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New AVENGERS Trailer!

Published at: Feb. 29, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST

Nordling here.

Dammit, I can't see this where I'm at so this will be quick.  Enjoy, true believers! (HERE in HD - look for Trailer 2!!) 

Thanks to JoBlo for the embed.  THE AVENGERS opens May, 2012.

Now that I've seen it...

This is the movie I've dreamed of seeing since I was a little kid.  I know it's stupid to draw geek lines in the sand, but I'm far more excited for this than THE DARK KNIGHT RISES.  I love what Nolan's done for Batman, I love that series so far, but this... this is "Let's play Avengers in the backyard!  I'll be Iron Man!  You be Hulk!" stuff.  Straight out of the childhood bliss of just loving comics for the joy of it.  This one... this is what I've wanted to see since I was 8 years old.  So, so great.

Nordling, out.  Follow me on Twitter!

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  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Nope

    by JumpinJehosaphat

    Imbed not workin'.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST

    first, bitches

    by Steve

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST

    YES!

    by Raindog789

    that is all

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Broken link

    by ravenloff

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST

    the last 40 seconds actually made me cry

    by mr

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Holy Fuck.

    by The Real McClane

    That's more like it.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    No link!

    by billF

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    BUT WHEN WILL THE NEW DARK KNIGHT RISES TRAILER COME OUT???

    by Steve

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    You can see it here

    by Gabe Athouse

    http://www.totalfilm.com/news/Watch-the%20full-Avengers-trailer-online-now

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    GOOOOOOD DAMN!!!

    by Rat Fink

    That's one fine lookin movie

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Oh, and Leviathan, apparently.

    by Gabe Athouse

    Boss battle!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Ruffallo...

    by Karl Childers

    ..looks pretty well-dressed for somebody hiding out in a hovel.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    I'm in...

    by LouisWu

    Didn't think Whedon (and im a fan) could pull off large scale action, but I am totally willing to eat that crow!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    this is exactly

    by Nekros

    what i had hoped for, a lot of great character moments, huge action yet left feeling we haven't even seen anything yet .....this summer will be a great one

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    YouTube Link for those who need it

    by Karl Childers

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY9DnBNJFTI&feature=player_embedded#!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Looks great.

    by eric haislar

    Hulk saving Iron Man was bad ass. Also the ending was totally unexpected.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    You the Man, Nord!

    by scrote

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    That Hulk / Iron Man shot made me piss myself.

    by The Real McClane

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Fuckin right!

    by Sodomy_Joe_Shitpants

    Gonna be amazing.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Really looking forward to it but.....

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    Black Widow doing anything against the Skrulls seems ludicrous (odd team member choice). Also, I'm curious how they deal with making Hulk controllable.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!

    by thot

    Cool ass trailer that gives us a much better idea as to the scope and feel of the movie. This'll be a home-run! I'm also liking the look of the Hulk. More brutish than previous versions.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Cool, I loved the Hulk saving Ironman bit too!

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    But are we to assume from this trailer the film isnt in proper widescreen? That displeases me.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST

    THAT.....WAS.....AWESOMSE!!!!

    by templesweeper

    "Guys, I'm bringing the party to you...." And then that awesome ship thing.... Loved seeing Cap flying through the sky. Hulk catching Iron Man.... Oh my goodness. Thank god that this movie is only about 2 months away.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST

    We're NOT a TEAM....

    by jed

    ....we're a ticking time BOMB! I have faith!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST

    That was fuckin awesome though

    by Steve

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    im seeing about 12 films this year and this is one of them

    by Robert Evans

    looks like fun.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Hey Naysayers...

    by TDH1138

    SUCK IT!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Sometimes being a geek/nerd has it's rewards

    by Nerd Rage

    Times like this.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Sold. Amazing.

    by ClayMatthews

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    I about damn cried when Hulk caught Iron Man.

    by pizzatheface

    Seriously.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Holy Shit

    by doc420

    That was badass!!!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST

    i_snake_plissken

    by TDH1138

    Are we 100% sure it's Skrulls? I heard Ultron also. As for Hulk, he was working on his own self control at the end of his film... I have to image it'll play a part in the whole thing.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST

    LooKs great

    by Bass Ackwards

    Amidst all that action, bow and arrow still seem stupid to me though. I don't even have a problem with Scarlett, highly trained military gal, not great but ok. But highly trained military guy...with a bow and arrow? Stupid. Complaint aside, that trailer looked superb. Definitely going to be in line for this one.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Hulk catching Iron Man....

    by SwedgeAntilles

    JUST F**KED MY EYEBALLS!!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST

    So is Leviathan a ship, a monster, or both?

    by Gabe Athouse

    It's also weird that now I'm dying to see what they've got planned for the sequel, being that I haven't seen this one yet. I'm hoping they shake up the cast.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST

    so want to full screen this beaut

    by teddy_duchamp

    but im working right now. looks amazing but is it just me or do the colours look a little washed out? kind of TV movie style? anyways love the trailer

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Midgard Serpent?

    by Razorpie1

    The thing at the end...Methinks 'tis the Midgard Serpent...Verily and all that..

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST

    It looks like we're in for the best summer in a while.

    by Robert Evans

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Right On

    by Kent

    this movie is going to rock....even if it has a weak storyline, it's going to come together just fine. Plus, Hulk saving Iron Man? Best scene from any superhero movie Marvel has put out yet. Can't wait to see how they get the Hulk under control.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST

    See Kids/whiners..Cap looks good.

    by TheAwareness

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    100% BADASS

    by 3D-Man

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    I'm reallt glad Michael Bay directed the action scenes.

    by Randy

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Hulk saving Iron Man just made if for me!

    by Flames gotta Eat

    Got me so psyched, that is what I wanted from this movie. And the action looks kind of insane in a good way. Iron Man is tearing it up. Can't wait.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Hulk...

    by series

    ...has always had slow moments in the comics and his previous films. He just has to know you, and have no reason to be mad at you. So I think all of the characters are going to make it their business to be best buds with Bruce banner.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Empire reckon that thing at the end is Fin Fang Foom

    by DonLogan

    whatever that is...

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Marvel meets Transformers

    by elsewhere

    It didn't really wow me, but I'll still watch it. The Dark Knight Rises and The Amazing Spider-Man trailers were better in my opinion.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    So we're all agreed?

    by Righteous Brother

    It look's awesome? A big dumb summer action movie. Who'll be the first naysayer?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    I'm with you pizzatheface!!

    by DoctorWho?

    Can't believe how cool that was.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    WOW

    by danny rose

  • It's on.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST

    @razorpie1

    by Baron Von Marrsterhausen

    That be FING FANG FOOM!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST

    FING FANG FOOM is a Decepticon!?

    by Baron Von Marrsterhausen

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fin_Fang_Foom

    by Baron Von Marrsterhausen

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    That's a lot of awesome trailer for any film to live up to...

    by Le Vicious Fishus

    Fingers crossed, oh my brothers.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    LOVE the ending 2:18+

    by CoolFrood

    More realistic than anything from Transformers.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    I'm dead. I died... it was worth it.

    by tile_mcgillus

    This trailer is like what I dreamed Avengers would be like, which is the best compliment I can give.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    great trailer

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    I wish they showed the part where Hawkeye argues with a doorman about his backpack, but other than that perfect

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST

    but the poster sucked, remember?

    by fred

    this movie will tank! so sayeth the talkbackers.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Black Widow ...

    by Judge Briggs

    I really hope that Whedon's addresses her 'out of place' part ... did we really need her in this movie? She's so out-of-place.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST

    MIDGARD SERPENT

    by Razorpie1

    That's what it is...

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST

    This TB is so hilarious! That looked good??!! Are u kidding?????

    by LowDevil

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST

    SCARLETT JOHANNSON IS THE SEXIEST BEANPOLE TOMBOY ON THE PLANET!

    by Le Vicious Fishus

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST

    You had me at Captain America HALO jump.

    by whatevillurks

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST

    This looks like fun.

    by sonofbronson

    Hopefully it delivers.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST

    I LOVE THE LOVE HERE!!

    by Flames gotta Eat

    With the old trailers there were so many haters on these boards! Love the turn around (for the most part) guys and gals. But we're right, this is the best thing we've seen thus far in their marketing campaign. This trailer simply rocks. Yes the 'splosions look a little generic and it gets a little Transformers for my taste but if you grew up with these characters YOU'VE GOT TO BE PSYCHED seeing some of this footage. If you aren't you are just too jaded.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Why it's not Fin Fang Foom.

    by Gabe Athouse

    It doesn't look like Fin Fang Foom, it sure as fuck won't be referred to as Fin Fang Foom, won't have the same origin story, and, most importantly - no purple underpants! http://tinyurl.com/6wyzugr

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Could be some year for movies..

    by kwisatzhaderach

    The Avengers, Prometheus, Dark Knight Rises, Amazing Spider Man, Bourne Legacy, Skyfall, The Hobbit, Kathryn Bigelow's Osama film, Django Unchained, The Master, Lincoln, Cogan's Trade, perhaps a new Malick...

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    @judge briggs - Black Widow isn't out of place, you are!

    by CeejayNightwing

    With your perception that this is still based on the 616 universe version of Avengers. It isnt! It's based on the Ultimates where she's a member of Shield and also a firm member of the Team. Me thinks you missed the whole narrative of the Iron Man movies building up to this team and are far too much a 616 universe overly-costumed clown fan!

  • Everyone else was great.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Transvengers the movie

    by higgledyhiggles

    I`m sure it`ll be a suffiecient diversion but FX sure do go in waves.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    TMI? Maybe, but...

    by Neurotica

    I got a little hard watching that trailer. And yeah, Hulk catching Iron Man? Whoo boy!! And finally, they've made Hulk's facial features matching the actor (in this case, Ruffalo! Awesome casting, btw) playing him! Wow! Geeks assemble!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Black Widow / Hawkeye

    by firewhale

    I think that scene towards the end, where Black Widow is saying, "this isn't like anything we've trained for" might be addressing how neither of them are super-heroes and wtf are they doing in this situation. It seems likely that someone as knowledgeable about comics (see his astonishing "Astonishing X-Men" arc) as Whedon might anticipate this needed to be addressed. I think that was pretty much everything I could hope for in an Avengers trailer. Can't believe this movie is actually happening.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Iron Man is bringing the party to us! I'm in!

    by Bob

    Looks amazing! Haters fuck off.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    by JV

    I love the final "hero" shot where the Hulk is hulking up, Thor is clutching the might Mjolnir, Iron Man and Captain America are ready to unleash their respective powers, and then there's a dude whipping out a BOW AND FREAKING ARROW. I realize that he's the most bad ass archer in the history of the universe or whatever, but can he at least get a weapon that has been relevant in the last century?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    I'm not interested.

    by DuncanDisorderly

    The only things that look decent about this movie are Iron Man and The Hulk. The rest of the costumes and characters look like shite.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    @hyperdyne-systems-model-120-a2

    by Baron Von Marrsterhausen

    You can see his purple pants if you watch in 1080p fullscreen! Honest! ;-)

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Where's all the poster-hating douchebags now?

    by BetaRayBill07

    Hulk catching Iron Man = badassery

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    16:9???

    by vadakinX

    The trailer looks awesome but why the hell is it in 16:9? Don't tell me Whedon shot for that aspect. I'm sure most of you don't care about aspect ratios, but cinema screens, with rare exception, are built to carry a "Cinemascope" aspect ratio. If this film is 16:9 then a significant portion of the screen isn't going to be used, which is going to be a real shame. This thing needs to fill the screen. 2.39 (2.40):1 just looks more cinematic. I really hope this was just cropped for an internet trailer.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Five Movies I will see Opening Night...

    by CoolFrood

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Everything the poster lacked...

    by HyphenatedWords

    ...this trailer has is spades. <br> <br> Moments like the Hulk saving Iron Man – it's a true cinema moment that can't be captured as well in a comic book or cartoon – they excite the hell out of me. <br> <br> Cap flying down. Wow.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Can anyone else say "Transformers Rip-Off" ...

    by MattHooper

    Or is that just me ?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    not saying this doesnt look cool...

    by soup74

    im excited for it, but... when i first heard this movie might come into existence it didnt seem possible to me. SO many big names and superheroes in one movie. watching the trailer it just seems ..kinda normal. i can't really explain it. i think ive just grown jaded. still excited for the movie, though.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Very cool. Excited now.

    by CodeName

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Five Movies I will see Opening Night...

    by CoolFrood

    (in alphabetical order) Avengers Dark Knight Rises Hobbit Hunger Games Prometheus

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST

    What was up with the first trailer...

    by ScorpioRising

    This trailer was f'ing awesome. WTF were they thinking with the first trailer with the crappy music? I think the first trailer did more damage than good.

  • Er-er-er-er.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Does this mean Qui-gon dies????

    by HyphenatedWords

    When Thor shouts his cinematic Noooooooo! I can only assume that Qui-gon dies in this film. <br> Or Loki just told him he's his father. <br> Or he as just been reborn as a cyborg. <br> Or he just saw Doc get shot. <br> Or he just saw Obi-wan sliced in half. <br> Or....

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Cap's Helmet

    by zer0cool2k2

    Looks better in motion, at least. and in the profile shot in the woods with Iron Man and Thor, it doesn't look nearly as bad as those first still made it seem. Hulk catching a freefalling Iron Man was pretty sweet, but Scarlet popping a clip in her handgun as the whole super team stood around her made me giggle.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST

    @ bryanfantana

    by Judge Briggs

    I know, man... I thought the same thing... don't get me wrong, I can't fucking wait to see this flick. Just wished that Hawkeye would use something else that doesn't make him look silly. Same with Black Widow... she looks akwardly placed in that group. And this is coming from an avid reader of all Marvel comics!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Well THAT got the geek juices flowin'!

    by D.Vader

    I love that orgasmic shiver good trailers can send through your body.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST

    I have not read comics as a collector for many years now...

    by WeylandYutani

    although I will read the occasional graphic novel from time to time. Based on this trailer however, this is very much how my teenage mind thought an Avengers movie might look and feel knowing full well, as a kid in the mid 90s, that it would never ever happen... 1. because Marvel did not make major studio releases of their properties and 2. There is no way you could get that many A and B list actors into one superhero film. My 13 year old self is happy to be wrong... we will see if the film holds up to the well cut trailers.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Rambo was such a loser. Bringing a bow to a gun fight.

    by pizzatheface

    How could that possibly be cool? Also, Legolas, grow up and grab a sword.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    616 Universe IS the Main Universe

    by Afzal

    and Black Widow is pretty much useless against Hulk, Thor, and Captain America. Iron Man on the other hand.....

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    I feel like this will do what Transformers never does.

    by whatevillurks

    Actually have a logical progression from points A to B. Stop comparing them.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    THE moment I'm looking forward to.....

    by BetaRayBill07

    Hulk vs. Whateverthehellthatthingis. It's on.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Love the Big three face off...

    by carlotta_valdes

    ...and the Hulk catch, but I sure wish Ed Norton was in that shack with Emily Blunt going to retrieve him (in a perfect world). Cap's costume as presented here, will be a visual challenge for sure...but much more good than bad in this. Looks big, with attention to character beats and most importantly fun!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Chris Hemsworth

    by BetaRayBill07

    Yes, I know he hasn't said much in the trailers....but with each trailer, seems to get better.

  • I mean, aside from Banner's rage problem, that is. Thor has the most to lose here I'd feel. Stark just likes to win, Cap wants to do what's right and save the world, but Thor has to deal with all these issues with his sibling, knowing its his brother that's killing people and he has to stop him. He could end up having the most dramatic arc here.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Hulk Snatched Iron Man Like Catcher Freeman!!

    by RedRum1977

    Watched the Boondocks before the seeing trailer. This will be one fun movie. Hope Hulk has a least one speaking line.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Wow.

    by blackwood

    Really, really excited. I even forgot to be bothered by Cap's costume. Damn good trailer. It looks like a home run. I loved CAPTAIN AMERICA, really liked THOR and IRON MAN. This trailer makes me want to have a Marvel marathon right now.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Hawkeye's superpower is he manages not to get killed three times a day.

    by Gabe Athouse

    He's like Batman with an archery kit. Try to think of it that way.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST

    THREE CHEERS FOR HULK!

    by tomandshell

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST

    d.vader

    by BetaRayBill07

    Well said. If Whedon is smart, Thor will have the final shot at Loki.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I'll admit it I geeked out when Hulk caught Iron Man.

    by Mitch

    May needs to hurry the fuck up.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Cinemascope? Or not?

    by tomandshell

    I don't think I'm the only one concerned by the aspect ratio of that trailer.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Whedon haters disassemble!

    by darthflagg

    Move along. You just got owned. Don't worry, you can still hate on not-so-Amazing Spider-Man.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:07 p.m. CST

    FUCK YES!

    by DOGSOUP

    Finally something worth going to midnight opening day!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST

    I think I may have just disgraced myself!

    by hobbitfeet

    Which would have been fine had I not been in the office. Spillage in isle 3!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Unreal.

    by MainMan2001

    Wow! I wanna see that right fucking now!!!!!!!!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Tell me again how Whedon don't know what he's doing

    by Terrence

    Go ahead, tell me.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST

    See, that's how you cut a trailer!

    by Christopher3

    There's nothing wildly different or clever in this one than in any 2012 other action movie trailer. But it gets all the beats right.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Australia gets it April 25th? Lucky basterds!

    by VanGoghX

    A week earlier than the US, eh? Not fair!!!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Bow and Arrow

    by indyhu

    As long as there are no stupid Boxing Glove arrows (Though that was more of a Green Arrow kind of thing), there are a lot of tricked out type arrows that Stark and Shield could provide that can make Hawkeye quite formidable. Also, as I had understood some of the plot info over the last few months, Hawkeye has quite the influence over the Hulk.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Looks great, but two questions...

    by The Dude Abides

    1) Why is Black Widow in this? 2) When are directors going to stop using that "down on one knee, head tilts up" pose?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST

    RIP DAVY JONES

    by Robert Evans

    Go watch HEAD now.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST

    That trailer was so good, even The Black Widow didn't bother me.

    by Farrokh

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST

    I'm so f#cking in

    by Lost Skeleton

    Nuff said

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST

    LOVED it, except...

    by Detached

    Iron Man knocking Thor off his feet, when Thor sees him coming? No chance. Thor actually hitting Cap's shield with his hammer? There wouldn't be anything left of either the shield or Cap. Of course, it's hard to say, without seeing the context of the scenes. But overall, this thing looks absolutely terrific. I hope most people realize just how difficult it is to pull off a movie of this scope, with so many characters to balance, a sufficiently epic plot, etc. I. Am. So. There.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Skrulls?

    by GulDucati

    Anyone get a good look? All I saw was green goblin looking guys zipping around really fast.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    In the Avengers cartoon, Hawkeye and Hulk had a good rapport

    by D.Vader

    They had a good relationship, helping each other out and cracking jokes at the other's expense.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    This Avengers geek since he was a kid is completely sold.

    by Brian Hopper

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    "Avengers Initiative" or...

    by theFUZZ008

    Avenger Initiative?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST

    True Believers

    by Tank Williams

    Your damn right Nordling! This looks absolutely incredible. Waiting since I was a kid indeed. CANT FUCKING WAIT

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Hulk catching Iron Man almost made me well up...

    by Farrokh

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Looks pretty nifty.

    by buggerbugger

    If anything kills this movie, it'll be Whedon's usual shitwank dialogue. Interesting to note that, according to some talkbackers, you **can't** judge an entire movie based on a 2-minute trailer if you think the trailer looks shitty, but you **can** judge an entire movie based on a 2-minute trailer if you think the trailer looks decent.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Go Whedon!!

    by Tank Williams

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Thor still seems way out of place

    by ebolamonkey

    Loved the Avengers in the comics, Thor just seems out of place in what was established as Tony Stark's world back in the original Iron Man. They keep trying with the "magic is science" thing, but he just makes me cringe every time he's on screen.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST

    I think I just had a heart attack...

    by Robo-Obi

    Wow.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap......

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    .....excuse me a minute, I'm almost done....... .....okay I'm done. I'm going to watch it 99 more times, then let you know what I think - if you don't already know.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST

    UK audiences aren't fucking dumb, you know.

    by Robert Evans

    I think they'll know the difference between this AVENGERS, featuring a massive green hulk and a dude in red, white and blue tights, and the John Steed-Emma Peel property.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    detached

    by NightArrows

    EXACTLY my thoughts. No way in the fuck of hell would either of them stand a minuscule chance against Thor. Iron Man's already felt Thor's ass whupping (great dialogue after Thor completely kicks the living shit out of Tin Man): http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/60216/1538869-thor_super.jpg That being said, I will wait for the context of the scene because overall this whole movie has me hooked and really fucking excited.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Yup, I got a little misty when Hulk caught Iron Man as well.

    by david_boreanez_cunt_hairz

    I yelled FUCKIN RIGHT!! when it ended. can't wait!!!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    LOKI: I have an army.

    by buggerbugger

    IRON MAN: We've got a Hulk. LOKI: Well... that's it, I'm unleashing my gigantic robot cocksnake.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Two things:

    by Cartagia

    One, there is no need to change the name for the UK, as I believe the official title is "Marvel's The Avengers" Two, all the people complaining about Black Widow and Hawkeye being out of place. SHE SAYS SO IN THE TRAILER. "We we never trained for this." They know they are out of their league. Otherwise. Holy fucking shit.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    On the tarmac

    by BetaRayBill07

    Love the look Steve Rogers gives Dr. Bruce Banner as they meet. As in "THIS guy is gonna be on the team??" Classic.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    16:9??? That will look GREAT on a 16:9 HD TV on blu-ray!!! :-)

    by JDanielP

    ...It will fill my tv screen, similar to how great James Cameron's ALIENS and AVATAR both look so great at home. :-) ...If my only beef is that Captain America's helmet and costume could have been designed better, I suppose I can live with that (as it could look much worse). After seeing that trailer, it's hard to complain. I'll be there opening weekend, no doubt.

  • Widow is talking to Hawkeye about this very subject right there in the trailer.

  • They just will, if they hear about it without seeing anything from it.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST

    AWESOME!

    by ZOMBRE

    This looks really really cool.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST

    I love you Batman...

    by Sean1701

    but this trailer literally brought a tear to this geeks eye. The shot of Iron Man being caught by the Hulk...speechless...To quote the great Barney Stinson, Spidey & Batman better suit up!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST

    nightarrows

    by BetaRayBill07

    That issue is badass. "In this time....in this place....I am no longer holding back."

  • That dumb ass "Landing on one Knee" bullshit. Find some new dynamic pose PLEASE!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Black Widow Glowy Armbands

    by bbaty

    Did anyone else notice that her armbands were glowing when she reloaded her crappy 9mm Glock? Did Tony Stark give her some upgrades?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Thor out of place? It's a comic book.

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    It's not like Iron Man is realistic and could totally happen if Steve Jobs put his mind to it instead of making MP3 players.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    still looks small and cheap.

    by vulturess

    whedon= huge conceptually played out in the smallest way possible.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    I love Batman movies as well....

    by templesweeper

    ....and I really enjoyed the first Batman movies quite a bit. But they're more dark, brooding and interesting. And I am looking forward to the new one. But I don't necessarily think they're a ton of fun. Like, I love Braveheart, but I don't think it is a fun movie. This just looks like a movie I could watch 100 times. Heck, that's it...I'm taking my 9-year-old kid to see this movie. I don't care if it is PG-13. He's a huge superhero fan. Looks like too much fun. And most of the "Avengers" movies have been pretty kid-safe overall.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST

    http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/marvel/avengers/

    by Admiral Nelson

    In case it wasn't obvious -- Quicktime versions for download are there.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST

    But WHY is Hulk catching Iron Man so moving?

    by cookylamoo

    Not arguing that it is.....but why?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Cap's Shield can withstand Thor's Hammer

    by D.Vader

    Its been set up in the comics.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Avengers..

    by Ryan

    Ok for the idiots complaining about Black Widow and Hawkeye and how are they in this blah blah The Avengers isn't just about a group of heavy hitters it has all types including people who are good at infltration and espionage. You can't just walk into every place guns blazing sometimes you need a little finesse

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST

    mikeyeieio- Who is "we?"

    by templesweeper

    I am looking forward to Prometheus as well, but it ranks WAY under Avengers on my geek factor list. I have been looking forward to an Avengers movie since I was a kid. I've only been looking forward to Prometheus since it was announced.

  • You know why, it's a comic book. Same reason Superman isn't all wimpy looking due to no resistance to his muscles.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    cookylamoo

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    Because in the comic and animated versions, Hulk is supposed to be more of a lone ranger type who doesn't care about the other team members even when he's in the Avengers and Avengers mode. Hulk wouldn't have any reason to look out for anyone other than Hulk. So seeing him break away from "HULK SMASH"(ing) aliens to catch and save a team=member just gives you an idea of how much the stakes are or at least how much we expect them to have come together as a team that he now buys into the team concept rather than being a lone agent within a team type personalty that we've come to accept him as. At least that's how I see it.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    much better than expected

    by amin

    judging from the trailer it will be spectacular. maybe after all joss whedon know what he is doing. the costumes are still ridiculous...the best thing about it, it shows the movie has a heart with an emotionnal banner :" we are not a team, we're a ticking time bomb! and with black widow asking herself what the fuck i'm doing here??

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST

    whedon= huge conceptually played out in the smallest way possible

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Sounds more like your penis.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Something Doesn't Look Right

    by ChiTownsBest

    All of the earthbound scenes look cheap, almost like a syfy channel movie. Captain America looked great in his own movie but looks really silly here. The Hulk CGI still looks fake and I was really hoping they would get it right this time. Loki even looks different. The good news is the action looks decent so I'll be there just for that. Joss Whedon is not a film director and was a bad choice for this movie. They should have asked Joe Johnston to direct this after the very good job he did on Captain America.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Cap's shield

    by Ryan

    It is made out of Vibranium. Which absorbs energy. He can take energy blasts or punches the shield absorbs most of it

  • Spoiler! And to those saying this is a Transformers rip-off - yeah. Except there will be characters it's possible to care about and funny moments that are funny and action sequences you can follow and dialogue that doesn't make you want to stab Michael Bay. So no.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST

    They better not be making Thor everyones

    by KiwiMetal

    bitch. Cause at the moment (only trailers I know) it looks like they are. Thor (as long as he has the Hammer) would smoke everyone on the Avengers and wouldn't even break a sweat and this is from Marvel writers themselves. Great looking trailer though....looking forward to it.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST

    But WHY is Hulk catching Iron Man so moving?

    by carlotta_valdes

    ...maybe it's about the teamwork, and the idea of Hulk having his back when he clearly overextended himself. Felt like Iron Man wasn't thinking only of himself in the moment and was rewarded for it (I know corny, but I love it). Bet it'll be even more emotional in context.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    FUCK THAT TRAILER IS SOLID.

    by KilliK

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Fun vs Serious

    by THX1968

    I love Nolan's Batman stuff, but it's a drag on repeated viewings. My biggest problem with Dark Knight was the acting presence of Jowls McGillicutty (Maggie Gyllenhal). Nothing personal - I just can't stand looking at her or her brother. Still, I am excited for DKR. I am way more psyched for Avengers. It's gonna be fun and there's nothing wrong with that! You can still care for and get involved with the characters and not be so damn heavy. For the most part, Marvel's movies have been great. Still waiting on a proper Hulk movie.

  • Time to attempt to lay out the entire movie, beat by beat, based on a few trailers. Boy, what a fun life!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    FUCKING ACES!!!

