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Nordling Says ACT OF VALOR Is Light On Good Filmmaking And Heavy On The Propaganda!
Nordling here.
I debated how to go about writing this review for a few days. Not that this would be a particularly hard review to write - I'm perfectly clear on my feelings for the movie. But I also understand that there's no way that a review for a movie about real Navy SEALS doing real Navy SEAL shit wouldn't get political somehow. So, here goes.
If there ever was a movie called INGLOURIOUS INFIDELS, made by the Al-Queda equivalent of Quentin Tarantino, ACT OF VALOR would be the movie that plays at the theater in the end as the suicide bombers blow up the evil Zionist/American Illuminati rulers of the world. It's full of propaganda, terrible acting, mostly badly shot action scenes, and while there are interesting moments, when the film does shine a light onto an aspect of the military that isn't well known, for the most part, it's a slog. It's full of melodrama where there didn't need to be, and too much of the action is shot through the same shakycam lens that's plagued action movies for years now.
If you scan reviews for ACT OF VALOR, the most common thing that will likely come up is that it's shot very much in the style of first-person shooter games like BATTLEFIELD 3 or the CALL OF DUTY games. It's done like that so often, that during the dialogue scenes where the "plot" is being established, I was looking for the A button. There is a plot, by the way - two old childhood Russian friends, one Jewish, and one radical Muslim, decide to attack America, and the Navy SEALS have to stop their nefarious plot before it reaches our borders. It's a movie that manages to simplify the post-911 world, the immigration debate, and our foreign policy in such a way - sometimes in the same scene! - that anyone with a little bit of current knowledge of world events would find laughable.
Look, I think there's an interesting movie to be made about the SEAL team. In a world of blunt instruments, Navy SEALs are the scalpel. The movie really only came alive for me when the SEALs were plotting out their missions, and the movie takes diligence in explaining to the audience what the plan is, so when the action starts you have some idea of what the SEALs are doing, regardless of the seizure-cam. That is when the movie becomes fascinating, and the way the SEALs use technology with good old-fashioned tactical sense is interesting to watch.
The problem is that someone also asked these guys to act. And they're terrible at it - when the SEALs aren't being debriefed on their mission or carrying it out, we get awkward performances that would make any high school drama teacher wince. Now, I'd never ask Michael Biehn or Charlie Sheen to rescue a hostage or take out Bin Laden, so I might be being a little unfair here, but I think it was a huge mistake to tack on these intimate personal stories of these soldiers' lives when they aren't deployed on a mission. All the wives are completely understanding of their husbands' duties, and when they aren't fighting, the men relax with beers at the beach, families in tow. It's all clichéd stuff, of little value. I understand the movie is trying to paint a kinder, gentler picture of these heroes who fight for our country. But here's the thing - let's be realistic, I know exactly what these guys do for a living. Their job is to get into the places that regular soldiers can't, and do those things that we probably would rather not know about. That's what they do. Is it heroic? That's not a good word to use. I don't call a scalpel heroic - it does what it's supposed to do. It's how that scalpel is used that makes the difference. I respect what Navy SEALs do immensely, but the propaganda about how these men are our heroes is driven home so forcefully and without any subtlety to it that it actually does them and what they do a disservice. Instead, they are the last line of defense in a world gone completely insane, with terrorists around every corner. It's a world Rick Santorum knows a lot about. All that's missing is the Satanic pre-natal care.
When the camera isn't jumping around or looking down the barrel of a weapon, the action actually gets a little interesting. In many of the action sequences, the SEALs use live fire - I'm not sure how that worked when it came time to shoot people, but in one sequence when an armored riverboat unloads onto some bad guys you can tell the difference between the real thing and Hollywood show. The movie makes an effort to show the skills of these men, who can go anywhere in the world in a few hours notice, seemingly effortlessly. But too many times, the filmmaking gets in the way. I liked the Neveldine/Taylor movies of CRANK and CRANK 2, but these directors (Mike McCoy and Scott Waugh) don't treat that style of directing like the gimmick it is and shoot the entire movie like they're embedded. What could have been interesting visually turns into wannabe-BOURNE style filmmaking that takes the audience out of what they're watching.
And then, there's the propaganda. Oh, the propaganda, which makes ACT OF VALOR almost completely insufferable. Here's the tough part of reviewing this - any negativity on the message of the movie is always going to be taken badly by conservative filmgoers who may admire the movie for that aspect. Look, I'm a liberal, but I'm a strong believer of the Bill of Rights, and that includes the Second Amendment. I don't own a gun, and really don't have any interest in doing so, but unlike a lot of liberals I completely believe in the right for all Americans to own guns. But ACT OF VALOR has little tolerance for people like me. You're either with them or against them. The film obviously comes from a conservative viewpoint, and while I don't have a problem with that as a film reviewer - it's all in the execution - it shares its themes in such a clumsy, unsubtle way that I half-expected Glenn Beck to chart out the film on his chalkboard. I would have rather the movie just show these guys doing what they do, without all the hoopla and jargon. BLACK HAWK DOWN is an example of a movie that shows men in combat without having to resort to cheap histrionics and plays for your emotion. This movie wants to be BLACK HAWK DOWN so badly, but the filmmakers don't have a tenth of the skill of Ridley Scott.
The problem I have with this movie - especially in the almost sublimely ridiculous ending, where as we watch a mom feed a little baby in his high chair we hear a voiceover that practically tells the kid, "What the fuck are you doing? Get out of that chair and fucking KILL THINGS UNTIL YOU DIE!" - is that it almost fetishizes dying for your country. Hell, there's no almost about it - it completely fetishizes it. The movie didn't need all that. I don't need to know where a scalpel comes from to know that you can cut deeply with one. There's an interesting movie inside the ridiculous pomposity of ACT OF VALOR, but if you extract it, it's all of 20 minutes. Those 20 minutes are surrounded by incompetent filmmaking, bad acting, and propaganda so thick and syrupy it should be on an IHOP menu. Some people will embrace this movie completely, and good for them. I'm glad they enjoyed it. For me, it was a chore, and until Kathryn Bigelow's movie about SEAL Team Six's killing of Bin Laden opens, the definitive SEAL movie will be Lewis Teague's magnum opus.
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Bitches.
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See what I did thar?
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Feb 23, 2012 9:59:03 PM CST
United 93 and the new Seal Team 6 movie made by the chick who did Hurt Locker are far worse propaganda imo
by awepittance
Act of Valor is clumsily obvious, its not insidious.
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Feb 23, 2012 10:01:05 PM CST
and Nordling, i appreciate that you arent afraid to wear your beliefs on your sleeve
by awepittance
Too often people will accuse that sort of writing style of being 'biased', but in reality 'biased' is just lazy code for someone who has morally disengaged watching someone else put their beliefs out there
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Feb 23, 2012 10:02:10 PM CST
I originally thought this was going to be that Seal Team 6 movie...
by the dum guy
I was really wondering why they would go with an entire cast of non-actors.
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Feb 23, 2012 10:02:23 PM CST
don't worry, there wasn't a conspiracy about Bin Ladens ocean burial, we will get a 100million movie telling us what happened!
by awepittance
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That the teenagers it's aimed at will see through its agenda and not enlist, just in time for a war with Iran
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Feb 23, 2012 10:03:34 PM CST
Were you expecting something else? Of course this is Big Brother telling us to see the beauty and meaning in War.
by ___emperor___
Fuck off Hollywood. Fuck off Big Brother. 9/11 was an inside job, you try-hard cunts.
Almost every imbecile on the street has their suspicions -- so please, quit with the lame propaganda, "damage control" campaign, and start preparing for the time when enough morons on the street decide they don't want to slave around for you wretched pigs anymore.
Yes, you might feed them with some more gadgets, a few big-budget movies here and there, and some porn on tube sites, but eventually, even the dumb old USA Mr Average will kick your old, decrepit white asses out.
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Oops! Corrected.
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He wanted to see the SEALS played by Matt Damon and George Clooney dealing death and destruction to the evil conglomerate of oil companies, Wall Street bankers, Karl Rove, the Vatican, and other capitalist lackeys who are oppressing the 99%.
I suppose you would never consider Redacted, Valley of Elah, Rendition, Brothers, Home of the Brave, Lions for Lambs, Green Zone etc, ad infinitum "propaganda" now would you? -
I would. Don't care for those movies very much either.
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Feb 23, 2012 10:08:23 PM CST
Nordling, it's jingostic, like Red Tails and countless other military films.
by stereotypical evil archer
There's no reason why they showed "the homefront".
It's not just bad acting, it's piss poor acting.
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Feb 23, 2012 10:10:44 PM CST
If a SEAL's mission is to act, that SEAL will fail the mission.
by stereotypical evil archer
How did the SEALs blend in with the Afghan tribes if they can't even act in a movie?
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Feb 23, 2012 10:11:25 PM CST
when it said that it stars actual navy seals i was prepared for this to suck
by antonphd
i am dissapointed, because i was looking forward to a bad ass navy seals movie
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If that is not called ripping a new asshole I don't know what is...
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Would you consider The Tillman Story propaganda?
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Ha! No worries. Just anticipating the inevitable.
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i am a liberal and i have to come to the defense of conservatives here. this doesn't sound like a conservative movie. it just sounds like an idiot racist movie. what the fuck.
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Feb 23, 2012 10:16:56 PM CST
Absolute fucking trainwreck. A friend of mine who saw it said it reminded him of the worst first person shooter cut scenes he's ever seen.
by elgato73
Yeah, this is why they pay actors to act and Navy SEALS to fucking kill, not act. If they wanted to do this, then do it right. Get actors to be the SEALS and have the US Navy front it like they did here. Just like Top Gun. But fucking get a better script first, okay.
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That movie has not aged well at all! If u liked it back in the early 90's, try watching it now.
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Feb 23, 2012 10:21:09 PM CST
Apparently, Navy SEALS can't act. But what they really want to do is DIRECT!!!
by mr. nice gaius
Truth.
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Feb 23, 2012 10:28:02 PM CST
Katheryn Bigelow will definitely not be the one to deliver a
by ravenink
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Feb 23, 2012 10:32:35 PM CST
Well, appreciate your straightforward honest response Nordling.
by stargrove
It's the disingenuous lefty critics who strain the limits of their credibility because they let their politics supercede their professionalism that need a boot to their ass.
Roger Ebert, for example, admitted that AoV was exciting and well-made, but he refused to give it a positive review. His excuse was that the characters weren't very well-developed. Fine, but this was the same Roger Ebert who gave four stars to the anti-American "Green Zone", because apparently that movie had such well-developed characters ...uh-huh riiiiight. -
-Rickety Cricket
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Made with influence from the White House.
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Couldn't say actually since I haven't seen The Tillman Story but, as a general rule, I trust nor believe anything that Hollywood purports to be an "informative" piece of work.
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Or did you keel over in mid-post?
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Feb 23, 2012 10:41:01 PM CST
And taking shots at Santorum shows you couldn't be objectie
by gumbyandpokey
Why take shots at Santorum? I don't think he had anything to do with this movie. How can a critic be trusted to be objective about a movie's quality regardless of it's political slant if he/she makes snarky out of place remarks about a politician he despises? This could have been the most effective action movie ever and I don't think you could put your partisanship aside. Ebert gave the horrifically bad movie Redacted 4 stars just because he agreed with the political POV.
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Feb 23, 2012 10:41:15 PM CST
This movie could have just as easily been called, Call of Duty: The Movie and they would have made more money.
by orionsangels
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Feb 23, 2012 10:44:34 PM CST
dcut75 - Agreed. Everyone should see THE TILLMAN STORY.
by mr. nice gaius
The interviews and testimonials of the family members should not be missed.
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...not voting for Obama a second time, and feeding any propaganda machine that irks the moral superiority of the left. Suck it Haters.
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The shaky cam and FP shots are the final nail in the coffin. The trailers have been horrible and it looks like general garbage.
What I'm real tired of are the guys claiming the politics of these movies... The people making this are just as liberal as the people who make Green Zone. My serious issues is that even one moron out there thinks Green Zone is anti-American is too much. So wait... A movie trying to show how bull shit the Iraq war was and how it started isn't anti-American it's just right. If you can't see that it doesn't make you conservative, it makes you a blind moron. -
Nordling is a guy who thinks it makes him intellectual to trash anything remotely conservative because it's been the hip thing to do since Adam.
