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Detailed report on 20 minutes of raw X-MEN dailies

Well, here's a report just sent to AICN Headquarters, and Father Geek urges you to remember that this is daily footage that may or may not make it to the final flick, but these discriptions combined with the trailer footage, stills etc... are starting to give us a pretty good picture of what the long awaited film will be like. This is spoiler heavy stuff so you may want to stop reading right now... STOP IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW!!!

Hey Harry, Father Geek, Moriarty,

First time poster here. You can call me Magnum PI.

Last night I had the privilege of seeing some raw footage from the X-Men movie. A friend of mine was able to get a hold of it through a friend who was working on the movie here in Toronto. In total there was about 20 minutes of scenes (multiple takes) showing a chess game between Professor X and Magneto, part of a fight scene with Wolverine, a scene with Rogue and Mystique and Magneto, Storm bursting into a room with big news and Wolverine's first meeting with Prof. X and the X-Men in the X-Mansion.

Spoiler Alert From This Point On!!!

The chess game scene was dialogue heavy but it was difficult to hear what they were saying because the voice dubbing hadn't yet been done. This is the case with most of the footage. Hence the phrase "raw footage".

Multiple takes of Wolverine jumping down on somebody and pulling back his arm to strike with his claws (plastic with CGI to be added later on to make them look better). Due to the camera angle and brevity of the footage I was not able to tell who he was fighting.

The scene with Rogue shows her sitting on the floor handcuffed while Magneto talks to her and Mystique walks into the room. Only Magneto was speaking during this scene and he instructs Mystique to "Put her (Rogue) in the machine." I have no idea to what he is referring. Anna Paquin wasn't sporting the "skunk 'do" that the comic character is famous for. Maybe she gets it by the end of the movie.

Several takes of Storm coming into a room were shown. She announces that Senator Kelly is dead. Guess he won't be back for the sequel. Halley Berry seems to be speaking in some weird accent that sounds like an Indo-Carribean-British mix. It sounded so fake and ridiculous that I burst out laughing when I heard it. If she was going for an Egyptian-Kenyan accent (which would make sense if they were sticking to the comic origin) she failed miserably. Just my opinion.

The best footage by far was with Wolverine sneaking around X-Mansion and running into Prof. X. From what I could tell from the dialogue, early in the movie Logan and Rogue are saved from Sabretooth by the X-Men. They are brought back to the X-Mansion unconscious and housed in the lower levels of the school.

The scene opens with a hidden elevator door opening and an obviously disoriented Logan cautiously comes out. There he sees a large wood paneled hallway that is large and very majestic looking (this makes sense as I believe the X-Mansion scenes were filmed in Toronto's landmark Casa Loma). He begins sneaking around and hides as a group of about 10-12 young people walk by. It appears as though in the movie the Xavier Institute is being run as a fully functioning private school with more than just a handful of students. I like this as it makes more sense than the comics. After the students pass by , Logan ducks into a nearby room. This is followed by a point-of-view take of the scene from Logan's perspective.

The next scene shows Logan turning around and it is an office. Seated behind the desk is Prof. X and in front of him are several students. It appeared that Logan had interrupted a tutoring session. The professor dismissed the students. As they leave one forgets her book bag and returns for it. Professor X reminds her not to be late for her next class and calls her Kitty (I somehow get the feeling that Shadowcat AKA Kitty Pryde may be in the next movie). Professor X comes from behind his desk and you see that he is in a wheel-chair. At that point Storm, Cyclops and Dr. Jean Grey enter the room and are introduced.

Professor X then begins to explain how Logan got there, about mutants and assures him that Rogue is ok. Logan is clearly skeptical and rudely asks if Prof. X's code name is "Wheels". He then declares that this is "the stupidest thing he's ever heard" and starts to leave but Cyclops blocks his way. He grabs Cyclops by the collar and Professor X calms him down by mentioning what he knows about Wolverine's history. Apparently Wolverine has the same memory problems that he has in the comics and has been drifting around for about 15 years. He also appears to not know Sabretooth but Prof. X hints that they are connected because Sabretooth knows him. Professor X offers to help him remember from where (presumably the Weapon X program). The scene ends at his point and there are multiple takes with minor variations in dialogue and some bloopers.

From what I've observed and what my source tells me the movie will revolve a great deal around Wolverine, his history and his integration into the team. This won't be easy because Logan is such a loner.

That's all I have for now. I hope it is helpful.

Magnum PI

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  • March 4, 2000, 10:38 a.m. CST

    You know, when you think about it...X-Men is just an allegory fo

    by regulator

    Think about it. just about everybody is white, and the only black character has WHITE hair. I for one am not going to waste my money on any movie that promotes such rasict views. (Please be aware this is a joke. I'm not serious in the least.)

  • March 4, 2000, 10:40 a.m. CST

    by darthpsychotic

    if this movie is going to revolve around logan/wolverine, his history, and his trying to fit into the group, there may be some hope. i always thought that giant-sized xmen #01 should have been used as the outline for the movie. it obvious that they're trying to incorporate most xmen eras into movie and that might not be to bad. i don't know what anna paquin looks like now, i hope she does rogue justice. i hope to see the magneto/rogue relationship in the movie, because their old guy/very young girl angle gave me a hard-on. i bet halle berrys ass will be in jail by the time the movie comes out.

  • March 4, 2000, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Anyone making a blooper reel? (NT)

    by Babba-Booey

  • March 4, 2000, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Does it even matter anymore?

    by Beef Derky

    I mean, c'mon, the movie's probably gonna open big, but when word gets out (and from what I've heard about it already...) it's gonna tank hard. Peace in the Middle East.

  • March 4, 2000, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Sounds good to me.

    by Playhouse

    First off, good joke, Regulator. Of course, now you won't hear the end of it the way people tend to be here. Now for the footage, it's not much but sounds good to me. I would have loved to hear more on Rogue, though, as she seems to be the missing link of this film. I do dig the fact that she doesn't have the stripe in her hair to begin with. Hopefully it will come in by the end or in the inevitable sequel. A result of her powers and experiences maybe? As for Darthpsychotic's comment on wanting Giant-Sized X-Men #1 being the outline for the movie, I always hoped they would have used that for a sequel. I still hold that they should have started from the beginning with Scott, Hank, Warren and Bobby. Then this new girl arrives, Jean. It would have been a bold move and could have tied us into the characters and the whole story more. And what better way to ensure everyone will see the sequel than to leave them wanting Wolverine. But, alas, they didn't go that route. Oh well. I'm still gonna see it.

  • March 4, 2000, 11:15 a.m. CST

    I can't wait!!!

    by Punani Patrol

    Sounds pretty cool! I can't wait til July!!! Does it matter that Storm's hair sucks... and according to this source-has a lame accent... NO! it doesn't.. :) As for the moronic numb-nuts who thinks the X-Men stands for racism... and can't seem to give the movie a chance before it even comes out (yes, you... moron).. GET A LIFE.. AND.. A FREAKIN CLUE!!! See, if I took your attitude and view point... I might be sure that you and anyone else who takes pot-shots at the movie before it even comes out is a total inbred DUMBASS. I rarely ever post on these things... but pisses me off that people can be that narrow minded. There, I said it. If you don't like it SUCK IT! Obviously, you already think the movie sux.. so you know what? DON'T POST ON ANYMORE X-MEN MOVIE TOPICS!!!! SHEESH! signed mE....Bitch with an Itch...

