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Published at: Feb. 24, 2012, 2:49 a.m. CST

Big “Fringe” tonight with Nina Sharp AND The Observers AND David Robert Jones AND a horny Olivia Dunham hopped up on massive doses of Cortexiphan.

Plus Peter Bishop gets to hang out in the brain of an Observer!

Fox says of “The End of All Things,” the last Fringe until March 23’s “A Short Story About Love”:

Peter and the Fringe team take extraordinary measures in an attempt to stop life-threatening events.

The big news?

We learn who The Observers are.

And we learn why they’re so dang interested in Peter Bishop.

As I say. Big episode tonight.

The slightly smaller news is we are deriving tremendous benefit from the ridiculously long “Mad Men” hiatus, as Jared Harris is spectacular tonight as Jones.

The legendary David "Furious" Fury (“Buffy,” “Angel,” “Lost,” “24,” etc. etc. etc.) scripts.

End of teaser: “Yes, I believe this will work nicely.”

Another non-Walter line: “I really have to pee and I can’t miss anything.”

Those interested in how tonight’s episode ends had better know how to utilize invisotext. “I’m going home.”

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  • These guys have been in every episode, somewhere. Like a living easter egg. Ever since their first appearance, where I thought they were mole-men like a subterranean race, who had devolved having sensitive taste buds because who wants to taste dirt and worms... anywho, they've been one of the shows most enduring and more obvious mysteries. Good to see they're finally answering it. Any last minute theories? Future men? Time travellers? A super-Time-Agency, like Marvels' Time Variance Authority? Just.. don't be mole men.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 3:36 a.m. CST

    What if they made a Star Wars TV show like SPARTACUS?

    by TopHat

    Mwuahahahahahahahaha

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 4:15 a.m. CST

    I think the Observers are inter-dimensional beings

    by gotilk

    who are possibly not entirely organic. They live *between* things in time and space in a sort of constant state and they must go to great lengths to sort of *step into* our world or any world. And use great amounts of energy to do it. But my favorite theory is that Walter and Belly were somehow responsible for their evolution or existence.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 4:17 a.m. CST

    By the way, Ursid is magnificent this season.

    by gotilk

    She's really becoming one of the more interesting characters on the show. Both versions of her.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 4:17 a.m. CST

    Sorry for getting Acrid's name wrong again.

    by gotilk

    Brain fart.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 5:32 a.m. CST

    Observers are time police

    by theGoldbergV

    I expect some wishy-washy explanation like they "make sure the universe is in balance" or something. I just hope it's something cooler. I'd love it if they were revealed to be the real villains of the series though

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 6:16 a.m. CST

    Uh, that episode of Life & Times of Tim...

    by Bullet_time_Facehugger

    It's been on demands for a few days, I know cause I watched it on tuesday. It's also not listed on HBO tonight. Are we sure this didn't already air?

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 6:38 a.m. CST

    The Asterix episode a couple of weeks ago was very good.

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    More Astor please!

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 7:51 a.m. CST

    crixus vs gannicus

    by Valenni

    It's gonna be a biggie!!!

  • For example, how many viewers do you think, know what happened to Crixus and Oenomaus?

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Fringe

    by MegaBeth

    Wow the ratings are horrible for Fringe. It is definitely gone after this year.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 10:02 a.m. CST

    I quit Fringe when everybody got amnesia.

    by tomandshell

    They threw all the established character/relationship development out the window and I no longer cared enough to watch. Peter is gone and nobody remembers him. Then Peter is back and still nobody remembers him. To heck with that.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 10:20 a.m. CST

    How did they Gannicus back into the arena?

    by masteryoda007

    Holy shit

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Fringe is getting stronger again

    by masteryoda007

    Last weeks ep was the best of the series....so far. Apart from Walter White has there ever been a better Walter character on tv?

