facto censors. Perhaps the demon analogy (We are Legion) is an apt one.

  • March 25, 2012, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Also, on the subject of our "fictional" institutions

    by TheLastCleric

    You fuck with enough of these institutions and eventually you’ll discover just how real they are. (Many of your brethren already have) I have no love for my government or corporations (very much one in the same at this juncture) but Anonymous are nothing but rogue thugs with programming skills who are more than willing to collaterally harm innocents in their quest for attention. (And let’s be honest, this is all about ego and making noise) After reading your ridiculously bloated manifesto I actually feel better because if the average Anonymous member (or whatever the fuck you call one of your zealots) is as ignorant as the muddled shit you posted on this forum then society has little to worry about. The funny thing is I’m a tireless advocate of social liberty and freedom of information and I fucking loathe you asshats. And FYI, your message is nothing new. The only thing that makes you special is the delivery method and kudos for squandering that.

  • March 25, 2012, 8:11 a.m. CST

    @thelastcleric : You are wrong.

    by Emperor

    You are falling for the trap, that almost every testicle-swollen talkbacker falls for. You actually don't know what freedom of speech is. Seeing as you don't seem to get it, I will make some concrete examples for you: Freedom of speech is openly criticizing someone or someone's, without fearing for your own personal safety and being prevented from doing so. So, me standing on a street corner holding up a sign: "Fuck you all" is freedom of speech. Anonymous will not intervene and remove this individual either forcefully or even covertly, from that area. If somebody did that and claimed to be Anonymous, they would be lying. Freedom of speech is me writing a book about how the Holocaust was a big fat lie. I don't have to fear for my safety or my PHYSICAL prevention of communicating this idea. Perhaps Anonymous might end up Bulldozing my house or burning my car, (but most probably not), but they are not violating my rights to do exercise my speech. Now, you might be thinking "but hey, that's not fair." But I must call you an idiot. And let me explain why: If somebody tried to hurt me or PREVENT my book from being published, guess what Anonymous would do? They would publish my book. Anonymous would actually divert some resources into ensuring that my book is published. Let's say the Chinese government tried to prevent my book "Why China is a shithole filled with slanty eyed gooks" Anonymous would perhaps post my book on the front pages of Chinese government websites. So, you are demonstrating to me that you don't get it. Anonymous is not against Neo Nazis. In fact, Anonymous recognizes that the world is all the more richer for it. However, Anonymous still recognizes that certain ideas are a detriment to human development, so they very well may make that clear by defacing my website. This is all freedom of speech, and if you fail to recognize this, then you are just plain old fashioned DUMB. This is not a matter of opinion or definition. It's a simple matter of fact. As I said, Anonymous will defend the Neo Nazi as much as they will defend the persecuted Jew. If the Jew's speech is blocked, Anonymous will publish it. If the Neo Nazi's speech is blocked, it will publish it. That does not mean that Anonymous endorse Neo Nazis (or Jews for that matter). Anonymous does not care for national or international boundaries. The reason why you people still do not understand what Anonymous is, and continue to sit here talking utter bullshit, is because (I will be fair with you), it is a new idea, which you're not familiar with. And, our brains tend to defend our previously engrained fictional notions and emotional illusions. As I said: Anonymous cares no more about the Neo Nazi as it does for the Jew or the Arab or the "Nigger." It cares about freedom. If the Jew says "Death to all Nazis" it's quite possible that Anonymous would interfere in whichever way it deems fit, without preventing the individual or individuals from further opportunities of exercising their free speech. The same goes for the Neo Nazi. Anonymous do not tolerate censorship, but that does not mean they will not interfere (as is their basic human right), in any way they choose, provided the fundamental rights are not stolen from the respective individuals. Taking down a website is in no shape or form violating human free speech. Even burning a book is not doing that. But allowing people to read that book if they so wish, is in fact in accordance with Anonymous protocol. You (and others) need to start learning how to think properly and independently of your pitiful, pathetic and asinine little indoctrinated world views that have been pumped up your assholes since you were in the cradle. You're all brain washed (at least most of you), and therefore still continue to completely misunderstand what Anonymous is and what and whom it stands for. Hate Speech (e.g. Neo Nazis, or whatever you want to call it), is permitted, but there are consequences. Anonymous does not wish to impose laws to "combat" or otherwise "prevent" hate speech. No. But they will counteract hate speech, just as much as they will counteract forces that attempt to stifle or prevent hate speech. Counteracting is not prevention. That Neo Nazi is allowed to start a new website and continue in his hateful ways. Nobody will stop him. BUT, Anonymous is also allowed to bring down his website and make fun of him (or her). Anonymous would not, however, physically cause that individual some type of disability or otherwise preventative measure in continuing with their hate speech. That's why Anonymous is apolitical, agovernmental, and independent from any economic system. The only reason why you people are feverishly going on about Anonymous, is because you still do not understand them, and probably worst of all, they defy your pathetic attempts to label them/box them/categorize them/define them. That's why your pitiful little cerebra are continuing to instruct you to dribble your shit, that is completely irrelevant and worthless to the issue at hand. You need to stop barking and start thinking a bit. Anonymous defies your primitive categorizing/defining, but that does not imply that they are mysterious or elusive. No, it's just that you still don't get it, and that's the problem.