  • March 4, 2000, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Hey regulator, you're actually not that far off the mark...

    by Jopapa

    X-Men does revolve around racism, although to a different degree. It shows how society is so quick to assume that something different from the collective whole (ie: the mutants) is 100% evil, when, in fact, it isn't. It also shows how some mutants react to their ill-given label and go out to destroy those who oppresed them. Kinda makes sense, don't it peoples?

  • March 4, 2000, 11:32 a.m. CST

    This movies gonna suck>>

    by Tornado_Jackson

    At first I thought this movie would be kinda cool. But after seeing those incredibly lame costumes I know its gonna suck. They turned the X-Mens cool costumes into black leather wearing Matrix wannabes. And Storm looks pathetic. Halle Berry??? What the hell were they thinking.

  • March 4, 2000, 11:33 a.m. CST

    X-pectations

    by Cowblaster

    Sounds good to me. Does anyone know if Hugh Jackman will use his Austrailian accent or not? I hope he doesn't. I'm worried that the movie makers will make the same mistake as the guys who made the X-Men cartoon in the 80's. . . giving ol' Logan a very thick Aussie accent that made my skin crawl. Yuck! I'm still convinced that Rogue will be more of a replacement character for Jubilee. Sure, Rogue did start out much the same way, as a young girl not being able to yet cope with her powers, but I'm talking about her relationship with Wolverine. It sounds like they're going to be long-time buddies (unless Rogue picks him up off the side of the road or something of the like). Of course, I'll still see the movie, regardless of my expectations. I just hope it doesn't suck.

  • March 4, 2000, 11:48 a.m. CST

    I'd rather see Rocky and Bullwinkle

    by user id indeed!

    After all,which is better:Intentional laughter from a comedy,or UNintentional laughter from an action movie?I mean,who wrote this movie?"Wheels"?Good Lord!That isn't even funny!Good Lord!!!I can't help but think that between Storm's crappy accent/eyes/wig/driving abilities,Mystique's fish-lizard freaky body-paint makeup whatchamadoo,and the apparently retch-inducing writing("Wheels"?!?!),this is gonna be...well,what do I know,anyway?We'll just have to see.Me?I'll be rooting for R&B and Chicken Run.I guess it's just my inner child on the warpath.This has been a Remorseful of Gambit and Pyro's Absence Moment with User ID Indeed!P.S.-Wouldn't Brando make the perfect Mojo?

  • March 4, 2000, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Cowblaster!

    by user id indeed!

    Finally!Somebody else on this site with Juno!I thought I was the only one...sob...so this is what it's like...when doves cry...BTW,great user ID.Mine's better,natch.

  • March 4, 2000, 12:13 p.m. CST

    X-MEN = WRESTLING

    by stitch

    I can't stand action movies anymore. They always end-up looking like them boring "all noise and fury" match-ups during an hour of WWF. Have movies in general stooped to such a low level? Or has pro wrestling caught-up with action movies? I dunno, but I don't like it. Kitchen sink dramas now look cool compare to all this dreck.

  • March 4, 2000, 12:24 p.m. CST

    This might actually be pretty good.

    by Cassius the Evil

    Focusing on Logan's backstory, eh? Sounds cool to me. As long as the action scenes are good and the dialogue is decent, this one's got my eight bucks.

  • March 4, 2000, 12:30 p.m. CST

    This is to all the XMen bashers

    by PezMan

    I dont see why everyone is getting all pissy about this movie before they've seen it. The costumes were, in my opinion, a smart move. Some things from the comic book just wouldnt translate into a movie. The costumes provide a sense of realism. These arent people running around wearing their undies on the wrong side of their pants. They are people who live in a "real" world who are fighting evil, not drag queens with super powers. Also,I for one, do not want to see Ian McKellan wearing bright red spandex. As for the dialog, have you ever actually READ the X-Men comic? Cheesy dialog such as Wolvie calling Professor X "wheels" runs rampant throughout the entire thing. Its a comic book for Chrissakes. These people are drawing from a comic book and trying to make it into a believable story and I think they're doing as good a job as one can hope for. Oh, and another thing, yeah Halle Berry sucks and Angela Basset would have been a crapload better, but one character isnt going to unmake the entire film. People seem to forget how inspired the casting of Patrick Stewart, McKellan and even Hugh Jackman (who came out of nowhere but looks like he kicks ass)was. So stop bitching about the fucking movie, dont let it tank by badmouthing it and when it comes out and you think it sucks, then I'll understand where you're coming from. But basing criticm on a 56 second trailer is just kinda stupid. Cheers!

  • March 4, 2000, 12:46 p.m. CST

    SPOILER??

    by Shempenstein

    C'mon... THIS gets a spoiler warning and the NYU "Mission to Mars" article doesn't?? Granted(from the sound of it) M2M may not be worth seeing, so maybe nothing was actually "spoiled" for us. But still, at least let us know if you are going to give away the entire ending (and the big secret, if you can all it that) of a movie. This little bit of info on X-Men isn't that big of a deal. I mean, it sounds pretty cool, but it doesn't give away a lot. And yet IT gets a Spoiler warning. I don't get it...

  • March 4, 2000, 1:49 p.m. CST

    There's one thing for sure...

    by PipsOrcle

    ...X-Men isn't going to suck like Inspector Gadget the movie!

  • March 4, 2000, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Senator Kelly.... If you want to hear a REAL spoiler, email me.

    by EL Duderino

    Note: I promise that I won't email you back with some gay ass joke like how he gets anal warts from Toad or something like that. What I heard seems pretty valid, though it may not be true. I've seen pictures that could confirm this event too, though they were pretty vague. Oh yeah, the spoiler is probably one of the biggest spoilers in the film, if it is indeed true.

  • March 4, 2000, 4:34 p.m. CST

    jackman's body & other weak things

    by katgyrl.com

    ..."and even Hugh Jackman (who came out of nowhere but looks like he kicks ass)..." *********** are you serious...? this guy is built like an out of work ballet dancer...! he has no bod to speak of whatsoever. you'd think if they're centering this film around wolverine's character they would have gone to more trouble finding someone who looks like him. and no i don't expect them to come up with an actor that's 5'3' & 300 pounds of solid muscle. but any muscle at all would help 8-) jesus murphy LOL!! what a joke. ********** hey stormbringer, big deal when you started reading & collecting. i've got you beat by 10 years but IMO it still sucks shit that they're making such a poor visual effort with this film. i was on the set for a few days back in october & things looked bad then & they seem to be looking worse as time goes by. good thing i won't have to shell out any cash to see this fiasco once it's released. pfft.

  • March 4, 2000, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Punani Patrol wasn't talking about me right...?

    by regulator

    Because that'd be kind of stupid since i made it quite clear that my post was a joke and not my opinion in the least. Oh well. Let's not make a rash judgement. Punani must have just read the subject title and nothing else. I hope...

  • March 4, 2000, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Tornado_Jackson and related whiners

    by saurionalpha

    I thought you guys stopped bothering to bitch about the costumes a yarn ago but obviously that train just goes in a circle and has no caboose. Let me ask you some thing are you color blind or just have REALLY BAD taste. No matter how much you piss and moan I got news for you THEY AIN'T LISTENING the shoots over buddyboy and all your hot air is just adding to the greenhouse effect. GET OVER IT! I like what I've heard Harry, but this just adds weight against Berry's career. I'm actually glad now that she isn't getting that much of a part cause if her accent is as horrid as posted I'm actally afraid to see her scenes. >:P

  • March 4, 2000, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Dailies

    by mrbeaks

    Forming an opinion about a film's quality over some dailies is very tricky (and damn near got Spielberg fired off of JAWS.) Having nothing to go on but the trailer and buzz, we must continue to consider this movie an unknown quantity. BTW, just to let you know how misleading dailies can be (or how lousy my judgment is,) after viewing four hours of RANDOM HEARTS footage over a year ago, I pronounced it a certain blockbuster based on the "chemistry" between Ford and Thomas. I think I might've erred.....

