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AICN COMICS Q&@: Bug watches Writer Len Wein watch the Watchmen with BEFORE WATCHMEN!!!

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Q’s by Ambush Bug!

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Len Wein!!!

Ambush Bug here with another AICN COMICS Q&@. So you read the JMS interview and you’re hungry for more Watchmen? Well, I’ve got more Watchmen for you! I had a chance to have another one of the BEFORE WATCHMEN writers, Len Wein, who worked with Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons on the original miniseries, answer some questions about his contribution to the event—two stories: the OZYMANDIAS miniseries and THE CURSE OF THE CRIMSON CORSAIR bonus story which runs throughout the entire series of miniseries. Here’s what Mr. Wein had to say…

AMBUSH BUG (BUG): How did DC approach you with the idea for BEFORE WATCHMEN? Or did you approach them?


LEN WEIN (LW): They snuck up behind me when I wasn't looking. No, actually, Dan DiDio approached at some Con last year (I forget which one) and told me what DC was planning and asked if I'd be interested in being involved. I, of course, was.

BUG: You're doing the OZYMANDIAS and CURSE OF THE CRIMSON CORSAIR parts of this event; can you tell me how you approached these two very different angles of the Watchmen story?

LW: In very different manners and styles, of course. The Ozymandias story forms what will become the spine of the original Watchmen book, while the Crimson Corsair is a horror story from one of the other pirate books DC published in this alternate universe during the late '60s. Also, the Crimson Corsair story will be presented predominantly in two page segments in every one of the before Watchmen books, thus forcing me to design a story that has a cliffhanger ending of sorts every two pages. And that, trust me, ain't easy.

BUG: Does it help in writing these characters that you played a part in the original miniseries?

LW: Absolutely. It's sort of like coming home again and revisiting old friends.

BUG: What do you say to folks who think the Watchmen Universe shouldn't be touched and that it is perfect as is?

LW: Pretty much the same thing the late, great mystery novelist James M. Cain replied when asks what he thought of what Hollywood had done to his novels like DOUBLE INDENMITY and THE POSTMAN ALWAYS RINGS TWICE when they were made into movies. Cain gestured to a bookshelf behind him and said "Hollywood did nothing to my books. They're right there on the shelf behind me exactly as I wrote them." Those uninterested in what we are doing will not likely be dissuaded; everyone else is gonna have a grand time with these books.

BUG: Can folks who haven't read the WATCHMEN enjoy this series, or would it be a good idea to check out the series before reading?

LW: Absolutely these books can be read on their own, but reading the original graphic novel will add all sorts of layers to what you're reading.

BUG: Ozymandias is such a weaselly character. What's your miniseries with him going to be about?

LW: Well, I could tell you but then, of course, I'd have to kill you. I'm afraid you'll just have to wait until the series premieres to find out.

BUG: Were you in contact at all with Alan Moore or Dave Gibbons while putting these stories together?

LW: Not at all, unfortunately. Dave wished us the best with what we're doing, while Alan...well, you know.

BUG: How do you feel THE TALES OF THE BLACK FREIGHTER fit into the Watchmen storyline and how does THE CURSE OF THE CRIMSON CORSAIR relate?

LW: The BLACK FREIGHTER story served as both parallel and counterpoint to the original WATCHMEN series. The CRIMSON CORSAIR story pretty much stands on its own, while reflecting elements of the other stories.

BUG: In your opinion, what worked and what didn't work with the WATCHMEN movie?

LW: There are spectacular moments in the film, but sometimes I felt it hewed too closely to the book to make for a good film. I also thought the fight scenes were a trifle more brutal than they needed to be.

BUG: What steps are you making to ensure that the mistakes made in the film aren't made in this revisit to the WATCHMEN Universe?

LW: By doing the best work I'm humanly capable of doing, of course.

BUG: Other than your own, which is the BEFORE WATCHMEN series you're looking forward to reading the most?

