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Published at: Feb. 18, 2012, 6:28 a.m. CST

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ABC
(18-49 finals; repeats in grey; older weeks in parentheses)
4.7 (5.5) (2.7) (2.5) (5.1) (5.1) (5.7) (1.9) Modern Family
3.2 (4.0) (3.6) (1.3) (3.5) (3.8) (4.5) (0.9) Grey’s Anatomy
3.0 (---) (3.5) (3.2) (3.3) (3.7) (1.1) (---) Once Upon A Time
2.6 (2.2) (2.3) (0.8) (2.1) (2.3) (2.7) (---) Private Practice
2.5 (2.6) (2.6) (2.7) (2.4) (2.2) (2.4) (---) The Bachelor
2.4 (2.9) (1.9) (1.7) (2.9) (3.0) (3.2) (1.2) Happy Endings
2.4 (2.6) (1.2) (1.5) (2.5) (2.9) (3.0) (1.3) The Middle
2.4 (2.5) (0.9) (0.9) (2.5) (2.4) (2.5) (0.6) Revenge
2.4 (2.6) (1.2) (1.4) (2.5) (2.9) (2.9) (1.4) Suburgatory
2.2 (2.4) (1.6) (1.5) (2.6) (2.1) (2.4) (1.5) Last Man Standing
2.0 (0.7) (1.9) (1.1) (1.2) (1.4) (---) (---) AFH Videos
2.0 (2.0) (1.4) (2.1) (2.2) (2.3) (---) (0.7) Castle
1.8 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Cougar Town
1.8 (---) (---) (2.6) (2.7) (3.0) (---) (---) Desperate Housewives

1.8 (1.5) (1.5) (1.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) Shark Tank
1.7 (2.4) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) The River
1.5 (1.4) (1.7) (1.6) (---) (---) (---) (---) Primetime
1.5 (1.5) (1.8) (1.5) (1.8) (2.2) (2.7) (---) Wipeout
1.4 (1.7) (1.5) (1.8) (1.7) (1.3) (---) (1.0) 20/20
1.2 (---) (1.0) (---) (1.6) (1.6) (1.5) (1.1) Body of Proof
0.7 (---) (---) (1.2) (1.2) (1.3) (---) (---) Pan Am

* ABC is likely grateful right now it only ordered eight hours of Spielberg’s “The River.” Good thing Bruce Greenwood is still shooting those Bad Robot “Star Trek” movies.

* "Body of Proof," which follows "River" now, hit a new personal worst.

* “Desperate Housewives” hit its lowest number ever last weekend. ABC announced long ago it won’t be back next season.

*  “Pan Am” hit a new personal low last weekend and looks grounded for good after this weekend’s episode.

NBC
(18-49 finals; repeats in grey; older weeks in parentheses)
6.0 (6.7)(16.3) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) The Voice
2.8 (3.8) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Smash
2.3 (2.5) (2.8) (---) (3.0) (2.9)
(1.1) (0.9) The Office
2.1 (2.3) (2.1) (2.1) (2.3) (2.4) (2.4) (0.9) Biggest Loser
1.7 (2.0) (1.4) (1.1) (1.8) (2.0) (1.1) (0.9) Law & Order SVU
1.7 (---) (1.7) (1.7) (1.9) (1.9) (0.9) (0.7) Parks and Recreation
1.7 (1.5) (1.7) (1.4) (1.6) (2.0)
(1.0) (0.9) Whitney
--- (---) (1.7) (1.7) (---) (1.6) (1.5) (1.5) Who’s Still Standing
1.6 (---) (---) (1.1) (---) (1.2) (---) (---) Dateline (Su)
1.6 (1.4) (---) (1.8) (1.4) (0.6) (0.6) (0.8) Grimm
1.6 (1.7) (0.7) (---) (1.7) (1.7) (1.7) (0.7) Parenthood
1.5 (1.1) (1.2) (1.4) (1.3) (1.4) (1.2) (0.8) Dateline (Fr)
1.5 (---) (1.5) (---) (---) (2.3) (2.4) (1.5) Fear Factor
1.5 (1.6) (1.3) (1.8) (1.6) (1.8) (---) (---) 30 Rock
1.5 (1.7) (1.8)
(1.4) (1.9) (2.0) (0.7) (0.7) Up All Night
1.4 (1.5) (1.7) (1.4) (1.7) (2.3) (---) (---) Are You/Chelsea?

1.3 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Who Do/You Are?
0.7 (1.1) (0.8) (1.6) (1.3) (0.7) (1.1) (0.8) Rock Center

* Does NBC now air the biggest series on TV? “The Voice” is doing much better than “X Factor” (which never got above its 4.4 premiere) and better than any Thursday episode of “American Idol” aired this season. NBC is reportedly paying Christina Aguilera $10 million to judge next season. The three male judges are said to be getting $6 million each.

* Spielberg’s “Smash,” which follows “The Voice,” is NBC’s top scripted series. It fell far enough, though, to tie “Glee” this week.

* Now Carell-free, “The Office” is pulling its worst numbers in years.

* “Up All Night” only pulled a 1.5 in the post-“Office” slot. So that could be gone soon.

* “Are You There, Chelsea” is at the moment NBC’s lowest-rated sitcom.

* “30 Rock” continues to do worse than “Community” at 8 p.m. Thursdays.

FOX
(18-49 finals; repeats in grey; older weeks in parentheses)
6.1 (6.1) (6.0) (6.5) (7.4) (---) (---) (---) American Idol (We)
5.1 (5.8) (5.5) (5.5) (5.7) (---) (---) (---) American Idol (Th)

3.1 (3.5) (3.5) (---) (3.4) (1.3) (1.3) (---) New Girl
2.8 (3.3) (3.7) (---) (3.1) (1.1) (0.9) (0.7) Glee
2.5 (1.1) (3.1) (---) (4.4) (3.1) (1.7) (1.0) Family Guy
--- (---) (---) (---) (---) (2.4) (1.1) (1.1) Bones
2.4 (2.5) (2.9) (3.1) (---) (1.1) (1.2) (0.9) House
--- (2.2) (2.4) (2.8) (2.2) (1.7) (---) (---) The Finder
2.1 (2.1) (2.0) (---) (2.3) (1.0) (0.9) (0.9) Raising Hope
2.0 (0.8) (2.4) (---) (5.4) (2.3) (1.5) (0.8) The Simpsons
1.9 (2.3) (2.8) (3.0) (3.3) (---) (---) (---) Alcatraz
1.8 (1.0) (2.4) (---) (---) (2.2) (1.5) (1.0) American Dad
1.8 (0.6) (2.1) (3.3) (4.4) (---) (---) (---) Napoleon Dynamite
1.5 (1.6) (1.4) (1.6) (1.7) (---) (1.1) (0.8) Kitchen Nightmares
--- (1.4) (---) (1.4) (1.9) (1.0) (---) (---) Cops
1.2 (0.8) (1.3) (---) (---) (2.2) (1.3) (0.8) Cleveland Show
1.1 (1.2) (1.2) (1.1) (1.1) (---) (0.4) (0.5) Fringe

* The Thursday edition of “American Idol” barely beat “The Voice” this week, but if one averages “Idol’s” Wednesday and Thursday episodes, “The Voice” comes out as the week’s top series. (Everything lost this week to CBS’ post-Whitney Grammy Awards, which hit a shocking 14.1.)