  • March 4, 2000, 8:11 p.m. CST

    But the" X-Men" series IS about racism!

    by Niiiice

    Actually its about xenophobia or basically prejucide in general. People who are somehow different from the rest, in this case its genetic, but it encompasses racial, religious, and physical prejudice. I'm not pulling this out of air, its been one of the central themes of the books since the very beginning. How people react when being discriminated against, i.e. Magneto's homo superior cleansing attitude and Xavier's "can't we all just get along" method. It is an allegory, but somehow "regulator" must have missed all that...

  • March 4, 2000, 8:30 p.m. CST

    re: regulatory

    by Asper1

    Excuse me? You must not read a lot of x-men comic books if you really think storm is the only african american in the team. Just to throw a few names at you, Bishop, Robert Dacosta, Nikki, Synch, danielle... if you're going to call the X-men racist, please have somthing to back it up.

  • March 4, 2000, 9:15 p.m. CST

    This project is very iffy, but has a lot of promise

    by Henry Fool

    Glossing over the above article, this all sounds very cool. I basically liked what I saw from the costumes in the trailer. Its at once more at touch with the original X-Men comic, given that all of the the old 1960's X-Men wore uniforms, and it is also a touch more realistic given that the uniforms don't have the cartoony feel which has botched most live-action adaptions of comic books. It really wasn't until Batman came along, setting the pavement for the whole goth-action movie genre, that costumes became acceptable. Since then, we've seen memorable entries, such as the Crow (which I think is the best film of the genre) and Dark City to terrible films like Spawn and Blade. I hope that X-Men is as heavy on politics and intrigue as it is action. Bryan Singer is very good at suspense thrillers (even Apt Pupil had creepy moments even though the script blew) and such elements would greatly benefit a story like this.

  • March 4, 2000, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Stop your whining. This movie is gonna be good

    by arse-kikr

    I'm going to make it my personal buisness to send an e-mail reading "hahahahahahaha" to everyone out there who said this movie's gonna suck. Because it's like this... Let go of your two dimensional fixation- comic book costumes look fruity in real life- I've been to islands of adventure... Arrgh nevermind. You pesimists suck. This movie's gonna be great

  • March 5, 2000, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Jesus, people really are idiots...

    by regulator

    I swear people. it was a joke. it was a half-hearted spoof on the whole issue earlier this week with the LOTR racism allegory. Shit, i even put that i was just kidding at the end of the post, just in case someone took it seriously. i even posted something in response to the first guy that took it seriously, saying it was a joke AGAIN. Let me set the record straight. I DO NOT THINK X-MEN IS AN ALLEGORY FOR RACISM. TO BE HONEST, I'VE BARELY EVEN READ THE COMIC. IT WAS MEANT AS A JOKE. Please quit taking it seriously.

  • March 5, 2000, 2:54 a.m. CST

    That person Wolvie is jumping on is....

    by lickerish

    a splinter of what once was a woman...a tangled mess of white and vermillion.. turning black and so still..

  • March 5, 2000, 3:26 a.m. CST

    I'm sure glad they didn't even try with Angel or Beast

    by Cowblaster

    Think about it. If they had, it totally would have sucked! Beast; I can see it. Put a guy in a blue monkey suit, no prob. Of course, his face wouldn't be right. You'd have to do more than just glue fur on a guy, or he'd end up looking like the aliens in "Earth Girls Are Easy." He'd also need exagerated limbs, feet and hands. As for Angel, no way they'd make it believeable. I can see an actor with animatronic wings (like they did in "Michael") but they wouldn't be able to make him fly too much. I guess we should be thankful they decided not to go overboard and give us some really lame version of those two. Then, people would REALLY bash on this movie! As for whoever suggested Vin Diesel as Apocolypse. . . not bad. I'd actually like to see that in a sequal!

  • March 5, 2000, 3:36 a.m. CST

    I feel for ya, Regulator

    by Dave_F

    All you were doing was cracking wise about jerk-offs like DMFC who try and read racism into Tolkien's work. Unbeknownst to poor you, the plight of the mutants in the X-Men HAS always been an allegory for racial prejudice, though of course the comic railed AGAINST it. I knew what you meant, but others are easily confused, heh heh. Isn't it funny that Punani Patrol got so outraged over your stated joke? "Moronic numb-nuts"? "Inbred dumbass"? "Suck it"? Obviously not someone who took the themes of the X-Men to heart...

  • March 5, 2000, 5:59 a.m. CST

    One of the X-men shouldn't be driving

    by Jedi 7

    Hello my fellow film freaks. The jedi is back and hopes that a perticlular X-Women (Won't mention any names)needs to learn about how to drive safely in California. Even though I am looking foward to this movie,not as much as SW EPISODE 2', I hope this perticular X-woman does not have any driving or chase scenes in a car she might cause a hit and run. If she happens to be innocent of the charge then my Jedi mind was not clear on the matter. Even the best jedi make mistakes. I would loose points in the Jedi council if Yoda knew that I was speaking of this. May the force be with you....Always.

  • March 5, 2000, 7 a.m. CST

    Stop bashing bashers.

    by Ah ha!

    Why don't you people stop bashing movie bashers. I'm a movie basher, and damn proud of it. I love the false sense of power I get every time I irrationally and illogically destroy someone elses artistic efforts based on speculation and heresay. It's beats trying to do something better myself, and it certainly beats trying to get a life.

  • March 5, 2000, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Here's the truth of the matter

    by Nordling

    First, anybody who has been following this knows that most of the opinions of this film are generally in the "it's gonna suck" mode. I subscribe to this, myself. If these spoilers are true, this moight be better than I thought, but it's got a long way to go to raise my expectations. THIS IS A GOOD THING. Face it, denial-boys - most superhero movies suck. We all know this. None of them get it right. I can't tell you how disappointed I've been in so many of the damn things. Even the first Batman fucked it up. I love Tim Burton as much as anyone, but still, it wasn't right. The only superhero movie that had me really cheering was The Crow. Darkman was awesome as well, and Mystery Men was fun, especially if you grew up on the Wonderfriends and shit like that. But come on. Dick Tracy? The Batman Ad Nauseam movies? Fucking TANK GIRL?!?!? So, lowering my expectations for the X-Men is a good thing, especially if the movie turns out to rock. I mean, that trailer was crap. I only have the brilliant casting of Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen to go by. And the Wolverine line of "Wheels" is EXACTLY something Logan would say, if he didn't know you or like you. These dailies stuff sounds pretty good, and - here's the clincher - haters and lovers alike will be there FIRST DAY, myself included. I know this. I already told my wife that regardless of quality, I'll see it. I'm not as excited about this as I am about Gladiator, but still, it's an icon I grew up with. The truth of the matter is we all would do this project differently if we were given the opportunity. We weren't, therfore we bitch. I've almost written this movie off, but not yet. So, I'll be there opening night, with really low expectations, and I hope to be pleasantly surprised. Anything could happen. See you all there, opening night. Don't even bother lying to me that you're not going to go - you will. You will.