LW: To be honest, from what I've seen, I'm looking forward to all of them. But, as a big fan of the old '40s comics like ALL-STAR COMICS, I'm really excited to read the MINUTEMEN.

BUG: Last chance: why should folks check out OZYMANDIAS and the rest of the BEFORE WATCHMEN miniseries?

LW: Because, otherwise, they're going to be missing some of the most extraordinary comics work of this or any other year. As an old friend and mentor of mine used to like to say, "'Nuff Said!"

BUG: Thanks so much for taking the time to talk about BEFORE WATCHMEN.

LW: Thank you.

BUG: I can’t wait to check out all of the books including Wein’s OZYMANDIAS and THE CURSE OF THE CRIMSON CORSAIR bonus story when they hit the stands in June!!!

Ambush Bug is Mark L. Miller, original @$$Hole/wordslinger/reviewer/co-editor of AICN Comics for over ten years. He has written comics such as MUSCLES & FIGHTS, MUSCLES & FRIGHTS, VINCENT PRICE PRESENTS TINGLERS & WITCHFINDER GENERAL, THE DEATHSPORT GAMES, WONDERLAND ANNUAL 2010 & NANNY & HANK (soon to be made into a feature film from Uptown 6 Films). He is also a regular writer for FAMOUS MONSTERS OF FILMLAND & has co-written their first ever comic book LUNA: ORDER OF THE WEREWOLF (to be released in October 2012 as an 100-pg original graphic novel). Mark has just announced his new comic book miniseries GRIMM FAIRY TALES PRESENTS THE JUNGLE BOOK from Zenescope Entertainment to be released in March 2012.


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  • March 15, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    This is all very shameless

    by Felix the Taster

    And points to the creative paucity of the comics industry.

  • March 15, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Question:

    by phifty2

    Even Watchmen wasn't about the Watchmen (as a team). And this before thing seems to be about each character individually. Is there going to be a book that is actually about the Watchmen as a group?

  • March 15, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    I'm not as enflamed as others about this idea

    by Kammich

    Maybe I'm just a bit easy-going, but my stance on this "Watchmen" prequel is pretty much the same stance I take on things like remakes and reboots. If it sucks... I'll just discard it, and ignore that it ever happened. If it actually manages to be GOOD... well, yay for me. And I will admit: there is definitely a part of me that is interested in some new tales involving Rorschach and co. I just wish it was Alan Moore doing the writing, but oh well. I kind of love the idea of Darwyn Cooke doing a story on the Minutemen, though.

  • March 15, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    @kammich

    by Joe Damiani

    too bad more people don't take your philosophy to heart. a great number seem to take remakes and sequels way too personally

  • March 15, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Well said, Kammich.

    by oaser

    I'm more curious than angry. I look forward to seeing if DC can pull this off; if they do, it'll be the story of the decade. That said, I fucking hate Jae Lee's art.

  • March 15, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Will the depth of the original be there?

    by Shankapotomus

    Obviously, there's a lot of social commentary in Watchmen. Among other things, it questions our need to make heros of what are essentially ultra-violent, semi-fascist vigilantes who ultimately turn out to be more dangerous than the criminals they claim to fight. Each character is flawed and human and are in many ways anti-heros. Will these play as straight up origin story, goodguy/badguy, superhero fare? Or can they mine that vein that makes the original still relevant 25 years later. I'm happy to find out. But will abandon it quickly if they miss the mark too wide.

  • March 15, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    I wonder if they approached any creators with the integrity to say "no"

    by rev_skarekroe

    Probably not. You don't see that very often outside of the underground creators.

  • March 15, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST

    rev_skarekroe

    by oaser

    Dave Gibbons passed on it.

  • March 15, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST

    What JMS interview? Link, anyone?

    by Ditko

    Pretty please?

