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CLASS OF 1987 - Nordling Double Features PREDATOR and ROBOCOP!

Nordling here.

For those expecting another CLASS of ’82 article, well, we’re jumping into the DeLorean ahead five years for this one.  It was 25 years ago that the next two movies were released, and I think both changed action cinema in their way.  Plus, they make for a killer double feature, one I experienced that summer of 1987, and one that really brought home a point that’s occurred time and again in my life.  But more on that later.

I think that we can all agree that the modern day action film, for the most part, has had its teeth pulled.  Because they are so expensive to make now, the studios meticulously oversee all manner of production, all the way up to release, and if they can’t get a PG-13, they cut until they can.  R rated films can’t bring in the box office like the PG-13s can; that’s just a cold hard truth.  They may release so-called director’s cuts or unrated edits for home release, but for the most part, the days of DIE HARD or LETHAL WEAPON, with their kind of violence, are gone.  Sure, we get some harder-edged action films once in a while – THE RAID looks to be one of those – but they aren’t the norm.  Even THE EXPENDABLES 2, filled to the brim with 1980s action heroes that would have never balked at being in an R rated movie back in the day, will be PG-13.  Chuck Norris used to embrace the ultraviolence; now he outwardly says that those movies aren’t for him anymore.

So what’s happened to the real action movies from the 1980s and even the 1990s that we know and love?  Michael Bay’s doing TRANSFORMERS movies, for Christ’s sake – this is the guy who in BAD BOYS 2 had our heroes destroy a shantytown in Cuba in a Humvee, because he took the phrase “war on poverty” literally.  John Woo went back to China.  John McTiernan’s gotten into legal trouble, and we haven’t seen Paul Verhoeven for a while now.  There isn’t one thing that can define why action films in general have become tamer – we live in a different world now, for certain, than in the Cold War 1980s.  Our sensibilities are different.

Take PREDATOR, for example.  PREDATOR is a solid R, and I don’t think they would have even attempted to make it otherwise in 1987.  We see people disemboweled, arms severed, shot, exploded, without any hesitation by the filmmakers.   PREDATOR just wouldn’t be the same movie if there wasn’t a credible threat and the movie lets the audience know that these men are in a life-or-death situation.  Furthermore, the actors play this squad of badasses as real people – they are all braggarts at first, not above making fun of each other’s manhoods, but when they actually get into the business of war they are no-nonsense and react to events in a realistic manner.   In 1987 Arnold Schwarzenegger was pretty well-known, but I think it was PREDATOR that truly finalized his status as a superstar, and I think it’s because he portrayed Dutch as someone who wasn’t just an emotionless soldier on a killing spree.  Dutch has scruples – he considers his unit to be a rescue team, and not cold-hearted killers.  He won’t hesitate to take down a bad guy or even quip a one-liner or two as he does it, but he’s not soulless.

He’s not fearless, either.  When his squad runs into something that is outside their field of reference, he reacts appropriately.  He’s afraid – not so afraid to be crippled by it, but he genuinely fears for his life and the lives of his men, and when the Predator comes along and attacks them, his first response isn’t to turn around and fight but to “get to the choppah!”  He knows he’s outarmed and outmanned.  He only stays because he knows that if he didn’t the Predator would shoot that helicopter from the sky, and he doesn’t want anyone else to die.

None of the action heroes that came along since in the 1980s seemed to get that intrinsic truth that Schwarzenegger did, and that informed his movies as a result: with the exception of the Terminator (obviously), he wasn’t some unstoppable killing machine.  He was very much human, with human problems, and I think that’s the key to his critical and financial success at the box office.  Sure, he can blow ‘em up with the best of them, but he was vulnerable where it mattered.  I’m very excited about THE LAST STAND because it seems like Schwarzenegger is returning to that mode of action hero.   Dutch was very much the guy who could take care of business, but he was also a genuine soldier in the fact that he knew his own limitations.

Once the Predator and Dutch go into the jungle, one on one, Dutch uses his natural surroundings and the little pieces of information that he knows about the Predator to fight him.  Again, this is how Schwarzenegger differs from other action stars of the time – he wasn’t afraid to show his character thinking, and what’s more, he wasn’t afraid to show it if his character didn’t know something either.   People might think that the larger budgets that Schwarzenegger films seemed to get were the reason for their success, but I don’t agree.  I think it’s because for all the muscle and bravado, Schwarzenegger played real people, or at least as real as his movies could get.  This was a theme that John McTiernan would pick up and run with in DIE HARD – Bruce Willis is certainly a vulnerable guy in that movie, and though McClane jokes about Schwarzenegger a bit, I think the point is made in PREDATOR.

I don’t think PREDATOR could be made today – at least, not in that style of filmmaking.  I’m not saying that we couldn’t handle the violence; I still think PREDATOR would garnish an R rating, but I think studios would overthink the film to the point of inertia.  PREDATOR is a fairly lean movie, and doesn’t take long to get to the point.  We don’t get the Predator’s backstory at all except through his actions, and that’s what makes him such a fascinating villain.  I don’t think the current studio mentality would go for that.  No, PREDATOR would wind up explaining everything about the creature’s motivations, and it would cease being a movie about Dutch and instead being a movie about the monster effects.  Dutch would be given a huge backstory as well – we’d learn all about why he passed on Libya, and everyone else would be given their own story, and the whole thing would become pointless.  PREDATOR works because it’s direct, no-nonsense, and doesn’t pull the punches where it counts.

Speaking of no punches pulled, when it comes to violence, ROBOCOP makes PREDATOR look like a children’s learning show in comparison, especially the unrated cut.  ROBOCOP was submitted to the ratings board a whopping 11 times before getting its R rating, and the result, says Paul Verhoeven, was a much more serious tone to the violence than was intended.  Even so, it’s still spectacularly violent for its day, and I can’t imagine ROBOCOP passing muster in today’s climate.  I think the humor of it still comes through.  “Will someone call a goddamn paramedic!?” kills me every time I see the movie, which is often.

ROBOCOP is now considered a classic, but at the time of its release I remember seeing the trailers and thinking it was some sort of joke.  ROBOCOP looked like more of a parody than a movie, and I had no idea of the impact it would have on film and on me personally.  This may be a weird statement, but for my generation, ROBOCOP is very much what Stanley Kubrick’s DR. STRANGELOVE is for the baby boomer generation; ROBOCOP deals with serious subjects in a comedic, satirical way that calls to mind that classic film.

For example, the idea that corporations would run everything, including city services, seemed ridiculous at the time.  The idea that big business was the enemy, that corporate greed would have a body count, certainly wasn’t a new concept, even in 1987, but it’s presented in such a way that it seems almost inevitable to our future at the time.  Now, of course, many of the ideas and concepts of ROBOCOP have come to pass; the public is definitely aware of the reach and power of giant corporations, and due to the economy ROBOCOP seems almost like a documentary when it comes to the portrayal of Detroit and the economic devastation that the recession caused.  ROBOCOP is full of abandoned warehouses and factories while the hoi polloi toast champagne in the high rises – to us, ROBOCOP isn’t the future anymore.  It’s the reality of the present.

Now, of course, everyone’s ripped off ROBOCOP, and ROBOCOP itself comes from a long line of comic book stories and science fiction novels.  It seems directly influenced by Frank Miller’s THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS, so much so, in fact, that Miller wrote the second and co-wrote the third film.  NETWORK was a film that decried the escalation of TV culture into our lives; ROBOCOP shows that culture has infiltrated every aspect of daily life.  From perverts on a TV show, to commercials for the latest artificial heart, to board games about thermonuclear war, this is a society that has been entirely co-opted by the corporations that run everything.  Even a hostage situation becomes a negotiation for a new car.  Into this world comes Robocop, who has simple directives and simple goals, but even he’s been co-opted by OCP.  We’re all bought and sold in some way, and integrity and honor has to rise above the programming that we’re all fed every day.

The script is deceptive in that it’s about so much more than the surface action film that we were sold in the trailers.  Ed Neumeier and Michael Miner wrote a sharp, knowing screenplay, and Verhoeven found the teeth in the satire with his directing.  The dialogue is golden - where else would we get such famous lines as "Bitches leave!" or "I'd buy that for a dollar!"  My personal favorite, and mostly it's because of Peter Weller's delivery, is, "You have suffered an emotional shock.  I will notify a rape crisis center."  It just sounds so programmed, and in the context of the scene, hilarious.  Or "Let the mayor go, we'll even throw in a Blaupunkt!"  It changes a lot.  The movie's rich with lines like that.

Plus, it’s just such a good movie in that it works not just as a satire but as a terrific action movie on its own.  We care for Murphy (Peter Weller in his signature role) and even though he seeks vengeance, what he really wants is a life that’s his own, and not something that’s simply a commodity.  In today’s world, that’s something we strive for more than ever.

Both of these movies, for me, hit me more personally than others – both PREDATOR and ROBOCOP have special significance to me.  Some people have those memorable baseball games that they spent with family, or weddings, or barbecues, or various other events that they mark the time with throughout their lives.  I have those, for sure, but increasingly I find that I have many moments in my life that I mark with movies.  And for PREDATOR and ROBOCOP, the first thing that comes to my mind is the funeral of my father.  ROBOCOP was released in theaters on July 17th, 1987.  Two days before, my father passed away in the night due to cancer.  I remember seeing ROBOCOP that next day after the funeral, as a friend of mine wanted to be there for me and he knew that I loved movies pretty much more than anything.  I laughed hard at ROBOCOP, and it made a very difficult time for me much more tolerable, and PREDATOR did as well.  Sometimes, after hard truths and situations in life, you need things to blow up real good to put things in perspective, and these two movies in particular will always have a special place because of that.  For those brief hours in the theater, PREDATOR and ROBOCOP took me away from my troubles, and for that I’m forever grateful to those movies and those filmmakers.  As always, thanks for reading.

Nordling, out.  Follow me on Twitter!

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  • http://actofvalor.com/ <P> Act of Valor looks like an amazing action movie.

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST

    You are one ugly mothefucka!

    by hank henshaw

    I'd buy that for a dollar!

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Economics in Robocop

    by Atomike2

    I wish more people would take economics classes - and get their news from sources other than agenda-driven "news" sources (New York Times, I'm looking at you). Then we wouldn't get nonsense like this.

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST

    If I wasn't clear....Nordling needs to take an economics class.

    by Atomike2

    And see what real economists say about "evil" corporations. They will set you straight. Don't let leftist politics make you look dumb by saying things that are patently silly.

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Good article, Nordling

    by theBigE

    As a 16 year old that summer with my license, I saw pretty much every film that came out, except Predator. It wasn't until years later on TV that I watched it. I thought Commando was so laughably bad that I didn't want to give Schwarzenegger another chance. I saw Robocop at a Drive In that summer. Ah, the old days.

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Fred Dekker directed Robocop 3, not Frank Miller

    by bodian26

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Arnold as a thinker

    by bodian26

    John Milius comments on this a lot in his commentary for "Conan the Barbarian."

  • I wasn't a huge fan of Predator until someone advised me to view it from a comedic standpoint. All that macho-bravado during the first hour of the movie is quite funny. "I don't have time to bleed", how is that not comedy?

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 8:44 p.m. CST

    bodian26

    by Nordling

    Thanks, corrected. I don't know where I got the idea he directed it.

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST

    give ronnie cox more work damnit

    by ORIONgods

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 8:49 p.m. CST

    nice work nord

    by mr. smith

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 8:58 p.m. CST

    One thing that has always bugged me about Predator...

    by bodian26

    is that the creature's ship is seen at the beginning and we get glimpses of his eyesight while Dutch and his men first enter the jungle. I have always thought the film would have cooler if the Predator emerged out of nowhere, like the vampire/mutants in "From Dusk Till Dawn." Still a great movie though.

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 9:06 p.m. CST

    ROBOCOP is a bonafide four star classic

    by master_of_realty

    So damn satisfying, espeacially the Director's Cut. It has it all. To be able to hold this balls-out action romp up alongside Verhoeven's more thoughtful thriller BLACK BOOK and not be able to decide which is superior is a testament to its quality.

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 9:10 p.m. CST

    I saw these as a double feature at the Astro Drive In

    by illyGraham

    in Dallas in 1987. No joke. My buddy Nathan and I went with his family in their van. We pulled out the bench seat from the van and set it in it's own parking space and watched both of these movies back to back. This was the first R rated theater experience for me. I was 14. Wow. Thanks Nordling...

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 9:13 p.m. CST

    I like both cuts released for "Robocop" but...

    by bodian26

    I prefer the theatrical of Murphy's death. The shorter length escalated its feeling of brutality.

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 9:27 p.m. CST

    This is scientific proof the 80s were the pinnacle of action movies.

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    There is nothing more to say.

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Bitches leave.

    by elgato73

    That's life in the big city.

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 9:28 p.m. CST

    "You're gonna be a bad motherfucker!"

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Oh, and don't foreget Capone still thinks Predator has "dead space"

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Set him straight Nordling.

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Predator The Musical, and Predator: How It Should Have Ended are

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    two must sees on You Tube.

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Spot on Bodian...

    by SayNoToRemakes

    The R-rated cut of Murphy's hits so hard and so fast that it is actually more powerful than in the NR version.

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 9:36 p.m. CST

    If it bleeds we can kill it!

    by quantize

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Jesus Christ!

    by MainMan2001

    Predator was a film I would watch nearly every single day as a kid and then reenact the film in my back year. Robocop was a movie my grandmother rented for me as a kid and she watched it with me until she forced me to turn it off after the coke off tits scene. lol. I loved it though.

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST

    PREDATOR and ROBOCOP

    by one9deuce

    The end of the golden age of genre cinema 1975-1987. I'm 39 and grew up in the 70's and 80's... goddamn we had it so good!

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 10:02 p.m. CST

    AWESOME.... THEY DON'T MAK'EM LIKE THIS ANYMORE!!!

    by Mennen

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Help Me!

    by Shia_LaBeoufs_Mutant_Hand

    Don't touch me man! Help me! Great article Nordling!

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST

    cool memories, illygraham

    by theBigE

    I have no recollection of what I watched with Robocop as my Drive-in double feature. Was there some Richard Gere-Kim Basinger swamp movie out then? Or maybe Tom Cruise's Legend? My memory is foggy.

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 10:15 p.m. CST

    I'm dreading Harry's John Carter review

    by Denty420

    All that semen in one place won't be healthy.

  • because the country is a giant stank pussy too worried about catering to retarded children. Fuck catering to the masses.

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 10:16 p.m. CST

    like *this* in america anymore

    by alienindisguise

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Comic book Legend John Severin has died

    by MooseMalloy

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Ahem, District 9.

    by Stan Grossman

    Proved you can still make a badass, balls to the wall, R rated action flick in this day and age, and make a shit ton of money while doing it. The real problem is we don't have any of those legendary maverick producers with giant fucking gonads and mounds of cocaine saying yes to everything anymore. Well Joel silver is still around but he stopped caring about quality right around the time those other 2 matrix films were shat out. Garbage I tell ya. I have to tip my hat to peter Jackson for recognizing a true, up and coming talent, giving him 40 million $ and getting the fuck out of the way. The results speak for themselves. District 9 is hands down, thee action film of the last decade. Standing confidently alongside the terminator 1&2, predator, robocop, die hard, the road warrior etc etc etc...ps- the guy would have made one Hell of a halo film. Sigh. The live action short he made to link 2&3 alone puts 99% of modern action cinema to shame. Can't wait for elysium.