* Word that this would be final season for “House” did not help the medical drama’s numbers.

* Bad Robot’s “Alcatraz” is sinking fast. Spielberg’s Monday dinosaur drama “Terra Nova” never fell below 2.1.

CBS
(18-49 finals; repeats in grey; older weeks in parentheses)
5.1 (5.6) (5.5) (5.5) (5.3) (5.3) (3.5) (2.8) Big Bang Theory
3.9 (4.2) (2.0) (2.1) (2.2) (4.1) (4.1) (2.1) NCIS
3.9 (4.3) (3.0) (2.9) (4.6) (2.3) (4.5) (2.4) Two and a Half Men
3.8 (4.3) (2.7) (2.6) (4.6) (2.4) (4.4) (1.9) 2 Broke Girls
3.4 (4.0) (2.5) (2.3) (4.4) (2.2) (3.9) (1.8) How/Mother
3.4 (3.4) (2.3) (2.4) (3.8) (2.3) (3.8) (2.1) Mike & Molly
3.2 (3.1) (1.8) (---) (1.7) (3.3) (3.5) (---) NCIS LA
3.2 (3.3) (3.3) (3.5) (3.5) (4.1) (---) (---) Rob
3.1 (3.3) (2.1) (3.7) (3.2) (1.8) (2.0) (2.4) Criminal Minds
3.1 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Survivor
--- (0.5) (3.0) (2.3) (3.0) (---) (---) (---) Undercover Boss
2.8 (3.3) (3.3) (2.1) (3.2) (3.2) (1.8) (1.7) Person of Interest
2.8 (0.5) (1.5) (1.5) (1.5) (4.8) (2.9) (0.9) 60 Minutes
2.7 (2.7) (1.7) (1.6) (2.8) (1.6) (2.9) (1.6) Hawaii Five-0
2.7 (3.0) (2.9) (1.9) (3.0) (2.7) (1.9) (1.7) The Mentalist
2.6 (2.5) (1.5) (3.4) (2.8) (---) (1.7) (2.1) CSI
--- (0.6) (2.3) (1.2) (1.5) (2.6) (1.2) (0.9) CSI Miami
2.3 (2.2) (1.4) (---) (1.5) (2.1) (2.6) (---) Unforgettable
--- (---) (2.2) (1.1) (2.0) (2.7) (1.1) (0.6) The Good Wife
1.8 (1.7) (1.3) (1.3) (1.8) (1.8) (0.9) (1.1) Blue Bloods
1.7 (1.6) (1.2) (1.1) (1.7) (1.8) (1.2) (1.0) CSI NY
1.3 (1.3) (1.0) (1.0) (1.3) (1.5) (1.0) (0.7) A Gifted Man

* While NBC’s “Whitney” struggles, Whitney Cummings’ CBS sitcom “2 Broke Girls” has emerged as the biggest new sitcom in years.

CW
(18-49 finals; repeats in grey; older weeks in parentheses)
1.4 (1.3) (1.2) (---) (1.1) (1.2) (1.5) (0.3) Vampire Diaries
0.8 (0.7) (0.7) (0.7) (0.7) (0.9) (---) (---) One Tree Hill
0.8 (0.8) (0.4) (0.4) (0.7) (0.8) (---) (---) Supernatural
0.7 (0.8) (0.7) (---) (0.7) (0.8) (0.8) (0.3) Secret Circle
0.6 (0.6) (0.6) (0.5) (0.3) (0.3) (---) (---) Hart of Dixie
0.5 (0.6) (0.7) (0.6) (0.6) (0.2) (---) (---) Gossip Girl
0.5 (0.5) (0.3) (0.4) (0.5) (0.6) (---) (---) Nikita
0.4 (0.5) (0.6) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Ringer
0.2 (0.3) (0.3) (0.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) Remodeled

* “One Tree Hill,” curiously, is the only series CW execs say won’t be back next season.

* “Ringer” has overtaken “Nikita” as the netlet’s lowest-rated scripted series.

TOP CABLE SHOWS
(18-49 finals; repeats in grey; older weeks in parentheses)
4.2 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Walking Dead
2.9 (3.0) (3.2) (3.8) (3.5) (3.8) (4.0) (---) Jersey Shore
2.1 (2.1) (2.5) (2.5) (2.3) (2.4) (2.4) (1.9) Pawn Stars
2.0 (2.5) (2.0) (2.2) (2.0) (2.1) (1.9) (1.9) Teen Mom
1.9 (1.9) (1.7) (1.9) (2.2) (1.9) (1.0) (1.5) Gold Rush

1.6 (1.9) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Swamp People
1.6 (1.9) (2.1) (1.8) (1.7) (1.6) (1.8) (1.6) WWE Entertainment
1.4 (1.6) (1.4) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Bering Sea Gold
1.4 (1.6) (1.9) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Tosh.0
1.3 (1.2) (1.1) (1.1) (1.2) (0.8) (---) (---) NBA Basketball
1.2 (1.2) (---) (1.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) The Challenge
1.2 (1.4) (1.6) (1.5) (2.0) (2.8) (---) (---) The Game

1.2 (2.1) (---) (1.5) (1.3) (1.7) (---) (---) Real Housewives Atl
1.1 (---) (1.3) (1.1) (1.4) (1.1) (---) (---) Ax Men
1.1 (1.0) (1.0) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Pants Back
1.1 (---) (0.6) (---) (0.8) (---) (0.8) (---) TBS Movie
1.1 (1.2) (1.4) (1.6) (1.3) (1.2) (1.3) (---) Real Housewives BH
1.0 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Comic Book Men
1.0 (1.0) (0.9) (1.0) (0.9) (1.0) (---) (---) Dance Moms
1.0 (---) (0.6) (---) (---) (---) (---) (2.5) NBA Basketball
1.0 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Top Gear

* Sunday’s “Walking Dead” was the most-watched cable series episode ever. It beat the previous record-holder, October’s second-season “Dead” premiere.

* MTV’s “10 spot” is mammoth these days. “Teen Mom” is cable’s top series on Tuesday, “The Challenge” is cable’s top series on Wednesday and “Jersey Shore” is cable’s top series on Thursdays. (Mondays are pwned by History’s “Pawn Stars”; Fridays belong to Discovery’s “Gold Rush,” which beats everything on broadcast that night.)

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  • Feb. 18, 2012, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Walking Dead

    by MrLongbaugh

    Great show. Cable needs more like this one.