  • March 15, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Fuck Alan Moore...

    by sjfatty

    If Alan Moore doesn't wanna tell these stories, he doesn't have to, and I'm glad because I wanna see new adventures of the Comedian... I mean, the guy was around from since like 1927 to 1985. I think there's a few more stories left to tell that weren't covered in Watchmen...

  • March 15, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Fuck this

    by Xen11

    Where's Dr. Manhattan when you need him?

  • March 15, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Great interview with Alan Moore about this bullshit

    by deathrecords

    Alan Moore knows the score: http://www.seraphemera.org/seraphemera_books/Alan_Moore_Interview.html

  • BY STEALING AND FUCKING THEIR WORK.

  • Moore was a great writer in the 80s. Love his watchmen, swamp thing and Killing Joke to death, BUT hes a self righteous cunt these days! Fuck his opinion!

  • March 15, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    I loved the "Watchmen"

    by Hipshot

    And look forward to this. The idea that "there's no more creativity in comic books" is just nuts. There is no genre of creativity, throughout human history, that hasn't re-used images and re-told stories. The only question is how well you do it. ## As for Ozymandias, there is one question to decide what and who he really is: would he have been willing to die to accomplish his aim? This would tell you whether he was trying to help the world, or gather power into his own hands. Since we don't know the answer to that question...we just don't know what he really is. Which is just uber-cool, in my mind. I know Len Wein (socially, not personally. I always confuse him with Marv Wolfman, dammit). He's a very good, smart guy. I want to see what he's done.

  • March 15, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Do I agree that they shouldn't be doing them? Yes.

    by Kill List Hammertime

    Am I gonna buy them? Fuck yes.

  • March 15, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST

    The comic industry has needed to get over Watchmen for a long, long time

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Hopefully turning it into another bullshit franchise of total hackery will help everyone to get their brains out of 1986.

  • March 15, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    It's not Watchmen if Mr. Moore didn't write it - pass!

    by obijuanmartinez

  • March 15, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST

    phifty2...

    by Mikey Wood

    In answer to your question: There will never be a story about the Watchmen team because there was no Watchmen team. The book is called "Watchmen". Not "THE Watchmen" because the title and term refers to the concept of 'those in charge'. The 'Who's Watching the Watchmen' phrase means simply: "Who is paying attention to those who are paying attention to us". The main characters never refer to themselves as 'The Watchmen" in the entirity of the series. It's a very common misconception, actually, that Watchmen is the name of the team. It was the Minutemen and that was it. The second attempt at forming a team (led by Captain Metropolis) failed. That being said: I am a HUGE fan of the original and I think all of these books look really interesting. I'm excited to read them.

  • start your own Comic company. Publishing costs were what kept them in power. And copyright laws. Create new characters.

  • March 15, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Just because Stan Lee and Ditko

    by TheGangBangTheory

    created/originated Spider-Man, or Bob Kane created Batman, does not mean nobody else should write for those characters. As a matter of fact, thousands of artists and writers have, and they are still great characters. So stop fucking whining that the freaky weird-beard Moore is not working on them. They are great characters, but they are not HIS characters. They are rip-offs of existing characters is all. They are NOT holy or precious. Just fucking comic book characters. I love Watchmen, and would be happy to read these. They might be the first new comics I buy in years!

  • March 15, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    deathrecords

    by Industrious Angel

    thanks for the link, great interview!

  • March 15, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    gangbangtheory...'ahem'

    by Michael

  • March 15, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST

    gangbangtheory...'ahem'

    by Michael

    The difference is that Watchmen was conceived and written as a finite series...your examples weren't. The tale was told, there is no need for more.

  • March 15, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST

    greed, thegangbangtheory...

    by Mikey Wood

    ..considering the characters in WATCHMEN weren't really Moore's to begin with...they were originally meant to be the recently-acquired-by-DC former Charlton comics characters: Nite Owl = Blue Beetle Rorschach = The Question Dr. Manhattan = Captain Atom Silk Spectre = Niteshade The Comedian = Peacemaker Ozymandias = Thunderbolt ...I don't see how he really has the right to be so fired up about new tales based on these pastiches. I wonder if Bram Stoker, Robert Louis Stevenson, H.G. Wells, Jules Verne, and H. Rider Haggard rolled over in their graves and shouted "How DARE he?!" when Moore wrote LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN. I love Alan Moore's work. He's a cranky son of a bitch, though.