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    This looks fucking GREAT. Take my cash now and give me a fucking ticket!!! *Throws wallet at screen*

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

    by disfigurehead

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    movie looks small... aspect like TV... and it looks STUPID

    by Nick

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST

    I defy anyone to Hate on that! AWESOME beyond words

    by Wcwlkr

    That has me beyond pumped. I cannot wait to see this movie, I feel sorry for the other super hero movies coming out this year!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Everything LisaB has bitched about in the past...

    by D.Vader

    The lack of this, the lack of that... has been shown in further trailers. "There's no shot of the Avengers together!" (FIXED!) "The cars are exploding for no reason!" (FIXED!) "There's no debris flying off of the Hulk!" (could be... FIXED? WE'LL SEE!) Every time she complains, later improved footage shows her to just be wrong, wrong, wrong. She doesn't seem able to grasp the concept of a "work in progress". Expect her to be wrong here again. She doesn't have a very good batting average.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Hyper-Dyne Systems, Loki, hah, good call!

    by D.Vader

    Though he wouldn't really be considered a member of "the group" now would he =)?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    d.vader

    by NightArrows

    If it's set up in the comics, then the comics are fuuuuuucked. It makes NO sense (in as much sense as comics can make). Thor = A God who's power level is INSANE. Cap = strong, fast mortal with a shield. That shield has NO MAGIC PROPERTIES, and has energy absorption, but to me that speaks to bullets etc. And didn't Cap get blasted backwards in his movie by one of the baddies on the train while hiding behind his shield? Cap would be a pile of fucking GOO under that shield, energy "absorption" or not. Thor stands so far above those two that the 3-way fight is just fucking silly.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    BWAAAAAAAM! BWAAAAAAAM!

    by loafroaster

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Ahahahaha!!

    by gotilk

    Whole childhood just got hugged for once rather than the alternative.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Lisab

    by angry kitty

    I feel sorry for you. Truly I do. While you are entitled to your opinions- I cannot understand the extreme negativity I for one am quite pleased with this presentation and fully expect to be entertained when I see this in theater. I am taking my family- we love the Marvel universe- And I strongly suspect that we will pay to see it more than once.

  • Anyone compared yet?!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Wow.

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    Just. Wow.

  • An element that doesn't exist. You say it has energy absorption, and yes that means bullets, but it also means MORE than bullets. Its a made-up element, it can have made-up properties. As for him getting blasted back in Captain America, maybe, I don't remember. Comics are full of contradictions too, as writers can't always read *everything* their predecessors wrote (same happens with Star Trek all the time). Either way, its set up that Cap's Shield and his own strength behind it can withstand Thor's Hammer. The science shouldn't bother you; I'd hope you'd be more interested in the why's of why they're attacking each other and wondering what the consequences will be.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1 p.m. CST

    Yeah....That was Fuckin' EPIC !!! And....

    by The Puma Man

    Who's the asshole that compared this to Transformers? That dude needs to be kicked in the balls.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1 p.m. CST

    LisaB, is telling it like it is....

    by Nick

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1 p.m. CST

    Don't get it...

    by Flutchy

    ...looks like just another transformery CGI-orgy. Will go and see it for Loki, though.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    cookylamoo

    by Rupee88

    It is partly because it is executed so well with the effects and looks cool. Also as pointed out above, it is oddly moving that Hulk truly cares about his new friend, Iron Man. That is just geektastic somehow.

  • It's time.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Re the posts on Thor, Cap/Iron Man, etc...

    by Detached

    ... Cap's shield might withstand a blow from Thor's hammer (I did think of that), but (depending on how much force Thor used), Cap himself would still be shattered into pretty much nothing. I actually question whether the shield could handle such a blow, given how the material is clearly malleable (it had to be formed into a shield, after all), and we can assume Thor's hammer is more powerful than any forge. There was an older Avengers issue (back in the late 60s or into the 70s) where some evil force or other had control of Thor, and he knocked Iron Man out of a building, and Stark was wondering what was going on, and he thought "Still, on the best day my transistorized power ever saw, it was no match for Thor." True dat. Those things said, there is (reportedly) another scene in the film which will make abundantly clear who the most powerful member of the team is (hint: he has a hammer). One of my big concerns about this movie was that it would treat Thor as just some "big strong guy," but that's apparently (hopefully) not the case. We'll see. I started reading Marvels back in the early, early days of the Marvel Age of Comics (like Spidey #16), and I can tell you I can barely believe I am going to see a live-action Avengers movie. Un. Be. Lievable.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Are Black Widow's Arm Bands Glowing When She Reloads?

    by bbaty

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Hey, lisab.

    by Robert Evans

    I value your opinion. What else do you see, Starling?

  • I seriously can't figure out what more someone could possibly expect from a comic book movie.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Finally, a Hulk as good as Bixby/Ferrigno!

    by zinc_chameleon

    Cause sorry, neither Bana nor Norton made Bruce Banner relatable, and Mark Ruffalo will. "We're not a team; we're a time bomb."

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST

    OH YEAH!

    by Daniel Gonzalez

    Batman wins the poster competition.... Avengers wins the trailer competition!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Come on Natalie

    by D.Vader

    Don't you have anything nice to say?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    I've watched that trailer at least 10 times already!

    by Wcwlkr

    I could care less what the haters say. Get your eyes checked this looks freaking AWESOME. Yes I can't wait to see Dark Knight Rises either but Avengers will rule the year!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST

    @the dude abides re: two questions

    by kevred

    1) Black Widow is in this because everyone's convinced that a film like this can't work without a strong female presence. That is, girls & women won't see a film full of extremely handsome men without a catsuit-clad women showing cleavage for 2 hours. Makes perfect sense, no? Hollywood logic for you. 2) That's one of the great mysteries of life. My guess is just that dumb people are still impressed by those ridiculous, contrived poses, or else Hollywood is convinced that people are, or else certain creative people aren't as creative as they need to be. Personally, I always hate to see fantasy films based on substantial source material resort to cliches that come from lesser, recent material. Marvel comics have decades of cool poses and framing of action moments; why use some recent cliche as a crutch?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Thor/Cap/Iron Man

    by BetaRayBill07

    Thinking this may be the scene where Thor makes it back to Earth from Asgard. May be a bit weak/disoriented? Let's see the movie, people.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Thor's role better be huge..

    by series

    Iron man is a big draw for the studios, and I collected all of these comics as a kid, but in order to have decent continuity within the frame of the films we've seen, Thor needs to be featured. He's the only character that has some sort of familiarity with beings and creatures from the other realms. And he's the brother of the main protagonist. They better not power him down, and they better not have him too much in the background. And i kinda wish it were he flying up in the sky to meet that armada instead of Iron Man. That would seem so fitting. But enough nitpicking I took off may 4th ill be seeing it at midnight and again during the day...and i'm gonna smoke some weed to see it!!!!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Ooooh, nice thinking there, CTM

    by D.Vader

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST

    That trailer...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...made me very happy. Glad most of you folks liked it too.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Yeah actually I am I really am drstrangerlove

    by lead_sharp

    And because I'm not a bitter and encrusted hater of anything that I'm jealous of because it makes everyone else feel like their inner six year old just wept tears of pure joy, I am quite enjoying the sensation of being actually excited and not jaded about a movie for once. :) I'm NOT (really really not) treading on TDKR here (and The Avengers might be crap you never know!) but I'm EXCITED by this, I find myself just looking forward to TDKR. There is a difference.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    For the "eat this, poster-haters!" crowd:

    by kevred

    Disliking posters or other promotional material is not the same as disliking a film or wishing it ill. In fact, from what I've seen, a lot of the complaints about the Avengers promo stuff are that people *want better* for this film. They *want* it to be great, and want it to succeed and be promoted well, and are thus critical of things that don't seem to live up to what can best make that happen. There are a few random people here who have said things akin to, "this poster sucks and this film will suck", but they're a tiny minority. I think that last poster we saw was terrible, and I've not been thrilled with the teasers/trailers so far (too much repetition of that same street-battle stuff). But with this one, I think they're finally getting it right, and finally giving some indication that the film could be as big as it needs to be.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    I ALMOST CRIED...

    by UMAGA

    ...of laughter when you guys cried at Hulk catching Iron Man. Jesus Christ. LOL.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    That's pretty fucking impressive.

    by AzulTool

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    That's pretty fucking impressive.

    by AzulTool

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST

    EXCELLENT!!!!!!

    by billF

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    d.vader ... oh I do, Prometheus looks INCREDIBLE....

    by Nick

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Tell us more, lisab.

    by Robert Evans

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Loki is...

    by carlotta_valdes

    ...the antagonist Series, but I agree with everything else you said.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Hey - Nice bow and arrow!

    by Joe Jones

    LULZ. Riddick-you-less. Fake-azz looking rubber Hulk, annoying Whedon-izms, stupid-looking Cap, annoying Whedon-izms, Hawkeye, annoying Whedon-izms, chunky ScarJo, annoying Whedon-izms, TV-style direction and asthetic, annoying Whedon-izms, snark, snark, snark, annoying Whedon-izms. It's funny that adults will see this.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Damn you Michael Bay!...I mean...Thank You Michael Bay! :)

    by Zurge

    Seriously. Wheddon totally channels his inner Michael Bay here, and I like Michael Bay for his action; which he does best. Wheddon is known for dialogue, good "I am to misbehave" and bad "You know hat happens to a toad when struck by lightning?". But as long as he keeps the characters the way they are in the comics and not trying to outsmart each other like on his tv shows. You know what I'm talking about, like imitating the kids at the cafeteria or nerds on Wednesdays when comics arrive to the store...this should a complex movie and should involve everything and everyone not just witty dialogue otherwise rename it "Witt and Wittier" staring Jeff Daniels and Jim Carrey. Yes, a fun movie, remember when you fanboys said that a fun movie equals a dumb shitty popcorn movie? Well, we can't have double standards do we? I will see this flick, and love for what it is, not for what it ain't.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Just looks great fun - and that really is enough sometimes

    by melonman

    If I was 13 I'd even go so far as saying AWESOME! But as it is my nearly middle aged palpitating heart this year is most enthusiastic about DARK KNIGHT RISES, PROMETHEUS and JOHN CARTER in the blockbuster merry-go-round.

  • With Scarlet Witch, Wasp, Sersi or Spiderwoman, they would have needed a movie to introduce this female Avenger and her superpowers, and we all know how badly movies with female heroines perform at the BO. With Scarlet Witch, they have to explain nothing beyond that she is a shield agent, with way above average skill set.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Looks like Fantastic 4 all over again.

    by Snake Foreskin

    Not epic at all. Joss Whedon just can't hang with the big boys.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST

    c'mon folks, this is going to be FUN

    by Roger Moon

    maybe not perfect, but it appears they're (mostly) paying fidelity to the original characters. Whedon strikes me as a guy who has a passion for the idea. He probably had a few stacks of Avengers comics laying around his bedroom as a kid. I think we're in for a good time.

  • Looks f'ing great.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    About that opening shot...

    by rockgolf

    Why is the street level so destroyed but the building roofs (rooves?) look untouched? Cause if I were some alien super-race bent on the destruction of mankind, I'd ignore double-parkers and concentrate on <b>knockin' down the big buildings! More bang for your buck. And is it just me or does that look like an aerial view of Toronto with the Fairmont Royal York & Royal Bank buildings at the top of the screen and Union Station at the bottom?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Funniest comment so far...

    by Judge Briggs

    natalieportmansyummyafterbirth, LOOK, DIPSHIT, WE ALL LOVE GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS HERE BUT SOMETIMES WE ALSO LIKE POPCORN MOVIES THAT APPEAL TO THE IMAGINATION!!! IT KEEPS US YOUNG!!!FACT!!! by creepythinmans-revenge LisaB, suck a dick ... Gawd, I can't stand people like you. Fucking analyzing the most ridiculous and minute of details. FFS, the movie looks great and the word-of-mouth has is that it's the beast of Marvel movies! Creepythinmans-revenge is the funniest dude on here. Fact!

  • Someone said the movie was filmed in 1.85:1, so maybe it was. Shame cause all the other Avenger movies were not.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    CTM- hey thanks buddy, no worries!

    by D.Vader

    Disagreements happen from time to time. Agreeing on every issue would be boring. And remember, it was BEAKS who banned me, not Nordling. Never forget! Though there was one accidental banning by Merrick or Nordling, I forget who, but they fixed it soon after they realized the error. Beaks, though... that guy deserves every bit of ire he gets from talkbackers.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    IT IS IN 1:85:1.... LOOK IT UP

    by Nick

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Hah! Natalie, I meant here of course

    by D.Vader

    Duuuuur! =)

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Hawkeye saves the day

    by Tom_Cruise

    I bet Hawkeye whips out a Stark-mini-nuke arrow and blows the sh*t out of the thing chasing Iron Man at the end.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Hey The Founder...

    by D.Vader

    Expect Captain Marvel or Vision or Scarlet Witch (who is a mutant, though, and not allowed by Fox most likely without a character rewrite) in The Avengers 2. In fact, leftover alien technology might allow them to build Vision for the sequel... Hmmm... Or Ultratron.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    I mean Ultron.

    by D.Vader

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    yes and remember Loki is a shape shifter too

    by Rupee88

    He could easily be disguised as Thor or Cap or whoever in some of those scenes..kind of weak, but that could be what it is going on

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Tony Stark has made some modifications to Black Widows gun

    by krabklaw

    It probably works more like a rocket launcher than a regular handgun. That's the only explanation. Plus Widow can kick ass if it comes to hand-to hand combat with a few nasty aliens.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST

    R.I.P Davy Jones

    by CoolerKing72

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapeshifting

    by Rupee88

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Sweet leaping Jesus

    by Anthony Torchia

    Or maybe I mean Holy Fucknuggets THIS is the movie I want to see, I am IN. Why didn't Joss get John Carter instead? Such is life, I'll take what comes and be grateful

  • The little pea shooter is just laughable..maybe it is meant to be though.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST

    LisaB, that kind of philosophy is incredibly naive

    by D.Vader

    What you suggest, then, is that the editors and special effects guys work on a schedule dictated by the ad men. The ad guys would say "Hey, we're putting out a teaser on this date, then a trailer a few months later and a second trailer a month after that. So we're going to need the BEST shots to have *COMPLETELY* finished FX, otherwise a couple of assholes on the internet or going to bitch and complain about it. So in the interest of speed, we've already decided what shots you're going to need to RUSH on to complete for this first teaser, in order to make these assholes happy." Yeah, that's a terrible idea. Just accept this fact, LisaB, bc this is just about a cinematic truth nowadays when it comes to advertising: teasers and trailers are going to have unfinished special effects. Not terrible effects mind you, but effects missing details that most everyone will miss.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST

    In that shot...

    by Chuck_Cobra

    During Thor's "NOOO" moment, Thor seems to be locked in the cage they built for the HULK. (via the D23 footage I saw) So I figure somehow Loki locked Thor in there and is working on doing some trickery in his name.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST

    That's more like it, Mr. Wayne

    by TitusPullo

    Haters gonna hate, while they suck at the cock of Joss Whedon and Marvel Studios. SUCK IT !!!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    natalieportmansyummyafterbirth

    by Rupee88

    That is sad that the only way you can have fun is with the help of other people.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Okay, Natalie

    by D.Vader

  • Though I wonder if he hates the Batman movies as much.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    The Hulk has stubble and chest hair!!

    by BenBraddock

    Somehow that impresses me the most :-D

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    @creepythinmans-revenge

    by Judge Briggs

    Dude, I am saying that you're hilarious. Wtf?

  • I know it will never happen, but that would allow for split-second cameos from other avengers (Black Panther or whathaveyou) dealing with shit all over the world, while the top 4 superheroes fight with the main fleet.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    THE TRUCK HAD AVENGERS AND BATMAN COMICS.... RIP MOM

    by Nick

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    wait--AVENGERS is in 1.85:1 ratio!??!

    by Robert Evans

    fuck that. they just lost my money!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Love it!

    by I AM ROCKO

    Love Captain America's halo jump! The Hulk looks amazing (the CGI character looks EXACTLY like the actor playing Banner for once). Also really shows Iron Man's full arse kicking potential. I really hope that SHIELD have provided Hawkeye with some special features with his bow and arrow, and yes I agree with talkbackers above that the Black Widow just using pistols to fight the enemy looks funny... ...there is once nice shot of Cap protecting the Widow from an explosion with his sheild so they may actually address that they are out of their depth in the final battle. One question- does anyone know if Thor and Hulk will go head to head in this? I've waited my whole life to see that on the big screen. Yes I am THAT sad.

  • repost

  • so sayeth the jackasses who can find nothing left to bitch about.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    Is Iron Man being chased by a flying Colossus? That's badass!

    by Orionsangels

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    IRON MAN owns this movie!

    by Orionsangels

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    The Sequel needs "The Vision" and "Wasp"

    by Orionsangels

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    iron man's suits

    by Handiana Jolo

    I know at some point during the Avengers, Iron Man will go through some suit upgrade (at the behest of Fury and Shield?) I'm just trying to figure out the timing on which is which as they might provide clues as to which battles are happening when in the film. Did Iron Man 2 end with him having the triangular chest-piece, and is the new one introduced in this film the circular one? Or is it vice versa, with the last suit in Iron Man 2 having a circular chest piece, and the upgrade in this would be with the triangular one? The former makes sense I think as it appears Stark has the triangular one in during that shot at night (who said this trailer only had the same daytime scenes?) in the forest, and having them go through some version of the misunderstanding that leads to battle between superheroes until they all learn who each other is, i which case Stark in his outfit from the end of Iron Man 2 would make sense in that scene in that context. I like the earlier TB'ers theory that it might represent Thor's return to earth and is somehow de-powered or something during the trip since he (presumably) had to get there via means different from the rainbow bridge. I wonder if/when they dance around Portman not being in this. Not that I want her to be (I think her character would be deadweight romantic interest nonsense that would detract from this ensemble film), but Thor's flick was pretty much pointing to Portman figuring out how to get his ass back to Earth. Unless Shield figures it out with all the gear they stole off her in Thor. I'm just trying to figure out how they open this movie. Loki causing trouble, Stellan Skaarsgaard's character getting into shit, Thor's re-entry back to Earth? In the immortal words of Bart Scott - "Can't wait!"

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Opps, The Scarlet Witch

    by The Founder

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST

    I BET YOU TASTE LIKE BEEF AND CHEESE, CREEPY.

    by Nick

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST

    @krabklaw-Black Widow's 9mm

    by bbaty

    I think you are on the right track with her 9mm being upgraded. I watched the trailer in 1080P and when she reloads her Glock you can see her gauntlets flash blue. She is going to need the upgrade or she will be worthless in a fight!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Link to screenshot of Hulk holding IM.

    by GBH

    http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v635/lhhgbh/?action=view&current=HulkIronMan.jpg This will bring a tear to anyone.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Iron Man's de-suiter...

    by Horgy

    I really dig the idea that Tony has a machine on the roof that follows him to take the suit off. makes at least as much sense as the "rotating platform" and looks really cool.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Hulk catching Iron Man

    by IceMonkey

    I know it's been mentioned a hundred times already but, damn, that scene was fantastic. And it was just about 3 seconds long. I've been a Marvel Zombie for 30 years and I never thought I would see this on any type of screen.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Well it gave me goosebumps

    by cheekerpot

    and no trailer in recent Years has done that for me! I'll be all giddy watching this for the 1st time in theaters 4 sure :p

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST

    re Thor imitator & the hammer/shield issue...

    by Detached

    Creepy, Thor's hammer doesn't "think." It's all up to how hard Thor hits someone. LisaB, as for the idea that that is an alien imposter pretending to Thor, I don't think so. There is (at least rumored to be) a scene early in the film that does match Thor against Cap & Shellhead for a very specific reason. However, we'll see.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Don't feel sorry for the haters.

    by Gabe Athouse

    They're having a wonderful time. Then again, they have no souls, but there's nothing to be done about that.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Did anybody catch

    by thalvar

    the blonde with glasses at around 0:13? All hell is breaking lose and she's running away laughing.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST

    @creepythinmans-revenge

    by Judge Briggs

    I'll take that as a compliment. Ha!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST

    HULK CATCHING IRON MAN ISN'T MOVING AT ALL

    by J-Dizzle

    Its cool to see, but not moving. Some people are just... well.... a little more emotional than others (think Darth Vader "Noooooooooooooo!" emotional). Anyway, trailer looks cool. I'll be sure to catch this in May.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST

    HANK HENSHAW

    by J-Dizzle

    If this part of the invasion is centered on New York then wouldn't Spiderman and Daredevil have an issue with that? Stupid copyright laws.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST

    A earlier TBer compared this to Fantastic Four uh Hell no!

    by Wcwlkr

    That trailer alone had more action in it then the entire Fantastic 4 movies put together. And I mean both of those pieces of GARBAGE. Some people are just gonna hate, but the fact and truth is this movie will Rule the summer and year.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST

    This looks far better than any honest Avenger fan could

    by Brian Hopper

    have reasonably hoped. We'll see how good it turns out, but on the face of it they appear to have delivered a completely faithful and well cast Avengers movie.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST

    An earlier TBer compared this to Fantastic Four uh Hell no!

    by Wcwlkr

    That trailer alone had more action in it than both of the FF movies put together. That's insanity to even compare this to that GARBAGE. Look haters are gonna hate, but that won't change the fact or reality that this will rule the summer and the year!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Works for me.

    by Rob Jenson

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Did anyone honestly think this movie would ever happen?

    by Wcwlkr

    I mean yeah we were teased with Iron Man and the Incredible Hulk. But did anyone honestly think that we'd be seeing an actual Avengers movie.

  • I'm not familiar with the comics, but, the whole idea that these common military guys are COMMANDING around the superheros is very unsettling to me. Its like the complete realization of the masturbatory fantasy that the U.S. Military rules all and you should follow and do what they say no matter what. Black Widow basically threatening Bruce with guns to do what her military faction says is truly upsetting. I hope its not like that in the comics.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST

    I still miss Ed Norton

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    I liked The Incredible Hulk. So sue me.

  • But that's mainly because it's dark, I suppose.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    OMFG the Hulk rules!!!!!!!!!!!

    by ganymede3010

    However it looks like RDJ is going to steal almost every scene he's in. No surprises there.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Other than that looks very enjoyable.

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    And the cg effects have definitely improved every trailer/footage iteration, even from the Super Bowl commercial.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Black Widow look at the end...

    by vico

    I really thought they would cut right at this moment, letting us thinking "omg, what did she just see?"... of course the last bit with Iron Man was great. So, the 616Skrulls are really off?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST

    creepy - Pee Wee Herman totally belongs in that lineup.

    by sweeneydave

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST

    I really dig the idea that Tony has a machine on the roof

    by vico

    Me too! It's truely a "cinematic" moment that wouldn't work on paper.

  • because she was 'lame' and couldn't do anything. Now I'm beginning to wonder if some of these children I knew were frozen in carbonite and transported to 2012, so they could spew their stupidity once again.

  • Set on Earth-616, of course. Ultimate can fuck itself.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST

    when gotham is a team, you have my permision to bomb

    by teddy_duchamp

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST

    hank henshaw

    by vico

    I think Marvel Studios choose BlackWidow because she would give a "Badass-Bourne-Trinity" vibe to the team. All leather, kind of cold woman.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    I think Loki

    by disfigurehead

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST

    I think Loki's mullet should get top billing

    by disfigurehead

    That hair is a whole level of awesomeness.

  • Let's just leave it at that.

  • I see some hypocritical posts already, bunch of dumb-shits. You know who you are.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    The Vision's overall character arc is too complex for the movies.

    by Royston Lodge

    He's the original Human Torch! No he isn't! He has emotions! He's married to Scarlett Witch! He loses his emotions! He has kids, but they turn out to be fragments of a demon! Etc, etc, etc...

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Maybe Black Widow's Glock fires Adamantium bullets?

    by Royston Lodge

    I mean, why not?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Looks like a sweet ass episode of 80s Ninja Turtles

    by Pipple

    Attack of the Alien robots from dimension X. Now this looks fun as fuck.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Show me where that looks "TV"

    by Logan_1973

    Show me fuckers.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Fucking great trailer

    by centilope

    And I had nio intention to see this in the cinema, maybe on Blu. Now I might actually go see it.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Cap's helmet is awful, though

    by centilope

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Black Widow is in this 'cause she's a fucking avenger.

    by RedLeaderStandingBy

    So as Hawkeye. Read a comic book, you fucking cunts. The trailer looks solid. Evans and Downey are cast-perfect.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Meh...

    by Christian

    The earlier Marvel movies leading up to this one were SERIOUSLY underwhelming. It didn't matter that they brought in capable directors like Kenneth Brannagh and actors like Downey Jr, Portman and Renner. The movies were shallow, stupid and, prehaps worst of all, boring. But really... what would you expect from movies based on a freaking super-hero comic aimed at tweens? Therefore I have zero interest in this movie and this trailer - although well done - did nothing to sway me. Also... I find it deeply unsetteling that these super-hero movies get so much more attention from you than movies based on say, original screenplays or classic litterature. Sad and perhaps proog that we - as a species - have peaked and are getting progressively more and more dumb.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Next line after "Guys, I'm bringing this one to you"

    by cookylamoo

    Black Widow: I'm not a guy and I'll take this one out by myself.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST

    no cathoris

    by Handiana Jolo

    I believe making broad sweeping generalizations of the entirety of the human race speaks more to you negatively as a person (in the context of being an overreaching, mouth-breathing idiot) than we few who populate an internet message board targeted at geeks speaks to the population of the world. Have you ever even left your own home country once? County? City? Street? Mom's house?

  • He's not fighting him to the death. We will see.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST

    not enough for the studio

    by vico

    As usual, the net, the tv will be gratified with clips and clips and clips...ok, a lot of people think that Stanton's tactic of keeping things secret for John Carter could backfire but i hope Marvel won't be in the opposite: showing all with their 30 seconds stuff. I mean, there will be probably a cameo, a guest after the credit or something like that. Then, keep it s e c r e t as much as you can, Marvel!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST

    cathoris

    by seagrass

    Getting progressively more and more dumb is better than getting more and more pretentious, as you seem to be doing. By the way, you spelled 'unsettling' incorrectly, so I guess you've *really* peaked.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Ha Ha, Iron Man is Hulk's bitch now!!

    by cookylamoo

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    soooo awesomeee

    by jsfithaca

    that thing at the end...ho-lee shit!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    awesome trailer

    by Thomas

    Nothing new to kick in here, just agreeing with (most) everyone's sentiments. I'm probably going to have to not watch any more trailers though if they release another in order to preserve some of the great moments for first viewing.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Black Widow is in this 'cause she's a fucking avenger.

    by vico

    Of course, you're right. But what i said ("I think Marvel Studios choose BlackWidow because she would give a "Badass-Bourne-Trinity" vibe to the team. All leather, kind of cold woman") is the cherry on the cake for Marvel. Of all the women they had (Wasp, SpiderWoman, ScarletWitch, MissMarvel, Tigra, Photon...), they choose the leather vibe.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    rockgolf

    by GulDucati

    That's not Toronto. Toronto is what New York looks like when it is completely destroyed by an alien invasion.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    dahveed, i also wondered...

    by Detached

    ... if maybe Thor was holding back. Could well be.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    now, about posting too many "key" scenes...

    by Detached

    ... my educated guess is there's plenty we haven't seen yet. and won't.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Detached

    by BERSERKR

    Thor is my absolute favorite by far, BUT Caps shield can absorb all incoming kinetic energy meaning Cap beneath barley feels a thing, That shield can withstand pretty much anything.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Basically

    by BERSERKR

    Its the Adamnatium that keeps the shield together, but the Vibranium that keeps the wielder safe from harm.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:30 p.m. CST

    why black widow is in it

    by Thomas

    Easiest female to just drop in and not have to have a lengthy back story. I always liked black widow though, so I'm cool with it. I'm sure, like others have said, she will have some Tony Stark-enhanced gadgetry to make her less irrelevant. Same goes for hawkeye.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Maybe I'm an optimist

    by Joe Magilton

    but I think that Hawkeye and Black Widow will be portrayed well. I like to think that Hawkeye will have some sort of 'smart' arrows' as well as be able to handle himself physically. Black Widow, I'm sure will have something more than a 9mm, and if she does only have that, I'm sure they can have her go the Hawkeye route ala 'smart' bullets (remember this is based on a comic after all). From everything that we have been shown so far, I would assume that, in the storyline, they are added to the team so that SHIELD can have some of their own people on board. A decent arc might be them having self doubt then somehow having to prove themselves worthy of the rest of the team. I mean, its not like the 'super heroes' on the team are all equally powered. We got a god, a raging monster, a human at the peak of human ability, and a regular guy in the most technologically advanced suit ever. There's a descending order there in my eyes. Granted, BW and Hawkeye, are just specially trained operatives. Maybe Hawkeye is portrayed as a sniper? Who knows? In Thor, he did grab the bow at the last second. Lastly, some people are saying, how can Iron Man knock Thor off his feet? Well, what if its not Thor and its a Skrull?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST

    EXCELSIOR!!!! NUFF SAID!

    by batmancw

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST

    LOL@Cathoris

    by Tank Williams

    What an A-Hole. You do realize this is an article that DEFINES aintitcool... Total geekasm. Clearly you are trolling and should be jerking off to some intellectual indie film... Don't get me wrong, love me some indie shit, but it's the AVENGERS maaaaan... Are you a librarian? Just curious.. Librarians are always so uptight

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST

    And for the love of god people quit saying "meh"!!!

    by Tank Williams

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST

    How I hope it plays...

    by GulDucati

    Remember that Tom Cruise version of War of the Worlds? Remember how we were being exterminated like insects, and you felt so sorry for all the poor people in that movie? What if the Avengers showed up right in the middle of it to save the day? That's how it should play. Great hero moments and plenty of emotional payoff.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST

    LisaB has serious mental problems

    by boosebaster

    Of course I understand this to be a work in progress, but the point is that these trailers are meant to get the audience excited.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    WATCH OUT EVIL SPACE EMPIRE, THE 90LB REDHEAD CHICK HAS A PISTOL

    by HaterofCrap

    i get more out of video games than superhero movies nowadays.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    'Glad I didn't grow up on this stuff...

    by jorson28

    ...because if I did, I might be able to nit-pick and complain a little. As it is, I'm not, and I won't . Even though I was never compelled to "make mine Marvel," I'll definitely be seeing this.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Umm that's not what I wrote

    by boosebaster

    Why has it only posted one tiny fragment of my TB. Fuck AICN.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Watch all the d-bags slamming Hawkeye and BW end up

    by Brian Hopper

    loving both of them in the movie. Their potential 'everyman' appeal is obvious. And as @naggers_annoy_you just pointed out, it creates all kinds of nice potential story moments in which Stark or SHIELD or even Banner assist with their weaponry.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST

    boosebaster

    by D.Vader

    Don't use quotation marks.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:44 p.m. CST

    I know Scr Jo is eye candy to so many

    by Taragor

    But she just looks sooooo bitchy in every trailer/scene. She didn't even look happy to be in IM2. Can we get a geek chick FFS!!!!!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Of course Black Widow looks bitchy!

    by Royston Lodge

    She's a fuckin' assassin! That pretty much defines bitchy!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Hawkeye might not be as 'human' as everyone thinks

    by Sean

    Yes he's the 'bow guy' but there's obviously A LOT of the Ultimates in this universe, in in the Ultimates, Hawkeye's spacial awareness is ABSOLUTELY beyond human. He wipes out a room full of men torturing him by ripping out his own fingernails and flicking them with lethal velocity. just saying, don't be so quick to judge, for my money his family man-of-war angle in the Ultimates coupled with his lethality made him one of the most interesting and well rounded characters in that book. Obviously Whedon's read them, and he's gonna cherry pick the elements that make for the most kick-ass relatable character possible in every case. Stop worrying. KCCO

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:49 p.m. CST

    By the way, this is what I think is the thing at the end...

    by Dobler

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midgard_Serpent_(Marvel_Comics)

  • Seriously, turn in your geek card. Game over. You give up, you're officially just a person who bitches like a bitch. This is truly the greatest trailer that has ever been forged. Like. Fuck. Yes.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST

    dobler

    by GulDucati

    Uhm, that doesn't look anything like it.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST

    tallboy6t6

    by GulDucati

    LOL - you said it!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST

    RDJ looks bored. His mood will only improve if this does well.

