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Disney's DINOSAUR Trailer Posted
Howdy again, folks, El Cosmico here with more fun over at the Apple Quicktime movie trailers site, they just posted the trailer for Disney's upcoming (May 19) flick, DINOSAUR. Go check it out over at:
http://www.apple.com/trailers/disney/dinosaur/
I don't know about you folks, but I think this is gonna be one heck of an excellent flick. Lovemonkey comments aside, this is nothing less than incredible, groundbreaking animation work. Check it out and posta da feeedbeck.
Thanks again, buddy.
El Cosmico
mail me at:elcosmico@austin.rr.com
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Only happy campers here...
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Out of all the movies coming out this summer (none of which look very appealing, quite frankly) I have to say that I'm least excited about this one. The trailer looked unimpressive and was filled with over the top, sentimental garbage. Why would anyone care about this movie?
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I haven't seen the new trailer but but I did see clips of it on tv last night. I was disappointed to see that the dinosaurs talk. I guess you have to expect that from Disney though. The teaser trailer was wonderful because it looked beautiful and the damn dinos did not talk. Wouldn't it be quite an accomplishment to make a movie with no dialouge. That would be absoultely groundbreaking for a Disney film. Oh well. DISNEY SUCKS!
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Sorry, guys. I know lots of you will have problems with dinos talking, and I agree it would be nice to see Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, 65Mill BC Edition. But that's not what would sell tickets for millions of kids. Disney is not interested in making geeks drool, though that's a nice side-benefit. They're interested in entertaining kids like my 6-yr old son. And they do it very well. When you get the DVD next year, you can turn the sound off... or maybe turn off the dialogue track...
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This movie LOOKS awesome but the story seems LAME-O. It basically seems like they've re-done the lion king with dinosaurs and cg, but not created any better ideas for a story. Seeing the chixilub impact in CG will be cool, though.
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Out of all the movies coming out this summer ( some of which look very appealing, quite frankly ) I have to say that I'm most excited about this one. The trailer looks impressive and was filled with top animation talent. I care about this movie.
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From the beginning, Disney has created stories that are often told by the human-like characterizations of animals, tea pots, or trees. You can't fault them for going along with their method of storytelling which is hugely successful and reliable. A movie like this costs them mega-bucks and who else has the pockets, the talent pool, and decades of experience to bring such an amazing spectacle of animation to the screen. To gamble on a narrative style other than talking dinosaurs would be admirable, but bordering on self destructive financially. Disney is a business first. They've got to feed the machine to continue getting movies like this made. Movies like this are considered milestones, in that they lay new ground for things to come (i.e. a non-speaking dinosaur movie ala Discovery chanel). Be patient.
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The initial teaser which ran before "Toy Story 2" was breathtaking, but only gave a glimpse at what was in store. This trailer pulls out all the stops and shows us what a stunning acheivement this will be. While the story seems to be cookie-cutter Disney, the visual style and animation are so amazing, I think I can overlook it. Wow! This summer looks like it's going to ROCK multiplexes the world over. Wake me when it's Memorial Day.
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Scratch that...Wake me next Friday when M2M opens.
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Looks like a recycled version of the Lion King. Well, most Disney animation-based films are 13th generation rehash anyway. Neat-o animation, though.
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....but I still have no interest in this movie.
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...could probably piss forever! Jeez, what I wouldn't give for a time machine and a good video camera! Holy-moley, can you imagine sneaking up on a Brontosaurus or a T-Rex while they're lifting their legs and marking territory with a forever stream of hot pee? Maybe stick a jar in the stream and get me a sample! I'd come home, sell the video to the networks, then put the jar of dino-piss right up next to my three prized possessions: urine samples from Robert Downey Jr., Charles Bukowski and Dean Martin. This fantasy's got me so excited I've gotta go take a whiz
now. Damn, where's Kip Thorne when you need him?
