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The Weinstein Company Loses R Rating Appeal for BULLY Documentary And They’re Not Having It!

The Kidd here, welcoming another AICNer into the fold... Miss Raven McCoy. Raven is a part of the new South Florida contingent that's making its debut here, bringing a strong female voice with her, so welcome her... or don't. Either way, I'll let her take it from here...


Every day millions of kids are bullied for their appearance, sexual orientation, clothes or for no reason at all. With the increase of school violence and teens committing suicide as a result of bullying, documentary filmmaker Lee Hirsch made a documentary in 2011 called THE BULLY PROJECT that tackled the reality of bullying in schools and the different ways people react to it. It was quickly picked up by The Weinstein Company with the intent of screening it at high schools and middle schools so they could learn from it.  However it seems that the MPAA wishes to prevent students from seeing a movie they might actually benefit them.

Earlier this week the MPAA gave the film an ‘R’ rating for “some language.”  This rating means that THE BULLY PROJECT, now titled BULLY, can’t be shown in high schools or middle schools, preventing the film’s intended audience from seeing it!  Harvey Weinstein, co-chair of TWC, along with one of the film’s subjects, appeared before the MPAA yesterday to appeal the rating and plead for a PG-13 rating so it could be screened in schools and shed light on a very serious issue.

The MPAA, an organization who has no problem letting children 13 and up see massive amounts of blood and violence, announced their decision to deny the appeal this morning. Apparently some of the film’s subjects used certain language in a certain context one too many times that they couldn’t overlook the strong rating.  To make matters worse it turns out that the appeal failed to pass by ONE VOTE! One single vote.

Shocked by the news, Weinstein released a statement that "The Weinstein Company is considering a leave of absence from the MPAA for the foreseeable future. We respect the MPAA and their process but feel this time it has just been a bridge too far." It would be a bold move for company and I applaud them for standing up for such a topical film. If they do leave the MPAA the film could go unrated and remain intact without any edits but it would also severely limit the number of theaters that would be able to carry it further reducing the ability of others to see it. 

I have yet to see BULLY, as it’s only been screened at a select few film festivals, but I was incredibly moved just by the trailer. To see so how cruel students can be and the way in which so many adults and administrators down play bullying makes me worry for today’s youth and fear for my future kids.  And with the MPAA being an organization out to dictate what is suitable for audiences, I find it very upsetting that they would deem something so relevant and meaningful to be unsuitable for the very individuals who are the film’s focus.  Stop being so naïve as to think they need to be shielded from something they go through every day, whether you wish to acknowledge it or not.

Set for a March 30 release, I’m curious to see if TWC will try to appeal it again because of their passion for the film and strong desire for audiences to see it or if they might consider editing it down ever so slightly to get a PG-13 so students can still see it and learn from it. Maybe they’ll forgo ratings altogether, go with an Unrated, release it where they can and begin a campaign for unrated movies to be shown in locations, including schools.

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  • Feb. 24, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Aren't the Weinsteins kind of bullies themselves?

    by Uncle Pooky

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Why is South Florida getting an AICN contingent?

    by D.Vader

    I don't quite understand what's going on here. Will the Carolinas get one? The Pacific Northwest? There's no one representing NY, is there? Just wondering.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST

    What fucking asshole would give that an "R"???

    by sjfatty

    Probably some conservative Christian hypocrite who doesn't like the fact that it's sympathetic to gay kids...

  • Bunch of social deviants that wouldn't be allowed in even the most fucked gay club in the castro district.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST


    by David T Lindsay

    Didn't Larry Clark give us the ultimate bully documentary?

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 11:53 a.m. CST

    No offense but unfair is unfair

    by Samuel Fulmer

    If a fiction film has the same number of "bad" words, it would get an R too. How about they just release it directly to DVD without a rating? It's not like it's going to do gangbusters in theaters anyway.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Boycott the MPAA

    by Chang-A-Lang

    The Weinsteins are doing it.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Just beep out some of the swear words...

    by Jake Pantlin

    Just beep out some of the swear words for the high school screenings. Kids are not dumb. They will pick up on what is being said behind the beeps. What is important is that the film is seen.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    It doesn't matter

    by Killdozers Evil Twin Brother

    First off, the idea that teachers will avoid showing the movie to students if they think it's important isn't true. It just reverts to Permission Slips from parents. So Weinstein should just stop fighting the ratings boards, and start making connections with state and local education boards if he wants to reach the intended audience. Before that, he needs to reach out to tastemakers who consider the issue important so Jenny & Joe Sixpack will take the medicine - Oprah, Dr. Phil, Ellen D, all the morning shows, and all that noise. Having said that, I'm not even sure a feature film is the way to make a lasting impact on this embarrassing facet of our culture. The "It Gets Better" campaign was getting it right - simple, emotionally honest testimonials from people who care. People love picking apart movies with difficult and unattractive themes as so much Hollywood hype and agenda. This will be one of them. Is Weinstein just hoping for backlash? I don't know. This doesn't belong at the Cineplex, it belongs on 60 Minutes or Dateline.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    The MPAA should be ashamed of themselves

    by Toby Ferretti

    To prevent this film being seen by the audience who need to see it is almost a form of bullying in itself. I live in the UK and I'll bet my life that the BBFC pass this film as a 12A (our equivalent of a PG-13). The documentary 'This film is not yet rated' just showed what a bunch of egotistical megalomaniacs the people that make up the MPAA are and this stupid decision will enforce that view.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    I love bad press for the MPAA ratings

    by Rupee88

    Maybe someday this corrupt system will be changed, but will take a lot of people making stands to do so. Right now the system works just fine to make the studios tons of $, so they don't really care about these fucked up decisions. See "This Film is Not Rated"...really good doc and very telling.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST


    by Rupee88

    wasn't a documentary. Maybe you are making a joke but makes no sense.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 11:58 a.m. CST

    "The Kidd here",


    welcoming another AICNer into the fold

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Don't see what the problem is...

    by eustisclay

    ...I mean, I know the ratings board will aloow the use of one or two "fucks" if used in a non sexual way. And they are a board, so it doesn't have to go with a zero tolerance type thing. If they think it is useful for kids to see this, regardless of the language, it should get a pg13. Buuut, as someone said, the Weinsteins are bullies themselves and if they really want kids to see this, they could easily bleep the "offensive" language or edit it to fit. Or even present two versions. But if the film is half as good as the trailer, both bodies should hurry so this film can be seen. Not to sound to preachy, but who knows, they could save a life.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    wait a miniute


    Who the hell is the kidd???!?!? :P

  • Feb. 24, 2012, noon CST

    They shouldn't show it in schools anyway because...

    by MoneyGrabSequel

    groups of kids watching together would act like they find some aspects of the bullying funny and maybe even copy it. When kids, especially boys, are with their peers they attempt not to show weakness (like feeling sorry for people lower than themselves in the pecking order) and would joke about it in a theater setting. Ever go to a serious movie/drama with a bunch of teenagers in attendance? They always fake cry or laugh at sad and/or meaningful scenes, etc... whoa, sorry about getting all deep ... who needs a swirlly!

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST

    This might be an unpopular opinion, but...

    by King_Knut

    bullying is almost a necessary part of childhood. It prepares one for the real world, where the bullies want more than just your lunch money or a punch on the nose. I was a victim of bullying as a child. The resolve, coping mechanisms and effective responses I developed as a result have seen me through some tough times as an adult, in the workplace and beyond. I think of bullies a bit like germs. If we isolate our children from all of them while they're growing up, they won't have the defence mechanisms to deal with them when they're older.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST

    If this was actually about philanthropy than okay

    by Samuel Fulmer

    But come on it's the Weinsteins. The same guys who re-cut the King's Speech to PG-13 after it had been out awhile as an R just to make a few more bucks. It's all about the benjamin's. They probably were hoping that they could encourage school districts to foot the bill for these kids to go see it in theaters, because it's not like they are obligated to put it out on DVD with a rating.

