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Herc’s Seen Tonight’s Almost-Last WALKING DEAD And The Seventh LUCK!! Discuss Also The Return Of BOB’S BURGERS!! Plus ONCE, BITCHES, APPRENTICE, SHAHS OF SUNSET, AMAZING RACE, 60 MINUTES And More!!

AMC says of tonight’s penultimate “Walking Dead” of season two:


The group learns that someone dangerous may be on the loose near the farm. As night falls, Rick, Shane, Daryl and Glenn comb the woods to handle the situation and keep the group safe.

More in the text invisible.

* How the episode begins: “Dale? He’d get under your skin.”

* There’s a fight early on that reminded me of “Mystery Men.”

* The fight is over quickly. The bulk of the episode is filled with characters talking about their feelings.

* “Less talkin more walkin’” one character says to another near episode’s end. “Amen, brother,” I replied.

* Expect a big surprise at episode’s end.

* Final dialogue: “Wait wait wait wait!”

HBO says of tonight’s antepenultimate installment of “Luck”:

While Ace tours a prison outreach horse retirement farm with Claire (Joan Allen), Israel tries to convince Smythe that his boss is on the level. Jerry and his erstwhile card dealer, Naomi (Weronika Rosati), try to win their way into a poker tournament. Lonnie (Ian Hart) decides to “go it alone” by putting in a claim for another horse, a filly named Niagara’s Fall. Walter meets with Hartstone (Bruce Davison), a lawyer, to defend his ownership of Gettin’Up Morning, and has to make a decision about which jockey will ride him next. Rosie asks Joey to be her advocate; Ronnie (Gary Stevens) attends AA in an attempt to get his life, and career, back on track. Written by Amanda Ferguson; directed by Brian Kirk.

More in the text invisible.

* The episode kicks off with Kerry Condon’s character in bed with her jockey boyfriend.

* “Weeds” player Hemky Madera (remember wrestler/assassin Ignacio?) joins the “Luck” cast this week.

* Joey’s stammer is back in full force.

* We learn Nathan Israel is less than completely Jewish. He gets one of the two most memorable scenes this week. Jerry shares the other.

* The episode ends with Ace staring at his horse.

* Leo Chan is back!

Speaking of Ace, the NBC promo suggests Adam Carolla will act as project manager for the men’s team this week. I predict this is not the end of the road for the "Car Show" host.


Returning Tonight:

Bob’s Burgers (8:30pm Fox)

Coming Home (10pm Lifetime)

Cupcake Wars (8pm Food)

Wild Justice (9pm NGC)


Premiering Tonight:

America The Wild (8pm NGW) follows a fellow determined to capture never-before-seen footage of wolverines and other creatures in their native environments.

Shahs of Sunset (10pm Bravo), from Ryan Seacrest (the many Kardashian TV shows on E!), follows young wealthy Iranian-Americans as they work and party in and around Beverly Hills.

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  • March 11, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST


    by Carolinamaestro

  • March 11, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    More talking on the Walking Dead

    by Carolinamaestro

  • March 11, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    The Talking Dead

    by Carolinamaestro

  • March 11, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Re: Tonight's "The Walking Dead" ...

    by ArmageddonProductions

    Soooooo, is tonight's episode where they kind of go back to following the comic and Carl winds up greasing zombie Shane, or is that next week's season finale? The pictures have been floating around everywhere online, so that's not exactly a spoiler, I'm just curious if they're kind of dragging it out or they're REALLY gonna drag it out. I'm guessing that, since they rushed to turn Carl into a bloodthirsty little shit last week, it'll be this week's episode. Especially since bloody-faced Shane from this week's trailer becomes bloody-faced zombie Shane.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:39 a.m. CST

    My guess is "YAWN!!"

    by ATARI

  • March 11, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST

    More goes down on Alcatraz

    by PhGeekPete

    Renew it!

  • March 11, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Once upon a Time tonight.

    by Volllllume3

    Fuck The Walking Dead.

  • March 11, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Bobs Burgers

    by vondamage


  • March 11, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Eastbound and down has been great this season

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    I really hope this isn't the last season, I think McBride and Farrell had mentioned it probably would be but I hope they decide to continue it It's hands down the funniest show on TV right now

  • March 11, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST

    American Dad - Best animated show!!

    by DavidBanner

  • March 11, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Just watched the 2-hour MAD MEN season-five premiere

    by Hercules

    Interesting start.

  • March 11, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    agree on Eastbound and Down

    by DavidBanner

  • March 11, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    New Once Upon A Time

    by Joe Magilton

    We get the Red Riding Hood backstory tonight. Love seeing this show do so well. Fuck Walking Dead. This season has been such a disappointment. Once = Best Sunday night show right now.

  • March 11, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Hmmm 'someone dangerous'. Could Merle be back?

    by tangcameo

    Maybe those hallucinations of Daryl weren't exactly hallucinations and Daryl is part of that other group?

  • March 11, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    How about a clue on MM?

    by Truxton Spangler

    Is Don married?

  • March 11, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    oops I meant...

    by tangcameo

    maybe Merle is part of that other group

  • March 11, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST

    WALKING DEAD is dead to me

    by Monroville

    I said it before, I'll say it again: I had no problem with the first half of the season with them staying on the farm looking for Sofia. The thing is, once they found her, that should have been it. They already established that gunshots attract walkers, and they just had a 10 minute long firing squad. The opening episode should have been Herschell going into the barn where he hid his booze (using the walkers to keep him from it), with more walkers showing up throughout the show until the end, where someone on the 2nd floor sees the treeline across the field covered with zombies. Second new episode is them gathering up their shit and running for their lives to get to their vehicles as the slow moving walkers cross the field, ending with a drunk Herschell lighting the farmhouse on fire. Next episode is them in town, ending with the Rick/New Guys shootout. Instead, we get more talking, more characters acting out of character, more characters doing dumb ass things to progress the plot (would Dale really go out in the middle of the night all alone?)... I could care less about any of the characters anymore. Good job AMC. Good way to kill a pretty much sure thing.

  • March 11, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Yawning Dead....It's not the farm...

    by Paul Paradis

    It's the talk, talk, talk with very little action, and the weak, drawn out writing. It's been a yawn fest. It shouldn't mirror the comic exactly because most of us don't give two shits about comic books. Season 2 so far could have been done in just 2 or 3 episodes. Lazy writers, a low budget, internal conflict, and a network that seems content to ride season one's success is killing the yawning dead.

  • March 11, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    LUCK is A+ Television

    by Richard L. Rhodes

    Amazing!!Have to bite yourself through the first 4 episodes.....but!! Next to "Justified" my favorite this season..

  • ...while T-dog does what?...continue to hold up trees in the background of shots? It's more than embarrassing at this point.

  • March 11, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Re: tangcameo

    by ArmageddonProductions

    Again, it's most likely referring to Carl, who they attempted to set up as a murderous little shit last week to try and get back on track with the comic. I'm not entirely clear whether it's tonight's episode or the finale or, most likely, that they'll drag it out over this and next week's episode, but Rick and Shane fight, Rick kills Shane, Shane comes back as a zombie and his is (presumably) ironically shot through the computer by "Trigger Finger" Carl. In other plot developments, I think T-Dawg yells and points at a zombie, Hershell's daughter that no one gives a shit about has another fainting spell (or, 'womanly troubles", if you will), Glen agonizes over losing his virginity and Lori decides to finally quit zombie Shane and go after Daryl as her side meat.

  • March 11, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Re Mad Men

    by mus42

    Yeah come on Herc! That's a real tease of a comment. Anything more you can say? I take it the shows feels the same? Did you enjoy it? GIVE US MORE!!!

  • March 11, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Standing Still Talking Dead

    by don

    At this point there's more assholes than zombies.

  • March 11, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST

    i cant beliee we still have 2 whole weeks till mad men

    by jsfithaca

    c'mon herc, give us more. please?

  • March 11, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Bet next week ends with, "Hi, they call me The Governor."

    by mdk

  • March 11, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Shahs of Sunset

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    So....basically Jersey Shore for Iranians. Er..... I mean, "Persians".

  • March 11, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Herc re: Mad Men

    by ImperialMarchFace

    Come on! Don is already divorced from the secretary, isn't he? Back to being a man whore, trying unsuccessfully to get with Joan? Which he does by the end of the 2 hours! Even though she kept Roger's baby, which nobody knows! Prove me wrong.

  • March 11, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST

    I notice Walking Dead's number have been treading downwards

    by ATARI

    I am not surprised.<br> <br>

  • March 11, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Is [SPOILER] really dead?

    by Toe Jam

    Because I didn't think the writers on "The Walking Dead" had the balls to kill him/her at the end of last week's episode. Also, I have no doubt [SPOILER] will die in tonight's episode, but will they really have him/her just be a zombie? If so, that's fucking weak, and pretty much negates the apparent death of the aforementioned [SPOILER].

  • March 11, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    GoT new trailer

    by ElPaw

  • March 11, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST

    This comment is CHOCK full of spoilers, so proceed at your own risk

    by Antimaster

    Last chance. Ok, first off, NONE of this is confirmed, but has been extrapolated from what's been seen and written about. But a lot of this is known. But to timeline it . . . Jenner told Rick in his whisper (which Lori said in an interview would be vocalized since they shot one where he could be heard) that everyone on earth is infected. Someone whose name starts with "S" and rhymes with plane will indeed make a reappearance after he is offed, but by Carl, not Rick. Beside The Dying Fire is supposedly a reference to the farm going up in flames as the hostile group finds the farm and/or the walkers converge on it. As for the last shot of the season I've heard two options: one, that Merle leads the other group to the farm, or two, that Merle and the Governor have linked up and Merle is one of his officer types, and that will be the cliffhanger. There, happy now? Don't blame the messenger, you were the one who looked!

  • March 11, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST

    I'm sick of the "talking" episodes.

    by Felix

    If they want to save money, they don't need to just talk. They can do stuff without zombies. Just don't sit there and talk for 40 minutes like a badly written soap opera.

  • March 11, 2012, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Still telling you, no S3 for TWD, it is dead

    by SadTruth

    The few eps they will shoot will be for DVD set and sale online. Show is dead. I have it here, on AICN, in writing, for the past couple months. I've taken a load of insults over it. I'll happily sing I Told You So when it becomes official so the knuckdraggers can feel their heads pressurize with self hatred and rage. But, in the end, I am sad, because the most slam dunk of a winning series idea was literally forced down the toilet in a mere 2 short seasons. Great job AMC, you are but a tick on the ass of HBO.

  • March 11, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST


    by scors54

    OK--so let me get this straight--AMC is just going to cancel the number one rated show 18-49 in the time slot--just like that, huh? Yet they will bring "The Killing" back for season 2--and "Hell on Wheels"? That certainly makes a lot of sense. Let me ask you--other than your personal disappointment with the series, what, exactly, would be the rationale for AMC cancelling a show that is, right now, their most highly rated show? Hmmm? Anything other than these Delphic pronouncements?

  • March 11, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST

    its been renewed dumb ass

    by saint seiya

    season 3 is coming.

  • March 11, 2012, 5:48 p.m. CST

    i really wish i hadnt read all these spoilers.

    by rakesh patel

    TWD isn't "dead" to me. they've made some absolutely appalling decisions and attempts at course correction have gone in circles quite frankly. It isn't "heroes" bad, not yet. The first season (6 episodes!) were excellent remember how much stuff those episodes contained?. I'm still hoping they can make it back there. I'm kinda gutted I've looked at the spoilers. hopefully it will translate well on screen. This season has pretty much been a wreck for me, i'm writing it off as a loss. I just want it to finish so that these guys will have time to get some watertight episodes ready for season 3 straight off the bat prove everyone wrong and get their shit and plan together to hit the ground running setting up the new season and series.

  • March 11, 2012, 6:05 p.m. CST

    @saint seiya

    by scors54

    Yes, thank you, I neglected to add that to my post--on top of everything I've mentioned, it has already been renewed, sadtruth, so maybe the "sad truth" is that you really have no idea what the fuck you're talking about? Of course, I would gladly admit I was wrong if you provided some actual rationale for your supposed "insider knowledge".

  • March 11, 2012, 6:10 p.m. CST


    by scors54

    If that was all simply extrapolated, bravo, well played--I agree on all counts. And, folks DO NOT read the post if you want to remain spoiler free, because I would be willing to lay some pretty good odds that everything antimaster has posted will come to fruition.