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You guys keep trying to use Ebert's reviews as some sort of proof. So he liked Redacted and you claim it's because of politics... But that doesn't go in reverse? Some guy on here is pumping up the fact he's going to see it and then bashes liberals and other movies... So wait if you blindly like AOV it's fine and not political... But Redacted? No way that movie is shit unless you like the politics of it. Bull shit. A bad movie is a bad movie. Pointing out the fact AOV is a piece of shit isn't political and has nothing to do with liberal and conservative it's just calling the movie for what it is... A piece of shit.
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I think you may be missing the point. You seeing this movie, this movie being successful, that's not really what anyone is against. The fear is that this could reduce the reality of war. Making it look really cool with big explosions and soldiers sliding across the floor shooting terrorists. High lighting The "honor" of dying in combat. The fact is the military is spread thin, too thin to fight another war, this time with Iran. This movie is perfectly timed, don't think for second it's not. The U.S. gov needs fresh troops. When you say "Suck it haters" you take a very grave situation, with countless real human lives at stake, and reduce it to the importance of a football rivalry. Do you know anyone who was killed in Iraq? Well I did. And for what? This is real life, boy. Vote against Obama, that's your right, but if you're going to see this film to spite the left, you have some growing to do as a human being.
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The difference is that Ebert (and a critic in general) is being paid to give an objective, unbiased review. His severe political partisanship has gotten in the way of being able to do his job, imo.
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Feb 23, 2012 11:06:00 PM CST
Green Zone is anti-American bullshit because it's based on a leftist fantasy.
by stargrove
The film’s plot is rooted in a conspiracy theory that is no more factual or logical than 9/11 Trutherism.
To believe the idea that the United States government lied to the world to depose Saddam Hussein in an effort to steal Iraq’s natural resources requires a lack of intellect and critical thinking that only somebody who believes what they see in fake movies is FACT! would fall for. -
Feb 23, 2012 11:06:52 PM CST
"if you're going to see this film to spite the left...you have some growing to do as a human being.
by gumbyandpokey
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Feb 23, 2012 11:06:52 PM CST
"if you're going to see this film to spite the left...you have some growing to do as a human being.
by gumbyandpokey
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Does "if you're going to see this film to spite the left, you have some growing to do as a human being" also hold true for the lefties who go to Michael Moore's movies to spite the Right?
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Yes. Don't assume I'm a democrat.
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It must have worked wonders for ATLAS SHRUGGED and THE UNDEFEATED...
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Feb 23, 2012 11:19:35 PM CST
Navy Seals don't need to act to blend in with Afgans...
by flyingbanthasneversleep
because that's not their job. That's the Green Berets. I won't be seeing this movie because it just looks bad. I am a conservative, and a supporter of the military and I became a law enforcement officer after 9/11 (I was a little long in the tooth to join the Army), but I'm also an avid film lover and this looks poorly acted and filmed.
But let's be honest, Nordling, a fine writer here at AICN, wouldn't give this a positive review if it was the Citizen Kane of war films due to his political beliefs just as I wouldn't reccomend Green Zone if it had been as good as Saving Private Ryan. I'm alright with that as long as the critic is being honest, which, Nordling made an effort to be. -
Feb 23, 2012 11:21:48 PM CST
OK, if the movie is shit, it's shit. I have no problem with that.
by stargrove
This review though, was peppered with digs at the GOP and constant references to military propaganda. That alone reveals a unobjective bias in how the reviewer perceives, not the quality, but the perceived message of the movie. Look, if an anti-terrorist, pro-American, pro military film that touts the military seal of duty, honor and country is propaganda then, give me my giant tub of propaganda but hold the butter ...Moochelle is watching
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I see your point of view, and I hate war too. But this is a movie that should be enjoyed- not reviewed as propaganda for hell's sakes. you ever see Captain America? Grow some balls and love your country and the guys who suck at acting defending our sorry asses so we can appraise each other in comment threads! I understand not glorifying war. I hate war, however I love me some Call of Duty and movies that have guys kicking ass. This one happens to have our best doing it...and it's propaganda?! Who cares! It's America baby!
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Feb 23, 2012 11:33:44 PM CST
ACT OF VALOR started off as a recruitment video, so no suprises here.
by justmyluck
43 reviews so far, but still only 21% on RT:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/act_of_valor/
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Feb 23, 2012 11:34:58 PM CST
*a movie that should be enjoyed- not reviewed as propaganda for hell's sakes*
by justmyluck
Holy shit, get your act together, kid.
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I feel the word is being used to freely these days. "Hurt Locker" is propaganda? What? A story with Navy SEALs as main characters is "propaganda?" Hell, the scene in "The Rock" where they get massacred was heroic as hell - is that considered "propaganda" as well?
Get over the use of that word, guys. It's getting too stale where there are only politics existing in the eyes of the viewer. You make this "propaganda" sound as though it is completely blatant. What is surely the case is in the viewer - if you think propaganda, then you'll see propaganda. It doesn't mean it is there. It doesn't mean that's what the film makers intended, yet you state it as though it was.
Tell me this? Do you want to kill yourself after listening to Metallica's "Fade to Black"? If you do, would you blame the band? Or, rather, should you blame yourself for being in such a state of mind that all you hear are verses and chords that elevate your state of thinking in those matters?
You are no different than "Entertainment Weekly" editor Chris Nashawaty who sees homosexual undertones in almost every buddy scene or movie he watches. Just tells me that he sees "gay" wherever he goes, so his gay feelings are what's going to be processed whenever he sees certain things. This is no different. -
A reviewer who likes a complete shit film with horrible characterizations, lousy dialogue and poor performances because it affirms his or hers personal ideologies is not a film critic but a palace guard giving their readers approved viewing material for their sponge-like minds. Ebert is a gifted writer and he USED to be a solid trustworthy reviewer but sometime ago (seemed to coincide with his health issues) became bitter, angry and completely unhinged with injecting hyper-partisan politics into not just his reviews but his tweets and columns as well.
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Its not just a movie though, it was funded by the government. The Navy had final cut over it! I'm curious to see the credits because I wonder if it says 'edited by the Navy'. Don't get me wrong, I love action movies and I fucking love war movies. Two movies in my all time top five are war movies. (at the end of the day, thats why we're here right? Movies) But something about this really disturbs me. Imagine 3 years from now a story on the news about a soldier killed in combat. His story goes back to when he saw Act of Valor and thought; that's fucking awesome. The next day he enlists. Maybe it's two kids. Four? Eight? Etc? It may seem melodramatic, but it's what I think about every time I see the ads for this movie. It's greasy and wrong. I'm relieved to read that it's terrible.
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Can you elaborate or do you just like to copy and paste things to tell kids to get their shit together? Enlighten us as to your superior intellect on my post please or point your finger up your own ass.
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Feb 23, 2012 11:47:04 PM CST
There's an interesting movie inside ACT OF VALOR, but if you extract it, it's all of 20 minutes
by musicman247
That's probably because this film started out as an independent filmmaker video taping live Seal drills. The stuff you're complaining about was tacked on afterwards.
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I used to be a loyal Ebert follower, reading his reviews every week to gauge my interest in a movie. He was always that guy who gave decent reviews to movies that everyone shit on, namely because he actually "enjoyed" them for their campiness. Even when I disagreed with him, I understood where he came from and I admired him for that.
But, literally since the break he took back in '06 when he was diagnosed with the cancer, he returned with a four-star review of "Marie Antoinette" and from there it was all downhill.
Now, his website is riddled with political viewpoints, which is fine and dandy because it is HIS website and he has the right to do so, but it makes his reviews feel very one-sided now. I don't respect that anymore. -
Feb 23, 2012 11:48:59 PM CST
@tacoloft: Guess you can't argue that ACT OF VALOR began as a Navy recruitment video and is therefore propganda to the core. No intellectuality required to figure out that math, butt-blaster.
by justmyluck
http://www.military.com/news/article/recruiting-film-turns-into-act-of-valor.html
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I am picking up what you are putting down and yes, you may be more right that some kids will see this and think that it is exactly how reality is and some of them might get killed by joining the military. However I would like to think that they understand that it's first and foremost a movie and secondly that they have the right to make choices in their own life. There is plenty of anti- war material being fed to them to allow for weighing which pieces of misinformation they choose to grasp onto be it for or against joining the military. I don't accept the idea that they will join based on this movie alone...I believe other outside factors would affect their choices as well. That's reality. It's definitely propaganda if you want to call it that but I would rather American propaganda films offered up in America than say...Taliban propaganda films. Plus, these are the guys I root for when they are in war, not the enemy. War is hell, and everybody looses but supporting your local Sherrif is important in my opinion. Can I get an Amen?! Btw, if the government is behind this you do know Obama is running the country right? So the whole conservative propaganda slant is kind of blown up it seems.
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NORDLING: I get why this is called propaganda - and unless you're lying outright (which I doubt), it surely is - but I seriously doubt you'd be so quick to call it that and in such a negative way if the movie were as overtly liberal as it is overtly conservative - questioning the integrity of the military and peppered with accusations of American racism in foreign policy, etc., instead of actually embracing the people that fight for the rights you only talk about embracing.
There isn't an even remotely modern, developed nation on Earth that hasn't made its mistakes and wronged other countries, and America isn't an exception in any way whatsoever, good or bad. At some point, in at least some way, all nations have a right to defend themselves, regardless of what it takes and regardless of the motivations of their so-called "enemies." When countries such as those in the Middle East harbor terrorists that hate us for cultural reasons stretching back a millenia and use foreign policies as smokescrens - or nations such as Venezuela and North Korea hate us for equally ideological reasons such as our capitalist, democratic systems - no amount of appeasement or diplomacy will work. Either you fight them or you severely limit contact and keep a weather eye out for unprovoked attacks such as 9/11.
You can try to play devil's advocate, or look more "enlightened" and "open-minded" by blaming our problems with the Middle East on things such as the Christian-led Crusades, our role in Israel's sovereignty and our pro-Zionist policies ever since - or attribute the hatred of the Communist regimes on America's early efforts to halt the spread of Communism - but the facts are these:
First, the Crusades were a delayed reaction to Muslim aggression and violent attempts at mass-conversion in Europe, not the other way around. Just think about it for once. The western world has desired trade with the East and the Middle East since before any real Westerner spent any real time in the region. Therefore, even if you set the facts aside, the idea that the Crusades were entirely unprovoked is absurd, as is the idea that our support of Zionist sovereignty in places like Israel is any logical or understandable justification for anti-U.S./anti-Western sentiment. If you ever thought that, then you'd actually be a racist, little or no better than Ahmadinijad denying the Holocaust.
Secondly, America's opposition to Communism has much, if not all to do with the fact that after Lenin, the VERSION of Communism/Marxism that evolved in countries such as Russia, Cuba, China and elsewhere hurt trade and was and still is rife with human rights violations as well as militarism and nationalism on scales that would make Hitler's Nazis and Mussolini's Fascists proud.
In any case, liberals don't seem to have a problem with America being the world's policemen when it comes to helping to overthrow military despots in Africa or helping a people we knew far-too-little-about to overthrow Ghadafi in Libya... mostly because Europe asked us to. While it may not distinguish you from Republicans and conservativs, liberals and Democrats are just as notorious for "picking and choosing" when it comes to their stances on rights and issues like the ones discussed.
There's no doubt that people have used 9/11 as an excuse for hate crimes and other atrocities. Even though I've ceded that point, you'll probably still accuse me of biased understatement solely because I appear "conservative" - if you reply at all. Nevertheles, the same was true of Pearl Harbor and similar incidents throughout history and around the world. In any case, you seem to want to link ACT OF VALOR with these types of attitudes and behaviors, albeit subtly, and probably because so many OTHER nationalities allegedly comprise the film's villain cabal. While I'm sure we could have done without such a film, I see no problem whatsoever with a decidedly PRO-AMERICAN movie being made and released, particularly when it's done so IN AMERICA and revolves around the type of soldier that captured Bin Laden and will allow Obama to take the credit (when, in fact, I don't think any President would inherently have that right). Even though you end your review with something that sounds like what I just said, it's clear you think little or nothing of anyone that would actually pay to see such a film, meaning that you might as well be reviewing the viewers, themselves, and not just the film.