  • March 15, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST

    I mean "AGREED", btw.

    by Mikey Wood

  • ... unless you have some kind of double secret probation deal with them. Going in, you know this. Artists get their original art back, but that doesn't mean the drawings are theirs to do anything with other than keep or sell. It's not like Alan Moore was some novice that walked off of the street and naively gave DC his ideas without knowing the consequences, no matter what his characters were based on. I hate the fact that they totally rebooted Spider-Man. It's not the Spider-Man I grew up with and, you know what? Big Deal. Marvel could do what they want with him. He is theirs. Not Stan Lee's, not Steve Ditko's, theirs. Now, I just haven't read a Spider-Man comic since. Life goes on.

  • March 15, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    I might pick up the first Cooke comic to see how it is --

    by MooseMalloy

    -- but I can't imagine buying any of these in their entirety. Shit I still need to pick up NIGHT FORCE #1.

  • March 15, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    re: Minutemen

    by Larry Sellers

    That same thing really bugs me, that people sometimes refer to the TEAM as Watchmen. But fyi the second generation of the Minutemen was actually called the Crimebusters. That was one of the main things that bugged me about the movie. The book title of Watchmen and the recurring "Who Watches the Watchmen?" weren't literal references at all to the team.

  • March 15, 2012, 3 p.m. CST

    mikeywood, your comments end this arguement, bravo

    by JackSlater4

  • March 15, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST

    What about a Sandman without Gaiman?

    by Sinestro

    Brilliant.

  • March 15, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Comic-book fans who support the comic industry

    by KilliK

    which gangrapes the brilliant work of comic titans like Alan Moore while refusing to give it back to its rightful owner,SHOULD BE FUCKING ASHAMED.

  • March 15, 2012, 3:29 p.m. CST

    @mikeywood

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    1) Moore created the Watchmen characters as pastiches of the Charlton heroes out of respect for Dick Giordano, the still-living writer/editor responsible for their creation. Since he wasn't beholden to the exact histories of the Charlton group, he had total artistic freedom to create the most memorable comic of the 80s. 2) Moore chose the main characters of THE LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN from the public domain. Public domain means that the original creators are dead and their copyrights have expired. Moore is still living and would have the copyright for WATCHMEN if the book had gone out of print within a year of the publication of WATCHMEN #12 -- a reasonable expectation in the mid-80s comic market.

  • So it doesnt surprise me that this was his idea. Same for Jim Lee-Lee is a damn fine artist,but that doesnt mean he should be pulling the strings and making the business decisions at DC. Same goes for Geoff Johns(who apparently meddled quite a bit in the production of the GREEN LANTERN movie). DC is full of inmates running the asylum now that the old guys have all now retired and/or died. Didio should have been replaced YEARS ago,but since WB doesnt give a damn about the comics end of the business as long as they have IP's to franchise,I dont see him going away anytime soon...which is a shame,because if anyone can kill off DC's publishing department,it'll be Didio....who will then try to blame the changing times and internet piracy instead of taking responsibility for his own fuckwittery.

  • March 15, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST

    What a Douche

    by Read and Shut Up

    I used to really enjoy Len Wein's stuff when he wrote for Marvel. But man, does he come off like an uppity douche in this article. For contrast, read J. Michael Straczynski's take on the Watchmen preludes - the dude's much more grounded and humble.

  • March 15, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST

    I'm with kammich here.

    by gotilk

    If it's good, why the hell not. If it's not, discard it. It doesn't make Watchmen worse.