  • However, last Sunday's episode ended in a good way, so we may see a drastic change in pace.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 6:51 a.m. CST

    In an alternate Universe...

    by DJEagles11

    ...Fringe is the top-rated show on television, and Idol was cancelled after it's first season.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 7:21 a.m. CST

    In an alternate universe...

    by john

    Rome and Deadwood are still going strong.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Has Fox officially cancelled Fringe yet?

    by tangcameo

    While I love the show, this season has been like Yesterday's Enterprise, stretched over a whole season. I'm hoping they either get Peter back to his own timeline or have this timeline get absorbed by the original one by Peter's presence in it (which may be happening since I missed last night's ep) before the end of this season. And its so low in the ratings now - plus that 'its too expensive for too low a rating' statement by Fox - that the end seems only a matter of time. I hope they have a "if we get cancelled script" they can shoot. And not the "Peter never gets back home but manages to leap and tell Al's wife that he didn't die over in Viet Nam" ending.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 7:37 a.m. CST

    In an Alternate Universe...

    by tangcameo

    Carnivale went the full six seasons. X-Files didn't get whipped like a dead horse but ended when Mulder found out what happened to his sister. Nowhere Man became the next The Fugitive. Lost's alternative universe was REALLY an alternative universe and not the afterlife. BSG found (our) Earth a season sooner, without the Baltar as a messiah plotline. Reality TV died a quick death when people realized they had a brain. The Avengers (the one without a Hulk) was made 5-10 years earlier with Hugh Grant and Liz Hurley. And Heath Ledger never died, which culminated into a Dark Knight Rises that included a tuxedowearing mobster Penguin, a Harley Quinn Arkham psychiatrist, and cameos by many other non-supernatural or superhuman characters as possible.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 7:53 a.m. CST

    In an Alternate Universe

    by alexander

    People arn't so quick to call the alt universe in Lost simply the afterlife, nor sum up the last season of BSG as 'God did it, whoop-de-fuckin' doo!'... and Carnivale went the full six seasons and Rubicon got at least one more

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 7:53 a.m. CST

    tangcameo

    by Rebel Scumb

    I agree with most of those, though I quite liked BSG and wouldn't change pretty much anything. As for Lost, I liked what they did with the 'alternate' universe, if it was just a legit alt universe it would have been irrelevant to the main show. What I would without was all the pointless time travel and filler from season 5, which is to me the only bad season of the show.

  • would exist without the rise of reality TV, TV was always fairly mediocre, with the exception of a few good shows like Twin peaks, X-files, trek etc, but even those had that bland TV look, which held them back. Remember up until Kiefer did 24 and Martin Sheen did west wing, it was considered career suicide for movie actors to do TV. But I firmly believe it was the rise of sooooooooo much crappy cheaply made crass unintelligent reality shows that created the nessesary vaccuum for scripted dramas/comedies to really up the ante and have to deliver solid writing, top notch actors, and much much higher production values on a weekly basis. Even HBO/cable stuff only really started to push t envelope cinematically around that time. The huge influx of great TV started around 2004-2005 and I think it was the bounceback effect from all the reality shows similar to in the early 1970s when a lot movies were awful and then the studio let Coppola, spielberg, Lucas, scorese, polansky, dipalma, etc come out to play and suddenly cinema took on a whole new life. Personally I think when it comes to Movies vs TV, TV has on a whole much better stuff at the moment. There's very few movies that draw me to the theatre any more, and even fewer I would need to see a 2nd time, where as most of my blu-ray/dvd purchases over the past 2-3 years have been TV shows. Compared to 1990s that would certainly not have been my opinion.

  • Either way, I'm waiting for the blu-rays to watch the rest of this season. I'm finding more and more that's my prefered way to watch shows, in quick full season marathons over a couple of weeks as opposed to one episode every couple of weeks stretch over 8 months.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 8:07 a.m. CST

    For as much as I agree it's time to bow out gracefully

    by tomdolan04

    Season 8 of House has been pretty strong. Sure I want to beat the crap out of whiney Park but the last three ep's in particular have been strong. <p> Laurie as House has consistently been great for eight years, Chases stories of late have been interesting, Taub has been a worthwhile character, Foreman is good although his being shoehorned in as Dean of Medicine has felt contrived - sure it's got faults, but overall for EIGHT YEARS each season have brought new things to the table. <p> Sure you'll always get the 'IT'S NOT AS GOOD AS IT USED TO BE' brigade and usually they are with merit but here the whole crew of House seemed to have had a ball and have been a hell of a lot more memorable than most procedurals. It does need to go as there isn't much more to be done and not be beaten to death, but overall I think the tone of most TV websites - including this one - implying 'HA HA they've been canned due to sliding ratings and a decline in quality' is plain shitty and indicative of how the cynicism of journalists. <p> I'm sure I read as soon as season eight was announced that Laurie was quoted in a music publication for his album that it would be he his last as he wanted to go out with dignity. The announcement last week was just the official dressing of it. <p> Thanks for a great show guys. It's rare I truly get into a show like this. Sure you get the odd Homeland and Damages type show, but decently run network shows like House that have a character are few and far between. 24 was the last big one for me and whilst excellently entertaining that had far more filler episodes than House ever has

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Speaking of Carnivale, anyone know where I can...

    by tangcameo

    ...read the full treatment that describes all six planned seasons (or was it a movie originally?) that is supposedly out there, without having to sign up for anything or join the cult?

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 8:17 a.m. CST

    24, Lost and Fringe would still exist

    by tangcameo

    There were tv shows that tried doing real time episodes long before reality tv (I can remember one episode of MASH with a timeclock in one corner). Lost would still be around because of shows like Dark Shadows and The Prisoner. And Fringe would probably exist because of all of those seventies sci-fi shows and Bermuda Triangle/UFO specials. Anyone remember Cliffhanger?

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 8:18 a.m. CST

    I'm digging The River

    by NeoMyers

    It's creepy and the overarching story is pretty good. Plus, Bruce Greenwood.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Can someone please enlighten me about the American ratings system?

    by Colonel Kurtz

    It obviously isn't indicating millions, because the numbers are too small for a country with a population of 310 million. I suppose it's indicating the percentage of a number of households that are being monitored watching the show. But what is the average percentage that would indicate a successful show, basically the hot or not separator?

