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The War Of Five Teasers!!
A Quintet Of Kingly Promos For Houses Lannister, Baratheon, Targaryen, Greyjoy and Stark!!
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can't wait.looks awesome.
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but who the hell would be a Greyjoy?
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March 21, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST
Lots of cool new glimpses, other than the Lannister one
by BlackBauer0320
Loved the Stark one best, if for no other reason than the direwolf sighting. This season needs more of them! One small complaint about last season was their disappearing act during key plot points.
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They have the coolest banner and the coolest words. "WE DO NOT SOW," son! And I'm not one to spoil things because I hate that, but Theon becomes one of my favorite characters to read about.
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But I'll not spoil anything. Love the shot of the direwolf and the one of the flaming sword.
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Again, no real spoilers here. Don't worry. In book 2, we meet Theon's father, uncles, and some other relatives. It looks like they're making a few alterations for the show, but it should be good stuff all the same. Looking forward to it.
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... I might have an easier time believing he is a real badass (as he is portrayed in the books) and actually be able to hold his own in a fight. "Warrior" is not really the first word that comes to mind when you see Gethin Anthony play Renly, who is supposed to be a mirror image of Robert when he was in the prime of his fighting days. I would not complain so much if I could at least see him swing a sword, but I honestly cannot. Oh yeah, the topic of discussion.... I am with the Starks until the end. "Winter is coming"... In 10 days.
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March 22, 2012, 12:30 a.m. CST
Victarion is One Of My Favorite Characters In The Whole Thing
by Crow3711
Though we won't see him in this season at all I don't think. However, I believe if I had to choose I'd be Baratheon. Stannis all the way.
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I'm just saying, no reason to hate on the Greyjoys. Full of great characters.
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i really need to watch this show with subtitles on, a infochart, and just some geeky dude who knows fantasy stuff, because half the shit they talked about i had no idea what they were discussing... anyway, I guess Im team short people (be it arya or tyrion)
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fuuuck, hbo needs to send me a chart come april 1st
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10 days. Finally. Good shit!! B
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Winter is coming ... so lets warm things up around here.
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March 22, 2012, 2:03 a.m. CST
I'd recruit the best of EACH house and make a new super-house
by ReportAbuse
To rule Westeros! And the wildlings beyond the wall would serve as our shock troops! BWAHAHAHA!
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March 22, 2012, 2:05 a.m. CST
There's a bunch of short vids on YouTube explaining each house
by ReportAbuse
From HBO. Separate 3-6 min videos on each house and several of the major characters, some with Martin's commentary.
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March 22, 2012, 2:29 a.m. CST
Westeros has seven "Kingdoms", so which are the other 2 Houses?
by Kai_Mah'gra
I would have thought the Arryns and the Vale (Cat's loopy sister Lysa and her weakling son) and maybe the Tullys (Cat Stark's family), but those 2 seem to be subsets of other great Houses (like the Tullys seem to be the Stark's Bannermen). So which are the other 2 Houses that form the 2 Kindgoms of the realm?
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Oh wait,...... Wrong Sci-Fi/Fantasy series
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House Arryn and Martell.
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house tyrell of the reach and house martell of dorne, house martell has the best motto"unbowed, unbent, unbroken"
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March 22, 2012, 2:54 a.m. CST
Dear yourstepdaddy (and anyone who hasn't read the books),
by Gene Cowan
You could just read the books, too. I have a friend who is a huge fan of the show but is also an adamant "but it will spoil the rest of the TV series for me" kinda guy. No. Nuh uh. Discovering what happens via the books is more shocking and emotional, IMHO. (Yes, I know, no one has yet seen the series' "WTF" moments on TV so I can't compare, but still.) You won't regret it. I don't care if you don't read, or are a slow reader, or whatever. I was in the same boat, and then gave in to the dark side. Totally worth it. You'll know all the characters, all the history, e'rything. And you won't turn back.
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Hodor.
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I couldn't get into the book at first (which is weird because I got into Our Mutual Friend quite easily). Then I got the Season 1 DVDs, saw the first episode and was 100 pages into the book by the end of the day. Only 3 epis in now and I'm halfway through the first book, with Clash Of Kings waiting on my desk for me. Almost tempted to read the whole series before Season 2 finishes, but worried about GRRM overload.
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I started reading Feast for crows five months ago. I always put it aside to read something else. It's a real chore.
