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  • March 21, 2012, 9:48 p.m. CST

    first?

    by Broken_Bad

  • March 21, 2012, 9:49 p.m. CST

    first.

    by Broken_Bad

    can't wait.looks awesome.

  • March 21, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST

    awesome

    by DukeofNewYork

    but who the hell would be a Greyjoy?

  • March 21, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Lots of cool new glimpses, other than the Lannister one

    by BlackBauer0320

    Loved the Stark one best, if for no other reason than the direwolf sighting. This season needs more of them! One small complaint about last season was their disappearing act during key plot points.

  • March 21, 2012, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Shit's gonna be rape.

    by Sardonic

  • March 21, 2012, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Ya that looks total gang rape.

    by torontoxic

  • March 21, 2012, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Dude, I would totally be a Greyjoy.

    by Gene Cowan

    They have the coolest banner and the coolest words. "WE DO NOT SOW," son! And I'm not one to spoil things because I hate that, but Theon becomes one of my favorite characters to read about.

  • March 21, 2012, 11:57 p.m. CST

    There's a kickass female Greyjoy

    by Adelai Niska

    But I'll not spoil anything. Love the shot of the direwolf and the one of the flaming sword.

  • March 21, 2012, 11:58 p.m. CST

    The Greyjoys will have a much bigger role this season.

    by Gene Cowan

    Again, no real spoilers here. Don't worry. In book 2, we meet Theon's father, uncles, and some other relatives. It looks like they're making a few alterations for the show, but it should be good stuff all the same. Looking forward to it.

  • March 22, 2012, 12:28 a.m. CST

    If only Renly was cast better in the TV adaptation...

    by Patrick

    ... I might have an easier time believing he is a real badass (as he is portrayed in the books) and actually be able to hold his own in a fight. "Warrior" is not really the first word that comes to mind when you see Gethin Anthony play Renly, who is supposed to be a mirror image of Robert when he was in the prime of his fighting days. I would not complain so much if I could at least see him swing a sword, but I honestly cannot. Oh yeah, the topic of discussion.... I am with the Starks until the end. "Winter is coming"... In 10 days.

  • March 22, 2012, 12:30 a.m. CST

    Victarion is One Of My Favorite Characters In The Whole Thing

    by Crow3711

    Though we won't see him in this season at all I don't think. However, I believe if I had to choose I'd be Baratheon. Stannis all the way.

  • March 22, 2012, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Victarion Greyjoy, That is, For those who don't Know.

    by Crow3711

    I'm just saying, no reason to hate on the Greyjoys. Full of great characters.

  • March 22, 2012, 12:39 a.m. CST

    wtf?! theres other families?

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    i really need to watch this show with subtitles on, a infochart, and just some geeky dude who knows fantasy stuff, because half the shit they talked about i had no idea what they were discussing... anyway, I guess Im team short people (be it arya or tyrion)

  • March 22, 2012, 12:44 a.m. CST

    i just googled... theres even more families?

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    fuuuck, hbo needs to send me a chart come april 1st

  • March 22, 2012, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Stoked

    by Briestro

    10 days. Finally. Good shit!! B

  • March 22, 2012, 1:12 a.m. CST

    I'm sticking by the hard little bitch with the dragons!

    by KongMonkey

    Winter is coming ... so lets warm things up around here.

  • March 22, 2012, 2:03 a.m. CST

    I'd recruit the best of EACH house and make a new super-house

    by ReportAbuse

    To rule Westeros! And the wildlings beyond the wall would serve as our shock troops! BWAHAHAHA!

  • March 22, 2012, 2:05 a.m. CST

    There's a bunch of short vids on YouTube explaining each house

    by ReportAbuse

    From HBO. Separate 3-6 min videos on each house and several of the major characters, some with Martin's commentary.

  • March 22, 2012, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Westeros has seven "Kingdoms", so which are the other 2 Houses?

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    I would have thought the Arryns and the Vale (Cat's loopy sister Lysa and her weakling son) and maybe the Tullys (Cat Stark's family), but those 2 seem to be subsets of other great Houses (like the Tullys seem to be the Stark's Bannermen). So which are the other 2 Houses that form the 2 Kindgoms of the realm?

  • March 22, 2012, 2:40 a.m. CST

    What about House Atreides and House Harkonnen?

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    Oh wait,...... Wrong Sci-Fi/Fantasy series

  • March 22, 2012, 2:52 a.m. CST

    The other two are

    by newc0253

    House Arryn and Martell.

