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Watching Matt and Trey at the DGA today in Los Angeles!

Welcome folks, 'tis I... the obese big boned one reporting from my massage table at the Moriarty Labs Spa & Resorts. One of the wonderful things about the Moriarty Labs Spa & Resort is that they have these little outings that we can go on. Tonight, it was a journey to the Director's Guild building to watch Matt Stone, Trey Parker and a ton of other people involved in SOUTH PARK to talk about the show, their film, the future and the MPAA.

So we sat 4th row center and watched the insanity unfold. First was the screening part of the show where we watched the Mr Hanky episode and the Pokemon destruction show.

After watching Matt and Trey for the better part of an hour, I can say that they have got to be at least as insane as Robogeek. Do you realize that sometimes a week before a new episode of SOUTH PARK is aired... there might not even be a script yet?

If fact... it's so disorganized that sometimes... even on the day of airing, there are last minute changes occurring. THIS IS BEAUTIFUL! It's so anti-big business, complete shoot from the hip anarchy...and I think that is why the show is so much fun. Except when I talk to Quint, and then in that case the show sucks and I'll never watch it.

If you are waiting on... THE NEXT SOUTH PARK movie, you may not want to hold your breath. You see... The film was truly a violent experience for these guys, and they have the feeling that there is no way in hell that they'd get the word... 'beautician' past the MPAA without garnering an NC-17. Matt and Trey are both completely content (sounding) about just continuing to produce the television show till it gets so weird and bizarre that it just ceases to exist.

There were no big revelations about the show tonight, though the replacement of Mary Kay Bergman has been extremely painful and hard. It's looking like they are going to need 4 or 5 voice artists to adequately replace the work of this gifted talent. As for the changes for the OSCARS to 'BLAME CANADA' right now the word that is really gumming up the works is.... 'FART'. Apparently the Academy or the Network or whoever doesn't believe the word 'FART' should be sung in a song for a mass audience. Weird... And then the best part of the whole evening was listening to Matt and Trey slam the shit out of the MPAA.

They've experienced both the independent side (ORGAZMO) and the studio side (SOUTH PARK THE MOVIE) and from that experience they believe the MPAA to be a completely self-serving tool of the industry. When attempting to work with the MPAA on ORGAZMO, they asked what they could do to earn an R and the MPAA told them that they couldn't say... because that would be sponsoring censorship. Instead they need to just submit a new cut. Well... on an indie film, that time in the editing facilities is expensive... and if you are not told exactly what is the offending material... all that time and money could be wasted. MEANWHILE, on SOUTH PARK THE MOVIE, Matt and Trey were privvy to the memos about what needed to be done to the film so it could earn an R. These memos were procured by executives at Paramount apparently.

They also talked about how some 'friends' at New Line told them that before they were owned by WARNER BROTHERS, they could get zero to no cooperation from the MPAA... But right after being consumed by Warners... one of the studios that pay the bills at the MPAA... phone calls and communication opened up for those working at New Line and ever since... it's been spiffy. Sigh. Here's Moriarty with more...

First, I'd just like to thank Hercules The Strong for inviting Harry and I to the SOUTH PARK event. Second, I'd like to suggest that anyone in LA who hasn't attended an evening of the William Paley Festival try to catch any of the remaining shows this year, or keep your eye out for the next time they do this. There's something great about seeing a show on the big screen. It really does play completely different when you have a whole crowd of people. Third, I'd like to commend whatever sick monkey decided to kick off tonight's program by showing the very first TV appearance of the PEANUTS characters, a Ford Wagon spot that was oddly sweet and very sad. Nice contrast with the animation to follow.

