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Behold These Lovely HD Reconstructions Of STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE TV Spots!!

Merrick here...

The astonishingly talented Daren R. Dochterman, whose work I have personally respected for years, has himself a hobby at the moment.  This hobby may seem a tad peculiar to some, but to a die hard mega-Geek like me, his efforts make perfect sense.  And my guess is it might to many of you, too.  So I thought I'd share this.  

Backing up a little for context...

Dochterman is production illustrator, concept artist, storyboardist, etc. on a number of very high profile films: THE CHRONICELS OF RIDDICK, TRON LEGACY, SE7EN, G.I. JOE: THE RISE OF COBRA, and IRON MAN 2 are among his credits.  

He's also a visual effects artist.  

In what is perhaps his crowning achievement to date (in the VFX field), Dochterman served as Visual Effects Supervisor for 2001's amazing "Director's Edition" of STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE.  This under appreciated gem, which has gone unrecognized by many to this day, visited a tremendous number of changes onto director Robert Wise's 1979 film - countless editorial tweaks (often very minute), some re-jiggering of sound, some re-visitation of previously flawed FX shots, and the apparently seamless integration of several new effects shots.  This isn't a "Special Edition" in the clumsier, George Lucas sense.  This is an exercise in subtlety - sometimes so much so that you might not even notice such augmentations that are afoot.  It may well be the best "Special Edition" undertaking of its kind ever realized.  If it isn't, it certainly ranks him among them.  

The result?  It's still STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE, but it more or less completed a process director Wise didn't have time to see through when the film was rushed to release back in December '79.  The result is a breezier, richer, and in many regards more complete narrative experience - which was, by the way, realized under guidance from Wise himself.  22 years after the fact, Wise (along with Dochterman, producer David C. Fein, restoration supervisor Mike Matessino, and a posse of damn talented crafts people) finally gave us a movie much closer to the picture he had in mind so long ago.  The picture, and audiences, and posterity, are better for it.  

So there's the background, and Dochterman loves STAR TREK.  Despite the breadth of his accomplishments, TREK never seems to be far from his view.  For example, he recently undertook re-creating the original STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE television spots, none of which are in true HD on the Blu-ray (the original version of the film is the only version released on Blu-ray - the Director's Edition is not).  He's essentially pulling the equivalent footage off of the Blus, and re-assembling the spots using the discs HD source material.  These spots have never before been seen with such visual crispness, or depth of color.  And they're pretty amazing.

For all of  STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE's admitted imperfections, these spots...are something magical.  There's an elegance here...a poetry...a grandeur which I'm not  sure any other television promotion for a film has equaled since.  Which is somehow appropriate, because STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE was also the last, epic space saga to bring us Kubrickian wonder - for better or worse.  I remember, so vividly, seeing the second video - titled "Challenge" here - before being hauled off to sing at a school choir performance.  I was in such awe, and so moved by its music and imagery,  that I literally forgot the words to every song I was supposed to sing that night.  Good thing I was in a choir - I moved my mouth so no one would notice.  Although I suspect someone did.  

Here are Dochterman's slavishly precise reconstructions of the STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE television spots, and more are apparently on the way.  Keep you eye on THIS playlist for new additions as they come around.  Behold what may be the last truly wondrous television spots created for any film, for the last truly grand "experiential" space adventure brought to screens.  There have been other space-centric movies to be sure, but have any of them closely paralled the vibe and scope of TREK: TMP?  Whose closest archetype was 2001 elevn years earlier?  I can't think of a single one at the moment.  And that's too bad.  It's a shame mainstream Science Fiction films grew afraid to be heady - maybe someday they'll make a return.  Until they do, at least we still have this.

STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE is important.  If for no other reason than because Orson Welles is telling us so.  Enjoy!  











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  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    I have yet to be mature enough to watch this movie

    by stillsberry

    Jar Jar rules!...I'm not ready yet.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    live long and prosper

    by HornyForHarry

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    rated G

    by percane

    we've been talking a lot what with prometheus coming out, about R vs PG-13, how much you want to bet if STTMP was released today it would be PG instead of G

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Blu-ray version of Special Edition...

    by KentButabi

    can he 'hobby up' on that, please?

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:31 a.m. CST

    So the blu-ray is coming......when now?

    by Logan_1973

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST

    percane and youre_gonna_bust_dixie

    by DArque Bishop

    It technically IS rated PG now. Paramount submitted the Director's Edition for reclassification right before release and the ratings board gave it a PG. Makes sense; I never understood how it got a G rating when two people died horribly in a transporter accident...

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Orson Welles could even give cheap booze gravitas...

    by BurnHollywood

    Paul Masson will sell no wine, before its time... ...Or before you plonk down five bucks for a half gallon of this alcoholic grape juice, either one.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Is that Orson Welles narrating these trailers?

    by PercussionBomb

    If so, that makes this even cooler to me.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Don't expect the Director's Cut blu-ray anytime soon

    by la_sith

    Until Paramount is ready to pony up the $$$ to remaster the special effects that they mastered in SD (most illogical), we are stuck with the theatrical only. And I don't see them paying that for what is, to most consumers, a double-dip.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST

    cool stuff!

    by DavidBanner

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST

    HD Transfers - awesome!

    by Jake Pantlin

    I was very impressed with the work that Daren has done on these. Hopefully they will post them on a future DVD release for TMP. As for the Directors cut, it has not been released on Blu-Ray yet because the new FX from the Special Edition have to be essentially remastered in a higher resolution. Hopefully all the work was saved. Some of the FX, like the new background on Vulcan, should probably be redone again by Daren, as they look a bit cartoony now on the Special Edition.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Merrick + STAR TREK article = Professionalism

    by YackBacker

    I want TREKbacks, Merrick. I'm a WHO fan too but I want a place for TREK fans to play as well. This is a helluva good start. :-)

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST

    "Kubrickian Wonder"?

    by la_sith

    I hold a special place in my heart for ST: TMP, but there is nothing Kubrickian about it. It's a movie-length version of the TOS episode "The Changeling". As much as I love Trek, I can't see Stanley Kubrick getting anything more than a chuckle out of this franchise.

  • Oh, I kid. But seriously, they would. Really, though, the transporter scene is pretty scarring.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Totally under appreciated film

    by darkgrafix

    I was never the biggest Trek fan but did have an appreciation for sci fi and the show and even bought a lot of the model kits but when this film came out it took me by surprise. The humor, the darkness of it, the music by Goldsmith, the FX blew me away and the awe, mystery and wonder of flying through V'ger. The intro of the Klingons with that theme in itself was enough to make smile. So many people found it boring and not true to the Trek legacy but it sure found a home and a start of a new franchise which brought us Wrath of Khan and TNG. I for one still love to listen to the soundtrack and watch it every now and then. It brought back my love for the original show which I also bought the remastered on iTunes.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Directors cut is awesome.

    by The_Maltese_Vulcan

    But when that first Star Trek movie came out it truly was magical to see it in the theatre despite any FX flaws.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Love the Director's Cut of this movie.

    by billF

    Live Long and Prosper.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST

    I'm holding out that Promethius will be "Kubrikian"

    by The_Maltese_Vulcan

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST

    I assume the Director's Cut changes worked

    by Keith

    I watched it last year, and having not seen the original cut for around twenty years I wasn't able to distinguish the changes, but I really enjoyed the movie. It seemed much more engaging than I'd remembered from my youth. How much of that was the result of the changes versus me being older I'm not sure, but I found it very absorbing.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:53 a.m. CST

    there is nothing Kubrickian about it

    by Keith

    No TOS episode would have had long, lingering sequences with no dialogue, designed to have a sense of spectacle sweep over the viewer. That seems very Kubrickian to me.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Starship Xanadu

    by Rex Carsalot

    Man, they loved their prismatic lighting effects.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Boredom does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Maybe I will have to revisit this movie with the Directors Cut, I really didn't think much of it at the time. And I have seen it again once since and again thought it was a very dull, turgid film. I know Merrick here is comparing it to Kubrick but isn't it generally regarded as something of a turkey. I'm not a big trekkie but i'm sure that there's an algebraic equation that says all the even entries are good and the odd entries are shit? TMP being the first odd entry. Respect to Mr Dochterman who is rejigging fx. I doubt it's the best 'special edition' of its kind though, that honor ought to go to Adywan's STAR WARS REVISITED.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:58 a.m. CST


    by Keith

    'i'm sure that there's an algebraic equation that says all the even entries are good and the odd entries are shit?' That's a predicate, not an equation. :p

  • Feb. 21, 2012, noon CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    misterdarcy you mathematical master! (I don't even know what a predicate is but i'll take your word for it).