  • From TIE ME UP, TIE ME DOWN to this afterschool special bully thingamabop, the Weinstein Bros. have ingeniously used the MPAA to raise awareness for their releases. As much as I would love to see an unrated DJANGO UNCHAINED hit theaters, something tells me this leaving the MPAA bullshit is a load of...well...bullshit. Oh, and naturally I'm against bullying. But, I'm extremely concerned all of this anti-bullying propoganda is churning out a generation of thin-skinned narcissistic snowflakes unable to cope with any sort of conflict. So there.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST

    moneygrabsequel-You kind of have a point

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I remember there being some uproar back in the mid-90's when an inner city school showed Schindler's List and the kids were laughing through the whole thing. I think even Spielberg went there to talk to the kids after the incident occured.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    What's next, Keith Richards to produce an anti-drug documentary?

    by Samuel Fulmer

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Create an alternative rating to the MPAA then.

    by Ricardo

    If it's educational, it should be allowed.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    As a teacher....

    by Taragor

    I think that kids need moderate circumstances where they have to work issues out. As was stated in a previous post, the job world, relationships and the public in general are and can be very harsh. However, i do not agree with "The Kidd" stating that administrators downplay it. It is more of an issue than that. 1. As a teacher/admin you are required to contact child services if you know a child is being harmed. 2. When parents of a bully are contacted, they are many times in denial of the issue. 3. Look at what society (heck just read how we treat each other in talkbacks) is showing kids about how to handle conflict resolution (ie reality TV, online gaming, forums etc). We are a society that wants what we want, when we want it, and how we want it for ourselves. We expect everyone else to be perfect, but make excuses for our lack of it. I have a huge hope for society and for our young children. This issue of bullying has been around for so long, and how to stop it is at least bringing it more to light as the movie will do. Yet in our schools, without a rating, you will have parents that will say "No" and perhaps they are exactly the ones whose children need to see it. Anyway, just my 2 cents. It would be wonderful if we gave more grace to each other. It just seems that we are an angry, impatient society right now. We are salmon swimming upstream in all this.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Just because something is educational or a documentary doesn't mean

    by Samuel Fulmer

    It should get treated any different from a fiction film. I mean come on, there's a lot of stuff in documentaries that a just as staged as moments in a fiction film.

  • The MPAA could care less if they left. If the film made R by just one vote, then its likely one edit away from PG13. Make the tweaks and get the film where it needs to be. Christ people love to overreact.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Ok, bigger issues aside..

    by ShogunMaster

    I'm not condoning bullying or violence in any way at all, but the fact is, kids (and adults) like to establish their role in a hierarchy in any group setting they get into. As much as bullying isn't cool, it will always happen. It's human nature for people to step on others in order to move up the social ladder. There is always an alpha chimp, there is always an omega chimp. That said, why the hell are the parents housing the poor kid in McLovin glasses and a Spock haircut? Give your poor kid some advantages by making him look a little better. It will help him feel some self worth. I get that bullying is a horrible remnant of our social evolution, but the fact is, it will always be so. Life isn't fair, but you can definitely dress up your hand and take advantage of your opportunities too.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    king_knut--I see your point, but the problem is...

    by art123guy today tend to commit suicide far more often. A very sad and real problem. Also, I think bullies are worse now because they have access to stuff we (or I, not sure how old everyone here is) didn't. When I was young (can't believe I just said that), we couldn't see R rated movies because there was no cable or internet. I'm not prude either, I love me my bloody and raunchy movies. I just don't think kids should see them until a certain age. I saw Piranha 3D in the theater and there was a couple with their 2 kids probably 9 and 5. I mean, come on people. That, to me anyway, is just messed up. No, I don't have kids but I would pay more attention to what they watch and at what age they watch it.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    I was bullied in school...

    by Judge Briggs

    I got my father's English genes of big ears and fucked up teeth .... Got the ears pulled back and braces ... before that, I was teased so much by the white trash bullies in my school ... I had the last laugh though ... I am much whittier because I developed a thick skin, have a MA from Johns Hopkins, and my colleagues are former Special Forces gents, and date really hot women ... The bullies? They are still white trash working shitty, blue collar jobs. I feel for the kids who are bullied ... but I know for sure, it does get better.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Also, eustisclay is right, just bleep it.

    by art123guy

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Jesus Christ

    by dancetothebeatofthelivingdead

    We are raising such a generation of pussies!!! we need this movie to raise awareness that bullying is bad and makes some kids go home with hurt feewings? Too fucking bad, welcome to the real world kids, it aint gonna get any fucking easier. Learn to stand up for yourself now when the only repurcussions are an ass kicking. Here's a life lesson, someone's bullying you? pop em in the fucking mouth. You might get your ass kicked, big deal, it only hurts for a day or two. They come back and bully you again? Pop em in the fucking mouth again. Eventually, they're going to move on to someone else who they can bully without having to fight over it. Here's another life lesson: It's better to swallow blood than pride. If you live your whole adolescence letting everyone pick on yopu and bully you, you're gonna have a rough life. Remember when the baloon theory was the status quo for bullies? You know, bullies are like balloons, one good pop and they go away forever. Maybe if parents taught their kids to defend themselves instead of going up before the school board and making their kid even more of an outcast the bullies would move along to someone else. Oh, wait. I know, just show this movie to a classroom full of 17 year old kids and that will fix it, right? Bullshit! Those kids are going to walk out of that class and emulate what they saw in the movie. Anyone who thinks otherwise either has their head in the clouds or doesn't understand the mind of a teenager. And if you want the movie shown in school with an R rating, all you have to do is get permission slips signed. I remember in high school, we watched Platoon. All but one kid's parents agreed to it, and that kid got sent to the library. AND HE WAS PICKED ON FOR IT!!!! HA HA!!! See? Parents, stay out of your kids social existence, you're not helping.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST

    I agree about Raven

    by David T Lindsay

    she's losing sleep over Project X. Give her a break

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    bullying itself isnt the problem

    by Bouncy X

    its how extreme its gotten these days. i'm just 35 so not super old but back in my school days, bullying consisted of people making fun of you or picking on you. it was nothing bad or even serious and it was easy stuff to get over and get passed and in my case, even easier to completely avoid. these days, you hear stories where kids are literally getting the shit kicked out of them on a regular basis for no reason whatsoever. they aren't just being picked on, they are being attacked. its that kind of bullying that needs to be stopped. but of course the other problem is that if the victim tries to get help, that'll often just make it worse for them afterwards.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST

    I was moved around a lot as a kid

    by Jaster Mareel

    Subsequently I was always the new kid. Which of course means I had to be tested. At first I just wanted to stay in the back of the class, avoid everyone else and kind of dissapear. Then one day I kinda snapped and started beating the living shit out of anyone who dared fuck with me. It stopped. Immediately. But I fear for my child that he will have to go through the same thing.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    the other end of suicide

    by Bouncy X

    as someone else pointed out, a lot of kids are killing themselves over this but another problem is the opposite reaction. maybe its happened and hasn't made headlines but the way things are these days. i'm totally expecting a bully victim to just fucking snap and really hurt or even kill their tormentors. and when that day comes, i'll have no sympathy for the bully. you just dont know what kinda person you're truly fucking with. some people are not very stable. lol

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Can somebody answer: Is the MPAA law in USA?

    by Spandau Belly

    I thought the MPAA just reviewed films, assigned ratings, and these were ratings were enforced entirely voluntarily. For example: I would think it's legal to show an R rated film to young child, but it's just the policy of cinema chains not to admit children to R rated films. Am I wrong about this, or is the MPAA actually an organization with legal clout?

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST

    MPAA isn't law, it's totally voluntary

    by Jaster Mareel

    But nobody will screen your film without an MPAA rating. Stupid, I know, but there it is. Well, SOME theaters will screen them. I remember when Tobe Hooper refused to submit to the MPAAs rating of X for Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 so he took it out without a rating and it played here in a campus theater. But there's no way to make money carting teh thing around from town to town in your car and negotiating a deal with theater owners.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Bullies should be executed young

    by bobbofatz

    they can turn into bigger assholes later in life or even your boss. But seriously it can be a problem that affects people well into adulthood. Some mention that a little bullying can make a person stronger and that a pop in the nose will deter a bully. These things are true but it does not address the chronic abuse some children go through. Some kids get beat down mentally and physically by different groups daily. How can you expect an impressionable boy or girl to keep their self worth high every time. Some kids will not handle it, sadly. There should be a zero tolerance policy in schools. Have kids learning how to argue and stand up for themself in supervised debates of the mind. Then you may see the bullies getting bullied.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    spandau belly, the theater has no problem...

    by art123guy

    ...showing R-rated movies to young kids as long as they are accompanied by an adult. As I said, I saw Piranha 3D in the theater and there was a couple with their 2 kids probably 9 and 5.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    bouncy x

    by David T Lindsay

    Didn't that happen at Columbine?

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST

    teachers bullied me for my bad grammar;(

    by bobbofatz

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:58 p.m. CST

    After high school bullies join the Police Academy

    by Jaster Mareel

    I am utterly fucking convinced of this.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Yeah what happened to Monte Cristo?

    by D.Vader

    What'd he do around here anyway? The CRITERION column? I hear he changed his Twitter account?