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It rhymes with leak. I had to force myself to finish Feast for Crows, but it got more interesting towards the end, and I'm having no trouble with Dance With Dragons, although I'm not burning through it like the first three books.
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But rises again harder and stronger. I'm a Greyjoy fan. They need someone badass for Victarion. Ray Stevenson would be my pick.
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March 22, 2012, 8:16 a.m. CST
Martell, Tyrell, Swann, Connington, Frey, Arryn, Tully, Bolton, Westerling, Mormont
by bah
The five in the videos are just the ones with some claim to the throne. As of book/season two.
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The Kingdoms are (I believe): The Vale, The Stormlands, The Reach, The Westerlands, The Iron Islands, The Riverlands, Dorne
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the Seasons that Cover Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons. Both books are pure shite where pretty much nothing happens that its obvious that Martin has clearly run out of ideas and is dragging it out for the cash. Hell Dragons is basically a charachter assasination of Tyrion. Hope the show is smart enough to to end the series after Blood and Gold.
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April 1st can't get here fast enough! Love this show and the Starks are beasts! Damn Lannisters! Though you can't deny Tryion Lannister is one of my favorite characters!
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Particularly in the North and East. Plus they give a good look at the Martells and the Boltons. Plus, Qyburn.
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How do the Greyjoy's factor into this? Did I miss something from season one? How do they have a claim to the throne? Also what did Arya say right before "they say he can't be killed"
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And I don't think you missed anything. The first book/show don't get into the Greyjoys much. They become significant in book two, and book four is about 1/3 about them.
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I havent read the books but I assume they win. Besides, they have wolves, and as we all know wolves are cooler than dragons. Fact.
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March 22, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST
It's Almost Funny How Much of The Series "TV Show Only" People Do Not UNderstand
by Crow3711
It's almost weird that any of you can even say you enjoy the show. You truly have such a limited picture of whats happening. You have no context of the history or backstory of the kingdoms and the houses, or an context for how many houses, families, and relationships there are. So many of the posts here are so hilariously limited in understanding. How do the greyjoys factor in and what is their claim to the throne? They don't have a claim for the iron throne. They have a claim for the seastone chair, which is their own throne. The greyjoys want to be free from the seven kingdoms, they want independence for their Iron Islands, the same way the starks want freedom for the north. And that's just the beginning of it. We haven't even begun to talk about Dorne yet. The more I consider the books vs the show, I realize the longer the show goes on the more confused everyone who hasn't read the books is gonna get.
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This is what I mean. The show isn;t even about the Starks winning, or the Lannisters "being the bad guy". All of you just need to consider the fact that what happened to sean bean is what you should expect from this series. Absolutely nothing happens the way you expect it to, and it is NOT ABOUT what you think its about. It is not about the starks vs the bannisters. it just isn't.
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they are vikings on steroids, they claim come through conquest. they take what they want and in the books they have a good collection of badasses, Victarion the terminator of westeros, euron crow eye the evil psycho and asha and her "two kids": her axes. Théon is just a wolf trying too hard to be a kraken.
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March 22, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST
The Greyjoys have more POV chapters than any other family
by heylookoverthere
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Books 4 and 5 are superb. Too pity you are to dumb to get them.
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I will repeat that again: Books 4 and 5 are superb. Too bad you are too dumb to get them. The hell.
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March 22, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST
April 1st no one better talk to me, I'll be fucking busy
by kidicarus
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If so, I find it hard to believe. But maybe, with AFFC.
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I checked a Wiki, and I guess that must have been a joke. Arya, Catelyn, and Sansa EACH has more than the Greyjoys, never mind Jon, who out of every character is second only to Tyrion.
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Our war is just beginning!
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STANNIS 2012!
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March 22, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST
Character Wise, Not individual Chapter Wise, Greyjoys are Tied I Think
by Crow3711
Theon, Asha, And Victarion. Plus there was at least one prologue chapter with aaron damphair. The point is the Greyjoys aren't inconsequential to the story. They're very important. I think of them as like a wild variable to the end game. Who knows what side they'll end up on, but whoever has their strength on their side certainly has an advantage in my opinion. Maybe not a "dragon" advantage. But Victarion ain't no one to fuck with.
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He struck me as almost comical, barely taking his war seriously.