  • March 5, 2000, 8:59 a.m. CST

    At FRIIGGIN LAST SOMEONE IS STICKING UP FOR ME!!!!!!

    by ImALoserBasher

    A big thank you to Ah ha! For finally having the balls to stick up for someone as pathetic and narrow minded as ME! All day long I sit at my comp and bash movies (particularly that X-men one) in the hope that someone will actually listen to my half assed moronic opinion. My typing is always at half speed because I only have one hand free, the other hand is used to flaggelate/flick/pinch and abuse certain parts of my anatomy while spreading my own UN-INFORMED and UNSUBSTANTIATED view of a film,THAT I HAVENT EVEN SEEN!!!!! I'm not really to blame though, I mean I it's not like I've got anything constructive to do, besides I was one of those kids who got beaten up everyday at school and got my milk money stolen by members of the chess team, as you can tell I have a lot of negativity to vent, so I do it by bashing movies. PLEASE HARRY.....PLEASE BAN ME AND OTHERS LIKE ME FROM YOUR BOARD. I AM ONLY A NEGATIVE DICK HEAD WITH NO LIFE AND NOTHING POSITIVE TO CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR BOARD. I know the X-men film will bomb because me and my film bashing buddies will not be going to see it. I guess because I have nothing good to say about the film, that I could just stay away and stop wasting space on your board. But Im too caught up in my own self righteous opinion that I need to tell someone....anyone. Why can't I just get a life and leave my negativity in the toilet , (which happens to be the same place I keep my attitude) OH....A big THANK YOU to all my fellow losers that infest this board.(You know who you are!) Without you I may not have had the courage to crawl out from under my rock and post this to all these "Positive thinking" upstarts. I suppose if the film comes out and it does bomb, Then everybody loses(WONT THAT BE GRAND!!!AT LEAST WE WONT BE LOSERS BY OURSELVES!!!) But if by chance the movie actually does well ,I guess I'll KNOW Im a LOSER and those POSITIVE PEOPLE will again get the better of me. I think when I look at it that way, Maybe I should start spreading something positive about the film instead of bashing it so when it opens it may do well....hmmmmmmm.....Nah!..THIS FILM WILL SUCK. hehe.... But not as much as my ATTITUDE

  • March 5, 2000, 9:33 a.m. CST

    With all these conflicting reports, golly gee, I might have to s

    by smilin'jackruby

    This is getting pretty bad. One day there's something that makes it sound cool, then another day goes by and something makes it sound absolutely wretched. I'm in a dilly of a pickle. My buzz-o-meter is going off the scale. What's a fanboy to do? I need to know if I should tell all my geek friends that, "God, X-Men's gonna suck" or "God, I can't wait to see X-Men, huh" as well as how much sarcasm to put on the second statement so that I can back away from it if the movie really does suck.

  • March 5, 2000, 10:30 a.m. CST

    More Sense Than the Comics?

    by Buzz Maverik

    Other students at Xavier's school? How can that make more sense? Do these people know what goes on there? Uh, no class, those aren't Sentinels crashing into the pep rally and making off with the honors society. No, those aren't unbreakable claws springing out of the hands of the captain of the hockey team.

  • March 5, 2000, 10:35 a.m. CST

    blade was cool

    by soulreefer

    some people keep saying that this is goiong to be some matrix rip off, but have they ever seen blade? that was out before that matrix, and Xmen seems to be much more along the lines of a Blader rip off than a matrix rip off. and Blade was good!

  • March 5, 2000, 11:12 a.m. CST

    This movie is looking better!

    by Ghosts

    Well well, It looks like the movie is gonna be average after all. You cant say that the concept of Wolverine grabbing 'teachers pet' cyclops by the collar does not sound intruging.

  • March 5, 2000, 12:49 p.m. CST

    I KNEW Halle Berry would suck as Storm!

    by sexualchocolate1

    And I knew it all along. First there was that wig in the X-Men costume pic some weeks ago, but I still thought that had nothing to do with Halle's acting ability and that she would still pull it off. Then comes this discription of her accent, now my doubts are complete. But who cares anyway, I bet she'll hardly be in the movie.

  • March 5, 2000, 2:35 p.m. CST

    give it a chance...

    by Magnum PI

    There has been an enormous amount of debate about whether or not the X-Men is going to be a good movie. My post about the dailies was meant to give a little insight about what to expect. My comments about Halle Berry's accent was a comment only on the accent and not her performance as a whole. At this time I don't believe that there is enough information for anyone to give a unbiased opinion about the quality of the film. Making judgements about the entire project based on still photographs of the cast, the trailer,or reports such as mine is a little short-sighted. I myself am not a raving fanboy. I will not like this movie simply because it is an X-Men movie. I will like (or dislike) this movie based on its own merits. Griping about how the costumes are not like in the comics is a waste of time and energy and shows a decided lack of imagination. The X-Men have been favorites of mine for a long time but I realize that what works in the comics doesn't always translate well into a live action tv show or movie. I personally am just hoping for a good, fun movie.

  • March 5, 2000, 2:50 p.m. CST

    this movie _WILL_ suck bigtime

    by anais

    All the tell-tell signs are there: Halle Barry, the costumes, the total (mis)casting, that godawful poster. I'm sure I'll be laughing at all those Singer believers when the movie finally opens, and joins Judge Dred (sp?)in the hall of shame of bad comic adaptations. If the makers were serious about respecting this franchise, they should have hired a damn good animation studio and drawn the movie. Afterall, that is the best way to adapt a comic. The exceptions of Batman is noted of course.

  • March 5, 2000, 2:56 p.m. CST

    sick and tired

    by samuraisix

    I used to (and sometimes still) do bash the X-movie. I got tired of it... it's gonna come out, people will complain, we'll give them our money and they'll still make shitty movies, cause we just paid them. We'll keep paying them, they'll make shit. It's that simple. anyway, our posts will not change the outcome, but it's cool to talk about how pissed you are (or bust on someone who is. Anyway, i suggest that all who are really riled up take a breather, and get the re release of "Transformers: The movie." i realized that it is not only still cool as all get out, but also, the quality of the actual animation rivals today's stuff. "You got the touch...you've got the pow-wwerrrrrr!"

  • March 5, 2000, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Alternate realities

    by StraightEdgeChik

    I think if a person is really a fan of the X-Men then they'll go see this movie anyway. I don't care what anyone says. Just seeing the X-Men on-screen will be amazing. The trailer was great except for Logan's swing around the Statue of Liberty's crown and that's unfinished footage so hopefully they'll make it look more realistic. I wasn't too thrilled with Halle Berry as Storm either. I would have preferred Vanessa Williams who actually has blueish eyes and has a certain regal bearing to her but it's too late to whine about it now. I had a problem with Rogue being young too but I've decided to view the whole thing as an alternate reality version of the X-Men in the same way that the cartoon was and I loved the cartoon. It's the whole reason I started buying comics. And to the people who say Hugh Jackman is too skinny and too tall, what do you want, Danny DeVito?!! Jackman looks great as Logan. I like the costumes too.

  • The whole point of trailers is to make the film appear to be interesting and attract as many audiences into the seats as possible. If a large part of the reaction after seeing the trailer is negative, then there is a problem! Regardless of whether the fanboys will still see this film depspite their bitchings, mainstream audiences will NOT see it if the trailer makes it look retarded. And the majority of the people I know who've seen the preview, the non-comic book reading and the non-film geek people (basically mainstream America) have said it looks retarded. A trailer or teaser is a marketing tool that wants the audience to judge the film, to make a favorable judgement, that's the whole damn point of a teaser, dolts!