  • March 15, 2012, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Just to compare, Sandman by Gaiman...

    by Kill List Hammertime

    ...was responsible for Lucifer, a series by a different creator that I think nearly equals the brilliance of Gaiman.

  • March 15, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    This is a travesty beyond travesties

    by Autodidact

    Fuck off comics. I quit you.

  • The original story was god damn excellent and really changed how I viewed comic books in general. To put it this way, at the time I read the book I kind of hated it since I was a huge fan of things like Punisher, Spiderman, etc. It wasnt till I reread it a few years later that I really respected what it had tried to do and pulled off so freaking well! But really, what will these comics add to the actual mythos aside from a few more adventures with owlman or showing the Comedian being a fascist prick to people. Or maybe they'll show us the Comedian was a nice guy afterall, Ozzy was a pedo, and other such nonsense.

  • March 15, 2012, 4:19 p.m. CST

    sjfatty

    by Felix the Taster

    Why would you want to see more adventures of the Comedian? He was a horrible rapist, who shot pregnant women in the belly. Pregnant with his kid. He was a great character in the original but Moore was using him to make a point about corrupt America. The idea that there might be more stories about him once that point is made is laughable. How many rapes do you need to see? He's not Wolverine.

  • March 15, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST

    and the movie was better than the comic

    by JackSlater4

  • March 15, 2012, 8:05 p.m. CST

    by VicBStard

    Apparently Kevin Smith said no.

  • March 15, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Will the depth of the original be there?

    by Majin Fu

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • March 15, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST

    A scab by any other name....

    by Jobacca

    Is still a scab.

  • March 15, 2012, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Moore and Creativity

    by Gislef_crow

    When it comes to creativity, what does it matter whether Moore uses characters that are in the public domain or not?

  • March 16, 2012, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Gaiman, thankfully, has never been so precious about his work

    by Jaka

    Any of it. In any field. But clearly, Neil Gaiman and Alan Moore are not the same people. I respect Moore's opinions regarding this project pretty much across the board. However, I also respect the rights of those who own the properties to do whatever the hell they want with them. As someone else mentioned, and as Moore has already done many times over, create new characters. No need to get all in a bunch about the original Watchmen series as it will ALWAYS be out there, unchanged, waiting to be read.

  • March 16, 2012, 12:12 a.m. CST

    I hate the Before Watchmen title, though

    by Jaka

    It feels like a unnecessary jab. Just call the books by their names and leave that bit off.

  • March 16, 2012, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Bug.... you called this an "event".

    by Jaka

    Ugh.

  • ...about those contracts; why the fuck didn't this supposedly brilliant, forward-thinking man read then and see them for what they were. He knew the history of comic books. He knew the history of contracts screwing people in the comic book field over. He certainly knew the history of work for hire and had done quite a bit of it himself at the time. <p> Look, I dig Alan Moore. I went to great lengths to explain why I dig Alan Moore in a recent talkback. But he sounds a bit off when he goes on about how evil DC was with those original Watchmen contracts. He signed them. DC still holds the rights to some of his works BECAUSE he signed them. I can't blame them for taking advantage of their legal rights in this regard. <p> That doesn't mean that I don't I understand his clear hatred of the way they did/do business. I do. But they ARE a business. By definition and purpose they exist to make money. If they can do that with Watchmen, they're going to. The only thing I'm surprised about is that it's taken them this long to get around to it.

  • March 16, 2012, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Heres the thing about Alan Moores/Dave Gibbons DC contracts...