And just for the record, being FOR the right to bear arms doesn't make you remotely conservative or even moderate. It just means that if you ever wanted to participate in violent versions of protests such as the recent Occupy Wall Street - protests such as the ones currently going on in Greece and for which leftist Cuban rebels used to be known in Miami - you'd be able to say that you're not a hypocrite in that way because you were never actually against owning or using a gun. Yeah, that's a bit simplistic, but probably no less true. What I wonder, though, is that if you're so liberal and not ashamed of it, why even include a disclaimer of that sort, even in a review of a movie centered around people whose lives and/or careers are centered around the use of guns?
'Want to counter the effects of films like ACT OF VALOR - to do Obama and the Democrats a favor and make his impending re-election something that most actually celebrate instead of accepting or choosing with fingers-crossed because the Republican candidates can't get their acts together? Either quit bringing partisan politics into movie reviews or quit reviewing movies that you absolutely hate, in large part, BECAUSE of its politics - simultaneously including little disclaimers such as the 2nd Amendment assertion. Otherwise, you continue to foster the idea that maybe "liberal" really is a bad word. -
Okay, it's totally ridiculous and has nothing to do with the reality of SEALs if that's what you're looking for, but it's more fun than the Charlie Sheen movie.
Here's the trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OExOl-4Xvos
Most of the criticisms I've heard about ACT OF VALOR (they can't act, it's propaganda, etc.) don't really phase me, but hearing that it's another sloppy handheld post-action movie has made me change my plans for tomorrow. I've been hurt too many times to risk it. Please, somebody invent some sort of tripod or crane that can be used to hold cameras steady or make them move smoothly so that filmmakers can purposely aim them at things for once. -
I wasted my time on a 12 year old... I could argue very post in this thread is propaganda... Who cares?! Enjoy the movie...wait, no children under 17 unsupervised. So Sorry justmyluck....
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Im actually enjoying this debate, but I must retire for the evening. Until next time...
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Shaky cam is why I can't enjoy the Bourn movies as much as others do... I feel yer pain (bites lip in a Clintony way)
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Feb 24, 2012 12:13:24 AM CST
PS: Nations' rights to protect themselves & Iran's nuclear capability
by jorson28
Not that it really matters to anyone, but in case you wanted to try to poke holes in my last post beginning with my assertion about nations' rights to defend themselves at any cost versus Republicans' evident willingness to battle Iran over nukes (not to mention Obama's and the Democrats'), I tend to favor prohibiting Iran from having nuclear capabilities because they would not be likely to solely use or even develop nuclear weapons for defense. They've threatened and likely would attack Israel, a nation whose right to exist Iran's leader completely denies. Opposing nukes in Iran wouldn't be solely a matter of protecting American interests or of playing "world policeman." It would be a means of protecting one of our strongest allies since World War 2 and one of the most threatened and victimized in the Middle East, if not the world. If anyone thinks that America should promote human rights anywhere other than at home, then doing so must at least include very tough sanctions to discourage the further development of nuclear capabilities in Iran.
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Is the Expendables? No. It's the same thing except AOV looks like shit with shaky cam and POV fight scenes... That's why people should have this movie. It's not about politics at all. If anything the only thing that pisses me off about "Conservatives" or at least the people who think they are is that they defend or stand behind a movie like this because they think they have to... Why? It's a piece of shit and just admit it. You TBers are so easy to call movies garbage but because you think this a political movie you stand behind. That's bull shit. Just admit it. The acting looks terrible. Plot looks basic as hell. The action doesn't really look good at all either. No politics just reality... It's a shitty movie. Deal with it.
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Feb 24, 2012 12:14:08 AM CST
Boy, that tacoloft sure knows how to volley an insult after being ejected from the elimination round as confirmation of defeat.
by justmyluck
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Likewise - laters
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Double negatives are not my forte!
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Right on about the use of the word propaganda. It gets tossed around way too much. That and fascist.
It's like this. People who hold a disagreeable viewpoint, usually Republicans, are fascists who peddle propaganda whereas right-thinkers, lefties like Nordling, speak truth to power. Go figure. -
Feb 24, 2012 12:26:27 AM CST
@eveelcapitalist: It's like this. Nordling isn't trying to advertise a military program that enables people to assault or kill for politicians, or gets other people assaulted or killed. Go figure.
by justmyluck
That's probably why you're feeling a little fucked up right about now.
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Feb 24, 2012 12:28:23 AM CST
The thing about arguing with military propganda supporters, is they've already decided that mame-and-kill is the way to go. How could mere words dent that sociopathy?
by justmyluck
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Feb 24, 2012 12:30:39 AM CST
Movie looks good, I'll gladly give 10 bucks and 2 hours of my time to the guys that killed OBL.
by naruto_uzimaki
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Act of Valor features active Navy SEALs in the main roles, not pampered stars flexing their muscles for the camera.
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Actually there is a way to review a movie about the military without being political but it involves pulling your head out of your ass.
Holy shit, this review was barely coherent.
Nordling, you really wanted to go off on a giant douchebag political rant. I think if you're gonna put your foot on the idiot pedal, put it to the fucking floor.
Otherwise, your points are mixed up with your political cheapshots. Rick Santorum? What did he have to do with the movie? Did Rick Santorum star in it? No, so why bring him...oh, right, can't not be political 'cause SEALS n shit. Or something.
Equating it with al-Qaeda propaganda films, hey, that's brilliant! Wow, what a brave man you are to make that comparison, Nordling!
And you just go on like that.
Nordling, you're probably the least respected reviewer on this site. Your reviews, to put it gently, suck. There's a review in what you wrote, certainly, but you undermined it with your own personal political bias. Then you pat yourself on the back for it. I'll tell you what, you might be proud of yourself, but it's just embarassing. Twenty minutes of real movie in there, you say? You got one paragraph of actual criticism, I say.
So here's what I gather, Nordling wants to score lefty points. The movie has flaws, which I could have guessed. The movie has some redeeming qualities, which I could have guessed. And...nope, that's it.
Hope you haven't quit your day job. -
Let me just start by saying that deep in the hearts of many (most) conservative men is the strong desire to gaze dreamily upon brown people being shot, blown up, or otherwise villainized merely for the sake of this country. I am a high school student (a jock, nonetheless) who is surrounded by idiot hick buffoons and neanderthals of the like that only Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh could produce. I am also Mexican-American, and have been slandered countless times over the course of my time in high school, regardless of my character, atheltic ability, taste, but rather for my skin tone. Bearing witness to jingoistic bullshit like this makes my blood curdle, and I refuse to support it.
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That's an interesting perspective.
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Yep. But the thing is you don't have to be a Republican, you just disagree or offer a different observation and you somehow become a fascist who peddles propaganda. This is a problem I am seeing more and more. It's used to be people would respect differing opinions and observations but nowadays those who do not agree with a certain mindset are ridiculed and impugned on both sides. For example: if I stated I was a a gay Athiest, pro gay marriage, democrat who is voting Obama... Chances are I will be treated semi respectfully from the right and loved and adored, and considered smart by the left. However, if I stated I was a straght Christian, anti gay marriage, Republican, who is writing in Sarah Palin then I would be on an island alone with the right standing by silently while the left mocked the plight of the uneducated redneck from Hicksville. There is a hive mind of liberal thought that if you do not agree you are thusly stupid. A strategy that works well for 10 year olds.
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Feb 24, 2012 12:42:58 AM CST
And naruto_uzimaki steps in with his brand spankin' new handle. (toss!)
by justmyluck
Feb 18, 2012 12:27:35 AM CST
Why watch a movie with actors playing seals when you can watch the real seals with Act of Valor
by naruto_uzimaki
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/53673
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Feb 24, 2012 12:47:17 AM CST
@eveelcapitalist: You're so cool dude, my confidence is waning in your presence.
by justmyluck
HAH! Kidding. Yours is the typical response for having no credible response. Keep talking to help bury the ACT OF VALOR marketing campaign.
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So let's just ignore him and not waste words. He's just like the few liberal friends I actually have - they ALWAYS have to be right. All of them. All of the time.
I can actually use the phrase, "Yeah, I see what you are saying" and mean it. But I hold my beliefs firmly. These guys (my friends, and justmyluck as well) always need to be right - they are stubborn, hard-nosed, and educated by the cut-and-paste trolling that they are used to when they want to make a point. They mostly use other people's words, and just paste them inside their "theory" to support their view.
It almost seems as though they took their English teachers "use and list references" remark a little too seriously, and just ONLY use references rather than gather their own words of usage. -
Feb 24, 2012 12:50:29 AM CST
@last_of_the_emurites: I suppose you think being called douche by a military propaganda supporter is a bad thing. Yes, you do — to the green room, please!
by justmyluck
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Isn't it fun when movie critics such as Nordling here decide to ideologically and politically skew their reviews and then act like they are in a no-win situation? Not only is this intellectually dishonest, but it is the same sort of syndrome Roger Ebert so often finds himself afflicted with these days.
If the film displays a clunky narrative, poor characterization, and poor direction...fine, criticize it for what it is. But the problem is that film critics cannot help but insert their own ideological skewers into the beast, which does their credibility no favors when it comes to films such as this one.
This is a film bound to offend someone. If its politics were even moderately pro-American, the leftist, postmodernist film critics (which make up most of them, Nordling included) would decry it as a jingoistic piece of Riefenstahlian propaganda, which is more or less happening, despite the film actually being about as apolitical as a film like this can be.
However, if it were to embrace the moral subjectivity and anti-war, anti-military sentiment running through Hollywood over the last decade-plus, it would be largely rejected by audiences just as those films have been.
This dilemma is certainly analogous to John Wayne's "The Green Berets", a highly successful film unfairly maligned by the liberal film critics of the late 1960s.
Nordling had a choice here, and he chose to get political and then pre-emptively defend his liberalism. Perhaps if he had simply concentrated on the filmmaking, rather than what disturbed his delicate liberal sensibilities, his review would be the better for it. -
Not too surprised it's propaganda bullshit!
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How about you are an American? What's up with Mexican-American? Should I call myself a Scotland-American? No that sounds dumb doesn't it?! Get off your "I am different and oppressed because of my skin" high horse. You are as you see yourself. Chances are you have it much better than others so to bring in a whiny I am picked on point of view doesn't go far with me. I am sure there are assholes who made your life hell but I think you need to stay away from the stigmatics of race as I have seen people use that crutch their entire lives to the point where they are miserable because they view that everyone and everything owes them something. Don't even get me started with the NAACP, BET, and black history month.
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Good words, and good call. This basically sums up the whole situation. People who disagree with it are literally doing exactly what you stated: Pandering to their political beliefs.
I can almost feel the heat coming off of the typed words of many liberals who feel they have to angrily defend their political views and verbally attack people who disagree with them. They claim we (who disagree with most of their views) to be uneducated and unsympathetic.
Most of the people who disagree with the liberal biased this review used hasn't really attacked the reviewer or the people who agree with the liberal politics. The non-liberals have clearly stated their support for their country (with which there is nothing wrong), but then the liberal minded writers seem to want to attack them for it.
What these "critics" lack in tact and unbiased opinion they greatly make up for in one-sided mongering and personal attacks. -
Seriously, thank you. I don't say that in hate (which liberals who seem to think that a person's support in something they don't agree with can constitute into some form of deep-down, repressed "hate"), but in an actual understanding of what you say from a psychological and progressive point of view.
Everyone asks for equality, yet California (as well as other states) still require a man to give half his possessions to a woman upon the breaking of a marriage (even if the woman committed some form of infidelity).
So, why do there exist groups that support a single skin color and can exist WITHOUT being called racist? -
Feb 24, 2012 1:01:24 AM CST
This whole fucking thing... I did not watch my buddies die face down in the muck so that this fucking strumpet...
by sgt.steiner
That's how you right wingers sound. Jeez. For hardcore "let's blow the fuck out of Iran" tough talkers, you sure are sensitive. And Stargove, calling a fine First Lady like Michelle "Moochelle" invalidates all your arguments. If your not in favor of gay marriage, then you should. Everyone should be really be tacoloft. If not you're just like Santorum. A bigot. Or something defined as a "the frothy mix of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex".
And what president made it a priority to go after Osama? I'll give you a hint: it wasn't W.
