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Update! Here's a DVD case for "Walking Dead's" second season You can read more about it at MTV.com
The 14th (!) episode of “The Walking Dead” airing tonight, titled “Nebraska,” picks up immediately after the events of the Nov. 27 episode, which featured the return of Little Sophia.
It’s an aftermath installment that predictably kicks off with a lot of harsh words.
I can’t not recommend the episode because what happens with kindly veterinarian Hershel Greene, I sense, will be important to what happens in subsequent episodes -- but I have issues with this episode and spoiler considerations dictate that I can’t really get into them until after the episode airs.
AMC says of “Nebraska”:
Rick and the others try to restore order in the aftermath of a terrible discovery. Hershel takes up an old habit and disappears, Rick and Glenn must follow him into town.
* “Nebraska” is a big episode for Lori.
* “Nebraska” reminded me more than most “Walking Dead” episodes of George Romero’s original 1968 “Night of the Living Dead.”
* Those fellows in the second clip hail from Pennsylvania.
Watch Downton Abbey Season 2: Episode 6 Preview on PBS. See more from Masterpiece.
Also returning tonight:
Talking Dead (11:59pm AMC) Feb. 12
Worst Cooks In America (9pm Food) Feb. 12
Premiering tonight:
Comic Book Men (10pm AMC) looks at the longtime employees of filmmaker Kevin Smith’s comic book store in New Jersey.
Full Metal Jousting (10pm History) is exactly what you think it is: two men trying to knock each other off horses with giant poles.
Last Sunday’s Super Bowl was the most-watched piece of TV programming of all time. So if your show ever hits a 40.6 in adults 18-49, it’s doing really well.
Sundays, Dec. 25, 2011-Feb. 5, 2012
(Adults 18-49; repeats in gray; older weeks in parentheses)
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--- (2.2) (1.1) (2.0) (2.7) (1.1) (0.6) The Good Wife
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1.1 (3.1) (---) (4.4) (3.1) (1.7) (1.0) Family Guy
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1.0 (2.4) (---) (---) (2.2) (1.5) (1.0) American Dad
1.0 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) NCIS
0.9 (---) (---) (0.8) (---) (0.9) (---) History Sunday
0.9 (---) (1.0) (---) (---) (---) (---) SpongeBob
0.8 (1.3) (---) (---) (2.2) (1.3) (0.8) Cleveland Show
0.8 (2.4) (---) (5.4) (2.3) (1.5) (0.8) The Simpsons
0.7 (1.9) (1.1) (1.2) (1.4) (---) (---) AFH Videos
0.6 (2.3) (1.2) (1.5) (2.6) (1.2) (0.9) CSI Miami
0.6 (2.1) (3.3) (4.4) (---) (---) (---) Napoleon Dynamite
0.5 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) The Middle
0.5 (0.7) (0.7) (0.7) (0.8) (---) (---) Shameless
0.5 (1.5) (1.5) (1.5) (4.8) (2.9) (0.9) 60 Minutes
0.5 (3.0) (2.3) (3.0) (---) (---) (---) Undercover Boss
0.4 (0.6) (---) (0.4) (0.5) (---) (---) House of Lies
0.2 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Luck
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Readers Talkback
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...instead I'll just say I hope they start the move on towards the prison.
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So I looked it up at IMDB and it has 9/10. Is this talkback mentioning the British version, or is there a lesser Americanized version? Also on Walking Dead.. They eventually reach a prison? That would seem like a safe heaven, should be interesting
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...they spent spinning their wheels at the farm, if they make it to the prison, I can't imagine how long they'll spend in that setting. I find the idea of them running into the Gov. and his men a lot more interesting.
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Wasn't quite sure after episode 1 but last week's was great. It's got great characters, rich back stories and as ever Milch's dialogue is fantastic
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Glad I jumped off the sinking ship. History Network really needs to change their name to Hillbilly Network.
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You may have a long wait for an American version... Anyways, it is an incredibly gripping show. I think you can watch all eps online at PBS.org. FMJ? I'm sure it didn't replace one of their other reality shows but instead merely squeezed out more history programming. I too gave up cable a while back.
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Feb. 12, 2012, 7:17 a.m. CST
I heard in a recent writers' panel how they wrote the first half of The Walking Dead's second season and it explains a lot --
by unfaithfullyyours
Apparently, they wrote the scripts for all 6 episodes at the same time, which I'm not sure has ever been done before. I think perhaps this explains some of the wonky pacing issues. Hopefully, they've changed that practice for the second half of the season so we get a better narrative build in the storytelling.
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Feb. 12, 2012, 8:07 a.m. CST
Will the Grammys turn into a remembrance for Whitney Houston?
by I_Love_LanaLang
The timing of her death must lead to a bit of an overhaul for the Grammys programming.
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Feb. 12, 2012, 8:13 a.m. CST
Lesson learned from Whitney Houston: Don't do drugs.
by I_Love_LanaLang
I saw some video of her when she was younger and in the prime of her career. She was an attractive looking woman. I also saw some recent video of her and she was a wreck. She had become a hollowed out shell of her former self. Please people, don't even dabble with illicit drugs. All they lead to is a life of misery and early death. Just Say "No!'
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the show continues on where it left off..young sofia is dead..then they hear a noise..one more zombie in the barn...to everyones shock and disbelief..its witney houston
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Hopefully that means they kill off the Step N Fetchit "T Dawg" and insert Tyrese into the story.
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Feb. 12, 2012, 9:01 a.m. CST
Maybe The Walking Dead is actually referring to the living people
by Mugato5150
Because they're all so lifeless and just sort of going through the motions. The only interesting character is the redneck.
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Feb. 12, 2012, 9:18 a.m. CST
It`s a bad sign when you skip thru the dull character bits to get to the lack of zombies..
by higgledyhiggles
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Feb. 12, 2012, 9:36 a.m. CST
They need to bring back the dad from Mallrats and kill off Short Round.
by Mugato5150
Actually, scrap it all and get another cast altogether. Go global like World War Z.
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Unfortunately, he's probably getting written out of the show. The same insider/TBer who claimed to have worked on the show before getting fired and revealed-beat for beat with photos-Sophia coming out of the barn also said "don't get too attached to Daryl." I have a feeling that Merle's coming back and Daryl ends up dead.
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Normally, I like major character deaths, but Daryl is the only guy who's remotely interesting.
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because he has a character arc. He was raised to be a selfish racist asshole like his brother but he evolved beyond that. but if they kill him there may be hope for his brother Larry and his other brother Daryl.
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Oh, my quintessential queen of quality. You never cease to amaze me with your arsenal of awesomeness. I have to stop thinking :"What will this wondrous woman do next?" The answer has become a cliche: "Amaze me and inspire me. AGAIN." I am very impressed by your take on drugs, oh phenomenal paragon of love. Now just tell me you don't smoke just to amaze me some more. As if I haven't been amazed enough by you lately. I salute you, my empress of electrifying excellence.
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Weed is still glorious.
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I mean, seriously, is anyone in this feedback going to be talking about anything aside from the return of "The Walking Dead"? (I thought Pan Am was already canceled? Was that wrong? And as far as Fear Factor goes, jeez...at this point it's just kind of torturing the contestants, and not in a terribly interesting way.) Of course, if anyone is in the mood for a wee bit of Lucas-bashing, I'm always up for that...
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I do hope the second half of the season is much better though. The first half seems to have been written with an emphasis on saving money.
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I wonder how much the early showing in December hurt it. The word of mouth couldn't have been too good either. It's a shame Milch is wasted on lackluster projects after Deadwood. What a dumb network HBO has become.
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Feb. 12, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST
Luck is real good...and Karry Condon is sure easy on the eyes!
by tritium
Love her wonderful Irish accent. She looks just as good as she did when she was in Rome (Octavia). And you gotta love that she mostly is seen wearing those tight riding breeches...yummy.
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Feb. 12, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST
American Downton Abbey should take place on a slave plantation 1858-1865.
by whatevillurks
Of course it would have to be on HBO.
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I just wanna know how he escaped
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Feb. 12, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST
The Walking Dead went to shit after George Lucas started producing it.
by JudasPriestly
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Feb. 12, 2012, 3:38 p.m. CST
s anyone in this feedback going to be talking about anything aside from the return of "The Walking Dead"?
by Xiphos_2
probably not since TWD is the highest rated non football show on Sundays and the most polarizing. It gets talked about a lot.
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That last episode certainly seemed like a season finale (or mid-season finale). The kind of episode they would do to end their current order of episodes (before getting picked up for the remainder of the season). Is this an unaired episode from earlier in the season, or is the show still in (back in) production? Watching the supposedly last episode a few weeks ago I was really hoping it would end with Cronkite saying that Kennedy survived the shooting in Dallas. I really wanted that crazy internet rumour to be true; that had the show gone on it would have taken place in an alternate reality with Kennedy's Camelot lasting another 4 years.
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Well said. You are absolutely right.