I've never met Trey or Matt, but I can say that spending the evening with them as they talk about their show, they're the exact kind of guys who keep this business fun. There's a real sense of anarchy when they're together, and I'd love to see their band DVDA perform sometime. Sounds like they'll be playing shows after they finish the next batch of original episodes for Comedy Central, which should start airing sometime in April. There's a savage wit to both of them, although Trey comes across as a little less dark. After all, this is the guy who always wanted to write musicals his whole life. How dark can he be? Matt's the one who genuinely seems like he'd be in jail if this show hadn't come along. His comments tonight were angry, even if they were hysterically funny. I loved the story he told about the making of the music video to promote the SOUTH PARK movie. Paramount had a million things they wanted to do, starting with the hiring of Kid Rock. They wanted to use some song Kid Rock had recorded about a year before, something entirely unrelated to SOUTH PARK, and just slap it on the soundtrack so they could get some MTV airplay. Trey and Matt dug their heels in, refusing to have anything to do with it. They wanted to do a video for "What Would Brian Boitano Do?" instead, and Paramount balked. Trey and Matt couldn't see the point in releasing a song that's not even in the movie when they were, in fact, making a traditional musical, complete WITH FREAKING SONGS! Paramount tried to bully them by saying that they were spending $300,000 on the video, so Trey and Matt told Paramount they'd pay for the video themselves, which is exactly what they ended up doing.

A similar situation arose as they were working on the trailers for the film. As we all learned when Lauren Shuler-Donner wrote in about the X-MEN trailer and the nonsense with the optic blasts, any trailer approved by the MPAA has to be the equivalent of a "G." As a result, there was pretty much no way a trailer could be cut with actual footage from the SOUTH PARK film. Instead, Paramount prepared a number of potential trailers, all of which sold it as "this summer's wackiest kook fest, with all your favorite zany characters in brand new wackalicious adventures!," as Matt put it. They were repulsed by the trailers, and cut their own using CARMINA BURANA that tried to play it as an epic, a complete goof on those types of trailers. Paramount refused to use it, and the back and forth began. It got down to the point where they had about 48 hours to cut the trailer so that it could go out attached to some big Paramount film. They needed a particular tape from Trey and Matt in order to do the cutting. Matt figured there was an easy way to settle things: he threw the tape in his truck and drove home with it. 48 hours passed, and Matt's lawyer called to tell him that the lawsuits were about to begin.

The thing that gives these guys the most strength when dealing with things like this is that they know they are incredibly lucky, and that all of this is bizarre. They don't invest it with any more importance than it deserves, and they're not sharks about it. They are willing to get sued if it means they're doing things the right way. They are willing to be punished rather than sell out this thing they've created. Freedom in this town truly does come from having the balls to say, "No," no matter how good the money is. Too many decisions about films and television shows are made based on fear. Seeing them being made from a position of confidence is refreshing.

I loved listening to them detail the changes made in the movie because of the MPAA. In every case, it sounds like the MPAA's intervention made the film much filthier. Originally, there was a short sequence in the film in which the kids find a film on the internet of Cartman's mom blowing a horse. The MPAA freaked out, despite the arguments that such films really are bouncing around where anyone can find them. Instead, Trey and Matt substituted the much longer, much dirtier version of the scene in which they find the German shit videos with Cartman's mom. The title of the film, of course, is the best example of this happening. HELL BREAKS LOOSE or BIGGER, LONGER & UNCUT... which one of those is truly nasty? I agree with them wholeheartedly that the biggest sins the MPAA commits are directed towards the indie film world. ORGAZMO was released with an NC-17. It played a few blocks from the Labs at the Sunset 5 theaters, so that's not really a big deal to me. Of course, I live in Hollywood, so that makes sense. When I used to house the Labs in a Florida facility, there were no theaters in town equipped to handle NC-17s or unrated films. They simply didn't play in that area. That rating is economic death, and when you don't know how to cut your film because the MPAA won't tell you, there's simply no resources available. You can't just book all the AVID time you want and just cut and cut and cut until you hit the magic combination. With a studio, you could do that, but you don't have to. All an executive has to do is call up, ask for the cuts that need to be made, and then address them with the filmmaker. Now, sure, the MPAA is going to say that's not true, but tell me this: why do filmmakers always have their stories afterwards about "we had to cut a few frames here" when they get their R? Those crucial frames are no accident. You seriously want us to believe that they just happened to guess what seven frames of film you wanted excised? You TELL THEM, and THEY CUT IT. It's a simple logical equation. That sort of discrepancy is exactly the kind of abuse that Jack Valenti swears never occurs, and it's obvious to anyone who's worked in the system on both sides. The reason they can't make a SOUTH PARK sequel is because they've made the mistake of telling the truth about their experiences. If the bridge is already burned then why not go all out and write the definitive book? Imagine if they publishes all the memos that they exchanged with Paramount and the MPAA as the SOUTH PARK film made its way from script to screen. It would be glorious. They only hinted tonight at how insane the process had to have been.