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST


    by Keith

    It's simple logic.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST

    I'll take 3D Menace over this any day.

    by DarthBlart

    The thing Phantom Mencae has going for it right now is that people are finally looking at Quigon as the main character now because of Liam Neeson's sudden action hero popularity, so it makes the movie actually enjoyable to watch his character carry the show. And be annoyed by JarJar.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Love it!

    by freerangecelt

    I was 13 when the movie came out and could not wait to go see it. My brother took me to see it as a Christmas gift and I still remember having the mini poster from Coca Cola on my wall. "The Human Adventure is just Beginning." Awesome :)

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST

    What a great time for scifi movies... the late 70's

    by ufoclub1977

    That was when you could only see cutting edge effects and a new attitude on the big screen with sound that rumbled. Now you get that on tv commercials with your subwoofer and HD tv. And you can pause it.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Trekbacks! Yes, yackbacker!

    by freerangecelt

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    In Thy Image on youtube

    by Himbo

    ST:TMP was recut to reflect the original Alan Dean Foster story. It is available in pieces on Youtube, and was enjoyable. I always liked ST:TMP. I actually would not mind THAT being the inspiration for the next Abram's TREK. Started watching Abrams Trek again last night. It certainly wasn't casting weakness that diminished my enjoyment.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Boldly going where NOMAD has gone before...

    by Billyeveryteen

    Yeah, I've seen this story too many times. Still sucks.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST

    JJ's Star Trek is like a pep rally

    by ufoclub1977

    it can be powerful, sexy, flashy, and fun. You can get caught up in it at the time ... but to me, it's not really meaningful or substantial in the long run. It needed a better plot, because it has everything else! I guess it made it's money. It just won't have the fandom legacy. Star Trek 2 still has the best plot. And many of Next Generation's last two seasons had great plots.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Does this mean I already have the Special Edition on Blu?

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    I'm confused. If it's not on Blu, then what HD source is he using?

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Exactly. JJ's Trek is designed to be watched once and forgotten. It completely falls apart on repeat viewing. Whereas TMP is a thing of beauty, one of the great cinema experiences of my life. I was 6 years old and it opened my mind to the universe, it was completely awesome. AND the icing on the cake is the thought-provoking, literate script. Something Kurtzman and Orci could only dream of writing.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST

    That theme still gives me chills. TNG on Blu fuck ay

    by performingmonkey

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST

    The Hunt For Red October was rated PG, and it kicked ASS

    by Nasty In The Pasty

  • Or is Merrick completely confusing "Special Edition" with "The Director's Edition?" Which edition do I have on Blu-ray? How can I tell?

  • they need a mysterious interplanetary threat that is not embodied by a nasty humanoid.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST

    also, ST: TMP is really not a kids movie

    by smudgewhat

    i think you do need to be older to appreciate it. or at least a bit more mature. i find the first hour to be a bit slower than i'd like but once spock begins inspecting v'ger it really starts to rock.

  • I alway thought of star wars as the superior series but i have to admit the people who deal with the trek legacy seen to have so much more respect for it than lucas does for star makes me sad and jealous

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST

    star trek movie was so stupid

    by ajit maholtra

    captain kirk tries to have sex with some bald lady, but then she has sex with the dad from seventh heaven instead. so stupid.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Awesome Merrick! Never thought I'd see a talkback geeking out over old

    by Brian Hopper

    ST:TMP ads! Like Merrick, I remember how jazzed I was when I was a kid and these ads started appearing on TV. The combo of the Welles (!!) narration, Goldsmith's music and the visuals had a huge impact... there was a sense of grandeur about the ads (and ultimately the film itself) that was different than the Star Wars vibe. The word "Kubrickian" is exactly right in comparing these to the scope and visual power of 2001: A Space Odyssey. I was always particularly fond of the "It will startle your senses..." ad, too. There was a sense of excitement because you could tell Paramount had taken everyone's beloved ST and given it the visual dynamics it deserved.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    this movie was also copying the stanley kubrick space movie

    by ajit maholtra

    But instead of star baby there is star bald lady. so stupid.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Star Trek 2009 trailers done with TOS


    works even better:

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST

    If I joing the trekback can my new name be geordisholodeckrapefantasy

    by Tikidonkeypunch

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Wise and company's Director's Cut of ST:TMP and

    by Brian Hopper

    Ridley Scott's 2007 Final Cut of Blade Runner are IMHO the two best examples of how to restore an fx-heavy film. In each case, the changes are careful and show a sense of discernment and restraint. ST:TMP has been (fairly) criticized for its slow pace and dramatic inertia (lots of people sitting around talking and reacting to things they see). When this ST fan saw it as a kid with his friends, we were pretty disappointed. I think Star Wars had set expectations that a film like this would be more action-heavy. (And TOS had set those expectations, too... many of the best TOS episodes are fast-moving, action-filled and even violent, but with Star Trek's brand of brains and wonder mixed in.) Yet TMP has grown in stature... it's a true SF film, unrepentantly about big things like The Nature of the Universe. Only as a few films can (like 2001), it actually conveys a sense of awe and wonder. And Wise's Director's Cut is a textbook in how to do a restoration the right way.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST


    by copernicus

    My favorite Trek after Wrath of Khan. Great science fiction, by a great science fiction director, with a great cast. It is so different than any TOS episode, or even any film that came after. The characters are treated seriously, not as caricatures of themselves. The costumes and some of the props are a total one-off. And there are new characters with serious screen time. It just seems so grounded and realistic, which is totally necessary to pull off the fantastic threat. To answer one of the questions here: you don't need the director's edition on Blu-ray to reassemble the TV spots, as they were created from the original footage in the first place.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Wise's DC on Blu-ray? Please?

    by Playkins

    I felt a little ripped of when I go the Blu-ray set of the original films and the DC wasn't the version of "The Motion Picture". Wish they would release THAT.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST


    by percane

    i can see where that analogy arises, there are a lot of segments of STTMP that are just shots of scenery with a musical backdrop. for example, you could compare the flyby of the enterprise, which is like 5 minutes with no dialogue, to the scene in 2001 where the waitress is walking around the shuttle serving food. there are definitely stylistic parallels to 2001

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    get on with it!

    by awardgiver

    I really want to see the directors cut after buying the blu ray box set recently. Haven't watched them yet, but I am nervous about watching the original cut of the first movie knowing what I know now...

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Just Watched the Director's Cut a Few Days Ago

    by Aquatarkusman

    I saw it in the theater when I was six or seven (the bald lady and her sudden disappearance freaked me out), and I was ready for some nice personal revisionism as I considered it a weak pastiche of 2001-like moments after seeing it on cable a few times in the 80s/90s. It certainly does have some strong points, and I appreciate what Wise and Trumbull tried to accomplish, but it looks far more dated than 2001 and it really is 45 minutes of plot extended into 2+ hours.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST

    damn it paramount.....

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    let's see a remastered trek movies set!!!!!!

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST


    by Geomancer21

    i honestly didn't know the blu didn't have the DC on it. guess i'm waiting longer to get the set.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST


    by tao_pilot

    You had me up until you praised the last two seasons of TNG. Most people complain about the first two seasons, and I see where they're coming from, but I'll take the hokey and silly first two seasons over the boring and bland last two seasons any day.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Love this flick!

    by ZodNotGod

    I loved how they strippd the franchise of the campiness from the original series. Giving it legs really. Goldsmith's score rivals SW:ANH! Yes it's all very Kubrickian, very serious and grand. Instills a sense of awe and wonder. Reading up and looking at all the promotional merchinse and advertisements, they sure put a lot of effort in pushing Ilia off on everyone. How about Ilia's theme! Love that piece.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST


    by tao_pilot

    The bald lady had sex with the dad from Seventh Heaven instead of Kirk, but then Kirk just went and hooked up with the mom from Seventh Heaven, so it's okay.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Merrick, I checked with your choir teacher...

    by firewhale

    ...and she remembers that day because it was the best the choir ever sounded. It sort of broke her heart to know that one the shining moments of her career happened not because of her skilled coaching, but rather from you refraining from singing. Just kidding, man, she didn't remember you at all. She's still hot though. +1 on the Blu Ray Director's Edition.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    The television series that almost happened...

    by ZodNotGod

    With Kirk and everyone returning would have looked something like this...lets hope some of the plots would have been more accessable, breezy.