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 10:37 p.m. CST

    regarding the last stand

    by Stan Grossman

    The good the bad and the weird is a close second. Kim ji woon is a man to watch. I sincerely hope he brings the big guy back in style. Fingers crossed. I'm tired of laughing AT arnie

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Good times at the cinema with both these flicks

    by Mace Tofu

    These movies were the reason you could drag your buddies to the cinema each week because it was like hitting the lotto. Walking out to the car after these two flicks put you in a good mood all weekend. Even the stinkers in the 80's were fun back then as I remember the gang having a good time heckling the screen during The Lonely Lady with Pia. I miss the "Olden times"

  • Had it cost an Avavtar-sized $200+ million (like 90% of the big summer action/advenure movies these days end up costing), it would have been whittled down to a PG-13 without a second thought. That's a big difference between the genre cinema of the 80's and today...you could make a really hardcore action movie for a fairly modest budget, and thus could make that investment back easilly. Nowadays, even a Die Hard sequel has to be rated PG-13, which is insane.

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Predator is one of the top 5 action flicks of all-time.

    by Ashs_Right_Hand

    Right alongside T2, Die Hard, Aliens and The Rock. (IMO of course.)

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Nordling --

    by My best friend

    Been reading this site since the mid to late 1990's. I saw both of these flicks in the theatre when I was 10 years old and loved both. Anyway, I enjoy all of your reviews. Keep up the good work .

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 11:17 p.m. CST

    pasty.

    by Stan Grossman

    That's the point. Let's make more kick ass 30 million dollar movies and less 200 million $ cartoon like snooze fests like avatar. That movie sucks hard and I love Cameron. Even titanic. 30 million for 150 million$ profit don't sound too bad.

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 11:29 p.m. CST

    great read

    by Eric Strauss

    As someone who grew up in the 80s loving films like this, I really appreciate this post Nordling. I've watched both these movies dozens of times - they never get old. That said, I can't completely agree with your analysis of Schwarzenegger as a flawed, human hero. To me he almost always represented the exact opposite (think Commando - he KNOWS he's gonna get his daughter back no matter what they throw at him). Same type of character in Red Heat (a personal fav), and the Running Man - essentially unstoppable. And of course The Terminator. That's what Schwarzenegger embodied, and we loved him for it. I agree with you that his turn in Predator as Dutch is a bit more nuanced - yes, he is afraid for himself and his men. But that's the exception, not the rule. I think Willis really broke the Stallone/Schwarzenegger mold when he created J McClane - one of the few 80s mega heroes who confronted self doubt, unsure that he would make it out alive (and thus we were unsure too).

  • Feb. 14, 2012, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Awesome read and thanks for the HELP in...

    by KHjLL

    Writing a story.. I mean that thanks NORDLING...thanks.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 12:24 a.m. CST

    saw them both in the same theater

    by disfigurehead

    Not at the same time of course. The theater i saw them in is closed but nothing took it's place so it's been standing empty. I can look in the windows and see which theater I saw them in. In that theater I also saw The lost Boys, Evil Dead 2, Hellraise, King Kong Lives and Creepshow 2. Man, what a great time that was.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Nordling, VERY WELL SAID! I cry for the action genre.

    by IronEagle74

    Action movies today are dead to me.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Thanks Nordling! Now I'm reminded on why life sucks...

    by The Marquis de Side 3

    ...because we had it really good in the 1980s! :o)

  • Now what we get today, the so-called modern action film, is CGI-laden sanitized PG-13 BULLSHIT.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 1:30 a.m. CST

    ROBOCOP is about today. The corporations *WILL* take over...

    by The Marquis de Side 3

    Look at the Supreme Court for changing campaign finance allowing the Super PACs to happen. One day, corporations like the ones depicted in the ROBOCOP and ALIEN franchises will come into being. This is not leftist politics at all. It's something that affects any human being from any political affiliation. A world run by corporations looks more at the bottom line and the profit margins, and is self-interested. Nordling's review is a case in point. Why do action films suffer these days compared to the 1980s? The corporate element in the studios sacrifices the artistic elements that make films like ROBOCOP or PREDATOR a classic so they can reach "the masses", make as much money as possible, and give us a somewhat watered-down product. Just look at the way people make films nowadays. Why do we miss the 1970s and 1980s and talk at length about the pop culture of our youth? Cuz back then, life was less "corporatized" than now, or in other words, life wasn't made with so many damn CEOs and suits telling you how to make your film or music.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Predator was a series of one-ups on Rambo

    by gun_will_travel

    And not particularly subtle. Rambo flexing? Schwarzenegger was bigger. Rambo had a big knife? The Indian guy had a bigger knife. Rambo used a bow with explosive arrows? Dutch makes his own explosive arrows. Schwarzenegger and Stallone had sort of a friendly rivalry going as action stars of the 80s, and this movie really showed it

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Nice article, speaking of stripped down, no nonsense movies..

    by Keith Maniac

    Isnt it weird how much of a hit Taken was and that was 18/R whatever, brutal, straight to the point. Nordling is dead right, action movies are strangled by A) worrying about violence too much and B) (as Nordling says) getting bogged down in needless, boring, pace hobbling back storys. Taken did neither and reaped the rewards !

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 1:48 a.m. CST

    These were the first 2 movies

    by ApneicMonkey

    I watched when my family bought a video player in the late 80s. Awesome memories of those early days exploring the video store. :)

  • ...or if you people are actually serious. Arnold as a thinker? Economics in Robocop? Realistic characters in fucking Predator? Holy fuck, I just...I don't even know. Forget it. I was planning to write a big rant here, but fuck it. There's just too much.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Also, there's some major Golden Age-Syndrome going on here.

    by Sardonic

    You're all talking about how many amazing action movies there were in the 80's, but guess what? There are about 500 (no seriously, look it up) action movies from the 80's that NO ONE REMEMBERS because they were stuido-produced garbage. Nothing has changed. Ten years from now, people will look back on the 2000's and say the same fucking shit. I know this is hard to grasp, but the era you grew up in, the one that had all those AWESOME movies you love, well...it wasn't the best fucking era of all time. Sorry, you're not special. Neither were the 80's, or the 90's, or 00's, or any other era. Goddamn, I hate you bastards. And I'm normally a nice guy. But you brought it out of me. I've been corrupted by this fucking board. rant/

  • There were HUGE piles of studio shit, then, too. These two were just of the some gems, along with others, just as we have today. I'm not saying it's better today or worse. It's just different.

  • it didn't used to be, i feel like it's based on poorly though out statistical analysis, plus why in the fuck does the MPAA wield so much power still? I really do not understand, especially after watching 'This movie is not rated"

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 2:26 a.m. CST

    80's Action Movies Are Best Action Movies

    by Red_Cloak

    Yes, there were probably hundreds of crappy action movies, but the best action movies of the 80's are probably the best action movies, period. That's not just Golden Age Syndrome, it's because certain genres peak in certain decades. The musicals of the 30's and 40's haven't been surpassed. Paranoid thrillers hit a peak in the 70's. I guess the 2000s were about superheroes, and we got Spiderman 2 and The Dark Knight. The 80's gave us amazing Urban Fantasy (Spielberg, BBTF, Ghostbusters, etc), and amazing Action Movies.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 2:31 a.m. CST

    It's not about there being the same level of shitty movies back in the day

    by Billy_D_Williams

    The best action movies of the 80s were far and away better than the action movies today. What was the last action movie you saw that could stand toe to toe with Robocop or Predator or Die Hard or Raiders or Terminator??? The same level of brilliant satire, hard core action that doesn't blink, ingenious sci-fi concept, and hard boiled, fully rounded characters played by good actors? Action movies simply aren't the same anymore. It's as simple as that.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Pixelsmack, on today's films vs. 70s/80s

    by The Marquis de Side 3

    True, each generation has its pile of crap, there's no denying that. But there isn't as many original films these days as there used to be -- in *any* genre, whether action, comedy, sci-fi, horror or drama. One of the most original films that came out in the sci-fi/action genre in the last 10 years was "District 9". But most of today's films are remakes or stuff based on other properties (not a Transformers film fan here). It's not that people who grew up in the 70s/80s think they're special. It's that there's less and less original content out there these days, less studios taking chances, and doing something new.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Today it's just watered down corporate Spam in a can action flicks

    by Billy_D_Williams

    ...ready and waiting to be rebooted in a few years. They're committee made, corporatized, watered down, family friendly, amusement park rides. they will not boost your imagination or haunt your dreams...they will simply empty your wallet without giving anything lasting in return.

  • ...Eh, you do know RoboCop was a Judge Dredd film when Miner, Neumeier & Pressman were all working together at Cinergi. The writers/producers of RoboCop were working at Cinergi with Ed Pressman on a Judge Dredd film, there was some sort of rights or money issue which led to Michael Miner and Ed Neumeier parting company with Pressman. They developed RoboCop separately much to the chagrin of Pressman when he saw how similar to Dredd their film was. It put the development of any Dredd film back about 5 years. One of the producers admitted to Pressman after a RoboCop screening “I’m sorry, it’s Judge Dredd isn’t it?”

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Genre filmmaking peaked in 1982...

    by Billy_D_Williams

    Star Trek Wrath of Kahn The Thing Rambo First Blood E.T. Tron The Dark Crystal Blade Runner 48 Hours Rocky 3 Conan Poltergeist Twilight Zone The Movie Creepshow The films in 1982 ALONE wipe the floor with the past 10 years in genre filmmaking! They simply do not make movies like that anymore. It's nearly impossible to make a genre classic these days. Even Spielberg can't do it anymore.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 2:45 a.m. CST

    RoboCop

    by F1rst

    Funny enough, watched it with mini me last weekend with The Terminator as double bill. And Predator is one of his favorite movies; smart kid. It's true that they don't make 'em like they used to. At least we can now enjoy them on blu-ray.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 3:18 a.m. CST

    Dr. Strangelove?!

    by aceldama

    This may be a weird statement, but for my generation, ROBOCOP is very much what Stanley Kubrick’s DR. STRANGELOVE is for the baby boomer generation

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 3:43 a.m. CST

    So films arn't as violent as they used to be?

    by theyreflockingthisway

    I think that's right to be honest. It's weird as I remember adults at the time say "there wasn't violent films like this when I was a kid". These days, however, it's people looking back wondering where they went. We do still have violence in films now, but usually only in the torture horror genre, which I'm unable to watch. Not because of the violence, but more the way it's done - two hours of someone doing something horrific to a helpless victim is certainly not the same thing. Action movies used violence as a consequence - usually happening to the people who attempt the torture from the victim. A fighting chance I guess. However we have to remember this genre isn't completely gone and still pops up from time to time. Kill Bill, Sin City, Inglorious Basterds. Granted those examples are from the same creative teams but I'm sure there are more. The real question, though, is what has happened to the R/18 rated sci fi. Predator and Robocop fall into this category along with the likes of Alien and Blade Runner but it's certainly a rarity these days to see that genre aimed solely at adults.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 4:17 a.m. CST

    Mark Kermode thinks Predator is rubbish

    by centilope

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 4:26 a.m. CST

    I too thought Robocop was going to be some parody type film..

    by Righteous Brother

    and to my eternal regret, skipped seeing it at the cinema. Caught it about six months later on Video and it blew my mind.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 4:28 a.m. CST

    riseofphantomcreeps...

    by Righteous Brother

    you know Harry wrote a biography? If you want to know more about him its all in there. Some of Harry's youth is pretty fucked up, its like an American Gothic horror story.

  • ....Back in the good old days when movies were divided by content and influence. Now we just have big budget PG movies across the board and R rated movies are just gorefest shit like the SAW and Hostel movies. If they made Predator today it'd be a PG13 movie with the same cookie cut actors you get in Battle LA/Battleship etc; lotsa slooomoooo running and explosions guys crying down the mobile phone to a girlfriend about how he'll save the world for her, and the baby! RoboCop today? Iron Man...........say no more.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 4:47 a.m. CST

    Get to the choppa

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    What is Nordling on about. Arnie doesnt say this till the end when its just him and the girl, all his 'team' are dead by that point! And Mark Kermode is a dick.

  • And let the cinemas decide which version they want to show? Post 9pm? Put the R-rated one on. Would this really affect the cost of the movie *that* much? Or would it just show that the PG-13 = more money is a bullshit excuse, and the only reason they make PG-13 is to pussify the populace even further?

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5 a.m. CST

    ROBOCOP = DREDD

    by HewligansHaircut

    You are of course right joeuman. Robocop was a direct riff on Dredd. Anybody who has read a Dredd comic would know that. It will be interesting to see the similarities between Robocop and the new Dredd film, in relation to the 'R' rating and 'more violence' that is being discussed in this forum. Will the new Dredd film take on board the violence so prevelant in the comics (more so than any Robocop or Dredd movie) or will it be a tepid PG13? Fingers crossed.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Which Movie Is Better - RoboCop or Terminator? Vote Now!!!

    by HornyForHarry

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:06 a.m. CST

    Really? The Dark Knight Returns????

    by Uridium

    I get that you are mainly talking to an American audience, but how can you talk about that ROBOCOP was influenced by, without mentioning JUDGE DREDD....??? Seriously..... You hardly even have to squint at the screen and you are watching what we should have got for a DREDD movie.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Was underage when I saw both of these in the cinema at the time

    by melonman

    Which made them even more enjoyable.

  • It's that jet black and sickly funny strain of satire that 2000AD did so fucking well.

  • The scales may waver depending on your mood, but they're both brilliant really.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:18 a.m. CST

    I say Terminator also. But that in no way makes RoboCop anyway inferior.

    by HornyForHarry

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:37 a.m. CST

    riseofphantomcreeps...

    by Righteous Brother

    It's called Aint it Cool?: Kicking Hollywood's Butt. You can pick it up on Amazon for a penny!

  • PREDATOR is remarkable in his filmography because IT'S THE EXCEPTION to the rule of his films. Jesus, since when the exception became the rule? And the common thing in Arnold's movies is that he was not a vulnerable human being, but an impossible killing machine in a vague human shape with those comic book muscles and minimal personality. This 80s nostalgia for the action movies of the 80s is getting out of hand! it's getting ridiculous! PREDATOR and ROBOCOP are exceptional good action and SF movies. They are so because they are the exception. The remarkable few exception that proved an otherwise rule, that those action movies of the period were dumb, stupid, badly made, terribly acted, shallow, souless, cynically put together by cold profit only-seeking corporations. PREDATOR and ROBOCOP are exceptions, not the posterboys of the 80s style of action and Sf filmmaking. They are great because they mannaged to go against the grain and infuse some intelligence and coherence to the procedings, done by talented idiosincratic and intelligent filmmakers who mannaged to slip by a lot of though and intelligence to what would had been otherwise generic dumbed down movies in the hands of the usual crop of the filmmakers of the time. PREDATOR and ROBOCOP became classics because they are exceptional in every sense of the word.