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Oh my god this movie is gunna suck. Can't you peple see, the sole reason this movie was made is because of Disneys animal kingdom. they needed a movie to tie into that aweful dinosaur ride. cmon people, when may 19th rolls around and all you fan boys are crying cause memorial day has let you down again, ill be laughing cause i still have my 8 bucks and you dont.
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HAzzah! Another winner of a quote to put on those movie slide shows! way to go disney! right up there with "im gunna be the best ape ever"
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If they really needed verbal communication, it should've been grunts & whistles with subtitles.
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Disney puts a lot of funds into their pics, so we can count on them to be nothing more than pleasing eye candy. Disney be damned if they do anything that could put them in a financially risky position, such as tell a great story the way it was meant to be told. Basically, there's no point for these CGI photorealistic dinosaurs (and to whoever used to say that it would make Jurassic Park look fake, I don't think these CGI are as realistic) if they'll be talking, so the CGI is nothing more than a high priced gimmick to garner praise from parents and basically an excuse to rehash tired storylines. GIVE ME LAND BEFORE TIME PART 7: THE MUSICAL EVOLUTION ANYDAY!!!!!!!!
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Children have ruined animation in this country. Or, perhaps, not the kids themselves, but our syrupy, overly-sentimental interpretations of what childhood is. Man, when I was a kid I hated wacky little talking animal sidekicks and I especially loathed those boring and interminable musical numbers. Even as single-digit midgets, my friends and I liked horror, gore, darkness and kick-ass action! I think parents underestimate both the intelligence and sensibilities of their precious little "babies." And in doing so they've assisted Disney in suffocating animation in our country for decades. This should be the century when animation finally breaks out of that stifling straightjacket known as the "Disney Formula." Let's hope Disney and their supporters take a lesson from "Dinosuars" and end up extinct real soon, their skilled animators finally free to disperse and bring their considerable talents to worthier and sharper-edged films.
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...but this looks pretty freakin' cool. SM{;-0
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Speaking of animation...since when does Harry eat his own mucus. The Harry charicature at the top of the page seems to love the stuff. Maybe i just never noticed before.
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...that Dinosaurs DIDN'T talk ? hmmm? Been there/then have you? SM{;-0
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BOOGER EATING SPAZ(?)a la Bad News Bears? (Anohter great movie that you dinks don't like I'm sure)SM{;-0
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Mar 03, 2000 2:39:59 PM CST
"All those things I can do...all those powers...and I couldn't e
by dave_f
That's the line from SUPERMAN, spoken as Clark Kents attends his father's funeral, that comes to mind as I watch this trailer. Re-interpreted for the situation: "All that great animation...all those special effects...and they can't even do anything creative." God, what derivative dreck this looks to be. Niiice, you called it right on target - given the talking dinosaurs, the realistic CGI is little more than a deplorable marketing gimmick for a re-hash of THE LION KING. N.Adame, I have to disagree that we shouldn't be upset with Disney for this latest creative bankruptcy. FANTASIA, THE JUNGLE BOOK, even BEAUTY & THE BEAST were all amazingly creative works - that Disney is a business doesn't mean they can't show a little artistic daring as they've done in the past. Parents, I know Disney videotapes are your favorite babysitters (every one's a certified Classic, yes, even THE BLACK CAULDRON, and your life isn't complete until you own THE WHOLE LIBRARY OF DISNEY CLASSICS, pure gold baby!), but why not ask Disney to babysit your kids with some slightly more original stories? The kids deserve better.
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Disney put out an animated movie with dialogue? For shame! You guys must have hated...um...every other film in the world then. What idiots. Talk about criticizing Disney just to criticize. And according to Weasel, intelligent kids like horror, gore, and kickass? Frankly, I'm glad smarter, more talented filmmakers actually want to make GOOD films and don't listent to more neanderthal movie-goers out there. Disney makes the films it makes. If this movie came out of any other studio, you'd be lauding it's daring and originality. The story may be derivitave, but JESUS, so is the Matrix (in fact, the Matrix wins a prize in the number of movies it has ripped off) but that doesn't make it bad. This movie will make a crapload of dough, which should make up for the loud THUD of M2M.