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST

    I'm betting on visitors from the Prime dimension.

    by cookylamoo

    Both Earths are a "reflection" of their world, and a pale one at that, which is why everything seems bland to them.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 10:26 a.m. CST

    I know what you mean but fuck it it is tv, and it is awesome tv!

    by masteryoda007

    The real story is very interesting but hey its been read many before. Last weeks slo-mo arm hacking moment was a highlight for me. We need more dead Romans!

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 11 a.m. CST

    what the observers are NOT

    by TheBaxter

    they are not the presidents of the Hair Club for Men.... and they definitely are not clients.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Cookylamoo....

    by meCPS

    Sounds like the premise of the late Roger Zelazny's "Chronicles of Amber" where all worlds were considered shadows of the one true world. I like it.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Exactly - Amber is where I got the idea from.

    by cookylamoo

    I would go with them being evolved humans from the far future except that doesn't account for the blandness of our food. On the other hand, maybe food is simply spicier in the future.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    TV's greatest Walter.....

    by cookylamoo

    Disney.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    My vote is with cooky...

    by Billyeveryteen

    My gut says it'll be way suckier than that.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Hoping for Awesomeness

    by You Have MY Voice

    In Abrams' last two high-concept series (ALIAS and LOST), once they got around to the Big Reveals, the results were...underwhelming. And I say that as a big LOST fan who was somewhat satisfied with the finale. So while I am stoked about tonight's FRINGE in anticipation of a "game-changer" involving the secrets of the Observers and I WANT those secrets to be cool and wow-inducing...I'm also slightly pessimstic about the show actually sticking this particular landing. I really hope we're all pleasantly surprised and awed.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Observers move at super-speed?

    by cookylamoo

    That would explain the "catch a bullet trick", the way they disappear and maybe the food problem.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Fringe: Make or Break

    by monkey_tamer

    I love me some Fringe and cannot wait for tonight's episode. But I have a feeling this may be THE "make-or-break it" episode, not only of the season, but for the series for most fans. I’ve enjoyed the ride so I’m in until the end no matter what, but I can see a lot of people throwing in the towel depending on how things come out tonight. The Observers are the last of the original pieces of show that are going to get some type of explanation. Like almost anything, if they have waited this long the writers better have a hell of reveal. Otherwise, probably better to leave them a mystery (though we all know that would never fly for most fans either). Sort of a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don’t scenario. I have always appreciated how the creators of Fringe constantly call back to prior episodes and seasons. It makes me think that maybe… just maybe… they really do have this all planned out and at some point will drop a bomb that will tie everything (all the worlds, timelines, different characters, etc.) into some type of cohesive whole. Hell, even if they failed in the execution, as long as they TRIED to do that I would give them major props. I just hope tonight’s episode is a step in that direction.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 3:10 p.m. CST

    They're on Earth to sue Stan Lee and Jack Kirby

    by tangcameo

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST

    I believe that the Observers ARE the connective glue to the worlds

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    They are able to not only jump around time, but also jump dimentions, so rather then Observers world 1 & 2 being separate from world 3 & 4 its just one group of obsservers that can jump from one to the other. Also they are time/dimention cops who regulated everything that happens.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 6:12 p.m. CST

    I hope the answers on Fringe tonight

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    . . .are actually 1) answers, unlike those episodes on Lost where we just got tossed more questions, and 2) decent answers, unlike those episodes on Lost where the answers were fundamentally disappointing. Like, why was Walt so special? No reason. Or why is Locke so important? He actually isn't, people just thought he was because of a time travel accident. Or what is the smoke monster? Just some arbitrary evil villain we decided to create at the last second. Ugh.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST

    David Morrissey cast as the Governor!!!!

    by syn_flood

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Why haven't we seen the alternate version of GENE THE COW?!

    by Gene Cowan

    I expect that to be answered tonight as well.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Also, Jared Harris become one of my fav actors on TV

    by Gene Cowan

    Between this and Mad Men, he's pretty fun to watch.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    by CMM

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Need help here from anyone regarding Fringe:

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Whoops. Really need help now

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    Missed the episode. So what the heck are the observers? Why Peter Bishop? <p> Anyone?