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST

    this is why what happened to the irish teenager Phoebe Prince...

    by emeraldboy

    is so tragic and wrong. she was bullied so severely that she took her own life. and then all the authorities closed ranks and left her family isolated. and they had to fight to get justice for her. what was so horrific about that case were the lies, smears and assissination of pheobe princes character by prosecution and thier attorney. disgraceful stuff.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST

    I kind of wonder if this is good or bad

    by GeneralKael

    I was bullied alot in school - I'm not a very big guy and some guys just want to fight you or steal your money and stuff because you are smaller or smarter or not part of the norm - mostly I think bullies do it because they can. I wonder that in the rush to stop bullying or conflict kids are not taught to stand up for themselves. I remember one instance in school where I kept getting challenged to a fight by a musclebound guy who was already over 6 feet tall - he was twice as big as me and I was obviously no threat to him. I don't know exactly what started this but I'm guessing he said something to me and I said something right back(how dare I right?). So I said okay, but I'm going to fight dirty. He said "what do you mean?" I said "I mean I'm gonna bite you, poke you in the eye and kick you in the nuts - anything I can do to you." He actually complained that this wasn't a fair fight and I asked him how it was fair that someone over twice my size is picking a fight with me? I'm not going to stand there and let myself get beat up. He mumbled at me for a few minutes and swore at me a bit and then walked away... At the time I was scared to death but I was at the point that I figured a pounding was better than putting up with the constant threat of one. I had other episodes of being bullied at times but I found out pretty quickly that if you stand up for yourself the fun went out of it for them. Does bullying suck? Sure it does. But if you learn to stand up for yourself it will help you throughout life. People are not always going to be there to help you. I think maybe a previous poster is correct about the suicides - kids now are exposed to so much stuff that they figure this is a viable option and can easily look up how to do it. Also, they live in an age where they can be easily bullied and embarrassed online through social networks, and they spend all their time on it so it might be hard for them to escape it.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Permission slips

    by DrBathroomMD

    That is all...

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST


    by notcher

    I'd like a crack at convincing them to change it, I can think of a movie where people eat snakes, children get whipped, people get eaten by crocodiles, and one lucky person has his heart torn out of his chest before being burned alive and that movie got a "PG-13 Rating." But I guess the movie "Bully" had some language in it. Yeah, MPAA=hypocritical bullshitters!

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Temple of Doom was rated PG

    by Jaster Mareel

    It was however the impotus that created PG-13. The first film to be released with that new rating was Red Dawn in 1984.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Punch in the face would end bullying...

    by ZodNotGod

    If kids weren't made into such wispy, delicate little babies these days, they could survive. If parents weren't such whimps and cowards to just tell their kids....I don't condone fighting for the sake of it, but protect yourself, if someone is a bully to you, knock them on their ass! Trust me, after that THEY WILL leave you alone. That advice is ancient, but guess what, it works and it allows kids to be kids and not have to live in fear all the time. I'd rather take one half of an ass-kicking to end it than an ass-kicking everyday of the school year because I was told not to fight and waiting for me was the big scary in school detention or suspension... I know the Teachers/Principals are pressured into forbiding fights, but damn them all for encouraging whimpy behavior. If I had a kid in school today, she/he would be swinging at any loser prick that got the notion to bully them or anyone else. Fighiting isn't always bad. BEtter than being a whimp who takes it because the adults are cowards and touchy-feely douchers.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    As for that Cyber bullying....

    by ZodNotGod

    I block people on facebook and its as if they never existed...My suggestion is for the kids with friends online, use NICKNAMES, don't use your real names and the bullies will have a harder time to find you, if at all.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST

    dancetothebeatofthelivingdead, exactly, except...

    by notcher

    When kids who are getting bullied report it, nothing happens to the bullies, when the kids take a rock a smash a bully's face in, the bullied kid who stood up for himself gets kicked out of school. I some moronic fuck mess with me in high school till I bashed his face in with a drumstick, I got in BIG trouble and was accused of using a weapon. My father came to school and fucking ripped the VP a new asshole and said I had reported the abuse, they did nothing, and I had every right to defend myself. Our whole country is a giant bunch of pussies, everyone is offended by everything, and everyone is sue happy. The schools are the biggest pussies of all, they bow down to the parents and do whatever they say because our system protects parents and kids and not teachers. When my Grandpa was a principal, he used paddle kids on their asses when they got out of line and those kid's parent s would say "That'll teach you to not fuck around at school son." Nowadays it would be "Oh my God my child is being abused and I want justice and money and wah wah wah wah!" Our country is fucking stupid and filled with pussies. That's what the problem is. If I ever have a kid and he gets bullied I'll tell him "Next time he fucks with you, take this drumstick and hit that kid until your arm hurts and I'll come in and save the day when the school tries to punish you."

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Wrath of Fett...

    by notcher

    You're right my bad, love it though, makes my point that much stronger.

  • If schools aren't allowed to punish bullies you end up with more bullying.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Not giving a bully a freepass by any means

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I'm somone who was bullied a lot in school, especially my years I spent as a "Haole" on the island of Oahu, but you know there is usually a reason behind the bullying. I'm not saying anything about the kids getting bullyed, but the kids doing it. Usually they come messed up home lives, or their parents have taught them it's okay to treat people that aren't like them as subhuman. The real bullies who do this stuff on a serial basis need to be forced to either go to some kind of counseling, or if they won't do that, they should be expelled from school.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST

    drbathroommd is totally right!!!

    by Tikidonkeypunch

    Our teachers showed us Schindlers List and Saving Private Ryan in High School via permission slips. In Junior High we seen Malcolm X via permission slips. That's all you need. If some kid has pussy parents who wont allow their child to see it, guess what, said pussy goes to the library. He's probably not the bully who needs this anyways. I also agree that watching in a class setting might not allow the kids to fully absorb it. They might laugh at the kids being bully or learn new ways to punish the weaker kids. Finally I agree with another earlier statement that we need bullies in our societies to harden our skin. Like the famous Greg Girardo said You got to spend a long time in your own locker with your underwear shoved up your ass before you start to think, "You'll see. I'm going to take over the world of computers! I'll show them."

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST

    That's just it, too many crap parents....

    by ZodNotGod

    Who are sue happy and not a moral fiber in their body to tell teach their kids that bullying is wrong because they think their kids are special and have this divine right to do whatever they please! They never do anything wrong and damn anyone for saying otherwise. Then you have the other set of kids who are the product of Helicopter parents, completely sheltered and are as intimidating as Don Knotts on Zanax. Touchy-feely weaklings who've been sold out by gutless, wormy parents obsessed with safety and feelings and not reality.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST

    tikidonkeypunch -It's just about economics

    by Samuel Fulmer

    This has nothing to do with the Weinsteins wanting this shown in schools, they just want more box office. People that are falling for the rating line haven't been paying attention to how the Weinsteins operate (see their re-release of The King's Speech last Spring at a PG-13).

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Just bleep the bleeping thing

    by slappy magoo

    If it's so important to show it in schools, don't alter the cut, just add bleeps where it's appropriate. Kids are smart, they'll fill in the blanks, but it should satisfy the concerns of the MPAA. Hell, network TV shows nowadays bleep themselves, usually for comedic effect, so I'd think a movie that bleeps those dirty dirty words would make the movie more acceptable. Then release it theatrically as an R to preserve the integrity of the filmmaker. TWC was planning on trimming the King's Speech to make it a PG-13, so this shouldn't be such a hand-wringing exercise in free publicity.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    slappy magoo-My guess is that this film is probably filled to the gill

    by Samuel Fulmer

    With derogartory term for happy people that starts with an F. As we've seen from preaty much all social justice groups going at the moment, this is the one group that they seem to feel needs special protection against bullies, so my guess is the Weinstein's want the word used so we can all feel the pain. My guess is that the doc will basically skip preaty much every one on earth who gets bullied, and try to play up the sympathy card for this one specific group (which it is sad that kids get picked on for being gay, but like I said I got beat on for being a white boy in Hawaii and I don't see any special videos making the blogosphere to comfort those kids).