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Those 30Rock numbers kill me

    by buffywrestling

    I mean, I don't expect Community to do any better per se. But Community's numbers were SOILD; they were more consistent, weren't they? 30 Rock's are wavering all over the place. It's fucking embarrassing, NBC. And now Homicide:LotS/Breaking Bad's Giancarlo Esposito is going to be a guest star on Communty? And The Wire's Omar already on board? Shiiiit. Number's like that, Season 4 is in the bag, man. As long as they cut the budget. Community S3 was all about them getting out of the study hall, out of the classroom. An easy enough budget cut for S4, is to keep them on set (there is only like four of them anyway). It reminds me of the first two seasons of Buffy - they hardly went anywhere other than a school hallway, the Library or Buffy's house. Dress it up different but it was all the same set layout. Once you start cutting the budget, that is when people start getting tremendously creative with sets & storylines - look at Angel S5 or Dollhouse S2. I want the creators of my favorite shows to sense the same panic I do. Not only to convey it during an episode - I want them to write each season like it was their last. (Also? That's one of the reasons why I think Walking Dead is fucking coasting right now. Their ratings have given them too much freedom to breathe easy because they do not have shit-spawed execs breathing down their necks. I hate note-giving exec fucks like a passion but sometimes you need the worst to bring out your best.)

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST

    WTF?

    by tohn007

    It seems like CBS could throw on any sitcom and it will get ratings. I remember the days when CBS used to get its ass kicked by Fox in the ratings. I hope NBC is getting its fucking wake-up call that Community needs to be back on the air immediately. Even the great 30 Rock is getting lower ratings than Community at that time slot. Get your head out of your ass NBC. Community and Parks and Rec are your best sitcoms now. Fuck Whitney! Fuck Up All Night! Are you there Chelsea is pure garbage so fuck that too.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 8:28 a.m. CST

    @rebel scum

    by tangcameo

    I thought the Baltar-as-messiah was gratuitous. It would have been more interesting if they had found out he had let the Cylons slip in in the first place and put him on trial for that. And as for Lost, if it was going to be the afterlife, they shouldn't have known. Let them all have a reunion in the church, thinking they've somehow escaped the island, Jacob and their flawed lives. Let them all walk into the sunset. Then show Desmond and Eloise watching (no, not angels, just a bit more aware of time and space and life after death) them, gently smiling, then Desmond asking Eloise (or vice versa) "should we tell them they're dead?" and the other saying "yes. but give them a few more moments before you do"

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Person of Interest

    by ElPaw

    Any reason the numbers dipped this week (from 3.3 to 2.8)? It had been rising steadily the past few weeks.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 9 a.m. CST

    Quit Bitching

    by The Alienist

    "Fringe", no matter what alt universe its in, is singularly the best Sci Fi show on TV since "Battlestar". And I too, am diggin' "The River". Its creepy and very well thought out. The show has ambition.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST

    I remember Cliffhangers!

    by TRON

    Also remember American Gothic and Stephen Kings Golden Years

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 9:15 a.m. CST

    @tron When GY aired, and for the longest time after...

    by tangcameo

    ...I did not realize who was underneath the makeup.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 9:18 a.m. CST

    The River Has Ambition?

    by Crow3711

    That's a weird statement. Please explain what kind of ambition you think a handy-cam show about people encountering one, always one, supernatural jungle thing every week on their way to finding what I perceived to be lost's glowing love cave, now called "the source". Show is horrible dudes, and I was super, super excited for it. It's truly awful. Some of the worst, most inconsistent, irrational, and unlikable characters I've seen on tv in a long, long time.

  • Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me over and over and over and over...? FUCK YOU, FOX!!! I simply refuse to watch another favorite show die in the belly of the sarlacc. Nope. No sir, I won't do it.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Supposedly all numbers are down this week

    by buffywrestling

    And not just one but a few network heads are asking Nielsen what the fuck? I think that Thursday is such a competitive night that the -10% drop all around is making everyone question the numbers. Frankly, they should have questioned Nielsen long ago.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 9:22 a.m. CST

    In a perfect universe Buffy, Angel & Firefly would still be on.

    by glodene

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Cancel Alcatraz and House and Terra Nova

    by syn_flood

    And give us our last season of Fringe, bitches! It is holding steady at 1.1/1.2 for most the season, so if WB can agree to a lower license fee, they might renew. Make it so!

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST

    In an alternate universe...

    by John Brown

    ...Journeyman is in its fifth season, and Scott Bakula is a recurring guest star.

  • Amurkuh's dumbing down continues. You know hour country's in trouble when even the Jews are morons.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Even autocorrect seems to have been created by 'tards

    by mdk

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST

    One of the most amazing things happened in the Bufffy comics this week

    by buffywrestling

    And the comic guys on the site didn't cover it at all. Not surprised considering but I was looking forward to that TB :)

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    buffywrestling

    by BangoSkank

    The comicbook guys, as you call them, don't get advanced copies, so they review last weeks books. Not saying it's a given they'll cover it next week, but they certainly haven't ignored either Buffy or Angel in the past.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST

    *as you call them*

    by BangoSkank

    Don't know why I added that, sounds snotty and wasn't meant to be.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST

    tangcameo re: Lost still being around

    by Rebel Scumb

    Yes, but it would probably have been shot in LA and look the way Peter Benchley's Amazon did. And I doubt they would have been allowed to be as experimental with non-linear storytelling as they were.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST

    tang re: Lost ending

    by Rebel Scumb

    I for the most part like the ending, I think where they messed up was the actual location of the church (which to be fair was the Lamp post station church so not completely out of left field) But something more visually akin to the rest of the show. if they all met up on a plane at the end to 'depart' or they were on a beach, or there was a new 'hatch' they had to open (symbolically). It wasn't perfect overall, but then very few things are, and I think it shot a lot higher than most, and succeeded the majority of the time. I will never fault anything for being too ambitious. But personally, I think the 5th season is where most of the damage was done. I do like your idea about desmond and eloise though. I wish her pay off had been better than 'just some lady'

  • HBO style premium high budget cinematic type stuff and youtube The fact that there is now a completely free alternative to television, with instant gratification, countless daily updates (more than can possibly be viewed), ACCURATE ratings numbers, instant reaction from viewers (even if it is barely articulate and dumb) and the viewers themselves have the ability to 'star' in their own 'shows' and the potential that millions of people all over the world may see it. That just seems to me to be something mainstream network TV (the real bland mediocre stuff I mean) will not ultimately be able to compete with. Especially when the current 13yr-25yr old generation comes into power. Just my 2 cents

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    I remmber Cliffhangers too.

    by Ingeld

    It had potential but never allowed to be more than that. I also remember a show called Fantastic Journey, about a strange island in the Bermuda Triangle that a group of people wash up on sure after a plane crash or boating accident. Roddy McDowell was in it. I like it as a kid; it died a quick death.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 10:56 a.m. CST

    In an alternate universe...

    by happybunni

    My nickname is Donkey Dick

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Who cares about Fringe?

    by DrMorbius

    The important question would be ... when is Whitney Houstons funeral on?