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George Lucas completely fucked up the Walking Dead franchise. That whispered secret at the end of Season One? "In the advanced stage of the contagion, the zombies turn into Jar Jars." That would sap my fucking will to live. On another zombie topic, has anyone who likes written horror checked out "Hamlet Z"? It's like an alternate universe version of Hamlet, but the murder of the king and the subsequent shit that happens completely destroys the order of God's universe, and the dead start rising and marching toward Denmark. The incredible thing about it is, the writer (I forget who it is, never heard of him before) actually writes the thing in blank verse, and you can't tell the shit he wrote apart from Shakespeare's. So you're reading along, then something really fucked up happens that you know couldn't have been part of the original, but it blends so perfectly it seems like it was always that way. The first couple of scenes is free on Amazon in the preview, worth a look: http://www.amazon.com/Hamlet-Z-ebook/dp/B006ZBGBR4 . It blew my mind. That said, if someone wrote an alternate version of The Phantom Menace in George Lucas' style, it would still blow. Even with zombies. And if it turned out to be good somehow, AMC would fire him and slash the budget for the sequel. Yeah. I'm a bitter fuck.
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I'm confused about it. It wasn't bad, but I heard months ago that they had pulled the plug on it, but then I keep seeing it in the listings. Is it dead, or just undead? And if undead, is Christina Ricci staggering around partially or totally nude? If so, I really need to know. Bad.
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Feb. 12, 2012, 4:18 p.m. CST
WAY more excited about the new Once Upon a Time tonight.
by Volllllume3
Like way way waaaaaaaaaaay more.
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I did not know this. Now I'm sorry it's canceled. Might have to check it out. Loves me some Ricci, even if she's too skinny now.
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i didnt care much for the first episode but the second was way better. there are some great actors in it. i dont a shit about horse racing but its not all about that. dustin hoffman is really acting his ass off. its worth watching just for him and Farina together. thank god hes doin something worth his talents again instead of wasting it on those shitty focker movies.
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Feb. 12, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST
Yeah Once Upon a Time is the only thing that I'm looking forward to tonight also.
by room23storeblogspotcom
I have my shows that I enjoy regularly like Alcatraz, Hawaii 5 0, Glee, New Girl, Person of Interest, Office, and Big Bang, but then theres the rare show that I totally dive into and buy all of the DVD's like with Lost and Fringe. Once Upon A Time is quickly aproaching the Lost and Fringe catigory for me.
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Sucks
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that all but one of all the people I know talked about. Are the people I'm close to that disconnected from the rest of the world? Or were they just busy watching the super bowl?
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Feb. 12, 2012, 5:41 p.m. CST
House of Lies tonight, and another potential Emmy submission for Kristen Bell..
by Paul Hanlin Jr
Word.
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So literally no one in the world watched this show, huh? Yeah, I know, I know. It's just funny seeing a flat-out 0.0 on the list.
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theres too much on! Its like a puzzle trying to get my dvr to record everything with no conflicts
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Love it. We're only like ten years from having real Gladiators make a come back. Looking forward to it.
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First episode was ok, 2nd episode was fantastic, I am really looking forward to see what happens next.
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She doesn't seem to mind
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Feb. 12, 2012, 7:49 p.m. CST
I, for one, support Kerry Condon's God-given right to get Nekkid!!!
by tritium
Furthermore, I would encourage her to do it as often as possible.
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It's turned out to be a pretty quality show. Lots of good actors.... From that guy in stargate universe, to the guy who owned the chicken place in breaking bad, to... I can't remember any others right now. But the girl playing red riding hood is hot.
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Feb. 12, 2012, 8:10 p.m. CST
WTF, was mom and kid holding a conversation among those dead, zombie bodies?!
by HollywoodHellraiser
This show continues to amaze me! That is the kid with the Wolverine-like healing factor isn't it?
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Feb. 12, 2012, 8:23 p.m. CST
Is there a reason the blonde couldn't ride in the front?
by HollywoodHellraiser
I mean seriously what reason did she have to ride in the back? Also why are they handling dead bodies with gloves and mask? Who's running this show????
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Essentially, he blamed the ghost of Frank Darabont for the listless first half of Season 2, but he's listened to the fans, and from now on it's going to be pure awesomeness. I can't confirm this, of course, because I've never watched the show apart from episode, which in retrospect was one episode too many. And why is Paul McCartney's mother doing promos?
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http://www.salon.com/2012/02/11/walking_dead_creator_get_ready_for_breakneck_pace/ He really doesn't sound like he has the brainpower to regulate his own heartbeat, let alone be a show-runner.
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Feb. 12, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST
Kirkman trying to blame Darabont for S2 first half?!
by HollywoodHellraiser
LOL yeah right! Kirkman stick to your comicbooks!
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Feb. 12, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST
Give me a break. Rick's pregnant wife getting in a car wreck is BAD STORYTELLING!
by tritium
Are we, as viewers, supposed to view her actions as logical? Did she think she was going to help bring Rick and Glenn back any faster by going off on her own to get them. And what are the chances that she hits a lone walker, just when she happens to have her eyes off the road. This is getting embarrasing.
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In LOVE ACTUALLY we learned that it's ... *Don't BUY drugs ... become a Rock Star, and they give them to you FREE!!! happybunni ... I think the term you were reaching for is ... safe 'haven'.
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Feb. 12, 2012, 8:56 p.m. CST
I just found out that McFarlane has cancelled TWD comic series figures --
by MooseMalloy
-- I'M SO PISSED OFF!
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Feb. 12, 2012, 9:01 p.m. CST
Didn't know hitting a zombie could make someone overturn their ride!
by HollywoodHellraiser
A guess hitting a deer could cause an inferno!
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Not my favorite episode, but solid. And I loved seeing the episode end with The Regulator, by Clutch. That was one of the first songs I learned on guitar, and the first fingerstyle song.
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I gave up on Lost (idiot characters always running off alone) for the same reason I am now putting Walking Dead on notice.
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There was alot of dumb and/or pointless shit in that episode, but that whole scene with the guys in the bar was superb I thought. hoping its a sign of things to come (probably not)
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I think Shane wont live through the season.
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Feb. 12, 2012, 9:42 p.m. CST
One of these days, the people will wake up and realize that...
by Mr. Nice Gaius
...zombies are fucking stupid.
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I guess the zombie apocalypse turns humans into whiney bitches
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Towards the end of an episode something happens. The idiot morons will claims it "best thing ever" as if that one particular scene saves the whole boring episode! Just like Lost. And Just like TWD have been doing since the middle of S1.
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Blondie's turning into a zombie, methinks.
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I had hoped it would pick up again. Damn was Iwrong. 30 minutes and I can tell it's all over.
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...that THIS was the premier we got. Redundent snoozefest. And then they give me the bar scene and a fuckin' CLUTCH song and get me pumped up for more...
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Once Lorie's car flipped, so did I with the channel.
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Feb. 12, 2012, 11:27 p.m. CST
God, i watch this show every time expecting it to get good.
by Wolfman Nards
And it never does. It gives these little flickers of potential greatness but just totally loses me. I was hoping they would start the mid season premiere just driving away from the farm, but here we are again and now just totally fucking stuck here.
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It has conclusions.... he can jump to! That character has become such a bitch. I wanted to like him too. Him figuring out that Shane shot Otis and used him for bate is just lazy fucking writing.
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I came here to share in the lovefest with fans of the show. DERP! Haters gotta hate, posting their hate in real-time as they watch it. ...posting in real-time as they watch it. ...every week. Never missing an episode. You guys are pathetic hypocrites, and we see right through your bullshit. You'll be back here with the same BS next week, and every week, until the show is finally canceled, then you'll whine about that.
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So much potential spoiled. So much audience and fan interest wasted. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU THINKING KIRKMAN? The Walking Dead is now as dissapointing to me as Boardwalk Empire. Understand this: your IP can fall off the radar of public fascination just as quickly as it rose in the first place. GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER before you find your L.A. privileges revoked.
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If you thought Season 2 of Boardwalk Empire was disappointing, I honestly don't know what to say to you. It was a massive improvement over the first season.
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The bar scene was awesome and so was most of the ep. But Laurie out on the road playing chicken with a zombie. That's a major red flag. You are on notice TWD. It just doesn't fit the show at all. There be zombies here act accordingly is all I'm saying. By the way Rick is the leader I don't even know why this is up for debate.
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The final straw was Eli whacking Jimmy, not because it fit the narrative but because they wanted Michael Pitt off the show.
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Better pick u the pace before the audience falls asleep. They need to burn that farm to the ground.
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Beauty and the Beast is my favorite Disney movie and I loved how they used the story. Great stuff and great character building!
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you can't have zombies running all over the place, every episode... anyone ever venture out to farms before? There's nothing around there, so it should not be a surprise that there isn't a lot of zombies out there but other farming families. Looked like Hershel had a ton of his neighbors locked up in the barn already. It is a little slower than I'd like, but really, its more a survivor story and people cracking under the pressure than a Michael Bay film.
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Umm it's been more like where's the dead little girl let's look for her for 6 episodes. Then 1/2 of tonight's was woe is us at the farm. It didn't pick up till the last 15 mins.
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The popular wisdom is that the Simpsons went bad after the twelfth season. But I've been watching the fourteenth season and it's pretty damn funny. A good Treehouse, The Rolling Stones, Large Marge, Marge on Steroids, a spoof of Epcott. All good solid episodes. Maybe it's the world that gets less humorous every year and the Simpsons only looks great in retrospect.
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and I'll be the first to admit the episode was slow with an action mcnugget thrown in to keep people coming back BUT the Walking Dead is by far one of the best shows on television. The "holy shit" moments and watercooler talking points are either really fun or just flat out breath taking. and I love these Jersey Shore survivalist starting shit.