  • March 22, 2012, 2:53 a.m. CST

    kai_mah'gra the 2 great houses missing

    by amin

    house tyrell of the reach and house martell of dorne, house martell has the best motto"unbowed, unbent, unbroken"

  • March 22, 2012, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Dear yourstepdaddy (and anyone who hasn't read the books),

    by Gene Cowan

    You could just read the books, too. I have a friend who is a huge fan of the show but is also an adamant "but it will spoil the rest of the TV series for me" kinda guy. No. Nuh uh. Discovering what happens via the books is more shocking and emotional, IMHO. (Yes, I know, no one has yet seen the series' "WTF" moments on TV so I can't compare, but still.) You won't regret it. I don't care if you don't read, or are a slow reader, or whatever. I was in the same boat, and then gave in to the dark side. Totally worth it. You'll know all the characters, all the history, e'rything. And you won't turn back.

  • March 22, 2012, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Hodor

    by alan_poon

    Hodor.

  • March 22, 2012, 5:19 a.m. CST

    Reading ahead of Season 1 episodes

    by tangcameo

    I couldn't get into the book at first (which is weird because I got into Our Mutual Friend quite easily). Then I got the Season 1 DVDs, saw the first episode and was 100 pages into the book by the end of the day. Only 3 epis in now and I'm halfway through the first book, with Clash Of Kings waiting on my desk for me. Almost tempted to read the whole series before Season 2 finishes, but worried about GRRM overload.

  • March 22, 2012, 5:24 a.m. CST

    The Brienne parts are impossible to get through

    by David Cloverfield

    I started reading Feast for crows five months ago. I always put it aside to read something else. It's a real chore.

  • March 22, 2012, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Reek

    by sideway

    It rhymes with leak. I had to force myself to finish Feast for Crows, but it got more interesting towards the end, and I'm having no trouble with Dance With Dragons, although I'm not burning through it like the first three books.

  • March 22, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST

    What is Dead may never Die

    by skycrapper

    But rises again harder and stronger. I'm a Greyjoy fan. They need someone badass for Victarion. Ray Stevenson would be my pick.

  • The five in the videos are just the ones with some claim to the throne. As of book/season two.

  • March 22, 2012, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Also, Houses are not Kingdoms

    by bah

    The Kingdoms are (I believe): The Vale, The Stormlands, The Reach, The Westerlands, The Iron Islands, The Riverlands, Dorne

  • March 22, 2012, 8:21 a.m. CST

    What is the show gonna do when it gets to

    by spike fan

    the Seasons that Cover Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons. Both books are pure shite where pretty much nothing happens that its obvious that Martin has clearly run out of ideas and is dragging it out for the cash. Hell Dragons is basically a charachter assasination of Tyrion. Hope the show is smart enough to to end the series after Blood and Gold.

  • March 22, 2012, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Winter is Coming!

    by Wcwlkr

    April 1st can't get here fast enough! Love this show and the Starks are beasts! Damn Lannisters! Though you can't deny Tryion Lannister is one of my favorite characters!

  • March 22, 2012, 8:31 a.m. CST

    4 and 5 could be one season -- but yeah, plenty happens

    by bah

    Particularly in the North and East. Plus they give a good look at the Martells and the Boltons. Plus, Qyburn.

  • March 22, 2012, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Two Questions:

    by Timahh

    How do the Greyjoy's factor into this? Did I miss something from season one? How do they have a claim to the throne? Also what did Arya say right before "they say he can't be killed"

  • March 22, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST

    timahh: I'm not sure if their claim is legitimate

    by bah

    And I don't think you missed anything. The first book/show don't get into the Greyjoys much. They become significant in book two, and book four is about 1/3 about them.

  • March 22, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST

    I pledge House Stark.

    by David Hinson

    I havent read the books but I assume they win. Besides, they have wolves, and as we all know wolves are cooler than dragons. Fact.

  • It's almost weird that any of you can even say you enjoy the show. You truly have such a limited picture of whats happening. You have no context of the history or backstory of the kingdoms and the houses, or an context for how many houses, families, and relationships there are. So many of the posts here are so hilariously limited in understanding. How do the greyjoys factor in and what is their claim to the throne? They don't have a claim for the iron throne. They have a claim for the seastone chair, which is their own throne. The greyjoys want to be free from the seven kingdoms, they want independence for their Iron Islands, the same way the starks want freedom for the north. And that's just the beginning of it. We haven't even begun to talk about Dorne yet. The more I consider the books vs the show, I realize the longer the show goes on the more confused everyone who hasn't read the books is gonna get.