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Once Upon a Time…

    by Vlad the Inhaler

    … is, for my money, one of the best (and best-written) fantasy TV shows in a very long time. Glad to see it's doing reasonably well in the ratings.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST

    bangoskank

    by buffywrestling

    Not really sure what you mean by "advanced copies" since the issue was released on Feb 8th. It was my initial mistake because I didn't get around to reading it until this week - I should have clarified. But as an concession; yes, they have reviewed Buffy comics in the past. However, it still makes me question though how sites like USA Today, Entertainment Weekly, Bleeding Cool, i09, Comic Book Resource, Comic Alliance & Mary Sue all reviewed this issue & they did not. But I say again - I am not surprised. The gender issues are unbearably skewed at times in that column; sometimes more-so that the other TB's (amazingly so) which is why I mostly read the reviews but refrain from commenting.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    I offer up Exhibit A, Bango

    by buffywrestling

    Of the complete communication breakdown between myself & black-box Ambush Bug. http://www.aintitcool.com/node/51394 That was an epic communication fail on his part. He never apologized, so he can eat a bag of dicks forever.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Once Upon a Time

    by Rebel Scumb

    Is it worth going back to? I watched the pilot but was having trouble getting into it. But i like some of the actors involved, and the Lost references so would be willing to give it another shot I suppose.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, noon CST

    vlad the inhaler

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    I agree with you on Once Upon A Time, it and Fringe are the best things on TV right now (in my opinion)

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Community is supposed to be back on March 15th

    by SifoDyasJr

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Justified??

    by Henry_Jones

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Lost was more about the ride than it was the destination

    by SifoDyasJr

    It was wildly imperfect, and I think most of us knew the ending wouldn't live up to expectations, but it's still one of the greatest shows ever made for TV.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Do the right thing for your country

    by ObnoxiousCamper

    Bring 24 back, bitches.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    RE: In an alternate universe...

    by Sean1701

    Pushing Daisies would still be on the air.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Kat Dennings - cast her in Transformers reboot

    by DavidBanner

    just because.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Post proof sifodyasjr

    by buffywrestling

    Please post proof?

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    The "big four" networks are all shit now...

    by Tristan

    These are the shows I watch: 1. Breaking Bad 2. Justified 3. Sons of Anarchy 4. Game of Thrones 5. The Walking Dead 6. Boardwalk Empire 7. Southland 8. Face Off 9. Survivor How many of those shows I just listed, are on the big four (ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox)? ONE! How many of the Spielberg and Abrams shows on TV, right now, are disappointments? ALL!

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Shocking ratings drop for Person of Interest

    by centilope

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST

    I hope Person of Interest gets back on track ratings-wise

    by centilope

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Quality-wise Person of Interest episode 15 was great

    by centilope

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST

    But you are not the "control group" aftermath

    by buffywrestling

    Unless yo have a Nielsen box. Short version: a sample of 25,000 households in varied class of race, money & family members represent the 310 million viewers that advertising is targeted to. And it won't change because it's never been about the quality of a TV show but advertising to the target audience watching the TV at the time. Cable channels can rely on smaller ratings because the advertising is not as expensive as Broadcast television. Broadcast TV - ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX - reach more homes than select cable channels like CW, FX, HBO & the like. Ergo, higher Advertising rates for Broadcast TV and the more likelihood that a show will get cancelled without the target audience tuning in to those shows.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    Ingeld

    by c4andmore

    Are you my alt? I used to love both those shows.

  • Just sucks that FOX will more than likely can it. Probably the best sci-fi (and I guess you could say horror) show on TV.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Best show on TV: Fringe

    by Tarch

    Hands down the best sci-fi on TV. They can cancel Alcatraz (very disppointing) and Terra Nova (potential, but so expensive) for the cash to keep it around. PoI, to my great surprise, has become a pretty amazing show.

  • I'm sorry, but when I repeatedly see things like the Big Bang Theory, 2 Broke Girls and the Jersey Shore pulling these numbers, it's hard to argue Mr Sorkin's point. Americans loooooooooooove dumb fucking TV.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 2:43 p.m. CST

    I honestly want to know what NBC execs think about

    by Cartagia

    75+% of their sitcoms doing worse than Community. The one interview/ press conference I saw, the suit seemed to genuinely like the show, and hoped it would continue.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Cancel all this crap and gove me Season3 of Twin Peaks

    by Boscorooty

    Get Coop out of the freaking lodge! It's been almost 25 years for cyin' out loud!

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Aside from Peaks, keep SHERLOCK and DOWNTON coming.

    by Boscorooty

    and I'll be happy.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    I watched an episode of House of Lies

    by mr.underwater

    And it seemed like it was written by a 24-year-old frat guy. And not a particularly intelligent or funny frat guy, Poor Cheedle... I would say poor Veronica Mars chick too, but her post-VM output has been pretty uniformly bad. Just another day at the office for her. Just needed to get that off my chest somewhere.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST

    The only reason Community is on hiatus is Lorne Michaels

    by OutsideChance

    NBC does not want to piss him off. So the past- its-expiration date "30 Rock" and the so-so "Up All Night," both Michaels productions, stay on the air while "Community" sits on the bubble.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Couldn't Agree More, Mr. Underwater - House of Lies

    by The Bear

    I was looking forward to "House of Lies," but it's been a badly written show that probably appeals to frat boys with "C" averages -- just dumb and horny. And there's not a single character on the show I'd want to spend two minutes with: major flaw.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    What's up with the Person of Interest drop?

    by cptrios

    It had been very steady for weeks and weeks and suddenly it takes a little dive. Was there something else on this last time?

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST

    The altar of Aaron Sorkin, theseeker7 , really?

    by Mugato5150

    People talking fast all in the same voice while walking down corridors doesn't automatically make a show or movie smart. Sure his stuff is smarter than the average Doctor/ Lawyer/ Cop Show. It's also annoyingly pretentious and self important. I did like Studio 60, even if it had all the above qualities.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    amen boscorooty

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    Too bad Lynch wasted his oportunity with fire walk with me.

  • And I called "Lost's" piss-poor ending from the first season, knowing all along that it was a steaming pile of disappointment that would wind up less than the sum of its individual parts. Had "Twin Peaks" not been royally fucked with by Roger Iger, and been allowed to unfold slowly with no resolution of the Laura Palmer murder - AS ORIGINALLY INTENDED - we wouldn't have had empty-headed embarrassments like "Carnivale" or "Lost" for TalkBackers to whine incessantly about.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST

    In a perfect world Joss Whedon would have never existed.

    by Volllllume3

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST

    In a perfect world volllllume3 would have never existed.

    by oisin5199

    And both Angel and Firefly would have run 7 seasons. And Dollhouse would have run 5.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Anyone Who Thinks Firefly Shouldn't Exist Can Disappear

    by Crow3711

    I'm not even the biggest Joss fan on earth, but that show is so brilliant...