  • March 25, 2012, 8:49 a.m. CST

    But you did forcefully remove somebody.

    by TheLastCleric

    Crashing a website is using force, even if said force isn’t physical, so again you are making little sense. What you’ve basically stated is that you wouldn’t physically remove somebody from a street corner espousing a message you disagree with but you will destroy their website for the same transgression. That is inherently contradictory. Then you make a reference to Anonymous possibly (though probably not?) damaging private property which also goes against the grain of your earlier statement where you claim: “Freedom of speech is openly criticizing someone or someone's, without fearing for your own personal safety and being prevented from doing so.” FYI, destroying property is often directly related with an individual’s well being. The very fact that you mention this as a possibility (however remote) suggests, again, that your ideologues are looking to terrorize, intimidate and coerce those people whose opinions differ from yours, which you seem fine with as it pertains to cyber crime and bullying. As to the notion that you would publish a book that others won’t, that would seem to imply that all Anonymous is truly interested in is being contrarian. I especially like this quote because it is demonstrative of how specious your amalgamated ideology truly is: “Anonymous is not against Neo Nazis. In fact, Anonymous recognizes that the world is all the more richer for it.” See, I respect that Neo Nazis have the fundamental right of unfettered expression (something you still can’t apparently understand) but that doesn’t mean I’m foolish enough to suggest their vitriolic propaganda is, in even the most objective light, a component that makes out planet “richer.” Your contrarian and inherently militant philosophy is exposed here as incredibly vapid. It makes me wonder if Anonymous is so anti-society that it supports the proliferation of things like child pornography. Would Anonymous publish child porn? It seems like it might based on what you’ve written here, if only because nobody else would. I also would point out how puerile it is that you continuously resort to name-calling. You are attempting to sell yourself as some enlightened individual but the thuggish and overbearing nature of your words and ideas (fragmented as they are) is indicative of a bully and nothing more. With every inept sentence you are proving (and reinforcing for those already in the know) that Anonymous is made up of pseudo-intellectual blowhards who are using a faux-political agenda to obfuscate what is basically criminality and harassment.

  • March 25, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST

    @thelastcleric: You have a very long way to go indeed.