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    there used to be a time where if a kid fell in the playground...

    by emeraldboy

    he or she would get a grazed knee. and go the school nurse. parents will happily sue the school. if there kid falls in the playground.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST

    ANd sometimes the parents give the bullies ammo...

    by ZodNotGod

    Sometiems the parents fail to give the kid a fair shake... don't sell them out by being naieve or stupid. Look around, see what the latest styles are...don't mark a scarlet letter on their foreheads by allowing kids to go to school in dirty, out-dated, immature (cartoon characters) pictures on their shirts... Make sure they always take a bath, wear clean clothes and brush their teeth and hair. If you are too poor to buy anything for yourself, dont have kids...Poor kids take the worst of it. I remember the poor kids in my some of classes, teased mercilessly all because they didn't have the best of clothes. A remember this one pair, tiwns, their last name was ROACH, my god, how they ever made it out of high school alive I'll never know, those kids were treated worse than a rabid dog. Their last name didnt help, but showing up to school in older clothes that were dirty didn't help either. Make sure you have the funds to keep your kids in decent stuff at least...doesn't have to be expensive or the name brand, but makes sure its clean and no holes. Look around, see what the hairstyles are and give them one accordingly....Spock haircuts were never in. Don't buy big black Buddy Holly glasses, even if they are the cheapest. Go for somethign designer or contact lens. The "Four-eyes" remarks will never stop. And those glasses are bully magnets.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST

    If it wasn't for bullies Bastian never would have visited Fantasia.

    by Tikidonkeypunch

    Nuff said.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    They are bleeping out words kids use anyway...why?

    by ZodNotGod

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    I was bullied and beat at school because I was smart and a geek

    by Ricardo

    Some years ago I found one of the bullies. He smiled awkwardly and tried to sell me a water purifier. Just bear with it. Survive. All those bullies will be crack addicts or burger king clerks anyway. That is why I don't tip anyone over 30 years old. If they're stuck at that job, they got what they deserved.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST


    by GeneralKael

    It's not that simple - the problem is that if the bullies are friends with the kids friends, they can comment on the friend's pages and make fun of the kid. Also from what I've seen and heard there seems to be some weird reluctance by kids to block people on facebook. A teenage relative of mine was telling me how a guy had posted a racist rant about some other kid and all the kids in their social group were pretty mad at him. I told her that if they are all so upset, why don't they all drop the guy as a facebook friend. "that would be mean" she said. And it seems like nobody else considered dropping the guy either - is this common for kids and social networks?

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    Samuel Fulmer, you know how I know you're Republican?

    by Jaster Mareel

    Because you run your fuckin' mouth about shit you have no clue about. Watch the fucking trailer and shut the fuck up.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Is Bullying getting worse?

    by drewlicious

    In my experience bullying has always been brutal and cruel. Going back as far as my parents it sounds to me like it was even more violent. The only new aspect of it for todays youth that comes to mind is the internet and social networking but other than that I fail to see any major differences. I'm not saying bullying isn't a real problem but I chalk up a lot of the dialogue to media hysteria.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Speaking of glasses, I remember my first day of high school....

    by Jaster Mareel

    I was wearing a cast on my right arm for a broken metacarpel or whatever that bone along the outside of your hand is. The cast only went up my forearm. Anyway, some fucking dork guy with glasses, who happened to be tall and kinda fat, kept fucking with me. The last straw was when he took my paper. I remember standing up, walking around to the front of huis desk and telling him to give me back the paper. He just laughed or soemthing, and I nearly hit him, but I held back. I said I would hit him if he didn't give the paper back. He sneered and said "Go for it!" I did. I smashed that fucking cast right through his glasses, shattering them. The look of utter shock on his face was supreme. I took my paper back, and just as I started to walk away, blood started gushing out of his cheek. I never felt so fucking vindicated in my life. He and I both got suspended for 2 weeks. His mother was so upset with him for bullying me that she made he and I split the cost of replacing the glasses. And I apologized to her for the incident. She was a reasonable and decent person. Needless to say that kid never spoke to me again and I made one hell of an impression to the rest of the class.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST

    ricarleite4 what about people over 30 who got a raw deal?

    by DOGSOUP

    In this economy you're going to judge anyone over 30 with a low paying job as an uneducated bully? What about the good people who got a shitty hand and in efforts to do whatever they can to make money take any job that pays the rent? Maybe that Burger King counter person is just getting by until a real opportunity opens up? Burger King people don't accept tips, but c'mon, you can't be so cruel to people for a shitty reason unless you enjoy being an asshole.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    The "Schindler's List incident" was at my high school

    by Billy_D_Williams

    I wasn't there, but a group of kids from my high school went to see Schindler's List and laughed when the woman was shot in the head. Spielberg came to the school to educate the kids on respect for the holocaust. Spielberg even spoke to me and my science teacher and told us the original ending he was supposed to shoot for Jurassic Park, but couldn't because of time and budget.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Yep because trailers always show the whole movie

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Hey I could be wrong, I'm just saying from what I've read, this movie seems to have been made to put a special focus on one type of bullying. If the movie really is a wide reaching study of bullying, then I'm wrong.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST


    by Chadley BeBay

    has already been taken, by a no-doubt vastly superior film

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST

    billy_d_williams-Hey man if this is true

    by Samuel Fulmer

    What was the original JP ending? Bombing the island like the book????

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST

    I do have to say this too when it comes to bullies

    by Samuel Fulmer

    We have all done it. Even the victims have made fun of or tormented someone at some point, sometimes without even thinking anything of it. And I gurantee you the bullies were bullied at some point to.

  • no one should get bullied. except for the kids of those MPAA members.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Good story wrath_of_fett but...

    by art123guy zodnotgod pointed out, there are too many crap parents. I think very few would be as understanding as the parent of your bully. Chances are you'd be sued for hurting her son 'just because you were made fun of. All kids do it.'

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Samuel Fulmer, now we know you're a Republican and a former bully

    by Jaster Mareel

    I say FORMER bully because nobody would be intimidated by you now.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST

    the biggest danger from bullying is that it's self-perpetuating

    by crazybubba

    I don't think kids killing themselves is the biggest threat that bullying poses to society. As someone pointed out a lot of kids just snap and retaliate with equal or greater violence. A lot of school violence probably starts with bullying of some sort in the life of the aggressor. I guarantee that 90% of all bullies were bullied at some point in their lives. As someone pointed out bullying goes a lot deeper than the playground its an accepted part of our social structure. Its ironic that cut throat business who specialize in turning out high profile violent movies are fighting so hard for a movie like this.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST


    by dancetothebeatofthelivingdead

    I actually came on here to see how many people were railing on me for being one of the first in this TB to say "Fuck you" to this movie and urge parents to tell their kids to stand up for themselves and the bullying will stop. People are actually agrreing with each other on this TB. It's funny. because alot of people on this site affectionately refer to themselves and each other as geeks, yet, even on such a site there is hope. Let's face it, at one time or another everyone has been bullied and everyone has been the bully. It's life, and no one is immune to either side of the coin. However, there seems to be this misconception that the bullying going on today is worse than the bullying og yesteryear because now we have the social media sites that bullies have preyed on. Uhh...newsflash...our bullies were physical. I know that emotional abuse is just as bad and blah, blah, blah. These kids can hit a fucking ignore button to stop that abuse. And as far as anyone getting bullied enough to shoot up a school or take their own life. If you have it inyou to take your own life or to take a gun into a school and open fire, perhaps being bullied wasn't your biggest problem in life. There is no fuckin accountability anymore. Everyone's a fucking victim. Teenage problems seem so fucking huge when you're a kid. But the fact remains, looking back on them, they were nothing. Getting through them is part of life, it's a rite of passage that everyone must go through and getting bullied and picked on and having emotional devastations are part of that. If you check out at 16 because someone's calling you a name or smacking you around because you don't have the self esteem to stand up for yourself, perhaps you had bigger problems.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    sam fulmer...original Jurassic Park ending

    by Billy_D_Williams

    The original ending conceived by Spielberg - After the T-Rex deals with the raptors, it was supposed to chase the group back to the helicopter. Hammong sacrifices himself by giving them enough time to board the chopper and take off, while he tries to fight the T-Rex off with his cane...I don't remember if Spielberg said whether or not Hammond lives or dies, as this was a long time ago.

  • I never really liked the way that T-Rex showed up, saved the day, and basically ignored the people that he was trying to eat earlier in the film, plus if Hammond died, that would've been more in line with what happened to him in the book, and we wouldn't have gotten that kind of unnecessary Hammond moments in Lost World.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST

    The New Kid Was Always Bullied

    by drewlicious

    In retrospect the one kid I feel most sorry for is the kid with the family that always relocated. In almost every single case I saw in grade school through high school other kids talked shit about this person from the first day in. It was kind of miraculous if they ever fit in at all. I wonder if this is just some base desire to attack weakness. It also never helped that these kids were less socially refined, and poor, for that matter. Thankfully I know for a fact that at least a few of these kids grew up to be happy adults with families of their own. I doubt I will be seeing any of them at a high school reunion and I can't blame them.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 3:06 p.m. CST

    drewlicious-Yeah my dad was in the military

    by Samuel Fulmer

    So we moved a lot. And yeah sometime I got that kind of crap, but you know you could be someone like me and learn how to talk people out of situations or actually talk to the right people to get some help, or you could kind of go crazy and snap like other people and set yourself up for jail or a psych evaluation.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST


    by MooseMalloy

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST

    In this Obama economy, working at B-King is not a body's fault...

    by ZodNotGod

    He's stimied the recovery to a lidicuous level and people will be very lucky if that is all that's left. I don't fault anyone for working jobs like that, they gotta eat like the rest of us, only those that don't work or refuse to.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Wrath of Fett was spot on in his first comment-

    by RRL

    My ex's mom was the head psychologist for the Dayton metro school system. I mentioned at dinner one night that I thought if the research was done, they'd find that the kids who wanted to be heroes became firefighters and EMTs, and the biggest bullies became cops. I said this in kind of an angry-jest, but she looked at me and said "they don't need to do any research- I've been doing this for 30 years and YOU ARE ABSOLOUTELY CORRECT." Bummer.