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    He got all sour-puss-y after the reaction to IM2 wasn't as glowing as for the first movie.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST

    I agree it's probably the midgard serpent.

    by dahveed1972

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Why is posting here

    by BERSERKR

    Sooooooooo different than everywhere else, such as not being able to use quotation marks or not being able to leave spaces between paragraphs unless you do something i dont know how to do :P

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:54 p.m. CST

    How can it be the midgard serpent?

    by GulDucati

    Isn't the midgard serpent an actual beast? This thing is a robot.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:54 p.m. CST

    That thing at the end looks more like a robot or ship

    by D.Vader

    Doesn't look organic to me, guys...

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    I wish it were a giant lizard

    by GulDucati

    We've had enough of the "Transformers aesthetic" - it even showed up in Cowboys and Aliens, and soon to be released Battleship. Why not a giant friggin' actual serpent?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 3:57 p.m. CST

    SOMEONE HAS BEEN SHOPPING AT HUGEEEES!!!!

    by Pixelsmack

    I need a mop and some smokes.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST

    The thing at the end looks to be something alive covered in armor

    by The Founder

  • and I'm basing this on absolutely nothing.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST

    They seem to want to tech everything out...

    by Dobler

    ...and make Asgardians more alien. I could easily be wrong, however with how much Favreau always wanted to use Fin Fang Foom (Which the Midgard Serpent was disguised as), and the fact that Loki is the vilaain, it's a possibility.

  • Not sure if it's the case here.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Niiiiiice!

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    Sweeeeeet! And all the rest. This looks good! All hail Joss Whedon ;)

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Fin Fang Foom in Stark(tm) battle armour?

    by Royston Lodge

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:07 p.m. CST

    1:85 allows me to use all of my HDTV. Yay!

    by Pixelsmack

    Not all of us have 2:35:1 projectors and I think only one company makes a 2:35:1 panel for TVs.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Finally The World Knows Whedon...

    by Media Messiah

    ...this is the Joss Whedon we Buffy, Angel, and Serenity/Firefly fans have been trying to share with you, and tell you about, for years, just with a budget, and with the full faith and backing of a film studio and comic book company behind him. This will be the film of the summer!!!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Hulk looks great, but...

    by GulDucati

    I think we can all agree this is a third iteration of Hulk. Without Norton, and with the new CGI Hulk looking like Ruffalo, 2008's Hulk is gone. Unless there is a cameo by General Ross, there will be no emotional connection to that film whatsoever. Shame, because that movie was good and they spent so much time and energy building up to this, only to have to compromise at the end.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST

    berserkr- good explanation...

    by Detached

    ... on the shield stuff. i'll buy that for a dollar! :)

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Interesting

    by angry kitty

    Could be a robot or ship, but the fluid movements of that thing chasing Ironman at the end sure looks like it could be an organic creature covered in armor. Very interesting indeed.

  • are a pure knock-off Bay's Transformers 3 but Bay is a fraud while Whedon is a genius?

  • It was a bit of a running joke in the Marvel Universe that when ever two "heroes" met for the first time, there had to be some kind of misunderstanding and they get into a big fight. Then they work it out and are teammates. So Whedon could just be riffing on that but tough to tell at this point.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:20 p.m. CST

    comings --> *comics*

    by Rupee88

    getting dyslexic or something

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Please stop whining about Norton.

    by cookylamoo

    No one is going to this movie to see Bruce Banner.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Thor and Cap's shield

    by Hipshot

    Thor can't destroy Cap's shield--it is made of Marvel's version of Unobtainium. But as to why Cap wasn't turned to jelly, the answer is very, very easy. 1) We've yet to know the limit of Cap's strength, and it is possible he could resist a single swipe of Thor's hammer. or if you can't buy that, then 2) Thor didn't use his full strength. Superheroes routinely scale their power up and down depending on the person they fight. Hell, Thor has smacked ordinary criminals. Clearly, he could have rendered them into red mist, but instead knocked them out or sent them sprawling. So Thor wasn't trying to kill Cap. What's so hard to buy about that? The trailer looks absolutely awesome. Can. Not. Wait.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST

    cookylamoo

    by GulDucati

    awwww, shaddup!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Uhhh.. I THINK IM GETTING TOO OLD FOR THIS SHIT!

    by Spudwick30

    The Dark Knight Rises PROMETHEUS An Unexpected Journey The Amazing Spiderman Kathryn BIgelow's next untitled feature The Reaven ALL COMING OUT THIS YEAR 2012 .... And people are actually excited about seeing this shit! LMAO!!

  • The personalities I mean. From what I understand, and I'm not a Marvel guy, in the Ultimates Captain America is an asshole, in the movie he was silver age cap, and here it looks like he will still be more like the 616 version.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST

    About that Hawkeye & Widow thing...

    by The Real McClane

    You know, Batman stands toe-to-toe with The JLA heavy hitters, and that guy only uses gas pellets, a grappling gun & his goddamn fists. While Superman & Wonder Woman are punching through buildings & throwing meteors around, he's the guy sneaking around in the background, re-wiring some shit or planting some bomb under the bad guy's hovercraft. I'm sure as HELL not saying Black Widow is even half as half as smart, smooth & calculating as Batman, but maybe that's the kind of shit they'll be doing. Plus, what the hell kind of bow or pistol can take down a Battleship Transformer Midguard Fing-Fang-Foom Mechazilla motherfucker like that? Bring it on, titties.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST

    re: "Does it look like TV?"

    by Hercules

    kiss my ass.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST

    There might not a story or character development

    by DavidBanner

    but it looks like one helluva special effects romp! I'll be there!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST

    @kevred

    by The Dude Abides

    1) I think the Wasp could've been an interesting female character, especially since she was an original member. Maybe Ms. Marvel (but that might take too much explaining) or Mockingbird (who isn't really much more suited for this than Black Widow. 2) Seriously. The pose has worn itself out. I'm not sure where it began - Blade maybe? - but it's tired and cliche and really just plain stupid. Millions of comic book poses and this is the one filmmakers flock to. Sigh.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Not a Whedon fan at all but damn

    by SithMenace

    That looks pretty good.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Forget a JLA movie, I'd even take a "DC Trinity" compromise.

    by hank henshaw

    If they can't figure out how to make Aquaman, MMH, Flash or Green Lantern, I understand. Just give it a try with just Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Greatest thing I have ever seen

    by liljuniorbrown

    My God in heaven this looks like a dream come true. I can't wait to see this. I mean i hope and pray they are secretly filming a sequel right now

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST

    hipshot

    by Detached

    Actually, we do know the limits of Cap's strength, or at least generally. He's very strong - for a normal person. But not even as strong as, say, Spidey. The way it was described for the CA movie was that he'd win every event if he entered the Olympics. But he's far below even Iron Man status, let alone Thor. But the idea of Thor pulling back somewhat does make sense. I'm not all wired up about it (at this point)- just questioning...

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST

    looks cool.

    by chainsaw autotune

    if you're 9.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:43 p.m. CST

    did you notice...

    by Detached

    ... that Thor seems to be in some sort of glass cage when he yells "No!" Maybe that is an imposter (please, let's drop the idea of some cage really holding - for any worthwhile length of time- a guy who can summon astounding powers of electrical energy, among other things). There are certainly some other interesting shots in that trailer too...

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST

    "too TV" indeed. Bite me.

    by Detached

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST

    All you douchelords complaining about Hawkeye's bow

    by Scrunchie-Scroochie

    ...need to do some reading up of Fightin' Jack Churchill - this guy basically godmoded the motherfucking Second World War with a bow and arrows, and a claymore. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST

    scrunchie-scroochie - may I use the phrase "douchelord" please?

    by ChickenStu

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 4:59 p.m. CST

    WHEW! I was worried for a second

    by NivekJ

    2012 is gonna be a-OK. John Carter's actually good, DKR's gonna knock it out of the park (knock on wood), but this? It feels great to stop worrying and to get back to anticipation mode.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5 p.m. CST

    Widow Gun's AMMO from Red Skull?

    by Garic

    If it's glowing blue could it be adapted to the tech the Red Skull developed using Odin's Cosmic Cube? Just asking.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5 p.m. CST

    In the proper 616 Marvel U, Hawkeye is as agile and

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    strong as Cap, and is one of the few people who can wield Cap's shield without losing his head. What he doesn't have is Cap's ability to ward off fatigue, and his rapid healing. Hawkeye does supplement his lack of powers with high-tech gear, such as his sky-cycle. His abilities, plus tech, plus explosive arrows enhanced by Stark or Richards, and he can be formidable.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5:02 p.m. CST

    The only thing I feel the urge to bitch about is

    by Smartacus

    The stupid thing they have going where people lose their mask and/or helmet all the time. Why bother giving Cap a helmet/mask if he's going to take it off all the time? Same thing to a lesser degree with Iron Man and what in the hell is wrong with Thor wearing his headgear? I know the answer just like all of you but it still irks me. If you're going to play a masked character you should be good with wearing a mask through most of the picture. If you're going to make a movie about masked characters then you shouldn't be trying to find a way to take their masks off all the time even if it does fly in the face of everything in the celebrity rule book.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5:02 p.m. CST

    A RESOUNDING "MEH" FROM ME

    by georgecauldron

    Looks messy and overstuffed.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Black Widow should not be using a Glock!

    by zinc_chameleon

    She should have an arm-mounted rail gun that recharges from gel batteries in her boots and greaves; come on Mr. Stark, if you want to get laid on the side (and we know you do) then upgrade ScarJo's technology.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5:08 p.m. CST

    HULK Smash!!!

    by Chris Wilson

    While this does look amazing I must say that I am most excited to see the HULK in action but I still so saddened that Edward Norton is not Bruce Banner anymore.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Really strong trailer, except...

    by Zandunga

    I love Whedon and think this is the best trailer yet, looking forward to the film (so don't call me a hater). However, two gripes: 1. The Cap suit is awful. He looks like a dork, especially next to the coolness of Thor, Hulk, and Stark, he looks like Snoopy in a blue dildo outfit. Couldn't they give him a more imposing look? 2. I have mixed feelings about the "Michael Bay" look of the battles, maybe because of the bad experiences with that in other movies that have ended up being soulless and bland (e.g., Transformers, the awful Green Lantern when Parallax attacks Earth, etc). Hopefully the invasion has some real tension and character-driven drama too.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Black ops Ultimates

    by Beto

    I presume that they're taking their lead from the Ultimates notion of Black Widow and Hawkeye as a secondary covert intelligence team not intended to be the 5th Beatle

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Iron man being followed by the millipede-looking thing

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    looks like Joss cribbed his shot of Serenity being hotly pursued by the Reavers at the end of the movie. Just noticed on further viewing that Hawkeye's bow lights up when he draws an arrow, but the rest of his look is still dull dull dull.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Chills.

    by Ender's Jeesh

    No bullshit.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Holy fuck that was sweet

    by DoctorZoidberg

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Nolan>Whedon

    by Dark Knight Lite

    By a margin as wide as the cosmos. Draw all the lines in the sand you want.

  • Cuz I would love to live in a world where this quality of filmmaking was on TV each week.

  • Seriously, wow, like, I cannot even comprehend why someone would look forward to those movies more than this. I'm actually quite interested because it's clearly a sign of insanity and it would be interesting to get inside the thought process of a crazy person like that. The Raven. Looks better than The Avengers. The. Raven. Just let that thought sink in for a second, and it's pure freakin nuts.

  • ...Nice one you blonde himbo!!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5:36 p.m. CST

    wow

    by jackofhearts29

    My favorite thing is, there are like only three haters on this talkback... and they're all trolls. This honestly looks damn good, and it's nice to see overwhelming positivity for it. Most of us remember what it was like back in the dark ages... aka the 80s and 90s, when sfx kept getting slightly better every year, yet there were no Marvel movies to be seen... in fact, no superheroes except for Burton's Batman. We truly are living through a Golden Age of superhero movies now. And Marvel leads the pack by far.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Hah, I hope somebody reminds Thor of that

    by Al

    Hey, buddy, next time you wanna smack around Frost Giants, stay at home and fuck that Sif chick, okay?!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Bard The Bowman

    by Joe Magilton

    killed Smaug in The Hobbit when there were many, many more powerful people involved. Just saying, Hawkeye could pull off some Bard The Bowman type shit in the Avengers.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5:47 p.m. CST

    I like both Nolan and Whedon; each on their own merits and talents.

    by NeonFrisbee

    It is possible to like more than one director or style of directing, you know.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Good lord, the Nolanites are embarrassing to listen to.

    by Ash Talon

    I've never been a Whedon fan. Could never get into Buffy, as I find her character to be wholly uninteresting. His X-Men comics had good character moments but were lacking in story. Not surprising, since tv shows rely on character over story. <p> I liked Nolan's early films, until I realized his films, like Fincher's, were technically adept but lacked any emotional depth and creative energy (aside from Memento but that film's entire hook is editing trickery). I've never cared for any of his films' main characters. None. And I honestly don't find his films to be very smart. Maybe if you have the intellect of a teenager, you'd find them "brilliant." <p> Avengers looks exactly like a superhero film should. Big action. Not afraid of its source material. Interesting character dynamics. It's not going to dig too deep into the human psyche, but it doesn't need to. It's not pretending to be highbrow. And it most likely isn't stupid. Having numerous characters in it with distinct personalities who might not all get along already makes it more interesting than yet another Batman film.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5:56 p.m. CST

    drstrangelove, hate to tell you, but...

    by Detached

    ... if this movie includes what i think it does, you'll find out just how powerful Thor really is.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Hawkeye and Black Widow aren't super enough to be on this team

    by alienindisguise

    they seem like the first 2 who would get wiped out.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST

    That was absolutely fantastic.

    by Seph_J

    If the film we get is the one that trailer promises.... holy shit. Very, very impressive.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST

    ash talon

    by Rupee88

    well said

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 6 p.m. CST

    as far as nolan goes...

    by Detached

    ... i know i'm in a minority, but i thought dark knight rises was wildly overrated. tons of plot holes. i think he's got a good vision for batman, but i can't praise him the way so many do. jmho.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Whedon >>>>>>> Nolan

    by ShiftyEyedDog

    Avengers is going to be 1000 times better than Dark Knight Rises. I love TDK, but let's be honest here, without Ledger's iconic performance as Joker, it was just a "pretty good" film, like Batman Begins. Likewise, I expect to like both Avengers and TDKR, but Avengers is looking better with every trailer, and this new one is simply EPIC. Dark Knight Rises? I have yet to see one image, trailer...ANYTHING... to get me excited at all. Bane looks ridiculous.

  • they've used that in like 100 movie trailers

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 6:18 p.m. CST

    NOW THAT IS THE HULK.....I AM GOING TO SEE THIS!!!

    by smokie

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Nolan=Great filmmaker; Whedon= lite fun

    by KelVarnson

    No offense to Whedon fans. I like Buffy. They screwed up Angel beginning with the Darla drama and killed the show after season 4 by firing Charisma Carpenter. Had they kept her and had Spike (the best written male character Whedon has done) then the show would've had a chance at rectifying itself. Firefly/Serenity had too many annoying characters; i.e. the whole Manchurian candidate sister to the annoying doctor. Also the annoying engineer and her love story with the doctor. The Sheppard was the most interesting character and he gets killed off with hardly any screen time! Anywho Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were great films because they focused on the character development of Bruce Wayne. The Avengers looks like a very thin story with little character development, but with A BIG 'OL BUNCH OF FUN ACTION. No intellectual stimulation. Just a fun ride. And that's cool. And the Hulk stuff looks awesome too.

  • Really? We're debating the quality of roars that a guy who transforms into a giant green monster would have? Like, uh, what the hell?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Well said, Ash Talon, well said.

    by CodeName

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST

    fuck Whedon... he wrote Alien Ressurection... FACT

    by Nick

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST

    ash talon

    by NightArrows

    Intellect of a teenager

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 6:54 p.m. CST

    drstrangelove, the reality is...

    by Detached

    ... when making a movie about fictional characters, the principal key to success is being faithful to the source material, at least within reason. so you don't all of a sudden say, "gee, captain america is as strong as iron man" (let alone thor or the hulk). and if you stray too far from the source material, you'll hear about it. not hard to figure out.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST

    The THOR issue

    by NightArrows

    If he IS holding back, then Whedon/the writers have missed the mark. Thor is a warrior and you can bet he knows how to asses a threat. I will say it again, Iron Man and the Captain would last 30 seconds against Thor (I don't give a shit what Cap's shield can absorb, and that it can do what it can do is simply impossible, even for the comics). Iron Man couldn't handle the Destroyer (and in the comics, Thor can barely do so), and yet Thor is now Tony's punching bag? I know the context of those scenes is missing for now, but from what I'm seeing, I'm a little worried that Whedon has dropped Thor's power level down for whatever reason. And again, I'm super stoked for this, but I always have my reservations when it comes to the characters and the "rules"...for what they're worth.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    HARRY FIX THIS PIECE OF SHIT SITE

    by NightArrows

    Quotes are what breaks things around here? Still?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 6:59 p.m. CST

    natalieportmansyummyafterbirth is a cunt

    by NightArrows

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  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7 p.m. CST

    am what I eat... I will admit.

    by Nick

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST

    The final creature = Jormungand, not fin fang foom.

    by Arcadian Del Sol

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST

    And ash talon

    by NightArrows

    It wasn't well said. If you don't think Nolan's films are smart, well, that's your problem. I'm sure you are a true genius in the walking world, though I suspect that your cool, detached dislike of Nolan's films tilts towards you thinking you are far smarter than you actually are. Dark Knight was a fantastic film. And I find it especially hilarious that you are going on about the possible complexities of a movie about impossible beings fighting off an alien invasion and yet shit on The Dark Knight and the potential in the Dark Knight Rises...

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST

    3 FACTS hings to Remember

    by Chewbacca_Khan

    1) Fucking awesome trailer. Doesn't mean the movie will be good, but the buzz/hype/whatever is now official. 2) Cap's helmet still looks totally stupid. I keep wanting it not to look stupid, but it does. Visually, that's the only glaring miss in this bit. 3) Fin-Fang-Foom. The Midgard Serpent. Some stolen-bastard version of Stark's tech. This is one of the character ways they get the team to connect, by playing to their "shared beliefs/values." #believetheoracle

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Why do we well up at Hulk catching Iron Man

    by SwedgeAntilles

    As someone who read the comics since I was 11, having thought about it all day, it's the first time it seemed REALLY like an Avengers film. That's what would happen in the comic, that's what Hulk really is and we haven't seen yet (a big angry bastard but someone who looks after his mates), it's emotional because, in one clip, we see that it's going to work. It's the film we've been waiting for. It's Avengers, the movie, and we are honoured by its presence

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:06 p.m. CST

    no, this film NEEDS Fing Fang Floom... NEEDS IT

    by Nick

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:06 p.m. CST

    AND (an aside)

    by Chewbacca_Khan

    All this bullshit of Nolan vs. Whedon or what is it, totally overlooks the FACT that we've had multiple interpretations of Batman. Let the Avengers have their one before arguing comparisons.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Mugato- I don't hear the Requiem For a Dream music anywhere

    by D.Vader

    Are you just complaining about that song in general, or did you think you heard it here?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST

    I'm putting my $$ on this being better than TDKR

    by planetran_fan

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST

    planetran, that's like putting your money on door number three,

    by Subtitles_Off

    and watching door number two opening up to a junk car. Thinking you've made a great deal, you skip in your shoes until they open your door and a fat man in a bikini is sitting there, blowing you kisses. GAWD, this movie will suck, and that movie will suck, and you and your dumbass thirteen year-old friends will argue all summer-long which one sucks more. That way, you can all be kinda right.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Hulk catching Stark

    by Vicconius

    Why it works for me is that the Avengers are a collection of egos and self-interest. At that moment the most self-centered and individual member decides that they are a team. The Avengers fully assembled at that moment.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST

    I'm equally excited for both this and DKR

    by MrEkoLetMeLive

    It IS dumb to draw a line in the sand. We haven't had a geek movie year like this in years - Avengers, Spidey, Batman, Prometheus, Hobbit... why would anyone even want to choose a favorite?! Geeks truly do not know when they have it made. We've won, boys! Enjoy the spoils.

  • I wouldn't want to be the guy who cleans the theater after the midnight showing. There will be geek semen EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!! Bring it on!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Alien Resurrection

    by Media Messiah

    The director of Alien Resurrection bastardized Whedon's work, as did the director for his Buffy film, all which is well known in the industry. Whedon's work was also screwed by produces whom redacted his work, the same with Fantastic Four. As per the latter film, Whedon found-out that they cut his work from the script as he arrived to the line reading with the assembled cast and director in place at the table, and they basically told him, you have no business here, we cut your work, but no one bothered to phone him or email, they just forgot or didn't care.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by chad kuhns

    After watching that trailer, a big wad of children that will never be ran down my leg. Well done

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:31 p.m. CST

    As geeks, there is NO reason to draw lines in the sand

    by D.Vader

    Except for the fact that some of you guys just can't freakin' help it. Star Wars vs Star Trek Avengers vs Dark Knight Rises I'll just roll my eyes and enjoy them all.

  • I don't get the argument at all, I'm just interested in where the argument is coming from.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:36 p.m. CST

    The "looks like tv" argument is just a smokescreen

    by D.Vader

    Smokescreen for "I can't think of anything else to complain about," or "I just expected a 600 million dollar special effects bonanza." Or maybe they really just want Michael Bay to have directed it.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Never thought I'd see the day. Can't wait.

    by Mr Nicholas

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST

    whedon should stick to toy stories.

    by alice133

    oh wait-

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Goint to be an awesome movie!

    by Horned One

    But why not put Thor into the Iron Man suit, wielding Mjolnir and Captain America's shield, riding on the Hulk's shoulders? That should do it.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:45 p.m. CST

    I wonder when we'll see a spoiler for the Spider-Man cameo?