  • March 22, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Hahahaha. " I Assume the Starks Win"

    by Crow3711

    This is what I mean. The show isn;t even about the Starks winning, or the Lannisters "being the bad guy". All of you just need to consider the fact that what happened to sean bean is what you should expect from this series. Absolutely nothing happens the way you expect it to, and it is NOT ABOUT what you think its about. It is not about the starks vs the bannisters. it just isn't.

  • March 22, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST

    the claim of the greyjoys

    by amin

    they are vikings on steroids, they claim come through conquest. they take what they want and in the books they have a good collection of badasses, Victarion the terminator of westeros, euron crow eye the evil psycho and asha and her "two kids": her axes. Théon is just a wolf trying too hard to be a kraken.

  • March 22, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    The Greyjoys have more POV chapters than any other family

    by heylookoverthere

  • March 22, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Spikefan

    by Ralph Scifaretto

    Books 4 and 5 are superb. Too pity you are to dumb to get them.

  • March 22, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Spikefan

    by Ralph Scifaretto

    I will repeat that again: Books 4 and 5 are superb. Too bad you are too dumb to get them. The hell.

  • March 22, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST

    April 1st no one better talk to me, I'll be fucking busy

    by kidicarus

  • March 22, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST

    @heylookoverthere , is that counting Jon as a Stark?

    by bah

    If so, I find it hard to believe. But maybe, with AFFC.

  • March 22, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Oh, never mind.

    by bah

    I checked a Wiki, and I guess that must have been a joke. Arya, Catelyn, and Sansa EACH has more than the Greyjoys, never mind Jon, who out of every character is second only to Tyrion.

  • March 22, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST

    I love that last lines in the Baratheon-Clip

    by Mozzerino

    Our war is just beginning!

  • March 22, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST

    We shall see, Renly. We shall see.

    by Mozzerino

    STANNIS 2012!

  • Theon, Asha, And Victarion. Plus there was at least one prologue chapter with aaron damphair. The point is the Greyjoys aren't inconsequential to the story. They're very important. I think of them as like a wild variable to the end game. Who knows what side they'll end up on, but whoever has their strength on their side certainly has an advantage in my opinion. Maybe not a "dragon" advantage. But Victarion ain't no one to fuck with.

  • March 22, 2012, 11:53 a.m. CST

    I didn't get 'warrior' from Renly in the books

    by bah

    He struck me as almost comical, barely taking his war seriously.

  • March 22, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    I'm so happy I can read these talkbacks now. Glad I read the books.

    by Gene Cowan

    The Davos chapters are by far my favorite POV chapters. I do like the Greyjoys too though. I think the Theon chapters from ADwD are some of my other favorites. Reek, reek!

  • March 22, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    What are your guys favorite chapters / POV characters?

    by Gene Cowan

  • I think it was a conversation between Tyrion & Theon (third, maybe fourth episode?). Exposition about how Theon's father started a rebellion, many years before, against King Robert. It was put down, and Theon was sent off to live with the Starks, basically as a hostage to keep Theon's father in line. It's not really a claim to the throne but rather animosity towards the king and being ruled by someone else who doesn't let them do their own thing.

  • she says "They call him the young wolf"

  • March 22, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Victarion and Davos are my Favorite POVs

    by Crow3711

    But the Cersei povs, but as much as I despise her, we're fucking fascinating and engaging, especially during her...(spoilers)....imprisonment and walk of shame. Wow. She has an extremely interesting and paranoid mind. The melisandre chapters with Jon at the wall were also very very interesting. And any chapter with Stannis I just love. Especially towards the end of DwD. That guy is hard as fuck.

  • March 22, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST

    And in the S2 trailer the last thing Arya says is

    by ReportAbuse

    "Anyone can be killed." Which seems to be a continuation of the same dialogue in the clip above.

  • March 22, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST

    big jim

    by amin

    greyjoys are the ultimate badasses of westeros they don't care about law or "claim", they have a culture of conquest and plunder. it is shameful from a man of the isles to have something that was bought. a real iron born will take it from a dead ennemy. their words are " we do not sow" that means waht we want we will take it by force.