On behalf the sane who do not see liberal conspiracies coming out of people's assholes, up yours. -
Feb 24, 2012 1:04:30 AM CST
Forget the politics, here are three things that sour my excitement for Act of Valor
by lv_426
1) Shaky-cam (when will this stop or at least be used sparingly and only when appropriate?)
2) This little bit from the article that justmyluck provided a link to:
http://www.military.com/news/article/recruiting-film-turns-into-act-of-valor.html
=The Bandito Brothers hired 300 screenwriter Kurt Johnstad to attempt to weave together a coherent script based on the stories they'd collected from their SEAL collaborators. The result is light on backstory and focuses more on moving the plot forward than any extensive character development.=
3) The FACT that the directors refer to themselves as The Bandito Brothers.
Looks like I'll be seeking out a showing of Coriolanus this weekend. -
Feb 24, 2012 1:04:41 AM CST
Watching the warmongers hanging for dear like in here while sucking each other off with adulation is a beautiful thing.
by justmyluck
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As with one of my comments above, I see a 180 degree different point of view about your words. I have found on this forum that many of the liberal minded writers to be more sensitive on the matter of bringing up political matters into the review of this film than the conservative minded folk who support the right to read a review without having to be turned off by the critic's one-sided positions and beliefs that sound very matter-of-factly.
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Feb 24, 2012 1:09:26 AM CST
It's obviously a recruitment tool for the military. Big deal!
by the_genteel_gentile
So just enjoy it on those terms. Or loathe it, whatever you like.
I hope we're smart enough to see it for what it is without going to blindly sign up as a killing machine for the goverment.
Plus I rather enjoy much of those commericals!
I don't expect much character nuance or political levity however.
I'm in it for some cool military tactics and action sequences - nothing more.
Please just don't let the whole movie be scored with wall-to-wall rap/metal - that is all I ask! -
Feb 24, 2012 1:17:12 AM CST
tacoloft - straight christian republicans who are anti gay marriage ARE hive minded
by antonphd
there are gay individuals who want to marry the person they love and straight christian republicans are preventing the marriages because their religion is against it! it doesn't GET anymore hive minded than that!
we are supposed to have freedom of religion in this country. but there are religious groups who are forcing their religion on to individuals.
and these same religious groups are crying about having to obey our nations laws when they operate non religious organizations. they want their religious freedom to grant them exceptions from our laws, but then they turn around and use our laws to force their religious beliefs on individuals who don't share them.
the reason liberals don't respect straight christian anti gay marriage republicans is because they don't respect groups who abuse power to oppress minorities.
these exact same straight christian anti gay marriage republicans were opposing mixed race marriage just a generation ago.
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Your welcome, thanks for the "thanks". With regards to your last question - I whole heatedly agree. Not sure why we Americans allow it, and frankly I do not believe it was Martin Luther Kings vision for America. If we want to truly be on equal grounds we must have equal treatment and opportunity for all races. Grouping and separating people one from another for gain is at the heart of this matter. I really feel it does a group disservice to be elevated above other groups to be recognized or given precedence in any respect. It belittles them, makes any achievment insignificant, and makes race a whole religion of you owe me because of xyz.
Sgt.steiner- I have to thank you for proving my point from an earlier post. Thanks! -
Feb 24, 2012 1:23:09 AM CST
This whole review and talkback shows why it is better to just have space marines shooting nasty creatures or alien bugs
by lv_426
when you make a war film.
It looks like Coriolanus isn't even showing in my hometown yet, so this German-Scottish-Slovenian-American will just stay in and save a few bucks by grabbing my trusty ALIENS and STARSHIP TROOPERS Blu-rays and a bag of microwavable Orville Redenbacher. -
So to be clear a group who votes On prop 8 is not abusing power. Ok? I think that people of a state should be allowed to vote on what whatever they want. Currently there are states that support gay marriage and other states that do not. That is completely fine with me. The problem I have is that the gay marriage movement wants to force EVERY state to support it. That is where I have a problem. We are not suppose to all be robots who think the same way or believe in the same things. So there must be grounds where states can vote to recognize gay marriage or not. This allows those gays who want to be married to move to whichever state supports it. Those who voted not to recognize it can attract straight couples. Everybody is happy and everybody can live
With like minded people. Honestly, I could care less if gays want to marry. Don't ask me to support anything pro gay though because I personally believe there is a god and it may be a sin. I hope you can respect that. Gays can't reproduce so the gene pool will take care of itself. Ok that was insensitive and cruel. But humorous too. -
Feb 24, 2012 1:37:47 AM CST
It's military's job to fill the ranks with impressionable kids and promote continuous war
by nerd rage
That's what makes this propoganda and the logic behind it so dangerous.
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You are probably right. I am done for tonight. Enjoy the popcorn& movies.
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Ya know what? Fuck you, Nordling. I sincerely wish I had something more witty to respond with, but garbage sentiments like yours deserve an equally childish, purely emotional response. Maybe you were picked on by the bigger kids. Perhaps the jocks, who would go on to become the soldiers you so apparently take exception to, picked you last for dodgeball. Who knows why you feel the deep-seated need to overcompensate for the obvious chip on your shoulder, but frankly, it's just sad. You are, without a single doubt, the worst contributor to this website. I don't know what hole Harry dug you up from, but I sincerely hope you find your way back there.
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Just as long as I am not reminded of that creepy CGI'd Orville Redenbacher... oh crap, too late.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM124k2JU8c
In the words of Colonel Walter E. Kurtz, "the horror... the horror... the horror..." -
Feb 24, 2012 2:02:04 AM CST
tacoloft - that is the exact same argument that was used for allowing slavery
by antonphd
the argument that States ultimately determine individual liberty
back when some State's allowed slavery, slaves had to 'move' to other 'free' states if they wanted freedom.
you suggest that Gay people should move to free states if they want the same liberties that straight people get in every state.
i don't even know what to say, except WTF?! -
Feb 24, 2012 2:02:55 AM CST
@cash907: So, if a movie soldiers portraying (let's say) Iran's soldiers, the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution, in a positive light — and supported by the Ayatollah or Supreme Leader — showed up, it would NOT be *propaganda*???! Your *yes
by justmyluck
Let me guess, you'll start off by saying I was a picked-on kid and take it from there! :))
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Can't be worse than Bay's military stroke-a-thon in half of his movies.
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Glorifying war and putting it black and white terms to get kids to join up and kill people on their own land is propoganda.
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I thought SEAL identities were classified...why would the gov't allow these guys to be filmed?...or is this 'real' in the sense of Paranormal Activity and Blair Witch Project?
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And it only hit me now.
Nordling says, "That's what they do. Is it heroic? That's not a good word to use. I don't call a scalpel heroic - it does what it's supposed to do. It's how that scalpel is used that makes the difference."
Okay, I'm gonna make this quick. Fuck you, dickwad!
Seriously, fuck you. Suck my dick you scumbag piece of shit.
Nordling, you think you can do what these guys do? You think you can go out and do what these guys fucking do you fucking fuck? You think anyone can just go out and do that? No. No one can do that. Exceedingly *few* can fucking do that. Oh yeah, JUST like wielding a fucking scalpel! You fucking simpleton.
You say you respect these guys, but you don't demonstrate that in the slightest. "These guys are nonentities meant to be used up and tossed away like common tools. But I totally respect them for that!" WAY TO GO, DICKLESS!
You know what your problem is, you braindead fucking fraud? You're a fucking coward. When these fucking retards crawling all over the Talkbacks shit all over the efforts of our men and women in uniform, at least they're being honest. I can't fault them for that. When you try to shield yourself from any sort of heat like a queefing vagina all you do is prove what a sackless shit you really are. Fuck's sake, Nordling, be a fucking man!
"Oh but this movie isn't tolerant of people like me" GOD! You're such a fucking woman!
Nordling, no one is asking that you shower these guys with praise. You don't give two shits, that's clear no matter what you say to the contrary. And no one is asking that you give a dishonest opinion. But fuck you if you think you can tear these guys down and not get called on it. Sincerely, honestly, truly, go burn in hell you cocksucking faggot. -
Feb 24, 2012 2:43:03 AM CST
It's one thing to show a right-wing stance. It's another to make a shit movie
by adelai niska
Example: THE DARK KNIGHT is a strong endorsement of GWB's post-9/11 security and war policy. But people like me, on the left, don't care because it's a great film.
ACT OF VALOR is also very right wing, but is a shitty movie. That's unforgivable. That's worth a negative review. -
Feb 24, 2012 2:47:37 AM CST
''Ooooooh! Navy SEALS!" <=== no review needed, that Clerks clip sealed it for me
by tallboy6t6
Honestly, this review could have just been that clip and I would have been totally cool with that.
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Like a prison bitch does to keep his protection going.
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how Nordling is showing his yella lefty slant by using the word "propaganda." When the single fact illustrated by a couple of talkbackers proving that this movie developed around a finished MILITARY RECRUITMENT VIDEO is all you need to know, before shutting up about it. Nordling is right, I don't care how many times you illustrate how you love the troops, or babble what you know about world history or insult him with hilariously misspelled threats. It's a fact.
It's also a fact that movies that over-simplify international diplomacy and stoke anti-cultural sentiment aren't doing Americans much good either. Ignore this bullshit and give your money and time to movies who do a good job of depicting soldiers as they are - like Restrepo, or Hell & Back Again, or Armadillo.
Anyway, I'll let you get back to all of this fun-filled political posturing... -
Feb 24, 2012 5:55:06 AM CST
Someone Here Defends the Steaming Turdpile That is John Wayne's "Green Berets?"
by dantecubit
LOL - "The Green Berets" is nothing but a weepy WWII story that happens to be set in Southeast Asia. The disconnect between that movie and reality is as stark as it gets.
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I won't sit through the piss-poor acting or the ridiculous plot. Just give me 'splosions and tracer rounds hitting actual targets, and I'll be a happy camper.
By the way, fuck propaganda. All propaganda. Liberal propaganda, conservative propaganda . . . they all suck camel's balls.
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...that you could turn any movie with shit production value, shit execution, shit acting, shit story and shit concept into a MASTERPIECE simply by accusing people who dislike it of "partisanship".
Very easy to see how the hornet's nest can be stirred by a simple mention of political leanings. Which I think is very hard to avoid considering ACT OF VALOR is a tool of political motivation. It's partially paid for by the US military and the US government, whether that government is left or right, conservative or liberal, it's impossible to treat this film on its own merits when it's made by a party who's primary objective isn't a question of finance, but policy.
A film like BLACK HAWK DOWN was made with the involvement of the US military as well, but the filmmakers achieved an level of negotiated equilibrium by standing far away from the politics and making the film about an event, rather than a political viewpoint (which secured the production US military equipment on the tab of the American tax payer).
Nordling addresses the film for what it is: a tool of political propaganda paid for by the American government and one that portrays an unrealistic depiction of the world as we know it (and does it really really badly by film aesthetic terms). How can you review a film like that and not mention the intentions of the film (given they would have greatly affected the content and execution anyways) is beyond me.
And yet at the mention of the film's politics, the right are up in arms because they feel marginalized and attacked by the shittyness of the film and the left are up in arms because they feel justified that the shittyness of the film is a reflection of conservative war-mongering that occupies American foreign policy.
And all the while the world facepalms and slowly backs away nervously.
If Nordling is correct, then the film sucks. And as a recruitment tool, it suggests that its overt intentions to promote patriotic guns-n-ammo fantasies among its audience may have had a hand in why the film sucks. It's not a reflection on the goods and bads, rights and wrongs, of political doctrine.
It is a reflection on why the U.S. Army shouldn't be involved in the filmmaking business because no army, in any country, can have a fair opinion on the matters of the world. That's not their job and if they produce a film that reflects that biased perspective, of course people won't swallow it.
Get over it guys. The world doesn't revolve around the petty squabbles of US politics, but the world does recoil in horror every time you guys start picking a fight in your little playground and in everyone else's.
Great review Nordling. Knowing something about the production and how it was shot (on DLSR cameras no less), I can feel confident that the film no longer holds any interest for me. Appreciate the effort. -
Feb 24, 2012 6:08:58 AM CST
Propaganda needs heart, history and real people for context.
by _nerfee_
Without that, it's just sort-of off-putting. Remember that post-911 David Mamet show, The Unit? A show that seemed to be conceived on the basis that Jack Bauer was a pussy and needed real men to show him how to hold his dick?
You would think Mamet knows his shit, but that show was both unpleasant to look-at *and* soapy nonsense.