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    You just know that Spider-Man will make a 30 second cameo.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Holy shit Horned One

    by D.Vader

    That's an amazing image... And after the battle, he has to grab Black Widow and take her as his own.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:49 p.m. CST

    natalieportman...

    by Detached

    ... you are an idiot. no one cares about your drool.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:49 p.m. CST

    300 million to make???

    by smackmybishop

    Seriously? How much money is this going to have to make to turn a profit if it cost that much to make? I remember there was a case of someone trying to sue the makers of Coming To America for stealing their idea. The studio said they did not turn a profit, despite it being made for a little under 40 million and making almost $300 million worldwide. Going by those sort of figures (and thinking simplistically), The Avengers would have to make around 2.5 billion to break even. Of course this may simply be a case of do not believe everything you read.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST

    You see, this is the part...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...where I always get confused. You've got this great trailer. And yeah, pretty great trailer there. It certainly put a smile on my face. Gave me a great deal of hope that the weekend of May fourth I'd be taking my kids to an Avengers movie not just worth seeing, which would already be a win, but that might actually be really good. And we've got a new Batman movie coming from a guy who made two really pretty good Batman movies already, the guy who made one Batman movie that was really more than pretty good, which was the best Batman movie ever made. To me...and obviously I'm missing something here...that's two reasons to be happy. Prometheus? Well I have to admit I'm terrified that it will be a huge letdown but I'm awfully excited to see it, and it just might be wonderful. And to me...ummm...that's three reasons to be happy. I mean, if you like movies isn't it better to have three good ones than one? You know, I'm even hoping the new Spiderman will be good...because that would be four. You know what? I'm hoping Dark Shadows, The Raven, and yes, even the remake of Total Recall are good, too. I'm hoping Pixar gets back on track with Brave. I'm hoping Snow White isn't as dreadful as it's most certainly going to be, that the new Resident Evil is the first Resident Evil ever that when I watch it, on video a few months after it comes out, doesn't make me ask why the hell I can't learn the simplest damn lesson after four straight movies. I even hope Liam Neeson calls out firing coordinates in Battleship as G12, A4, H1, then climbs up on the alien whatsis at the end of the movie, shout 'You sunk my battleship!' and shoot the head alien in the face. Because there's no way Battleship will be good, I can't even hope for that, but at least that would make me laugh. Movies are not Highlander, folks. There can be more than one.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Thor and Cap's shield

    by jgull

    The vibranium in the shield grants it unusual properties, allowing it to absorb virtually all of the kinetic impact from any blows that the shield receives without injuring Rogers in the process. The vibranium is also a factor in the way Rogers throws his shield: he often uses it to ricochet around a room and strike various opponents with little loss of velocity in its forward movement after each impact.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST

    rightarrows...

    by Detached

    all I can say is we need to wait to see the whole film. you're right, Iron Man (let alone Cap) has zero chance against Thor, etc. But - if the scene that is reportedly in the movie is actually there (and this trailer hints at it), you'll see that Whedon has not muffed it re Thor. We'll have to wait to see.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST

    I wonder if that last scene is the opposite of what it appears?

    by MisterE

    Maybe Iron Man is leading a calvary charge, and we'll see Midgard Serpent vs. alien invasion?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Thor and Cap's Shield pt2

    by jgull

    Oh and remember, Thor is not a god or demi-god in these movies. He's an alien race from another dimension or something.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Midgard Serpent vs Alien Armada?

    by D.Vader

    Like Thor summons the beast and Iron Man draws it in towards the alien armada? FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU--

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:56 p.m. CST

    mrekoletmelive, d.vader, you're right...

    by Detached

    ... i'm not the nolan fan most people are, but of course not everyone agrees, and so what. by and large, i just (sorry) "marvel" at what's coming this year and next, and almost certainly even beyond that. i never thought i'd actually see a live action Avengers movie that is this close to the original stories. I can still hardly believe it. That, plus the new Spidey (FINALLY we get the Lizard!) and the other upcoming goodies... well, you're right: geeks have never had it anywhere close to this good. sit back and enjoy the ride.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST

    jgull

    by Detached

    I can see granting some leeway (some) re Cap's shield, to a point. And though Thor is not a "god" as in the comics, he still seems to have all the powers that he did there.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Detached

    by D.Vader

    Its a good time to be a geek. I'm just happy that we're getting good Batman movies AND that we've got these Marvel icons in one big movie together! As a kid, I never dreamed this would actually happen!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Whedon alien script was not bastardized

    by Nick

    Read his script. It's all in the film. The only thing fox did was cut out the stupid ending and some green house scene on a truck. Oh and combine two characters into one. In fact I think the director did all he could with whedons crap script. Alien resurrections problem is the story not the budget acting or directing. Whedons interview on the making of, shows he had no idea how to write the ripley character. He had no knowledge on the other films and made a joke that he was afraid sigorney was going to ask him to write in a kitten and make her more cute. The guy is a knob and the only reason he has a following is because you fanboys see yourself in him

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 8:12 p.m. CST

    natalie...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I'm not a big Whedon fan myself. But the first two acts of Alien Resurrection are actually pretty good before the movie goes down in admittedly enormous flames. And even in the third act a lot of the problems (not all, but a lot) were certainly the fault of the production. I don't think Whedon designed possibly the most ludicrous monster since a beach party was invaded by a guy in a frog mask with hotdogs in his mouth. The shot selection and pacing of Brad Dourif's denouement was so amateurish it hurt to watch. And Winona Ryder's Thorazine paced performance was a problem throughout. And probably the thing Whedon got most right was Ripley's character. She had some great bits in that movie, especially during the first act. Her line 'I'm finding a lot of things funny lately, but I don't think they are' is not only a great line but one she delivered beautifully.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 8:18 p.m. CST

    DC sucks

    by Klaatu

    Deal with it.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 8:19 p.m. CST

    I think BW and Hawk are basically Shield's "team members"

    by Andrew Coleman

    To me they look like they are the one's that will be there for SHIELD while Hulk, Thor, CA and IM are the real Avengers. Also why does everything here turn into like a This vs. That thing? Why can't we be excited for both this and TDKR? Why can't we like Nolan and Whedon? Well I do... I guess those who need to pick a side are just children because it's pathetic.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Guys, you're all wrong; Loki will be the big surprise

    by zinc_chameleon

    Has anyone figured out that when Loki walks out to meet the city's leaders that there is a reason he's wearing a Brooks Brothers suit, and gallantly swinging his cane? He's going to give them a variation on the Klaatu speech, and they're going to eat it up. Something like: "Sorry for entrance, but I had to convince you I can do what I say. So, from now on, your warring factions have to lay down their weapons and work out their differences. Peace-loving nations, just go about your normal business, you're under my protection now." That's what will defeat the Avengers, guys. Loki is always ten steps ahead.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 8:26 p.m. CST

    It's Opening May 4th?

    by Lesbianna_Winterlude

    It doesn't even need to be good, then.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 8:26 p.m. CST

    d.vader (RE: Serpent vs. Alien)...

    by MisterE

    Who knows, could be... Maybe that's what Loki is referring to when he's talking about lost creatures and desperation?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Best birthday gift EVER

    by _Lizarkeo

    Thanks, MARVEL!!!!!!!! <p/> Now, show us the goddamn SHIELD HELICARRIER, LOL. And Natasha piloting the IRON MAIDEN. And the HULKBUSTER saving the Hulkster's ass (you know, for payback, heh). HARDWARE PORN FOR EVERYONE :-P <p/> Cheers!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 8:28 p.m. CST

    To the crybabies about Shield vs Hammer...

    by chiwrtr72

    It's clear that the Captain vs Thor vs Ironman fight is TRAINING. It might get a little out of hand but it's training not them going full force. Yeah Hawkeye and Black Widow are out of their element but it's clear that they realize it from Widow's line. They are there to give the human perspective among the "gods" Whedon is going to rock this

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Oh... and Avengers vs Batman

    by chiwrtr72

    Why are idiots choosing one or another? I hope/expect both movies to be excellent... because I like movies and superheroes and superhero movies. No one is forcing people to go to ANY movie so shitting on one is idiotic at best.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Detached

    by Hipshot

    You're right. I sit corrected.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 8:40 p.m. CST

    The "looks like TV" complaint is particularly funny when you think...

    by Gabe Athouse

    ...that Michael Bay movies look like car commercials. Not enough lens flares and orange sunlight for you or something?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Banner lives in a shack, but it well dressed?

    by Cobb05

    Only thing I didn't like. Looks AWESOME!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Best trailer yet for this!

    by Cruizer Dave

    I've been fairly skeptical about this movie, but this trailer makes it look really entertaining.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 9:04 p.m. CST

    mastershake, nice Mongo reference. made me titter.

    by dahveed1972

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 9:18 p.m. CST

    hey creepythinmans-revenge

    by Skankardly

    YOU'RE AN IDIOT!!!!! FACT!!!!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Whedon vs Nolan? No contest.

    by oisin5199

    No seriously, no contest because you can't compare them. Two very different artists doing two very different things in different ways for different reasons. Abrams and Whedon might be the better comparison (seeing as they both came from genre tv), but even then there's different sensibilities.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Love this trailer...but Scarlett and her character are ridicules...

    by conspiracy

    Don't get me wrong...I love me some Scarlett..and Black Widow is a cool character...but whats with the cap gun against Gods? She'd have more effect if she'd whip out them big juicy casaba's...at least she might distract their opponents long enough for someone with a super power or a decent fucking weapon to actually get a shot in

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST

    and this trailer is made of awesome.

    by oisin5199

    Can't wait. In Joss we Trust.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Nipples hard? CHECK! Ejaculate spillage? CHECK! Small shart? CHECK!

    by Dr. Egon Spengler

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Avengers, Prometheus, DKR, The Hobbit, Amazing Spider-Man,Skyfall...

    by MARCEL_THE_NEGRO_PROJECTIONIST

    2012 will be one of the best movie years EVER. With this trailer, The Avengers has just ensured itself two sequels. CAN'T FUCKING WAIT!!!!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Joss.

    by puto tenax

    Don't stop now 'cause the pony ain't home yet. Helluva leap out of the gate.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Joss whedon is a God! He is a God!

    by kbarber29

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 9:55 p.m. CST

    red ned lynch

    by Nick

    actually, believe it or not, Whedon's was worse The 3rd act was shown as written... except the earth ending... where Ripley fights the new born on earth on top of some harvester farm equipment. his newborn, was crab like, and had a claw for head... it was giant and red.... makes sense... I mean a xenomorph baby would look like a red crab monster, right?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Regarding cameos...

    by UTexLex

    Everyone's talking about a Spider-Man cameo, but I'm more interested in the other peripheral characters from previous Marvel flicks... I think it'd add a lot of gravitas to the film if Gwyneth's Pepper showed up for a scene (even at the very beginning as Tony heads to NYC for "business", which appears to be the case...He nonchalantly enters his NYC pad shooting down Nick Fury's recruitment efforts, so I assume he's in town on a whim versus showing up mid-battle...) Or to have Natalie Portman's character show up for Thor. Again, either at the beginning as the device that draws him back to Earth, or at the end to set up Thor 2.... Captain/BW/Hawkeye will have no connective tissue for the obvious reasons, and Hulk can be ruled out due to the reboot from the Ed Norton version, but from the others, I'd love to see something. From the post-credits sequence in Thor, I assume Stellan Skasgard is in this film (along with the Cosmic Cube)??, but we've yet to see either... I'd be just as enchanted with pop-up's from those folks than from Hugh Jackman's Wolverine or Spidey. Side-note: Think of the tingle you get from the post-credit teases of other flicks and just imagine how this film will end, let alone a post-credit scene. EPIC.

  • Hiya Thor, remember me?

  • Shooting a Natalie Portman cameo while pregnant could have been problematic. Thor returns to Earth, Jane Foster is all knocked up, awkwardness ensues. I also wanna see Pepper Pots!

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Don't call it the 616 universe

    by GulDucati

    That's so ghey, it's not DC.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 10:13 p.m. CST

    utexlex

    by GulDucati

    How about General Thunderbolt Ross? He's gotta have connections to Shield since the Marvel Short in Thor blu ray suggested that Stark was sent as a consultant at the end of Hulk.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Natalie...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...do you know anything about how the film-making process works. A writer's description of a creature, unless said description contains elements that are essential to the plot (and often not even then) mean pretty much nothing. The design of the baby was a disaster. And as for Whedon's ending being worse? Well, I have no idea if the one you're talking about is true, but I would prefer even that to the baby saying mama before it was sucked out the pinhole like a bowlful of jelly. So sorry, can't really agree.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Is it ok that I liked Aliens: Resurrection?

    by IPRAYTOCROM

    I mean I get that Alien/Aliens were far superior films but there was just something downright fun about Aliens: Resurrection. It had no business being set within the Alien universe but it's still a damn fun movie. Oh and it has Ron Pearlman!

  • Stuff not suited for the other guys. If all she does leg lock random security gaurds and flip them over it would be pretty dumb to consider her an Avenger.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Thet really should've gave Black Widow a thick russian accent.

    by Nerd Rage

    Damn that would be hot.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Fucking Booger Eating Retards

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Arguing over this and Dark Knight Rises, and the directors. What a bunch of little stupid pussies you all are. Both are completely different kinds of films and different styles of directors. Each film has the right director, although I'd like to see what Whedon would do with Batman. Or give him Batgirl, for that matter. Either way, if you've seen Serenity you should have known he could handle action and he can get downright grim. So many of you whiney bitches have always underestimated him for whatever reason. And if you really think he's going to give Black Widow a stupid part, you either haven't seen that he writes most of his stuff for women, and he excels at doing women who kick ass. Whedon can handle action and he can handle character. I think a whole bunch of you rancid-cunted whores are going to be eating a lot of crow after this movie comes out.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 10:43 p.m. CST

    I'm still not convinced...

    by MattDomville

    ...that some of the members are contributing as much as others. A comic on the subject: http://www.cinemabums.com/?p=152

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Looks fun, but every character will sound like Joss Whedon

    by GARY MAKIN

    Lame title, too.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:03 p.m. CST

    How can anyone on this site think this is a bad trailer?

    by Winston Smith

    THIS is what aicn is all about. A comic book movie that FEELS LIKE A COMIC BOOK MOVIE. Big, colorful, over the top. I'm officially excited, I hope the film really is as epic as this trailer hints. Can't wait for DKR either. Prometheus is still my #1 most anticipated for 2012 summer.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:32 p.m. CST

    well

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    just because the dialogue and character interaction in the trailer is underwhelming doesn't mean it's not good in the overall movie. It's gotta be half-way decent coming from Whedon, right?

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:35 p.m. CST

    #1 TDKR

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    #2 Avengers

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Simply put, the trailer is awesome. The movie will either be of epic

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    proportions, and be one of the greatest comic adaptations ever, or it will tank like Transformers 2. There will be no middle ground.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:49 p.m. CST

    WIDOW & PSEUDO HAWKEYE

    by VICTORY

    Those who complain about the Widow and Hawkeye forget that The Avengers is a government sponsored initiative. The only 2 people Fury can trust here to follow orders are both of them. They are his eyes and ears. Maybe Cap a little bit too. The rest of the team are loose cannons he can't really count on.

  • Feb. 29, 2012, 11:58 p.m. CST

    This whole Nolan vs Whedon/TDKR vs Avengers debate is ridiculous

    by NativeGaijin

    You know, I like westerns. Always have. But it would never occur to me to compare Unforgiven to Silverado, or declare which director did a better job, Eastwood or Kasdan. Why? Because beyond both movies having cowboys, six shooters and horses in them, the two films had absolutely nothing in common either in story or intent. Same with The Dark Knight Rises and The Avengers. Is it really that difficult for people to look beyond the obvious costumes and comic book origins to see this? If so, then we have some seriously shallow thinkers here trying to disguise their lack of perspective by trying to con everyone into thinking that they superior because they prefer The Dark Knight Rises. Pretentious much?

  • March 1, 2012, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Hulk saved X-23 in a Marvel Vs Capcom 3 cinematic trailer

    by Relugus

    So its not that unusual. I suspect Wasp will appear after the film's closing credits. The problem with Black Widow is, Marvel has a very weak line-up of female characters. DC wipes the floor with them in that department; Wonder Woman, Black Canary, Catwoman, Oracle, Batgirl, Supergirl, Huntress, the Question, Big Barda, etc, whereas Marvel has (outside of X-Men)...Phoenix,Wasp, Scarlet Witch, She-Hulk...and...er... I'm hoping Death's Head appears as an antagonist in Avengers 2, I bet Whedon would love DH's personality and him clashing with Iron Man, Thor, etc. He'd be unexpected and would get plenty of laughs as well as being a badass.

  • March 1, 2012, 12:04 a.m. CST

    @the dude abides - female characters

    by kevred

    I agree on the potential female characters. Call me crazy, but I'd love to see the 80s black female Captain Marvel. (And they just might still be able to cast Angela Bassett, to right the injustice of her being passed over for Storm.) But to have a strong, mature black woman who can go toe to toe with the men doesn't seem to compute in comic book films, yet. So instead we get Buffy in a catsuit, and can't even be bothered to give her her comic backstory or accent. That's laziness, and that's why it's getting criticized. No one's going to be sad to see SJ's tightly-clad body on screen, but we want the story to be plausible. And not just Ultimates plausible. Ultimates are terrible. Every time I hear someone explaining a detail of the Ultimates version of something, I just cringe. Cybernetically-enhanced Hawkeye killing people by throwing his fingernails at them? Go to hell, Ultimates universe. Pure garbage, for people too uptight to have fun.

  • March 1, 2012, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Hulk saving IRONMAN=Bumblebee saving SHIA. lol

    by Zurge

    http://wildcardcomics.deviantart.com/art/Avenging-Avengers-very-Avengery-2-287955348

  • .....that creature at the end chasing Iron Man is most likely (80-90% probability) the Midgard Serpent (Jormungand). You can clearly see the fands and scaly head buried underneath an armor of sorts (I'm guessing Skrull). But IF I have to guess I would bet that we 're onlyt going to see it in serpent form and not as Fi Fo Fum - which would be hard to translate to live action (a giant lizard -like monstor with arms and wearing purple shorts would just look silly). It makes more sense that Loki is somehow able to summon it, and then using the Cosmic cube to either draw the Skrull or enter into a pact with them, uses their technology to kit up the Serpent which is actually one of Thor's biggest adversaries not just in the comics but going all the way back to actual Norse mythology and having actually killed him. I would imagine a final battle where the rest of teh Avengers take care of the Skrulls while Thor takes down the Serpent. I would only be curious as to how Thanos fits into all this since we know whe's going to make a brief cameo (probably setting up the sequel and potentially carrying on from the first Thor movie when we saw the Infinity gauntlet in Odin's chamber.

  • March 1, 2012, 12:09 a.m. CST

    **fangs**

    by Kai_Mah'gra

  • March 1, 2012, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Being pretentious is a geek's #1 trait...

    by Dr. Egon Spengler

    But I'm with you, the arguments on here are pretty ridiculous and funny to read.

  • March 1, 2012, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Avengers Assemble

    by Mark

    Fuck ya. This movie is gonna rock and roll some shit.

  • March 1, 2012, 12:34 a.m. CST

    All my life.

    by artist420

    I'm 53 years old, and I had a shitty Southern Louisiana childhood. Comics were a blessed respite from the awfulness. A small, 12-year old part of me has been waiting for this summer since 1971, and it's finally here. Holy shitburgers, am I excited. I'm gonna take my grandson to see this one. Life is good today.

  • having read some spoilers accidentally at a real movie site (slashfilm), I can see exactly how this movie turns out... my ass WILL see this, and Im sure I will enjoy it, but yea... I think I seen the entire movie (I also believe Thor takes care of the flying machine at the end which ends up with the Cap saving Black Widow from the debris) I really hope theres a 2nd/3rd act action that we havent seen yet, but I do believe we have seen almost all the action (minus 1 or 2 money shots) but irregardless of the action portion of the film, I know the dialogue will be awesome. RDJ speaking Whedons words? fuuuuck yes. honestly, i probably could do without the action and just have the entire movie be just the avengers being snarky to each other... but, yes, i can see the criticisms of this looking like a tv show (albeit the most expensive show ever) but the magic of this movie will be the interaction (because in hindsight, Iron Man sucked action wise minus one scene but that movie was great because of the characters/dialogue) anyway, go team Avengers ps: also to hump on the DKR vs Avengers topic... unless DKR has some total surprises (ie JGL becoming Robin/Nightwing/Joker/someobody), I think Avengers might win this round... but I say that only because I want Nolan to totally prove me wrong

  • March 1, 2012, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Damn is that me at the end of the trailer?

    by midgard serpent

    That was a very cool trailer and much better than than first one. Fingers crossed that they have more stuff up their sleeve (Hulk versus Thor) that has not been shown yet. Looking forward to this movie more than before!

  • I recall sadly how Emily Blunt had the role but got screwed over by Fox who forced her to be in Gulliver's Travels. Damn you Fooooooooooooooooooox!!

  • March 1, 2012, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Great Trailer and let me get a few things off my chest.

    by Phategod2

    I can not believe someone is pretentious enough to come on a website dedicated to sc-fi genre type movies, and complain about comic book movies. Buddy, you really took the time to make an account here, and WTF do expect to see here. As far as heroes with masks and hood, Caps alter ego is common knowledge he has no family, or loved ones, hell Tony outed himself in the 1st movie so he has nothing to worry about everyone else is maskless. I know almost D1ck about Clint Barton so I dont know if he has a real alter ego to protect. As for this Chris Nolan Vs Joss Whedon thing, as far as I know Whedon has only directed one movie, Serenity as opposed to Nolan exceptional body of work. I will say as far as action, (which is something Nolan has struggled with) Whedon seemed he was pretty able to handle and the trailer shows evidence of what he's able to do with enough $$ and talent.

  • my hands were soaking wet. No bullshit. I don't know why, maybe because for a those few moments I was right there with them and so into it. Holy shit. I think we've reached some kind of geek periculum. There's Chronicle - a concept so simple, often fantasized about, and yet geniusly done. You have the ultimate Batman realized. Spider-Man, Ghost Rider, Superman, etc. Now we have Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and more teamed up fighting awesome shit amongst skyscrapers, characters established in their own films and loved. Joss Fucking Whedon writing and directing. And if you don't LOVE Buffy, FUCK YOU. Hulk leaping and catching Iron Man owned followed by them assembling, then Iron Man making some kind of smartass quip while having an umberhulkmech smashing chasing him. It was right out of a Saturday Fox Cartoon from the '90s (and I mean in the best possible way that does not suck). We're living the dream in dreamworld.

  • March 1, 2012, 1:24 a.m. CST

    The HULK looks like the 70's Comic Book HULK.

    by Orionsangels

    Awesome!

  • March 1, 2012, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Where's Ant Man?

    by LizardMan

  • I get where you were going with it... but NO ONE, not even Superman compares to Batman... NO ONE if Jesus existed, he would pray to Batman

  • March 1, 2012, 2:29 a.m. CST

    All I could do was laugh

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    at how awesome that was.

  • this looks fucking great! I know that dark knight rises will affect and hit me more because I love the character much much more and that it will be a better film, quality wise, but FUCK... seeing this trailer gives me fucking chills! completely different movie but great trailer! wow! kinda hope dc are getting around to doing a jla or superman/batman film in the same comicbooky vein as this!

  • March 1, 2012, 2:44 a.m. CST

    well said yourstepdaddy

    by Pipple

    and if this movie works i hope it doesn't necessarily lead to a trend of big epic superhero crossover movies because that can turn shitty real quick.

  • March 1, 2012, 2:45 a.m. CST

    You guys know this is just a movie right ? Seriously... Jizzing ?

    by higgledyhiggles

  • March 1, 2012, 2:48 a.m. CST

    I think I just geeked all over myself...

    by Lacloake

  • No, really, sez so in a recent Marvel Handbook printing, so, yay, official Marvel Earth designation!

  • March 1, 2012, 3:11 a.m. CST

    The Marvel Cinematic Universe is Earth-199999, I mean

    by Al

    Seriously, google it. All official-like and stuff. Of course, if at some point somebody in a Marvel movie busts out "616", there will be hell to pay, I say!

  • March 1, 2012, 3:40 a.m. CST

    The Film Has To Be Tracking At A 70 Million Dollar Opening..

    by Media Messiah

    ...or higher, for its first initial weekend of release. It can't fail.

  • March 1, 2012, 4:25 a.m. CST

    That got me hard.

    by Isaac R.

    That's it man, dropping everything and getting to work on that Moebius Mark VI kit NOW. Hopefully I'll remember how to wire a switch. Been a few years...lol

  • March 1, 2012, 4:36 a.m. CST

    FIGHT AS ONE!!

    by Stalkeye

    goddamn, I can't wait till May 4th. A perfect Birthday present awaits.

  • March 1, 2012, 4:58 a.m. CST

    April 27, wish I could book tickets now! Cause I would!

    by DidntPullOutInTimeCop

    Man this is what we've been waiting for!

  • I'm sorry but TDKR and Spidey will get owned this Summer. Damn this looks good.

  • March 1, 2012, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Leave Batman out...

    by Hipshot

    Green Arrow has been in JLA with Superman and didn't get shit like this. Come on, guys...these teams have ALWAYS had extremely powerful and more human-like heroes combined. Some have complained, but the fact that Avengers and JLA have been published continuously for almost 50 years says that there is a gigantic audience that accepts the apparent contradiction just fine. Get real. In my tool room I have power tools and screwdrivers. The right tool for the right job.

  • March 1, 2012, 5:54 a.m. CST

    Y'all know this is pretend, right?

    by Ciderman

    Just checking... Seems some folks get like Justin Long in Galaxy Quest 'round these parts...

  • March 1, 2012, 5:56 a.m. CST

    Since 1966 ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    When the Xerographic-animated Gantray-Lawrence Marvel cartoons (http://www.timewarpmemories.com/Shero.html) were first shown on Australian TV I think I would have been about 6 years old. Turning 50 this year but ... my inner 6 year old always said it would look like this. May 4 can't come soon enough.

  • March 1, 2012, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Hulk catching Iron Man scene...

    by SwedishChef

    is filled with scientific inaccuracies.

  • March 1, 2012, 6:51 a.m. CST

    I hope this movie doesn't go Phantom Menace on us

    by Jackson

  • March 1, 2012, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Cause nothing is manlier the Don Cheedle ;)

    by Phategod2

  • March 1, 2012, 7:33 a.m. CST

    oops Then Don Cheedle

    by Phategod2

    Sorry but the brother doesn't exactly scream manly.

  • March 1, 2012, 7:35 a.m. CST

    When You have, "A hulk", America's greatest Hero, And a God

    by Phategod2

    Who else do you need? Was there any other Avengers in marvel history who ever topped these guys? really.

  • March 1, 2012, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Why would we wanna see the Iron Twins flying around in similar suits?

    by DidntPullOutInTimeCop

    Iron Cheadle is obviously not working for SHIELD. And it's been explained over and over: Black Widow and Hawkeye are working for SHIELD. On the Avengers Initiative they are more like black ops. What if there's a villain with a big bullseye in his forehead? Do you need the hassle of bringing in the Hulk to take him down? Or do you call in your hawkeyed weapons master (already on the payroll and follows orders) to hit the bullseyed fool where it hurts? Read The Ultimates, it will all make sense.

  • March 1, 2012, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Yeah but War machine is not an Avenger

    by Phategod2

    Sorry but there's no room for the poor mans Ironman. And hey I'm Afro-American and from Philly like Rhodey.

  • March 1, 2012, 8:04 a.m. CST

    thanks detached

    by NightArrows

    If there is a moment that shows just what Thor can do, well, that puts me at ease for now. Like I said, I AM excited for this, and so far, little things aside, it looks like it won't disappoint. As for War Machine, no need for him in here. I thought Cheadle looked ridiculous in the suit anyways...I wouldn't want that bulbous head staring out of an open mask in this film.

  • March 1, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Why doesn't anyone shoot Loki in the head?

    by cookylamoo

    Probably won't work but it's worth a shot.

  • You don't think a human sized skrull/ord/alien would feel a bullet/arrow to the head?

  • March 1, 2012, 8:11 a.m. CST

    @drstrangerlove; you have no idea why War Machine was busy at that point.

    by DidntPullOutInTimeCop

    I know. You don't.

  • You get it now?

  • March 1, 2012, 8:21 a.m. CST

    The scene where they're standing in a circle ....

    by Dalius

    looks really cool, but is stupid from a strategy point of view : "Hey, we're under attack, let's all stand together out in the open in a place surrounded by tall buildings !!!". And three of them are supposed to have military training. Tsk. Amateurs! ;-)

  • March 1, 2012, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Whedon created the greatest TV series of all time

    by Dalius

    and by that I mean Firefly (curse you studio execs), not to mention Buffy, Angel and co-writing Toy Story, and now the Avengers. I'm prepared to let him off the odd Alien Resurrection (which wasn't the worst in the Alien series BTW).

  • March 1, 2012, 8:32 a.m. CST

    The *REAL* reason the Black Widow is in this

    by Dalius

    Lots of girls will be going to see this movie for mssrs Evans and Hemsworth and they'll be dragging their boyfriends/husbands/whatever along, and so ScarJo is there so they have something nice to look at !!! ;-)

  • March 1, 2012, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Chills. I got fucking chills.

    by Fawst

    And I don't care at ALL about the Avengers. I was always more of a fan of the mutant and supernatural comics from Marvel. But I'll be damned if that didn't get me all kinds of excited. I'm with the people above, that shot of Hulk catching Iron Man was what sealed it for me. All of it was great, but that was the icing on the cake.

  • March 1, 2012, 8:36 a.m. CST

    ohholyfuckjizzballs

    by alexander

  • Kersplat! I bet she would persuade banner by water boarding Betty. Not what you guys were thinking.

  • March 1, 2012, 8:56 a.m. CST

    dalius: firefly had that hot hooker.

    by UltraTron

    But the greatest tv series of all time was probably Trailer Park boys.

  • March 1, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST

    I'm glad ScarJo is there with her pistol

    by jakal40

    so she can help out those soldiers with mounted 50 caliber rifles. Can someone please explain to me what her "power" is?

  • March 1, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Looks great....but WHY is Batman not in this?!?!?!

    by Dogmatic

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM9qA_OnXXY&feature=related Shitty Youtube quality. Didn't look around but it's probably in better quality on Marvel's site.

  • March 1, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Black Widow is there to be underestimated

    by Autodidact

    With THOR and Hulk running around you don't worry about Black Widow much. She slinks off and disables this or that system while the main action goes on. I hope that's how they use her in this movie.

  • March 1, 2012, 9:46 a.m. CST

    TDKR, Promethius, Avengers...

    by Blanket-Man

    The reason (or at least the biggest reason) that I rank Avengers as my #1 anticipated movie of 2012 is that it is attempting to do something that's really never been done in cinema history: Uniting four different movie franchises into one giant team-up. This would be like the Sean Connery Bond meeting the Dean Martin Matt Helm and the James Coburn Flynt... on mega-steroids. Never happened. The closest I can think of is Who Framed Roger Rabbit? which brought together cartoon characters from various movies/tv series, but most of those were just cameos. Plus this has actually been planned and addressed in each of the individual member's movies. I can't think of anything in movie history that's similar. Nolan's Bat-films have been great - but there are already two of them. Nothing new there. And how many super-disappointing third movies in a trilogy have we seen? Just about all of 'em, unfortunately. Promethius? Again, there have been quite a few Alien movies. Yeah, it's cool that Ridley Scott is returning to the franchise, but we've also seen 1970s/1980s franchises revisited in the last few years that should've been left alone. And Scott's been pretty hit-or-miss over the past decade or two. "From the director of Robin Hood, Body of Lies, Hannibal and GI Jane" just doesn't get me that pumped. Yes, I'll definitely concede that Scott's directorial resume dwarfs Whedon's by a few miles, but, again, Avengers is an unprecedented concept we're talking about. TDKR will probably out-box-office Avengers, though, simply because there are more Bat-fans out there, at least among the movie-going public. The receipts for just about every other Bat-flick prove that. But I'm still jonesing for the AVENGERS much more...