I also loved listening to them talk about finally getting a chance to meet the Monty Python team at the Aspen Comedy Arts Festival a few years ago, a lifelong dream for them. They both still cite Python as the single most formative influence on their comedy, and they said they were approached by a "strange little sweaty weirdo" who wanted to introduce them to Python. It wasn't until later that they realized the sweaty little guy was the rather brilliant Eddie Izzard.

And I really loved listening to them talk about the Academy's specific objection to one of the lyrics in "Blame Canada." You can understand of course: "Fuck that bitch Anne Murray" isn't exactly broadcast safe. They were even a little afraid it might be actionable. Trey and Matt asked the network if it would be okay if Anne Murray said it was okay, joking more than anything, but they decided to call and find out. To her enormous credit, Anne Murray said she had no problem with the lyric in context. Trey laughed really hard telling the story tonight. "She's a hip lady. I went out and bought a bunch of fucking Anne Murray records." It was almost as much fun as listening to Matt's story about being this guy straight out of Colorado who knows next to nothing about music who suddenly finds himself in a recording studio in New York telling Isaac Hayes that he's singing "I'm Gonna Make Love To You, Woman" wrong. These guys deflate the idea of celebrity with pretty much everything they do, every story they tell, and it makes them seem so much more likeable as a result.

I think they've really hit a stride with the work they're doing on the show these days. They understand the nature of the show and its appeal. They know that one of the secrets to SOUTH PARK is that it's not just wall to wall filth and outrageousness. There's a sweetness to the show that can't be denied. Part of that is the influence of the show's producers or the standards & practices department at Comedy Central or the network execs, but part of that is also understanding that there is a line. There are things that aren't funny. There is a way to tell each joke right and a way to tell it wrong. Matt and Trey said there was a time when they believed that there was no line, that they could joke about anything, a philosophy that I heard Sam Kinison and Bill Hicks both espouse at times. These days, though, Matt and Trey say they have found the line, and it is baby fucking. They performed a song with DVDA called "Robert Redford Fucks Babies" at Lapdance, another Park City event held this January, a song that was meant to sum up how crass they feel the Sundance fest has become. To them, there's no worse insult. I just love the fact that I sat in an audience at the DGA and listened to a moderator try to hold a serious discussion about baby fucking with these guys. It's a big sick world, and these guys manage to make that funny. I look forward to their continued work. Until then...

“Moriarty” out.

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  • March 3, 2000, 4:03 a.m. CST

    a book

    by Meat Takeshi

    Good call, a book with all the memos between the guys and the mpaa would be superb, i can imagine how surreal the whole train of correspondence would become. Check the Terry Gilliam book the Battle for Brazil detailing his strugle with the studio over his masterpiece.

  • March 3, 2000, 4:49 a.m. CST

    Jack Valenti is the "Emporer" from "Jedi."

    by Uncapie

    Have you ever noticed how much he looks and behaves like him? Creepy.

  • March 3, 2000, 5:54 a.m. CST

    The word 'Fart'?

    by Raist159

    If the word fart is the biggest problem that the MPAA has to worry about, they should get their heads examined. I mean, are they aware of some of the words that are said on primetime dramas that get a mass audience? The word fart should be the least of their worries. Raist159

  • March 3, 2000, 6:17 a.m. CST

    Bunch of crybabies

    by SCOTT1458

    Cripes...look out into the real world and see all the problems Mr. & Mrs. Joe Smith encouter in their lives.... ....and everybody is screaming bloody murder over the word fart. Go figure.

  • March 3, 2000, 8 a.m. CST

    South Park is a beautiful show

    by Drunkenfist

    "It's so anti-big business, complete shoot from the hip anarchy...and I think that is why the show is so much fun." Very true. Even though in your review of the movie you said "I am not a fan of SOUTH PARK." Hmm.

  • March 3, 2000, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Just saw Southpark BLU with a bunch of 12 year olds!

    by Mioch Must DIE!