    by Jobacca

    Yes,they were aware that those contracts favored the company on the front end. They negotiated to receive a cut of the merchandise and that the rights would revert back to them once the book went out of print....then DC started selling merchandise and keeping all the profits by claiming they were "promotional items" and then....THEY KEPT THE BOOK IN PRINT...FOREVER. WATCHMEN has NEVER been out of print since it was released. That shit had NEVER been done before,so Moore and Gibbons saw no need to alter the contracts....they assumed that the book would revert back to them after a year or so. DC even went so far as to just barely keep the book in print in the early 90's just to hang onto the rights. What was done to Moore and Gibbons was new-school fuckery on such a grand scale that there was no precedent for it. And in the years since,everytime that DC has come close to making amends,they've managed to do something else to piss Alan Moore off. The pulping of an issue of LOEG over one word.....offering Moores cash-strapped friend the job of writing the novelization of the movie and then changing their minds....offering Moore and Gibbons back the rights if they would just endorse the prequel bullshit and give it their blessing....its like DC has made a game out of tempting/teasing Moore and Gibbons and then yanking the football away at the last minute. I've said in other threads and I'll say here....if you absolutely cannot resist reading about the adventures of the Watchmen babies....pirate them. Pirate them like you were the undead crew of the motherfucking Black Freighter. They'll be up on every torrent site from here to Nebraska by Wednesday night...even if you hate Moores guts and think he's an over-rated snake worshiping hack,do it for all the other creators DC has and will screw over in the future. Dont give these assholes one cheap dime.

  • March 16, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Alan Moore is the Greatest Living Englishman

    by Jeffwode

    What's wrong with being 'cranky' and having a weird beard? Surely art/literature/comics should embrace eccentricity? Crush the bland, the dull, the generic. Bring on the weird.

  • March 16, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST

    LOEG characters in the public domain...

    by Blue_Demon

    It does not matter that the characters from LOEG are in the public domain. If you make your living chiefly by taking other people's characters and putting a twisted spin on them, you should not bitch about a company taking characters they own under a contract and doing what they want with them. Moore ignored the copyright on Peter Pan held by Great Ormond Street Hospital. Things eventually landed in his favor, but his "don't-give-a-damn" attitude towards it shows that he is as callous as he pretends DC Comics to be. I am so sick of this whiner always bitching about the industry.

  • March 16, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Since Moore's last work was Neonomicon...

    by Greg Nielsen

    I think we can all safely say that he was never all that original outside of his use of sex and violence. Then again he learned all that from Michael Moorcock and even had Jerry Cornelius show up in LOEG which is cool. I honestly think he's lost it and was never that great to begin with. Also, I think the major work of the 80s is still Frank Miller's Dark Knight work. Without it no Batman movies. Besides if I wanted fun Watchmen I could read Mark Gruenwald's Squadron Supreme. Which in a weird way feels much deeper to me as the characters are monsters but literally people just screwing up trying to make a better world. Alan Moore comes off as a Goth kid in high school compared to the actual humanism from Gruenwald. Anyway, I am looking forward to the last LOEG Century volume. Seriously though Moore fans treat him like a freaking cult leader.

  • March 16, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST

    @Jobacca THANK YOU.

    by KilliK

  • March 16, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    @yorgo LEOG Century is Moore's latest work,you moron.

    by KilliK

    And Neonomicon was originally written way before the two latest LOEG GNs. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT,BOY.

  • March 16, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    I CANT WAIT FOR WATCHMEN BABIES.

    by KilliK

  • March 16, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    AT THE END OF THE DAY IS ALL ABOUT THE FUCKING MONEY.

    by KilliK

    IT ALWAYS WAS,IT ALWAYS WILL.

  • March 16, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST

    To killik on LEOG Century

    by Greg Nielsen

    LEOG Century is not complete or at least hasn't been completely released. So his last complete work is Neonomicon, which was no good. Also, when you said "Boy" I imagined Tony Todd from The Rock and then Nicolas Cage's monologue on it and laughed a little. So your attempt to humble me has simply given me giggles and reminded me of funnier stuff than your posts. The moron is the one without the sense of humor. Also if Alan offers you kool-aid don't drink it. Especially if he bust through your wall to do it while painted red.