  • March 1, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST

    jakal40..Black Widows "Power"...

    by conspiracy

    She has the ability to implant deviant visions in the minds of sexually immature males...causing salacious playground descriptions, repeat viewings, and eventually influencing DVD sales as they seek relief from the persistent uncomfortable erection she gave them.

  • March 1, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST

    heaven forbid the mods actually like things on their site.

    by Robert Evans

    What are the odds of a manchild and his cohorts actually liking the same things and then wanting to y'know actually write about them?!?! Think about what brought them here--a love of All Things Geek--and their desire to write ad naseum about it to whiny bitches on a daily basis. They awake every day to DO JUST THAT. On the contrary, your average talkbacker awakes to find hisself (or in LisaB's case-itself) locked in a meaningless existence and feeling they are only a small cog in the Machine. So they bitch. and they moan. about Every Fucking Thing. big or small. No detail is too moot to criticize and scrutinize by the most judging of ignorant eyes. This year is looking like an excellent (and entertaining) year at the cinema and i plan to fucking enjoy myself but this overwhelming assumption that because the ever-rare alignment of a film actually being good and the mods writing positive reviews about it, regardless of the expectations for the last year (or more depending on the source material), means they are bought or they have sold out is just sour grapes. Watchmen, John Carter, Avengers, The Hobbit...these are exquisite properties that many have waited a lifetime to see on the big screen..so why the fuck not get hyped about them?!? And when they turn out to be--WAIT FOR IT--good films, we blast the messenger because they got more enjoyment out of the films than you or I did? How can they like a film that I was indifferent about? All films should be made solely for MY enjoyment.. So the mods liked John Carter after waiting anxiously for it... Its not statistically possible. And it is in the humble opinion of the Choppah that this is not just 'Something That Happened.' This cannot be 'One of Those Things... ' This, please, cannot be that. And for what I would like to say, I can't. This Was Not Just A Matter Of Chance. Ohhhh. These strange things happen all the time.

  • March 1, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST

    I've watched it probably 5 or 6 times now...

    by conspiracy

    Scarlett gets both sexier, and funnier with every viewing. Alien/Dimensional/Advanced attacking forces lead by a near god...thats ok...I've got a 9mm Glock and a paper thin latex catsuit. Looks, ridicules and fun....I can't wait.

  • March 1, 2012, 10:03 a.m. CST

    threat, not treat...

    by Nick

  • March 1, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST

    @media messiah...Fuck NO it can't fail...It's Presold...

    by conspiracy

    They don't need to spend much on advertising..., they don't need to hold screenings, giveaways, or send out Pwesents....this fucking film is presold off the goodwill and hype generated by the films that came before. Every single person who went to see Iron Man, Thor, or Capt. America will be there in line...so long as Whedon didn't totally fuck this thing a new asshole this will be a $700M film and the start of a new franchise within and co-existing with the other stand alone Franchises. These actors, while already floating in money....have never seen such paydays as they'll see here so long as their lawyers were not totally inept. Year and years of profitable films, Merch sales, Dvd sales, downloads.... This film is gonna be a fucking money printing press

  • March 1, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Remember those leaked pics of ScarJo's butt?

    by Isaac R.

    Every time I see her, that's what I think of...lol Literally the nicest ass I've EVER seen.

  • March 1, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    conspiracy

    by Robert Evans

    agreed whole heartedly

  • March 1, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST

    isaac_r ..Thats the Ass that Launched a Million Loads...

    by conspiracy

    and generated at least $15-20M in ticket sales.

  • March 1, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST

    I mean really...her trainer should take a bow.

    by Isaac R.

    Rockin' body on that young lady.

  • March 1, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST

    I mean really...her trainer should take a bow.

    by Isaac R.

    Rockin' body on that little lady.

  • March 1, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Fuck Scarlett too... I want Chris to bear hug me.

    by Nick

  • Worldwide will be another 300 million... won't do anything more then 700 TOTAL.

  • March 1, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST

    It looks like the most entertaining...

    by Hipshot

    Comic book movie ever made. If you can't dial your head down to 12 years old, I feel sorry for you. I turned sixty today, and remember clearly being 12 or 14 and dreaming of an Avengers movie. And this looks better than what I dreamed of. I feel sorry for those of you too cynical to enjoy, or not try to piss on the joy of others. I really do. But for all of you guys and girls who'll be seeing this on opening weekend with me...AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!!

  • March 1, 2012, 10:36 a.m. CST

    SHAPESHIFTER HAWKEYE!

    by scumbag

    Why else would Black Widow be taking him out at 1:11? Also at 1:25 is she looking horrified because he's aiming at her??

  • March 1, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    you're 60, hipshot? Well, don't break your hip.....

    by Nick

  • March 1, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST

    that thing at the end...

    by foree forehead

    ..is voltron, i heard them say "it's a lion, it's huge"

  • March 1, 2012, 10:50 a.m. CST

    pretty good overall

    by foree forehead

    cgi still a bit weightless for me in parts, the hulk/iron man catch cool but sort of feather-light. and that banner shack is silly and ridiculous. best scene is hulk running behind black widow, they got him close there.

  • March 1, 2012, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Doesn't look good at all. Hulk looks even more fake.

    by chien_sale

    than before. and it's like they're fighting Transformers.

  • March 1, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Uhh make the the best non-animated Super-Hero shows ever.

    by cookylamoo

    I forgot about Batman TAS.

  • March 1, 2012, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Black Widow = Mystique

    by zinc_chameleon

    Look back at X-Men united and see how important Mystique is; I was shocked by how under-utilized she was in X-Man first class. Black Widow is an operative, they don't want to attention paid to them. And by the way, I think Emily Blunt would have been a very pretty Black Widow, but not a very convincing one. By her own admission, she's not very athletic. ScarJo trained herself nearly to death for this movie, her ex, Ryan Reynolds was in awe of how much effort she put out for it.

  • March 1, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    natalieportman...

    by Hipshot

    why, you sweet thing, that sounds suspiciously like a "happy birthday." And I'll take it in the spirit I hope it was intended. I'm in fabulous shape, thanks!

  • Seriously, without them where's the Drama? They've already Sapped Captain America of it.. and who cares about Thor and his lost sweet heart? <P> And the Hulk? He isn't going to be as volatile. <P> Sorry guys, but this is still shaping up to be some real broadly played weak sauce.

  • March 1, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST

    rightarrows...

    by Detached

    ... well, we shall see if that scene showing Thor's power (relative to the rest of the group) is actually in the film, although I understand it is. Believe me, if it's there, you'll know it **immediately**. Me, I can't wait. I'll be sitting in the theater thinking "I just can't believe I'm watching this." And I won't be alone.

  • March 1, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Ok someone

    by BERSERKR

    Please explain to me how to leave spaces between paragraphs and such on here :P

  • March 1, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST

    War Machine

    by GulDucati

    is a west coast avenger

  • March 1, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST

    berserkr is it...

    by foree forehead

    ...SHIFT+ENTER? hmm?

  • March 1, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST

    why yes

    by foree forehead

    it is

  • March 1, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Now that looks like great pulpy fun. Sold.

    by Orbots Commander

  • I actually was more pleased by a more subtle interaction between Cap and IM in the previous trailer. The exchange of "Mr. Stark" and then "Captain" was fantastic. I know it is a small thing but I liked how it seemed to establish the relationship- and acknowledgement of Captain America as the leader of the group. The initial clips prior to that- had the joking of "what are you without your gadgets?..." and then the . "Billionaire, Genius, Playboy… etc" which showed the characters getting to know each other- and of course, the cockiness of Stark. But that last clip definitely showed the mutual respect- and I loved it. The "Mr. Stark" line established (for me) the acknowledgement of Tony as a valuable contributor to the group for his technological genius (and perhaps also a nod to the relationship established between Cap and Stark's father, and the respect that was there). The "Captain" line, along with the subtle nod of the head, seemed to show that Stark had understood and accepted that Cap's skills and leadership ability were what the team needed and he can accept stepping to the side of the limelight. Very cool moment, and establishing the maturity of the character. I think this movie is going to be spectacular- for the visuals/ and action- but also for the character interactions- Whedon was a good choice for this.

  • March 1, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    angry kitty

    by NightArrows

    You know, that entire exchange could be an edit just for the trailer...

  • March 1, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    oops, sorry, meant "nightarrows" not "rightarrows"

    by Detached

    duh.

  • March 1, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Yeah, didn't think of that

    by angry kitty

    Oh well. That'll teach me to over analyze trailers

  • March 1, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Aspect Ratio

    by Todaysfate

    For those of you concerned about the 16:9 aspect ratio. Cinemascope aspect is a outdated format and shouldn't be used. In fact ... AVATAR was actually produced for IMAX and for your HDTV and what was shown in Real3D / Standard wide theaters actually had the top and bottom trimmed off. ... This is fact. If John Carter is in fact 16:9 go see it in IMAX then. It will fill the screen unlike many of the so called imax "experience" converted movies out there. And it will be quite impressive. Plus when you get it home in the fall it will look better as well.

  • March 1, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST

    oops ... Meant AVENGERS

    by Todaysfate

    For those of you concerned about the 16:9 aspect ratio. Cinemascope aspect is a outdated format and shouldn't be used. In fact ... AVATAR was actually produced for IMAX and for your HDTV and what was shown in Real3D / Standard wide theaters actually had the top and bottom trimmed off. ... This is fact. If THE AVENGERS is in fact 16:9 go see it in IMAX then. It will fill the screen unlike many of the so called imax "experience" converted movies out there. And it will be quite impressive. Plus when you get it home in the fall it will look better as well

  • March 1, 2012, 1:01 p.m. CST

    I for one applaud the 16:9 Aspect Ratio

    by Joe Plumber

    I thought that shit was decided on? 16:9 was the standard. WTF did I buy a 16:9 tv screen for if I still have to look at freaking black bars? I mean, I'm watching freaking Change-Up and that is in ultra-widescreen! Why does a stupid Bromantic Comedy need to be wider than the 16:9 standard?

  • March 1, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Scarlett

    by quintana007

    persuade me, pleeease

  • March 1, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Tony's disassemble-while-I-walk-bit... price of admission for me. I'm in.

    by impossibledreamers

    Actually, I love the fact that we're going to see them bump heads as well as thump Loki's. And the use of teamwork among the characters looks like good chemistry. It thats anything that Josh Whedon is good at - its character conflict and chemistry.

  • March 1, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Cap's Shield

    by Brian888

    Here's the skinny on the shield. Cap's shield is at least adamantium-level indestructible. In fact, adamantium was developed as a byproduct of the failed attempts to re-create the material comprising the shield. Cap's shield is as unique as he is. It has been established for a long, long time in the comics that it takes a lot more power than even Thor can muster to do anything to the shield. Famously, there was a brief scene where Thor hit the shield with Mjolnir as hard as he could. Thor claimed he put a microscopic dent in the shield, but nobody else could detect it. It's canon. In addition to its indestructibility, the shield almost perfectly absorbs all kinetic energy directed at it, since it is an alloy of Wakandan vibranium. So, if Cap can raise the shield to intercept the hammer blow from Thor, the shield is going to dissipate almost all of the force of the blow. The screenwriters in the Captain America movie appeared to forget this aspect of the shield on occasion, most egregiously in the train scene, but it's definitely a key aspect of the shield, and it's what lets Cap get into close combat with stuff like the Hulk without getting pasted immediately. So yeah, Cap surviving Thor landing a direct hit on the shield with Mjolnir is par for the course in the comics.

  • March 1, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST

    The blue glow at Widow's wrists

    by Brian888

    The smart money's on that glow representing the Widow's Bite. It's a weapons system used by Black Widow capable of firing off powerful, short-range bursts of electricity capable of stunning even heavy-hitting superheroes.

  • March 1, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    creepythin....

    by Hipshot

    Check your asshole and see for yourself.

  • March 1, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    From watching the extras on the IM2 disc, I admire

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    Scarlet's dedication to training for the role, but she is still horribly miscast.

  • March 1, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST

    About Mjolnir and Cap's shield: This is where they've

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    fucked up by asserting it's alien tech over magic. Even regarding the shield's ability to withstand damage, Mjolnir is an honor-based weapon; only the worthy may wield it. I'd imagine that the magic that powers Mjolnir would consider it a dishonor to damage that particular shield.

  • March 1, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    foree forehead

    by BERSERKR

    Thanks, this is the only website i have ever had to do such a thing, its usually just enter :P BAMN!

  • I wonder if they will mention the fact that Fury and/or BW are much older than they appear.

  • March 1, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Not those kind of implants.

    by dahveed1972

  • March 1, 2012, 2:43 p.m. CST

    brian888 re cap's shield

    by Detached

    I think the adamantium/shield thing came along a good while after my time with Marvel ended (which is fine, of course). However, the question I've always had about that concept is very simple: if the material is so indestructible, how was it forged/molded into its current shape? If it can withstand even Thor's hammer, what blast furnace on Earth could change its form? Given how powerful Thor's hammer is, especially when used by Thor himself, that seems like more than a little contradiction...

  • Shed make a kickass Scarlett Witch for example.

  • March 1, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST

    The Hulk looks just as shit as he did in the last two films.

    by Ray_Tango

    At least, in these brief shots I feel that way. But perhaps there will be some character moments up there with Gollum (yeah right).

  • March 1, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST

    detached re: Cap's Shield

    by Brian888

    The exact details surrounding how Cap's shield was made have always been hazy, by design. Nobody knows how, exactly, it was made. I believe that it was largely the result of an unforeseen accident or reaction that basically produced the shield in its present form. As to your larger question of how an indestructible metal is ever forged into anything, the second X-Men movie actually takes a crack at addressing this. I can't remember if this is the way it works in the comics, but in that movie, Stryker notes that adamantium is always synthesized in a liquid form. You have to keep it in a liquid state to pour it into molds, etc., because once it hardens, it becomes indestructible. IIRC, something similar probably happened with Cap's shield.

  • March 1, 2012, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Avengers vs. Avengers

    by apersonofinterest

    One of the best trailers EVER but why are the Avengers fighting each other? Besides the scene in the forest where Cap, Iron Man and Thor are fighting each other, there's a quick shot of Black Widow kicking Hawkeye out a window. Does that mean these are Skrulls they're fighting? I know in most comic book team ups, the book usually starts out with the heroes fighting each other and then some shit jumps off requiring them to team up and work together to fight the bad guy. This is the best Movie Hulk yet. The first Ang Lee version was horrible. The Ed Norton Hulk was too vein-ey looking and the scene where he's strapped to the table and they're trying to take the monster out of him, the transformation scene looks as bad as the old BW Lon Cheney Werewolf transform. Black Widow looks amazing in this. When she's laying on the ground on her stomach looking up, her ass looks perfectly curvacious. I think she could persuade me to do just about anything. The machine that removes Iron Man's Armor is really stupid. Does he have to remember to put the right foot forward first otherwise the whole process is fucked up? You would think removing the armor would be a delicate process and you can't just walk out of it like that. Not too sure about the giant Decepticon at the end. It looks too much like the thing in Transformers that took out the buildings in NY.

  • March 1, 2012, 3:30 p.m. CST

    best thing about this movie

    by apersonofinterest

    It looks like Pepper Potts is not in it!

  • March 1, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST

    @Conspiracy

    by Media Messiah

    Yes, I agree, and that is my point. Even if this was the worst movie of all time, which it is not, and won't be, it will make huge box office, and aftermarket sells for years to come, this is something that the naysayers have failed to calculate.

  • March 1, 2012, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Chocolate covered awesome.

    by shran

    Hulk catching Iron Man actually made me say "Yes!" out loud in my office.

  • March 1, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Where is Black Lightning?

    by Lesbianna_Winterlude

    Boycott this racist shit.

  • March 1, 2012, 3:44 p.m. CST

    dr strangelove. Pete Burns

    by apersonofinterest

    is in Dead or Alive not Bauhaus. You're thinking of Peter Murphy. BTW...Have you seen Pete Burns lately???

  • March 1, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST

    PS

    by Media Messiah

    As well, we have never seen a team super hero film bring together other characters from other franchised films before, this is a first, as such, the cross-marketing on this film...and the various marketing demographics are going to be wild. the only flaw would be that they are missing more of a female influence on-screen. I guess we'll have to wait for the sequel for that, and that will give the franchise room to expand...and grow its audience. I would suggest that they cast Wasp as very young to get the youth audience...the same with at least another character, male.

  • March 1, 2012, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Great new blog piece about the avengers at

    by Ray

    filmcycle.wordpress.com

  • March 1, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST

    A comment and request for frequent posters

    by Unbeliever

    !

  • March 1, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST

    A comment and request for frequent posters

    by Unbeliever

    !

  • March 1, 2012, 4:31 p.m. CST

    I don't get the complaints about Widow/Hawkeye...

    by Rebel Scumb

    1) they are on the team in the comics, if they were excluded the same people would be whinning about their absence. 2) You have a problem with a girl with a gun/martial arts and a commando with a bow and arrow, yet some how think a guy with just a shield, a guy in some armor and a strong guy with a hammer would be much more use against an alien armada??? This all makes just as much sense as the action in comics ever does. Almost every team has a variety of hitters, and there is usually at least one token 'no powers, just a bad ass with weapons' character

  • March 1, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST

    brian888, okay...

    by Detached

    ... guess i can buy that. a bit flimsy, maybe, but we *are* dealing with comic books, and i've sure heard/read worse. thanks. i still actually don't buy the idea that any metal could absorb that much force, even in a comic book world (certain limits of reality have to remain, one would think), but it does make for a good story device... thanks again.

  • March 1, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST

    personofinterest re avengers fighting avengers...

    by Detached

    ... i believe loki may have taken control of black widow or hawkeye, hence the fighting (or so i've been told). we'll see when the film comes out...

  • March 1, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Fact

    by GulDucati

    If you have to add the word FACT to anything, it immediately means that everything that preceded it was bullshit.

  • they did use the classic 'this is the entire world supply' explanation in Capt America, and it would actually make 'in universe' sense

  • March 1, 2012, 5 p.m. CST

    GOD.CANT.HOLD.IN.THE.NERD!

    by Jose Armenta

    Actually, Cap's shield is equivalent to Thor's Hammer in that they are both rare(as in,one of a kind, in the marvel universe) and contain "magical" properties. The "established" canon regarding Cap's Shield(at least, as far as I remember) Is that it was also created by Dr. Erskine along with the super soldier formula. In fact, their is a great mystery sorrounding the Dr., since he was able to create very advanced technology during world war 2(not sure if this mystery has ever been explored) Anyway, the shield contains a super metal alloy that is a synthesis of two of Marvel's go to Magical Alloys: Adamantium and Vibranium. Adamantium, if I remember correctly, is synthesized and very difficult and costly to make and as someone mention here, difficult to mold and shape, and for that, it makes it exceptionally rare. The main and only trait is that it is dubbed "Unbreakable" I believe it may even be immune to metal fatigue. Vibranium, is even more rare, because it is an extra terrestrial alloy. The only source being in Wakanda(land and empire of the king Black Panther), where a large meteor consisting of vibranium crashed landed millions of years ago. Along with that problem, Wakanda is a very traditional and Isolationist nation. They do not interact with the outside world, primarily, because they are in constant attack from rival nations because they all want the vibranium.Which means, that other then certain Wakandan scientists, no one has access to vibranium In fact, it is this access to vibranium that has allowed Wakanda to surpass all other nations in technology. . Now, The vibranium's magical properties are even more crazy. It has the ability to absorb and re-direct "EVERY" form of energy: radiation, heat, and even Kinetic energy(Actually, I kind of wish Copernicus can explore this idea of a metal that can manipulate kinetic energy) So when you combine the two, you have a shield with an alloy that will never break and can absorb and re direct energy. In fact, this is a property, that allows Cap to fling the shield and ricochet it indefinitely, because the shield does not loose forward momentum. AND... It's the reason why cap can take Thor's Hammer with the shield. What happens is that, at the impact of Thor's hammer, the shield re-directs a large portion of the force back at the assailant,in this case, Thor. Which is why you see thor in the scene right after flying back front the brunt of his own blow.(At least I'm guessing, cause it still was a night scene, and the only night scene in the trailer is when the big three are fighting.) So it breaks down like this, about 80% of Thor's blow hits him in the face, about 17 % is absorbed by the shield itself, and the rest of the force is taken by Cap's exceptional physique. I'm just guesstimating here to show how the shield is supposed to work. And being that Josh Wedhon is a huge comic book nerd, he must know this too

  • in the way properties can cross pollinate and generate totally new and stand alone revenue streams. I predict that this film, and the differing properties that make up "The Avengers" will make so much money that a new "Business Speak" term will need to be coined...The "Avenger Effect"; where multiple smaller stand alone products can be grouped and sold in various configurations and combination's without altering the base products themselves or having to market the combined product due to public familiarity with the stand alone offerings. lmao Really...Disney/Marvel knew what they were doing here...these things are going to be cash cows for years. Fuck...Downey is going to make so much money off his points he'll be able to start hitting the blow again.

  • one, if cap's shield never loses forward momentum, how does he ever catch it without it slicing his hand in half? and two, i would hope that cap doesn't get hit with as much as 3% of Thor's force, since that would be far, far more than enough to atomize him (unless Thor was really holding back). but that's a relatively minor point. obviously, somehow or other, cap does survive. in any event, very good post. the idea that the shield has a mysterious origin actually has certain appeal. it certainly enhances cap from story-telling standpoint, in that it does allow him to be able to take on far more powerful foes than he otherwise could.

  • March 1, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST

    gulducati: fact

    by Detached

    you are correct, sir.

  • March 1, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Thor Bottoms

    by Stoolsoftener

    Thor could kill everyone!

  • March 1, 2012, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Thor Bottoms 2

    by Stoolsoftener

    Thor lets us tickle his sack whilst we gag on his bulb! Geez. Get over it.

  • So I'm not sure why it's so unbelievable that it could take swing from Thor's hammer?

  • All of them are human with no super powers what so ever and all three are on a team among super powered individuals or normal humans with some super powered device or weapon. All three use some form of gadget or another. Batman is just written cool and very well cause he's a popular character but in real life Darkseid would crush him like a bug instead of the way the writer writes how Bats finds a way to outsmart Darkseid. I got no problem with Batman and I like him and I like how he's written and how he's able to play with the big boys but make no mistake he is still human and no different then the human Black Widow and Hawkeye, whom both can outsmart a super powered baddie.

  • March 1, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST

    My only question:

    by theDORK

    Ignore the 3D screenings, and just see it in IMAX? Assuming there isn't IMAX 3D...or is there? Just wanted advice. I really don't care about 3D.

  • In my expirence Imax is way more immersive and provides a real epic viewing expirence you can't ever have at home no matter how large your tv. I find 3D annoying and the glasses uncomfortable but that 6 minute intro to Dark Knight Rises infront of Mission Impossible, along with the mission impossible Imax shot scenes were by far the most amazing movie expirence I've had since... well since The Dark Knight and I'm not talking about the content of those sequence (which was awesome also) but just the actual overwelming power of that format.

  • March 1, 2012, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Conspiracy: You Are Correct

    by Media Messiah

    If you aren't in marketing, you should be, as you see the great potential that is, and will be here. This was a calculated business move by Marvel, and was set in place for long-term financial success. The plan, as with any good cross-promotion/marketing is designed to better introduce and give equal weight to lesser Marvel characters/properties. Now, even b-list and c-list characters, from the Marvel canon...are being placed in a film that makes them a-list due to the association--thus their stock is raised significantly in the marketplace and the public and media zeitgeist. Iron man and The Hulk and their pre-establish weight in the pop-culture serve to give Thor and Captain America a boost in the public consciousness, the same with Nick Fury, Hawkeye, and Blackwidow, etc.

  • March 1, 2012, 6:47 p.m. CST

    I wish we could have cameos...

    by series

    It would create such a sense of continuity if we could have Natalie Portman help get Thor back, Pepper Pots, Betty etc...Well actually no it would only make sense if the character has a good reason to be involved...portman works but the others not so much... Or maybe that'd be stupid altogether...I don't know...nevermind...

  • March 1, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Not worried about Whedon at all because...

    by jorson28

    Though I'm not a Whedon fan, it's only because I'm not too familiar with his work. All I've seen is some of the ANGEL television show and, while I think it was good, it had a sort of uber-sarcastic style that wore on me after a short while. Hopefully, Whedon suppressed the need to put much of that kind of stuff in this particular movie. As I recall, in some episodes, it seemed as if Whedon's idea of character development was limited to making his characters overly self-aware and sarcastic about everything until the very end, when something humbles them. That said, I got from the very beginning that given Marvel's "cost-efficient" approach to these films, Whedon was not only the best choice but maybe their ONLY choice for writing/directing this fil. Consider the following. Whedon was: 1. AVAILABLE - ...after numerous close calls on the Wonder Woman film and dwindling success with newer, non-Buffy television projects. 2. INEXPENSIVE - ...mostly because he'd never quite broken into feature films on a real mainstream level. 3. COULD BOTH WRITE AND DIRECT - ...which Marvel probably wanted from the start, even if someone else had already written a script, because any AVENGERS movie would arguably be more heavily-scrutinized and, with so many characters, they probably thought an "auteur" type with a large fan base when it comes to this very genre could transcend the potential problems inherent in such action-heavy ensemble pieces. 4.WAS A "GEEK," HIMSELF - ...as evidenced by the references with which Whedon was known to fill his television shows from time to time, which goes back to the auteur value because as an artist, he could bring a coherent style to the film, but as a fan of the source material, he would likely be a lot more willing and able to find a balance between HIS style and reverence to the source, unlike something such as Ang Lee's HULK. 5. COULD BE CONTROLLED/INFLUENCED - ...because even though I have no way of knowing for sure if it was necessary (and I doubt that it was), the films' producers seem to be these properties' vision keepers, per se, so they'd be motivated to make sure that one film wasn't too inconsistent with the other and that the Avengers movie(s) dovetailed well enough with what had immediately come before. In conclusion, I've been hearing the same thing as all of you in terms of concerns about this looking too much like "television." First, in my opinion, IT DOES NOT. Secondly, the producers behind this film have been making Marvel superhero movies for years now, were undoubtably aware of that concern and as I pretty much already said, probably would not have let the scale be compromised by anything that was otherwise avoidable.

  • March 1, 2012, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Natalie Portman/Gwyneth Paltrow/Liv Tyler lesbian scene!

    by Royston Lodge

    Make it so. So say we all. Excelsior!

  • March 1, 2012, 7:34 p.m. CST

    I am SO getting this on VHS!!!

    by Mistahtibbs

    Seriously, though...it's a fucking comic book movie. Christ, fanboys are so thick. My kids want to see this and will love it. I guaran-fucking-tee. And, no, I don't use this mouth when speaking with my children....mostly. mt

  • March 1, 2012, 8:17 p.m. CST

    jorson28 you're a fucking genius!

    by Queefer Sutherland

    I don't disagree with much of what you said. Marvel has been very good at getting good directors who aren't megalomaniacs. The closest to that would be Kenneth Branagh, and he hadn't had a success in a while, so I think he was probably pretty easy to control as well. Controlled or not, I'm sure Whedon will deliver on this one. It's completely up his alley.

  • March 1, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Black Widow's Gun...

    by BobWinters5

    Shot straight through Stark's suit in the comics. I'd be surprised if it is loaded with plain old bullets.

  • March 1, 2012, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Hey everyone, listen to mistahtibbs !

    by Mugato5150

    Really, listen to mistahtibbs! because he's like the adult! and all this comic book stuff is silly and he took the time to comment so LISTEN TO HIM!!!!!

  • March 1, 2012, 8:29 p.m. CST

    To clarify my above comment

    by BobWinters5

    The Iron Man suit... not a regular business suit. That wouldn't be too awful impressive.

  • March 1, 2012, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Emma Peel, the Avengers (And earthmen) need you

    by leo54304

    to bring the sexy to the team. Even with the new hairdo, Scarlett doesn't bring the femme fatale that Ms Rigg did. Emma would have gotten Banner to come with just her hotness especially in one of her updated catsuits. Fact. Same for that Catwoman wannabe in Nolans film.