    Don't you just love the Dutch rating system!:-)

  • March 3, 2000, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Gee, you all smell so nice and flowery...

    by agentcooper

    I like the fact that Trey and Matt are so committed to their show. It's refreshing. I saw Orgazmo on HBO a couple months ago. Although the movie wasn't very good, I really have no idea what the MPAA found objectionable. I don't even think there was any nudity. I admire how far Trey and Matt will go to make sure a joke works. The funniest scene...actually, the only funny scene of the movie Baseketball, was near the end, where they realize they were both wrong, and their eyes meet in a homoerotic gaze. In any other film, the gaze would have been broken and they would talk of sports or chicks. Trey and Matt move in and make out: sloppy wet French kissing for a full minute. We need guys like this to keep pushing the barriers. Now, if we could just get them to leave off that lame production company logo with the plane and the irritating music off the end of every episode of Southpark, life would be better.

  • March 3, 2000, 8:25 a.m. CST

    South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut changed my life!

    by All Thumbs

    Well, maybe not that much, but it was one of the funniest movies I've seen in a long time and THE best jab at the MPAA I've EVER seen. I hope "Blame Canada" wins best song. It's got enough publicity for the Academy Award machine, I think. The only other song I think deserves it more is "When She Loved Me" from Toy Story 2. (Ok, it probably deserves it more, but South Park winning an Oscar is just too good to resist rooting for.) I'm going to be giddy as a schoolgirl when I finally get to see the only Academy musical number that insults a good deal of the audience. Can't wait.

  • March 3, 2000, 8:28 a.m. CST

    shut your fucking face uncle fucker

    by Speaker Wiggin

    you're a boner biting bastard uncle fucker, you're an uncle fucker yes it's true, nobody fucks uncles quite like you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that's not to anyone i just love that song mmm'kay? PBX

  • March 3, 2000, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Orgazmo DVD???

    by iamdeadfish

    When is the Orgazmo DVD coming out??? I would *LOVE* to see that movie with a commentary!!! More importantly, I'd just like to have it on DVD though. The most prized item in my house is my Orgazmo one sheet. I've got it framed above my TV!

  • March 3, 2000, 8:44 a.m. CST

    babyfucker: hooked on phonics monkey works for me.

    by darthpsychotic

    comedy central is starting to make me collect racist anti-white literature and shoot my maintence man, with their asinine practice of shutting down fansites that showcase south park episodes in real player video format. now when you want to get southpark episodes you have to go to a newsgroup and get winrar 'rar' files and put them together. most of the newsgroup postings are from people begging to get one .rar file or another. god damn babyfuckers.

  • March 3, 2000, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Stone and Parker

    by Brundledan

    I don't like these guys. At all. They're complete and total jackass idiots, as anyone who's heard them talk for at least TWO MINUTES can attest. Long-term success requires actual TALENT, one trait these guys sure as hell don't have, and since they'll be Trivial Pursuit questions in about five years, I wouldn't hold my breath for their "continued work" if I were you. (And it's sure ironic that they used the "Peanuts" characters, because Charlie Schulz didn't like these jackasses, either. In one of his last interviews, he remarked that "Lee Mendelson and I keep saying, 'We don't care what those other people do, we can still do something that is decent,' and we have beaten every one of them." Can anyone here see "South Park" lasting for fifty years? Or twenty-five? Or ten?)

  • March 3, 2000, 9:04 a.m. CST

    PolarBearX you messed up the line!

    by Niiiice

    It's "you're an uncle f!cker, I must say, why you f!cked your uncle yesterday!" that comes after "you're a boner biting bastard, uncle f!cker."

  • March 3, 2000, 9:06 a.m. CST

    CARMINA BURANA has been RUINED by the movies

    by Niiiice

    From Waterworld to Nutty Professor trailers, films are raping this classic piece of music, mainly through overexposure, sometimes to use its dramatic themes as parody, which is just insulting. These guys should learn to start writing their own music.

  • March 3, 2000, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Oh, ye gods at Criterion...

    by Vegas

    ...I entreat thee for nought but a copy of South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut with a commentary track from Parker and Stone. Preferably two: one about the movie itself, and another about the MPAA fiascos the movie incurred. Deleted scenes not necessary, but they would be appreciated and savored with vigor. I thank thee.