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Worst. Episode. Ever.

    by Amfpsych

    IMO I just hated this episode of fringe. The acting seemed off, as if no one knew exactly how to react at any revelation. Absolutely nothing I felt was satisfying about the ep.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 10:41 p.m. CST

    @burnednotice_dude: Here's the basic rundown

    by cookepuss

    The Observers represent one possible evolutionary path for humanity, somewhere in the distant future. The group we're seeing are a science team and each one of them goes by a code name, one of them being September - the thin guy who got shot and predicted Olivia's death. Their technology is so advanced that they can enter and exit linear time, existing in one time or all times at once. Remember that scene in the past where Walternate was trying to cure Peter, turned around to see the Observer, and thought that his cure was a failure even when it wasn't? That was a turning point. September, the Observer in question, wasn't supposed to be noticed. He got a little too curious and, because of that, accidentally screwed up the future. In the new timeline, Peter would have a child with Olivia, Henry. However, that child would sprout forth from the union of Peter and the WRONG Olivia. Because of that, the Observer's very existence has been threatened. September has been trying to play cleanup and fix things, but he keeps on making matters worse. With Walter's help, Peter found this out by entering the dying September's mind. Peter also confirmed his worst fear. He doesn't know exactly how or why, but the Olivia we see is NOT his Olivia. She may be taking on Olivia Prime's memories and personalities, but Peter fears that it is an echo of his own memories or some collective unconscious thing. Peter believes that the only way he can set things right is to get back to his home reality. From there, maybe the Observers' future will spring forth as it should have. That was just a small part of the episode though. Some of the other highlights include: 1. Broyles & Lincoln grilling Nina over the stolen Cortexifan (sp) and the location of the missing Olivia 2. David Robert Jones threatens to torture Nina unless Olivia can't user her powers to light the lights in that wooden box. Previously, Jones had done that to expose her ability to cross worlds. Since Olivia can do that already, nobody knows why he's pushing her powers again. He claims that she's way more powerful than simply being a human remote control or dimensional teleporter. 3. Olivia discovering that the Nina in being held captive with her is a fake, possibly a dupe from another parallel world. Olivia figured this out by duping the fake Nina into believing that she had partial memory loss. When Nina filled in her past with the wrong details..... fake Nina unmasked. 4. After failing to get the results he wanted, Jones discovers that Olivia is more easily able to use her powers when she feels that Peter is threatened. September, in an effort to set things right, leads Peter into a trap where Jones' people will drag him to Olivia's location. 5. Jones proceeds to threaten the now captive Peter in an effort to get Olivia to light one light. Olivia lights up the whole damn box. More than that, she screws over the electricity in the entire compound. She even manages to get one of the broken light fixtures to throw a bolt of lightning at one of Jones' men, frying him to a crisp. That act leaves her drained and dizzy, but alive. 6. They, Peter and Olivia, chase down Jones and the faux Nina, with the latter escaping through a dimensional door. Olivia shoots Jones to prevent him from crossing. SURPRISE!!! The gunshot does nothing. A side effect of Jones being rebuilt atom by atom is that he's now pretty much impervious to bullets. Jones gets away. 7. Now safe, Peter has a heart to heart with Olivia. She still believes that she's his Olivia. How she doesn't know though. Peter, because of his experience with September, is convinced that this is still not his Olivia. He rebuffs her and basically says that he's going to double his efforts to get home. That's about it. A couple of lines for Walter and Astrid, but it was a Peter/Olivia/September episode.