  • March 11, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Really? And you have a copy of the contract?

    by SadTruth

    Announcements mean, well, nothing, at least to adults who know how this stuff works. But hey, I don't know anything and you can all laugh at me when S3 premiers, right? Just remember, it cuts both ways my little children...

  • March 11, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST


    by boyalien

    is on fucking fire. If you ain't watching, it's seriously your loss. I look forward to Luck like I used to look forward to Deadwood or Sopranos. Six fucking days a week, I feel a little void inside.

  • March 11, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST

    I haven't seen tonight's Walking Dead yet...

    by giantballsack

    ...but that certainly won't prevent me from saying that it sucks. I mostly go though life assuming things anyway. Why should this be any different?

  • March 11, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Does the T in T-Dog stand for Token?

    by tangcameo

    The writers on Lost gave more story to their sock puppets than Walking Dead gives to T-Dog. Just looked at his Wiki page. The last two episodes describes his part of the plot as "He is seen..."

  • It probably won't be Dale but I'd love to see a familliar character suffer a zombie attack, be put out of his/her misery by one of the group, only for them to later realize the bullet missed the brain as they see their comrade rise up.

  • March 11, 2012, 7:11 p.m. CST

    @tangcameo *spoiler*

    by Felix

    ***Spoiler*** It's likely they will kill Shane and he will rise again as a zombie. The scene with the security guards with no visible wounds forshadows the discovery that you don't have to be bitten to rise again. In the comics they bury Shane after he is shot and Rick goes back to dig him up and he is a zombie. It seems this will happen in the show.***end spoiler****

  • Do not confuse drama with shitty drama.

  • March 11, 2012, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Token Dog

    by Paul Paradis

    T-Dog fans should be happy he got something to do tonight. He carried some boxes into the house, and hit a zombie with a hammer.

  • March 11, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST

    So another Lost know shit happened at the end

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    to get u to watch the following week. TWD is pulling this card way too often and its only going to last so long before viewers will just wait to watch the last 10 mins of the ep to find out the big surprise.

  • March 11, 2012, 8:26 p.m. CST

    @noiretblanc and @redwhitenegro, I agree with you both

    by Tim

    These conversations are dull, predictable, and agonizing to sit through. And the inconsistencies are maddening. Cue someone saying: "If you don't like it don't watch!"

  • March 11, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST

    so glad there is only 1 episode left

    by animas

  • March 11, 2012, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Toldya, its the last 10 min of the show thats important!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Or thats what the TPTB wants us to think. Looks like I haven't missed a damn thing. Oh look Shane is dead what a surprise. Not really.

  • March 11, 2012, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Lame. If this doesn't tell you the show needs better writers

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    I don't know what you're smoking!

  • March 11, 2012, 9:05 p.m. CST

    WTF ??!! Did I just see what I thought I saw...

    by tritium

    How many friggin' times did they shoot guns around the farmhouse in the past episodes, and never attracted additional walkers. All of a sudden, Carl shoots one pistol round, and a giant mob of walkers magically appears out of nowhere. This has got to be one of the most poorly written show on television.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Yawning dead

    by Paul Paradis

    The preview for next week was more exciting than the entire season 2 combined. I feel sorry for the people that actually sit through an entire episode, and don't just flip over like me. 40 plus minutes of talk talk talk, and a little over 10 of actual substance.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:10 p.m. CST

    I've been hating on this show all season, but...

    by Wolfman Nards

    That was an awesome episode. So is it just me or is there a new zombie rule in effect now? Anyone that dies, whether they're bitten or not, is a zombie?

  • March 11, 2012, 9:10 p.m. CST

    I thought it was awesome

    by dukeroberts

    The single gunshot bringing all of the walkers after so many gunshots going off is kind of ridiculous, but aside from that, it was awesome.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Herc... Give us SOMETHING about Mad Men. Anything!

    by Wolfman Nards

  • March 11, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST

    It's not even worth an insult

    by matthooper8

    ok, just one, the six year old they hired to write that episode has asked for all his future payments to be made in candy.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST

    The Walking Cluster-Fuck.......

    by Viking2009

    I always figured Shane would eat some metal sooner or later, but offing Dale and Shane back-to-back? That joint's storyline is swirling in the bottom of the bowl and about to curl 'round the ol' U-pipe. Next week I'm pulling for the walkers.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:17 p.m. CST

    So I guess it is official, nobody can seem to watch Carl

    by angry kitty

    He just seems to wander off & nobody stops him or even notices. The way he just magically appeared at the end was just bizzare. Did he wander around outside after everyone was supposed to be holed up inside?? And also- Did Shane lead Rick all over the woods so he could shoot him in a clearing RIGHT near the farmhouse?? Huh? This show is so confounding sometimes.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:19 p.m. CST

    You whiny bitches are some of the most pathetic...

    by maverick68

    fucking creatures to ever draw breath. Don'

  • March 11, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Only thing worse than a whiny bitch

    by matthooper8

    Is the douchbag who cares.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:23 p.m. CST

    and why shouldn't we bitch about something THAT bad?

    by matthooper8

  • March 11, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST

    The end is finally near.....what a relief

    by Paul Paradis

    1. The 1000th round fired brings a mob of zombies out of nowhere. Never mind they walk all through the woods not 10 minutes prior. It must have been more of those dreaded ninja zombies like the one that killed Dale. 2. Everyone is infected, and it looks like Glen and Daryl just figured it out. 3. I guess in a zombie apocalypse with everyone dropping dead there's no need to watch your children. Just let them wonder about without supervision.... 4. Shitty, lazy writing. Demand better from AMC and the cows producing this mess.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:32 p.m. CST


    by fanboy71

    Now we can now get off that f*cking farm and head to the prison! And hopefully meet Michonne and Tyreese. And the Governor storyline will have all you naysayers salivating. (if they do it right) I heard an interview with Andrew Lincoln friday that said Rick was going to go down a similiar road as the comic, and that he is very much looking forward to playing that role.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:34 p.m. CST


    by Hercules

    All I can tell you is it starts at an ad agency not called Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce and it ends with Lane collecting resumes.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:46 p.m. CST

    That was an intense episode

    by rogueleader66

    Anyone who thinks it was boring, piss off already. Stop watching and bitching about it. It had a few issues, but it was 60 minutes of intensity. Go watch Mob Wives or something else, and leave the people who enjoy this show alone. Good night morons.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:48 p.m. CST

    TDawg the traitor

    by b_ease

    Am I the only one that realized the Dawg was going to let Randall escape (even addressing him as Randy), and informing him that the Governor said he could leave? T-Dawg is a mole for the Governor, but how is that possible??

  • March 11, 2012, 9:48 p.m. CST

    One thing...

    by rogueleader66

    I do agree that people need to watch this fucking kid. Everyone is supposed to be back at the house where it's safe, and he just shows up in the middle of the field. Dale is dead because of Carl, period. More people will die because of him if they don't keep a fucking eye on this little shit.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST

    why wasn't randall a zombie

    by animas

    if everyone is infected....

  • March 11, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Should've done a complete 180

    by b_ease

    I have no urge to wiki his name right now, but the actor that played Shane was the single best thing about the show. Considering their willingness to move from the comics, killing Rick, Shane's murder plan working, and the inevitable reprucussions could have finally given the show an interesting angle. It's like they're literallly terrified to make the show anything less than mediocre.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST

    This TB is filled with whining bitch asses

    by rogueleader66

    I still fail to understand why you morons continue to watch a show you think sucks. I'd like to think there is a good reason, but there really isn't. Change the channel. Please...your constant bitching is mind numbingly irritating.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Fellow haters... come on. There really isn't much to bitch about tonight.

    by Wolfman Nards

    If the show was always as good as it was tonight then I'd never complain. With Dale gone it's already going to drastically improve.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:56 p.m. CST


    by rogueleader66

    He was....Daryl and Glen found him and killed him...Daryl could see his neck was broken, and saw the blood on the tree where Shane injured himself.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Wow, rougeleader is bitching about people bitching?

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    How unoriginal. Hey dickhead go to a fan fanforum and suck the cocks of your delusional fanboys in style. This is AICN where different opinions rein, not the usual tug jobs that you're used too.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:59 p.m. CST

    TWD solid entertainment.

    by IamHERE

    So many people bitching on here about a show. So lame and such a waste. Its a TV show, why you expect perfect brilliance from one is beyond me. Seriously you all need to just either stop watching the show and shut up or enjoy it for what it is. A show about zombies, people making fucked up choices, and gore you would of only seen from a rated R movie 10 years ago, now on regular TV. That is awesome in my books. The makeup is phenom compared to all the crap thats out there on DVD. The acting, aside from that forced seen in the boat with the sisters, is on the decent to excellent side. The story makes sense as do the actions of the characters. You want the comic book, go read it, this is an entirely different beast all together. Love my Sundays, and tonights episode was rock on solid.

  • March 11, 2012, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Why wasnt Randall a zombie

    by b_ease

    why wasn't randall a zombie by animas if everyone is infected.... ^^ No fucking way you watched the episode dude...

  • March 11, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Life's Too Short

    by c4andmore

    It's ok. Not as funny as Gervais other shows, but just ok. <br> The weird secretary on the show is way funnier than the main character.

  • March 11, 2012, 10:04 p.m. CST

    i must have missed that part

    by animas

    the scenes are too dark and i was barely paying attention

  • March 11, 2012, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Randall was down with the Governor...and so is T-Dawg?!?

    by b_ease

    Most intriguing revelation on the show since...

  • March 11, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST


    by rogueleader66

    Go fuck yourself pal, just because you don't like it doesn't mean anyone who does is an idiot, you and others are idiots for continually watching something you think sucks. Different opinions I can handle when they are done with some decorum. All that infects these talkbacks are whiners and complainers, people who continually say how they are "done" with the show, but come back every week to bitch some more. I can handle different opinions when someone whose opinion may not be mine, but doesn't insult me because it is. Your a classless asshole buddy. Grow some balls and accept that there are different opinions, and NO ONE, not you, not me, has the definitive opinion. Heed your own words pal. Good night.

  • March 11, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST

    I want to like TWD

    by angry kitty

    It is an ambitious concept to have a zombie series on network tv. And, aside from some frustrating character arcs and pacing, I have enjoyed this season. I want to give it a chance, to get better- the zombie effects alone are worth supporting. Greg Nicotero & his crew do stunning work. I may get annoyed from time to time. But I'll still tune in for the finale, and later for S3 premiere. Because a zombie series even when rough around the edges, is still worth some love.

  • March 11, 2012, 10:09 p.m. CST

    AMC Mastered Trolling With The Killing.

    by Gary Cochran

    Has there ever been a greater example of a network trolling their fans then leading us on all year to find out who killed Rosie Larsen only to NOT tell us at the end? The only thing that even comes close to that is the Soprano's fade to black. So AMC using trolling tactics to show us a cliffhanger ending to make us turn in next week is nothing new for them. As for this season being a snorefest of chatting and no action... Didn't they fire most of the writting staff between S1 and S2 including Frank Darabont the show runner/head writer? Maybe they should go back and get those guys so they can salvage season 3 and turn things back into the right direction again.

  • March 11, 2012, 10:09 p.m. CST

    redwhitenegro & hollywoodhellraiser

    by rogueleader66

    When you two are done with your circle jerk, go home and fuck your mothers a little more. I have read the opinions in here and like all know it all assholes, you think your right and everyone else is wrong. Not that I need to clarify myself to you, but I have never said this was a perfect show. It has its issues, and sometimes the writing can be sloppy. The pacing is also in question sometimes. You and all other haters have proved nothing, you just have stated why you THINK the show sucks. Your opinions are just that, OPINIONS, not fact, but you claim they are fact, cause you and all your buddies have PROVED why the show sucks. Done with you people. But I'll be back, if for anything just to annoy you with my presence.

  • March 11, 2012, 10:10 p.m. CST


    by LabattsBleu

    haters gonna hate... complaining about the plot holes and lazy writing...sure they exist, however, the entire premise of the show is based on suspension of disbelief isn't it?! So its not going to be the Tolstoy of zombie movies...but its still pretty good

  • March 11, 2012, 10:12 p.m. CST


    by rogueleader66

    Like I said, I never said it was perfect, just because I like it doesnt mean I overlook the flaws. But whatever, people that live with so much venom in them have to release it somewhere, why not here, where anyone can be a tough guy? Anyways, good night.

  • March 11, 2012, 10:13 p.m. CST


    by b_ease

    The Soprano's "fade to Black" was fucking brilliant. The entire last season was filled with references to the blackness that envelopes one when they die. Tony was shot in the head by the dude who walked in the diner with the Member's Only jacket. We saw that world thru his eyes, so when Tony's perspective went Black, so did ours. Perfect.