  • instead of trying to get moderates to see things your way maybe you guys should try focusing on things that appeal to them. If you guys continue down the ultra conservative Rick Santorium vote all you will do is alienate non-conservatives and Obama a land slide victory in november. in fact, ignore what i just said and carry on.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    What goes around comes around Weinsteins

    by shane peterson

    karma is a bitch.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Shame gets an NC-17

    by Billy_D_Williams

    because of sex. If Fassbender had been slaying bitches with a knife instead of his cock, the movie would've gotten an R rating. Instead it gets damned with an NC-17 because the MPAA somehow feels sex is more dangerous than edge weapons, bullets and bombs. Fuck them up their stupid asses.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Original Jurassic Park ending

    by D.Vader

    Never heard of this one where Hammond sacrifices himself to save the helicopter by fighting off the Rex... The endings I HAVE heard of involved... Grant using construction equipment to fight and kill the raptors. Hammond being left behind on the Island alive.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST

    There will always be the bullies and the bullied...

    by alienindisguise

    For as long as mankind exists and it's never going to change. The increase in child/teen suicides is due to the fact that most kids are total pussies.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Just lease it unrated

    by Cobb05

    If the doc is good and schools will want to use it, they will. They showed the miracle of life to me in h middle school. So if a kid can see a baby being born, they can handle some cursing. Kids curse, relax.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 4:09 p.m. CST

    kids are pussies now

    by Cobb05

    A kid being called a name by one kid isn't a bully. Kids call each other names. A bully is someone who pretend on the weak. They use intimidation and fear. Yes, it sucks to be called names or made fun of. But kids today, and especially parents overreacting. I mean, what the hell is cyberbullying? Just delete the messages and block the assholes. A cyberbully is a pussy who can't bully in real life. Go make a doc about people who were bullies 20 or more years ago. When kids brought knives to school and there were no child psychiatrists in schools who took a class on bullying. I'm not gay, but I bet gay teens in the 80's put up with a hell of a lot more than kids today.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    I saw this at the Philly Film Fest last November

    by Shepard Wong

    Some local schools had a few bus loads of kids there for the screening. There is occasional cursing inthe film but there was never a single moment where I questioned it being screened to young kids. It's a movie that deserves to be seen. Whatever the Weinsteins do, I hope they find a way to get it seen by the people who may benefit from it.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    The best way to fight bullys..

    by grendel69

    is to fight back. I was tormented my first 2 years of high school. I fought back. Those same kids wanted to suddenly become my friends after Id grown 5 inches and gained 30 pounds, and started boxing and weight lifting. Bullys = Cowards

  • Looking forward to it in a sense, but I also know that it's going to be heartbreaking, especially since I have a little son. Anyone who thinks bullying was good for them hasn't *really* been bullied. It's not good for anyone, bullies included. Every bully is a good kid that never got the chance to be a good kid, most likely because of their parents. Who, in turn, were also... We want judgment, and black & white, but reality just isn't going to give us that comfort food, no matter how loudly Rick Santorum whines.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST


    by treatment

    my kindergarten son got his first taste of being bullied. i told him the next time he is physically handled in a way he is not happy with... do whatever he can to that kid with whatever weapon he deems appropriate (be it his hand, a rock, a hammer). i'm okay with him getting suspended now as opposed to staying home for fear of being bullied. as for the other kid... lesson learned.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Kids are pussies today....

    by ZodNotGod

    It's scary to hear and see so many stories about kids being object whimps and their parents kissing their asses because of the guilt. I grew up in the 80's and it wasn't always easy, but it was compared to some kids. I wasn't a bully nor was I a victim, but I had enough fights to know that it gives a kid some cred when they fight and kick an ass or two. Once its known you know how to fight, bullies stay away. It's sad we have to deal with this shit into the 21st century, but humanity will never change in this regard. Physically or emotionally, bullies will always exist because there will always be losers who get off on hurting people through their deeds or their words. It's far worse when you are an adult having your livelihood fucked with. I had a bully for a manager once, I conspired with a co-worker and we got that fucking prick fired. The best feeling I've had in years was watching that cunt walk out the door all his shit stuffed in a box, with this "WHAT THE FUCK?" look plastered all over his ugly mug. Priceless. Words of advice- get tough, stay tough, bullies only go away when you lose the fear.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Lord, we're raising a nation of wimps...

    by Blue_Demon

    Newsflash: There will always be bullies. Always. When you're 4% of the population and your sexual practices are considered an anomaly, you will be bullied (no, I don't condone it...I feel I have to state that for people who feel rather than think). Fight back, don't hire Gloria Allred or try and pass an anti-bully law. When you're a Haole (white) kid on an island and you're in the minority, you'll be picked on. By the way, look up Kill Haole Day. If that were reversed, the outcry would be heard on Mars. When you're a Mexican-American kid you will be picked on by white kids (I'm Mexican-American)...fight back. It's the law of the jungle, kids. It's evident HERE as well. Just look at the responses we give when somebody states an opinion counter to ours. I've had gentlemen here invite me to kill myself for stating something that goes against their grain. Do I want that guy silenced? No. It's his opinion. And worth exactly diddley/squat. I note it, and move on. We are trying to make the world so damned baby-safe that we will raise a nation of people unable to cope when reality comes roaring around the corner. Quit wasting time shaving the corners off everything and walk it off. Dennis Leary said it best: Life's hard. Get a helmet.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST

    show this instead...

    by treatment ...but not this

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST

    I don't think this movie will change shit.

    by Nerd Rage

    They'll pay it high school and the popular kids will snicker and make sarcastic comment everytime a nerd in the movie starts to complain about bullies. They'll sarcastically cry or laugh as parents weep for their dead children and the other kids in class will follow suit. If you want to change anything you have to punish kids for bullying just like you'd punish them for trespassing, stealing or selling drugs. But bullheaded parents and administrators truly feel bullying is a rite of passage or are just to lazy to combat it. Make bullying a crime and fewer kids will be bullied. A bully won't fuck with that skinny kid with thick glasses if he knows he'll end up wit a court case. It won't be worth it.

  • It's great how punishment has ended all trespassing, stealing and selling drugs, isn't it? I understand your accurate take on high school cynicism, but there's still so much ignorance around this issue that things like this film are a needed step just to wake a lot of people up who are sleeping on the matter. I think that punishment is the real band-aid for bullying. It doesn't address the root causes at all, and the root causes are what produce bullying. And the root causes are a lot larger and more painful to deal with, because they require us to admit that rules and punishment just don't cut it.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 5:10 p.m. CST

    It's fucking public school not a gladiator ring or a prison yard

    by Nerd Rage

    I have an idea. Put the bullies in fucking gladiator rings and prison yards and let the other kids get their education in peace. There's no reason innocent, non-violent kids should adjust and bend to the brutal rules set by cowardly bullies. Bullies should bend to rules of a civil society, not the other way around. That would be like combating trolling by trying to out-troll the trolls. Fucking stupid. Ban those fuckers.

  • You seem to have cynical, unambitious world views based on seemingly very narrow experience, yet you cast judgment in a way entirely outsized compared to that experience. You also don't seem to understand child psychology at all. Your posturing is not a product of strength.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Breeder culture is disgusting

    by lutz

    Watching that trailer made me absolutely cringe. The problem with breeder culture is that most of those kids who are bullied don't know that when they grow up they will likely choose not to live that lifestyle and it isn't relevant to them. Breeder culture is the problem. If you could make people think bigger than just having a child, struggling to raise it and perpetuating their culture of knowing nothing else asides from having babies then you solve the problem.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST

    touche Kevred

    by treatment

    however....... the only person who understands the psychology of the child....... is the child. when i was bullied (circa ages 12-15) i was afraid of school. my school administrator(s) did not make me feel safe and if my child's school admin takes the same philosophy then i will encourage my child to handle it himself. note- the main reason school hierarchy's do not expel bullies is that they lose government funding each day that child is a no show