  • March 5, 2000, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Hugh Jackman

    by Moron

    I don't care what anyone says, I think Hugh was a good choice for Wolverine. To the people complaining that he's "too skinny", all I have to say is, what the hell?! When woverine fitst joined the X team, he was quite the skrawn. On top of that, all the X cards say he weighs 190 pounds so it would make no sense to go and get a 300 pound actor, would it?

  • March 5, 2000, 7:33 p.m. CST

    About nobody hearing about the X-Men

    by Wham

    That is utter bullshit. I mean sure, it's not like Superman and Batman in that people in their 40's and 50's who aren't comic book fans know them, but the X-Men are huge. How can you even compare Dredd, Mystery Men and Tank Girl to it. X-Men has been a top selling comic book since like the 70's. It's had several BIG video games, a #1 cartoon, characters in trading card games etc...and to top that off, Wolverine is probably the most popular comic book hero right now. You need to look no further than the talk backs to see how interested people are in this film. There will definately be a buzz for this film. I personally GURANTEE this movie tops 100 million. Add to that increased sales for the comic book, and the movie print edition, toys, halloween costumes, posters and all that jazz, makes this Movie to be a very profitable franchise for Fox and Marvel.

  • March 5, 2000, 8:19 p.m. CST

    stormbringer

    by katgyrl.com

    but wolvie was never a 98 pound weakling... he was always older & more beefy than most of the crew even right from the start. that jackman guy is just unacceptable to me so it makes no difference if it's singer's *vision* of the x-men. sometimes some people's interpretations are just wrong, no matter how earnest they are in their execution. singer is a very nice & dedicated person but even so. *********** i'll be happy to write out a synopsis of my time on the set for you when i'm not at work. tomorrow evening some time at the earliest ok... i'd always meant to give harry the details & let him post it but at the time a dear relative died & i had to be out of town for several weeks.

  • March 5, 2000, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Re: About nobody hearing about the X-Men

    by katgyrl.com

    yah that's nonsense... plus people in their 40's & 50's are perfectly aware of the x-men. it was kids 10 or more years older than me (i'm 38 now) that introduced me to the x-men way, way back the first year the comic was in existence. they're not so old they can't remember, even if some don't actively collect any longer. ****** while i have many complaints about this film based on what i've seen & heard so far i still want it to be a success...

  • March 5, 2000, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Leave Hugh Jackman Alone!

    by Cowblaster

    Hey, at least they didn't stick with Dougray Scott! You think Jackman's too tall? Dougray's, like, 6'4" or something and. . . well, he's too "Prince Charming" and not enough "Bad-ass" IF you know what I mean. I've never even heard of Hugh Jackman until this project came along, and I have to say, after seeing him in costume and those promo-shots of his face, I think he just might actually pull it off. Well, maybe. Truth is, I can't say for sure, but all looks promising so far. Sure, he's not 5'3", and he might not be as built, but if he can nail the "don't f**k with me, or I'll rip ya to shreds!" attitude, then I'll be sold!

  • March 5, 2000, 10:45 p.m. CST

    xmen crap

    by meestasparkle

    i for one think the xmen movie is taking far too much crap based on a teaser that did'nt last even a minute..I MEAN COME ON PEOPLE!! Granted, the costumes are a departure from the comics...but this is a good thing...Why you ask?? Because.....would any of you dip-shits that are bashing the film want to go into battle wearing flimsy spandx?? Sure the costumes are not as colorful, or look anything like their comic book counterparts...but each looks better in their respected medium....the new outfits look more like armor..they're padded more realistic...give it a break and respect the attempt they are trying to make with this movie

  • March 6, 2000, 12:37 a.m. CST

    You guys write too much bullshit.

    by Shardik

    The movie's gonna rock ~ That's all there is too it.

  • March 6, 2000, 1:33 a.m. CST

    ahhhhh you people

    by Graboid2624

    all you people saying how this movie will suck... how the costumes aren't right. well i got something to say. there was a other x-menish movie made a long time ago. it only had profecer-x and jubelee(i think) in it + other people but i don't know who they were, if i remember it was about the acadimy. their costumes were not comicy at all. i heard nothing about how bad the costumes were and they were in normal cloths. and if you were to make a movie with people in brite orange and brite yellow wolferine wouldn't be able to jump up and scare anyone becasue the light reflecting off of his costume would be a giveaway. so i like what the director did and gave them more of normalish look. and this new movie looks great anyway it looks.

  • March 6, 2000, 1:41 a.m. CST

    You're Fucking kinding me right?

    by zing79

    I go on vacation for like a month, get back, and to my amazement the trailer is out. I download it, and nearly shit myself with anticipation. I've watched that trailer hundreds of times already, and it's not getting old. I start to search for any info that I can on the movie, and stumble upon this site, and what do I find?, but a bunch of fucking morons bashing this movie to shit, on the basis of the costumes, and some second hand info they managed to get off the net. Give me a fucking break. This movie is in no way going to "suck", and here's a smart reason that I didn't completely pull out of my ass like some people have already done to explain their point of view. Patrick Stewart, and Ian McKellop are in this movie. These are two classically trained actors, who could turn the shit written by a 3 year old into worthy material. Don't forget that Brian Singer is directing this movie either, if he's involved, you can bet that it won't sound like it was written by a 3 year old. He has stated before that he's less interested in presenting a 2 hour comic book, THAT WOULD NOT TRANSLATE WELL ONTO FILM,(don't fool yourself into thinking that it would either, just think of all the previous marvel debacles that have come before us), as he is with presenting a good story. So if your major problem is with the costumes not being exact, or with second hand info on the plot (which Brian Singer is going to have final control over, and he hasn't said a word), or that-God forbid-Halle Berry who is in the supporting cast, has a really crappy accent (thats why the central characters are charles, magneto, and logan), please, by all means, don't go see the movie. You can be one of the very few to say that you sat with your thumb up fucking ass and rotated while this movie was out, because you thought logan didn't look real, and neither did his costume. It's you people that are personaly responsible for the mindless string of crap that has been coming out of Hollywood lately. Studios are less interested in good movies with good plots, than in what their stars look like. If your one of these people, please stay the fuck home, read your X-men comics, while the rest of us go watch a really well made film. As if I haven't made myself clear enough, some of you people are fucking idiots. If you want to critique the movie don't speak as if everyone who is going to watch it is,(insert your name here), exactly like you. This movie will live or die on the reactions of casual movie go'ers, and from the response THESE people are giving out, this movie will do very well. Who knows though, if it does do well, maybe Fox can make a whole bunch of sequels to Fuck up the franchise, in which your costumes are exactly as they should be in your perfect X-universe.

  • March 6, 2000, 5:12 a.m. CST

    ***BIG-ASS X-MEN SPOILER***

    by Darth Philbin

    SPOILER: THIS MOVIE WILL SUCK. NOW GO SELL YOUR COMIC BOOKS, MOVE OUT OF YOUR PARENTS' HOUSES, TAKE A SHOWER, AND GET LAID.