  • March 3, 2000, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Re: Brundledan's overreaction

    by Lazarus Long

    You point to the fact that South Park will never outlast Peanuts. So what? Either will the Simpsons, that doesn't make it bad. I can see not being a big South Park fan, but to say that Msrs. Parker and Stone have "no talent" is a very ill-informed and reactionary remark. No talent is some of the guys doing comic strips in the sunday paper. If you've watched South Park and have been turned off by the cheap animation and scatological humor, you're missing the point completely. South Park, even more effectively than The Simpsons, or Peanuts for that matter, points out the hypocritical actions of society in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE. Each one jokingly has a "message" line at the end where one of the kids blatantly states the commentary over some cheesy music. But funny thing is, the comments are always right on targer, whether it's in regards to TV violence, discrimination, sex, parenting, whatever. As for the show's humor content, that's a matter of taste. But saying they have no talent makes you the jackass Brundledan, because a lot of people who aren't in the Lowest Common Denominator happen to think they are.

  • March 3, 2000, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Bleeping the bad words

    by All Thumbs

    IMDB is reporting that Parker and Stone refuse to edit "Blame Canada" for the Oscars and that they're saying the network can just bleep them out. I say that's the best way to go OR they could go the route Salt N Pepa did in their "Whatta Man" video with En Vogue where they just didn't say the word and they did something like covering their mouths. Oh geez...they could hold "censored" signs over their faces during the number...I'm getting too excited about this...

  • March 3, 2000, 11:26 a.m. CST

    While we're on the subject of Matt and Trey...

    by The Kid

    I loved South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut, but did anyone else notice the one omission in the movie that is immediately obvious? Isaac Hayes doesn't have a song in it! Or is it just me? I don't remember there being one.

  • March 3, 2000, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Brundledan

    by spenworks

    They're talentless? Trey Parker was just nominated for an Oscar for best song. The guy is a phenomenal song writer. Whether you like the subject matter or not is one thing, but to call them talentless is way off base. Also they both have natural comic timing. Do you? Can you write an Oscar-worthy song? What? Is that silence I hear? I thought so.

  • March 3, 2000, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Stop the violence!

    by Concerned Parent

    As I have stated in an earlier post I am a mother of 3 beautiful Christ loving children and I am absolutely appalled by the information being discussed on this website. You youngsters have no morals and don't know Christ. You write about these violent movies and share the information with fellow "Gothic" youth and then go and shoot up your schools. The violence in schools must stop here. Stop watching these films like Total Return and Terminator. They are killing our children. Bloodthirsty audiences like yourselves are the reason there is so much violence in our schools. From what I understand you watch these films while observing/enjoying the violence, wear black clothing with a trenchcoat, listen to "Gothic" music, and then go shoot up your schools. Is this correct? If so you all need help. You need help in the form of Jesus Christ. Go to church instead of watching The South Park or another violent movie. Find Christ and please stop shooting up our schools. Thank you and clean up your moraless lives.

  • March 3, 2000, 1:33 p.m. CST

    i'm sorry, i messed up

    by Speaker Wiggin

    i'll do better next time! PBX

  • March 3, 2000, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Concerned Parent

    by All Thumbs

    This is a really bad joke, right?

  • March 3, 2000, 1:42 p.m. CST

    concerned parent: is this a joke?

    by Speaker Wiggin

    i mean come on i have never shot up my school, i have never been in a fight, i have never been arrested, never done drugs, never done anything that you have said, but i love these movies, it's entertainment get a hold of yourself, i don't need jesus for it...some people might but i'm fine by myself thank you much PBX

  • March 3, 2000, 2:12 p.m. CST

    re: concerned parent...

    by agentcooper

    ...Okay, now that was funny.

  • March 3, 2000, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Pouth Sark

    by Brundledan

    Lazarus and Spenworks, I'm not being reactionary here. I'm not trying to troll. I am just genuinely mystified as to what the heck makes South Park so great. I've always been. I do understand where y'all are coming from re: the social commentary in the show, but I just can't get past the sheer VILENESS of the whole thing. When I look at Trey Parker and Matt Stone, I see two guys who got INCREDIBLY lucky and whose fifteen minutes of fame has gone on for far too long. Yeah, I know, I'm missing the whole point of the show. Well, maybe I am; all I know is, I just can't sit through an episode. I get too damn disgusted. Sick can be channeled into humor in HILARIOUS ways (Farrelly Bros. movies), but sometimes sick is just plain sick. (By the way, Spen, no, I can't write a song to save my life; I don't know music. Many people consider me to be hilariously idiotic in my opinions, though, so an argument could be made that I have comic timing.)