  • First off...I know nothing of the comic book. I assumed T-Dawg was speaking metaphorically. I mean, the kid had just been given the proverbial "stay of execution". It is the Governor of a State that has the power to stay in I presumed that T-Dawg was simply making a joke. Nothing more.

  • March 11, 2012, 10:25 p.m. CST

    First off...I know nothing of the comic book.

    by b_ease

    Nuff said.

  • I was gonna point that out to, but was afraid that would just prompt him to show up again.

  • March 11, 2012, 10:26 p.m. CST


    by b_ease

  • March 11, 2012, 10:27 p.m. CST

    TDawg and the Governor

    by b_ease

    And I could be wrong, but if you know the book, it was a VERY interesting turn of phrase.

  • March 11, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST

    over analyzing

    by Paul Paradis

    Stays of execution can be ordered in state cases by the Governor of the state.....In other words it was a figure of speech, and you're reading too much into an innocent comment. It doesn't mean Token Dog is the governor's lackey. That would be just more shitty writing if they actually went that direction.

  • March 11, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST


    by Tim

    Thanks for jumping on that Sopranos point. The cut to black meant ONE THING and one thing only. This explains it all brilliantly:

  • March 11, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Post Mortem: Walking Dead Boss Defends Tonight's Big [Spoiler], Teases Shocking Finale

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    Michael Ausiello WARNING: If you have yet to watch The Walking Dead‘s next-to-last Season 2 episode tonight, run don’t walk to the nearest exit. We’re serious, folks. The following Q&A with showrunner Robert Kirkman contains massive spoilers. Trust us on this one. Everyone else, you may proceed… This Just In: The Walking Dead is not fooling around anymore. One week after viewers watched in horror as Dale literally had his guts ripped out, AMC’s mega-hit went a step further in its penultimate Season 2 episode and whacked another, far more pivotal character: Shane! Sure, the warning signs were there — on screen and off. For starters, Shane had become increasingly unhinged as Season 2 wore on, making Sunday’s deadly confrontation with frenemy Rick all the more inevitable. Also, as fans of the Walking Dead comic know full well, the TV character actually survived longer than his literary counterpart. Oh, and as you may’ve heard, Shane’s portrayer, Jon Bernthal, recently landed a starring role in former Dead exec producer Frank Darabont’s TNT pilot L.A. Noir. Yet, the death of Shane — who, for all intents and purposes, was the show’s co-lead — nonetheless packed a punch, mostly because it sends a loud and clear message that absolutely no one (save for Rick) is safe. And if the episode itself didn’t adequately relay that, our post mortem with Robert Kirkman should. Read on as Dead‘s main creative force reveals why Shane had to die, how Bernthal reacted (read: he wasn’t pleased), whether Jenner’s secret message to Rick has already been revealed, and when the next major death will come (hint: very soon). TVLINE | How long did you know that you were going to kill Shane off this early on in the series? Before the first episode of Season 1 was shot. [Laughs] Frank always talked about how, if the first season had been 13 episodes, we would’ve went ahead and told the entire Shane story and killed him off at the end of the season, which was pretty much what we did in the comics. But because that was a six-episode season instead of a normal-sized season, we decided to hold it for Season 2. TVLINE | Did you ever consider not following the comics and letting him survive – if not through the entire run of the series then maybe just another season or two? The Rick-Shane dynamic was such a major part of the show. There was a lot of back-and-forth when we were mapping out the second season. I’ll admit even I — who killed him in the comic — was saying there were a lot of interesting things that could come out of keeping him in the show. We had a lot of fun [writing for the character] in the second season because there were a lot of things that changed from the comic. Having him exist on Hershel’s Farm brought out new stories and made us do some cool new things that were different from the comic. And I’m always for that kind of stuff because I like to keep things interesting. But at the end of the day, what we kept coming back to is that The Walking Dead is much more about Rick and his journey than it is about Shane and his journey. And keeping Shane around was, in a sense, stealing from Rick. It was time to let Rick emerge and see how Shane’s death affected him and how it informed his decisions. And I think that when people see the last episode of this season — and Season 3 — and where Rick goes because of this, they’ll see that this is all part of the larger plan. [His death] is definitely an important moment. And it really sucked to lose Jon Bernthal, but it’s going to make the show that much better and that much more deadly. Having lost Dale and Shane, now you really get the sense that any of these characters could go at any moment. And we’re definitely going to be continuing that in Season 3. This finally tells people, “This is what The Walking Dead is. This is what you can expect.” TVLINE | How far in advance did Jon know that this was going to be his final episode? He always knew he was going to die, but there was a question of exactly which episode it was going to be. That moved around quite a bit. It wasn’t until we were actually breaking the last half of Season 2 that we nailed it down to a specific episode. TVLINE | How did he react? Honestly, he was bummed. The actors have become a family, and they really love working together. They’re kind of isolated in Georgia where they shoot; they spend a lot of time together when they’re not filming. But every actor knows that on this show… I think Sarah Wayne Callies has been quoted as saying that she knows it’s not a matter of if she’s going to die but when; that’s what the show is. But it’s still very sad when actors have their last day on set. Jon was definitely upset. But he understood. He knew why we were doing it and what was going on. He was accepting of it. TVLINE | Was he satisfied creatively with Shane’s final arc? Absolutely. All of the actors are really great collaborators and have good ideas, and when Jon read the death scene he definitely had some questions and some suggestions. And he worked a lot with [the episode's writers] Glen Mazzara and Evan Reilly to try and beef it up. He had some little notes and they came to an understanding and really convinced Jon that this is what the scene needs to be. There was a lot of back-and-forth, and in the end Jon really loved the scene. TVLINE | What was your reaction when news leaked that Jon had been cast in L.A. Noir? It was an unfortunate mishap [that resulted from AMC] moving the last half of the season until February instead of just running it straight through. If we had aired it all in succession and ended in December it wouldn’t have been a problem. But by holding back the season, [the news] did kind of spoil things. It was a bummer that it spoiled the show to a certain extent, but I was happy for Jon. I think it’s exciting for him to be working for Frank again and I’m really looking forward to seeing that show. And it’s cool to know that Jon is constantly working. The tough thing for me is that when I kill a character in a comic book I am making the artist, Charlie Adlard, draw a different arrangement of lines from now on. Killing a character doesn’t really affect anybody but the readers. But when you kill a character on a TV show you are, in a sense, firing an actor. And the thing that upsets me about that is it’s always about the story; it’s never about the actor’s performance. And I’m a blue-collar guy, so if you fire somebody you need to have a reason. So it’s really upsetting to me every time we have to kill a character. So to know that Jon has another job makes me happy. Because I feel guilty about the whole firing thing. TVLINE | Shane turning into a zombie in the end pretty much confirms that everyone’s already infected. Can you confirm that that’s what Jenner whispered in Rick’s ear? [Hesitates] Well, I can’t confirm that. But what I can say is that Shane turning after being stabbed definitely does inform Rick revealing what Jenner whispered, in the next episode. TVLINE | So we’ll finally find out what he whispered in next week’s finale? Yes. TVLINE | Does Rick debate sharing this newfound intel with the others, or does the approaching zombie stampede delay that? Yeah, there’s sh-t ton of zombies on the way to the farm, so he’s not going to have a lot of time for that. TVLINE | This does raise the question about the dead bodies in the season-opening traffic jam — why hadn’t they all been turned? I think if you go back and watch that [sequence you'll see] we were very careful to have them be in cars that were in accidents, so the brain would’ve had trauma. Or they had some kind of wounds somewhere on their heads to show that their brains had been killed, like somebody came across and killed them. We knew that we were building to this throughout the entire season. TVLINE | I know you can’t name names, but have you quietly made any decisions to spare someone’s life on the show who died in the comics? Dale’s death in the comic book came way later than it did in the TV show. And Shane’s death in the comic book came way sooner than it did in the TV show. So that’s pretty much the model that we’re going to be following throughout the life of the series. Some characters will die before they reached the point that they reached in the comic book series, and some people will outlast their comic-book counterpart. And that’s going to be done to keep things interesting [and] because it’s not just me writing the television show. There are five or six other people that have good ideas that are contributing to the show, and it would be wrong to go, “That’s a good idea but that’s not how we did it in the comics.” There will definitely be differences. You can’t use the comic book to gauge when or how someone is going to die. TVLINE | Will there be another major death next week? I can say that the cast that enters the final episode this season does not leave the final episode intact. And there are a lot of surprises still yet to come. TVLINE | Will the finale end on a cliffhanger, as in mid-scene? Or will it be more similar to the Season 1 finale, which ended in a more resolute place? It’s not quite a true cliffhanger, but it’s much closer to a cliffhanger than what we had last season. TVLINE | And lastly, will T-Dog be allowed to speak again? [Laughs] T-Dog definitely has a lot of cool moments in the finale and a lot of lines. I apologize for that. It’s one of those things where certain characters have to recede into the background to give room to the other characters because we have such a large cast. But every character will get their moment to shine — T-Dog included.

  • March 11, 2012, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Haters vs Non-Haters

    by Tim

    I don't hate the show but I don't love it, and I find it hard to believe some of you defending the amatuerish writing that shows it's face at least a few times each episode. Also, to whoever said "Why do you watch TV expecting a masterpiece" or whatever, congratulations on just getting cable. Now get netflix and check out all the amazing TV show masterpieces you've missed over the past 10+ years, including two on AMC. I expected Walking Dead to be a horror/thriller show with the style and elite writing of Breaking Bad and Mad Men. I don't think that was an unrealistic expectation. Also, I also thought T-Dawg was just using the phrase. How could he be a mole? It would be interesting though.

  • March 11, 2012, 10:35 p.m. CST


    by room23storeblogspotcom

  • Absolutely. But these guys happen to be real good at shitty writing, so it wouldnt exactly be shocking. But like I said in my last response to tritium, I could absolutely be 100% wrong, and I'm ok with that.

  • March 11, 2012, 10:37 p.m. CST

    And to clarify

    by b_ease

    Yes, I do know that governors offer stays of exectution, so I'm in no way implying that it isnt a common turn of phrase.

  • This. All of it.

  • March 11, 2012, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Mad Men...

    by b_ease

  • March 11, 2012, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Mad Men...

    by b_ease

  • March 11, 2012, 10:43 p.m. CST

    my fault

    by b_ease

  • March 11, 2012, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Question for funnybook readers

    by Fico

    How did Shane die in the comic?

  • March 11, 2012, 10:48 p.m. CST


    by b_ease

    Kind of the oppoiosite of how it happened in tonight's episode. Carl killed human Shane in the book defending Rick, then Rick killed zombie Shane after digging up his body (for reasons I can't remember).

  • March 11, 2012, 10:53 p.m. CST

    yeah, but AMC also did Rubicon, Hell on Wheels and The Killing.

    by LabattsBleu

    All shows with great premises that began to fade because of poor decisions and poor writing...Walking Dead still has a chance to be a good show, but AMC has meddled way too much and hasn't allowed the creatives to flourish... AMC is not HBO... The need to get off the farm tho...there's no tension, no wonder the show has become predictable. They have had to invent conflict, and sometimes that invention causes bad writing. TWD can still pull out of this...but we'll see.

  • March 11, 2012, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Room 23- thanks for that Q&A with Kirkman

    by angry kitty

    Interesting. But I have to say, I don't buy his explanation about the highway corpses. Seems like a pretty lame explanation.

  • March 11, 2012, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Angry Kitty

    by Epsilon

    Those were my two complaints as well. And why the Hell did Carl pull the gun on his dad? I think they just had him there to shoot Shane as a nod to comic. And why can't any of these people HEAR a zombie coming up behind them. Rick had no idea that zombified Shane was coming up right behind just like Dale didn't detect that frickin ninja-zombie behind him either.

  • March 11, 2012, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Sad to say, WALKING DEAD has been better since Darabont left.

    by blackwood

    The 'talking about their feelings' thing actually felt like it meant something this episode. Lori's conversation with Shane was the first moment I felt her character was redeemable and written like a real person; Andrea and Glen having their moment over the camper van engine. It wasn't just the same old pedantic meandering through amateur hour in the writing room. I thought this episode achieved a few genuine moments, not the least of which happen right before the end (I'm assuming its been spoiled, but I won't), or the moment that closed the episode. I don't know how much Darabont's vision for the series was fucked with, but I feel like the episode, at least, was one of the sharpest yet.