Here's some actual propaganda from Frank Capra and the US Army film dept:
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Take your chauvinistic, homophobic, slurs elsewhere you anus-dwelling leech.
The thought that people, on both sides, are dying in the Middle East over the issue of protecting your ignorant, ill-educated, cowardly, redneck, scumbag, shit-sucking, oxygen wasting, bloated ass makes me physically ill.
I'm sure the "women" and "faggots" of the US army are proud to be sacrificing their lives just so you're free to use them as comparatives to make slurs in order to belittle someone else. Especially since all you can do IS belittle them rather than rub your only two braincells together to offer an actual critique of Nordling's review.
Nice work. I'll take the last ten US military personnel who died back in exchange for your mouth-breathing existence on this planet ANY DAY thanks AND I'll still defend Nordling's review if the only response we have against it is your mentally-stunted drivel.
Love the AICN talkbacks! Makes me feel that much better to know I'm a douchebag, but not THAT big of a douchebag :) -
GOD! You're such a fucking woman!
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Oh well...my post got completed eaten! Hooray!
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Durka Durka, they are in that compound across the street.
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And you hit the nail on the head exactly about why this movie needs a big red flag in front of it. It's a propaganda tool, and guess what? It actually was commissioned by the US armed forces as a means of attracting new recruits. And it will.
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but does he see films that are singularly anti-military as unwatchable propaganda too? Born on the 4th of July? Platoon? Full Metal Jacket? Is the difference that more able filmmakers were responsible for these films? That's what a leftist would say, but its a canard.
I don't want anyone from any side trying to indoctrinate me. But it almost never happens from the right in modern film. Its virulent in terms of left-wing propaganda. But THAT will never be pointed out because people like Nordling will never see their own message as propaganda. -
Did you do a review of Kevin Smith's Red State? What was your opinion there. Oh, but that was just satire, right?
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The government of every country wants meat for the grinder because the ones who start the wars never fight in them. Any one with intelligence can see this which I suppose is why the american military is comprised mainly of dumb hicks who can barely tie their shoes. Wave your flags and continue being clueless. It's what the government wants you to be.
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Feb 24, 2012 8:21:43 AM CST
@ justmyluck WTF you blathering about? I supported seeing the movie in the other thread. You a foreigner boy, comprehend english retard.
by naruto_uzimaki
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Feb 24, 2012 8:26:08 AM CST
@antonphd - If gays were a race, they would be extinct. It takes two heteros to make a gay.
by naruto_uzimaki
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is where they burn the Q'uran, sparking global riots.
U S A
U S A
Let's Bomb Iran
U S A
This movie's "so Takei"
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Feb 24, 2012 8:34:08 AM CST
@eveelcapitalist = Talkback Hero, Nordling = Woman with crying vagina disease
by naruto_uzimaki
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See, this isn't a value-neutral debate, like "I think orange is a nice color," vs. "no, green is a better color."
The military is murderers, killers in the pay of ruthless corporate overlords. They are uneducated poor people who murder other poor people in foreign lands. It's not "heroic."
Our "brave fighting men and women" are pathetic dupes, at best.... as they find out WAYY too late when they're laid up minus limbs in a rat-infested VA hospital or unemployed and shell-shocked...
...and all you "pro-military" and "they keep us free" loudmouth assholes don't give a FUCK about our vets then, when they're no longer young, beautiful and able to kill to defend US business interests...
THAT is why this movie fetishizes dying for your country... because the MOST useful thing any vet can do for the US ruling class is to DIE... because otherwise they're just a damn inconvience...
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Feb 24, 2012 8:43:34 AM CST
@daddylonghead - I hope you get AIDs in the ass and die ungrateful bitch!
by naruto_uzimaki
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In response to pereptuating a stigma against MEXICAN-Americans, or rather Hispanic-Americans, with a "whiny" attitude, I can see your point. However, that merely does not justify the blatantly simplistic and by extension pseudo-racist/xenophobic imagery/plot presented in the film.
All politics aside, a bad film is a bad film. I support our veterans, and all that I wish is that they were portrayed not as action heroes, but as legitimately caring human beings. -
Feb 24, 2012 8:56:42 AM CST
Mentioning Santorum showed the reviewer was incapable of objectivity
by rainbowtrout1265
If Nordling had just given reasons why he felt the film was propaganda, that would have been fine. But to needlessly take political shots at Santorum, who had NOTHING to do with this movie, just destroys any credibility his opinion might have had and will call into question his reviews of any political-themed film to come.
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The word "propaganda" tends to be a semantic sand trap...deriving meaning as much from our various personal convictions as its literal definition.
Life is never so black and white. Moving to Washington DC and working with government contractors showed me things in a different light.
Some may say that's drinking the Kool-Aid, or something else completely ignorant, but whatever, you have a story to tell and so do I.
For all the work I do with conservatives in high positions, I still am damn proud to call myself a liberal. Not in words, but in actions. But I'm not so deluded that I don't understand why people in the military have a conservative bent. And for them, it's not about the social conservatism that has pervaded the GOP in recent years, no, this is about fiscal conservatism, and the irony that lies within.
Historically, liberals have worked to cut defense spending, effectively challenging the livelihoods of these men ingrained within the Military Industrial Complex. Much like any business set, there is naturally a lot of financial bloat, and to that, I say it makes them no different than your local mechanic who tries to overcharge because you don't know any better.
I say all that to say that part of the reason conservatism is rampant in the MIC is because that is who is on their side. The other part comes from a life of structure. There are core ideals that exist in a military life that some people can't wrap their head around because it has to do with a sense of duty to others outside of yourself. People fight for this country because they believe in it, right or wrong.
Films like Act of Valor serve to show that aspect of things, and is immediately dismissed as jingoistic propaganda. As if Predator wasn't. As if Commando wasn't.
The funny thing is, the biggest technical piece of propaganda out there for geeks happened to be the Stargate SG-series. The US Air Force gave more technical support to those series than any other unit had for any other film. But no one seemed to mind, because the enemies were extraterrestrial.
I don't agree with all of our military actions over the past 100 years. But I will say that it is ridiculous to demonize, or to marginalize the work of men and women who actually believe they are doing the right thing, which is ironic, since such demonization is the exact same thing we do to our enemies, in order to make their elimination more palpable.
If Act of Valor is a poorly-made movie, fine. Films should be criticized for their quality, but NOT by the baggage you bring to it. Someone has to defend our position as a world power. Everything you enjoy about your life is a result of that will to power.
Luckily for us, unlike many nations, we are no longer forced to join the military to defend all that we hold dear or take for granted.
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rotten tomatoes has it around 21% on the tomatometer for film critics and around 85% for the audience so far. Pretty wide gap...could mean any number of things.
As far as it being propaganda or a recruiting tool...yeah...and? The Navy recruits people to join them knowing that they can be put in harms way...nobodies exactly splitting the atom here. I'm guessing at some point during the movie one of the SEALs is shot in the face, or maimed in some way...how exactly is that going to get someone to say...yeah, that's what I want to do. So I'm sure it's not like an episode of GI Joe where everybody is shooting lasers at each other, no one gets hit, with the good guys winning in the end. Plus it's not like you can walk out of the theatre and say, 'you know what, i'm gonna join the SEALs', they don't exactly take everyone in line.
In hindsight I actually wish the military did a better job of recruiting back when I was in highschool. Yeah, you can die thousands of miles away from home, but you prolly learn a lot of cool stuff and visit a lot of cool places that stick with ya for the rest of your life. Back when I was around the age where most kids decided whether they were going to college, getting a job, or going into the military they always made the military sound like it was the last option if the first two didn't work out. Maybe they should've been pumping out Act of Valor movies long before 2012. -
For suggesting back in the 1990s that Denzel Washington play 007.
What a pair of assholes. One down. One to go. -
Actually by the standard definition the Seals are quite heroic.
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thenotoriousdrb is correct on this.
If you people are going to casually throw around the use of a word, please at least know the proper definition of that word. Otherwise, you come across as a hack. -
He's not my first choice to win the republican nom...but you can't have it both ways here nordling. On the one hand you're saying you're an impartial reviewer(although you make the Bill of Rights sound more like the tooth fairy by saying you believe in it)...but on the other hand you take a political dig at a viable candidate on the republican side for the presidency of the United States. That kind of undermines your objectivity and might even offend people who read your review who happen to like Santorum, warts and all.
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Grow up kid and start spitting some facts.
The military is far better educated than the public at large.
All 4 of the 9/11 suicide pilots had advanced degrees.
Osama Bin Laden was a very wealthy man from a very wealth family.
The lords of terror are ALL pretty damn wealthy. Whether it be Saddam Hussein or the mullahs in Iran.
And those business interests are OUR INTERESTS idiot.
How did you get to that last Occupy Assholes protest? On a magic carpet?
Did you put banana peels in the gas tank of the public transportation you rode there?
God knows a loser like you doesn't have their own transpo. -
Feb 24, 2012 9:51:15 AM CST
I wonder how many of our tax dollars went towards producing this "film"
by charles_corkey_thatcher
I also wonder if the right wingers would have a problem with it. Of course they wouldn't. They only have a problem when people get food stamps, but if the military wants to make a blatent piece of propaganda entertainment to try to get young morons to sign their life away, GO FOR IT! USA USA USA!!!
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why would anyone be surprised?
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Feb 24, 2012 10:04:58 AM CST
Wow Modern Warfare The Motion Picture sucks...what a shock
by viking_25
It's like expecting Top Gun to be deep exploration of the soul of the fighter pilot.
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I'm sure both the GOP and the DNC have fully funded it's production.
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A bunch of fudge packing nerds hate the US and it's military. You are all a bunch of fags.
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...the Call of Duty series at least had a more compelling concept and story.
Act looks like some spoonfeeding jingoistic bullshit.
That, and the studio is trying to capatalize off STS's taking down Osama.
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We are on the same page. Some of these other guys will just continue to attack us, but we stand proud with our firm beliefs. We don't need to attack them for theirs, because we have the respect to not do so.
They do not. That is why we continually are hounded by their attacking, personally-destructive ways. Let the people preach their fears of "propaganda" while WE go watch the movies and enjoy them for what they are, or NOT enjoy them for being non-artistic pieces of crap. -
Quote: "He wanted to see the SEALS played by Matt Damon and George Clooney dealing death and destruction to the evil conglomerate of oil companies, Wall Street bankers, Karl Rove, the Vatican, and other capitalist lackeys who are oppressing the 99%. "
I can't speak for Noedling, but if this type of film were to be released, Three words:
Ass
In
Seat!
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Muslims as the bad guys makes it racist? I guess the real world is racist. Thank God for guys like our Seals so you little pussies can sit in front of your computers, hate your country, and play video games. That's the funniest part: You pussies like to play video games based on soldiers but think enlisting is evil. You wouldn't last five minutes in even basic training.
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Truthiness is, The U.S. military doesn't defend the nation's freedom. Arguably, it hasn't since The Revolution. Technically, it didn't then either, because it didn't exist (that was The Continental Army).
What it defends is its piece of the pie. The largest piece of the pie --- the pie being American taxes. It defends its continued existence, like any entity. It defends its bureacracy. It defends its waste. It defends different political and corporate objectives.
The U.S. military would be at the front line if there were ever another American Civil War, and it would be aiming its guns at the people who wanted to be free.
Defense of Our Nation and The Constitution and Apple Pie and Everything Just and Good. That's a rationalization. It allows good people who serve to serve according to their conscience, but it's not The Truth.
ACT OF VALOR cannot hide under the protective banner of entertainment, even mindless, shit-blow-up-real-good variety entertainment, because it is not intended as entertainment. It is being marketed as The Truth. Some kind of cockeyed enlightenment. Even though it's complete fabrication. Fiction.
This is what makes it propaganda.
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No, of course not. You just know cause you've been spoon fed your favorite propaganda on the liberal run media. Soldiers are not poor dummies, either. Ever talked to a couple? Want to know what real soldiers think like? Watch the last five minutes of the last episode of HBO's Generation: Kill. The voice over at the end will sum it up for all U.S. hating pussies like you. Our soldiers risk their LIVES cause they love their country and what it represents. Not because they were duped or were too stupid to do anything else. The infantry soldiers I worked with were some of the smartest people I ever met. I can't attest to the guys in the motor pool or slinging hash but the best a brightest choose to fight at the front lines because they felt an obligation to give back to a country that did so much for them. Something most of you turds would know nothing about. You want you country to give, give, give and keep giving while you sit back and talk shit about it. Just visit somewhere else and you'll see how good you got it cause of our Seals, etc.