  • Feb. 24, 2012, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Reviewer at AVClub called this week's Spartacus

    by buffywrestling

    the best episode of TV of has seen this year. http://www.avclub.com/articles/libertus,69700/

  • Maybe I blinked and missed it, but did we get a real reason why Ashur turned on Lucretia? It seemed awfully quick for the writers to toss out her faux divine intervention scheme. It's almost as if the writers changed their minds mid-script. That didn't leave me feeling too great. I also didn't like it that they repeated so much of that opening scene when they returned to the present. It seemed like a relative waste of time. I also feel that Gannicus was was criminally misused this episode. I'll be happy if they do more with him later, but I don't think that he was reintroduced to the arena in proper fashion. Simply being broke and looking to give that trio a gladiator worthy death wasn't enough. He needs his own episode. We need to find out where he's been in the years since Gods of the Arena and how the life of a free man has managed to beat him down. Last we saw, he was carefree and cocky. Now, he's just broken and sad. This episode was the wrong one in which to bring him back. It was also a really bad bit of continuity to have Seppia be so squeamish last episode, yet have her cheering with glee for this episode's eviscerations. Either she's squeamish or she's not. Either last episode was out of character for her or this one is. That bit didn't sit right with me. This episode was fun, fast paced, and dramatic, but there have been better episodes in seasons 1 & 2. It was fairly light on characterization, eschewing it for big ass action sequences. This ep was a solid 7.5, but not a point more.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Rsanta

    by Amfpsych

    Gotta disagree. It seemed so obvious which Nina was bad and even more obvious that Olivia was testing her about the past. The writing seemed kinda silly the whole episode.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Also

    by Amfpsych

    The fight scene and olivia's "convulsions" were high school level bad

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 12:32 a.m. CST

    did the peter/olivia make sense? (spoiler)

    by Rinse

    if the timeline had not been spoiled by september, walternate would have found the cure for peter, and peter would have survived and stayed in the other universe... and therefore have his baby with fauxlivia.. right? so even with september's accidental intervention, fauxlivia having peter's child is still the correct outcome, no? yes? whatever.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Rinse: If Peter had been saved

    by jocutus

    If Peter had been saved by Walternate in the other universe, they never would have had the blight and worm holes opening up from Walter's cross-over attempt. Walternate would never have lost his son to an invader, or become a hate filled Sec of Defense wary of another universe. There would be no alt-verse Fringe division (no fringe events happening) and Peter and Fauxlivia might never have met over there. But blu-verse Walter and Belly would have probably done cortexaphan trials anyway since they were aware of the other universe all along. Olivia would still be activated by the drug and eventually would have crossed over using her powers to meet Peter over there and unite the two 'verses in peace love and understanding with baby Nugget, er, I mean Henry.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Such a great episode

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    and I loved how it tyed so many things together, how it touched on the Pilot and episodes of season one with olivia going into John Scotts Mind, also Jones invulnerabilty. I thought sure after Olivia shot Jones to no effect that Peter was going to try to ether deactivate the portal or cut Jones in half again. I also love how they referenced the future and alternate futures. Which makes me wonder, How far into the future were the Observers? As far at Peter went when he jumped to the future, further, before that? I know that its a different time line.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 1:45 a.m. CST

    fringe was a bit underwhelming...

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    during the reveal, i felt like i was watching an adjustment bureau sequel... but good to see i was right about how september being shot was happening at the same time (but at two different times for the characters perceiving time linearly) also was the bad nina, or "cuntina", a shapeshifter or the universe 4 nina?

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 1:51 a.m. CST

    room23

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    i forgot about the "future". so that means Fringe has 5 universes that we know of (unless somehow things are fixed and Peter goes back to his universe and then it leads to the "future") i was also expecting some portal slicing. i was thinking olivia wouldve shot the device instead of him, but looks like writers want to save him for the rest of the season

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Yeah, but then we wouldn't have Jared Hess awesomeness for the rest of the season.

    by room23storeblogspotcom

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 2:46 a.m. CST

    rsanta74

    by FastEddie8139

    The last time we saw Gannicus he was already broken and sad. He'd betrayed his best friend and the woman he loved was dead because of it. We don't need to know how he's spent his time since to know why he's not right in the head.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 4:14 a.m. CST

    I pity the fool who doesn't watch Spartacus.

    by Volllllume3

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 4:28 a.m. CST

    rsanta

    by King Sweyn Forkbeard

    "It was also a really bad bit of continuity to have Seppia be so squeamish last episode, yet have her cheering with glee for this episode's eviscerations. Either she's squeamish or she's not" <P> Big difference between watching someone else do it from a distance and having a sword in your hand and having to do it yourself.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Spartacus tonight.....HOOOOLEEEEE FUCK!!!