  • is that this wasn't done ten years ago... or at least started ten years ago. Hell, twenty years ago. It's true, the visual effects technology wasn't quite there to do it on this scale, but even in some other form it could have been done with DC at Warner Brothers. Prediction: Lots of people kicking themselves, if not getting fired for not pushing this exact kind of patient synergy elsewhere. I think the difference here is that so far, I haven't hated any of the Marvel movies. In fact, I've liked all of them, even the Iron Man sequel, better than Spiderman or any of the X-Men movies. Nolan's Batman movies are like their own separate thing, so I don't compare them as much... they're not very comic-like imho, but the Marvel movies have been every step of the way and do seem to have a singular vision even though the directors and production teams are different. These movies have been consistently competent and entertaining to me and, I think , to most people, especially your average moviegoer, so to put all these characters in the same movie spells: $$$$$$$$$$ They've been patiently waiting through the singular character films and building and building and building and now the minting will begin. Good for them for doing what nobody else had the balls and the will and the patience to do. Looking back, it now seems like every move they made was premeditated, down to the choice of directors along the way (see jorson28's post up above), the refusal to haggle with Norton (I actually think I might like Ruffalo better), and even putting Stark front and center cause of Downey, which now ELEVATES the other characters and allows them to be front and center more, Thor and Cap especially, as they were the harder sell than Iron Man in a lot of ways because they can't be snarky and have a house in Malibu and fuck models and have lots of cool gadgets. Bravo, Marvel and bravo Disney for seeing the long-term financial gain here... enjoy the mountains of cash. And DON'T fuck it up.

  • March 1, 2012, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Assemble!

    by Iahael

    In superhero terms, this is moving things in the direction they have needed to go for a long time. Now, post-Nolan, how DC goes about their eventual Justice League development (a little late now, but what the hell) will be seen through the post-Avengers filter. Personally, as an old Marvel fan before I got into the more classical DC model, and indie/graphic novels, etc, this exactly what I thought a big Marvel Universe movie could be like. But they need to get back Spider-Man and the X-Men to really get this to rock. T.'.

  • March 1, 2012, 9:51 p.m. CST

    native gaijin, re: comparing movies

    by Ribbons

    Remember when Heroes first came out and people wouldn't stop comparing it to Lost? Those two are even less alike, except that they're both serialized TV shows and appeal to the same crowd. But pitting them against each other just came so naturally, because I hate that show and I HATE YOU. It's just what fanboys do. Many of them don't watch sports, so liking the better movie harder is their sports.

  • March 1, 2012, 10:08 p.m. CST

    A review we can all relate to...

    by JohnnyThanatos

    A coworker summed it up today: "Yo, see the new Avengers trailer? That shit is tits. Not 'post-surgical Tara Reid' tits, or even 'scarjo leaked photos' tits, but we're talking 'Kate Upton on her period when 'dem things are all bloated up and shit' tits. Yeah." to which I responded "I shall endeavor to open said video on the interweb. Let us go to the Google and look this up, shall we? Ahh, 720p on the movie's official site, let us click the link together." (plays) "My good sir, I concur. Bosoms."

  • March 1, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST

    I'm not watching the trailer but yay Avengers!

    by GimpInMyPants

    Yay, indeed.

  • March 1, 2012, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Hey DETACHED

    by Binkysguy

    Check it: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2322/2163809284_750013bdda.jpg Jus sayin...

  • March 1, 2012, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Avengers, Dark Knight, JC ....great movie year

    by iluvsyfy

    Reviews Rolling In - 4/5 average. Hopefully this will quite the trolls for a moment. http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/1265828/john_carter_review.html http://www.mattsmoviereviews.net/john-carter.html http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/review/a366491/john-carter-review.html http://www.chipandco.com/2012/02/john-carter-review/ http://www.starburstmagazine.com/reviews/movie-reviewsthe-latest-releases-reviewed/2005-movie-review-john-carter http://www.comingsoon.net/news/reviewsnews.php?id=87586 http://www.cine-vue.com/2012/03/film-review-john-carter.html

  • March 1, 2012, 11:54 p.m. CST

    @sk229

    by Media Messiah

    Yes, Warner had everything aligned for a Justice League movie...and blew it, and they had everything lined-up for Superman Vs. Batman...and then blew it, and next, they blew Wonder Woman and fired Joss Whedon? All apparently, because they feared taking the risks--and had no faith in the characters or concepts, not wishing to appear to be silly, now, if they try to follow Marvel's example of fearless execution in terms of bringing their lower tier characters to life on the big screen--then, it is they who will appear to be desperately copying Marvel's successes and strategies. Warner is a short-sighted company, one that favors short-term gain, over long-term strategies, for a far wider gain. What Marvel has pulled-off, in a very short-time, is spectacular. They have managed to introduce their characters from A to Z...to a new generation, something that will stand, and keep paying-off, for generations to come. In terms of branding characters and tie-in merchandising products, this is a bonanza of positive media and public exposure, all for the cost of one film, thanks to them wisely laying the groundwork via character cameos and story tie-ins placed throughout previous Marvel controlled films--their clever way of linking their characters, so they could use Avengers to give them a shared spotlight before consumers. This pre-positioning strategy, has now allowed Thor, Nick Fury, Hawkeye, Blackwidow and other characters to become household names, while...reintroducing Captain America to a whole new generation, and will serve to re-launch The Hulk. This is a masterpiece of smart marketing.

  • March 2, 2012, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Evans should have juiced back up for this one

    by JackieJokeman

    Looks much smaller than in Captain America. Otherwise very good trailer.

  • March 2, 2012, 12:44 a.m. CST

    The thing i liked the most about it. . .

    by gregg benac

    was they just show them being beaten or beaten down. I dont want to see any more now. It was almost depressing to see my heros in danger, but then, in the movie we can get that"LOOK! Up in the sky!" moment ( i know thats Superman, but you know what i mean) Really looking forward to this. p.s. i wonder who will get to shout"AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!"

  • March 2, 2012, 1:01 a.m. CST

    That trailer...

    by leroyspoboys

    ...kicks six different kinds of ass. If Whedon pulls this off, he'll have shaken the Firefly cancellation curse forever.

  • March 2, 2012, 1:14 a.m. CST

    hawkeye dies maybe?

    by smashphillips

  • March 2, 2012, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Cap Shield

    by nathan ash

    Hi all, newbie brit here. In respect of Cap's shield, isnt it made of adimantium the same as whats attached to Wolverine's skeleton?

  • March 2, 2012, 1:43 a.m. CST

    sorry, nightarrows, but...

    by grendel824

    ... you're absolutely wrong about the arguments you made about the shield, etc. What follows is ridiculous nerdery about comics and stuff. Be warned! First of all, the shield does indeed have "magical" properties. It is the only extant "true adamantium" in the Marvel universe. Something "mystical" apparently happened to it when Dr. Myron Maclaine wasn't paying attention while working on the new alloy. Aside from the shield, they've only ever been able to make "secondary admantium" such as Wolverine's skeleton. Thor could never so much as dent Cap's shield with his uru hammer (though the shield has been "destroyed" by beyond god-like powers before, and was recently "re-forged" to include uru in its makeup, making it even more indestructble than before. Effectively, it can only be damaged for storyelling purposes. This is way beyond what would make sense for physics, but you're already throwing around physics-defying Norse gods with magical hammers that bend reality, so you can't really complain about that. The shield is inconsistent with how much kinetic energy it absorbs/negates/deflects, but it has "easily" deflected Thor's hammer, Hulk's punches, etc. The first I recall ever seeing it break was when a being who was literally the sum of all power of an entire universe (effectively a "god" on a much higher power level than guys like Thor and Odin and such, or even "Eternity" and "Death" and "Galactus" in the Marvel universe - no really, this Beyonder guy destroyed Death itself once) had his power directed at it, and even that just broke into several pieces rather than atmomize it. It can effectively only be damaged by narrative fiat, in short. If you absolutely need in-universe physics explanations, it probably shunts all to almost all energy, kinetic and otherwise, directed at it into another universe. Somehow, though, it doesnt' stop Cap from smacking people with it and hurting them. Go figure - maybe it works on intent. Or again, you know, story needs. You're right in that Thor is way above Cap in an actual fight though. But Thor against Hulk can often go either way, esepcially if Thor doesn't try anything clever and it's just a slugfest. Iron Man can get close even without armors specially designed to fight one of them, but he usually comes in third. Cap CAN and has lifted and used Mjlonir, though. Jesus Christ, why can I cite this kind of crap from memory yet still can't recall the entire periodic table even though I've had to memorize it at least three times in school? I'm not even autistic or anything and fully know this is just comic book fantasy fun... Heaven help us all...

  • March 2, 2012, 3:40 a.m. CST

    lawyerguy...

    by grendel824

    Pretty much, yes. I think Fox still has the rights to use the term "Adamantium" though (even though Cap's shield is actually the only "true adamantium" and Wolverine's skeleton is laced with not-as-indestructible "secondary admantium"), so that's probably why they call it "vibranium." In the Marvel U., admantium is a titanium and vibranium alloy (and now has Uru in it as well, along with some unidentified x-factor that makes it unique).

  • March 2, 2012, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Best part is HULK

    by tailhook

    After 20 years of trying, they finally nailed the F/X. He finally *LOOKS* right. There has always been something just.. off. That said, I kind of dig how most of the action takes place vertically and up in the air. I did like the reuse of Joss Whedon's conceit from Serenity with a small vehicle bringing something big in behind it.

  • March 2, 2012, 5:41 a.m. CST

    grendel824 is a virgin.haha.

    by KilliK

    just messing with you buddy.keep up the good work.

  • the first time his involvement in the project was announced.

  • March 2, 2012, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Scarlett Johnnson's Super Power

    by Itchy

    is to make my penile regions swell up like the Hulk instantly. My oh my she looks good in black leather.

  • March 2, 2012, 6:15 a.m. CST

    It isn't Hawkeye, its LOKI/HAWKEYE!

    by zinc_chameleon

    Take the time to learn how to use a video editor, like OpenShot, and the trick becomes clear. Loki can mimic an ordinary mortal. He likes to torment Black Widow--note how he ogles her in the first trailer--and this time, she confides in Hawkeye, only to find out it's really Loki. That's why she kicks him out the window. For a group of smart comic book guys, you've got short memories. Loki has already infiltrated into the heart of SHIELD before this film even starts.

  • The juice is magic. It allows her to channel of the power cosmic.

  • March 2, 2012, 6:53 a.m. CST

    That sounded like Portuguese

    by UltraTron

  • March 2, 2012, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Not working - again

    by The StarWolf

    Why can't these yoyos settle on ONE format and STICK WITH IT???

  • March 2, 2012, 7:48 a.m. CST

    grendel824

    by NightArrows

    I understand the "magic" behind the shield, but I still find it a little silly that it can stop "anything". Why not just give the shield to Thor and he would be absolutely UNSTOPPABLE. Like the Hulk, things need LIMITS. When they write the Hulk with a ceiling to his strength, it's a believable and interesting character. All this bullshit about him being the most unstoppable thing ever because he can get angry? Fuck that noise. It's BORING, and it panders to the slavering fanboys who like loud noises. As for Thor not denting Cap's shield? When he possessed the Odin Force, and was pissed off, he dented Cap's shield. And regarding Iron Man "coming close"? If Thor wanted to, Tony would be nothing but a greasy little spec on the floor. He is nothing compared to Thor, hulk-busting armour or not. This is a good example of Thor not even breaking a sweat kicking the shit out of Tony after the whole Clor incident. It highlights the difference between a God and a Tin Man: http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2631834.html

  • March 2, 2012, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Stupid trailer, stupid film.

    by Johan

    I mean... oh shit.. it´s crap. I dont like the CGI and I cant beleive some of you are crying (or something like that) when a badly rendered green thing does something to another someone in bad CGI. The prequels looks better. There is at least one person who can make CGI look somewhat godd and that´s Mr Bay.

  • March 2, 2012, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Nightarrows

    by Brian888

    Cap's shield isn't perfectly indestructible. As you noted, beings with Skyfather-level power or greater can destroy it. Molecule Man, who can manipulate matter at a subatomic level, has been able to destroy and recreate the shield (after commenting that the atomic make-up of the shield is very odd). The Silver Surfer may even be able to destroy it, although I'm not sure on that one. Reality-warpers like Mad Jim Jaspers should be able to do it. Additionally, I'd have to imagine that it's vulnerable to magical manipulation, so that if Dr. Strange wanted to turn it into a piece of cheese, he could. If you're just talking pure kinetic force, however, it takes a LOT of that to break the shield. More than a non-Skyfather-level Thor has been able to muster, and probably more than even the Hulk can muster, barring very weird and specific circumstances.

  • because it's spot-on. Bay? Really? I'm assuming you're referring to Transformers which looks fucking horrendous. Transformers are supposed to "transform" in a logical way, not simply morph. And objects, even CG objects are supposed to have weight to them. Humans can't be tossed around like rag dolls without breaking bones, even Shia LeBeof and...why am I bothering.

  • March 2, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST

    pretorian24 gets the award...

    by NightArrows

    For being able to type that fucking nonsense out while at the same time having both of Bay's balls in his mouth and three fingers in his asshole. Transformers indeed. Fucking rubbish.

  • March 2, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST

    And it

    by NightArrows

  • March 2, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST

    brian888

    by NightArrows

    Yeah, I meant the pure kinetic forces, not the crazy manipulation and universal powers some possess in the Marvel U. Piece of cheese! lol

  • March 2, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Series

    by Hipshot

    Pepper Potts appears in "Avengers."

  • March 2, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST

    @detached & fuckinamateurman

    by Jose Armenta

    one, if cap's shield never loses forward momentum, how does he ever catch it without it slicing his hand in half? Why doesn't a jedi cut off his limbs when he's twirling around like an idiot? Why doesn't Indiana Jones poke his eye out with the tip of the whip? Excellent eye/hand coordination,master of spacial awareness, and Practice.Practice.Practice. Also, I said never loses forward momentum, I didn't say exponential increase in momentum(althought there have cases when this happens) Yeah, like I said its a MAGICAL item, and I just toss it up to Cap being a master wielder of said magical item, a weapon that only he knows how to use effectively. boodoffstager- you just blew my mind. You're welcome. It's a free sample, The next will cost you:)

  • March 2, 2012, 10:55 a.m. CST

    What about Natalie Portman

    by Mugato5150

    I assume it's a foregone conclusion that Natalie isn't in the Avengers but doesn't Thor even ask about her. Or realistically say, "Although I pine for the comely lass that is Natalie, where is her large boobed companion?"

  • March 2, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Hawkeye needs a boxing glove arrow.

    by Royston Lodge

    So say we all.

  • March 2, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Is Maria Hill simply a pencil pusher in this movie?

    by Royston Lodge

    If Maria Hill's character has been reduced to what is seen in the trailer, that's really a shame. Hill and Fury should NOT get along.

  • March 2, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Happy Fudgepack Friday!

    by Robert Evans

    Today's subjects are: MARY-KATE and ASHLEY OLSEN! Do they let anyone in their skinny mocha holes? And are they a package deal? Let it rip!

  • March 2, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Oh wow Thor beat up Tony.give me a pencil and

    by KilliK

    i will have you a story in 5m where Tony beats up Thor.you do know that comics are not real and everything that happens in them,happens based on what a corporation wants to sell to their consumers-fanboys in each occasion,right?

  • March 2, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Fuck Nolan.

    by Volllllume3

    And fuck his CSI Gotham City movies.

  • March 2, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST

    I must needs to turn in my geek credentials

    by Alan Boxberger

    This just looks, I don't know, meh.

  • March 2, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    The difference between Transformers and Avengers is that

    by Mateo

    I can tell what's going on in The Avengers.

  • March 2, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    killik

    by NightArrows

    Fuck off. Seriously. If you don't feel like joining the discussion, then you can take your little "it's all just the corporation selling you taco bell cups" bullshit and cram it up your ass. I work in advertising, I knew more about the business and what goes on in it than you do about poor punctuation and pulling your peter, so cram it. There are things that have been established with each character, and what each character can and can't do. Aside from minor bending of those rules for creative purposes (or sloppy writing), the "corporation" usually adheres to what they create. Usually. So again, if you don't feel like joining in on the geek talk, fuck off and go spout more of your helmet wearing nonsense elsewhere.

  • March 2, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Oh and volllllume3

    by NightArrows

    Get back under the bridge you fucking douche-troll.

  • March 2, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    looks puny and low cost.

    by iampain

    ffs the trailers for battle LA had more sense of threat and spectacle than this thing does. even the trailer for battleship looks grander in scale. and that dialog- coulson: "director fury- i think its time!" srsly? gag me with a shiny spoon, joss. this thing really looks like it was made for the under 12 crowd.

  • March 2, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    binkysguy...

    by Detached

    good image- thanks. that's one of those that, as i've said, was "after my time" when the history/info about cap's shield was developed more. i vaguely (i think) remember reading about it's adamantium, but the other properties i don't think i was aware of. thanks to you & others for the good stuff on this.

  • March 2, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    by grendel824...

    by Detached

    interesting stuff. to me, that kinda makes cap's shield ridiculous (really? the only true adamantium **anywhere** - did the folks at marvel realize how big the universe is before they came up with that?). yes, i know it's comics, but lee/kirby invariably tried to make things at least fairly grounded. the problem is, when you go down these routes, you always to Make Things Bigger with More And More At Stake. and inevitably it gets ridiculous. thanks, though.

  • March 2, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST

    When he says "Guys, I'm bringing the party to you"...

    by rev_skarekroe

    ...who is he talking to? Nobody else is wearing any communications equipment.

  • March 2, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    by conspiracy

    I'm lonely Mary-Kay...I just fucking hate it", sighed Ashley Olsen as she stared out the glass wall of the twins shared Central Park West Penthouse. "You think you're alone?" replied Mary, "...do you know how tired I am of picking up the fucking tabloids and reading 'Skeletal Olsen Twins can't find love', or how sick I am of the whole fucking fashion business...with nothing but faux lesbians who run when I put my hand on their legs, or guys so gay the only thing they see in me is that I'm too small to wear the strap on?" Ashley smirked, "lets face it...we've been fucked by fame when Kim Kardashian gets a decent ass fucking and a Golden Shower and we can't even get some chick to let us lick their asshole..." Mary-Kays eyes widened at her sisters lament and laughed, "shit...I thought I was the only kinky fuck in the family!

  • March 2, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    boodoffstager...

    by Detached

    well, forward momentum alone should have an enormous impact on cap when he tries to catch the thing. practice can only go so far. jmo.

  • March 2, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Thos has a thing for smokin hot Jewesses...

    by conspiracy

    ...but I"m thinking if the God of Thunder saw Kat in her natural state...Portman would be relegated to bringing mutton legs and Pre-Kat Coitus Warm-ups (fluffing).

  • March 2, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    rev_skarekroe: Stark(tm) brand implanted radios.

    by Royston Lodge

    Standard issue S.H.I.E.L.D. equipment, probably.

  • March 2, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Thos=Thor....fucking antiquated board....

    by conspiracy

  • March 2, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    nightarrows...

    by Detached

    Pretty much agree with everything you said. I have done my share of marketing work in my time, and as I said in an earlier post, you have to stick to the source material to make a comic book movie work. Granted, in a case like this, some of the source material is at variance with itself at times, but the main themes and points are there. Thor vs Iron Man? Puh-leeze. I still have a problem with the whole "Cap's shield can stand up to Thor's hammer" but if that's the way Marvel wrote, well (to coin a phrase), so be it. But even as powerful as Thor (via Marvel) is, he too has to have certain limits (even though his ceiling is incredibly high). Otherwise, what's the point?

  • March 2, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Batman isn't a superhero...

    by Klaatu

    ...he's Rich wanker

  • March 2, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Holy Crap

    by Bent

    This totally makes up for Hawkeye's lack of a costume! That's how a trailer is done!

  • March 2, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    dahveed1972 ...Hence the Term "Jewesses"..and the "But" Qualifier..

    by conspiracy

    this shows that Thor Loves Jew broads...BUT would definitely pick Kat over Nat.

  • March 2, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    detached

    by NightArrows

    I agree, even Thor has to have limits, everyone should. The problem is, those limits become stretched when either the writers work themselves into a corner, or simply don't care. Things get nuts, and then we get a reboot/re-do/death-rebirth, etc. etc. Either way, a limitless (ie:HULK) character is just boring. The 'Marketers' won't sell more merchandise by making A win over B, they will sell more merchandise through exposure, presentation and in some instances, exclusivity...or showing off Scarlett's cans (that just sells more kleenex...).

  • March 2, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST

    guess Iron Man isn't a superhero either then

    by al

    cos he's Rich wanker, see?

  • March 2, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST

    @Alien Resurrection by media messiah

    by thedoctor28

    At least someone knows what they are talking about! I think its funny when I read all the Whedon fucked up AR. What a bunch of crying ASSHOLES hahahaha. Get a girlfriend, get out of your moms basement! I am what I eat, hahahahaha i used to say that shit to my friends when i was like in 3rd grade!!! Fucking trolls.....Put your VHS porn back in boys, and wash those dirty socks lol......

  • March 2, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST

    The Contessa > Maria Hill

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

  • March 2, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST

    The Hulk

    by Brian888

    The Hulk isn't a limitless, omnipotent character; his limits are simply defined a bit differently than other superheroes. It's usually pointless to try to fight him physically, true (although there are characters who can do it, like Thor, Abomination, Juggernaut, and other top-tier heavy hitters). Where the Hulk, and Banner, struggle is in the realm of emotions and their reactions to those emotions. The Hulk just wants to be left alone, but the world keeps fucking with him. How can he deal with that, without becoming the monster that everyone already thinks he is? He's sort of the ultimate bull in the china shop; is it possible for him to be accepted in a world that he sort of casually destroys just be being there? Is that even possible until the Hulk and Banner accept each other? Banner in some ways is even more dangerous, and carries a greater burden. The Hulk, the embodiment of his repressed anger, is the least powerful of the gamma creatues he could unleash. It's been shown that if Banner lost control of his repressed feelings of guilt, for example, the resulting gamma creature would be orders of magnitude worse than the Hulk.

  • March 2, 2012, 4:08 p.m. CST

    So far..the only thing I want to see more than this is Prometheus.

    by conspiracy

    This...might be one of the finest years for Fun Loving Films in a decade. Just so much coming...I'll need a second job to pay for tickets.

  • March 2, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST

    @pretorian24 ARE YOU SOME KIND OF FUCKING IDIOT OR WHAT?!

    by AllThosePowers

  • March 2, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST

    @nightarrows so what are you trying to say?

    by KilliK

    that comics are real? WOW.

  • March 2, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST

    re: geek talk

    by Ribbons

    I'm not hating on the geek talk, just to clarify. I think it's fun and all, and trying to figure out ways to justify some weird power or have an undermatched superhero beat some other superhero is a good way to kill time. However I do think you have to be able to take a step back and laugh at it all from time to time. Without being as crass about it as killik, the reason that Captain America can catch his shield without slicing his hand off is the same reason that all of Hulk's pants turn purple: because that's what his character does, so he has to. Don't try to analyze the minutest details of the character, or you'll end up with midichlorians.

  • March 2, 2012, 4:47 p.m. CST

    The Thor-love here is a little ridiculous

    by Binkysguy

    I like Thor, fellas, but you dudes act like nothing could stop him EVER. He is really powerful and all that but jeez! If his hammer hit hard enough to dent Cap's shield then it would just blast through and exit out of every single thing it came into contact with. The Absorbing Man, the Wrecking Crew, Count Nefaria...they would all be dead from the giant Mjolnir-sized holes in their torsos. Also factor into your thinking that movie Thor isn't being portrayed as the uber-powerhouse that comic Thor is...so an IM-Thor fight may be competitive in the film. Regarding Cap's shield...I've been reading a lot of TBer comments about how it absorbs/deflects energy of all types. Ok, cool. Bullets hit the shield and instead of ricocheting off they fall straight to the ground because the shield absorbed their kinetic or ballistic energy, right? Ok...then how on earth can that same shield clang against people and make them fly through the air? How can it bounce off of walls? Would it not absorb and dampen the energy of those impacts as well? (Not trolling, just curious to see how that piece of physics is reckoned with)

  • so when Tony beat Thor with his Mjölnir-enhanced armor a few years ago,that didnt happen huh? or how about Red Hulk? he did kick Thor's ass.So i guess RH is stronger than Thor.or maybe Thor had a bad day? Established things my ass.it's all about selling a product and what better way than having the super-heroes kicking each other's ass while the fanboys are drooling about who is stronger and who is gonna win? Wake up when they make the Act of Registration 3 sequel (because there was already an AOR arc with the X-Men in the 90s),maybe Tony will win the rematch with Thor.

  • MAGIC.

  • March 2, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST

    ribbons...Dead Right about the Midichlorian shit...

    by conspiracy

    Just watch the film, have fun, and don't over think something that doesn't fucking exist folks...too many answers spoil the joy.

  • March 2, 2012, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Cap's shield and Thor "holding back"

    by u.k. star

    The issue of what Captain America's shield is made of is just one of those problems you get when dealing with so many decades of story telling, different writers and wanting to use materials like Adamantium again. It's not so much that his shield is the only true Adamantium, as that, essentially, they changed what Adamantium was at a future date. His shield was originally an alloy made of Vibranium (which is an alien metal with very odd properties) and steel. (Some source mistakenly put it as a Vibranium and Adamantium). An unknown event occurred alloying the 2 metals to form a new alloy and that was initially called Adamantium. It has never been repeated and when a new alloy was created, like the one that was put into Wolverine that was then called Adamantium. The explanations used in X2 and Origins Wolverine are pretty much the same as in the comics. When it is liquid you can manipulate it (although even then only for a very limited time) but either once it has cooled, or after a number of seconds, that's it and it has become "virtually" indestructible. As for Thor's power; in his own movie we saw him tear things up when needs be and hold back either for fun (when he first fights Frost Giants he kinda lets them get some hits in and just punches them "softly". But when he gets into it he smashes them to pieces. He doesn't mess about with the giant beast, as lives are in danger, and just flies through its head. When he's fighting the S.H.I.E.L.D agents, even if he is just mortal, he holds back and doesn't harm them as he could and chooses not to use any of their weapons. He also holds back when fighting Loki, for all Loki's own strengths he is no physical match for Thor, but Thor doesn't want to "hurt" him and definitely holds back until he has no choice but to smack Loki Down. Whereas with the destroyer he again gets straight to business. There's no reason for Thor to go after either Captain America or Iron Man at full force, certainly not until he knows how strong they are. My guess is that those woods are somewhere between the city, in Germany, where Loki is doubtless "captured" (cons S.H.I.E.L.D, Cap and Iron Mn into thinking he's been captured more like) and his transport to the Helicarrier. Thor wants to deal with Loki himself, get him back to Asgard and as such has a minor difference of opinion with the other 2 who want Loki just where e is AND may have been ordered to bring Thor in so Fury can offer him a spot on The Avengers. either scenario doesn't give us a Thor who really wants to harm the other guys and they could be fighting him full force, whilst he is having a gentle sparing match, doing his best not to fry them or squash them like bugs? Either way I'm looking forward to finding out. Great trailer and are people really still complaining about unfinished effects in 2012. We know they still render these things until the last minute these days surely? nightarrows & Detached have made interesting reading, as have many here. One last thing about the shield...of course it just can't make sense. there are things that it can do, that automatically mean it couldn't do some of the other things it can do...but it really is one of these things that you let slide. Hey Bumbles can't fly right? If you look at them scientifically, but they do fly...

  • March 2, 2012, 5:25 p.m. CST

    killik

    by u.k. star

    Just about the Red Hulk VS Thor thing. Thor was having a bad day. He totally didn't think the fight through, just took on Red Hulk as if he was the dumb green Hulk and got "sucker punched" he never had time to recover from that, but then he kicked Red Hulk's ass. Anything can happen on th right / wrong day right? Just on that Red Hulk comment there, that's all.

  • March 2, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Bumbles = Bumble Bees - sorry

    by u.k. star

  • March 2, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST

    binkysguy re "Thor-love"

    by Detached

    As I recall, many years back, Marvel published a compendium or index or something or other in which they rated their heroes on a numerical scale. Thor was first at 100, and the rest followed after that. If you read the early Marvels (60s through mid-70s), they made pretty clear that Thor was their most powerful character. I could list various examples (many of them), but that's just the way it was. For that matter, I disagree that Thor as portrayed in the movie was not as powerful as in the comics. Heck, he beat the Destroyer in like 90 seconds, which is ridiculous. In the "books," he was hanging on by his fingernails against the D (although maybe they just downgraded D's strength in the film, which IMHO would also be a mistake- a Thor vs Destroyer fight should have been knock down - drag out, even with Thor at full strength). Regardless, the basic point of many TBers here has just been to stay as true to the comics as is possible, given the constraints of movies (and I can be somewhat flexible on that point). And as I mentioned, the comics (not to mention Stan Lee) have made clear Thor was top dog. So it's a discussion worth having. Frankly, with a few obvious exceptions, this has been the most civil and rational TB I can remember on AICN, and I've been here since 1996 or 7.