  • That was in 1995. HEAT is like a statement of what was wrong with 80s action movies and how to correct them. HEAT is a lesson on how to make a truly good action movie with no bullshit attached.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:44 a.m. CST

    one9deuce

    by AsimovLives

    the real golden age of cinema was from the mid 60s to the early 80s.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:53 a.m. CST

    sardonic

    by AsimovLives

    you made an excelent points and i agree with much of what you said. Yes, the AICN crowd does suffer from a severe Golden Age Syndrome, and for some wierd reason they decided to elect the 80s as theirs. One can find so many great genre movies in any decade of film history, from the 20s to the 2000s. What his rose tinted glasses dudes don't realise is that the vast majority of the action movies from the 80s were horrible fucking piles of trash shit. They hold dear to the notable exceptions and treat them as the rule. Weird! Really weird.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:58 a.m. CST

    If it bleeds...

    by DoubleFantasy

    ...we can fuck it.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 6:01 a.m. CST

    I was maybe 10

    by snaredrum

    my ma and da knew how much i wanted to see Robocop but they wouldn't rent it for me. So my friend's parents rented it and i snuck out and watched it. It was the turning point where i was allowed to watch 18 certificate films afterwards, as my parents realised (after bollocking me) that it was a real film, not a video nasty or something crap. nice work, Nord - both films are very close to my heart.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Robocop was the first ever uncut 18 I watched

    by DirkD13"

    Needless to say it blew me through the back of the lounge at the time. My Uncle recorded it off Sky Movies and let me watch it when my parents weren't around. I was totally enthralled by the swearing, violence, titties and general mayhem - but then that toxically deformed guy gets hit by the car and literally explodes and I though "this is the greatest movie ever made". The great thing about Robocop, is that as I got older and started to understand the movie more beyond the base thrills, it just got better and better. Great article Nordling, reminding me of great memories. Thankyou.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 6:17 a.m. CST

    Anyone seen the British TV version of Rococop?

    by DirkD13"

    "Once I even called him - airhead" In it's own way, almost as good as the original.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 6:19 a.m. CST

    I saw Robocop again

    by John Baker

    for the first time as an adult a few months ago. Fan-fucking-tastic and completely holds up to my childhood memories of it. One thing I noticed for the first time now that I'm older is how much it owes to the old monster movies. Watch the scene in the parking garage with the cops all firing on Murphy. It's straight out of a Frankenstein film. The only difference is they have guns instead of pitchforks. I get the same cyberpunk vibe from Robocop as when I read Neuromancer. Why the fuck did the 80's have to end?

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 6:25 a.m. CST

    gallows - "Forget me!, Forget me"

    by masteryoda007

    Remember the bit in the store with the rober and the shotgun? Still has my favorite line ever, "Can you fly Bobby?"

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Predator is pretty good, ROBOCOP IS FUCKING AMAZING!

    by NeonFrisbee

    Predator is a pretty fun genre actioner. Robocop is a hilarious, brilliant, subversive, satire of corporate america wrapped up in an ultraviolent transgressive sci-fi cop/superhero revenge story. It's one of the greatest movies ever made.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 6:28 a.m. CST

    QUE PASO, MUJER?

    by Darth Busey

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 6:29 a.m. CST

    I WANT A FIVE METER SPREAD. NO SOUND.

    by Darth Busey

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 6:29 a.m. CST

    GODDAMN JACKPOT!

    by Darth Busey

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 6:42 a.m. CST

    You want cool news?

    by John Baker

    Do an online search regarding the detriot statue of Robocop. I hope it works out. They've raised over $50,000. All you geeks oughta donate to THIS shit instead of another goddamn star wars action figure.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Damn it

    by John Baker

    "Detriot" = Detroit. First ever typo in a talkback... Time to slice my arm abyss style.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Jim Harper! I KNEW THIS MAAAAAAAAAAN

    by SmokieGeezer

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 6:50 a.m. CST

    Good luck Frank!

    by SmokieGeezer

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 6:53 a.m. CST

    a newww toyyy...can I play?

    by SmokieGeezer

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 7:06 a.m. CST

    asi: Never forget the Nineties dude - Platinum Age of Cinema

    by melonman

    You're right about the majority of 80s actioners being trash - mostly watched by my generation via dodgy corner video shops. That's why THE EXPENDABLES was so sad - they took all the bad points - lazy, sloppy plotting and characterisation et al - and left out the good. The last couple of years have seen another downturn, where Hollywood cinema has been supplanted by American television (or foreign movies) for quality. Obviously there are exceptions, and I'm personally optimistic for another upswing in quality again - the studios have to be forced to be reminded that quality does win through. If they want to sell product, it has to be well-made product, and not fall apart after one glance.

  • I eventually saw it on HBO and loved it, but the name and subject was off-putting. I imagined he would break dance at some point.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 7:07 a.m. CST

    my men are not expendable.

    by the new transported man

    and I don't do this kind of verk.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Predator trailer

    by JamesT

    The music in that trailer had a serious John Carpenter vibe to it.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 7:47 a.m. CST

    marquis de side

    by the new transported man

    Yeah, & in the 1970s & 1980s we still had a middle class. Simpler times.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Robocop=Judge Dredd and...Deathlok

    by Stalkeye

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 7:53 a.m. CST

    You burnt the F@ckin munnnnayyyy!! *arsekick*

    by steve lee

    what about predatorS? oh yeah...that was pretty nack!! shame about rodriguez, the intent is there but not quite the skill/execution, that's not to say i could do better, tho i may be able to, heh...

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 7:53 a.m. CST

    what's da mattah?

    by the new transported man

    da CIA got you pushing too many pencils?

  • Then for the blu-ray you can just un-blur it. Additionally you can bleep and then un-bleep the curse words. I was watching some R rated movie on tv and they were bleeping stuff and I could follow just fine. Now of course you're gonna find people just waiting for the good version to come out on blu. Hey. I do that with most movies anyway. Who am I? I am the guy who bought every movie you ever made Hollywood. On laserdisc, DVD, D-Theater, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. I just stumbled across my never watched hd-DVD boxset of the the matrix trilogy the other day. Ya know what? You have fucked me in the ass for my trouble and expense. Glad I collected the good shit while it lasted.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 7:58 a.m. CST

    great british dubovers cont.

    by steve lee

    speaking of p.c. gone mad, my fave has to be ghostbusters: "wally-wick here turned off the power grid... oooooooh, cutting!!" prob.not word for word, twas a while ago, but defo. wally wick!!

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST

    dillaaaaan!!!

    by steve lee

    you sunuffabitchh.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST

    People are underestimating Predator?

    by Nerd Rage

    The way the predator is taking out this elit group of he-men was just badass. Then you have the final act where Dutch goes toe to toe with an amazingly real looking creature. It's one of the best villain reveals in history. The way it builds to the mind-blowing climax is perfect. I actually rate is slightly higher than Robocop because the predator is so believable. It was the perfect mix of what we love about sci-fi and action based guy movies. Look at the cast, the music, the effects, the screenplay, the execution. Lightning in a bottle. Nuff said.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 8:03 a.m. CST

    u tropped us all in ter meatgrindeur!!

    by steve lee

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST

    jean-claude-van-damme-porn-mustache

    by steve lee

    norris is bustin outta that van damme shell, woochaaaa!!

  • Because the sequels typically don't do as well, there's a smaller audience for them, and they're expensive to make.

  • When I was a kid I saw literally every movie that came out in the theater no matter the rating. The resulting information created a veritable genius who left town and went on to create some of your best technology and visual effects films. I was always more intelligent than anyone around me because in those days the only way to get info into your head was movies and books and nobody saw or read more than me. In this age it seems parents think it's a good idea to curtail knowledge from entering their children's minds. It's sad, sick, lost thinking at it's finest.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 8:07 a.m. CST

    believable predator?

    by steve lee

    yeah, i gotta say that was one awesome rubber suit, the only bit i whince at are his bendy fingers when hes takin his meds, chortle!!

  • But too many of them failed to become blockbusters. Hollywood eventually gave up.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Modern Expensive Action Films

    by Battybrain

    There's no disputing studios the fact that an expensive film almost has to be PG-13 because of its cost-- but the real question is: why do these films cost so much? I'd argue that its because directors and studios have become convinced people want the insane sequences like MI-4's Dubai tower scene. Or the stupefying car chases of Die Hard 4. Or yes, Transformer's Wall of FX school of Blowing Stuff Up. The link between them: the diminished importance of character development (MI4 notwithstanding). The common link in the films Nordling talks about here (or Die Hard, Aliens, etc) is the character. Does anyone remember even a single character name of the guys in the squirrel suits from TF3? Hell, the character names of any of the Marines from all three movies? The real trick is a movie like Drive. Gory, brutal violence, yes, but characters that we care about. Someone that you want to watch, and will remember. That scorpion jacket is just as evocative as a blood/grime stained undershirt and bare feet (no comment about film quality intended). Drive cost $15 million, and made $35M in the US alone. And it has the best car chases since Ronin (another good example of a great, small scale action film). The determining factor of the quality of the film remains the writing, and the characters. If the bones are there, the virtuoso camera moves become less important. But if the story isn't there... something has to compensate, and even if its someone like Cameron directing, you get Avatar. Neat to watch, but ultimately dull and unsatisfying. @ V'shael: Aside from the logistical burden of keeping straight the separate prints (digital or otherwise) of two separate films on the theater companies, yes it is too expensive for the studios to do this, and without any reward. People go see the PG-13 movie anyway, and more of them do so, so why take the risk of an additional cut, for so little reward?

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Robocop is and always shall be my favorite movie of all time.

    by UltraTron

    More good memories surround it than any other.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 8:16 a.m. CST

    marvel action flix

    by steve lee

    i tend to agree, all the recent marvel movies suffer from that rushed-out, unpolished feel too that makes them feel somewhat hollow, although i take the argument they're a bit of a cynical build up to avengers, but i think i can sum it up that all the final showdowns between the main hero/villain battle sequences are completely too short and unmemorable although i did quite like iron mans death laser daisy cutter finisher in 2

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Our sensibilities haven't changed.

    by Rob Jenson

    That's not the reason movies aren't R anymore. The main reason is that movie studios are owned by massive conglomerates that adhere to the risk-avoidance strategy. That's pretty much it. Now, them putting out tamer fare for decades has had a general dumbing-down and taming-down effect on the culture. Sort of like brainwashing. And it's true that this has changed some people's sensibilities, but the bigger threat is that the new generation is brought up on this tamer fare, which is generally not just tamer but inferior, and now what they expect is not Predator or Robocop but Transformers and Prince of Persia. OUR sensibilities haven't changed that much. But theirs are FORMED this way.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 8:24 a.m. CST

    I long for Hollywood to learn that CGI . . .

    by Rob Jenson

    . . . does not equal good action. Give us smaller-budgeted, harder movies with practical effects and you will get a higher return on your investment. $200 mil movies often struggle to make their money back and some just don't. But take that same concept for a movie, get a good writer and director working without so many restraints (meaning R is possible), but with practical effects to bring the cost down (and to make it a better movie) and you might end up with a new Predator, Robocop, Terminator, etc., which have made far more ROI than Prince of Persia.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 8:27 a.m. CST

    scifi action? yep, the 80's spoiled us!!

    by steve lee

    could it be that these particular action flix so nailed their genre, that anything similar is just going to fall short or be accused of a rehash? i mean we already have alien/aliens, 2 completely different takes using the same basic concept that were so well executed that we dont really need them replaced or updated, i think maybe theres a case that most things have been done already and done extremely well...not to say i dont hold out hope for great innovative stuff in the future of action sci fi, but i reiterate that it'll be extremely tough to make people sit up and take notice apart from if they're crapping on your favourite series with reboots/sequels/prequels!!

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 8:28 a.m. CST

    If you think that it was "evil" big corporations that killed Detroit

    by Pete Michaelson

    Detroit, much like New Orleans, is the result of the left's worst agendas put into practice. If you really think that Robocop is a good primer on economic theory, then you really need to stick to movie reviews and not try your hand at political commentary.

  • ............cop....'

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST

    use of cgi

    by steve lee

    i'll always take practical fx where possible yeah, but when in the right hands (district 9) it can be amazing, use it sparingly and preferably not on organic stuff, that's why the prawns worked, they are essentially mainly armoured looking! blood n giblets still too gloopy and shiny, they stuggle with the mass on bigger creatures too, still too floaty! Having said that, gotta give props to the blue man group of avatar, its certainly getting there, just gotta be someone who knows what they're doing!! Hate the flik tho, snooz-fest!! love to see how robocop would have looked had they had cg back in the day, ed-209 would have moved a bit more smoothly but thats the only criticism i have about robo visually, (oh and dick jones 20 foot-long arms when he takes a tumble at the end)

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 8:50 a.m. CST

    He's using the trees.

    by the new transported man

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 8:54 a.m. CST

    1987 was a great year..check out my robocop and predator designs...

    by zom-bot.com

    i've got some retro-foreign posters for them here if anyone is interested. not trying to plug shamelessly, but coincidentally robocop and predator are my top sellers, so i think that says a lot about their fan base... http://tinyurl.com/6vmt2ld

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST

    HE DIDN'T DISAPPEAR! HE WAS SKINNED ALIVE!!!

    by Darth Busey

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST

    WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE.

    by Darth Busey

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST

    HE'S LOST IT. THE MAN'S LOST HIS COOL.

    by Darth Busey

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Ah yes, RoboCop

    by Essemtee

    My "cool" mom rented RoboCop for me and my stepbrother, even when my stepmother wouldn't allow it. Damn movie broke both our brains, but in a good way! There was as much laughing hyterically as there was recoiling in disgust. And yeah, we rewound and rewatched the melting guy getting splattered by the car scene. Murphy's POV scenes were really effective in that after all the surgeries, drilling in four corners, and drunken parties, you just wanted to see what the guy looked like. And you got a tiny glimpse in a nearby monitor he walked past. Nowadays, t's a genuine surprise to see "Rated R" at the end of an action movie trailer.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Robocop was my 1st ever 18 rated movie. I was 14.

    by 5secondfuse

    I watched it alone on VHS on a day off school. I didn't even know we had it but my Dad rented it out from the video store the night before and watched it. When he told me I could watch it I knew it was going to be a watershed moment in my life. I sat there watching Robocop in a transfix. Total awe, shockingly violent and funny. Just scene after scene that I'll never forget. Burned into my 14 year old head for all time. The 1st time Ed209 walks in towards the camera I reeled back, then the carnage that follows. The movie is simply beyond awesome and had an impact on me that I haven't really had since. Classic story, Classic characters and a script to die for. To this day it's still my favourite movie ever and Verhoven will always be a God to me. The fact it went before the board 11 times before it was made R makes it even greater. It's a sorry state of affairs that Hollywood hasn't got the balls to make this kind of movie anymore because of a sensitive pussy world. I saw Predator a few months after Robocop and it blew me away. EPIC GLORIOUS ACTION CLASSIC. It's still the ultimate beer night in with the lads movie. It's Arnies greatest movie I think and he'll never be better than he was in this. LONG LIVE THE AMAZING 80's.

  • Ya know? Like everything created before digital was. You like that huh? I mean I like goofy godzilla movies too. Oh sorry. I forget you don't have a point.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Kurtwood Smith as Boddiker

    by IamZardoz

    pretty much was one of the best bad guys in film, right up there with Frank Booth

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST

    You a good cop, hot shot?....You must be some kind of, Great cop...

    by skycrapper

    So glad my Dad let my brother and I watch these when we under age.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Predator's hidden star was Jesse the Body Ventura

    by skycrapper

    With his tobbaco spitting, gattlin gun wielding badass. "Bunch'a slack jawed ..."

  • probably hasn't left their home since 1992.