  • Merrick, please revise the article to clarify. Thank you. -Your ever loyal archer most evil.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    With all that "which edition" stuff cleared up, too bad Wise

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    's version is not in High Def.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST

    The V'Ger stuff looks amazing in HD

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    I love love love TMP but I am still bummed that the theatrical cut never made it to DVD. The trims made to the Director's Cut were OK, as was the new establishing shot of Vulcan but I thought the new V'Ger shots looked amateur when placed next to the '79 shots. I think both versions (and the long TV version, incomplete shots and all) should be out on DVD and Blu Ray.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Add me to the Director's Cut on BLU pile

    by Chief Joseph

    HATE the theatrical cuts of 1,2,& 6 and will not buy those Blu-rays.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    The Enterprise

    by my job sucks

    The reason that I loved this film a child was because the Enterprise actually looked and felt like it was a fully functioning star ship that could boldly go where no man had gone before, (I know this has been mentioned before on the talk backs, but I don’t mind stirring the coals once more). To me, this film was the only one in the series that gave the impression of the ships power and size, compared to the little chunky Enterprise and it’s ‘shot in a brewery’ interior of the re-boot (I did enjoy that film also , not a hater) ST:TMP Enterprise wins hands down.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    My grammer sucks

    by my job sucks

    Sorry, should have read ' as a child' doesnt this thing have any editing or spell checker on it?

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST

    zodnotgod - TV series that almost happened

    by Himbo

    It is interesting that so many aspects of Star Trek Phase II series were recycled into Next Genration. Decker became Riker. Illia the Deltan empath became Deanna Troi the Betazed empath. If you look at the Phase two story abstracts, several were recycled for one-off TNG eps, most directly was "The child". So you can look at TNG seasons 1 and 2, as the phase II that never happened. And then STNG hit stride in Season 3, when it was free to find its own voice.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 2:38 p.m. CST

    The only part that looks HD....

    by closeencounter

    In those trailers are the end credits.

  • fact.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST


    by ajit maholtra

    You just blown my mind!

  • The next year he took me to see Empire Strikes Back and I fell asleep. My point? As much as I love Star Wars, I guess I will always be a Trekkie at heart. I was more in awe of the bald chick than I ever was of Tan Tans and At Ats.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    @zodnotgod Agree, re Ilia's Theme...

    by Brian Hopper

    On the short list of best things Jerry Goldsmith has done. Actually, the whole ST:TMP score -- from the stirring main theme to the Klingon music to the weird baroque strains of the V'ger theme -- is one of his best.

  • Enjoy it...there will never be big budget sci-fi like this again.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST

    if TMP = Kubrickian...then which Trek movie is the most Hyamian?



  • surpasses all other iterations. The ship looks huge, like a gigantic impressive naval vessel. It looks majestic, which is exactly how the Enterprise should look. After seeing the first images of the Enterprise before TMP came out, I remember thinking... Well, at least they got that much right.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Star Trek FC = Scottian? or Cameronian?


  • Feb. 21, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST

    ST TNG Conspiracy = Cronenbergian?


  • Feb. 21, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Both ST: TMP & ST2: TWK director's cuts need blu-ray releases.

    by Voice O. Reason

    I don't think the theatrical version of "Wrath of Khan" is lacking at all, but the director's cut DVD to me is the definitive version.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST

    There was also another version of ST: TMP...

    by Voice O. Reason

    The one released on VHS with the footage added for broadcast on ABC. It is considered by many to be a definitive version of the movie, and scenes from it were included in the bonus features for the DVD, but I don't really notice them when they're gone.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Not enough McCoy in the disco suit!

    by textual

    Best part of that movie, hands down.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST

    ST NEM = Meyerian


  • Feb. 21, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST

    TNG Films always had the stink of TV about them...

    by conspiracy

    In my opinion every one of them seems like nothing more than a TV show with a bigger budget...maybe it is the piss poor acting of 90% of the cast, maybe it is bad direction, who knows...but there isn't one...even the one with Drunk Troi that I'd watch over Trek TMP.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 3:54 p.m. CST

    aquatarkusman I wouldn't compare anything to "2001"...

    by conspiracy

    Cinema isn't is product. But if any film can claim to truly be an intentional work of art...2001 would be that film.

  • at the time in 79 wasnt TMP was considered a MAJOR disappointment? (not in terms of BO - but in terms of a great action packed colourful Trek movie) today its easier to appriciate it as its a refreshing different take on Trek - as many have said - Kubrickian...Trek does 2001

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    The TNG movies were garbage.

    by Mugato5150

    I'm including Generations in that. Full of massive plot holes and inconsistencies. Just poorly written shit that a college intern could have fixed in an afternoon. Then again, The Motion Picture was fucking boring. And no, that doesn't mean that I need my Star Trek movies to be galactic shoot-em-ups like the newest flick. There were some beautiful visuals in TMP but you could literally run the thing in fast forward and not miss much. Which would be fine if the film wasn't just a remake of the episode "The Changeling". /Wrath of Khan ftw //no Orci, that doesn't mean you have to try to remake it yet another time

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Robert Wise

    by DavidBanner

    Brilliant director. He could do any genre. One of my favorites.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Is there any way to get ST:TMP on Blu-Ray without buying the box set?

    by ExcaliburFfolkes

    It feels like Paramount is holding everyone up making us buy all the inferior movies just to get the best one.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    @conspiracy Yup re the TNG films. A lot of people

    by Brian Hopper

    point to different things that "killed" Star Trek (and I think point unfairly at Enterprise, which I actually liked), but the TNG movies are what did it. And I say that as a (season 3 onward) TNG fan. It's difficult to imagine what they were thinking with (for example) having Picard and Worf get Data to sing A British Tar at the beginning of Insurrection. It's like, WTF? Who pays ten bucks on a Friday night to see that? No scope or larger vision (although in fairness, First Contact at lest partly delivers the goods, and it's plainly the best of the four TNG movies). At least in the original cast movies, they knew to Think Big. Result: Movies like TMP still have some impact. In the mess called Star Trek Generations, it's interesting to watch the prologue sequence with Kirk, Scotty and Chekhov. The movie just comes alive with Kirk involved. Then they cut to the TNG stuff and the sense of the movie deflating is just so apparent.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    gotta agree with you m6y

    by DavidBanner

    When Harve Bennett came in to do ST 2. The thing he felt was missing from TMP was the relationships with the 3: Kirk,Spock, & McCoy. That was the triumphant of TOS. Generations of course was supposed to have those 3, but Nimoy and Kelley turned it down, so the producers got Scotty & Chekov. I'm not even sure they changed the script that much for the opening part of the movie. And without Kirk, that is a mediocre movie. And I agree with Deforest Kelley, that there was no reason to kill Captain Kirk. That killed Star Trek. And I thought Enterprise was the best of the spin-offs. It had more of the feel of the original series movies than any of the other shows.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Yeah, m6y

    by Mugato5150

    It's pretty hard to fuck up Kirk meeting Picard at the height of TNG's popularity but they managed it. The TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise" slightly re-written would have done it but they had to make a story that made absolutely no sense, turned everyone into a moron and crashed the Enterprise and not in a cool way like in Trek 3. Why does everyone hate that movie so much anyway?

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Why can't TMP be released in 3D rather than TPM?


  • Feb. 21, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    I'd sooner see the the Extended Edition on Blu-Ray than the Director's Cut.

    by ExcaliburFfolkes

    The Director's Cut is a travesty that serves as little more than a demo reel for CGI run amok.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Because, garymakin

    by Mugato5150

    There is no audience for slow, meandering science-fiction. That's why the last Trek movie did everything it could to emulate Star Wars.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 4:28 p.m. CST

    I love ST 3 - very underrated

    by DavidBanner

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST

    agreed, davidbanner

    by Mugato5150

    Yeah, maybe Spock's method of coming back was kind of lame and why couldn't the science ship just take Spock back to Vulcan? But Doc Brown as the first TOS Klingon (besides the first scene in TMP), the introduction of the Bird of Prey which they would use continuously in every successive show and movie, the awesome stealing and subsequent destruction of the Enterprise, Sulu as a faaaabulus James Bond, killing off Kirk's pussy son, what's not to like?

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Still get pulled in by those ads


    Thanks Merrick, for bringing this to our attention.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Christopher Lloyd - Awesome Klingon

    by DavidBanner

    "Say The Wrong Thing!" And don't forget John Larroquette. "I don't deserve to live." Kirk, "Fine, I'll kill you later."

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST

    still remember..

    by DavidBanner

    picking up my ST 3 glass at Taco Bell.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Trek 3 laid out the blueprint for the modern Klingon

    by Mugato5150

    And Doc Brown's big breasted girlfriend was my first spanking material. But that's beside the point.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST

    The Director's Cut on Blu-ray Please.

    by The Outlander

    Considering the amount of time and effort they are putting into the TV shows to release them on Blu-ray one would hope that they are planning recreating the directors cut for Blu-ray at some point.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 4:53 p.m. CST

    This movie was rated G, seriously?

    by HarveyManfrenjenson

    Hard to believe in view of the transporter-room scene, which ranks among the most gruesome and disturbing scenes in all of Trek. Yet another example of how the MPAA are a bunch of useless cunts. You can't even trust them with the simple job of figuring out what movies are OK to show a toddler.

  • ST3 has always been one of the most underrated things in the Trek universe.