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March 22, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST
I'm so happy I can read these talkbacks now. Glad I read the books.
by Gene Cowan
The Davos chapters are by far my favorite POV chapters. I do like the Greyjoys too though. I think the Theon chapters from ADwD are some of my other favorites. Reek, reek!
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March 22, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST
re: "How do the Greyjoy's factor into this? Did I miss something from season one? How do they have a claim to the throne?"
by jim
I think it was a conversation between Tyrion & Theon (third, maybe fourth episode?). Exposition about how Theon's father started a rebellion, many years before, against King Robert. It was put down, and Theon was sent off to live with the Starks, basically as a hostage to keep Theon's father in line. It's not really a claim to the throne but rather animosity towards the king and being ruled by someone else who doesn't let them do their own thing.
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March 22, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST
re: "what did Arya say right before "they say he can't be killed" "
by jim
she says "They call him the young wolf"
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But the Cersei povs, but as much as I despise her, we're fucking fascinating and engaging, especially during her...(spoilers)....imprisonment and walk of shame. Wow. She has an extremely interesting and paranoid mind. The melisandre chapters with Jon at the wall were also very very interesting. And any chapter with Stannis I just love. Especially towards the end of DwD. That guy is hard as fuck.
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"Anyone can be killed." Which seems to be a continuation of the same dialogue in the clip above.
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greyjoys are the ultimate badasses of westeros they don't care about law or "claim", they have a culture of conquest and plunder. it is shameful from a man of the isles to have something that was bought. a real iron born will take it from a dead ennemy. their words are " we do not sow" that means waht we want we will take it by force.
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You have a fair point. He was certainly portrayed as caring more about how he looked in his armor than actually honing his combat prowess. I simply find it very hard to see HBO Renly related to Robert or Stannis.
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March 22, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST
I agree that he's a bit lanky compared to the grizzled and bulky (in different ways) Stannis and Robert
by bah
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What kind of lady throws a crabapple at someone?
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The bad kind.
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I always treated this family, as well as all of those who call the Iron Islands "home", as Medieval pirates. Their sole purpose in life seems to be attack this coastal town; reave, pillage, and rape/steal women; move further down the coast - rinse and repeat. Needless to say, a ruler of a kingdom is not going to be able to allow this sort of thing to happen if he does not wish for his subjects to initiate a revolt. Hence, the Greyjoys have always been kept in check, most recently by Robert almost immediately after he won the Iron Throne. Season 2 will actually introduce us to the Ironborn, whereas we simply heard about them during exposition scenes in Season 1. Should be entertaining! I hope Theon's sister does not disappoint in the show. She was always fun to read in the books.
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March 22, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST
I always though the houses were based on European culture *Spoilers*
by DougMcKenzie
Greyjoys = Vikings Starks = Scots Lannisters = English Baratheon = French Tyrells = Dutch Martells = Spanish Targaryens = Romans If I am choosing a House... I choose Targaryen in the end. *Massive Speculative Spoiler Below* I think the three dragons in the end are the real power brokers, and the three Targaryens left: Daenarys, Aegon, and Jon Snow will use them to defeat the White Walkers and reunite the kingdoms under the Iron Throne.
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It's Arryns (The Vale), Martells (The Dorne) and Tyrells (The Reach) missing from the seven.
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A good cinematic work (which this show truly is, despite the fact that it's on tv) should be able to stand on its own. I shouldn't need to read the books. And I don't feel like I'm missing anything. Reading a book is a whole different experience. I'd rather see the entire series and lose myself in the moments, then read the books. I'd rather be unspoiled for the show, then read the books as a separate experience, where I can savor all the detail.
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(spoiler) he's headed straight to being dragon food. It's the Crow's Eye who's the real Greyjoy monkey wrench to the grand scheme of things.
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People's heads are going to fucking explode if HBO makes a season 3. When I read that book in 2000, my face melted off like a Raiders of the Lost Ark Nazi. And yes, there is a badass female Greyjoy character, although I got turned off by the description of her thick and wiry pubic hair in A Dance with Dragons. Shave that snatch, whore.
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I feel like that is sort of the obvious way for things to play out, and obvious has not been martins style for the entirety of the series. I really think Victarion is going to form a plan and execute, A-Team style. I also feel like Dany, from what we've learned of her, will take quite a liking to Victarion. He's (mostly) honorable, but also a complete badass and doesn't play by silly rules (Like one Daario Naharis, who she love love loved). I think she might be smitten....and give him a dragon.