  • March 6, 2000, 5:37 a.m. CST

    Zing - thumbs up

    by Kal

    Zing, your dead right. The original X-costumes on film would look shite, all bright spandexy costumes when translated to live action just look ridiculous. I think this move will work and as you say it is the general movie going public that will decide it's fate, not a bunch of hormonally retarded geeks. This movie has a lot going for it in terms of quality names/stars, however that does not mean it will be a success, but it is a step in the right direction. In addition who cares if it sucks or rocks ? It's a comic-book movie and should be enjoyed in that vein. I hope it has a dark tone with very little humour as humour never really works with superhero movies..SuperMan IV anyone ?. The Crow / Blade are the best examples of this movie genre so far and I also think Batman Returns was a success too because of it's dark theme which the general public find more acceptable that twits running around in their underwear. When a comic/camp element is kept out of these type of movies they can and do work and are far more enjoyable to watch. 'nuff said

  • March 6, 2000, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Good Actors DO NOT = Good Movie

    by takehim2detroit

    OF COURSE the X-men is going to suck. OF COURSE it's going to look nothing like the comic book. So what if Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan are in it? I remember a simliar comics-related turkey with good actors: BATMAN. Even Jack Nicholson couldn't save that piece of junk. And don't get all preachy with "It was a good movie! It was a good movie!" NO, IT WASN'T. What made it seem good was the REST of the Batman series, which sucked beyond all belief. Go to the X-men movie for the popcorn and candy, because that's all you can count on.

  • March 6, 2000, 8:55 a.m. CST

    everyone will pay to see X-MEN

    by PaperDragon

    Most of the people who will see this movie will NOT be comic fans. Fans of drama and great acting will see it because of Stewert and Mckellan. Fans of hot, sexy women will see it because of Rebbecca, Anna, Halle, and Famke. Fans of sexy men will see it because of Hugh, James, and (the older ones) Stewert. Those interested in special fx will see it for the mutant powers. Star Wars/Darth Maul maniacs will see it for Ray Park. Minorities will see it for its anti-prejudice theme. Action/martial arts fans will see it for its fight scenes. I think that about covers it. This movie is a sure-fire hit.

  • March 6, 2000, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Some facts on the Development of Wolvie and Rouge

    by tersia

    katgyrl.com, when he was originally introduced Logan wasn't older than the rest of the group (though he was short...). In fact he was going to be portrayed as the rebelious 20 something (and was for the first few issues after "All new, all different"). In fact it was Nightcrawler who was going to be the older loner character. Then Claremont came in and decided that Nightcrawler would work better as a guy who for the most part got a kick outta being blue and fuzzy and Logan quickly evolved in the an older loner character (all of this is documentented quite well in one of the history's of Marvel Comics). In fact this soft reboot was kinda common for the X-Men at that time. Rouge for instance was introduced in the Brotherhood of Evil mutants as a kinda fat and ugly middle age woman who could steal powers. Claremont then de-aged and prettied her up when she choose to join the team. Given all of these alterations over the years, I have no problem with what they've done for the movie. I think viewing it as an alternate version really is the best way to go. Plus, I do like the more "functional uniformy costumes." It makes the group feel like a strike team (which they are). And besides, everyone knows the X-men fight the best in thier street cloths (which judging from the trailer happens a bit in the movie as well).

  • March 6, 2000, 10:31 a.m. CST

    THE X-MEN movie is NOT, I repeat NOT the X-MEN!!!!

    by slop_reilly

    I am sick and tired of everyone saying that this movie doesn't look bad, "give it a chance." Call it what it is, CRAP!!!! This movie does not resemble the XMEN I grew up on and came to love, from the comics. And I'm not just talking costumes, (though they suck too), I'm talking about the story. For example, since when is Wolverine an Alaskan Hitman, or Jean Grey a scientist. Why do they have to fix what ain't broken. This movie is going to suck. Wolverine looks crappy, and Sabertooth looks like Dee Snider. I'm just waiting for him to bust out of a closet and sing, "We're not going to take it.," Come on People admit it. This movie looks like Garbage. Brian Singer (the director) was quoted as saying that he never read a comic book of the xmen once, but he saw a couple of the cartoons a couple of times. And we all know that cartoon stinks. The offices of Marvel are in panic mode for a reason. I plan to ignore this movie even exists. As for the XMEN...make mine Marvel!!!!

  • March 6, 2000, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Spandex Hell!!!!!!

    by Umbra_D

  • March 6, 2000, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Spandex Hell!!!!!!

    by Umbra_D

    1st N'Bushe Wright would be the best storm. Wolverine's is in the portrayal of his emotion and intensity. His complexities are only shown in contrast to his obvious salt-of-the-earth demenor.*****Now on to the real rant! Who in the heck said that a more comic approach to the costumes would be had to be made of spandex? A talented and creative costume designer could do alot with any number of fabrics. Stop limiting your thoughts. Ever heard of neoprene, colored leather. Hell, it wouldn't even take 2 minutes of the movie to explain that the X-men's suites are made of unstable molecules, that Proffesor X gets from his friend Reed "Mr. Fantastic" Richards. I mean God forbid that a marvel movie actually make reference to or acknowlege the rest of the Mighty "Marvel" Univers.

  • March 6, 2000, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Thank GOD Singer didn't take any of your advice!

    by superninja

    If he had, we'd have an hour and a half of bright colors and bad dialogue with lots and lots of "COOL" special effects. Save yourself the trouble of seeing this film, and go rent Armageddon again. Halle Berry's wig will not make or break this film. Neither will her accent, unless you have some kind of bizarro Storm fetish. What will make or break this film is the quality of the story, the direction and the acting. We know what these actors are capable of. We know what Mr. Singer is capable of. The story could go either way, but from what I've heard, it fits right in with the X-Men canon. This project could be a hit or miss, but at LEAST SINGER IS TRYING SOMETHING DIFFERENT!!! It's a small step towards making a REAL comic2film picture, and not a direct translation, which with the exception of Miller's work and a few others, would surely SUCK.

  • March 6, 2000, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Hugh Jackman is the hottest thing about this film.

    by superninja

    We'll see what happens once he opens his mouth, but based on appearance alone, I couldn't be any happier. Wolverine is portrayed differently depending on the artist. For all of you who b!tch about his appearance, read MELTDOWN. It's the most realistic portrayal of Logan to date. Personally, as I get old, I get tired of all this bulging muscle, big titty crap. I want them to look like real people.

  • March 6, 2000, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Superninja, you wisely bring up MELTDOWN again.

    by Dave_F

    For those who think Wolverine must be insanely buff to be intimidating, I seriously suggest you check out the MELTDOWN miniseries Superninja recommends. Wolverine, who's not even a personal favorite of mine, comes across as the ultimate bad-ass motherfucker of all time, and yet he just looks like this total slob! No muscle tone, and he all but sports a beer gut...but he's portrayed in such a way that you would *never, ever* mess with this guy. Alternate visual interpretations can be completely valid, and any comics fan who's seen a title pass through multiple creators should've realized that by now. I mean, BATMAN: YEAR ONE is probably about the most universally acclaimed Batman story ever, yet Mazzuchelli portrayed Batman with little to no exaggeration - he looked like a real man with an athletic build wearing a costume! Did you think he was a wuss in that? I didn't think so. I've championed the cause of translating superhero costumes realistically, but every movie must determine what's appropriate on an individual basis. Spider-Man and, say, the Fantastic Four, must be given a grandiose comic-booky treatment I say, but the X-Men might just be best served by this realistic treatment. The dogmatic bashers are giving true comic fans a bad name. Quit it.

  • March 6, 2000, 3:35 p.m. CST

    STOP YA BITCHIN!

    by MECHANT

    Cristsakes! spare a tought for all us dudes over in London that aint gonna see this shit for months! i cant wait for this film! but what i can do with out is all thease gimps judgeing a film on a TRAILER!? get a grip! i think this film will jump up and bite you (and the critics that will jump all over it when it comes out) in the ass.