    by Emperor

    You're not terribly bright, are you? No, that much is certain. You're what people of "my kind" call principle thinkers. You're not a perspective thinker. I really, genuinely think I am wasting my time with you. Pretty much your entire monologue is utterly worthless and just reiterates and reinforces all that's been explained to you thusfar. That is a very clear sign of: Lacking in intellect. It doesn't matter how hard you try to communicate your ineptitude as eloquently as you can, you're still inept. I explained to you countless times before: Anonymous is independent of the following... * Economic Systems (so it doesn't recognize public or private property and therefore any form of property defined in the economic sense, that you may attach to your person, such as your house, car, radio, computer, television, toothbrush, bank account, credit card etc. If you find this disagreeable or unconscionable, then, while you're entitled to that opinion, you're simply not on the mental developmental level of Anonymous. It's just your ancient self playing by ancient rules, that are in fact some of the root causes of most of the world's problems. If you cannot figure this out by now, then this conversation is completely a waste of my time; which it has been for some time anyway.) * Political Systems (Anonymous knows that every single political system in the world is fundamentally corrupt and rotten, which is why it doesn't recognize them or their authorities...) * Governmental Systems (These are bureaucratic structures, whose purpose is to enforce political ideologies, economic systems, judicial systems via its military systems -- thus, it's a self-referential and self-rationalizing circularity, which, once again, Anonymous neither recognizes nor cares for) Now, you're trying to attack Anonymous, because you're saying "Bulldozing somebody's property is intimidation, etc..." Well, that's according to you. Anonymous does not operate on the somewhat low plane of consciousness that brain-washed parrots like you do. They will bulldoze your house (or not, depending on whether they care enough), because they operate on an independent train of thought from that which indoctrinated drones and slaves of society like you operate on. You're just another cog in the economic wheel, with no purpose other than to slave away, until you're rotting in your grave (or wherever). That's, at least, if you're still attached to the current systemic paradigm you love to defend. Even if you're not defending it, you're being a complete fucking idiot by still not understanding that it's not Anonymous' fault, that you (and others) are brainwashed sacks of shit, who still cling on to your illusions/fictions of property and personal fame and fortune. This is what your sick and perverted culture has indoctrinated you with. Therefore, it's your fault, if you are 'intimidated' if somebody bulldozes your house or crashes your computer or website. I know very well that you do not understand Anonymous, which is why I am now ending this conversation. I truly have other things to do, and I don't have time to teach a brainwashed slave how to think or how to be silent. It's best to be silent, if you don't know of what you speak -- you clearly do not. Back to the website issue: Crashing somebody's website is like smashing your car in: You're free to get a new one or just get upset or perhaps just have a laugh at it, or perhaps just re-consider what it is you did or did not do. Anonymous is (as I said), the social immune system. It asks you to look at yourself and ask questions. It is not going to sit and watch, while you go around hurting/torturing/hating others; but it's also not going to intervene to such an extent, where you're rendered incapable of exercising your fundamental human rights, as long as you do not rob other humans of those same rights. Stop sitting there and trying to be a smart-ass and play word games with me. You're not a fraction of the intellect you wish you were, because if you were, this conversation would have ended a long time ago, with you shutting the fuck up and me flopping my dick out and masturbating (or something productive other than teaching you how to think properly). You can continue to sit there, and throw empty names around and play word games or just try to reinforce your pathetic world view with another hot volume of your brain farts, but as for me, I have wasted enough of my time on the likes of you. I do hope, however, I was able to be of some benefit to other talkbackers here, so perhaps you might understand and contribute to the Anonymous philosophy in the future (and perhaps become one of us yourself). Before I end this here right now, I will say that some of the greatest lessons a human being could ever learn, are these: 1) The art of shutting the fuck up 2) The art of thinking correctly 3) The art of knowing and knowing when one knows not 4) Humility Most of you, I am afraid, will never get past number 1. For those that do, you might be ripe for Anonymous, once you reach number 3 and eventually 4. That's all folks.

  • March 25, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST

    EPIC FAIL GUY: THE MOVIE

    by BurnHollywood

    lol

  • March 25, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Not letting someone say something

    by mr.underwater

    is actually freedom of speech... ...or fascism.

  • March 25, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    For example, I make a website called: fuckthe jewsandfuckniggers[dot]com

    by mr.underwater

    There is nothing wrong with shutting that website down or just hacking it and posting another message on it.

  • March 25, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST

    If you claim you believe in freedom of speech

    by mr.underwater

    There's something really, really, really, really, really, really, really, wrong with it. Like I said, more dangerous and evil than a lunkheaded bigot.