  • Only with the movies TMP and Star Trek 2009 this ship looked so garnd and felt like a real Big Ship in Space. The SFX with all other movies didn't produce such grandeur with The Big E. Yes, TWOK was the best action packed movie of all the Star Trek movies and will ever be. But it also took away the grandezza of the meaning: Out There In Space: The Final Frontier! I love STTMP for what it was (even with it's flaws and its pacing): Trying to be a Science Fiction movie - and hell, it produced! I still love Daren's remastered version of The Doomsday Machine - better than CBS's effort - and I like that one, also. By the way: STTMP actually consists of TWO Star Trek episodes: The Changeling (TOS) and One Of Our Planets Is Missing (TAS). If you watch the Enterprise entering that big cloud in the animated episodes you know, what I mean! As I see it, it has more of the TAS than the TOS episode... Check it out!

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST

    That Last Spot Gives Away The ENTIRE Plot

    by Sluggolicious

    It's just odd that the narration informs the audience of what the crew of the Enterprise (and, consequently, the audience) doesn't learn until 3/4 of the way into the film (V'Ger's intentions). It'd be like a TV Spot for Empire Strikes Back with a voice-over that said 'A father desperately searching for his son in an effort to join forces and overthrow an Emperor!'

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST

    A couple of my favorite lines from any Trek movie

    by Mugato5150

    Kirk, if you do this you'll never sit in the captain's chair again.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Warp speed.

    by Mugato5150

    And the Klingons take his ship and Kirk blows it the fuck up. Kirk doesn't give a fuck. /Jesus guys, update your site. I mean it throws up on quotes? Really?

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 5:18 p.m. CST

    I miss "high minded" sci-fi.

    by Yamato

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Yup, Kirk rules in ST3.

    by Brian Hopper

    Soulful, resourceful, commanding, selfless. It's my favorite depiction of the Kirk character in any iteration of Star Trek.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST

    The DC's visual edits are sublime but I hated the audio changes

    by Badger23

    The red alert klaxons are very generic and boring in the Director's Cut. They seem out of place.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Well how much =high minded sci-fi=

    by Mugato5150

    can we handle? Hasn't it all been pretty much covered? I mean racism, sexism, the cold war, human evolution, all that shit about what it means to be human and the time travel stuff. It's just sort of been done. Not that they need to go into the whole blow shit the fuck up route but like more personal stories like was in The Wrath of Khan had might might be the way to go. Except that no one gives a shit about the Trek 2.0 people because they're just doing impressions of the original characters. Maybe a more Wrath of Khan story with the TNG crew, but more on the personal side rather than the guy out for revenge side that everyone seems to focus on.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Magnificent Film, Ilia's theme is so grand, so beautiful.

    by jim

    Wish there was the Directors cut on Blu-ray, but I'm glad we got the original version. That's how films (particularly good films) should be released, warts and all. Don't want to see walkie-talkies in place of guns Don't want the original 'happy ending' removed Don't want Greedo shooting ever. Don't want to go inside the mothership. And as much as I love it, I don't need to see a frickin huge tidal wave to appreciate the sacrifice and emotion at the end of a film. ET Bladerunner Star Wars Close Encounters The Abyss Just a few films that have been extended, or 'improved' or whatever.

  • as did the Sam Spade voice-over. And the Abyss without the tidal wave doesn't make sense. Don't really care about ET. Don't care about Star Wars except cleaning up the FX.

  • The colors of their arm bands change.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Star Trek 5 - Special Edition

    by lochkray

    I've always hoped that Paramount would pony up the cash to have Shatner (and a few experienced editors and sp/fx people) try to salvage a good movie out of The Final Frontier. I SWEAR there's one in there to be found in that movie. I can see it peaking around the edges from time to time. Not Wrath of Kahn greatness, but somewhere in the vicinity of Search for Spock.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Right on @lochkray. In spite of its obvious flaws, ST5 has

    by Brian Hopper

    much to recommend it. A makeover with some new editing and fx would make a world of difference, I agree. Too bad that film has a constituency of practically no one. There just would be no money in it for Paramount, I guess.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST

    One thing I'll always love ST:DS9 for...

    by Bill Clay

    The episode "Blood Oath", which reunited the legendary TOS Klingons Kor, Kang, and Koloth. What a treat seeing John Colicos, Michael Ansara, and William Campbell on Trek again!

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST

    The opening shot of Star Trek 5 is still the best of them all.

    by The_Maltese_Vulcan

    The way that poor wretch looks up in wonder at the laughing vulcan is fantastic

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 7:15 p.m. CST


    by dukeroberts

    I never really cared that much for TMP until the last time I watched the DC of it. It was so much better than I remembered it being. And there was such grandeur and sense of awe in it as well. I really appreciate it now. And about being rated "G"- the original True Grit was rated "G" when it came out in 1969, even with "Fill your hands, you son of a bitch!" and the chopping off of fingers. Their rating system has changed over the years. I remember seeing Sheena-Queen of the Jungle, which was rated PG but showed Tanya Roberts full frontal! It was awesome! Yep. They used to show tits in PG and PG-13 movies. Not anymore...sigh...

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 7:27 p.m. CST

    How about a budget director's cut without the new FX?

    by Nem_Wan

    Even if Paramount doesn't want to pony up the dough for HD CGI, the original footage could still be recut as Wise approved in 2001 and the Director's Edition's superior sound mix could be used as-is. The editing changes are more important than the CGI. For example, a couple shots of Ilia and Decker throwing smiles at each other across the bridge are inserted into the solar system departure scene to add a moment warmth and character without lengthening the film a bit.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Star Trek came before Star Wars!

    by Boborci

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 7:35 p.m. CST

    That's only because Star Wars was so hot looking Star Trek couldn't help it.

    by The_Maltese_Vulcan

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 7:35 p.m. CST


    by KilliK

    love this guy.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Never told me where you are from, killik

    by Boborci

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 7:45 p.m. CST

    I am from that small country which is about to bankrupt.

    by KilliK

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Sure, Star Trek came before Star Wars

    by Mugato5150

    And I love the sci-fi origins and social commentary of Star Trek but it always dies and is reborn when it does everything it can to emulate Star Wars. I mean ice monsters, Sulu doing Jedi shit with a retractable sword, really? And the Khan story line, once again. I mean it's cool, if these movies were quiet introspective character studies, I'd be out of business.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 7:46 p.m. CST

    =William Campbell =

    by KilliK

    he also played Trelane right?

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Killik - every country is about to g bankruot, including US!

    by Boborci

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Mugato uhuh

    by Boborci

    Glad planet destroyer was done in Star Wars first -- oh wait, no it wasnt. Doomsday Device. At least they did Warp speed first. Oh wait, no they didnt. Well, at least when Obi felt the death of everyone on alderon, it was the - oh wait, Spock felt the death of hundreds of Vulcans in TOG. Hmm. I wanna help you, so let me think a little harder n get back to you.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Star Trek came before Star Wars. Abrams' Shit Trek didn't.

    by Brian Hopper

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 8:10 p.m. CST

    @boborci Lol,yeah good point.well, i am from Greece.

    by KilliK

  • As he said, under his plan "Energy prices would necessarily sky rocket."

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Why the TNG movies sucked

    by tao_pilot

    I think the TNG movies suffered from Paramount being in too much of a rush to start cranking out movies after the series ended. TMP came out 10 years after the original series ended, and fans were dying for some new Trek. TNG never even had a chance to breathe before the movies started coming out.

  • Faster than light speed is a plot device developed long before Star Trek. My only point was that the success of the post Whath of Khan Star Trek movies is directly proportional to their emulation of Star Wars, right or wrong. I recommend more ice monsters, two more sword fights and some sort of race in the next film. And someone needs to be pissed off and out for revenge. That's not really a Star Wars thing but there can't be a Trek movie without it.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST

    C'mon, TNG had FOUR movies to learn to breath.

    by The_Maltese_Vulcan

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Nah, by tao_pilot, that's not why the TNG movies sucked.

    by Mugato5150

    The enormous plot holes and general bad writing in the TNG movies could have been solved in a weekend. Deep Space Nine cranked out good episodes and stories (okay, the few holosuite episodes aside) and FX that still hold up today and they did that every week. I realize tv series and feature film budgets are different but still. T here can't be that much time and money difference between writing a script that sucks and a script that doesn't suck too much.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 8:33 p.m. CST

    I still like First Contact

    by lochkray

    Really, the only one I disliked was Nemesis. Couldn't stand it. It was awful. Insurrection and Generations just felt like mediocre episodes of the series. First Contact felt like a really really good episode of the series. But, yeah, none of them ever caught the grandure of the big screen like some of the Shatnerverse Trek's movies.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 8:40 p.m. CST

    First Contact wasn't bad

    by Mugato5150

    Some people were pissed that there was a Borg queen but you need a personified villain in a big movie. And there's the whole -why don't they just use the time travel thing all the time- thing but that's just something in all these stories that you just have to skip over. Jerry Goldsmith wrote a pretty good score and there were some pretty nice shots like the walking on the hull and the escape pod scenes. And Alice Krige was hot. What? She was.