  • March 2, 2012, 5:36 p.m. CST

    u.k. star...

    by Detached

    good points on Thor holding back. I can accept something along those lines...

  • March 2, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST

    re Red Hulk, etc

    by Detached

    quite honestly- I couldn't care less. as has been pointed out, when you have decades of writers, etc, you get some incredibly silly, and frankly just awful, stuff.

  • March 2, 2012, 6:16 p.m. CST

    All valid points, y'all

    by Binkysguy

    I admit to a little bitterness towards Thor. My favorite Marvel character is a permanent C-lister who is always mentioned in the same conversation as Thor but has never truly been a badass (Wonder Man). I will say this: I think Wonder Man has suffered from having so many different writers change his power levels and personality.

  • March 2, 2012, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Civil & rational talkback...

    by u.k. star

    Detached...I don't post to often but I too have been here since the 90s and there hasn't been a talkback, a major one, this "sensible" for a very, very, very long time. I too recall Thor being the ost all around Powerful of the heroes. Even more so than Silver Surfer I believe. I know Hulk can get stronger, he certainly doesn't start out that way, but the hammer just gives him an edge over all of the others. Including Wonder man binkysguy ; I remember they had to square off in one of those Avengers / Avengers Est Coast double annual things. Wonder man was certain he'd win, but when it got down to it Thor just called the lightening and Mjolnir won the day. Wonderman didn't think it was fair, which I thought was funny at the time. I like him too and he's a prime candidate for future Avengers movies where the other Marvel heroes can come in and just one or two of the "big guns" can keep audience familiarity. I agree they messed around with his personality and powers far too often.

  • March 2, 2012, 7 p.m. CST

    THIS is what's bringing people to tears?

    by Jay

    It looks quite fun, don't get me wrong. I'm not bashing the trailer/film. It's just with all the high and mighty snobbish views that are constantly spewed around here, it's a little amusing that this is what rips away the curtain to reveal what you really are - Just a bunch of young geeks looking for a father figure to idolize.

  • March 2, 2012, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Hipshot...skarekroe

    by series

    Thanks ...didn't know she was in it....thats cool skarekroe...good call...Who the hell is he talking too...lol Must be a snippet from another seen or just for the trailer.

  • March 2, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST

    and the winner of douchiest comment of the day goes to...

    by dahveed1972

  • March 2, 2012, 7:52 p.m. CST

    I thought the Hulk could stand up to Thor?

    by tradeskilz

    Isn't the Hulk pretty much indestructible and will just grow more powerful the angrier he gets? Couple of hits from Mjölnir and the Hulk would be unstoppable.

  • March 2, 2012, 8:34 p.m. CST

    A couple of hits from Mjolnir....

    by series

    ....and the hulk would be so enraged he'd fuck everybody up......

  • March 2, 2012, 9:34 p.m. CST

    =Thor was having a bad day.=

    by KilliK

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.What? Sif had a period or somethine?

  • March 2, 2012, 9:40 p.m. CST

    And i love it in World War Hulk,how Hulk defeated Sentry

    by KilliK

    the most powerful super-hero on Earth with the power of one million suns but then Tony defeats Hulk with a bunch of satelites throwing a laser.WOW.talk about consistency.

  • March 2, 2012, 10:02 p.m. CST

    meh

    by P

    looks stupid. Justice Leg would be IMO

  • March 2, 2012, 10:48 p.m. CST

    My bad conspiracy. sloppy reading on my part

    by dahveed1972

  • March 2, 2012, 11:25 p.m. CST

    by Relugus

    STARK: "Hey, I'm not joining your Super Secret Boy Band, Fury...so, you know, forget it". FURY: "Agent Romanov, turn round and bend over..." STARK: "On the other hand, I'm quite keen on...some...bands." FURY: "Agent Romanov, tell him what the perks are of joining the Avengers Initiative..." ROMANOV: "You get to be part of a team of heroes, you get paid loads of money, SHIELD will also help you with any problems at Stark Industries, such as Phoenix Wright's lawsuit..." STARK: "Hmm, sounds like work..." ROMANOV: "You get to fuck this ass of mine 5 times a week. You will own my Ass, Mr. Stark. I have orders from Fury to service you, Banner, Thor, and Cap." STARK: "That sounds...excellent! What about the arrow guy? Seems he's left out." ROMANOV: "Mr. Stark, there are some people even I don't spread my legs for."

  • March 2, 2012, 11:25 p.m. CST

    At SHIELD HQ...

    by Relugus

    TARK: "Hey, I'm not joining your Super Secret Boy Band, Fury...so, you know, forget it". FURY: "Agent Romanov, turn round and bend over..." STARK: "On the other hand, I'm quite keen on...some...bands." FURY: "Agent Romanov, tell him what the perks are of joining the Avengers Initiative..." ROMANOV: "You get to be part of a team of heroes, you get paid loads of money, SHIELD will also help you with any problems at Stark Industries, such as Phoenix Wright's lawsuit..." STARK: "Hmm, sounds like work..." ROMANOV: "You get to fuck this ass of mine 5 times a week. You will own my Ass, Mr. Stark. I have orders from Fury to service you, Banner, Thor, and Cap." STARK: "That sounds...excellent! What about the arrow guy? Seems he's left out." ROMANOV: "Mr. Stark, there are some people even I don't spread my legs for." Reply to Talkback

  • March 2, 2012, 11:29 p.m. CST

    @binkysguy

    by Jose Armenta

    First off, I am very much aware that this is fiction. Which is sort of my point, with fiction it just takes a little imagination and logic to come up with a plausible scenario to make a story believable. Fuck realistic, were talking about a god, a mecha, and a giant green monster, asking for realism is asking for too much. It just needs to be believable. As for your question binkysguy The shield also deflects/disperses energy. It's why the shield has constant forward momentum, each time it impacts an object, like a wall, or a henchman's chin, the force of the impact, the kinetic energy, is deflected back at the target. The shield pushes off the target using the deflected kinetic energy and moves on to the next target at almost the same force.. NO. Wait. Even better, at some point the shield has an absorption limit. When it cant absorb any more energy, it deflects all of the energy after that. Whcih would mean that Thor got the full brunt of his hammer rigth back at him. Socre one more point for my over active imagination. i should be high for this:)

  • March 2, 2012, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Superhero Teamup plus Joss Whedon solo equals Suckage.

    by Ringwearer9

    I'm sorry if this offends you geekier comic book people, but my experience reading comics tells me that solo superhero stories were always worth more of my time than team-ups, with the exception of the deliberately individually-underpowered X-Men, who were designed as a team concept early on. But crossover issues, or Superhero Team comics composed of overpowered heroes from their own solo titles always have sucked. There is no time to adequately develop or explore each individual, making each character basically a cameo. Who is the protagonist, Nick Fury? The solution might be to try and underpower the characters in some way ... and it seems from the trailers that Whedon's solution is to make them all moping loners, and then squabbling high-schoolers, which prevents their powers from being used until the final climactic battle. This means that what you are going to the movie to see ... all your favorite superheroes in action, will in fact be a movie about all your favorite superheroes (and some you don't care for) not in fact being superheroes at all for the bulk of the film's running time, so that massive overpower of their combined might won't bore you until it's unleashed at the end. Which means there's going to be maybe 20 minutes at most of kickass comic booky goodness at the end of a long, depressing, boring mope-fest. I've watched the trailer a few times, and although i've now tuned out the mopey, depressing, superheroes-feeling-sorry-for-themselves dialogue, and now appreciate the cool sfx, that dialogue is still going to be there. And remember who wrote that dialogue, the confessed bi-polar Joss Whedon, who has made a career out of doing horrible things to his characters just so he can pull them out of the fire to kick ass. That formula worked in 45 minute TV shows, because in 45 minutes you really can't descend too far up your depressed rectum, but when Buffy and Angel, in their later seasons, developed long painful arcs of humorless misery involving demonic raping and impregnation and recrimination and guilt and demonic little sisters and sons whining about how Buffy/Angel didn't love them enough, it was unbearable. If Firefly hadn't been cancelled, I guarantee that's where it was headed, and Dollhouse was an execrable piece of misogynistic crap that never went anywhere. (don't get me going on what Whedon did to Charisma Carpenter's character on Angel ... how many times was she demonically impregnated?). Admittedly, this is NOT Joss Whedon flying solo, but with a lot of hands on his leash to prevent his miserable nihilism from ruining the fun of Superheroes utterly for the audience, but it's still Joss Whedon, and he's going to try, because that's the kind of depressing, soul killing asswipe that he is. I trulyl hope Pepper Potts is NOT in the movie, because I like the character (at least as played by Gwynneth Paltrow) and I know Whedon's penchant for casting adorable actresses and then killing them off to get attention and embroil his audience in his own depressing "I love you mommy, but if you don't love me then die" issues. Basically, superhero teamups suck, and Joss Whedon sucks, and it will be a miracle if this doesn't suck. The eye candy looks nice, but it's probably all in the last 15 too 20 at most. Temper your expectations, and you will probably have fun when you rent it from Redbox in a few months after theatrical release.

  • March 3, 2012, 12:09 a.m. CST

    My 2¢ - for what it's worth

    by I Max U Mini

    As someone who started reading comics in the "VERY" early '60s, I can assure you that the raw emotion of seeing Hulk catch Iron Man in that manner is something several of us thought we would never see outside the comic or 'toon world we have been exposed to in the past and present. As for Black Widow and Hawkeye. Anyone who has studied Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" knows the importance of stealth, reconnaissance and intelligence. Black Widow is a silent, but deadly assassin, well versed in munitions (for some of you, that's things that go bang-bang or boom). Knives, arrows, garrotes, and broken necks administered quietly are just as important as a juggernaut of muscles, especially against an unknown enemy. Yes, I'm over 15 - I'm 57 now and I recently became reacquainted with the comic world thanks to my 10 year old son. Nostalgia is a good thing and realizing our childhood wish of seeing The Avengers brought to the big screen is enough to awaken my inner child in a giddy sort of way I haven't felt since I used to play in the backyard with friends, wearing a black towel and a Lone Ranger mask. Many of you can sit back and chide us about "childish" behavior, but I feel lucky I'm still able to channel that feeling and I feel sorry for the dead souls who can't fathom a touch of whimsy in their lives.

  • March 3, 2012, 12:49 a.m. CST

    i_max_u_mini

    by antonphd

    amen

  • March 3, 2012, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Yick. But less yick than BATMAN - No SUCRETS for Gotham

    by Sean

    They need someone who doesn't watch NIKE commercials doing the editing. Love the lip biting dude running away (going for my jog, listening to my trance...). And having more than Sega Genesis colours onscreen in the post (so it doesn't look like I made it with shareware) would be OK too. I have been waiting for an Avengers movie since I was 7. I want his movie to kill the Dork Knight. Please don't F it up.

  • March 3, 2012, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Looks average

    by Finn

    I mean, I'm sure it'll be entertaining, but there's a lot more I'm looking forward to more. This film doesn't look to be as groundbreaking as it was hyped to be. Had all of the characters had successful franchises I think it would have given it more weight. With the only franchise being iron man, it's kind of like watching a trailer for "iron man 3, oh and some other badass superheoes". Which isn't bad, but this film just looks average to me. The set pieces are familiar and it looks templated and budgeted. Hopefully it'll be fun.

  • March 3, 2012, 1:20 a.m. CST

    WHO BETS that Hawkeye will help win the final battle

    by KilliK

    by destroying with his arrows a machine which controls the army/forcefield/Loki's enhanced power? you gotta give somethign to the little guy to do.

  • March 3, 2012, 2:07 a.m. CST

    Superman Lois Lane Images are hitting the Internet, yet...

    by bizzarioisluho

    nothing on AICN?

  • March 3, 2012, 2:39 a.m. CST

    THEY TURNED LOIS INTO A REDHEAD? WHAT THE FUCK?

    by KilliK

    first they change supes costume. then they replace Williams' iconic theme. now they turn the raven-haired Lois into a ginger,Mary-Jane copycat. WHAT THE FUCK SNYDER?

  • March 3, 2012, 10:37 a.m. CST

    This is the movie I've dreamed of seeing since I was a little kid.

    by ratpack223

    When was that? 2 years ago? Fuck that Ultimate Avengers crap!!!

  • March 3, 2012, 10:41 a.m. CST

    BTW Cap's outfit looks like cheap TV shit!

    by ratpack223

  • March 3, 2012, 11:31 a.m. CST

    i cant belive they whent with the original cap outfit but not hawkeye!!

    by Chadowmari16

    shame on you marvel.

  • March 3, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    iTunes Download Record

    by Klaatu

    Suck it Dork Knight

  • March 3, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    @binkysguy re Wonder Man

    by Detached

    I never had the impression that WM was in a league with Thor, but I can your point that he (like some other comic characters) suffered from multiple writers over time. It's better to establish (even if over time) & stick with given powers and limits, and with him, it appears that wasn't done.

  • March 3, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST

    @u.k. star

    by Detached

    Definitely, too many talkback just degenerate into #*(&%!!?# crap, often without much substance behind them. This one is better, thankfully. I didn't read that Thor v Wonder Man battle (that was after my time), but it's interesting you refer to the hammer & lightning stuff. I've never forgotten Thor 156- it was the *only* time I ever saw him really cut loose with his power - with storms, lightning, & everything. It was an incredible display of power and it struck me at the time that no other Marvel character could stand up to that.

  • March 3, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    @u.k star re Thor/Silver Surfer

    by Detached

    Forgot to mention - if you ever read Silver Surfer #4 (where Loki brought SS to Asgard), you may remember the Surfer thinking to himself Thor's hammer was stronger than his own cosmic power.

  • March 3, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    @tradeskilz re Thor/Hulk

    by Detached

    That question has been debated a lot through the years... but if you read the original Marvels, you could tell Thor was the top dog. I could list examples, but Stan Lee himself said so in an interview with the Washington Post several years ago.

  • March 3, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    post movie scene

    by JoeKeppel

    anyone have any thoughts on if there will be, and WHAT the post movie scene might show us?

  • March 3, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Avengers 150 mins long

    by Klaatu

    Good, good, good.

  • March 3, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    detached

    by Binkysguy

    Yeah, Thor and Wonder Man are in the same league. That being said, Thor is Albert Pujols while Wondy is Michael Cuddyer. A pretty solid bat but not an MVP. There was a feature in Spider Man annual #15 showing how all the Marvel guys stacked up as far as physical strength went. The group with the strongest was made up of Hulk, Thor, Hercules, Wonder Man and Iron Man. It was pretty cool bonus feature that wouldn't happen nowadays.

  • March 3, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST

    i_max_u_mini

    by u.k. star

    That was well said mate, very well said.

  • March 3, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST

    finngodo

    by u.k. star

    Not sure why you think Iron Man is the only "franchise". Thor 2 has a release date and Thor was a decent sized hit, especially given the tricky subject. People get misled by the amount of cash Iron Man made. It took about $150m mere than people were expecting. Captain America also did a little better than expected for such a "silly" looking and American hero. Made more overseas and is a Franchise. Only one that isn't is Hulk, but they recovered respectability after the disastrous "Hulk of 2003 and if reaction to this trailer is anything to go by then the hoped for "bump" from The Avengers will see us get another Hulk film too. Either way 3 of the four "Franchises" are successful and ongoing and the movie industry considers Incredible Hulk, whilst not the money maker you'd hope for did revive a thought dead movie hero.

  • March 3, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST

    detached

    by u.k. star

    Agree about the talkbacks... Thor really is the man (especially if you ignore that retroactive Sentry crap). I hope they follow on from Thor's film where they did a very good job of showing (even if by no means fully) just how powerful he can be.

  • March 3, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST

    franchise grosses

    by Detached

    iron man made $580m worldwide, & im2 pulled in $624m. thor made $449m. cap pulled in $369m. and of course that doesn't include dvd/blu-ray. so all three of those have done very well. i always thought iron man could be a great movie if done right, because it had such an element of plausibility to it. marvel did it right (at least the first one), and it paid off. by contrast, i also always thought dc had their own iron man type franchise (possibility, at least) in green lantern. just play it as a straight science fiction story. but apparently messed that one pretty badly (have to admit, i still haven't seen it). for that matter, although i liked hulk2 better than the first one, i don't think the hulk story has still been done onscreen the way it should be. angst lee got the franchise off to a bad start, and movie audiences aren't always forgiving enough to come back for a second go-round.

  • March 3, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST

    MArvel studios "franchises"

    by u.k. star

    detached has it spot on. They've all done either as expected, a required or better. Even Incredible Hulk's main function was mostly to get people to give a shit about the character again so he wouldn't be see as a negative in any future Avengers films etc. Getting any number of people to return for a film after the first one let them down so much is an achievement (just look at Ghost Rider, or Tomb Raider and you can see that) The others are all hits, people just assume every new super hero movie will instantly be an Iron Man sized hit, and that just isn't realistic. Especially with such different characters AND the x-factor of having Downey Jr. playing Stark. It was one of those roles and, as we can all see, has finally turned Downey Jr into an A-list star after years of acting.

  • March 3, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST

    binkysguy re power lists

    by Detached

    i mentioned earlier (you may not have seen it) that back in the 80s or 90s or whenever that marvel put out an index showing where their heroes ranked. thor had a ranking of 100 (i believe- pretty sure of that), and it went from there. i wouldn't put iron man in that class (unless he's gotten a *MAJOR* upgrade). back in the day, it generally went like: thor hercules/hulk (on land)/sub-mariner (under water)(not really sure how hercules related to the other two) thing iron man etc. not sure where wonder man would have fit in. he wasn't around for a long time.

  • March 3, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST

    OH SHIT, ROBOCOP JUST BECAME REALITY...

    by Billy_D_Williams

    England planning to privatize police forces http://tinyurl.com/72vm4xw

  • March 3, 2012, 3:25 p.m. CST

    binkysguy - oops

    by Detached

    looks like i previously mentioned that marvel index in a post to you, so you probably did see it. my mistake.

  • and aparently hawkeye only has one line of dialoug in this movie.... begs the question why is he in the movie? must be abit of a pisser for jeremy renner? the movie opens with a really cool intro for Black widow and and in that scene according to Joss Whedon kicks someone's ass majorly....

  • March 3, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Marvel Index thing

    by Binkysguy

    I owned the Marvel role-playing game in the 80's, I also own the Handbook of the Marvel Universe and the aforementioned Spider Man annual from 1981. All three of those sources have Hulk as THE strongest (100+ tons) and Thor, Hercules, Wonder Man right at 100 tons. Iron Man can get to the 100 ton range for a short time if he shifts his power to physical strength. Right below that group you had folks who were in the 75-99 ton range and that was The Thing, Colossus, Black Bolt, Namor...crap that's all I can remember off the top of my head. You may take issue with this but it's straight from the writers at Marvel.

  • March 3, 2012, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Here's a chart straight from Marvel

    by Binkysguy

    LOL! Whaddya know? Ole' Wondy got fucked again. http://www.marveldirectory.com/strengthlevels/index.htm

  • March 3, 2012, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Can'

    by pollaxt

  • March 3, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST

    binkysguy re the chart

    by Detached

    Well, I guess Marvel is in conflict with itself, if they also listed Thor as #1 elsewhere (as I have read that they did, I believe I saw that myself, but it was a longggggg time ago). Not to mention that Stan Lee himself said Thor would win. He ought to know. In any event, if you read the Marvels in the 60s & 70s, you certainly came away with the impression that Thor was stronger. As just one example, the Hulk simply could not beat Namor underwater (Namor won there- see the special issue of Tales to Astonish #100), but Namor was no match for Thor, even underwater (to Namor's great surprise). That even happened in Namor's own book, in the fall of 1975. This is probably an issue similar to what you described with Wonder Man- different writers having different takes on things. JMO. I'll go with Stan Lee myself.

  • March 3, 2012, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Binksyguy- looking at that chart...

    by Detached

    I made the mistake of responding to your post without actually looking at the chart, but now that I do... First of all, thanks for posting it. I checked what it had to say under "strength level" for the characters under discussion here. For Thor, there is no listing ("strength level" is blank). Here are the others (minus Wonder Man - sorry :), and then my comments: ******** From the chart: Hercules is of "Class 100" strength, able to lift (press) over 100 tons. (The average male Olympian god is capable of lifting about 25 tons.) The Hulk possesses superhuman strength of the Class 100 level, enabling him to lift (press) in excess of 100 tons. The Hulk only attains this strength level when he is enraged. In a totally, calm state his functional strength is significantly less, perhaps in the 70 ton range. Tony Stark.. His armor magnifies Stark strength to superhuman levels, enabling him to lift (press) roughly 85 times. **** Okay, my comments: I don't know why there's nothing posted for Thor's strength level. Thor is listed with other "Class 100" characters, but that's it. Note that Hercules is as strong as the Hulk gets when the Hulk is enraged. Now, if you go back to Thor 126 (yes, my friend, I am that old :), when Thor fought Hercules, Lee/Kirby made it VERY clear Thor was stronger than Hercules. At one point, Thor actually thinks to himself "One final blow... with all my strength... would surely END this useless affair." But he "couldn't bring myself to deal so harshly with the Son of Zeus." (Thor lost the fight because Odin took away half his strength as a punishment, then of course Odin regretted it). It stands to reason that if Hercules is as strong as the Hulk ever gets, and Thor was capable of decisively defeating Herc... well, we can all do the math. I'll note in passing that people often talk about the Hulk's growing strength when he gets enraged. Well, you ever seen Thor under Warrior Madness? (Admittedly, that supposedly only happens once or twice in an Asgardian's lifetime). I've read that Thor's strength multiplies **tenfold** in that condition. I don't think anyone short of an Odin/Galactus type would have much chance against him in that situation. Those points aside, one very interesting thing about that chart is that they have Iron Man up to 85% of Thor/Hulk strength. Boy, that's new. He was never even *close* to that in the earlier stories. Maybe 1/3 to 1/2 or so. I guess modern technology has done wonders for ol' Shellhead. By the way, and this JMHO, but I don't agree with the strength limits on that chart. I think Thor, Hercules, Hulk, Namor (underwater), etc are probably all actually a good deal stronger than the way that chart lists them. Again, though, JMO.

  • March 3, 2012, 7:48 p.m. CST

    so is Ironman the leader?

    by Carven

    IronMan seems to have the most focus on the film, when it comes to the cool action scenes/funny banter. That's to be expected, but Captain America should be the one leading the charge. That last bit in the end with Hulk saving Ironman gives me hope that the focus will be on the Avengers learning to work as a team.

  • Is he required by law to wear the same stank ass shit every day? Is it okay with you if he changes it up every once in a while without explaining it to you? Will you be able to suspend your disbelief enough to enjoy the movie?

  • March 3, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Uh, if you happen to be underage, just ignore that last post.

    by dahveed1972

  • March 3, 2012, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Surfer can't lift Thor's hammer

    by leo54304

    Check out Thor 10# when the Surfer (Wearing the tightest fitting jeans ever) tries lifting Thor's hammer--and can't. Very funny scene with the youthful Loki in it prodding him on. At first Surfers like, I can lift this cuz I have the power cosmic and that trumps everything and when it can't well Surfer really cranks up the ol' cosmic juice--and stilll can't make it move. Gives nice nice self motivating speech while doing it though. Almost as funny a scene as in Thor 11# when Loki makes Surfer remember that there was a Thor that has been now been replaced a differenct god of thunder (really stupid plot line by the way) when Loki reminds Surfer of the time Thor dented Surfers head in with a headbutt which enrages Surfer to overcome the spell cast over the entire universe (Like I said stupid plotline). Those 2 scenes alone make the issues worth buying.

  • March 4, 2012, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Black Widow Theory

    by leroyspoboys

    She's a Skrull (or whatever Marvel is allowed to call them due to licensing). That's why in the trailer the Hulk is chasing her, she kicks the shit out of Hawkeye and (while this last part isn't clear in the trailer) she's the one that sets off the explosion in the SHIELD base and blows the others out of the window. Somehow Banner isn't blown out of the windows, he Hulks up, and tries chasing her down. Maybe the real Black Widow shows up at the end for the final battle and scene on the bridge in Central Park where Thor takes Loki back to Asgard (lots of BTS pictures and footage of that bridge scene floating around). Here's a clue from Iron Man 2 (timestamp 00:03). Remember Favreau was going to exec produce and was talking about the Avengers long before Iron Man 2 came out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwu8-UsVwEw&feature=related

  • March 4, 2012, 2:21 a.m. CST

    Isnt the last clip in the trailer a copy of

    by Johan

    The giant transformer in Transformers 3? Come up with something new, please.

  • March 4, 2012, 5:23 a.m. CST

    lots of love pretorian24

    by alexander

    you proper adorable half wit crackhead.

  • March 4, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST

    detached, I go back a long way with Marvel, too...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...starting around FF 45 & Spider-Man 33 (great places to start! Inhumans & Spidey pinned under that machine), and then got back issues, collected till the Nineties, stopped, then came back in the past decade or so. So I have the credentials to say that, when it comes to power levels, you can cite chapter and verse to prove almost anything you want. As you said earlier, much of what Marvel has said, both ex cathedra and in specific issues, has been at variance with itself. Things have been established in individual issues that had to be disavowed because they unpleasantly boomeranged later. Stan simply changed his mind or made mistakes, Roy tried to explain it away, Steve Englehart did the same, Gruenwald sorted it all out for the handbooks and made it official, then new writers messed it up again. So, rather than picking and choosing the sources that support me, I prefer to argue from what makes good stories, which is what ultimately matters. And from that point of view, characters that are supremely powerful with no vulnerabilities make for lousy stories. Achilles had a heel, Superman has kryptonite, and Thor needs legit competition. I remember the days when the Cobra and Mr. Hyde gave Thor problems. OK, that was ridiculous, but the opposite pole isn't any better. Stan & Jack ended up keeping Thor in Asgard or off-Earth most of the time as Thor grew stronger & more god-like (as he should be), because credible opposition grew tough to find, especially for the "hero-fights-other-hero" stuff Marvel is famous for, which is what we're talking about. I like that stuff, too, but the only alternative to lowballing Thor to make it work is to build up the other heroes. So I'm fine with Cap's shield stopping Mjolnir, whatever materials science voodoo is required. I'm fine with Iron Man, using all his power for 60 seconds, then burning out, being able to punch out Thor. I'm fine with Hulk & Thor frozen into position, stalemated, for an hour (as happened in Defenders #10 during the Avengers/Defenders War). Ditto for Wonder Man, the Surfer & Hercules. Because otherwise, the story (in Midgard, at least) is always the same: Thor comes in, wins without breaking a sweat, then goes drinking with the Warriors Three. Even my way, he's still got that damn hammer, which the Hulk once said was the only thing he feared (FF26); so at least let someone match him, or nearly so, in strength, just to keep it interesting, 'cause that's what it's all about. (On a different note, I hope I haven't come off too contentious here, detached, because I've really enjoyed your posts in this talkback. You're able to live up to your name and pull back from the game and not lose all perspective; but you're also able to join the game, have fun, and play it for all it's worth, a combination not everyone here can manage. I hope I have done the same here, and I'll be keeping an eye out (like Odin) for your posts in the future. It's a pleasure to make your acquaintance.)

  • usually thor gets a minor irritant slap of pisshead ignorance from the equivalent of a bunch of annoying precocious teenage wretch-hags stuck in narcisistic arrested development, and so then has to get righteous with his inherant narcissism and swat them like the shit vomiting flys they are. Then goes back to the real deal: bitching with his brother, and being Thor: The God of Thunder in general.

  • March 4, 2012, 12:09 p.m. CST

    fetishising

    by al

    my bad

  • March 4, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Ah the geek power debate...

    by u.k. star

    Shame on me I'm finding it kind fun. The Class 100 thing (which I always thought was more sensible than DC's Superman can basically carry the planet thing) was a good way of showing the people that were way above everyone else. But it isn't a barrier. There's also a big difference between the characters who, if their kids were about to die can lift 100 tons for 10 seconds and the ones who can lift 100 tons+ whilst texting their mates and watching Heroes. There's also the fact that Hulk gets stronger and There are other things that just raw strength. Thor has that strength AND Mjolnir. It gives him the edge on most. Things change to fit stories.