  • March 22, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    @bah

    by Patrick

    You have a fair point. He was certainly portrayed as caring more about how he looked in his armor than actually honing his combat prowess. I simply find it very hard to see HBO Renly related to Robert or Stannis.

  • March 22, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Arya is far and away my favorite character

    by bah

    What kind of lady throws a crabapple at someone?

  • March 22, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    (damn quote bug)

    by bah

    The bad kind.

  • March 22, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST

    The Greyjoys

    by Patrick

    I always treated this family, as well as all of those who call the Iron Islands "home", as Medieval pirates. Their sole purpose in life seems to be attack this coastal town; reave, pillage, and rape/steal women; move further down the coast - rinse and repeat. Needless to say, a ruler of a kingdom is not going to be able to allow this sort of thing to happen if he does not wish for his subjects to initiate a revolt. Hence, the Greyjoys have always been kept in check, most recently by Robert almost immediately after he won the Iron Throne. Season 2 will actually introduce us to the Ironborn, whereas we simply heard about them during exposition scenes in Season 1. Should be entertaining! I hope Theon's sister does not disappoint in the show. She was always fun to read in the books.

  • March 22, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    I always though the houses were based on European culture *Spoilers*

    by DougMcKenzie

    Greyjoys = Vikings Starks = Scots Lannisters = English Baratheon = French Tyrells = Dutch Martells = Spanish Targaryens = Romans If I am choosing a House... I choose Targaryen in the end. *Massive Speculative Spoiler Below* I think the three dragons in the end are the real power brokers, and the three Targaryens left: Daenarys, Aegon, and Jon Snow will use them to defeat the White Walkers and reunite the kingdoms under the Iron Throne.

  • March 22, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Actually the seven doesn't include Targaryens anymore

    by DougMcKenzie

    It's Arryns (The Vale), Martells (The Dorne) and Tyrells (The Reach) missing from the seven.

  • March 22, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    funny how annoying the book fans are

    by oisin5199

    A good cinematic work (which this show truly is, despite the fact that it's on tv) should be able to stand on its own. I shouldn't need to read the books. And I don't feel like I'm missing anything. Reading a book is a whole different experience. I'd rather see the entire series and lose myself in the moments, then read the books. I'd rather be unspoiled for the show, then read the books as a separate experience, where I can savor all the detail.

  • March 22, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    As much as I like Victarion Greyjoy

    by skycrapper

    (spoiler) he's headed straight to being dragon food. It's the Crow's Eye who's the real Greyjoy monkey wrench to the grand scheme of things.

  • March 22, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Fuck Yes

    by JustSomeAsshole

    People's heads are going to fucking explode if HBO makes a season 3. When I read that book in 2000, my face melted off like a Raiders of the Lost Ark Nazi. And yes, there is a badass female Greyjoy character, although I got turned off by the description of her thick and wiry pubic hair in A Dance with Dragons. Shave that snatch, whore.

  • March 22, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST

    I Disagree Skycrapper

    by Crow3711

    I feel like that is sort of the obvious way for things to play out, and obvious has not been martins style for the entirety of the series. I really think Victarion is going to form a plan and execute, A-Team style. I also feel like Dany, from what we've learned of her, will take quite a liking to Victarion. He's (mostly) honorable, but also a complete badass and doesn't play by silly rules (Like one Daario Naharis, who she love love loved). I think she might be smitten....and give him a dragon.

  • March 22, 2012, 5:32 p.m. CST

    SPOILER

    by Joe Magilton

    I'm about halfway through AFFC and its (finally!) starting to pick up. It seems like this book is a 'character builder', not nearly as intense as ASOS, but then again just about anything would be a letdown after that. I do find the Brienne chapters tough to get through, although I laugh every time Pod can't decided what to call her. The Dorne chapters also are a wee bit slow, with the exception of one of them so far. As for the Greyjoys, I just don't see it. So far they bore me, even Asha. If memory serves, there hasn't been much Victarion so far. There have been some good points though, like when Sam finally deduced that Jon Snow had switched babies on him and wondered when 'his heart turned cold' and Maester Aemon reminded him 'as soon as YOU made him Lord Commander.'. Aslo, I thought it was cool when Brienne saw the ship that Arya was on and when Sam ran into Arya, not knowing who she was. The rest is pretty tough to get through. To me, it's like watching a Jin & Sun episode of LOST. It's not especially thrilling but you know you have to watch/read it, for the greater good of the whole story.