  • Have you read that conversation between Stewart and i think Berman? Patrick Stewart had understood what made FC so great and successful.In his own words the best formula for the ST movies was to keep making them more fun,energetic,sexy,humorous,edgy,dark and pop while retaining the intelligence,characterization and the themes of the ST universe. Alas Paramount didnt hear him,instead they reduced the budget and with Insurrection they returned back to the old,tiresome,family oriented and now geriatric formula of the TNG series: an old guy discovers love and feels what it means to be young again.oh joy. Now is this a movie concept which appeals to the average movie audience and especially the young movie audience? the answer is no. And years later,JJ and his associates finally get it and give to the movie audience what they wanted: a fresh,sexy,highly energetic popcorn movie with young actors,fascinating action,cool vfx,humor, love flirts and affairs,pop references,etc, and a sense of epic scale. Ofc the movie completely lacked what made ST so great but that is another subject to discuss. The point is that it is not a coincidence that ST4 and NuTrek are the most successful movies of the whole franchise while ST1 and ST5 are two of the least popular ones.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST

    =The enormous plot holes =

    by KilliK

    well WOF had enormous plot holes too.that didnt stop it from being a great movie.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 8:54 p.m. CST

    killik , in what universe is FC better than Wrath of Khan?

    by Mugato5150

    Wrath of Khan was about a man facing mortality, both his own and that of his best friend. It had great space battles but they were ultimately irrelevant. It was a deep character study and it also had what every movie of this type needs, a great villain. I liked First Contact, I really did but it was basically Patrick Stewart trying to be a badass and completely out of character.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 9:01 p.m. CST

    What were the plot holes in Wrath of Khan?

    by Mugato5150

    I guess why Kirk's son was such a pussy but I'm not a geneticist. And I guess Khan's people were too young but but they were genetically altered and again, I'm not a geneticist. I don't know why they found it necessary to shoot out the Reliant's warp nacelle since they already lost warp drive but that's just splitting hairs.

  • cheers.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 9:40 p.m. CST

    In the words of the immortal Harry Calahan:

    by Playkins

    Opinions are like assholes. Everyone's got one. Any Star Trek talkback proves it.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 9:40 p.m. CST

    The plot holes in Wrath of K?

    by Boborci

    That a staship could land on a friggin planet and not realize it is the wrong planet cuz the other planet it used to orbit around is GONE!

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Dont they have fucking maps in wok?

    by Boborci

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 9:48 p.m. CST

    No, a plot hole is needing to drill into a planet to use red matter

    by YackBacker

    when simply ejecting a drop of red matter would set off a singularity when it hit the planet's surface (via one of Nero's little torpedo weapons). Or better yet, trying to drill into a planet's ocean to drop the torpedo into a hole that apparently just keeps filling in with water. Oops.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 9:55 p.m. CST

    @conspiracy- you got that right brother

    by YackBacker

    We will never see a STAR TREK film without a villain again. TMP was as confident and dedicated a sci-fi film as TREK will ever attempt. There was real discovery, humanism, wide-eyed wonderment in TMP. I wouldn't want filmmakers to try that formula again, but it would be nice to see TREK move away from "Kirk & Crew versus [Fill-in-the-blank]" a la Godzilla movies and try doing something imaginative in the style of Rodenberry & Coon's peak run. Going boldly and all that jazz.

  • and I've yet to meet a Russian who didn't hit the sauce around 10am..on the job or not.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 9:57 p.m. CST

    it's ok bob, the only matter that matters is green

    by YackBacker

    and money Bob Orci has, thanks to his work with some pretty large properties. Mazel Tov. But seriously, red matter is lame.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 9:57 p.m. CST

    TNG movies were buttugly

    by jackofhearts29

    Seriously, TNG films all looked just like episodes of the TV show, but slightly wider. The definition of "farting them out." First Contact was by far the best of the TNG movies and STILL not up to the average of the TOS movies. Just in look and feel... it was like amateur night at the improv. Plus bad 90s CGI, because it was the newest thing, even though it looked like crap. At least ALL the TOS films, even ST5, felt like real movies. So did JJ's Trek.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Conspiracy lol. Agreed. Just getting into the spirit!

    by Boborci

    How about idiot Kirk not raising his shields?

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Kirk not raising shields=Age and Ego...Cowboy Hubris...

    by conspiracy

    His age contributing to a "Don't tell me how to run my ship you large breasted, delicious looking, pointy eared wench" hubris and overconfidence...

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:02 p.m. CST

    The one and only reason for the TNG movie suckitude...

    by DougMcKenzie

    Berman/Braga Neither one was serious about making real changes to the series, or taking risks with the characters. They were also completely clueless how to use the characters outside of Picard and Data on the big screen. Most are background fodder and interchangeable.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:02 p.m. CST

    And Don't talk too loudly about Countries going BK...

    by conspiracy

    I'm making out pretty good betting against the printing presses.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Just about everything boborci just said is wrong.

    by DougMcKenzie

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:03 p.m. CST

    1) Ship never landed on the planet

    by DougMcKenzie

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:04 p.m. CST

    2) Planets don't orbit other planets. Moons orbit Planets

    by DougMcKenzie

    Planets orbit Stars.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST

    3) There was an orbital shift after the explosion.

    by DougMcKenzie

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:06 p.m. CST

    A courageous TREK would revisit the idea of Sybok

    by YackBacker

    Particularly in this post-Stardate 2258.42 world. Sybok is Malcolm X to Spock's MLK Jr. Take it, Bob. Just cast Jeff Goldblum in it as a Vulcan talk show host.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST

    yackbacker, you're right of course...

    by DoctorZoidberg

    But c'mon man! I just wants to enjoy me a movie! A movie can be filled with plot holes...cough*Dark Knight*cough.....but still highly enjoyable. If you insist on having shit sewn up tight, gotta read a book. I suggest anything by Stephen Baxter.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Doctor Zoidberg! You're looking young enough to be thrown back!

    by YackBacker

    I am actually not against plot holes, I was just watching Bob Orci ripping on THE WRATH OF KHAN and decided he needed a red matter reminder of his place in the TREK pecking order. Nobody puts Nick Meyer in the corner.

  • a guy stupid enough to insult the beloved Wrath of Khan to a bunch of Trek fans by writing the following... 'The plot holes in Wrath of K? That a staship could land on a friggin planet and not realize it is the wrong planet cuz the other planet it used to orbit around is GONE!' ...could be the same person who actually wrote a Star Trek movie. Is there?

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Christopher Lloyd as Kruge

    by Keith

    Then I hope pain is something you enjoy.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Stupid AICN

    by Keith

    Chopped out the other quotes I like to deploy in a Kruge voice in everyday conversation. A failure! Very good! Charming!

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST

    You talkbackers can dish it out but you cant take it!

    by Boborci

    Why does Kirk get mad enough out yell K's name when he KNOWS he is going to get beamed outta there in five minutes?

  • Just look at the Shit Storm over at Disney with John Carter...$250M+ Gamble that isn't looking so good right now. Making something like TMP would cost every bit of $150M-200M+ given Hollywoods ridicules overpriced economics...would YOU wanna be the guy who green lights a 9 figure film with very little Whiz Bang to draw in the mouth breathers? Nobody who values their Beach House, Mistress and Expense account would I can tell you that.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Holy shit Bob! Glass houses man, glass houses...

    by Billyeveryteen

    I am NOT gonna' bring up Ice-Planet-of-Astounding-Coincidences... You should be ashamed dude.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST

    the ONLY line I hated from JJ's New Trek

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    BUCKLE UP!!!

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST

    ...and then i rememberd that Kirk's brother owned a convertible. stupid me.

    by Arcadian Del Sol

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Star Trek TMP = POS

    by Spankalicious

    Sorry folks, but it's time to take off the rose colored glasses. Star Trek TMP is garbage. For years, I had seen only pieces of Star Trek so a couple months back, I decided to make an evening of watching the Director's Cut start to finish. What crap. What utter crap. I've read a number of folks say that Star Trek TMP was going for the epic 2001 vision. Yes, one can see that they tried for that. Going for a sterile view of space on a grandiose scale. Yes, the beautiful shots of the Enterprise, yes, yes. But, this is Star Trek. What's important are the relationships and that's where this movie utterly fails. There was no chemistry. The dialog was stilted and almost mechanical. I don't need things to go boom, but I do need the movie to have a pulse. It was dull and lifeless. I now understand why it's referred to as Star Trek: the Motionless Picture. I now understand why Nimoy had to be dragged kicking and screaming to do Wrath of Khan.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST

    @boborci Do you even know what a plot hole is?

    by Brian Hopper

    Or a plot? Or a hole? (I mean, besides the one in your head, or the unnecessary one Nero pointlessly drilled in Vulcan.)