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Name 3 shows on tv currently, better than the Walking Dead? Yeah I said "haters", deal with it.
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Breaking Bad, Doctor Who, and Luther.
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and I'll be damned if this mofo didn't just use the BBC for two out three of his picks.
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Feb. 13, 2012, 1:27 a.m. CST
The Walking Dead season two raped by childhood
by DanielnocharismaCraig
With no protection or lube. Just penetrating raw dog style. After having to endure how boring the characters and general story are I'm going to be joining a counseling group to deal with this tragic murder of my inner innocence.
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Feb. 13, 2012, 1:29 a.m. CST
Man, could Downton Abbey have been more opposite of Walking Dead tonight?
by Hercules
I mean, beyond the fact that Downton has many fewer zombies and rednecks. Downton felt like it packed a season's worth of plot into one two-hour episode. Walking Dead felt like 10 minutes of plot stretched thinly over an hour.
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Feb. 13, 2012, 1:33 a.m. CST
The cardinal sin of this show is characters being absolutely inconsistent, then waxing philosophic about it WAAAAAY too much.
by dockealy
What utterly shitty writing tonight's episode was. I have recently been catching up on the last 3 seasons of Dexter via netflix and THAT'S how you write a propelling, constantly interesting show. Make TWD look absolutely amateur hour. I've got nothing against a slow-burn kind of show, but these utterly inconsistent characters and STUPID, STUPID choices they make...ugh. The bar scene was a glimmer of what this show could and SHOULD be.
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Feb. 13, 2012, 1:33 a.m. CST
Mugato5150, the title the Walking Dead DOES refer to the living and not the Zombies...
by Kai_Mah'gra
.....and it's not just in reference to their perilous situation but also because (Spoilers) they are ALL Walkers.....and by walkers I don't just mean 'walkers waiting to happen once they get bit'. Later on in the story it shall be revealed and become clear why they are 'The Walking Dead', but yeah the title refers to the living people, not the dead Zombies.
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But an hour long is a bit much.
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1) Dr. Hershel Greene's blonde daughter is dying of zombie-bite fever. The boys find Hershel and, instead of rushing him back to the farm to treat her, decide to share a leisurely drink with him. "Beth collapsed. Is in some sort of state." "What could I do? She need her (dead) mother." WTF? Hershel! I don't care how many you had! Your daughter collapsed. You're the closest thing to a doctor we've seen since the advent of the zombie apocalypse! Glen and I are now going to drag you to the truck. Put down that glass and kindly try to sober up on the way back!! 2) When the daughter's fever gets worse, Lori decides to risk herself and her unborn baby to drive into town and tell Rick and Glen to hurry it up. Given the stakes, why would she assume Rick and Glen weren't already fetching Hershel at top speed? 3) Too much digging and loading and washing and pulling up weeds this week.
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We should be seeing which direction Britt decided to go on Terriers, not hanging out in a bar with Mr. Twitch. Face it, TWD is just a better version of Heroes. Good concept, poorly executed.
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Seen them 4 times. Didn't hear the song in the episode though as I found the pilot for Walking Dead dull and haven't watched since. Glad they are using good songs though.
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Nucky whacked Jimmy. In fact they made a point during that scene of telling us Jimmy wouldn't be killed by Eli. Just sayin.
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Feb. 13, 2012, 6 a.m. CST
I couldn't hear a word certain LUCK cast members were saying in ep 1
by BenBraddock
Is the mix in ep 2 any better? I'm ready to loke it, but that first ep left me kind of cold..
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Feb. 13, 2012, 6:33 a.m. CST
it's strange maybe but i quite liked the first 3 or 4 episodes of Walking Dead thia season
by alexander
and then I thought it completely went to shit. Downtown Abbey; everyone only seems to have good things to say about that show, so maybe after finally giving Once Upon a Time a go...
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Feb. 13, 2012, 7:23 a.m. CST
Dang, as much as I hate to admit it, if this is the first ep written without Frank, the show may be better off without him ...
by unfaithfullyyours
This was the best episode of the series. More, please!
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I realize that trying to 'out-clever' the next complainer is a AICN tradition, but please ... if the only thing that will please you, re DEAD, is the kind of story that can only credibly take place in the panicky, 'what is happening' world of the first few hours/days of an outbreak (and sure, those are some cool moments - Rick stumbling out of the hospital; first encounter w/ overrun Atlanta)... point made, to death, and tiresomely repeated. For me, the show is trying to intelligently deal with what comes next, and doing a really good job of it. You guys complain and complain about the Michael Bays of the world, then bash this show because it isn't "zombie massacre" action for 55 of the 60world minutes. Old.
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I've been watching since Ep. 1. I've read all but the last 2 comics. There is so much potential here and just seems to be wasted. I've been giving the show a chance to improve, and have not seen it. In fact, last night was a step backwards, IMHO. Hershel's daughter obviously is going to turn into a zombie, and he will be the one to kill her. The whole Laurie gets in a car accident -- took all my will power not to stop watching at that point. The whole slow-mo vehicle crash has been done to death. Yes, I am glad I didn't stop watching due to the bad-ass Rick ending, but my patience with this show is now done. If next week's episode doesn't take a <i>major</i> step forward, then I am done.<br>
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Its that they spend each episode talking about things that never get resolved.
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It's a resounding "SNORE" of an episode. The contrived single zombie in the road car crash which is clearly leading to a miscarriage was the worst offender, but certainly not the only one. I know Rick is evolving into a badass, but he is wasting everyone's friggin' time with his continual talk and talk and talk. *** spoiler potential *** I heard that because of his new gig, Shane's days are numbered and he's going to be the Deux Ex Machina for Rick's transformation into hard case dude. I say 'bout damn time, and let's get on with it. The hour is getting late and my patience for a truly apocalyptic storyline to emerge grows thin.
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Just got done watching every episode and it was griping as Hell. Excellent tv. Looking forward to tonights new installment of TWD, but I echo an earlier poster ...where's the Spartacus Talkback ? The new season has been pretty damn good, and the cliffhanger for Friday's episode had me on the edge of my seat !!!!!!
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Feb. 13, 2012, 8:16 a.m. CST
Hercules, where are you coming up with the daughter, being bitten?
by Nick
I rewatched it... that was never said. Sure, she has the symptoms, but everyone there thinks it's a combination of shock and panic. Hopefully you aren't spoiling something from a future episode.
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No more finding flowers and being helpful. he's even giving people nicknames.
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Feb. 13, 2012, 8:19 a.m. CST
atari... if you THINK the Walking Dead comics are good... you have no taste to be judging anything...
by Nick
First maybe, 8 issues were fine... but man, that comic went pretty "stupid" after 10 issues. The prison.. .the governor... zombie gladiator games.... not to mention, canibals eating a certian person's "legs" while he is alive... then the shit at the community!!! Then of course, falling back on the "son getting shot, AGAIN!" plot device.... comic fucking sucks...
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Feb. 13, 2012, 8:29 a.m. CST
atari said it best "wasted potential" TWD was more of the same...boring suck fest...at least there was 1 zombie for 1 second
by MoneyGrabSequel
this show is killing me, please get better. Hire the writers from 24 or something
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If this show had 5 kills an episode... IT WOULD GET OLD FAST. If fucking Alien came out today, you guys would cry that there was only ONE ALIEN... and it killed ONLY 5 PEOPLE... Don't like the show, DON'T FUCKING WATCH IT.... this culture of watching shit, just to bitch... man, you fuckers need some tampons.
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Yes of course it is a miscarriage plot device, but man just like most of you the minute her car overturned I went into full groan mode. Why? Because it basically will tend to throw the anchor out again on another boring plot point. Now they will find her, Herschel will have to give her a pussy cleaning, she will be bed ridden for a week or so etc. That said...I love the show, most of you homo's don't post anything unless it is negative so fuck off and die.
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Looks oh so boring to me in the trailers I have seen..seriously some of you seem to love that type of show yet come into a thread like this one and bash the crap out of this show because there is not enough killing of zombies going on.
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guess at some point i have to watch the series, hear too much good stuff about it.
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Caller asked if the proximity of the mom to the daughters mouth and the lingering face to face means that the virus or whatever has now gone airborne. Showrunner said you'll find out in the next couple episodes and looked genuinely surprised someone had asked that.
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While the last person I want to hear a valid criticism from is fucking Dave Navarro, he's actually echoing the sentiments that most forgiving fans of the show are voicing now: the show is dragging what, in the comics, was a five-page plot point into an entire meandering season of television. I respect that AMC is trying to save money, despite the fact that they appear to be killing the goose that laid the golden eggs, but they seem to be missing the point of the show entirely. The novelty of "The Walking Dead" was that it was a zombie movie for television, nothing more, nothing less. To try and maximize profits by culling the show's appeal -- a zombie apocalypse every week on television -- is patently ridiculous and self-destructive.</p><p> Unfortunately, every problem the show has is rooted in drawing out what, at best, should have been covered in two or three episodes. Without zombies every ten minutes, the writers have to come up with conflicts and scenarios to pad out the time that don't cost money ... so they're stuck with a pack of assholes on a prolonged camping trip. You didn't really notice it much in the first six episodes, because you were consistently blown away by how far AMC kept pushing Standards & Practices and because they at least had the resources to throw zombies into the frame every five minutes, but the potential was always there. Now, they have to stretch every dilemma out to an unrealistic conclusion, since they can't just bring up something, then have zombies stumble out of the woods at the drop of a hat, so you get a half-hour bitchfest about which female character should be allowed to carry a gun, or why Shane's still hung up on the plain-Jane housewife when they slightly more-attractive single blonde chick actually wants his junk, or why THEY KEEP FUCKING GOING BACK TO TOWN FOR SHIT WHEN THEY COULD JUST FIND A FLATBED AND CLEAN IT OUT IN ONE SHOT. Anyway, I don't blame any of that on Daranbont's departure, I blame it on AMC pissing out their own fire before it really even got a chance to get out of the gate.