  • March 6, 2000, 3:50 p.m. CST

    This is what AICN the joke of the net

    by saurionalpha

    Darth Philbin Subject: ***BIG-ASS X-MEN SPOILER*** Comment: SPOILER: THIS MOVIE WILL SUCK. NOW GO SELL YOUR COMIC BOOKS, MOVE OUT OF YOUR PARENTS' HOUSES, TAKE A SHOWER, AND GET LAID I'm ok about bashing but why don't you try some of your own advice. I'll accept contructive critisism but is beyond pathetic, you tell us to get a life yet your going out of your way to yell at us. HA! You know it's things like this that have made this place a laughing stock on every single message board and chat room I've been to. And try and tell me Ah ha! and IamALoserBasher aren't the same person

  • March 6, 2000, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Stop the Halle Bashing!

    by Playhouse

    How do you know? Have you seen he film? How do you know she sucks in it? Based on those few shots in the teaser? Based on what this guy SAID he saw of the dailies. No one knows her complete story arc yet. She might just well surprise you. I think they are going for a young inexperienced Storm who comes into her own. Doesn't anyone remember in the comics that Storm didn't become her badass leader self until she lost her powers and had to assume control of the team. Then she proved herself. I want to see what type of arc they have in store for her. And we all should before we keep bashing her. Geez!

  • March 6, 2000, 6:30 p.m. CST

    My opinion

    by doppleganger

    When I went to see the movie, Pitch Black, I missed about 2 1/2 min. of previews. Luckily, I didn't miss much of the X-men's previews. But when I did see it and realized what it was I was sadly dissapointed. it looked really cheezy. But I am such a fan that no matter what it is like I will go watch it.

  • March 6, 2000, 6:37 p.m. CST

    The Senator Kelly Spoiler is truly official, if you want to find

    by EL Duderino

    I won't tell you where to look because that may even spoil it. This site was e-mailed to me earlier today.

  • March 6, 2000, 9:52 p.m. CST

    wher is the trailer

    by arnnie1

    Can anyone tell me where I can link up to see the trailer????

  • March 6, 2000, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Oh Lord....

    by WolfKnight

    This is pathetic. Everyone tossing opinions about like they are paper airplanes. Wait until the movie comes out, pay your $10.50 for a ticket and popcorn, sit down, THEN shred it. All I have said has been that I don't like the costumes, and I would like something a little truer to the appearance of the books. That's all. Not exactly like them, just a little bit closer, rather than a total overhaul to an established story. They tried it with Wing Commander, and that movie SUCKED. Keeping a few core elements doesn't make for a good story when dealing with an established set of characters, and YEARS worth of history. Appealing to an audience is one thing, but to totally disregard the established fan base is shooting yourself in the foot. My point is this. Will the movie suck? I don't know, I haven't seen it. Past history has shown us that comic-film translations have not gone over well (Tank Girl, Spawn, and Steel, to name a few), but there are exceptions (Superman, Batman, and Men In Black). It's a risky thing to translate something, because you need to appeal to a whole new audience, but still keep the old one happy. That is really all I think I need to say, and that's all anyone should really say. All of you seem to need to step away from the keyboards and mice for a few minutes, take a deep breath, and get some fresh air. Insulting those who are on a message board, whom you will most likely NEVER meet, will do nothing but raise blood pressures, and burst tiny capilaries in your brains. Relax, see the movie, then rip to your little heart's content. Feel free to e-mail responses to me, even thiough I know those of you who really need to relax will just post random ramblings on this board. Have a mutant-free, in the real world where people do not wear skintight leather suits in public, kinda day.

  • March 7, 2000, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Get over yourselves...

    by DMBfan0521

    As a longtime fan and collector of the X-Men comic book series, and others, for that matter, I'd like to say how tired I am of comic book adaptations getting bashed to the ground before they are even released. Now, granted, I agree that garbage like Tank Girl, the Batman series (yes, even the first one sucked), Judge Dredd, Steel, the Incredible Hulk movies (with that stupid black-clad Daredevil) were all mistakes. But the thing is, why do people keep bringing these wastes of film into topics of conversation involving upcoming projects? "X-Men is gonna suck because Marvel has never made a good comic movie before..." So what? What has that got to do with movies that aren't even finished yet? Want to know why most comic book movies bomb? Because the people who make the movies, DO NOT MAKE COMIC BOOKS. They are in the business of making movies. Now, sometimes these movie-makers dump what fans love about the comic for what they think will appeal to movie-goers. Generally, movies are a couple hours long. How in the world are they going to please everyone and put in 30 years worth of comic history into a 2 hour movie? There's no way. Think about it. The X-Men have been around in comic form since 1963. That's 37 years of comic history, different interpretations, and creative changes. If only I had a nickel for everytime I've heard, "Why didn't they do the first one with the original X-Men, then bring in Wolverine and the others in sequels?" Want to know why? Because Wolverine is the most recognized and the most popular X-Man. Why wouldn't they use him in this movie? And for those of you who keep griping about the absence of Gambit, Beast, Nightcrawler, etc... Get over it. There will be time for that in sequels, hoping that the first one will be smashing enough to warrant a franchise. And I know everyone likes to speculate on casting, and that's fine, but don't bash actors whom you haven't even seen portraying these characters until you've actually witnessed them using fake accents. Frankly, I have never heard of Hugh Jackman, and I've never seen him other than in pictures and the trailer. But in my opinion, he looks awesome as Logan. Logan is a bad-ass, pure and simple, who is extremely fierce, extremely deadly, yet extremely loyal to his teammates. This has nothing to do with whether or not he is 5'3" 300 lbs. of solid muscle. If Jackman can make me believe Logan's ferocity, then I'm sold. As far as Xavier and Magneto go, I'm already sold on Stewart and McKellan. Not only are these established, talented actors, but they make me believe that these characters have actually come to life. Toad and Mystique? These are minor, supporting characters. I have not seen Park or Romijn-Stamos in these roles, but they do not carry the weight that the main characters do. They do not deserve to be bashed when there is no frame of reference. Cyclops? I like the casting, Marsden looks every bit the "boy scout, following the book, and never questioning his leader, Xavier." Only time will tell if Fammke Jannsen "is" Jean Grey...that remains to be seen. As for Rogue, in the comics, when she joined the team she WAS young, vulnerable, and frightened. I like this portrayal. I gives Singer room to expand her character and make her believable further down the road. And as for Halle Berry and her "horrible wig," this is not the casting that I would have gone with, but, again, we have not seen enough of her to make a reasonable judgement. I won't even get into the subject of the costumes, it would be like beating a dead horse. Everything's been said. Some of it's been intelligent, while some of it has been the angry ramblings of a person who has to be negative online, to make up for his/her shortcomings in life. I like the costumes, I think they will translate onto the screen much better than the comic ones, and I personally always liked Logan better without his mask. I apologize for my long-windedness, but I am sick and tired of angry people making snap judgements and ruining what would otherwise be an exciting time for fans of X-Men, and comic books in general. I do not believe this movie will "suck, bomb, or be crappy" as many of you seem to think it will. I think that as long as it bears no resemblance to the X-Men cartoons (ugh) and the Generation X movie from a couple of years back (horrible) then it will be a success. In My mind, the fact that this movie is even being made thus far is a success. We've been waiting for this movie for almost 3 decades. So put aside your petty whining and incessant bitching. If you think you can do it better (and just about everyone does; everyone has their own interpretations) then move out to Hollywood, get into the business, and show them how it's done, instead of bitching and moaning in TalkBacks. Frankly, I don't give a damn what anyone thinks anymore, I'm taking July 14 off work and I'm sitting my happy-mutant-loving-ass in the theatre and watching X-Men: The Movie as many times as I can. And until people realize that bright yellow and blue costumes do not translate onto film -- Make Mine Marvel! DMBfan0521

  • March 7, 2000, 12:45 a.m. CST

    How can some of you call yourself fans???

    by Dark Soul

    It seems everything I read on any of the boards for X-Men is bad.Only a few seem to be true fans or will give the movie a chance.1 the outfits even change in the comics.Look at the mask of Logan/Wolverine first outfit or Storm in her days with a mohawk.2 Storm's hair looks like wig because of the bangs.3 when the movie comes out and you still want to b*tch, fine by me.As for me, already have a space cleared in my video collection for it. P.S. I'm also looking for the video of Vampirella (and yes, heard it's bad but just to have with the rest of my collection).