  • March 11, 2012, 11:41 p.m. CST

    @ Blackwood: Just like the Beatles were when Lennon left.

    by Zahaladeen

  • March 11, 2012, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Read the comic

    by crimsoncinder

    Shane was dead early on and the comic still resonates with more depth then the show. I'll still keep watching though and see what happens, but if you really want to get hooked, I suggest reading the comics. Its up to Issues 94 now I believe. Rent them from the library.

  • March 11, 2012, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Fucking yes Shane finally died.

    by ShamelessElitist

    Now if they can only kill Token-Dawg and Cancer McDead-Daughter and bring in Tyreese and Michonne and some other non-shit characters I will be happy.

  • March 11, 2012, 11:55 p.m. CST

    After all the build up

    by Chairman_Kaga

    The big moment stunk of executive compromise. "Lets soften this up because it would be too extreme for a kid to shoot him. I know lets make him a zombie first. Problem solved."

  • March 12, 2012, 12:03 a.m. CST

    A few q's after ep 12 of Walking Dead.

    by warp11

    Spoiler alert.................... So is this the first time in the series that when someone dies they automatically come back as a Zombie? Did the kid that Shane took out to the woods, was he the zombie that attacked the other two? What was the significance of those thousands of zombies that saw in the distance?

  • March 12, 2012, 12:08 a.m. CST


    by Paul Paradis

    If TWC had fixed my area's outage correctly the first time my comment would have been posted about the same time as yours.

  • March 12, 2012, 12:17 a.m. CST

    People Who Think TWD Sucks...

    by Mako

    1. Should stop watching. 2. Need to move on with their lives. 3. Should stop watching. 4. Need to spend less time on these boards. 5. Should stop watching. 6. Need to take their meds. 7. Should stop watching. 8. Don't have the patience to read a 300 page novel. But like to look at pretty comic book pictures. 9. Should stop watching. 10. Think they know what makes good writing. LOL 11. (fill in the blank) TWD is one of the best shows on TV. It's ain't perfect... but anyone who has ADHD (which is a lot of people on AICN) will never like this show... so stop watching.

  • March 12, 2012, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Carl popping up...

    by LF Martinez

    Willy nilly during pivotal scenes seems to be the most nagging contrivance in the last few episodes. Other than that I thought this episode was one of the best this season. Sorry to see both Shane and Dale go, as I thought they both were the two moral poles of the show. Still, hopefully over the next couple of months off they can write some more polished scripts, because there were some gigantic laspses in plot logic (i.e. loopholes) that could have been avoided without the major production shake-ups early in the season. Still, my sons and I continue to watch it every Sunday night without fail.

  • March 12, 2012, 12:48 a.m. CST

    The herd of walkers finding the farm was not bad writing.

    by Nerd Rage

    The herd could've been far away from the farm in previous episodes. What makes you guys think they were just hanging out nearby the entire time.

  • March 12, 2012, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Oh, and haters...

    by LF Martinez

    If it is the highest rated show on cable, the show is not going to be cancelled. So, just stop watching (you know the saying,"Haters gotta hate.").

  • March 12, 2012, 1:11 a.m. CST

    I was so close to buying a Buick

    by Hercules

    And then it went and fired Adam Carolla. Fuck you, Buick. I'm buying a Ford now.

  • March 12, 2012, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Done with The Apprentice too, BTW.

    by Hercules

    Fuck you, Trump.

  • March 12, 2012, 1:37 a.m. CST


    by Hercules

    Done and done. I am only posting threads hocking Blu-rays and books from here on out. Anything to make you happy, my man. Also: If you read again more carefully you'll discover I'm NOT buying a Buick. Right now I'm leaning toward a Ford Fusion.

  • March 12, 2012, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Monroville, thanks for that.

    by Eyegore

    Your whole silly rant is invalidated by your use of the idiotic phrase, "I could care less"... yeah, we know, you still care enough to come back here and make an idiot of yourself. Thanks.

  • March 12, 2012, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Life's Too Short is the funniest thing I've seen in years

    by Dapper Swindler

  • March 12, 2012, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Time for the story to evolve...

    by cat_herder

    I haven't read the comic, but camping out at the farm is starting to get old. They need to move on to the next phase with the new season. If they want hope (instead of the constant angsty infighting), they need to start rebuilding civilization or find some other source of forward momentum.

  • March 12, 2012, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Actually, the last couple episodes weren't so funny

    by Dapper Swindler

    But the first two were historic.

  • March 12, 2012, 2:42 a.m. CST

    Hercules...I see what you did there?

    by Eyegore

    Are you trying to say that the haters here are only hating because Frank Darabont got fired? I'm trying to read between the lines of your cryptic post, but, that would also explain why you started hating on the show a couple talkbacks ago, and I'm surprised you would want to reveal that about yourself. Am I reading too much into this, like the people who think T-Dog is working for the Gov'na?

  • March 12, 2012, 3:13 a.m. CST

    New writers!!

    by lordgrimplemort

    I still love this show, but damn it they are doing some stupid stuff lately. First we have a ninja zombie who takes a break from eating a cow to hide in a wide open field and sneak up on Dale from behind to wait until Dale turns around. How did Dale not see him or hear him? And then they try to make you think Carl's going to shoot his dad when really he's just waiting for Shane to stand up so he can shoot him--and again, Rick didn't hear groaning zombie Shane?! Finally top it off with a couple of hundred zombies all clustered together just near where our heroes were all walking through the woods and didn't hear the moaning and shuffling noises a couple hundred zombies would make. Great show if they can just stop throwing in stupid crap like that. You'd think the zombies are doing the writing!

  • March 12, 2012, 3:18 a.m. CST

    morale on the show must be shitty

    by rakesh patel

    quick! wheel out kirkland to say how rosy everything is!

  • March 12, 2012, 3:42 a.m. CST

    re: TWD is one of the best shows on TV

    by Volllllume3

    No... just... no.

  • March 12, 2012, 4:02 a.m. CST

    Walking Dead's budget

    by AngelinasOilBoy

    A lot of the people bitching about WD have no understanding of the realities of making a TV show on a budget. Everyone knows that AMC slashed the budget for the second season and that's a large part of the reason why the action has been centred on the farm. The people bitching about how this cool thing should happen and then this cool thing and then this cool thing have clearly never dealt with the realities of budgeting a show. Keeping the action confined to a main "precinct" over the course of a season helps keeps the finances manageable. The alternative would be to have no show at all. That's the reality, so suck it.

  • March 12, 2012, 5:19 a.m. CST

    Now that Shane is killed off, will TWD's ratings drop?

    by Stalkeye

    BTW I wasnt too surprise to see him go since fuckers on these "Walkback" forums are too quick to give out spoilers for future episodes. Way to go, Yentas!

  • Also, I still don't get the daughter in the coma / girls who wants to commit suicide thing? Why and how did she fall into the coma? Why is she still in bed? Huh? Here's hoping they can work on the random plot developments for next year ...

  • March 12, 2012, 7:13 a.m. CST

    I don't like pork.

    by Executor

    I don't make it for dinner once a week hoping it gets better, then go on the internet and find a forum for a nice pork loin recipe and tell people they're how bad pork is and how their recipe is for shit like a self-important and self-righteous little child. Some people like pork. I let them enjoy it. And I don't keep eating it hoping I will someday like it. See what I'm saying? No? Then flame on, fucking morons. I'm going to go find a place where people who actually enjoy a show have some intelligent comments.

  • March 12, 2012, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Finale spoilers - full episode synopsis

    by syn_flood

    "Shot opens in Atlanta: a group of walkers are feasting on what looks like Rick's horse, or what's left of it, when they're startled by the sound of a helicopter flying overhead. The horde migrates over several days, weeks, a great distance, and eventually comes to a fence. The fence bows and breaks under the relentless forward motion of the walkers. The herd presses on. Wandering aimlessly in the forest, the walkers turn as a gunshot goes off like a beacon, leading them to dinner. Soon they are closing in on Rick and Carl, as they leave the scene of Shane's murder. Daryl and Glenn arrive back at the farmhouse. They explain that they heard a gunshot, and share their confounding findings about Randall. As they walk back to the house, Carl asks Rick about what happened to Shane. Soon after, they notice the walkers bearing down on them, and it's not long before they are overtaken and have to make a run for the barn. Back at the house, the rest of the survivors are just figuring out that Carl is missing and walkers are approaching. Lori is panicking. Hershel passes out the guns. The horde is making quick work of the barn. Rick dumps gasoline everywhere, busts open the door to lure the zombies inside, and climbs up to the loft with Carl. Carl drops a lighter into the gasoline-soaked hay, igniting everything in sight. Meanwhile, the men and Andrea shoot from their cars in a futile attempt to corral the herd and buy time. Finally, Daryl figures out that Rick and Carl must be in the barn, and instructs Jimmy to drive the RV to the barn to rescue them. Rick and Carl manage to barely escape, while Jimmy is devoured inside the RV. Blood is everywhere, coating the windshield. The survivors are starting to run out of ammo. The horde is too large.The women hold hands and make a run for it as Hershel makes a last stand for the farmhouse. They are just about clear when Patricia is attacked from the side and is devoured while Beth is still holding onto her. Carol is headed off by a few walkers and backed into a corner with nothing but a plank of wood to defend herself. Andrea saves her but is attacked from behind and gets pinned under a walker. T-dog pulls his car around, but quickly has to leave the scene with Beth and Lori before the car is overtaken. Glenn tells Maggie that the farm is lost; they have to get off the farm, now. Hershel comes to the same realization, almost too late, as a walker sneaks up from behind. Rick saves Herschel and they along with Carl head out in their own direction. Glenn and Maggie take off as well. Daryl finds Carol about to collapse from running, and they speed off together on Daryl's motorcycle. Andrea is abandoned. The barn collapses into the flames. And we're not even halfway done. The group is now scattered. Glenn and Maggie switch places in the car as Maggie breaks down and can't continue driving. Glenn says they need to make their way to the highway, but Maggie protests that the herd came from that direction. Glenn finally tells Maggie that he loves her. Rick, Carl, and Hershel arrive at the highway, where they left the care package for Sophia, hoping that the others will think to rendezvous here. Hershel is ready to part ways, but Rick wants to stick together. Lori and T-Dog argue over where to drive. T-Dog wants to head to the coast, but Lori threatens to jump out of the car if he doesn't turn around and go back to the highway. A walker appears on the highway. Rick is about to give up on waiting any longer, but… in the nick of time, the other survivors arrive. Time for a head count: Shane - dead Andrea - missing Patricia - taken by the walkers Jimmy - splattered all over the RV Meanwhile, Andrea is running for her life in the woods, but the walkers pursue her tirelessly. She can't keep this up for long. Walkers are emerging from the trees in random directions as Andrea shoots to clear a path. The survivors leave the highway, pushing onward, but soon run out of gas. Several people start to panic and are on the verge of giving up. Rick tries to pull everyone together. The conversation turns to Randall and Shane. Rick has to come clean. He reveals that the secret Jenner whispered to him at the CDC was that everyone is a carrier of the infection. The group is not happy that Rick has kept this from them. Lori and Rick talk privately. Rick tells her what went down with Shane, and confesses that it wasn't just self-defense… he wanted Shane dead, he was tired of Shane dogging him and acting like Rick stole Lori and Carl from him. Lori freaks out when she finds out Carl's role in Shane's death and withdraws from Rick, refusing to let him touch her. Andrea is exhausted. This is the end of the line. She can't carry her gun-bag any longer, her pistol is out of ammo -- she bashes in a walker's head with it -- now she's down to knives, another walker practically on top of her… enter Michonne to save Andrea at the last minute, towing two armless walkers in chains, samurai sword in hand. The rest of the survivors set up camp in the middle of nowhere. They may have found each other again amid the chaos, but the group is still broken. Many are ready to run off into the dark and leave Rick behind, fend for themselves. They are on the verge of splitting up again, when Rick takes back control... he says they're not going anywhere; he killed his best friend for them. This isn't a democracy anymore. The camera pans up… in the distance looms a prison facility."

  • March 12, 2012, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Great episode

    by FrodoFraggins

    I don't read the comics but it would have been better if the kid killed Shane to save his dad. The writers clearly make choices to not offend the audience or make most characters do bad things. The army of the dead all clustered in one area of the woods was retarded. Just WTF kind of writing is that.

  • Little surprised that other folks missed it. I mean, Randall gets his neck snapped by Shane and seems to be perfectly fine (by zombie standards) after he reanimates. A broken-neck that causes death should have meant a PARALYZED zombie. Not a fully mobile one!