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Feb. 13, 2012, 8:49 a.m. CST
So far TWD is following Lost's playbook for pace...Season 1 of Lost was
by Dogmatic
all about deep character focus and moving things along at a steady pace. Season 2 they were stuck in that bloody hatch ALL season and it really languished and the flashbacks got stretchy and longer to string the show out. But THEN we got the kick-ass awesomery of Season 3....so let's HOPE that The Walking Dead takes a page out of THAT playbook too.
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Feb. 13, 2012, 8:49 a.m. CST
How does Dale know EXACTLY what happened between Shane and Otis
by JGer
Did I miss something or is this just a huge, ridiculous leap he has made? Everyone was complaining about how could they not know the girl was in the barn but this to me is by far the biggest leap of common sense on the show.
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It's in Herc's Friday TV lineup post as always.
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The Talking Dead was a good sounding board for frustrated viewers. Navarro was correct when he said the first half of the season was wasted at the farmhouse and we were promised the second half would be action packed, and then last night they were back at the farmhouse. And I could care less that the title refers to the living. The characters, with the exception of Daryl, just aren't interesting enough to sustain interest without the zombie threat/action. And the poor acting just makes it worse.
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That Shane is no good..he seen Shane raise his weapon and point it at Rick while Rick wasn't looking and that turned Dale off to Shane forever. He also knew Shane was screwing Rick's wife and is now pissed that Rick is back because no more pussy for Shane. Now Shane comes back from going away with Otis looking all guilty and shit and he takes the leap that Otis met his demise with some help from Shane.
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It's the show's only weakness for me, other than predictability at times. Mary is a stuck up cunt that looks down on everyone not in her social standing, aside from her ass-kissing servants of course who help her cover up the fact that she's a whore.
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Feb. 13, 2012, 9:01 a.m. CST
Dale Guessing EXACTLY What Happened To Otis Is Simply LAZY WRITING
by Graphix67
And anyone that tries to justify it and tries to explain it is just being an enabler.
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Feb. 13, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST
Turned it off when Rick's wife got in the car to leave. FU, writers.
by Behemoth
Anyone who thinks last night's episode was "good" needs a mule kicking to the spleen. That moment was so incredibly, mind-numbingly stupid and (said with a lisp) inconceivable. It's become like a literal soap opera now. We've got the car crash, we had someone lost for weeks, we have constant "impassioned" discussions about the same ... damn ... things, over and over and over. Next, we'll have someone stealing some else's identity, or an "evil twin" showing up. Oh, but one thing we DON'T have much of? EFFING ZOMBIES AND THE DESTRUCTION OF SAID!! I've pretty much come to hate all these characters. They are so stupid, so narcissistic, so unlikable. If someone doesn't eat that a-hole Dale very, VERY soon ... Well, this has become a DVR event for me now. DVR it and let the fast forwarding begin. This show has become absolutely suck ass.
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Feb. 13, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST
Most reasonable explanation for Dale knowing Shane shot Otis
by Nerd Rage
Dale is Batman.
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I mean it is not necessary that Dale know Shane killed Otis for him to dislike him. Oviously this underlying theme they are trying to develop, that people like Shane are built for this new world while people like Dale aren't, and Rick is kind of in the middle of the two, could still be built upon without Dale basically revealing that he managed to watch an episode of Talking Dead at some point on the Winnebago. There is no logical explanation for Dale knowing not only that Shane killed Otis but that he sacrificed him to get away. It's just silly.
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I understand you were making a joke but the title The Walking Dead does indeed refer to the survivors, not the zombies.
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You might say that all the time, not realizing how stupid you sound.
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I never said it was good, just that there is potential in the comics that is not being realized on the TV series.<br>
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Was absolute garbage, no doubt about it. Why she would even feel the need to go get them is beyond me, it was just stupid crap. The whole room full of people that I was watching with were trashing the show loudly up until that point, and it only got louder then. But then, the scene with the two assholes in the bar happened. It was tense, smart, and had characters acting exactly as they should in that sort of situation. It was well written and well acted, and most of all Rick was finally a bad ass. I hope they can harness that again, because that scene was great TV.
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I agree with all the hate on the ridiculous car crash stuff and the good vibes on the Rick badassery at the end of the episode. Does anybody here know why Rick still carries the police radio on his belt? Is he the only one with one of these radios other than the one he left with Morgan (Lennie James) in Season 1? If the group has another radio they should be in constant communications when one group or person leaves camp on a mission. If they DON'T have another radio, it seems pretty imperative that they OBTAIN one. Instead of logical behavior from the characters in an EndWorld situation, we get naval-gazing. Verdict - lazy writing. I WANT this show to be good, but man, it's just NOT right now. We know good writing when we see it on Justified, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones and a handful of others. Why is it so hard for these guys to get it right? You can WRITE good stories and scripts without a big budget, they are just NOT doing it. Still crossing fingers, still hoping for better, but DAMN.
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It was strange, the rest of the show was nothing like that, all of a sudden, they do this brilliant scene that is worthy of Justified. You have intense performances, a great location with the bar, awesome, realistic dialogue and just a gut punch of an ending. Even the song at the end was note perfect, it was like a moment of brilliance out of nowhere that shows these writers have talent. I just wish they could get more consistent like that.
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Doh! Seriously. I loved when Daryl calls her "Olive Oil" LMFAO. But having Laurie get in the car in the first place to chase after Rick was stooooopid. Then her hitting that lone walker while looking at the map...was just friggin retarded. It would have been better to have a zombie attack at the farm then have Laurie go running off on her own. So what does that mean? Rick gets back to find Laurie missing? And we spend another 5 weeks searching for a missing person like we did with Sophie? LOL. The entire group should be eaten off except for Daryl IMHO. A lone crossbow weilding Daryl wandering the post apocalyptic Zombie landscape like Caine in Kung Fu would make for a much better series. I am with Navarro when he said on the "Talking Dead" that there weren't enough zombies, that the farm was getting old, and when he joked about Hershel's daughter being sick by saying "Oh great! Another 6 episodes of a bed ridden character!" LOL. Seriously. Love the series...and i have nothin against character development...but TWD is getting a bit talky for its own good, with plot points being dragged out waaaaaay too long.
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Rick put his first shot through the head of our Jersey Terrier, but his first two shots were to the torso of the fat guy. His third shot splashed the brain pan of Fasto. Then Rick walked over to check his work, ready to put another in the noggin if necessary. I think this goes back to the conversation Rick had with the doctor at the CDC - the doc probably whispered "We're all infected" or words to that effect. Based on what we saw at the end of this episode, what do you think?
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Feb. 13, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST
The only fault with Walking Dead is that it´s been adapted from a comic book so the intolerable geeks can shit on every scene.
by DarthMango
It´s a good show. Not perfect and even i must admit that some characters annoy me but it has zombies for cying out loud!! Do not take away my zombie-gore. Go watch Game of Thrones if you want realism!
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Feb. 13, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST
I am enjoying "Luck", but there are a few things that bother me...
by tritium
I think that the writer's are making the dialogue a little to "smart". And by smart, I don't mean the industry-specific lingo used in horse racing...which is admittedly pretty dense and obscure for an outsider like myself. No, I am talking about the regular dialogue and exchanges between some of the characters. A lot of it doesn't seem natural...but more "composed" for effect. I think they may be trying a bit too hard to make it sound "cool". Nevertheless, this is just a minor complaint. I find myself being drawn into the separate stories and character arcs. Very interesting. Dustin Hoffman and Dennis Farina are great in this show.
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The opening credits have more atmosphere than anything happening in this show anymore.
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You've shown grammatical weakness... the troll-sharks smell blood!
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Feb. 13, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST
I love the show. TWD is one of the few highlights of my TV watching.
by david_boreanez_cunt_hairz
Oh and that standoff in bar was badass!!
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Feb. 13, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST
Walking Dead felt like 10 minutes of plot stretched thinly over an hour.
by Prem1x
Indeed. This farm has killed the show.
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but, initially i missed that the guy went for his gun causing Rick to react. I thought Rick had just decided these guys were too big a threat and took them down proactively, which would have been even better... guess the showrunners want to keep Rick's arc gradual and not have him become so "dark" this soon - but hope they keep moving him in that direction
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Least he could have done is kept his shotgun on fat redneck while Rick and Philly-guy tensions were high.
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Feb. 13, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST
WHY ARE THERE NO FUCKING ZOMBIES ON A SHOW ABOUT ZOMBIES?
by The_Maltese_Vulcan
The Talking Dead indeed.