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    That was one hell of an episode. Daaaaayum!!! I never thought they would be able to improve on the goodness that was season 1 and the prequel mini-series- especially with no Batiatus there this season, but hot damn they just went all oooooouuuut. SPOILERS: The collapse of the arena was a little comical with the bad CGI people, but man, that last visual of Spartacus looking back as it came down behind him....... Cray-hay-zeeee. There will be words to be had between Gannicus and Doctore next episode, and I can't wait. Not to mention Glaber back in the saddle. with Ilythia.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Soo... Some time tourist steps on a butterfly effect and stuff?

    by Billyeveryteen

    I think I'd rather have hair and tastebuds.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST

    The 7 Million Dollar Man on Fringe

    by PastePotPete

    Steve Austin's one time nemisis played Jones toadie last night on Fringe. Gotta be an inside joke there...

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    The thing about Spartacus...

    by Volllllume3

    Is that it goes all out regardless of the consequences. The Walking Dead can learn a thing or two about how to move a story FORWARD.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 10:32 a.m. CST

    SPARTACUS WAS FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST

    You Guys Really Liked The magic CGI Answer Room?

    by Crow3711

    Yeesh. That was the kind of silly shit LOST would have been fucking CRUCIFIED for had they gone that route. Boring, senseless expositional "answers" that don't drive the story or tell us anything important. This is why the glowing love cave got "the source of all life" and nothing else. You get enough to understand and fill in your own blanks, without sitting around hashin out midichlorians and inconsequential details. That scene still leaves more questions than answers about observers, not to mention how dramatically boring septembers "mistake" was and the fact this entire show apparently happened because he's a screwup and not because of a plan or meaningful destiny. Like someone said, that was the butterfly effect meets the adjustment bureau, and it was underwhelming as fuck.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST

    I give Them Credit For One Thing Tho

    by Crow3711

    Explaining the missing baby paradox with Henry AND making it feel like an emotional moment that actually mattered to a character I care about. Thank you fringe for answering a question thy actually matters. Poor henry

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    The Magical Cave of Light was terrible

    by DBCOOPER

    And you know it crow. If you think otherwise you have terrible tastes. Lost could have really used some straight forward exposition that ties up the big mystery satisfyingly. What we got on Lost was just more questions, and an entire half of the season that was meaningless (Heaven).

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST

    228 1/2 Morrow Street

    by tangcameo

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST

    So if he just goes home and gets Olivia laid, end of series?

    by tangcameo

    Hopefully that doesn't take a whole 5th season. "In tonight's episode, Peter and Olivia try the rhythm method."

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST

    crow3711

    by Michael Lunney

    After reading your gripes about Fringe for tyhe last few weeks, I have come to the conclusion that no matter what is done with the story for the rest of the season, you will be not be satisfied. It sounds like you fell out of love with a former girlfriend -- you still respect her, but now find fault with her where you formerly found loving intrigue. Oh well. It must hurt. But, some of us still love Fringe as much as you loved Lost, and are willing to go with the flow. It's not a perfect series, but it still has more intelligence and finesse than most genre crap being churned out.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Ilythia

    by Extr3m1st

    Viva Bianca is so goddamn hot, I love her body and the look on her face all the time. Loved seeing Glaber kill her father. And nice to see Crixus doesn't buy it just yet.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    You Might Be Right Mcgoo, I Don't Mean to be Annoying