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Got it. Yeah, this thing looks pretty, but all the computer animation in the world can't save Disney's stable of tired stock characters. Some people think that this movie is a rip-off of "The Land Before Time"; it looks more to me like "The Lion King". Self-plagiarism is one of Disney's hallmarks, after all.
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For the video release of "Tarzan" there was a long, extended trailer of DINOSAUR that looked like the first 15 or so minutes of the movie. It seemed to rip off, almost shot-by-shot, the beginning of Don Bluth's THE LAND BEFORE TIME, complete with the dinosaur egg traveling in a stream. This is the complaint of many a Disney animation fan put in an extreme: all beauty, little orginal writing. I know Disney is derivative in it movies, but this time such shameless robbery of another movie's imagery cannot be ignored. For me this is extactly like the LION KING/KIMBA THE WHITE LION fiasco.
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I'm sorry, Moze, but I just don't think of myself as a Neanderthalic moviegoer (either then or now). Unfortunately, my railing against Disney is often grossly misinterpreted by my fellow talk-backers. I don't bash Disney just for the sake of bashing or out of some rampant mean-spiritedness. Indeed, there is a huge niche for kid-oriented animation and I salute Disney(or anyone else for that matter) for exploiting it. The reason I come down so hard on the "Mousketeers' however," is because they've poisoned the collective mind of America to concepts like "animation for adults." With their tried-and-true grind 'em out formula, Disney
has become a kind of monolithic religion that everyone worships.
Anyone who dares to dissent is labelled a heretic and either ignored to extinction or burned at the stake. I truly believe that IRON GIANT died at the box office because it didn't adhere to The Formula (though the fact that Warner Bros. left it to expire like an illegitimate newborn in a dumpster didn't help much). I don't advocate taking one's five-year old to see some blood-splattered horror flick where nubile teenage girls are butchered by the gross, but I'm equally aghast when I see young kids taken to dreck like "Snow Day" or, even worse, the treacly, soft-edged hugfests that characterize most Disney cartoons.
Family Values? (Gag)
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Am I the only one who doesn't think that DINOSAUR's CGI is groundbreaking? I remember reading someone say that the creatures aren't rendered as well as those in Jurassic Park, but that's it. No one saying "Dude, what the hell has all these people pissing their pants? Jurassic Park had better dinos and that was seven years ago!"
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Get with the times! It was the library of Disney CLASSICS ten years ago; now it's the library of Disney MASTERPIECES. Or the "Masterpiece Collection", or something like that. Yep, it seems that several years ago, Mike Eisner woke up one morning and realized that every single film that the Disney studio ever made in its 75-year history was a five-star, certified Masterpiece, so he called up Distribution and had them relabel those "Disney Classics" tapes as "THE MASTERPIECE COLLECTION." This included such sterling cinematic gems as "The Aristocats", "Pocahontas", and "Pete's Dragon". In fact, Eisner's powers of clairvoyance are such that, within six months of any given movie's release, he can look down the years and tell that this brand-new movie is, indeed, another Masterpiece. So since "Dinosaur" is predestined to be a Masterpiece, who are we to criticize it?
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Y'know, the MATRIX was derivative of a lot of stuff, but it was also unique in many ways. I mean, when was the last time you saw a science-fiction martial arts movie? Or a martial arts movie with *any* story of note? Maybe you'll find them in anime and such, but it's new territory for Western action films, and that's one of the reasons I and many others enjoyed it so much. MATRIX was also a single movie (or trilogy at most), whereas Disney has been recycling their formula endlessly. Besides, from an aesthetic point of view, when did the fact that one movie is derivative make it acceptable for other movies to be the same? Commercially, Disney is brilliant, technically they're brilliant, but artistically they only spike occasionally. I personally like many of Disney's films - even TARZAN, with its uninspired moments and many concessions to mainstream lowbrow humor, had some really fine moments. But in the end, it didn't stand on its own as, say, THE IRON GIANT did. Disney has the might to push the boundaries of animated storytelling, even if it's just small steps, like Don Bluth's brilliantly song-less SECRET OF NIMH. Don't you think a little more creativity might be a good thing? Don't you think kids should get more than recycled plots, recycled musical numbers, and recycled animal sidekicks?