  • March 25, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    emperor, you attempt at profundity is amusing.

    by TheLastCleric

    I’ll admit I’m almost overloaded with the amount of poor logic in each and everything you write. For example you claim Anonymous is independent of all economical systems, which is literally impossible. Unless Anonymous is located entirely on some secluded piece of land and is entirely self-sufficient then every last one of your zealots is not only a part of the world economy but a daily contributor to it. At some point you are buying, trading or selling something and as soon as you do you are beholden to an economic system. When you buy a fucking meal, purchase a gallon of gas, or send in your electricity payment YOU ARE PART OF AN ECONOMY. Does that compute or do you need some time to peruse Wikipedia and verify? I’m also curious at the notion that you don’t recognize property rights. Does that mean you are homeless? Is everything you have rented? Do you leave your door unlocked and your windows open so anyone can walk in and take what they want? Some specificity would be appreciated because I find your “enlightened” state fascinating if only from a purely sociological standpoint. Of course the rest of your diatribe is as hollow as everything else you’ve written. I did however appreciate you laying out a numerically designated hierarchy of lessons that reflect your empty and shallow philosophy and I wanted to respond to them accordingly. 1. The art of shutting the fuck up. – Not really a lesson but more of a suggestion. Usually the exclamation of a frustrated intellect who can’t find anything relevant to say. (Also, Twain said it much better.) 2. The art of thinking correctly – Again, not really a lesson or even a lesson fragment. Thinking is merely a cognitive process that can be approached numerous ways. What you probably meant is that people should apply some manner of logical component to their deliberations which is of course ironic given how illogical much of your posts have been. 3. The art of knowing and knowing when one knows not – That sounds like a fortune cookie and a poorly written one at that. Personally I’m not convinced your knowledge of the institutions you lambast is as complex and profound as you suggest. Like I stated earlier your ideology seems like a mishmash of philosophies and concepts with no real sense of cohesion. It’s like you took fascism, communism, Marxism and libertarianism and tossed them into a blender. Your concoction reminds me of a kid at a slushy machine who mixes everything into a grey mess that fails miserably at being anything at all. 4. Humility – I agree humility is a good thing but I’m curious to see it show up on your list. Out of curiosity, does humility cease to exist once you hit Level Five Anonymous and you become the ultimate CYBER DOUCHE? Because there isn’t a shred of humility in anything you’ve written.

  • March 25, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Also, regarding institutions...

    by TheLastCleric

    Historically, most institutions become corrupt over a long enough span of time. The irony is that if Anonymous is actually around long enough (big if) it too will eventually become institutionalized, dogmatic and entrenched in norms and traditions. You’ve tried to paint it as a non-organization; some abstract concept given shape but still retaining an ethereal quality but the fact is Anonymous is an organization and regardless of how loose you and your ilk may be eventually, you will be drawn closer together and become yet another self-serving cluster of myopic assholes.

  • Just wanted to keep that quote front and center because emperor lacked the balls to address it.

  • March 25, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Anon is a douche...

    by ZodNotGod

    A poser, a wanna-be power tripper... If he attempts to destroy our way of life; instutions, free market etc... he destroys his way of life and I find that hard to accept that he would strike a Christ pose and offer him self up like that... I would think his point to all of this is to free us from our proverbial bondage, not screw with everyone's livelihood and quality of life making things a thousand times worse rendering his point moot.

  • March 25, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Letting someone speak, no matter how vile it may be....

    by ZodNotGod

    is the only way to combat bigotry, racism and the ilk. You shine the light on those roaches, not silence them... Free speech is for everyone, even the bigot and the Klansman, to the Anti-Semite and every other angery loser. You silence them just because they upset you then you don't deserve the right.

  • March 25, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    And yes, Hitler was Left wing...look it up, Folks...

    by ZodNotGod

    He was a good old Socialist...

  • March 25, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST

    mr.underwater

    by ZodNotGod

    That's facism dude. You are no better than the loser who created the site.

  • March 25, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    If Economic Systems is detached from this?

    by ZodNotGod

    Where does he live? In a box, under a bridge? He can be against any of that stuff when he is lives with it. Governmental Systems too! Does he not use the Library, does he not register with the DMV or pay property tax? How does he get around not paying the IRS every winter? That's how they nailed Capone.... what about his healthcare? I have great healthcare through my job... If he destroys the economy, is he aware of how worse the country and the global economy would be? Does he want another Great Depression? If so, it seems he wants to cause pain on lots of folks who don't deserve it. Not a nice guy. When loser hippes spew this crap I want to laugh. If you want all this destroyed what is to replace it? What about his kids if he has any? What are they to look forward to? What a person who thinks like this? What type of self-serving douche must they be like to be around; humorless, doom and gloom sack of crap. Typical Left-wing extremism. No logic whatsoever. THis makes no sense and I doubt it's true.