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Feb 24, 2012 10:55:16 AM CST
AoV is a propaganda loaded recruitment film, and Santorum is a crook.
by darthvadersbadside
Two different things. None of which have anything to do with the other, yet both are true. That's all i got for now.
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You wouldn't think Seals are murders for hire doing evil politicians killing if those towers fell on one of your family members. But you probably think GWB planned the attacks with drones, etc. Wake the fuck up. There are bad men out there that hate us for what we have, our freedom, and, oh, yeah, our support of Israel. They'd gladly come and fuck you up if not for the protection of our evil government.
Also...
There are a lot of girls in Afghanistan that can go to school and learn now that we've rained our evil upon those poor brown people. -
It's a bad place, dummy, not a movie. But not here because of our evil military. Go back to your video game now.
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Wow, everybody, just wow. Look at us. There are no simple answers to these issues, I hope everyone, right/left understands that. Is his movie propaganda? Yes. Do the Seals do honorable work? Yes. Are they tools of the corporatist complex? Yes. Is the American Government corrupt, imperialistic? Yes. Are there terrorist madmen out there who want to kill us, kill everyone? Yes. Shades of gray aren't sexy, they don't give us good liberal/conservative answers -- but that is the way of the world.
On the other hand, if everyone could stop for a moment and note how jaded we are about violence, about killing, how we are producing a generation of the ultimate push button killers, that would be constructive. As honorable as their profession is, so is an undertaker, and at the end of the day, our massive military budget, our national obsession with guns, these are things that kill. Yes, even in defense. If we have forgotten that every death of a human being is a tragedy in our lust for vengeance, that this high tech hardware has a very real human cost in men, women, and children, then ladies and gentlemen, I introduce to you our real nation, Nova Roma Imperii.
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If he was a real man, he'd use his real name on here instead of hiding behind an anonymous screenname and calling people names.
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Tyler said to the scrawny wild eyed man tied to his makeup chair, “just so I can get through this shit here…wish I had some damned skates…here,bite down on this bitch”; Tyler reached into a large box of Churches Chicken…pushing a drumstick into Spikes goateed face. “Yeah…I waited a looong time for this motherfucker…you about gonna learn what it’s liked to get fucked by someone who know what they doing...that right…you spent you’re whole career talking bout being fucked over…well Madea’s gonna show you what it’s like to take a REAL hundred million dollar Fuckin from ‘the man’…since this about as close to that kinda money you ever gonna get”.
Tyler walked over to the large wardrobe closet, roughly pulling on a Purple flowered dress, and affixing a grey wig to his head and large size 13 orthopedic pumps to his feet…began the slow waddle back over to where he had Spike trussed.“Oh yes…you gonna give Madea some hard earned respect and lovin my little black leprechaun “ Tyler crowed as he maneuvered the trembling director into position, the crispy leg of poultry muffling his cries for help.
With a crash the door to the dressing room flew open, slamming against the wall; two black leather clad men walked into the room, and even in the dim light Tyler Perry recognized the faces. “Naw…you doin that shit ALL Wrong brotha…u can’t just fuck em in the ass…you gotta take ya time…make um sweat a little…aint dat right Martin?” “Hell yes that right Eddie…the Sweat be the BEST part” replied the more distant form. Tylers eyes went wide in reverence, he voice cracked as he spoke. “Eddie…Martin..what…what you doing here! Oh Man…I…I..oh man..look..I’m…this…uh…ya know..uh” Eddie Murphy moved towards the yammering comedian…”Shut the Fuck up Tyler.., don’t you worry…old Spike here still gonna get his…we ALL been waiting for THIS.”
Martin moved to the front of Spike Lee..looking at the bound director; “I see you went to Churches…staying in Character is Important…you getting better at this”. “Huh Huh Huh Huh…” Eddie cackled…”Yeah he’s getting better…but he ain’t there with us just yet. Ya see Tyler…you can’t really get into the part of a Mad Woman…until you’ve been treated like a Mad Woman” Martin grabbed the ‘Nicks’ hat on Spikes head and pushed it down over his eyes…”that right…you gotta KNOW how to take a Fuckin…before you can GIVE a fuckin brother…you good as Madea…but to REALLY get to her heart, you gotta let someone else get into her hocks and beans”
Tyler felt his heart pounding…as Martin slid up behind him, fondling his gray wig…”look his eyes Martin…I think Tyler here is scared” Eddie cooed. “Oh don’t be afraid Tyler…when we done teaching you…you’ll be more comfortable in this dress than out of it” Ziiiiippppp…, the sound echo’d through the room…”No use in fuckin round no more…lets get this training shit started”….continued later..maybe
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movies is pro American and you can't deal with that can you Nordling? How dare Hollywood make something that doesn't jam the liberal agenda down everybody's throat.
I saw the movie and I didn't see the propaganda that you saw. Maybe it was just the mindset I was in. It was a story about how Navy SEALS operate...and yes, they do have families and feelings, not sure what's so wrong with that. -
Who the fuck would make up Breske? Mr. and Mrs. Vader must be very proud. Ha ha.
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If your name was Steve Braskey.
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Feb 24, 2012 11:55:36 AM CST
I've been waiting for the live action Team America movie.
by tikidonkeypunch
You had me at dicks fuck assholes.
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Feb 24, 2012 12:44:51 PM CST
They've been promoting this movie SO heavily on Fox News...
by cinemajerk
That I REFUSE to see it. Now that the reviews are coming in, my suspicions have been validated.
My hats off to the men & women of the armed forces...but this just looks like rah rah republican hawkishness of the highest order.
And pimping out real Seals as the selling point of this movie just stinks in my opinion.
Propaganda of the highest order. I am reminded of the Bush era "You're either with us or against us" crap that just makes me want to puke.
Because nobody question his words then...thousands of brave men & women died in an illegal war and tens of thousands more came back maimed. These soldiers were used as fodder by a bunch of chicken hawks. And it makes me sick that the Republican party is once again pounding its chest with false patriotism as if THEIR party owns the word.
The way they didn't give Obama credit for killing Bin Laden or Kaddafi and are trying to paint him as weak on defense is insulting. They are doing with Iran what they did with Iraq. And God help us...and the brave troops they use to perpetuate yet another needless war and nation building fiasco in the Middle East.
I hope Americans aren't stupid enough to buy it this time. The way the Republican propaganda machine actually convinced a majority of Americans that John Kerry was a coward and Bush was a War hero is either Proof of how gullible Americans are or how persuasive the Republican are, i dunno.
I just get chills when I see how this film is being promoted on Fox News...and how pride in our military and our country is trying to be co-opted and owned once again by the right.
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You're either for the war or you hate the troops
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and again...fuck it...aint gonna keep writing this shit to have this site cut it off
Harry - the old site never EVER did this..not once in years...this new shit blows...sorry. -
Feb 24, 2012 12:56:30 PM CST
A movie about Navy SEALS HAS to show them in a positive light
by d.vader
Do you really want a movie about Navy SEALS to *not* show them as badass heroes killing the bad guys to keep people safe?
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MAYBE THE SEALS SHOULD TAKE OUT THE REAL EVIL IN AMERICA, THE DAMN LIBERAL MUPPETS, THE LIBERAL LORAX AND ALL THE OTHER DAMN CARTOON CHARACTERS THAT ARE CORRUPTING AMERICA'S YOUTH WITH THEIR DAMN LIBERAL AGENDA. GOD BLESS ACT OF VALOR - SO WHAT IF IT SUCKS ASS AS A MOVIE - ITS PRO-AMERICAN DAMMIT, AND THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.!!!!!!
Conservatives are funny folk. Limboob didn't say this, but he did say:
Just got home and was listening to Limboob on the radio talknig about this movie. He says the liberal media is afraid of this movie and is trying to kill it.
Like I said - comedian Rush...
It makes sense that conservatives should flock to what sounds like a completely shitty movie on all levels, because their sheeple radar tells them that it would be patriotric to support a pro-American movie with a conservative agenda.
Simpletons.
Suckers.
Cueing Mr. Barnum, Mr. P.T. Barnum... -
conservatives who listen to rush because they like what he has to say...or people like you who listen to rush cause they hate him...either way you're lining his pockets.
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Feb 24, 2012 1:03:35 PM CST
seals vs. the muppets- someone make this into a film-- STAT!!!!
by mcgootoo
Because it would be all pro-American-y and stuff and it would be really neato
- it would make me want to die for my country to protect the freedom of corporations to do whatever they want while killing off all those evil fureners.
Why, it would be even better propaganda for kids than the Bible!!!!!!!!
And just a thought, if parents stopped brainwashing their kids with the cultural necessity of religion from baptising on- wouldn't the dominance of religion vanish in just one generation and worshippers ridiculed or locked up to be cured for the insanity of their beliefs?
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Feb 24, 2012 1:07:06 PM CST
@cinemajerk - You seem to have forgotten that the democrats were in charge of congrees and authorized the war but you dont blame them along with Bush but just the republicans.
by naruto_uzimaki
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Your coment reveals you to be a brainwashed asshole with memory loss and an inability to comprehend reality.
Typical conservative. -
Listeing to Rush gives me a clue as to why so many conservatives say really stupid things - they like to parrot instead of think.
You assume I hate him, dolt- he is a funny comedian!
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why don't you test your theory about parents brainwashing their kids through religion. Pick any middle eastern Muslim country...tell them they're all idiots to worship Allah and Mohammed...rinse and repeat.
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Until troops start landing on our shores, or bombs start raining down on our country- you know those things that American conservatives seems to love so much and support when WE do it to other countries- there is no necessity to send American troops anywhere.
But those fucking terrorist Muppets- we gotta take them out and make the world safer for marionettes of all colors and creeds.
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I'm not just against the religion you object to and obviously are afraid of, idiot - I'm against all religion- I was thinking globally - not like a dumbass conservative hater of anything that is not Christianity...
And your retort obviously missed my point, but that is to be expected from a simle-minded brainwashed fool such as yourself...
The Flying Spaghetti Monster deity, of course is OK to worship. He's tasty with a little marinara and whine... -
Calmer than you are.
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Well, aren't you special...
I'm as calm as a conservative hating Obama just for being black... -
yeah, well...ya know that's just like your opinion man.
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Do i blame the democrats? Sure. But Bush and his administration LIED about weapons of mass destruction. They fabricated evidence linking Iraq, and OUTED a CIA operative Valery Plane whose husband wrote an article saying there was no evidence of yellow cake being smuggled into Iraq from Africa.
Spin it all you want, but it was BUSH & Cheney's war. I hold them directly responsible for creating the atmosphere of fear and exploiting patriotism for their own agenda to invade Iraq.
Were the Democrats and people of America guilty of going along? Yup. But they were duped and mislead. And the Republican Chicken Hawks used fear and false patriotism to put pressure on anyone who questioned them. -
Tres Amigos del Culo: Venganza del Recto Olvidado
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When the US military is out killing our enemies and forwarding our national/corporate interests under the watch of Bush, they're baby killers, oppressors, nazis, murderers, and none of you can shut up about it. When they do it under Obama, you still somehow manage to blame the right wing and attack anyone outside your belief system. Ha ha - fucking suckers. Remember when Obama promised to shut down Guantanamo Bay? I wonder what you'll say when he goes after Iran?
Politicians are all the same: Liars, bought and paid for by corporations and special interest groups. If any of you are stupid enough to think differently, please off yourself and save us the tax bruden.
But hey - stick with whatever makes you feel more enlightened than everyone else. You're coming off great, especially you "9/11 was an inside job" dopes. I could read your insanity all day long. You don't know how embarrassing you are, do you? Please: Never stop beating that drum. -
l..and Madea wouldn't exist without ya'll but.."; "No 'but' Madea..well maybe one or two" the Star of Norbit cackled loudly at himself. "Hey Eddie...you want some this chicken before you get up to bat? Shits going cold as your career." Martin hawd, his mouth full of Southern California's second favorite chicken as he pushed the box over to Murphy, "Don't mind if I do you street dancing lunatic. Any fuckin Thighs in this bitch...I like my Chicken like I like my ass..tough, hot and dark." Eddie began to rifle through the pieces. "Uh huh...well ain't nuthing TOO TOUGH but Tyler here...look um...he shakin in his Moo Moo." Martin grabbed America's favorite multi-million dollar stereoype and pushed him over the sink, fumbling with his leather pants.