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Ice planet isn't a plot hole. Spock Prime explained that rather eloquently.

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    You see, Kirk was MEANT to captain the Enterprise. The blueprint of the universe relied upon it. And Spock was MEANT to be at his side always. So if someone mucked up with the timeline, then the universe would compensate to ensure that it happened anyway. Were you getting popcorn and sno-caps during that exposition? Too bad cuz it sort-of explained everything.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:38 p.m. CST


    by VoiceOfSaruman

    I'm no Abrams' Star Trek hater, but you can't just explain away plot holes and terribly contrived plot devices by just having a character say "it was meant to happen." That's just a cover for lazy writing. Especially in a decades-old fictional universe that never relied on that sort of "fate" before. In fact, there was that old ST episode where a crazy McCoy goes back in time and is going to fuck everything up for the future. And nobody just sits around and lets him go saying to themselves, "it's ok the universe will compensate to make sure everything works out all right."

  • Are you sure you know what eloquently means?

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:49 p.m. CST

    I agree with Rkdn

    by smudgewhat

    Spock's explanation works for me and lends eloquence to notions of destiny and fate. Nimoy was the thread tying the whole movie.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:55 p.m. CST

    I think that whole line of thought is misguided...

    by conspiracy

    especially as Spock Jr. goes so far as to say whatever their futures might have been was forever changed when Nero and Spock came through the Wormhole... Not hating...just pointing it out...

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Anyone who uses the word 'eloquent' in connection with

    by Brian Hopper

    Abrams' Shit Trek deserves to be banished to the Ice-Planet-of-Astounding-Coincidences.

  • Why was it there? Was it a Pet? Is it a member of Starfleet? Some indigenous life form Scotty shacked up with in a drunken lonely stupor? Roberto...dude...buddy....what was that fucking thing? You killed off the Green Babe and Kept that for the sequels? Bad choice...liked the fate of the Green babe in the script better...though it made Kirk look like a Douche bag.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Boborci :re: plotholes in Star Trek 2

    by Jake Pantlin

    The whole things about the planet exploding... they never say if the entire planet exploded. If there was still a large chunk of it floating around, it could be possible that they didn't pick up on the fact that part of it blew up. As for Kirk screaming KHAAANNNN, well I thought that was obvious even as a kid that he did it as a bluff to buy them all time. He challenges Khan (almost begging) to come down there as a bluff, and Khan laughs because he thinks he is in control. Kirk knows Khan wants him to suffer, so he screams Khan's name. Sure, Kirk is pissed off, but it's still a bluff to buy them all time.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Star Trek 5: Special Edition (make it happen!)

    by Jake Pantlin

    Paramount needs to make this happen. The crappy old FX in that film could be easily replaced now. Oh, and cut that fucking scene of Scotty banging his head. That still pisses me off.

  • I'll be damned. The Power of AICN Talkback. Not even Follywood screenwriters are safe from the lure of its subversion...

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Trek 5 is the only Original Cast film I really have an issue with...

    by conspiracy

    Shatner is a much better Captain than he is a writer or director.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:24 p.m. CST

    DC on Blu and the best TNG movie

    by jazzdownunder

    Mr Data, bring the quantum flux capacitor online, set maneouvering thrusters to 88mph and ... ENGAGE!

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST


    by tao_pilot

    I realize there was still quality writing on DS9 at the same time of the poor TNG movies, because it was still new and fresh. TNG had just come off of a 7 year run, and the writers didn't know what to do with those characters. I always felt the show should have ended one or two seasons earlier, and taken a few more years off before starting the movies. 6 months between series and movie wasn't enough time.

  • Feb. 21, 2012, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Conspiracy- Regarding Trek 5

    by batman74

    The relationships between the big three were pitch perfect. The camping scenes are glorious. The problem with Star Trek 5 comes from the device which propels the plot. It is one of the things that makes ST: TMP problematic also. In short, both films play like "Star Trek goes in search of God." This never works. it can't work. it is an inherently doomed project because there is no way to do it in a satisfying and meaningful way because people don't agree about conceptions of the creator/God/ the other etc. Even the great bird of the galaxy, Roddenberry himself couldn't understand this as he tried it several different times. Star Trek works best when it focuses on the relationships of the characters. Period.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 12:05 a.m. CST

    No rdkn it doesn't explain anything

    by Talandir

    except how completely lost up their own asses the writers were. So it was all MEANT to be? By who? Who decides that getting a completely different, immature and inexperienced Kirk on the Enterprise bridge is more important than 6+ Billion people killed on Vulcan? Incompetent writers, that's who. And who sends the acting XO, the Chief Engineer and the Helmsman on a probable suicidal assault and demolition mission instead of, y'know, security officers who are the ones who are supposed to do combat? The same incompetent writers. And who has one of those "combatants" go after a guy who is armed with a ray-gun with his f'ing sword. Who has an experienced officer maroon a jumped-up cadet on a death-trap of a planet instead of locking him up in the brig, or quarters, or even a FUCKING BROOM CLOSET? Only the lamest of all lame=ass writers; the writers of JJDrek.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 12:05 a.m. CST

    See how this works?

    by Boborci

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 12:06 a.m. CST

    My dad took me & my brother to see TMP as kids and we walked out.

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    But, now I love it as I do Blade Runner. Even tho they are slow movies, they work; especially if you are a fan of both genres and have an attention span. Even tho dubbed "motion-less," I watch it everytime it's on cable and I will def buy the blu-ray. But hey, we got Khan after this one, right? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck iiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttt!!!!!!! Oh and KKKKKKKKKKHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN! At least I didn't type "fact."

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Nothing is sacred

    by Boborci

  • I make special drinks of Strawberry Stoli's and Baileys for the group. We have 2 major meetups planned for a "catch-up-a-thon" and the finale. Can't wait!

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Toughguyrizzo- thanks for watching? Can i send u some hats?

    by Boborci

  • Seriously, my girlfriend is gonna get pissed but man, if you wanna send some hats, um, you can send them to my bar if you want. Dressing Room 75A Orchard St New York, NY 10012 Yeah man, we have a great group that loves Fringe.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Shit is on the way!

    by Boborci

  • A really great group of people who formed this after LOST finished. No shit, we had a meetup tonight about discussing multiverses. Went to a bar, had 60 people there having beers and talking Fringe and comics and all kinds of diversity about the subject. Thanks so much man.

  • And during each commercial break, these tv spots played. By the end of the day, I wanted to see TMP so bad I started balling my eyes out. A few weeks later I got my chance and loved every minute of it. I was only six years old. To this day, those tv spots still give me goosebumps and TMP remains truly one of the greatest Trek films ever.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Anyn other questions?

    by Boborci

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 1:30 a.m. CST

    After your done.

    by Boborci

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Ill be here all week!

    by Boborci

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Loved the Film -- True Sci-Fi!

    by bs9999

    How can anyone not love that one of the two Voyager probes returns home after traveling the depths of the universe and becoming conscious? So original!

  • BINGO.that bugged me too.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 8:26 a.m. CST

    I love TMP

    by Lou Stools

    It's still one of my favorites. And Khan successfully incorporated the more dramatic, cinematic elements of TMP while infusing some much needed warmth and human touches...afterwards, too much comedy.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST


    by LT Weezie

    I was thrilled to see this beautiful work! Back in 1978, I was very fortunate to watch them shoot for about 6 weeks and also appear in the film as an Enterprise crew member. They had started to work on the model FX and there were about 6 or 7 stages devoted to this shoot. Robert Wise was one of the nicest gentlemen I have ever met. He always said hello and had a big smile on his face, and you could tell he really wanted STTMP to be something special. The evening they were selecting extras on an open call for the big rec deck scene, I was helping out and Robert Wise was there. He had a hand in every part of this an aside, I remember Leonard Nimoy driving up to the front of the state door on his way home, and asking me how everything was going. I remember looking up at the clear sky and the stars that were twinkling between the massive row of stages at Paramount and said "There is no place in the universe I would rather be!"----to be sure!