    by Crow3711

    I just really didn't expect people to respond to that observer scene positively. It just felt so awkward and cheap and, for me, non revelatory. They're future evolved humans. Ok. That still doesn't really answer any questions about theyre purpose or why September got so involved in this debacle. He's observed hundreds of events most likely, maybe more, but this one time he just happened to get too close and got noticed? That's not very interesting if he didn't do it for a reason. He just seems like a fuck up. I'll stop posting here with my complaints though. I don't mean to be a drag. It's not like I'm saying it's become a bad show. I just never felt like I had to "go with the flow" on lost. Even when I didn't understand or fully love certain ideas or twists, I was always engaged in the story because the characters were constants. Fringe, to me, doesn't really have that anymore, which is why peters sadness over No-Henry was such a powerful monent for me.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST

    I loved the creation room scene

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    People complain when how we don't get the answers and then they complain when we finally do that they aren't what they like. TV writers can't win. I don't think that I've ever watched a show where there weren't people who complained about the answers given. Kind of sad really.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST

    I'm not An "Answers" Guy. I Don't Care

    by Crow3711

    Thats why I didn't like the scene. I just didn't care. Tell me a story with characters. Answers are counterproductive to drama in my Opinion. I always knew the "answers" on lost would be underwhelming, and some were, and it didn't matter to me at all, because that's not what I was invested in. The answers on fringe last night weren't even answers. Did we NEED to know the observers were future humans? I'd argue no. It doesn't really matter, and the answer is less interesting than the mystery, so why not just leave it a mystery. Life isn't full of answers and neither should drama. I don't think it's that writers can't win. I let them win. I just don't think it's needed.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    crow3711

    by Michael Lunney

    You aren't annoying - I like to read your comments- but you do seem conflicted: You say: That scene still leaves more questions than answers about observers.... The answers on Fringe last night weren't even answers. Did we NEED to know the observers were future humans? I'd argue no. It doesn't really matter, and the answer is less interesting than the mystery, so why not just leave it a mystery. They're future evolved humans. Ok. That still doesn't really answer any questions about theyre purpose _____________________________ I thought it was explained that they were scientists from one possible future on a mission to observe mankind's beginnings. Good enough for me. Your comments leave me more confused than anything, because you sound like a disenchanted Lost viewer more than a fan of Fringe at this point. You also say: Life isn't full of answers and neither should drama. So September was a fuckup. Like life isn't full of answers, it IS full of fuckups, so humans in the future can still be fuckups, no matter how advanced they become intellectually. I take this as profound simplicity, rather than some overly complicated, detail heavy shoehorned in mess of reasons why there are parallel universes. And you and I both know that what we were told about these future humans is very little, much in the same vein of Lost, as questions were answered, 100 more unanswered questions take the answer's place. Fringe still intrigues me, and I would love to have an episode that takes place entirely in the future scientist's time period, and have that episode have nothing to do with anything else we have seen on Fringe so far. PSSSSTTTT..... I once thought I was losing my lifelong love for film, after seeing one bad film after another back in the 80s, but I got it back, and I can thank Kurosawa for that. Keep the faith, my friend.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST

    crow3711

    by Paladish

    What's in the box?" "Who's behind that door?" "What's the meaning of the hatch?

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Answers

    by Extr3m1st

    I have to say the explanation was a tad underwhelming with respect to the Observers. But seriously, what else could the answer have been that was even remotely plausible? Aliens? Gods? The question I have is what makes Peter so special that witnessing Walter making a cure for his illness warranted an observer to be on the scene in the first place. Peter is only special because an observer interrupted Walternate and started a chain of events that screwed up the timeline and put a universe at risk. I can only surmise that Henry is very important in the future and Peter was always going to end up with our universe Olivia due to Walters experiments on her. She on her own would have eventually went to the other universe and they would have met that way. Is that plausible?