  • March 3, 2000, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Concerned about Parents

    by Brundledan

    I'm pretty certain this "Concerned Parent" stuff is a joke; if not, then I don't know whether to laugh or cry. It's this 5% of fundamentalist Christians that make the other 95%, NON-insane church-goers, look bad. For God's sake, CP, go ruin somebody else's day. I don't know what the answer is to this plague of school-shooting, but pointing fingers at convenient targets like movies sure ain't gonna do it. As for pointing fingers at US PERSONALLY... well, if your mission is to Find the Real Killers, then go consult O.J. I hear he'll have the whole thing wrapped up any day now. No killers here, though (okay, I stepped on a bug this morning).

  • March 3, 2000, 3:06 p.m. CST

    I was there too!

    by ianmalcm

    I was at the South Park Paley show also, but I must have been blind because I didnt see Harry there! I thought the show was awesome, and gave everyone the perfect example of how the MPAA is "in bed with the studios". Twas cool meeting the duo for the 2nd time, and getting their reaction on Parkwars (my friend's project). I must say I learned a lot!

  • March 3, 2000, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Have you found Jesus??

    by Lorax

    ...No, I didn't realize he was lost. Stop it, Concerned Parent; you're gonna make me pee my pants! That is one of the funniest things I've read in quite some time. Good job! If you ARE serious, however, please put a down-payment on a brain before posting again. More killing, raping, torture, maiming, genocide, etc. has been done in the name of religion than for any other cause, including *gasp!* motion pictures. The Crusades, WWII (who was it that was killing all those Jews? Hmmmm, lemme think... Oh, yeah, it was all those "right-thinking" Christians), the list is far too long to go into, especially considering these little tidbits are probably left out of Utah's and Kansas' (they have SCHOOLS in Kansas?!?)"american cheese on white bread with mayo" textbooks. Those who have an intellectual capacity less than or equal to that of a bucket of warm potato salad shouldn't be posting; they should be looking after their precious,precious children and running through Disney films frame by frame to find all those hidden evils ("Oh, my dear Lord, that rock behind Tarzan looks just like a turd!!!"). To everyone else: sorry about the rant; I had to release the pressure or my head would've exploded. Celebrate Science, Not Superstition!

  • March 3, 2000, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Killing for Christ

    by Lazarus Long

    If anyone actually thinks Concerned Parent is serious, you need to have your head examined. Isn't this exactly the way the "concerned parents" talk on South Park? I thought so. But just to say it, more people have been killed in the name of Jesus than will EVER be killed in the name of all films, TV shows, and music put together. And that's just murder, we won't get into racism/homophobia/stalling scientific advancement/political coercement, etc....and by the way Concerned Parent, you need to go back to school yourself, because "moralless" has two T's.

  • March 3, 2000, 3:34 p.m. CST

    "Doin' the Happy Dance..."

    by user id indeed!

    I'm just glad somebody came along and made the MPAA into the morons they really are.I burst into laughter when I heard the South Park movie's title,because I knew those guys sneaked a HUGE joke past Valenti and his goons.Certainly worse than an optic blast!Kudos to those two.If only they could make better live action movies....This has been Some Kinda Crazy Moment with User ID Indeed!

  • Last year Whoopie said *gasp* SHIT at the oscars! Oh my god!! But if these two guys get on stage and have a song that says fart... then they're the deviants. I just wish good ole Unckle Fucker was up for best song, with an interperative dance to go along with it. It is truely amazing how well South Park is doing. When it first came on TV I nearly pissed my self I laughed so hard, but I never thought it would last. Now they are taking on the big bad MPAA. Good, some one needs to do it and with no apologies either. Sure they aren't "talented" in the traditional sense, but they say the stuff that needs to be said and can be very funny about it as well. They don't have schtick that they hash out like so many do. They just fuck around with people's preconceived notions of what is acceptable, and funny. None of that made any sense, but so what. I don't need to have a point!!!!

  • March 3, 2000, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Matt & Trey: National Treasures

    by Justin Sane

    ...finally, some more like-minded people when it comes to making your films. If you can't do it right, fuck with the studio until they give in. I hope these two are around for a long, long time. Oh... and when the hell is DVDA coming to San Francisco?! It better be on their tour...