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST

    I didn't say outlawing bullying would end it completely

    by Nerd Rage

    But you would cut down how popular it is to bully and bullies would have to worry about getting caught instead of having free reign of our schools and have everyone else tip toe around them as if the schools were designed for fucking bullies. If you told kids it was okay to steal, tresspass, and sell drugs those things would be much more rampant at every school. Outlaw bullying the same way you outlaw trolls. Ban those fuckers. Or better yet put them in a gladiator/prison environment where they would be forced to face each other in a dog-eat-dog shithole. There's no reason to subject innocent kids to that bullshit. None.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST


    by Blue_Demon

    It would be foolish to try and impress anyone here. You made a mistake if you believe that. As for a narrow experience...we all have that. How many lives have you lived, good sir? I'll wager only one. Wrath_of_fett - with whom I probably share very little in terms of politics - handled his bully very well. That's the only way. Laws will never change human behavior. A teacher once told me, "Locks keep honest people honest." Meaning that the outlaws will not care one whit for the laws. They (bullies) are here to stay. We can all lock arms and sing Kum-ba-ya and wish them away or we can simply deal with the problem when it arises. Societies evolve. Human nature does not. We simply have to fight the evil in our natures (and the evil actions of others) and keep on doing it until we are extinct.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Since there will always be trolls, we shouldn't ban trolls

    by Nerd Rage

    Just let everyone troll untill the biggest troll emerges the victor. Does that make sense? Now replace the word troll with bully.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 5:42 p.m. CST

    There will always be trolls, so we shouldn't ban trolls

    by Nerd Rage

    Allow trolls to bother others as much as they want until other people out-troll them. Should this be how things are done around here? No swap the word troll with bully.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 5:44 p.m. CST

    sorry for the double post

    by Nerd Rage

    My original post didn't register at first for some reason.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST

    I'd like to meet the dads of some of these bullies


    I really wonder what kind of home allows little pricks to act like this. I wasn't bullied, I stuck up for kids that were bullied, and tossed a few punches at kids that thought treating others like shit was ok. Where are all the kids like me? Oh, that's right, they're playing video games and typing "FIRST!!" on forums such as this.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 5:55 p.m. CST

    The MPAA is in need of a serious overhaul.

    by Knuckleduster

    Hell, they should just put the entire organization out of our misery.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 5:56 p.m. CST

    How would one make bullying illegal exactly?

    by drewlicious

    Physical violence is already illegal inside and outiside of school grounds. So thats done. Harassment to the poing of infringing on someone else's life is also illegal. And hateful speech is already monitored and regulaed on school grounds, but not off school ground because regulating free speech would be unconstitutional no matter how vile it is. So how would one legally define bullying without infringing on free speech? I feel that what most people who support anti-bullying legislation is to make it illegal to use hateful language. That's what most of the media hysteria is all about if you ask me. And as much as I would like to see someone shut up the Westboro Baptists permanently, outlawing hate speech would not be the solution. What we really need is more effective school administrators and parents. People with some common frickin' sense. Anti-bullying legislation would only exist to validate Lady Gaga's ego and awful music.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 5:57 p.m. CST

    nerd rage...

    by Blue_Demon

    I never said to let bullies keep bullying on. I said they will always be here. There will also, thankfully, be people who will not take shit from somebody and fight back. I think even you can see that your suggestion that bullies be sent off to some place where they can fight it in some kind of prison environment is unrealistic. Somebody up there (in the talkbacks) said that we have become very sensitive to bullying because of the information age. Social media, net news, etc. is flooding us with images of fights and victims and it seems as if there is more than ever before. I don't think so. Just the same thing that I saw in school in the 70s (just with better hairstyles.)

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 5:59 p.m. CST

    err...that should say...

    by Blue_Demon

    "I don't think there is more bullying..." (dang it) Hell, you know what I'm trying to say.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 6:10 p.m. CST


    by Blue_Demon

    Well said, sir. I think that the media have mistaken hysteria for awareness. Okay gents...the lights are being put out in the building and there's a beer with my name on it somewhere. See ya'll on Monday.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST

    don't fuckin tell me bullying is ok.

    by mojination

    reading some of these posts is just too frustrating to put into words, but i'll damn well try. bullying is not ok. you can't just shrug it off as part of life. why the fuck should we sit by and accept it?? what a ridiculous, lazy, socially irresponsible position to occupy. it's fundamentally illogical and against basic biological survival instinct: bad shit happens. don't do anything about it. WHAT?? that logic so easily applies to other things, and it's scary. the environment, economics, relationships. bad shit happens. *shrug* WRONG. why the fuck NOT try something to alleviate it? isn't the point of progress PROGRESSION? to something BETTER? don't fuckin sit there in your lazy, cynical, regressive utopia and tell me it's PART OF LIFE. so's cancer, a far more complex, expensive problem and we've had people working on it round the clock on it for half a century. why not face a social problem like bullying and make some sense of it and try and work on it? and just for context, i was bullied as a kid, pretty bad. despite turning out more or less fine and enjoy the good things in life i know for a fact it would've been so much better without a hard school life, and i dare say i would've achieved even more. fuck bullying, you cunts. do something about it! oh, and please don't breed, no doubt your kids will be pillars of the fucking community.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 6:23 p.m. CST

    This trailer just makes me sick...

    by ZodNotGod

    Why is that kid being allowed to be picked on? Enroll him in some karate classes, learn him to fight and when he's not at school make him carry mace. The whole collectivism is a nice idea, but it won't work. Why isn't someone standing up for the kid with glasses? Its a mixed blessing that I dont have kids, I'd be whipping asses every day any pricks get in their face.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 6:51 p.m. CST

    for those of you who don't know...

    by Tim Hamblen

    The MPAA has no set guide lines for rating films, unlike the systems in other countries, and when appealing to the board you are not allowed to site other movies as precident for a different rating. Go watch Barbarella and Dragnet, both PG-13 flicks with naked women, but clerks got an NC-17 the first time around for the general tone of the film. It's a fucked system, and I would love to see it go away. Or at least have an alternative to it. Maybe with John Waters, Kevin Smith, Sam Raimi and John Schnieder on the board of judges. Fuck the MPAA, set some guide lines according to what a REAL parent would let their kid watch.

  • Bullies know how to avoid assault and harassment laws in the same way gangsters avoided more serious charges. Which is why you close the loopholes with more direct action. Many criminals avoided convictions but RICO laws changed that. Anti-bullying laws aim to do the same by cutting the red tape and loopholes for current laws that should discourage bullying but don't.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 7:11 p.m. CST

    im a senior in high school now

    by jsfithaca

    i have seen/heard about one instance of physical bullying, and everyone hates and has always hated the kid who did it. the kid who got punched is autistic i think. the reason for this i think is because almost everyone is my town is a raging liberal hippie stoner pussy and bullying is extremely fround upon. mental bullying is used all the time but if a kid starts crying about it, he won't get punched or anything. he might get outcast, but kids will talk shit about him behind their back and be careful what they say around him. this was in elementary school at least. by middle and high school most kids knew how to deal with it. also most of the people who would end up as bullies in my grade are too preoccupied with weed to care. so yea weed is the cure to bullying. owever towns with a pussy base and a nonpussy base will fail miserably, cuz the nonviolent ones will get torn to death.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST


    by GeneralKael

    "Breeder culture is disgusting" - what exactly do you mean? Do you mean anyone who raises bullies or anyone who wants to raise children in general?

  • when I was a kid, Bullying wasn't a "cause" or an "issue" that required awareness, like their or their parent's generation, it was just a part of growing up. Yep, that'll be my war stories.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Why bullying is worse today

    by MrCleanAZ

    Several on this forum have called today's kids "pussies". Well, I agree and disagree... It's not just the kids being bullied that are "pussies" it's everyone. Bullies were more physically violent when I was a kid (I'm 38), however it was easier to see or provide evidence (black eye, etc). Once parents were presented with evidence they would punish their kids - harshly. I know some kids that bullied me got a "beating" from their parents later and that caused it to stop more than me fighting back. Today bullies know they can't easily get away with physical violence. These bullies know more than we did as kids (sex, violence, etc) and use that knowledge as a weapon. When bullies are caught, they deny it and most parents today say "My kid said they didn't do it, so they didn't do it." Everyone backs down and let's the problem continue. Online forums, facebook, etc have added another area where bullies can reach out and strike from. When I was a kid I went home to my Mom and later my Dad would come home - nobody bullied me. Today kids go to after school care (it's the way it is not enough money to have one parent at home) and sometimes the bullies are at after school care too. When they get home email and the Internet provide more ways for outside influences to invade these kids lives. My 7-year-old son was recently accused of bullying (repeatedly). When I talked to him about it he would just say the kids made him angry and he would lose control. Later one of the kids tells their parents that in fact six kids were all verbally bullying my son in order to get him angry and once he'd yell they'd say he was screaming and/or hitting them. Since there were six witnesses saying he did something the teacher would ask my son to "take responsibility" and he did. This is pack mentality. Since the truth came out he hasn't been in trouble once and the kids have left him alone - only because the one kid who spoke up was one of the bullies and only when he explained what happened did the other parents believe.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST

    The problem with their lefty 'solution' to Bullying...