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Feb. 13, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST
Tritium about the "industry-specific lingo used in horse racing"
by Xiphos_2
don't worry too much about it, I have more then a passing familiarity with it due to working at track in High School and hanging around them some since and parts of it goes over my head. Most of it really doesn't add anything to the show except as some color and sense of realism. as long as you get the general idea of what they are doing you're fine.
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as he is an untrained 18-19 year old suburban kid that never had to us a firearm in that type of situation in his life before. He was in way over his head and facing a live, thinking and armed opponent is way different then facing a stupid, uncoordinated, unthinking and unarmed zombie
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Before I try and sit down to watch Luck. I hate horse racing, but I love gambling and love Hoffman. Not sure how well that combo will turn out but people seem to like the 2nd episode.
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I was struck by the juxtaposition of having the Philly guy use Rick's exact arguments to Hershel as justification for letting this new group join up with them. "Do you have any idea how bad it is out there? What we've seen? What we've had to do?" As Rick stood by defiantly refusing to capitulate, I kept waiting for Herschel to make some comment about Rick being unfazed by the same words Rick continuously throws at Herschel. I too have been a fan of the show from the start. I'm even willing to overlook the incredibly slow pace in order to enjoy some prize payoff moments every few episodes. But I cannot freaking believe they are still stuck at the farm and that nothing was done in this episode to get the main cast packing. In fact, half or more of the episode was the same crap of them sitting around waiting for something to happen. My other thoughts on threadbare motivations this week center on the newly introduced human group: 1) Why would the Philly boys even set up that confrontation? You're in a room with an armed man who says he is law enforcement. Why would you disarm yourself? If your intent was to shoot them anyway, why not just do it when you entered? They'd obviously already deduced that they had a hideout in the vicinity. 2) If they did not intend at the outset to kill, but got mad because of the unwillingness to let them join, why not just leave the bar and get their friends to come back with them instead of risking a gunfight with a trained shooter? Or hide out and then follow them back to the farm? 3) Agree wholeheartedly with others that Lori had no way of knowing that Rick wasn't on the way back already, or even just down the road. Her decision to leave was just an excuse to put her in peril for the next episode. And I can almost guarantee that we'll have at least 40 minutes of a walker trying to break into her car while she screams hysterically. Do I remember her putting a pistol onto the passenger seat? If so, it will conveniently be outside with the walkers through some contrived means. 4) Also agree that Herschel would have hurried back to the house if he found out his daughter was injured.
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Dale is the Jiminy Cricket of the group. What's lazy writing is that Rick knows Shane was with Lori and hasn't done anything about it. Your best friend sleeps with your wife and you shrug it off?
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...but I watch it every week religiously. If it doesn't get better next week, I'll give it one more week not to suck, then i'm done, unless I decide to give it one more week after that, but if it still sucks then I'm done for realzies , I mean it. You just wait. I'll show you AMC. ::shakes fist:: Then again, maybe I'll just keep watching it every week, even though it does suck, so I can come on here and complain how much it sucks. That'll really zing those pricks at AMC. I'm so awesome. ::High fives myself::
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That sanctimonious wimp.
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One is their "Lost" references and occasional guest stars. Another is the fun they have with trivial and throwaway stuff. For example, the name of Belle's father's flower business: Game of Thorns
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Feb. 13, 2012, 1:08 p.m. CST
TWD: Anyone else hear the iPhone go off in the bar scene?!
by Meeder Mow
..., praying one of those mindless freaks don't grab hold of you when you sleep
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Sorry about the above - used quotations and so my response was Fubar'ed. Was it just me or did anyone else hear a distinctly non-character iPhone/Mac based text message/email ping in when the new characters are talking of Fort Benning in the bar and the dialogue runs: ..., praying one of those mindless freaks don't grab hold of you when you sleep If you sleep - PING Feed the sound editor to the walkers!
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You lost me on that one - aside from the nudity, I mean, what is realistic about Game of Thrones? The Dragons, the White Walkers, the dead returning (hey - ZOMBIES!) to kill the living, or other unexplained issues? Don't get me wrong - Game of Thrones, season 1 totally rocked - love the show, looking forward to season 2 in April. And I agree that with you that the Zombie gore is a critical plus to TWD. But realism? Not so much.
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from earlier in the season. However, next week's is billed as the Season 1 Finale. I assume it takes place after the events of the supposed "last episode ever" from a few weeks ago.
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Can't wait to see Dennis Farina's character kick some ass. One of the coolest actors ever...remember watching him way back when he starred in Michael Mann's "Crime Story" television series. Crime Story also featured the great Stephen Lang as well and Ted Levine. Also loved Anthony Denison's portrayal of "Ray Luca". Whatever happened to Denison...he was a terrific actor? Seemed like he fell off the face of the Earth.
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Last night I gave 'TWD' one last chance not to suck. As I watched the episode, and the characters continued to routinely do idiotic things that indicated they didn't have an ounce of common sense between them (among many other problems) - I said to myself "I'm done with this show, once and for all". If I ever log onto this site, and complain about 'TWD' again - please call me on it. It's literally just a waste of 45 minutes. There are so many other good shows on tv, books to read, things to do - I can't justify spending 45 minutes a week on something that's so poorly written. Again, if I ever complain about this show - feel free to say: "I thought you said you've given up on this show?!!"
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has worked pretty steadily in TV he's currently on that awful show The Closer with Mrs Kevin Bacon.
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yep I heard it.
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D'ya think it belongs to one of the corpses and will be revealed to be of great relevance next week, or just a lazy show-runner ;)
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Wikipedia has the rest of the second season spelled out in quick synopsis', and up to the final episode in season 2.... ....it all still occurs at the farm! So for those hoping that they'll be getting out of the farm soon, it isn't happening at least this season. Personally I'm done with the show now. Too tired of that damn farm and the pointless stretched out episodes happening there. (Seriously, find any shot of someone talking at the farm and it will be difficult to guess which episode that scene is in...because ALL of the episodes were/are like that). Season 2 will go down as one of the least rewatched/purchased/downloaded seasons in history. There's absolutely no rewatchability to any of the episodes. Cost savings have now ruined everything related to this show.
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Feb. 13, 2012, 2:27 p.m. CST
Yes its totally ridiculous that Dale knows EXACTLY what happened with Otis. Yes the car flip was a groaner...
by dahveed1972
Yes its depressing that Daryl has now joined the list of characters that annoy and frustrate me. Yes they once again disposed of another interesting character played by a talented actor (in a pretty good scene tho). Yes I will continue to watch it. For now.
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Feb. 13, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST
I have no idea why people take it personally when you point out to them that the show they like so much isnt very good. No idea at all...
by dahveed1972
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the lori car accident??!?!?! miscarriage / stay at the farm for a couple more weeks rollover was ridiculous. The bar fight at the end was a great scene, despite the fact these two guys use their wits to survive all this time, only to lose all reason and attempt to shot rick..) if Shane is departing soon, i only hope he takes Daryl with him. Whiny , bitchy Daryl annoys the fuck out of me. old man the fuck up! Andrea all of sudden now rides in the back full of bodies and limbs. Fully Badass in 3 episodes. I totally expect her to use that severed arm as a dildo.
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jesus, when i stop remembering the characters names, i really don't care.
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LOL...Serves me right for not first checking IMDB!! Didn't realize Anthony Denison was still so active. I haven't seen him in anything in such a long time. Obviously, I don't watch "The Closer". Thanks for the correction.
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I love Navarro's comments on Talking Dead complaining about the farm, the lack of zombies and about spending another 6 weeks with someone in bed...this time Hershel's daughter. Too funny. You could see the Walking Dead producer squirm sitting next to him. Bet ya they don't invite Navarro back. The pricks. Seriously. People love the show...but i think the producers are just assuming fans will eat up whatever they serve. You can tell fans are getting a little restless. If the producers keep this up...fans are gonna turn against them. I love a dramatic character driven zombie series. It's cool. But if rumors of budget cutbacks and the reason they fired Frank Durabont are true...i am beginning to see them onscreen. I feel like Ian Malcom from Jurassic park complaining about there being no dinosaurs on the dino tour. Lol. Seriously. Keep the drama going...but throw some more zombies into the mix. I get the feeling that the buddies of the two rick shot will start attacking the farm....when the farm should be attacked by zombies. God i can't wait until they leave the farm and head out on the road again. Oh wait....that will cost money. Durp! At least give us more zombies! Oh wait...zombie make up costs money! Double durp! I am beginning to miss Frank's influence. Where is the sense of dread? Where is the zombie threat? This is turning into a zombie soap opera sans zombies.
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Otherwise, car crash zombie? WTF? Someone said it earlier, just when I think I'm going to let this missed opportunity go, they do 10 excellent minutes, and drag me back in again! There seems there are more car crash zombie, and well zombie rather than kickass beats like the bar. Schizo show.
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AMC’S “THE Walking Dead” MID-SEASON TWO PREMIERE REIGNS AS THE STRONGEST DRAMA TELECAST IN BASIC CABLE HISTORY AGAINST KEY DEMOS 8.1 MILLION VIEWERS 5.4 MILLION ADULTS 18-49 4.4 MILLION ADULTS 25-54
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Feb. 13, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST
I bet Daryl's brother is part of the group of the 2 Rick shot...
by Cinemajerk
Ricks group vs the group of the two Rick shot. I bet Daryl's brother is a part of that group tho. Bet ya. Which is fine I guess. But where are the zombies? All the characters are talking bout how tough it is out there...but where is the zombie threat? The first season was full of zombie menace and dread. It hung over the whole show. And there was plenty of zombie action. This season, we got one fat zombie in a well. A bunch of zombies in a barn. A zombie in a drug store. And a zombie hit by a car driven by a stupid woman. Some zombie apocalypse. Lol. Seriously tho....MORE ZOMBIES LESS TALK. Thats what I watch the post show for.