  • He's been around all these years and OCP has never been able to successfully re-create him. However cloning technology has advanced to a point where they can now clone Murphy a new body and transplant his nervous system back into it completely restoring Murphy to his old self. OCP has no intention of allowing this to happen to their company mascot. Now Robocop faces his greatest battle and the stakes are nothing short of restoring his body and being able to return to his family. Ladies and gentlemen I bring you Robocop Ultra.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Robocop Ultra: The Ultra Future of Law Enforcement

    by UltraTron

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 9:40 a.m. CST

    It's the only way to close this story and bring it full circle.

    by UltraTron

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST

    I believe that line is buncha slack jawed faggots.

    by UltraTron

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Sardonic

    by one9deuce

    You're either 15 years old or totally ignorant. Or both. It has nothing to do with nostalgia, genre movies were just better then. I can think of 5 undisputed classics from 1975 to 1987 for every ONE you can name from 1988 to now. Shit, there are more genre classics from 1982 alone than from the last 20 years. There are some great genre films from the 90's and beyond, JURASSIC PARK and THE MATRIX are two obvious examples, but they are few and FAR between. Just the fact that we are talking about ROBOCOP and PREDATOR 25(!) years later is proof of their status as classics. It's not rose colored glasses, it's just the way it is. Just like Mustangs and Corvettes from the 1960's are better than Mustangs and Corvettes from the 1970's. Not nostalgia, a stone cold fact.

  • ...for me at least. Yeah, I love Predator too (saw it twice at the flicks), but Campbell did the majority of those stunts himself. In terms of sheer ingenuity, those guys worked bloody miracles on that budget. Also, imo, the film is far more quotable... 'workshed!'

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Bitches leave!

    by Zardoz

    So I can shoot this guy in the kneecap and blow him up with a grenade!

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Here I'll give you guys your correct response:

    by UltraTron

    Holy shit Ultratron that really IS the best idea we've ever heard anyone want to do with the robocop franchise. Please give UltraTron money to make that.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Asimovlives

    by one9deuce

    I didn't say the golden age of filmmaking was 1975-1987, I said the golden age of GENRE filmmaking was 1975-1987.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST

    melonman

    by AsimovLives

    i agree with your high opinion of the 90s, there were a lot of exceptional good movies made then, even by the studios! small wonder, so many of those good movies made in the 90s were throwbacks to the best of the 70s cinema. The downfall of the 90s nstarted with the return of Jerry Bruckheimer and Don Simpson from their self-imposed exile thanks to the megaflopping of DAYS OF THUNDER. They returned, they brough with them this shitweasel called Michael Bay, they brough back the worst of 80s action movies with huge budgets and MTV visual sheen, and the rest is misery, i mean, history. there are birhgt spots in today's cinema. not everythignis lost. we still have Christopher Nolan making this huge but smart blockbusters. So far he has cornered the market of the intelligent blockbuster, but mayeb with some luck he will help open the doors to tother inteligent filmmakers who will bring back some glory and respectability to the blockbuster type movie. As Coppolla once helped opene the gates of Hollywood to the then called New Hollywood generation, maybe Nolan can help that happen too and slowly a new renascnse in studio filmmaking will happen. And if not, well, we still have this pearls to enjoy. and each of this good movies are more worthy then 100 michael bay shitmovies. enjoying good movies actually pays off, if you ask me.

  • can cause massive brain trauma from excessive wearing. Specially those tunned to the 1980s.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Two classics

    by I am_NOTREAL

    Predator by a nose if you're putting 'em head to head. I loved the Dirty Dozen-meets-Alien angle and always felt like Robocop started running out of gas in the late going. I had hopes for Predators and it started well enough, but once the script gave the characters about 30 seconds of awe at the fact they were on an alien planet I knew it wasn't gonna fly.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST

    The early chopper scene in PREDATOR...

    by Logan_1973

    ...when they are all interacting while in transit to the jungle, has more character development in 4 minutes than EXPENDABLES had in 2 hours. FACT.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 10:02 a.m. CST

    And another thing...

    by Logan_1973

    Try getting "slack jawed faggot" passed in todays movies.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST

    The Reason Why Films arent like the Old Days

    by LoLWut

    Internet. That is the BIGGEST reason, that and Globalization, now we have access to films from all over at the touch of our fingertips.This makes the "Big Studios" nervous and they are less likely to take risks on big projects.They used to recoup any sort of loss in the locked VHS market in the 80's since the majority of chains that rented had to sign licensing agreements with the "Big Studios" and gave them a cut. This is also the reason why everything now is a remake or a reboot, it's the name brand recognition that drives them to this, it is safe money AND if it fails then not one person is to blame, THIS is what the PUBLIC WANTED according to the stats the suits have! How could it FAIL?! But I digress, we will never see that sort of creative spark again on the big screen maybe from smaller companies that use Digital Distribution but not from the "Big Studios". Even then with so many outlets and choices that consumer has a lot of great films fall thru the cracks and will never be seen.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    ROBOCOP: Great. PREDATOR: ...

    by rhaemye

    I liked Predator a lot, the first time. Saw it again a few months ago and hated it. I guess I don't agree on the 'backstory' argument, I like backstories. There is much to gain from a (non-cliché) past, of Dutch as well as the Predator. Now it's just a let's-go-into-the-forest-and-shoot-some-guns-at-an-invisible-alien movie. For the record, I still think the Predator's the most ridiculous alien ever to walk on screen. So stupid and ugly, such a bad costume. Robocop: Great movie. Also seen it again like a year ago.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Cost Of Production / Aggressive Times

    by THX1968

    I disagree on a few counts here, Nadling. First, the Cold War was kiddie play compared to the age of terrorism we live in today. Indeed, I have a fondness for the Cold War. The fall of the Soviet Union gave rise to terrorism. If anything, our social consciousness is more aggressive than ever. There should be a plethora of high octane action flicks. As for the cost of an action film, it all comes down to how you pull it off. For every Terminator 2, there was 5 of Tango & Cash (a personal guilty pleasure). There was plenty of room for the super-budget event action film, as well as the micro budget action film. It became a "my dick is bigger contest" and the micro budget action film disappeared along with the demise of Cannon Films. One cannot discuss action films without mentioning the genius of Cannon Films. Study up on these guys. Golan and Globus made TONS of movies and not all of them action flicks. If all they had made was the insanely awesome "Revenge of the Ninja" I still would be a fan for life. These things don't have to be so expensive to produce, but the mentality is to always do what the other guy is doing, and the other guy has a lot of (expensive, very expensive) CGI, among other things. Take Green Lantern for example. A third of the CGI budget was dedicated to the fucking generated costumes. Why not put the principals in actual tactile costumes? Beats me, but it sure would have looked better and would have been a fuck of a lot cheaper. The genre is dominated by super heroes right now, and that requires expensive spectacle. It isn't enough to shoot guns and drive through an exploding fruit cart while slinging memorable one liners anymore. Refn's "Drive" is the one film I've seen recently to come close to the glory days of the action film. Throw in a few big ass explosions and you're there, and Drive didn't cost a fortune to make.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST

    I actually stayed in the theater after Robocop....

    by ufoclub1977

    and me and my friends watched it again. It's the perfect b-movie rated R superhero movie. Predator was great because it was shot on location! Also had the schlocky retro alien design from old pulp comics... but that's okay, It had an edge in it's intensely engrossing plot and violence and aggressive attitude. And the location!

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    one9deuce

    by AsimovLives

    lost of great genre mo vies were made in the 1965-1983 period. Ever heard of 2001: A SPACE ODDYSSEY? It's a pretty good SF movie.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Summer of 1987 also had DePalma's Untouchables,

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    The Witches Of Eastwick, Innerspace, Harry and the Hendersons, The Living Daylights and The Lost Boys. It's no summer of '82, but it ain't bad...

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Fucking love Predator....WHAT A MOVIE!!!!

    by marineboy

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 11:53 a.m. CST

    thx1968 is corret, action movies aren't necessarily expensive

    by Spandau Belly

    DRIVE is an excellent example. APOCALYPTO is another excellent example. A movie can be thrilling without endless effects or even big name stars. Simple stunts and suspenseful sequences can be performed for very little money.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST

    They definitely don't make them like this anymore

    by Wcwlkr

    Don't get me wrong I still love some action movies from nowadays. But I'm 31 now and I remember the first times when I actually saw Predator and Robocop as a teen they blew my mind! Especially Predator, and Robocop was just awesome.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST

    My first Robocop viewing

    by tohn007

    was at the Cineplex Odeon at Universal City Walk. My mother and godmother took me to see it. I don't think they knew how violent it was going to be. Seeing Murphy get body parts blown off of him and the guy exploding after being hit by the car blew my mind. Classic flick. I'm glad I had a cool mom, who wasnt afraid to expose me to certain films at a young age. Hell, she took me to see Purple rain in 84 and I got my first look at some tits on screen. Thank you Apolonia!

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Seriously?!

    by Jeff England

    Predator and Robocop classics? They're good movies, especially for the time, but classics? The Wild bunch is a classic and the Magnificent Seven (The Seven Samurai even more so) is a classic. Predator and Robocop are popcorn flicks, nothing more. And putting Robocop in the same sentence as Dr. Strangelove is just plain foolish.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    pg-13 was new

    by percane

    something folks aren't really talking about here is that prior to 1984 PG-13 DID NOT EXIST. i remember when a PG rated movie could have nudity in it. you never see that anymore either! so in 1987, hollywood hadn't finished figuring out what to do with pg-13, it was still new. i guarandamntee you, if it had been introduced in the 1970s, then by 1987 they would have been under the same pressure they are now to get the films under that rating. as some others have said, money is also a huge issue. yeah district 9 was great, and it was cheap BUT it had noone in it. it was made by a nobody director with a nobody cast. as soon as you get someone like james cameron or michael bay behind the camera, and someone like bruce willis or tom cruise in front of the camera, the cost skyrockets. the folks don't just want to see hard action films, they want to see them with the stars they love, and that costs money.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Yes, Asimovlives

    by one9deuce

    2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY is not only a great genre film, but a film masterpiece period. One of the great cinema experiences of my life, in 70mm at the Seattle Cinerama 4 or 5 years ago. But I am not coming up with a lot of great genre films from 1965 to 1975. Care to expand your examples? I'm genuinely curious what you are thinking for that period.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    @one9deuce

    by percane

    the original planet of the apes (1968) even today it's one of my favorite all time sci fi movies, i can watch it over and over

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Robocop's "Detroit" exteriors

    by Johnny_Q_Peabody

    I watched Robocop a couple of nights ago. I never noticed anything inn particular about the location exteriors when it first came out, having no experience with either Dallas or Detroit at the time. Seeing it now, after having lived in Dallas for 10+ years, it amuses me how obvious it is that the exterior shots are Dallas. You'd think they could've tried to avoid obvious landmarks like Reunion tower. Doesn't take anything away from the movie, just an fun side note. It's still one of my favorites.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    jae684

    by Billy_D_Williams

    dont get confused. Predator and Robocop are classics OF THE GENRE, meaning the they fall into a category of filmmaking with certain peers...other action movies like Commando, The Running Man, Action Jackson, etc...of THAT GENRE, they are classics. Of course you wouldn't compare fucking Robocop to Citizen Kane (a drama) or even The Wild Bunch (a western), because they're different films.

  • Neumeier is a genius. His subversive piss takes are the sort of films most script writers can only dream of wiriting. Verhoeven's over the top style suits Robocop perfectly and the scene of Murphy's death is just brutal. When Boddicker's gang blow his arm off and just laugh about it, that is pretty duisturbing stuff.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST

    ultratron toys outta pram

    by steve lee

    i was talking in terms of cgi if you care to actually read what i said before going off on one, of course there are crud practical effects, im just talking about things that have proven to be tricky to pull off in cgi, sheeesh, someone gets the arseache easily...

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Damn I love this article.

    by The Real McClane

    Nordling, not only have you spoken for us all, it gives us an awesome platform to keep on celebrating the shit out of these outstanding movies. PREDATOR shaped me. ROBOCOP inspired me. Keep these fucking articles coming.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST

    percane: pg-13 was new

    by Johnny_Q_Peabody

    something folks aren't really talking about here is that prior to 1984 PG-13 DID NOT EXIST. i remember when a PG rated movie could have nudity in it. you never see that anymore either!

  • want some candy?

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    percane: pg-13 was new

    by Johnny_Q_Peabody

    All my comments below the quote got left out somehow. Sorry. Anyway, I said that even a significant number of G rated movies from the seventies would probably be upped to PG today. The whole MPAA ratings system was less than 20 years old in 1987, so there was still a lot of movement in the whole things. If we also take into account industry and societal changes in that period (and those things are always happening, of course) who knows how an older-at-the-time PG-13 rating would have played out. Interesting speculation.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST

    although....

    by steve lee

    embarrassing for pred to be taken down by an out of shape, too old for dis shit, wheezy cop!! dont be underestimatin' the glover!!

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Robocop

    by Lemmys_E_string

    Christ, I lived and breathed that film when it arrived. It just ticked all my geeky, cynical buttons...helped in no small measure by the fact that Barry Norman, the U.K's "voice of cinema" at the time hated it. Being a Brit, the Dredd influences were all to obvious and the film itself could have stepped out of the pages of 2000AD. The local fleapit/grindhouse/shithole cinema had it on and I think one week I must have watched it six days out of seven. Though that may have been because of my puberty and tat girls arse in the Falmers jeans advert that was showing during the film at the time. The whole vibe of those films will never be recapture, the audience and the film makers are too knowing and contrived these days. Time to dig the film poster back out!

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    one9deuce - here's my rundown between '65 and '75

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    In addition to the already mentioned 2001 and Planet Of The Apes there's....Farenheit 451, THX 1138, Rollerball, Westworld, Seconds, Andromeda Strain, Clockwork Orange, Solaris...any others?

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST

    bazza norman

    by steve lee

    aaah, bazza...another in the long line of pretentious arthouse luvvin' film critics...yep, the yanks dont know what they're missing with some of the dredd stories, easily up there with some of the finest U.S. titles with a wondererful satirical wit!!

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    google check :'72 for silent running

    by steve lee

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Asimov, you truly have NO shame.

    by Dave

    You just had to come into this TB and cut down a guy (whom I personally have never cared for much on this site) who wrote a hearfelt, well written piece and basically tell him what an idiot he is. Then, as usual, you tell those who love 80's cinema what assholes we all are for liking it because YOU think it is shit. just because you think it doesn't make it fact pal. The day you cease to be a pompous, arrogant jerk, the earth may very well stop turning. No one in this TB cares what you think about the 90's, and that you hate the 80's, go spew your vile shit somewhere else friend.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    smoking_weed_with_salacious_crumb

    by AsimovLives

    a n idiot? whwre i did that? are you trying to get intoa fight and ivent bulshit for it? what are you, the internet version of the obnoxious asshole at the bars who want to pick up fights and find bullshit exiucses for doing so? get real, pal! yiu know who should feel shame? you for your acting like a sanctimonious ass. Oh please, somebody disagree with a review/opinion/whatever, he has to be evil and bad! fuck off! if youhad actually bother to read my posts, you can tell i also share and enjoy both PREDATOR and ROBOCOP. i even doubledip on the ROBOCOP's D, one is the Criterion collectio nand the other is the UK special edition, which has a whole different set of extras including a whole new audio track comentary by Verhoeven and others. so i don't buy all that notion that the fucking 80s was a golden age of fucking movies. i sure call on that. i have good reasons, i lived though that, i knew the shit thatwent through back in the day, so, i find this nostlagia googles infected notion that there was some golden age in cinema in the 80s to be presposterous. you think all ideas should go unchallenged and that faorums should only be populate be people who agre with each other? get real! shame on you!