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Precious Lemur Island, repository of fuzzy, loveable critters, and early haven of our 'Dinosaur' protagonist, all hail your clever and revolutionary creation! Never again shall the possibility of 2 hours without a single cute, furry mammal creature threaten a Disney film, even one set millions of years before mammals grew beyond the cuddly coefficient of an armadillo or the size of a shrew. And when our hero bonds with his misfit outcast friends, returns to the herd, overcomes its brutish leader, and leads them all to victorious safety, we will know that the lessons forged in the trials of Lemur Island have not gone to waste. Now get out there and start buying toys.
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Disney does not need a CGI flick with talking dinosaurs. To anyone who thinks a DISNEY movie without any talking critters wouldn't sell, when was the last time you looked at the Disney marketing machine? They could keep it realistic, tell a fantastic story about the extinction of the dinosaurs, and not have a single talking critter then sell the images to Burger King, 1000s of toys to TRU, and put the trailers on every video release and they'll get the kiddies to come. Kids love dinosaurs - in fact, kids love scary, realistic dinos - I know I did when I was a youngun. And, you know, in the long run, making these dinos talk is kinda sick given that they're all gonna die in the end. At least I can say this: I'll see it anyway since the CGI looks great and seeing the disaster on screen would be cool - plus it doesn't look like it has any songs (I agree with the other talkbacker who said he hated the songs in Disney films as a kid - that was me too in a big way). Oh - also, I don't see much Lion King in it at all... Can someone explain the connection? Lost egg, hatches and brought up by mammals (I guess), and then the world ends but they stand up to the t-rex (or something) in the end. Sounds like Land Before Time to me (lost children dinos coming together, big disaster, big t-rex, etc).
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I saw the advert when i went to see Toy Story 2 & was literally blown away by the cgi. I looked around in the cinema & no one could keep their eyes off the screen. I mean, did you see the sweat running off one of the legs of a dinosaur! This movie will rock, Disney shoots again & scores!
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I agree that adult animation usually has a hard time finding an audience, but I believe that the fault lies with the generally poor quality of those films and not with Disney. Name an animated film for adults that was actually any good. Not Heavy Metal, not Cool World, not Wizards, possibly Rock and Rule. Only Disney could make tight narration and solid story-telling actually seem formulaic - and rarely do I see the accusation of stealing leveled at ANY other popular films (see my above comments about the Matrix). As for Iron Giant, WB dropped the ball on that one, an excellent and beautifully animated film. No explanation for it. It was marketed poorly, but the exact kind of marketing that "fans" have recommended is that same kind of marketing that they bash Disney for when Disney does it - tie-ins and huge promotional pushes. A final word, you can take your chances and stray from tried-and-true story structure and relatable characters, but you take the chance of alienating your audience by not giving them what they want. That's not pandering, it's just the way dramatic structure works. And Disney's (as well as every other major studio, live-action or not) adherence to that method works, whether a small minority of nay-sayers likes it or not.
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I agree that adult animation usually has a hard time finding an audience, but I believe that the fault lies with the generally poor quality of those films and not with Disney. Name an animated film for adults that was actually any good. Not Heavy Metal, not Cool World, not Wizards, possibly Rock and Rule. Only Disney could make tight narration and solid story-telling actually seem formulaic - and rarely do I see the accusation of stealing leveled at ANY other popular films (see my above comments about the Matrix). As for Iron Giant, WB dropped the ball on that one, an excellent and beautifully animated film. No explanation for it. It was marketed poorly, but the exact kind of marketing that "fans" have recommended is that same kind of marketing that they bash Disney for when Disney does it - tie-ins and huge promotional pushes. A final word, you can take your chances and stray from tried-and-true story structure and relatable characters, but you take the chance of alienating your audience by not giving them what they want. That's not pandering, it's just the way dramatic structure works. And Disney's (as well as every other major studio, live-action or not) adherence to that method works, whether a small minority of nay-sayers likes it or not.