  • March 12, 2012, 8:19 a.m. CST

    House of Lies - That's some funny stuff.

    by V'Shael

    I know it's Showtime, so many people don't have it, but if you can get your hands on the episodes some other way... it's totally worth a look.

  • March 12, 2012, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Comic Book Men - Holding steady at 0.8

    by V'Shael

    That's good, isn't it? For a show that's so cheap to produce? Maybe we'll see it get picked up.

  • March 12, 2012, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Pretty awesome Simpsons last night

    by Bobo_Vision

    But I guess you guys were busy watching your zombie soap opera.

  • March 12, 2012, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Walking Dead - Good analogy to Heroes

    by V'Shael

    Heroes season 2 was a fucking disaster, and many talkbackers spotted it right from 2x01. It did take the viewing audience 2 years to catch up to that, and it might have been saved if they'd taken the right steps, but the unmistakable sign of rot was visible to plenty in Season 2. It's visible now in Walking Dead. Yeah it may still be a runaway ratings hit for AMC, but by talkbacker accounts, it's still Heroes Season 2 bad.

  • March 12, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST

    @graphix67 - Only if the Zombies use the central nervous system

    by V'Shael

    to govern movement. I'm not sure they do. I think we've seen disembodied hands twitching and so on. It might be more correct to think of them as colonies of some microscopic organism animating the fleshbag independent of the human central nervous system (which would rot just like any other part of the body).

  • March 12, 2012, 8:43 a.m. CST


    by ATARI

    If what you say is true, then that is going to be one hell of a finale.<br> <br> And it also sets up the potential for a great season 3.<br> <br> But, why the hell are they shoving all of that action into one episode?<br> <br> That's at least two episodes worth.<br> <br> They should have gotten rid of some of that talking fluff from the previous two episodes and stretched the action out some more.<br> <br>

  • It's the cool thing, being a faceless avatar, ripping on shows and movies that WE could never write, make or direct. There's a reason, other people make this stuff, and we sit here bitching about it... we don't have the talent. Love this fucking society, where everyone now has a voice, and thinks they are important... the hate for The Walking Dead is BEYOND stupid... Okay, you don't like the show, DON'T FUCKING WATCH IT. See, you CAN have issues with it, but obviously, you return each week to watch it... WHY???? If you are tuning in, just to come to random movie, and TV forums just to bitch... seriously, cut your fucking balls off (not that you ever use them besides jacking off to cosplay photos on google image search). And Herc... oh, you big spender.... Ford Fusion... BIG MONEY BIG MONEY BIG MONEY NO WHAMMY STOP!!!!!!!

  • March 12, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST


    by Tim

    Dude, there's a difference between hating a show and picking on it's flaws. And I don't know what made you LOL, but of course I know what good writing is! It's how I judge what movies I like, what TV shows I like, what novels I like. Don't be a fool.

  • March 12, 2012, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Shane deserved a better death than that!

    by Mrhazard

    I was really hoping Shane got a Col. Rhodes-esque "CHOKE ON ITTTTTTT!!!!!" zombie orgy death of epic proportions! RIP Shane. You were the best character of the show!

  • ... then shouldn't the dead host-body still remain animated AFTER the destruction of the brain??? If you can kill the walker by killing the brain, then I would think that the central nervous system is still the main source of locomotion for the walker. (Of course, by trying to fill in obvious flaws in the story-writing, all we are proving is that we care more for details than the actual writers themselves!)

  • Never again, it is a waste of my time. I will just chalk it up to different opinions....they were no more right or wrong than I am, their opinion differs from mine and we will just leave it at that. I will say one of them had balls to call me a troll...quite funny, at least I got a laugh out of it, so not a complete waste of my time.

  • March 12, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST

    setting Rick up to be the Governor?

    by Chewbacca_Khan

    I kind of wonder if T-Dash's comment and Rick taking over as "ruler" who doesn't listen to others means we're being set up for the biggest departure from the books yet.

  • March 12, 2012, 9:34 a.m. CST

    A more apt comparison with Heroes would be

    by Stegman84

    That The Walking Dead is the show that its creators and writers want it to be, rather than being the show that comic book fans wanted and expected it to be, and so it gets continually raked over the coals for committing the sin of not meeting those exact expectations. Because apparently not doing something exactly the way fanboys expect or want instanly equals 'doing it wrong' least as judged by those self same over inflated egos. The Walking Dead is not a perfect show, but nor is it a show that is deserving of the level of shit that gets constantly thrown its way from certain quarters, just because it isn't a televised photocopy of the comic (which as much as I enjoy, is also far from perfect). Opinions and debates are cool and all, good, bad, or indifferent, but when all it is is a constant stream of shit slinging for no real justifiable reason beyond 'it isn't what I expected it to be so I hate it and you should too, or you suck' it just gets fucking old. Anyway, carry on.

  • March 12, 2012, 9:35 a.m. CST


    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    That sounds about right! Love it if thats how Machione turns up! :D Sounds like they've saved all the fun till the very end

  • March 12, 2012, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Herc, do you read the comics

    by MemBirdman

    I mean, I know you're a comic book fan and have said as much in the last couple of weeks. I just find it interesting your criticisms of the show when it's almost the exact same tonally as the book. As for the ending, as soon as I saw what Carl was wearing in the episode, I knew where it was going. He wore the same outfit when generally the same situation came up in the book.

  • March 12, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Good episode, but......

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    Man, there were some plot holes in this one. Carl dropped the gun last week. And now has it back again. Is gunfire noisy or not? How did Carl get out of the farmhouse? Its half boarded up, and everyone is watching all the doors and windows. Otherwise, good episode. Carl should have killed Shane though. Not zombie shane.

  • And what, a couple hundred zombies just show up suddenly? Were they all wearing moccasins? Did they all train by walking on rice paper? Kirkland, get a handle on your property before all the cokeheads ruin it.

  • March 12, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST

    its funny

    by rakesh patel

    Walking dead is trending on twitter. whether you love or hate it, it's still very popular. The episode wasnt bad. ninja karl pops up everywhere i wonder if he had this much freedom when he was at home to walk the streets at night. i thought the showdown between rick and Shane was done really well, although why Shane felt the need to listen to ricks speech and not just shoot him in the back straight away is a bit bizzare. guess that taught him! Shane departs ( he's a fast walker!), a pity, he was definitely one of the best characters in the show, but fair play to him, he's got another gig with darabont which i'm sure he's chuffed about. a good move for him considering the state of play. there are ominous signs there will be another death. It better not be Daryl! the haters vs the belibers debate rages on this board. everyone chill already!

  • March 12, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST

    F'n' DVR didn't record Bobs Burgers!!!

    by Nice Marmot


  • March 12, 2012, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Ha, they actually gave T-Dawg the old "Aw, HAI-AIL naw!" line

    by Nasty In The Pasty

  • March 12, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST


    by rogueleader66

    the haters vs the belibers debate rages on this board. everyone chill already! Could not agree more. I will no longer get involved in some sill argument with these extreme haters, so not worth my time. We all have different opinions on the show, and so be it. It's the ones who hate it and profess how they have PROVED why it sucks that are irritating. People posting their grievances are fine, when it's done with some class. I don't want detractors of the show out of this TB, just the extreme ones who think they know everything. They are annoying. Yet they call me a troll....oh the irony.

  • March 12, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST

    People posting their grievances are fine, when it's done with some class

    by rakesh patel

    remember, i'm fuckin' classy.

  • March 12, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST


    by rogueleader66

    From what I have seen so far, yea you are.

  • March 12, 2012, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Shane Shovels. Shane Shovels Well.

    by TheBaxter

    well, not anymore. now someone's gonna be shoveling Shane.

  • March 12, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Its a love hate relationship with TWD.

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    There was some great stuff in the last episode but as many have pointed out already, there was also some appallingly lazy writing too. The presence of that herd WAS poor writing. Its like every zombie has also contracted the luck virus from that episode of red dwarf. The whole geograpy of that scene was laughable. Shane walks Rick all through the forest and they emmerge about 500 metres from the house, where Carl (and the magical lost herd) just so happens to find them. And the protracted OMG Carl is gonna shoot Rick bit, EUGH that was AWFUL. Had they just had Carl raise his gun and had Rick look momentarily confused before zombie Shane was blown away, that would have made it a lot less painfull. Or they could have you know, come up with something not so fucking cliche.

  • How, you can probably hear that from a distance... Pretty obvious, all the shooting and such has attracted that herd from the highway... and they've been slowly making their way there. But I guess... THEY SHOULD JUST SPELL THE WHOLE FUCKING THING OUT FOR YOU Lazy writting? MORE LIKE YOU CAN"T USE YOU BRAIN.

  • March 12, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST


    by judge dredds fresh undies

    That was another lazy attempt to mitigate the absurd plot holes TWD is so good at.

  • March 12, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST

    natalieportmansyummyafterbirth 02

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    Look man you can explain it kind of way you like but if youre relying on the audience to explain plot holes like this its lazy writing any way you cut it. Anyway, even ignoring the magically appearing herd, the end of that episode was still embarassingly poorly written.

  • March 12, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST


    by Robert Evans

    David Morrissey will be playing The Governor next season.

  • March 12, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Eastbound and Down is fucking awesome this season!!

    by baronweazle

    More of you guys should watch it. Cherry Blossom! Have to admit I've warmed up to the Walking Dead again as well. Can't believe I'm saying this, but as much as I love Frank Darabont, I'm beginning to think he was at least partly responsible for some of the crappier stuff in the series. The first episode(which he wrote and directed) is still the best by far. But the slow pace seems to have been his thing as well and T-dog was introduced under his leadership. Has any of the creative people behind the series ever actually explained what the point or purpose of the character T-dog is(and more importantly, why we do have T-dog and don't have Tyreese?).

  • March 12, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Sunday Night

    by DefyThis

    I'm *this* close to taking The Walking Dead off my DVR just for Lori's idiotic flip-flopping. On the other hand, I'm glad Shane is finally gone. I'm not a guy who reads the comics but I know he bit the bullet much earlier. I was actually getting tired of the others putting up with his BS. Great, it added tension, but it was getting old. I think they ended it well, and the guy who portrayed him did an excellent job, I was just getting tired of it. But after all that, the mob of zombies at the end... like everyone else, I groaned and thought "where the hell did they come from." So. I'm giving the show a chance for Season 3, but if at the midway point the god-awful writing hasn't improved, I'll be gone. The same goes for you, Family Guy. The Simpsons has been consistently kicking your ass the last few seasons. This year, the Social Network spoof, the Game of Thrones intro, the Inception spoof last night... suddenly The Simpsons is a lot more relevant than they have been since the early seasons. Here's to hoping they opt to do The Walking Dead for the Treehouse of Horror special next year.

  • March 12, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Concerning the "sudden" zombie mob....

    by AnakinsDiapers

    CHEESE AND RICE FOLKS! It isn't a science equation. The zombies aren't frickin stationary all the damn time. They wander around in herds. You could shoot a gun and make noise 6 days out of the week and not alert zombies. But on the 7th day that gunshot could bring em on because they could have WANDERED close enough to hear it. <p> It's not a plot hole. Shit happens.

  • March 12, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Re: Two Major Points About This "Zombie Logic" ...

    by ArmageddonProductions

    1) "If Randall's neck was broken, wouldn't he be paralyzed?" "That's assuming zombies use a central nervous system ..." Actually, the Romero/TWD zombies TOTALLY use a central nervous system ... that's how a shot to the head/brain kills them, right? That's why a disembodied body part still moving also makes no sense ... no brain, no life. More importantly, though ...</p><p> 2) "The big secret is, everybody is infected." Um, no shit, Sherlock? Dead people are coming back to life?!? If you die, no matter what the reason, unless there was head trauma, you come back to life as a zombie -- isn't that pretty much how the whole "zombie infestation" started in the first place? Did they all think that this somehow was only temporary, and that everybody who dies now will just stay dead? In fact, wouldn't that be the first thing on everybody's mind, like "Hey, if Uncle Jethro has a heart attack, we'd better put one through the old brain-pan, so he doesn't come back as a zombie, like all those other dudes who came back as zombies in the first place?" Why is this being treated as some major revelation?

  • March 12, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST


    by V'Shael

    *did you really say 'talkback standards'?* No, I didn't. Which renders most of what you said after that point, moot. Thanks for playing though.

  • March 12, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    "Do you want your last words to be sarcastic?"..."Noooouhoooo...."

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Funny, just like Jon's other animated series, Archer, it took me an episode or two to warm up to Bob's Burgers. But now, its one of my favorites (alongside Archer and Venture Bros).