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But yes, total ugh to that stupid, stupid car crash. That whole storyline made zero sense. Girl goes into coma, Rick and Glen go into town to get Herschel. Girl is still in a coma, Rick's wife suddenly determines other people desperately need to go into town to get Herschel. What? On a different note, was anyone else thinking the two guys in the barn were scouts for the governor?
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They should be off the farm by now.
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and I have been calling it DownTOWN Abbey not realizing my mistake. Not like it makes a difference either way. Move along.
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1). Dale is psychic. 2). Daryl's career aspirations to own a florist shop will go unrealized 3). Carol I cannot believe this, has actually become even MORE WORTHLESS 4). Rick is finally making good decisions. Bout time!! As far as Laurie- yeah nothing new there. Still dumb. Still bitchy. Aside from the random flying zombie on the windshield, I actually thought the impatient rush to get into town was in character for her. I mean, she's used to getting others to run errands for her- for things SHE considers important. Now she cant use Glenn, and Darryl told her to get bent. So, what's a crazy, selfish, bitch supposed to do? That's right. Crash the car.
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Feb. 13, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST
Oh i am sure TWD will continue to do well ratings wise...
by Cinemajerk
But the producers shouldn't take that for granted. Navarro(who won't be invited back to the Talking Dead) voiced what many fans are beginning to feel. Not enough zombies, being stuck on the farm...and when he rolled his eyes and joked about hershel's daughter being sick by saying..."oh great! Another 6 weeks with someone sick in bed" LOL. Funny but true. I like many others will continue to watch. A dramatic zombie series is. Great fuckin idea. There are some great characters in TWD. But they are stretching out plot points waaaaaaay too much. And alot of the dialouge is getting repetitive. I was almost relieved when they shot Sophia in the head so we could FINALLY move on from the farm and open this sucker up to some real zombie survival action on the road again. All the character drama is pretty much set. If they don't bring things to a boil soon and get moving...expect the grumbling to continue. Navarro spoke the truth on the Talking Dead. They may not invite him back, but other die hard fans will start calling in and turning against the show more and more if they don't get things moving. Anyway...i will keep watching and be hopeful.
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AMC cuts the budget and everyone hates the show, yet it's rating just keep getting higher and higher. This is like the most brilliant marketing strategy in the history of TV, you complain and complain, yet more people watch. You can say the ratings will drop, but people said that after the S2 premiere, and the fact is that it's just not true. So.hahahahahaha
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After reading about the sacrifices that folks made on and off screen to make the show happen I am a little inclined to cut them some slack. The pacing and the farm environment doesn't bother me. Given if this were a real life situation and everywhere you went you had to fight for survival, would you be in a rush to leave the farm where it's been the safest place you encountered so far? I remember watching the movie "The Road" and wondering why they left the bomb shelter where they had everything they needed for survival (although the characters in TWD have it made as opposed to those folks).
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You're fat, you're bad, you're gay, you miss the entire point of the show. Once again, you're fat, you're bad, you're gay. Fatass Philly Phaggot thinks he's pro with his shotgun and gets a few to put his phat life down. That's you. Fat.
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The action scenes are good, the make-up/fx are great
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I mean, it's not at all deep, philosophical, ambiguous...nothing about it begs to be dissected. I've never watched the talk show, but WTF are they discussing??? I'm pretty sure a suit said, "The Talking Dead", to himself and thought it was so clever he just wouldn't let it go.
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Enjoy the next seven weeks: the search for Ricks wife and of course: The healing of Ricks wife :-P Otherwise, ok'ish episode I guess. Silly wifey, as usual. Just when you think, ah, this week she's taking it slow, I mean she has all her hygiene products by now, the kid's ok. Pfew, quick, she's not looking, let's have some cool sh... Oh! There she goes again! She should get bitten. Zombie baby for extra shock and ratings cannon.
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they introduce those two guys in the bar, with the fat one (Tony, of course!) unable to decide what kind of accent he wants to use.
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... holy fuckballs what a great episode. Herc stop pimping this trainwreck of a zombie show and start giving Once some more well deserved love.
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Feb. 13, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST
Herschel's Farm(or the only domicile in a 100 mile radius)
by BlackLodger
Yes the bar scene was the most "interesting" scene in a pile of shit....but still based on really horrible forced ideas put to paper...not quite as obvious as dale reading the script to know that shane killed Otis....which by the way, means NOTHING. Just something shitty for the writers to grab onto. why can't those two yankee yahoos just find another farm...or another split level or modular or condo or double wide or apt. complex, or ranch, or colonial....is the farm the only homestead left? Again we see FORCED DRAMA. Let's make everything seem really important and not get bogged down with reality....lori leaving carl alone after just giving rick shit for the same thing...now she's lost too. by the by, haters hate for no real good reason, just to be different. I have many real problems with this show that i could discuss in length without resorting to "ain't no fuckin' zombies".
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Feb. 13, 2012, 5:42 p.m. CST
They aren't leaving the farm this season, and the 2 guys he shot in the head are going to resurrect next week (depsite being shot directly in the head)
by E. D.
And LOL at trying to blame Darabont for this crap. Watch Season 1. Then tell me how a man with the artistry to direct that pace, variety and twists would just splat them on a farm for an entire season. SUre, he would have done an EP for thr farm, maybe a couple; but not this. Jesus christ, even Amy who was a well-liked, good adult actress had a death arc of what, the last 10 min of Vatos, then the first 10 min of the next EP last year (which was awesome and felt right for the impact it had)? And they give this little girl who has done nothing at all 12 EPs of plot basis? Kirkman and Mazarra have literally no idea how to make something like this happen. Every time either of them talks I stop listening. They don't have the creativity, pacing or directorial sense of Darabont's foreskin. And Navarro was being kind by limiting exactlky how far he went; he wanted to go further you could tell. He went up a lot on my integrity scale with those comments on TTD.
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I agree Once need a lot more attention from Herc here. Great stuff! I loved how they worked in Chip from the disney movie.
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Last night’s terrible excuse for an episode is the new champion of low ratings. Just 4.33 million people. Season 23 is now a lock to be the least watched season in the history of the show (at least until next season). The only question is how low it can go. Furthermore, it looks like even the Cleveland Show is beating faux Simpsons at this point.
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At most of you... for bitching and complaining while TWD keeps adding more viewers. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!! TMC will be fine once the 1% of you stop watching. No loss for them...
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There. I said it. :-P But it's da truth. Having No zombies in a zombie apocalypse IS a problem, and it only amplifies the growing inherent problems with the series second season so far. Darabonts directorial touch is definitely missing. Pace wise, the show has ground to a halt. Navarro was dead on in his criticisms of the shows second season. Fans are getting restless. AMC can only count on geek fanboy adulation so far....before the backlash begins. Before they go from saying BEST series EVER to WORST series EVER. Lol. If they don't get Darabont back for season 3....they better start listening to the growing chorus of grumbling coming from their fans. Cheers.
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How do you take the most successful series in cable history and then turn around and GUT the budget?
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Take the most succesful series in cab.e history and gut the budget. Nice job. Now instead of a sweepingly dramatic take on the zombie apocalypse we have a bunch of people stuck on a farm yelling at each other about zombies we don't see. LOL. Awesome.
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I've said it before, I now say it again. No S3 for TWD. Any eps filmed will only be seen if you purchase a future DVD set. How do I know this? Never you mind, it is what it is. But let's just say there are some crew ad writing staff being proactive in the employment field. To those of you who like this show, God bless. I have no intention of pissing on your parade, and whatever gets you through the day and all that. But consider that you may possibly be an apologist for something which never deserved your time to begin with. You may very well be better than that. Here's to hoping you find your voice.
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Seriously, yes the zombies are few and far between shit tons of talking, but so long as they have those random scenes of 5minute brilliance us geeks will continue to give this show our time. This maybe the most frustrating show of all time, because it's failing to live up to its true potential.
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Troll epic fail.
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Nope. I'm done with this show, once and for all. My interest declined precipitously throughout Season 2. Last night was the last chance to redeem itself. It's just not a good show. It's not "Torchwood: Miracle Day" bad, but it's not good. I can't wait around 2 or 3 seasons for the show to stop being terrible. I'm starting to think I may be saying the same thing about "Alcatraz" in the near future.
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I will remember to call you on it if i catch you here next week. Still, wish I was as strong as you.
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Nope, no trolling here. Like I said, I have said this in other TWD threads. Maybe you don't believe me, or you don't want to face the truth, but whateves. When the announcement comes, you man enough to come back and tell me I was right and apologize for being insultingly wrong? I'm not holding my breath, but prove me wrong boyo.