  • March 4, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    kisskissbangbang said it perfectly

    by Binkysguy

    And I'll throw my $.02 in...I've always had the Hulk at the tippy-top of the strength list if only because the madder he gets, the stronger he gets and "Hulk is strongest one there is!" That's why it's always takes every hero on the block to stop the Hulk when he blows a gasket and goes buck-nutty. To hear some of you tell it, Thor is stronger than the Hulk plus he fights better plus he has Mjolnir plus the weather control PLUS the electricity-throwing. If that were all true then he'd destroy the Hulk in one page all by himself! How boring would that be? Making them too powerful is pretty lame.

  • March 4, 2012, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Thanks, binkysguy, you said it pretty well yourself...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...if Thor was as powerful as some here make him out to be, it'd be pointless publishing the book. How could he ever get beaten? That's the reason they had the hammer time-limit shtick back in the old days: if Thor lost touch with the hammer for more than 60 seconds, he turned back into Don Blake. A bit arbitrary, but it did make him sweat a little when Dr. Doom enclosed the hammer in a force field. It worked best, perhaps, in a Gerry Conway/John Buscema issue, when, as I recall, Loki challenged Thor to a mano-a-mano fight without the hammer for all the marbles, and Conway counted down the seconds, creating some real tension. (I'm not a big fan of Conway in general, but he probably did his best work on Thor. This would have been around 240 or so;the Doom issue was in the vicinity of the 180s.) And of course you can always turn Thor into a frog...

  • March 4, 2012, 4:47 p.m. CST

    @kisskissbangbang...

    by Detached

    No, sir, you weren't contentious at all. Just making some good points (to which I shall respond, of course :) You came to Marvel not long after me. Pretty sure the first one I read was Spidey 16 (with Daredevil & the Ringmaster), then I began buying them around Spidey 27, FF 45 (sound familiar?) etc. If you remember the first encounter between Thor & the Hulk (Journey into Mystery 112), it basically ended in a tie (Thor wanted to win in 60 seconds w/out his hammer & didn't). And I do remember them locked in that embrace for an hour or whatever. And I know what you mean that Thor can't get too powerful, otherwise who is there to take him on? Still, Lee/Kirby did come up with some worthy opponents, even on Earth (the Absorbing Man as a prime example). Plus of course the Destroyer, Hercules, etc. That said, I do believe the preponderance of evidence does Thor to be the stronger of the two. True, one can cite chapter & verse for either view, but when you look at the preponderance of evidence overall, Thor is **highly** likely to come out ahead. And let me interject here that although Thor's hammer is a huge asset, in a sense, it's really just an extension of his own power, which he hardly ever used to its full extent (again, see Thor 156). For me, the bottom line is what the writers (particularly creators) ultimately intend for their characters (IOW, Star Wars was "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away," not on the other side of the Milky Way last week, etc). As we've noted, it takes a while for them to develop and unfold, etc, but in the end, the creator should have the final say. And Stan Lee says it's Thor, which is enough for me. BTW, thanks for the kind words on "detached" - I try :)

  • March 4, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST

    u.k. star - yes, the debates are fun. and...

    by Detached

    ... i was also thinking of that ridiculous example of Superman moving a planet (i saw that back in the days of Curt Swan stories). give me a break.

  • March 4, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST

    The Hulk And Blackwidow: My Read

    by Media Messiah

    It appears that either the Hulk is helping Blackwidow to escape the building, or she aided him to escape, but both appear to be fleeing as friends...with the Hulk bringing up the rear. That is such a cool shot to see them running together. Look, if the Hulk was chasing her he would have caught her within a half a step, or more likely within an inch.

  • March 4, 2012, 5:43 p.m. CST

    kisskissbangbang

    by Binkysguy

    LOL! Funny you should mention that... http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg138/scaled.php?server=138&filename=thorb.jpg&res=medium Yeah, that's me. Let's hear it for geekiness?

  • March 4, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Good to hear back from you, detached...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...regrettably, I've got some time pressure at the moment and can't respond to you as I'd like to, but let's see what I can do in (a little more) than sixty seconds, before I turn into Donna Blake... You make some good points here yourself, the chief one, perhaps, being "Stan says so", or as TV Tropes puts it, Word of God. If Stan says Thor beats Hulk, although he never wrote an encounter where Thor did, that's got to count heavily, and I can't just wave it away. That said, two points occur to me. 1) There's two creators involved here, and as far as I know, Jack Kirby never spoke to the issue. But what if had, and plumped for the Hulk? They did have different origins in mind for the Surfer, and there's no doubt Jack solely created him; but Stan's vision is the accepted one. Is Stan's word definitive on a co-created character? 2) I assume Stan's remark was recent; but I'm not sure how closely Stan follows Marvel these days. Back when Stan was writing Thor, the God of Thunder had a weakness designed to make it tougher for him to win: losing the hammer made him puny Don Blake. Being the strongest hero wasn't everything. Since Thor and Blake are separated these days, the loss of that story-enabling weakness makes the character harder to threaten and write. I wonder if Stan is aware of this, and how he'd write the character now. There's more to say and I'll try to get back to say it a little later. But I want to take the last few seconds to say something about Silver Surfer #4, which I think you quoted for the Surfer's realization he might not be as powerful. Whether we agree about that or not, will you agree that issue 4 had one of the sweetest covers ever, with the Surfer plummeting from the right top corner towards Thor on the Rainbow Bridge, who's leaning back and starting to swing his hammer up? That sense of imminent collision of titans! Even Stan couldn't bear to cover up that beautiful John Buscema art with blurbs, titles or dialogue...I bring it up since we're both old-time fans, and it's just nice talking to someone I'm pretty sure will remember it (though I urge the rest of you to Google it). And because it'd be just a little less impressive if we knew the Surfer doesn't have a chance against Thor.... Great chatting with you, detached; you're a scholar and a gentleman. Got to go now, before I...uhhhhh...too late...my mortal senses...reel...I'm changing...into... Hey, I'm Donna Blake. This...isn't as bad as I thought. Uh, there's some stuff I want to check out...I'll get back to you.

  • March 4, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST

    my apologies polaxt. ive been off my game lately.

    by dahveed1972

  • March 4, 2012, 8:03 p.m. CST

    i sort of realized that after the fact.

    by dahveed1972

  • March 4, 2012, 8:03 p.m. CST

    donna- i mean, kkbb- you have me laughing :)

    by Detached

    i'm time-constrained too, but i do have answers for your questions. and you're right, i do remember that cover *very* well. it's one of those that's burned into my mind. buscema was truly a great one. carry on, my friend. we'll catch up soon, hopefully tomorrow.

  • March 4, 2012, 9:26 p.m. CST

    binkysguy, that's staggering...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...the Frog of Thunder is about the last thing I'd imagine someone getting as a tattoo. And what are the odds that would come up, even in a discussion about the Avengers movie? But I'll hand it to your inker; he does good work. Is Howard the Duck a candidate for the next one? Or is this so awesome that any other characters would pale by comparison? Three cheers for geekiness!

  • March 4, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST

    I appreciate your amusement, detached...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...and I'll check back for your comments tomorrow. That should give me enough time to...explore some new possibilities. (And figure out what I have to bang against the ground to get my hammer back...)

  • March 4, 2012, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Tattoo

    by Binkysguy

    No, Howard the Duck will not be going on. I got the Thunderfrog because I love comics and my wife loves frogs. When you combine those two there is only one choice, isn't there? I have also had a tat of Captain America on my left arm since 1988. Been there a while but it's still recognizable!

  • March 5, 2012, 3:25 a.m. CST

    detached, kisskissbangbang & Co

    by Lex Luthor II

    I fap fap fapped to the trailer 37 times... and then i started reading all these good comments about THOR and whatnot... and couldnt help but fap some more. Verily, you guys rock. and SHOULDNT a fight between THOR and Capt Merica consist of: THOR calmly walking toward Capt, ripping his shield from him, grabbing him, and tapping him in the head lightly with Mjolnir.. and game over? [or catching his shield and tossing it away then proceeding to the love tap to the head] cuz THOR is infinitely stronger than Capt, and infinitely faster [can react to Hermes himself], so yeah. but Capt Merica would probly win a gold medal in the long jump. i know THOR can [at least he has] move his hand at the speed of light with Mjolnir, and throw Mjolnir at 2-3 times the speed of light too, and again his reaction times allow him to track Hermes himself... so THOR should never even get hit by Hulk or Iron Man too? and Mjolnir absorbs energy [often energy far greater than IronMans cute lil beams], and can send it right back to whoever he wants. THOR > Avengers. hope they show this in the moooovie. and so is Loki. Loki > Avengers without THOR easily. anyone remember Tom Hiddleston's quote talking about how Loki, in Avengers, really still just has to worry about his brother... where IronMans stuff might sting a bit, and Capt is nothing, but he just has to watch out for THOR. I like that. luv u guys. fap fap fap

  • March 5, 2012, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Bantu wind...

    by Hipshot

    Nah, we're not all "young geeks looking for a father figure" some of us, like me, are middle-aged geeks who remember our childhood, and the superhero dreams we had. For me, that 10-year old kid is still very much alive inside, and he is thrilled beyond belief. I'm so happy for that kid. Feel much the same watching my 8-year old son marvel at some heroic or spectacular image. A beautiful thing. Watching Hulk catch Iron Man was the essence of those early comic books that gave me such pleasure at a time in my life I desperately needed it. I'll be there opening day. And if my eyes get just a little misty, I don't think anybody will razz me about it too much. Hell, man...I just love this shit.

  • March 5, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Thor/Hulk

    by Brian888

    Here's my two cents: Thor and Hulk start out roughly equal in strength. Thor might actually have the edge, since baseline Hulk isn't actually the strongest one out there (Namor underwater can beat him, Abomination is at least twice as strong as baseline Hulk, Juggernaut can beat him, etc.). Hulk's schtick, as has been pointed out, is that his strength effectively doesn't really have an upper limit. Consider World War Hulk, wherein a supremely pissed-off Hulk returned to Earth for vengeance. This Hulk was so strong that he was able to stop the forward momentum of the Juggernaut through his strength, which is normally impossible without some serious magic. However, Thor brings a lot more to the table than strength alone. The list of things he has done with his hammer is too long to list here, but it's very impressive. For some writers, the hammer is basically a plot device, letting Thor do whatever he needs to do to get the job done. If Thor really felt like it, he could probably use Mjolnir to teleport Hulk into the middle of the Sun or something.

  • March 5, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST

    binkysguy re "hulk at top of list

    by Detached

  • March 5, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST

    binkysguy re "hulk at top of list (this post is the real one)

    by Detached

    sorry, i hit "enter" by accident on that last one. anyway, that chart you posted contradicts the whole "hulk gets stronger forever" idea. the chart itself (for whatever its worth) does indicate he has an upper limit. and just because the hulk *claims* he's "the strongest there is!" doesn't mean he is- just that the dumb brute thinks he is (with good reason, of course). that said, even if Thor is stronger plus his other powers, that doesn't necessarily mean he'd beat the Hulk in a single page- just that he's stronger and/or more powerful. and that his foes originate from a different plane of existence- and that they are more powerful than what he faces on Earth.

  • March 5, 2012, 5:04 p.m. CST

    @kkbb re stan/jack...

    by Detached

    I have to say, I don't remember the specifics of the creation of the Hulk. I do know Stan came up with the basic idea of Thor, but, as you know, the Marvel creative process was very collaborative, so I'm sure Jack added some ideas along the way. Just as an aside, the reason Kirby didn't work on Spidey from the beginning was A) he was already swamped, but B), he drew Peter Parker as "too handsome," whereas Lee wanted more of the "dork" type that Ditko came up with. Of course, Peter developed into a late bloomer under Romita, but that was down the road. In any event, you're right, Stan did make that comment about Thor over the Hulk sometime in the last several years, and I'm sure he's aware that Dr. Blake is no longer around, since that's been a while. That said, my own theory (and it is only a theory) is that the reason Thor gradually became more powerful over time is that Odin limited him in the beginning of his "learning humility" on Earth as Blake, and gradually restored his strength & powers to what we started to see by, say, Thor 119 to 126 and then into issues like 156. That's just my theory, of course. As for the Surfer, if you remember that issue, the Surfer himself was the one who thought (or realized) that his power wasn't as strong as Thor's hammer. Of course, that great cover was intended as a symbol of the story (mainly its beginning), so it didn't matter so much that *at that point* the Surfer hadn't yet realized he would ultimately not be able to beat Thor. The point about no blurbs on the cover is interesting. If you remember (and you know you do :), the early Marvel covers had no word or thought balloons. That was "beneath" them. Oh, one other point- you mentioned how you came into Spidey at #33. I'm sure you've read 31 & 32 - which IMHO is the greatest Spidey story ever, or darn close (along with 39-40 and the Spidey annual - #5, I think- with the **GREAT** story of Peter Parker's parents, which had that fabulous incredible fantastic ending - "I will never again regret being Spider-Man!"). And talking about great covers - Spidey 31 just ruled. As did 39. And 50. And FF45. And 47. And 48. And Thor 121. And... and... and... Ah, those were so the days.

  • March 5, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST

    admiral_n8 re Thor

    by Detached

    You make some good points. I hadn't heard the whole "speed of light" stuff - that was probably, as I've said, after my time at Marvel. I do feel, as others do, that there is the risk of making Thor *too* powerful, at least too powerful for Earth. He beat the Destroyer in like 90 seconds in the first Thor movie, which in the comics would never happen. I hadn't seen that Hiddleston quote, but it wouldn't surprise me. As for what we'll see in the movie... stay tuned...

  • March 5, 2012, 5:32 p.m. CST

    brian888

    by Detached

    Personally, I agree with you, that Thor's "baseline strenght" is above the Hulk's (again, just go back to seeing Thor easily beat Namor underwater, which the Hulk could never do). Still, we did see that Thor/Hulk clench which lasted quite a while (although I couldn't tell you who wrote that, which to me is an important point). You mentioned a couple of interesting things. One is that the Juggernaut sure has gotten a strength upgrade over the years. When he was first introduced (X-Men 12-13), I certainly never had the impression he was in the Hulk category. Maybe I was just missing something, but I think it's more likely that Marvel writers upgraded him over time. And - very important- you make a good point about Thor being able to transport people via Mjolnir. I remember once he sent someone to another dimension. If he were real, he could send anyone to some dimension so far away they could never find their way back home. Again, that's a case of him becoming too powerful, and thankfully, I don't really ever remember him doing that again.

  • March 5, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Captan Shielderica

    by Mockingbuddha

    Sorry if someone already said this, but Cap's shied, in the movie was described as being made of vibranium and capable of absorbing ALL force, (not sure if they used the term force in the movie, I forget) which is why cap doesn't get knocked back or break his arm when bullets hit his shield. My guess is that Thor, as mighty as he is, can not exert more force than the vibranium can handle. And my vote for what is being brought to the Avengers by Iron Man is Jormungand, The Midgard Serpant, destined to destroy Thor at Ragnarok. In the Ultimates version of these stories, Nick Fury has basically the same powers as Steve Rogers, and Hawkeye and Black Widow both have cybernetic enhancements. Don't know if they will go that route in the movie, but I liked that angle of things and would like it if they did. But if they don't put the giant squid at the end of this I ain't watching!

  • March 5, 2012, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Now that I'm myself again, detached...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...(it was the lipstick that became the hammer; who'd have guessed?), I'll respond to some of your cogent points. It wasn't so much the specifics of Stan & Jack's thoughts on Thor & the Hulk I was getting at, so much as the collaborative aspect of the "Marvel style", which you acknowledge. Since the artist often did much of the plotting (especially with Jack & Steve Ditko, the latter getting listed in the credits for it), the Word of God (creator's intention) approach to resolving disputes about the character can be problematic; the intentions of both have to be taken into account. I don't know that Stan & Jack disagreed on these particular characters, but they disagreed later on the Surfer, and Steve had a different vision of Spidey from Stan, so it can't be taken for granted. Word of God has to be taken into account, but it's not definitive for me. And creators can change their mind, or have it changed for them. Is Jerry Siegel's 30's Supes, who leaps, defining, or his 50's Supes, who flies? (By the way, in addition to what you say about Kirby & Spidey, Jack's version was considered too close to Jack's & Joe Simon's The Fly for comfort, so that also tipped in favor of Steve. But you probably know this...) I've gotten the impression Stan isn't as aware of current Marvel canon as he once was, but the divorce between Blake & Thor's fairly major, so maybe he does know about it. It's more what he thinks about it that's my question, and he doesn't ever get into that in interviews. (Obviously, Marvel doesn't want him badmouthing their decisions, so he seems to maintain a tactful silence while doing cameos in the films & short pieces for anniversary issues.) But Blake & the 60-seconds hammer thing were part of his original vision, Thor's equivalent of Kryptonite, and suggest he thought Thor needed limits & weaknesses. (Your in-story theory about Thor's lesser power early on as part of Odin's lessons in humility does makes sense.) Of course, you're right about the Surfer's thoughts in SS #4. That remark I made about the (symbolic) cover not having the impact if they're not even-matched was just teasing. I mainly just wanted to talk about how much I love that cover. As for early Marvel covers being balloonless, it depends on how early you're talking about. The earliest issues I own are FFs #8 (Puppet Master's 1st appearance) & #10 (Doom switching places with Reed), and they both have word balloons. So do Spider-Man #1, #3, #4, #5, and #7. And Stan's comment on the beautiful Thor #111 cover(sword falling between worlds) has Stan's solitary box saying it's too beautiful to cover up. My sense is that he became much more sparing with balloons & captions as time went by. No argument whatsoever on Spidey 31-33 being the greatest Spidey story; it is. 'Nuff said. The other 2 you mention are up there, too. (I may follow this up with a post about 33, just to rave a little more.) Ah, covers..."If This Be My Destiny", Peter unmasked by the flying Goblin, "Spider-Man No More!"... "Among Us Walk... The Inhumans!", the crumbling bridge on 47, "The Coming of Galactus"...these might deserve a post, too. But I'm not as wild about Thor 121 (giant Absorbing Man smacking Thor down,right?) as you are; I'll go with the aforementioned 111, or the horizontal split cover of Thor going into the Underworld instead. And I'll add Spidey 28, the first Molten Man cover, and 22, with no Spidey, just his spotlight (why doesn't he use that anymore?). And since this epic post still isn't long enough, let me toss in a comment about your reply to admiral_n8: Steve Englehart wrote the Thor/Hulk stalemate scene in Defenders 10. He's one of my favorite creators, so that scene plays a big role in my thoughts about the characters's strengths. Your comment to brian888: The Juggernaut has gotten more powerful over time, but since the name suggests unstoppability, and the best Juggy story ever is Roger Stern's two-part Spider-Man story, "Nothing Can Stop The Juggernaut!", I can't really complain. (I'm a sucker for overmatched-heroes-keep-trying-anyway stories (see Daredevil vs. Sub-Mariner(#9)), and this is one of the great ones.) And finally, (wild applause!), good to see you recognize Thor can be overpowered. Both the "Thor reacts to Hermes at the speed of light" & "Thor exiles someone to another dimension" scenarios are way too much for me to buy (although Dr. Strange can do the latter and it doesn't bother me at all). I also hate the time Thor beat Galactus by himself; Odin, maybe, but not Thor. Well, that should be exhaustive (& exhausting) enough for anyone. I'll understand if you don't want to respond at this length, but feel free to hit just the points you want to, if any. And if that's it for you...wow, man, it's been a blast. May we do it again some other time, my friend.

  • March 5, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Oh, and in reference to the Donna Blake thing...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...glad it made you laugh. That "my mortal senses...reel" line is an old line from Stan I'd always remembered as him at his most florid, so I threw it in for the sake of authenticity.

  • March 6, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Hey Kevin Smith

    by Klaatu

    The Avengers will be like an exciting orgy with top models, Dark Knight rises like TRASCENDENT XD tantric sex.

  • March 6, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    I Like The Way Hulk Seems To Be Depicted

    by Buzz Maverik

    I like seeing a heroic Hulk, rescuing Iron Man, standing alongside the other heroes. For the last decade, the Marvel Comic regime has not really seemed to understand this aspect of the Hulk and it has been passed on to a generation of fans, who view him as a villain and a menace, something certainly made worse by Ultimate Hulk (it couldn't be clearer that Banner and Hulk are characters that Millar cannot relate to on any level).

  • March 6, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST

    ah, kkbb, my mortal senses... respond! :)

    by Detached

    Well, of course, I agree with some of your deep & profound insights... and disagree with others. Since Jack drew some of Thor's classic battles, doubtless he played a part in developing his power. What would Jack have thought? I'm sure he would have agreed with me :), but of course, I doubt we'll ever know. BTW, though, Stan & Jack disagreed on the origin of the Surfer & the nature of his personality, but not his powers per se (in fact, Jack out & out created him- when Stan saw him, he said "Who's that?" and Jack replied "I figured anyone that powerful would have a herald of some sort."). I do agree creators can change - probably a better term is "develop" - their characters over time. As you have pointed out, Thor's power certainly grew from the early days to what we saw later on (the same was true with other characters, like Johnny Storm's "Nova" ability). At the same time, though, keep in mind that Stan has also said Thor was created *specifically* as someone stronger than the Hulk. As recounted in Thor's Wikipedia entry (citing a bio of Lee), Lee was asking himself "How do you create make someone stronger than the strongest person? It finally came to me: don't make human- make him a god." And thus we got Thor. Given that his very origin was that he was created to be someone stronger than the Hulk, well, we can therefore assume he actually (still) is stronger than the Hulk. And I can't say for sure, but I'm almost certain Stan is aware of the Thor/Blake split. Don't ask me why, though. However, I **definitely** agree Thor, like any other hero, must *NOT* be too powerful. Yes, he does stand atop Marvel's Mt. Olympus for heroes/main characters (so to speak - sorry, Herc), but he is still well below his dad, and doubtless others. I also could not agree more that Thor cannot and should not be able to beat Galactus by himself. No way; Galactus is simply a type of higher order of being, so to speak. And as for covers- you're right, I'd forgotten that the very early Marvels did have word/thought balloons in them, and then they got away from them for years. Frankly, I always thought they looked better without them, although some did work, like the immortal Spider-Man 121. And you thought you wrote a long post! :) I'm sure we could both go even longer!

  • March 6, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST

    detached - Juggernaut

    by Brian888

    Juggernaut's powers certainly have changed a bit over the years. For a good long while now, though (at least since the 80s), he's been a top-tier heavy hitter, up there with Thor and Hulk. However, his strength isn't his main thing. Really, it's his invulnerability and his ability to move forward (which is what gives him his name). In terms of invulnerability, he's basically a walking version of Cap's shield. It's usually pointless to try to hurt him physically, unless you're packing serious magical or reality-warping powers (although Thor found a way around this). He can casually deliver a beat-down to Colossus without breaking a sweat, and has done so in the past. This is why the standard MO for fighting him is to get his helmet off, and then knock him out psychically. His other main power is his ability to always move forward. The claim there is that there's almost nothing out there that can actually completely arrest Juggernaut's forward momentum once he starts moving. It's a powerful magical ability. It's also why World War Hulk's feat of Hulk actually holding up Juggernaut was so goddamn impressive.

  • March 6, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    brian888- thanks

    by Detached

    clearly, jugs has been upgraded over the years (or his power has been more clearly delineated). but interesting you should mention his helmet- even in his first appearance ever, that's how the (original) x-men defeated him- the angel ripped off his helmet & professor hit his mind, etc. so that part of him hasn't changed...

  • March 7, 2012, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Strongest < most powerful

    by u.k. star

    I think a lot of the problem comes with various articles using words centred around strength. Who is the strongest. Then linking the strongest with being the most powerful. Thor is all but definitely weaker than the strongest the Hulk has ever been. In terms of if you could get them to lift weights until they weren't able to take any more, Hulk, suitably enraged and strong, would be able to lift, carry , throw, more weight than Thor. But Thor's other powers are what makes him more "powerful" than The hulk and pretty much all of the other, non hyper Cosmic" beings; that and Mjolnir. Thor is more powerful than The Hulk, even though the Hulk is the strongest. But the thing to remember is in real life being the biggest, or the strongest doesn't mean you'll always win any fight. If that was the case boxing matches would always be very easy to call. Ali would possbly never have been the grates, and woud certainly have lost many of the figts where he fought physically stronger opponents and Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan wouldn't care the crap out of men twice their size. :) A good Thor VS Hulk fight in a Marvel Studios' film would be great though wouldn't it. Fought to a standstill. When we were talking about the movie Thor, right after watching it, I said to my wife that they were going to have to re-fix Hulk. Because in making him weaker to win back those who hated Ang Lee's ulk film, they had a character who was meant to be able to go toe-to-toe with Thor,; but Kenneth Branagh's Thor (who we never are meant to believe we see at full power) would wipe the floor with the 22008 Incredible Hulk in less time than he took to beat The Destroyer.

  • ...so I have to call a halt for now. But I will add, it's hard to argue that quote from Stan, so I'll concede that Stan intended Thor to be stronger than the Hulk, even if he never wrote a decisive battle between them as he did for the Hulk & the Thing (FF #s 25-6...now those were comics!) So break out your best liquor, ring the bells, set off the fireworks, true believer; you've won this round! Though I still think it shouldn't be easy for Thor to beat the Hulk, just as with Bruce & Ben. I still feel, based on general storytelling principles, that Thor, like Superman, needs vulnerability and opposition that poses a real threat. And I think you'd go along with that; at least we agree completely on Thor & Galactus. So this clash of titans comes to an end; but some talkback, some time, we shall meet again! So has it ever been; so shall it ever be! And may that day be soon! Tamam shud, faithful one!

  • March 7, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST

    u.k. star, excellent point...

    by kisskissbangbang

    ...strongest is not identical with most powerful. Still, Stan did say "strongest", and that's got to count for something. But if I was writing the characters, I think I'd lean to your view. Regrettably though, I'm not, so... At least everybody agrees the Hulk (or the other characters we've mentioned) shouldn't be pushovers for Thor, right? (Except for Namor; I loved seeing Thor wipe the smirk off his face...)

  • March 7, 2012, 11 a.m. CST

    uk star re power v strength...

    by Detached

    I've thought of the "power vs strength" concept too, but again, if you just go back to the way the characters were portrayed under Lee & thereafter, Thor never used his power beyond his strength in any fight vs the Hulk, Hercules or Namor. And again, he easily beat Namor underwater, which the Hulk never could do, despite trying repeatedly (and for page after page after page...). And as kkbb pointed out, Stan himself talked about creating a character "stronger" than the Hulk (who already existed). His solution was Thor. BTW, I agree that the way Thor & the Hulk were shown in the movies makes Thor clearly stronger. I didn't like the way Thor beat the Destroyer so easily- that was not the way the Destroyer should ever have been portrayed, IMHO. He's wayyyy stronger than that. We'll see how it all turns out in the Avengers movie... Great talking to you!

  • March 7, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST

    kkbb, you're right, it's been great!

    by Detached

    Thanks for the kind words, O Wise One (or should I say "You have spoken!" :) I completely agree Thor needs (and has) his limits. Watching Thor vs Absorby was always fun for me, plus some of the other great opponents (the Destroyer, Ego, the Silver Surfer, and others). Keep in mind there's the flip side of a massively powerful hero- finding (or creating) someone worthy of battling him! I have too much to do too, but I'm sure we'll have future conversations again- especially when The Avengers **finally** comes out! Until then - Face Front, True Believer. And make ours Marvel! :)

  • March 7, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST

    It' been awesome guys...

    by u.k. star

    Here's hoping the worst have to do after the movie is ague" about who was the strongest in the film!

  • March 7, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST

    they haven t even mentioned ..

    by red_eddie

    They haven't even mentioned on this site the fact that there's a new spiderman trailer with quite a bit of lizard footage? lol..the initial teaser of the Amazing Spiderman had my eyes rolling, but now I'm pumped for seeing the new one. I like the idea that they're doing him just like he is in the comics. Even so, It'll be tough to follow Sam Raimi's first two since the initial impression of those are so strong.

  • March 7, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST

    yes, it has, uk. we'll talk again after the movie!

    by Detached

  • March 13, 2012, 9:49 p.m. CST

    =shot for tv=

    by dinkus_knowles

    just saw it on my 51" plasma. it looks amazeballs. so shut up, fucktards.

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