    by tailhook

    is that the bullied become the bullies. Whats their solution? If one person could stand up for another.... and do what? Bully the Bullier into backing down. But then you just have a whole new class of bullies, and there is always a bigger bully. Nobody ever watched My Bodyguard(1980)? Netflix It. Until that person stands up for themselves, it won't stop. The strong will always take advantage of the weak if they can. Regardless of if its one kid bullying another, or lots of kids bullying That Kid.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 8:57 p.m. CST

    A couple of things

    by Jon Serianni

    First, technology is why bullying happens more often. Cellphones, digital cameras, YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook specifically. We live in a society where it is the height of cool to get a video posted to Youtube. Kids have so many other avenues of bullying available to them. As a teacher myself, I find it very difficult to take most of the backlash being directed at my profession. There are a number of reasons. 1. We have no power to do anything about it and that is the fault of the parents who lawyer up and sue every time something is done to punish a kid. I can't tell you how many times parents come in to the office to complain every single time their kids are punished. When I was a kid, my parents always took the side of the school unless I had overwhelming proof otherwise. Today's parents don't require a thing, they just load up the car and come looking for a fight. Second, kids are coddled way too much as it is. Everyone has to be included in every situation. The days of having a close group of friends are dying because God forbid if that group, for whatever reason, doesn't like a kid and doesn't include him...well that's cause for a national alarm. We aren't doing these kids any favors by telling them that once they get outside of those school doors that everyone is going to like them or that everyone is going to be okay with everything they do. The kids are going to be in for rude awakening the first time their boss complains about their work or a coworker doesn't invite them out for a drink after work. Say whatever you want, but real life doesn't work that way. You are going to have to defend yourself and your ideas on any one of multitude of different levels. Everyone doesn't get a trophy and sometimes your best isn't going to be good enough. If these kids could be allowed to just pop a bully in the mouth like the good old days without fear of juvie, a school suspension, and months of therapy, maybe there would be less bullying. These kids need to be toughened up, not hand-held all the way to graduation. Are there times when the school needs to step in? Sure. But there are also times when the kid can fight his own battles.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST

    the way to deal with bullies

    by IndianaPeach

    i remember this kid telling me a story about his dad getting bullied in the lunch line--every day this bully would come up and punch this kid as hard as he could in the arm. solution: the kid lined the inside of his shirt with tacks. problem solved.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 10:31 p.m. CST

    bouncy x I think that was called Columbine...

    by Kalunk

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 10:50 p.m. CST

    It really is cliche to say to "hitting back solves the problem"....

    by The Dum Guy

    But, it is true. The only time I was kinda bullied was when I was 9, and this 13 year old that lived nearby would just give me shit, for no real reason (as an adult I figure he had a bad home life). Long story short, one day he threw some at me and it flew near my head, so I picked up the closest thing to me (a wooden stake of all things) and threw it to fly by his head (I swear I wasn't trying to hit him) and it smacked him right above his left eye. Blood started pooring out and I ran to a neighbors (I thought I put out his fucking eye) to say what happend. He got stitches and never messed with me again, even we he was a senior in High School and I was a freshmen. That being said, if you fight back in school these days, you might not just get kicked out of school, you might also have to go to court, and then be put on probation for it.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 10:52 p.m. CST

    ^should say 'something at me'^

    by The Dum Guy

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Do it, Weinstein Company! The MPAA is a joke.

    by Craig Partain

  • The nonly favour they are doijg is for themselves, not for society. They are parasites.

  • I was a mixture of being very low profile and a sympathetic nice guy, so nobody noticed me much except my close friends. On the negative side, the girls didn't noticed me much either. Oh well! We never had bullying to the extent that you guys have in there. But there seem to be a major increase of bullying in portuguese's schools inthe last few years. Coincidently, with the gradual increasing influence of american culture in my country. Just coincidence?

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 4:21 a.m. CST

    @Weinstein: Just release it online.

    by AshMcQ

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 5:32 a.m. CST

    '06 doc "This Film Is Not Yet Rated" is a must see!

    by ugh

    See the doc and you will truly understand how fucked the MPAA is and see why a doc like "Bully" is getting hosed.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 5:56 a.m. CST

    KingKnut, I agree

    by MisterManReturns

    I recently was on the production crew of a commercial filming in an elementary school. There were about 200 anti-bullying posters on the walls - no exaggeration. I asked the principal if it were indeed a problem, at THAT school. She said absolutely not, but that she was forced by the district, to put them everywhere. Adults get bullied for their entire lives. Kids must learn how to deal with it, or they will be in for a disturbed existence. OBVIOUSLY, I'm not talking about extreme situations - but general "bullying"? Welcome to the world of humans.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 5:59 a.m. CST

    And, yes, the Weinsteins are horrendous bullies.

    by MisterManReturns

    Nasty, actually. Having seen HW's behavior in person, I can only find this whole scenario absolutely ridiculous.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 6:16 a.m. CST

    And this is why USA is Fucked Up.

    by David Smith

    Sadistic gratuitous voilence and gore no prob, honest reality that could teach kids i thing or 2, You cant see that cos their is swearing in it and only bad grown up people swear, Right!!!!

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 8:06 a.m. CST

    it is no coincdience that this story surfaces...this weekend

    by emeraldboy

    its the oscars. the artist was backed by the weinsteins. when kate winslet picked up an acting award for the reader. she forgot to thank harvey weinstein. next time she picked up an award for the reader she didnt forget!

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 9:40 a.m. CST

    as someone who has been bullied early on in life..

    by emeraldboy

    my observation is that it is condoned and tolerated by society. i would say approved also. once upon a time there was a female teenager from cork. she kept a diary which was posthumously published. after she killed herself. the coroner said that it was suicide but her mum said that her daughter had been bullied to death. the community rallied round the parents of bullies of the and campaigned insued to get the mum of the victim to be quiet. the diary of this victim showed that everyone was in on the bullying from school, friends of the bullies, community etc etc etc..

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST

    d.vader, well wonder no more, man. Slough, Berkshire in da hooooouse!

    by Talkbacker with no name

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Larry Clark's "Bully"

    by DukieMichaelNamondRandy

    brad renfro, rachel miner, bijou philips, michael pitt, daniel franzese, leo "johnny" fitzpatrick and kelli garner join together in KILLING nick stahl, the titular Bully, all together in one movie set in the entitled teenage brat sector of Florida? Amazing film. Unlike any I've seen before, alienating and dark and believable minus a couple details. Clark has made BS like "Wassup Rockers", sure, but this one hit the nail on the head. Watch it and you'll never want to bully anyone in the slightest....or rape them while watching gay male porn *spoiler alert*.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    if actual kids watched this...

    by DukieMichaelNamondRandy

    ...I could imagine some of the bullies laughing and relating to what the other bullies in the movie say. They don't give a fuck. and then when some kid comes into school and goes ballistic and shoots them, stabs them, punches them...the bully will be like "that wasn't my fault." In a way, Columbine was a blessing for my generation in that it stopped that bullshit cold for a few years.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Nordling can't satisfy his wife in bed

    by nordling

    His penis is too small and he's gay.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST

    @fustfick bullies are actually narcissistic.

    by cookiemunstahh

    Hmm... it's funny you call them "narcissistic snowflakes" when bullies would actually be the ones who are narcissistic. NPD is primarily defined by a distinct lack of empathy for others. And the hilarious thing is that if you criticize bullies they will fight you (or shift blame, etc etc. some aggressive coping mechanism) because they cannot take criticism. The reason why people who are bullied get emo is because they BELIEVE what the bullies say. So actually they are taking criticism, they are just taking it more personally/emotionally most people. Also kids have a higher prevalence of bullying because narcissism is a part of childhood... you are supposed to grow out of it... but as you and I both know, some people don't grow out of that narcissism and VOILA you have adult douchebags, work bullies, bullying bosses, etc.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    This MUST be shown in schools.

    by DanteCubit

    If this shows the true lives of bullies and their victims and has the affect of reducing bullying and victim suicides, then I think bleeping out words will in no way take away the impact of this effort. Look at it this way: "Schindler's List" was rated "R" for good reason. However, NBC played the film uncut on national television because the subject matter was IMPORTANT. I feel that this movie could still get an "R" rating and STILL be shown to school kids. "Schindler's List" was (is?) regularly shown to school-aged kids. Whatever this movie is rated, I feel it will find its audience.