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST

    extr3m1st

    by Michael Lunney

    When it comes to time travel, anything will be possible, but nothing will be plausible.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    This isn't Lost - it isn't about answers and puzzles

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    The essence of Fringe is Peter and Olivia trying to fight an unknown creature while Walter adds comic relief and saves the day. All the big-picture melodramatics just add some spice but aren't essential. By the way it was so stupid in this last episode when neither Peter or Olivia shot or broke the machine the guy was using to create the portal at the end. They had more than enough time.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST

    test

    by Michael Lunney

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Some really GREAT Fringe moments, and some really bad ones

    by chromedome

    The more complete explanation about the observers, their seeming to always be present at "important" events was great. September accidentally interfering, and then his ongoing attempts to fix things was very well done across the arc, well summarized in the episode. Peter's final reaction to the situation made no sense whatsoever: prior to the kidnapping, he believed Olivia was His Olivia. After finding out about the dosing, he began to doubt, which was understandable. But he had already seen that she remembered things from his timeline that he was not even present for. After the mind-meld, he finally stumbled over the fact that "go home" did not mean to his world, but to his literal home. So, as smart as he has always been in this show, he shouldn't have had any trouble figuring out that that September was telling him to save THIS Olivia, that THIS Olivia was HIS Olivia, and THIS Olivia is the one he should have a child with. September TOLD him he had been erased, but somehow managed to come BACK (not appear somewhere else). It is not good writing of a character when he suddenly becomes too stupid to understand the complexities of the situation, when the audience has just had it explained very simply. I think the writers went for a stupid mid-mid-season-hiatus cliffhanger moment that simply does not work on any level. Not really a cliffhanger, makes no sense at all, and they probably hope we won't remember the stupidity clearly after a four week wait. That final scene was a big letdown in an otherwise well done episode.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST

    And yes, I agree: Olivia should have shot the portal device dead.

    by chromedome

    Preferably just as the guy was halfway thru it "in accordance with prophecy" :-)

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Good points chrome

    by Extr3m1st

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST

    The cliffhanger was a bit stupid

    by theGoldbergV

    No you idiot. This IS your Olivia, I deleted you from existence. This is your Olivia as if you didn't exist. Jesus, its not difficult. The audience have known for 14 episodes.

  • Feb. 25, 2012, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Fuckin post system

    by theGoldbergV

    Deletes my entire post and just puts that bit in. This fucking site. That bit above was what September SHOULD have said to Peter. I did write loads more but its all disappeared into whatever shithouse of software this place is built on. Fucking hell AICN sort it out

  • Feb. 26, 2012, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Spartacus;Not without its faults , best episode this season by far.

    by mygirleatsbannanas

  • Feb. 26, 2012, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Loved them both...

    by pumaman

    Fringe & Spartacus were both fucking great

  • Feb. 26, 2012, 9 a.m. CST

    Loved Fringe too, but 4 WEEKS???

    by IceTitan

    Why? Didn't we just have a hiatus a few episodes ago?

  • Feb. 26, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST

    I would guess that we haven't totally seen the end of September

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    Since the Observers jump all around we might be able to see him pre-death. I would also guess that we might get to see the other Observers or whoever did it shot him? It will be interesting to see here on out Peter/Walter/Olivia's dealings with the rest of the Obeservers since they don't like the fact that Peters still in exicistance.

  • Feb. 26, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST

    rsanta74

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    Many, many thanks for the recap. Great appreciated.

  • Feb. 26, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST

    If Fringe were Lost

    by cookylamoo

    In two weeks you would find out that everything September told Joshua was a complete line of bullshit.

  • Feb. 27, 2012, 8:28 a.m. CST

    I'd suggest you stop watching!!!

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    A lot of people have, which is why the show is limping along barely alive. On another subject, still annoys me that Peter was never "deleted from existence". He simply died as a boy which is a big difference. When they talked about being deleted from existence originally that implied to many viewers that he'd never have been born, that he'd never have had any effect on the world at all. But such is not the case.

  • Feb. 27, 2012, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Above title was meant to be a quote

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Somehow the system removed the quotemarks.