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Mar 03, 2000 7:52:42 PM CST
Adult animation...and I'm not talking Heavy Metal and Hentai gar
by dave_f
Mozeman, one thing I do agree with you on is the fact that most animation that shoots for a teen or adult audience fails due to poor quality. As for exceptions to the rule, a can think of only a few: WATERSHIP DOWN, LORD OF THE RINGS, THE HOBBIT & RETURN OF THE KING, and maybe the French flick, FANTASTIC PLANET (saw the first half hour of it a week or two back - clunky animation, but great conceptual stuff and a potentially interesting story). Of course, I'd add the entire body of Miyazaki's work, notably such teens-and-up movies as PORCO ROSSO, NAUSICAA, and PRINCESS MONONOKE. Quibble with some of my choices, but they're all sincere efforts to break away from cutesy, commercial animation, and even the weaker ones (the Tolkien adaptations) have many merits. Why don't we see more such efforts? Animation is still viewed as a children's medium, the same burden comic books bear in America. Also, Disney's mega-success insures that most animated movies that get greenlighted will essentially be Disney knock-offs, not truly creative ventures. I would so love to see Disney break their mold just a little bit beyond mere technical innovation. If they created a movie firmly for a teen audience (as they could have with TARZAN or THE BLACK CAULDRON), their influence could truly broaden the horizons of modern animation. Why bother, you ask, when they're wholly profitable as is? Because it would be daring, because it would be true to the spirit on which the company was founded, and because it's a shame for Disney to waste away the amazing artistic might they've marshaled over the years on safe, humdrum material. Is it a risk, Mozeman? Perhaps, but Disney should be able to afford a risk now and then.
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Just because children won't know any better is a good enough reason for recycling plots and other original ideas, right? Just cause they won't be able to tell the difference and no one will know, we can fool mainstream audiences into beleiving we're responsible for another animation classic! Only we're using tens of millions of dollars to use cutting edge technology so people will see us as "innovative" and "original." However, we still need to stay true to the tired old Disney formula for success, and that means we're actually not being innovative at all. However, we've fulled most of America in to beleiving a huge budget equals innovation! I love Disney!
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Disney is as Disney does. So the animals talk-- what did you expect? Subtitles? Please. Dialog still carries a film, no matter how hackneyed and/or insipid it is. I dare anyone to go see a Benji movie right now and tell me how fascinating an animal movie is with NO DIALOG. It's like wearing earplugs. And frankly, this must be the first bit of realistic CGI dinosaurs that actually CAN talk. Yes, Disney is 100% formulaic--it's a tradition. But the Mouse House is also one of the most technologically innovative and professional animation studios out there, which makes their features at least worth a look. So quit yer whining, you spoiled brats.
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Disney is as Disney does. So the animals talk-- what did you expect? Subtitles? Please. Dialog still carries a film, no matter how hackneyed and/or insipid it is. I dare anyone to go see a Benji movie right now and tell me how fascinating an animal movie is with NO DIALOG. It's like wearing earplugs. And frankly, this must be the first bit of realistic CGI dinosaurs that actually CAN talk. Yes, Disney is 100% formulaic--it's a tradition. But the Mouse House is also one of the most technologically innovative and professional animation studios out there, which makes their features at least worth a look. So quit yer whining, you spoiled brats.
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Why do they all look like crying sad-sacks about to burst into tears?
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There's no way Disney's gonna get its money back. This film will be a log.