  • so ending your comment with an "lol" is seriously fucked.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Columbine - Bullies LOL

    by tailhook

    Anyone who thinks it had anything to do with bullying didn't look into the facts of the case. Both Harris and Klebold wanted to kill hundreds that day, and when that failed they simply went around shooting whoever was left that they did not like. The police at the time had massive responsibility for letting it go on for as long as they did. At the time, they were erroneously taught to secure the scene and wait for the SWAT team. The SWAT team was taught to meticulously clear room by room which took lots of time. Since then, Police now understand that the proper method is to actively engage the shooter as quickly as possible. By actively engaging the shooter and at the least tying him down you break his cycle of carnage and give him something to focus on other than shooting people. If you don't take him out and at the least pin him down, it allows people time to a) get out and b) for backup to arrive. But he's no longer shooting people, but having to deal with Police. This fell down at VT because the shooter was able to effectively isolate himself long enough to do what he needed to do. You can also bet in the wake of Virginia Tech that police now have certain small explosives on hand with which they can use to quickly break through barriers. But still... don't be an ignoramus and think that Bullying was the cause of Columbine. It wasn't. The cause of Columbine was two kids who lost their minds and wanted to commit the worst massacre(in the hundreds) in school history in order to be infamous.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 5:14 p.m. CST


    by Damnyou


  • Feb. 25, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST

    I hate bullying, and more should be done to prevent it.

    by gotilk

    But you all know that if the rules they make and the punishments they enact become too extreme, those very same tools will be used to actually BULLY people. Bullies have to be singled out and exposed. Simple, effective, but VERY unpopular. My sixth grade teacher dealt with it best. One day he just stops class after he sees the resident bully picking on the effete kid in class. He grabs the bully and puts him in front of the class. Basically he explains what a bully is to us, and instructs the class to keep an eye on the effete kid. And every time someone sees the bully pick on him, he gives them permission to hit the bully on the back of the head without getting in trouble. But only once. And not hard, just like a wake up tap. By the end of the day, he was getting tapped left and right, just for the hell of it, but he was cut down to size and eased up from then on. And the other kids would watch out for the bullied kid, too. The class became protective of him. If a teacher did that today, the bully would go home and cry about it to his bully parents and the teacher would get fired. It's not the only kind of intervention, of course, but hell... it's one of a billion ways to properly deal with a bully. Problem now is, too many people think it IS a rite of passage... or it *builds character*. Bullshit. It's tradition, nothing else. You had it that way, so you think others should too or else they won't be as well-adjusted and equipped for the *real world* as you are. Nonsense. The *real world* is bullshit. It is what you make of it. And much of what comprises this real world is not worth preserving anyway. The REASON the problem exists is because we keep perpetuating this idea that things cannot change, and use that as an excuse NOT to try to change it. What disgusts me most about all of it is that EVERY one of those adults know exactly which kids are the bullies and which are being bullied. Yes, most of these bully kids are abused kids. But talk about building character!! If they are forced to take responsibility for their actions NOW instead of later, they could be kept out of the prison system ferchrissakes. And they cannot any longer use the excuse that they don't have the ability to watch the kids at every moment. The local jr and sr High here in town where I am is built by a company that usually builds prisons. It's an actual panopticon, with glass walled classrooms all viewable from a central and elevated position in the middle of the building. They know where every kid is at all times and have video surveillance everywhere. Perhaps the problem is that the really effective bullies and the ones that enable them or egg them on are allowed to succeed and rise to positions in our society in which they supervise our children. There are more sociopaths out there than you would assume, and many of them are in management, cops, principles, politicians. If you have kids, the best thing you can do to prevent bullying is to insist that your kids be the ones that won't put up with it around them. To explain to them how powerful it will be for them to stick up for these kids. Because most kids don't want to see bullying, but are just afraid of being the next target. The more refuse to just accept it and say nothing, the better it will get. I got bullied, but it was always for the first few weeks in a new place.(I moved a lot) Then I'd pick out the biggest one and humiliate him physically in front of others, and it would be over. Not every kid can do that. And every time it happened (except for once, off-campus) I got in BIG trouble for fighting back. The most humiliating day of my life was the day I made fun of a mildly mentally handicapped kid. I made him cry, and it just destroyed me. A girl I liked observed the whole thing, too. I was humiliated and spent the rest of the year apologizing to the kid and trying to make his life at school easier. But I was confused, because after that day, I actually had more friends than before. And I wasn't sure that it was because I was trying to make up for what I'd done. See, with a small group of people, behind this kid's back (until that last day) I'd made up this entire comedy routine around his behavior. And all these people were just laughing their asses off over it. Then I finally get the nerve to present my cruel comic genius to the kid himself and it just destroys him. I mean, it was more like his heart was broken. I'm just built to be nice and friendly with everyone, right up front, right away. He must have assumed that I liked him and would have never done such a thing to him. He must have felt betrayed. And he was. To this day, I regret that more than anything I have ever done and will flash back to it until the day I die. I will never forget it. But being cruel to that kid improved my social status in some way, and I've gone over it in my head so many times trying to figure out why and my only conclusion is that people admire strength no matter the context, on some primal level. And as long as they are not the target of your display, you will get some kind of social benefit through display of power over others. The more we as a society stare that truth in the face and examine it for its risk and benefits, and figure out what we are willing to give up about ourselves in order to try and combat it, the closer , I think, we will be to fixing bullying. Maybe kids can do role playing in class and talk about these things more. Maybe that won't work. Maybe it's not fixable. But we have to try don't we?

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 7:41 p.m. CST

    My boss is a bully

    by JackSlater4

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 7:47 p.m. CST

    tailhook is right about Columbine.

    by gotilk

    One of the kids (Eric) actually used to pick on handicapped kids. But don't let that story make you think that school shootings don't have anything to do with bullying. They usually do. And post-trauma testimony is almost always unreliable, yet is treated with respect and believed almost always.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST

    gotlik, that was a great post, my friend.

    by Bobo_Vision

    I actually just typed out a really long similar example of my own....but then deleted it. I'm going to save it for my memoirs.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 8 p.m. CST

    And on other school shootings...

    by gotilk

    One of the most quoted experts on the issue (Langman) has been HEAVILY criticized by his peers for saying that many of the shooters he writes about were *picked on* instead of bullied. Not exactly a scientific opinion, is it? Yet he presents his materials as scientific. That's the main criticism. In order for his hypothesis to be understood, or accepted, he actually has to begin his book by re-defining bullying itself. Again, not very scientific. I found his work to have an air of politics that made me uncomfortable. While the Columbine shooters may not have been your garden-variety bullied kids, the way their story has been presented throughout the years has many times felt more political than factual. The fact remains that the theory that being bullied had NO part in the Columbine shooting (or others) relies far too much on the testimony of those most let off the hook by that being the case. So just try to take it with a grain of salt, if you can. There's no doubt at least Eric was extremely disturbed, but try not to forget that we will never know the whole story. Skepticism is appropriate.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Thanks, that stuff can be hard to admit publicly.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 8:07 p.m. CST


    by Bobo_Vision

    I actually want to share it, but being completely honest here....and it might sound conceded...but I'm afraid that if I post it here, some screenwriter will put it in a movie because my example is pretty unusual. I want to put it in a book eventually.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 8:16 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I know what you mean. Probably best.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 9:49 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I agree. I should have had sex with your teacher. And we all should have gone on a nerf shooting spree at SyFy headquarters when they took SGU off.

  • and develop their own rating system to compete, and make it available to newspapers in advance by just a few days, just drop it on them. Let the ratings board rate the DVD/Blu releases instead. Nothing says they have to be allowed to dictate the entire industry for all time. With ad dollars as bad as they are right now, the MPAA would be powerless against them. They are at a unique point in time right now that would make striking out at them possible and perhaps rid our world of these antiquated ratings. Papers cannot afford to turn down ad revenue. As far as the theater chains go, if they were approached by just a handful of the major distributors, they would have to listen and then everyone else would follow. 17-18 is an unrealistic cut-off for restricted films. 15 is a little more realistic. Pipe dream.

  • and that it prepares them for the real world, and the workforce has no sympathy either. however, its not like you are going to be constantly punched and beaten up at ur job. while verbal bullying is definently neccessary to prepare you for life, physical bullying dosen't.

  • Feb. 26, 2012, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Some minor thoughts...

    by Gearfree

    Gotta leave some comments about other comments on bullying. Primarily due to overall expectations on what to expect on bullies and the such. Way back when in the land of the late 90's early 00's I was a full on bully magnet. If only for the general pleasure these sado-masocists took in pissing me off. They loved it when I was about to get angry and consider punching. It was a joy from the weak and calm guy they saw at a distance and for the most part they got away with it. Sure they got pulled in front of a teacher or in a few cases principals, but for the most part someone else took over the manners of making class time hellish from time to time. Short version: I may be working a borderline minimum wage job now, but I'm more then content with the fact that the majority of them are convicted felons now. As for the "todays teens are pussys" comment, thank the internet for that. Its more psychological torment now with a classmates cellphone/home number a good search engine away. There have always been suicides, but the factors changed to make them more recognizable. The kids got clubs for GLBT and the such, recognizing they are different earlier. Might give this a look, the rating for this will likely hit 14A up here in Canada. A tad more ok with cursing in films and general horror.