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Both awesome, lean, tight, full-blooded classics. They haven't aged.

    by Mr Nicholas

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    How about Omega Man...

    by eustisclay

    ...Soylent Green, Dark Star, and A Boy And His Dog/

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST

    one9deuce

    by AsimovLives

    I did say between 1965 to 1983, so that i can include such great Sf movies like Blade Runner, The Thing, Wrath Of Khan among so many of the great stuff made at that time. I see also those movies as a continuation of a certain philosophy toward making SF that was not jst entertaimeing but also smart and thematic ambitious. This is why i created this time space. Robocop is like a child of those timeline that got late to the party and did arrived, the the enjoyment of the fandom. But then again, the first time Robocop was put in develpement was in 1983. the movie just took a little while to reach the screens. Our friend with the kickass nickname openthepodbaydoorshal provided a good list of great SF movies made in the period between 2001 and the year of the release of JAWS. Of those i would also like to include COLOSSUS: THE FORBIN PROJECT. openthepodbaydoorshal mentioned SECONDS, the John Frankenheimer movie. Not only i have to second that, but i also have to play the cheerleader for that movie. it's just a brillant, brilant, movie. And in some ways, THE MANCHIRIAN CANDIDATE couls also be counted in, even though it's a 1964 movie. the brainwashing element in the movie does help also put it into the SF cathegoy together with the paranoid conspiracy thriller it belongs. the beauty of Sf is that even if it's elements are subtle, they are enough to make a story belong to the genre.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    SILENT RUNNING is a 1971 movie, so it counts.

    by AsimovLives

    funny thing is that many people call it a hippy movie, bjut if one watches it closely, it's a far more complex movie then that. it is not for nothing that the movie seems to have the character who presumadly has the higher moral groun to be portait as a very unsympathetic, rude, bash and aggressive personality, while all the other crew members, who might just seem callous, are in fact just ordinary joes who are fed up with their long run in a job that they don't like and have families back home who they mis terribly. and it's the protagonist that proves to be capable of mjurder and aggression. he, the flowerpower boy! SILENT RUNNING, it's easy to just classify it merely as a hippy movie. however, there's far more complexity to it then if one just watches as if watching some dumb michael bay movie. the movie is far more then just meets the eye. though admitadly, the joan baez songs are gratting like hell!

  • i literally run from the theater to my pals' house, just tot ell it all, this maazing movie i had seen which was so fucking aesome! and in my enthusiasm, i could barely create a good image of the movie i did watched. suffice to say,my pals were incredibly skeptical of the movie, no small thanks to my failed atemps to explain why it was so good. they did eventualy went to watch it because there wa nothing else of the Sf genre to see. and they were as blow away by the movie as me. it became one of our favorite Sf movies of the time, and we couldn't just stop talking about it. we quoted lines from the movie, we comented on the movie, we were blown away! then the same week i read a review by a established film critic, and the dude called it a great Sf movie, of the same vein of BLADE RUNNER. i felt such vindication! Yeah, ROBOCOP was a keeper!

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    backstories

    by Eric Strauss

    Nordling is dead on about back stories. But I'd go one step further and say that backstories - ORIGIN stories - are killing these new comic book heroes as well. So much screen time - entire movies - are wasted on what essentially is back story. The problem is once you do that, you have no time to flesh out the present/current story. Example - SO much time was dedicated to Capt America's backstory that when he finally emerged as Capt America and was ready to take on Red Skull, the whole thing was rushed and frankly I couldn't care less about it. Think Raides of the Lost Ark, because IJ is in many ways a super hero with dual identities, etc. There's no origin story there. We hear bits and pieces over the course of 3 films, and we get a couple of mini sequences that help explain him, again over 3 films. That's it. Raiders is a present tense story. We have TIME to develop character interactions, villians and their motives, story, etc. It's not a race to the finish that begins at the start of Act 3. And that film was incredible! The Bourne Series is similar in this respect, in some ways. Every now and then an origin film works - Casino Royale kicked ass. Batman Begins was phenomenal, but that worked because everything - character, villians, story, etc. all came full circle. So in a way it was all a present tense story. I for one am fairly done with these ridiculous comic book heroes and the poor story telling that goes along with them. Time for a new action genre to begin.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    predator C64

    by steve lee

    anyone remember it? that ranks highly as a soul-crushing moment, sorry if i dredged up bad memories for anyone else!! robocop arcade tho, come on!!!!! braaaaap, braaaap, ed 209 lumbers off shrieking, aaah bliss!!

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST

    great article

    by misnomer

    Never thought of those parallels before...(Robocop overcoming his programming as a parallel to escaping the corporatism that plagues Verehovens future. ) I hope the new Dredd movie gives us something close.... Predator is one of my favourite films of all time. If not the favourite. I think you've hit the nail on the head there! I loved Predators too, but it's a very different kind of film. Like you mentioned, that movie has the modern writing ethos where concepts are piled on top of concepts and dialogue is detached and observational. Simple stories like Predator are great. Make the point and make it well with a good old fashioned bit of naturalism...

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Asimov, please, stop.

    by Dave

    I guess you are of such small mind that everything has to be spelled out for you? No, you didn't SAY Nordling was an idiot, you didn't have to actually say it. No one said you had to love the 80's, just stop shitting on people who do. Different opinions? I welcome them. Just not yours...well, let me clarify. I would welcome your different opinions, if you didn't present them as fact, and that is what you do. I never said all ideas should go unchallenged either, YOU put those words in my mouth, something else you are notorious for. Good arguments are fine, and can even be fun. When people with rational thoughts and tolerance for different opinions are involved. You are not that kind of person. "Oh please, somebody disagree with a review/opinion/whatever, he has to be evil and bad!" Funny how that bothers you, because it is exactly how you are with people who disagree with you. Someone likes a movie you hate, and you hurl insults, or talk to them in a condescending fashion, trying to make them feel like an idiot for liking something you don't. Yet someone, anyone, does the same thing to you, and you call them a sanctimonious ass. You are the biggest hypocrite on this site. Does that spell everything out for you? Hmmmm? Anything else need clarifying or explanation?

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST

    my story avbout PREDARTOR, however, was quite differently.

    by AsimovLives

    i didn't watched it in the theaters. and i didn't because it was an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. This movie came out after COMMANDO and RAW DEAL, two movies which i had despised. Arnold for me at the time was this bad copy of Sly Stallone. Which at the time was his career. This upstart trying to eat dfrom the same plate as Sly. And not only i detested the type of action movies of sly, but Arnold's action movies ever cut from an ever lower clouth. All good will i had with Arnold thanks to CONAN THE BARBARIAN and THE TERMINATOR was killed off by his choices afterwards. The title of the move sounded just presposterous. So he was first Commando, and now he'sthe predator. fuck, the poster of the movie was arnold with a gun. not only he ws not evne more then jsut a commando, now he was a predator. Arnold was PREDATOR!! Fucking unbelievable cheese! To compreend why we though the movie as such, there had been pratically no promotion in regard to this movie expct the posters and it's own title and who was the star. the move had got so airplay on TV, minimal radio coverage, nobody did much of an effort to sell it. we just didn't knew what it was. My friends felt the same, WTF is this movie, so we all gave it a pass. Except one. This guys was dating a girl and he wanted to go with the movies with her and he went to the only available movie he could find. By mere chance, it was PREDATOR. Months later, he told us about this movie called PREDATOR with Arnold, that it started with an alien ship flybying near earth and dropping an alien hunter who used invisibility clocking devices to hunt humans and his vision was in infared, jumping from trees and killing this squad of badasses one by one. We realised me miscalculated the movie and wanted to watch it on his recomendation, but by then the movie was long gone from circulation. A year later, the movie was released in VHS. None of us had VRC players, they were still extremely expensive back in the day. but this one videl rental house had the habit of running whole movies on a TV they had on the store window, so me and a pal got to watch the whole movie for free. And we loved it. we couldn0t jsut stop talking about it, and reciting the lines from the movie, all that stuff. As soon one of us mannaged to get a VCR player, PREDATOR was one of our rentals. It was a friends event, watching it finally all together. we loved it. to this day we still quote it.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST

    PREDATOR 2 is quite a decent movie on it's own right.

    by AsimovLives

    And it has a great cast. and gthe change of enviroment to the urban jungle was actually quite a clever idea. And it gave us the great line "want some candy?". the only negative thing i have to say about PREDATOR 2 is that, just becasue the art department decided just for a laught to include an alien skul in the trophey room of the alien ship, it gave rise to the whole ALIEN VS PREDATOR thing. While many say that the comcis and the video games turned out to be quite decent, the same cannot be said about the fucking movies, can it? The fucking AVP movies does rob some of the col from PREDATOR 2, hindsight being a bitch and all that.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST

    smoking_weed_with_salacious_crumb

    by AsimovLives

    fuck off.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST

    by choppah

    by AsimovLives

    It pisses me off when people dismiss ROBOCOP as just another cheesy action flick.

  • Me too, brother. How can people actually miss the social comentary and pall the satire that's such an integral part of the film? it's not like the movie is very subtle about it, is it? peopemwho only see ROBOCOP as just a collection of action scenes have to be spectaculary obtuse. too many michael bay movies in their dietry, i bet.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Awwwww.....Asimov told me to fuck off....

    by Dave

    He just HATES it when people make points he can't dispute. Have a nice day friend!

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    by Dave

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Robocop, Total Recall, Starship Troopers

    by Laserhead

    I think of Robocop as the first of a trilogy that includes Total Recall and Starship Troopers. Verhoeven's sci-Fi captalist satires spiked with ultraviolence. Always thought it closer to the original Rollerball than anything in Dark Knight Returns. Love both Robocop and the first Rollerball, but obviously Verhoeven's is the superior film.

  • EFNY,Blade Runner,Robocop,Terminator and Predator: Great concepts that gained a critical mass of cult following throughout and not to mention very orginal unlike today's films which are mostly based on comics, games and silly novels. God bless the 80's!

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Some great memories during the 80's. Oh boy another nostalgia binge for me

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    Seems like another lifetime ago that these movies came out. 1980's America is so different than today. Back then America was still a land of optimism and freedom along with economic opportunity. Nothing like that these days. It's all gone.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Hey lolwut. Ever read on the history of United Artists?

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    It was originally formed by such hollywood hall of fame types such as DW Griffith and Charlie Chaplin as a reaction to the interference of the coporate studios who were gutting their work like crazy. Why can't filmakers such as Tarantino, Peter Jackson, and Paul Anderson as an example try and create the same structure as United Artists did? They have the name recognition and capital to finance their projects. Or you would at least think so. Thoughts on this one?

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST

    One of the best scenes in Predator, was the near final moments..

    by Stalkeye

    ..wheras Dutch was the final prey needless to say most of that scene had very little dialog in turn, adding more suspense and even hunor: Just when Ducth thought The Alien would walk into his makeshift trap, the Predator realizes that Dutch's bluff is a set up and jumps into a different direction. Also, what made the "You are one ugly Motherfucker" line so damn funny was despite the predator being unable to decihper Human language, he knows an insult when he hears one. Classic.

  • It has its problems but it is in no way the atrocity that Predators is.Rodriguez had a lot of nerve when he claimed to the fans that his own,awful movie was the true sequel to the original.what an egotistical S.O.B

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Robocop 2 is not bad either.It has some interesting ideas

    by KilliK

    decent aciton scenes and a very cool cyborg villain but the problem was that Murphy's story was already told in the original Robocop.There was nothing else to explore or expand to.Murphy found his humanity back.The End. As Robocop 3,well,let's pretend this monstrosity never existed.

  • you can hate them as much as you want but the 80s is the pinnacle of the genre cinema.FACT.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST

    And contrary to the general consensus,i consider Arnold's

    by KilliK

    performance in Predator as the very best in his movie career,even better that his Terminator performance. The guy was literary acting in that movie,he was not pretending not having any emotions like in the T movies.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST

    When Murphy's hand gets destroyed.....

    by performingmonkey

    What a classic shock shot that is! No-one could fail to be stunned by that!!

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Saw this double feature at a drive-in...

    by Acappellaman

    Immediately after graduation, and since it was on a Friday night they played the first movie (Predator) a second time. One of the best nights of my life. the only thing missing was a girl to make out with between movies.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST

    The 80s WAS the best.

    by Rob Jenson

    I didn't appreciate them at the time. I knew they were magical, but the hair and fashion styles drove me nuts. But ever since then, in movie terms, things have been going down a long dark hole, and not the good kind.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Robocop is perfect pulp sci-fi

    by Mattman

    Not a single frame of that movie is wasted. The pacing is impeccable, the characters all memorable (even the smaller ones), and a great blend of humor and violence.

  • No, it was just a decade, that's all. I say this because i actually bother to watch movies made in different decades then the ones i have been alive.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST

    No arguing PLANET OF THE APES

    by one9deuce

    What a great movie. With an incredible score by Jerry Goldsmith and one of the great endings in cinema history. I can't understand anyone who doesn't agree on the 80's as the genre filmmaking pinnacle. This site is geek central and genre filmmaking is the subject 90% of the time, I wish I had a dollar for every time STAR WARS, INDIANA JONES, BLADE RUNNER, ALIENS, GHOSTBUSTERS, SUPERMAN, BATMAN, E.T., TERMINATOR, BACK TO THE FUTURE, PREDATOR, or ROBOCOP was mentioned in these talkbacks. I'd be a billionaire. Are there a lot of great genre films from other decades? Of course! A lot of great ones, many mentioned in this talkback. But it seems like most every geek property we discuss around here was either started in the 80's or had the lion share of its run in the 80's.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Sorry asimovlives, you know I generally respect your opinion, but

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    I never cared for Heat.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 4:25 p.m. CST

    mattman

    by AsimovLives

    I don't consider ROBOCOP to be pulp Sf at all. That sounds like some apolgetic excuse to like a flawed movie. ROBOCOP is not a flawed movie. ROBOCOP is not pulp SF. It is high SF, and ranks with the best. There's no need to feel apologetic to it. Love it with pride for the high SF that it is.

  • the same goes with me.I have watched movies from all the other decades,from a variety of cinematic genres and cinema schools. So if the above statement of yours is supposed to be an argument against my own statement that the 80s is the pinnacle of the genre cinema,then as you can understand it is a FAIL. And let me repeat it one more time: The 80s is the greatest decade for the entertainment/genre cinema.FACT.