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Mar 04, 2000 1:08:32 AM CST
Listen up, unimaginative fools (Valvoline, take note)! You CAN m
by dave_f
To begin with, there have been dozens and dozens of animated shorts with no dialogue, including my all-time favorite, Chuck Jones' "One Froggy Evening" (yes, Michigan J. Frog was once a truly unique character before Warner Brothers whored him out as their network spokesperson). It's amazing what pantomime can convey with skillful animators and a strong supporting score. "But Cormorant", you say, "Those are SHORTS! You can't do a good 60 to 90 minute movie with no dialogue you anti-Disney Nazi!" Ah, use yer imagination, sheep! One of my personal favorite movies (historicity aside) is THE QUEST FOR FIRE - beautifully filmed, beautifully acted, it gives a true sense of prehistoric life and the common humanity that unites mankind. Oh yeah, and there's no English dialogue. How about THE BEAR, even more appropriate for its focus on animals. Another amazing movie with nary a word of dialogue. Oh yeah, and though it's only a 30 minute film, THE RED BALLOON has somehow managed to become a true classic through its purely visual storytelling. I'm probably missing other examples, but these are the ones that popped into my head. Would you please use your imaginations?! Isn't that even a theme in a couple of those Disney movies? I hold that you can be innovative AND commercially successful. I mean, if anyone can experiment a bit without losing the public's adoration, it's Disney! Stop defending their stagnation as if "tradition" is such a worthy virtue for artists. Can I say it one more time? Kids deserve better films. Now, any one of you pro-Disney folks care to actually address my points?
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Dinosaur movie has been around for more than 10 years at the Disney Studio. ONE of the first directors was Paul Verhoeven. Several others came and went. The final total of directors is 6. The final total of writers is 22. The budget is $280 mill. The length of production is 5 years. And the danged things TALK! From what I here, they talk A LOT! Della Reese, Keifer Sutherland, and....ok--check IMBD.
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Michael Maltese and Maurice Noble had as much, if not more, to do with "One Froggy Evening" as did Charles M. Jones. I'm sure ole' Chuck would RATHER have you ask about the "Sniffles" cartoons....
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It seems that there`s a common theme in the reactions to this trailer. Everyone`s againsed the talking. Disney probably thaught long & hard about whether to have the dinos talking or not, but in the end they decided to play it safe, There were rumours that the original idea was to do a nature film approach with no talking, but maybe they concluded that young kids wouldn`t go for that. well Walking with dinosaurs has taken the no talking, nature film approach & it`s been a massive success all over the world, even the 6 year old kids really loved it. Still talking or not, Disney have made something pretty special, it`s going to be a real visual treat. How people can critisize it`s story without actually having seen the movie is beyond me. I do know the story & it`s nothing like the lion king, it is, however a lot like the land before time.
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I will not see this damn movie because I am tired of stinking computer animated dinosaurs! I would rather smash my head on the floor until I die before seeing this 'Land before time' / 'American Tale' / 'Jurrasic Park' knock off. We've all seen this stupid movie a million times already in other forms. Demand something creative! Demand something new! The reason they all look sad is to invoke you to feel bad for them and say 'Awwwww, CUTE!' and buy all the crap Disney will push on you. I'm sure they'll have a 'wicked' T-rex to sucker all you anti-sidekick, ewok hating real men into liking this crap. If you see this movie, you will only encourage them. Anyone who actually thinks this movie will be good should go kill themselves now, because your just part of the problem...
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I like to see the impossible happen. Watching movies with intense CGI like Jurassic Park and Star Wars: Episode 1 really makes my day! These movies are a window for things we will never see in reality. What's so wrong with it?
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Crappy rip-off plot line aside, now they sweat? I thought that was a mammalian thing. Ok, so we have sweaty talking naked-as-a-plucked-chicken dinosaurs. My only hope now is that JURASSIC PARK 3 will try something new and have accurate dinosaurs. Hey, I can hope can't I? --Joxer, leader of the "Bring accurate dinosaurs the the screen" campaign, wondering how the raptors in this film will leap high enough to maul the guts out of hadrosaurs without the aid of their little wings :)
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Hey, anyone else having trouble dling the trailer and just about everything else quicktime lately? I know there has been a very recent upgrade of qt and I went to download it, but the greatest company in the world, Apple Computers has an authentication on their download. What a bunch of morons. Anyhow, if anybody knows anywhere else I can dl qt4+ then please let me know. Thanks.