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Boborci -

    by Jake Pantlin

    You are correct - when I first saw WOK as a kid, and Kirk yelled KHHHAAANNN... no, I did not realize it was a bluff... BUT!... 8 minutes later, when he gets on his communicator and calls Spock, I realized it had been a ruse to give Khan a false sense of security and superiority. Dude, are you not from North York? That's where I'm from (Roehampton Ave). I would have expected you of all people to have figured out that scene.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Kirk not raising the shields was a plot point

    by Mugato5150

    Kirk had turned into an admiral pencil pusher. He wasn't sharp enough to think to raise the shields. He even vocally beat himself up over it. But then he got his shit together and used his experience to beat Khan. And Kirk shouted KHAAAAAN! because Shatner and Montalban apparently were in a competition in how much scenery they could chew. And it was awesome.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 9:40 a.m. CST

    La Sith - The Effects were not shot in SD

    by hst666

    That's the TNG series. This was a motion picture, the effects were produced on film.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Christ...Don't you people sleep?

    by conspiracy

    Especially You Roberto...dude...I know you come here to blow off steam..but man, chill out have an empire to run.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Kirk Yelling Khan...I too always saw that as Kirk "Acting"...

    by conspiracy

    not at that moment, but just a few seconds later when his entire attitude changes and he follows his chick into the cave of Wonders. Then again...this being Kirk he coulda just been distracted by the quality trim he was about to dive into.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Bob, how was N.O. and the Mardi Gras festivities?

    by Joe Plumber

    Did you get to hang out with King Bacchus, Will Ferrell?

  • Then, to assemble the incoherent pastiche Shit Trek you mindlessly plunder old Star Trek memes. Now, to ungrammatically troll the internet you raid Andrew Dice Clay's collection of unfunny mother jokes? I dare you to better. Enlist in a writing class.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Don't feed his addiction darth...if you notice..

    by conspiracy

    Dude was here at 12:02...two minutes after the end of Fat Tuesday and the Start of Lent... Nothing screams talkback addiction more than making this your first stop so soon after a night of drinking, bead throwing and Tit viewing. We might need to have an intervention.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST

    The Biggest Problem With STII

    by Afzal

    I think that the biggest problem with the movie was the massive size of the Hard Drive/Ice Cream maker that housed the Genesis Device information. I mean my 500 GB external HD is the size of a pack of cigarettes..... Come on..... STII is a classic. The Enterprise rising behind the Reliant in the Mutara Nebula..... Awesome :)

  • That said, I doubt I would be posting here as I was being kicked off of Bourbon street. Somehow that is even more depressing. I need a drink. Meh.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 10:13 a.m. CST

    re: Boborci

    by Jake Pantlin

    Yes, that is correct. He was getting "into the part". C'mon dude - if this is the real Bob Orci, I would expect more common sense. Sure he was pissed at the guy, and that was real anger coming out of his mouth, but the last thing Kirk wanted was Khan beaming down with a bunch of armed super-men to fight him. Kirk has a young vulcan officer, his scientist son, his ex-girlfriend, an unconscious Chekov, and old Doc McCoy at his side. If Khan and his men had beamed down, they would have been finished. Kirk goes all Mel Gibson on Khan, and Khan laps it up. Kirk gave Khan exactly what he wanted to hear, and he knew it.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Bob and BringingSexyBack havin' a cat fight?

    by wtriker1701

    Miaooooowwwww Now I can't get the pictures out of my hat... Have to concentrate on V'GER!!!!!

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST

    I love this movie...

    by digginjim

    underrated hard sci fi - and an epic score by Goldsmith...

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Star Trek I: That was the one with B'ger in it?

    by Afzal

  • The cost of cutting those FX in would be made back in a heartbeat.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Data sucked in the TNG movies

    by Autodidact

    I hate emotional Data.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST

    When I was a kid

    by jellypop

    I really didn't get this movie at all. I rated the Black Hole over it any day. Now I'm a littler older in years, having actually viewed it again I really quite like it. It is a better film than expected and fully fits in with the Trek universe.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Actually STII doesn't need updated FX

    by Mugato5150

    I think the FX hold up pretty damned well. Well maybe the eel things could use a little CG but overall it was kick ass and only cost $11mill as opposed to the $250mill or whatever the last movie cost. Of course I realize inflation and all but a Star Trek movie doesn't require as much shit you can vomit on the screen as possible.

  • But your logic makes no sense since he BEGS k to come down and get him.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST

    actually, autodidact

    by Mugato5150

    there was almost no emotional Data in the TNG films. He got the emotion chip in Generations as a comic relief thing, he turned it off in the next movie, they said that he "didn't take it with him" (like it's his car keys) in the next movie and they didn't even mention it in the last movie.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST


    by Boborci

    We were script doctors rewriting the spec script. Alled the Island, by Caspian Treadwell Owen. You think clones being harvested is a rip off, take it up with him. And your second point is that we ripped off star trek when we wrote star trek? You really are a joke. My grammer here is a sign of my respect for you. And finally, i lpve it when idiots like you quote my writing back to me without irony to insult me. Fucking genius!

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    The Island is clearly an original work

    by Mugato5150

    ...because... um, in The Clonus Horror, the land promised to the clones was called "America" and in The Island it was called "The Island". So it was totally different. Dude, you must give better head than Andy Dick.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Just watched them all, full screen and got chills.

    by gotilk

    I don't think I've re-watched this film since it came out on VHS. The film was one of the last things my dad did with me. Nice memory. My memory may not be serving me well, but I remember the screen being gigantic and the sound being huge. I recall after seeing Blade Runner and Outland in huge cinemas, with outstanding sound, things never quite being the same again. All 3 of those films I watched in those *dome* cinemas before they were broken up into smaller pieces and turned into multiplexes. I'm sure there are places to see films that way in major cities still, like LA, but not across the rest of the country. It's hard to do magic, spectacle, majesty and grandeur on the screen they have out there now. I think one of my locals has what they call an XD cinema, which I still have not tried, but imagine are smaller IMAX style cinemas. Hell, even some of the IMAX screens in my area are dinky. The miniMAX I watched Avatar in had inferior sound and it was noticeable. Sure, it was better than a standard cinema, but it came nowhere close to the quality of what was known as an IMAX cinema a few years ago. And the screen was much smaller. Only the seats were improved. I hope I don't end up having to drive 100 miles to see The Hobbit at the higher frame rate, but expect to. And if I don't, I do expect the local cinemas to somehow find a way to screw it up. I wish I could remember what film I was watching, but the film was starting and I heard the huge soundtrack booming from all the speakers in the room. For some reason after the title sequence, all the side speakers went dead and only the center speaker was working. Dialogue was strong, everything else was dulled. I asked a manager after about 15 minutes if they were going to fix it. He said something about the projectionist doing something wrong or something and that he'd look into it. I walk back into the theater and a few minutes later the volume increases. Nothing else. I just walked. In a lot of places you are not dealing with people who care, at all. At one of those split dome cinemas a few years ago I watched a film on a very bright, sunny day and the dome had huge light leaks that shone directly on the screen. I asked about it and was offered a refund. I asked casually if they were planning on fixing the leaks, and they said *probably not, we're pretty sure these are going to be torn down so I don't think they'll bother with it*. Sad. Sure enough, a few months later the domes were torn down and now it's a big box with small screens. We still have one Cinedome complex in town, and I expect to one day drive by and see them torn down. But I hope they preserve at least one.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Nuclear wessels.

    by Pat

    I always loved that bit.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    We need a Trek Fest Moviethon!

    by conspiracy

    Select Trek movies back to back. In a theater, someplace cool like The Vista in Los Angeles...donate proceeds to Charity...get a panel together. Not a Trek convention...a Trek FILM get together to keep the lunacy and scary stalker/klingon speakers in check. Wonder if Paramount would go for it... Curious...would any of you attend such an event? I think it'd be fucking hilarious...

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST

    boborci - logic?

    by Jake Pantlin

    It makes perfect sense. He begs Khan because he wants Khan to think he is a desparate man. He wants Khan to think that he has him trapped. Kirk knows full well that Spock is coming to get him soon (although the rest of the away team doesn't). Kirk is putting on his best poker face, and buying them time to save their lives. Go watch that scene again on youtube or something. Watch the look on Kirk's face before he tells him "Khan, you have Genesis, but you still don't have me..." You can practically see the gears turning inside Kirk's head. He is playing on Khan's superiority complex, by making himself sound desparate. Kirk was acting, and it worked. Both Khan and the away team believe that it will take Enterprise two days to have the ship repaired, based on the communications between Kirk and Spock. Khan decides to toy with Kirk because he thinks he has him trapped. Kirk screams out Khan's name because he want's him to believe that he believe Khan has beat him. Why does Kirk distort his face when he yells? The obvious awnser would be dramatic licesne on the part of the Director (a red herring for the audience to think their hero is in big trouble). In the context of the film, it could just be interpreted that Kirk was getting into the part, and venting out his anger (two men just died in front of him, and Chekov is badly injured). Also of note: Kirk didn't want the away team to know that Spock would be coming soon to pick them up either. Khan has just tortured and killed scientists on Regula 1, and if he had beamed down to the planet, he could have killed and tortured them for information too. Kirk wasn't about to put the Enterprise in danger again. He wasn't showing his cards to anyone.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 11:53 a.m. CST

    The imagine is not clean

    by 420 Boylston St

    The problem with the film is it's slow pace. It never feels the threat is imminent. This was a terrible idea for a movie. What the film needs is drastic editing!