  • March 12, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Walking Dead is beautifully shot.

    by Randy

    Godamn that show has good cinematography, whoever handles that shit is doing their job with true craft. The shot of Rick and Shane standing in the field, in shadow with the moon behind them, it was like a comic book come to life. I know there is a lot of problems with the show, but some of the visuals can be rather striking when you look at them.

  • March 12, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Kid Actors playing Unlikeable Kids - Carl and Joffrey

    by kells

    I kinda wonder what it must be like to be a child-actor who has to play a character that fans aren't going to like, find irritating, etc. It's gotta be tough - the kid who plays Carl and the kid who plays Joffrey in Game of Thrones have to deal with a lot of shit from fans. As an adult it might be cool, but I wonder how kids handle that kind of thing. Nothing terribly insightful here. Just a cue to a discussion, maybe.

  • March 12, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Another WD continuity mistake I noticed

    by sunwukong86

    When Andrea is talking to Glenn outside, both Glenn and Andrea's faces are in the frame. They cut to a completely different shot of Andrea breaking the 180 degree rule. You have no idea who Andrea is looking at

  • March 12, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST

    I met the kid who plays Carl last year.

    by Randy

    Wonderful kid, we talked about Lost while he was playing with Legos, truly a fun moment. Now the kid who plays Joffrey, I would beat the fuck out of him before he could say anything.That kid plays an asshole too well.

  • March 12, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Btw, the spoilers I posted are from the same guy who

    by syn_flood

    also posted a full synopsis of every single episode, and they were all correct. natalieportmansyummyafterbirth is full of shit.

  • March 12, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST

    The actor who plays Joffrey is phenomenal

    by angry kitty

    That kid should get all kinds of awards. I know Dinklage is superb as well, but kudos to that kid for making me hate his character. Hard to believe he also played that meek little kid in Batman Begins.

  • and so we feel relief instead of sadness/dread/horror at his passing.

  • Pick up a few stragglers here and there while the core group gets smaller and smaller.

  • March 12, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Problem with "no one is safe"

    by Heresy

    It really doesn't matter when you don't care about any of the characters.

  • March 12, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    The kid who plays Joffrey

    by Heresy

    One of the things I really like about the commentaries on the GoT Blurays is all of the people saying how nice a kid he is and how great he is at playing the asshole.

  • March 12, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST

    TWD is still better than

    by quintana007

    anything your god-like Romero putted up for the last 20 years. Someone should tell him finally that he is making the same movie over and over again, one worse than the other....

  • March 12, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    re No-one is safe

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    In the comics, you do care for the characters, then BAM, one's gone. Knocks you sideways. Lori was a whiny bitch in the comics too. Just go get Rick a telephone handset and be done with ;)

  • March 12, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST


    by Chewbacca_Khan

    Yeah, I know, but what I'm wondering is whether they'll set Rick up to kill him and become his successor. Think Breaking Bad character arc but in a zombie-infested world.

  • March 12, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST

    The zombie herd

    by Chewbacca_Khan

    anakinsdiapers got this one right, methinks. I was wondering how long it would take someone to point that out. Half of the screaming about lazy writing on here is complete knee-jerk; most of the people hating on stuff like that haven't taken the time to think through an explanation and are just looking for a reason to jump on the bash wagon. The other complainers seem not to fully grasp the different ways of developing characters or want only something to justify their own Shane-complex, in which they imagine themselves a badass without seeing how that can actually lead to just the type of psychotic behavior Shane displayed. Once more...character development. All of the above is said in full admission of some of the bad writing that has people running off into the woods, slipping out from under parents' watchful eyes, etc. In my opinion? Most of the "bad" writing in this show is a direct result of looking for ways to give people the action so many talkbackers cry for. I sense the writers are more interested int he characters than the action but are occasionally reminded to shoe-horn in a zombie sequence. It shows.

  • March 12, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Kid Actors playing Unlikeable Kids...

    by rakesh patel

    I've never thought of Carl as unlikable. and really if you're hating on a kid it makes you a special kid of asshole. One kid i really liked (!) was the kid from journeyman. he played a likable kid preety darn well. Not everyone can be Haley Joel Osment

  • March 12, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    2nd kid = kind

    by rakesh patel

    hows that updated website announcement coming along?

  • March 12, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Holy shit!That is the kid from Batman Begins!

    by Randy

    That just blew my mind.

  • March 12, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST

    BTW 60 minutes Khan Academy

    by rakesh patel

    amazing stuff. Kudos to this man for making it a non profit and sharing his knowledge for free. i only wish i had this kind of resource growing up.

  • I'll give you Romero's shitty Survival and ugh Diary, but better then Land? Seriously? Are you fucking high?

  • March 12, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST

    I watch the show for the good stuff.

    by seanny_d

    Two weeks ago was a very good episode with Shane and Rick at the school and Lori and Andrea dealing with Beth. To me, that shows how great the show can be. <p>When it does several frustrating things, when people just spend the vast majority of the episode just wandering around and people doing random things, that's when it gets annoying. And that's when people come here to bitch. <p>The fact is, this show has glimmers of greatness. That's why I continue to watch despite my mounting frustrations. I watch for those glimmers and hope they're able to turn things around. Because they absolutely can. Especially with the Governor coming up. I know little about the comics, but know that there is going to be a powerful antagonist coming up, which is very exciting. I think that's why a lot of people continue to watch. <p>It's actually the reason I followed Heroes into the end, when only the first season was any good. I could write a dissertation about why it ended up as terrible as it is, but we're long gone from that now. Right now, there's a lot more entertainment value out of Walking Dead than there was in Heroes.

  • March 12, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST

    you're all whiny bitches

    by ihatefanboys

    TWD is a drama. Therefore there will be drama. There will be lots of talking, lots of feelings, lots of no action. The show cannot be all zombies, all the time. So many people complain about the Resident Evil movies but it seems that so many of you want exactly that, all zombies, horrible dialogue, explosions. Yet when presented with a show that creates a drama out of it, suddenly you want resident evil. You cant have it both ways. I really think it shows the diminishing intelligence of the younger, internet generation. When it comes to comic book movies specifically, there seems to be great lack of knowledge of the source material. In all comic books there is drama beyond the title characters. In spider man, parker has always been in love with MJ, even married her in the comics, but bring that romance to the big screen, and you people whine about parker talking too much, talking about his feelings too much, etc..meanwhile its in the comics, its integral to the story, and important to the character, yet all you people want is wall to wall, beginning to end, spider man fighting villains. its silly.. i wont waste your low intelligence with more examples. To suffice, just realize that TWD cannot and will never be all zombies all the time...NEVER. There will always be talking, walking, talking while walking, talking about feelings, walking and talking about feelings, and generally lots of time where you will see no zombies. The show is not about zombies, its about this group of people, and they will always try to be where there are no zombies. So please, watch the show if you like it, but if you dont like the show dont strain your small brain watching it, then strain the brains of the intelligent of us here by complaining about it. The fact that scenes of people talking about feelings and communicating with each other disturbs you could explain why you dont have a wife or girlfriend, or even if you do , it explains why you fight all the time, it explains your lonely little, self-pitying existence, where your only human contact is on this message board, or on xbox live. Get lives people, get relationships, or real friends in your lives, maybe a lot of you need to get older and wiser. Then and only then will the talking mean something more than something annoying, and be more important than seeing zombies all the time.

  • March 12, 2012, 5:04 p.m. CST

    I was born with a gift.

    by gotilk

    I shovel well. lol. Now I know what he meant by that reference to Mystery Men.

  • March 12, 2012, 5:05 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    That seemed like a tiny bit of an overreaction , but I really agree with you. If the elements people complain about were not in the show, they'd hate it.

  • March 12, 2012, 5:33 p.m. CST

    defenders of the Yawning Dead

    by Paul Paradis

    Nothing worse than a fanboy overreacting over someone criticizing their favorite movie, show, or book. Is AMC paying you people to defend the yawning dead so, or are you just the typical angry, overweight fanboy with psychological problems that feels a compulsive need to attack anything they don't agree with.

  • Same fucking thing, both parties could learn to chill their. So stop all the damn the fanboys are the ones being loud and annoying. Both sides, haters and fans, have plenty of annoying fucking people posting on boards.

  • March 12, 2012, 5:44 p.m. CST

    TWD is st

    by Zahaladeen

  • March 12, 2012, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Ack - apologies.

    by Zahaladeen

  • March 12, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    ihatefanboys, I disagree.

    by FluffyUnbound

    If aliens came to destroy our culture and I had a choice between saving BECKET or the original STAR WARS trilogy, people would have to learn to live without STAR WARS. So it's definitely not that I don't like drama. I don't like being bored. There's a difference.

  • March 12, 2012, 6:23 p.m. CST

    For you idiots who call the show "talking" dead

    by Batmangelo

    I guess you don't realize that the show is about people surviving not zombies attacking them 24/7 If u want that go play a fucking video game you have to realize you not just dealing with dangerous zombies your dealing with people who can snap any minute people you don't know killing you because they want what you have people turning on you it's a show about PEOPLE and people talk dumbasses.........happy they did kill Shane but really pissed they killed Dale without him fucking Andrea instead they use his death to make her become a better person not there relationship and Carl shouldve killed Shane both times the comic is way better but the show is still good wish they followed the comic more but overall I'm ok with the show not thrilled

  • March 12, 2012, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Nothing wrong with TWD

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    I've enjoyed every episode, and so far, every anomaly has been explained at some point in a later episode. This show doesn't waste an inch, so I'm happy to give it the benefit of the doubt when it leaves unanswered questions, because I know they'll get answered later. Some of you, however seem to want things spelled out for you every step of the way the minute they happen! This is a drama, not a tutorial!

  • March 12, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Love the show

    by Extr3m1st

    And so do most people who watch it, the clowns on this site are the vocal minority. You guys hate practically everything so none of what you all say means shit to me. There are a few guys who post on here that I take seriously. I agree with some comments that everyone seems to make everywhere but it is still a very cool idea and they do a good job for the most part. I like the actors who are involved and that is all I can ask for. Shane was a great character. Rick is changing, he will evolve. I love Sarah Callie, she is a piece of ass..don't go by what you see of her here. This show is going to be here for 3 or 4 more years. I have no doubt about it. No matter what a few half assed wetbacks on this site say.

  • March 12, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Can't we just all get along?

    by rakesh patel

    Anatomy of haters / believers 1. Refute everything the geek in opposition has to say 2. Concede they may have some valid points 3. Get the last word in

  • March 12, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST

    The last word

    by Paul Paradis

    Charge oh righteous defenders of The Yawning Dead. Toss out more childish attacks just because people have the nerve to have a differing opinion about the quality of season 2.

  • March 12, 2012, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Yup Broken Neck=Paralyzed Randall

    by rsdigi

    I agree with graphix up there and thought about this. Even if Randall's Neck snapped there is no way the brain could send signals to the legs to move etc. Even by zombie standards this is wrong! Nitpicking...

  • March 12, 2012, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Nat portmans blah blah

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    I dont need shit spelled out for me. Yes a herd being drawn to the farm could easily happen but the way they handled it was SHIT and you know it, as do all the other viewers posting here. It was silly and contrived which makes it bad fucking writing. It wouldnt be so bad were it not for the fact these are the two words that always tend to describe TWD's larger story developments.

  • Like Game of Thrones and True Blood. Probably a bunch of other shows. Sophia as a zombie was done well, just a bit stupid that she was in the barn all along. However Dale and Shane dying was not awesome... It was stupid. It made no sense at all that Rick decided they should go after the kid, when the kid already knew where they lived and they were planning on letting him go. Shane pretty much died for nothing, and he deserve a far better death than that. Also what the hell was the kid doing out there alone at night? Jesus, terrible parenting.. Rick and that lady should not be having another child! I know Shane's death was to show how the kid was growing up or what ever, and how Rick was becoming harder, but they didn't back it up enough. Having one scene where the kid is afraid to shoot a zombie, and another the next day where he can easily shoot a zombie isn't enough.

  • March 12, 2012, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Carl got robbed...

    by Billyeveryteen

    Saving Rick by shooting live murderous Shane though the neck, is way more powerful... A pity.

  • March 12, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST

    it's a drama about the people

    by HongKongCavalier

    That's the same argument used after the finale of Lost completely disregarded years of things that had nothing to do with "the people" (dimension/alternate time shifting island, statues, etc.) ... and for the record, that rant by ihatefanboys was hilarious. All the assumptions and generalizations from someone who, in the same post, accuses fanboys of doing the same thing. anyway ... now that it's pretty clear what the CDC dude whispered to Rick ("you don't have to get bitten or scratched. If you die, you reanimate ... period") Still prefer to watch Shameless "live" and TWD on DVR (after House of Lies and Californication)

  • March 12, 2012, 9:21 p.m. CST


    by steve

    Are you guys that bored? Don't watch stuff you don't like! DAMN!