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I'll let you know what I think of this flick when it comes out on video. No way I'm going to go to the theatres to see this typical commercial piece of shit.
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Mar 04, 2000 8:17:56 PM CST
CORMORANT, you should realize Disney doesn't give a damn about i
by niiiice
Innovation comes when filmmakers have little to no money and therefore are forced to use their creativity to think up of something unique and original (sadly, lately that has spawned more "gimmicky" movies that have no substance i.e., The Blair Witch Project). But I digress. When you're a megalomaniacal multibillion dollar corporation like Disney, you don't have to worry about originality or even quality control as long as everything measure up according to some loosely defined "standards" of "family entertainment." And guess what? Being able to funnel tens of millions of dollars into an animated picture to spew off some nice looking eye candy is enough for mainstream audiences to lap up and call it "innovative". It's kind of like how mainstream America thinks Adam Sandler is a god of comedy. They don't know anything else to judge by.
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Both talkbackers AND Disney! I know I'm a bit late to this talkback but everyone else has had their .02 so...___________________Most people including Valvoline seem to forget that disney used to be able to do this (story & character with no dialogue) - err, remember the sorcerer's apprentice? For that matter, what about the 'death of the dinosaurs' segment of Fantasia (rite of spring)?? Whaddya know? An animated Dinosaur story with NO DIALOGUE!! For that matter, what about every Roadrunner cartoon there ever was. ____________Hell, remember what Chuck Jones said about most sat. morning animation being 'animated radio'? If you can't turn the sound off and still know exactly what's going on like you can with most of the old stuff, then it's not good animation. Anyone remember 'Tom and Jerry, the Pink Panker, Inki and the Minor Bird (sp?) and on and on and on... ________________As far as computer animation, what about every Pixar short there ever was up to and including Geri's game? As for feature length, the kiddies here obviously don't remember Charlie Chaplin, Buster Keaton and something called 'Silent Movies' (oops - those were black & white; why would you watch that?). Lastly, even Disney have their very own creative amnesia and hideously short memory. _________________Dinosaur just looks like they've crossed Stravinski's 'Rite of Spring' with 'Tarzan' (I'll be the best Lemur-creature EVER!) with a good dollop of the same old 'can't judge a book by it's cover' theme that Disney have used in every recent-era film except for rescuers down under. O.K., yes, I haven't seen the film yet, but I'll drink the golden stream of Pisso the clown if I'm wrong, dammit. GOD HELP US if these Dinos sing._____________________________Bah humbug to all of you. I'm off to watch Bambi and Fantasia again (how DID Mickey turn the pages of his master's book when he was lying on top of it???)
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its pretty simple, take the concept of the most succesful animaited film EVEr ( Lion King) and make it in CGI with the only thing that looks feasible in cgi other than toys, dinosaurs.
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I have to admit that the first trailer for DINOSAUR affected me almost as much as when I saw those scenes from PRINCESS MONONOKE on HBO (about 2 years before it actually came out, dammit!) The sight of so many cgi dinosaurs literally brought tears to my eyes. And even though I hate Disney I try to be open minded about each of their movies. But I feel like I should really curb my excitement, because Disney is always doing the same damn thing with their trailers..the first ones have no singing or humor and look really sensational, getting me all worked up, and then the next trailers come out and they show all this singing and ostensibly funny shit and dumb dialogue and little faggotty dogs that are supposed to be dragons and..arrrrrgggghhh!! By the way, WATERSHIP DOWN is a good non-kiddie animated movie. It's not quite as good as the book, but the animation is very nice and the story is terrific, of course. (and the animals talked.)
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This film had awful, awful story problems in production. Putting together a CG studio from scratch and preparing to do this kind of CG animation in high volume occupied too much of the key people's attention.