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    I dunno, bob

    by Mugato5150

    Try to write it with something original of your own added so as not to get people sued? Who cares man, you have a good gig going. Just keep writing more CG shit and I'm happy.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Kirk yells, "Khan!" the way he does, because that's what Shatner does

    by Joe Plumber

    He overacts!

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    I am Batman

    by Afzal

    Yes, it is..... But the arthritis on a cold and wet day is a killer

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST

    The Doomsday Machine

    by MJPollard

    Interesting trivia: Dochterman was one of the first people to give a TOS episode the "remastered" treatment, all on his own, and this effects-heavy episode was the one he used to show off his skills. I remember him describing how difficult it was to rotoscope the scenes where Kirk walked in front of the viewscreen, in order to add moving asteroids and the drifting, deactivated Doomsday Machine. For someone who essentially "did this in his basement," it was a remarkable achievement, and the clips from this were pretty popular on YouTube. Others had also used this episode to show just how well a TOS episode could be updated with modern CGI effects. Fast forward to the TOS Remastered project, which was being aired in syndication. The evidence of the popularity of Dochterman's and others' work on this episode was evident in the preview for it, when the announcer said, "This is the Trek fans have been waiting for." I have no evidence to support this, but I fully believe that the popularity of the work of Dochterman and others was a major impetus for CBS/Paramount to produce TOS Remastered. (The only part I disagreed with was his decision to redo the Doomsday Machine as a sort of crystalline construct, rather than burnished metal as originally intended. This was apparently due to shoddy FX work in the original episode where stars sometimes showed through the model. I much preferred the look of the DM in the official TOS Remastered episode.)

  • When Nimoy lifted the top off, the whole thing jiggled. How could something holding such force be so wobley?

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST

    That said, I would like to see some Shat love in the next Trek

    by Joe Plumber

    Perhaps, Kirk can be left on the moon to watch the Earth be destroyed. Destroying the Earth; Now, that would be an Alternative Timeline!

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    I think it's cute that some people think you are something other than just a fellow talkbacker. And that they think their opinions will change the course of a movie/TV show in production . Otherwise, have fun.... just play nice. And thanks for all the fish.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Radiation Suits...

    by conspiracy

    my take on this was that the compartment was beyond the levels where a radiation suit would have protected him...which is why Mr. Scott had passed out while attempting to do the same thing. At this point, knowing there was no viable protection, spock decided to not waste precious moments suiting up...and just walked in to what was, suit or no suit, certain death.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Thank you for Fringe. Are you still working on Ender's Game?

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST

    If you like my logic now...wait till you read "Grassy Knoll"...

    by conspiracy

    a Conspiracy joint coming to a blog near you all soon.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    It was made of Wobblinium (C).

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    a Conspiracy joint?

    by Joe Plumber

    Is that like a Spike Lee Joint? Or will this shit actually get me high?

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Gotilk - start shooting monday!

    by Boborci

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST

    boborci - you Klingon bastard!

    by Jake Pantlin

    The ship was about to be destroyed by the Genesis Wave!!! Spock had very little time to save the ship and the lives of his friends. Less than 4 minutes. We see the ship go to warp speed just 5 seconds before the Reliant explodes. If Spock had wasted time getting out of his dress uniform and putting on a radiation suit before going in the chamber, he probably would not have saved the ship in time. ...The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one... Spock wasn't going to mess around getting out of his uniform to put on a radiation suit when time was of the essence. Kirk was the Admiral on the bridge, but Spock was still Captain of the Enterprise, and he wasn't going to waste time when the lives of his crew are at stake.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Darth....It's Both shit is Quality.

    by conspiracy

    If you like the Fudgepack Friday stupidity you'll love when I get serious.

  • Vulcans, as you know, are much stronger in most ways than Humans...Spock probably could tolerate the conditions better. Plus...being Vulcan he possesses the emotional detachment to allow total concentration on the task at hand, not the pain, and a general acceptance of self sacrifice the human simply does not possess. And I'd imagine as he was already overcome from radiation poisoning Scotty ditched the helmet so he could puke up the delicious Uhura he had at lunch...;)

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    re: Why didn't Scotty get in there?

    by Jake Pantlin

    The ship was attacked and radiation started leaking into the engineering room. Scotty appeared to be caught off guard, and passed out from the radiation exposure. That was a plot device to get Spock down there, for sure, but it certainly wasn't a plot hole.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST


    by LT Weezie

    I noticed it back when it premiered in Washington DC, I mentioned it to Susan Sackett at the premiere party at the Air and Space Museum and heard from her later it was a big goof...but they really coudn't reshoot it!

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Radiation suit

    by Boborci

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Radiation suit

    by Boborci

  • Just saying...

  • Not the directors fault, not the writers fault, not the Studios fault...their job is to make things people want to see...period. The fault lies in a society that has fallen to a base level...and demands ever excessive and over the top stimulation. Mark my words...we are not too many generations removed from the return of state sponsored Gladiatorial Games...I truly believe that.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 4:09 p.m. CST

    @conspiracy WELL SAID

    by KilliK

  • last time i checked,nuclear fusion doesnt produce radiation of any kind.PLOTHOLE.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    The only real plothole in TWOK (and TMP)

    by Chief Joseph

    is the same one that all the Trek movies have: The Enterprise is the only ship in the quadrant. I mean, come on.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 4:25 p.m. CST

    boborci does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    *boborci is a talkback character* - aren't we all! And that's half the fun of it. So pull up a stool and enjoy the unmoderated mayhem of geekdom, the shades of grey spectrum, the hive of scum and virginity that is aicn. Mwahahahaahaha!!!!

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    killik, have you been protest marching against austerity cuts or have you been knuckling down and getting on with life?

  • We come from all age groups and social strata; we are from all over the world, in the business or not, rich and poor, educated and ignorant.. Yet in Talkback we are all equally retarded douchebags.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    However...Conspiracy is NOT a Talkback Character...

    by conspiracy

    He is exactly who he is on this board, off this board...for better or worse.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST

    I'm not a talkback character

    by Mugato5150

    Who would be lame enough to be a talkback character?

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 7:38 p.m. CST

    BobOrci, Thanks!

    by gotilk

    I'm so excited to see what Ender's Game is going to look like. Make it great, man!

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 7:38 p.m. CST

    boborci = fake

    by Jake Pantlin

    I was pretty sure from the begining, but now I am 100% convinced. Sorry guys, but I can't buy the real Bob Orci bashing The Wrath of Khan, or any Star Trek for that matter. This is someone (probably a disgruntled TOS fan putting on a show) who is trying to stir up a fuss, and get people hating nu-Trek by acting like an asshole. Pretty silly.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST

    they're terrific spots

    by Nerfee

    Orson Welles v/o. *Nice*

  • ...just like the rest of us do.

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 8:28 p.m. CST

    I fell asleep watching ST:TMP...

    by workshed

    ...on my first date too! Fucking boring. Love TWOK though!

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 9:16 p.m. CST

    There's no way it's the real Orci.

    by Brian Hopper

  • Feb. 22, 2012, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Challenge your intellect...

    by GulDucati movie made today would even bother to lie that it can do that

  • Feb. 23, 2012, 12:51 a.m. CST

    by AlphaDean

    I'm truly excited about these. I was 10 years old when this movie was released and I loved it then. I had to ask my Dad alot of questions but it was still an awesome experience. There is on other movie that I think is unsung in the respect also though. A little know film called the Black Hole from disney. Another film that was grand in scope and simple in its design

  • Feb. 23, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    AICN insists it is the real Orci

    by Joe Plumber

    And why couldn't it be? Everyone in Hollywood is on twitter. Is it that absurd to think that someone in the industry would enjoy mixing it up in the AICN talkbacks? Actually, there's a lot of people in the industry who post here. I would think that someone like Orci would enjoy the freedom that the Talkbacks afford him as opposed to twitter where you have to watch what you say.

  • Feb. 23, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Glad I'm not the only one!

    by film11

    I always appreciated TMP as an attempt to provide a grand visual experience. The problem I think most people had with it is that is was more 2001 and less action-TREK. Yeah, a lot of time was spent lingering on the visuals...but what great visuals! I revelled in every bit of it. (Better than some of the stilted line-readings from some cast members.) The grand unknowability, vastness, and mystery of space was beautifully conveyed. Might be Doug Trumball's finest work ever. However, the ONLY Blu-Ray version of this I'd ever buy is the director's cut...not just for the effects but it also included more character moments and clarification. I do hope that Paramount finds a way to offer it.

  • Feb. 26, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST


    by LT Weezie

    Per the radiation comment, I noticed this too right away the first day I visited the STWOK set. Walter was showing me around and when we got to Engineering, he said "This is where IT happens..." I already knew what IT was...but mentioned that the holes in the lucite (which you can clearly see in the film), would irradiate everyone in the area and IT would have a lot more victims!!