  • He was a foreinger lokking in to american culture from an outside perspective. and that gave the movie a fel and a lok and attitude that it wouldn't had if the movie had been made by one of the usual studio american jorneyman filmmakers of the time. There is in ROBOCOP the look of a bemuze foreigner who is discovering american culture and finding some of the stuff so strange and funny. And the movie exagerates it up to 11. But let us not forget the contributrions form the screenwriters, shall we? In the audio comentary, one of them tells how he first come up with the idea. He was a middle level executive at Paramount during the late 70s,/early 80s, back in the time when Paramount started to implement with great force their HIGH CONCEPT style of filmmaking. Basically, dumbing down movies to create easy to consume products. The writer was listening to his fellow executives saying the most absurd insulting bullshit, and he felt so insulted by their drivel, he imagined a robot busting through the office doors and shooting all the executives inside. That daydream was the origin of not only that famous scene of the ED-209 malfunctioning and killing an executive, but also the whole genesis of ROBOCOP. Therefore, the satirical elements of ROBOCOP existed right from the start. Another thing that informed the mood of ROBOCOP to the writer who created it was the aparent cheapness of human life. He says in the Criterion DVD comentary that, despite we saying that human life is priceless,in the real world human life can be pretty cheap and tossed away for the mearest of excuses. How must a human life costs? people get killed when some assailant wants to carjack your car. people get killed for their watches. how much is worth a man's life? the price of a car, or a watch. this seemly low value t human life is what gave inspiration for the crapsack world depicted in ROBOCOP, which he felt was not that distant to reality, just heighned for dramatic effect.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 4:41 p.m. CST

    killik

    by AsimovLives

    not fact, just a reduced view. i have sene movies from al decades, so the 80s are not champion of anything, except, perhaps, it was the decade where the studios took most to the heart the notion that audiences are morons and movies should be made for stupids. however bad things look today, they were the same in the 80s. genre movies never had a golden age. they have been made sistematically throughout the very start of Hollywood history, ney, the start of cinema history. the 80s could be said in that it was the first decade where what once was B-movies became higher budgeted movies, to the point they became the A movies for the studios and their flagships. So, in this regard, if anything, today is the golden age of genre movies, because it's those who are now dominating studio film production and get the fatter budgets.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST

    grammaton cleric binks

    by AsimovLives

    Watch HEAT again then, please. It's one hell of a movie.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST

    one9deuce

    by AsimovLives

    most people coment of the 80s genre movies because of their age. this place is móstly populated by people in their 30s and early 40s. Those 80s movies are their references, not so much movies made before. And because people then to crystalize a notion of a golden age that corresponds to somewhere in their teenhood or young adulthood, this is why they have this nostalgia googles assitent bias toward the 80s and imagine it as a brighter decade then it was. the funny thing is, so often, the great genre movies much beloved by us made in the 80s are mentioning the exceptions. which, for me, kinda defeats the very notion of representation. exeptions are not the norm. but really how can you guys try to make an argument about the greatness of the 80s genre movies and not mention INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM? That's epic fail right there! How can i respect anybody's opinion that does not mention that movie? Do i even have to do the work for you, 80s heads? God, none of you even ever mentioned THE QUIET EARTH and you call yourselves 80s SF fans? Good lord!

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 4:51 p.m. CST

    PLANET OF THE APES (1968) score is sublime.

    by AsimovLives

    I don't think there was ever made such an avant-guarde experimental score for a major hollywod movie then or since. The whole score is an exercise in atonal music. It's beyond belief it was even alowed, much less acutally used in the movie. It's scores like those that makes me have an absolute respect for the talent of Jerry Goldsmith.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 4:53 p.m. CST

    PREDATORS is fucking awful... It's worse than AVP Requiem

    by Autodidact

    I can't think of anything good about it. There's not a single interesting shot, likeable character, and most glaringly not a single effective set piece or memorable action sequence in the whole goddamn movie. Robert Rodriguez made a disgracefully bad predator movie for the level of input and autonomy he was working with. I don't care about any budget constraints... the writer, cinematographer, and editor of PREDATORS should be shot and the director should suffer an anal fistula and then be shot.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Have to disagree with you, asimovlives

    by Rob Jenson

    The 80s did in fact rule the genre world. Have there been great movies before and after? Of course there have, and of course there will continue to be. But the 80s were the peak of genre filmmaking up to this point. The films made then have informed all genre films since then, and genre filmmaking today is very often just a shadow of what it was then. Rare exeptions like LOTR, The Dark Knight and even Avatar do not disprove this.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:02 p.m. CST

    bob1000

    by AsimovLives

    that's the problen with looking back with nostalgia in your eyes. 20 years from now, the kids who were raised watching movies of today will say the same thing you are saying about 80s movies, and there's no way you will be able to convicne them otherwise. And they will bring up the great exceptional movies made today which are the exceptions and conviniently overlook the majority of the tosh made. It's just the same thing over again. It is a generational thing and no mistake. The generation that came before us said the same thing. Do not think that there was something magically special about the 80s that made it superior to all others. That's vanity.

  • THE ABYSS was the last great genre film of the 80s, but I can't think of one that came out in 1988, so it's probably safe to say the greatest era came to an end in 1987 with the release of Robocop. I still remember the first time I saw a commercial for predator. I could scarcely believe that a movie so cool looking could possibly exist. I didn't get to see it until more than a year later when it was finally out on VHS. Back then it was uncommon for video stores to get more than one copy of anything, no matter how popular.

  • And did Robert Rodriguez directed it or was this other guy, an hungarian called Nimrod Antal?

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:07 p.m. CST

    You're right it was Nimrod Antal

    by Autodidact

    But under Rodriguez' aegis and overall creative barnshitting.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Nostalgia IS a dangerous way to look at movies.

    by Rob Jenson

    And sure, that's a part of it. But being objective, and looking at the high volume of crap that comes out now vs. the much lower volume of crap that came out in the 80s (and even much of the crap was highly entertaining -- Hell Comes to Frogtown, anyone? of course maybe that's not even crap) I can say with confidence that the 80s were superior. Part of it might be CGI. Nowadays they don't even bother having a script ready before they shoot. They know they can throw some money at the screen and get asses in seats with an exciting trailer. Back in the good ol' days (yeah yeah), movies typically had to actually be well written to be successful.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:17 p.m. CST

    80s movies tended to start with a filmmaker writing a script

    by Autodidact

    2010s movies mostly start as some dickhead's marketing project.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Assymuff it's totally worthless

    by Autodidact

    Look at it this way: I've rewatched AVP Requiem even though I hate it, just because it has aliens and predators in it. I will never watch Predators again. I'd honestly rather hold a hobo's dick while he pisses.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:20 p.m. CST

    I know this belongs in another talkback

    by TheAwareness

    but i think the main reason why Murry wont do Ghostbusters 3 is due to ivan reitmans involvement(as well as the writers of "Year One",id be hesitant as well.I bet all this "Damage control"being done by Dan Aykroid must look pathetic in his eyes,At least Have enough sense to bait the Murry into the fold with a worthy director,reitman isnt why Ghostbusters was great,and if it was that home run was hit along time ago Also who the fuck is writing this thing?some Twats from from the office and year one(Whew, could that even be possible after how bad that was) Raimis reitman and those cunts will sink this thing before it even sales Aykroid should be writing with the likes of Rhett Reese & Paul Wernick(zombieland)Their Deadpool script shows alot of promise,get a old pro like Aykroid around those guys and let them bounce ideas off each other and maybe they'll the the sturdy beginnings of a readable script.Just look at the list of credentials held by the writers at hand...... just look at it....done gauging your eyes out yet..good.combine that with the current stalemate the production finds itself languishing in ,taking what little i have into acount.. i bet that script taste like pure shit,rolled lovingly with care in sawdust

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Thought we were talking about action movies

    by NotEnoughBiehn

    the R rated, 'high octane' kind, of which yes, the best came out in the 80s. Best decade for genre films overall is another argument.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:33 p.m. CST

    @Asimov

    by KilliK

    not fact, just a reduced view. i have sene movies from al decades, so the 80s are not champion of anything, except, perhaps, it was the decade where the studios took most to the heart the notion that audiences are morons and movies should be made for stupids. however bad things look today, they were the same in the 80s. a reduced view? if anything else,you can be less of an arrogant prick and at least try to respect what others are telling you. I will repeat it FOR THE SECOND TIME: LIKE YOU,I HAVE WATCHED A LOT OF OTHER MOVIES FROM ALL OTHER DECADES.DO YOU UNDERSTAND? DO YOU GET IT? So FOR THE SECOND TIME I AM TELLING YOU no i dont have a reduced view,i am only expressing a mere fact,which a lot of other people share,and that is that THE 80s WHERE THE BEST DECADE FOR THE GENRE/ENTERTAINMENT CINEMA.FACT. = genre movies never had a golden age. they have been made sistematically throughout the very start of Hollywood history, ney, the start of cinema history. the 80s could be said in that it was the first decade where what once was B-movies became higher budgeted movies, to the point they became the A movies for the studios and their flagships. = Wrong.here is where you are making a big mistake.It is commonly acknowledged that the 70s was a golden age for the hardcore scifi,the disaster and the cop genre.The 50s and 60s was a golden age for the western and the war movies.The 80s was the golden age for the action,pulp scifi and the horror movies.and so on. Now i understand that there is an disagreement with the above categorizing and i dont object that,but you have to understand that every cinematic decade represents and is influenced by,its corresponding historical decade.That's why every cinematic decade has a distinct movie trend,cinematic style,cinematic school,the dominance of specific movie genres and specific movie star types and so on. You might argue that genre movies dont have a golden age but you must admit that before the 00s,and with the exception of the batman/superman movies,the super-hero comic-book movie genre was non-existant.and this fact alone defines the 00s as the golden age of this specific genre for the obvious reason. So, in this regard, if anything, today is the golden age of genre movies, because it's those who are now dominating studio film production and get the fatter budgets.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Predators was good!

    by Eric Strauss

    You guys are crazy. Predators was a completely decent follow up to Predator. Not NEARLY as good as the original. But better than all other sequels and spin offs. Predator 2 had some crazy ideas and was actually not bad in many places - in fact it was far more original than Predators. But I still say Predators was the best sequel.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST

    =Predators was good!= ONLY IF YOU ARE LOBOTOMIZED.!!

    by KilliK

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:36 p.m. CST

    =THE ABYSS was the last great genre film of the 80s=

    by KilliK

    FACT !!! Now Total Recall was filmed in 1989 and released in 1990 so technically you can say that it was the last great 80s genre without being wrong.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST

    We are talking about the greatness of 80s filmaking

    by TheAwareness

    Oh and casting anyone else beside murry is just pointless..it wont be Ghostbusters Along with the awesome concept behind the story, Murry is the the glue of this franchise,it not like casting austen kutcher 2 replace charle sheen,he,s the perfect "everyman"

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST

    killik

    by Rob Jenson

    True, genre movies these days ARE getting the big budgets, but what they're doing with those budgets is mostly stuff like Transformers and Prince of Persia. I favor reducing budgets and actually hiring writers, who are much cheaper than computer effects and make for better movies.

  • Still a masterpiece to this day. I quite like "Predator 2" aswell. And I've seen a hell of a lot worse movies than "Predators".

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    look these films werent expensive to make

    by awavey

    both were made for around an estimated 15million dollars, and Predator took almost that much back in box office receipts on the opening weekend!!! they cost less than the Princess Bride to make, less than the Untouchables and made far more money, no hollywood bean counter in their right mind would turn down those kinds of numbers thesedays. so its got nothing to do with the MPAA or there being no audience for these films, there still is they wont lose money if they are good enough. the problem is because no-one spends the time or effort on the script or story anymore, lots of films go into production half baked with loads of budget spent on a bunch of computerised effects, or gimmicks to fill in the gaps. these films inevitably bomb or really never take off. so these films cost studios lots of money because they fundamentally dont work. btw there was no audience for really bad action films in the 80s either, for every Robocop there was a Vindicator, similar storyline same gore/violence levels, made in 1986, yet gets cited more for being a Robocop ripoff !?! but its nowhere near as good, as its more a horror film take on the story, than a scifi action. so all thats happening now is the studios rather than spending the time to fix the problem at source and spend more time on the quality of the script, hedge their bets on the movie by making it as bland as possible to appeal to a mass market audience so they take less risks with their money, except these movies still stink and people just get fed up of with the genre and just rewatch old films instead. though alot of the blame lies in the studio system, theres nothing stopping anyone in the indie sector stepping in and doing something about it, going old school filming but people have been too obsessed with vampires and slasher horror movies of late.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Don Simpson

    by shane peterson

    and producers like him don't exist anymore. Simpson because he's dead and others because they've retired or softened considerably in old age. I look back at Predator, Robocop, Lethal Weapon Die Hard, the mid to late '80's, as the golden age of hard action films.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST

    @killik

    by Eric Strauss

    I'm not one of these idiots who is going to spew venom across the internet, but given how crappy most action films are today, what's so bad about Predators? There have been SO many worse action films to come out in the last few years.

  • until after and because of, Robocop's success.It was also a canadian movie,not a usa made.So it's not such a mistake that people think that it is a Robocop rip-off.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST

    =what's so bad about Predators? = EVERYTHING !

    by KilliK

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 6:59 p.m. CST

    asimovlives, I'll give Heat another shot sometime. Funny thing is

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    that was heralded as the first Deniro/Pacino team up as Godfather II did not count. I saw Righteous Kill. It had so much potential with the whole damn cast, and turned into a pile of crap. Note to directors: hot women aren't really into S&M with their grampa. Oh by the way, true story, the inn I worked at one summer just closed. It reminded me that Deniro was there that summer shooting Stanley and Iris. It bombed of course. I was a kid, I knew he was some actor. I never saw him, but I must have washed his dishes. Mrs. Binks thought that was neat, and I'm like what do I care, it's just some dishes.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Another film from 1987

    by Magnus Greel

    Another film from that year that had it's fair share of action was The Untouchables. I remember renting Robocop and that film for a twin bill on VHS many times.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 7:26 p.m. CST

    No matter what generation an Old Guy comes from

    by Lesbianna_Winterlude

    Everything was better when he was young.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST

    As for Robocop 2...

    by Magnus Greel

    I was one of the sorry bastards that paid good money to see that in a theatre. I like violent films, but that had a mean spirit to it that still bothers me to this day. What a disappointment.

  • but I put most of the blame for shitty characters and crap writing at the overrated feet of frank miller. A kid crime lord?...maybe in Africa or South America but not in America..not even in Detroit.

  • Watch these three movies and you will know ALL there is to know about American culture. All are brilliant and hilarious satires of American culture. Showgirls gets shit on because NOBODY realized it's a satirical comedy.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Robocop = 9/10, Predator = 6/10

    by Keith

    I know a lot of people love Predator, but it's never seemed any more than competent to me. Not particularly scary, the cast all seem cartoonish, and the mechanics of the movie don't lend themselves to an exciting scenario in practice (although it's a cool setup in terms of atmosphere). The predator is basically too powerful and only its own set of ethics allows the humans to survive. In essence, it chooses the moments at which they die, they don't have much say in the matter, and then it gets slightly hubristic right at the end, which is the only sequence in which the humans (or human, i.e. Arnie) show some ingenuity, although it's as much luck as anything else that he triumphs. It's alright, but it isn't anything special imo.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Asimov

    by one9deuce

    The problem with digging in your heels and refusing to acknowledge the many, many genre classics from the 80's is that you aren't giving lots of examples from the 90's or 2000's. Do they exist? Of course, but it's more like every few years instead of several EVERY year like in the 80's. And the ultimate validation that the 80's were the pinnacle of genre filmmaking is that now we mostly get reboots, semi-sequels, straight up sequels, and remakes of genre films....... from the 80's. In the last few years and the next few years to come we have seen or will see: TERMINATOR ALIENS BATMAN STAR WARS INDIANA JONES PREDATOR ROBOCOP BLADE RUNNER GHOSTBUSTERS How can you say the last two decades have been equal to the 80's when SO much genre output the last 20+ years was/is just trying to capitalize on those classics?