  • March 7, 2000, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Another Useless Rant

    by Cowblaster

    When I first saw the sketch of Cyclops' costume, I hated it. But, after actually seeing it and the rest of 'em, I'm starting to ease-up a bit. I think they look neat, keeping with the X-men's on-again, off-agian uniform rule. Maybe in a sequal, they can all wear different stuff. After all, their costumes do change regularly. As for the rest of the cast? For one, I think it would have been better if Mystique wore some skant outfit over her blue skin, not just to conform to the comics, but because the idea of a naked blue fish lady kinda bothers me. Don't get me wrong, I like naked chicks as much as the next fella. But, come on. On the other hand, it IS a unique twist on her character. . . especially if she's a shape-shifter. Toad's outfit? Reminds me of a bum living on the street. To be honest, I have never even seen a story with Toad in it, and can not make any comparassons to his comic book counterpart. I can see why they didn't stick with his Jester's outfit. It would have been just plain silly! It really depends on how they build the character in the movie in order to relate to his clothing scheme. Now, I really don't like Magneto's costume. They should have made something similar to the comic book, I think. And no, Magneto does not wear spandex in the comics. A true X-Fan knows that the Master of Magnetism wears a metal-like armor (kinda like chain mail). They could have used the same material as his helmet. Think about it. A magnetic outfit that enables him to levitate himself. Plus, give it a slight build, and it would've looked pretty cool! It doesn't have to be flashy, just something eye-grabbing in some way. But, it's too late now and we'll just have to wait until the movie comes out in order to really pass judgment. I for one will be standing in line opening day. Even if it does suck, I'll see it again just to cover all the stuff I missed the first time. Why? Because I for one have been waiting a long time for them to make a movie about the X-Men and would love to know how well they can pull it off. . . or how badly it burns the franchise to the ground.

  • March 7, 2000, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Concerning Storm

    by Umbra_D

    Playhouse do you believe that Halle has EVER displayed the serenity, regality, quiet, self-sufficiency that even the young storm possesed? Remember when Xavier first approached Storm she was praised and worshipped as a Goddess. Yes I think that Halle was a bad casting choice for Storm. However I'm not counting her out. I'm just extremely doubtfull.******Does's anybody remember that Storm was born in Jamaica Queens N.Y.?

  • March 8, 2000, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Kal, Im happy you see the light too

    by zing79

    Man, I wish their were more fans out there like you. Some of the stuff I read on this site just pisses me off. I don't hate anyones point of view, I only get pissed when they use stupid ass arguments to support that view, and I have yet to read ONE post that has any valid points to support the "its going to suck" comment. I CHALLENGE anyone out there dumping on this film, to come up with the basic plot points of this movie if they were making it. Lets see what your amazing X-Mind can come up with, but be prepared, 'cause I'll turn on you like a rabid dog if that stuff sucks. That way you can see what it feels like, to have someone you don't even know blast your movie without ever laying eyes on it. Don't forget though, only write the BASIC plot points, that way everyone will know just as much about your version of the movie as you do about Singers.

  • March 8, 2000, 2:09 a.m. CST

    If you hate the costumes READ THIS!

    by zing79

    No I'm not on your side, I just wanted to point something out to you. The costume wolverine is using in the movie is not that far off from a costume HE HAS WORN BEFORE. Don't believe me? Well go back to the weapon x 4 part comic. His costume was dark blue/black with solid red stripes on it (no head gear). His costume in the movie: black with yellow outlines (still no head gear). I don't think I have to mention the fact that most liked that look on him. His movie look is nothing more than an artists interpretation away from being seen in a comic. So maybe you should start looking for better arguments to bash this movie, don't you think?

  • March 8, 2000, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Re: stormbringer

    by katgyrl.com

    stormbringer i'm going to email you at vishnudestroyer@hotmail.com & share my x-men movie set story with you that way, instead of here. if it's not a real email address mail me at mine with one i can contact you at.

  • March 9, 2000, 12:55 p.m. CST

    This one goes out to ImALoserBasher!

    by zing79

    Lets see. The reason I got REALLY pissed at the bashers of this movie was because they used no actual argument to rip it. Then you come along with this "thank you for supporting my moronic point of view" post. I guess I can thank you and your supporter for proving what I've been saying all along; The people bashing this movie are serious idiots, who lack the brain capacity to actually substanciate an argument. Watch out everyone, ImALoserBasher just converted another dumbass, he's about 10 away from forming a cult. Seriously though, would it kill you to actually try and support your argument. I don't really give a shit if you are a loser or a basher, but I will destroy you for not using one small fraction of your brain to make a point. You shouldnt be to exited about getting a little support though, it still doesnt change the fact your being a moron.

  • March 11, 2000, 7:21 p.m. CST

    I dont care if the x-men movie suks

    by ThE EtRnL CaEsAr

    i havent been reading x-men comic books for over five years. the reason why is that i grew up, but since i heard that the movie was coming out in july iv started regressing and buying the comic books. iv been waiting for this movie my whole life and i really dont care if it does suck or not or what other people say about it. i saw the trailer and I AM GOING TO WATCH THIS MOVIE! further more iv been "Preaching" to my friends and other people to watch it too. I beleive that "x-men the movie" is going to be a big hit and that there will be sequals to it.

  • March 12, 2000, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Stop complaining...

    by Ger

    First of all, I think Iman (wife of David Bowie, alien shape-changer in Star-Trek: the Undiscovered Country, egyptian queen in a Michael Jackson video) would have made the most incredible Storm. She has a perfect accent, is VERY tall and looks right with long hair. I love Halle Berry and think she is literally one of the most beautiful women in the world and I will give her a chance in this role, but I would have loved to see Iman do Storm, my favorite comic heroine of all-time. As for all the complainers... When I first heard the comment that Rebecca Romain-Stamos made about how "internet fanboy geeks need to get a life" because they are complaining about how the movie is not like the book and the costumes look crappy and all that... it really pissed me off. I could not believe she made such an outrageous comment about the people who are going to end up seeing her movie. Then I came on here and experienced what she was talking about, and you know what... SHE WAS RIGHT. I've been reading X-men for more than 15 years and I have been disappointed by cartoons and certain storylines-writers-artists on the books but I never cried about it like some of you people are. AND THE FREAKIN' MOVIE ISN'T EVEN OUT YET! She's right, some of you guys are just plain PATHETIC.

  • March 12, 2000, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Chill and wait-- then judge...

    by Hypestyle

    I would have preferred for Storm to have more african-styled hair-- some braids would have been more appropriate than her straight do..

  • March 13, 2000, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Hey zing79

    by Ger

    When I read ImaLoserBasher's post up above... I got the feeling that he was being sarcastic. I thought that he was really making fun of and ridiculing all the complainers on the board. I may be wrong, but if he was being serious then he really is a complete moron.