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 6:08 p.m. CST

    In an alternate universe X-Files ended after season 5.

    by hank henshaw

    Tangcameo says it should have ended after Mulder found out what happened to his sister, but that couple of episodes and the explanation of her fate was atrocious (like most mythology episodes from season 6, 7, 8, and 9). After season 5, X-Files should have moved on to become a series of feature films, like the original plan. Maybe even a "next generation" type of spinoff. Instead, we got a lame-ass, cheapo movie in 2008. :(

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST

    X Files should have ended after season 6

    by theGoldbergV

    Pretty much everything after that point is shit. I'm sure the reason there's never been a follow up mythology film is because they fucked up the mythology so much on those final years. Super soldiers and Mulder 'pulling a Jesus' being particular low points Robert Patrick was pretty awesome on it though

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST

    It is time for Fringe to be cancelled

    by AsimovIsFuckingDead

    That shit television sshow needs to go. It pains me to see that this show is still on when there is an audience for cerebral entertainment being unfed. That fuck Jar Jar is poluting the airwaves and needs to be driven away. And he can take that hackboy Orci with him!

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST

    30 Rock Sucks!!

    by loc420

    I mean sometimes it's solid but damn it NBC, no matter how much you stuff it down our throat, it's never gonna be Seinfield. I can't stand NBC which stands for No Balls Cunts network. Give me Community back, underrated shows. Ohhh and in an alternate reality......... Arrested Development would still be on.

  • But that was why Mulder got into UFOs in the first place. Deep down, he wasn't searching for signs of extraterrestrial life, he was looking for his sister. ...and I think the only good Mulder's Sister episode, other than the original scene where we see Mulder and Sister back in 73, was 'Paper Hearts'.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 7:23 p.m. CST

    I predict 'Walking Dead' will be well below 4.0 this week

    by ATARI

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST

    I loved the Burt Reynolds as God episode

    by tangcameo

    The episode didn't make sense but good choice to play God.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 7:37 p.m. CST

    I've been following Alcatraz, but I agree, it can't last

    by lv_426

    It would be a better show if every episode wasn't a new Alcatraz inmate of the week showing up in the present day and wreaking havoc. The most interesting part about the show is the lore of Alcatraz, and the mystique of the time travel element and the lingering question of who or what sinister organization took these violent prisoners and sent them into the future. I think maybe they should have introduced a few prisoner characters that acted more as regular cast memebers. Either eventually helping Emerson Hauser and his team, or going on the run and not being caught so easily in one episode. At first I thought this show was going to be like The X-Files, where we'd have a big mythology episode (the UFO/abduction stuff), then a few stand alone episodes, then towards the middle of the season a couple mythology episodes, then a few more stand alones, finally then getting two or three big mythology episodes to finish the season. Alcatraz seems to be a cop procedural that is merely going to be a cop procedural show, but with the mythology arcs sort of mashed into the crime of the week structure. I have to wonder if that is going to work all that well for a whole 20-22 episode season at a time. Right now I wonder if they are neither capturing the kind of viewer that wants a bunch of crimes of the week (CSI, NCIS, Law & Order), nor are they grabbing the type of viewer that likes a longer story arc (Lost, BSG, The Walking Dead).

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST

    I've never understood the hate for BSG's ending

    by nora inu

    I loved it for the most part, where BSG suffered was the bit around the last part of the 3rd season or so when they drifted aimlessly with a series of completely unnecessary stand alone eps that screamed "WE HAVE NO IDEA WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS". Yeah, I could have done without Messiah Baltar too (what kind of weirdo One True God were we dealing with here?) but I loved most of the rest of the 4th season

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Exactly nora inu!

    by Rebel Scumb

    They should have spent more time on New Caprica in season 3 and milked that story arc longer, it was an interesting turn for the series to take, and unfortunately because they blew all their FX budget for the season on the 'exodus' sequence, the rest of the season was really low key. I liked the ending for Lost, but I understand why some people don't. But I will never understand all the bad press the BSG ending gets, I felt like it was as richly satisfying a finale as that show could ever hope to have.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 8:09 p.m. CST

    re: the BSG Standalones...

    by Leto III

    The BSG standalones during the third season weren't Ronald Moore's idea -- they were essentially foisted upon him by the skittish network brass, who wanted to avoid "serialized" storytelling, out of fear of dumb audience members not being able to follow the larger mythology-plot. However, they soon realized that the original, serial format worked in the show's best interests far better, and reverted to this in Season Four. It wasn't because "[they] had no idea where they were going" with the storyline. Quite the opposite, in fact.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 8:10 p.m. CST

    And agreed -- BSG Season 4 was amazing.

    by Leto III

    Fuck the haters.

  • 2 Huge Tits

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST

    I like POI. Lionel Fusco is an interesting character.

    by kabong

    It's not easy being a crooked cop.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 10:35 p.m. CST

    In an alternate universe

    by Xiphos_2

    ALF, My Mother Car and Baywatch Nights would still be on.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 10:35 p.m. CST

    ratings down due to grammys

    by MGTHEDJ

    Speculation was yes the grammys did insane numbers, 14.1, but all the other channels did new episodes as welll, so the DVRs were working overtime. Then people were watching Sunday's shows while recording Monday's stuff, and so on. People will not be caught up until Sunday afternoon.-----later-----m

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Where's Justified?

    by DEZDOONZ

    Is it really doing that poorly? That would suck if it got cancelled...

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 11:13 p.m. CST

    2 broke girls clip: made me incandescent with rage

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    I heard the show was stupid, but really, I had no idea it could be that bad

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 11:19 p.m. CST

    I can't believe how bad her LINE DELIVERY is. Atrocious!

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    ...and that awful "Full House" laugh track... is this really what America watches?

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 11:31 p.m. CST

    HEY LOOK! Walking Dead is still doing really well.

    by gotilk

    Time to fire people and make more budget cuts! Weee!! Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 11:32 p.m. CST

    dioxholsters_ghost

    by gotilk

    As long as it's SGU.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Archer?

    by Franklancer

    I had heard the ratings were good for this new 3rd season.. but am not seeing any of the last 4 episodes on this chart.. am i missing something or is this bad news...

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Pretty much everything I watch is doomed.

    by gotilk

    I think Supernatural is safe though. And for some reason I get the feeling this isn't the last we'll see of Fringe. I don't know why, but I guess I'm just an optimist. These last few episodes of Fringe have been great episodes. <sarcasm>It seems people KIND of like TBBT.</sarcasm> But at the same time I hear pretty much nothing but hatred for the show. I think it's a tight, well written comedy. I still have no idea why normals seem to connect with it though. It's a testament to the quality of the writing that they can make such obscure references and celebrate geekhood as they do and still pull in INSANE numbers. Good for them.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 12:20 a.m. CST

    daddylonghead

    by gotilk

    I could see you glowing from here. I share your rage.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Shows I like are always gone or get shit ratings

    by Binkysguy

    Currently I DVR Justified, Southland, Prime Suspect, Fringe, House and Alcatraz. House has had a good run but those others seem to be in trouble. What the fuck? Ok, I see the dumbshit shows that stay on (Jersey Shore, anyone?) so I am sort of proud not to be lumped in with all the idiots out there but goddamn! Also, I light a candle for Journeyman, Lie to Me, My Own Worst Enemy (fuuuuuuuuck!), Journeyman,The Unusuals, Brotherhood, The Chicago Code and Journeyman. Fuck you, networks.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 12:35 a.m. CST

    In an alternative universe Get A Life would still be on.