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I'm about halfway through AFFC and its (finally!) starting to pick up. It seems like this book is a 'character builder', not nearly as intense as ASOS, but then again just about anything would be a letdown after that. I do find the Brienne chapters tough to get through, although I laugh every time Pod can't decided what to call her. The Dorne chapters also are a wee bit slow, with the exception of one of them so far. As for the Greyjoys, I just don't see it. So far they bore me, even Asha. If memory serves, there hasn't been much Victarion so far. There have been some good points though, like when Sam finally deduced that Jon Snow had switched babies on him and wondered when 'his heart turned cold' and Maester Aemon reminded him 'as soon as YOU made him Lord Commander.'. Aslo, I thought it was cool when Brienne saw the ship that Arya was on and when Sam ran into Arya, not knowing who she was. The rest is pretty tough to get through. To me, it's like watching a Jin & Sun episode of LOST. It's not especially thrilling but you know you have to watch/read it, for the greater good of the whole story.
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Even if you don't include Jon. Arya, Sansa, Bran, Catelyn, Eddard. Greyjoys and Lannisters have each had 4.
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Probably shouldn't click on this if you haven't read the second book. But Holy Fuck, they went there. Hard. http://i.imgur.com/9EkYf.jpg
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After all, he's still alive, right? Prologue/epilogue characters are the redshirts of ASOIAF. Anyway, I don't think any *readers* have said the Greyjoys are inconsequential. I'm not sure why this argument arose.
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I didn't doubt they would go there, but yeah, that's some dark stuff.
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yeah, that's what I thought too when I was reading through A Game of Thrones for the first time way back in 1997. Even as they led Ned out and pushed his head down and drew his own sword. I assumed, like in every other fantasy novel I had ever read, someone in the crowd would jump to his rescue and save him. Then they chopped his head right the fuck off. Then they put it on a pole and made his daughter look at it. Assume what you want about this story but you will be flat wrong every time. DANCE WITH DRAGONS SPOILER DO NOT READ: I assumed Quentyn Martell was being introduced to reveal some great plot point about an unholy dark alliance with Danaerys and that they would return to Westeros with Dorne behind them and fuck some shit up. That's certainly what Quentyn was thinking too as he went to go see her. Then he got fucking roasted to death by a dragon. That's what happens when you fuck with dragons. Assume nothing, you fucks. By the way, the the three dragons are Dany, Jon Snow and Tyrion. Aegon is an imposter. The witch told Dany that he was a mummer's dragon. But how can Jon Snow, who is a stark, be a dragon? Because his mother was a stark and his daddy was a Targaryen. But how can Tyron, who is a Lannister, be a dragon? Because his mother got fucked by the Mad King. At her own wedding Aerys kept telling Tywin what a pity it was that "First Night" was no longer a tradition, as he wanted to bone her. He eventually did and it produced Tyrion, the third dragon. It is known.
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Like Bah said, sharp eyes, well spotted. I was looking at the picture you linked to and looking at the riders thinking "what's spoilery about this?". Can't really tell who they are or where. Having read the books I could guess at the context but didn't really think it needed a spoiler warning to anyone who hadn't read the books. Then my eyes wandered a bit, thought "what the hell is... ? Oh my!"
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Wow, how did you catch that? That changes my expectations for season 2 somewhat. I forgot that event took place in ACoK. You know the writers are going to fuck with the TV audience and refrain from giving the not-so-subtle hints like GRRM did in the book. They are probably going to mirror it with Ned's execution, thereby pissing off half the fan base yet again. Let's hope David and Dan give us a reprieve and allow the audience to realize it was not what it seemed like. Otherwise, do not expect too many people to show up to watch a hopeful Season 3. Then, of course, we will see the RW. That is when shit gets real, haha.
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http://wpc.556e.edgecastcdn.net/80556E/img.site/PHy8FkWCjN7oBH_1_m.jpg
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I looked at that picture three times and didnt catch it, then BAM. Wow...
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I wish I had found it myself, heard about it on winteriscoming.net, which is a great site for any who've never checked it out. @bah, I was pretty shocked cuz in the books its just the heads, but its so much more gruesome with their little kid bodies hung up like that The next three years of this show are gonna be the greatest television ever
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