However, saying Jurassic Park's CG dinosaurs were technically superior in execution simply isn't true. Much of what people think they remember about that movie, much of the dinosaurs' impact, comes from what is not shown. There are only _six minutes_ of CG dinosaurs in the entire length of Jurassic Park, and you get a good long look at them maybe three times (the brachiosaur, the kitchen sequence, MAYBE the T-Rex but it's so dark!!!)
As for Walking with Dinosaurs, it's fine work but it's poorly integrated with the environments and the dinosaurs show skin geometry problems even at video resolution -- and when doing that kind of work at film resolution it's a LOT more difficult. (Lack of appreciation for which is one reason Square is having such a disaster with their Final Fantasy movie.)
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Mar 05, 2000 2:06:13 PM CST
Movie looks good, but seems like another souless marketing campa
by sir slob
I became excited about this movie until the animals talked, but kept watching anyway in interest. Then the cliches piled ontop of one another. Are americans becoming so stupid that they can't see when they are being talked down to. So its a kids movie, but this doesn't excuse continually watering the plot down. But it won't matter because people will get caught up in the imagery, and forget the story. The love monkey line is so obvious and cloy that it hurts.
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Saw the trailer dinosaur (before toystory2) here in europe(paul verhoeve country the netherlands).
And i got that hartbeat skipping circle of life first scene dejavu feeling again.
very sentimental in a europian suppresssed way so i liked it, ,dont have a clue what the movie is about yet .
im old enough to have seen the disney nature movies by the by(rerun & without breaking out in a rash)
i liked the trailer and im happy that CAG(computer aided graphics)
stepped in so that a lot of dinosaurs wouldnt have to expierience the cruelty of nature filming manupulation.
(and i dont believe in spelling checkers as you can see, languae was focal the last time i looked)
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If the Dinosaurs talk that's no problem. In Watership Down the rabbits talk and it's a great movie/book. The difference though, is the rabbits don't sing and dance. This is why I hate Disney, god forbid they do something outside the formula. (they won't even DISTRIBUTE original films! They hid Princess Mononoke and Straight Story)
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Mar 06, 2000 12:47:04 AM CST
Hmm...the Disney Apologists are conspicuously absent in their de
by dave_f
So therefore I declare that the Disney Critics have won this round! We haven't won the war yet, boys, not by a long shot, but we've established a beachhead! Changing the Mouse ain't gonna be easy, but we'll throw a little Normandy for 'em one of these days. High casualties, yeah, but we'll win the day!
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War? Are you kidding? Maybe some of us are too busy pouring our blood and sweat into entertainment so that you can turn around and spout your ignorance and pointless criticism.
We express opinions. But disagreeing with you doesn't make someone an apologist. Apologize for what - entertaining millions of people with characters so memorable that they've become icons? Making money? My only problem is that you guys TARGET Disney when it does absolutely NOTHING different than any other studio. The amount of irrational bias against Disney is so overwhelming that I feel compelled to defend Disney more than I might otherwise, but Disney Critics, as you say, level criticism that could apply to almost every major Hollywood film (since when is dialogue such a faux pas?). But for this you HATE Disney. How ludicrous.
This is not a battle. This is not a war. It's opinion. And Disney will go on making films that appeal to its audience, songs or no songs, sidekicks or no sidekicks. The audience is what matters, and you are clearly not in that group. -
Just kidding actually - I only posted that "war" bit because this Talkback thread seemed to be dead and I wanted to have some fun. I truly love many Disney movies, but regret their downward spiral of repetition in the last several years, of which "Dinosaurs" is just the latest example. There
*are* "Disney Haters" out there, but I'm not one of them, and I dislike those who criticize without basis as much as you. Despite writing with the occasional barbed tongue, I generally back up my opinions, so I don't think I have any "irrational bias". Hmm...this thread is about to get pushed off the board, so you might not even see this, but we'll meet again at the next "Dinosaur" post...
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