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 10:28 p.m. CST

    one9deuce

    by Dave

    Excellent point you made there, now let's see if old Asi has the intelligence to clarify it because its the truth. Asi's problem is not his opinions, it his refusal to accept the opinions of others. Correction, he accepts them, but if he does not agree, he will tell you your OPINION is wrong. He preaches about people not being able to accept different opinions when he is the worst offender of it. Some of us think the 80's were the best time for movies. He doesn't think so, therefore our opinion is null and void, because he says it is. I don't know nor do I really care why he refuses to acknowledge his arrogance, but regardless it is there. Asi can make good compelling arguments and has good, if safe taste in movies. But all of that is almost irrelavent because of his arrogant and condescending attitude towards anyone who has a different view on movies than he does. He thinks his great love of cinema is so much more than anyone here, thus making his opinions the correct ones. Wrong, in the end they are simply his opinions, he is no more wrong or right than any of us, a fact he refuses to acknowledge. Rant over. Good night.

  • Feb. 15, 2012, 11:46 p.m. CST

    I love both RoboCop and Predator

    by lv_426

    Both of these, along with Alien, Aliens, The Terminator, First Blood, Ghostbusters, Back to the Future, and Raiders of the Lost Ark are THE FILMS that got me excited about movies back when I saw all of them in the mid-late 80's. After that I really saw films as more than mere entertainment. RoboCop shocked and awed my innocent little child mind. Predator's Dutch, along with John Rambo, Ripley, and Kyle Reese/Hicks, those were my heroes back in the day. I fondly remember a couple of summers (about 89 or 90) where I had recently recorded both Rambo II and Predator on VHS. Sure they were edited for TV, but I didn't know any better, I still loved 'em. My mom worked a part time job that summer, so my grandma would look look after my brother and I a lot during the week. Grams didn't really care that I pretty much watched both Rambo II and Predator, every fucking day that summer. Had I taped RoboCop or Aliens or Terminator or another great sci-fi/action film at that time, I'm sure I'd have added those to the daily rotation. All I had at the time though was Rambo II and Predator. Those two flicks did the job I guess. So there was that, but my 80's action film obsession didn't stop there. I remember running around in the woods pretending to set explosives and traps for imaginary NVA or the Predator that I pretended was up in the trees, watching and waiting to sneak up and get me. I was so jealous of Dutch's M16 with grenade launcher, that I found some old PVC pipe in the garage that pops wasn't going to use, spray painted it black, and glued/duct taped it to my plastic toy assault rifle for my very own under-the-barrel grenade launcher attachment. Once I had seen how easy it was to do that, my next project was to make a minigun like Jesse Ventura wielded so awesomely in Predator. It also really brings back my memory of when I first found out about the NES game Contra. I had received an NES and Super Mario Bros. about a year before as a B-day, or perhaps it was a Christmas present? No matter... anyways, I was in Toys 'R Us and I saw the box art for Contra. I nearly lost my shit. Here was a game that combined three things I loved so much: Aliens, Predator, and Rambo. The two characters on the front even looked like Arnold and Stallone. I'm surprised I didn't faint right there, causing the paramedics to rush to the toy store only to find my dumb ass unconscious over a frickin' NES game's box art. So yeah, call it nostalgia and all, but I don't care. About the last big genre film that has had any type of similar impact on me was The Matrix, Battlestar Galactica (2004, but TV so doesn't count), and Peter Jackson's LOTR adaptations. LOTR moreso because I was a fan of the books, and it was such a grand dream come true to see them done justice on film. RoboCop I loved back in the day, but it is definitely one of those flicks that really does get better and better with each viewing. Sure it hooked me with a cool concept and great over-the-top action and gore, but the satire and commentary on corporate culture, both that of the 80's and that of today is just great. I'll shut up now, but you guys are right, RoboCop and Predator... they just don't make 'em like that anymore.

  • A year before in 89 we had the ambitious but flawed The Abyss (director's cut fixes a lot of the problems and makes it much better IMO), then Total Recall fondled our eyeballs and fucked our minds. Total Recall was supposedly the last great big budget film that solely relied on the tried and true techniques that everyone from ILM to Roger Corman's New World Pictures had been using for special FX during the late 70's through the 80's - miniatures, prosthetics, rear projection, optical compositing, and other practical or in-camera effects. After that Terminator 2 kick started the CGI phase. Two years later Jurassic Park blew the doors down and CGI was the new way of doing things, or at least so prominent that even a big film that relied on a lot of the old FX methods like Independence Day, was a film where the digital effects overshadowed the film. Am I saying I hate CGI? No. It is just that we can look at 1990/1991 as a sharp drop off point from the 80's action and genre mentality, to that shift to what we had in the 90's, 2000's, and what we are stuck with in the 2010's. Even something as ambitious and cool as The Matrix or Inception, both of those aren't as brilliantly fucking bug nuts insane in the awesome way that Total Recall was. Sure we had Verhoeven back in form in 1997 with Starship Troopers, but no one cared and it flopped.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Friday the 13th part 6.

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    Came out almost the same time as Evil Dead 2, which was rather funny as both were of the comedy/action/horror genre that came out during the late 80's. And yes, I include House II and The Toxic Avenger in the same breath.

  • I fucking love that movie from a very deep place in my heart.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Yeah throw Total Recall in with the 80s masterpieces

    by Autodidact

    I would say it culminated the 80s, while Batman 89 which came out a year before was what actually ushered in the 90s.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 2:10 a.m. CST

    Oh crap, almost forgot my other Predator story

    by lv_426

    A couple friends of my younger brother had seen Predator when they were over at the house during my summer of Rambo II/Predator. So they knew things like the predator using his arm blades and that his blood was a bright green. So one day I had a devious little idea. I took my pocket knife, some Pert Plus shampoo, and fake blood from a Halloween store into the woods near my home. This wooded area was where my friends and my younger brother's friends would hang out in during nice weather if we weren't playing baseball, basketball, or videogames. So I take the pocket knife and slash at some thick tree trunks, making gashes in two parallel lines to simulate the predator arm blades. I then splattered some of the fake blood on the trees, the ground, and in the general area. The Pert Plus was predator blood, which I spilled on some leaves and foliage. I might of also had some spent ammo shells from a neighbor who had a gun and used to go shooting. They knew I liked action movies so they gave me some spent shells. I placed the spent rifle ammo around the forested area. I then went back and fetched the young kids in the neighborhood and my brother and his friends. =You guys gotta see this, you won't believe what I found in the woods.= I remember saying I heard gun shots and screams in the middle of the night, coming from the woods. So we get back there, I'm thinking they won't fall for it, but the second they saw the Pert Plus Predator blood, they knew something wasn't right and I had the little tykes in the palm of my hand. I later told them it was all fake after they started getting scared shitless, but I could of let them sweat it for awhile. Had I done that these kids probably would have woken up screaming from a Predator nightmare. I just couldn't take it that far. I may have been an evil little shit that day, but I guess I must of felt guilty that my little trick worked a bit too well.

  • First Metal Gear now Contra? What's funny is how cool the "Kyle Reese" box for the NES Metal Gear looked and in turn, got me to shell my hard earned $40.00 to buy the freakin game. And after playing both MG and Contra/Super Contra, I got hooked on videogames ever since. Thanks Konami, now pay up them royalties!

  • It's odd that Hollywood only wants to focus on corporations when corporations are the ones making these movies....how about a movie about the money our government wastes? Or how the quality of our medical care is about to go down because of ObamaCare?

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 7:09 a.m. CST

    1987 = MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE!

    by Jake Pantlin

    Yeah, it might not be great, but it beats the hell out of GI Joe and the Transformers films.

  • .i know im gonna get hit by the geek A-bomb motherload but for me robocop triumphs over terminator, now dont get me wrong, i still love terminator and rate it highly, it has a great atmosphere with some hot synth tunes and i cant say that i didnt watch it thousands of times, buuuut watching it recently, i realized how inept he is at actually being A TERMINATOR! how many times does he fuck up when all he has to do is lock on and -pop- job done? kind of same thing applies in the sequel, many times t-1000's got johnny-boy in his sights, and you just think "rush him down ya stoopid fucker, he's just there!!" as he just creeps menacingly towards him! i know the movie wouldn't be very long if the terminators did live up to their name, but i'm just sayin without rose-tinted specs of my youth, i cant take it as seriously now as i did, and robo holds up better, but thats me, sure im gonna get a torrent of abuse about the holes in robo, bring it on y'aaaa!!ll

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 7:25 a.m. CST

    bob1000

    by AsimovLives

    But it is nolstalgia that says, mistakenly, that the 80s were some golden age of genre filmmaking, when in fact any decade can have that crown easily. How easy it is? pretty easy: just concentrate on the good stuff and forget the bad. This last two days i saw for the first time two genre classics: the 1932 FRANKENSTEIN and the 1954 THEM! And what i noticed is that, focusing on the classics of any decade and of any generation, be those the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s, etc, every single one of them can and makes c,aims their was the golden age of the genre. Every single one of them. and by going with their respective oldies goldies, every single one of them have a good cause. and as such, none have th right to claim a crwn of the golden age of genre. The truth of the matter is, all generation and every decade produced great genre movies. and every one produce a lot of shit. The 80s are no exception to that. The same way people today complains about the overabuse of CGI, in the 80s there was also a complain that special effects were replacing tory and character. if you think today's complain that CGI are highjacking movies from story and character, the same complain was made back in the 80s. How i remember that. Just read any critic from those times and you will notice the common complain is how Hollywood was replacing proper filmmaking with special effects. If you think your complain is anything new, it's not. it's nothing new. If guys like you are al too aware of the stuff made in the 80s is because the decade benefited from the advent of home video. 80s genre movies are disproportionally represented in home video, compared to the bpreceding decades, because they were the first to benefit from the perservation that the transference to home video format. This gives the wrong idea that more was made in the 80s. No it wasn't. But more is easiçly acessible then the previous stuff, which, to be put to home video format, needs to go through perservation processes which are quite expensive. So, it's a question of the disproportion of representation and not of actual production. Also, and this is what's more important, simply put this is a case of generational provincialism. Every generation, without exception, claims to be the one better then the ones preceding or after. It's the typical generation provincialism that downplays the feats of the past and future and overclaims the feats of their own. It's something i cannot abide in all justice. To claim that there was some golden age in the 80s, the very decade you bere born or were your formative years, is merely generational provincialism and vanity.

  • Not at all. It was in the 80s that the today's common practive of starting with a hhigh concept and then write a script, which is still rewriten even during the shooting of the movie, that was not only implemented but taken as the golden standard and the way to procede. This practive actually preceded the 80s and can be found in many examples of movies made in all decads before, but it was in the 80s that became the norm. What's done today is the direct result of practices from the 80s. If anything, Holylwood today's major problem is that hey are still sturbonly stuck to practices from the 80s they refuse to change no matter what.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 7:37 a.m. CST

    i take your point on some issues asimovlives but..

    by steve lee

    ...if we're here to purely talk about ACTION/SCI FI, in the vein of predator terminator, robo and aliens, what in your opinion is a better example from another decade? i'm not claiming the 80's is the best for this genre, but if you can think of a similarly rich decade not counting sequels....? the reason we have these many awful franchises that need to be put down mainly stems from the 80's because there were so many successful movies in this category, IMHO the only franchises to rival them really are comic book

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 7:51 a.m. CST

    awavey

    by AsimovLives

    PREDATOR went to production with an unfinished script. That's why Shane Black is in the movie, and has a speaking role. Him as an actor was a subterfuge the studio got to have a writer on the set to fill in the gaps and reweite the script on the spot, but also to check on John McTiernan. At the time, this was Mctiernan's second movie, his first was a low budget arty movie caled NOMADS. PREDATOR was Mctiernan's first studio movie, and the studios were not too trusting. Speciallly considering the difficult shot it had, and the amount of SFX involved, of which Mctiernan had no experience with. Shooting movies with unfinished scripts? the 80s are filled with stories like that. they were even the norm, not the exception.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 7:54 a.m. CST

    i just remembered an awesome flick from the 90's...

    by steve lee

    Darkman!! That flik was out there!! surprising it got the green-light in some ways, it was pretty messed up but it worked!! that's liam neeson for ya, ever reliable and raimi at the height of his powers i forgive neesons qui-gon, you try to carry off that script convincingly!!

  • Contrary to popular belief, a decade stars in the year 01, not the year 00. If that was so, and since there can't be such a thing as a year zero, the first decade of our era would only had 9 years. This is why decades count from the year 01 until the year 00. For example, the 80s decade started in 1981 and ended in 1990. This might sound a bit off common sense, but that's how time is accounted for decades, centuries and millenia.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 7:57 a.m. CST

    lv_426

    by AsimovLives

    I'm actualy quite forgiving on obvious CGI in low budget movies. It's bad CGI in megabudget movies that that i cannot forgive.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 7:59 a.m. CST

    yeah, buuuuuuuut...

    by steve lee

    ...be honest, no-one really thinks of it in those terms!!it's got 1990 on the posters n box, thats enough for most, otherwise we're splitting hairs all day!

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST

    one9deuce

    by AsimovLives

    wh today's holywood is ccapitalizing on 80s movies? easy answer: memory. Those are movies that so may eople today still remember because they watched it in their infancy or teens. So, Holywood is capitalizing on name recognition on movies that many of us today do remember and know it by heart. Easier to do that then to try to capitalize on a movie from another reviosu decade ( unless they have a heavy classic status to them, like TEXAS CHAIN SAW MASACRE or NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD.). If you actually think i didn't put some though to my arguments, desist, because that's not how operate.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Ahhh....some people never learn.

    by Dave

    Telling everyone how wrong they are. Once again, all your OPINIONS are wrong, because one person says so. Just cant accept the fact that to SOME people, the 80's were the best time for movies. Your personal feelings and opinions are of zero meaning, because hey, you are just wrong! Everyone has a time that they believe was the best time for movies, and you know what? Nobody is wrong. It is called PERSONAL CHOICE. And NO ONE has the right to sit back and tell anyone WHY that time is so dear to them, or tell them that what they think is wrong. Nostalgia? Nope, not a factor. When you can sit and watch movies from a certain time and enjoy them long after that time has passed, THAT is what makes a period in time special, and makes it your personal best time for movie. Not fond cherished memories, but the fact that you can enjoy a movie from that particular time period today as much as you did back then. That is what makes a particular period of time someone's best time for movies. All generations and decades produced great genre films, no doubt about it. It is all a matter of personal choice. Not nostalgia as some would have you believe. Personal choice is NOT wrong. It is what makes us individuals. But some people refuse to acknowledge that. But I am not speaking to those people, because they cannot and never will understand what I am talking about. I have a friend who thinks the best decade for movies was the 60's. Know when he was born? 1980. Grew up in THE 80's. Personal choice, individual tastes. Not nostalgia, not fondness for your formative years. Not disproportionate representation. Do some people look at certain times with nostalgia? Of course, probably all of us do. But speaking for myself and I am sure many others on here feel the same way, that's not a factor in what determines our personal best time for movies. Some people just don't get it.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Funny, i saw THEM! mentioned.....

    by Dave

    Happens to be one of my favorite movies. Still holds up to this day.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 8:56 a.m. CST

    asimovlives

    by Rob Jenson

    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Sure, there are classics from every decade and era, but there were a disproportionate amount of them from the 80s. As someone said above, we'll be seeing sequels, prequels and reboots from the 80s Golden Age for many years to come . . . because they were, to use an 80s word, awesome. Another thing great about the 80s.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST

    bob1000

    by Dave

    Don't waste your precious time dude. No matter what you say you will wind up being wrong, that is just how he operates.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 9:35 a.m. CST

    boynamedsue...

    by steve lee

    i guess they are out there if you dig hard enough - in documentary form, but i doubt the subject is really going to put arses (butts) on seats in your local multiplex!! ignorance is bliss for most people, aaaah look at the pretty 'splosions! docile as hindu cows as durden puts it, ha!!!