  • March 25, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Life is what you make of it....

    by ZodNotGod

    If you are a negative nimcompoop and thats all you spew, that's all you get. If you go to school, treat people decent, make solid life choices, avoid cigerettes, booze and other dumb shit, you will do fine....Try it sometime...

  • Tell that to Spielberg, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerburg, George Lucas, Bill Clinton, Peter Jackson, Donald Trump, Oprah Winfrey.... ALL are living the "Dream." geez, what must you people be like who subscribe to this pathetic bromide. I bet your fun at family reunions!

  • March 25, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    ...but when you talk about destruction.....

    by ZodNotGod

    DON'T YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN COUNT ME OUT!!!! YOU KNOW IT'S GONNA BE.....ALL RIGHT!

  • March 25, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    as a great man once said....

    by The Dum Guy

    "You know, they’re schemers. Schemers trying to control their worlds. I’m not a schemer. I try to show the schemers how, pathetic, their attempts to control things really are. So, when I say... nothing personal, you know that I’m telling the truth. It’s the schemers that put you where you are. You were a schemer, you had plans... look where that got you. Nobody panics when things go according to plan. Even if the plan is horrifying. If tomorrow I tell the press that like a gang banger, will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it’s all, part of the plan. Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I’m an agent of chaos. Oh and you know the thing about chaos, it’s fair."

  • March 25, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Oh and Hitler hated the left

    by papabendi

    He blamed the Riechstag burning on them (false flag terroism), which gave the nazi right a major foothold in the public consciouness.

  • March 25, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Do You think if he was a fan of Marx and Engels in any way

    by papabendi

    he'd try and exterminate the Jewish race?

  • March 25, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST

    zodnotgod, I know it's fascism

    by mr.underwater

    But I fear the ranter and raver I was addressing does not

  • March 25, 2012, 4:19 p.m. CST

    badmrwonka

    by brobdingnag

    Pretty much everyone who understood that Nazism and modern liberalism are pretty much the same thing: Identity based collectivism.

  • Never have I seen anything that suggests that being evil is exclusive to either righties or lefties. People from both ends of the spectrum have been evil, and it will always be that way. Labeling them as one or the other is just a way for some people to attack the "other side." Politically, Hitler was definitely a lefty. Everything else about him has nothing to do with politics. Evil is Evil.

  • Just because you don't want to work for a living and you'd rather line up for your bowl of porridge from the United Socialist States of America doesn't mean you can't at least have the NUTS to let people know who you are and what you believe in.

  • March 25, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Anonymous: Of the Pussies, By the Pussies, For the Pussies

    by TheLastCleric

    If guys like emperor are truly the rank and file of this organization then I’d bet Anonymous will go down in the history books as the most pussified, whiny revolutionary movement in history. These guys really do come off like a damp stain on a pair of panties and it’s a shame any documentary filmmaker would waste their time giving these thuggish cunts exposure. These are the types of assholes who will pirate films and software and claim they are liberators of information. I’d have more respect for these fuckwits if they dropped the phony libertarian agenda and admitted they are fucking hackers and thieves who only care about themselves.

  • March 25, 2012, 8:29 p.m. CST

    emperor....you are all over the place

    by Kevin Spellman

    You may make perfect sense but you're presenting yourself in a such a haphazard, clusterfuck 'everyone is dumber than me' way that nobody is going to listen to you. Present your ideas intelligently and cogently and maybe we'll give a fuck.