  • March 16, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Watchman Babies will be drawn by Skottie Young with covers by Art Adams

    by Greg Nielsen

  • He'd be written by Jeph Loeb and take 2 years to discover the mystery of and it'd still be more entertaining than anything in Neonomicon or the last decade of Alan Moore work. Cause it's just entertainment. But in all honesty I do feel little bad for him. It's gotta be hard when expect people to be gentlemen and take care of you only to realize they really are all jerks like the people he writes in his books. Alan Moore seems like Night Owl when it comes to businessmen. Poor Night Owl. Then again he also acts like the freaking Comedian to anyone who doesn't agree with him completely. So he's still a butthole.

  • March 16, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST

    @yorgo You dont listen,boy.

    by KilliK

    i said Neonomicon was written way before the two latest LEOG comics but it was released between them. Regardless of that,the latest issue of Neonomicon was released on January 2011,whereas LEOG 1969 on July 2011 and the 3rd part is going to be released somewhere in 2012. So yeah,Neonomicon is not Moore's latest work LEOG Century is and specifically the 1969 part.So you are completely wrong in your statement. Now do you get it boy?

  • March 16, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Dear Killik...incomplete is incomplete and therefore unreviewable

    by Greg Nielsen

  • March 16, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST

    P.S. Kilik...

    by Greg Nielsen

    It would also help if you would calm down a bit. I think Alan Moore is interesting and I really am a fan but he didn't really invent these things and some people did them better but Alan Moore has that beard so he gets better press. Also you really are being over the top. You're giving this thing a bad name. Seriously, you're acting like Alan Moore. Or Britta from Community but I know I won't want to take you to dinner cause you're pretty. Poor poor Killikito, that's a Spanish term of endearment.

  • I've said before I quite liked it. It's a Lovecraftian horror story and the end is downright frightening. It works on exactly the level it was intended to work on.

  • ...from what is being done with his creations. Whether you agree with it or not, it does make sense.

  • Which is to say, download them. Even if they turn out to be great, which they won't, I don't want them as single issues in a physical form.

  • March 16, 2012, 11:53 p.m. CST

    @jaka on Neonomicon I didn't mean it as fact dude...

    by Greg Nielsen

    I see where you would say that. But I find that most of the terror in that comic comes not from the actual narrative but from Moore's view of sex. I mean the guy has a woman enjoying being raped by a fish monster and gang raped by a crazed rapist fish monster cult. It's like the Silk Spectre enjoyed rape from Watchmen taken to new levels. He seems to be really interested in the idea of people being drawn to their abusers or maybe he's really into masochism. It could be a combination of both. Like in V for Vendetta where the girl is still drawn to V even after he tortures her. It comes off though in Neonomicon and most of his work to me as things he sometimes writes with one hand. It reminds me a bit of Almodovar in that sense but in the case of Almodovar it doesn't feel like wankery so much as a world of utter nihilism applied logically. Moore tries to play a double hand by subjecting you to nihilism while claiming humanism, which is the flaw in most of his work. It's why I still feel that the I think 10 years before Watchmen, which I may be wrong, and not nearly as well executed Mark Gruenwald Squadron Supreme is a superior work. Because Squadron Supreme is a work of pure humanism and intended as such. However I am not really terrified by Neonomicon. I am worried about the mind who thought it up. It seems like quite the unfortunate bit of unintended confession. But I guess there is Lost Girls for that too. Didn't mean to offend you and to each his own. Besides you were pretty cool about me knocking something you like. And it wasn't in all caps I mean I like Michael Bay and Nicolas Cage which makes me lame by this sites standards but whatever. It takes all types

  • March 17, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST

    @Yorgo what the fuck are you talking about?

    by KilliK

    i am just pointing out that Neonomicon is not Moore's latest work.So instead of being a man and admit your mistake,you went the internet way of spitting out ironic remarks against me. GROW THE FUCK UP. And Alan Moore is not just interesting.he is a titan of the 9th art,he turned the funny books into serious work of art.and the greedy bastards from DC are trying the hardest to keep him away from owning his own work while milking it for money. Both the artists who are writing these prequel abominations (i dont give a fuck even if they turn out better than the original) and the fans who are going to buy them,SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES.but they arent going to.