  • March 22, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST

    crow3711, Nope, Starks still have the most POVs

    by The Goat

    Even if you don't include Jon. Arya, Sansa, Bran, Catelyn, Eddard. Greyjoys and Lannisters have each had 4.

  • March 22, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Insanely awesome spoiler shot in the Greyjoy vid!!

    by The Goat

    Probably shouldn't click on this if you haven't read the second book. But Holy Fuck, they went there. Hard. http://i.imgur.com/9EkYf.jpg

  • March 22, 2012, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Wait, are we talking POV *characters* or POV *chapters*?

    by bah

  • March 22, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Wait again: never mind that, just saw the followup

    by bah

  • March 22, 2012, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Reek, Reek...it rhymes with weak!

    by obijuanmartinez

  • March 22, 2012, 10:03 p.m. CST

    !!!DIREWOLF!!!

    by Tim

  • March 23, 2012, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Damphair had two chapters, no prologue

    by bah

    After all, he's still alive, right? Prologue/epilogue characters are the redshirts of ASOIAF. Anyway, I don't think any *readers* have said the Greyjoys are inconsequential. I'm not sure why this argument arose.

  • March 23, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    @goat, wow, sharp eyes

    by bah

    I didn't doubt they would go there, but yeah, that's some dark stuff.

  • March 23, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    I assume the Starks will prevail

    by JustSomeAsshole

    yeah, that's what I thought too when I was reading through A Game of Thrones for the first time way back in 1997. Even as they led Ned out and pushed his head down and drew his own sword. I assumed, like in every other fantasy novel I had ever read, someone in the crowd would jump to his rescue and save him. Then they chopped his head right the fuck off. Then they put it on a pole and made his daughter look at it. Assume what you want about this story but you will be flat wrong every time. DANCE WITH DRAGONS SPOILER DO NOT READ: I assumed Quentyn Martell was being introduced to reveal some great plot point about an unholy dark alliance with Danaerys and that they would return to Westeros with Dorne behind them and fuck some shit up. That's certainly what Quentyn was thinking too as he went to go see her. Then he got fucking roasted to death by a dragon. That's what happens when you fuck with dragons. Assume nothing, you fucks. By the way, the the three dragons are Dany, Jon Snow and Tyrion. Aegon is an imposter. The witch told Dany that he was a mummer's dragon. But how can Jon Snow, who is a stark, be a dragon? Because his mother was a stark and his daddy was a Targaryen. But how can Tyron, who is a Lannister, be a dragon? Because his mother got fucked by the Mad King. At her own wedding Aerys kept telling Tywin what a pity it was that "First Night" was no longer a tradition, as he wanted to bone her. He eventually did and it produced Tyrion, the third dragon. It is known.

  • March 23, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    @the goat - **Spoiler**

    by jim

    Like Bah said, sharp eyes, well spotted. I was looking at the picture you linked to and looking at the riders thinking "what's spoilery about this?". Can't really tell who they are or where. Having read the books I could guess at the context but didn't really think it needed a spoiler warning to anyone who hadn't read the books. Then my eyes wandered a bit, thought "what the hell is... ? Oh my!"

  • March 23, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST

    @the goat

    by Patrick

    Wow, how did you catch that? That changes my expectations for season 2 somewhat. I forgot that event took place in ACoK. You know the writers are going to fuck with the TV audience and refrain from giving the not-so-subtle hints like GRRM did in the book. They are probably going to mirror it with Ned's execution, thereby pissing off half the fan base yet again. Let's hope David and Dan give us a reprieve and allow the audience to realize it was not what it seemed like. Otherwise, do not expect too many people to show up to watch a hopeful Season 3. Then, of course, we will see the RW. That is when shit gets real, haha.

  • March 23, 2012, 5:41 p.m. CST

    The North Remembers

    by tye dye mann

    http://wpc.556e.edgecastcdn.net/80556E/img.site/PHy8FkWCjN7oBH_1_m.jpg

  • March 23, 2012, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Daaaaamn

    by Joe Magilton

    I looked at that picture three times and didnt catch it, then BAM. Wow...

  • March 24, 2012, 1:29 a.m. CST

    About that spoiler shot (still SPOILERS!)

    by The Goat

    I wish I had found it myself, heard about it on winteriscoming.net, which is a great site for any who've never checked it out. @bah, I was pretty shocked cuz in the books its just the heads, but its so much more gruesome with their little kid bodies hung up like that The next three years of this show are gonna be the greatest television ever

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