  • More 'splosions an' shit. Depressing as all hell.

  • March 12, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST


    by JaredP

    why the fuck are you guys still watching if the show gets you so pissed off? i mean the show must be doing something right if you still tune in

  • Because I got news for you: in the real world dead is dead and people and zombies don't come back to life no matter how you die. Short of someone losing their whole head or being liquified, etc. you can become a zombie. You just gotta go with it, mmkay?

  • Sorry for all you armchair doctors/critics, but if you can have a head separated from a body that keeps on chewing, what difference does a broken neck make to a zombie? arms twitch, and teeth still keep biting. You need to kill the fucking brain!

  • March 13, 2012, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Yo Hercules!

    by NickKicksAssTomorrow

    is the 2-hour Mad Men premiere a proper 2-hour episode, or just the first two one-hour episodes shown back to back?

  • March 13, 2012, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Re: "Stop Watching It If You Don't Like It!"

    by ArmageddonProductions

    Um, you DO realize most of the people who are bitching about the decline of "The Walking Dead" DID like it at some point, right? Which means, they were at least half the reason you're enjoying it right now? Because the show got all those wonderful ratings, thus getting a second (and, at least, a third) season? If everybody who is currently watching the show and bitching about it heeded your advice and actually stopped watching it, I assure you that you'll get exactly what you asked for, because, if the ratings dropped low enough (they will, eventually, anyway), not only will they no longer have anything to bitch about, but you'll have nothing to rub out one to a zombie head-shot to, either, because an impoverished channel like AMC wouldn't bat an eyelash at yanking the plug on it and replacing it with another cheapo "hillbilly justice" show (or maybe a "Mad Men" spinoff) in a heartbeat.</p><p> And whoever said that Romero is making the same zombie movie over and over again is dead wrong. If he were making more DAWN or DAY OF THE DEADs, chances are high that many, many more people would have bothered to watch them. LAND OF THE DEAD was excrement ... and that was the good one of the bunch. DIARY OF THE DEAD would have benefitted from being written by someone who is actually aware of the Internet or post-Eighties' computer and video technology and SURVIVAL OF THE DEAD ... Jesus H. Christ. If he makes a fourth one, I'm hoping it's just a YouTube video of his n'er-do-well son Christopher shambling around in the backyard wearing green greasepaint in between shared hits off a doobie with his old man.

  • March 13, 2012, 4:47 a.m. CST

    Some of you people confuse good drama with shitty drama.

    by Volllllume3

    TWD obviously falls into the latter catergory.

  • March 13, 2012, 7:38 a.m. CST

    armageddonproductions re: everybody infected

    by obidawsn

    It's not obvious that everyone is infected. Not to the audience and not to the characters. It's a debate that a friend of mine had a while back. No where in the show have they mentioned that everyone is infected. They even said that you are infected by a bite or scratch. It's what the characters believed until now. They've had no reason to think otherwise. They believed it was a disease that was spread through those bites and scratches. That's why they went to the CDC, hoping for a cure. The idea that everyone is infected wasn't even brought up in the comics until later on in the story from where the show is, so that can't be used as an argument against the show. Could people have died from something other than a zombie and came back? Probably, but we haven't seen it, and obviously, nor have the characters. So it's not a stretch to say that it's a surprise.

  • March 13, 2012, 7:49 a.m. CST


    by obidawsn

    The reason Rick went after the kid even though he was going to release him was because he believed he was armed and dangerous, and he wanted the kid left miles away (in fact an hour away, as he said earlier in the episode). Rick even said that before he ran off into the woods. But it was obvious that as the search went on that Rick wasn't as concerned with finding him as he was putting the pieces together that Shane's story was false. And as for Carl not being able to shoot a zombie one day and easily shooting Shane the next isn't the whole story. For one, Carl didn't easily shoot Shane. He had the same hesitation that he had before. But this time, he knew the consequences if he didn't do it. He had already suffered the idea that him not killing the zombie in the swamp had cost Dale his life, and not killing zombie Shane would result in more deaths (including his dad and possibly himself). It wasn't just a quick shot of "look, the kid is growing up." It was a way of showing that his actions/inactions before and seeing the consequences resulted in his learning that the world is changing and that what he does or doesn't do matters. To show him unable to kill a zombie he didn't even know, then show him having to kill zombie Shane, was a way of showing his growth as a character, and how his choices can affect others.

  • ...yet breathlessly await the arrival of a 5ft black chick with a samurai sword and two zombies tethered by a logging chain? Boy, if ANYTHING will add some realism to the series and make TOTAL sense, that should do it.

  • March 13, 2012, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Other nitpicks

    by obidawsn

    After reading through the complaints, I'm trying to remember other nitpicks that people had. I do remember someone asking why Shane didn't just kill Rick outright, as that's who he is. But that's not who Shane is. He may have been going psycho, but him and Rick were best friends. They were partners on the police force and have known each other for years. Like Rick said, Shane's a good guy, but he can make mistakes when he gets torqued up. His rash decisions and complaints against Rick are all from the stress and his anger at losing Lori. The person that Shane has become this season, especially after killing Otis, wasn't who Shane was before. We've seen where Shane cared for Rick, especially while he was in the coma. We saw that Shane was all talk and ego. He even had trouble killing Randall, at first. But even if he could easily kill Otis and Randall, he still couldn't bring himself to killing his best friend, no matter how much he might have come to hate him and disagreed with him. Rick was counting on that, and that's why he was able to get so close to him. But having to kill Shane tore him up inside. He knew Shane was dangerous, and could probably kill him, if given the chance, but he still wanted to believe in him. He couldn't kill a kid he barely knew that had already shot at him, not less Shane. So it's expected for him to react the way he did by crying over it. Seriously, some of the complaints I keep hearing over and over again about TWD can easily be figured out if they would just pay attention to the dialogue. Other complaints are just a matter of opinion (i.e. how they handle certain characters like Dale & Shane or how the comic is better than the show). There are some nitpicks that are legitimate, but that's all they really are. Overall, I think TWD is a great show. It's the only show on, right now, that makes me want to keep coming back to see where it goes (except for Fringe). But, to be honest, I like the show a lot more than the comic. I haven't read all of the comic, as I am interested in the show and don't want to spoil too much (as even though things are a bit different, they still bring in a lot of what happened in the comics story wise). I have read the first book (i.e. first year of issues) that ends with them making it to the prison. Reading that in a couple of days does make it seem like the show is dragging, but in reality it's not. I really didn't like how they handled the character/story development in the comic. A lot of it is too abrubt and quick. But I think it's more of the medium and not necessarily the writing. TV shows area completely different medium that needs fleshing out. Not just ink to real flesh, but the stories and characters need to be fleshed out more, as TV allows for that and is expected. I couldn't imagine watching a show where they jump from one thing to the next each episode. In just reading the same time span in the comics as the TV show, I found that I didn't care one bit about the people who died. How those deaths affected the others, maybe, but not those who died. And that's what the TV show is doing, too. There's more emphasis on how the deaths affect the others than how awesome the death looks or impactful it is in the moment. Sophia's death was devastating, and I thought Dale's death was very powerful (given the discussion that he was bringing up the entire time before his death), and now we see how Dale's death is affecting the others. Rick is now leaning more towards doing things right, instead of listening to Shane's arguments (which, of course, he doesn't have to worry about, anymore) and Andrea is starting to turn back to the person she was before. I know people want hard characters, but I don't. I want to see humanity in the characters. That's how we connect with them and care about them. I have never been able to connect with a character that is completely hard, and I wonder the state of those who do.

  • March 13, 2012, 9:46 a.m. CST

    RE: MOOORREEE ACTION! Less talking!

    by Samantha

    I remember when I was an uneducated toddler who didn't understand plot and character development. It seems a lot of you remember as well! The reason they talk so much in the Walking Dead is because it's not some shoot-em-up zombie action flick. It's an alternative universe documentary about survivors surviving. Not survivors shooting down as many infected as possible. If you wanted to watch zombie guts splattered every minute with no actual plot, I suggest watching your friend play Call of Duty: World at War because I'm sure you're still young enough to hang around like-minded preteens. Just the fact that you're complaining about dialogue in a television show tells me that you have nothing better to do and you can't enjoy a good thing for what it is. Anyone who has ever read a book or watched a quality movie or show and understands the concept of character development and that's exactly what they're doing when they TALK. Rarely can you develop characters by having them annihilate zombies 24/7. In conclusion, if you don't want to listen to characters being in character and DISCUSSING things and TALKING, then go on Netflix and watch Dead Snow or something equally as dull.

  • I feel really sorry for all of those paraplegic zombies in wheelchairs.

  • March 13, 2012, 4:47 p.m. CST

    I've noticed

    by Cujo_Fugate

    that comments from people criticizing TWD contain a much higher level of intelligence than comments from those that defend it. I suppose it's because to not be able to discern the enormous plot holes and terrible dialogue would mean a complete inability to think clearly and understand the difference between the common concepts of "good" and "not good." I've noticed that those that defend the show use words and phrases like "haters gonna hate" and "bitches" and those that criticize use phrases like "lazy writing" and "plot holes." It seems that the stupid fucking idiots who defend the show can't offer up an explanation for anything. They only attack those who criticize. Typical of those with little brain power.

  • March 13, 2012, 5:10 p.m. CST

    I hate the words "penultimate" and "antepenultimate"

    by supermans_red_underpants

    And any other versions. So overused.

  • March 13, 2012, 6:23 p.m. CST

    cujo_fugate, that's quite a skill

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    seeing intelligence levels in off-the-cuff text in a talkback. It's also impressive, that you scanned over the frankly abusive way a lot of those that claim to hate this show tried to get their message across, but as I can't glean intelligence from a few paragraphs of text like you, I can't really assume that's part of your criteria. I hope spelling didn't interfere with your "intelli-sense", after all some could be dyslexic. I would however, point out that "lazy writing" and "plot holes." aren't really intelligent arguments in themselves, in fact I'd say they were the go-to phrases of choice for armchair-warriors who can't really back up their comments with solid arguments. But hey, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

  • March 13, 2012, 7:06 p.m. CST

    The Walking Dead Finale in NYC

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Anyone in the NYC area is welcome to attend the Finale at Professor Thoms! Located at 219 2nd Avenue NY 10003 (212) 260-9480 We have drink specials and anyone who shows up as a zombie gets a few free beers. Also, everytime a zombie gets popped, they give out red jello shots. Not bad, huh?

  • March 13, 2012, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Did the Laws of Physics change between seasons?

    by E. D.

    Season 1, opening scene of the 1st episode. This is how a little girl's (hell, anyone's) body would react to being shot at point-blank range with a handgun of any kind: Season 2: Sophia shot. This is how lazy fucking writers and cheap showrunners who don't pay attention to even obvious details do it: (guide for the fanboys: Sophia just falls straight down with absolutely zero recoil of any kind) There have been dozens of these ridiculous sorts of physics, continuity and deux ex machina mess ups in every single Season 2 episode; it is now expected. How can anyone seriously take this scene (and the whole fucking season) as anything other than a disaster, with laughter and snickering and rolling of eyes replacing what should be emotion and empathizing with the character situations.

  • Cause if it's just cause of some virus in the air then it really should affect anyone living anyway.