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Allow me to give you your correct opinion:

    by UltraTron

    Robocop 2 was fucking superb. It lacked only the robocop theme. If you like the first one but don't like the second- you are misguided and strange.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 9:39 a.m. CST

    80's movie composers...

    by steve lee

    so top 3 for me gotta be: silvestri for pred of course daaaa,daaa,da da daaaaa (and bttf) the music in that was, like, totally immersive dood!! obv. ya gotta have williams cuz hes like, ya know, williams, then slightly outta leftfield, vince dicola for transformers animated and rocky 4, bloody amazin, anyone know if he did choons for other films? that cat is elusive!!! did he suddenly croak or something?

  • What would have totally redeemed the lack of mech suits is the commercial for new weapons at the end. Could have shown a still design of a mech suit and made everyone's day. That would have probably led to a direct sequel in theaters

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST

    mikeyeieio

    by steve lee

    your kid's lucky you werent into muppets movie or something, coulda ended up being called beaker , just kiddin whicha, dood!! :P really not takin the piss, before shit gets out of hand like i know it can up in here!!

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    just gimme my f@ckin phone caaaall.

    by steve lee

    lissenam

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST

    lissename!lissename you f@ck!!

    by steve lee

    hee hee, clarence is a lej!!

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST

    gimmedawepaaaan!!

    by steve lee

    (obscure predator chick quote)

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    misterdarcy

    by steve lee

    how can you say the scenario for predator isnt exiting? grunts picked off by a force they initially cant see or understand and have to try to adapt and overcome it? if thats not an exiting premise, not sure what is..IMHO it gets a sturdy 8, robo gets 9.5 just for how enduring and near flawless it is on what it tried to achieve!!

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST

    amendment to previous: *exciting*

    by steve lee

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Reaction Post

    by DC

    I enjoyed the article (particularly the "Robocop" points) and posted my own reaction/comments, while fleshing out a bit more information regarding Frank Miller's involvement: http://bit.ly/zKo1B5

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Predators was good and then it sucked...

    by Darth Macchio

    Don't you fucking run, ok? Cause I've got six little friends...and they can all run faster than you.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Message got cut off...fuck it

    by Darth Macchio

    Great site fellas...

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Can I have, both of ya for a dollar!?!?"

    by thedoctor28

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Van Damme was first to play the Pred'

    by JIMBOCOP

    Back when it was part shrimp/part redneck. Fact. McTiernan and Winston went back to the drawing board and Jim Cameron gifted them the Masai-warrior-from-Mars-come-to-kill-his-lion concept. Out went JCVD - in came the late Kevin Peter Hall (RIP). Gawd bless Jim says I.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Not really interested in your opinions Threepio, I mean Asimov

    by Mattman

    Haven't been in some time now.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    mattman

    by AsimovLives

    Boo hoo!

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    smoking_weed_with_salacious_crumb

    by AsimovLives

    Funny, i saw THEM! mentioned. Happens to be one of my favorite movies. Still holds up to this day.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Asimov that's not really true

    by Autodidact

    1990 is part of the 90s for all practical intents and purposes. I mean if you want to be REALLY FUCKING PEDANTIC you can say the 1990 was part of 80s, but then you might as well be autistic for as fun and understandable as it would be to have a conversation with you.

  • It's so cartoony, theres none of the sense of drama and danger the first movie has. There is some clever ideas in the movie, for sure, and one very good scene when the little tyke gets shot and Robocop conforts him. But overall, i felt it was quite a disapointment after the first movie. The 3rd Robocop movie does not exist. No!

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST

    food = good

    by AsimovLives

  • the original Predator looked like an alien Praying Mantis which was supposedly using martial arts/acrobatics when attacking the soldiers. THANK GOD McTiernan had the wisdom to can that design and ask from Winston for a new design. I dont know if Iron Jim gave the original idea to Winston for the new Predator design but i do know from Cameron's own interviews that the Predator's mandible was his own idea. I always had the belief that some movies are simply destined to become all time beloved classics. You can have the greatest crew and cast,the biggest budget and the best idea and vision for a movie but that doesnt mean that you are going to make a masterpiece.Sometimes,just sometimes,you need "those stars to be properly aligned" to make movies like Predator or Robocop.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST

    bob1000

    by AsimovLives

    it really doesn't matter that if we agree or not. what matters is that we changed opinions, each a legit effort to explain them, and did so in a pleasant and civilized manner, and hopefully each learned something from the other. This is the real reason i come here, to participate in conversations and share opinions. I thank you for your sympathy and civility. You're alright. Can't say the same to others who resorted to act like assholes with no real provocation.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    =his first was a low budget arty movie caled NOMADS.=

    by KilliK

    Is it the one with Pierce Brosnan? a weird thriller with an ala 70s ambiguous/dark ending? i think i have seen it and it was pretty good.

  • well,the cinematic world is a small place after all.

  • really atrocious design.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST

    RE: "The 3rd Robocop movie does not exist. No!"

    by Stalkeye

    Yeah, and Most people I know said the same thing about the 3rd and 4th Alien Movie.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST

    killik

    by AsimovLives

    It is indeed. NOMAD is quite a stange movie in Mctiernan's career, if you know him from the movies he made afterwards. It's quite slow paced, it's very moody, and about halfway through it gets so weird you stop knowing if what you are seing is reality of a dream.... or a nightmare for that matter. And man, the ending... it's a mind wrapper! Yeah, you should check it out. Just don't expect it to be your usual John Mctiernan movie.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST

    stalkeye

    by AsimovLives

    I quite like ALIEN3, i think it's terribly underrated. As for ALIEN RESSURECTION.... i consider it a strange experiment that is worth watching just for the fucking wierdness of it. Train wreck time of deal, you know? I do hesitate to consider it as part of the canon, however.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST

    What I liked so much about Preadator..

    by Stalkeye

    ..is that he wasn't your steroetypical Alien out to conquer the world or some simular bullshit. He was a Hunter who looked for some challenge when stalking his Prey. And to reiterate, unlike your average run of the mill Alien, he had some sort of Honor in which he wouldn't go after unarmed opponents. (especially Women and children in the case of the sequel; Predator 2.) Oh, and the weapons were cool too. Predator was more original than alot of Alien based films during that era. (1980's) All this talk of Pred just might tempt me to pop in my Blu Ray. "Welcome to The Jungle"!

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST

    yeah, the original PREDATOR design was a disgrace.

    by AsimovLives

    Thank goodness cooler heads prevailed.

  • Even such cases like the decision to present the Predator vision as thermovision. They had actually used thermovision cameras for the shot, but it turned out they proved useless because the enviroment was so hot, the air itself was so hot, the images captured was just a huge cloud of yellow colour. The studio refused to finance better more sophisticated thermovision cameras, so it forced the filmakers to fake it with post-production effects. And frankly, i think it work for the movie's benefit. If i recall correctly, it was also the studio that decided that the production should halt and find another special effects artist to redesign the predator.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST

    stalkeye

    by AsimovLives

    It's so easy to buy that the Predator is an intelligent creature, isn't it? He is a character. i always felt that the predator, deliberatly, stripped down as much he could of his technological advantages. Though he still had many advantages thansk to advanced alien technology, it does seem somewhat ballanced because he's one against many. Being an honourable hunter doesn't mean you have to be stupid. And really, the predators are advanced spacefaring civilization. I'm certain the predator, if he so wished, he could had brough even more advanced weaponry to the game if he so wished. I do think he stripped down deliberatly. And was it just me, or the scene when the predator has to do surgery on himself, and it's quite obvious he is in pain and suffering while in treatment, that makes it a bit sympathetic? Not the usual monster villain, is he?

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    "Can't shoot a Kid can you, Fucker"? BLAMM!

    by Stalkeye

    I actually thought Robocop 2 was a good attempt and it's definately Frank's (Miller) vision. Juvenille Criminals? Check! Narciscist Villian? Check! Public Massacre? Double check! And the Mayor of Detroit had the funniest dialog: "Fuck you, you senile bastard"! "This is Bullshit"! Not as bad as many would make it out to be, too bad they changed Robocop's original theme.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Poledouris wasn't hired to do the score for ROBOCOP 2. And it shows.

    by AsimovLives

    Actually, i also pretend that ROBO2 doesn't exist. i like to think of ROBOCOP as a unique solo movie, just like JAWS.

  • His code of honor aspect was showcased better,cooler weapons and medkits,the fact that they can live for a long time,their helmet's vision provided them with a wider spectrum view,they were carnivorous (not a surprise here),a view of their spaceship and its interior,and the fact that they were hunting on Earth as a party. P2 despite its flaws,is a good example of how to expand properly the already established canonical universe which is build around a basic concept.It's what Cameron did with his Aliens movie or Spielberg with his Temple of Doom movie or Lucas with TESB sequel. Predators on the other hand,is a perfect example of why the creators must avoid the fanservice in their franchise movies, as much as possible.You must first respect the original ideas and concept of the original movies,try to expand on them with your own ideas and then try to satisfy the fans. In other words,keep the fanboys the fuck away from the making of genre films.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    killik

    by AsimovLives

    I also enjoyed PREDATOR 2 quite a lot. The urban jungle looked like the natural continuation from the first. Clever in that the movie is set during a particular unusual heartwave. and our friends the predators really love the hotter summers to pay us a visit. I also liked that there was a whole different set of actors and characters for the sequel. It does prevent all that "how can the same thing happen to the same guy" thing, which so often ruins suspension of disbelief of the sequels (it's a wonder the DIE HARD movies have mananged to pull that off, though the 3rd movie provides a sensible explanation that becomes a plot point).

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    killik

    by AsimovLives

    Ip'm going to conced to you one positive good thing about 80s movies that sadly are absent in movies today, speially genre movies:~ NUDITY. I miss nudity in today's movies. In the 80s, any high school comedy movie had at least one topless scene, always played fior laughs, but it ws there. Movies for teens and it showed skin. Really knowing what to show to your your public, what your public wants. of course, nudy and sex sceens could get too silly in those 80s movies, specially the action movies. how often this movies had the oblifgatory sex scene between the hero and the designated female leding lady, and how often it came so hawkward to the story, so phoney, so out of the blue. Still, today's movies err too much on the opposite side. now it's all so chaste it's madning. They overcopensated! Of course, part of the prople is the MPAA ridiculous fear and hatred of sex onscreen. One naked tit onscreen does more dammage to society then 20 heads exploding, according to wise people, at the MPAA. Balls! So,i miss the nudity that wss fairly common to see in 70s and 80s movies. Times were different then. Nowdays, i have to watch Tv to see onscreen nudity. specially in shows about ancient rome.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 5:26 p.m. CST

    PREDATORS>PREDATOR 2

    by misnomer

    Predator 2, outside of a cool monster design is a terrible, terrible, terrible film. It's a complete tonal mis-fire. Predators is nowhere near the original but at least dares to give us something new...and it has the Brody...and Alien Hounds.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST

    I agree.and this thing has been pointed out by others too.

    by KilliK

    Nowadays HW is not making anymore adult movies for adults. Sex and nudity is missing from a lot of the modern movies,even the mere notion of sexuality is absent. Everything is kiddified,clean,politically correct and neutered.As a result movies have become sterile and shallow,devoid of mature intelligence and themes,sexuality and erotism,even high ideas like the male friendship have been crushed under the weight of the unending cynicism of our modern society.Movies have stopped being offensive,provocative,rebellious.Hollywood has cut the balls of the new artists. We are living humankind's regression in technology,science,the arts,the political and social structure,in our ideologies and way of thinking and so on. we are living in the New Dark Ages.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST

    =PREDATORS>PREDATOR 2=

    by KilliK

    ONLY IF YOU ARE LOBOTOMIZED. !!!

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST

    =and it has the Brody=

    by KilliK

    You mean it has Brody's nose.haha.

  • Feb. 16, 2012, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Predators 2 is not good

    by jpt

    Yes, the different setting is good, but the new characters suck quite simply. There is no way that Glover is able to stand mano y mano vs the Predator. No fucking way. The acting is pretty shit, and the ending blows. Much like in one of the abominations AvP with the marking of the chick and then the Predators paying her tribute, the same shit is bad in Predator 2. Predators tries to repeat the magic of Predator and fails. The cast of "bad asses" is a fail. And that's something that the movies following the original will never be able to get right. There is only one Predator movie, all the rest are pale imitations of the original or worse, dire movies in the case of AvP and AvPR. And there is only one Robocop movie as well. Aliens 3 fails because of the ending. Insurrection sucks, plain and simple.

  • he didnt. if you remember in the scene when the Predator cuts in half Gary Busey,Glover,who at that point of time was going after him without knowing what he was really facing,gets scared shittless and starts running away from the alien,he is trying to escape. This is an inspired reversal of the original movie: Arnold is trying to escape from the alien who hunts him, but later he decides to face it. In P2, it is Glover who is hunting the predator to avenge his dead friend,but when he finds out that the enemy is way more dangerous than he thought to be,he gets scared and is running for his life. And when he manages to kill the alien,he does that because he had the luck to have in his hands that laser-boomerang from teh Predator.Otherwise he would have been one more skull in their trophy room in the spaceship. And i liked the final scene where the old Predator gives him the old gun as a trophy or reward for managing to kill his Hunter.It is a move of respect and i like it because it elevates the Predator character: he is not your typical alien monster,he is truly an intelligent life-form from another planet,with its own way of life.

  • Whats that guys name btw?

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 2:42 a.m. CST

    Predator 2 is great shut up or get wristbladed

    by Autodidact

    Also killik is correct. Glover never really goes toe to toe with the pred like Arnie did.

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Gun-memento scene in Predator 2 is the highlight of the series

    by Autodidact

    I think that moment is the absolute tops. Better than any moment in Predator.

  • Feb. 17, 2012, 7:10 a.m. CST

    When MEN were still MEN

    by chien_sale

    if John Carter would have been done in the 80s, you just know Arnold would have done it and it would have been awesome

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 2:31 a.m. CST

    pistol-whipped

    by Keith

    "if that's not an exiting premise, not sure what is" Imagine a movie where eight men are in the middle of the desert. Somewhere in the distance, his precise location unknown, a sniper has the ability to pick them off at will, whenever he wants. He's toying with them. Whether they live or die is up to him, not up to them. That sounds kinda tense, but is it genuinely exciting? The men can't really do much about it. And if you can't do anything about something, struggle is more or less pointless. Without viable struggle - without people having their fate at least PARTIALLY in their own hands - I don't really find a story exciting.

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 4:32 a.m. CST

    misterdarcy

    by steve lee

    fair enough, pal, fair enough.....but i think in a way, the crew were always going to be thinned out so he could go to toe toe with big arnie, thats why he de-armours, to make it a more level playing field, but i respect your opinion

  • Feb. 18, 2012, 4:37 a.m. CST

    and....

    by steve lee

    they werent COMPLETELY outmatched- he was winged, even though it took a big fuck-off mini-gun to do it! "ol' painless is waitin!!"