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Whedon-ites

    by iharlequin

    My god, guys, for fuck sake. If anything Buffy and Angel were on the air too long. Firefly is only as awesome as it is because it was cut too soon. I loved West Wing and BSG and those shows are better off having run their course. The ending for Lost was a joke. The Sopranos ending was perfect (I think Tony was killed). And the ending to BSG annoyed me because it turned on the realism that made the show so compelling and by making the reason for the show full tilt supernatural. Everyone should be watching Sherlock.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 1:49 a.m. CST

    I think Supernatural is safe for now

    by centilope

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 1:50 a.m. CST

    Didn't SPN get moved to a bigger hall at Comic-con?

    by centilope

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 1:52 a.m. CST

    No Archer or Justified on the cable ratings list?

    by centilope

    That worries me.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Archer and Justified are really great TV

    by centilope

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 2:32 a.m. CST

    binkysguy

    by gotilk

    *bows head* ... Journeyman. Moment of silence please?

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 2:38 a.m. CST

    fuck, Modern Family is a juggernaut!

    by BadMrWonka

    well deserved, too. even it's mediocre episodes are streets beyond almost any comedy on TV...currently...

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 5:01 a.m. CST

    In an alternate universe, MTV would still play music videos

    by FlandersBum

    Instead it's turned into a haven for crap television and crap reality shows aimed at 13 year old girls. Ah well...

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 5:14 a.m. CST

    In an alternate universe...

    by KazamaSmokers

    AIRWOLF is shooting it's 26th season.

  • I'll be sad to see it go.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 5:34 a.m. CST

    I think Happy Endings is the funniest sitcom on TV right now

    by Griefo

    Well after Louie.. but that's not really a sitcom. Just saying..

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Justified last four weeks

    by TGC

    It did a 0.9, a 1.1, a 0.8, and a 0.8 So the ratings are not so low that it is a given FX will cancel it, like Terriers and Knocked Out, but they aren't great.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 7:40 a.m. CST

    In an alternate universe

    by thepoohguy

    Season 2 of Heroes would have had a whole new cast, and Tim Kring wouldn't have still been running (ruining) the show.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Random stuff I want to say

    by Tristan

    Terriers, Journeyman, Terminator: TSCC, Firefly, Dark Angel, Prime Suspect, Rome, Deadwood, Damages (is that still on Direct TV?)...these shows definetly, deserved a better chance. Speaking of cancelled shows, while I think Joss Whedon is brilliant, Dollhouse certainly, wasn't very good. Is Being Human and Lost Girl any good? What about The Fades? Justified is a great show, but this season has been kinda weak, compared to previous seasons. I've tried watching, Spartacus, but I just can't get into it. I liked the first season, but this season is boring. While I LOVED The X-Files, it totally went on far too longer, than it should have. Jerry Seinfeld and Larry David made a good move to end "Seinfeld", even tho the finale wasn't that great. Hell on Wheels is good. I don't like the name of the show, but it's the only western on TV. I don't have Showtime, so I've missed out on Dexter, Weeds and Homeland. I liked the first and second season of True Blood, but that show has just gotten too fucking crazy. Wayy too much going on. I couldn't\cant get into Lost, BSG, V, Fringe, Person of Interest, Grimm and House.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 8:28 a.m. CST

    leto iii that is what I had heard as well...

    by Rebel Scumb

    regarding your comment of BSGs 3rd season being loaded with one offs. and to be honest when I rewatched the whole series a year ago, even those were much better than I remembered

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 8:31 a.m. CST

    In an Alternate Universe

    by NinjaChampion

    Get A Life at least has a complete series DVD boxset with multiple commentary tracks and deleted scenes. And Fringe moves to another network, gets the ratings it deserves and after 7 seasons ends with a big budget movie.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 8:34 a.m. CST

    I'm glad to see REVENGE has been performing consistently

    by Rebel Scumb

    I like that show. I'm not sure it's something I would need to buy on dvd and watch again. But at present it's the only thing airing on tv that I'm watching week to week (I do follow clone wars & fringe but I'm just going to wait for the blu-rays to come out in the fall) The other shows I watch: Game of thrones, Mad men, dexter, homeland, community are all on the off season at the moment.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Starting to agree

    by PTSDPete

    That all the good tv stuff may have in fact been galvanized by reality TV. 'Lost' picks up after the 'Survivor' model and is essentially that show as a television series. '24' was an action film as reality TV, and shot in real time. A lot of these echo the 'embedded' nature of 24 hour cable news, and stuff like 'Cops'. Though all these may merely echo the zeitgeist of 'Saving Private Ryan', 'Blair Witch Project', and the Dogme 95 movement. </p>Not the final word, but an interesting point nonetheless.</p>

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 8:47 a.m. CST

    ptsdpete

    by Rebel Scumb

    and by no means do I think that is the only factor leading to all the good TV But it seemed like around 2003-2004 was when reality tv oblivion hit it's peek with sooooooooo many trashy awful shows on, and virtually no good scripted dramas at all, with the exception of 24 and a few others. And I do think 24 was the big watershed mark. So many shows look so good nowadays, but I remember the first time I saw the pilot for 24 and it opened up to that beautiful helicopter shot of LA by night, and a chopper flew by with really great sound, cinematic type score blaring, cut to split screen of these really charged scenes with superb feature film type cinematography (instead of the typical bland TV action show look) and thinking 'WOW! this is like a movie!! This show must cost a fortune!!' then all of a sudden around 2004-2005 we get Lost, BSG, the rebirth of Dr. Who, The Office, Veronica mars. Even some shows that aren't my personal cup of tea like Desperate Housewives, at least took the time to be really well shot, and used serialized story telling. It just felt like a birth (or rebirth) of even television. But certainly other things contributed as well. The rise of cable shows forced networks to up their ante in order to compete. But even a lot of the HBO stuff only started looking as slick as it does around that time. OZ and the Sopranos always had good writing, but they both looked pretty average visually back then.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST

    The River

    by pumaman

    Is more like a dirty puddle.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST

    deaft0ne

    by Rebel Scumb

    Breaking Bra

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    hoping scully gets on californication

    by animas

    or skinner

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Alcatraz is sinking? YES!!!!

    by AsimovLives

    Yes!! Justice! Karma!