"Think you can out do Big Mama..uh huh...you ain't even close to Big Mama till that cornbread been buttered" Martin shouted as he jammed his chicken grease coated dick into Perry's virgin manhole. Tyler was surprised at the lack of sensation, finding it less invasive than his last prostate exam, and strangley pleasurable..."Ooooh Good Lawd" he called out. "Call me Big Mama...Madea..Call me Big Mama!" Martin shouted at the slightly distressed money making machine; "Oooh Good Lawd Big Mama!" replied the buggered brinks truck. "Aww...there you go Tyler...see...now you in touch with your inner Madea...go on girl...let her out..." Eddie mused between bites..."You gettin off easy man...I got my shit broke hard in by LaWanda Page...didn't need no strap on either...girl had a clit like a porpoise nose".
Eddie looked over Spike, his cap now hanging off his head, crazed eyes looking for any chance of escaping a nightmare he never envisioned, "Don't you go laughin Mookie...all that shit talking bout how a man make his livin, you getting yours soon enough...and we got a special player jus for you...just like old Tyler here, from now on you can get into your role from experience. Jaw off about getting fucked over by the man, now you'll talk from experience... hell the man the only fuckers dumb enough to see your shit anyway; ..hey...here he come right now" Amid the sounds of Tylers exertions a tall form walked in...slightly stooped, but reeking of power and confidence...the dim light from the bare bulb illuminating his steel blue eyes; "Waa Waa Waaaaaaa" Eddie shouted out...
Stay Tuned for...
"Tre Amigos del Culo: Venganza del Recto Olvidado" Summer 2014
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Propaganda at its worst....
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After the heroic SEALs come home injured, the government tells them that it was a pre-existing condition...
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Opening scene: A Libyan Princess says "Your Princess is in another castle............ In Iran!
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Obama ENDED the illegal war in Iraq. He got rid of Kaddafi without firing a shot or spilling any US SOLDIER BLOOD. He killed Bin Laden...something Bush could not only NOT do in 8 years...but something he didnt even care about.
I agree. I distrust ALL politicians. Alot of Liberals, myself included are upset with Obama for not closing Guantanimo. But I also strongly feel that it will be closed should Obama get re-elected. UNLIKE if a Republican wins...it will stay open indefinitely.
Also, about Iran. Alot will depend on what Isreal does. Obama is leading many nations(except Russia & China) with the largest sanctions ever against Iran.
But i will say this, Obama is not beating the war drums about Iran like the Republicans are.
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Ever find it kinda ironic that regarding the economy Obama inherited everything from the Bush team...but regarding all the intelligence Obama inherited from Bush which led to the killing of OBL, Obama is quiet. Can't have it both ways, plus a lot of the intelligence came from Gitmo.
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The whole system is corrupt.... Obama, Bush...... All the same shit....
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Feb 24, 2012 3:03:19 PM CST
Hey cinemajerk...bah, never mind - jamiekage already owned U.
by no_more_comic_movies
See how that works?
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Obama didn't end an war. He stuck to the time-table that Bush implemented.
Bush won the peace in Iraq with The Surge which significantly degraded the terrorist elements in the country.
Please, look into it. You know, with dates and figured relating to number of attacks and causalities. I''d go ahead and tell you but then you would be able to learn for yourself and that is really the only was to change a committed idealogue's mind.
Obama was against The Surge. Except that when it worked he turned around and did in the Afghanistan by inserting 50K troops.
Your congratulations to Obama for overthrowing Qadafi will turn to bitter herbs, my friend, as Islamists will take over Libya, Tunisia, Egypt and any other country where Obama meddles with perfectly stable regimes.
Islamists with the stated goal of a global caliphate.
Again don't take my work for it. Read the Egyptian press. What is that you say, good liberal? You don't read Arabic? Not very diverse of you. Press the Google translate button then.
You really have to ask what his motivation in toppling these Arab dictatorships are. It seems all his moves help the Islamists achieve their goals.
And lastly we come to the Bin Laden raid. Well planned, well executed based on information provided by a courier who is NOW BACK WITH AL QAEDA.
Just like Zarqawi, Al Qaeda gave Bin Laden up to the Americans, when he was no longer useful.
See, the majority of Al Qaeda never wanted a war with the United States. The Doctor (the real brains of the operation) and his crew - all former EIJ - were against 9/11.
The Doctor wanted to overthrow Mubarak in Egypt and set-up the fledgling caliphate there.
Now that Egypt is in play, thanks to Obama and his failure to back Mubarak (in exactly the same way Carter failed to back the Shah of Iran), Al Qaeda has a much more manageable goal.
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This is for you dopes talking about the...
GASP!
"illegal war!" (thanks to bloated bazionaire Michael Moore for that) in Iraq that Bush and Cheney "duped" everyone into:
Are you really so fucking stupid that you believe the left didn't also know that there were no WMDs in there?
If so, again, please off yourself.
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1. to create a secure flight path for Israel when bombing Iran's nuclear facilities
2. to keep US Military muscle flexed (and boy is it, US could totally fight the entire world's military combined ALONE and win)
3. to keep the fight over there (there meaning overseas, and not in our backyard) because WW III is going to be a whole lot survivable for the human race fought in a lifeless desert -
It is about the Govt NOT doing what they are supposed to do...... To Represent the PEOPLE, not fucking corporations
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finally someone that makes sense but let's not forget the 20-something percent of known oil reserves under Iraq
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Hate to burst your Republican bubble....but those in the military who ACTUALLY FOUND Bin Laden have gone on record that the intel was NOT obtained from Bush and his waterboarding. FACT.
But Cheney and Republicans like you have pathetically tried to spin it as such.
Do you even REMEMBER how Bush was famously asked while playing golf no less...as he was planning to start war with Iraq...WHERE WAS BIN LADEN???
And he said...."I DONT CARE! NOW WATCH THIS SWING!"
Or...at a $10,000 a plate dinner for fund raisers...how Bush stood on stage with pictures of himself projected behind him of him looking under his desk and behind the curtains....and Bush had the GALL to joke, "NOPE. NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION THERE!"
As thousands of brave troops were dying over in Iraq!
Seriously. Fuck YOU and all you Chicken Hawk Republican apologists!
You don't have a monopoly on patriotism. And you DONT speak for the troops.
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Feb 24, 2012 4:26:54 PM CST
Hey totalreality...a Republican would not have ended the war...
by cinemajerk
FACT. If you think that if a Republican were in the whitehouse he would have withdrawn the troops from Iraq you are friggin DILLUSIONAL.
EVERY ONE of the Republicans running were against the withdrawal. your ex VP Cheney came out and said it was premature. So don't give me any of this Bush time table CRAP.
Republicans are a bunch of Chicken hawks.
Obama got Bin Laden. FACT.
Obama got Kaddafi without firing a single shot or sending in a single US troop. FACT.
Bush killed thousands of our brave troops needlessly. He left this country in economic turmoil.
Obama ended his fucking mistake of an illegal war. FACT. And he is turning around this economy. FACT.
I find it soooo funny how Republicans are soooo worried about deficits now, when they were run up and the government overspent so heavily under Bush. But now, under Obama....they have a problem? Puh-lease.
The economy handed to Obama was so fucked up, that he HAD to spend to stimulate. Any economist will tell you that during a recession you HAVE to spend to jump start things. Obama stated it was going to take time...but the economy is turning around....and Republicans are starting to FREAK out.
i LOVE it. I love how friggin the Republican party is a FRIGGIN MESS right now. Just makes me smile.
They want the economy to tank. They need it to tank. They have tried to block ANY and all efforts by Obama to create jobs. But Obamas efforts are paying off. What the Republicants have done and are doing is treasonous. And they will pay dearly come November.
Not only will Obama be re-elected. But the Dems gonna win back control of congress and the economy is REALLY gonna fly then. Watch.
Game over Republicants. Game friggin over. -
...how worthless film critics are.
It helps to keep in mind that you should never listen to the opinion of someone who sits in the dark and watches movies all day.
You should even listen to their opinion about movies.
Remember, Pauline Kael, the so-called "most positive influence on film in generations" critic according to Roger Ebert, gave negative reviews to Raiders of the Lost Ark and Star Wars, but thought that Last Tango in Paris was so good that it altered the face of film as art.
People who choose to sit and watch movies all day, and then write about them as if anyone gives a fuck, have already aimed low in life, and couldn't possibly understand why those of us who actually admire the Navy SEALs could enjoy this film.
Only a virgin, leftist, geek like Nordling could have a hard time calling the SEALs heroic, but unfortunately political correctness is a cruel mental disease.
I saw the movie today and it was great. The Costa Rican raid where they are rescued by swift boats is probably the best part of the film, and I hope it does well. -
Keep staring at the surface, you might even see your own reflection if you try hard enough
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Every time I read a talkback it's conservative this and liberal that. You all know you've been brainwashed, right?
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But a lot of us to be sure.
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You're joking, right? Every review is biased, just like every talkback.
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Nothing more. Keep parroting the right wing looney talking points. You sound like a real scholar. Sheesh.
As Bill Maher and the late great George Carlin would say, America is fuckin stoopid because of people like you. :-P -
Feb 24, 2012 6:57:06 PM CST
I was going to make a joke about the movie being called Act of Valor and the SEALs not being able to act.....
by yelsaeb
but I can't think of one.
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Feb 24, 2012 7:10:27 PM CST
Early box office has this doing 27-28 million for the weekend
by rainbowtrout1265
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Feb 24, 2012 7:16:53 PM CST
Just saw movie and seals can't act for shit but I got to see a whole lot of mother fuckers get killed. Movie made me proud to be a american then I came here and want to slit my wrist.
by naruto_uzimaki
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Feb 24, 2012 7:19:38 PM CST
cinemajerk - you're a good candidate for the moring after pill, I know its a little late but do me a favor and take a few tonight, maybe they'll still work.
by naruto_uzimaki
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Feb 24, 2012 8:00:44 PM CST
Naruto...if u needed this film to remind u to be a proud American...
by cinemajerk
That is just pathetic. You're a Glenn Beck reject Chicken Hawk mutha fuckah. End of story.
Are the producers of this propaganda donating all the box offices proceeds to the wounded Vets?
I seriously doubt that.
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Jesse Ventura. Now that mutha Fuckin' Seal can act! :-P
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You went to term anyway and spilled out a jingoistic retarded mongaloid.
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Feb 24, 2012 9:24:21 PM CST
'Early box office has this doing 27-28 million for the weekend' - Bullcrap
by teabaggerharry
Even the maker of this turd are projecting that it will make no more than 17 million.
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That's for socialist wanna-be BHO voters. Our vets are proud to see real men showing what real soldiers do everyday to keep pussies like you safe under your Star Wars sheets. Oh, and KSM spilled his guts like a mother fucker after they water boarded him. They got tons of actionable intel from him. Who gives a fuck if it hurt his feelings? Or yours? Why didn't Obama shut down Guantanamo? Cause when he got in office and got an intelligence briefing about who is actually there, it involuntarily pulled his head out of his ass. He's not that stupid.
But, it's good to see a couple good Americans on here. cinemajerk, you can suck a dick, though. -
I wonder if BHO loving Hollywood will include the part where our fearless leader did his best to delay Seal Team 6's mission cause he was afraid of hurting someones feelings? Just like he tried to delay the Seals from shooting those hijackers off Somalia until the ship captain gave the okay after he got tired of waiting. Or when Clinton informed Pakistan's intelligence we were sending cruise missiles into Afghanistan to blast Osama after tower attack part 1, so they could give their buddy the heads-up as soon as Slick Willy got off the phone. Pakistan's former intel chief admitted that one. Those things mysteriously never show up in the papers or on the network news.