  • March 3, 2000, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Lorax

    by coop

    Hey Lorax, I agree with you that organized religion and it's us vs. them mentality is the cause of too much bloodshed in our history but just to clear things up, it wasn't the Christians that wanted to kill all the Jews in Germany (although many still didn't stand up for them or even give a shit) but just to keep our facts straight, the Jews were killed because Hitler blamed the jews for all things wrong with the country just like many racist in this country do (and they don't speak for Christians although some think they do). As long as we are going to show the ignorance of people like "Concerned Parent" let's try to keep unbiased.

  • March 3, 2000, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Chef singing.

    by PlaidCow

    Chef has like one solo line at the end of the movie. But I having a feeling it was their intent not to have him sing since he sings on all the other shows. Kind of a joke. Just a theory, Tha plaidcow

  • March 3, 2000, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Carmina Burana (and more)

    by Tom (aka Me)

    Continuing on this whole Carmina Burana getting screwed around in the movies and trailers, let me bring up another song... It's used in at least as many trailers, and is equally as apocalpytic and epic in sound. You might have heard it on recent TV ads for Scream 3, or maybe at the end of the trailer for "Hush" (you can see the trailer at www.movie-list.com). So who is the composer? What is the song? I DON'T KNOW! And it's driving me nuts. I would love to know who this composer is, and the name of the song. If anyone DOES know, please, PLEASE tell me! ...no, seriously.

  • March 3, 2000, 9:41 p.m. CST

    concerned parent=ignorance=kids killing kids

    by roberino20

    First of all, if the concerned parent is for real and not some hack, then we probably have something to argue about. First of all, it's Total Recall, not Total Return. It's kind of like Bob Dole citing Natural Born Killers as a catalyst to create and breed violent youth. He argues this in front of congress without even seeing the damn film@!! It is a person like concerned parent that completely believes her children are in the arms of christ while they are in the basement making pipe bombs. Come on, get off of your ass and figure out what makes your 3 christ loving kids tick, rather than put up a guise that jesus loves everyone. Also, who are you to tell me that i am souless and lack morals? I am a film student, and have studied almost every aspect of film and every genre of film, and i can tell you that if you are so afraid of something you don't know anything about- learn the opinion first hand. See the movies that you are harking on- are you afraid that you (GASP!) may enjoy them? Don't be a sheep and follow the flock of your church. If your church tells you something is unacceptable- make the decision for yourself. Roberino out.

  • March 3, 2000, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Fart: The Most Offensive Word

    by Jinxo

    Hey, didn't you all know fart is the worst of the 4 letter words? I have a computer Scrabble game that will accept a lot of foul language as valid but will not let you use "fart". Even better though was watching ABC excise the word "fart" from the film Mallrats. There is a huge scene with the main characters discussing farting in front of their girlfriends. ABC left the scene exactly the same except they replaced "fart" with "vomit". Truly bizzare. "You vomited in front of her." "What can I say, when I relax it just happens." Huh??? And this is ABC who happily airs much worse language on N.Y.P.D. Blue. I can only assume that fart is the most deadly word in the English language.

  • March 4, 2000, 6:11 a.m. CST

    Concerned Parent sure picked a good subject to bag!

    by 1-Long-Dong

    Well well well...what we have here is a "Concerned-Parent" who obviously either isn't a REAL parent or just isn't for real! (And if she IS a parent, then God help her AND her children!) I'm starting to believe that 'Concerned Parent' was actually an extra on the 'set' of South Park: B, L, & U. Or maybe her name is actually Sheila Brovslovski? She is missing the plot just as the 'parents' in the S.P. movie did. They (C.P. included) lose the plot by blaming the movies and every other irrelevant partie(s) involved that their kids are being clouded by feral thoughts. Concerned Parent needs to realise that "R" ratings are placed on movies for a reason. And irresponsible parents who actually 'allow' their kids to see such movies must have real issues...either that, or they really couldn't give a shit 'bout their kiddies. So how do you think those kids ended up with guns in their school bags? According to our dear "Concerned Parent", guns 'magically' appear in children's school bags after watching violent movies. <BOOM BOOM!> WRONG! Irresponsible parents who leave firearms readily accessible to children are the blame...NOT the movie in which the child wasn't supposed to watch (by law) in the first place. I rest my case. I think 'Concerned Parent' should actually watch the S.P. movie and see for herself that she is a complete role model of the South Park parents who overlooked the REAL problem. SHE PISSES ME OFF! Yeah I want more Cheesey Poofs!