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST

    You can scream this is just my opinion, re: 30 Rock, but..

    by Goodbye_America

    It's always sucked. I can't stand shows that have a smug wink, even if the writing and acting show competent, fleshed out actors. It's still basically comes down to a trope of "This is so fucking clever," and gets trapped in that box.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Walking Dead is getting on my nerves...

    by Superthug3000

    I'm tired of the fact that the only good moments are the first five minutes and then the last five. Everything in between is useless chatter. I know that we were promised by the cast and producers that things would get more exciting and action packed upon its return,Now its time to deliver.Also as a side note what are Justified's numbers? I still enjoy this show and hope that it is doing well enough to continue. Oh and Fox feel free to cancel Fringe.

  • Obviously I haven't seen every sci-fi show on TV... But it seems to me that the only choice we have is X-file type sci fi or cop drama sci fi. I think that really sucks. I want a good sci fi show on TV. I suppose there's Terra Nova, but that's been done in bad quality.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    How long before NBC cancels NBC?

    by mackmm

    Their ENTIRE comedy schedule is being beaten by CBS's Rob and 2 broke girls, CBS has found the golden goose, vulgar jokes and stereotypes. Here are some good CBS drinking games 2 broke girls: Drink when there's a lesbian reference or any genital joke, or making fun of the Asian guy Rob: Stereotype joke or unfunny situational comedy (you'll be buzzing 5 minutes in) 2 1/2 men : Jon Cryer self deprecating humor Any other cast bashing Cryer, Stupid son joke Mike and Molly: Fat jokes Big Bang Theory: Any forced geek reference. Any WB/DC owned comic reference I would take Community in exchange of ALL of these mill-house vulgarities.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 4:47 p.m. CST

    I don't know if 'Revenge' is good TV or not…

    by Vlad the Inhaler

    … but it's entertaining as hell, and I'm hopelessly addicted. It's like Shakespearean tragedy crossed with 'The O.C.', and really well-executed to boot. I don't know how they can stretch the story arc over multiple seasons, but I'm along for the ride. <p> I'm rapidly losing interest in 'Alcatraz'. Or, more accurately, losing patience with it. Unless they do something REALLY AMAZING and mondo mysteriouso in very short order, e.g. the fifth episode of 'Dollhouse', I'm done with it. And increasingly distrustful of the JJ Abrams brand.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 5:16 p.m. CST

    deebo I share your opinion of 30 rock

    by Rebel Scumb

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 5:17 p.m. CST

    and good assessment of REVENGE vlad

    by Rebel Scumb

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Deebo that's exactly how I feel about Community

    by Monolith_Jones

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Not sure what's worse

    by The Pelti

    1. When a show is cruelly cancelled without being given a chance, like Firefly and too many other Friday Night Death Slot shows. 2. When a show, after initial success, drops off in it's second season and the network tinkers with it, making it worse and killing it, like Twin Peaks, or Veronica Mars. 3. When a show was once great, but drags on too long, like X-Files or the Simpsons 4. When terrible, soulless shows like CSI stay on the air for eternity. 5. When terrible, soulless, campy shows like JAG/NCIS stay on the air for eternity. 6. When terrible, soulless, campy, pandering genre garbage with entirely 1-dimensional cardboard cutouts instead of characters, like Stargate, stay on the air for eternity, and fanboys still have the gall to complain about it being cancelled, and then boycott a new spinoff that actually broke away from the absurd cliches and post-it-note characterisation and had potential.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Can you really blame network tinkering for killing Twin Peaks

    by OutsideChance

    Maybe the Saturday night death slot but really the show's problem was that they had nothing to write about after the killer was caught midseason.

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Is that the shitty American Top Gear on the list?

    by Losers_Game

    Or the actually decent BBC one?

  • Feb. 19, 2012, 10:12 p.m. CST

    What do all those numbers mean?

    by wonderllama

    Seriously, I'm from Dumbsville in another country and those numbers and brackets etc mean fuck all to me. Can some lovely poster please explain?

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 2:50 a.m. CST

    They should have had hotter girls on Pan-Am

    by chien_sale

    I mean it's a bunch homey boring little girls

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 11:11 a.m. CST

    When people say how stupid American television is?

    by kidicarus

    What is good foreign television, besides the always great BBC stuff? Seriously, I watch Mexican TV channels for a few minutes and I see nothing better than even the worst U.S. channels. What country is making this great television that I don't know about? If anything, I've learned that Americans are no more or less intelligent than anyone else.

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST

    If they would just bring back Journeyman

    by cromulent

    TV could be saved

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST

    If you read the comic, Walking Dead

    by cromulent

    Is really not about killing zombies but the people living in a zombie apocalypse. Issues would go by with no one killing a single zombie. Not saying that's how it should be in the show,but if it was nonstop zombie killing every episode it would...ok that would still be awesome

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    In the alternate Universe

    by ZodNotGod

    Star Trek ran into the 70's... but the thoguht of no Wrath of Khan puts the brakes on that romantic notion. Dallas would have ended three seasons sooner with no death of Bobby Ewing. Cheers would have ended when Diane left. BSG would have returned with the original crew; Hatch, Benedict... (I still dig the Moore version too).

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 4:17 p.m. CST

    @outsidechance re:Twin Peaks

    by The Pelti

    David Lynch never intended to reveal the killer so early. But the second season ratings were down, and ABC chief Roger Iger forced Lynch/Frost to make big changes.

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST

    All reality shows should be killed.

    by ZodNotGod

    Being with garbage like WIPEOUT on down the line. In an alternate universe, WKRP in Cincinnati ran five seasons with no sequel series. After Star Trek 4, the original crew returned to television. The Office left the air in season 6. Parks & Rec was the number 1 rated show on tv. Charlie Sheen died of a drug OD in the early 90's. Mission Impossible sequel series, (1988-90) ran for seven seasons too. Buffy was cut short by one season, Angel was extended one. Dollhouse was not a sci-fi show, but a cool and hip detective series very much like Charlie's Angels. Gilligan's Island ran five seasons, while Gunsmoke died off.

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Great series television= The BBC's LUTHER! Awesonme stuff...

    by ZodNotGod

    And I hate cop procedurals for the most part.

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Ditto to REVENGE!

    by ZodNotGod

    Well made trash perhaps? Better than all of the Law & Order snoozers combined.

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Is Fox going to keep "The Finder"? I hope so...

    by lynxpro

    Eric Roberts going to be the Gypsy [big] bad "Uncle Shad"... I think the show would do better on the USA Network than on Fox.

  • Feb. 20, 2012, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Revenge = Horrible TV

    by chiwrtr72

    I was in a focus group that had us watch an episode of Revenge with one of those dials that are 0-10. I don't think I ever went over a 4. Was very disappointed when I saw the show was still going to be on.

  • is alright by me. But honestly, outside of The Middle and Moderm Family on ABC, Community and Parks and Rec on NBC, and Bobs Burgers and The Simpsons on Fox, network television means nothing to me. Give me Breaking Bad, Justified, Mad Men, Archer and Its Always Sunny any day of the week. (Can't get the pay nets so I catch Dexter, Nurse Jackie, True Blood and the rest on dvd).