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Of course I will. But i will still rank on it too if it deserves it from time to time. I lost interest in LOST pretty quickly when i felt i was being manipulated and insulted as a viewer. I guessed the ending of LOST by the end of the first season, and just felt ZERO desire to keep watching. TWD is a much simpler premise. And I dig that. Zombies Apocalypse drama. Cool. I will keep watching TWD for as long as it holds my interest. There are some great characters and potential here...but i definitely feel the loss of Darabont at the helm. TWD is walking a thin line with me right now. More munchy munchy and less talky talky.
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16 episodes, writers have been at work on it, sets are being built, and filming will likely start in May.
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Feb. 13, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST
Seriously? People think that TWD hasn'y been greenlit/ won't continue?
by Cartagia
Last nights episode was the most watched thing in the HISTORY of cable. Of 8 million viewers. DOUBLE The Simpsons. Season 3 was greenlit after the first episode of season 2. You hate it more because it IS successful.
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Feb. 13, 2012, 9 p.m. CST
I like the show, don't love it, but I got to say Dale's conclusion leap and esp the car crash..Groan!
by MRJONZ72
With a show like this, where the zombie Apocalypse is the backdrop, you need interesting characters, but I only find Shane and Daryl truly interesting.. Rick and Glenn mildly (I found Glenn more interesting at the beginning of the series) and they do seem to stretch plot lines a little longer than they need to be. I don't know if its due to budget or what
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Just the dialogue surrounding it. Dale has been mistrustful of Shane since the beginning, and its honestly not *that* much of a leap, but the way he externalizes it is fucking awful. Also, car crash. Retarded.
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Feb. 13, 2012, 9:18 p.m. CST
Oh, well now that sadtruth has laid us some knowledge, let's all just stop watching
by Rex Carsalot
Moron.
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People keep saying the show has some great characters. Like who? Daryl is the only interesting person on the show, imo.
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You put it perfectly. I never read the comics and so I have no preconception about what it's going to be like. Those here that shit all over the show obviously watch it just to come here and do that. Sure it has some moments that are WTF and some characters not as well drawn as others, but it is a good show. If the haters\trolls had lives they'd just go watch something else and leave the rest of us alone.
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I find his truth to be... well... Sad. Shine on you crazy diamond!
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When Merle returns the show will become dangerous again and the storylines will justify the massive ratings.
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How much you wanna bet that Merle is part of the group of the two men that Rick shot. :-) They gotta reintroduce Merle by the end of the season...and with only 5 episodes left...makes sense that Merle would be part of this band of thugs. Just watch...
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Feb. 13, 2012, 11:26 p.m. CST
Because you have to have faith for this to work
by Nomoredirtyanything
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Feb. 13, 2012, 11:26 p.m. CST
Because You may be Wobert to your friends but your fly shit to me!
by Nomoredirtyanything
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can somebody please explain to me why they are so safe at the farm? you would think the place would be boarded up so walkers dont break in? the area seems free of walkers like theres a magical shield over the farm. am i missing something?? was this explained? i was willing to overlook this before but they dont seem to ever leave this location
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Lori is an idiot, prone to bitchiness and selfishness. She's not meant to be a genius. She is Lori, the hysterical pregnant woman under a ton of stress. She does what she does, from the heart. This isn't bad writing - they meant to do that. Good characters have flaws and sometimes do dumb things. it's called character development, and Lori is just doing what Lori does, same as all the others. Rick has a seriously dark character arc in the comics that's just beginning. This whole episode was about Hershel coming to grips with his own stupidity. The full dawning of his stupidity drove him to drink and almost give up on life. Like Rick said, he's in shock. That's good writing. I love the show, but I do want to see more zombies. I don't get why they're so safe on the farm. That needs to change. I think the opening montage of still images showing a world that's empty and devoid of life should be altered to include scattered zombies standing around everywhere, like the parking lot in the original Dawn of the Dead. There should be zombies wandering around town, not jumping out to surprise people, but just milling around the street. The show needs more zombies, but they're doing really good with the characters for now. I'll continue to watch and look forward to it as one of my favorite shows, and I'm optimistic that there will be lots more zombies in the future.
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I know people are upset with how Dale knows Shane killed Otis without really any evidence to draw him to that conclusion. But did you ever think that maybe Dale just doesn't like or trust Shane and wants to believe that is what happened and he just happens to be right? Also, didn't they explain that the reason the farm is safe is because it is surrounded by a muddy creek/river that the zombies get stuck in and why Otis would fish them out?
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...what the FUCK is so goddamn special about this farm that everyone is dying to get there? Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there hundreds or thousands of other recently-available farmhouses littering the landscape? Why do the Pittsburgh fellow need to find it so badly? Why does Rick's group need to stay there? Because Hershel's a DRUNK VETERINARIAN WHO IS SELF-ADMITTEDLY DELUSIONAL? I think I'd probably head out, find a public library, and do a little reading about how to deliver a baby. You know, people did it for a few thousand years before VETERINARIANS came on the scene. And, yes, Laurie's excursion made ZERO sense. It's not like Rick and Glenn had been gone for three days -- it was a couple hours, max. What the fuck. Seriously, this show hooked me straight-away, but I'm giving it a max of three more episodes. I the writer's can't get it together, I'm done with this nonsense.
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Okay, I'm done. I'm not like a mindless zombie, walking endlessly forward to no fucking destination in search of brains... I'm out.
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It happens... I have no problem with that writing. And as for "Olive Oil"... what would zombie (or the horror genre for that matter) be with REALLY STUPID CHARACTERS! Love the show! Best on TV while Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones are on hiatus.
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be *WITHOUT* really stupid characters I mean
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how come nobody has moved over to the next farm down the road? Then they wouldn't have to sleep in FUCKING TENTS(!) in the yard, they could have shit like walls and roofs....aye-yi-yi.
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She's bloody annoying, to the point of not being cast anymore, that's what. I was joking about the next eps being about her and the search for her. It doesn't look so funny anymore. Darabont must be pulling his hairs out. I could write better stuff. This was still ok'ish though, I guess the Sophia situation being FINALLY resolved still comforted the viewers which is why this episode feels better.
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Fuck you George Lucas.
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That's a cop out from the previous shoud she or should she not Abort.
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Feb. 14, 2012, 8:27 a.m. CST
I would glady forgo the Gore for one episode just to see Maggie nekid.
by Stalkeye
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There's enough potential to keep me invested, and it's not like Breaking Bad where I NEED to be in front of a TV Sunday at 10. I just watch onDemand on Monday or Tuesday. It's not an awful show, we all know that, and at times it's really entertaining. But unlike other shows I like a lot more, I often find myself multitasking during TWD...checking email, doing homework, etc. And of course there will be a season 3! How absurd for anyone to think otherwise. Also, Cartagia, most watched show in the history of cable? Even if you're excluding sports I would imagine that's not true, but NBA playoffs draw 10 million consistently, and Monday Night Football absolutely crushes everything.
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Was the best thing I've seen on TV in years. Fucking awesome.
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The ratings are higher than ever, Season 3 is already greenlit, this is all fact, not some crazy theory like Yours. Also, the ratings would have to drop so far for this show to be cancelled that it's almost impossible right now. The show is just insanely popular and will be AMC's biggest hit for a long time, it's better to accept it now.
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You people come here every fucking week to say how the show sucks, some of you say "I'm done" and yet are back the very next week to cry some more. Just admit you like the show and stop with all this stupid shit. If you truly hate the show, do all of us a favor and stop fucking watching it so we don't have to come into the same TB every week and read that same shit over and over and over. It's boring, and you are boring.
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I'm not against people complaining, it's open game, but it's almost the exact same thing every week with people. If you don't like the show, don't watch it, and if you wanna complain, try not to sound like everybody else who does. The talkbacks are getting so boring because it's like robots complaining every week, and doing it over and over and over. The energizer bunny watches this show or some shit.
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Feb. 14, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST
That final shootout scene was the worst of TWD hour - It made NO SENSE AT ALL
by gruntybear
I agree with Captain Mal above. As Rick and the Philadelphia strangers kept jawing on and on about whether they could come up to the farm, all I could think was: why the hell couldn't the Philadelphia people take up residence in a neighboring farm? What was so fucking special about Herschel's farm? And the only tension in that whole scene came from the soundtrack. I still don't understand why Rock shot the two. It made absolutely no sense. If "Rene Lenier" of Bon Temps was actually making a play for his weapon, it was way too fast for the scene. Who, in their right mind, makes a big show of setting a weapon on the bar, and then lurches forward to try to quick draw a confessed law man? JUST STUPID. STUPID. STUPID.
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Feb. 14, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST
Walking Dead, Still a million ties better than Falling Skys or Terra Nova.
by FreeBeer
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Its not perfect by any means but it's not as bad as people like to make out. Lori's car crash got a groan out me, and T-Dog and Carol are completely wasted characters but it's otherwise a solid show. That said if they stay on the farm for the whole season I will be more than a little peeved
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Feb. 14, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST
And I think the show will differ from the books, I have a feeling they're going to have Dale shoot Shane
by FreeBeer
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...Luck is actually very good. Pity these new talkbacks just bunch shows together from one evening, otherwise we'd get a bit more interesting chat about the real gems. Same with Homeland, one of Showtime's better offerings, which was drowned in the discussion of how fucking lame TWD is. Not wasting my time with it anymore. Anyway, Luck: befitting a horse racing drama, it is handsomely mounted, intriguingly paced and no one really knows how it'll finish. The cast is exceptional, script is Milch at his most musical and it's beautifully framed and edited. I'm in for the ride.