  • March 25, 2012, 10:26 p.m. CST

    @thelastcleric: A small clarification

    by Emperor

    Almost everything you've written is useless, besides one small point (if it can be called such), so I will clarify (but believe me, I thought at the time this would be obvious): When I wrote that Anonymous are INDEPENDENT of economic-/govermental-/political establishments, this was intended to mean INTELLECTUALLY/MENTALLY independent. Please keep in mind I am not "changing" anything I wrote, merely clarifying. I would hope that all this is doing is merely stating the obvious. Nobody at Anonymous is living under a bridge and nobody (as near as I can tell), wishes to move themselves off the grid. Anonymous does not live in fantasy land, which means, they of course have to work with the tools they have access to. In other words, you can be a "member" of Anonymous in Cambodia, or Peru, or Tibet or even at the North Pole. We are not going to check whether or not you are living "independently" of economic institutions. Please do not be absurd in a vain and pitiful attempt to trying to make some type of point -- you did not make a point, and all I have done is state the obvious. In fact, you could have easily ascertained this, by merely paying attention to what I had written before. Alas, small minds do not have very good memories/attention spans/ability to recognize interrelationships between a myriad of previously established concepts. Anyway, simply for completion purposes (and the goodness of my heart), I did decide to add this bit of clarification to the idiots out there, who cannot decipher the obvious. Once again: We are intellectually independent of the institutions currently established on Earth, thereby we do not recognize them, their laws, their procedures, their "opinions" or their conclusions. If you are going to come back and start further word games with me, please don't bother wasting your time -- I really do have other things to do right now, such as take a big shit, that's been brewing inside my colon throughout this post. Thank you all for your time and efforts.

  • http://tinyurl.com/7ppcnwe

  • March 26, 2012, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Shouldn't Nordling be condeming this film for being propaganda?

    by eveelcapitalist

    Cheap hypocrite. Anonymous are nothing but a bunch of sexless retards and antisemites. But it's fashionable to talk them up, isn't Nordling? After you've pulled your finger out of the wind to see which way it's blowing you can stick it up your ass.

  • March 26, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Intellectually Independent = Intellectually Hollow

    by TheLastCleric

    I can be intellectually independent of gravity but that doesn’t change the fact that I’m bound by it each and every day I walk the earth. You can choose to separate yourself mentally from any number of things, including reality, but that doesn’t change the inescapable and literal construct you occupy. I don’t align myself with any current political system nor do I subscribe to many of the widespread economic practices used daily by conglomerates yet I recognize my place within this world even if I don’t agree with everything that is occurring. When your balls finally drop and you learn to assimilate information beyond the Wikipedia summary page you might discover that intellectualism isn’t so much about what you know as what you’re willing to learn. For all of your bravado and derision towards others about their supposed inferior intellect, nothing you have written strikes me as particularly intelligent. True enlightenment comes from constantly filling oneself with information where by contrast you are an empty vessel sealed tightly while maintaining the requisite amount of delusion to fool yourself into believing you possess of all the answers. Also, I find it amusing that you refuse to address any number of points I’ve made in previous posts including the fact that you list humility as a virtuous lesson yet I haven’t seen a shred of it from you. I rarely post here but your diatribes were such arrogant, illogical nonsense I was inspired to call you out as the weak little mind you clearly are.

  • March 26, 2012, 9:35 a.m. CST

    burnhollywood, I doubt he's Anonymous

    by TheLastCleric

    And if he is and they target me then so be it. I’d love his little Neo Nazi comment to get widespread coverage.

  • March 26, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    What are the fighting for (against?) exactly?

    by ZodNotGod

    If it's for a fair enviroment for job creation here in America and a government that is ethical and concientious of how it spends our taxes and makes the laws- fine. If its for fair and easy access to College and Universities for the underprividedlge and less fortunate, than I say go for it.... But if its just whiners wanting to make things go boom because they are bored and were raised on video games to feed their ADD addictions, FUCK OFF!

  • if it was was to prove a point or a means to an end....perhaps, but for just flash and fury with no purpose, no thanks.

  • March 27, 2012, 5:31 a.m. CST

    @thelastcleric: You are becoming stupider by the post.

    by Emperor

    Another weak and infantile post with no content. You are weak-minded enough to actually believe there is a logical correlation between intellectual independence from Social Institutions vis-a-vis Natural Laws? Your "example" is completely meaningless. As for the rest of your ramblings: It's a content-free monologue.