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Feb 24, 2012 9:59:38 PM CST
For example: if I stated I was a a gay Athiest, pro gay marriage, democrat who is voting Obama... Chances are I will be treated semi respectfully from the right...
by bishamon
Feb 24, 2012 12:41:33 AM CST
Eveelcapitalist
by tacoloft
For example: if I stated I was a a gay Athiest, pro gay marriage, democrat who is voting Obama... Chances are I will be treated semi respectfully from the right
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Yeah, cause that's exactly how they treat people who fall in those categories you described...respectfully. :rolleyes: -
This movie looks terrible. The acting looks bad, the action scenes I've seen in clips look done-to-death clichéd, the whole thing seems like it was made by and for immature kids. I don't care if Navy SEALs were involved or not I think it looks ridiculous. So what - that makes me anti-American? Criticize the movie and suddenly you're pro-terrorist? Crap is crap. If your politics blind you into liking something you know is garbage then I feel sorry for you (Dances with Wolves anyone?). And if you can't tell good filmmaking from trite, derivative garbage well, nothing is going to help you is it? And yeah, that applies to you lefties and wingnuts alike.
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I'm glad Nordling made a big issue out of the propaganda in this movie. I like action movies so I usually check these sort of movies out, even though I believe that 9/11 was an inside job, infowars.com
The first person shooter parts of the movie had me cracking up. It looks just like you are playing Medal of Honor. The first action sequence where they rescue the woman was pretty cool actually, but the movie rapidly spiraled down-hill from there.
It's a lot like Ghost Rider, some cool action scenes but a shitty script. -
Feb 24, 2012 10:41:17 PM CST
the acting is bad because they used real navy seals, right?
by winona_ryders_pussy_juice
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Feb 24, 2012 10:45:07 PM CST
Hey ibreske..."Real" vets aren't proud to see this crap...
by cinemajerk
I am a real vet ya pussy. Fought in the first Gulf war. And i have a brain. This is a shit movie by hacks. Marketed by suits who know nothing about real combat. They think just because they cast real Seals and go on Fox News saying how they used live ammo - that it will somehow make it a realistic combat movie?
The reviews on this site and others prove my point. It's almost friggin unanimous. This is amateur hour. Propaganda at its worse.
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when was the first gulf war fought? and don't look it up on wikipedia. Got a funny feeling, with the internet tough guy act you seem to love, you've never been more than 20 feet away from a computer at any moment in the past 10 years or so.
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And you thought the 80's were bad with over the top jingoism. Thats nothing compared to what hollywood is force feeding us these days. Transformers, Pearl Harbor, Independence Day, and a number of other movies that I can't think of right now. And some people have the gall to criticize those old Norris/Stallone movies of the past? At least those were very much tongue in cheek and never really took themselves too seriously. With military war themed movies of today, you can almost smell the over the top drama.
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Feb 24, 2012 11:43:02 PM CST
Stargrove - you're extreme dislike of "Greenzone" is unfounded, but it does illustrate a difficult fact about that film's uneasy existence.
by chaunceygardiner
As an action film, "Green Zone" is brilliant. As a political film, much less so.
The problem is that it gives in to the desire to have a villain: it calls people out who it feels acted villainously. The hard fact is that often, especially in politics, true villains are rarely convinced of their own villainy.
"Green Zone" is based on a piece of journalism named "Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq's Green Zone" by Rajiv Chandrasekaran. It details the efforts of an actual soldier who was one of the recipients of the faulty intell that resulted in "Operation: Iraqi Freedom." In his frustration and disillusionment, he sought to understand both the nature and the path of what he soon came to believe were lies.
The problem with the film is that it actually pits him against a representative of the U.S. Executive Branch and it becomes a relationship of enmity in which that representative actually seeks for the silenceing and death of the soldier. This was a bad choice on Brian Hegeland's part, as much as I like him as a screen writer and appreciates the muscularity of the film. The truth was much more ambigious - but it did not have an action climax.
So in the end, it is strange heady mixture of truth, fact, and fictional entertainment. It is an uneasy match, considering the importance that exists in our country to understand that war, what got us into it, with respective blame given to all parties.
It is not anti-American; but it is certainly anti-Iraq war, and for good reason.
Because there is contention in our country does not mean that there are clear paths of delineation between good and evil. And indeed, you are right, we are all desperately trying to assign blame in ways that completely blur the picture. But it is important for us to realize that we went to war for the wrong reason in Iraq. It was an act of vengeance on the behalf of an administration that saw it as an easy target. There were many motivations, and whatever they were, their result was a massive loss of life. The deaths of women, children, men, soldiers, men of good and bad deed alike. And it is shameful.
It is, sir. Lives lost for nothing, for blindness sake, this is waste.
Reconciliation in our country must begin with acknowledgement of this sin. And it was - despite Sept. 11th, despite the seething political anger in our world, despite unrest.
When we invaded Iraqi we helped to make the world a worse place. I believe that to be the truth. -
Feb 24, 2012 11:44:37 PM CST
And we need not act like pack animals. There is truth in discontentment.
by chaunceygardiner
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that invading iraq made the world a worse place as you say.
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Feb 25, 2012 12:40:25 AM CST
Knuckleduster there are only two types of people in America
by darth_inedible
Progressives versus everyone else.
Common sense versus The Doctrine.
There's no point in ignoring them, or trying to play the "centrist" balancing act because eventually you're going to do or say something heretical to The Progressive Doctrine, and you'll be called a Fox News watching trog who is probably a racist.
Does this explain why Americans tend to group themselves into Progressives(liberals) and non-Progressives(conservatives)? -
...Not directly of course, but KSM only began to break down Al Queda's organizational structure after a healthy dose of waterboarding, which of course lead to us driving Al Qaeda underground and slowing killing off the command structure and eventually Bin Laden himself.
And all the Progressive angst about waterboarding is hilarious. Yes what a horrific injustice it is that we waterboarded the operational commander of a terrorist attack on our financial and governmental epicenters that killed 3000 Americans and was threatening ten times worse at the time. Sure Hiroshima was pretty rough justice, as was Dresden, but waterboarding poor old KSM, that was some straight up Nazi shit! -
That says a lot
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Yes anyone who talks in terms of "liberal" and "conservative" is a fucking retard...and there are a lot of them out there.
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Feb 25, 2012 1:17:41 AM CST
26% on Rotten Tomatoes by CRITICS like Nordling. Its got 85% positive review from the actual audience.
by naruto_uzimaki
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Feb 25, 2012 1:58:52 AM CST
JamieKage, wow - I dislike these political debates. It is as though they force you into contention.
by chaunceygardiner
My immediate reaction to your post was a reflex, way to deflect your point. I tried to pass blame, try to ignore the importance of your statement, but to no avail.
It is difficult that we live in a world where to "free" people we must be willing to kill in order to do so.
War truly is something of the Wrath of God. It is an immuteable, brutal event - and it judges harshly. -
I'm not even from the right but every fucking time they come in and hammer their rethoric to demean and tarnish stuff that they don't like. They're like a bunch of parasites and hyenas. Nordling is the perfect hateful posterboy of this kind of shit. hipsters living in their ivory towers, thinking that what they want is what everyone wants, cynical, emo nerd quasi-gay stuff. that's the futur of our nation, folks. scratch that-the present of our nation.
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Feb 25, 2012 5:00:45 AM CST
The LEFT always demean heroism? Tell that to the RIGHT who "Swift-Boated" John Kerry...
by cinemajerk
A true war hero. A guy who volunteered in the Vietnam war and who fought bravely while Bush was a friggin draft dodger who went awol in the fuckin' national guard for cryin' out loud!
Kerry not only comes back a Hero...wounded in battle...he has the guts to protest the war on the steps of Congress and was instrumental in changing their attitude about the war when he famously said, nobody wants to be the last man to die for a mistake...
And yet the right wing FUCKS who never fought a day in their life funded an attack ad bullshit campaign in the 2004 elections that called Kerry a coward and actually insinuated that he shot himself to get out of the war and loom a hero.
Those FUCKS. Worse...they actually tried to make BUSH look like a hero who was strong on War. Those mutha fucking chicken hawk mutha fuckers.
This myth that the Left are anti hero is the biggest lie perpetuated by the likes of pussies like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck whose only combat they experience is the daily fight they have with themselves over what food they stuff their fat faces with. :-P -
Its not propaganda. Operators really DONT like liberal pussies. Wolves dont respect sheep. Its hard to respect and protect those without the balls to do it themselves. Nothing more irritating then some leftist armchair quarterback commenting on shit they know nothing about and yes, Ive been on on a few kick in the door snatch and grabs. The closest the majority of the troll like mouthbreathers that populate this site will get to 'living the life' is their XBox so save your breath, Nordling...comment on the quality of the movie as a movie and save the rest of your uninformed musings for the basement dwelling masses this site caters to. FYI, HURT LOCKER was an inaccurate pile of shit that those of us that did this shit for real pissed on and youre saying to wait for Bigelows take. What a joke. You want propaganda? HURT LOCKER was propaganda. There was so much wrong with that turd I dont know where to start. Comment on things you know about...this obviously isnt one of them.
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That's the kind of guy you can have an intelligent conversation with. Maybe a little off the mark, but that's okay.
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Feb 25, 2012 10:23:38 AM CST
Cineninja...there are more Conservative pussies than Liberal pussies...
by cinemajerk
Hate to enlighten you bro....but the Right is so full of pussies who send our troops to war when they never fought a day in their lives.
Liberals may speak out against illegal wars...but when they act...they act decisively and with conviction. They won't put our blood and treasure...the troops in harms way unless it's absolutely necessary.
Bush & Cheney abandoned the initial mission to get Bin Laden and those responsible for 9/11 in Afghanistan...and diverted our troops to Iraq based on lies.
Bush & Cheney and most Republicans are a bunch of pussy chicken hawks. Period. -
http://www.facebook.com/ercboxoffice
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Why don't you just go fuck yourself?
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Cool - lots off assholes liked up to see a shitty movie, like good little programmed conservative zombies
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Feb 25, 2012 12:10:32 PM CST
they left some key plot points out of the story
by winona_ryders_pussy_juice
Where were the Mossad and CIA undercover agents controlling and manipulating the terrorist cells?
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Feb 25, 2012 2:00:57 PM CST
Seems like the propaganda movies designed for conservatives are soulless, artless pieces of contrived drivel
by mcgootoo
....so their dumbed down target audience can understand them. As long as it is the message they want to hear, fuck the cinematic finesse, eh? Dummies....
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Act of Valor made $9 million on Friday.
Today is Saturday.
And you say it made $26 million opening weekend?
Are you Criswell, or just another fucked up conservative living in an alternate reality?
Even conservatives need to have their movies to love. But fuck them anyway.
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Feb 25, 2012 2:28:44 PM CST
Wonder how many conservatives who HATE shakeycam will LOVE this movie?
by mcgootoo
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Man needs only to blame himself for being a violent monkey who thinks killing the enemy is just another sport for heroes.
Defense, self-preservation, survival, fine - killing for other reasons - monkeys with suits.
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Feb 25, 2012 4:03:11 PM CST
Movies made for conservatives SUCK. Atlas Shrugged anyone?
by cinemajerk
Seriously. Part one of that movie bombed so bad that they might not even be able to finance parts two & three. Lol.
There is a reason that conservatives aren't sexy, cool, funny OR creative. They are too uptight.
The cool, sexy, funny, creative types are mostly Liberal & progressive.
Thats not a generality either. :-) -
Story here: http://tinyurl.com/7cezlfb
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Why didn't Quint or Capone review Act Of Valor? Merrick, Harry and Nordling are the most leftist hippies on this site and should not be allowed to review war films. I saw the same movie and it was very well photographed (some shots were absolutely beautiful and artsy), the sound design was stellar and the action scenes were as intense as they get. The sobbing and sniffling in my theater at the end of the movie tells me that people were emotionally involved with the characters/story. The acting was stiff but there really wasn't much dialogue at all. So this review comes across to me as propaganda because it spins the truth to fit an agenda. That's my 2 cents and the movie was #1 and the outgoing audience reviews are mostly an A rating. Reviewers are completely out of touch with reality.
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The filmmakers followed the SEALs around for 5 years filming actual training missions to capture the footage. The Department Of Defense gave the filmmakers full access during this time. The movie is as authentic as we will ever see. Even SEALs interviewed after a screening said it gave people a good idea of what they are about without giving away any secrets.
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He was there, man. For everything. And if he wasn't there, he read about it on some website that can tell him the real story. As they see it, that is. Point is, he's smarter than you and can tell what's good and what you want. Just like all Democrats: the slavery party.
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