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Do you understand that we are complaining because we liked the show last season and it is just bad now. It has steadily gotten worse in season 2 to a such a crescendo that last week was almost unwatchable. In fact I turned it after the car wreck. We are pissed because it was great and now it sucks. Can you get that?
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Loved the comic and I'm a sucker for zombies. Plus Im a huge fan of Darabont's The Mist. And AMC's track record recently, and my expectations were sky high. Unrealistically so. The writing is the big problem here. But its also the easiest thing to fix. Im still hopeful, and i do find things to enjoy about the show. Thats where i stand.
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when shane was chewing out hershel about sophia being in the barn and hershel said, otis may have dumped her in there without us knowing.. I just thought, ha! a talk backer said that shit ages ago!
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for addressing the questions/concerns that some of the talk backers have been asking. Well played sir.
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Feb. 14, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST
The creator's said months ago that Otis put Sophia in there
by Cartagia
All the bits and pieces were there throughout the first half of the season- the doll in the river, etc. Shane just killed Otis before he even knew about Sophia.
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I don't get the public. I really don't. This show completely shows what the world would be like if there were Zombies. Not every single place on this fucking earth or in America would be populated heavily by Zombies. This show has shown us PLENTY of zombies and Zombie action so far. They're on a farm, in the wildnerness, where a handful of zombies have been seen/found - the group are holed up in a desperate situation with desperate people doing desperate things - it's sort of realistic don't you think? if the show had continous "left4dead/dead rising" style Zombie action - it would burn out fast. This show is slow burning and very good at the emotional beats it takes. My only critisism is that there are characters like T-Dog who don't get enough screen time and are severely underdeveloped to the point if they were to die next week - I couldn't care less. I haven't been given enough of the character to invest any feeling in so if the guy was to bite it, it wouldn't faze me in the slightest. I hope they leave the farm in the next few episodes and that we see the prison for the remainder of the season and much in season 3.
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This is hardly Heroes season 2, bitches. Daryl wasn't badass? It just wasn't his episode to shine, son! That's the way TV works. Each character gets a turn. Not enough zombies? Believe it or not, the talksy parts in-between the zombie action are the glue that holds everything together where the STORY can be found. Again, it's the way TV works. No one here can imagine a zombie show that is strong enough to endure without zombies from time to time? What, you think the zombie genre isn't compelling enough or capable of carrying a narrative adequately during stretches of zombie absence? I disagree. Andrea got all badass in the span of 3 episodes? More like all of season 2 before the hiatus. And, what... you would have her arc take LONGER to develop while simultaneously bitching that this show is DRAGGING?! Yeah, I think it's absurd to invest more time in a character like Herschel when we all know he's near the end of his arc. But then again, I know this is a continuing series. The WAY that TV WORKS. Dale is an annoying know-it-all. You guys are right about that one. But he's written as the wise mentor. All survival shows like this have one. Deal with it.
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Feb. 14, 2012, 6:47 p.m. CST
Asshole Lori Meme: LECTURES RICK ABOUT PUTTING HIMSELF IN UNNECESSARY DANGER...
by Prof. Pop-Cult
...GOES OUT DRIVING UNNECCESSARILY; SEVERELY WRECKS CAR
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T-Dog ain't been given much to do since he dropped the key & left Merle on that roof at the end of Season 1. You just know Merle is gonna show up at the end of this season. I bet he is part of the group that Rick shot two members of in that bar. I am guessing they follow them back to the farm, and we get our confrontation between Merle & T-Dog. Should be good.
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to The Walking Dead talkbacks. At first it was because, week after week, I just couldn't believe that it could actually get worse. I kept thinking that it had to improve, if for no other reason, because ONE decent writer was bound to get a couple ideas in, or a competent director would accidentally get a shot at an episode. It never happened, and I started to become fascinated by the consistent ineptitude (writing, acting, directing) on display. Now, for myself and my friends, the show has finally reached the point where it's sooo bad it's good. I mean, this show is good for at least half a dozen good belly laughs per episode. Whether it's the hysterical fake limping that led up to the Otis shooting (talk about a pathetic attempt at manufacturing nonexistent tension), or the way Andrea decided to prove her manhood by pointlessly firing a rifle directly through the guys who had things under control, or the way every line is delivered with either melodramatic schmaltz, or else with a growling grimace, nothing in between, it's a comedy goldmine. I'm not complaining about the show as much as I'm reveling in pointing out it's awfulness. Honestly, assuming it's popularity will keep it going for a while, I'm excited to see what kind of ridiculous inanity we'll be treated to in the future.
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They totally underutizilize their two best actors. Nolte's character is underwhelming so far.
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The is a great show, but it has made a few mistakes. Still, a lot of shows are not perfect, but are still very good. This show is well made, and hasn't ever been bad. You guys want perfection, and you are not always going to get it. I do agree that they should stick closers to the comic; there is still time to do that. I am enjoying this season, and looking forward to season three. Finally, most people seem to like it, so I'm happy that it doesn't depend on the naysayers!
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I have read so many complaints that are ridiculous. I'll give you Lori running out and wrecking the car. Even my wife and I groaned at that one. But a lot of the complaints I have read are because people are too impatient and aren't paying attention. The complaint about why they won't just find another farm? It's already been answered. But I guess people were too busy complaining and moaning about not having enough zombies and fast-forwarding through the "boring" dialogue that they missed it. In the scene where Maggie was trying to convince Hershel to let Rick's group stay at the farm, she said that the other farms were either burned out or overrun by walkers. I believe that was even when Hershel got upset that she used the term "walkers." It's all similar to the complaints about why Rick left Sophia. That question was asked multiple times, and Rick answered that he thought it was best. They were running, and he believe that it was best for her to hide, so that he could lead the walkers away. It was more difficult for him to run from the walkers and watch Sophia. In his mind, at that moment, he believed he was doing the right thing, and it probably was had she not ran off. Rick even had to deal with his decision. So it's not like it was dumb writing. It was question and explained right off the bat, and you got to see how that decision played out in the characters lives. So maybe everyone should stop complaining about the boring parts, and actually pay attention to them. Maybe you'll appreciate things more.
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1) Dr. Hershel Greene's blonde daughter is dying of zombie-bite fever. The boys find Hershel and, instead of rushing him back to the farm to treat her, decide to share a leisurely drink with him. So much to say about this one. When Rick and Glenn left, all they knew was that she was in some sort of shock. Rick was trying to be reasonable with Hershel (after all he's trying to get him to let them stay). There was no way that Rick knew that things were getting worse, so he had no reason to abandon all reason and drag Hershel (even if they could physically do it) out of the bar. They didn't have a leisurely drink. In fact, they weren't even in the bar that long before the Philly guys came in. It was only then that they poured a drink for the new people, giving Rick a chance to see who they were and what they wanted. They were possibly a new threat that was distracting and keeping them from the other situation. WTF? Hershel! I don't care how many you had! Your daughter collapsed. Can't you tell that he is in shock? He has held onto hope for so long that the sudden revelation that he was wrong has put him in a state of shock. A state where he has given up on all hope and feels that nothing he does is right. He had been wrong all along about how he has dealt with the situation and believes that he can't help his daughter, since his decisions is what put her in that state to begin with. You can't expect a person that has just been through what he has been through to be in the right mind. Plus it gave us a great arc for him, and set up the hopelessness that was to come with the stories from the Philly guys. Great writing, if you ask me. If they would have just went in and dragged him out of there, or if he would have simply ran out of the bar to go save his daughter (is it in fact his daughter or someone else? I wasn't really sure on that, anyway), then there would haven't been that dialogue showing how he has been affected. He would have simply been a two-dimensional character with no feelings. 2) When the daughter's fever gets worse, Lori decides to risk herself and her unborn baby to drive into town and tell Rick and Glen to hurry it up. Given the stakes, why would she assume Rick and Glen weren't already fetching Hershel at top speed? I'll give you that one. The one downside to this episode, but I'll go along with what some people have said and that it's just her character (like it or not). She was anxious and scared. She didn't want Rick running off because she didn't want to be alone. She was afraid something would happen to him and it was killing her not knowing. It was an instinct to her, albeit a stupid decision, to run after him. 3) Too much digging and loading and washing and pulling up weeds this week. I thought all that was great at showing the calm after the storm, so to speak. We got to see how the different characters are dealing with the situation. Andrea is becoming hard, not even caring about the feelings of those around her. She only wanted to bury Sophia out of respect for Carol, but the others she was just going to burn. But what about the family members of those on the farm that were in the barn? She also isn't afraid to be around the corpses anymore (remember when she was more innocent before her sister died?), even going as far as to pick up a fallen limb. And the question was raised, that brought again brought up the hopelessness and ominous tone of their situation, "How many more times are we going to have to do this?" made all the digging and loading bodies resonate more. Then we get Carol who's really having a tough time dealing with losing Sophia. Her pulling up the flowers (or weeds as you call it) was her way of dealing with her loss. Daryl had shown her that flower and it had given her hope, after she had already lost it. But finding out what really happened to Sophia, that flower was a reminder of the false hope she had given into. Then to come back, seemingly still in a state of shock, and see Shane washing her hands and seeing that he may have a heart after all, as he sees what his actions caused, even they were right. You could tell in that scene that he was struggling with his feelings.
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