  • The funniest thing is that since it's incomplete then it'll be his latest work later. The thing is that it'll be later and if it ends well then he'll have partially redeemed himself to me. If it turns out like the 1969 stuff that was interesting but hollow then I will be disappointed like I was with Black Dossier. Hopefully, it won't worry me like Neonomicon. You jump through more hoops than Alan Moore to get to where you need to go and still not arrive. Quit acting like I said your dad turns tricks at the corner because I didn't. Unless are you Alan Moore and you're trolling? Oh and dude...I didn't say anything ironic. But as an Alan Moore fan, I'd think that you would enjoy irony. You just don't know what it is just like him and you'd probably misdiagnose it. Also, I noticed you haven't really rebutted any of my remarks on Moore or the content and value of his works. You've just argued about release dates and the dates of it supposedly being written. Btw, again, we don't have it all yet. So it's incomplete and it'd be a disservice to Moore to make a judgement before it's able to be completely read. Trying to give that guy a fair shake and all. Neonomicon is completely released. It's reviewable. Geez dude. It's like I think Alan Moore would have to agree with me too. I mean think about it. He wants his work to stand complete and alone. I'm following with him on this and won't make my final judgement until it is. So before you try poorly to give me grief again and fail, go get angry at whoever it is that's holding up the release of the last part. Is that very un-DC?

  • March 17, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    @yorgo

    by KilliK

    WOW. you prefer to write all these silly things about something that is incomplete,will end later,mpla,mpla just to prove you are the perfect being in the world who doesnt make mistakes? You sir are making an ass of yourself.just so that you know. Meanwhile let me remind you some facts that you deliberately ignore: 1.Neonomicon was written way before the making of the LEOG Century series.So it is not the latest work that the artist has CREATED. 2.LEOG Century is his latest work because he is writing it now and its publication has actually started. 3.LEOG 1969 is his latest story aka work of art,that has been published.It is complete and reviewable as a story which stands in its own. That's it for now.you are free to continue to entertain me.

  • March 19, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST

    The HUGE problem with Watchmen..

    by Big_Daddy_Nero

    ..both the comic and the movie.. Is the fact that the whole thing, the ENTIRE thing.. THE WHOLE SHOOTIN MATCH.. Is based on a completely ridiculous plot device which simply makes no sense whatsoever. Dr. Manhattan. Dr. Manhattan's character, as written in the comic and as executed in the movie, would have NEVER become incolved with the totally-human 'supergroup' Watchmen in the first place. The character as created by Moore himself was completely above such things, and made a point of stating it several times. He was ALSO 'controlled' by the government, at least for a while, as a sort of puppet 'super-weapon' for the US, which would be yet ANOTHER reason that character would have never been involved with the Watchmen group. And yet, without that involvement, there is no story. None. None of it ever happens. So the entire thing was based upon an absolutely hack-tastic contrivance - the ultimate 'deus ex machnina' if you will. And while the comic was done in such a way as to capably distract from the stupidity of the premise, the movie relied even MORE heavily upon the character and his inexplicable involvement with Watchmen to begin with, and it just simply didn't work. Not one single ounce of motivation for Dr. Manhattan to have ever been involved with Watchmen. Now maybe it's just me, maybe I am naive, and that utter lack of sense or motivation was Moore's way of being an iconoclast, of shoving the arbitrary nature of things down our throats.. I don't know, and I don't care. I honestly loved the book the first time I read it, and I think, as a literary work, it still far transcends its genre. But the fact that the whole thing is built entirely on a premise which is pure rubbish, it really becomes tainted for me, and there doesn't seem to be any way to reconcile it. Maybe these new books will be able to address some of these issues. I would love for that to be the case, even if Moore is not involved (maybe BECAUSE Moore is not involved?) Oh well, we'll see.

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