  • March 4, 2000, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Improvement

    by Custom Van

    Whether a person happens to be a fan of Trey Parker's work or not is not important. His quality of writing has made a very impressive movement foward. Unlike most comedic talent, which tends to hit its peak and dwindle off in quality, his writing improves with each film. Starting with Cannibal, then Orgazmo, and finally South Park. I hope his next project will be Fuzzies. Fuzzies is a script of his that has been floating around for a few years. Anyone who has heard the premise can agree that this could easily become a comedy classic for the entire dysfunctional family.

  • March 4, 2000, 6:53 p.m. CST

    The thing that makes my hackles sit up and turn red.

    by The Crazy FoX

    The thing about South Park is that like the overrated, but amusing British Comedian Ali-G it makes fun of the very people that it is aimed at. The lowest common denominator who bray like donkeys when the antics of terrance and Phillip appear onscreen. They then LITERALLY tell the audiance that they are morons for laughing, usually followed by more fart jokes and louder laughing. Ask ANYBODY what their favourite tune is and the answer will invariably be "Uncle Fucker". The Clever broadway musical Parody of "Up there" and the brilliant HMS Petticoat routine "La Resistance" are wasted on an audiance of slack-jawed chimps who get there jollies from the one-dimensional Canadian duo. The very adults who slate South park should sit down and watch an episode and actually THINK about what is being said. Whilst every episode, and the film break the tabboo barrier wide open, they always seem to do it with good intentions, examining and dispariaging the ridiculous trappings of our society rather than revveling in them. Like the Simpsons, this is wasted on fools and children. A true poster-child for a new generation of intelligent animation. Gone are the days when a cat having his head smashed with an ironing board by a smug mouse would entertain everybody. Matt and Trey are pioneers of subversive entertainment, and rather than buying the overpriced dolls of every existing character, we should pay more attention to the subtexts of their many projects. Some good, some not so good, but all worthy of a look. I heartily reccomend BASEketball, and Cannibal the musical as well. Got Milk?

  • March 4, 2000, 7:43 p.m. CST

    I agree....

    by EL Duderino

    ORGAZMO is definately one of the funniest films I have ever seen. Everything from the hamster style to "SANCHO!!" was hilarious. Definately underrated. And the soundtrack was just awesome! The music playing during the scene where Joe Young and Choda Boy beat up those thugs at the club was way cool! I think that Trey Parker and Matt Stone should try to get that back into theaters with an R rating if they ever get enough energy back together to do so...

  • March 4, 2000, 10:07 p.m. CST

    by Lester Diamond

    MALLRATS was on ABC? Did they leave in "she was going down on me at the time" before the vomit part? If they did I *really* don't understand network TV. If there was all of this cut footage and these different trailers and stuff for SOUTH PARK: B,L,&U, and Matt and Trey love to talk about the MPAA and all, then why is the DVD so pussied out? It barely has anthing on it. Is Paramount being that bitter about it? Usually studios let it all hang out for the DVDs.

  • March 5, 2000, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Mpaa

    by Cbrown

    I hat the the rating systewm as much as anybody but wat was it south park COULDN'T get away with. I mean was it a half hour baby fucking scene that hit the cutting room floor. Did Jesuse screw cartman in the ass at the end of the picture. I mean really they went as far as you can go and further. I don't see waht else they could put in there with out making it a porno and this coming from a guy who saw the movie 4 times. I think both sides are full of shit on this one.

  • March 6, 2000, 1:39 a.m. CST

    I met Jesus once...

    by Flagg

    He was picking up my garbage and yelled at me for leaving a couch out there...

  • March 6, 2000, 1:39 a.m. CST

    I met Jesus once...

    by Flagg

    He was picking up my garbage and yelled at me for leaving a couch out there...

  • March 6, 2000, 11:54 a.m. CST

    The composer of Carmina Burana is...

    by UnclePuppethead

    Carl Orff... The only song they ever use from it is O Fortuna. BTW, as much as I'm glad they got the oscar nod, I always thought that "La Resistance" is a better song. Oh well, hopefully that'll mean a DVD rerelease with the words "Oscar Award Winning" above the title. Hoo-haa!