  • March 27, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Emperor, If my destination is stupidity, you beat me there.

    by TheLastCleric

    I’m assuming the idea behind the notion that I’m getting stupider with every post is that I am on a journey that will eventually result in me reaching an inverse apex of stupidity; a nadir of cognitive skill. If that’s the case I’ll see you at the end because you are easily one of the most profoundly vapid human beings I’ve met on the internet. For all of your numerous references to various lofty philosophical and ideological concepts you clearly have mastery of none of the subjects you allude to and instead rely on bravado and arrogance in hopes of wearing down the reader with rambling prose and thesaurus-infused diatribes that go nowhere. You are purposely cryptic and generally boring and you are literally a casual bit of sport for me as I watch your long-winded manifestos shrink to shorter, personal attacks even though your pseudo-enlightened ass claimed to be leaving the rest of us plebs some time ago. As to natural law, that really has nothing to do with our previous conversation as the issue was your “independence” (first literally and later amended to be mentally manifested) from social institutions and the illogicality of that position as it pertains to the literal construct of reality. See, I can line up fancy words too and mine actually contain this thing we call cohesion which subsequently allows the writer to MAKE A FUCKING COGENT POINT. If you really are part of Anonymous then by all means concisely and clearly explain what it is you and your ilk hope to achieve but spare us all this poser-enlightenment nonsense. You’re fucking hackers, not Gandhi, Dr. King or the Dali Lama.

  • March 27, 2012, 11:51 p.m. CST

    @thelastcleric: My final response to you and your stupidity.

    by Emperor

    You are a terribly lazy brain. Just because I abuse you for all the right reasons, you assume I am resorting to abuse, because I have nothing better to say? You have made numerous (false) assumptions in your poorly written and argued posts. You assume that I read summary pages on Wikipedia. You assume I use a thesaurus when writing on an entertainment forum. You assume that my posts are getting shorter, because I have run out of polemic? How many assumptions have I made about you, besides the fact that you are a dumb-ass? None. Making assumptions about others is a good indication of a struggling, ill-equipped and poorly developed intellect. This is a simple and unarguable fact. Children do it all the time. You do not know anything about my background, so spare me the cheap internet cliches. You're a dime-a-dozen forum contributor, nothing more (I have been on quite a lot of forums in my life, and you're methods are tried and tested: Congratulations, shit-for-brains, you're mediocre.) I expend as much energy into civil discussions as is necessary and worthwhile. If I thought you were an intelligent human being, I would communicate differently with you (irrespective of whether or not you agree with what I have to say). You're just not worthy of anything more. Let's take your previous example, for instance. You lack the mental equipment to actually recognize that I do not have to clarify the "independence" or "intellectual independence" issue, for a keen mind to ascertain the interconnectedness of all related concepts previously established. When I talk about intellectual independence from an arbitrary Social Institution, your degenerate little brain jumps to the conclusion that this must be akin to claiming to be exempt from natural laws (gravity, electromagnetism, biology and so forth). How dumb could you possibly be? Quite the dummy, aren't you? There is no relationship between biological processes that construct ordered Institutions, which are regulated by artificial (human-constructed) legislations as opposed to biological processes regulated by natural laws, such as chemical/physical/biological interactions between matter, energy and consciousness. Your infantile mind might think that humans are a part of nature, therefore nature itself legislates. You fail to recognize the difference between causes and effects. A natural process might cause an unnatural construct (example: I fantasize about a Unicorn with dragon wings and icy breath). This is a fantasy in the realm of nature, but it is not a natural law that manifests within. If you had been even moderately intelligent, you would have immediately grasped what I just wrote to you, before me even bothering to write it. This is why it is easier for me to just label you what you are: A fucking idiot, and be spared any further torment. I did, however, take the time to write this to you, so that you comprehend how impotent you truly are. Unfortunately, you're not even intelligent enough to recognize your own faults and failings, which is why you will stubbornly try to defend your indefensible position. In summary: You are a lazy and mediocre mind, and you have constructed a mediocre little world for yourself to thrive in. You choose to defend your mediocre world (established artificial orders), because you have culminated an identity between yourself and the orders/institutions you readily and unquestioningly serve. Please enjoy it while it lasts, little dunce.

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