  • March 14, 2012, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Talking versus Walking

    by lv_426

    I have to say while I do agree with some of the criticisms being made about TWD as a TV show, I still found last night's episode to be worthwhile overall. The fact that Randall was able to walk around with a broken neck after he reanimated was lazy, but it didn't bother me that much. Although, it would have been creepy if Daryl and Glenn heard some zombie gibberish coming from the woods, then they find Randall as a zombie, twitching yet unable to stand up. It wouldn't have been as suspenseful or action packed as the scene we ended up with, but it could have been really creepy and downright unsettling. As for all these characters dying suddenly at the end of season 2 (with some more deaths next week too I'd wager), it does seem a bit much. I'm still kind of processing Dale's death, then boom, Randall and Shane get killed now. Shane's death was really unsatisfying too. I think they bungled his death with the whole Shane being unable to kill Rick angle to that scene. Actually, I think it might have been more in character for Shane to have let Randall take him to the other group. Shane seems like the kind of guy that is always playing multiple angles, always thinking of new schemes to put himself ahead. Had he went to the other group, he could have taken a look and determined whether or not they were made up of the kind of hard core dude that Shane is (this was implied with Randall's confession to Daryl about how ruthless the other group is). Or, Shane could have gathered some intel and snuck back, saying that when Randall escaped, he persued and was taken hostage by a couple of Randall's buddies that were in the woods. Also, it brings up the idea of maybe they should have sent Daryl and maybe Shane out in the first place to do some recon on this other group. They had the whole debate about Randall and the others as external threat, yet they barely know anything about the other group. A few bad apples they ran into in town and the other group is downright evil? What if the other group had found them, or were watching the farm from the woods? Then they see Rick and Shane, then Rick and Daryl take Randall away. Why start a war with another group. Rick was justified in killing the dudes in the bar, but the whole business with Randall really washed away any justification for the other group to spare at least Rick, Shane, and Daryl some understanding had the two factions met up at some point. Again, what happens when Rick leads the group into dealing with another group of survivors down the line? Rick just seems a too unprepared to be able to broker any type of peace because he is so wishy washy and then appears weak. This is not the Rick of the comics. Also, Shane was right about Rick (and I'd add dumb ass Lori to this) being kind of a dipshit when it came to being a parent. True that there is no *How to Raise a Child in a Zompocalypse* manual, but come on. First Carl is bumbling around in the woods and messes with the skinny walker that kills Dale, then he wanders way out into the field in the middle of the night, after everyone hunkers down inside because Randall was running loose with Shane's gun. WTF? Then he shows up to save daddy from Zombie Shane. Not only that, but Carl got in the way of the execution of Randall (which I didn't agree with but still, come on Rick, decide for fuck's sake). There was also the fact that Carl showed up when Dale was laying in the field with his guts hanging out. Wouldn't a mother make sure Carl stayed inside after they heard Dale yelling bloody murder? For all they know, there could have been multiple walkers shambling around out there. Not really a great idea to have everyone run out into the dark like that, especially an unarmed kid. This makes me wonder, what is wrong with Lori? Seriously, she is the worst character in the show. I could have maybe overlooked her idiotic drive into town to get Rick, which ended in her fucking up the car and nearly getting eaten. Now though? She doesn't seem to be doing anything. She certainly isn't keeping an eye on her son. Maybe she's secretly a lesbian and is in the attic bumping muffs with Carol? I guess on a positive note, we got to see some nice walker slaying in this episode. The end had a nice visual, almost painterly look to it. The shot of Rick and Shane silhouetted against the moon and cloudy sky was an awesome piece of imagery. The contrast between Glenn and Daryl and how they act in a dangerous situation was fun. Glenn spazzes out a bit but the dude can still get the job done. The scene with Glenn and Andrea fixing the RV and remembering Dale was good stuff. Seriously, this stuff is better and more compelling than Rick and Lori kind of messing things up. Although I did like the father son moment with Rick and Carl in the barn. Of course, it makes me wonder if they told Daryl that Carl took the gun from the motorcycle. I will be so fucking pissed if Daryl gets killed or bitten because he ends up going for that pistol and it isn't there. And it was nice that they gave T-Dog something to do and a couple lines to say. It was kind of funny though, when Lori and Hershel were debating over who gets the master bedroom and T-Dog is like * I'll take it if you don't want it* and Lori just gives him this look that says * why are you even here?* It felt very meta in that it gave the impression that T-Dog is so useless that the other people on the show are now questioning whether he should even be there or not, which is something the fans have been joking about for almost the whole series. Why they didn't have Tyrese from the comics is beyond me. He's a pretty fun character and at least served a purpose to the narrative in the comics. I also agree with the weakness of the characters not being able to hear the stumbling, snarling zombies until they are right upon them. Now maybe Dale was hard of hearing, being an old guy and all, but still. Then Rick being oblivious to Shane rising from the dead and trying to eat him. Then in The Talking Dead they showed a clip from next week's finale. Rick and Carl are walking back to the farm house, then stop for another father-son talk. Carls asks why Rick killed Shane. Rick turns and just looks at his son without saying anything with a *I forgot my lines* look on his face, for like ten seconds... Rick is just derp, derp, dee-derp while the zombies are coming at them. Seriously, a whole fucking horde, which not only would have made a lot of noise, would also probably stink something awful. So doe-eyed Rick just kind of goes into standby mode, then slowly turns his head and sees the walkers... derp derp. Maybe it was the way it was shot, but it just came off as comical to me. No, I don't care that there was a horde of undead in the woods on the border of the farmland. These zombies could have easily been wandering around for awhile and were just now making their way to the farm. Had there been no gunshots this zombie horde might have made their way to the farm the next day or so. It just bothers me that you have it seeming a bit coincidental, happening right when the writers need it to. Then add to that Shane's death being a bit unsatisfying along with the notion that he was right, Rick and Lori are shitty parents when it comes to keeping their son safe. Then on top of that the clip for next week's finale showing signs of poor execution from a directing standpoint, means I have lost some of my excitement for this show a bit. Hopefully it will get better. Also, what about this other group that Randall says was five miles away? Is that subplot just going to vanish, or is that zombie horde heading towards the farm the other group?

  • Broken 183 times in Season 2.

  • March 14, 2012, 4:05 a.m. CST

    @lv_426 - some good analysis there.

    by rakesh patel

    i was also thinking how it would have been a if shane defected to the other group. I don't know if his death was set in stone or his impending doom was the impetus for Jon Bernthal to seek ( and get) a new TV show. It would have been an excellent plot line, sufficiently creating a divergent path from the comics, and keeping Shane,it would have created some interesting points was I kid was his? did ricks speech actually work on him. is he the bad guy or isnt he? did he and rick come up with this plan? to weed out a traitor in the group.. would rick become a bad ass by sacrificing him for the group. There could have been a shit load of mileage from this, especially if this was mapped out earlier in the season.

  • March 14, 2012, 8:39 a.m. CST

    If they introduce the Michonne character....

    by maverick68

    they may as well have Batman make an appearance as well, it would be just as realistic.

  • March 14, 2012, 8:40 a.m. CST

    If they introduce Michonne part 2....

    by maverick68

    Move the series to the SyFy Network and have Traci Lords play the part dressed in black face....then Dean Cain can make an appearance as the Governor, only he has special powers....

  • March 14, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Lori Being Stupid

    by GlyphGuy

    My wife would say she has "the pregnancy stupids". Most women would say they get confused or dumbed down at times during their pregnancy. Not sure when this happens exactly, but in Lori's case, this probably happened at the moment of conception. Unfortunately, I think this is just the type of role that Sarah Wayne Callies plays. It's pretty much spot on from her role in Prison Break. She did dumb things on there also that didn't make sense. It was mostly because she fell in love with Michael Scofield and eventually had his baby. I think at this point, I would miss the new Hershel family the most(Hershel, Maggie, and Glenn) Rick and his family can go, although I doubt Rick will be gone anytime soon.

  • March 14, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Lori's character needs to go

    by Diana Prince

    I understand the need for Rick to maintain his survival instinct by way of protecting his family. But Lori needs to die. He will still have Carl to drive his need. Adding a pending newborn baby into the mix has to be a fate sealer for her. There's no way this group survives with a baby in tow and it will just weaken the story even more. Admit I am not familiar with the books so not sure if the baby thing is an existing storyline. But my ideal outcome would be watching her deliver a stillborn baby zombie, killing her in the process. Bye bye Lori.

  • March 14, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST

    And also -- the sho'

    by Diana Prince

  • March 14, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    D'oh! --- The show's title.....

    by Diana Prince

    .... clearly symbollically refers to the humans who are the walking dead, not the zombies who are literally dead bodies walking. For those who criticize the focus on character development instead of zombie killings. Ever hear of the death row term "dead man walking"?

  • March 14, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Looking forward to seeing Michonne

    by Eyegore

    I hope they keep her character intact, katana and all, but forget the pet zombies on a leash. I think the leash zombies were the 2nd dumbest thing I ever saw in the comic, first dumbest being how they sometimes cover themselves in zombie guts and walk among the dead.

  • Only if they can find a way to cut in some stuff from Terminator 2 like the Dean Cain classic Militia managed to do. Also, Left 4 Dead needs to be adapted as a TV series for SyFy. That would be the perfect zombie show for that channel. Seriously, it would make for a more fast paced, slightly less serious but action packed zombie show that would be something different than what we are getting with The Walking Dead.

  • March 14, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST


    by lv_426

    Yeah, I think having Shane leave might have been a really interesting way to take the show and the character. It would have also sort of made sense in that he was planning on leaving the group earlier on in the series. Then with Lori basically telling him *sorry but you got no chance to be with me again dude*... it wouldn't be that big of a leap that instead of killing Rick, Shane might have defected to the others, even just to see what they were like as well as to sort of say *fuck you* to Rick. It also wouldn't have wasted the potential to develop the subplot of having this other, potentially dangerous group that outnumbered them possibly waiting to come to the farm and wreak havoc or just create more problems and conflict. Maybe Shane would have helped lead this other group back to the farm and sort of taken over, in the ultimate F.U. to Rick and Hershel. In Shane's eyes, if this other group wasn't a bunch of psychos or something, then I could see him being of the mind that increasing their numbers would be beneficial. Rick and Hershel's group of about 12 plus the 30 or so of the other group, trained to shoot and kill zombies means you've got yourself a small army there capable of actually defending an area like the farm and the surrounding acres. Also, having Shane leave and appear once in a while with the other group in a subplot story arc could possibly free up some of the actor's time. Maybe he could then continue with TWD, and still appear in Frank Darabont's L.A. Noir? It would be interesting to see how a rival group is getting along and surviving in a different location. At this point, they have diverged pretty far from the comic in all but a few big plot points (like ending up on the farm after leaving the outskirts of Atlanta). Might as well do more with that instead of Carl suddenly appearing out in the middle of a cow pasture in the middle of the night so that he can shoot Shane. Of course, my theory still stands that the horde of walkers that emerged from the woods could end up being the remains of the other group that Randall came from. They could have been overrun and infected, with those that weren't eaten blending in with another mob of walkers in the time between the shootout at the bar and now. Throw in a few stragglers from the woods that joined the pack and you've got quite a few unwanted guests on Hershel's property.

  • March 14, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST

    TWD really is a frustrating one

    by alexander

    First of all... Cherry Blossom! Just don't know how I feel about The Walking Dead at this point. Potentially great moments or payoffs seem squandered by vaguely defined and understated character personalities, motives, performances etc., that mask some really hastily thought out and ill-conceived contrivances of plot and relationship dynamics... I hope it improves a hell of alot next season

  • March 14, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    that said, the Rick, Lori Shane dynamic does make sense to me

    by alexander

    Shanes behaviour is very realistic and true to nature, with more than a few people I know anyway. Ricks reaction to him and Lori also.

  • March 14, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST


    by rakesh patel

    i was thinking the other day about what Sam Witwer said Darabont had planned for twd and the flashback that would have told us how the solider go there. You've described essentially another group like the talies or others, being lead by Shane. honestly it sounds like a great idea. i think it would have added more depth and layers into the series. Like lost, you come to expect the loss of people ( the problem here has been that for most of the cast their individuals stories have been so underdeveloped that i don't really care if they die or not) So maybe as per your suggestion stragglers join up to replace ( one in , one out!) those left. Cant expect too many people though because of the cuts. The budget cuts and the coup d'état of Darabont have really hurt this series imho, both issues have contributed to us being left with glimpses of brilliance when before we had fucking genius.

  • March 14, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST


    by rakesh patel

    found these, never saw them before

  • And they are all violating well-established plot rules from Season 1 way too frequently. Like I said before, this is due to how the show is driven now: they come up with some sensational yet linear zombie kill or DUH DUH DUUUUUH moment, and just work backwards keeping cheapness and set reuse in mind to advance them to that point. They no longer create complex, layered and interwoven story arcs, and then realize them with whatever it takes to fillm them. Look, there's not a thing wrong with a lot of exposition (that's 'talking' for you fanboys) when it serves a real purpose other than filling in space. And there is so much filler nowadays that picking out much genuine effort like Season 1 was full of is too much of a chore. For example, I would have appreciated Herschel's watch gift scene to Glenn a LOT more if it weren't surrounded by 10+ episodes of fluff and wasted time. That was a good scene, amidst some not-do-good-ones. Oh, and Shane should have been killed in episode 4 or so. That's how compressed the season should be.

  • March 14, 2012, 6:51 p.m. CST

    HBO cancels LUCK !!

    by Acid_Frio